{"content":{"0":"From: lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my thing)\nSubject: WHAT car is this!?\nNntp-Posting-Host: rac3.wam.umd.edu\nOrganization: University of Maryland, College Park\nLines: 15\n\n I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw\nthe other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s\/\nearly 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition,\nthe front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is \nall I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years\nof production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you\nhave on this funky looking car, please e-mail.\n\nThanks,\n- IL\n   ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ----\n\n\n\n\n","1":"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo)\nSubject: SI Clock Poll - Final Call\nSummary: Final call for SI clock reports\nKeywords: SI,acceleration,clock,upgrade\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1qvfo9INNc3s\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nA fair number of brave souls who upgraded their SI clock oscillator have\nshared their experiences for this poll. Please send a brief message detailing\nyour experiences with the procedure. Top speed attained, CPU rated speed,\nadd on cards and adapters, heat sinks, hour of usage per day, floppy disk\nfunctionality with 800 and 1.4 m floppies are especially requested.\n\nI will be summarizing in the next two days, so please add to the network\nknowledge base if you have done the clock upgrade and haven't answered this\npoll. Thanks.\n\nGuy Kuo <guykuo@u.washington.edu>\n","2":"From: twillis@ec.ecn.purdue.edu (Thomas E Willis)\nSubject: PB questions...\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 36\n\nwell folks, my mac plus finally gave up the ghost this weekend after\nstarting life as a 512k way back in 1985.  sooo, i'm in the market for a\nnew machine a bit sooner than i intended to be...\n\ni'm looking into picking up a powerbook 160 or maybe 180 and have a bunch\nof questions that (hopefully) somebody can answer:\n\n* does anybody know any dirt on when the next round of powerbook\nintroductions are expected?  i'd heard the 185c was supposed to make an\nappearence \"this summer\" but haven't heard anymore on it - and since i\ndon't have access to macleak, i was wondering if anybody out there had\nmore info...\n\n* has anybody heard rumors about price drops to the powerbook line like the\nones the duo's just went through recently?\n\n* what's the impression of the display on the 180?  i could probably swing\na 180 if i got the 80Mb disk rather than the 120, but i don't really have\na feel for how much \"better\" the display is (yea, it looks great in the\nstore, but is that all \"wow\" or is it really that good?).  could i solicit\nsome opinions of people who use the 160 and 180 day-to-day on if its worth\ntaking the disk size and money hit to get the active display?  (i realize\nthis is a real subjective question, but i've only played around with the\nmachines in a computer store breifly and figured the opinions of somebody\nwho actually uses the machine daily might prove helpful).\n\n* how well does hellcats perform?  ;)\n\nthanks a bunch in advance for any info - if you could email, i'll post a\nsummary (news reading time is at a premium with finals just around the\ncorner... :( )\n--\nTom Willis  \\  twillis@ecn.purdue.edu    \\    Purdue Electrical Engineering\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.\"  - F. W.\nNietzsche\n","3":"From: jgreen@amber (Joe Green)\nSubject: Re: Weitek P9000 ?\nOrganization: Harris Computer Systems Division\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nRobert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP) wrote:\n> abraxis@iastate.edu writes in article <abraxis.734340159@class1.iastate.edu>:\n> > Anyone know about the Weitek P9000 graphics chip?\n> As far as the low-level stuff goes, it looks pretty nice.  It's got this\n> quadrilateral fill command that requires just the four points.\n\nDo you have Weitek's address\/phone number?  I'd like to get some information\nabout this chip.\n\n--\nJoe Green\t\t\t\tHarris Corporation\njgreen@csd.harris.com\t\t\tComputer Systems Division\n\"The only thing that really scares me is a person with no sense of humor.\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t-- Jonathan Winters\n","4":"From: jcm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell)\nSubject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question\nOrganization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA,  USA\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 23\n\nFrom article <C5owCB.n3p@world.std.com>, by tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker):\n>>In article <C5JLwx.4H9.1@cs.cmu.edu>, ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes...\n>>>\"Clear caution & warning memory.  Verify no unexpected\n>>>errors. ...\".  I am wondering what an \"expected error\" might\n>>>be.  Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but\n> \n> Parity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered.\n>    \"Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it\"\n> I'd be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is.\n> \n> tom\n\n\nMy understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically\nknown bugs in the warning system software - things are checked\nthat don't have the right values in yet because they aren't\nset till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code\nand possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew\n'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'.\n\n - Jonathan\n\n\n","5":"From: dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas)\nSubject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas)\nOrganization: VTT\nLines: 58\n\nIn article <1r1eu1$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.083057.16899@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:\n>> In article <1qv87v$4j3@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>> >In article <C5n3GI.F8F@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes:\n>\n>> >> The massive destructive power of many modern weapons, makes the\n>> >> cost of an accidental or crimial usage of these weapons to great.\n>> >> The weapons of mass destruction need to be in the control of\n>> >> the government only.  Individual access would result in the\n>> >> needless deaths of millions.  This makes the right of the people\n>> >> to keep and bear many modern weapons non-existant.\n\n>> >Thanks for stating where you're coming from.  Needless to say, I\n>> >disagree on every count.\n\n>> You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of\n>> mass destruction?  I find it hard to believe that you would support a \n>> neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve\n>> gas on his\/her property.  \n\n>> If we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of\n>> the hands of individuals, can there be any hope for us?\n\n>I don't sign any blank checks.\n\nOf course.  The term must be rigidly defined in any bill.\n\n>When Doug Foxvog says \"weapons of mass destruction,\" he means CBW and\n>nukes.  When Sarah Brady says \"weapons of mass destruction\" she means\n>Street Sweeper shotguns and semi-automatic SKS rifles.  \n\nI doubt she uses this term for that.  You are using a quote allegedly\nfrom her, can you back it up?\n\n>When John\n>Lawrence Rutledge says \"weapons of mass destruction,\" and then immediately\n>follows it with:\n\n>>> The US has thousands of people killed each year by handguns,\n>>> this number can easily be reduced by putting reasonable restrictions\n>>> on them.\n\n>...what does Rutledge mean by the term?\n\nI read the article as presenting first an argument about weapons of mass\ndestruction (as commonly understood) and then switching to other topics.\nThe first point evidently was to show that not all weapons should be\nallowed, and then the later analysis was, given this understanding, to\nconsider another class.\n\n>cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\n>OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n\n\n-- \ndoug foxvog\ndouglas.foxvog@vtt.fi\n","6":"From: bmdelane@quads.uchicago.edu (brian manning delaney)\nSubject: Brain Tumor Treatment (thanks)\nReply-To: bmdelane@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 12\n\nThere were a few people who responded to my request for info on\ntreatment for astrocytomas through email, whom I couldn't thank\ndirectly because of mail-bouncing probs (Sean, Debra, and Sharon).  So\nI thought I'd publicly thank everyone.\n\nThanks! \n\n(I'm sure glad I accidentally hit \"rn\" instead of \"rm\" when I was\ntrying to delete a file last September. \"Hmmm... 'News?' What's\nthis?\"....)\n\n-Brian\n","7":"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM\nLines: 44\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu\n\nDXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:\n>In article <1qlbrlINN7rk@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) says:\n>>In PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 \"Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI,\n>>20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has   \n>>long been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches.\"\n                                                                      \n>I love it when magazine writers make stupid statements like that re:      \n>performance. Where do they get those numbers? I'll list the actual\n>performance ranges, which should convince anyone that such a               \n>statement is absurd:                                                     \n>SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB\/s.                                                \n>SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB\/s.            \n>IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB\/s.                          \n>ESDI is always 1.25MB\/s (although there are some non-standard versions)\nALL this shows is that YOU don't know much about SCSI.\n\nSCSI-1 {with a SCSI-1 controler chip} range is indeed 0-5MB\/s\nand that is ALL you have right about SCSI\nSCSI-1 {With a SCSI-2 controller chip}: 4-6MB\/s with 10MB\/s burst {8-bit}\n Note the INCREASE in SPEED, the Mac Quadra uses this version of SCSI-1\n so it DOES exist. Some PC use this set up too.\nSCSI-2 {8-bit\/SCSI-1 mode}:          4-6MB\/s with 10MB\/s burst\nSCSI-2 {16-bit\/wide or fast mode}:  8-12MB\/s with 20MB\/s burst\nSCSI-2 {32-bit\/wide AND fast}:     15-20MB\/s with 40MB\/s burst\n \nBy your OWN data the \"Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI\" is correct\nWith a SCSI-2 controller chip SCSI-1 can reach 10MB\/s which is indeed\n\"20% faster than IDE\" {120% of 8.3 is 9.96}. ALL these SCSI facts have been\nposted to this newsgroup in my Mac & IBM info sheet {available by FTP on \nsumex-aim.stanford.edu (36.44.0.6) in the info-mac\/report as \nmac-ibm-compare[version #].txt (It should be 173 but 161 may still be there)}\n\nPart of this problem is both Mac and IBM PC are inconsiant about what SCSI\nis which.  Though it is WELL documented that the Quadra has a SCSI-2 chip\nan Apple salesperson said \"it uses a fast SCSI-1 chip\" {Not at a 6MB\/s,\n10MB\/s burst it does not. SCSI-1 is 5MB\/s maximum synchronous and Quadra\nuses ANsynchronous SCSI which is SLOWER}  It seems that Mac and IBM see\nSCSI-1 interface and think 'SCSI-1' when it maybe a SCSI-1 interface driven\nin the machine by a SCSi-2 controller chip in 8-bit mode {Which is MUCH\nFASTER then true SCSI-1 can go}.\n\nDon't slam an article because you don't understand what is going on.\nOne reference for the Quadra's SCSI-2 controller chip is \n(Digital Review, Oct 21, 1991 v8 n33 p8(1)).\n","8":"From: holmes7000@iscsvax.uni.edu\nSubject: WIn 3.0 ICON HELP PLEASE!\nOrganization: University of Northern Iowa\nLines: 10\n\nI have win 3.0 and downloaded several icons and BMP's but I can't figure out\nhow to change the \"wallpaper\" or use the icons.  Any help would be appreciated.\n\n\nThanx,\n\n-Brando\n\nPS Please E-mail me\n\n","9":"From: kerr@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stan Kerr)\nSubject: Re: Sigma Designs Double up??\nArticle-I.D.: ux1.C52u8x.B62\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 29\n\njap10@po.CWRU.Edu (Joseph A. Pellettiere) writes:\n\n\n>\tI am looking for any information about the Sigma Designs\n>\tdouble up board.  All I can figure out is that it is a\n>\thardware compression board that works with AutoDoubler, but\n>\tI am not sure about this.  Also how much would one cost?\n\nI've had the board for over a year, and it does work with Diskdoubler,\nbut not with Autodoubler, due to a licensing problem with Stac Technologies,\nthe owners of the board's compression technology. (I'm writing this\nfrom memory; I've lost the reference. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)\n\nUsing the board, I've had problems with file icons being lost, but it's\nhard to say whether it's the board's fault or something else; however,\nif I decompress the troubled file and recompress it without the board,\nthe icon usually reappears. Because of the above mentioned licensing\nproblem, the freeware expansion utility DD Expand will not decompress\na board-compressed file unless you have the board installed.\n\nSince Stac has its own product now, it seems unlikely that the holes\nin Autodoubler\/Diskdoubler related to the board will be fixed.\nWhich is sad, and makes me very reluctant to buy Stac's product since\nthey're being so stinky. (But hey, that's competition.)\n-- \n\nStan Kerr    \nComputing & Communications Services Office, U of Illinois\/Urbana\nPhone: 217-333-5217  Email: stankerr@uiuc.edu   \n","10":"From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)\nSubject: Re: Recommendation on Duc\nSummary: What's it worth?\nDistribution: usa\nExpires: Sat, 1 May 1993 05:00:00 GMT\nOrganization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX\nKeywords: Ducati, GTS, How much? \nLines: 13\n\nI have a line on a Ducati 900GTS 1978 model with 17k on the clock.  Runs\nvery well, paint is the bronze\/brown\/orange faded out, leaks a bit of oil\nand pops out of 1st with hard accel.  The shop will fix trans and oil \nleak.  They sold the bike to the 1 and only owner.  They want $3495, and\nI am thinking more like $3K.  Any opinions out there?  Please email me.\nThanks.  It would be a nice stable mate to the Beemer.  Then I'll get\na jap bike and call myself Axis Motors!\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"Tuba\" (Irwin)      \"I honk therefore I am\"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx\nirwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75\/6)\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n","11":"From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold)\nSubject: Re: Question for those with popular morality\nReply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England\nLines: 77\nNntp-Posting-Host: bangkok\n\nIn article 17570@freenet.carleton.ca, ad354@Freenet.carleton.ca (James Owens) writes:\n>\n>In a previous article, david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold) says:\n>\n>>\n>>I don't mean to be rude, but I think that you've got hold of the wrong\n>>end of a different stick...\n>>\n>>David\n>\n>I had a look at your posting again and I see what you mean!  I was so\n>intent on explaining how Jung thought we could be more moral than God that\n>I overlooked your main line of thought.\n>\n>You seem to be saying that, God being unknowable, His morality is unknowable.\n\nYep, that's pretty much it. I'm not a Jew but I understand that this is the\nJewish way of thinking. However, the Jews believe that the Covenant between\nYHWH and the Patriarchs (Abraham and Moses, in this case) establishes a Moral\nCode to follow for mankind. Even the Jews could not decide where the boundaries\nfall, though.\n\nAs I understand it, the Sadducees believed that the Torah was all that was\nrequired, whereas the Pharisees (the ancestors of modern Judaism) believed that\nthe Torah was available for interpretation to lead to an understanding of\nthe required Morality in all its nuances (->Talmud).\n\nThe essence of all of this is that Biblical Morality is an interface between\nMan and YHWH (for a Jew or Christian) and does not necessarily indicate\nanything about YHWH outside of that relationship (although one can speculate).\n\n>\n>The first thing that comes to mind is that man is supposed to be created\n>in His image, so there is an argument that we are committed to whatever\n>moral code He follows as part of trying to live up to that image.  If we\n>are supposed to live by Christ's example, you would be hard pressed to\n>argue that God is a \"do what I say, not what I do\" kind of guy.\n\nThe trouble with all of this is that we don't really know what the \"created\nin His image\" means. I've heard a number of different opinions on this and\nhave still not come to any conclusion. This rather upsets the Apple Cart if\none wants to base a Life Script on this shaky foundation (to mix metaphors\nunashamedly!) As to living by Christ's example, we know very little about\nJesus as a person. We only have his recorded utterances in a set of narratives\nby his followers, and some very small references from comtemporary historians.\nRevelation aside, one can only \"know\" Christ second-hand or worse.\n\nThis is not an attempt to debunk Christianity (although it may seem that way\ninitially), the point I`m trying to make is that we only really have the Bible\nto interpret, and that interpretation is by humanity. I guess this is where\nFaith or Relevation comes in with all its inherent subjectiveness.\n\n>\n>Metaphysically, if there are multiple moral codes then there is no\n>Absolute moral code, and I think this is theologically questionable.\n\nNo. There may be an absolute moral code. There are undoubtably multiple\nmoral codes. The multiple moral codes may be founded in the absolute moral\ncode. As an example, a parent may tell a child never to swear, and the child\nmay assume that the parent never swears simply because the parent has told\nthe child that it is \"wrong\". Now, the parent may swear like a trooper in\nthe pub or bar (where there are no children). The \"wrongness\" here is if\nthe child disobeys the parent. The parent may feel that it is \"inappropriate\"\nto swear in front of children but may be quite happy to swear in front of\nanimals. The analogy does not quite hold water because the child knows that\nhe is of the same type as the parent (and may be a parent later in life) but\nyou get the gist of it? Incidentally, the young child considers the directive\nas absolute until he gets older (see Piaget) and learns a morality of his own.\n\nDavid.\n\n---\nOn religion:\n\n\"Oh, where is the sea?\", the fishes cried,\nAs they swam its clearness through.\n\n","12":"From: rodc@fc.hp.com (Rod Cerkoney)\nSubject: *$G4qxF,fekVH6\nNntp-Posting-Host: hpfcmrc.fc.hp.com\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard, Fort Collins, CO\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5]\nLines: 15\n\n\n\n--\n\n\nRegards,\nRod Cerkoney\n                                                        \/\\\n______________________________________________         \/~~\\\n                                                      \/    \\\n  Rod Cerkoney MS 37     email:                      \/      \\ \n  Hewlett Packard         rodc@fc.hp.com        \/\\  \/        \\  \n  3404 East Harmony Rd.  Hpdesk:               \/  \\\/          \\    \/\\\n  Fort Collins, CO 80525  HP4000\/UX           \/    \\           \\  \/  \\\n_____________________________________________\/      \\           \\\/    \\__\n","13":"From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock)\nSubject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4\nOrganization: NASA Lewis Research Center \/ Cleveland, Ohio\nLines: 102\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <1993Apr23.184732.1105@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes...\n\n   {Description of \"External Tank\" option for SSF redesign deleted}\n\n>Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea's committee in Crystal City,\n>and he reports that he was warmly received.  However, the rumors\n>I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter\n>seems more likely.\n\nYo Ken, let's keep on-top of things! Both the \"External Tank\" and\n\"Wingless Orbiter\" options have been deleted from the SSF redesign\noptions list. Today's (4\/23) edition of the New York Times reports\nthat O'Connor told the panel that some redesign proposals have\nbeen dropped, such as using the \"giant external fuel tanks used\nin launching space shuttles,\" and building a \"station around\nan existing space shuttle with its wings and tail removed.\"\n\nCurrently, there are three options being considered, as presented\nto the advisory panel meeting yesterday (and as reported in\ntoday's Times).\n\nOption \"A\" - Low Cost Modular Approach\nThis option is being studied by a team from MSFC. {As an aside,\nthere are SSF redesign teams at MSFC, JSC, and LaRC supporting\nthe SRT (Station Redesign Team) in Crystal City. Both LeRC and\nReston folks are also on-site at these locations, helping the respective\nteams with their redesign activities.} Key features of this\noption are:\n  -  Uses \"Bus-1\", a modular bus developed by Lockheed that's\n     qualified for STS and ELV's. The bus provides propulsion, GN&C\n     Communications, & Data Management. Lockheed developed this\n     for the Air Force.\n  -  A \"Power Station Capability\" is obtained in 3 Shuttle Flights.\n     SSF Solar arrays are used to provide 20 kW of power. The vehicle\n     flies in an \"arrow mode\" to optimize the microgravity environment.\n     Shuttle\/Spacelab missions would utilize the vehilce as a power\n     source for 30 day missions.\n  -  Human tended capability (as opposed to the old SSF sexist term\n     of man-tended capability) is achieved by the addition of the\n     US Common module. This is a modified version of the existing\n     SSF Lab module (docking ports are added for the International\n     Partners' labs, taking the place of the nodes on SSF). The\n     Shuttle can be docked to the station for 60 day missions.\n     The Orbiter would provide crew habitability & EVA capability.\n  -  International Human Tended. Add the NASDA & ESA modules, and\n     add another 20 kW of power\n  -  Permanent Human Presence Capability. Add a 3rd power module,\n     the U.S. habitation module, and an ACRV (Assured Crew Return\n     Vehicle).\n\nOption \"B\" - Space Station Freedom Derived\nThe Option \"B\" team is based at LaRC, and is lead by Mike Griffin.\nThis option looks alot like the existing SSF design, which we\nhave all come to know and love :)\n\nThis option assumes a lightweight external tank is available for\nuse on all SSF assembly flights (so does option \"A\"). Also, the \nnumber of flights is computed for a 51.6 inclination orbit,\nfor both options \"A\" and \"B\".\n\nThe build-up occurs in six phases:\n  -  Initial Research Capability reached after 3 flights. Power\n     is transferred from the vehicle to the Orbiter\/Spacelab, when\n     it visits.\n  -  Man-Tended Capability (Griffin has not yet adopted non-sexist\n     language) is achieved after 8 flights. The U.S. Lab is\n     deployed, and 1 solar power module provides 20 kW of power.\n  -  Permanent Human Presence Capability occurs after 10 flights, by\n     keeping one Orbiter on-orbit to use as an ACRV (so sometimes\n     there would be two Orbiters on-orbit - the ACRV, and the\n     second one that comes up for Logistics & Re-supply).\n  -  A \"Two Fault Tolerance Capability\" is achieved after 14 flights,\n     with the addition of a 2nd power module, another thermal\n     control system radiator, and more propulsion modules.\n  -  After 20 flights, the Internationals are on-board. More power,\n     the Habitation module, and an ACRV are added to finish the\n     assembly in 24 flights.\n\nMost of the systems currently on SSF are used as-is in this option, \nwith the exception of the data management system, which has major\nchanges.\n\nOption C - Single Core Launch Station.\nThis is the JSC lead option. Basically, you take a 23 ft diameter\ncylinder that's 92 ft long, slap 3 Space Shuttle Main Engines on\nthe backside, put a nose cone on the top, attached it to a \nregular shuttle external tank and a regular set of solid rocket\nmotors, and launch the can. Some key features are:\n  - Complete end-to-end ground integration and checkout\n  - 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels\n  - body mounted radiators (which adds protection against\n    micrometeroid & orbital debris)\n  - 2 centerline docking ports (one on each end)\n  - 7 berthing ports\n  - a single pressurized volume, approximately 26,000 cubic feet\n    (twice the volume of skylab).\n  - 7 floors, center passageway between floors\n  - 10 kW of housekeeping power\n  - graceful degradation with failures (8 power channels, 4 thermal\n    loops, dual environmental control & life support system)\n  - increased crew time for utilization\n  - 1 micro-g thru out the core module\n","14":"From: jllee@acsu.buffalo.edu (Johnny L Lee)\nSubject: RE:  == MOVING SALE ===\nSummary: RE:  === MOVING SALE ===\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 44\nNntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu\n\nReduced Prices! \nI have a list of things forsale on behalf of my brother, who's moving (moved\nalready)\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tOffer:\n1) Black and Decker Duster Plus (Portable Hand Vaccum)\t\n \tpurchased for $32, \t\t\t\t\t  $12\n\n2) SR-1000 Dual Cassette Portable Player, AM\/FM\n5-Band graphics Equalizer, high speed dubing, Duo \nTape.Tape deck A, seems to have lost treble sound. \nBut, I bet  it's fixable.\n\tpurchased for $80\t\t\t\t\t  $25\n\n3)Monolux Zoom MicroScope, up to 1200X magnification\nMade in Japan, includes case and accessories\n\tpurchased for $50\t\t\t\t\t  $20\n\n4)Sunbeam 1400 Hair Dryer, the dryer you put your \nhead under\/into. You know, the ones you see in the salons.\n(Don't ask me why my bro had it)\n\tpurchased for $60\t\t\t\t          $24\n\n5)Everylast Speed Bag, all leather. Brand new, never \nused\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t  $10\n\n6)Osterizer Pusle Matic Blender, with 10 speeds \nand a cookbook, 5 years old\t\t\t\t\t  $10\n\tpurchased for $50\n\n8)Binolux Binoculars . 7x35, extra wide angle\n525ft. at 1000yds. with case. very new.\t\t                  $20\n\n9)Proctor and Silex Spray,Steam and Dry Iron.\nvery new.\t\t\t\t\t\t\t  $10\n\n\nAny questions, contact me thru e-mail and I will reply expeditously\nAnd always, S+H are not included, so please consider this.\n\nAnd lastly, I'm a very reasonable.Very Reasonable.\n\n\t\t\t\t\tThanks,\n\t\t\t\t\t\tJohn\n","15":"From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\nLines: 22\n\nkmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n> ( I am almost sure that Zyklon-B is immediate and painless method of \n> death. If not, insert soem other form. )\n> \n>         And, ethnic and minority groups have been killed, mutilated and \n> exterminated through out history, so I guess it was not unusual.\n> \n>         So, you would agree that the holocost would be allowed under the US \n> Constitution?  [ in so far, the punishment. I doubt they recieved what would \n> be considered a \"fair\" trial by US standards.\n\nDon't be so sure.  Look what happened to Japanese citizens in the US during\nWorld War II.  If you're prepared to say \"Let's round these people up and\nstick them in a concentration camp without trial\", it's only a short step to\ngassing them without trial.  After all, it seems that the Nazis originally\nonly intended to imprison the Jews; the Final Solution was dreamt up partly\nbecause they couldn't afford to run the camps because of the devastation\ncaused by Goering's Total War.  Those who weren't gassed generally died of\nmalnutrition or disease.\n\n\nmathew\n","16":"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)\nSubject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42\nOrganization: Purdue University\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <prestonm.735400848@cs.man.ac.uk> prestonm@cs.man.ac.uk (Martin  \nPreston) writes:\n> Why not use the PD C library for reading\/writing TIFF files? It took me a\n> good 20 minutes to start using them in your own app.\n\nI certainly do use it whenever I have to do TIFF, and it usually works\nvery well.  That's not my point.  I'm >philosophically< opposed to it\nbecause of its complexity.\n\nThis complexity has led to some programs' poor TIFF writers making\nsome very bizarre files, other programs' inability to load TIFF\nimages (though they'll save them, of course), and a general\ninability to interchange images between different environments\ndespite the fact they all think they understand TIFF.\n\nAs the saying goes, \"It's not me I'm worried about- it's all the\n>other<  assholes out there!\"  I've had big trouble with misuse and\nabuse of TIFF over the years, and I chalk it all up to the immense (and\nunnecessary) complexity of the format.\n\nIn the words of the TIFF 5.0 spec, Appendix G, page G-1 (capitalized\nemphasis mine):\n\n\"The only problem with this sort of success is that TIFF was designed\nto be powerful and flexible, at the expense of simplicity.  It takes a\nfair amount of effort to handle all the options currently defined in\nthis specification (PROBABLY NO APPLICATION DOES A COMPLETE JOB),\nand that is currently the only way you can be >sure< that you will be\nable to import any TIFF image, since there are so many\nimage-generating applications out there now.\"\n\n\nIf a program (or worse all applications) can't read >every< TIFF\nimage, that means there are some it won't- some that I might have to\ndeal with.  Why would I want my images to be trapped in that format?  I\ndon't and neither should anyone who agrees with my reasoning- not\nthat anyone does, of course! :-)\n\nab\n","17":"From: CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker)\nSubject: Insurance Rates on Performance Cars SUMMARY\nOrganization: Louisiana Tech University\nLines: 244\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vm.cc.latech.edu\nX-Newsreader: NNR\/VM S_1.3.2\n\n     I recently posted an article asking what kind of rates single, male\ndrivers under 25 yrs old were paying on performance cars. Here's a summary of\nthe replies I received.\n \n \n \n \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n \nI'm not under 25 anymore (but is 27 close enough).\n \n1992 Dodge Stealth RT\/Twin Turbo (300hp model).\nNo tickets, no accidents, own a house, have taken defensive driving 1,\nairbag, abs, security alarm, single.\n \n$1500\/year  $500 decut. State Farm Insurance (this includes the additional $100\nfor the $1,000,000 umbrella policy over my car and house)  The base\npolicy is the standard $100,000 - $100,000 - $300,000 policy required in DE.\n \nAfter 2nd defensive driving course it will be 5% less.\n \nI bought the car in September 1992.  The company I was with (never had\nand accident or ticket in 11 years) quoted me $2,500.\n \nHope this helps.\n \nSteve Flynn\nUniversity of Delaware\n======================================================================== 45\n \n    Kevin:\n \n    (Hope I remembered your name correctly)...\n \n    You asked about insurance for performance cars.  Well, last year\n    I was in a similar situation before I bought my car, and made the\n    same inquiry as you.\n \n    Age: 24 (then and now)\n    Car: 1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD\n    Driving Record: Clean\n    State: Illinois\n    Cost: $820\/6 mos.\n \n    I turn 25 in May and the insurance goes down to $520\/6 mos.\n    Also, I'm single and that incurs a higher rate with my company.\n \n    I've got a couple other friends w\/ AWDs and they pay more\n    than I do (different ins. companies also), so maybe I'm just lucky.\n \n    Hope the info helps.\n \n    Dan\n    [dans@jdc.gss.mot.com]\n    Motorola Cellular Subscriber Group\n \n======================================================================== 38\n USA\nCc:\n \nI'm 23; live in Norman, Oklahoma; drive an '89 Thunderbird SC; have\nnever made a claim against my insurance (though I have been hit\nseveral times by negligent drivers who couldn't see stop signs or\nwere fiddling with their radios); and I have had three moving violations\nin the last 18 months (one for going 85 in a 55; one for \"failure to\nclear an intersection\" (I still say the damn light was yellow); and\none for going 35 in a 25 (which didn't go on my record)). My rates\nfrom State Farm (with a passive restraint deduction) on liability,\n$500 deductible comprehensive, and $500 deductible collision are\nroughly $1300\/year. (I was paying just over $1100\/year for a '92 Escort LX.)\n \n\t\t\t\tJames\n \nJames P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center\nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   \/\\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu\nDISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC\n   \"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has\n\tand all he's ever gonna have.\"\n\t\t\t--Will Munny, \"Unforgiven\"\n======================================================================== 61\n \nI am beyond the \"under 25\" age group, but I have an experience a few\nyears ago that might be interesting to you.  I owned a 1985 Toyota Celica\nGT.  I decided to buy myself a gift - a more exotic car.  Front runners\nincluded the Toyota Supra Turbo and the Porsche 924 (1987 model years).\nI narrowed it down to those two.  I liked the simplicity and handling\n(and snob appeal, too) of driving a Porsche.  The Supra Turbo was less\nmoney and had more features and performance - almost a personal luxury\ncar.  It had better acceleration and a higher top speed than the 924.\nI was almost ready to give in to a buying impulse for the 924, but i\ndecided to stop by my insurance agent's office on the way.  I asked\nabout what would happen to my rate with either car.\n \n\"If you buy the Supra, your rate classification will be the same as\nthe Celica (the '85 Celica was considered a subcompact and for that\nyear was rated as one of the safest cars), with a slight increase because\nthe car will be 2 years newer.  Our lower-risk division will continue\nto handle your account.\n \n\"If you buy the Porsche 924, we'll have to change you to the standard\n[higher] rate company and your rate will double.  And if you go with\na 944, it's another story again - we'll cover the rest of this year,\nbut cancel you after that.\"\n \n\"But the Supra is much faster than the 924, and the 924 is actually\nfaster than the [standard] 944.  That doens't make sense.\"\n \n That's what the book says.  We don't insure Corvettes, either.  For\nsome reason, the underwriters consider Supras - and their drivers -\nas very traditional and conservative.\"\n \nI eventually went with the Supra for a number of reasons.  The Porsche\ndealer had a nice salesman to get me interested, but a tough high-pressure\nguy in the back room.  At equal monthly payments, it would have taken\na year longer to pay for the Porsche, plus its higher insurance.  I\nconcluded that the high insurance was related to probability of auto\ntheft.\n \n   \/|\/| \/||)|\/  \/~ \/\\| |\\|)[~|)\/~   |   Everyone's entitled to MY opinion.\n  \/ | |\/ ||\\|\\  \\_|\\\/|_|\/|)[_|\\\\_|  |      goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil\n========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======\n \n \n \n \n \n======================================================================== 32\n \nI live in Idaho.  When I was <26 many years ago (10 years) I bought a Trans\nAm (new).  Insurance was about $1300\/year.  When I turned 26, it immediately\ndropped to $460\/year.  I had not had any accidents before or after, this was\nstrictly an age change.  That same rate stayed pretty much the same until I\nsold the car 2 years ago.  My F-150 pickup is about $80\/year less.\n \nThe real amazing thing is that when I woke up at age 25, I felt SO MUCH MORE\nRESPONSIBLE than I was before...  :-)\n \nWes\n \n======================================================================== 21\n \n \nFor your information:\nCalifornia\nMale, single, under 25 , No moving violation\nAlfa Spider\n     =======> $2000 \/ year\n \nWhat a bargain!!!\n======================================================================== 28\n \nLet's see, I'm 24, single, male, clean driving record. I have a 92 VW COrrado\nVR6. I live in San Jose, California. I pay ~1500$ a year through Allstate. A\ngood deal if you ask me.\n \nI was thinking about getting a Talon, but I think the insurance is higher\nfor a \"turbo\" sports car vs a V6\n \n-W\n \n======================================================================== 27\n \n1986 Honda CRX Si, clean record, in a small New Mexico town was around $800\nper year, age 24.\n \nNearby city rates were 1.5X-2X higher than where I've got mine insured.\n \n..robert\n--\nRobert Stack \/ Institute of Transportation Studies, Univ of California-Irvine\n               stack@translab.its.uci.edu   '92 Mazda Protege LX\n======================================================================== 37\n1300 per year, 1992 Saturn SC, 21 Years old, State: New Mexico,\nInsurance: State Farm.\n \n \n======================================================================== 64\n \n \nHere is my info:\n \nCar             : '89 Toyota Celica ST\nInsurance Co    : Farmer's Insurance\nYearly insurance: $2028\nAge             : 24\nDate of license : Oct 14, 1992\nResidence       : Mountain View, California\nNo moving violations (for now atleast ;-)\n \nHope this helps. Please post a summary if possible.\n \nVijay\n**********************************************************************\nVijay Anisetti\nEmail: anisetti@informix.com   Apt: (415)962-0320   Off: (415)926-6547\n======================================================================== 38\nSingle, 24 years old, Eagle Talon Turbo AWD, $1200 (full-cover, reasonable\n liability)\nNo tickets, No violations, No accidents... (knock on wood...)\nMass,\n \n\tOne thing that makes a HUGE difference in MASS is the town you live in.\nI'm personally in one of the best towns within reasonable distance\nof Boston.  If I moved to the absolute best it would go down to about\n$1150, if I moved to the worst it would be $2000+..\n \n\tAlso one accident and a couple of tickets, would probably add another $600...\n \n \n\t_RV\n \n \n======================================================================== 43\nI have a 1990 Mitsubishi eclipse turbo awd, am 23 years old and have no\ntickets that went on my record.  I live in Illinois just outside of Chicago\nand pay $1560 a year with full coverage at State Farm.  I did get a small\ndiscount because of my alarm system($30 a year).  I only live 15 miles from\nChicago but if I actually lived in the city the price would be about $2000\na year.\n======================================================================== 41\nI'm over 25, but in case you're interested anyway, I'm insuring a 93 SHO\nfor $287\/6 month.  Thats 100k personal+300k total+100k property with\n250 deductible, glass and towing, State Farm.\n \n======================================================================== 39\n \nUnless you are under 20 or have been driving for less than 5\nyears, I think you are being seriously ripped off.  I don't have\none of the performance cars you listed, but if your record is\nclean, then you should not be paying over $2K.\n \nDid you try calling all the insurance dealers you could find?\nAlthough rates are supposed to be standardized, I've found that\nmost places I initially call, give me some ridiculously high\nquote and *finaly*, I hit one that is much lower.\n \nAlso, I have changed insurance companies when the rate went up at\nrenewal (no accidents, tickets, car gets older??) to maintain a low\nrate.  You always have to be careful when it comes to insurance\ncompanies 8^).\n \nGood luck,\nSerge\n","18":"From: ritley@uimrl7.mrl.uiuc.edu ()\nSubject: SEEKING THERMOCOUPLE AMPLIFIER CIRCUIT\nReply-To: ritley@uiucmrl.bitnet ()\nOrganization: Materials Research Lab\nLines: 17\n\n\n\nI would like to be able to amplify a voltage signal which is\noutput from a thermocouple, preferably by a factor of\n100 or 1000 ---- so that the resulting voltage can be fed\nmore easily into a personal-computer-based ADC data\nacquisition card.\n\nMight anyone be able to point me to references to such\ncircuits?  I have seen simple amplifier circuits before, but\nI am not sure how well they work in practice.\n\nIn this case, I'd like something which will amplify sufficiently\n\"nicely\" to be used for thermocouples (say, a few degrees\naccuracy or better).\n\nAny pointers would be greatly appreciated!\n","19":"From: abarden@tybse1.uucp (Ann Marie Barden)\nSubject: X-Terminal Config. file question\nOrganization: Tybrin Corporation, Shalimar, FL\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 19\n\n  QUESTION:\n  What is the EXACT entry (parameter and syntax please), in the X-Terminal\nconfiguration file (loaded when the X-Terminal boots), to add another system \nto the TCP\/IP access control list?   \n\n  BACKGROUND:\n  I have two unix systems, 1. an AT&T 3B2 running X11R3 and MIT's X11R4 and \n2. a Sun SS10 without any X.  \n  I want to have a window to the Sun and the 3B2 on the NCD X-Terminal at the\nsame time.  I can do this if I manually set the Network Parameter TCP\/IP\nAccess Control List to off, then login to my telnet session. Not Great!  \n  I've tried to get \"xhost\" to work and failed.  Either my syntax is wrong\nor the X11R3 implementation is bogus.  \n  I am trying to edit the NCD configuration file that is loaded when the \nNCD boots.  No matter what entry I add or edit, the NCD still boots with\nthe TCP\/IP Access Control list containing only the 3B2.\n  My manuals are worthless so any help would be most appreciated!!  Thanks!\n\nAnn Marie Barden  \tabarden@afseo.eglin.af.mil\n","20":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <<Pompous ass\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n[...]\n>>The \"`little' things\" above were in reference to Germany, clearly.  People\n>>said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any.\n>That's not true.  I gave you two examples.  One was the rather\n>pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler\n>arrived.  The other was the system of social ranks that were used\n>in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest \n>of the population.\n\nThese don't seem like \"little things\" to me.  At least, they are orders\nworse than the motto.  Do you think that the motto is a \"little thing\"\nthat will lead to worse things?\n\nkeith\n","21":"From: leunggm@odin.control.utoronto.ca (Gary Leung)\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nOrganization: University of Toronto, Systems Control Group\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.151818.4319@samba.oit.unc.edu> Scott.Marks@launchpad.unc.edu (Scott Marks) writes:\n>>And of course, Mike Ramsey was (at one time) the captain in Buffalo prior to\n>>being traded to Pittsburgh.  Currently, the Penguins have 3 former captains\n>>and 1 real captain (Lemieux) playing for them.  They rotate the A's during the\n>>season (and even the C while Mario was out).  Even Troy Loney has worn the C\n>>for the Pens.\n>\n\nI think that Mike Foligno was the captain of the Sabres when he\ngot traded to the Leafs. Also, wasn't Rick Vaive the captain of\nthe Leafs when he got traded to Chicago (with Steve Thomas for\nEd Olcyzk and someone). Speaking of the Leafs, I believe that\nDarryl Sittler was their captain (he'd torn the \"C\" off his\njersey but I think he re-claimed the captaincy later on) when he\nwas traded to the Flyers.\n\nOh yeah, of course, Gretzky was the captain of the Oilers before\nhe was traded wasn't he? \n\nGary\n","22":"From: rpwhite@cs.nps.navy.mil (rpwhite)\nSubject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)\nOrganization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 35\n\nAndy Freeman writes:\n>Joe Doll writes:\n\n)>>   \"The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-\n)>>   tists\" lists hardware cards and application software packages for \n)>>   PC\/XT\/AT\/PS\/2 class machines.  Focus is on engineering and scien-\n)>>   tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition\/control, \n)>>   design automation, and data analysis and presentation.  \n\n)>>   If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) \n)>>   mailing address.\n>>\n>>    I am very interested in your catalog, but E-mail to you bounces.\n>\n>Don't bother - it never comes.  It's a cheap trick for building a\n>mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication.\n\nI have a copy of this catalog in front of me as I write this.\nIt does have tons of qool stuff in it. \nMy impression is that they try not to send it out to \"browsers\". It\nappears that if your not a buyer or an engineer they do not want to\nwaste a catalog on you. When you get a catalog there's a \"VIP Code\" you\nhave to give them \"to ensure your continued subscription.\".\nAnyway, if you want to get in touch with them, the company is\n\nPersonal Computing Tools\n550 Division Street\nCampbell, CA 95008\n(408) 378-8400 \n(They also have fax #'s and toll free #'s for ordering and tech support)\n\nPlease note that I am not associated with them in any way. In fact, I\nhave never ordered from them so I can't comment on their products or\nservice but the catalog is real and I am sitting here salivating over\nit.\n","23":"From: csyphers@uafhp..uark.edu (Chris Syphers)\nSubject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows??\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uafhp.uark.edu\n\nssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes:\n\n\n>\tI have an 8514\/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode \n>\t(normal 8514\/A font, not small).  In the 386 enhanced mode\n>\tthe DOS window font is too small for my 14\" monitor. Is there a \n>\tway to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to \n>\texcuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to\n>\tMS Windows world.\n\n>\tThanks.\n\n>\t(Please include this message for reference)\n>\t======  S. Alavi    [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu]  (919)467-7909 (H)  ========\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t  (919)515-8063 (W)\nThe control box of the Window itself (upper left corner of the window, single\nclick, am I being too simplistic?) has a font option. The 8 X 12 is about the\nbiggest one I can use without the characters turning funky. \n\nHpoe this helps.\n","24":"From: nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine)\nSubject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???\nKeywords: Quadra SCSI APS\nOrganization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science\nLines: 9\n\nI don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your\nmessage, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my\nQ700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge\ndrives.  My solution was to get Silverlining.  None of\nthe loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives;\nin fact the only loop that worked was the \"Macintosh\nSoftware\" loop (whatever that means).\n\n\t--Mark\n","25":"From: kph2q@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Kenneth Hinckley)\nSubject:   VOICE INPUT -- vendor information needed\nReply-To: kph2q@onyx.cs.Virginia.EDU (Kenneth Hinckley)\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 27\n\n\nHello,\n     I am looking to add voice input capability to a user interface I am\ndeveloping on an HP730 (UNIX) workstation.  I would greatly appreciate \ninformation anyone would care to offer about voice input systems that are \neasily accessible from the UNIX environment. \n\n     The names or adresses of applicable vendors, as well as any \nexperiences you have had with specific systems, would be very helpful.\n\n     Please respond via email; I will post a summary if there is \nsufficient interest.\n\n\nThanks,\nKen\n\n\nP.S.  I have found several impressive systems for IBM PC's, but I would \nlike to avoid the hassle of purchasing and maintaining a separate PC if \nat all possible.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nKen Hinckley (kph2q@virginia.edu)\nUniversity of Virginia \nNeurosurgical Visualization Laboratory\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","26":"From: nagle@netcom.com (John Nagle)\nSubject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 42\n\nWayne Alan Martin <wm1h+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>Excerpts from netnews.sci.electronics: 16-Apr-93 Re: What do Nuclear\n>Site's .. by R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal. \n>> From: R_Tim_Coslet@cup.portal.com\n>> Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\n>> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:27:21 PDT\n>>  \n>> In article: <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>\n>>         swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) wrote:\n>> >I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that\n>> >this board would be most appropriate.\n>> >I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that\n>> >are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders\n>> >that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the\n>> >actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called\n>> >'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?\n>Great Explaination, however you left off one detail, why do you always\n>see them at nuclear plants, but not always at fossil fuel plants.  At\n>nuclear plants it is prefered to run the water closed cycle, whereas\n>fossil fuel plants can in some cases get away with dumping the hot\n>water.  As I recall the water isn't as hot (thermodynamically) in many\n>fossil fuel plants, and of course there is less danger of radioactive\n>contamination.\n\n       Actually, fossil fuel plants run hotter than the usual \nboiling-water reactor nuclear plants.  (There's a gripe in the industry\nthat nuclear power uses 1900 vintage steam technology).  So it's\nmore important in nuclear plants to get the cold end of the system\nas cold as possible.  Hence big cooling towers.  \n\n       Oil and gas fired steam plants also have condensers, but they\nusually are sized to get the steam back into hot water, not most of the\nway down to ambient.  Some plants do cool the condensers with water,\nrather than air; as one Canadian official, asked about \"thermal \npollution\" de-icing a river, said, \"Up here, we view heat as a resource\".  \n\n       Everybody runs closed-cycle boilers.  The water used is \npurified of solids, which otherwise crud up the boiler plumbing when\nthe water boils.  Purifying water for boiler use is a bigger job than \ncooling it, so the boiler water is recycled.\n\n\t\t\t\t\tJohn Nagle\n","27":"From: r4938585@joplin.biosci.arizona.edu (Doug Roberts)\nSubject: Re: NL vs. AL?\nOrganization: University of Arizona, Biotechnology, Tucson\nLines: 2\nNNTP-Posting-Host: joplin.biosci.arizona.edu\nKeywords: Game length\n\nDoug Roberts - Ken Hill for NL MVP!!\n\t       Let's go 'Spos\n","28":"From: jonh@david.wheaton.edu (Jonathan Hayward)\nSubject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism\nOrganization: Wheaton College, IL\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <Apr.5.23.31.36.1993.23919@athos.rutgers.edu> by028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano) writes:\n>I'm new to this group, and maybe this has been covered already,\n>but does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the\n>environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into\n>pantheism?\n\nYes.\n\n(I am adamantly an environmentalist.  I will not use styrofoam table service.\nPlease keep that in mind as you read this post - I do not wish to attack\nenvironmentalism)\n\nA half truth is at least as dangerous as a complete lie.  A complete lie will\nrarely be readily accepted, while a half truth (the lie subtly hidden) is more\npowerfully offered by one who masquerades as an angel of light.\n\nSatan has (for some people) loosened the grip on treating the earth as something\nother than God's intricate handiwork, something other than that on which the\nhealth of future generations is based.  It is being treated with respect.  You\nthink he's going to happily leave it at that?  No.  When one error is rejected,\nit is his style to push people to the opposite error.  Therefore the earth is\nnot God's intricate handiwork, not because it is rubbish, but because it is\nGod.  Mother earth is the one you are to primarily love and serve.\n\nI see two facets of a response to it:\n\n1: Care for the environment.  Treat it with proper respect, both because it is\n   God's intricate handiwork and the health of future generation, and because\n   showing the facet of one who is disregardful of such things does not\n   constitute what the Apostle Paul called \"becoming all things to all men so\n   that by all possible means I might save some.\"\n\n   Don't say \"Forget the environment, I've got important things to spend my time\n   on.\" - putting your foot in your mouth in this manner will destroy your\n   credibility in expressing the things that _are_ more important.\n\n2: Show that it is not the ultimate entity, that it is creature and not\n   creator.  Show that its beauty and glory points to a greater beauty and\n   glory.  Show that it is not the ultimate tapestry, but one of many cords\n   woven in the infinite tapestry.\n\n################################################################################\n# \"God, give me mountains # \"But the greatest   # Jonathan Hayward             #\n# to climb and the        # of these is love.\"  # Jonathan_Hayward@wheaton.edu #\n# strength for climbing.\" # I Corinthians 13:13 # jhayward@imsa.edu            #\n################################################################################\n","29":"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)\nSubject: Re: Is car saftey important?\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202\n\ntcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum) writes:\n>Is it only me, or is\n>safety not one of the most important factors when buying a car?\n\nIt depends on your priorities.  A lot of people put higher priorities\non gas mileage and cost than on safety, buying \"unsafe\" econoboxes\ninstead of Volvos.  I personally take a middle ground -- the only\nthing I really look for is a three-point seatbelt and 5+mph bumpers.\nI figure that 30mph collisions into brick walls aren't common enough\nfor me to spend that much extra money for protection, but there are\nlots of low-speed collisions that do worry me.\n\njim frost\njimf@centerline.com\n","30":"From: mrh@iastate.edu (Michael R Hartman)\nSubject: Re: Car Stereo Stolen?\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <C5t7qG.9IJ@rice.edu> xray@is.rice.edu (Kenneth Dwayne Ray) writes:\n>> I had the front panel of my car stereo stolen this weekend.\n>\n>> I need to buy the front panel of a Sony XR-U770 car stereo.\n>>\n>I was my understanding that the purpose of those removeable-front-panels\n>were to make the radio useless, and thus discourage theft (that is if the \n>cover were removed by the owner and taken along whenever the car was left.)\n>\n>If those covers were sold for anything remarkably less than the radio \n>originally costs, or even sold at all,\n>then the above discouragement wouldn't be so great.\n>\n>I personally would be unhappy, if I bought a radio like that, thinking that \n>removing the cover greatly depreciated the radio's value, and the covers were\n>sold by the company (or other legitimate source) cheaply.\n>-- \n\nThe front covers should be available from Sony.  Check with a local car\nstereo shop.  You will probably (definitely) have to provide the units \nserial number and hopefully you had registered the warranty card.  I \ndon't know the cost, but replacements have to be available to people\nwho damage the face cover, so it stands to reason that it can be replaced.\n\nAs to deterring theft:\n\nWhen I worked for a stereo shop, we referred the customer to a Sony 800\nnumber.  We would not sell the face, nor did we have them available.  Most\npeople who came in asking for the face cover (or a pullout sleave for that\nmatter) would look very disheartened to find that they acquired a deck\nthey couldn't use.  If theft occurs with these decks, notify Sony.  Serial\nnumbers do catch theives.\n\nJust a thought,\nMichael\n\n","31":"Subject: Teenage acne\nFrom: pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill)\nOrganization: Actrix Networks\nLines: 26\n\n\nMy 14-y-o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose.  I\nbought him Clearasil face wash and ointment.  I think that is probably\nenough, along with the usual good diet.  However, he is on at me to\nget some product called Dalacin T, which used to be a\ndoctor's-prescription only treatment but is not available over the\nchemist's counter.  I have asked a couple of pharmacists who say\neither his acne is not severe enough for Dalacin T, or that Clearasil\nis OK.  I had the odd spots as a teenager, nothing serious.  His\nfather was the same, so I don't figure his acne is going to escalate\ninto something disfiguring.  But I know kids are senstitive about\ntheir appearance.  I am wary because a neighbour's son had this wierd\nmalady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin A from\nacne treatment.  I want to help - but with appropriate treatment.\n\nMy son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp.  Sort\nof teenage cradle cap.  Any pointers\/advice on this?  We have tried a\ncouple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to\nmake the condition worse, not better.\n\nShall I bury the kid till he's 21 :)\n\n-- \n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n            The floggings will continue until morale improves              \n    pchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz  Pat Churchill, Wellington New Zealand \n","32":"From: xandor@unixg.ubc.ca (John Gilbert )\nSubject: Re: Exploding TV!\nOrganization: The University of British Columbia\nLines: 4\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca\n\n Just as a not of possible interest on this subject ..\nIt is my understanding that exploding televisions were a major cause of\ndomestic accidents in the Soviet Union in past years!\n  \n","33":"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 57\n\n\nIn article <2528@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr12.184034.1370@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:\n>\n>>>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within\n>>>the Arabs\/Isreal war context. The real question is who\/what  started the\n>>>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab\n>>>land ?\n>\n>>       Huh?  A war was started when several armies invaded Israel,\n>>vowing to drive the Jews into the sea.  Most Jews wanted to live in\n>>peace, and the Arabs who stayed in Israel were granted citizenship.\n>\n>It depends entirely on how you define 'war'. The actual fighting largely\n>predates the Arab invasions - after all Deir Yassin happened in midApril\n>well before the Arab invasion. As I have said elsewhere Lt Col Lorch has\n>said that Hagana forces were fighting well before the Arabs invaded as in\n>months before. As for Jews wanting to live in peace that to is entirely\n>arguable. I think it is easy enough to show that the Labour party leadership\n>had no such intention at all. As for the Arabs who 'stayed' don't you mean\n>those who were not expelled? Even some of those who did 'stay' were not\n>granted citizenship but expelled after the fighting had stopped anyway.\n>\n>Joseph Askew\n>\n\nHow do you define war?  Do seiges and constant attacks on villiages\ncount as acts of war, or is that only when the Jews do them?\nJanuary, 1948: Arab Liberation Army attacks Kfar Szold\n               1000 men attack Kfar Etzion, 14 miles south of Jerusalem,\n                    after cutting off the supply lines to it.\nAttacks on Yehiam (Western Galilee) and kibbutz Tirat Tzvi.\nBy Mid-March, The Jewish settlements in the Negev had been cut off from\n      land links with the rest of the Jewish population.\n         The Etzion group of villiages, near Hebron, had been cut off,\n            while 42 members of a convoy trying to supply Yehiam were\n            slaughtered, cutting off the villiage.\nJerusalem was under seige, being cut off from its supply route from\n     Tel Aviv (the bombed out supply trucks have been left on the side\n     of that road to this day in memoriam).  By this time, 1200 Jews \n     had been killed.\n\nOf course, this isn't war, since it's only the Arabs attacking.\nJust like last week when the Fatah launched Katyusha rockets\nagainst Northern israel.  Where does uprising end and war begin?\nWill it still be 'Intifadah' when the PLO brings in tanks?\n\n\n>-- \n>Joseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,\n>jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.\n>Disclaimer? Sue, see if I care  North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,\n>Actually, I rather like Brenda  Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.\n\n\nAmir\n","34":"From: joec@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com ( Joe Cipale)\nSubject: Re: Clayton Need not Retract\nOrganization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <Apr.9.08.39.25.1993.15639@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:\n>civilized society.  The _ONLY_ way a homosexual can maintain even a\n>modicum of respectability is by remaining in the closet.\n>-- \n>  The views expressed herein are   |  Theodore A. Kaldis\n>  my own only.  Do you seriously   |  kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu\n>  believe that a major university  |  {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis\n>  as this would hold such views??? |\n\nOnce again, it appears that the one-eyed man has appeared in the land of the sighted\nand for some strange resaon has appointed himself the ruler and supreme power.\n\nJoe Cipale\n","35":"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)\nSubject: Re: Goalie masks\nNntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca\nOrganization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <120666@netnews.upenn.edu> kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller) writes:\n>My vote goes to John Vanbiesbrouck.  His mask has a skyline of New York\n>City, and on the sides there are a bunch of bees (Beezer).  It looks\n>really sharp.\n\nFunny you should mention this; one time on HNIC Don Cherry pointed out\nVanbiesbrouck's mask.  He _hated_ it.  I think he said something to the effect\nof:\n\"You see?  He was great last year; now he goes out and gets that dopey mask \nand he can't stop a beachball!\"\n\nYou may or may not take Cherry seriously at all, but I cracked up when I heard\nit.\n\nI think Ed Belfour has the current best mask in the NHL btw.  I also like\nMoog's, and I'll give Fuhr's new one an honourable mention, although I haven't\nseen it closely yet (it looked good from a distance!).  What's also neat is\nChevaldae's in Detroit; they call him \"Chevy\" so he has two checkered flags\npainted at the top as in an auto race.\n\n\n","36":"From: static@iat.holonet.net (Joe Ehrlich)\nSubject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!\nOrganization: HoloNet National Internet Access System: 510-704-1058\/modem\nLines: 19\n\nOh boy, a little K-bike versus \/2 scuffling? Grow up! And that goes for\nthe both of you!\n\nI do hope that the \"dump dempster\" campaign works however.\nI think that he is a crook, and I am suprised that it has taken this long\nfor anything to be done (though obviously, it ain't over yet)\nOn the other hand, \nI'm not sure that I want to be in bed with ANY of the wackos running.\nThrowing $20.oo down a rathole might be more effective than sending it in\nto the club. You wouldn't get anything, but you don't get anything now.\n\nThe magazine you say? Ever since the MOA politburo installed Don it has\nlacked any sort of panache it may have had. \n\nAh, but what would I know? I own a \/6 AND a K-bike\n\n\nstatic\nMOA 20297\n","37":"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nOrganization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <1r466c$an3@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:\n>Agreed.  Remember, I don't even think of Clipper as encryption in any real \n>sense--if I did, I'd probably be a lot more annoyed about it.\n\nI agree with this assessment.  Furthermore, its promotion as\nproviding greater protection than bare voice is quite true, as far\nas it goes.  However, the only way for it to fulfill its stated goal\nof letting LE wiretap \"terrorists and drug dealers\" is to restrict\nstronger techniques.  \n\nWiretap targets presently use strong encryption, weak encryption, or\n(the vast majority) no encryption.  The latter two classes can be\ntapped.  With weak encryption in every phone, the no-encryption\nclass is merged into the weak-encryption class.  Will the\nintroduction of Clipper cause targets presently enjoying strong\nprivacy to give up on it?  that is, to rely for privacy on a system\nexpressly designed to deny it to people like them?  I doubt it.  The\nmere introduction of this scheme will give the government *nothing*.\n\nThe stated goal of preventing the degradation of wiretapping\ncapabilities can be fulfilled by restriction of domestic\ncryptography, and only by this restriction.  \"Clipper\" appears to be\nno more than a sop, given to the public to mute any complaints.  We\nwould find this a grossly inadequate tradeoff, but I fear the public\nat large will not care.  I hate to even mention gun control, but\nmost people seem to think that an `assault weapon' (as the NYT uses\nthe word) is some sort of automatic weapon, .50 caliber maybe.  Who\nwants to have such a thing legal?  Well, people know even less about\ncryptology; I suspect that strong cryptography could easily be\nlabeled \"too much secrecy for law-abiding citizens to need\".\n\n>That's not for Clinton (or anyone under him) to say, though.  Only the \n>federal and supreme courts can say anything about the constitutionality.\n>Anything the administration or any governmental agency says is opinion at \n>best.\n\nWhat they say is opinion, but what they do is what matters, and will\ncontinue unless overturned.  And the courts are reluctant to annul\nlaw or regulation, going to some length to decide cases on other\ngrounds.  Furthermore, Congress can get away with quite a bit.  They\ncould levy a burdensome tax; this would place enforcement in the\nhands of the BATF, who as we've seen you really don't want on your\ncase.  They could invoke the Commerce Clause; this seems most\nlikely.  This clause will get you anywhere these days.  The 18th was\nrequired because the Supreme Court ruled a prohibitory statute\nunconstitutional.  In 1970 Congress prohibited many drugs, with a\ntextual nod to the Commerce Clause.  The Controlled Substances\nAct of 1970 still stands.  I think the government could get away\nwith it.\n\n>Amanda Walker\n\n\t PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail\n   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu\n\n\n","38":"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)\nSubject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?\nOrganization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <tcora-140493155620@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>,\n>fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) wrote:\n>> \n>> Lets get this \"No Fault\" stuff straight, I lived in NJ\n>> when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA\n>> and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it\n>> was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking\n>> lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess\n>> whose insurance pays for it ? give up ?  YOURS.\n>\n>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less\n>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy\/gal's company\n>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the\n>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy\/gal's company right off - just\n>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check\n>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage).\n\n\tThe word is \"subrogation.\"  Seems to me, if you're willing to wait\nfor the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the\ndeductible.  However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may\nhave to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large-\nfanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers.\n\n\tSad, but true.  Call it job security for lawyers.\n\nLater,\n-- \nChris BeHanna\tDoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady\nbehanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\nDisclaimer:  Now why would NEC\t  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\nagree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n","39":"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)\nSubject: Re: Gun Lovers (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)\nOrganization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group\nLines: 104\n\n\/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns \/ vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) \/ 10:34 am  Apr 14, 1993 \/\n\nThis isn't rec.guns, so maybe this is getting a bet technical, but I\ncan't resist....\n\n> - A revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull\n>   the trigger again.\n\nSometimes.....  Depends on WHY it misfired....\n\n> - A double-action revolver (almost all of them) can be hand-cocked first,\n>   but will fire merely by pulling the trigger.\n\nI can't imagine doing much combat type shooting single action.....\n\n> - A misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again\n>   to rotate to the next round.\n\nAssuming the cylinder WILL rotate....\n\n> - A revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the\n>   hammer for maximum safety, but still can be drawn and fired with an\n>   easy motion, even one handed.\n\nNever hurts to err on the side of safety, but if you've got one of those\n'new fangled' hammer blocks or transfer bar safeties, it's unnecessarily\nredundant.  I'd rather have the extra round.\n\n> - Speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines\n>   on semi-autos. Can be faster depending on users.\n\nQuite true.  Speed loaders are a little less convenient to pack around\nthan magazines though.\n\n> - A misfire in a semi-auto will require you to clear a jammed shell\n>   first, time spent which can be fatal. And a vital second or so is often\n>   lost as you realize \"hey, it's jammed!\" before starting to do anything\n>   about clearing it.\n\nTrue, but this is a training function.\n\n> - Most semi-autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round\n>   and cock the hammer. Some police carry their semi-autos with the\n>   chamber loaded and hammer cocked, but a safety engaged. I do not consider\n>   this safe however. You must trade-off safety to get the same speed\n>   of employment as a revolver.\n\nCocked and locked for single actions or hammer down on double actions\nare the only carry modes that make sense...  The 80 series Colt's for\nexample are quite safe to carry this way.\n\n> - There are some double-action semi-autos out there, but the complexity of\n>   operation of many of them requires more training.\n\nAgreed.\n\nNow that I've shot off my mouth a bit, let me back some of this up.  It\nis true that a simple misfire on a revolver doesn't cost you much.  On\nthe other hand, I've had all sorts of interesting things happen over the\nyears.  For example, I've had FACTORY ammunition that has had high\nprimers.  A high primer will tie your revolver up somewhere from seconds\nto minutes while you try to pound the action open to clear the problem.\nAn auto?  Jack the slide and continue.\n\nI've had bullets come out of the case, keeping the cylinder from\nturning, see clearing paragraph above.  About the WORST that can happen\nwith a semi auto is a double feed.  This can be cleared in seconds.\n\nMost revolvers are more 'fragile' then semi auto's.  There are all sorts\nof close tolerance parts and fitting involved.  Dropping the gun, or a\nblow to the gun or all sorts of things can take it out of action.  Many\nof the problems that can be cured on the spot with a (quality) semi auto\ntake a gun smith for a revolver.  In short a revolver MAY be less likely\nto malfunction, but as a rule when it does, you're out of the fight.\nThe majority of malfunctions that occur with semi autos does not fall\ninto that category.\n\nVincint makes many good points in this post, but leaves off the opposing\nview of most of them.  A real good starting place is Ayoob's \"The Semi\nAuto Pistol for Police and Self Defense.\"\n\nIn general, I'd agree, the revolver is an excellent first gun and self\ndefense weapon for somebody that does not have the time, and inclination\nthat is necessary for the training and practice needed to use a semi\nauto effectively as a self defense arm.\n\nMost cops are notoriously indifferent to firearms.  If the department\nisn't going to train them, they aren't going to take the time on their\nown.  There is no doubt that training is an issue.  The amount of\ntraining required for effective use of a semi auto is probably several\ntimes that of a revolver.  Many cops don't bother.\n\nFor myself, I'd hate to be limited to one or the other.  I'd rather pick\nwhat fits better with my personal inclination, what I'm wearing that day\nand so on.  Like the Moderator on rec.guns says, buy em all!\n\nThat said, I have to admit that often my advice to people thinking of\nbuying their first defense arm is (right after taking a class) get a\nRuger or Smith revolver....  (Sorry Colt fans.  Colt revolvers are ok\ntoo!)\n\nIf this post had gone the other way, I'd be arguing for revolvers. :-)\n\nRick.\n","40":"From:  (Sean Garrison)\nSubject: Re: Bonilla\nNntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu\nOrganization: Yale Univeristy\nLines: 37\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.213553.2181@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>,\nkrueger@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (theodore r krueger) wrote:\n \n> Isn't it funny that  a white person calls comeone a \"nigger\" and gets banned \n> for a year, but a black person calls someone a \"faggot\" and there is no \n> consequence?\n\n> Ted\n\n\nTed, you're missing a vital point.  As Roger Lustig pointed out in a\nprevious response, the reason why Schott was banned from baseball was\nbecause she had been known to call and think in a racially biased manner on\na constant basis.  Such thoughts affected her hiring practices.  Bonilla,\non the other hand, was found to have mentioned this one word a single time.\n If he had been known to go around, criticizing homosexuals, it would be a\ndifferent story.  Furthermore, he is merely an athlete.  He doesn't have to\nhire anyone as Schott had to do.  Dave Pallone, the former NL umpire who is\nan admitted homosexual, has decided to assist in a protest before a Mets\ngame at Shea.  He, like you, thinks that Bonilla should be suspended from\nbaseball.  Pallone is hoping for a year's suspension.  In my opinion,\nthat's downright ludicrous.  As Howie Rose on WFAN said, if you start\nsuspending athletes who have mentioned a derogatory word even a single time\nunder whatever conditions, then you'd probably have enough people remaining\nto play a three-on-three game.  Now, honestly, if you truly analyze the\ndifferences between the two cases that you bring up in your article, I\nwould think that you'd reconsider your thoughts.\n\n\n                                    -Sean\n\n\n\n*******************************************************************************\n  \"Behind the bag!\"\n            - Vin Scully\n*******************************************************************************\n","41":"From: root@ncube.com (Operator)\nSubject: Re: Which fax modem is the best?\nNntp-Posting-Host: admin\nReply-To: root@ncube.com\nOrganization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA\nLines: 19\n\nWell I am using The Home Office. I bought it for arounde $350.\nIt does 14.4. I don't know if it's for data or fax. But the\nfeature I use is the Voic Mail Box, which I really have liked.\n\n---\n\n\n\n                     ^~\n                     @ *  *\n  Captain Zod...    _|\/_ \/\n  zod@ncube.com    |-|-|\/\n                  0 \/| 0\n                   \/ |\n           \\=======&==\\===\n           \\===========&===\n\n\n\n","42":"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)\nSubject: Re: Need phone number for Western Digital (ESDI problem)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nWestern Digital 1-800-832-4778.....Sam\n-- \nGosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...\nDon't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...\n","43":"From: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Paul R Krueger)\nSubject: Brewer bullpen rocked again...\nOrganization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 30\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: paul@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\nFor the second straight game, California scored a ton of late runs to crush\nthe Brewhas. It was six runs in the 8th for a 12-5 win Monday and five in\nthe 8th and six in the 9th for a 12-2 win yesterday. Jamie Navarro pitched\nseven strong innings, but Orosco, Austin, Manzanillo and Lloyd all took part\nin the mockery of a bullpen yesterday. How's this for numbers? Maldanado has\npitched three scoreless innings and Navarro's ERA is 0.75. The next lowest\non the staff is Wegman at 5.14. Ouch!\n\nIt doesn't look much better for the hitters. Hamilton is batting .481, while\nThon is hitting .458 and has seven RBI. The next highest is three. The next\nbest hitter is Jaha at .267 and then Vaughn, who has the team's only HR, at\n.238. Another ouch. Looking at the stats, it's not hard to see why the team\nis 2-5. In fact, 2-5 doesn't sound bad when you're averaging three runs\/game\nand giving up 6.6\/game. \n\nStill, it's early and things will undoubtedly get better. The offense should\ncome around, but the bullpen is a major worry. Fetters, Plesac and Austin gave\nthe Brewers great middle relief last year. Lloyd, Maldanado, Manzanillo, \nFetters, Austin and Orosco will have to pick up the pace for the team to be\nsuccessful. Milwaukee won a number of games last year when middle relief either\nheld small leads or kept small deficits in place. The starters will be okay,\nthe defense will be alright and the hitting will come around, but the bullpen\nis a big question mark.\n\nIn other news, Nilsson and Doran were reactivated yesterday, while William\nSuero was sent down and Tim McIntosh was picked up by Montreal. Today's game\nwith California was cancelled.\n\n--salty\n\n","44":"From: cmeyer@bloch.Stanford.EDU (Craig Meyer)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nOrganization: DSO, Stanford University\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 27\n\nMichael Chen (mike@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:\n\n: In any case, I think Viola would have made a better signing.  Why?\n: Viola is younger, and is left handed (how many left handed starters does\n: Toronto have?\n\nWell, I agree that Viola is a better signing.  However, why does\neveryone say that you want lefthanded starters?  I understand lefthanded\nspot relievers, even though they usually face more righthanded batters\nthan lefthanded batters.  I just don't understand why people insist\non lefthanded starters, unless there is a park effect (e.g., Yankee Stadium).\nMost batters in MLB are righthanded, so righthanded starters will have\nthe platoon advantage more often than lefthanded starters.\nI guess one argument for lefty starters is that certain teams\nmay be more vulnerable to LHP's than RHP's.  However, this is probably\nonly a factor in the postseason, because teams seldom juggle their starters\nfor this reason during the regular season.\n\nI think you just want the best starters you can get, regardless of\nwhether they are lefties or righties.  Lefthanded starters tend to have\nhigher ERA's than righthanded starters, precisely because managers\ngo out of their way to start inferior lefties (or perhaps because of\nthe platoon advantage).\n\nAm I missing something here?\n\n--Craig\n","45":"From: Robert Everett Brunskill <rb6t+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL\nOrganization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <93105.152944BR4416A@auvm.american.edu>\n\nOf course, if you want to check the honesty of your dealler, take it in\nknowing what's wrong, and ask them to tell you. :)\n\nOf course he'll probably know right a way, then charge you a $20 service\nfee. :)\n\nRob\n","46":"From: vng@iscs.nus.sg\nSubject: Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator\nReply-To: VNG@ISCS.NUS.SG\nOrganization: Dept of Info Sys and Comp Sci, National University of Singapore, SINGAPORE\nLines: 6\n\nIs there a Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator or a comms toolbox kit available on the\nnet somewhere?\n\nThanks.\n\nVince\n","47":"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)\nSubject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w\/ BIKES\nOrganization: Louisiana Tech University\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu\nSummary: Bike movies\nKeywords: movies\n\nIn article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:\n\n>Folks,\n\n>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.\n\n>Essentially I need any\/all movies that use motos in any substantial\n>capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man,\n>Raising Arizona, etc).  \n>Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated.\n>(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary)\n\nEasy Rider (harleys, drugs, rednecks, New Orleans), Mad Max (violence, DoD \nwanna-be's), Time Rider (Honda Thumper, Time travel), On Any Sunday \n(Documentary about dirtbike racers, GREAT!), The (Great?) Escape (Steve \nMcqueen, Nazis), Rebel Without a Cause (James Dean, future DoD'ers).  I \nthink the last two are right, they are OLD movies I haven't seen in YEARS. \n ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----\n\n                          Stolen Taglines...\n              * God is real, unless declared integer. *\n            * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. *\n         * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. *\n        * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. *\n       * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. *\n","48":"From: tg@cs.toronto.edu (Tom Glinos)\nSubject: 12V to 3V and 48V at 3A\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of Toronto\nDistribution: na\nLines: 11\n\nThe subject line says it all. I'm working on a project\nthat will use a car battery. I need to pull off 3V and possibly\n48V at 3A.\n\nI have several ideas, but I'd prefer to benefit from all you\nbrilliant people :-)\n-- \n=================\n\"Conquest is easy, control is not\"\t| Tom Glinos @ U of Toronto Statistics\n[Star Trek TOS]   \t\t\t| tg@utstat.toronto.edu\nUSL forgot this simple history lesson\n","49":"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom)\nSubject: Golden & Space ages\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 17\n\nPat sez;\n>Oddly, enough,  The smithsonian calls the lindbergh years\n>the golden age of flight.  I would call it the granite years,\n>reflecting the primitive nature of it.  It was  romantic,\n>swashbuckling daredevils,  \"those daring young men in their flying\n>machines\".  But in reality, it sucked.  Death was a highly likely\n>occurence,  and  the environment blew.\n\nYeah, but a windscreen cut down most of it.  Canopies ended it completely.\n\nOf course, the environment in space continues to suck :-)\n\n-Tommy Mac\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk   \\\\ As the radius of vision increases,\n18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\\\ the circumference of mystery grows.\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","50":"From: johnc@crsa.bu.edu (John Collins)\nSubject: Problem with MIT-SHM\nOrganization: Boston University\nLines: 27\n\nI am trying to write an image display program that uses\nthe MIT shared memory extension.  The shared memory segment\ngets allocated and attached to the process with no problem.\nBut the program crashes at the first call to XShmPutImage,\nwith the following message:\n\nX Error of failed request:  BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)\n  Major opcode of failed request:  133 (MIT-SHM)\n  Minor opcode of failed request:  3 (X_ShmPutImage)\n  Segment id in failed request 0x0\n  Serial number of failed request:  741\n  Current serial number in output stream:  742\n\nLike I said, I did error checking on all the calls to shmget\nand shmat that are necessary to create the shared memory\nsegment, as well as checking XShmAttach.  There are no\nproblems.\n\nIf anybody has had the same problem or has used MIT-SHM without\nhaving the same problem, please let me know.\n\nBy the way, I am running OpenWindows 3.0 on a Sun Sparc2.\n\nThanks in advance--\nJohn C.\n\n\n","51":"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 27\n\nI have been following this thread on talk.religion,\nsoc.religion.christian.bible-study and here with interest.  I am amazed at\nthe different non-biblical argument those who oppose the Sabbath present. \n\nOne question comes to mind, especially since my last one was not answered\nfrom Scripture.  Maybe clh may wish to provide the first response.\n\nThere is a lot of talk about the Sabbath of the TC being ceremonial. \nAnswer this:\n\nSince the TC commandments is one law with ten parts on what biblical\nbasis have you decided that only the Sabbath portion is ceremonial?\nOR You say that the seventh-day is the Sabbath but not applicable to\nGentile Christians.  Does that mean the Sabbath commandment has been\nannulled?  References please.\n\nIf God did not intend His requirements on the Jews to be applicable to\nGentile Christians why did He make it plain that the Gentiles were now\ngrafted into the commonwealth of Israel?\n\nDarius\n\n[Acts 15, Rom 14:5, Col 2:16, Gal 4:10.  I believe we've gotten into\na loop at this point.  This is one of those classic situations where\nboth sides think they have clear Scriptural support, and there's no\nobvious argument that is going to change anybody's mind.  I don't think\nwe're going anything but repeating ourselves.  --clh]\n","52":"From: yuting@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Eugene Y. Kuo)\nSubject: Any updated Canon BJ-200 driver?\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nLines: 8\n\nHi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200\nprinter driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with\nmy BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version.\n\nThanks very much, please email.\n\n\n\n","53":"From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)\nSubject: Re: Patient-Physician Diplomacy\nArticle-I.D.: pitt.19422\nReply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <C4Hyou.1Iz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) writes:\n>In article <188@ky3b.UUCP> km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes:\n>\n>>Ditto. Disease is a great leveling experience, however. Some people\n>>are very much afronted to find out that all the money in the world\n>>does not buy one health. Everyone looks the same when they die.\n>\n>If money does not buy one health, why are we talking about paying\n>for medical expenses for those not currently \"adequately covered\"?\n\nHerman, I would think you of all people would\/could distinguish\nbetween \"health\" and \"treatment of disease.\" All the prevention\nmedicine people preach this all the time. You cannot buy health.\nYou can buy treatment of disease, assuming you are lucky enough\nto have a disease which can be treated. A rich person with a\nterminal disease is a bit out of luck. There is no such thing\nas \"adequately covered\" and there never will be. \n\nAnd for what it's worth, I'll be the first to admit that all my\npatients die.\n\n-km\n","54":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Day and night Armenians were rounding up male inhabitants...\nArticle-I.D.: zuma.9304052020\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 71\n\nIn article <734048492@locust.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes:\n\n>\t  Sure it joined you by ballot in 1918!  And I suppose that\n>\t  Northern Bukovina (where I was born), which has always had\n\nThat's why zoologists refer to you as a 'fecal shield'. Colonel Semen \nM. Budienny, a subsequent Soviet military fame, said about the \nArmenian genocide of 2.5 million defenseless Turkish and Kurdish \nwomen, children and elderly people during his visit to Anatolia \nin June 1919 that\n\n\"the Armenians had become troublemakers, their Hinchakist\n and Dashnakist parties were opportunist, serving as lackeys\n of whatever power happened to be ascendent.\"\n\nIn September 16, 1920, Major General W. Thwaites, Director of\nMilitary Intelligence, wrote to Lord Hardinge, Under-Secretary\nof State for Foreign Affairs:\n\n\"...it is useless to pretend that the Armenians are satisfactory\n allies, or deserving of all the sympathy to which they claim.\"[1]\n\n[1] F.O. 331\/3411\/158288.\n\nIn the Special Collection at Stanford Hoover Library, donated by\nGeorgia Cutler, the letter dated Nov. 1, 1943 states that\n\n\"Prescot Hall wrote a large volume to prove that Armenians were\n not and never could be desirable citizens, that they would \n always be unscrupulous merchants.\"\n\n\nSource: Documents: Volume I (1919).\n        \"Document No: 50,\" Archive No: 4\/3621, Cabin No: 162, Drawer \n        No: 5, File No: 2905, Section No: 433, Contents No: 6, 6-1, 6-2.\n        (To 36th Division Command - Militia Commander Ismail Hakki)\n\n\"For eight days, Armenians have been forcibly obstructing people from\n leaving their homes or going from one village to the other. Day and night\n they are rounding up male inhabitants, taking them to unknown destinations,\n after which nothing further is heard of them. (Informed from statements\n of those who succeeded in escaping wounded from the massacres around\n Taskilise ruins). Women and children are being openly murdered or are\n being gathered in the Church Square and similar places. Most inhuman and\n barbarous acts have been committed against Moslems for eight days.\"\n\n\n        \"Document No: 52,\" Archive No: 4\/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer \n        No: 1, File No: 2907, Section No: 440, Contents No: 6-6, 6-7.\n        (To: 1st Caucasian Army Corps Command, 2nd Caucasian Army Corps\n        Command, Communications Zone Inspectorate - Commander 3rd Army\n        General)\n\n\"As almost all Russian units opposite our front have been withdrawn, the\n population loyal to us in regions behind the Russian positions are\n facing an ever-increasing threat and suppression as well as cruelties\n and abuses by Armenians who have decided to systematically annihilate\n the Moslem population in regions under their occupation. I have \n regularly informed the Russian Command of these atrocities and\n cruelties and I have gained the impression that the above authority\n seems to be failing in restoring order.\"\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n","55":"From: cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison)\nSubject: Re: Clipper Crypto\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Software Engineering\nLines: 26\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ellisun.sw.stratus.com\nKeywords: crypto, EFF\n\nI sent a response to the White House at\n\n\t0005895485@MCIMAIL.COM (White House)\n\nand received a nice, automatic reply from MICMAIL noting, in passing, that\nif I had included a SNail address, I would get a reply in due course.\n\nFor those who care, my reply was:\n\n\t1.\tyes, let's protect the voice network\n\n\t2.\tprivately-developed crypto has always been available and\n\t\talways will be -- so let's think about how to do law\n\t\tenforcement given that fact not about how to hope to\n\t\tlegislate against it\n\n\t3.\tmy needs for crypto as a system designer are not met by the\n\t\tClipper Chip.  I want freely to export uses of algorithms\n\t\t(like DES & RSA) which are already freely available in the\n\t\tdestination country\n\n-- \n - <<Disclaimer: All opinions expressed are my own, of course.>>\n - Carl Ellison                                        cme@sw.stratus.com\n - Stratus Computer Inc.       M3-2-BKW                TEL: (508)460-2783\n - 55 Fairbanks Boulevard ; Marlborough MA 01752-1298  FAX: (508)624-7488\n","56":"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)\nSubject: Re: Improvements in Automatic Transmissions\nKeywords: Saturn, Subaru, manual, automatic\nArticle-I.D.: engr.Apr19.045221.19525\nOrganization: clearer than blir\nLines: 40\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu\n\n\nan excellent automatic can be found in the subaru legacy.  it switches to\n\"sport\" mode when the electronics figure it,  not when the driver sets\nthe switch.. which is the proper way to do it, IMO.  so what does \"sport\"\nmode entail?  several things:\n\n1) revving to red line (or to the rev limiter in the case of the legacy)\n\n2) delayed upshifts.  (i.e. if you lift off briefly, it will remain in the\n\tlow gear.  this is handy if you are charging through corners and\n\twould like to do without the distraction of upshifts when there's\n\tanother curve approaching)\n\n3) part throttle downshifts, based on the *speed* at which the pedal is\n\tdepressed, rather than the *position* of the pedal.  modern\n\telectronics can measure this very easily and switch to sport mode.\n\tthis is wonderful if you want to charge through a green light about\n\tto turn red.  my audi senses this very well and can downshift on as\n\tlittle as half throttle if my right foot is fast enough.\n\nalso, i think that a smart automatic can deliver better gas mileage\nthan a dumb driver with a stick, all else being equal.. remember that\nthe idea of a stick being more economical than an automatic makes a\nbig assumption that the driver is smart enough to know what gear to\nuse for each situation.. how many times have you ridden with an\ninattentive driver cruising on the highway at 55\/65 in 4th gear (of a\n5 speed)?  \n\nhow many % of people who drive manuals *really* know what the best\ngear to use is for every conceivable situation?  i'm sure there will\nbe some who know, but i suspect that a chip controlled automatic with\nall possible scenario\/ratio combinations stored in ROM is likely to do\nbetter.  i can also say that all my previous assumptions were proved\nwrong after i got a car with instantaneous mpg readout... high gear,\nlow revs and wide open throttle is more economical than low gear, high\nrevs and small throttle opening.  the explanation is quite simple if\none sits down to think about it, but not that obvious at first sight.\n\n\neliot\n","57":"From: d_jaracz@oz.plymouth.edu (David R. Jaracz)\nSubject: Re: Octopus in Detroit?\nOrganization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <93106.092246DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Harold Zazula <DLMQC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:\n>I was watching the Detroit-Minnesota game last night and thought I saw an\n>octopus on the ice after Ysebaert scored to tie the game at two. What gives?\n\nNo no no!!!  It's a squid!  Keep the tradition alive!  (Kinda like the\nfish at UNH games....)\n\n>(is there some custom to throw octopuses on the ice in Detroit?)\n>-------\n>Not Responsible -- Dain Bramaged!!\n>\n>Harold Zazula\n>dlmqc@cunyvm.cuny.edu\n>hzazula@alehouse.acc.qc.edu\n\n\n","58":"From: sp@odin.fna.no (Svein Pedersen)\nSubject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: University of Tromsoe, Norway\nLines: 11\n\nSorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need.\n\nI need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of *.ini files for Windows. \nThe program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script under Windows.\n\nI will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on meny PC`s.  \n\nDo I find it on any FTP host?\n\n Svein\n\n","59":"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nSubject: Space FAQ 11\/15 - Upcoming Planetary Probes\nSupersedes: <new_probes_730956574@cs.unc.edu>\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nLines: 243\nDistribution: world\nExpires: 6 May 1993 20:00:01 GMT\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\n\nArchive-name: space\/new_probes\nLast-modified: $Date: 93\/04\/01 14:39:17 $\n\nUPCOMING PLANETARY PROBES - MISSIONS AND SCHEDULES\n\n    Information on upcoming or currently active missions not mentioned below\n    would be welcome. Sources: NASA fact sheets, Cassini Mission Design\n    team, ISAS\/NASDA launch schedules, press kits.\n\n\n    ASUKA (ASTRO-D) - ISAS (Japan) X-ray astronomy satellite, launched into\n    Earth orbit on 2\/20\/93. Equipped with large-area wide-wavelength (1-20\n    Angstrom) X-ray telescope, X-ray CCD cameras, and imaging gas\n    scintillation proportional counters.\n\n\n    CASSINI - Saturn orbiter and Titan atmosphere probe. Cassini is a joint\n    NASA\/ESA project designed to accomplish an exploration of the Saturnian\n    system with its Cassini Saturn Orbiter and Huygens Titan Probe. Cassini\n    is scheduled for launch aboard a Titan IV\/Centaur in October of 1997.\n    After gravity assists of Venus, Earth and Jupiter in a VVEJGA\n    trajectory, the spacecraft will arrive at Saturn in June of 2004. Upon\n    arrival, the Cassini spacecraft performs several maneuvers to achieve an\n    orbit around Saturn. Near the end of this initial orbit, the Huygens\n    Probe separates from the Orbiter and descends through the atmosphere of\n    Titan. The Orbiter relays the Probe data to Earth for about 3 hours\n    while the Probe enters and traverses the cloudy atmosphere to the\n    surface. After the completion of the Probe mission, the Orbiter\n    continues touring the Saturnian system for three and a half years. Titan\n    synchronous orbit trajectories will allow about 35 flybys of Titan and\n    targeted flybys of Iapetus, Dione and Enceladus. The objectives of the\n    mission are threefold: conduct detailed studies of Saturn's atmosphere,\n    rings and magnetosphere; conduct close-up studies of Saturn's\n    satellites, and characterize Titan's atmosphere and surface.\n\n    One of the most intriguing aspects of Titan is the possibility that its\n    surface may be covered in part with lakes of liquid hydrocarbons that\n    result from photochemical processes in its upper atmosphere. These\n    hydrocarbons condense to form a global smog layer and eventually rain\n    down onto the surface. The Cassini orbiter will use onboard radar to\n    peer through Titan's clouds and determine if there is liquid on the\n    surface. Experiments aboard both the orbiter and the entry probe will\n    investigate the chemical processes that produce this unique atmosphere.\n\n    The Cassini mission is named for Jean Dominique Cassini (1625-1712), the\n    first director of the Paris Observatory, who discovered several of\n    Saturn's satellites and the major division in its rings. The Titan\n    atmospheric entry probe is named for the Dutch physicist Christiaan\n    Huygens (1629-1695), who discovered Titan and first described the true\n    nature of Saturn's rings.\n\n\t Key Scheduled Dates for the Cassini Mission (VVEJGA Trajectory)\n\t -------------------------------------------------------------\n\t   10\/06\/97 - Titan IV\/Centaur Launch\n\t   04\/21\/98 - Venus 1 Gravity Assist\n\t   06\/20\/99 - Venus 2 Gravity Assist\n\t   08\/16\/99 - Earth Gravity Assist\n\t   12\/30\/00 - Jupiter Gravity Assist\n\t   06\/25\/04 - Saturn Arrival\n\t   01\/09\/05 - Titan Probe Release\n\t   01\/30\/05 - Titan Probe Entry\n\t   06\/25\/08 - End of Primary Mission\n\t    (Schedule last updated 7\/22\/92)\n\n\n    GALILEO - Jupiter orbiter and atmosphere probe, in transit. Has returned\n    the first resolved images of an asteroid, Gaspra, while in transit to\n    Jupiter. Efforts to unfurl the stuck High-Gain Antenna (HGA) have\n    essentially been abandoned. JPL has developed a backup plan using data\n    compression (JPEG-like for images, lossless compression for data from\n    the other instruments) which should allow the mission to achieve\n    approximately 70% of its original objectives.\n\n\t   Galileo Schedule\n\t   ----------------\n\t   10\/18\/89 - Launch from Space Shuttle\n\t   02\/09\/90 - Venus Flyby\n\t   10\/**\/90 - Venus Data Playback\n\t   12\/08\/90 - 1st Earth Flyby\n\t   05\/01\/91 - High Gain Antenna Unfurled\n\t   07\/91 - 06\/92 - 1st Asteroid Belt Passage\n\t   10\/29\/91 - Asteroid Gaspra Flyby\n\t   12\/08\/92 - 2nd Earth Flyby\n\t   05\/93 - 11\/93 - 2nd Asteroid Belt Passage\n\t   08\/28\/93 - Asteroid Ida Flyby\n\t   07\/02\/95 - Probe Separation\n\t   07\/09\/95 - Orbiter Deflection Maneuver\n\t   12\/95 - 10\/97 - Orbital Tour of Jovian Moons\n\t   12\/07\/95 - Jupiter\/Io Encounter\n\t   07\/18\/96 - Ganymede\n\t   09\/28\/96 - Ganymede\n\t   12\/12\/96 - Callisto\n\t   01\/23\/97 - Europa\n\t   02\/28\/97 - Ganymede\n\t   04\/22\/97 - Europa\n\t   05\/31\/97 - Europa\n\t   10\/05\/97 - Jupiter Magnetotail Exploration\n\n\n    HITEN - Japanese (ISAS) lunar probe launched 1\/24\/90. Has made\n    multiple lunar flybys. Released Hagoromo, a smaller satellite,\n    into lunar orbit. This mission made Japan the third nation to\n    orbit a satellite around the Moon.\n\n\n    MAGELLAN - Venus radar mapping mission. Has mapped almost the entire\n    surface at high resolution. Currently (4\/93) collecting a global gravity\n    map.\n\n\n    MARS OBSERVER - Mars orbiter including 1.5 m\/pixel resolution camera.\n    Launched 9\/25\/92 on a Titan III\/TOS booster. MO is currently (4\/93) in\n    transit to Mars, arriving on 8\/24\/93. Operations will start 11\/93 for\n    one martian year (687 days).\n\n\n    TOPEX\/Poseidon - Joint US\/French Earth observing satellite, launched\n    8\/10\/92 on an Ariane 4 booster. The primary objective of the\n    TOPEX\/POSEIDON project is to make precise and accurate global\n    observations of the sea level for several years, substantially\n    increasing understanding of global ocean dynamics. The satellite also\n    will increase understanding of how heat is transported in the ocean.\n\n\n    ULYSSES- European Space Agency probe to study the Sun from an orbit over\n    its poles. Launched in late 1990, it carries particles-and-fields\n    experiments (such as magnetometer, ion and electron collectors for\n    various energy ranges, plasma wave radio receivers, etc.) but no camera.\n\n    Since no human-built rocket is hefty enough to send Ulysses far out of\n    the ecliptic plane, it went to Jupiter instead, and stole energy from\n    that planet by sliding over Jupiter's north pole in a gravity-assist\n    manuver in February 1992. This bent its path into a solar orbit tilted\n    about 85 degrees to the ecliptic. It will pass over the Sun's south pole\n    in the summer of 1993. Its aphelion is 5.2 AU, and, surprisingly, its\n    perihelion is about 1.5 AU-- that's right, a solar-studies spacecraft\n    that's always further from the Sun than the Earth is!\n\n    While in Jupiter's neigborhood, Ulysses studied the magnetic and\n    radiation environment. For a short summary of these results, see\n    *Science*, V. 257, p. 1487-1489 (11 September 1992). For gory technical\n    detail, see the many articles in the same issue.\n\n\n    OTHER SPACE SCIENCE MISSIONS (note: this is based on a posting by Ron\n    Baalke in 11\/89, with ISAS\/NASDA information contributed by Yoshiro\n    Yamada (yamada@yscvax.ysc.go.jp). I'm attempting to track changes based\n    on updated shuttle manifests; corrections and updates are welcome.\n\n    1993 Missions\n\to ALEXIS [spring, Pegasus]\n\t    ALEXIS (Array of Low-Energy X-ray Imaging Sensors) is to perform\n\t    a wide-field sky survey in the \"soft\" (low-energy) X-ray\n\t    spectrum. It will scan the entire sky every six months to search\n\t    for variations in soft-X-ray emission from sources such as white\n\t    dwarfs, cataclysmic variable stars and flare stars. It will also\n\t    search nearby space for such exotic objects as isolated neutron\n\t    stars and gamma-ray bursters. ALEXIS is a project of Los Alamos\n\t    National Laboratory and is primarily a technology development\n\t    mission that uses astrophysical sources to demonstrate the\n\t    technology. Contact project investigator Jeffrey J Bloch\n\t    (jjb@beta.lanl.gov) for more information.\n\n\to Wind [Aug, Delta II rocket]\n\t    Satellite to measure solar wind input to magnetosphere.\n\n\to Space Radar Lab [Sep, STS-60 SRL-01]\n\t    Gather radar images of Earth's surface.\n\n\to Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer [Dec, Pegasus rocket]\n\t    Study of Stratospheric ozone.\n\n\to SFU (Space Flyer Unit) [ISAS]\n\t    Conducting space experiments and observations and this can be\n\t    recovered after it conducts the various scientific and\n\t    engineering experiments. SFU is to be launched by ISAS and\n\t    retrieved by the U.S. Space Shuttle on STS-68 in 1994.\n\n    1994\n\to Polar Auroral Plasma Physics [May, Delta II rocket]\n\t    June, measure solar wind and ions and gases surrounding the\n\t    Earth.\n\n\to IML-2 (STS) [NASDA, Jul 1994 IML-02]\n\t    International Microgravity Laboratory.\n\n\to ADEOS [NASDA]\n\t    Advanced Earth Observing Satellite.\n\n\to MUSES-B (Mu Space Engineering Satellite-B) [ISAS]\n\t    Conducting research on the precise mechanism of space structure\n\t    and in-space astronomical observations of electromagnetic waves.\n\n    1995\n\tLUNAR-A [ISAS]\n\t    Elucidating the crust structure and thermal construction of the\n\t    moon's interior.\n\n\n    Proposed Missions:\n\to Advanced X-ray Astronomy Facility (AXAF)\n\t    Possible launch from shuttle in 1995, AXAF is a space\n\t    observatory with a high resolution telescope. It would orbit for\n\t    15 years and study the mysteries and fate of the universe.\n\n\to Earth Observing System (EOS)\n\t    Possible launch in 1997, 1 of 6 US orbiting space platforms to\n\t    provide long-term data (15 years) of Earth systems science\n\t    including planetary evolution.\n\n\to Mercury Observer\n\t    Possible 1997 launch.\n\n\to Lunar Observer\n\t    Possible 1997 launch, would be sent into a long-term lunar\n\t    orbit. The Observer, from 60 miles above the moon's poles, would\n\t    survey characteristics to provide a global context for the\n\t    results from the Apollo program.\n\n\to Space Infrared Telescope Facility\n\t    Possible launch by shuttle in 1999, this is the 4th element of\n\t    the Great Observatories program. A free-flying observatory with\n\t    a lifetime of 5 to 10 years, it would observe new comets and\n\t    other primitive bodies in the outer solar system, study cosmic\n\t    birth formation of galaxies, stars and planets and distant\n\t    infrared-emitting galaxies\n\n\to Mars Rover Sample Return (MRSR)\n\t    Robotics rover would return samples of Mars' atmosphere and\n\t    surface to Earch for analysis. Possible launch dates: 1996 for\n\t    imaging orbiter, 2001 for rover.\n\n\to Fire and Ice\n\t    Possible launch in 2001, will use a gravity assist flyby of\n\t    Earth in 2003, and use a final gravity assist from Jupiter in\n\t    2005, where the probe will split into its Fire and Ice\n\t    components: The Fire probe will journey into the Sun, taking\n\t    measurements of our star's upper atmosphere until it is\n\t    vaporized by the intense heat. The Ice probe will head out\n\t    towards Pluto, reaching the tiny world for study by 2016.\n\n\nNEXT: FAQ #12\/15 - Controversial questions\n","60":"From: blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca (Jason Blakey)\nSubject: FTP sites anyone?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca\nOrganization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada\nLines: 7\n\n    Hello netters:)  Does anyone out there know any FTP sites for projects,\nplans, etc of an electrical nature?  \n\n-Jason\n-- \n ............................................................................ \n                      Jason Blakey -> blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca \n","61":"From: bill@west.msi.com (Bill Poitras)\nSubject: Re: Automated X testing\nReply-To: bill@msi.com\nOrganization: Molecular Simulations Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 27\n\nMark D. Collier (mark@trident.datasys.swri.edu) wrote:\n: Does anyone know what is available in terms of automated testing\n: of X\/Motif applications. I am thinking of a system which I could\n: program (or which could record events\/output) with our verification\n: test procedures and then run\/rerun each time we do regression\n: testing. I am interested in a product like this for our UNIX\n: projects and for a separate project which will be using OpenVMS.\n\nA question like this is answered in the FAQ, about sharing X windows.\nOne of the answers is XTrap, a record and playback extenstion to X.  You\ncan find it at export.lcs.mit.edu:\/contrib\/XTrapV33_X11R5.tar.Z.\n\nDoes anyone know of a program which doesn't require an X extension?  Most\nthe the X servers we have at work have vendor extensions which we can't\nmodify, so XTrap doesn't help up.  There is X conferencing software at\nmit, but I don't know how easy it would be to modify it to do record and\nplayback.\n\nAny help would be appreciated.\n--\n+-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+\n| Bill Poitras      | Molecular Simulations Inc. | Tel (408)522-9229      |\n| bill@msi.com      | Sunnyvale, CA 94086-3522   | FAX (408)732-0831      |\n+-------------------+----------------------------+------------------------+\n|FTP Mail           |mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com | Offers:ftp via email   |\n|                   |Subject:<CR>help<CR>quit    |                        |\n+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n","62":"From: billd@informix.com (William Daul)\nSubject: Toshiba 3401 E and P CD-ROM\nSummary: need info on what difference is and where to find 3401P or E\nKeywords: toshiba, cd, cd-rom, cd rom\nOrganization: Informix Software, Inc.\nLines: 10\n\nI notice the Toshiba 3401 has 3 versions, B - internal, E - external and P -\nportable.  Can anyone tell me the difference between the portable and the\nexternal version?  Where in the SF Bay Area can I find a model P?\n\nThanks,  --Bill\n-- \n%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%\n William Daul             Advanced Support      INFORMIX SOFTWARE INC.\n 4100 Bohannon Dr.        (415) 926-6488 - wk\n Menlo Park, CA. 94025    uunet!infmx!billd  or  billd@informix.com\n","63":"From: AGRGB@ASUACAD.BITNET\nSubject: Re: CDs priced for immediate sale\nArticle-I.D.: ASUACAD.93096.004253AGRGB\nOrganization: Arizona State University\nLines: 10\n\nHey now,\n\nThe following cds are still available. Offers\/trades considered.\n\nGowan - Lost Brotherhood\nKatrina & the Waves - Break of Hearts\nJoe Cocker - Live\nCharles Neville - Diversity\n\nThanks,  Rich\n","64":"From: sjp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (Steve Phillips)\nSubject: Re: Ford and the automobile\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1.3 PL5\nLines: 14\n\n: Ford and his automobile.  I need information on whether Ford is\n: partially responsible for all of the car accidents and the depletion of\n: the ozone layer.  Also, any other additional information will be greatly\n: appreciated.  Thanks. \n: \nSSSSSoooooooooooo!!!!! Its all HIS fault!! Thank God Louis Chevrolet is \ninnocent! and that guy Diesel, HE otto feel guilty!\n\n\n--\nStephen Phillips\nAtlanta Response Center\nAtlanta, Ga.\nHome of the Braves!\n","65":"From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami)\nSubject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism\nOrganization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre\nLines: 37\nDistribution: sfnet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi\n\n[deletions...]\n\nIn <1993Apr13.184227.1191@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n\n>I really don't think you can imagine what it is like to be infinite.\n\nFirst of all, infinity is a mathematical concept created by humans\nto explain certain things in a certain way. We don't know if it actually\napplies to reality, we don't know if anything in the world is infinite.\n\n>It wouldn't be able to\n>comprehend what reality is like for the programmer, because that would\n>require an infinite memory or whatever because reality is continuous and\n>based on infinietely small units- no units.\n\nYou don't know if the universe is actually continuous. Continuum is another\nmathematical concept (based on infinity) used to explain things in a certain\nway.\n\n>Because humans do not know what infinite is.  We call it something\n>beyond numbers.  We call it endless, but we do not know what it is.\n\nI have a pretty good idea of what infinity is. It's a man-made concept, and\nlike many man-made concepts, it has evolved through time. Ancient Greeks had\na different understanding of it.\n\n>So, we can call Allah infinitely powerful, knowledgeable, etc.., yet we\n>cannot imagine what Allah actually is, because we just cannot imagine\n>what it is like to be infinite.\n\nPrecicely. We don't even know if infinity applies to reality.\n\n-- \nSami Aario         |  \"Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode\na137490@cc.tut.fi  |   one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms.\"\n-------------------'  \"Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!\"\nEros in \"Plan 9 From Outer Space\"     DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros.\n","66":"From: sethf@athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein)\nSubject: Re: The source of that announcement\nOrganization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: frumious-bandersnatch.mit.edu\n\nAlso note (from <branstad@tis.com> and <walker@tis.com>):\n\n% whois -h rs.internic.net tis-dom\nTrusted Information Systems, Inc. (TIS-DOM)\n   3060 Washington Road, Route 97\n   Glenwood, MD 21738\n\n   Domain Name: TIS.COM\n\n   Administrative Contact:\n      Walker, Stephen T.  (STW3)  walker@TIS.COM\n      (301) 854-6889\n   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:\n      Dalva, David I.  (DID1)  dave@TIS.COM\n      (301) 854-6889\n\n   Record last updated on 02-Jul-92.\n\n   Domain servers in listed order:\n\n   TIS.COM                      192.33.112.100\n   LA.TIS.COM                   192.5.49.8\n\n\tAnd \"dockmaster\" is an infamous address ...\n\n--\nSeth Finkelstein                                sethf@athena.mit.edu\n\"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions\"\n","67":"From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe)\nSubject: Re: ATF suspects drug lab in compound\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu\n\n>In article <1993Mar28.180629.21574@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes:\n>>A Associated Press News story 3\/28\/93 reports:\n>> \n>>\"    In other developments Saturday, David Troy, intelligence chief for\n>>the ATF, confirmed reports that authorities suspected the cult had a\n>>methamphetamine lab.  He said evidence of possible drug activity\n>>surfaced late in the ATF' investigation of the cult's gun dealings.\n\nWow, the scope of the mission of the ATF continues to expand.  Besides\nAlcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, they now seem to be involded in Child\nProtective Services, Drug Enforcement and Tax Evasion.\n\nThey look to be on the road to being the nations *boys in blue*!\nNo Knock in one hand, M-16 in the other.  Zeik-Heil!!!\n\nLance\n\n\n\n-- \n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n|  Lance W. Bledsoe        lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu        (512) 258-0112  |\n|  \"Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free.\"         |\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n","68":"From: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask)\nSubject: Re: islamic authority over women\nReply-To: chrisb@seachg.com (Chris Blask)\nOrganization: Me, Mississauga, Ontario, Canada\nLines: 78\n\nsnm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr7.163445.1203@wam.umd.edu> west@next02.wam.umd.edu writes:\n>>> >> And belief causes far more horrors.\n>>> >> Crusades, \n>>> >> the emasculation and internment of Native Americans,  \n>>> >> the killing of various tribes in South America.\n>>> >-the Inquisition\n>>> >-the Counter-reformation and the wars that followed\n>>> >-the Salem witch trials\n>>> >-the European witch hunts\n>>> >-the holy wars of the middle east\n>>> >-the colonization\/destruction of Africa\n>>> >-the wars between Christianity and Islam (post crusade)\n>>> >-the genocide (biblical) of the Canaanites and Philistines\n>>> >-Aryian invasion of India\n>>> >-the attempted genocide of Jews by Nazi Germany\n>>> >-the current missionary assaults on tribes in Africa\n>>> \n>>> I think all the horrors you mentioned are due to *lack* of people\n>>> following religion.\n.d.\n>By lack of people following religion I also include fanatics- people\n>that don't know what they are following.\n.d.\n>So how do you know that you were right?\n>Why are you trying to shove down my throat that religion causes horrors.\n>It really covers yourself- something false to save yourself.\n>\n>Peace,\n>\n>Bobby Mozumder\n>\nI just thought of another one, in the Bible, so it's definately not because\nof *lack* of religion.  The Book of Esther (which I read the other day for\nother reasons) describes the origin of Pur'im, a Jewish celbration of joy\nand peace.  The long and short of the story is that 75,000 people were\nkilled when people were tripping over all of the peacefull solutions \nlying about (you couldn't swing a sacred cow without slammin into a nice,\npeaceful solution.)  'Course Joshua and the jawbone of an ass spring to\nmind...\n\nI agree with Bobby this far: religion as it is used to kill large numbers\nof people is usually not used in the form or manner that it was originally\nintended for.\n\nThat doesn't reduce the number of deaths directly caused by religion, it is\njust a minor observation of the fact that there is almost nothing pure in\nthe Universe.  The very act of honestly attempting to find true meaning in\nreligious teaching has many times inspired hatred and led to war.  Many\npeople have been led by religious leaders more involved in their own\nstomache-contentsthan in any absolute truth, and have therefore been driven to\nkill by their leaders.\n\nThe point is that there are many things involved in religion that often\nlead to war.  Whether these things are a part of religion, an unpleasant\nside effect or (as Bobby would have it) the result of people switching\nbetween Religion and Atheism spontaneously, the results are the same.  \n\n@Religious groups have long been involved in the majority of the bloodiest\nparts of Man's history.@\n\nAtheists, on the other hand (preen,preen) are typically not an ideological\nsocial caste, nor are they driven to organize and spread their beliefs.\nThe overuse of Nazism and Stalinism just show how true this is:  Two groups\nwith very clear and specific ideologies using religious persecution to\nfurther their means.  Anyone who cannot see the obvious - namely that these\nwere groups founded for reasons *entirely* their own, who used religious\npersecution not because of any belief system but because it made them more\npowerfull - is trying too hard.  Basically, Bobby uses these examples\nbecause there are so few wars that were *not* *specifically* fought over\nreligion that he does not have many choices.\n\nWell, I'm off to Key West where the only flames are heating the bottom of\nlittle silver butter-dishes.\n\n-ciao\n\n-chris blask\n","69":"From: suresh@pa.dec.com (Suresh Balasubramanian)\nSubject: *****Twin Size Mattress\/BoxSprng\/Frame for SALE $75*****\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nLines: 29\nDistribution: ba\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tmax4.pa.dec.com\n\n\n!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*!\n\n\tTwin Size - Mattress, Box Spring and Frame for SALE.\n\n\t** Medico-Pedic [type of mattress?]\n\t** Excellent condition\n        ** 2 yrs old\n\t** Well maintained\n\t\n\t-- You come and pick it up, stuff is located in PaloAlto\n\n\tAsking for: $75\n\n\n\tContact:\n\n\t\tSuresh\n\t\t(415)-617-3522 [W]\n\t\t(415)-324-9553 [H]\n\t\tE-Mail: suresh@pa.dec.com\n\n\n!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*-!-!-*-!-*!\n-- \n      o o o o o o o . . .   ______________________________ _____=======_||____\n    o      _____           ||Suresh Balasubramanian      | |suresh@pa.dec.com|\n  .][__n_n_|DD[  ====_____  |Digital Equipment Corp.     | | (415) 617-3522  |\n >(________|__|_[_________]_|____________________________|_|_________________|\n","70":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Re: Jews in LATVIA - some documents\nArticle-I.D.: zuma.9304052018\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 407\n\nIn article <C4zvvG.50D@unix.amherst.edu> nwbernst@unix.amherst.edu (Neil Bernstein) writes:\n\n: Pardon me? Here is to an amherst-clown:\n: \n: \"Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders\n:  of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged \n:  massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is\n:  intolerable.\n\n>This is about Armenia.\n\nWere you expecting a different response? Here is another one:\n\nSource: K. S. Papazian, \"Patriotism Perverted,\" Baikar Press, Boston, 1934, \n        (73 pages with Appendix).\n\np. 25 (third paragraph)\n\n\"Some real fighters sprang up from among the people, who struck terror\n into the hearts of the Turks.\"\n\n\n\"Within a few months after the war began, these Armenian guerrilla\n forces, operating in close coordination with the Russians, were\n savagely attacking Turkish cities, towns and villages in the east,\n massacring their inhabitants without mercy, while at the same time\n working to sabotage the Ottoman army's war effort by destroying roads\n and bridges, raiding caravans, and doing whatever else they could to\n ease Russian occupation. The atrocities committed by the Armenian \n volunteer forces accompanying the Russian army were so severe that the \n Russian commanders themselves were compelled to withdraw them from the \n fighting fronts and sent them to rear guard duties. The memoirs of many\n Russian officers who served in the east at this time are filled with \n accounts of the revolting atrocities committed by these Armenian \n guerrillas, which were savage even by relatively primitive standards of\n war then observed in such areas.[1]\"\n\n[1] \"Journal de Guerre du Deuxieme d'Artillerie de Forteresse Russe \n     d'Erzeroum,\" 1919, p. 28.\n\n: >honored me by reproducing my text.  Unfortunately, he has still not produced\n: >the \"documents\" on \"Jews in LATVIA.\"  Instead, he asks for my views on the\n: >\"Turkish Genocide.\"  Well, that debate seems to be going on in a few hundred\n: >other threads.  I'll let other people bring the usual charges, try to debunk\n: >Mutlu\/Argic\/Cosar (a net-wide Terrorism Triangle?) and their spurious evidence.\n: \n: When that does ever happen, look out the window to see if there is a\n: non-fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government in the East. Now, where is\n: your non-existent list of scholars? What a moronian. During the First \n: World War and the ensuing years - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship \n: through a premeditated and systematic genocide, tried to complete its \n: centuries-old policy of annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by \n: savagely murdering 2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from \n: their 1,000 year homeland.\n\n>This paragraph is well-written and interesting, Serdar baby, but it has nothing\n>to do with Jews in LATVIA.  I have not presented a list of scholars.  \n\nHow could you? Because there is none.\n\n>I am not\n>interested in an ex-Soviet (why do you write x-?  It's very cute) Armenian\n>Government, non-fascist or otherwise.  You are not responding to what I am\n>writing.  Instead, you are autoposting your own particular brand of bullshit.\n\nLike conversing with a brick wall. And you are not responding to what I \nam writing. By the way, that \"bullshit\" is justly regarded as the first \ninstance of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.\nFor nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people lived \non their homeland - the last one hundred under the oppressive Soviet \nand Armenian occupation. The persecutions culminated in 1914: The \nArmenian Government planned and carried out a Genocide against its \nMuslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were murdered and the \nremainder driven out of their homeland. After one thousand years, \nTurkish and Kurdish lands were empty of Turks and Kurds. \n\nThe survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye.\n\nToday, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and \nKurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia.\n\nToday, x-Soviet Armenia covers up the genocide perpetrated by its \npredecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against \nhumanity.\n\nx-Soviet Armenia must pay for its crime of genocide against the Muslims \nby admitting to the crime and making reparations to the Turks and Kurds.\n\n>You have now done so four times in a row.  May I legitimately conclude that\n>you are not, indeed, a regular net-user, but an auto-posting computer program?\n>(which, for convenience, I have called MUTLU.EXE.)\n\nYou may assert whatever you wish.\n\n>Here we go with MUTLU.EXE's famed list of sources:\n\nDitto.\n\n: The attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance\n: of Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.\n: This event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government\n: and international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark \n: Bristol, ...\n\n>(and on and on for 46 lines)\n\nAnd still anxiously awaiting...\n\n: .......so the list goes on and on and on.....\n: \n: >I'm still trying to find out about those Jews in LATVIA.  Can you post those \n: >documents PLEEEEEEEASE, Mr. Argic?  Puh-leeze could you?  C'mon, it's my\n: >birthday in three weeks... post them for me as a birthday present.\n: \n: Remember, the issue at hand is the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million \n: Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914-1920, and the Armenian-Nazi \n: collaboration during World War II. Anything to add?\n\n>No, darling, READ what I post!  Other people are asking you about the Turkish\n>genocide.  I am asking you to produce the documents on Jews in Latvia.  No\n>matter how many times you erase what I post, I will still post the same\n>question.  Post the documents on Jews in Latvia.  Do not autopost the same\n>block of text about the Turkish genocide.  \n\nRemember, the issue at hand is the Armenian-Nazi collaboration during \nWorld War II and the Turkish Genocide. And I still fail to see how\nyou can challenge the following western sources.\n\nSource: John Dewey: \"The New Republic,\" Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9.\n\n\"Happy the minority [Jews] which has had no Christian nation to protect it.\n And one recalls that the Jews took up their abode in 'fanatic' Turkey\n when they were expelled from Europe, especially Spain, by Saintly Christians,\n and they have lived here for centuries in at least as much tranquility and\n liberty as their fellow Turkish subjects, all being exposed alike to the\n rapacity of their common rulers. To one brought up, as most Americans have \n been, in the Gladstonian and foreign-missionary tradition, the condition of \n the Jews in Turkey is almost a mathematical demonstration that religious\n differences have had an influence in the tragedy of Turkey only as they\n were combined with aspirations for a political separation which every \n nation in the world would have treated as treasonable. One readily \n reaches the conclusion that the Jews in Turkey were fortunate...\" \n\nHe also stated that:\n\n\"they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian \n invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and\n fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least\n a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population.\"\n\n: >I want the documents of Jews in Latvia.  I think several other\n: >people on soc.culture.greek are already disputing with you about the Turkish\n: >Genocide.\n: \n: Is this the joke of the month? Who, when, how, where? What a clown...\n\n>No, sweetie, the joke of the month is that you have now posted the same\n>block of text four times, but you still have not produced the documents on\n>Jews in Latvia.  Instead, you post the same text you post in every other\n>message, that same old McCarthy table: (how appropriate it's named \"McCarthy!\")\n\nHow about Prof Shaw, a Jewish scholar?\n\nSource: Stanford J. Shaw, on Armenian collaboration with invading Russian\narmies in 1914, \"History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey (Volume\nII: Reform, Revolution & Republic: The Rise of Modern Turkey, 1808-1975).\"\n(London, Cambridge University Press 1977). pp. 315-316.\n\n\"In April 1915 Dashnaks from Russian Armenia organized a revolt in the city \n of Van, whose 33,789 Armenians comprised 42.3 percent of the population, \n closest to an Armenian majority of any city in the Empire...Leaving Erivan \n on April 28, 1915, Armenian volunteers reached Van on May 14 and organized \n and carried out a general slaughter of the local Muslim population during \n the next two days while the small Ottoman garrison had to retreat to the\n southern side of the lake.\"\n\n\"Knowing their numbers would never justify their territorial ambitions,\n Armenians looked to Russia and Europe for the fulfillment of their aims.\n Armenian treachery in this regard culminated at the beginning of the First\n World War with the decision of the revolutionary organizations to refuse\n to serve their state, the Ottoman Empire, and to assist instead other\n invading Russian armies. Their hope was their participation in the Russian\n success would be rewarded with an independent Armenian state carved out of\n Ottoman territories. Armenian political leaders, army officers, and common\n soldiers began deserting in droves.\"\n\n\"With the Russian invasion of eastern Anatolia in 1914 at the beginning of\n World War I, the degree of Armenian collaboration with the Ottoman's enemy\n increased drastically. Ottoman supply lines were cut by guerilla attacks,\n Armenian revolutionaries armed Armenian civil populations, who in turn\n massacred the Muslim population of the province of Van in anticipation of\n expected arrival of the invading Russian armies.\"\n\nSource: Stanford J. Shaw, \"History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey,\"\n        Vol II. Cambridge University Press, London, 1979, pp. 314-317.\n\n\"...Meanwhile, Czar Nicholas II himself came to the Caucasus to make final\n plans for cooperation with the Armenians against the Ottomans, with the \n president of the Armenian National Bureau in Tiflis declaring in response:\n\n 'From all countries Armenians are hurrying to enter the ranks of the \n  glorious Russian Army, with their blood to serve the victory of Russian\n  arms...Let the Russian flag wave freely over the Dardanelles and the\n  Bosporus. Let, with Your will, great Majesty, the peoples remaining\n  under the Turkish yoke receive freedom. Let the Armenian people of Turkey\n  who have suffered for the faith of Christ receive resurrection for a new\n  free life under the protection of Russia.'[155]\n\nArmenians again flooded into the czarist armies. Preparations were made\nto strike the Ottomans from the rear, and the czar returned to St. Petersburg\nconfident that the day finally had come for him to reach Istanbul.\"\n\n[155] Horizon, Tiflis, November 30, 1914, quoted by Hovannisian, \"Road to\nIndependence,\" p. 45; FO 2485, 2484\/46942, 22083.\n\n\"Ottoman morale and military position in the east were seriously hurt, and\n the way was prepared for a new Russian push into eastern Anatolia, to be\n accompanied by an open Armenian revolt against the sultan.[156]\"\n\n[156] Hovannisian, \"Road to Independence,\" pp. 45-47; Bayur, III\/1, \npp. 349-380; W.E.D. Allen and P. Muratoff, \"Caucasian Battlefields,\"\nCambridge, 1953, pp. 251-277; Ali Ihsan Sabis, \"Harb Hahralaram,\" 2 vols.,\nAnkara, 1951, II, 41-160; FO 2146 no. 70404; FO 2485; FO 2484, nos.\n46942 and 22083.\n\n\"An Armenian state was organized at Van under Russian protection, and it \n appeared that with the Muslim natives dead or driven away, it might be\n able to maintain itself at one of the oldest centers of ancient Armenian\n civilization. An Armenian legion was organized 'to expel the Turks from\n the entire southern shore of the lake in preparation for a concerted\n Russian drive into the Bitlis vilayet.'[162] Thousands of Armenians from\n Mus and other major centers in the east began to flood into the new \n Armenian state...By mid-July there were as many as 250,000 Armenians\n crowded into the Van area, which before the crisis had housed and fed\n no more than 50,000 people, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.[163]\"\n\n[162] Hovannisian, \"Road to Independence,\" p. 56; FOP 2488, nos. 127223 and\n58350.\n\n[163] BVA, Meclis-i Vukela Mazbatalari, debates of August 15-17, 1915; \nBabi-i Ali Evrak Odasi, no. 175, 321, \"Van Ihtilali ve Katl-i Ami,\"\nZilkade 1333\/10 September 1915.\n\n:     Muslim population exterminated by the Armenians:\n\n>(31 lines deleted)\n\nWhy?\n\n: Who gives a thunder about your pseudo-scholar jokes? I'am arguing about \n: the Armenian-Nazi colaboration during World War II. Any comment?\n\n>Argue it with someone else or do not reply to my posts, Argic my love.  I \n>am not arguing about the Armenian-Nazi collaboration.  I do not give a \n>thunder about it.  I want you to do one of three things:\n>a) admit that you are not a regular user, but a computer autoposting Turkish\n>propaganda, or,\n>b) post the documents on Jews in Latvia, or,\n>c) run away, like the coward without a real address that you are, and do not\n>reply to my posts.\n\nIt could be, perhaps, your head wasn't screwed on just right. In 1941, \nwhile the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi concentration \ncamps, the Armenian volunteers in Germany formed the first Armenian \nbattalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion had \ngrown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of the\nformer guerilla leader Dro (the butcher), who was the former dictator of the\nshort-lived Armenian Dictatorship (1918-1920) and the architect of the \ncold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920.\nAn Armenian National Council was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party \nleaders in Berlin, which was recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by \nthis, the Armenians summarily formed a provisional government that endorsed \nand espoused fully the principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the \nmembers of the Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of \nextermination of the Jews.\n\nThis Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an \"encore\"\nperformance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and\nexterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army.\n\nFurthermore, as McCarthy put it, the Armenian dictatorship was granted\na respite when the Ottomans admitted defeat and signed the Mudros\nArmistice with the Allies (October 30, 1918). The Allies had decided\nto create a Greater Armenia, including the old Russian province\nof Yerevan and adjoining areas, as well as most parts of Anatolia\nclaimed by the Armenian fanatics. Only the area called Cilicia\n(around the Ottoman province of Adana) was to be excluded, as it\nhad already been claimed by the French. The Allies quickly set\nabout attempting to disarm Ottoman soldiers and other Turks, who\ncould be expected to oppose their plans. \n\nOn April 19, 1919 the British Army occupied Kars, gave civilian\nand military power over to the Armenians, then withdrew. The British\nplanned for Kars to be included in the Armenian Dictatorship, even \nthough the Russian pre-war census had shown Kars Province to be over\n60% Muslim. The Turks of Kars were effectively disarmed, but the \nBritish could not disarm the Kurds of the mountains. The fate of\nthe Turks was almost an exact replica of what had occurred earlier\nin Eastern Anatolia. Murder, pillage, genocide and the destruction\nof Turkish homes and entire Turkish villages drove the Turks of\nKars to the mountains or south and west to the safety afforded\nby remaining units of the Ottoman Army. The British had left \nthe scene to the Armenian genocide squads. Therefore, few \nEuropeans were present to observe the genocide. One British\nsoldier, Colonel Rawlinson, who was assigned to supervise the\ndisarmament of Otoman soldiers, saw what was occurring. \n\nRawlinson wired to his superiors, \n\n\"in the interest of humanity the Armenians should not be left in\n independent command of the Moslim population, as, their troops \n being without discipline and not being under effective control,\n atrocities were constantly being committed.\" \n\n>Instead, you post more Armenian nonsense:\n\nCome again?\n\n: \"These European Dashnags, with headquarters in Berlin, appealed to...\n>(34 lines deleted)\n\nWhy?\n\n: No wonder you are in such a mess. Here are the Armenian sources on the\n: Turkish Holocaust.\n>(30+ lines deleted) \n\nWhy?\n\n>(list of dead Armenians, 100+ lines, deleted): \n\nObrother. Spell it out, \"list of dead Muslims\":\n\nSource: Documents: Volume I (1919).\n        \"Document No: 64,\" Archive No: 1\/2, Cabin No: 109, Drawer \n        No: 4, File No: 359, Section No: 103(1435), Contents No: 3-20.\n        (To Acting Supreme Command - Socialist Salah Cimcoz, Socialist \n        Nesim Mazelyah)\n\n\"Armenian gangs have been murdering and inflicting cruelties on\n innocent people of the region. This verified information, supported\n by clear statements of reliable eyewitnesses, was also confirmed by\n General Odishelidje, Commander of the Russian Caucasian Army.\n\n Armenians are entering every place evacuated by Russians carrying out\n murders, cruelties, rape and all kind of atrocities which cannot be\n expressed in writing, murdering all the women, children, aged people\n who happen to be in the street. These barbarous murders repeated \n every day with new methods continue and the Russian Army has been urged\n to intervene to terminate these atrocities. Public opinion is appalled\n and horrified. Newspapers are describing the happenings as shocking.\n We have decided to inform all our friends urgently about the situation.\"\n\n        \"Document No: 65,\" Archive No: 4\/3671, Cabin No: 163, Drawer \n        No: 5, File No: 2947, Section No: 628, Contents No: 3-1, 3-3.\n        (To Acting Supreme Command - Commander, 3rd Army General)\n\n\"The situation in the cities of Erzincan and Erzurum which we have \n recently taken over is given below:\n\n These two beautiful cities of our country which are alike in the\n calamities and destruction which they suffered, have been destroyed,\n as the specially designed and built public and private buildings of\n these cities were deliberately burnt by Armenians apart from the \n destruction suffered during the two-year Russian occupation.\n\n All barracks buildings of Erzincan, the cavalry barracks in Erzurum,\n the Government building and Army Corps Headquarters are among those\n burnt. In short, both cities are burnt, destroyed and trees cut down.\n\n As to the people of these cities:\n\n All people old enough to use weapons rounded up, taken to the Sarikamis\n direction for road building and were slaughtered. The remaining people,\n were subject to cruelties and murder by Armenians following the \n withdrawal of Russians and were partly annihilated the corpses thrown \n into wells, burnt in houses, mutilated by bayonets, their abdomens\n ripped open in slaughterhouses, their lungs and livers torn out, girls\n and women hung up by their hair, after all kinds of devilish acts.\n The few people who were able to survive these cruelties, worse than\n those of the 'Spanish Inquisition,' are in poverty more dead than alive,\n horrified, some driven insane, about 1500 in Erzincan and 30,000 in\n Erzurum. The people are hungry and in poverty, for whatever they had\n has been taken away from them, their lands left uncultivated.\n\n The people have just been able to exist with some provisions found in\n stores left over from the Russians. The villages round Erzincan and \n Erzurum are in the worst condition. Some villages on the road, have \n been leveled to the ground, leaving no stone, the people completely\n massacred.\n\n Let me submit to your information with deep grief and regret that\n history has never before witnessed cruelties at such dimensions.\"\n\n:  (a long list)\n:  (a long list)\"\n\nAnd still anxiously awaiting...\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n","71":"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nNntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.051701.3419@nuscc.nus.sg> matmcinn@nuscc.nus.sg (Matthew MacIntyre at the National University of Senegal) writes:\n>callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:\n>: >> \n>: >I'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if \n>: >you would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your\n>: >alarm?  I can think of worse things in the world.  Glad you got out of there\n>: >before they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.\n>: \n>I think people have a right to kill to defend their property. Why not? Be\n>honest: do you really care more about scum than about your  car?\n\nYo! Watch the attributions--I didn't say that!\n\nAgain, this isn't an appropriate forum for discussions on whether you\nshould shoot someone for property damage\/vandalism\/theft, but every\nresponsible gun owner realizes that there are limits, and the punishment\nmust fit the crime. I mean, think about it--is a (really) harmless\nprank worth killing over?\n\nAs I said, the situation described (punks setting off alarms and\ntaunting people to come out) could turn very ugly very quickly, and\nit is worth being prepared when your life is potentially on the line.\n\n\t\t\t\tJames\n\nJames P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center \nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   \/\\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu   \nDISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC\n   \"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has \n\tand all he's ever gonna have.\" \n\t\t\t--Will Munny, \"Unforgiven\"\n","72":"From: harry@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov (Harry Langenbacher)\nSubject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply\nArticle-I.D.: jato.1993Apr15.225326.22831\nOrganization: JPL Pasadena CA\nLines: 25\nNntp-Posting-Host: neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <NURDEN1.25.734866568@elaine.ee.und.ac.za> NURDEN1@elaine.ee.und.ac.za (Dale Nurden) writes:\n>I'm wanting to build a simple UPS for my PC. ... sustain the computer long enough to complete \n>the current task and save, 5 to 10 minutes should be enough....\n>I think, though I don't really need to keep the monitor active (I can try to \n>remember what to do) so maybe I can avoid a DC-AC inverter and just use a \n>battery to directly supply the motherboard and peripherals.\n\nNow there's a good idea ! All you need is 20 amps DC for a few minutes, and\na good (wetware) memory (was I using wp or autocad or ...). I thought of the\nsame idea myself a few days ago. I've got a fairly new car battery that I take\nalong in my 4x4 when I go camping, and it sits around useless when I'm home.\nI wish I could get a batteryless ups to use it with, or use it with a heavy\nduty 5-volt regulator to supply the PC. But I guess you'd need -5v and -12v \n(and +12) too (2 more batteries ?).\n\nAn alternative would be to leave a 40 AMP battery charger hooked up to the battery\nand run a 12vdc to 110vac converter running all the time, and when the power\ngoes out, voi-la ! the 110vac converter keeps on running off the battery ! and\nthen I could take the 110vac converter and my computer on the camping trips !-)\n\n\n-- \nHarry Langenbacher 818-354-9513 harry%neuron6@jpl-mil.jpl.nasa.gov\nFAX 818-393-4540, Concurrent Processing Devices Group, Jet Propulsion\nLaboratory, M\/S 302-231, 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109 USA\n","73":"From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr)\nSubject: Re: Changing oil by self.\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nKeywords: n\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.171718.18852@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> sheinfel@ssd.comm.mot.com (Aviad Sheinfeld) writes:\n>\n>>\tDo you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable\n>>bit ) to turn it out?  If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too\n>>tight, is it safe without oil leak?\n>\n>Tighten the bolt to the specified torque in your service manual.  That\n>way it won't leak, strip, break, etc. (hopefully :-) )\n>>\n>>Thank you very much in advance------  Winson\n>\n>Aviad\n\nYou can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in\nplace of the bolt.  I have one on both of my cars.  There have been no\nleaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).\n-- \nRon DeBlock  rdb1@homxb.att.com  (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l)\nAT&T Bell Labs   Somerset, NJ  USA\n","74":"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) \nSubject: SIMM Speed\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA\nReply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) \nLines: 27\n\nB\nBK>Is it possible to plug in 70ns or 60ns SIMMs into a motherboard saying\nBK>wants 80ns simms? \n\nYou shouldn't have troubles.  I have heard of machines having problems \nwith slower than recommended memory speeds, but never faster.  \n\nBK>Also, is it possible to plug in SIMMs of different\nBK>speeds into the same motherboard?  ie - 2 megs of 70ns and 2 megs of 6\nBK>or something like that?\n\nSure.  I have 4 70ns SIMMs in one bank and 4 60ns SIMMS in the other ( I \nhave a 486 ).  I wouldn't recommend mixing speeds within a bank, just to \nbe on the safe side.\n\n-rdd    \nrdesonia@erim.org\n\n---\n . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy\n * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959\n                                                      \n----\n| HAL 9000 BBS:  QWK-to-Usenet gateway  | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins    |\n| FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups!  | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail |\n| Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959      +--------------------------------+\n| Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD  * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 |\n","75":"From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)\nSubject: Re: Trace size for a 15 Amp supply\nOrganization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 12\n\nR.G. Keen (rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com) wrote:\n: A quick and dirty way to get higher current carrying capacity\n: on PC board traces for one- or few-of-a-kind boards is to\n: strip some #14 Romex house wiring cable to bare copper, form\n: the bare copper to follow the trace, and solder it down.\n\nAnd if it's not quick and dirty, you can get bus bars that\nare stamped out with leads that insert in the PC board.\n\nMark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  markz@ssc.com  \n\n\n","76":"From: pcw@access.digex.com (Peter Wayner)\nSubject: The Old Key Registration Idea...\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nOkay, let's suppose that the NSA\/NIST\/Mykotronix Registered\nKey system becomes standard and I'm able to buy such a system\nfrom my local radio shack. Every phone comes with a built in\nchip and the government has the key to every phone call. \nI go and buy a phone and dutifully register the key. \n\nWhat's to prevent me from swapping phones with a friend or \nbuying a used phone at a garage sale? Whooa. The secret registered\nkeys just became unsynchronized. When the government comes \nto listen in, they only receive gobbledly-gook because the \nsecret key registered under my name isn't the right one. \n\nThat leads me to conjecture that:\n\n1) The system isn't that secure. There are just two master keys\nthat work for all the phones in the country. The part about\nregistering your keys is just bogus. \n\nor \n\n2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks\nlike this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to\ntown.\n\nIn either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper.\"'jbl)mW:wxlD2\n","77":"From: roger@hpscit.sc.hp.com (Roger Mullane)\nSubject: Re: 86 Acura Integra 5-speed\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard, Santa Clara, CA\nLines: 26\n\nI have a 1986 Acura Integra 5 speed with 95,000 miles on it. It is positively\nthe worst car I have ever owned. I had an 83 Prelude that had 160k miles on\nit when I sold it, and it was still going strong .  This is with religious\nattention to maintenance such as oil changes etc. Both cars were driven in\nexactly the same manner..\n\n  1. It has gone through two clutches (which are underrated.)\n  2. 3 sets of tires (really eats tires in the front even with careful align)\n  3. All struts started leaking about 25-30k miles\n  4. Windshield wiper motor burned up (service note on this one)\n  5. Seek stop working on radio about 20k miles\n  6. Two timing belts.\n  7. Constant error signals from computer.\n\n  8. And finally. A rod bearing went out on the No. 1 piston seriously damaging\n     the crankshaft, contaminating the engine etc. When the overhaul was done\n     last week it required new crankshaft, one new cam shaft (has two) because\n     the camshaft shattered when they tried to mill it. The camshaft took 4\n     weeks to get because it is on national back order. \n\n     Everything on the engine is unique to the 1986 year. They went to a new\n     design in 87. Parts are very expensive.\n\nNo way would I ever buy another Acura. It is highly overrated. .\n\n      \n","78":"From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno)\nSubject: MS-Windows access for the blind?\nOrganization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY\n\nWe are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window\nto display ~24 rows of textual data.  Is there any product for Microsoft Windows\nthat will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ??\n\nPlease email responses and I will post a summary to this group.\n\nThanks for any help\n--- John Bruno\n\n","79":"From: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nSubject: Windows Locks up with green lines down the Screen\nReply-To: branham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 18\n\nHi, I am using a dtk 386-20Mhz 13Meg memory to run a variety of\nprograms, and have had problems off and on with lock up,\nbut now I am trying to run an application that wants a lot of memory\nover a period of time (Playmation 24 bit rendered) and it is \nlocking up Everytime.  I have an ATI ultra + w\/2Meg which I have\ntried in each of the video modes, I have excluded the region of\nvideo memory from A000-C800 segments from the use of emm386,\nhave tried adjusting the swap partion from large to nonexistant (to\nprevent swapping) and I have REM'd ALL TSR's and utilities in config.syus\nand autoexec, and even tried using the default program manager, disabling\nmy HP dashboard.  even with a minimal system, no swap, no smartdrv,\nno TSR's, no windows utilities and exclusion of video regions it still\nlocks up completely (no mouse control, no response to anything except\n3finger salute, and even that does not stop by the standard windows\nscreen, but simply does a full reset immediately).  Just about out\nof ideas, anyone out there have any????  Thanks\ntom branham\nbranham@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\n","80":"From:  (Rashid)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nNntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179\nOrganization: NH\nLines: 76\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.131032.15644@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,\ndarice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote:\n> \n> It is my understanding that it is generally agreed upon by the ulema\n> [Islamic scholars] that Islamic law applies only in an Islamic country,\n> of which the UK is not.  Furthermore, to take the law into one's own\n> hands is a criminal act, as these are matters for the state, not for\n> individuals.  Nevertheless, Khomeini offered a cash prize for people to\n> take the law into their own hands -- something which, to my\n> understanding, is against Islamic law.\n\nYes, this is also my understanding of the majority of Islamic laws.\nHowever, I believe there are also certain legal rulings which, in all\nfive schools of law (4 sunni and 1 jaffari), can be levelled against\nmuslim or non-muslims, both within and outside dar-al-islam. I do\nnot know if apostasy (when accompanied by active, persistent, and\nopen hostility to Islam) falls into this category of the law. I do know\nthat\nhistorically, apostasy has very rarely been punished at all, let alone\nby the death penalty.\n\nMy understanding is that Khomeini's ruling was not based on the\nlaw of apostasy (alone). It was well known that Rushdie was an apostate\nlong before he wrote the offending novel and certainly there is no\nprecedent in the Qur'an, hadith, or in Islamic history for indiscriminantly\nlevelling death penalties for apostasy.\n\nI believe the charge levelled against Rushdie was that of \"fasad\". This\nruling applies both within and outside the domain of an\nIslamic state and it can be carried out by individuals. The reward was\nnot offered by Khomeini but by individuals within Iran.\n\n\n> Stuff deleted\n> Also, I think you are muddying the issue as you seem to assume that\n> Khomeini's fatwa was issued due to the _distribution_ of the book.  My\n> understanding is that Khomeini's fatwa was issued in response to the\n> _writing_ and _publishing_ of the book.  If my view is correct, then\n> your viewpoint that Rushdie was sentenced for a \"crime in progress\" is\n> incorrect.\n> \nI would concur that the thrust of the fatwa (from what I remember) was\nlevelled at the author and all those who assisted in the publication\nof the book. However, the charge of \"fasad\" can encompass a\nnumber of lesser charges. I remember that when diplomatic relations\nbroke off between Britain and Iran over the fatwa - Iran stressed that\nthe condemnation of the author, and the removal of the book from\ncirculation were two preliminary conditions for resolving the\n\"crisis\". But you are correct to point out that banning the book was not\nthe main thrust behind the fatwa. Islamic charges such as fasad are\nlevelled at people, not books.\n\nThe Rushdie situation was followed in Iran for several months before the\nissuance of the fatwa. Rushdie went on a media blitz,\npresenting himself as a lone knight guarding the sacred values of\nsecular democracy and mocking the foolish concerns of people\ncrazy enough to actually hold their religious beliefs as sacred. \nFanning the flames and milking the controversy to boost\nhis image and push the book, he was everywhere in the media. Then\nMuslim demonstrators in several countries were killed while\nprotesting against the book. Rushdie appeared momentarily\nconcerned, then climbed back on his media horse to once again\nattack the Muslims and defend his sacred rights. It was at this\npoint that the fatwa on \"fasad\" was issued.\n\nThe fatwa was levelled at the person of Rushdie - any actions of\nRushdie that feed the situation contribute to the legitimization of\nthe ruling. The book remains in circulation not by some independant\nwill of its own but by the will of the author and the publishers. The fatwa\nagainst the person of Rushdie encompasses his actions as well. The\ncrime was certainly a crime in progress (at many levels) and was being\nplayed out (and played up) in the the full view of the media.\n\nP.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of \"shatim\" also\napplies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella\nof the \"fasad\" ruling.\n","81":"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)\nSubject: Re: BATF\/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4\/19\nNntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.195636.17742@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes:\n>In article <C5sou8.LnB@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n>>>Watch from where?  Two miles away?  Far enough away that whatever\n>>>really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of\n>>>a humiliated agency that said (quote!) \"Enough is enough.\"\n>>\n>>Please tell me what you think would have happened had the people \n>>come out with their hands up several weeks ago.\n\nNo answer.\n\n>You didn't answer the question.  The FBI took people out of\n>camera range.  It is thus possible that they were engaging in\n>questionable activities.\n\nI do not feel like the cameras were out of range.  Cameras watched the first \nconfrontation.  Cameras watched the banners.  Cmaeras watched the final \nconfrontation with tanks.  Cameras watched the fire.  When weren't cameras \nable to watch?  When would cameras be unable to watch people coming out with \ntheir hands up?\n\n>As to your question, please tell me what you think would have happened\n>had the ATF goon squad knocked and asked politely several weeks\n>ago (as opposed to playing Rambo with a t.v. crew in tow).\n\nWell, that is what BATF should have done.  Either, Koresh would have gone \npeaceably as he has done in the past, or perhaps it was already too close \nto the apocalypse in his own mind.  It is hard to predict the actions of \na leader who would not release the children when most rational people would.\n\nNow will you answer my question up top?\n\n>\n>Drew\n>--\n>betz@gozer.idbsu.edu\n>*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho ***\n>*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights   ***\n>*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,\n>    semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium\n\n\n-- \n\n\n","82":"From: edb@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Ed Breen)\nSubject: DICTA-93\nOriginator: edb@friend.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU\nKeywords: Conference\nReply-To: edb@dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU (Ed Breen)\nOrganization: CSIRO Division of Mathematics and Statistics, Australia\nLines: 163\n\n\n                Australian Pattern Recognition Society\n\n                         2nd CALL FOR PAPERS\n\n                               DICTA-93\n\n                          2nd Conference on -\n\n         DIGITAL IMAGING COMPUTING: TECHNIQUES AND APPLICATIONS\n\n\nLocation: Macquarie Theatre\n          Macquarie University\n          Sydney\n\nDate: 8-10 December 1993.\n\n\n   DICTA-93 is the second biennial national conference of the\nAustralian Pattern Recognition Society.\n\n   This event will provide an opportunity for any persons with an\ninterest in computer vision, digital image processing\/analysis and other\naspects of pattern recognition to become informed about contemporary\ndevelopments in the area, to exchange ideas, to establish contacts and\nto share details of their own work with others.\n\n        The Following invited speakers will provide specialised\npresentations:\n\nProf Gabor T. Herman, University of Pennsylvania on Medical Imaging.\n\nProf. R.M. Hodgson, Massey University New Zealand on Computer Vision.\n\nProf. Dominique Juelin, Centre de Morphologie Mathematique, Paris on\nMathematical Morphology.\n\nProf. John Richards, Aust. Defence Force Academy, Canberra on Remote\nSensing.\n\nDr. Phillip K. Robertson, CSIRO Division of Information Technology,\nCanberra on Interactive Visualisation.\n\n\n   The conference will concentrate on (but is not limited to) the\nfollowing areas of image processing:-\n\n                * Computer Vision and Object Recognition\n                * Motion Analysis\n                * Morphology\n                * Medical Imaging\n                * Fuzzy logic and Neural Networks\n                * Image Coding\n                * Machine Vision and Robotics\n                * Enhancement and Restoration\n                * Enhancement and Restoration\n                * Visualisation\n                * Industrial Applications\n                * Software and Hardware Tools\n\n   Papers are sought for presentation at the conference and publication\nin the conference proceedings. Submission for peer review should consist\nof an extended abstract of 750-1000 words of doubled spaced text, summarizing the\ntechnical aspects of the paper and any results that will be quoted.\nFinal papers should be limited to no more than 8 pages of text and\nillustrations in camera-ready form.\n\n\n   Four (4) copies of the abstract should be sent to:\n\n\n                               DICTA-93\n                          C\/- Tony Adriaansen\n                  CSIRO - Division of Wool Technology\n                                PO Box 7\n                             Ryde NSW 2112\n                               Australia\n\n\n\n                            IMPORTANT DATES\n\n                Abstract due            - 25th June 1993\n                Acceptance notified     - 27th August 1993\n                Final paper due         - 15th October 1993\n\n\n\nSOCIAL PROGRAM:\n\nThe conference dinner will be held on the Thursday 9th of December 1993.\nOther social activities are being arranged.\n\nSituated on a beautiful harbour, Sydney has many and varied places of\ninterest. The Opera House and Harbour Bridge are just two of the well\nknown landmarks. Harbour cruises, city tours to the Blue Mountains run\ndaily. We can provide further information on request.\n\n\nACCOMMODATION:\n\nAccommodation within 15 min walking distance is available, ranging from\ncollege style to 5 star Hotel facilities. Information will be supplied\nupon request.\n\n\nCONFERENCE FEES:\n\n                        before 30th Sep.        After 30th Sep.\nAPRS Members              A$220                   A$250\nAPRS Student Members      A$120                   A$150\nOthers                    A$250                   A$280\n\nConference Dinner         A$35\non Dec 9th 1993\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------\n                ADVANCED REGISTRATION\n\nName:\nOrganisation:\nAddress\n\nPhone:\nFax:\nemail:\n\n                - I am a current Member of APRS.\n\n                - I am not a current member of APRS.\n\n                - Please send me information on accommodation.\n\n\nI enclose a cheque for\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------\n\nPlease send the above form to\n\nDICTA-93\nC\/- Tony Adriaansen\nCSIRO - Division of Wool Technology\nPO Box 7\nRyde NSW 2112\nAustralia\n\nThe cheques should be made payable to DICTA-93.\n\nFor further information contact:\n* Tony Adriaansen (02) 809 9495\n* Athula Ginigie  (02) 330 2393\n* email: dicta93@ee.uts.edu.au\n\nAPRS is a member of IAPP the International Association for Pattern\nRecognition, Inc. An affiliated member of the International Federation\nfor Information Processing.\n\n\n\n\n","83":"From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta)\nSubject: Re: Fall Comdex '93\nNntp-Posting-Host: jobe\nOrganization: Portal Communications Company\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 20\n\nDLS128@psuvm.psu.edu wrote:\n: Does anyone out there have any info on the up and coming fall comdex '93? I was\n: asked by one of my peers to get any info that might be available.  Or, could\n: anyone point me in the right direction?  Any help would be appreciated.\n\n\tIt's in Las Vegas (as always) between November 16th and 20th.\n \n\tFor more information contact: The Interface Group\n\t\t\t\t      300 First Avenue\n\t\t\t\t      Needham, MA  02194-2722\n\n\tSorry, no phone number available. Consult directory service\n\tin Massachusetts for the number (617, 508 or 413).\n\n\t-- Willy\n--\n   *    Ville V. Walveranta      Tel.\/Fax....: (510) 420-0729     ****\n   **   96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5   From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729  ***\n   ***  Oakland, CA  94611-4838  (FAXes automatically recognized)   **\n   **** USA                      Email.......: wil@shell.portal.com  *\n","84":"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)\nSubject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine.\nOrganization: clearer than blir\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu\n\nIn article <1r1vofINN871@usenet.pa.dec.com> tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!) writes:\n>\tAre there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why\n>my MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times, \n>but not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises. \n\nassuming yours is a non turbo MR2, the gruffness is characteristic of\na large inline 4 that doesn't have balance shafts.  i guess toyota\ndidn't care about \"little\" details like that when they can brag about\nthe mid engine configuration and the flashy styling.\n\nmyself, i automatically cross out any car from consideration (or\nrecommendation) which has an inline 4 larger than 2 liters and no\nbalance shafts..  it is a good rule of thumb to keep in mind if you\never want a halfway decent engine.  \n\nif the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do\nexcept to sell it and get a V6.\n\n\neliot\n","85":"From: olson@anchor.esd.sgi.com (Dave Olson)\nSubject: Re: How much should I pay for a SCSI cable (with 3 or 4 connectors)?\nOrganization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.  Mountain View, CA\nLines: 21\n\nIn <T83y2B1w164w@hub.parallan.com> danj@hub.parallan.com (Dan Jones) writes:\n| > >Also, I seem to remember a posting saying that the SCSI spec calls for\n| > >1 foot between devices on the cable, but most cables you get (internal)\n| > >don't meet the spec.\n| \n| SCSI II Draft Proposal, Rev. 10h, Section 4.2.1: Single-Ended \n| cable, which is in the Cable Requirements Section, has an \n| implementor's note: \" Stub clustering should be avoided. Stubs \n| should be spaced at least 0.3 meters apart.\"\n| \n| For the non-technical, stubs are SCSI devices. :-)\n\nHowever, also be aware that Implementor's notes are basicly\nrecommendations, they are *NOT* part of the spec.  As others have\nnoted, many vendors (including SGI) violate this.  Indeed, the main\npoint is to reduce impedance changes, and therefore reflections, and\ntherefore 'noise' on the bus.\n--\nLet no one tell me that silence gives consent,  |   Dave Olson\nbecause whoever is silent dissents.             |   Silicon Graphics, Inc.\n    Maria Isabel Barreno                        |   olson@sgi.com\n","86":"From: ralph@spss.com (Ralph Brendler)\nSubject: Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1\nOrganization: SPSS, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <1qv1rc$fcp@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, make@cs.tu-berlin.de (M. Kerkhoff) writes:\n> Hi all,\n> \n> has anybody tried to compile CTRLTEST from the MFC\/SAMPLES directory,\n> after compiling the MFC-libs with BWC ?\n> \n> Seems to me, that BWC isn't able to distinguish pointers to overloaded\n> functions.\n> For example, imagine the following 2 (overloaded) functions:\n> void same_name ( void ) \n> void same_name ( int )\n>  \n> After trying the whole day, I think, with BWC its impossible to take the\n> adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined\n> function pointer. \n> Am I right ? Has anybody else had this problem ?\n> \n> \tthanx\n\nI think you may be chasing the wrong problem.  I don't think it is the\nfunction overloading at all-- I do that sort of thing all of the time\nin BC++ without a hitch.  The big problems I have encountered in\nporting MFC to BC++ is that fact that MFC _depends_ on a couple of\ninvalid C++ assumptions.\n\nI have never gotten the _entire_ ctrltest app to run under BC++, but\nthe reason is that MS makes some bad assumptions about the order in\nwhich static\/global objects are initialized (i.e. some objects are\ngetting accessed before they are initialized).  The problem is in the\nowner-draw menu code somewhere-- if you comment out that section, all\nother pieces of ctrltest work fine.\n\nTwo other major gotchas I have found using MFC under BC++:\n\n- The CFile::OpenFlags enum uses hard-coded numbers for the open mode,\n  rather than the manifest constants defined in fcntrl.h (which differ\n  between MSC and BC).\n\n- All of the MFC collection classes depend on another bad C++\n  assumption-- that a reference to a base object can used be in place\n  of a reference to a derived object (true for pointers, NOT for\n  references).\n\nI am sure there are other problems along the same lines, but I have\nnot encountered them (yet).  I have not seen MFC 2.0 yet, but I hope\nthat some of these will be addressed.  If they are not, all of MS's\nhype about portability to other vendor's compilers will be just that.\n\n-- \n      If these were my employer's opinions, I wouldn't be posting them.\n###############################################################################\n  \"Whoever said nothing lasts forever was obviously  # R. Brendler\n   NOT a Cubs fan...\" - Mike Royko                   # SPSS, Inc. - Chicago IL\n","87":"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)\nSubject: Re: Fonts in POV??\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.\nLines: 57\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de\nKeywords: fonts, raytrace\n\n\nIn article <1qg9fc$et9@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au>, g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad) writes:\n|> \n|> \n|> \tI have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it \n|> RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image.\n|> The fonts\/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with\n|> them.  Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV??\n|> \n\nHi Noel,\n\nI've made some attempts to write a converter that reads Adobe Type 1 fonts,\ntriangulates them, bevelizes them and extrudes them to result in a generic\n3d object which could be used with PoV f.i.\n\nThe problem I'm currently stuck on is that theres no algorithm which\ntriangulates any arbitrary polygonal shape. Delaunay seems to be limited\nto convex hulls. Constrained delaunay may be okay, but I have no code\nexample of how to do it.\n\nAnother way to do the bartman may be\n\n- TGA2POV\n- A selfmade variation of this, using heightfields.\n\n  Create a b\/w picture (BIG) of the text you need, f.i. using a PostScript\n  previewer. Then, use this as a heightfield. If it is white on black,\n  the heightfield is exactly the images white parts (it's still open\n  on the backside). To close it, mirror it and compound it with the original.\n\nExample:\n\nobject {\n   union {\n      height_field { gif \"abp2.gif\" }\n      height_field { gif \"abp2.gif\" scale <1 -1 1>}\n   }\n   texture {\n      Glass\n   }\n   translate <-0.5 0 -0.5>      \/\/center\n   rotate <-90 0 0>             \/\/ rotate upwards\n   scale  <10 5 100>            \/\/ scale bigger and thicker\n   translate <0 2 0>            \/\/ final placement\n}\n\n\nabp2.gif is a GIF of arbitrary size containing \"ABP\" black on white in\nTimes-Roman 256 points.\n\n--\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n| o |                \\\\\\-  Brain Inside -\/\/\/                       | o |\n| o |                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                           | o |\n| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n","88":"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)\nSubject: Re: Goalie Mask Update\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 19\nNntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <93289@hydra.gatech.EDU> gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes:\n>\n>\tHere are the results after three days of voting. Remember 3pts for \n>1st, 2 for 2nd, and 1 for 3rd. Also, you can still turn in votes! And.. if\n>the guy isn't a regular goalie or he is retired, please include the team! \n>Thanks for your time, and keep on sending in those votes!\n\n> Glenn Healy (NYI), Tommy Soderstron (???), Ray LeBlanc (USA).\n                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nSoderstrom plays with Philly, but he doesn't have a moulded mask.\nHe's got the helmet and cage variety, in white.  Or at least that's\nwhat he wore thirteen hours ago.\n\n-- \nValerie Hammerl\t\t\t\"Some days I have to remind him he's not \nhammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu\tMario Lemieux.\"  Herb Brooks on Claude\nacscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu\tLemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but \nv085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  known for taking dumb penalties.\n","89":"From: mcole@spock (COLE)\nSubject: 8051 Microcontroller\nOrganization: New Mexico State University\nLines: 3\nNNTP-Posting-Host: spock.nmsu.edu\n\nI would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family.  Does anyone out  \nthere know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers,  \netc.?\n","90":"Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: <PCA103@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: ATARI 2600 Processors\nLines: 12\n\nDoes anyone know what processor the Atari 2600 used? What I'm looking for is th\ne pin-outs for the Atari 2600.... the schematics for it it... does anyone have\nany idea where I could find this or any related information? This is very impor\ntant. Also, are the ROM chips that were used fo rthe 2600 games still available\n, or were they propreitary? Please email me with any responces, as this is very\n important.. Thanks a million...\n\nBTW- Anyone who works\/has worked for Atari, I could really use your help with i\nnfo on the old 2600, please email me if you are willing to help me.... thatnks\nalot!!\n\n-Peter\n","91":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and...\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <2BAC23FF.25215@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n\n>There was no such letter in the Chronicle on that date, or at any other time.\n\nIs this a figment of your imagination? Here is another one:\n\n\n Source: \"Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6\"\n\n Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately \n forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi \n collaboration.\n\n A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft\n is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The \n magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany\n and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the\n magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation,\n is attention-getting.\n\n This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically\n important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be\n an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. \n\n In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain\n political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They \n occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices.\n The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered \n \"Aryan\" and what befell them.\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","92":"From: iisakkil@gamma.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nIn-Reply-To: rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu's message of 17 Apr 1993 14:05:06 -0400\nNntp-Posting-Host: gamma.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\n\t<1qpgsiINN31p@diplodocus.cis.ohio-state.edu>\nLines: 15\n\nrubin@cis.ohio-state.edu (Daniel J Rubin) writes:\n>How hard would it be to somehow interface them to some of the popular \n>Motorola microcontrollers.\n\nNot hard, you can do the refreshing and access cycles by software, but\nthis hogs most of the available CPU cycles on a low-end controller.\nI've seen some application note from Philips that used one of their\n8051 derivatives as a printer buffer, with up to 1MB of dynamic ram\nthat was accessed and refreshed with software bit-banging.\n\nAnother alternative would be to use one of those nice DRAM controller\nchips that \"create static RAM appearance\" and all that, but they may\nbe too expensive to make it worthwhile.\n--\nSegmented Memory Helps Structure Software\n","93":"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\nSubject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP\nNntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com\nReply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com\nOrganization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those\n              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\nLines: 41\n\n\nAs the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of  \nlate.  It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every  \nday.  The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I  \ncan't reproduce crashes, and they are not always GPF's in the same  \napplication. Sometimes I can recover by simply closing the application  \nthat caused an error, but other times, windows acts very strange, and I  \nneed to re-boot.\n\nSome background:  I have a Leading Edge 486sx25 with Phoenix BIOS.  When I  \nfirst got it it had 4Mg of memory.  It ran windows fine (not too many  \nGPF's).  Then, a couple of weekends ago, I installed Lotus 123 for windows  \n(with ATM), a game card and an additional 4  1Mg SIMMS.  The Leading edge  \nmachine is kind of strange, in that it has the IDE controler built into  \nthe motherboard, the CPU is actually on a sparate board that plugs into  \nthe motherboard and the SIMMS it uses are Macintosh SIMMS! Apparently I  \nwas told that the Leading Edge had the parity bit built into the mother  \nboard.  The original 4Mg 80ns SIMMS where of the 2 chip variety from  \nSAMSUNG, and the ones I installed are 8 chip SIMMS. They are recognized  \nfine by the BIOS RAM check. The game card is a generic $20 gamecard.\n\nThe reason why I mention the hardware like this is that sometimes  \nrebooting the machine using the reset button or ctl-alt-del still leaves  \nthe machine kind of flaky, but turning it on and off doesn't. \n\nI haven't tried taking out the RAM or the game card, because as I said  \nthese GPF are not reproducible at will.  I have gone through and entire  \nday using the computer with no problems and then I might get 5 or so GPF's  \nin the sppace of 20 minutes?\n\nWhat can I do.  This situation is most annoying... Are there any good  \ndiagnostic tools for hardware? Do you think that this might be a software  \nproblem (ie EMM386 etc.)? If it helps, i have manage to get GPF's on After  \nDark, quicken, Paint shop pro. A lot of them have been in user.exe or  \ngdi.exe.\n\nAny help is truly appreciated.....\n\n-Eric\n\nebosco@us.oracle.com\n","94":"From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)\nSubject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18\nOrganization: Louisiana Tech University\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bhm116e-spc.engr.latech.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:\n\nA note to users of Plexi-Fairings:\n\nIf the light hits some of these just right, they become a giant magnifing \nglass and will melt a hole in your guage pod!  \n\n ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----\n\n                          Stolen Taglines...\n              * God is real, unless declared integer. *\n            * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. *\n         * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. *\n        * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. *\n       * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. *\n","95":"From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)\nSubject: Re: bikes with big dogs\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:\n>Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride \n>on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.\n>\tThanks\n>\t\t\t84wendel@cua.edu\n>\n\nOn the back might be tricky, but here in Boulder, there is a guy \nthat can always be seen with his Golden Retriever in the sidecar.\nOf course, the dog is always wearing WWII style goggles (no joke)\n\n\n________________________________________________________________________\nNick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817\n                  '88CBR1000              '89CBR600\n                       coburnn@spot.colorado.edu\n________________________________________________________________________\n\n\n","96":"From: ndallen@r-node.hub.org (Nigel Allen)\nSubject: Reserve officers say demographics ignored in nominations to close naval, marine reserve centers\nOrganization: R-node Public Access Unix - 1 416 249 5366\nLines: 53\n\nHere is a press release from the Reserve Officers Association.\n\n Reserve Officers Say Demographics Ignored in Nominations to\nClose Naval, Marine Reserve Centers\n To: National Desk, Defense Writer\n Contact: Herbert M. Hart of the Reserve Officers Association of\n          the United States, 202-479-2258\n\n   WASHINGTON, April 13 \/U.S. Newswire\/ -- The Reserve Officers\nAssociation of the United States has alerted the Defense Base\nRealignment and Closure Commission that the services failed to give\nsufficient weight to demographics in recommendations made to close\n56 Naval and Marine Corps Reserve centers.\n   In letters to the closure commission and to all 86 members of\nCongress with affected locations in their constituencies, including\nSen. Sam Nunn (D-Ga.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services\nCommittee, ROA charged that the developers of the Navy-Marine list\nignored demographics of the civilian population, particularly prior\nservice personnel.\n   ROA's executive director, Maj. Gen. Evan L. Hultman, AUS (Ret.),\nsuggested \"concern that the only plausible alternative is that they\nare intentionally attempting to foreclose the Naval Reserve\ncomponents from maintaining even today's relatively low level of\nparticipation in their parent service's Total Force of the future.\"\n   He asked the commission \"to remove from consideration all\nlocations without sufficient and convincing demographic data to\nwarrant approval of the requested action.\"\n   \"Only a few of the 56 Naval and Marine Corps Reserve\ninstallations on this list are large enough to have a significant\nimpact on the community, if closed,\" wrote Hultman.  \"The major\nissue is the cumulative impact of moving or closing such a large\npercentage of the existing locations.\"\n   Hultman reminded the commission, \"The fact that the vast\nmajority of the Reserve installations on this list do not come\nclose to meeting the minimal requirements for consideration in this\nprocess certainly supports the thesis\" that these actions are\nsimply an attempt to foreclose a substantial role for the Navy and\nMarine Corps Reserve.\n   ROA also noted \"that at the end of the 1960s, when the number of\nNaval Reservists was approximately the same as today, there were 480\nNaval Reserve facilities.  If the Navy recommendations are\napproved, there will be less than 200 Naval Reserve facilities.\"\n   Facilities on the list include seven Naval Air Stations ranging\nfrom South Weymouth, Mass., to Alameda, Calif., 28 Naval\nReserve Centers in Macon, Ga., and Parkersburg, W.Va., to\nMissoula and Great Falls. Mont.  Naval\/Marine Corps Reserve\nCenters include four in San Francisco, Fort Wayne, Ind.,\nBillings, Mont., and Abilene, Texas.\n   A major Marine Reserve Center on the list is that at El\nToro, Calif., plus six others.\n -30-\n-- \nNigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada    ndallen@r-node.hub.org\n","97":"From: billh@greed.sbil.co.uk (Bill Hodgson)\nSubject: Re: waiting for a specific event\/callback\nReply-To: billh@greed.sbil.co.uk\nOrganization: Salomon Brothers, Ltd.\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: greed\n\nIn article 9610@charon.cwi.nl, huub@cwi.nl (Huub Bakker) writes:\n..deleted...\n\nIn plain Motify using a dialog 'in-line' like this simply isn't done. You need\nto set callbacks from the buttons\/widgets in your dialog and let the callback routines\ndo the work. In the callbacks you can then carry on the flow of logic. \n\nXView from Sun actually supports this very neatly with a 'Notify' box, which can\nreturn a status in-line, it does actualy ease coding but goes against the event\ndriven style of an application.\n\nSummary: Redesign required.\n\n\n---\n    _\/       _\/  _\/ _\/     \"Delta hedging a long option position also\n   _\/           _\/ _\/\t    generates a short gamma exposure and any return\n  _\/_\/_\/_\/ _\/  _\/ _\/\t    generated from delta hedging options can be thought\n _\/    _\/ _\/  _\/ _\/\t    of as compensation for assuming gamma risk\"\n_\/_\/_\/_\/ _\/  _\/ _\/\t    -- Radioactive investment management... whew!\n","98":"From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk\nSubject: Re: free moral agency\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England\nLines: 11\n\n: Are you saying that their was a physical Adam and Eve, and that all\n: humans are direct decendents of only these two human beings.?  Then who\n: were Cain and Able's wives?  Couldn't be their sisters, because A&E\n: didn't have daughters.  Were they non-humans?\n\nGenesis 5:4\n\nand the days of Adam after he begat Seth were eight hundred years, and\nhe begat sons and daughters:\n\nFelicitations -- Chris Ho-Stuart\n","99":"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)\nSubject: Re: Hijaak\nOrganization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 15\n\nHaston, Donald Wayne (haston@utkvx.utk.edu) wrote:\n: Currently, I use a shareware program called Graphics Workshop.\n: What kinds of things will Hijaak do that these shareware programs\n: will not do?\n\nI also use Graphic Workshop and the only differences that I know of are that\nHijaak has screen capture capabilities and acn convert to\/from a couple of\nmore file formats (don't know specifically which one).  In the April 13\nissue of PC Magazine they test the twelve best selling image capture\/convert\nutilities, including Hijaak.\n\nTMC.\n(tmc@spartan.ac.brocku.ca)\n\n\n","100":"From: tchen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Tsung-Kun Chen)\nSubject: ** Software forsale (lots) **\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\n    ****   This is a post for my friend,  You can either call    ****\n    ****    him  J.K Lee  (614)791-0748    or Drop me a mail     ****\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 39\n\n1.  Software publishing SuperBase 4 windows v.1.3           --->$80\n\n2.  OCR System ReadRight v.3.1 for Windows                  --->$65\n\n3.  OCR System ReadRight  v.2.01 for DOS                    --->$65\n\n4.  Unregistered Zortech 32 bit C++ Compiler v.3.1          --->$ 250\n     with Multiscope windows Debugger,\n     WhiteWater Resource Toolkit, Library Source Code\n\n5.  Glockenspiel\/ImageSoft Commonview 2 Windows\n     Applications Framework for Borland C++                 --->$70\n\n6.  Spontaneous Assembly Library With Source Code           --->$50\n\n7.  Microsoft Macro Assembly 6.0                            --->$50\n\n8.  Microsoft Windows v.3.1 SDK Documentation               --->$125\n\n9.  Microsoft FoxPro V.2.0                                  --->$75\n\n10.  WordPerfect 5.0 Developer's Toolkit                    --->$20\n\n11.  Kedwell Software DataBoss v.3.5 C Code Generator       --->$100\n\n12.  Kedwell InstallBoss v.2.0 Installation Generator       --->$35\n\n13.  Liant Software C++\/Views v.2.1\n       Windows Application Framework with Source Code       --->$195\n\n14.  IBM OS\/2 2.0 & Developer's Toolkit                     --->$95\n\n15.  CBTree DOS\/Windows Library with Source Code            --->$120\n\n16.  Symantec TimeLine for Windows                          --->$90\n\n17.  TimeSlip TimeSheet Professional for Windows            --->$30\n\n         Many More Software\/Books Available,Price Negotiable\n","101":"From: exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board)\nSubject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.\nNntp-Posting-Host: 138.85.253.85\nOrganization: Ericsson Network Systems, Inc.\nX-Disclaimer: This article was posted by a user at Ericsson.\n              Any opinions expressed are strictly those of the\n              user and not necessarily those of Ericsson.\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.131908.29582@uhura.neoucom.edu> wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew) writes:\n>From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\n>Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.\n>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1993 13:19:08 GMT\n\n>Write a good manual to go with the software.  The hassle of\n>photocopying the manual is offset by simplicity of purchasing\n>the package for only $15.  Also, consider offering an inexpensive\n>but attractive perc for registered users.  For instance, a coffee\n>mug.  You could produce and mail the incentive for a couple of\n>dollars, so consider pricing the product at $17.95.\n\nOr, _documentation_ for the program ;-).  A lot of shareware out there is \nvery similar in the approach - send in your money, and you get \ndocumentation, and a free upgrade to the latest version.  Perhaps even \nsupport of some small degree.  Whatever you want to offer that is \"better\" \nthan the circulating version.\n\n>You're lucky if only 20% of the instances of your program in use\n>are non-licensed users.\n\nFigure about 50%, as I have seen.\n\n>The best approach is to estimate your loss and accomodate that into\n>your price structure.  Sure it hurts legitimate users, but too bad.\n\nIt doesn't really hurt legit users.  Shareware is still much cheaper than \nthe alternatives.\n\n ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n ---------Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS +1 214 596 2915, a Wildcat! BBS-------\n\n ObDis: All opinions are specifically disclaimed. No one is responsible.\n\n    Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems  THX-1138\n    exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                    \"Don't let the .se fool you\"\n","102":"From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)\nSubject: Re: Goldwing performance\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 36\n\n\/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles \/ Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) \/ 11:06 am  Apr  1, 1993 \/\nIn article <1pf2hs$b4d@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com\n(R. Craig Dodson) wrote:\n \n> From the summary in the back of Motorcyclist, they run the 1\/4 in\n> 13.07 at about 100 mph. Interestingly enough, this Winnebago of bikes\n> is faster than any of the Harleys listed. \n\n  It depreciates much faster, too.\n   \n====================================================\nJohn Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona\n                    All standard disclaimers apply.\n----------\nThe '84 GL1200A hit the traps at 13.34 according to Cycle magazine. Yeah,\nthey depreciate faster than Harleys for the first couple of years then\nthey bottom out. Got my '86 GL1200I w\/ 2275 miles on the odometer for\njust under $5K in May of 1990 and would ask for $4500 now with almost\n16K miles onnit....that's about 50% of what a new GL1500I would cost.\n\nThink the '86 GL1200I originally sold for $6500 brand new, not sure. \nIf that's the case then it depreciated 30.77% over 7 years or a mere\n$2000. Big Fat Hairy Deal! Based on what I know, Harleys tend to\ndepreciate your monies far more than the initial depreciation of\nthe bike itself when it comes to parts and service. All this about\nHarleys holding their value better doesn't always wash away the\nknocks on them...such as being much slower. ;-) \n\nAccording to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a\nreal dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that\ndoesn't defecate much. =:-]  \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGraeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,\n350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","103":"From: horton@molbio.cbs.umn.edu (Robert Horton)\nSubject: Re: Macs suck! Buy a PC!\nNntp-Posting-Host: molbio.cbs.umn.edu\nOrganization: University of Minnesota\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nLines: 3\n\n\nTests suck! Post a real message!\n:^)\n","104":"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)\nSubject: Israel does not kill reporters.\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n   Anas Omran has claimed that, \"the Israelis used to arrest, and\nsometime to kill some of these neutral reporters.\"  The assertion\nby Anas Omran is, of course, a total fabrication.  If there is an\nonce of truth iin it, I'm sure Anas Omran can document such a sad\nand despicable event.  Otherwise we may assume that it is another\npiece of anti-Israel bullshit posted by someone whose family does\nnot know how to teach their children to tell the truth.  If Omran\nwould care to retract this 'error' I would be glad to retract the\naccusation that he is a liar.  If he can document such a claim, I\nwould again be glad to apologize for calling him a liar.  Failing\nto do either of these would certainly show what a liar he is.\n","105":"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)\nSubject: Re: Oscilloscope triggering\nReply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <C4vs0G.5ux@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes:\n|> >>Can someone out there explain exactly what the 'trigger'\n|> >>feature found on oscilloscopes does?\n|> >\n|> \t{ lots og good explanation deleted}\n\n<lots more deleted>\n|> \tIs it just me, or does anybody else out there NOT like digital\n|> scopes. My school has some beauutful 100Mhz HP that are digital with\n|> all the bells and whistles, including soft-keys, which I think are a\n|> loveley touch. ( that is, software keys. ) You don't forget that you\n|> are dealing with a computer. Those scopes even with all their\n|> neatness, still make the ickyest looking waves. Lotsa features, but\n|> ugly output. And those are the best digitals I have ever seen. I've\n|> seen a lot of cheaper digitals and they look terrible.\n\nI think the hangup with digital scopes is that you have to know so much\nmore about them and how they work on a scope-by-scope basis, and\nsome of the functions are typically presented, in my opinion,\nin a counter-intuitive fashion (HP has made some strides in their\n54600 series, IMO). Automatic setups are fine for simple,\nrepetitive waveforms, but can give you some crazy results on more\ncomplex events where you need to understand how the scope is\nactually measuring\/processing the event. For example, is the scope\nin \"equivalent time\" or in \"real time\" sampling mode (equivalent time\nbeing a mode where samples are built-up slowly by adding a delay to\nthe trigger event each sweep)? What was the scope's actual sampling\nrate at the time? How is the data being massaged after capture but\nbefore display, etc. One common misconception is the speed of the scope.\n\nIs the HP scope you're using really a 100 MHz scope? Or is it a 20 MHz\nsample rate scope (~5 MHz single shot significance) whose front\nend including S\/H can support 100 MHz waveforms (important for\nequivalent time sampling)? The 100 MHz input in this case really\nonly helps you when your waveform is repetitive, or on a single\nsample, when you get lucky and hit a transient event during a sample time.\n\nSo, there are a lot more variables in understanding how to get\nuseful information from a digital scope. I prefer an analog scope for\ngeneral use and the digital for events where I need storage for\nlater analysis or comparison, when the event is within the capability\nof the scope. Now, for the price of true 100 MHz digital scopes to\nfall...\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n       Dave Medin\t\t\tPhone:\t(205) 730-3169 (w)\n    SSD--Networking\t\t\t\t(205) 837-1174 (h)\n    Intergraph Corp.\n       M\/S GD3004 \t\tInternet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\n  Huntsville, AL 35894\t\tUUCP:  ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin\n\n   ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******\n\n * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)\n","106":"From: ravin@eecg.toronto.edu (Govindan Ravindran)\nSubject: decoupling caps - onboard\nOrganization: Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, University of Toronto\nLines: 10\n\n(posted for a friend)\nhello there,\n        I would like to know if any one had any experience with having\non-board decoupling capacitors (inside a cmos chip) for the power\nlines. Say I have a lot of space left im my pad limited design.\nany data on the effect of oxide breakdown? any info or pointers\nare appreciated.\n\nrs\n\n","107":"From: bell@hops.larc.nasa.gov (John Bell)\nSubject: Re: Adcom cheap products?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hops.larc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <mdonahue.15x9@amiganet.chi.il.us> mdonahue@amiganet.chi.il.us (Mike Donahue) writes:\n>\n>As for Adcoms Mobil, They are going with amps that canb use Balanced Inputs, a\n>VERY nice toy, but I'm afraid its goig to push their amps beyound resonable\n>price ranges.  especialy because taking advantage of those balanced inputs\n>requires a $120+ RCA to Balanced adapter...\n\nUmm, when I was doing sound reinforcement for a living, I used to get direct boxes (which convert\nunbalanced 1\/4\" jacks to balanced XLRs) for about $25 each, or a little more for higher\nquality. You'll need two for a stereo signal, of course, and a little adapter thingy from \nRadio Sh#$&^t to convert from RCA to 1\/4\". Total cost should be around $50. You can also buy\ntransformers for quite a bit less and wire them yourself. Total cost there should be under $30.\nYou can get all this stuff from any pro music shop that sells sound reinforcement gear.\nThe benefit? NO noise that you can hear will be generated in the cables going to the component\nwith the balanced inputs, even when you run them in bad places, like next to power lines.\n\n-----\nJohn Bell\nNASA Langley Research Center\nbell@hops.larc.nasa.gov\n\n","108":"From: pallis@server.uwindsor.ca (PALLIS  DIMITRIOS        )\nSubject: Re: Genoa Blitz 24 hits 1600x1200x256 NI !\nLines: 3\n\ni am sorry, but this genoa card does nothing that the ATI ultra plus 2mb\ncan't do, PLUS the ATI costs 330$US street price ....\n\n","109":"From: lorne@sun.com (Lorne R. Johnson - Sun IC Region SE)\nSubject: WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 22\nDistribution: ca\nReply-To: lorne@sun.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: normajean.west.sun.com\n\n\n   *****************************\n   * WARRIORS TICKETS FOR SALE *\n   *****************************\n\nI have 2 tickets that I can't use (Last pair this year).\n\nSection 109, Row P, Seats 8 & 9\n\nDAY\tDATE\tOPPONENT\tTIME\t\n---\t----\t--------\t----\t\nWED     4\/21    Sacremento     7:30\n\nPrice: $45.00 = MY COST\n\nCall or email if you are interested in these tickets.\n\n\nLorne Johnson\nlorne@sun.com\n(408) 562-6003\n\n","110":"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <C5L0v1.JCv@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, dans@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dan S.) writes:\n> Don't forget about the culture.  Sadly, we don't (as a society) look upon\n> homosexuality as normal (and as we are all too well aware, there are alot\n> of people who condemn it).  As a result, the gay population is not encouraged\n> to develop \"non-promiscuous\" relationships.  In fact there are many roadblocks\n> put in the way of such committed relationships.  It is as if the heterosexual\n\nSuch as?  Not being able to get married isn't a roadblock to a permanent\nrelationship.  Lack of a marriage certificate doesn't force a couple\nto break up.  This is an excuse used by homosexuals because the \nalternative is to ask why they are so much more promiscuous than \nstraights.\n\n> Dan\n\n\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n","111":"From: sukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu (SYG)\nSubject: Re: AD conversion\nOrganization: City College of New York - Science Computing Facility\nLines: 33\n\n>> I am working a  data acquisition and analysis program to collect data\n>> from insect sensory organs.\n>> Another alternative is the use of the sound input port.\n>\n>Can you really make due with the non-existent dynamic range of an 8-bit\n>converter, of probably dubious linearity and monotonicity, and perhaps\n>AC-coupled as well?\n\nIt would depend on the requirements of the poster's data, for some\npurposes 1\/256 resolution (with or without calibration curve).\n\n\nOtherwise the other possibilities would be:\n\n1) get a digital voltameter with serial output & connect to serial\nport on mac, collect data with some communications program.\n\n2) Buy an A\/D chip from Analog devices, Burr-Brown, etc, connect to\na parallel to serial converter, use serial port for acquisition\n(nah. too much soldering and trouble shooting :-)\n\n3) Get a board from National Instruments, Data Translation, Omega,\netal.  The finest solution, but possibly the most costly.\n\n\n\nTo the original poster:  if the signal is too large, why not\nuse a voltage divider? Two resistors, cost very cheap...\n-- \n\n\t\t\t\t\t-george\n\t\t\t\t\tsukenick@sci.ccny.cuny.edu\n\t\t\t\t\t212-650-6028\n","112":"From: keegan-edward@cs.yale.edu (Edward Keegan)\nSubject: DEC MT 486, Adaptec SCSI, 3COMM conflict\nOrganization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thumper.cf.cs.yale.edu\n\n\nI have a DEC NT 486DX33 that has an Adaptec SCSI controller, hard disk\nand cd-rom drive. When I add a 3COMM Ethernet card (3C503) and reboot\nthe system I receive an error message that a boot device cannot be\nfound. Pull the 3COMM card and reboot, everything is fine. I've moved\nthe controller and 3COMM card to various slots, different positions\n(slot before the controller, slot after the controller) with the\nsame result. DEC hasn't responded to the problem yet. Any help would\nbe appreciated.\n-- \nEdward T. Keegan, Facility Director             E-MAIL: keegan@cs.yale.edu\nYale University, Computer Science Department     PHONE: 1-203-432-1254\n51 Prospect Street, Room 009                       FAX: 1-203-432-0593\nNew Haven, CT 06520\n","113":"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils)\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 18\n\nIn <lrw509f@rpi.edu> wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes:\n\n>I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points\n>with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put\n>win as first in a tie breaker......\n\nWell I don't see any smileys here.  I am trying to figure out if the poster\nis a dog or a wordprocessor.  Couldn't be neither.  Both are smarter than\nthis.\n\n\"I might not be great in Math\"\n\n\n-- \n\ncordially, as always,                      maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n                                           \"So many morons...\nrm                                                   ...and so little time.\" \n","114":"From: dswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber)\nSubject: Re: Dopson Pitches First Shutout; Red Sox Win 6-0\nOrganization: Open Software Foundation - Research Institute\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5r5vt.941@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:\n>jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann) writes:\n\n[deleted]\n\n>\tSomeone told me this game started at 10:05 cdt.  Is this true??\/ Who\n>in their right mind would go to a game on monday at 11AM????\n\nKeep in mind this was in Massachussetts.  Today was Patriots Day, a state\nholiday.  I think it might be a floating holiday, but given that the\nMarathon also happens the same day, most people don't go in.\n\n\n-- \n\n#include <std_disclaimer.h>\n\nDan S.\n","115":"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <2BCC892B.21864@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:\n\n>In article <115290@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n\n>>Well, seeing as you are not muslim the sort of fatwa issued by Khomeini\n>>would not be relevant to you. I can understand your fear of persecution\n>>and I share it even more than you (being muslim), however Rushdie's\n>>behavior was not completely excusable.\n\n>Why should a fatwa issued by Khomeini be relevant to anyone who\n>doesn't live in Iran?\n\nIssued by Khomeini it shouldn't be relevant to anyone. But issued\nby an honest and learned scholar of Islam it would be relevant to\nany muslim as it would be contrary to Islamic law which all muslims\nare required to respect.\n\n>  Who is it that decides whether Rushdie's behavior is excusable? \n\nAnyone sufficiently well versed in Islamic law and capable of reasoning,\nif you are talking about a weak sense of \"excuse.\" It depends on what \nsense of \"excuse\" you have in mind.\n\n\n> And who cares if you think it is inexcusable?\n\nOnly someone who thinks my opinion is important, obviously.\nObviously you don't care, nor do I care that you don't care.\n\n\nGregg\n","116":"From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu\nSubject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects\nOrganization:  Wright State University \nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.024103.29880@spdcc.com>, dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr20.212706.820@lrc.edu> kjiv@lrc.edu writes:\n>>Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications \n>>has been linked to rapid\/excessive weight gain and\/or a distorted \n>>sense of taste or smell:  Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to \n>>prevent asthma); Vancenase.\n> \n> Hismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain.\n> It really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect,\n> and even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly\n> doesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause\n> drowsiness.\n\nIt also gave me lots of problems with joint and muscle pain.  Seemed to\ntrigger arthritis-like problems.\n\nSue\n\n> \n> -- \n> Steve Dyer\n> dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer\n","117":"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nOrganization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA  USA\nLines: 21\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com\nKeywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx\nX-Newsreader: InterCon TCP\/Connect II 1.1\n\ngtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:\n> Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there \n> that they're angling for NREN next,\n\nWhere?  I honestly didn't see any...\n\n> and the only conceivable meaning of \n> applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they \n> intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption. \n\nI disagree, if for no other reason than that there are already other \nstandards in place.  Besides, even if they restrict encryption on the NREN, \nwho cares?  Most of the Internet is commercial anyway.  The NREN is only for \ngeovernment and university research (read the proposals--it's a \"data \nsuperhighway\" for Cray users, not anything having to do with the Internet).\n\n\nAmanda Walker\nInterCon Systems Corporation\n\n\n","118":"From: ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita)\nSubject: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window\nOrganization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science\nLines: 17\n\n\n\tHi. I'm trying to figure out how to make a window manager\nplace the window where the create window command tells it,\nregardless of what it may think is right. (my application has\nreason to know better)\n\n\tI don't want to set the override-redirect because I do\nwant all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just\nwant the wm to accept my choice of location.\n\n\tI've tried twm, tvtwm and mwm and they are all\nuncooperative.\n\n\tThanks,\n\t-- Ethan\n\n\n","119":"From: jbreed@doink.b23b.ingr.com (James B. Reed)\nSubject: Re: space news from Feb 15 AW&ST\nNntp-Posting-Host: doink\nReply-To: jbreed@ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Electronics\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <C5ros0.uy@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:\n|> [Pluto's] atmosphere will start to freeze out around 2010, and after about\n|> 2005 increasing areas of both Pluto and Charon will be in permanent\n|> shadow that will make imaging and geochemical mapping impossible.\n\nWhere does the shadow come from?  There's nothing close enough to block\nsunlight from hitting them.  I wouldn't expect there to be anything block\nour view of them either.  What am I missing?\n\n\tJim\n","120":"From: shd2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Sherlette Dixon)\nSubject: Christianity & Atheism:  an update\nOrganization: BGSU\nLines: 32\n\nFirst, I would like to thank all who sent me their opinions on the matter\nat hand.  All advice was taken to heart, if not directly used.  My friend\nfound out about the matter quite accidently.  After reading some of my\nmail, I quit from the mail reader & went about my business.  I must have\ntrashed my mail improperly, because he got on the same terminal the next\nday & saw my old messages.  He thought they were responses to a post he\nplaced in alt.atheism earlier that week, so he read some of them before\nrealizing that they were for me.  I got a message from him the next day; he\napologized for reading my mail & said that he did not want to appear to be\na snoop.  He said that he would be willing to talk to me about his views &\ndidn't mind doing so, especially with a friend.  So we did.  I neither\nchanged his mind nor did he change mine, as that was not the point.  Now he\nknows where I'm coming from & now I know where he's coming from.  And all\nthat I can do is pray for him, as I've always done.\n\nI believe the reason that he & I \"click\" instead of \"bash\" heads is because\nI see Christianity as a tool for revolution, & not a tool for maintaining\nthe status quo.  To be quite blunt, I have more of a reason to reject God\nthan he does just by the fact that I am an African-American female. \nChristianity & religion have been used as tools to separate my people from\nthe true knowledge of our history & the wealth of our contributions to the\nworld society.  The \"kitchen of heaven\" was all we had to look forward to\nduring the slave days, & this mentality & second-class status still exists\ntoday.  I, too, have rejected\nan aspect of Christianity----that of the estabished church.  Too much\nhypocricy exists behind the walls of \"God's house\" beginning with the\nimages of a white Jesus to that of the members:  praise God on Sunday &\nraise hell beginning Monday.  God-willing, I will find a church home where\nI can feel comfortable & at-home, but I don't see it happening anytime\nsoon.\n\nSherlette \n","121":"From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: The Cafe at the Edge of the Universe\nLines: 39\n\nmjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:\nmjs>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people\nmjs>the technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first\nmjs>time they try to go round a corner.\n\nkarr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:\nkarr>Are you sure?  Remember that you *can* get around corners without\nkarr>countersteering.  In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors\nkarr>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike\nkarr>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight\nkarr>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite\nkarr>direction.  (I admit I've never actually seen this.)\n\nI've experienced this, back when I was young(er) and (more) foolish...\n\nMy first bike used to track extremely true.  Going down the highway,\nI would set the throttle tension screw up enough to hold the gas\nsteady, slide back on the seat and lean against the backrest, riding\nwithout any hands.  If I needed to turn, I'd shift my weight into the\nturn, and lo and behold, the bike would turn, sans touching the bars!\nGranted, it wouldn't turn very fast, but it proves that you can turn\na bike without countersteering, at least not in terms of the input\nto the bar normally associated with countersteering.\n\nAs I've said, I know many people who think all you do is lean, and any\ninput they're giving to the bar is totally unconscious.  Whereas that\nmay be sufficient to get you down the road under normal circumstances,\npossibly for years at a stretch, I can't think of anybody who'd argue\nthat this is preferable to properly knowing how to manipulate the bar\nin a turn, regardless of what you want to call it.\n\nExcept maybe for Mr. Sixsmith...  ;^)\n\nMr. Bill\n-- \n+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX \"White Lightning\", '82 GS850G \"Suzibago\"   +\n+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 \"Little Honda\", '68 Lone Star \"Sick Leave\" +\n+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible \"The Incredible Hulk\", others +\n+ \"Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!\" Michael Bain, #757 +\n","122":"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Help with SIMM configuration\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 22\n\nrcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher) writes:\n\n>Can someone please help me understand the current situation\n>regarding SIMMS?\n\n    Sure. I can give is a shot...\n\n>I have a IIsi which I will probably keep for another 2 years.\n>I would like to add more memory, ie go from 5 MB to 17 MB.\n>I know that I will need 4 x 4MB, 80ns or faster SIMMS.\n>Which SIMMS, 30 pin or 72 pin?\n\n    You need to get the 30-pin simms.\n\n>Would the SIMMS I get today be usable in 2 years with a \n>newer, more powerful system?\n\n    If you mean in a \"newer, more powerful\" Mac system then the answer\nis no. Apple has stated that all new Macs will use the 72-pin SIMMs and\nno longer use the 30-pin SIMMs.\n\n-Hades\n","123":"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov\nSubject: John 3:16 paraphrased\nLines: 25\n\nAt the end of a recent (Mon 19 Apr 1993) post, Alastair Thomson\noffers the following \"paraphrase\" of John 3:16:\n\n   \"God loved the world so much, that he gave us His Son,\n   to die in our place, so that we may have eternal life.\"\n\nThe \"to die in our place\" bothers me, since it inserts into the\nverse a doctrine not found in the original. Moreover, I suspect that\nthe poster intends to affirm, not merely substitution, but forensic\n(or penal) substitution.  I maintain that the Scriptures in speaking\nof the Atonement teach a doctrine of Substitution, but not one of\nForensic Substitution.\n\nThose interested in pursuing the matter are invited to send for my\nessays on Genesis, either 4 thru 7 (on this question) or 1 through 7\n(with lead-in).  The n'th essay can be obtained by sending to\nLISTSERV@ASUACAD.BITNET or to LISTSERV@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU the\nmessage\n   GET GEN0n RUFF\n\n Yours,\n James Kiefer\n\n \"Any theologian worth his salt can put anything he wants to say in\nthe form of a commentary on the Book of Genesis\" -- Walter Kaufman.\n","124":"From: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell)\nSubject: Re: \"Accepting Jesus in your heart...\"\nReply-To: whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\nOrganization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman\nLines: 20\n\nstuff deleted ...\n\n> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.\n> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality.  Christians inject\n> themselves with jeezus and live with that high. \n \nYour logic is falty.  If Christianity is a DRUG, and once we die we\ndie, then why would you be reluctant to embrase this drug so that\nwhile you are alive you enjoy yourself.\n\nI also question your overall motives for posting this article.  Why\nwould you waste your presious fews seconds on this earth posting your\nopinon to a group that will generally reject it.\n\nIf you die, never having acepting Christ as your savior, I hope you\nhave a fantastic life that it is all you evver dreamed because it is\nal of heaven you will ever know.\n\nIn Christ's Love,\nBryan\n","125":"From: joachim@kih.no (joachim lous)\nSubject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42\nOrganization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: samson.kih.no\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nulrich@galki.toppoint.de wrote:\n\n> According to the TIFF 5.0 Specification, the TIFF \"version number\"\n> (bytes 2-3) 42 has been chosen for its \"deep philosophical \n> significance\".\n\n> When I first read this, I rotfl. Finally some philosphy in a technical\n> spec. But still I wondered what makes 42 so significant.\n\n> Last week, I read the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy, and rotfl the\n> second time. (After millions of years of calculation, the second-best\n> computer of all time reveals that 42 is the answer to the question\n> about life, the universe and everything)\n\n> Is this actually how they picked the number 42?\n\nYes.\n\n> Does anyone have any  other suggestions where the 42 came from?\n\nI don't know where Douglas Adams took it from, but I'm pretty sure he's\nthe one who launched it (in the Guide). Since then it's been showing up \nall over the place.\n\n    _______________________________\n   \/ _ L*   \/  _  \/ .    \/      _  \/_  \"One thing is for sure: The sheep\n  \/  _)    \/()(\/(\/)\/\/)) \/_ ()(\/_) \/ \/  Is NOT a creature of the earth.\"\n \/ \\_)~  (\/ Joachim@kih.no       \/ \/     \n\/_______________________________\/ \/ -The back-masking on 'Haaden II'\n \/_______________________________\/  from 'Exposure' by Robert Fripp.\n","126":"From: strom@Watson.Ibm.Com (Rob Strom)\nSubject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] \"Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts\"\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: IBM Research\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <N4HY.93Apr5120934@harder.ccr-p.ida.org>, n4hy@harder.ccr-p.ida.org (Bob McGwier) writes:\n\n|> [1] HOWEVER, I hate economic terrorism and political correctness\n|> worse than I hate this policy.  \n\n\n|> [2] A more effective approach is to stop donating\n|> to ANY organizating that directly or indirectly supports gay rights issues\n|> until they end the boycott on funding of scouts.  \n\nCan somebody reconcile the apparent contradiction between [1] and [2]?\n\n-- \nRob Strom, strom@watson.ibm.com, (914) 784-7641\nIBM Research, 30 Saw Mill River Road, P.O. Box 704, Yorktown Heights, NY  10598\n","127":"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH)\nSubject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <121415@netnews.upenn.edu> egedi@ahwenasa.cis.upenn.edu (Dania M. Egedi) writes:\n:In article <1993Apr16.222604.18331@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>, andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:\n:|> In article <1993Apr16.174436.22897@midway.uchicago.edu> pkgeragh@gsbphd.uchicago.edu (Kevin Geraghty) writes:\n:|> >wrong about the  whole guns-for-protection mindset, it ignores the\n:|> \n:|> Why?  If you're not a threat, you're not affected at all.\n:|> \n:\n:Aha.  That's the part that makes me nervous too.  Who gets to decide if\n:I am a threat?  Based on appearance?  Would someone feel more threatened\n:\nActions determine whether someone presents a threat... and I don't carry a gun\nso much for people, cause I tend to fade if there are any about, but due to \nseveral encounters with formerly domestic dogs...  these critters ain't scared\nof folks, and can get aggressive.\n\n:on staying at and saw someone sitting there cleaning his gun.  Softly I backed\n:away, and hiked another 5 miles to get *out of there*.  I'll freely admit it here:\n:I'm not afraid of guns; I'm afraid of people that bring them into the backcountry.\n:\nI'd count that as a fear of guns... somebody having the sense to keep their\nweapons maintained isn't as likely to present a threat.  The Army taught me to\nclean any weapons DAILY, since they usually need it, regardless of whether \nthey've been used... You'd be amazed how sweaty a holster can get, or how much\ntrail dust will get in it.  And I guess you'd be scared of me and my former\nExplorer Post... seems the advisors were National Guard Special Forces grunts,\nand considered it heresy to be out in the woods without a weapon... course, \nusually you wouldn't notice 'em... :)  They tended to avoid public scrutiny...\n\n:Of course, that may be the way to solve the solitude problem.  Just carry a gun\n:and display it prominently, and one probably won't see most of the other hikers\n:out there, who will be hiding in the woods.  1\/2 :-)\n:\n: - Dania\nMy 9mm goes in a hip holster, mixed in with magazine pouches (hold lotsa stuff \nin them), canteens, knives, compasses, and such...  Not so easy to notice, in \nthe off chance I decide to be visible... I prefer not to be, since walking \nquietly away from active areas increases the number of non-human type critters\nI see...\n\nJames\n\n\n-- \n********************************************************************************\nJames S. Cochrane        *  When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space \ngt6511a@prism.gatech.edu *  circles, scream and shout.          * for rent\n********************************************************************************\n","128":"From: nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor)\nSubject: When Is Melido Due Back?\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: Bradley University\nDistribution: na\nLines: 6\n\nWhen are the Yankees planning on activating Melido Perez?  His 15 days on\nthe DL are up today, but are they bringing him back this weekend? \n\nThanks for any info.\n \n\n","129":"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)\nSubject: Re: insect impacts\nOrganization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division\nLines: 64\n\nI feel childish.\n\nIn article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:\n>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:\n>>>>\n>>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it?\n>>>\n>>>Um, the same way people do it on \n>>>horseback\n>>\n>>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway\n>\n>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat\n>flies, thank you.\n\nWho mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph\non your dirtbike then feel free to contribute.\n\n>>>jeeps\n>>\n>>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up\n>\n>then why does it go down?\n\nBecause it wouldn't be a Jeep if it didn't. A friend of mine just bought one\nand it has more warning stickers than those little 4-wheelers (I guess that's\nbecuase it's a big 4 wheeler). Anyway, it's written in about ten places that\nthe windshield should remain up at all times, and it looks like they've made\nit a pain to put it down anyway, from what he says. To be fair, I do admit\nthat it would be a similar matter to drive a windscreenless Jeep on the \nhighway as for bikers. They may participate in this discussion, but they're\nprobably few and far between, so I maintain that this topic is of interest\nprimarily to bikers.\n\n>>>snow skis\n>>\n>>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles\n>\n>So do most helmetless motorcyclists.\n\nNotice how Ed picked on the more insignificant (the lower case part) of the \ntwo parts of the statement. Besides, around here it is quite rare to see \nbikers wear goggles on the street. It's either full face with shield, or \nopen face with either nothing or aviator sunglasses. My experience of \nbicycling with contact lenses and sunglasses says that non-wraparound \nsunglasses do almost nothing to keep the crap out of ones eyes.\n\n>>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets\n>>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings?\n>\n>helmetless != goggleless\n\nOk, ok, fine, whatever you say, but lets make some attmept to stick to the\npoint. I've been out on the road where I had to stop every half hour to clean\nmy shield there were so many bugs (and my jacket would be a blood-splattered\nmess) and I'd see guys with shorty helmets, NO GOGGLES, long beards and tight\nt-shirts merrily cruising along on bikes with no windscreens. Lets be really\nspecific this time, so that even Ed understands. Does anbody think that \nsplattering bugs with one's face is fun, or are there other reasons to do it?\nImage? Laziness? To make a point about freedom of bug splattering?\n\nI've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV\n     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca\n                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada\n","130":"From: zmed16@trc.amoco.com (Michael)\nSubject: FOR SALE: 4-TRACK RECORDER \nOriginator: zmed16@zircon\nOrganization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research\nLines: 11\n\n\n\nI have a Fostex X-26 4-Track Recorder for sale.  It is in excellent condition\nand includes Dolby Noise Reduction, sub-mixing, 6 inputs and uses normal cassettes.  If you are interested, make me an offer.  Please respond to:\n\n\tzmed16@trc.amoco.com\n\nThanks,\n\nMike\n \n","131":"From: dfitts@carson.u.washington.edu (Douglas Fitts)\nSubject: Re: RA treatment question\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\neulenbrg@carson.u.washington.edu (Julia Eulenberg) writes:\n\n>I'm assuming that you mean Rheumatoid Arthritis (RA).  I've never heard \n>of the \"cold treatment\" you mentioned.  I can't imagine how it would \n>work, since most of us who have Rh.Arthr.\/RA seem to have more problems\n>in cold weather than in warm weather.  Would be interested to hear more!\n>Z\n>Z\n\n\nNo, obviously talking about Research Assistants.  I favor a high protein,\nlow fat diet, barely adequate salary on a fixed time schedule, four hours\nof sleep a night, continuous infusion of latte, unpredictable praise \nmixed randomly with anxiety-provoking, everpresent glances with \nlowered eyebrows, unrealistic promises of rapid publication, and \nevery three months a dinner consisting of nothing but microbrewery ale\nand free pretzels.  Actually, mine hails from San Diego, and indeed \nhas more problems in Seattle in cold weather than in warm.\n\nDoug Fitts\ndfitts@u.washington.edu\n\n\n\n","132":"From: steveg@bach.udel.edu (Steven N Gaudino)\nSubject: Dbase IV for sale (price reduced!)\nNntp-Posting-Host: bach.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 4\n\nDbase IV 1.5 for sale, 3.5 inch disks, all registration included (so you\ncan upgrade to 2.0 if you want), manuals still shrinkwrapped, disks only\nopened to verify they all work.  Asking $175 or best offer.\n\n","133":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Cold-blooded slaughter of Muslim women and children by Armenians.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 91\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.011112.27439@news.columbia.edu> lasner@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Charles Lasner) writes:\n\n>Hmm.  Maybe I'll go rent Midnight Express tonight.  I haven't seen that \n>scene in awhile; I have to savor the moment all over again.\n\nWell, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, \nthe fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted \nand participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because \nof race, religion and national origin?\n\nAs in the past in Turkiye, and today in Azerbaijan, for utopic and \nidiotic causes the Armenians brought havoc to their neighbors. A \nshort-sighted and misplaced nationalistic fervor with a wrong agenda \nand anachronistic methods the Armenians continue to become pernicious \nfor the region. As usual, they will be treated accordingly by their \nneighbors. Nagorno-Karabag is a mountainous enclave that lies completely \nwithin Azerbaijan with no border or history whatsoever connected to \nx-Soviet Armenia. Besides the geographical aspect, Nagorno-Karabag is \nthe historic homeland and the 'cradle' of the artistic and literary \nheritage of Azerbaijan, which renders the Armenian claims preposterous, \neven lunatic. \n\nAnd we still demand:\n\n1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian \ndictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide;\n\n2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and\nKurdish people;\n\n3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for their\nheinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide;\n\n4. that all world governments officially recognize the Turkish Genocide \nand Turkish territorial rights and refuse to succumb to all Armenian \npolitical pressure.\n\nThe awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the\nefforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first \ngenocide of the 20th century as a positive step. \n\nNow what would you do? \n\nSource: 'The Sunday Times,' 1 March 1992 (a British Weekly, written by \n        Thomas Goltz, from Agdam, Azerbaijan.)\n\n    ARMENIAN SOLDIERS MASSACRE HUNDREDS OF FLEEING FAMILIES.\n\n    The spiralling  violence gripping the  outer republics of  the former\nSoviet Union gained new impetus  yesterday with cold-blooded slaughter of\nhundreds of women and children in war-racked Nagorno-Karabakh.\n    Survivors  reported that  Armenian soldiers  shot and  bayoneted more\nthan 450  Azeris, many of  them women and  children, who were  fleeing an\nattack  on their  town. Hundreds,  possibly thousands,  were missing  and\nfeared dead.\n    The attackers  killed most of  the soldiers and  volunteers defending\nthe women  and children.  They then  turned their  guns on  the terrified\nrefugees. The few  survivors later described what  happened:\" That's when\nthe real  slaughter began,\" said  Azer Hajiev,  one of three  soldiers to\nsurvive. \"The  Armenians just shot and  shot. And then they  came in and\nstarted carving up people with their bayonets and knives.\"\n    \" They were shooting, shooting, shooting\", echoed Rasia Aslanova, who\narrived in Agdam with other women and children who made their way through\nArmenian lines. She said her husband, Kayun, and a son-in-law were killed\nin front of her. Her daughter was still missing.\n    One boy who arrived in Agdam had an ear sliced off.\n\n    The survivors  said 2000  others, some of  whom had  fled separately,\nwere still missing in the gruelling terrain; many could perish from their\nwounds or the cold.\n    By late  yesterday, 479 deaths had  been registered at the  morgue in\nAgdam's morgue,  and 29 bodies  had been buried  in the cemetery.  Of the\nseven corpses  I saw awaiting  burial, two  were children and  three were\nwomen, one shot through the chest at point blank range.\n    Agdam hospital was  a scene of carnage and terror.  Doctors said they\nhad 140 patients who escaped slaughter, most with bullet injuries or deep\nstab wounds.\n    Nor were they safe in Agdam. On friday night rockets fell on the city\nwhich  has a  population  of 150,000,  destroying  several buildings  and\nkilling one person.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","134":"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Moonbase race\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1r6rn3INNn96@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes:\n>You'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff.  Do you know \n>of a private Titan pad? \n\nYou'd need to launch HLVs to send up large amounts of stuff *if* you assume\nno new launcher development.  If you assume new launcher development, with\nlower costs as a specific objective, then you probably don't want to\nbuild something HLV-sized anyway.\n\nNobody who is interested in launching things cheaply will buy Titans.  It\ndoesn't take many Titan pricetags to pay for a laser launcher or a large\ngas gun or a development program for a Big Dumb Booster, all of which\nwould have far better cost-effectiveness.\n","135":"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash)\nSubject: Re: free moral agency\nNntp-Posting-Host: crchh410\nOrganization: BNR, Inc.\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <house.734841689@helios>, house@helios.usq.EDU.AU (ron house) writes:\n|> marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall) writes:\n|> \n|> >healta@saturn.wwc.edu (TAMMY R HEALY) writes:\n|> \n|> >>     you might think \"oh yeah. then why didn't god destroy it in the bud \n|> >>before it got to the point it is now--with millions through the \n|> >>ages suffering along in life?\"\n|> >>      the only answer i know is that satan made the claim that his way was \n|> >>better than God's.  God is allowing satan the chance to prove that his way \n|> >>is better than God's.  we all know what that has brought.     \n|> \n|> >Come on!  God is allowing the wishes of one individual to supercede the\n|> >well-being of billions?  I seriously doubt it.  Having read the Bible\n|> >twice, I never got the impression that God and Satan were working in some\n|> >sort of cooperative arrangement.\n|> \n|> Read the book of Job.\n|> \n\nOh, that was just a bet.\n\n\nBrian \/-|-\\  \n","136":"From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)\nSubject: Re: Rickey Henderson\nArticle-I.D.: transfer.1psbdn$lru\nReply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA\nLines: 57\nNNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.155118.5779@ra.msstate.edu> js1@Isis.MsState.Edu  \n(Jiann-ming Su) writes:\n> In article <ls1d6vINNs65@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM>  \nstr@maredsous.Eng.Sun.COM (Todd Rader) writes:\n> >Stay in school.  You have a lot to learn.\n> \n> Learn what?  I know that 3 million dollars is A LOT of money.  I  \nknow \n> Rickey Henderson doesn't have a career out of baseball.  I know if  \nhe \n> didn't have baseball, he wouldn't be making near the money he is  \nnow.\n> \n\nAnd Michael Jackson, Jack Nicholson, and Bill Cosby wouldn't be \nmaking near as much money if they weren't entertainers. So what's\nyour point?\n\n> I just don't understand how some athlete, who only plays a sport  \nfor a \n> living for millions of dollars, say he is not being paid enough.\n> \n> If nobody will sign him for his asking price, he will be the one  \nhurting.\n> The A's will still win without him.\n\nWill they?  You can't usually take away one of the team's best\nplayers and still expect them to win.  Or do you think the \nPirates will continue to win without Barry Bonds.\n\n> \n> Remeber, many of these athletes have NOTHING if not for their  \nathletic \n> ability.  NOTHING.  They are getting paid MUCH more than most hard  \nworking\n> citizens, and they are complaining of not enough pay.\n\nSo. Again, Jack Nicholson gets paid much more than most hard\nworking citizens (and much more than Rickey Henderson for that\nmatter). \n\n> \n> I don't have a problem with them making millions.  My problem is  \nwhen the\n> say they aren't being paid enough, when they already get 3  \nmillion--also,\n> their numbers get worse.\n\nThe reason the latter often happens is that many of these folks\nstart making the real big salaries late in their career, when they\nare on the decline. (There are exceptions, of course. Dave Parker\nfell apart after making his first million because he put most\nof that million up his nose.)\n\n--\nJim Mann            \nStratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  \n","137":"From: seth@north1.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman)\nSubject: Oak Driver NEEDED (30d studio)\nReply-To: seth@north1.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman)\nLines: 8\nNntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu\n\n\n\tHi, I'm looking for the 3-D studio driver for the\n\tOak card with 1 M of RAM.\n\tThis would be GREATLY (and I mean that) appreciated\n\n\tMaybe I should have just gotten a more well know card.\nthanks\nseth@acpub.duke.edu\n","138":"From: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu\nSubject: RE: Can I Change \"\"Licensed To\"\" Data in Windows 3.1?\nOrganization: Marquette University - Computer Services\nLines: 12\nReply-To: 2a42dubinski@vms.csd.mu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vmsa.csd.mu.edu\n\n\n\tOk, then where is the info for the Licensing kept?  Which file?  In the\norganization box I put my address, and when I moved, I wanted to change it, but\ncouldn't find it.  I could find my name, but not the organization.\n\n  ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n  | Robert S. Dubinski |  Aliases include:  Robb, Regal, Sir, Mr., and I |\n  ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n  | Marquette University ||||||||||| Math \/ Computer Science Double-Major|\n  ------------------------------------------------------------------------\n  | Internet Address: 2A42Dubinski.vms.csd.mu.edu  |\tMilwaukee, WI    |\n  ------------------------------------------------------------------------  \n","139":"From: todd@nickel.laurentian.ca\nSubject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christiani\nOrganization: Laurentian University\nLines: 27\n\n> Any one who thinks that Homosexuality and Christianity are compatible should \n> \n> ck       \n> out:  \n>         Romans 1:27\n>         I Corinthians 6:9           \n>         I Timothy 1:10\n>         Jude 1:7        \n>         II Peter 2:6-9\n>         Gen. 19\n>         Lev  18:22\n> (to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality)\n> In Christ's Love,\n> Bryan Whitsell\n\nI was waiting for this. I think your question should be rephrased. The many\nverses of the Bible which condem homosexuality (by our beliefs) have been\nshoved down the throats of homosexuals for a long time by (well-meaning?)\nChristians. The question is how do they interpret these verses. Any discussion\nof any issue (this or any other issue) requires a proof of your case as well\nas a disproof of the opposing view. We are already familiar with those verses\nand many have proven to themselves that these condem homosexual behaviour. We\nmust now establish reasons for not believing this to be true based on the\ninterpretation of these scriptures given by someone who has come to grips with\nthem.\n\nTodd...\n","140":"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)\nSubject: HYPOGLYCEMIA\nX-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)\nOrganization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.\nLines: 31\n\n     anello@adcs00.fnal.gov (Anthony Anello) writes:\n\nA(>  Can anyone tell me if a bloodcount of 40 when diagnosed as hypoglycemic is\nA(>  dangerous, i.e. indicates a possible pancreatic problem?  One Dr. says no, the\nA(>  other (not his specialty) says the first is negligent and that another blood\nA(>  test should be done.  Also, what is a good diet (what has worked) for a hypo-\nA(>  glycemic?  TIA.\nA(>  \nA(>  \nA(>  Anthony Anello\nA(>  Fermilab\nA(>  Batavia, Illinois\n\n   Once you have your hypoglycemia CONFIRMED through the proper \n   channels, you might consider ther following:\n\n   1) Chelated Manganese   25-50mg\/day.\n   2) Chelated Chromium    400-600mcg\/day.\n   3) Increase protein through foods or supplements.\n   4) Avoid supplements\/foods high in Potassium, Calcium, Zinc.\n   5) Avoid Vit C supplements in excess of 100mg.\n   6) Avoid honey and foods high in simple sugars.\n   7) Enjoy breads, cereals, grains...\n\n   Discuss the above with your health practitioner for compatibility\n   with your body chemistry and safety.\n\n   --Ron--\n---\n   RoseReader 2.00  P003228: BEER - It's not just for breakfast anymore.\n   RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363\n","141":"From: schmke@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin Todd Schmidt)\nSubject: NL OPI through first week+\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 184\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\nHere is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all NL players with at\nleast 10 at-bats.\n\nIt is early in the season so there are some high numbers.  Barry Bonds\nfinished last season at 0.795.\n\nI welcome comments and suggestions.\n\nKevin\n\nLeague OPI: 0.410\nLeague BA:  0.252\nLeague SLG: 0.375\nLeague OBA: 0.321\n\nRank Player                 OPI     BA    SLG    OBA\n-----------------------------------------------------\n1    Phi,daulton           1.101  0.333  0.875  0.515\n2    Phi,kruk              1.069  0.429  0.821  0.529\n3    Cub,grace             1.007  0.452  0.742  0.514\n4    Cub,may               0.931  0.389  0.889  0.421\n5    Col,boston            0.888  0.545  0.545  0.545\n6    Pit,bell              0.873  0.429  0.714  0.467\n7    Col,galarraga         0.867  0.458  0.708  0.458\n8    StL,pena              0.833  0.400  0.600  0.516\n9    StL,zeile             0.811  0.440  0.560  0.500\n10   Cin,mitchell          0.810  0.429  0.643  0.467\n11   Mon,lansing           0.792  0.419  0.677  0.438\n12   Pit,slaught           0.754  0.474  0.526  0.474\n13   Mon,vanderwal         0.746  0.389  0.556  0.476\n14   NYM,tfernandez        0.709  0.300  0.400  0.500\n15   SnF,martinez          0.697  0.300  0.400  0.500\n16   Hou,bagwell           0.695  0.367  0.567  0.424\n17   Col,hayes             0.686  0.333  0.667  0.364\n18   Col,eyoung            0.682  0.333  0.500  0.407\n19   Mon,alou              0.675  0.371  0.600  0.389\n20   Cin,milligan          0.659  0.333  0.375  0.515\n21   Phi,dykstra           0.646  0.214  0.571  0.405\n22   SnF,bonds             0.624  0.280  0.680  0.333\n22   Flo,conine            0.624  0.393  0.393  0.469\n24   SnD,plantier          0.603  0.286  0.571  0.375\n25   Hou,gonzalez          0.596  0.296  0.667  0.296\n26   Hou,anthony           0.594  0.320  0.480  0.414\n27   Col,cole              0.579  0.318  0.409  0.400\n28   Atl,sanders           0.576  0.357  0.643  0.357\n29   Mon,berry             0.566  0.273  0.273  0.500\n30   Cub,sosa              0.558  0.303  0.545  0.343\n31   StL,jefferies         0.551  0.269  0.692  0.296\n32   Pit,vanslyke          0.549  0.296  0.444  0.387\n33   *Montreal             0.548  0.312  0.490  0.367\n34   Los,butler            0.545  0.296  0.333  0.457\n35   Mon,grissom           0.542  0.333  0.455  0.371\n36   Pit,king              0.536  0.308  0.346  0.438\n37   SnD,gwynn             0.533  0.280  0.400  0.379\n38   Pit,merced            0.532  0.300  0.400  0.391\n39   NYM,murray            0.521  0.308  0.462  0.357\n40   StL,gilkey            0.514  0.312  0.438  0.353\n41   NYM,bonilla           0.507  0.292  0.417  0.370\n42   SnD,walters           0.501  0.300  0.500  0.333\n43   Cub,wilson            0.497  0.323  0.452  0.344\n44   Flo,weiss             0.492  0.261  0.348  0.433\n45   *Philadelphia         0.487  0.243  0.431  0.348\n46   Atl,justice           0.480  0.207  0.448  0.361\n47   *Pittsburgh           0.479  0.292  0.428  0.351\n48   StL,osmith            0.476  0.310  0.448  0.355\n49   Phi,incaviglia        0.473  0.250  0.500  0.308\n50   Pit,young             0.470  0.286  0.500  0.310\n51   *StLouis              0.467  0.275  0.445  0.344\n52   *Colorado             0.459  0.287  0.426  0.327\n53   NYM,hundley           0.458  0.300  0.450  0.333\n54   NYM,orsulak           0.454  0.357  0.429  0.400\n55   SnF,benjamin          0.440  0.200  0.500  0.273\n56   Atl,gant              0.438  0.214  0.464  0.333\n56   *NYMets               0.438  0.261  0.345  0.356\n58   *Houston              0.436  0.260  0.415  0.318\n59   Mon,pitcher           0.434  0.312  0.375  0.353\n60   Phi,morandini         0.433  0.240  0.360  0.321\n61   Hou,cedeno            0.427  0.280  0.440  0.308\n62   Cin,sabo              0.423  0.226  0.452  0.273\n63   SnF,manwaring         0.413  0.261  0.435  0.292\n64   *SnFrancisco          0.412  0.253  0.396  0.315\n65   Atl,blauser           0.409  0.276  0.310  0.364\n66   SnF,thompson          0.408  0.278  0.389  0.316\n66   Hou,caminiti          0.408  0.259  0.481  0.286\n68   Flo,barberie          0.405  0.267  0.267  0.371\n69   Mon,cordero           0.400  0.276  0.345  0.323\n70   SnD,sheffield         0.397  0.241  0.448  0.267\n71   Los,karros            0.392  0.259  0.296  0.355\n72   SnF,williams          0.391  0.226  0.452  0.250\n72   SnD,mcgriff           0.391  0.192  0.385  0.276\n74   Flo,destrade          0.390  0.267  0.333  0.333\n75   Col,girardi           0.388  0.238  0.381  0.304\n76   Atl,bream             0.386  0.182  0.409  0.250\n77   Mon,wood              0.385  0.200  0.300  0.333\n78   Flo,santiago          0.384  0.200  0.360  0.286\n79   Phi,thompson          0.383  0.227  0.273  0.320\n80   SnF,clayton           0.382  0.345  0.379  0.345\n80   Los,piazza            0.382  0.304  0.391  0.333\n82   SnD,bell              0.378  0.273  0.364  0.304\n83   Los,wallach           0.374  0.200  0.400  0.273\n84   Cin,larkin            0.367  0.281  0.281  0.361\n85   Pit,garcia            0.366  0.273  0.318  0.304\n85   *Cincinnati           0.366  0.256  0.319  0.326\n87   NYM,coleman           0.363  0.259  0.259  0.310\n88   NYM,kent              0.362  0.190  0.286  0.320\n89   StL,whiten            0.361  0.240  0.360  0.321\n90   Cin,roberts           0.359  0.278  0.278  0.333\n90   *Cubs                 0.359  0.236  0.366  0.277\n92   SnF,lewis             0.354  0.227  0.364  0.261\n92   Hou,finley            0.354  0.214  0.250  0.312\n92   Col,clark             0.354  0.250  0.350  0.286\n95   Los,pitcher           0.350  0.286  0.357  0.286\n95   *SnDiego              0.350  0.219  0.357  0.268\n97   Atl,lemke             0.345  0.200  0.240  0.333\n98   *LosAngeles           0.339  0.221  0.275  0.311\n99   SnF,mcgee             0.335  0.267  0.300  0.333\n99   *Atlanta              0.335  0.199  0.308  0.287\n101  Cin,sanders           0.334  0.267  0.333  0.290\n101  Cin,oliver            0.334  0.208  0.208  0.345\n103  SnD,gardner           0.332  0.238  0.333  0.273\n103  Los,reed              0.332  0.276  0.276  0.323\n105  Phi,hollins           0.327  0.226  0.290  0.294\n106  *Florida              0.326  0.226  0.268  0.311\n107  Los,davis             0.325  0.188  0.219  0.278\n108  Atl,pendleton         0.322  0.212  0.273  0.297\n109  SnF,clark             0.316  0.161  0.290  0.257\n110  Los,strawberry        0.314  0.111  0.185  0.314\n110  Hou,biggio            0.314  0.179  0.214  0.303\n112  Phi,bell              0.304  0.182  0.364  0.217\n113  Flo,magadan           0.303  0.182  0.182  0.357\n114  StL,pagnozzi          0.299  0.158  0.316  0.238\n115  Pit,martin            0.295  0.167  0.417  0.167\n115  Col,bichette          0.295  0.222  0.389  0.222\n117  Hou,taubensee         0.294  0.190  0.333  0.227\n118  Mon,bolick            0.292  0.250  0.312  0.250\n119  Flo,pose              0.291  0.258  0.323  0.303\n120  Mon,cianfrocco        0.287  0.188  0.375  0.188\n121  NYM,johnson           0.274  0.136  0.136  0.296\n122  Cin,kelly             0.272  0.250  0.333  0.270\n123  Atl,nixon             0.256  0.185  0.222  0.241\n124  NYM,pitcher           0.255  0.167  0.250  0.231\n125  Pit,pitcher           0.250  0.222  0.278  0.222\n126  Cub,buechle           0.231  0.154  0.192  0.241\n127  StL,lankford          0.225  0.133  0.133  0.316\n128  Atl,olson             0.224  0.150  0.150  0.261\n129  Cub,vizcaino          0.217  0.148  0.259  0.179\n130  Cub,sanchez           0.212  0.188  0.219  0.212\n131  Phi,duncan            0.202  0.214  0.214  0.214\n132  Los,offerman          0.198  0.182  0.182  0.250\n133  SnF,pitcher           0.197  0.176  0.235  0.176\n134  Mon,laker             0.183  0.133  0.267  0.133\n135  Phi,chamberlain       0.180  0.111  0.111  0.200\n136  SnD,pitcher           0.164  0.182  0.182  0.182\n136  Atl,pitcher           0.164  0.182  0.182  0.182\n138  Phi,pitcher           0.159  0.111  0.167  0.158\n139  Cub,maldonado         0.150  0.105  0.158  0.150\n140  Flo,felix             0.148  0.172  0.207  0.172\n141 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       | schmidt@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov\nM\/S 525-3684              |\nPasadena, CA  91109       |\n","142":"From: slc@a2.cim.cdc.com (Steve Chesney x4662)\nSubject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X\nReply-To: slc@.cdc.com\nOrganization: Metaphase Technology, Inc.\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.170922.1911@odetics.com>, dale@odetics.com (Dale Pischke) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.195853.16179@samba.oit.unc.edu> dil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes:\n>>Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this\n>>card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on \n>>latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors\n>>in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup.\n>\n>I had the exact same failure with the 24X and Word for Windows.\n>A quick call to Microsoft indicated it was problem with the\n>24X drivers. You need to call Diamond and get the new drivers,\n>I think version 2.03 fixes the above problem, there may be later\n>versions that I'm unaware of...\n>\n\nVersion 2.03 drivers are current.\n-- \nSteve Chesney                                    slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com     \nMetaphase Technology Inc.                        612-482-4662 (voice)\n4233 North Lexington Avenue                      612-482-4001 (fax)\nArden Hills, MN  55126\n","143":"From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito)\nSubject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....\nOrganization: Encore Computer Corp.\nIn-Reply-To: ericm@microunity.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:22:22 GMT\n\t<1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com>\nNntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com\nLines: 23\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:\n\n   Watch out.  Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means\n   that they were or are looking to steal the bike.  In my case, I\n   had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an\n   apartment carport and not visible from the street.  They evidently\n   decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to\n   steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building.\n   A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops.\n\n\nI know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the\nthings that is really good about BMW bikes.  From all accounts I've\nheard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto\nGuzzis and other relative \"exotics\" since there isn't a large demand\nfor parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems\nthat the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes. \n\n--\nJonathan E. Polito \t\t    Internet: jpolito@encore.com\nEncore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC  27511  USA\n919-481-3730\/voice  \t\t\t\t919-481-3868\/FAX\n","144":"Subject: roman.bmp 09\/14------------ Part 9 of 14 ------------\nFrom: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)\nReply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of South Dakota\nLines: 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End of part 9 of 14 --------\n\nKeywords: \n\n\n","145":"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)\nSubject: Quack-Quack (was Re: Candida(yeast) Bloom, Fact or Fiction)\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 69\n\nIn article rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind) writes:\n\n>Do you believe that any quacks exist?  How about quack diagnoses?  Is\n>being a \"licensed physician\" enough to guarantee that someone is not\n>a quack, or is it just that even if a licensed physician is a quack,\n>other people shouldn't say so?  Can you give an example of a\n>commonly diagnosed ailment that you think is a quack diagnosis,\n>or have we gotten to the point in civilization where we no longer\n>need to worry about unscrupulous \"healers\" taking advantage of\n>people.\n\n\nI would say there are also significant numbers of unscrupulous doctors (of\nthe squeaky-clean, traditional crew-cut, talk to the AMA before starting\nany treatment, kind) who recommend treatments that, though \"accepted\", may\nnot be necessary for the patient at the time.  And all for making a quick\nbuck.  I would not be surprised if the cost of medical services in the U.S. is\nsignificantly inflated by these \"quacks of a different color\".  In fact, I'd\nsay these doctors are the most dangerous since they call into question the\ntrue focus of the medical profession.  The AMA and the Boards should focus\non these \"quacks\" instead of devoting unbelievable energy on 'search-and-\ndestroy-missions' to pull the licenses of those doctors who are trying non-\ntraditional or not fully accepted treatments for their desperate patients\nthat traditional\/accepted medicine cannot help.\n\n\n***************************************************\nNow to make a general comment on many recent posts:\n***************************************************\n\nLately I've seen the word \"quack\" bandied about recklessly.  When a doctor or\ndoctor-wanna-be has decided to quit discussing any controversial medical\nsubject in a civilized manner, all he\/she has to do is say \"quack-quack\" and\nsomehow they magically expect the readership of this newsgroup to roll over\non their backs and pee-pee on themselves in obedience.  What do they teach\nyou in medical school - how to throw your authority around?\n\nLet me put it another way to make my point clear:  \"quack\" is a nebulous word\nlacking in any precision.  Its sole use is to obfuscate the issues at hand.\nThe indiscriminate use of this word is a sure sign of incompetency;  and coming\nfrom any medical doctor (or wanna-be), where competency is expected, is real\nscary.\n\nBut what do I know, I've already been diagnosed by the sci.med.gods in this\nnewsgroup as being 'anal retentive', and 'psychotic'.  I look forward to more\nnet.diagnoses.  Hey, they're free.\n\n\nJon \"Quacks 'R Us\" Noring\n\n\n(p.s., may I suggest - seriously - that if the doctors and wanna-be-doctors on\nthe net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and\ntheories, such as the \"yeast theory\", should create your own moderated group.\nYou can call it sci.med.traditional.moderated or sci.med.AMA-approved, so you\ncan keep anal-retentives like me out of it.)\n\n-- \n\nCharter Member --->>>  INFJ Club.\n\nIf you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info.\n=============================================================================\n| Jon Noring          | noring@netcom.com        |                          |\n| JKN International   | IP    : 192.100.81.100   | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE |\n| 1312 Carlton Place  | Phone : (510) 294-8153   | CHIPS - World's Best!    |\n| Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101   |                          |\n=============================================================================\nWho are you?  Read alt.psychology.personality!  That's where the action is.\n","146":"From: jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella)\nSubject: Re: Is Anyone Using Video For Windows?\nKeywords: Video Windows\nOrganization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science\nDistribution: na\nLines: 4\n\nMy suggestion would be to contact Microsoft about the Video4Windows SDK.\nYou would need to call Developer Services at (800)227-4679 extension 11771\nfrom 6:30am to 5:30pm Pacific time.\n\n","147":"From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com\nSubject: Re: Gulf War and Peace-niks\nLines: 67\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.062328.19776@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, \ndgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:\n\n[...]\n> \n> Wait a minute.  You said *never* play a Chamberlain.  Since the US\n> *is* playing Chamberlain as far as East Timor is concerned, wouldn't\n> that lead you to think that your argument is irrelevant and had nothing\n> to do with the Gulf War?  Actually, I rather like your idea.  Perhaps\n> the rest of the world should have bombed (or maybe missiled) Washington\n> when the US invaded Nicaragua, Grenada, Panama, Vietnam, Mexico, Hawaii,\n> or any number of other places.\n\nWait a minute, Doug.  I know you are better informed than that.  The US \nhas never invaded Nicaragua (as far as I know).  We liberated Grenada \nfrom the Cubans\tto protect US citizens there and to prevent the completion \nof a strategic air strip.  Panama we invaded, true (twice this century).  \nVietnam?  We were invited in by the government of S. Vietnam.  (I guess \nwe \"invaded\" Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, eh?)  Mexico?  We have \ninvaded Mexico 2 or 3 times, once this century, but there were no missiles \nfor anyone to shoot over here at that time.  Hawaii?  We liberated it from \nSpain.\n\nSo if you mean by the word \"invaded\" some sort of military action where\nwe cross someone's border, you are right 5 out of 6.  But normally\n\"invaded\" carries a connotation of attacking an autonomous nation.\n(If some nation \"invades\" the U.S. Virgin Islands, would they be\ninvading the Virgin Islands or the U.S.?)  So from this point of\nview, your score falls to 2 out of 6 (Mexico, Panama).\n\n[...]\n> \n> What's a \"peace-nik\"?  Is that somebody who *doesn't* masturbate\n> over \"Guns'n'Ammo\" or what?  Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik?\n\nNo, it's someone who believes in \"peace-at-all-costs\".  In other words,\na person who would have supported giving Hitler not only Austria and\nCzechoslakia, but Poland too if it could have averted the War.  And one\nwho would allow Hitler to wipe all *all* Jews, slavs, and political \ndissidents in areas he controlled as long as he left the rest of us alone.\n\n\"Is it supposed to be bad to be a peace-nik,\" you ask?  Well, it depends\non what your values are.  If you value life over liberty, peace over\nfreedom, then I guess not.  But if liberty and freedom mean more to you\nthan life itself; if you'd rather die fighting for liberty than live\nunder a tyrant's heel, then yes, it's \"bad\" to be a peace-nik.\n\nThe problem with most peace-niks it they consider those of us who are\nnot like them to be \"bad\" and \"unconscionable\".  I would not have any\nargument or problem with a peace-nik if they held to their ideals and\nstayed out of all conflicts or issues, especially those dealing with \nthe national defense.  But no, they are not willing to allow us to\nlegitimately hold a different point-of-view.  They militate and \nmany times resort to violence all in the name of peace.  (What rank\nhypocrisy!)  All to stop we \"warmongers\" who are willing to stand up \nand defend our freedoms against tyrants, and who realize that to do\nso requires a strong national defense.\n\nTime to get off the soapbox now.  :)\n\n[...]\n> --\n> Doug Graham         dgraham@bnr.ca         My opinions are my own.\n\nRegards,\n\nJim B.\n","148":"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Deification\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.30.35.1993.14329@athos.rutgers.edu> HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com writes:\n>Aaron Bryce Cardenas writes:\n>After all, what does prophesy mean?  Secondly, what is an Apostle?  Answer:\n>an especial witness--one who is suppose to be a personal witness.  That means\n>to be a true apostle, one must have Christ appear to them.  Now lets see\n>when did the church quit claiming ......?\n\nActually, an apostle is someone who is sent.  If you will, mailmen could\nbe called apostles in that sense.  However, with Jesus, they were\ndesignated and were given power.  Remember that there were many\nthousands of people who witnessed what Jesus did.  That didn't make them\napostles, though.\n\nJoe Fisher\n","149":"From: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu (Doug Mohney)\nSubject: Re: Moonbase race\nOrganization: Computer Aided Design Lab, U. of Maryland College Park\nLines: 13\nReply-To: sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: queen.eng.umd.edu\n\nIn article <C5tEIK.7z9@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:\n\n>Apollo was done the hard way, in a big hurry, from a very limited\n>technology base... and on government contracts.  Just doing it privately,\n>rather than as a government project, cuts costs by a factor of several.\n\nSo how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the\nU.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? \n\n\n\n    Software engineering? That's like military intelligence, isn't it?\n  -- >                  SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU                        < --\n","150":"From: weston@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (weston t)\nSubject: graphical representation of vector-valued functions\nOrganization: SDSU Computing Services\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ucssun1.sdsu.edu\n\ngnuplot, etc. make it easy to plot real valued functions of 2 variables\nbut I want to plot functions whose values are 2-vectors. I have been \ndoing this by plotting arrays of arrows (complete with arrowheads) but\nbefore going further, I thought I would ask whether someone has already\ndone the work. Any pointers??\n\nthanx in advance\n\n\nTom Weston                    | USENET: weston@ucssun1.sdsu.edu\nDepartment of Philosophy      | (619) 594-6218 (office)\nSan Diego State Univ.         | (619) 575-7477 (home)\nSan Diego, CA 92182-0303      | \n","151":"From: chico@ccsun.unicamp.br (Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues)\nSubject: New planet\/Kuiper object found?\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 28\n\n\n\tTonigth a TV journal here in Brasil announced that an object,\nbeyond Pluto's orbit, was found by an observatory at Hawaii. They\nnamed the object Karla.\n\n\tThe program said the object wasn't a gaseous giant planet, and\nshould be composed by rocks and ices.\n\n\tCan someone confirm these information? Could this object be a\nnew planet or a Kuiper object?\n\n\tThanks in advance.\n\n\tFrancisco.\n\n-----------------------=====================================----the stars,----\n|    ._,               | Francisco da Fonseca Rodrigues    |       o   o     |\n|  ,_| |._\/\\           |                                   |     o         o |\n|  |       |o\/^^~-._   | COTUCA-Colegio Tecnico da UNICAMP |   o             |\n|\/-'    BRASIL      | ~|                                   |  o      o o     |\n|\\__\/|_            \/'  | Depto de Processamento de Dados   |  o    o  o  o   |\n|      \\__  Cps   | .  |                                   |   o  o  o    o  |\n|        |   * __\/'    | InterNet : chico@ccsun.unicamp.br |     o o      o  |\n|        >   \/'        |            cotuca@ccvax.unicamp.br|             o   |\n|      \/'   \/'         | Fone\/Fax : 55-0192-32-9519        | o         o     |\n|     ~~^\\\/'           | Campinas - SP - Brasil            |    o   o        |\n-----------------------=====================================----like dust.----\n\n","152":"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nSubject: Re: Legality of the jewish purchase\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 96\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.214951.19180@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:\n>\n>(Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes\n>   > Sam Zbib Writes\n>   >>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.\n>   >>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about\n>   >>anti-trust in the business world.\n>   >>\n>   >>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial\n>   >>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines\n>   >>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says\n>   >>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of\n>   >>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those\n>   >>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so\n>   >>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,\n>   >>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some\n>   >>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.\n>   >They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.\n>   >>\n>   >>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the\n>   >>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic \/\n>   >>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours\n>   >>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair\n>   >>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of\n>   >>an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist\n>   >>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).\n>   >>\n>\n>>Right now, I'm just going to address this point.\n>>When the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land,\n>>It didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because,\n>>for the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin),\n>>living on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.\n>>The JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of\n>>it.   It's called commerce.  The owners, however, made no \n>>provisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting \n>>them by selling the land right out from under them.\n>>They are to blame, not the Jews.\n>>\n>>\n>\n>Amir: \n>Why would you categorize the sale of land as shafting? was\n>it because it was sold to Jews? was it fair to assume that the \n>fallahin would be mistreated by the jews? is this the norm of \n>any commerce (read shafting) between arabs and  jews? \n\nIt was shafting on the part of the Arab land owners for doing it \nwithout notifying their tenant farmers and for not being responsible \nenough to make provisions for them, but rather just leaving\nthem to their fate.\n>\n>Your claim that the Lebanese\/Syrian Landlords sold Palestine\n>(if true, even partially) omits the fact that the mandate\n>treaty put Lebanon and Syria under French rule, while\n>Palestine under british.  Obiviously, any such landlord\n>would have found himself a foreigner in Palestine and would\n>be motivated to sell, regardless of the price.\n\nThe point is that the land was sold legally, often at prices\nabove its actual value.  It was legal, and good business for\nthe sellers, though it left the Palestinians who worked the land\nin a poor situation.  \n>\n>It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the\n>palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share\n>your opinion ?  Do you  absolve the purchaser from\n>any ethical commitments just because it wasn't written down? \n\nI don't know if others share this opinion.  It is mine,\nand I'm sure there are some who agree and some who don't\nThe way I see it, the fallahin were caught in circumstances \nbeyond their control, in that since they didn't own the land,\nthey didn't have a say. Of course, now for the sake of the \"greater \nArab unity\" the Arabs are angry that the land was sold to the Jews\n(an act that is illegal in Jordan), but when it happened, it was just \nbusiness.   \n>\n>All told, I did not see an answer in your response. The\n>question was whether the intent behind the purchase was\n>aimed at controlling the public assets (land,\n>infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds\n>to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court.\n>\n>Sam \n>\n>       My opinions are my own and no one else's\n\nThe purpose of buying the land was to provide space and jobs for \nJewish immigrants.  In any case, no matter what the purpose, \nthe sales were legal, so I really don't see any grounds for \ncontesting them.\n\nAmir\n\n\n","153":"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nSubject: Space FAQ 09\/15 - Mission Schedules\nSupersedes: <schedule_730956538@cs.unc.edu>\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nLines: 177\nDistribution: world\nExpires: 6 May 1993 19:59:07 GMT\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\n\nArchive-name: space\/schedule\nLast-modified: $Date: 93\/04\/01 14:39:23 $\n\nSPACE SHUTTLE ANSWERS, LAUNCH SCHEDULES, TV COVERAGE\n\n    SHUTTLE LAUNCHINGS AND LANDINGS; SCHEDULES AND HOW TO SEE THEM\n\n    Shuttle operations are discussed in the Usenet group sci.space.shuttle,\n    and Ken Hollis (gandalf@pro-electric.cts.com) posts a compressed version\n    of the shuttle manifest (launch dates and other information)\n    periodically there. The manifest is also available from the Ames SPACE\n    archive in SPACE\/FAQ\/manifest. The portion of his manifest formerly\n    included in this FAQ has been removed; please refer to his posting or\n    the archived copy. For the most up to date information on upcoming\n    missions, call (407) 867-INFO (867-4636) at Kennedy Space Center.\n\n    Official NASA shuttle status reports are posted to sci.space.news\n    frequently.\n\n\n    WHY DOES THE SHUTTLE ROLL JUST AFTER LIFTOFF?\n\n    The following answer and translation are provided by Ken Jenks\n    (kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov).\n\n    The \"Ascent Guidance and Flight Control Training Manual,\" ASC G&C 2102,\n    says:\n\n\t\"During the vertical rise phase, the launch pad attitude is\n\tcommanded until an I-loaded V(rel) sufficient to assure launch tower\n\tclearance is achieved. Then, the tilt maneuver (roll program)\n\torients the vehicle to a heads down attitude required to generate a\n\tnegative q-alpha, which in turn alleviates structural loading. Other\n\tadvantages with this attitude are performance gain, decreased abort\n\tmaneuver complexity, improved S-band look angles, and crew view of\n\tthe horizon. The tilt maneuver is also required to start gaining\n\tdownrange velocity to achieve the main engine cutoff (MECO) target\n\tin second stage.\"\n\n    This really is a good answer, but it's couched in NASA jargon. I'll try\n    to interpret.\n\n    1)\tWe wait until the Shuttle clears the tower before rolling.\n\n    2)\tThen, we roll the Shuttle around so that the angle of attack\n\tbetween the wind caused by passage through the atmosphere (the\n\t\"relative wind\") and the chord of the wings (the imaginary line\n\tbetween the leading edge and the trailing edge) is a slightly\n\tnegative angle (\"a negative q-alpha\").\tThis causes a little bit of\n\t\"downward\" force (toward the belly of the Orbiter, or the +Z\n\tdirection) and this force \"alleviates structural loading.\"\n\tWe have to be careful about those wings -- they're about the\n\tmost \"delicate\" part of the vehicle.\n\n    3)\tThe new attitude (after the roll) also allows us to carry more\n\tmass to orbit, or to achieve a higher orbit with the same mass, or\n\tto change the orbit to a higher or lower inclination than would be\n\tthe case if we didn't roll (\"performance gain\").\n\n    4)\tThe new attitude allows the crew to fly a less complicated\n\tflight path if they had to execute one of the more dangerous abort\n\tmaneuvers, the Return To Launch Site (\"decreased abort maneuver\n\tcomplexity\").\n\n    5)\tThe new attitude improves the ability for ground-based radio\n\tantennae to have a good line-of-sight signal with the S-band radio\n\tantennae on the Orbiter (\"improved S-band look angles\").\n\n    6)\tThe new attitude allows the crew to see the horizon, which is a\n\thelpful (but not mandatory) part of piloting any flying machine.\n\n    7)\tThe new attitude orients the Shuttle so that the body is\n\tmore nearly parallel with the ground, and the nose to the east\n\t(usually).  This allows the thrust from the engines to add velocity\n\tin the correct direction to eventually achieve orbit.  Remember:\n\tvelocity is a vector quantity made of both speed and direction.\n\tThe Shuttle has to have a large horizontal component to its\n\tvelocity and a very small vertical component to attain orbit.\n\n    This all begs the question, \"Why isn't the launch pad oriented to give\n    this nice attitude to begin with?  Why does the Shuttle need to roll to\n    achieve that attitude?\"  The answer is that the pads were leftovers\n    from the Apollo days.  The Shuttle straddles two flame trenches -- one\n    for the Solid Rocket Motor exhaust, one for the Space Shuttle Main\n    Engine exhaust.  (You can see the effects of this on any daytime\n    launch.  The SRM exhaust is dirty gray garbage, and the SSME exhaust is\n    fluffy white steam.  Watch for the difference between the \"top\"\n    [Orbiter side] and the \"bottom\" [External Tank side] of the stack.) The\n    access tower and other support and service structure are all oriented\n    basically the same way they were for the Saturn V's.  (A side note: the\n    Saturn V's also had a roll program.  Don't ask me why -- I'm a Shuttle\n    guy.)\n\n    I checked with a buddy in Ascent Dynamics.\tHe added that the \"roll\n    maneuver\" is really a maneuver in all three axes: roll, pitch and yaw.\n    The roll component of that maneuver is performed for the reasons\n    stated.  The pitch component controls loading on the wings by keeping\n    the angle of attack (q-alpha) within a tight tolerance.  The yaw\n    component is used to determine the orbital inclination.  The total\n    maneuver is really expressed as a \"quaternion,\" a grad-level-math\n    concept for combining all three rotation matrices in one four-element\n    array.\n\n\n    HOW TO RECEIVE THE NASA TV CHANNEL, NASA SELECT\n\n    NASA SELECT is broadcast by satellite. If you have access to a satellite\n    dish, you can find SELECT on Satcom F2R, Transponder 13, C-Band, 72\n    degrees West Longitude, Audio 6.8, Frequency 3960 MHz. F2R is stationed\n    over the Atlantic, and is increasingly difficult to receive from\n    California and points west. During events of special interest (e.g.\n    shuttle missions), SELECT is sometimes broadcast on a second satellite\n    for these viewers.\n\n    If you can't get a satellite feed, some cable operators carry SELECT.\n    It's worth asking if yours doesn't.\n\n    The SELECT schedule is found in the NASA Headline News which is\n    frequently posted to sci.space.news. Generally it carries press\n    conferences, briefings by NASA officials, and live coverage of shuttle\n    missions and planetary encounters. SELECT has recently begun carrying\n    much more secondary material (associated with SPACELINK) when missions\n    are not being covered.\n\n\n    AMATEUR RADIO FREQUENCIES FOR SHUTTLE MISSIONS\n\n    The following are believed to rebroadcast space shuttle mission audio:\n\n\tW6FXN  - Los Angeles\n\tK6MF   - Ames Research Center, Mountain View, California\n\tWA3NAN - Goddard Space Flight Center (GSFC), Greenbelt, Maryland.\n\tW5RRR  - Johnson Space Center (JSC), Houston, Texas\n\tW6VIO  - Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, California.\n\tW1AW Voice Bulletins\n\n\tStation    VHF\t   10m\t   15m\t   20m\t  40m\t 80m\n\t------\t ------  ------  ------  ------  -----\t-----\n\tW6FXN\t 145.46\n\tK6MF\t 145.585\t\t\t 7.165\t3.840\n\tWA3NAN\t 147.45  28.650  21.395  14.295  7.185\t3.860\n\tW5RRR\t 146.64  28.400  21.350  14.280  7.227\t3.850\n\tW6VIO\t 224.04\t\t 21.340  14.270\n\tW6VIO\t 224.04\t\t 21.280  14.282  7.165\t3.840\n\tW1AW\t\t 28.590  21.390  14.290  7.290\t3.990\n\n    W5RRR transmits mission audio on 146.64, a special event station on the\n    other frequencies supplying Keplerian Elements and mission information.\n\n    W1AW also transmits on 147.555, 18.160. No mission audio but they\n    transmit voice bulletins at 0245 and 0545 UTC.\n\n    Frequencies in the 10-20m bands require USB and frequencies in the 40\n    and 80m bands LSB. Use FM for the VHF frequencies.\n\n    [This item was most recently updated courtesy of Gary Morris\n    (g@telesoft.com, KK6YB, N5QWC)]\n\n\n    SOLID ROCKET BOOSTER FUEL COMPOSITION\n\n    Reference: \"Shuttle Flight Operations Manual\" Volume 8B - Solid Rocket\n    Booster Systems, NASA Document JSC-12770\n\n    Propellant Composition (percent)\n\n    Ammonium perchlorate (oxidizer)\t\t\t69.6\n    Aluminum\t\t\t\t\t\t16\n    Iron Oxide (burn rate catalyst)\t\t\t0.4\n    Polybutadiene-acrilic acid-acrylonitrile (a rubber) 12.04\n    Epoxy curing agent\t\t\t\t\t1.96\n\n    End reference\n\n    Comment: The aluminum, rubber, and epoxy all burn with the oxidizer.\n\nNEXT: FAQ #10\/15 - Historical planetary probes\n","154":"From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon)\nSubject: Re: New Duo Dock info.\nSummary: You don't know the products \nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 27\n\n aw@camcon.co.uk (Alain Waha) writes:\n\n   >> nazario@pop.cis.yale.edu (Edgardo Nazario) writes:\n   >>The info I am about to give is not a rumour, it's the truth. The new\n   >>macintosh coming in the second quarter, will have a cpu of their own. \n\n ]Excuse me but... have not all Macs got a CPU!!!\n\n ]Alain\n\nAlain:\nGet your facts straight before you post something like this.  The Duo\nDock does not have a CPU of its own.  It is a docking station with \nports connecting various components, including the portable PowerBook\nwith its own CPU.  I guess these rumored new Duo Docks have a built-in\nCPU to perform functions of their own.  Interesting!  If they're not\ncompatible with the current Duo models, I think you'll be hearing a\nlot more \"screwed by Apple\" complaints.  Imagine a company obsoleting\n(ooh, a new verb!) a virtually brand new computer... sheesh...\n  \n Ken\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\nKenneth Simon               Dept of Sociology, Indiana University\nInternet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU              Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n","155":"From: st890123@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Joe Dropkin)\nSubject: Re: Apple announce 3 new performas (versions of the 400)\nReply-To: st890123@pip.cc.brandeis.edu\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr12.151718.8485@desire.wright.edu>, demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:\n>\tApple announced that it will start selling three new vesions of its\n>Performa 400.  The new machines will have built-in modems and bundled software.\n>\n>\tThe new models will be the 405, 430 and 450.\n>\n>\tPrices are not set by Apple, but by the retailer.  The prices of the\n>new machines are expected to range from $1300-$1900.\n\nWhat kind of post is this?  If you have something substantial to tell the world,\nthen at least give us details!  So what if they are coming out with new Macs,\nthey always do that... what's new about these models?  Etc...\n","156":"From: (Eric Youngblood)\nSubject: Re: Old Corvettes \/ Low insurance?\nReply-To: Peon w\/o Email (Eric Youngblood)\nNntp-Posting-Host: crchh435\nOrganization: BNR, Inc.\nLines: 47\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.011805.28485@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, swr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (SCOTT WARREN ROSANDER) writes:\n|> In article <C5Csux.Fn1@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Hei\n|> nz) writes:\n|> >After too many years of school I'm finally graduating and getting a real\n|> >job.  Of course I am trying to make plans of how to spend all this extra\n|> >money.  Right now I have an 89 accord, a good car, but not real sporty &\n|> >I was thinking of selling it in about two years and dropping around\n|> >$20k on a sports car of some kind.  After thinking about it, I may have a\n|> >better idea -- I'll keep the Accord until it drops and buy the car I've\n|> >always wanted -- a Corvette Stingray. My reasoning is that $8000 (accord)+\n|> >$8000 (corvette) =$16000 is less than what I would spend anyway.\n|> >\n|> >Basically, I'm thinking of a late 70's, early 80's for around $7-$10k.\n|> >My question is, what are good years to consider (for reliability, looks,\n|> >horsepower -- in that order, believe it or not, horsepower is not a main\n|> >concern, if I want to go fast, I get on my motorcycle) and what are\n|> >good prices?\n|> >\n|> >Also, what would insurance look like?  I'm male, single, 23 (I might\n|> >wait until I'm 25 to get the car = lower insurance). Would the fact that\n|> >I mainly drive the other car lower it?  Is there some type of \"classic\n|> >car\" or \"rarely driven\" insurance class for driving it under 10k miles\n|> >per year?\n|> >\n|>     My dad has a 66 vette and its on what you say 'classic insurance'.\n|>     Basically what that means is that it has restricted amount of driving\n|>     time, which basically means it cant be used as an every day car and would\n|>     probably suit your needs for limited mileage.\n|> -- \n\n\nIn addition to restricted mileage, many classic insurance carriers also require\nthat the vehicle be garaged when not in use.\n\n$0.02\n\nEricy\n\n\n      *---------------------------------+---------------------------*\n      | Eric Youngblood                                             |\n      | Bell-Northern Research    _                                 |\n      | Richardson, Texas 75082 _| ~-                               |\n      |                         \\,  _}                              |\n      |                           \\(    +---------------------------|\n      |                                 |   Peon w\/o Email privs    |\n      *---------------------------------+---------------------------*\n","157":"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602\/621-9615)\nSubject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died?\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 69\n\nJim Burhill writes:\n\n>Would you consider the word of an eye-witness (Peter) to testify to the\n>events surrounding Jesus' life?\n\n>No.  There are two problems here:\n\nBrian Kendig writes:\n\n>(1) Peter died two millenia ago.  The original letters he wrote have\n>long since decayed into dust.  If he were alive today and I could\n\nDo you question the existence of Alexander the Great, Tilgrath Pilisar III,\nNero, Caligula, Josephus, Cyrus the Great, Artexerxes?   Their documents\nhave decayed to dust too.  Brian, why another excuse? \n\n>(2) Even if Peter did witness the miracles of Jesus two millenia ago,\n>that doesn't mean that your deity is what the Bible says it is (God\n>might just be Satan, trying to convince everyone that he's a nice\n>guy), or even that your deity is still alive and active in the world\n>today.\n\nPeter wrote a bit of the Bible.  What Peter says about God is what\nthe Bible says.   \n\n\nConsider the Bible a court recording.  Over the period of thousands of\nyears, various people come up and testify of their experience with the\nliving God.  Up comes Abraham the wealthy rancher.  Up comes Moses,\nonce the high official of Egypt.  Up comes Elijah, a priest.  Up comes\nDavid, a mere shepherd who became King.  Up comes the pagan King \nNebuchanezzar.  Up comes the pagan King of Persia, Cyrus.  Up comes\nNehemiah, cupbearer to the King of Persia.  Then Matthew, an IRS agent\ntakes the stand.  Up comes Luke, an M.D.  Then Paul a Jew who use\nto kill Christians for fun.  Up comes John, a 17 year old boy.  Up\ncomes Peter, a fishermen.  Up comes James, the brother of Jesus himself.\nUp comes hundreds of others.  You hear testimony from fishermen, IRS\nagents, priests, Kings.  The court hearing lasts thousands of years\nwith people coming up and testifying about the God who calls himself\n\"I am.\" \n\nWhile you are listening to all this stuff, you realize that\nKing David could have never known John, Solomon could have never known\nMatthew, Nehemiah could have never known Peter.  You realize that all these\npeople are independent witnesses, and so, you rule out collaboration.  Yet\nall of the witnesses tell of the same God.   Each testifier tells\nof his own experiences with the living God.  Each experience is\ndifferent, but each experience has enough cross-over to unmistakenly\nreveal that each one of these people is talking about the very same God.\nWhat Daniel did not know about God, the 3rd Highest Official of\nBabylon, God revealed to John 600 years later--but with a different\nperspective.  No two testimonies are identical.  Each testimony\ndares to venture off what is already known.  Yet each witness's\ntestimony, even though different from those prior, consistently\ndescribes harmoniously fitting facets of the character of the same God.  \n\nNow.  As we stare gazing at the computer, you got this seeming fanatic\non the other end of the net, saying, I know this God  \"I am\".  He has\nrevealed himself to me too.  He also calls himself Jesus (John 8:58).\nPlease believe me.  I am telling the truth.  It is wonderful to know him.\n\nAre you going to just pass off all this testimony as fictiousness? \nAre you going to call three thousand years worth of testimony from\nshepherds to IRS agents to royal officials to kings to computer\nprogrammers, fiction?  With a scoff of your keyboard, with near\ncomplete ignorance of the testimonies, are you going to say that\nthat is all complete hooey?   Would that not be the most audacious\ndisplay of arrogance?  Do you actually think you know better than\nKing Solomon, King David, or even Abraham Lincolnr?\n","158":"From: thester@nyx.cs.du.edu (Uncle Fester)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nX-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University\n\tof Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither\n\tcontrol over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math\/CS dept.\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <5103@moscom.com> mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar) writes:\n>Cyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote:\n>: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:\n>: >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its\n>: >\"current directory\".\n>\n>: I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use\n>: to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then\n>: invokes it.  every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file\n>: is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on.\n>\n>I posted this as well before the cview \"expert\".  Apparently, he thought\nhe\n>knew better.\n>\n>Matthew Zenkar\n>mz@moscom.com\n\n\n     Are we talking about ColorView for DOS here?  \n     I have version 2.0 and it writes the temp files to its own\n     current directory.\n     What later versions do, I admit that I don't know.\n     Assuming your \"expert\" referenced above is talking about\n     the version that I have, then I'd say he is correct.\n     Is the ColorView for unix what is being discussed?\n     Just mixed up, confused, befuddled, but genuinely and\n     entirely curious....\n\n     Uncle Fester\n\n--\n           :     What God Wants      :  God wants gigolos          :\n           :        God gets         :  God wants giraffes         :\n           :     God help us all     :  God wants politics         :\n           : *thester@nyx.cs.du.edu* :  God wants a good laugh     :\n","159":"From: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au\nSubject: re: technology\nReply-To: morgan@socs.uts.edu.au\nOrganization: University of Technology Sydney\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <Apr.2.02.36.53.1993.22906@athos.rutgers.edu> cathye@cs.uq.oz.au writes:\n>I am fairly new to this group. \n>I was wondering about people's opinions on \n>ethical uses of the net, and of technology in general.\n\nthe classic references in this area are Jacques Ellul for a\nliberal\/evangelical perspective and Os Guiness for a straight\nevangelical view.  If you want to look at non-christian sources\ntry Alvin Toffler as the perennial optimist.  His views while\nblatently non christian explore where technology may be going.\n\n>For example, there are some chain letters going\n>around which claim to have been written by a Christian missionary, but\n>which present a misleading image of the Christian religion. \n\nThis is regardless of technology.  Be careful to separate the issues of\nrelated to speed and dispersion of technology (how far the letter\nwent and how quickly it got there) and the message being passed in the\ntechnology (something that seems to be totally wrong.)\n\n>How can we help to make best use of computer technology ?\n\nWhen lecturing in this area I challenge my (non-christan\/atheistic) class\nabout the impact technology has on life, quality of life and the rights\nthat they consider important.  Depending on how you work out your\nfaith will determine your response to the use of technology.  For example\nfriends of mine are considering IVF due to a life threatening situation the\nwife is going through; when it is over they will have the baby. (God\nwilling).  In this case the technology is available and my friends have to\ndecide what to do.  In all cases though you must decide if the technology\nis against God's revealed word.\n\nRegards\n David\n--\nDavid Morgan| University of Technology Sydney | morgan@socs.uts.edu.au _--_|\\\n            | Po Box 123 Broadway NSW 2007    | Ph: + 61 2 330 1864   \/      \\\n            | 15-73 Broadway Sydney           | Fax: +61 2 330 1807   \\_.--._\/\n\"I paid good money to get my opinions; you get them for free\"                v\n","160":"From: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU \nSubject: Re: Water on the brain (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust)\nOriginator: hasan@lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nNntp-Posting-Host: lightning.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nOrganization: McGill Research Centre for  Intelligent Machines\nLines: 15\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:\n|> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel\n|> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.\n|> -- \n|> Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org\nMr. water-head,\ni never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that\nisrael went into southern lebanon to  make sure that no \nwater is being used on the lebanese\nside, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there\nisrael will use it  !#$%^%&&*-head.\n\nHasan \n","161":"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C518B1.AMF@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n>: >: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental\n>: >: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics).  In the same year, the UK\n>: >: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics).  The population\n>: >: > of the UK is about 1\/5 that of the US (10,000 \/ (35 * 5)).  Weighted\n>: >: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the\n>: >: > UK.  And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as\n>: >: > many people with baseball bats.\n\n>: If you examine the figures, they do. Stabbing is favourite, closely\n>: followed by striking, punching, kicking. Many more people are burnt to\n>: death in Britain as are shot to death. Take at look and you'll see for\n>: yourself. \n\n>It means that very few people are shot to death in Great Britain.\n\nAnd I'm sure that is a great comfort to the widows and children of\nthose stabbed, beaten and burned to death. The real question is,\n\"Did the crime rate in England go down, after they enacted \ngun control laws?\" If you look at the rates before and after their\nfirst such law in 1920, you will see no effect.\n\n                                          Frank Crary\n                                          CU Boulder\n","162":"From: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)\nSubject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500...\nKeywords: printer\nArticle-I.D.: ics.2BD73621.3894\nReply-To: tittle@ics.uci.edu (Cindy Tittle Moore)\nOrganization: ICS Dept., UC Irvine\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: alexandre-dumas.ics.uci.edu\n\nI edited a few newsgroup from that line (don't like to crosspost THAT\nmuch).  I can't compare the two, but I recently got an HP DeskJet 500.\n\nI'm very pleased with the output (remember that I'm used to imagens,\nlaser and postscript printers at school -- looks very good.  You have\nto be careful to let it dry before touching it, as it will smudge.\n\nThe deskjet is SLOW.  This is in comparison to the other printers I\nmentioned.  I have no idea how the bubblejet compares.\n\nThe interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not\nhad any problems with it.\n\nHope that helps some.\n\n--Cindy\n\n--\nCindy Tittle Moore\n\nInternet: tittle@ics.uci.edu       | BITNET: cltittle@uci.bitnet\nUUCP:     ...!ucbvax!ucivax!tittle | Usnail: PO Box 4188, Irvine CA, 92716\n","163":"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes)\nSubject: Re: Satan kicked out of heaven: Biblical?\nReply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 42\n\nIn article <May.7.01.09.04.1993.14501@athos.rutgers.edu> easteee@wkuvx1.bitnet writes:\n>Hello all,\n>     I have a question about Satan.  I was taught a long time ago\n>that Satan was really an angel of God and was kicked out of heaven\n>because he challenged God's authority.  The problem is, I cannot\n>find this in the Bible.  Is it in the Bible?  If not, where did it\n>originate?\n\ni did a workshop on this for an episcopalian student gathering a\ncouple months ago because i wanted to know the answer too.  as far as\ni could tell, although that story was never specifically _told_ in the\nbible, many references are made to it, primarily in the new testament.\nin the old testament there is actually an entirely different view of\nsatan as a (excuse the pun) \"devil's advocate\" for yahweh.  see the\nbook of job.  getting back to the fallen angel story, there are _no_\nreferences to \"lucifer\" in the bible except for a mistranslation of\n\"the morning star\" in the king james version (isaiah 14:12), which\nprobably referred to a babylonian monarch much in the same was as \"the\nsun king\" referred to louis xiv.  \n\nall in all, i don't know where the story _came from_; it may have been\nrolling around for a long time, or milton (_paradise lost_) may have\ninvented it.  sorry for the sketchiness of the rest of this, but i am\nin a hurry and need to eat lunch!  feel free to email me about the\nother stuff i found out....  (although a lot of it is just the result\nof a bible concordance program called \"quickverse\" -- it's really\nlousy, by the way -- don't buy it.) \n\n>Wondering,\n>Eddie\n>______ __   ___  ___           o  __   ___  |    Western  Kentucky    |\n>  \/   \/__) \/__  \/__  \/     )  \/  \/__) \/__   |       University        |\n> \/   \/  \\ (___ (___ (__\/__\/  \/  \/  \\ (___   |  EASTEEE@WKUVX1.BITNET  |\n\nhope this helped!\nvera\n______\nje cherche une ame, qui\t\t\tof course i don't agree with  \npourra m'aider\t\t\t\tmylene farmer's religious views;\nje suis\t\t\t\t\ti just think they're interesting.\nd'une generation desenchantee\t\t(vera noyes)\n    - mylene farmer\t\t\tnoye@midway.uchicago.edu\n","164":"From: cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo)\nSubject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions\nOrganization: Symantec\/Peter Norton Group\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 155.64.151.14\n\nalird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu writes:\n>>Today (4\/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to \n>>make room for Harkey?\n\nShawn Boskie.\n","165":"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter)\nSubject: Re: Can Microwaves Be Used To Collect XYZ Coordinates\nOrganization: Boeing\nLines: 6\n\nWhere can you get info (brochures...) on Differential GPS Systems and where to \nbuy them?\n\nBobC\n\n\n","166":"From: bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Baker)\nSubject: OAKLEYS for sale (Bulls vs. Blazers too!)\nKeywords: Good Deal!\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Purdue University\nLines: 10\n\nI have a pair of Oakleys that cost about $100 new a year ago.  I hardly ever\nwore them because they just don't look right on me.  They are orange and\nblue and are the \"blade\" kind (Terminator style).  I am willing to sell these\nfor $40 to the first response I get. \nI also have a Bulls vs. Blazers game for the SNES that is in perfect\ncondition.  I am selling it for $35.  It includes the instruction manual.\n\n\n                                John\n                                bakerjn@sage.cc.purdue.edu\n","167":"From: mcdowell@iies.ecn.purdue.edu (James M McDowell)\nSubject: Texas Ranger Ticket Info\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 4\n\nWould someone please give me the address for Texas Ranger\nticket orders. Thanks very much.\n\nJim\n","168":"Subject: HELP!! How to get refund from Visual Images?\nFrom: koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)\nOrganization: Hiram College\nNntp-Posting-Host: hirama.hiram.edu\nLines: 28\n\nI participated a promotion by a company called Visual Images. \nThey sent me a award certificate three months ago and asked \nme to buy their promotion package in order to receive the major\naward. They mislabled my address and I did not receive my package\nuntil one month ago. I was mad and angry about how it took them\nso long to get my package. So I wrote them a letter and requested\nfor a refund. They never return my letter. I was lucky enough to\nfind out their telephone number through operator and received the\npackage. I immediately returned the package and wrote them another\nletter to ask for refund. The package was returned because they\naddress they put on the package was incorrect. I attempted to \ncall them and learnd that they have changed their telephone number.\nIt took me at least 10 phone calls to find out their new number,\nbut they refused to take any responsibility. I spoke to their\nmanager and she said she would call me back, but she has not call\nyet. But I was able to get their address from their front desk.\nShould I just go ahead and send the package? Or should I waite until\nthey call me back?\n\nI know there are several people on the net has experience with the\nsame company. I would like to know how they got their money back.\nIf you have similar experience, please advise me.\n\nThanks in advance,\n\nDouglas Kou\nHiram College\n\n","169":"Organization: Central Michigan University\nFrom: <3MWIEU4@CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU>\nSubject: DAK shorwave radio\nLines: 3\n\n     Digitally-tuned shorwave radio with alarm clock and 5 presets per band.\n       Has AM, FM, SW1, and SW2 bands.   Asking $25 + shppg.\n         Reply for more details.    Thanks      Pete 3mwieu4@cmuvm.cmich.edu\n","170":"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.164638.27218@galileo.cc.rochester.edu>, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia) writes:\n> In <15378@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n# #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.\n# #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.\n# #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,\n# #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that\n# #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general\n# #male population.  It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for\n# #straight men vs. gay\/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically\n# #how much more promiscuous gay\/bi men are.\n# \n# Possibly because gay\/bi men are less likely to get married?\n\nMarriage isn't a requirement for a couple staying together.\n\n# What was the purpose of this post?  If it was to show a mindless obsession\n# with statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent\n# hatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache.\n# \n# (a) Get a clue.  (b) Get a life.  (c) Get out of my face.  I'm not in yours.\n# \n# ----bi    Andrew D. Simchik\t\t\t\t\tSCHNOPIA!\n\nYes you are.  When you and the rest of the homosexual community\npass laws to impose your moral codes on me, by requiring me to\nhire, rent to, or otherwise associate with a homosexual against\nmy will, yes, you are in my face.  Until homosexuals stop trying\nto impose their morals on me, I will be in your face about this.\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n","171":"From: bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nNntp-Posting-Host: bolero\nOrganization: a2i network\nLines: 14\n\nIn <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes:\n\n>A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I\n>am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)\n>Thanks!\n> \n\nHo boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do\nany other graphics in Linux without X windows!  I love Linux because it is\nso easy to learn..  You want text?  Okay.   Use Linux. You want text AND\ngraphics?  Use Linux with X windows.  Simple.  Painless.  REQUIRED to have\nX Windows if you want graphics!  This includes fancy word processors like\ndoc, image viewers like xv, etc.\n\n","172":"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Re: Good for hockey\/Bad for hockey\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <Rs2J2B8w164w@cellar.org>, darling@cellar.org (Thomas Darling) writes:\n> jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:\n> \n>> In article <1ppdccINNbe1@dev-null.phys.psu.edu>, stimpy@dev-null.phys.psu.edu\n>> > In article <C4wxnF.Bx1@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> mfoster@alliant.backbo\n>> > >I prefer the Miami Colons myself.  Headline: FLAMES BLOW OUT COLONS, 9-1\n>> > \n>> > Would Kevin Dineen play for the Miami Colons???\n>> \n>> As a Flyers fan, I resent you making Kevin Dineen the butt of your\n>> jokes:-)!\n> \n> Aw, just take a moment to digest it and I'm sure you'll see the humour...\n> \n> ^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\\\\\\^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^\n> Thomas A. Darling \\\\\\ The Cellar BBS & Public Access System: 215.539.3043\n> darling@cellar.org \\\\\\ GEnie: T.DARLING \\\\ FactHQ \"Truth Thru Technology\"\n> v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~\\\\\\~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v~v\n\n\nIf anybody is having problems following the thread be sure to ask the\norigonal poster to rectify your misunderstanding.\n\nKOZ\nLETS GO CAPS!!!\n","173":"From: kimd@rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu (Daniel Chungwan Kim)\nSubject: WANTED: Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS\nKeywords: wanted\nNntp-Posting-Host: rs6401.ecs.rpi.edu\nLines: 11\n\n\n\n\tI am looking for Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS.\nIf anybody out there has one for sale, semd email with \nthe name of brand, condition of projector, and price for\nsale to kimd@rpi.edu\n(IT MUST HAVE SOUND CAPABILITY)\n\ndanny\nkimd@rpi.edu\n\n","174":"Subject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats\/results)\nFrom: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca\nOrganization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <ofnmaO_00iV1A6kYd2@andrew.cmu.edu> Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at\n>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and\n>excellent forwards and defensemen.  Shooter in Richer, an all around do\n>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play\n\nKevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow\nthe Devils, anyway? Jeez....\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tAlan\n","175":"From: bshaw@spdc.ti.com (Bob Shaw)\nSubject: SUMMARY  xon and X11R5\nNntp-Posting-Host: bobasun\nOrganization: TI Semiconductor Process and Design Center\nLines: 15\n\n\nHi folks\nThanks to the ones that replied, however, my problem turned out\nto be very simple.\n\nIn my .Xresources I had a space after XTerm*font:   10x20.\nRemoving this and xrdb fixed my problem.\n\nAlso, same symptom, was that some of my users did not have the\nproper capitals for XTerm*font.\n\nThanks again\n\nBob\n\n","176":"From: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)\nSubject: Re: SUMMARY: Borland\/Microsoft Database C Libraries\nReply-To: ramirez@IASTATE.EDU (Richard G Ramirez)\nOrganization: Iowa State University\nLines: 4\n\nCould you post a description of ObjectBase, your chosen\nproduct.\n\nThanks\n","177":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: tuberculosis\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Mar25.020646.852@news.columbia.edu> jhl14@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Jonathan H. Lin) writes:\n>I was wondering what steps are being taken to prevent the spread of\n>multi-drug resistant tuberculosis.  I've heard that some places are\n>thinking of incarcerating those with the disease.  Doesn't this violate\n>the civil rights of these individuals?  Are there any legal precedents\n>for such action?\n>\n\nWho knows in this legal climate, but there is tremendous legal precendent\nfor forcibly quarantining TB patients in sanitariums.  100 yrs ago\nit was done all the time.  It has been done sporadically all along\nin patients who won't take their medicine.  If you have TB you\nmay find yourself under surveilence of the Public Health Department\nand you may find they have the legal power to insist you make your\nclinic visits.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","178":"From: iisakkil@lk-hp-22.hut.fi (Mika Iisakkila)\nSubject: Re: DX3\/99\nIn-Reply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us's message of 5 Apr 93 23:53:00 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-22.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 16\n\nrobert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia)  writes:\n>I heard the rumor as well, but the story differed.  Intel was not coming \n>out with the tripling clock 486, a clone from IBM was.\n\nNo rumour, IBM's clock tripling chip was seen in some trade show last\nfall (COMDEX or something, I wasn't there). All you people who are\ndrooling after this chip do realize that it has no FPU, just like\n486SX, that Evil Marketing Ploy(tm) from Intel, don't you? It has 16K\nof internal cache, which probably is where the saved silicon real\nestate went. Because of some contract, IBM is not allowed to sell its\n486 chips to third parties, so these chips are unlikely to become\navailable in any non-IBM machines. Of course, nothing prevents other\ncompanies from implementing a DX3\/99, but nobody hasn't even come out\nwith a real 486DX (FPU and all) clone yet (although AMD soon will).\n--\nSegmented Memory Helps Structure Software\n","179":"From: steph@pegasus.cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)\nSubject: Re: Giants' GM Quinn *is* a genius!\nArticle-I.D.: pegasus.steph.734129736\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 17\n\nIn <18979@autodesk.COM> trs@Autodesk.COM (Tom Schroeder) writes:\n\n>nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:\n\n>> During the same time span, the Braves developed John Smoltz, Tom Glavine,\n>> Steve Avery, David Justice, Ron Gant, and Jeff Blauser, among others.\n>> \n>  Avery, I believe, came from the Phillies.  Jeff Blauser?!?\n\nAvery was the #2 overall pick by the Braves, behind Mark Lewis (I think) in\n1988.  John Smoltz came over to the Braves from the Tigers, but was developed\nby the Braves.  Jeff Blauser isn't a bad player.\n-- \nDale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Baseball fanatic\n\n  \"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not \n   overburdened with information\" -- J. Golden Kimball\n","180":"From: Mark W. Dubin\nSubject: Re: ringing ears\nOriginator: dubin@spot.Colorado.EDU\nKeywords: ringing ears, sleep, depression\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nReply-To: dubin@spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: Univ. of Colorado-Boulder\nLines: 31\n\njfare@53iss6.Waterloo.NCR.COM (Jim Fare) writes:\n\n>A friend of mine has a trouble with her ears ringing. [etc.]\n\n\nA.  Folks, do we have an FAQ on tinnitus yet?\n\nB.  As a lo-o-o-ong time sufferer of tinnitus and as a neuroscientist\nwho has looked over the literature carefully I believe the following\nare reasonable conclusions:\n\n1. Millions of people suffer from chronic tinnitus.\n2. The cause it not understood.\n3. There is no accepted treatment that cures it.\n4. Some experimental treatments may have helped some people a bit, but\nthere have be no reports--even anecdotal--of massive good results with\nany of these experimental drugs.\n5. Some people with chronic loud tinnitus use noise blocking to get to sleep.\n6. Sudden onset loud tinnitus can be caused by injuries and sometimes\nabates or goes away after a few months.\n7. Aspirin is well known to exacerbate tinnitus in some people.\n8. There is a national association of tinnitus sufferers in the US.\n9. One usually gets used to it.  Especially when concentrating on\nsomething else the tinnitus becomes unnoticed.\n10.  Stress and lack of sleep make tinnitus more annoying, sometimes.\n11.  I'm sure those of us who have it wish there was a cure, but there\nis not.\n\nMark dubin\nthe ol' professor\n\n","181":"From: patter@dasher.cc.bellcore.com (patterson,george r)\nSubject: Re: Power, signal surges in home...\nOrganization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.232804.24632@mprgate.mpr.ca> vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes:\n>kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:\n>\n>>My car, unfortunately, has so much computer junk under the hood that it's\n>>astonishingly sensitive to RFI.  \n>\n>Hmmmmm... this has possibilities:\n>If the police are in pursuit of a vehicle, maybe they can bombard it with\n>high energy RFI.  :-)\n\nRight. So all the cops will be buying antique muscle cars for chase cars;\notherwise the *police* cars will die too!\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n                    | To get the attention of a large animal, be it an\n                    | elephant or a bureaucracy, it helps to know what\nGeorge Patterson -  | part of it feels pain. Be very sure, though, that\n                    | you want its full attention.\n                    |                            Kelvin Throop\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n","182":"From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson)\nSubject: Re: food-related seizures?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA\nLines: 52\n\t<1993Apr17.184305.18758@spdcc.com>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov\nIn-reply-to: dyer@spdcc.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:43:05 GMT\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.184305.18758@spdcc.com> dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:\n\n   Newsgroups: sci.med\n   Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!think.com!hsdndev!spdcc!dyer\n   From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)\n   Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA\n   References: <20996.3049.uupcb@factory.com> <79727@cup.portal.com>\n   Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1993 18:43:05 GMT\n   Lines: 18\n\n   In article <79727@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:\n   >I remember hearing a few years back about a new therapy for hyperactivity\n   >which involved aggressively eliminating artificial coloring and flavoring\n   >from the diet.  The theory -- which was backed up by interesting anecdotal\n   >results -- is that certain people are just way more sensitive to these\n   >chemicals than other people.  I don't remember any connection being made\n   >with seizures, but it certainly couldn't hurt to try an all-natural diet.\n\n   Yeah, the \"Feingold Diet\" is a load of crap.  Children diagnosed with ADD\n   who are placed on this diet show no improvement in their intellectual and\n   social skills, which in fact continue to decline.  Of course, the parents\n   who are enthusiastic about this approach lap it up at the expense of their\n   children's development.  So much for the value of \"interesting anecdotal\n   results\".  People will believe anything if they want to.\n\n   -- \n   Steve Dyer\n   dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer\n\n\nThanks for all the interest in this problem of mine. I don't think it\nis a reaction to sugar or junk food per se since Kathryn has never shown\nany signs of hyperactivity or changes in behavior in response to food.\nShe has always been very calm and dare I say, a neat, smart kid.\n\nThe fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made\nby Kellog's makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to\nsomething in the coating or the cereals.  Of the four of us in our\nimmediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running\nnose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history\nincluding some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms. \n\nAnyway, our next trip is to an endocrinologist to check out the body\nchemistry.  But so far, no more sugar coated cereals and no more seizures\neither.  Every day that goes by without one makes me heave a sigh of\nrelief.  Thanks again.\n\n--\nSharon Paulson                      s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov\nNASA Langley Research Center\nBldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156           Work: (804) 864-2241\nHampton, Virginia.  23681           Home: (804) 596-2362\n","183":"From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: University of East Anglia\nLines: 78\n\negreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:\n\n>In article 735207403@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:\n>>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:\n>>\n\n>1.  All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand\n>the technique of countersteering.\n\nIncluding all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way\nthrough a corner??\n\n>The underlying physics are a\n>different matter, and need not be taught to beginners. \n\nAgreed!\n\n>Countersteering\n>(the technique), should be taught, for only with understanding of the\n>technique can one develop maximally effective emergency avoidance\n>manuvers.\n\nThis is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to\ndisagree?? I still think  that telling newbies to steer left to turn\nto the right is unnecessarily confusing, when they'll do it anyway if they\njust get on the bike and ride the damn thing.\n\n\n>2. *I* know exactly what's happening.  It's those *other* gits that\n>haven't a clue!  :^)\n\n\nMe too!!\n\n:-)\n\n\n>>Understanding the physics of traction is fine - but I cannot see how\n>>detailed theory like that has any place in a motorcyle training course.\n>>All you need to know is that maximum traction is obtained with the tyre\n>>*just* beginning to slide against the road.\n\n>Then we are in violent disagreement.  While what you state is true, it\n>is insufficient to form a traction management policy.  Available\n>traction increases with applied normal force, ie, traction available to\n>the front wheel increases as weight shifts under braking forces, and\n>correspondingly decreases at the rear.  Thus, a *technique* of applying\n>both brakes, and easing off the rear and increasing pressure on the\n>front, can best be learned with an understanding of weight shift and\n>available traction.\n\nJeez, Ed, when you started talking about traction management policies I\nthought you were making some weird reference to looking after railway\nlocomotives...\n\nThe official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the\nfront brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being\nthat you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. In\npractice I suspect most people do what you describe.\n\n>Saying, \"brake until the tire just begins to slide\" is next to useless\n>advice to a newbie.  He has to go out and slide the tire to find out\n>where that is!  It also gives him zero information from which to\n>develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and\n>corresponding weight shift develop.\n\nIf you don't slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you've\nachieved maximum braking or not. I'm not suggesting that you should always\naim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the\nlimits of the machine, you have to go beyond them. \n\nIn any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep\nboth wheels just on the point of sliding, then you'll be doing\nexactly as *you* suggest!!\n\n\n\n\n","184":"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo)\nSubject: Quadra 700 Memory Install FAQ\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 69\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\nSummary: Instructions for Quadra 700 memory installation\nKeywords: memory,quadra,700,install\n\nThis is turning into a FAQ\n\n\nHere is how to violate your Quadra 700 warranty and install your own\nmemory.\n\n1)  Insert usual disclaimer here\n \n2)  Remove the top lid of the machine. You will see the floppy disk and\n    hard drive mounted in a plastic tower. Follow the usual anti-static\n    precautions and of course make sure the machine is OFF when you do\n    this. Unplug the wall and monitor power supply cords from the back\n\tof the mac.\n \n3)  Remove the power supply by pulling the plastic interlocking tab on the\n    tower forward and simultaneously pulling the power supply straight up.\n    The tab is a piece of plastic from the left posterior aspect of the\n    tower which extends downward to hook on to the power supply. You may\n    also feel a horseshoe shaped piece at the right portion of the power\n    supply. Leave that alone. The plastic tab from the tower is all you\n    need release.\n \n4)  Look at the rear of the tower assembly. You will see the flat ribbon\n    SCSI connector to the hard drive, a power cable and a flat ribbon cable\n    leading to the floppy drive. Disconnect all these from the motherboard.\n    The hard drive power cable connector has a tab which must be squeezed\n    to release it.\n                                            \n5)  Unplug the drive activity LED from its clear plastic mount\n\n6)  Look down the posterior, cylindrical section of the plastic tower. A\n    phillips head screw is at the base. Remove it, taking care not to drop\n    it into the case. A bit of gummy glue on your screwdriver is helpful\n    here.\n\n7)  Remove the tower assembly by pulling medially the plastic tab on the\n    right side of the tower. This tab prevents the tower from sliding\n\tposteriorly. Slide the entire tower assembly 1 cm posteriorly then\n\tlift the tower assembly straight up and out of the case.\n\n8)  Congratulations, you have now gained access to your machine's SIMM\n    slots.\n\n9)  The six big slots are for VRAM. One usually must install all six to\n    gain useful video modes. All SIMMS (RAM or VRAM)  installed with their\n\tchips facing the front of the motherboard.\n\t\n    The four smaller sockets in front are for RAM SIMMS. Install SIMMS in\n\tsets of four into these sockets. Be sure you seat the SIMMS squarely\n\tand firmly into a fully upright position.\n\t\n10) Reinstall the tower assembly by first placing the right wall of the\n    tower against the right wall of the case with the tower assembly about\n\t1 cm posterior of its intended position. Lower the tower assembly into\n\tplace while maintaining contact with the right wall of the case.\n    Once fully down, slide the tower assembly anteriorly until it clicks\n    into place.\n\t\n11) Reconnect the motherboard ends of the cables. DONT'T FORGET THE FLOPPY\n    DRIVE CABLE.\n\n12) Replace the phillips head screw\n\n13) Drop the power supply straight down into place until it clicks in.\n\n14) Plug the hard drive activity light back into its clear plastic mount\n\nGuy Kuo <guykuo@u.washington.edu>\n\n","185":"From: rosa@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo rossi)\nSubject: ide &scsi controller\nOrganization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University\nLines: 16\n\nhi folks\ni have 2 hd first is an seagate 130mb\nthe second a cdc 340mb (with a future domain no ram)\ni'd like to change my 2 controller ide & scsi and buy\na new one with ram (at least 1mb) that could controll \nall of them\nany companies?\nhow many $?\nand is it possible via hw or via sw select how divide\nthe ram cache for 2 hd? (for example using dos that is \nabout all on one hd i'd like to reserve ram cache just to it)\n\nthanks to all\nwrite at   rosa@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it\n\n\n","186":"From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)\nSubject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at...\nArticle-I.D.: advtech.1993Apr15.203546.14540\nOrganization: U S WEST Advanced Technologies\nLines: 25\nNntp-Posting-Host: jaynes.advtech.uswest.com\n\n> = (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n>> = (Robert C Hite) writes:\n\n>>DEAD WRONG!  Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the\n>>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in\n>>baseball at 8-1\n\n>Look, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else.  I didn't flame\n>you, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy.\n\nWhat _is_ your problem?  Hite's post wasn't a flame.  It was a\ncorrection of *your* error.\n\nYOUR reply was a flame.  \n\n>No, I don't know everything in the world.  Does that surprise you?\n\nNot in the least.  \n\n\n-- \n+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+\n| Steve Novak |    |\"Ban the Bomb!\"  \"Ban the POPE!!\"| \n+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+\nsteven@advtech.USWest.Com\n","187":"From: johnsh@rpi.edu (Hugh Johnson)\nSubject: Re: QuickTime movie available\nArticle-I.D.: mustang.johnsh-060493161931\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: mustang.stu.rpi.edu\n\nIn article <johnsh-040493161915@mustang.stu.rpi.edu>, I wrote:\n> \n> I've used the recently-released Macintosh application MPEG to QuickTime to\n> convert the excellent MPEG \"canyon.mpg\" into a QuickTime movie.  While\n> anyone who would want this movie is perfectly able to convert it\n> themselves, I thought I'd let the net know that I'd be glad to mail copies\n> of mine out.  The movie conversion took close to SIX HOURS on my poor\n> little IIcx; in other words, unless you've got a Quadra, you might not want\n> to tie up your machine in converting this file.\n> \n> The movie is a fast fly-through of a fractal-generated canyon landscape. \n> The movie is 58 seconds long, and uses the compact video compressor (i.e.,\n> QuickTime v1.5).  The movie looks okay on 8-bit displays, and looks\n> absolutely awesome on 16- and 24-bit displays.\n> \n> I'd be happy to mail this movie to the first 20 or so people who ask for\n> it.  The only caveat is you need to be able to receive a nine-megabyte mail\n> message (the movie was stuff-it'ed down to seven megs, but binhex ruined\n> that party).  If more then 20 people want this movie, then it's just more\n> evidence that the net needs a dedicated QuickTime FTP archive site.  C'mon,\n> someone's gotta have a spare 1.2GB drive out there...\n\nOkay, I've received a whole lot of requests for the movie, so for\nsimplicity's sake I can't mail out any more than I've already received (as\nof 16:30 EDT, Tuesday).  Maybe it'll pop up on a site sooner or later.\n\n==============================================================================\nHugh Johnson (johnsh@rpi.edu)    | \nRensselaer Polytechnic Institute |            Welcome to Macintosh.\nTroy, New York, USA              |\n==============================================================================\n","188":"From: garyg@warren.mentorg.com (Gary Gendel)\nSubject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone lin\nOrganization: Mentor Graphics Corp. -- IC Group\nLines: 32\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: garyg@warren.mentorg.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: garyg.warren.mentorg.com\n\nIn article 1qub4mINN7r3@rave.larc.nasa.gov, kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey) writes:\n>In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:\n>>\n>>Greetings!\n>>      \n>>        Situation:  I have a phone jack mounted on a wall.  I don't\n>>                    know the number of the line.  And I don't want\n>>                    to call up the operator to place a trace on it.\n>>\n>>        Question:   Is there a certain device out there that I can\n>>                    use to find out the number to the line?\n>\n>\n>Call a friend long distance, collect.  Ask to speak with yourself.  When\n>the operator asks for you, you won't be there, so ask the operator to leave\n>your number.  She'll read it out in the clear.\n>--scott\n\nEven easier, my area supports 311.  Dial this and a recording recites your number.\nPhone techs use it to verify an installed line.\n---\n\t\t\tGary Gendel\nVice President:\t\t\t\tCurrent consulting assignment:\nGenashor Corp\t\t\t\tMentor Graphics Corporation\n9 Piney Woods Drive\t\t\t15 Independence Boulevard\nBelle Mead, NJ 08502\t\t\tWarren, NJ 07059\n\nphone:\t(908) 281-0164\t\t\tphone:\t(908) 604-0883\nfax:\t(908) 281-9607\t\t\temail:\tgaryg@warren.mentorg.com\n\n\n\n","189":"From: kssimon@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (kenneth steven simon)\nSubject: Re: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210\nSummary: very hard to get a modem \nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 34\n\n  jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel) writes:\n\n  jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:\n\n  >Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if\n  >they want to go at least 9600 baud)?\n\n  >Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason\n  >I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from\n  >wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get\n  >a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud.\n\nIf Apple didn't put out such a good product -- I'd gladly take my\nbusiness to -- to -- the 8-bit Ataris.  I think the\nsituation with the Express modem is inexusable for any business.\nI've had mine on order since January.  Apple finally called me last\nweek -- to tell me that I should have it \"by the second week of May.\"\nIn the meantime, I've been stuck with my Duo210 without the\nconnectability I needed it for.  I'm sure there are plenty of people\nwho can bite back at me, citing all sorts of reasons why Apple is\nright or at least justified, but I'm just a crabby consumer and\nwhen I order a \"Duo210 with modem\" that's the product I expect.\n\nOh, well.  It's not like it's limited to the computer biz.  Remember\nwhen the Miata came out?  What about those Cabbage Patch Dolls?  Well,\nI want my toy!  ;)\n\n\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\nKenneth Simon               Dept of Sociology, Indiana University\nInternet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU              Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n","190":"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\nSubject: Re: How do I quickly switch between Windows screen resolutions?\nNntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com\nReply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com\nOrganization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA\nDistribution: na\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those\n              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5qLr8.DJL@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> slg@slgsun.att.com (The  \nIdealistic Cynic) writes:\n>  \n> Can someone out there tell me how to switch Window's screen resolution\n> quickly and easily?  I know that I can go back into install to do it,\n> but what I'd really like is to have is the ability to just change a\n> couple of startup or configuration files and have the resolution\n> changed.  I already have both video drivers that I need on my system,\n> so that isn't a problem.\n>  \n> Thanks,\n>  \n> Sean.\n>  \n> ---\n> Sean L. Gilley\n> sean.l.gilley@att.com  <-- USE THIS ADDRESS, ALL OTHERS BOUNCE!\n> 614 236 5031 (h), 614 860 5743 (w)\n>  \nThere is a shareware program called v-switch.zip. I don't remember if it  \nis on wuarchive.wustl.edu or on ftp.cica.indiana.edu.  \n\nIt is easy to use and does the job with no problem.\n\n-Eric\n\nebosco@us.oracle.com\n","191":"Reply-To: donoghue@donoghue.win.net (Kevin Donoghue)\nFrom: donoghue@donoghue.win.net (Kevin Donoghue)\nSubject: Off Line Mail\nLines: 13\n\nI am looking for a program called VBREADER. It is an off line mail\nreader for Windows using QWK mail packets. Or if anyone knows of\nany good QWK mail readers please let me know.\n \n                                        Thanks\n                                         \n                                             Kevin \n\n_______________________________________________________________________\nKevin C. Donoghue                Internet: donoghue@donoghue.win.net\nDonoghue International           \"Few love to hear the sins they love to act\"\n2437 Grand Ave. Suite 273                -- William Shakespear  \nVentura CA 93003                  \n","192":"From: butzerd@maumee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Dane C. Butzer)\nSubject: How large are commercial keys?\nOrganization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering\nLines: 13\n\nWhat are the typical sizes for keys for commercial secret key algorithms?\nI know DES is 56 bits (\"tripple DES\" is 112 bits) and IDEA is 128 bits.  Is\nthere anything made in the US that has 128 bit keys?  Anything anywhere\nthat has larger keys?  I've heard that RC2 can be scaled to arbitrarily\nlarge keys, but is this actually implemented anywhere?\n\nFinally, can anyone even concieve of a time\/place where 128 bit keys aren't\nsufficient?  (I certainly can't - even at a trillion keys a second, it\nwould take about 10 billion years to search just one billionth of that keys\nspace.)\n\nThanks,\nDane\n","193":"From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu\n\nBetty Harvey writes,\n\n> I am not a researcher or a medical person but it amazes me that \n> when they can't find a scientific or a known fact they automatically \n> assume that the reaction is psychological.  It is mind boggling.\n\nThis, simply stated, is a result of the bankrupt ethics in\nthe healthcare and scientific medicine industries.\n\nAmerica is fed up with the massive waste and fraud that is costing\nus 15% of our GNP to support these industries, while delivering \nmarginal health care to the community.\n\nUnfortunately, the \"Clinton Plan\", in whatever form it\ntakes, will probably cost us an even greater sum.  Bleah.\n\nSteve\n","194":"From: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu (Lowell B. Reiter)\nSubject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!)\nLines: 23\nOrganization: Tufts University - Medford, MA\n\nMysstem crashes aftwer sleepp.  I use 1.0.1 enabler. I use appletalk and \nfilesharing. I have and ExpressModem.\n\n--Lowell\n--\n***********************************************************************\n* Lowell Reiter\t\t\t  \"I need a Vacation... Now!!! \"      *\n* Tufts University                                                    *\n* Internet Account: lreiter@jade.tufts.edu                            *\n***********************************************************************\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","195":"Subject: XV under MS-DOS ?!?\nFrom: NO E-MAIL ADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch\nOrganization: EICN, Switzerland\nLines: 24\n\nHi ... Recently I found XV for MS-DOS in a subdirectory of GNU-CC (GNUISH). I \nuse frequently XV on a Sun Spark Station 1 and I never had problems, but when I\nstart it on my computer with -h option, it display the help menu and when I\nstart it with a GIF-File my Hard disk turns 2 or 3 seconds and the prompt come\nback.\n\nMy computer is a little 386\/25 with copro, 4 Mega rams, Tseng 4000 (1M) running\nMS-DOS 5.0 with HIMEM.SYS and no EMM386.SYS. I had the GO32.EXE too... but no\ndriver who run with it.\n\nDo somenone know the solution to run XV ??? any help would be apprecied..\n\t\t\n\tThanx in advance !!!! \n             \n-- \n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n*\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t    *\n*  Pascal PERRET     \t\t|\tperret@eicn.etna.ch         *\n*  Ecole d'ing\u00e9nieur ETS\t|\t(Not Available at this time)*\n*  2400 Le LOCLE\t\t|\t\t\t\t    *\n*  Suisse \t\t\t\t\t\t\t    *\n*\t\t     !!!! Enjoy COMPUTER !!!!\t\t\t    *\n*\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t    *\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n","196":"From: wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio\/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus)\nSubject: Re: Suggestions  on Audio relays ???\nOrganization: Malaspina College\nLines: 63\n\nIn article <C5r60r.4ID@megatest.com>, alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes:\n> In article <C5qsBF.IEK@ms.uky.edu> billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes:\n>>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch\n>>audio.  I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched.  I was doing\n>>most of the common things one is supposed to do when using relays and\n>>nothing seemed to get rid of the clicks.\n>>\n>>\n>>My question is:\n>>\n>>\tIs there a good relay\/relay circuit that I can use for switching\n>>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines.\n>>\n>>\n>>I will appreciate any advice or references to advice.  Also, exact part\n>>numbers\/company names etc. for the relays will help!\n> \n> Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp\n> out level signals?  Also, are the clicks you mentioning the big\n> clack that happens when it switches or are you refering to contact\n> bounce?  How are you driving the relays?  TTL gate output?  Switching\n> transistor?  How are the relays connected to what you are driving?\n> \n> Need more specifics to answer your question!! :-)\n\nAs a general rule, no relay will cleanly switch audio if you try to tranfer\nthe circuit with the contacts.  The noise you hear is due to the momentary\nopening and closing of the path.\n\nThe noiseless way of transfering audio is to ground the circuit.  In high\nimpedance audio circuits a resistive \"T\" is constructed close to characteristic\nimpedance of the circuit.  Grounding the imputs (connected to the T) transfers\nthe audio.\n\nIn low impedance circuits transformers are usually used, and the inputs are\nshorted out or grounded.  Secondaries are paralleled at the characteristic\nimpedance.\n\nSometimes if it is necessary to actually switch audio, a second contact is used\nto momentarily short the circuit output for the duration of the switching time.\n\nTelephone relays are handy, because contacts can be adjusted to \"Make before\nbreak and Vica Versa\" but I haven't seen any of these for years.\n\nNowadys switching is done electronically with OP amps, etc.\n\nA novel circuit I used to build was a primitive \"optical isolator\".. It consists\nof a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube.  When the lamp is\noff the cell is high resistance.  Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers\npassing the audio.  Once again this device in a \"T\" switches the audio.  Varying\nthe lamp resistance give a remote volume control.  Use 2 variable resisters and\nyou have a mixer!\n\nLots of luck!\n-- \n73, Tom\n================================================================================\nTom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician.  Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia\n(604)753-3245, Loc 2230  Fax:755-8742  Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle\nSnail mail to:  Site Q4, C2.   RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9  \n\nI do not recyle.....   I keep everything!       (All standard disclaimers apply)\n================================================================================\n","197":"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash)\nSubject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals\nNntp-Posting-Host: crchh410\nOrganization: BNR, Inc.\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:\n|> There has been some discussion on the pros and cons about sex outside of\n|> marriage.\n  ...\n|> \n|> Where is the evidence for my opinions?  At the moment, there are just\n|> generalities I can cite.  For example, I read that in the 20th century,\n|> the percentage of youth (and people in general) who suffer from\n|> depression has been steadily climbing in Western societies (probably\n|> what I was reading referred particularly to the USA).  Similarly, one\n|> can detect a trend towards greater occurrence of sex outside of marriage\n|> in this century in Western societies -- particularly with the \"sexual\n|> revolution\" of the 60's, but even before that I think (otherwise the\n|> \"sexual revolution\" of the 60's would not have been possible),\n|> particularly with the gradual weakening of Christianity and consequently\n|> Christian moral teachings against sex outside of marriage.  I propose\n|> that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society\n|> (and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are\n|> linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former.  I cannot\n|> provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis\n|> seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it.\n|> \n|>  Fred Rice <-- a Muslim, giving his point of view.\n|>  darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au   \n\nI think this is a big leap sex->depression.  One example is myself,\nwhere no sex->depression :)  But, seriously 1) promiscuity is on a decline,\ndepression is not and 2) it might be more reasonable to say \ndepression->promiscuity.  I think depression is more likely to come\nfrom emotional problems (relationships, family, job, friends) and\npromiscuity is used as an escape.\nSince I see marriage as a civil and religious bond rather than an\nemotional bond, I don't see a problem with sex before (not outside of)\nmarriage so long as you have the same commitment and devotion as\nwhat is expected from a married couple.  Of course, this is just \nmy opinion.\n\nBrian \/-|-\\\n","198":"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: Rewording the Second Amendment (ideas)\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 40\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.083057.16899@ousrvr.oulu.fi>, dfo@vttoulu.tko.vtt.fi (Foxvog Douglas) writes:\n> In article <1qv87v$4j3@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n> >In article <C5n3GI.F8F@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes:\n\n> >> The massive destructive power of many modern weapons, makes the\n> >> cost of an accidental or crimial usage of these weapons to great.\n> >> The weapons of mass destruction need to be in the control of\n> >> the government only.  Individual access would result in the\n> >> needless deaths of millions.  This makes the right of the people\n> >> to keep and bear many modern weapons non-existant.\n\n> >Thanks for stating where you're coming from.  Needless to say, I\n> >disagree on every count.\n\n> You believe that individuals should have the right to own weapons of\n> mass destruction?  I find it hard to believe that you would support a \n> neighbor's right to keep nuclear weapons, biological weapons, and nerve\n> gas on his\/her property.  \n\n> If we cannot even agree on keeping weapons of mass destruction out of\n> the hands of individuals, can there be any hope for us?\n\nI don't sign any blank checks.\n\nWhen Doug Foxvog says \"weapons of mass destruction,\" he means CBW and\nnukes.  When Sarah Brady says \"weapons of mass destruction\" she means\nStreet Sweeper shotguns and semi-automatic SKS rifles.  When John\nLawrence Rutledge says \"weapons of mass destruction,\" and then immediately\nfollows it with:\n\n> The US has thousands of people killed each year by handguns,\n> this number can easily be reduced by putting reasonable restrictions\n> on them.\n\n...what does Rutledge mean by the term?\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n","199":"From: hughes@jupiter.ral.rpi.edu (Declan Hughes)\nSubject: Manual for Eprom Blower (Logical Devices Prompro-8) Wanted\nNntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.ral.rpi.edu\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 7\n\n\n  I have an eprom blower made by Logical Devices and the\n model name is Prompro-8, but I have lost the manual. Does anyone\n have a spare manual that they would like to sell ?\n\n   Declan Hughes\n   hughes@ral.rpi.edu\n","200":"Subject: Re: \"Proper gun control?\" What is proper gun cont\nFrom: kim39@scws8.harvard.edu (John Kim)\nOrganization: Harvard University Science Center\nNntp-Posting-Host: scws8.harvard.edu\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <C5JGz5.34J@SSD.intel.com> hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) writes:\n>I'd like to point out that I was in error - \"Terminator\" began posting only \n>six months before he purchased his first firearm, according to private email\n>from him.\n>I can't produce an archived posting of his earlier than January 1992,\n>and he purchased his first firearm in March 1992.\n>I guess it only seemed like years.\n>Kirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation.\n\nI first read and consulted rec.guns in the summer of 1991.  I\njust purchased my first firearm in early March of this year.\n\n NOt for lack of desire for a firearm, you understand.  I could \nhave purchased a rifle or shotgun but didn't want one.\n-Case Kim\n\n\n","201":"From: mwbg9715@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Wayne Blunier)\nSubject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 12\n\nzowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig \"Powderkeg\" DeForest) writes:\n\n>If you're planning on making long drives, the 20W50 is probably fine\n>(esp. in the summer) in your 10W40 car.  But if you're making short drives,\n>stick to the 10W40.\n\nSeveral years ago GM was having trouble with the rings sticking on the\n5.7 diesel.  They traced a cause to the use of 10W-40 oil.  They would\nnot honor warranty work if 10W-40 was used (if my memory serves me).\n5-30, 10-30 or 20 50 was OK'd though.\n\nMark B.\n","202":"From: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU (Stewart Clamen)\nSubject: Re: Binyamin Netanyahu on CNN tonight.\nIn-Reply-To: mkaye@world.std.com's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 13:56:58 GMT\nOriginator: clamen@BYRON.SP.CS.CMU.EDU\nNntp-Posting-Host: byron.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nReply-To: clamen+@CS.CMU.EDU\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University\nLines: 15\n\n\nIn article <C5J2qz.MnE@world.std.com> mkaye@world.std.com (Martin Kaye) writes:\n\n   Great interview with Benjamin Netanyahu on CNN - Larry King Live (4\/15\/93)\n   This guy is knows what he is talking about. He is truely charismatic,\n   articulate, intelligent, and demonstrates real leadership qualities. \n\nI agree, but I wish I liked his politics.\n\n--\nStewart M. Clamen\t\t\tInternet:    clamen@cs.cmu.edu\nSchool of Computer Science\t\tUUCP: \t     uunet!\"clamen@cs.cmu.edu\"\nCarnegie Mellon University\t\tPhone: \t     +1 412 268 2145\n5000 Forbes Avenue\t\t\tFax:\t     +1 412 681 5739\nPittsburgh, PA 15213-3891, USA\n","203":"From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson)\nSubject: Re: intolerance - eternal life - etc\nReply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu\nOrganization: not Sun Microsystems\nLines: 186\n\nI apologize if this article is slightly confusing, and late. The origonal\ndraft didn't make it through the moderators quote-screens. So I did\nviolence to it, but if you remember the article I am responding\nto it should still make sence.\n\nIn article 1850@geneva.rutgers.edu, jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd) writes:\n>Hi Xian Netters,  God bless you\n\nWhat, no hello for heathan netters?\n\nI feel all left out now. :(\n\n[deletia- table of content, intro, homosexuality]\n\n>\n>INCREDIBLY CHOPPED UP POST\n\n[deletia- incorrect attributions]\n\nUh, you have your attributions wrong, you were responding\nto my article, so Dan Johnson should be the 1st one.\n\n>In article 28388@athos.rutgers.edu, jayne@mmalt.guild.org \n>(Jayne Kulikauskas) writes:\n\n[deletia- no free gifts speil nuked by moderator fiat.]\n\n>I find that I am dissatisfied with the little purposes that we can\n>manufacture for ourselves.  Little in the cosmic sense.\n\nAh, in the _cosmic_ sence.. but who lives in the cosmic sence?\nNot me! Cosmicly, we don't even exist for all practical purposes.\nI can hardly use the Cosmic Sence Of Stuff as a guide to life.\nIt would just say: \"don't bother.\"\n\nLuckily for mortals, there are many sences of scale you can talk\nabout. In a human sence, you can have big purposes.\n\n>  Even the\n>greatest of the great pharos are long gone, the pyramids historical\n>oddities being worn down by the wind, eventually to be turned into dust.\n\nBut the influence of Aristotle, Confucious, Alexander, Ceasar and\ncountless others is still with us, although their works have perished.\n\nBut they have changed to course of history, and while humanity exists,\ntheir deeds cannot be said to have come to nothing, even if they\nare utterly forgotten.\n\n>Mankind itself will one day perish.\n\nOne day, surely. (well, unless you believe in the Second Coming, which\nI do not)\n\nBut in that time we can make a difference.\n\n> Without some interconnectedness\n>that transcends the physical, without God, it is all pointless in the\n>end.\n\nIn the end. But it must be the end; until then, there is all the\npoint you can muster. And when that end comes, there will be nobody\nto ask, \"Gee, I don't think James Sledd's deeds are gonna make\nmuch of a difference, ulitmately, ya know?\".\n\nBut they will have already have made a difference, great or small,\nbefore the end.\n\nWhy must your ends be eternal to be worthwhile?\n\n>  Most people are able to live with that, and for them little\n>purposes (success, money, power, effecting change, helping others)\n>suffice.\n\nLittle is in the eye of the beholder, of course.\n\n>  I suppose they never  think about the cosmic scale, or are at\n>least able to put it out of their minds.\n\nI don't doubt it. But I have thought about the cosmic scale. And\nit does not seem to mean much to us, here, today.\n\n>To me, it is comforting to know that reality is an illusion.\n\nI would not find this comforting. But perhaps it is merely my\ndefinitions. Here's what I think the relevant terms are:\n\n\"Reality\"\tThat which is real.\n\"Illusion\"\tThat which is not real, but seems to be.\n\"Real\"\t\tObjectively Existing\n\nFor \"reality\" to be an \"illusion\" would mean, then:\n\nThat which is real is not real, but seems to be.\n\nOr:\n\nThat which objectively exists, does not objectively exist, but\ndoes seem to objectively exist.\n\nFrom which we can conclude, that unless you want to get a\ncontradiction, that no things objectively exist.\n\nBut I have a problem with this because I would like to say\nthat *I* objectively exist, if nothing else. Cogito Ergo Sum\nand all that.\n\nPerhaps you do not mean all that, but rather mean:\n\"Objective Reality is Unreachable by humans.\"\n\nWhich is not so bad, and so far as I know is true.\n\n>  That the\n>true reality underneath the the physical is spirit.\n\nHave on. If reality is an illusion, isn't True Reality an illusion\ntoo? And if True Reality is spirit, doens't that make Spirit an Illusion\nas well?\n\nIf I am not distinctly confused, this is getting positively Buddhist.\n\n>  That this world is a school of sorts, where we learn\n>and grow, and our souls mature.\n\nThat is one hell of a statement, although perhaps true.\n\nDo you mean to imply that it was *intended* to be so? If so,\nplease show that this is true. If not, please explain how this\ncan give a purpose to anything.\n\n> That gives a purpose to my little purposes,\n\nHow does it do that?\n\nWouldn't the world=school w\/ intent idea make the world a preparation for\nsome *greater* purpose, rather than a purpose in itself.\n\n> and takes some of the pressure off.\n\nWhat pressure?\n\n>  It's not so necessary to make this life a success in human terms\n>if you're really just here to learn.\n\nIt is not necessary to be a success in human terms, unless your\ngoals either include doing so or require doing so before they\nthemselves can be achived.\n\nIndeed, many people have set goals for themselves that\ndo not include success in human terms as _I_ understand it. Check\nout yer Buddhist monk type guy. Out for nirvana, which is not\nat all the same thing.\n\n>  It's more important to progress,\n>grow, persist, to learn to love yourself and others and to express your\n>love, especially when it's dificult to do so.  Honest effort is rewarded\n>by God, he knows our limitations.\n\nWhy is learning to love a goal? What happens if you fail in this\ngoal? To you? To God? To the mysterious Purpose?\n\n\n[deletia- question about immortailty and my answer deleted because it was\n mostly quote.]\n\n>TWO SERIOUS QUESTIONS\/INVITATIONS TO DISCUSSION\n>1. What is the nature of eternal life?\n>2. How can we as mortals locked into space time conceive of it?\n>\n>Possible answer for #2: The best we can do is Metaphor\/Analogy\n>Question 2A  What is the best metaphor?\n\nI'll have a crack at that.\n\n(1) The nature of eternal life is neatly described by its name: It is\nthe concept of life without death, life without end.\n\n(2) No. We can put together word to describe it, but we cannot imagine it.\n\n(2a) No metaphor is adequate next to eternity; if it were we could not\nunderstand it either. (or so I suspect)\n---\n\t\t\t- Dan Johnson\nAnd God said \"Jeeze, this is dull\"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0\n\nThese opinions probably show what I know.\n","204":"From: djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein)\nSubject: Re: Clipper chip -- technical details\nOrganization: IR\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.052005.20665@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:\n> Nothing was said about where K_P comes from.\n\nOh? Hellman said ``each user will get to choose his or her own key.''\nThat's the key which I called K_P, the session key. According to\nHellman, if Alice and Bob are communicating with the Clipper Chip,\nthen Alice chooses ``her own key'' and Bob chooses ``his own key.''\nThis is incompatible with the suggestion that when Alice and Bob are\ntalking, they use a _common_ K_P, chosen by classical or public-key\napproaches.\n\nThe protocol\/key-management description published so far is either\nincomplete or incorrect. It leaves me with no idea of how the system\nwould actually _work_. I hope the CPSR FOIA request succeeds so that\nwe get full details.\n\n---Dan\n","205":"From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory\nLines: 15\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu>, jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes...\n>Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts.  For\n>example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a \"safe\"\n>mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if\n>maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy\n>gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again.  \n\nIt can be, but the problem is a political one, not a technical one. \n     ___    _____     ___\n    \/_ \/|  \/____\/ \\  \/_ \/|     Ron Baalke         | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov\n    | | | |  __ \\ \/| | | |     Jet Propulsion Lab |\n ___| | | | |__) |\/  | | |__   M\/S 525-3684 Telos | The aweto from New Zealand\n\/___| | | |  ___\/    | |\/__ \/| Pasadena, CA 91109 | is part caterpillar and\n|_____|\/  |_|\/       |_____|\/                     | part vegetable.\n\n","206":"From: eialbur@sgies9.sdrc.com (Ron Albury)\nSubject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems....\nOrganization: SDRC\nLines: 14\n\nYou have a lot more problems keeping up with hardware interrupts in Windows than\nin DOS - regardless of what communication software you are using.\n\nTry the following:\n   1) Turn off disk write cache for the disk you are downloading to.  The\n       cache will save up so much that when it grabs control of the machine\n       it takes too long to write to disk and you loose characters.\n\n   2) Use a different UART for your serial line.  The old UART's (8250 or 16450)\n       can only buffer one character internally.  The new UART's (16550) can\n       buffer 16, which should be plenty for most situations.  You can run\n       \\windows\\msd.exe to find out what UART is on the machine.\n\nRon\n","207":"From: abbott@priory.enet.dec.com (Robert Abbott)\nSubject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe??\nNntp-Posting-Host: priory\nOrganization: TP Performance\nLines: 18\n\n\nIn article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com>, tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com (Tommy Szeto) writes...\n>Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe.  Every\n>once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water\n>under the plywood\/carpet cover on the trunk.  I would guess this usually happens\n>after a good thunder storm.  A few Qs:\n> \n>1) Is this a common problem?\n>2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch?\n> \n\nI had the same problem in my '90 MX-6. Luckily I had it fixed\nunder warranty. I think they replaced a tail light gasket.\nCheck with a dealer, it's a known problem.\n\n------------------------\nRobert K. Abbott\nabbott@tps.enet.dec.com          \n","208":"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)\nSubject: Re: Flyers [Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...]\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nKeywords: NHL, awards\nLines: 80\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.165617.3215@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, jmd@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (joseph.m.dakes) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr13.144030.28994@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>, seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr) writes:\n> \n> >So Roussel was giving up almost another goal a game while facing a proportional\n> >number of shots for the number of minutes he played, and while I have't\n> >actually checked I believe that he faced a lower quality of opponent.\n> \n> Make that less than half a goal a game.  The lower quality of opponet\n> argument is immaterial as neither Roussel nor Soderstrom had any say in\n> the matter.  That was Dineen's decision.\n\nSo in other words, if Roussel shuts out the Sharks and Soderstrom shuts out\nthe Penguins, that's immaterial because it was the coaches decision? Come on,\nJoe, think about what you're saying! Who they played is VERY significant.\nWhy they played them is what's irrelevent. A low GAA against good teams\nis better than a low GAA against bad teams in the context of comparing two\ngoaltenders. A low GAA is better then a higher GAA. A low GAA against good\nteams is much, much better than a higher GAA against bad teams in the context\nof comparing two goaltenders.\n\n> > The fact of the matter is that, despite last nights shutout, he doesn't\n> > have what it takes. Last night was due to an inept Ranger team much more\n> > than Roussel's skill. A 3 on 1 and they don't get a shot away? A 2 on none\n> > and one guy just passes and stops, the other guy shoots into Roussel's pad?\n> \n> C'mon, Pete?  So the Rangers were inept.  A shutout is a shutout.  During\n> both of Soderstrom's masterpieces against Toronto, Mike Emerich was quoted\n> as saying he didn't think the Leafs had much offensive firepower past their\n> first line.  Does that make Soderstrom's shutouts less impressive because of\n> Toronto's lack of offense?\n\nYES IT DOES! Absolutely. **In the context of comparing two goaltenders**.\nOf course, at the end of the season 2 points is 2 points no matter how you\nget them. And on the score sheets shutouts are shutouts. But if you're a\ncoach deciding between two goalies, or a GM looking to make a trade, you\nhave got to look deeper than the stat sheets. I didn't see the second Toronto\ngame, but the first one was a defensive masterpiece. There was nothing in\nthat game to judge Tommy Soderstrom on because he wasn't tested. The same\nfor Roussel in the Ranger game. Two real scoring chances, one he made a\ngreat play, the other he was saved by a mistake from the other player. If\nyou were judging Roussel on that game alone, you have very little to go by.\n\nBut if you were to look at the 0-0 tie against the Habs, you saw a goalie\nstand on his head to get that shutout. THAT was a #1 goalie in action. Roussel\ndoesn't have a game like that in him.\n\n> Well if you look back to November when Roussel was the #1 goalie (Soderstrom\n> was being treated for his heart ailment).  The Flyers finished November at\n> 6-3-1 and were 9-10-4 overall.  And there's no way of knowing where the Flyers\n> would have finished if Soderstom wasn't wearing the oragne 'n black.  I'm glad\n> we don't have to find out anytime soon either because he is one hell of a\n> player.  I would take him over Roussel right now, but I still think Dom has\n> what it takes to be the #1 guy.  He outperformed Hextall enough during the\n> '91-92 season to make Flyers management think that way too.\n\nDon't be so sure of that. FLYERS management never says bad thing about\nRoussel, but they don't say too much on the good side either. I've seen\nat least two interviews where every time Farwell was asked how happy he was\nto have two good goaltenders, it was Tommy this, Tommy that, and oh, yeah,\nDom has played well too.\n\n> By the way, what was the final card on Monday night?  Team picture by any\n> chance?\n\nFLYERS in the NHL Hall of Fame. Kinda dull, really. They handed out a\nteam picture to everybody who walked in from Pizza Hut, but it was the\nsame picture they sold in the programs in mid-season. Had names like Benning,\nKasper...\n\n> And how did the Flyers choose the fans who received \"the shirts off our\n> backs?\"  Winning Recchi's jersey after breaking the club's single season\n> point record would have been nice.  But knowing your luck you would have\n> won Roussel's:-)!\n\nMostly random seat locations, some were given out by having certain\nautographs on the team photos. I don't like that method since I've seen\nguards help out people get things like Lindros pictures, surely if they\ngot their hands on an autographed picture they'd hold 'em for their buddies.\n\npete clark\n","209":"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)\nSubject: Re: nuclear waste\nOrganization: Texas Instruments Inc\nLines: 78\n\nIn <1993Apr2.150038.2521@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr1.204657.29451@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:\n\n>>>This system would produce enough energy to drive the accelerator,\n>>>perhaps with some left over.  A very high power (100's of MW CW or\n>>>quasi CW), very sharp proton beam would be required, but this appears\n>>>achievable using a linear accelerator.  The biggest question mark\n>>>would be the lead target chemistry and the on-line processing of all\n>>>the elements being incinerated.\n>>\n>>Paul, quite frankly I'll believe that this is really going to work on\n>>the typical trash one needs to process when I see them put a couple\n>>tons in one end and get (relatively) clean material out the other end,\n>>plus be able to run it off its own residual power.  Sounds almost like\n>>perpetual motion, doesn't it?\n\n>Fred, the honest thing to do would be to admit your criticism on\n>scientific grounds was invalid, rather than pretend you were actually\n>talking about engineering feasibility.  Given you postings, I can't\n>say I am surprised, though.\n\nWell, pardon me for trying to continue the discussion rather than just\ntugging my forelock in dismay at having not considered actually trying\nto recover the energy from this process (which is at least trying to\ngo the 'right' way on the energy curve).  Now, where *did* I put those\nsackcloth and ashes?\n\n[I was not and am not 'pretending' anything; I am *so* pleased you are\nnot surprised, though.]\n\n>No, it is nothing like perpetual motion.  \n\nNote that I didn't say it was perpetual motion, or even that it\nsounded like perpetual motion; the phrase was \"sounds almost like\nperpetual motion\", which I, at least, consider a somewhat different\npropposition than the one you elect to criticize.  Perhaps I should\nbeg your pardon for being *too* precise in my use of language?\n\n>The physics is well\n>understood; the energy comes from fission of actinides in subcritical\n>assemblies.  Folks have talked about spallation reactors since the\n>1950s.  Pulsed spallation neutron sources are in use today as research\n>tools.  Accelerator design has been improving, particularly with\n>superconducting accelerating cavities, which helps feasibility.  Los\n>Alamos has expertise in high current accelerators (LAMPF), so I\n>believe they know what they are talking about.\n\nI will believe that this process comes even close to approaching\ntechnological and economic feasibility (given the mixed nature of the\ntrash that will have to be run through it as opposed to the costs of\nseparating things first and having a different 'run' for each\nactinide) when I see them dump a few tons in one end and pull\n(relatively) clean material out the other.  Once the costs,\ntechnological risks, etc., are taken into account I still class this\none with the idea of throwing waste into the sun.  Sure, it's possible\nand the physics are well understood, but is it really a reasonable\napproach? \n\nAnd I still wonder at what sort of 'burning' rate you could get with\nsomething like this, as opposed to what kind of energy you would\nreally recover as opposed to what it would cost to build and power\nwith and without the energy recovery.  Are we talking ounces, pounds,\nor tons (grams, kilograms, or metric tons, for you SI fans) of\nmaterial and are we talking days, weeks, months, or years (days,\nweeks, months or years, for you SI fans -- hmmm, still using a\nnon-decimated time scale, I see  ;-))?\n\n>The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being\n>built is that there isn't any reason to do so.  Natural uranium is\n>still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks\n>technically reasonable.\n\n-- \n\"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live\n in the real world.\"   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.\n","210":"From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nReply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 106\n\nTo what follows, our moderator has already answered the charge of \narrogance more ably that I could have done so, so I will confine\nmyself to answering the charge of illogic.\n \nIn a previous article, Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno) says:\n\n>>If I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong,\n>>then I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means.\n>\n>Unfortunatly, this seems to be how Christians are taught to think when\n>it comes to their religion. \n\nThis is how everyone in the western intellectual tradition is, or was,\ntaught to think. It is the fundamental premis \"A is not not-A\". If a thing\nis true then its converse is necessarilly false. Without this basic \nasumption theology and science as we know them are alike impossible. We\nshould distinguish the strong and weak meanings of the word \"believe\",\nhowever. The weak sense means I am not sure. \"I believe Tom went to \nthe library.\" (but he could have gone to the track). The strong sense\nmeans I am so certain that I use it as a basis of thought. \"I believe \nthat nature operates according to certain fundamental laws.\" (despite \nthe fact that nature *appears* capricious and unpredictable). Christian\nbelief is of the strong kind. (Though Christians may well hold beliefs\nof the weak kind on any number of theological and ecclesiological \ntopics.)\n \n>Some take it to the extreme and say that\n>their religion is the ONLY one and if you don't accept their teachings\n>then you won't be \"saved\". \n\nNote that these are two separate ideas. Most hold the first view, but the \nmajority do not hold the second. Is is again a matter of pure logic that\nif Christanity is true, then Hinduism (for example) must necessarilly be\nfalse, insofar as it contradicts or is incompatible with, Christaianity. \n(And, as a matter of *logic*, vice versa.)\n \n>It takes quite a bit of arrogance to claim\n>to know what God thinks\/wants. \n\nIt is arrogant to claim to know what *anyone* thinks or wants, unless \nthey have told you. Christians believe God has told us what he thinks\nand wants.\n\n>Especially when it's based upon your\n>interpretation of a book. \n\nMost Christians do not base their belief on the Bible, but on the living\ntradition of the Church established by Christ and guided constantly\nby the Holy Spirit. The Bible is simply the written core of that tradition.\n\n>The logic in the above statement is faulty\n>in that it assumes two people with differing beliefs can't both be\n>correct. \n\nIf depends what you mean by differing. If I believe Tom is six feet\ntall and you believe he weighs 200 pounds, our beliefs differ, but we \nmay both be right. If I believe Tom is six feet tall and you beleive\nthat he is four foot nine, one of us, at least, must be wrong.\n \n>It's all about perception. No two people are exactly alike.\n>No two people perceive everything in the same way. I believe that\n>there is one truth. Call it God's truth, a universal truth, or call it\n>what you will. I don't believe God presents this truth. I think it is\n>just there and it's up to you to look for and see it, through prayer,\n>meditation, inspir- ation, dreams or whatever. Just because people may\n>perceive this truth differently, it doesn't mean one is wrong and the\n>other is right. \n\nThus you believe that there is a single truth but that no human being \ncan find it. You assert that anyone who believe that we can find \nabsolute truth is mistaken. In short, you believe that anyone who\ndoes not share your belief on this point is wrong. QED.\n\n>As an example, take the question, \"Is the glass half\n>empty or half full\"? You can have two different answers which are\n>contradictory and yet both are correct. So, for your belief to be\n>true, does not require everyone else's belief to be wrong.\n\nHere I begin to suspect that your real difficulty is not with the\nknowability of truth, but simply with language. Saying that the glass \nis half empty is not a contradiction of the statement that it is half\nfull: it is the same fact expressed in different words. (The whole\npoint of this phrase is to illustrate the different ways the pessimist\nand the optimist express the *same* fact.)\n \nIt is, of course, quite true that different people may express the \nsame belief in different words. It is also true that they may fail\nto understand each other's words as expressions of the same belief\nand may argue bitterly and believe that they are miles apart. Great\nscisms have occurred in just this way, and much ecumenical work has\nbeen done simply in resolving differences in language which conceal\nagreement in belief. This does not mean, in any sense, that all beliefs\nare equally valid. Since some of the beliefs people hold contradict\nsome other beliefs that other people hold, after all obfuscations\nof language and culture in the expression of those beliefs have\nbeen stripped away, some of the beliefs that some people hold must,\n**necessarilly** be false, and it is neither arrogant nor illogical\nto say so. If I believe X and you believe Y we may both be correct, \nbut if Y is equivalent to not-X then one of us is wrong and as long\nas we hold our respective beliefs, we must each regard the other \nas in error.\n-- \n==============================================================================\nMark Baker                  | \"The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but \naa888@Freenet.carleton.ca   | to irrigate deserts.\" -- C. S. Lewis\n==============================================================================\n","211":"From: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV))\nSubject: transparent widgets--how?\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\nCc: cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp\n\nI need to write an application which does annotation notes\non existing documents.  The annotation could be done several\ntimes by different people.  The idea is something like having\nseveral acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other\nso that the user can see through all of them.  I've seen\nsomething like this being done by the oclock client.\nCould someone please tell me how to do it in Xt?\nThank you very much.\n","212":"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nOrganization: Manes and Associates, NYC\nDistribution: na\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 39\n\nSteve Kao (k@hprnd.rose.hp.com) wrote:\n: Frank Crary posted:\n: : Sure, but the difference in per-capita crime rates predates the\n: : gun control laws: The homicide rate in England was a tenth that\n: : of America, back when anyone in England could buy a gun without\n: : any paperwork at all.\n\n: Steve Manes asks:\n: > Got a citation for this?\n\n: Colin Greenwood from Scotland Yard did a study that showed that gun\n: control has had no effect on crime or murder rates in the UK.  His book,\n: _Firearms_Controls_, has been published in London by Keegan Paul (name\n: may be misspelled).\n\nOthers dispute that, like Richard Hofstadter, <America As A Gun Culture>,\nand Newton and Zimring's <Firearms and Violence in American Life>.  But,\nagain, statistics between too dissimilar cultures are difficult to\nquantify.\n\nI don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO\neffect on homicide rates.  There were over 250 >accidental< handgun\nhomicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons.  More\nAmerican children accidentally shot other children last year (15)\nthan all the handgun homicides in Great Britain.  (Source: National\nSafety Council.  Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs\nTOTAL NUMBERS, okay?  They're offered for emphasis, not comparison).\n\nIf Mr. Greenwood believes that Brits are much too sober and\ncoordinated to make such mistakes I'd like to introduce him to my\nfriend, Amanda from Brighton.  I used to have some pretty nice\ncrystal in my place until she moved in.  I've gotten used to the\nsnide comments from guests about the clown motif on my rubber\nwine glasses.\n\n-- \nStephen Manes\t\t\t\t\t   manes@magpie.linknet.com\nManes and Associates\t\t\t\t   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o\n\n","213":"From: duck@nuustak.csir.co.za (Paul Ducklin)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nOrganization: CSIR, South AFrica\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nuustak.csir.co.za\nX-Disclaimer: None of the opions expressed herein are the official\nX-Disclaimer: opinions of the CSIR or any of its subsidiaries.\nX-Disclaimer: **  So don't freak out at _us_ about anything  **\n\n\ngtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes:\n\n>Can someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run\n>digital speech down 14.4K?  I think it is; I've heard it's not.  Lets\n>say 8 bit samples.  Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate\n>be usable?  If not, how fancy does the compression need to be?\n\nIt's all easy with a DSP. The Olivetti Quaderno, for example [*great* 1kg\nsubnotebook\/palmtop PC -- sorry for the plug, folks, but Olivetti don't\nseem to be doing a good job marketing it themselves :-)] includes sound\ndigitisation hardware; they provide vocoders for their DSP which produce\nvarous bit-rates. There's one which gives pretty acceptable voice\nquality at 13Kbit\/sec, just right for a V.32bis modem.\n\nTheir DSP can play and record at the same time, too -- so you wouldn't\nneed to play \"two-way-radio\". You can also download code to the DSP\nsubunit, though you'd need a software development kit for the DSP in \nquestion [dunno which it is...] if you wanted to produce your own \nvocoder for, say, V.32 speeds.\n\nPaul\n\n    \/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\n    \\  Paul Ducklin                         duck@nuustak.csir.co.za  \/\n    \/  CSIR Computer Virus Lab + Box 395 + Pretoria + 0001 S Africa  \\\n    \\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\n","214":"From: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy)\nSubject: 8*24 card questions\nOrganization: Howtek, Inc.\nReply-To: rick@howtek.MV.COM (Rick Roy)\nX-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2\nLines: 31\n\nI'm considering buying one of these to offload the internal video\nin my IIci and to get 24 bit color capability on my 13\" monitor. What's\nthe deal on them?\n\n1) Do they come with varying amounts of RAM? If so, what is the max\nand min? How much do I need for 640 x 480 x 24 bits?\n\n2) What bit depths are supported? One, 2, 4, 8, 16, and 24?\n\n3) Are all these cards accelerated or just some? Is it true that\nmodern accelerated video cards are (at least in general) faster? What\nbit depths are accelerated, all or just 24 bit? I've heard that some\napplications actually run *slower* with this card if they write directly\nto the screen (or something like that). Is this a frequent problem?\nHow much slower is it?\n\n4) Didn't I read (when System 7 first came out) that the card was\nincompatible? If so, how was this corrected (Finder patch, some INIT,\nor other)? Has it been kept compatible with 7.1? Are there many other\napps that it is incompatible with (games or important (i.e., non-\nMicrosloth) apps, for example)?\n\n5) If you have a strong opinion on it's value for someone in my position,\nlet me know what you think a reasonable price is to pay for it.\n\nThanks a lot for you input.\nRick\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\nRick Roy       Usenet: rick@howtek.MV.com       America Online: QED\nDisclaimer: My employer's views are orthogonal to these.\nThe early bird got worms.\n","215":"From: annick@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Annick Ansselin)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nNntp-Posting-Host: cortex.physiol.su.oz.au\nOrganization: Department of Physiology, University of Sydney, NSW, Australia\nLines: 29\n\nIn <C5nFDG.8En@sdf.lonestar.org> marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco) writes:\n\n>>\n>>And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that\n>>the \"natural\" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not\n>>cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty \"artificial\" MSG -\n>>extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant\n>>Syndrome.  I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it?\n\nMSG is mono sodium glutamate, a fairly straight forward compound. If it is\npure, the source should not be a problem. Your comment suggests that \nimpurities may be the cause.\nMy experience of MSG effects (as part of a double blind study) was that the\npure stuff caused me some rather severe effects.\n\n>I was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on\n>our foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are \n>there other sources of MSG?\n\nSoya bean, fermented cheeses, mushrooms all contain MSG. \n\n>I am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However,\n>I also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each\n>causes different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat\n>and an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant.\n\nThe symptoms I had were numbness of jaw muscles in the first instance\nfollowed by the arms then the legs, headache, lethargy and unable to keep\nawake. I think it may well affect people differently.\n","216":"From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan)\nSubject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50\nArticle-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.130550.13550\nReply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil\nOrganization: Grumman Data Systems\nLines: 9\nNntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-8755]: invader.navo.navy.mil\n\nAs an additional data point, I have run Castrol 20W50 exclusively\nin the following cars: 75 Rabbit, 78 Scirocco, 76 Rabbit, 78 Bus,\n70 Beetle, 76 Bus, 86 Jetta GLI.  I've never had an oil-related\nproblem.\n\nDisclaimer:  It gets mighty hot down here.\n\nKenneth\nfinnegan@navo.navy.mil\n","217":"Subject: Re: Mac OS on a 486!!! \nFrom: Keith Whitehead <sir@office.acme.gen.nz>\nX-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version\nLines: 45\n\n\nIn article <C508BJ.6E2@imag.fr>, you write:\n> \n> hillman (hillman@plk.af.mil) wrote:\n> : deathbird+@CMU.EDU (Donpaul C. Stephens)\n> : \n> : kind of slated wouldn't you say?)  Who is going to throw all that to \nthe \n> : side and get the Mac OS for 486???\n\nNot Quite the point to be considdered here!\nFact: If\/When Apple release system 7 (or what ever is current at the time \nof release) then you will see shortly afterwards Apple no longer producing \nHardware...Look at Next with their NextStep486 to see what happens.\nWho is going to pay Apples Prices when they can get the same thing cheaper \nelse where! (Heck we can get a Sun Workstation cheaper than a Quadra, and \ninfact we have a number of times!!!, it ALL comes down to $$$$)\n\n> : If Apple released this before windows 3.0 was released I'd be behind \nthem,\n> : they missed the boat.  So why is Apple continued development.  Will it\n> : support the P5 to its fullest capabilities?  Run faster than Windows?  \nIt\n> : must do something significantly better than Windows and OS2 to warrent\n> : being released.\n\n\nNo the continued develeopment is because there is becomming less and less \nprofit in Hardware, So the Next Step (no pun intended...well sort of), is \nto make the money in software (look at Microsoft if you think it can't \nhappen!), after all you can sell multiple pieces of software to ONE \nhardware platform.\n\nAs you also said Windows is a nightmare for programmers, so will the \ntemptation to sell system 7 to a couple of MILLION dos users be too much \nfor Apple! (50 million copies @ $100 is SERIOUS money!).\n\n--\n\n\n==========================================================================\n:  Sir@office.acme.gen.nz                                                :\n:                                                                        :\n: Be thankfull that we dont get all the government we pay for!           :\n==========================================================================\n","218":"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)\nSubject: Re: Glutamate\nNntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com\nOrganization: Bellcore\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1qrsr6$d59@access.digex.net> kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch) writes:\n>In article <lso15qINNkpr@news.bbn.com> sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes:\n>> From the N.E.J.Med.  editorial:  \"The dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate\n>> is not only an essential amino acid ...\n>\n>Glutamate is not an essential amino acid.  People can survive quite well\n>without ever eating any.\n\nThere is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your\nbody needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can\nproduce enough of it without supplement.\n\nJason Chen\n","219":"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake\nOrganization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com\n\nIn article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:\n>through private contributions on Federal land\".  Your hate-mongering\n>article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content\n>and social value.  Down the toilet it goes.....\n>\n\nAnd we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things\nconcerning Israel.\n\nNeither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to\nrecognize the statement that these \"private funds\" were all tax exmpt.  In\notherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money.  And\nfinalyy, how does \"Federal land\" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien\nmonument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money\nto a foreign entity?\n\nThat \"Federal land\" and tax money could have been used to commerate\nAmericans or better yet, to house homeless Americans.\n\n","220":"From: andreasa@dhhalden.no (ANDREAS ARFF)\nSubject: Re: Newsgroup Split\nLines: 41\nNntp-Posting-Host: pc137\nOrganization: Ostfold College\n\nIn article <NERONE.93Apr20085951@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu> nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) writes:\n>From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone)\n>Subject: Re: Newsgroup Split\n>Date: 20 Apr 93 08:59:51\n>In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:\n>\n>  CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in\n>  CH> favor of doing this.  I learn an awful lot about all aspects of\n>  CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to\n>  CH> algorithms.  I just think making 5 different groups out of this\n>  CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group.\n>  CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for\n>  CH> discussing all aspects of graphics.  Anyone else feel this way?\n>  CH> Just curious.\n>\n>I must agree.  There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups\n>already.  In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly\n>into one of these categories.\n>\n>Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga\n>groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split\n>would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured\n>environment.\n>\n>--\n>   \/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\\\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\\\n>  \/    Michael Nerone   \\\"I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\\\n> \/   Internet Address:   \\since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\\\n>\/nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\\to pardon it.\"-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\\\n\n\nMaybe I should point out that we are not talking about c.s.amiga.*.\nOnly comp.graphics.\n\nArff\n\"Also for the not religous confessor, there is a mystery of higher values,\nwho's birth mankind - to the last - builds upon. They are indisputible. And \noften disregarded. Seldom you hear them beeing prized, as seldom as you hear \na seeing man prizeing what he sees.\" Per Lagerkvist, The Fist \n(Free translation from Swedish)\n              --Andreas Arff  andreasa@dhhalden.no--\n","221":"From: wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 60\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu> dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes:\n>In article <Apr.7.01.55.50.1993.22771@athos.rutgers.edu>,\n>\n>\t\t\t\t\tPardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference\n>between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.\n>regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an\n>absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?\n>     They sound like one and the same to me.\n\n>                                       Pixie\n>\n>\n>     p.s.  If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow\n>it blindly?  \n\n\tWhy do we follow God so blindly?  Have you ever asked a\nphysically blind person why he or she follows a seeing eye dog?\nThe answer is quite simple--the dog can see, and the blind person\ncannot.\n\n\tI acknowledge, as a Christian, that I am blind.  I see,\nbut I see  illusions as well as reality.  (Watched TV lately?)\nI hear, but I hear lies as well as truth.  (Listen to your \nradio or read a newspaper.)  Remember, all that tastes well is\nnot healthy.  So, I rely one the one who can see, hear, and\ntaste everything, and knows what is real, and what is not.\nThat is God.\n\n\tOf course, you may ask, if I cannot trust my own senses,\nhow do I know whether what I see and hear about God is truth or\na lie.  That is why we need faith to be saved.  We must force\nourselves to believe that God knows the truth, and loves us\nenough to share it with us, even when it defies what we think\nwe know.  Why would He have created us if He did not love us \nenough to help us through this world?\n\n\tI also do trust my experiences to some extent.  When\nI do things that defy the seeming logic of my experience, \nbecause it is what my Father commands me to do, and I see\nthe results in the long term, I find that He has led me\nin the proper direction, even though it did not feel right\nat the time.  This is where our works as Christians are\nimportant:  As exercises of the body make the body strong,\nexcercises of faith make the faith strong.  \n\n\tAs for you, no one can \"convert\" you.  You must\nchoose to follow God of your own will, if you are ever to\nfollow Him.  All we as Christians wish to do is share with\nyou the love we have received from God.  If you reject that,\nwe have to accept your decision, although we always keep\nthe offer open to you.  If you really want to find out\nwhy we believe what we believe, I can only suggest you try\npraying for faith, reading the Bible, and asking Christians\nabout their experiences personally.  Then you may grow to\nunderstand why we believe what we do, in defiance of the\nlogic of this world.\n\n\tMay the Lord bring peace to you, \n\t\t\t\n\t\t\tMalcusco         \n","222":"From: francesca_M._Benson@fourd.com\nSubject: Serdar\nOrganization: 4th Dimension BBS\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nWhat an anal retentive you are wimp.\n\n********************************************************************\nSystem: fourd.com                                Phone: 617-494-0565\nCute quote:  Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry\n********************************************************************\n\n","223":"From: bill_paxton@fourd.com\nSubject: Ajerk\nOrganization: 4th Dimension BBS\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nYou a good case for rights to abortion.\n\n********************************************************************\nSystem: fourd.com                                Phone: 617-494-0565\nCute quote:  Being a computer means never having to say you're sorry\n********************************************************************\n\n","224":"Organization: University of Maine System\nFrom: <IO21087@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>\nSubject: Grateful Dead?\nLines: 15\n\nBeing a baseball fan and a fan of the above mentioned band I was\nwondering if anyone could clue me in on whether the Dead (or members\nof) sang the national anthem at todays Giant opener?\n\nI would imagine that it is a bit too early for anyone to know, but\nan answer would be greatly appreciated.\n\n\n             Curious,\n                   Robert\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\nROBERT MARGESSON                                   UMAINE HOCKEY\n156 PARK ST. C5                                     BLACK BEARS\nORONO, ME 04473                                   1993 NCAA CHAMPS\n(207)866-7342                                         42-1-2\n","225":"From: syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu (Steven B Syck)\nSubject: WI and IL firearms law Questions\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee\nLines: 39\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.9.13\n\n\n\nA couple of questions for you firearms law experts out there:  \n\nQuestion #1\n\nAccording to the NRA\/ILA state firearms lawbook, in Wisconsin it is\n'unlawful for any person except a peace officer to go armed* with a \n\"concealed and dangerous weapon.\"  There is no statutory provision for\nobtaining a lixense or permit to carry a concealed weapon.'\n\n*  Jury instructions indicate that 'to go armed' one must have a firearm\non one's person or within his immediate control and available for use.\n\n\n\nDoes this mean that open carry is allowed?  If so, just how 'open' does it\nhave to be?  Would an in the pants holster be considered concealing?  What\nif one had their jacket on and it partially covered the weapon?  Also,\nis there any way to be allowed to carry concealed, or is it just not allowed,\nperiod? \n\nQuestion #2\n\nAs I understand it, in Evanston, IL, they have a ordinance banning handguns.\nIs there any way to get around this provision?  What would the penalty if\nyou were found out be?  What if you used said handgun in a defensive shooting\nin your apartment there?  How would the city law apply to your impending \ntrial for the shooting?\nAlso, what is IL state law concerning short barreled weapons?  Short barreled\nshotgun is what I would be interested in if a handgun were not available, \neither that or a shortened 9mm carbine (ie Colt, Marlin).  \nOne more thing, what is the chance of getting a CCW permit in IL without being\nrich or famous or related to the mayor?\n\nPlease send replies via E-Mail, as things seem to be piling up around t.p.g\na little faster than I can handle.  Thanks again \n-------   Steve Syck        syck5280@miller.cs.uwm.edu        --------\n\n","226":"From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake\nOrganization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:\n   In article <1r3n8d$4m5@techbook.techbook.com> Dan Gannon writes:\n\n[DG] THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND DANGEROUS MISTAKE\n[DG] by Theodore J. O'Keefe\n[DG] HARD BY THE WASHINGTON MONUMENT, within clear view of the Jefferson\n[DG] Memorial, an easy stroll down the Mall to the majestic Lincoln Memorial,\n[DG] has arisen, on some of the most hallowed territory of the United States of\n[DG] America, a costly and dangerous mistake.  On ground where no monument yet\n[DG] marks countless sacrifices and unheralded achievements of Americans of all\n[DG] races and creeds in the building and defense of this nation, sits today a\n[DG] massive and costly edifice, devoted above all to a contentious and false\n[DG] version of the ordeal in Europe during World War II, of non-American\n[DG] members of a minority, sectarian group.  Now, in the deceptive guise of\n[DG] tolerance, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum begins a propaganda\n[DG] campaign, financed through the unwitting largess of the American taxpayer,\n[DG] in the interests of Israel and its adherents in America.\n\n[JAKE] After reading the first paragraph, a quick scan confirmed my first\n[JAKE] impression: this is a bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash.\n\nJake, I'm really disappointed in you. It took you a whole paragraph\nto see that it was \"bunch of revisionist and anti-semitic hogwash\". :-)\n\nThe article title \"THE U.S. HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL MUSEUM: A COSTLY AND \nDANGEROUS MISTAKE\" should have been enough! :-)\n\nTsiel\n-- \n----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------\nTsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp\t   | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me\nEmployer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible.\nopinions, if any !         | Two percent of zero is almost nothing.\n","227":"From: dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham)\nSubject: Re: Jews can't hide from keith@cco.\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1pqdor$9s2@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr3.071823.13253@bmerh85.bnr.ca>, dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) writes:\n>The poster casually trashed two thousand years of Jewish history, and \n>Ken replied that there had previously been people like him in Germany.\n\nI think the problem here is that I pretty much ignored the part\nabout the Jews sightseeing for 2000 years, thinking instead that\nthe important part of what the original poster said was the bit\nabout killing Palestinians.  In retrospect, I can see how the\nsightseeing thing would be offensive to many.  I originally saw\nit just as poetic license, but it's understandable that others\nmight see it differently.  I still think that Ken came on a bit\nstrong though.  I also think that your advice to Masud Khan:\n\n  #Before you argue with someone like Mr Arromdee, it's a good idea to\n  #do a little homework, or at least think.\n\nwas unnecessary.\n\n>That's right.   There have been.    There have also been people who\n>were formally Nazis.   But the Nazi party would have gone nowhere\n>without the active and tacit support of the ordinary man in the\n>street who behaved as though casual anti-semitism was perfectly\n>acceptable.\n>\n>Now what exactly don't you understand about what I wrote, and why\n>don't you see what it has to do with the matter at hand?\n\nThroughout all your articles in this thread there is the tacit\nassumption that the original poster was exhibiting casual\nanti-semitism.  If I agreed with that, then maybe your speech\non why this is bad might have been relevant.  But I think you're\nreading a lot into one flip sentence.  While probably not\ntrue in this case, too often the charge of anti-semitism gets\nthrown around in order to stifle legitimate criticism of the\nstate of Israel.\n\nAnyway, I'd rather be somewhere else, so I'm outta this thread.\n--\nDoug Graham         dgraham@bnr.ca         My opinions are my own.\n","228":"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 63\n\nIn article <C4tr3M.Eqw@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n>On the other hand, we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more\n>culturally similar, namely the Canadians...\n\nI don't think such a Canada is any more \"culturally similar\" to\nthe United States than England. In terms of laws regarding individual\nrights, restrictions on police searches, etc... (all closely\nrelated to crime) Canadian laws parallel England's and differ\ngreatly from those of the United States.\n  \n>...In fact, an exhaustive,\n>seven-year study has already been done of the respective crime rates\n>of Vancouver, British Columbia and Seattle, Washington... cities\n>with roughly the same population, urban economy, geography\n>and crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control.\n\nActually, they do not have \"roughly the same... urban economy\", \nand extremely different ethnic composition.\n\n>Over the seven-year study, 388 homicides occurred in Seattle\n>(11.3 per 100,000) vs. 204 homicides in Vancouver (6.9 per 100,000).\n>After adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations,\n>the relative risk of being a victim of homicide in Seattle, as\n>compared to Vancouver, was found to be 1.63.\n\nHowever, if you account for economic and ethnic differences,\nthe difference disappears completely: Seattle's minorities are\npredominatly poor, while Vancouver's are middle or upper class.\nThe rates for whites in both cities were found to be identicle,\nwhile the rate for poor, Seattle minorities was almost three\ntimes as great as for the well-to-do minorities of Vancouver.\nThe pattern seems to be one of poverty and race relations, not\none of gun control.\n\n>The authors of the report also investigated \"legally justifiable\"\n>homicides (self-defense).  Only 32 such homicides occurred during\n>the seven-year study, 11 of which were committed by police.  Only\n>21 cases of civilians acting in self-defense occurrred...\n\nThat is a gross distortion: \"Self-defense\" does not mean killing\nthe attacker. There were 21 cases of civilians killing their \nattacker in self-defence. But such cases represent less that\n0.5% of the crimes prevented by armed self-defence; for every\ncase you cite, there were over 200 other cases of self-defence\nwhere the crime was prevented but the attacker was not killed.\n(0.5%, by the way, is the most conservative possible figure,\nbased on the National Crime Survey's estimate of 80,000\ncrimes prevented by armed self-defence each year. Most other \nstudies on the subject put the figure at 500,000 to 600,000.\nThose figures would imply less than 0.08% of sucessful self-defences\ninvolve killing the attacker.) \n\nSo, more correctly, there over 4000 (possibly as many as 25,000) \ncases of civilians acting in self-defence, only 21 of which resulted\nin the death of the attacker. This is a significant factor, in\ncomparison to the 592 homicides. If memory serves, homicides\nmake up approximately 1% of the violent crimes the study\nconsidered, so the fair comparison would be 40 - 250 homicides\nprevented and 592 homicides. Clearly, the study can not be\nclose to accurate, since it ignored these cases of self-defence.\n\n                                                Frank Crary\n                                                CU Boulder\n","229":"From: wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)\nSubject: EC BHP limit vetoed\nLines: 12\n\nAccording to BBC Radio this morning, UK, Denmark, Portugal & a few\nothers have vetoed a proposal to limit EC-sold bikes to 100 BHP.  The\nreason is that such a limit is not supported by accident statistics - a\nrare example of governmental wisdom.  The limit has a five year\nmoratorium on it, and \"specialist\" manufacturers will be exempt anyway. \nAny suspicion that this is a crafty trick to restrict that end of the\nmarket in Europe to Triumph, Norton (who? :-)), BMW, Cagiva & Ducati is\nthe sort of dangerous rubbish which stalls GATT talks.\n\nYou heard it here first.\n\nBill @ Univ Edinburgh, replete with 12 hp and a healthy blue exhaust.\n","230":"From: billc@col.hp.com (Bill Claussen)\nSubject: RE:  alt.psychoactives\nOrganization: HP Colorado Springs Division\nLines: 35\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpcspe17.col.hp.com\n\nFYI...I just posted this on alt.psychoactives as a response to\nwhat the group is for......\n\n\nA note to the users of alt.psychoactives....\n\nThis group was originally a takeoff from sci.med.  The reason for\nthe formation of this group was to discuss prescription psychoactive\ndrugs....such as antidepressents(tri-cyclics, Prozac, Lithium,etc),\nantipsychotics(Melleral(sp?), etc), OCD drugs(Anafranil, etc), and\nso on and so forth.  It didn't take long for this group to degenerate\ninto a psudo alt.drugs atmosphere.  That's to bad, for most of the\nserious folks that wanted to start this group in the first place have\nleft and gone back to sci.med, where you have to cypher through\nhundreds of unrelated articles to find psychoactive data.\n\nIt was also to discuss real-life experiences and side effects of\nthe above mentioned.\n\nOh well, I had unsubscribed to this group for some time, and I decided\nto check it today to see if anything had changed....nope....same old\nnine or ten crap articles that this group was never intended for.\n\nI think it is very hard to have a meaningfull group without it\nbeing moderated...too bad.\n\nOh well, obviously, no one really cares.\n\nBill Claussen\n\n\nWould anyone be interested in starting a similar moderated group?\n\nBill Claussen\n\n","231":"From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas)\nSubject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows??\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.024128.9119@ncsu.edu> ssa@unity.ncsu.edu (S. Alavi) writes:\n>\t(normal 8514\/A font, not small).  In the 386 enhanced mode\n>\tthe DOS window font is too small for my 14\" monitor. Is there a \n>\tway to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to \n>\texcuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to\n>\tMS Windows world.\n>\tThanks.\n>\t======  S. Alavi    [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu]  (919)467-7909 (H)  ========\n\t\n\tFirst of all, without wanting to sound nagging and bossy, yes it is\na trivial answer and that's perfectly fine ( otherwise how is one supposed\nto move up to the complicated and challenging questions, we net readers so\nmuch enjoy :) ?), and the massive crossposting of your article was not\n justified...\nPlease refer to appropriate newsgroups next time (by the way c.o.msw.misc is\nOK :) ). Now as far as your problem is concerned: try playing around with\nthe settings in the 'Fonts...\" dialog box under the window control menu (that\nlittle square at the top left corner of the window..). \n\n\n-- \nCostas Malamas ____________________________________________________________\nGeorgia Institute of Technology \nOIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... \nInternet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu\n","232":"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Re: Portable Small Ground Station?dir\nArticle-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.185700.1\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\nLines: 21\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\n\nIn article <C4zGAM.2nJ@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr2.214705.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n>>How difficult would it be to set up your own ground station?\n> \n> Ground station for *what*?  At one extreme, some of the amateur-radio\n> satellites have sometimes been reachable with hand-held radios.  At the\n> other, nothing you can do in your back yard will let you listen in on\n> Galileo.  Please be more specific.\n> -- \n> All work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n>                     - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n\n\nSPECIFIC:\nBasically to be able to do the things the big dadies can do.. Monitor, and\ncontrol if need be the Shuttle...\n\nSuch as the one in Australia and such....\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\n","233":"From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)\nSubject: Re: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets?\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes:\n> The subject line says it all.  Is it terribly difficult to get tickets\n> to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs?  Would\n> it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets?\n> \n> Dean Money\n> dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n\n     Here is my traditional experience with tickets, playoffs and otherwise,\nat the Civic Arena.\n\n     Scalping is illegal but nonetheless present outside the Arena.  Best \nstrategy, given that you don't mind missing the Anthem (which is OK if B.E.\nTaylor decides to come back ever again :) ) is to wait until 7:40 or 7:45,\nwhen the game is rolling; the scalpers are at this point desperate to sell\nand will reduce to near or at face value to get rid of their tickets.\n\n     Playoffs are a little different in that good seats will go early on; \nwhat's left at 7:45 may be nosebleed material (D, E sections).\n\nOthers can add on their opinions as well.\n\nKevin L. Stamber\nPurdue University\nPENGUINS 6 DEVILS 3 -- Pens lead series 1 game to none\n\n\n","234":"From: rhc52134@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Richard)\nSubject: Re: does dos6 defragment??\nArticle-I.D.: news.C51H9M.46p\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 12\n\nGeoffrey S. Elbo writes:\n\n>Yes, and it is the fastest defrag I've ever watched.  It did a 170MB \n>hard disk in 20 minutes.\n\n\tI found the MS defrag looks very much like Norton Speedisk.\nIs it just a strip-down version of the later?\n\n\tI have both Norton Speedisk and Backup, so I was wondering \nif I need to install MS Backup?\n\nRichard\n","235":"From: servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu (Brian K Servis)\nSubject: Re: How Redirect PRINT MANAGER To FILE?\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 33\n\nu7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw (\"By SWH ) writes:\n\n>Who can tell me which program (PD or ShareWare) can redirect windows 3.1's\n>output of printer manager to file? \n\n>\tI want to capture HP Laser Jet III's print output.\n\n> \tThough PostScript can setup print to file,but HP can't.\n\n>\tI use DOS's redirect program,but they can't work in windows.\n\n>\t\tThankx for any help...\n>--\n> Internet Address: u7911093@cc.nctu.edu.tw\n\n>    English Name: Erik Wang\n>    Chinese Name: Wang Jyh-Shyang\n\n> National Chiao-Tung University,Taiwan,R.O.C.\n\nTry setting up another HPIII printer but when choosing what port to connect it\nto choose FILE instead of like :LPT1.  This will prompt you for a file name\neverytime you print with that \"HPIII on FILE\" printer. Good Luck.\n\n\nBrian Servis\n===========================================================================\n||  servis@author.ecn.purdue.edu   ||         \"It Happened This Way\"     ||\n===================================|| actual quotes from insurance claims||\n||  What I say may not be what I   ||                                    ||\n||  think. What I say may not be   ||  \"The pedestrian had no idea which ||\n||  what Purdue thinks.            ||   way to go, so I ran him over.\"   ||\n===========================================================================\n","236":"From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)\nSubject: Re: Yankees win home opener\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 14\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu\n\nIn article <93105.124117RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> writes:\n} In article <1993Apr14.175545.3528@alleg.edu>, millits@yankee.org (Sam\n} Millitello) says:\n} \n} i'm telling you, sam, three l's.  call up mom and ask.\n} \n} bob vesterman.\n} \nyeah, and in case even that isn't enough to prompt boy genius\n\"Sam\" to pick up a paper and see how \"his\" name is spelled,\nhere's another hint: the single \"L\" comes between the two \"I\"s...\n\n-*-\ncharles\n","237":"From: jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green)\nSubject: Proton\/Centaur?\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 9\n\nHas anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton\/Centaur combo?\nWhat would be the benefits and problems with such a combo (other\nthan the obvious instability in the XSSR now)?\n\n\n\/~~~(-: James T. Green :-)~~~~(-: jgreen@oboe.calpoly.edu :-)~~~\\ \n| \"I know you believe you understand what it is that you        |   \n| think I said.  But I am not sure that you realize that        |\n| what I said is not what I meant.\"                             |\n","238":"From: shapiro-david@yale.edu (David Shapiro)\nSubject: Re: TIGERS\nOrganization: What, me organized?\nLines: 8\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: minerva.cis.yale.edu\nIn-reply-to: Ryan Kearns's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 10:09:21 EDT\n\n\nWoof woof!\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Shapiro\t\t\t| \"People can call it a monkey, but I felt like\nshapiro-david@yale.edu\t\t| I had a piano on my back all winter long....\nshapiro@minerva.cis.yale.edu\t| The piano is off my back.  Maybe a trombone\n\t\t\t\t| will be next.\"  -- Stan Belinda\n","239":"From: bryan@src.sbs.utah.edu\nSubject: Okidata 2410 printer driver\nOrganization: University of Utah Computer Center\nLines: 16\n\n\nI have an Okidata 2410 printer for which I would like to have a printer driver.\nHas anyone seen such a thing?  There is not one on the Microsoft BBS.\nI can print to it from Windows but I have no fonts available and with\nParadox for Windows I can't print labels on it unless there is a proper printer\ndefined.\n\n\nThanks,\n\nBryan K. Ward\nSurvey Research Center\nUniversity of Utah\n\ni-mail: bryan@src.sbs.utah.edu\n\n","240":"From: Deon.Strydom@f7.n7104.z5.fidonet.org (Deon Strydom)\nSubject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City\nLines: 32\n\n--> Note:\nReply to a message in soc.religion.christian.\n\nEVENSON THOMAS RANDALL wrote in a message to All:\n\n> Which brings me around to asking an open question.  Is the\n> Bible a closed book of Scripture?  Is it okay for us to go\n> around saying \"God told me this\" and \"Jesus told me that\"? \n\n> Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies\n> are nothing new but rather an inspired translation of\n> scripture.  Is it right to call that prophecy?  Misleading? \n\nHi, You might want to read Charismatic Chaos by John MacArthur.  In it\nhe discussed exactly this queation, amongst others.  In my own words,\nVERY simplified, his position is basically that one must decide, what\nis the most important - experience or Scripture?  People tend to say\nScripture, without living according to that.  Their own\nfeeling\/prophecy\/etc tends to be put across without testing in the\nlight of Scripture.\n\nThere's a lot more than this, really worthwhile to read whether you're\nCharismatic or not.\n\nGroetnis (=cheers)\n Deon\n\n--- timEd\/B8\n--  \nINTERNET: Deon.Strydom@f7.n7104.z5.fidonet.org\nvia:  THE CATALYST BBS in Port Elizabeth, South Africa.\n       (catpe.alt.za)   +27-41-34-1122 HST or +27-41-34-2859, V32bis & HST.\n","241":"From: lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.)\nSubject: Re: catholic church poland\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <Apr.20.03.01.44.1993.3772@geneva.rutgers.edu>, s0612596@let.rug.nl (M.M. Zwart) writes...\n>I'm writing a paper on the role of the catholic church in Poland after 1989. \n>church concerning the abortion-law, religious education at schools,\n\n There was an article on clari.news.religion in the last few days about a\nPolish tribunal decision. It said that crucifixes and religious classes in\npublic schools were okay; and that children who did not want to take religion\nclass could not be forced to take an ethics class as a substitute.\n\n larry henling  lmh@shakes.caltech.edu\n","242":"From: aris@psssun (Aris Gerakis)\nSubject: Pixel disappear on Powerbook 140 screen\nOrganization: Michigan State University\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: psssun.pss.msu.edu\nKeywords: Powerbook, 140, pixel, screen\n\nSome pixels on my PB 140 display disappear intermittently.  They are not in\na particular place but random.  If anybody has suggestions I would appreciate\ne-mailings.  Thanks.\n\n\n--\naris@psssun.pss.msu.edu          #############              (beware of the 3 s)\n                                 |  \/\\   \/\\  |            \n                                [|   o   o   |]\n______________________nnnnn______|_____U_____|______nnnnn______________________\n","243":"From: d2cheng@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Dominic Cheng)\nSubject: Centris 610 Impression\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 15\n\nI have been playing with my Centris 610 for almost a week now.  I must say\nthis machine is really fast!  The hardware turn-on feature is annoying, but\nI got PowerKey from Sophisicated Circuits and it works like a charm.\n\nHowever, I still have a few complaints:\n- when I restart the machine every time, the screen image (the desktop\n  pattern) jerks up and down for a few times.\n- the Quantum 170 drive is noisy\n\nOverall, I highly recommend it:  it is fast, affordable and looks great!\n\n--\n\nDominic Cheng (d2cheng@descartes.uwaterloo.ca)\nComputer Science, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada\n","244":"From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)\nSubject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet\nOrganization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma\nDistribution: na\nLines: 10\n\n\n>security of the key-escrow system.  In making this decision, I do\n>not intend to prevent the private sector from developing, or the\n>government from approving, other microcircuits or algorithms that\n>are equally effective in assuring both privacy and a secure key-\n>escrow system.\n\nYeah, but does he intend to prevent the private sector from\ndeveloping other applications that are equally effective in \nassuring privacy, but do not have a key escrow system?\n","245":"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nLines: 21\n\n: From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\n\n: Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to\n: stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to\n: the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for\n: the NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As\n: it is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been\n: for them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now.\n\nIn the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device\nto the phone network.  (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets\nmust be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...)\n\nI was wondering some time ago how big a market there was for good old-\nfashion acoustic coupler technology to build a secure phone :-) ... is\nit possible to mask out all the real voice well enough so that none of\nit strays into the mouthpiece?  Perhaps a well-sealed coupler attachment\nthat was as well blocked as possible, then a white noise generator on\nthe outside to muffle any real speech?\n\nG\n","246":"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)\nSubject: Re: WH proposal from Police point of view\nReply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de\nOrganization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nLines: 30\n\nstrnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:\n\n> dwight tuinstra posts a very interesting message in which he comments on the\n> effects of the Clipper chip on state and local police. Actually, reading\n> between the lines, it could be a very good thing for civil liberties in one\n> respect, since it will at least prevent cowboy cops and cowboy state and\n> local agancies from reading your traffic if they tap it illegally.\n\nInstead of reading between the lines, try to think a little bit. OK,\nif that's way too difficult to you, here are some hints.\n\nIndeed, the new proposal imposes some additional burocratic burden on\nthe local police, if they badly want to tape the magic cookie recipie\nthat your mom is telling you on the phone. So, guess what they will\ndo? Propose that the new technology is removed? Or implement some\n\"facilitations\"? Of course, you won't want to wait until they get the\napproval from two different agencies to decrypt the conversation\nbetween two child molesters, because meanwhile those two child\nmolesters might be conspiring about molesting your child, right? So,\nthere should be some way for them to get access to those keys\n-quickly-, right? Like, they could have a copy of the database, and\nworry about a warrant later...\n\nRegards,\nVesselin\n-- \nVesselin Vladimirov Bontchev          Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nTel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226      Fachbereich Informatik - AGN\n< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C\ne-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de    D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany\n","247":"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)\nSubject: Re: Placebo effects\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 39\nNNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu\nSummary: Yes, researcher bias is a great problem.\n\n-*-----\nIn article <735157066.AA00449@calcom.socal.com> Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince) writes:\n> Is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a \n> medicine that he\/she sees improvement where the is none or sees \n> more improvement than there is?  If so, what is this effect \n> called?  Is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor \n> doesn't believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than \n> there is?  What would this effect be called?  Have these effects \n> ever been studied?  How common are these effects?  Thank you in \n> advance for all replies. \n\nThese effects are a very real concern in conducting studies of new\ntreatments.  Researchers try to limit this kind of effect by \nperforming studies that are \"blind\" in various ways.  Some of these\nare:\n\n  o  The subjects of the study do not know whether they receive a \n     placebo or the test treatment, i.e., whether they are in the\n     control group or the test group.\n\n  o  Those administering the treatment do not know which subjects \n     receive a placebo or the test treatment.\n\n  o  Those evaluating individual results do not know which subjects\n     receive a placebo or the test treatment.\n\nObviously, at the point at which the data is analyzed, one has to \ndifferentiate the test group from the control group.  But the analysis\nis quasi-public: the researcher describes it and presents the data on\nwhich it is based so that others can verify it.  \n\nIt is worth noting that in biological studies where the subjects are\nanimals, such as mice, there were many cases of skewed results because\nthose who performed the study did not \"blind\" themselves.  It is not\nconsidered so important to make mice more ignorant than they already\nare, though it is important that in all respects except the one tested,\nthe control and test groups are treated alike.\n\nRussell\n","248":"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: Gospel Dating\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 93\n\nIn article <65974@mimsy.umd.edu>\nmangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n \n>>Well, John has a quite different, not necessarily more elaborated theology.\n>>There is some evidence that he must have known Luke, and that the content\n>>of Q was known to him, but not in a 'canonized' form.\n>\n>This is a new argument to me.  Could you elaborate a little?\n>\n \nThe argument goes as follows: Q-oid quotes appear in John, but not in\nthe almost codified way they were in Matthew or Luke. However, they are\nconsidered to be similar enough to point to knowledge of Q as such, and\nnot an entirely different source.\n \n \n>>Assuming that he knew Luke would obviously put him after Luke, and would\n>>give evidence for the latter assumption.\n>\n>I don't think this follows.  If you take the most traditional attributions,\n>then Luke might have known John, but John is an elder figure in either case.\n>We're talking spans of time here which are well within the range of\n>lifetimes.\n \nWe are talking date of texts here, not the age of the authors. The usual\nexplanation for the time order of Mark, Matthew and Luke does not consider\ntheir respective ages. It says Matthew has read the text of Mark, and Luke\nthat of Matthew (and probably that of Mark).\n \nAs it is assumed that John knew the content of Luke's text. The evidence\nfor that is not overwhelming, admittedly.\n \n \n>>>(1)  Earlier manuscripts of John have been discovered.\n>\n>>Interesting, where and which? How are they dated? How old are they?\n>\n>Unfortunately, I haven't got the info at hand.  It was (I think) in the late\n>'70s or early '80s, and it was possibly as old as CE 200.\n>\n \nWhen they are from about 200, why do they shed doubt on the order on\nputting John after the rest of the three?\n \n \n>>I don't see your point, it is exactly what James Felder said.  They had no\n>>first hand knowledge of the events, and it obvious that at least two of them\n>>used older texts as the base of their account.  And even the association of\n>>Luke to Paul or Mark to Peter are not generally accepted.\n>\n>Well, a genuine letter of Peter would be close enough, wouldn't it?\n>\n \nSure, an original together with Id card of sender and receiver would be\nfine. So what's that supposed to say? Am I missing something?\n \n \n>And I don't think a \"one step removed\" source is that bad.  If Luke and Mark\n>and Matthew learned their stories directly from diciples, then I really\n>cannot believe in the sort of \"big transformation from Jesus to gospel\" that\n>some people posit.  In news reports, one generally gets no better\n>information than this.\n>\n>And if John IS a diciple, then there's nothing more to be said.\n>\n \nThat John was a disciple is not generally accepted. The style and language\ntogether with the theology are usually used as counterargument.\n \nThe argument that John was a disciple relies on the claim in the gospel\nof John itself. Is there any other evidence for it?\n \nOne step and one generation removed is bad even in our times. Compare that\nto reports of similar events in our century in almost illiterate societies.\nNot even to speak off that believers are not necessarily the best sources.\n \n \n>>It is also obvious that Mark has been edited. How old are the oldest\n>>manuscripts? To my knowledge (which can be antiquated) the oldest is\n>>quite after any of these estimates, and it is not even complete.\n>\n>The only clear \"editing\" is problem of the ending, and it's basically a\n>hopeless mess.  The oldest versions give a strong sense of incompleteness,\n>to the point where the shortest versions seem to break off in midsentence.\n>The most obvious solution is that at some point part of the text was lost.\n>The material from verse 9 on is pretty clearly later and seems to represent\n>a synopsys of the end of Luke.\n>\nIn other words, one does not know what the original of Mark did look like\nand arguments based on Mark are pretty weak.\n \nBut how is that connected to a redating of John?\n   Benedikt\n","249":"From: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jim L)\nSubject: Need Sharp 6220, T2000 parts, information\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company)\nLines: 23\n\nI'm looking for a Sharp 6220 or TI Travelmate 2000 for parts.  Mine has\na bad RAM chip on the motherboard and I want to see what I can get for\nparts before sending it off to Sharp for repairs.  If you have one,\ndrop me a line.\n\nAlso, I'm trying to set one up for a friend who needs to read his old\n5 1\/4 inch diskettes.  Anyone have the pinout of the diskette expansion\nconnector on the back of the 3.5 inch floppy box? \n\nIf you respond, please include a phone number. I can't always get through \nwith email.\n \nAs always, \n\nThanks,\n\nJim Lewczyk\n\n-- \nMailer address is buggy!  Reply to: jiml@strauss.FtCollinsCO.NCR.com\n\nJames Lewczyk                                   1-303-223-5100 x9267\nNCR-MPD Fort Collins, CO             jim.lewczyk@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM\n","250":"From: gemmellj@merrimack.edu\nSubject: e-mail to the hill ??\nOrganization: Merrimack College, No. Andover, MA, USA\nLines: 4\n\nNow, that Clinton can get e-mail, i'm wondering if Congress is also\ngoing on line.. If so, does anyone have the address to reach them??\nI'm also looking for Bill's e-mail address.\nplease e-mail me, i am not a regualar reader of this newsgrouop.\n","251":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: sudden numbness in arm\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <C5u5LG.C3G@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:\n>I experienced a sudden numbness in my left arm this morning.  Just after\n>I completed my 4th set of deep squats.  Today was my weight training\n>day and I was just beginning my routine.  All of a sudden at the end of\n>the 4th set my arm felt like it had gone to sleep.  It was cold, turned pale,\n>and lost 60% of its strength.  The weight I used for squats wasn't that\n>heavy, I was working hard but not at 100% effort.  I waited for a few \n>minutes, trying to shake the arm back to life and then continued with\n>chest exercises (flyes) with lighter dumbells than I normally use.  But\n>I dropped the left dumbell during the first set, and experienced continued\n>arm weakness into the second.  So I quit training and decided not to do my\n>usual hour on the ski machine either.  I'll take it easy for the rest of\n>the day.\n>\n>My arm is *still* somewhat numb and significantly weaker than normal --\n>my hand still tingles a bit down to the thumb. Color has returned to normal\n>and it is no longer cold. \n>\n>Horrid thoughts of chunks of plaque blocking a major artery course through\n>my brain.  I'm 34, vegetarian, and pretty fit from my daily exercise\n>regimen.  So that can't be it.  Could a pinched nerve from the bar\n>cause these symptoms (I hope)?\n\nIt likely has nothing to do with \"chunks of plaque\" but it sounds like\nyou may have a neurovascular compromise to your arm and you need medical\nattention *before* doing any more weight lifting.  \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","252":"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: Who Says the Apostles Were Tortured?\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1qiu97INNpq6@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>\ningles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles) writes:\n \n>\n> As evidence for the Resurrection, it is often claimed that the Disciples\n>were tortured to death for their beliefs and still did not renounce\n>their claim that Jesus had come back from the dead.\n> Now, I skimmed Acts and such, and I found a reference to this happening\n>to Stephen, but no others. Where does this apparently very widely held\n>belief come from? Is there any evidence outside the Bible? Is there any\n>evidence *in* the Bible? I sure haven't found any...\n>\n \nEarly authors and legends. The most important sources can be found in the\nMartyriologia of the Catholic Church. Makes the Grimms look like exact\nscience.\n   Benedikt\n","253":"From: kennejs@a.cs.okstate.edu (KENNEDY JAMES SCOT)\nSubject: Drug Use Up At Younger Age\nOrganization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater\nKeywords: youths drugs LSD inhalants\nLines: 62\n\n\nThe article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14,\n1993 issue of USA Today (\"Drug Use Up At Younger Age\" by Mike\nSnider, p. 1A).\n\n    Drug use is on the rise among kids as young as eighth graders -\n    usually 13 - and they're using more LSD and inhalants like glue\n    and air fresheners, says a new survey.\n\n    The annual National High School Senior Survey on Drug Abuse finds\n    \"statistically significant increases\" in eighth-graders' use of\n    many drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD and inhalants.\n\n    \"We may be in danger of losing some ... hard-won ground (in reducing\n    drug use) as a new, more naive generation of youngsters enters\n    adolescence,\" says Lloyd Johnston, University of Michigan, chief\n    researcher on the study sponsored by the Department of Health and\n    Human Services.\n\n    But drug use among high school seniors is continuing a decade-long\n    decline.\n\n    The study of 50,000 students shows the percentage who tried the\n    following in the 30 days before they were polled:\n\n        * 8th-graders  - alcohol 26%; cigarettes 16%; marijuana 4%;\n                         cocaine 0.7%.\n\n        * 10th-graders - alcohol 40%; cigarettes 22%; marijuana 8%;\n                         cocaine 0.7%.\n\n        * 12th-graders - alcohol 51%; cigarettes 28%; marijuana 12%;\n                         cocaine 1.3%.\n\n    Among 12th-graders, use of marijuana, cocaine and inhalants\n    declined over the year before.  Not so with LSD.\n\n    * 2% of eighth-graders have tried LSD in the last year, up 24%\n    over 1991. \n\n    * Use of LSD among seniors is at its highest point since 1982; 6%\n    tried it in the last year.\n\n    Reducing drug use among students \"requires a different kind of\n    strategy\" that Health Secretary Donna Shalala says will be part\n    of an overall illness prevention plan.\n\n    The survey shows drugs are easier to get and fewer eighth-graders\n    disapprove of them.\n\n    \"It's scary,\" Shalala says.  \"Dealers are focusing on younger, more\n    vulnerable kids.\"\n\n\nScott Kennedy,  Brewer and Patriot\n\nBefore:  \"David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets\n          the Bible through the barrel of a gun...\"  --ATF spokesman\nAfter:   \"[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets\n          [the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun...\"  --Me\n\n\n","254":"From: ccdarg@dct.ac.uk (Alan Greig)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Dundee Institute of Technology\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.053035.29591@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:\n> In article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:\n>> \n>> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right.\n>> \n>> You sick bastard.\n>> -- \n>> \n>> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\n>> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n>> \n> \n> Why thanks for your reply to my post.  By the way, I never, never ever said \n> that it was right to shoot \"THOSE kind\" of babies.  However it was the Branch\n> Davidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their \"savior\" \n> (yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that \n> what ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their\n> lives for <<<<HIS>>>> cause.  Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's\n> who gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and\n\nFor goodness sake if they had fired a cruise missile at the compound more\npeople would have come out alive. It was obvious to anyone with the remotest\ncontact with reality that such an outcome was likely (not just possible)\nhowever the fire started. As, Mr Lawnmower, you seem to have already entered\nyour own little virtual reality I guess you can't be expected to understand\nthings in the real universe.\n-- \nAlan Greig                            Janet: A.Greig@uk.ac.dct\nDundee Institute of Technology\t   Internet: A.Greig@dct.ac.uk\nTel: (0382) 308810                 (Int +44 382 308810)\n         ** Never underestimate the power of human stupidity **\n","255":"From: dmsilev@athena.mit.edu (Daniel M Silevitch)\nSubject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: w20-575-72.mit.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.180234.18192@oz.plymouth.edu>, oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr20.151912.18590@midway.uchicago.edu> am37@midway.uchicago.edu writes:\n|> \n|> >Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or\n|> >sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files.\n|> You can add sysedit (& regedit) to a program group... they are Windows\n|> programs. \n|> >The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini,\n|> >system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited.\n|> \n|> Is it possible to get it to load other *.ini files ????\n|> \n\nNo. When the program is run, it loads 4 configuration files; autoexec.bat,\nconfig.sys, win.ini, and system.ini. There is no Open entry on the File\nmenu. You can only edit these four files. If you need to edit some other\nprogram's .ini file, use Notepad or some other ASCII editor.\n\nI wonder whether Microsoft intended for sysedit to be used, or if it was\njust a holdover from the testing period and they forgot to take it out. The\nreason I think this is because there is absolutely no mention in the manuals\nabout this program, and there is no online help for it (just an About entry\nunder the File menu). The program looks like something that was intended for\ninternal use only. It's kind of a shame, though. It would have made a nice\nmulti-file replacement for Notepad.\n\nDaniel Silevitch                           dmsilev@athena.mit.edu\nMassachusetts Institute of Technology\n","256":"From: dpeterik@iastate.edu (Dan Peterik)\nSubject: Re: Brewer Notes\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 26\n\nIn <30MAR93.02086551.0010@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> PFAN <PFAN@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> writes:\n\n>For those of you who know who Bernie Brewer is, he's back.  The\n>team mascot, if you will, was given his walking papers a few years\n>ago, but the fans voted him back last season and he will be perched\n>in the his familiar home in the outfield and will again slide down\n>into a barrel of beer when home runs are hit.\n\nThat is great to hear I just may have to take a raod trip to Milwakee this year and see that again.  Last time I saw Bernie Brewer was at the age of 10 and I am now 21 thanks for this post.\n\n>One final note, Bill Spiers is leading the Brewers with 13 RBI's in\n>exhibition play.  Looks like he's bouncing back nicely from back\n>problems.\n\nGood to Bill is getting better form the limited coverage we get here in Iowa\nI know that this will be a great season for the BREW CREW!!\n\n\n>\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\n>| Pete Fanning, Computer Operator  | \"Leadership is ACTION |\n>| Office of Information Technology |  ...NOT Position\"     |\n>| Milwaukee Area Technical College |     -- D. H. McGannon |\n>|**********************************************************|\n>| Email: pfan@music.lib.matc.edu (Internet)                |\n>|  -or-  Pete.Fanning@f71.n154.z1.fidonet.org              |\n>\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\n","257":"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)\nSubject: S1, S2\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n > Second question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not\n >a real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system-\n >security.\n\n  The only theory that makes any sense is that S1 and S2 are either the\nsame for all chips, or vary among very few possibilities, so that anyone\ntrying to break the encryption by brute force need only plow through the\npossible serial numbers (2^30, about one billion), multiplied by the number\nof different S1, S2 combinations.\n\n\n\n\n","258":"From: cabanrf@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Re: My Belated Predictions (NL)\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <mssC4zyo8.JsC@netcom.com>, mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:\n> In article <Apr.4.19.42.08.1993.12176@pilot.njin.net> gajarsky@pilot.njin.net (Bob Gajarsky - Hobokenite) writes:\n>>i've said the braves would improve by injury as well.  here's how.\n>>\n>>javier lopez is a better catcher than greg olson.\n>>ryan klasko is a better firstbaseman than bream.\n>> chipper jones is a better shortstop than anyone the braves\n>> put out there.\n>>\n>>mel nieves is better than nixon\/sanders.\n>>\n>>that's how. it FORCES them to play the young guys.\n>>\n>>- bob gaj\n> \n> I continue to be amazed at these comments.  While Lopez might *some\n> day* be a better catcher than Olson, I find it totally amazing for\n> you to suggest that this 22 year-old with three seasons of professional\n> baseball is *now* better than Olson, a five-year MLB veteran who is\n> noted for his ability to call a game, and who has a better-than-average\n> arm.  Oh, perhaps you are talking about hitting.  Well, sure, Lopez\n> *might* hit better.  Perhaps he *probably* will.\n> \n> But has there ever in the history of baseball been a 22-year-old (or\n> younger) *rookie* catcher who compared favorably among all league\n> catchers in terms of defense and brought a .247 bat?  Wasn't it \n\nYes, Ivan Rodriguez, last year.  Batted .260 and threw out 51% of the\nbaserunners.  Not too shabby for a rookie from AA.  20 years old last\nyear.\n\n> Sandy Alomar who was supposed to be that good in his rookie year?\n> Not.  Wasn't it Benito Santiago who was supposed to be that good\n> in his rookie year?  Not.\n> \n> I can continue this thread with the others mentioned, but you get\n> the point.  You and others seem to be so quick to dismiss the \n> seasoned veterans in favor of the hot *young* rookies.  Perhaps -\n> just perhaps - the management team of the pennant-winning Braves\n> knows something more than you do.  And perhaps what they know is\n> that very, very few 21- and 22-year old rookies come up to the majors\n> and make an impact. \n> \n> \n> --\tThe Beastmaster\n> \n> \n>  \n> -- \n> Mark Singer    \n> mss@netcom.com\n-- \nRoy F. Cabaniss......................*Wait till Tommy meets the Lord and\nWestern Kentucky University..........*finds out that He's wearing pinstripes.\nAll opinions contained herein........*Gaylord Perry (talking about Lasorda)\nAre all mine own, and that's the sin.*Baseball, what a way to spend a day!!\n","259":"From: ivan@IRO.UMontreal.CA (Catalin Ivan)\nSubject: IDE\/ESDI coexistence\nSummary: How to make IDE and ESDI controllers live together???\nKeywords: HD, controller, IDE, ESDI, disks\nOrganization: Universite de Montreal\nLines: 57\n\nHello all,\n\nYou, the Net, are my last resort, or I'll just change my job :-)\nThis might be a FAQ (e.g. mixing controllers) but haven't seen any.\n\nSys: 486\/33, AMI BIOS, and your run-of-the mill multi-I\/O card with\nserials\/paral\/floppies and \n\t- IDE controller \"clone\" Gw2760-EX\n\t\tthere are no jumpers affecting the HD or ctrller :-( \n\t- Quantum ProDrive LPS (3\" 105M type 47: 755cyl, 16hds, 17spt).\n\nPb: I want to bring in this (2nd hand, neat price):\n\t- Maxtor XT-B380E (~330M, <15ms, BIOS type 1, ctrller manages\n\t\tthe real geom: 1630cyl, 8hds, 52spt)\n\t- Western Digital WD1007V-SE1 ESDI ctrller: no floppies.\n\t\t(jumpers set IRQ 14\/15, hw port addr 1F0\/170,\n\t\tand BIOS addr CC00\/C800, and other floppy\/format stuff)\n\nGoal: have the WD ESDI as a secondary\/controller and have both disks \nsimultaneously working. Being able to boot from the ESDI too would be \na nice bonus but is not expected.\n\nUltimate goal: have room for Linux et al.\nEx of scheme I have in mind: boot from IDE (HD or floppy) and mount\nthe ESDI as root. Not booting from ESDI, or even from HD, is acceptable.\n\nI have tried numerous (all!!) combinations to no avail. They work alone,\nor can coexist witout hang-ups but can't access the ESDI or the IDE, \ndepending on setup\/jumpers.\n\nUseful suggestions might be:\n- How do I tell the BIOS setup about two ctrllers (I guess the 2nd HD\nis expected to hang off the same ctrller as the 1st).\n- Do I need some driver to make it work?\n- --- \" --- some new BIOS\/chip for any of these cards?\n- do I have to buy another controller to make them HDs happy? IDE\nis cheaper; ESDI is hard to find and rather costly. I'm not \nrich or I wouldnt' try to scavenge around, so soft slns are preferred.\n- adapters of some sort; I can hold a soldering iron, and can change\na chip or put a jumper!\n\nAlso useful:\n- BBS or Hot-line of Western Digital.\n- ftp archives with relevant info.\n- expert stores in Toronto, Ontario area (that would be a miracle! haven't\nseen any really knowledgeable ppl in a while)\n- any hints into inner workings of the system ... \n- anything else that helped you in similar situations (prayers :-) )\n\nDirect or posted replies are ok.\n\tMany thanks,\n\t\t\tCat.\n--\n\/\/\/\/\/\/ \/\/\/ \/\/ \/ \/  \/  \/   \/   \/    \/     \/      \/      \/        \/ \nCatalin Ivan - email: ivan@Iro.UMontreal.CA - tel:(416) 324.8704\n         Human-Computer   INTERACTION   Humain-Machine \nUniversite de Montreal - Informatique et Recherche Operationelle\n","260":"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 74\n\nIn article <114140@bu.edu>\njaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n \n>>>>> In cases of prostitution\n>>>>>both the man and the prostitute would be punished in public, quite\n>>>>>severely.\n \n(Deletion)\n \n>\n>>No Gregg, you cannot say A is lenient and A punishes severely in public.\n>>Unless, of course, it is one of the exceptions implied by \"almost all\n>>matters\".\n>\n>That depends on the statistics and who is punished in public. If some\n>power (for example, nothing Islamic about it) allows men to rape women\n>five times before blowing the rapist's head off in public then I'd call\n>that leniency, wouldn't you?\n>\n \nYou have given that example. It is not lenient. End of argument.\n \nAnd chopping off the hands or heads of people is not lenient either. It\nrather appears that you are internalized the claims about the legal system\nwithout checking if they suit the description.\n \nAnd wasn't the argument that it takes five men to rape a woman according\nto Islamic law?\n \n \n>>While I don't approve of it, I think both the prostitute and the customer\n>>have the right to do what they do. In other words, punishing them is a\n>>violation of their rights. And to punish them severely in public is just\n>>another pointer to the hysteria connected with sexuality in so many\n>>religions.\n>\n>Believe what you like.\n>\n \nNo, I even believe what I don't like. Can you give better answers than that?\nHave you got any evidence for your probably opposite claims?\n \n \n>>In this case, I don't see why I should accept the complex ridden views\n>>of an oriental goatherd.\n>\n>Ah, yes, I forget that the West is historically so much without sexual\n>neurosis :)\n>\n>\"Oriental goatherd\", _really_ intellectual.\n>\n \nA fact, if memory serves. And most will see the connection between the\nprimitive machism in the Orient and in Islam.\n \n>>If people agree on having sex it is fine. And I would assume that a\n>>god would have a clue of what the detrimental effects of supressing it\n>>are.\n>\n>Huh? Ever heard of AIDs? (Of course you'll probably go on to say that\n>God must be evil because he allows the disease to exist, bla bla).\n>\n \nAs usually you miss the point. Aids is  neither spread only through sex\nnor necessarily spread by having sex. Futher, the point is, a very important\npoint, the urge for sex is stronger than the fear of AIDS. It is even\nstronger than the religious attempts to channel or to forbid sex. The\nconsequences of suppressing sex are worse than the consequences of Aids.\nPlease note that the idea that everybody would end up with AIDS when sex\nis not controlled is completely counterfactual.\n \n \nAnd since you have brought up the point, is your god evil or not?\n   Benedikt\n","261":"From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN  JONATHAN JAMES)\nSubject: Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 42\n\nmuellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:\n\n>Considering that Clinton received a draft notice and got out of it (he admits it) the political feasibility of him abolishing it is not something he would\n>be inclined to risk any extra exposure on.\n\nAs a libertarian (with a small l) who voted for Clinton, I think that he\nshould abolish the Selective Service and the draft.  If his conscience\nforbade him to go to war in Vietnam, it should forbid him to perpetuate\nthis system of government-sanctioned slavery.\n\n>Agreed. Congress took money from NASA and FHA to fund the second Seawolf.\n>The shipyards are still building Los Angeles Class submarines and there\n>is a lack of ASW foes to contend with. The Navy is considering reducing\n>the number of attack subs to 40 (Navy Times) and that would entail\n>getting rid of or mothballing some of the current Los Angeles class.\n>Politically, General Dynamics is in Connecticut and we will get\n>Seawolf subs whether we need them or not.\n\nIf our government would pay attention to SERIOUS domestic issues (the ECONOMY)\nand choose to stay out of other people's wars (Iraq, Bosnia, Somalia),\nwe would not be in this fix.  An anyway, couldn't the jobs be replaced by\nimproving our domestic situation?  (I'm not for continued deficit spending,\nbut if Clinton and Congress want to spend, I'd rather they improve the \ninfrastructure than fight other people's wars.)\n\n>In addition, more bases need to be closed. Probably Long Beach Naval Station\n>and others. The Navy is talking about three main bases on each coast being \n>required to home port a total fleet of 320 ships.\n>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down\n>a pork happy Congress.\n\nA novel idea:  Getting away from naval bases, what about refurbishing\ndecommissioned Air Force bases as airports?  This would be SO much cheaper\nthan building them from the ground up (Denver's new airport is one of the \nmost appalling examples of pork-barreling and cronyism I have seen in\nmy lifetime).  Even if no more airports are needed, I'm sure Bill Gates\nor Ross Perot would LOVE to have their own private airfields, and the\nmoney from their purchases could be applied to the public debt.\n\n>Jon Dunn<\n\n* All E-mail flames will be deleted without reading *\n","262":"From: celeste%express@freedom.msfc.nasa.gov (Celeste)\nSubject: Re: male\/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ]\nNntp-Posting-Host: 128.158.16.248\nOrganization: AEGIS\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <1pima2INN180@gap.caltech.edu>, wen-king@cs.caltech.edu\n(Wen-King Su) wrote:\n> \n> In article <1993Apr1.191826.28921@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> sharen@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com (Sharen A. Rund) writes:\n> \n> <apparently you're not a woman - my husband hates the auto door locks\n> >features, but forgets that besides families with children, a woman\n> <feels safer in a car that locks easily (in addition to watching around\n> >& checking out if anyone's near me when I get to my car - never park\n> <in a secluded spot, etc - have my keys ready to open the door so I'm\n> >not fumbling in my purse looking for them ....\n> \n> This has me thinking.  Is there a biological reason why women can't put\n> their keys in their pants pockets like men do?  I have two pockets on the\n> back of each of my pants.  I put my keys in one and wallent in another.\n> Many of the pockets even have a botton on them so I can close them securely.\n> Everything is that much simpler for me.  Why can't women do the same?\n> Is is biological (ie, not enough room for a bigger bottom plus keys and\n> a wallet) or is it the way they are raised by the parents? \n\nWomen's pants rarely have pockets and most, when they do, are too\nshallow to use!\n\nI is very important for a woman to have her keys in her hand when\nshe goes from building to a car. It is protect herself from\nwould be assilants by broadcasting that this is someone who\nas a definite place of safty (ie a locked car!).\n\nPuting keys and walet looks ugly! It breaks the lines and makes\nyou rear look wide as a cows!\n\n Also, to have the habits that\nwork for any clothing situation, the pruse functions no mater\nwhat you are wearing! (even nude or a bikni)\n\nA women's suit coat is lucky to have 2 pockets (2 on the outside,\nnone on the inside). I have men's coats that have as much as 6\npockets! This is definitally not fair!!!\n\nAs one that wears both men's and women's clothes, I can tell you,\nwomen's clothes have few if any funtional pockets!\n\nWhen dressed as a man, I put my wallet on my inside coat pocket and\nmy keys in a coat outside pocket. It is much more covenent\nthan the pants pockets and looks better.\n\nHaving a car that unlocks quickly and locks back fast is\nparamout to a woman's safty. Men don't see this as a problem.\nA woman is aware of this every time she goes out! (i.e.\nImage some red necks yelling at you \"We are going to FUCK YOU!\"\nand the out weight you by 20 lbs and have 3 inches in hight\non you!)\n\nIf you want to find out why a women does something, LIVE AS ONE!\n\nCeleste\n","263":"From: Mamatha Devineni Ratnam <mr47+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!!\nOrganization: Post Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu\n\nIn my last message, I wrote:\n****************************************************\n12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement\nin favor of revenue sharing.\n******************************************************\n\n\nI meant argument instead of agreement.\nAlso, I think I should add a coouple of Ted's positive achievements\n- Smiley trade was good for the pirates. but I think Ted could have gotten\nsomeone better than Neagle. Cummings seems to be pretty good.\n- The Cole trade was excellent. BUt Simmons has botched it up now.\n-This year's draft seems to have gone well for the PIrates. BUt then they\nlost 2 high picks in the Bonds fiasco.\n\nOH well, I should give up trying to prove that Simmons is not a total\nidiot.\n","264":"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Moon Colony Prize Race! $6 billion total?\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\n\nI think if there is to be a prize and such.. There should be \"classes\"\nsuch as the following:\n\nLarge Corp.\nSmall Corp\/Company (based on reported earnings?)\nLarge Government (GNP and such)\nSmall Governemtn (or political clout or GNP?)\nLarge Organization (Planetary Society? and such?)\nSmall Organization (Alot of small orgs..)\n\nThe organization things would probably have to be non-profit or liek ??\n\nOf course this means the prize might go up. Larger get more or ??\nBasically make the prize (total purse) $6 billion, divided amngst the class\nwinners..\nMore fair?\n\nThere would have to be a seperate organization set up to monitor the events,\numpire and such and watch for safety violations (or maybe not, if peopel want\nto risk thier own lives let them do it?).\n\nAny other ideas??\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\n\n\n","265":"From: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully)\nSubject: Request for AL stats....\nReply-To: k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully)\nOrganization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.\nLines: 4\n\n  Anyone have the AL individual stats or where i can find them?\n\n\tK-->\n\n","266":"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)\nSubject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18\nOrganization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.211406.22528@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> spiegel@sgi413.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel) writes:\n>\tAccording to the SJ Murky News the Team USA roster is (names and\n>\tteams played for in 1992-93 listed):\n>\n>\t\tGoalies\n>\t\t-------\n........\n>\t\tForwards\n>\t\t--------\n>\tTony Amonte\tNew York Rangers\n>\tTed Drury\tHarvard Univ\n>\tRob Gaudreau\tSan Jose' Sharks\n>\tCraig Johnson\tUniv of Minnesota\n>\tJeff Lazaro\tOttawa Senators\n>\tMike Modano\tMinnesota North Stars\n>\tEd Olczyk\tNew York Rangers\n>\tDerek Plante\tUniv of Minnesota-Duluth\n>\tShion Podein\tEdmonton Oilers\n>\tDavid Sacco\tBoston University\n>\tDarren Turcotte New York Rangers\n>\tDoug Weight\tEdmonton Oilers\n>\n\nIt looks like the Edmonton Oilers just decided to take a European\nvacation this spring...\n\nRanford, Tugnutt, Benning, Manson, Smith, Buchberger, and Corson\nare playing for Canada.\n\nPodein and Weight are playing for the US.\n\nIs Kravchuk playing for the Russians...I know he had nagging\ninjuries late in the season.\n\nPodein is an interesting case...because he was eligible to\nplay in Cape Breton in the AHL playoffs like Kovalev, Zubov,\nand Andersson...obviously Sather and Pocklington are not\nthe total scrooges everyone makes them out to be...certainly\nin this case they've massively outclassed Paramount and the\nNew York Rangers.\n\nGerald\n\n","267":"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)\nSubject: Brad Hernlem vs. principle\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 50\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n     In his neverending effort to make sure that we do not forget         \n     what a moron he is, Brad Hernlem has asked why Israel rarely\n     abides by UN Security Council resolutions.  Perhaps the list\n     below might answer the question.  \n\n\n     Incident                           Security Council Response\n     ------------------------------------------------------------                                              \n  1. Hindu-Moslem clash in INdia, over 2,000 killed, 1990    NONE\n  2. Gassing to death of over 8,000 Kurds by                 NONE\n     Iraqi Air Force, 1988-89    \n  3. Saudi security forces slaughter                         NONE\n     400 pilgrims in Mecca, 1987      \n  4. Killing by Algerian army of 500 demonstrators, 1988     NONE\n  5. Intrafada (Arabs killing Arabs) -- over 300 killed      NONE\n  6. 30,000 civilians slaughtered by government              NONE\n     troops in Hama, Syria, 1982                                \n  7. Killing of 5,000 Palestinians by Jordanian troops,      NONE\n     thousands expelled, Sept., 1970                                \n  8. 87 Moslems killed in Egypt, 1981                        NONE  \n  9. 77 killed in Egyption bread riots, 1977                 NONE\n 10. 30 border and rocket attacks against Israel by          NONE\n     the PLO in 1989 alone                     \n 11. Munich, 1972: 11 Israeli athletes slaughtered           NONE\n 12. Ma'alot, 1974: children killed in PLO attack            NONE\n 13. Israel Coastal bus attack: 34 dead, 82 wounded          NONE\n 14. Syria kills 23,000 Palestinians, 1976                   NONE\n 15. Lebanon: over 150,000 dead since 1975                   NONE\n 16. Yemen: 13,000 killed in two weeks, 1986                 NONE\n 17. Sudan: Tens of thousands of Black slaves,               NONE\n     Civil War toll, 1 million killed, 3 million refugees        \n 18. Tienenman Square massacre 1989                          NONE\n 19. Rumania, 3,000 killed, 1989                             NONE\n 20. Pan Am 103 disaster carried out by the P.L.O            NONE\n 21. Northern Ireland                                        NONE\n 22. Cambodia                                                NONE\n 23. Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan                        NONE\n 24. American riots at Attica, Watts, Newark, Kent State     NONE\n 25. 1981: Israel destroys Iraqi reractor, Israel         CONDEMNED\n 26. 1990: Israeli police protect Israeli worshipers      CONDEMNED\n     against Arab mob, 18 anti-Jewish rioters killed                     \n 27. Syrian soldiers slaughter Christian soldiers            NONE\n     after they surrender, 1990                                       \n \n     It appears that Brad Hernlem and the United Nations Security\n     Council have something in common.  They both seem unfettered \n     by the demands of acting on principle.\n\n \n","268":"From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)\nSubject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nLines: 21\nNntp-Posting-Host: worwig.atlantaga.ncr.com\nOrganization: NCR Corporation\nX-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0\n\nIn Article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu> \"ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)\" says:\n> \n> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:\n> \n> Mike Terry asks:\n> \n> >Is it possible to do a \"wheelie\" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n> >\n> No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects\n> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift\n> off the ground.\n> -- \n> DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan\nWell my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie.\nThe rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an\nodd feel, but it still wheelies.\n","269":"Subject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3\nFrom: nemo@aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es (Francisco J. Ballesteros)\nOrganization: Computer Science, CLIP lab, UPM Madrid, Spain.\nNntp-Posting-Host: aguirre.dia.fi.upm.es\nIn-reply-to: dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu's message of 2 Apr 93 21:24:05 GMT\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.212405.5213@head-cfa.harvard.edu> dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes:\n\n>   \t   I've been trying to compile X11R5 patchlevel 23 on a Sun Sparc\n>      IPX using SunOS_4.1.3, and gcc 2.3.3.\n>   \n>   \t   The problem occurs during the initial \"make World\".  When\n>      it gets up to compiling the standard X clients, it can't seem to find\n>      some of the libraries.  Right now we highly suspect the program \"ld\"\n>      which was updated for 4_1_3.\n>   \n\n    Yip, we had the same problem; the only fix we found was to link static\nsome of the clients, ( btw, we used cc). :-(.\n\n--\n\/+=========================================++================================+\\\n||Francisco J. Ballesteros [a.k.a. Nemo]   ||  email: nemo@clip.dia.fi.upm.es||\n||org:  Computer Science, CLIP lab.        ||  phone: +34 1 336-7448         ||\n||      Campus Montegancedo s.n. U.P.M.    ||  ___         ___               ||\n||      Boadilla del Monte, Madrid, Spain. ||  \\\\   \\\\   o \\\\_)  \\   _ \\__   ||\n\\+=========================================++== \\\\__ \\\\__\\\\ \\\\ == \\_(_\\_\\_) =+\/\n","270":"From: gtj@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Glenn T Jayaputera)\nSubject: Need Info on high quality video card\nOrganization: RMIT Department of Computer Science\nLines: 10\n\nHi...I need some info on video card.  I am looking a video card that can\ndeliver a high quality picture.  I need the card to display images (well\nfor advertising company btw), so it must be rich with colors and the speed\nmust be fast too.\n\nI am just wondering if somebody can advise me what to buy for such\napplication, and possible the address of the vendor.\n\nthanks in advance\nGlenn Jayaputera\n","271":"From: msk9@po.CWRU.Edu (Mahesh S. Khot)\nSubject: Quattro Pro File Format\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 12\nReply-To: msk9@po.CWRU.Edu (Mahesh S. Khot)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n\n\nWe are trying to write a program which can read files created by quattro\npro 3.0 and above.  Would anyone know where to find information regarding\nthe format in which Quattro Pro stores its files.\n\nThanks in Advance\nMahesh\n-- \nfamous dummies =  Madam Tussade's Wax Museum. \nStill at Case msk9@po.cwru.edu\n","272":"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nSubject: Re: Could this be a migraine?\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis\nReply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nLines: 31\n\nGB> From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nGB> >(I am excepting migraine, which is arguably neurologic).\nGB> I hope you meant \"inarguably\".\n\nGiven the choice, I would rather argue <g>.\n\nNo arguments about migranous aura; in fact, current best evidence is\nthat aura is intrinsicially neuronal (a la spreading depression of\nLeao) rather than vascular (something causing vasoconstriction and\nsecondary neuronal ischemia).\n\nMigraine without aura, however, is a fuzzier issue.  There do not\nseem to be objectively measurable changes in brain function.  The\nCopenhagen mafia (Lauritzen, Olesen, et al) have done local CBF\nstudies on migraine without aura, and (unlike migraine with aura,\nbut like tension-type) they found no changes in LCBF.\n\nFrom one (absurd) perspective, *all* pain is neurologic, because in\nthe absence of a nervous system, there would not be pain.  From\nanother (tautologic) perspective, any disease is in the domain of\nthe specialty that treats it.  Neurologists treat headache,\ntherefore (at least in the USA) headache is neurologic.\n\nWhether neurologic or not, nobody would disagree that disabling\nheadaches are common.  Perhaps my fee-for-service neurologic\ncolleagues, scrounging for cases, want all the headache patients\nthey can get.  Working on a salary, however, I would rather not fill\nmy office with patients holding their heads in pain.\n---\n . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)\n                                                                       \n","273":"From: berger@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (David Berger)\nSubject: 101 Keyboard wanted.\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 7\n\nI'm looking to buy a 100% working keyboard for a 286 system (preferably \na 101 layout.)  I'm looking to spend about $20.\n\n\n-- \n\n\t\t\t\t\tDavid\n","274":"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nArticle-I.D.: armory.1prve9$1aa\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202\n\ndunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN  JONATHAN JAMES) writes:\n>ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:\n>>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)\n\n>This is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without\n>spilling or having someone hold on to them.\n\nI agree.  Six hour long stretches behind the wheel really make me\nthirsty, especially for something with caffeine.  I consider it a\nfailing of my car that it has no cup holder nor anywhere to put a cup\nholder.\n\njim frost\njimf@centerline.com\n","275":"From: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)\nSubject: Re: images of earth\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT\nLines: 20\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: dingebre@imp.sim.es.com (David Ingebretsen)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: imp.sim.es.com\n\nI downloaded an image of the earth re-constructed from elevation data taken\nat 1\/2 degree increments. The author (not me) wrote some c-code (included)\nthat read in the data file and generated b&w and pseudo color images. They\nwork very well and are not incumbered by copyright. They are at an aminet\nsite near you called earth.lha in the amiga\/pix\/misc area...\n\nI refer you to the included docs for the details on how the author (sorry, I\nforget his name) created these images. The raw data is not included.\n\n-- \n\tDavid\n\n\tDavid M. Ingebretsen\n\tEvans & Sutherland Computer Corp.\n\tdingebre@thunder.sim.es.com\n\n\tDisclaimer: The content of this message in no way reflects the\n\t            opinions of my employer, nor are my actions\n\t\t    encouraged, supported, or acknowledged by my\n\t\t    employer.\n","276":"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <7020.Apr2207.05.3993@silverton.berkeley.edu>, djb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr21.132318.16981@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:\n> > And key size is one of the things that can be\n> > verified externally.\n> \n> Gee. Say they feed the 80-bit key through Snefru-8 and take the first 60\n> bits of the result, then use those 60 bits as the real key. How do you\n> figure out that each key is one of 2^20 ``equal'' keys? You can try a\n> birthday attack, but if the key can be changed only once a second then\n> you will need several lifetimes to get reliable statistics.\n\nYou're right, and I retract the suggestion.  Still, I wonder.  That\nthere are only 60 bits of key information should, in principle, be\ndetectable.  Maybe some variant of the tests Rivest et al. did to\ndemonstrate that DES was probably not a group?  It should make an\ninteresting paper -- a black-box analysis of a cryptosystem.\n","277":"From: gcohen@mailer.acns.fsu.edu (Gregory Cohen)\nSubject: Re: Photo shop scanner?\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 37\n\nIn article <C5LGII.EuJ@ncube.com> root@ncube.com (Operator) writes:\n>From: root@ncube.com (Operator)\n>Subject: Photo shop scanner?\n>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 20:49:30 GMT\n>I have a Macc IIci and a Color scanner.\n>I scanned a picture at 600 dpi. When I try to print\n>it on my HP500 color printer, after 10 minutes of\n>making noise, the mac hangs. I would need to reboot it.\n>What does this mean? Do I need to buy more memory? I have\n>5.0 MB now. I also have about 50 MB of disk free, and the\n>scanned picture is about 12 MB.\n>\n>---\n>\n>\n>\n>                     ^~\n>                     @ *  *\n>  Captain Zod...    _|\/_ \/\n>  zod@ncube.com    |-|-|\/\n>                  0 \/| 0\n>                   \/ |\n>           \\=======&==\\===\n>           \\===========&===\n>\n>\n>\n\nhave you tried printing the data file (TIFF) from another application such \nas freehand or PageMaker?  I have found that Photoshop has occasional \nproblems printing files that I can print through other applications.\n\n-GReg\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| gcohen@mailer.cc.fsu.edu         | Infinite Illusions Juggling Supplies    |\n| \"Beware of the Fnord or it will  | 1-800-54TORCH Call or write for a       |\n|  eat you\"                        | catalog.                                |\n","278":"From: cmwolf@mtu.edu (Engineer by Day - Asleep by Night)\nSubject: Re: Answers to many electronics Questions\nOrganization: Michigan Technological University\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 19\n\nBill Willis (willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu) wrote:\n: I have notice a lot of electronics questions by people who are obviously not \n: \"tuned-in\" to electronics.  Many of them have rather simple answers, and \n: many of them require a circuit diagram.\n\n: Rather than muck up the network, why don't you write to me, send a self-\n: addressed, stamped envelop, and I'll answer your questions, if I can.\n\n: W. L. Willis, P. E.\n: 114 Fern Circle\n: Clemson, SC 29631\n\nBecause the network is quicker, easier, and free (at least to me).\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nChristopher Wolf             Electrical Engineer                cmwolf@mtu.edu\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n         Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You're still a rat.\n","279":"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nLines: 24\n\n\tgtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal) writes:\n\t>\n\t>In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device\n\t>to the phone network.  (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets\n\t>must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...)\n\t>\n\n\tWhats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem?\n\n\tI'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the\n\tmodems that they have already approved for data transmission will work\n\tjust fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice.\n\nAbsolutely.  I just meant that no secure *dedicated* crypto device has\never been given approval.  Guerrilla underground devices should be well\npossible with today's high-speed modems (not that I can think of many v32bis\nmodems that are approved either mind you - just the overpriced Couriers)\n\nCan someone tell me if hardware compression is or is not needed to run\ndigital speech down 14.4K?  I think it is; I've heard it's not.  Lets\nsay 8 bit samples.  Would *raw* data at the corresponding sampling rate\nbe usable?  If not, how fancy does the compression need to be?\n\nG\n","280":"From: tammy@uclink.berkeley.edu (Tammy Chen)\nSubject: Toolwork: MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu\n\nI have the following program on CD ROM forsale:\n\n\n\tToolwork MPC Encyclopedia on CD-ROM\n\t- Multimedia\n\t- Brand new\n\t  - Shrink-wrapped\n\n\nAsking : $50 \/ obo\n\nSend reply to : sam@ocf.berkeley.edu\n\nThank you\n","281":"Nntp-Posting-Host: 134.58.96.14\nFrom: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be (Wim Van Holder)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: K.U.Leuven - Applied Economic Sciences Department\nSubject: WINQVTNET with NDIS on Token Ring ?\nLines: 13\n\nIs it possible to use WinQVT\/Net on a machine that uses NDIS to connect to a\nToken Ring ? I tried it with older versions (< 3.2) but got an invalid packet\nclass error or something the like...\n\nRegards,\n\nWim Van Holder\nKatholieke Universiteit Leuven          Tel: ++32 (0)16\/28.57.16\nDepartement T.E.W.                      FAX: ++32 (0)16\/28.57.99\nDekenstraat 2\nB-3000 Leuven                           E-mail: wimvh@liris.tew.kuleuven.ac.be\nBELGIUM                                         fdbaq03@cc1.kuleuven.ac.be\n\n","282":"From: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron)\nSubject: Re: Shuttle oxygen (was Budget Astronaut)\nLines: 24\nNntp-Posting-Host: skndiv.dseg.ti.com\nReply-To: pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com\nOrganization: TI\/DSEG VAX Support\n\n\nIn article <1qn044$gq5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n>I thought that under emergency conditions,  the STS  can\n>put down at any good size Airport.  IF it could take a C-5 or a\n>747, then it can take an orbiter.   You just need a VOR\/TAC\n>\n>I don't know if they need ILS.\n\nDFW was designed with the STS in mind (which really mean very little).  Much of\ntheir early PR material had scenes with a shuttle landing and two or three\nothers pulled up to gates.  I guess they were trying to stress how advanced the\nairport was.\n\nFor Dallas types:  Imagine the fit Grapevine and Irving would be having if the\nshuttle WAS landing at DFW. (For the rest, they are currently having some power\nstruggles between the airport and surrounding cities).\n--\nDillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the\nTI\/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.\n(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |\n(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood.  We need\npyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          |solutions, not gestures.\nPADI DM-54909                     |\n\n","283":"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff)\nSubject: Box score abbrev woes\nOrganization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY\nLines: 7\n\nCan anybody figure out why some box score abbreviations make\nabsolutely no sense?  (At least in the local Gannett rag that finds its way\nto my door.)  I must have stared at \"Cleman\" in the Mets' box for a\ngood 30 seconds this morning wondering who the hell it was.  Wouldn't\nit make more sense to use \"Colemn\"?\n\nJay\n","284":"From: fineman@stein2.u.washington.edu (Twixt your toes)\nSubject: Anyone know use \"rayshade\" out there?\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu\nKeywords: rayshade, uw.\n\nI'm using \"rayshade\" on the u.w. computers here, and i'd like input\nfrom other users, and perhaps swap some ideas.  I could post\nuuencoded .gifs here, or .ray code, if anyone's interested.  I'm having\ntrouble coming up with colors that are metallic (i.e. brass, steel)\nfrom the RGB values.\n\nIf you're on the u.w. machines, check out \"~fineman\/rle.files\/*.rle\" on \nstein.u.washington.edu for some of what i've got.  \n\ndan\n\n\n","285":"From: ab220@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michel Dozois)\nSubject: Re: PowerBook Batteries\nReply-To: ab220@Freenet.carleton.ca (Michel Dozois)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 20\n\n\nIn a previous article, gil@cc.gatech.edu (Gil Neiger) says:\n\n>I have a few questions about PowerBook batteries, specifically,\n>the NiCad batteries I have for my PB170.\n>\n>2.  Can the PowerBook run without any battery if the charger is\n>plugged in?\n\nNo problems.\n-- \nMichel Dozois - Gloucester, Ontario, Canada - ab220@freenet.carleton.ca\n\t- Membre du Club de cerf-volant de l'Outaouais {OVKC} \n\t\t- Membre du National Capital Macintosh Club {NCMC}\n\t\t\t- Membre du Jungle BBS {un babillard Macintosh}\n","286":"From: rita@eff.org (Rita Marie Rouvalis)\nSubject: Re: **Sorry folks** (read this)\nOriginator: rita@eff.org\nNntp-Posting-Host: eff.org\nOrganization: Enormes_Rebajas_Online\nDistribution: na\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.014646.28445@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> andersom@spot.Colorado.EDU (Marc Anderson) writes:\n\n>I just found out from my source that this article was a joke.  Heh heh..  \n>It seemed pretty damn convincing to me from the start -- I just didn't\n>notice the smiley at the end of the article, and there were a few other\n>hints which I should of caught.\n\n\tPeople took this article seriously?  I mean, I know it's the\nNet and all, but the prankster didn't even have Clinton's sound-bites\nright.\n\n\n-- \nRita Rouvalis\nrita@village.com\n","287":"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: Re: Question about Virgin Mary\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 22\n\nD. Andrew Kille writes:\n\n>Just an observation- although the bodily assumption has no basis in\n>the Bible, Carl Jung declared it to be one of the most important\n>pronouncements\n>of the church in recent years, in that it implied the inclusion of the \n>feminine into the Godhead.\n\nWhich means he has absolutely no idea about what the Assumption is.\n\nHowever greatly we extoll Mary, it is quite obvious that she is in no\nway God or even part of God or equal to God.  The Assumption of our\nBlessed Mother, meant that because of her close identification with the\nredemptive work of Christ, she was Assumed (note that she did not\nASCEND) body and soul into Heaven, and is thus one of the few, along\nwith Elijah, Enoch, Moses (maybe????) who are already perfected in\nHeaven.  Obviously, the Virgin Mary is far superior in glorification to\nany of the previously mentioned personages.\n\nJung should stick to Psychology rather than getting into Theology.\n\nAndy Byler\n","288":"From: miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <Apr.14.03.07.58.1993.5438@athos.rutgers.edu>, mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne) writes:\n> In article <Apr.13.00.09.02.1993.28445@athos.rutgers.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:\n>>[Any former atheists converted by argument?}\n>>This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are\n>>any such cases.  I doubt it.  In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent.\n>>when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone\n>>\"knew the rules.\"  Today, when you can't count on people knowing even\n>>the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is\n>>often indistinguishable from a poor one.\n> \n> The last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of\n> soc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as\n> Josh McDowell and C.S. Lewis.\n\nI haven't followed whatever discussion there may have been on these\npeople, but I feel that C. S. Lewis is an excellent apologist and I\nsee no reason for embarrassment.  If you think that errors and flawed\narguments are a reason for dismissing a thinker, you must dismiss\nnearly every thinker from Descartes to Kant; any philosophy course\nwill introduce you to their weaknesses.  \n \n  The above also expresses a rather odd sense\n> of history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were\n> mostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people\n> today? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the\n> cream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in\n> the medieval period \"knew the rules\" it was a matter of uncritically\n> accepting what they were told.\n\nI said nothing about \"the masses.\"  However comparing \"the masses\" in\nour day and in Aquinas' day really *is* odd.  Read Ortega y Gasset on\nthis.\n\nI'm talking about the familiar experience of arguing all night and\nwinning on logic and evidence, only to discover your opponent to be\nunaware, even intuitively, of things like entailment (let alone\npragmatics).  (I am assuming that both parties are college graduates\nor better...)  Myself, I don't bother any more.\n\nKen\n-- \nminer@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu | Nobody can explain everything to everybody.\nopinions are my own      | G. K. Chesterton\n","289":"From: root@zmax.com (The Big Cheese)\nSubject: Laptop Cards\nOrganization: Z\/Max Computer Solutions, Inc.\nLines: 17\n\nLaptop Connectivity Cards\n-------------------------\n\nPart #T2RN\nDesc: 3270 Remote Emulation Card for Toshiba Laptop Computer\n\nPart #T324M\nDesc: Easytalk 2400 bd dedicated internal modem with MNP level 5 for\n      Toshiba T1200 & T1600\n\nPart #T2LL\nDesc: Easytalk internal ethernet card for toshiba laptop expansion slot.\n\nPart #T232\nDesc: Easytalk 3270 Terminal emulation for toshiba laptop expansion slot\n\nIf interested in all or individual parts send email to rotella@zmax.com\n","290":"From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young)\nSubject: Q: Colormaps with dialog shells\nOrganization: MIT Media Laboratory\nLines: 17\n\n\nI have an applicationShell which uses a colormap created with\nXCreateColormap() and uses all of the colors available for my 8-bit\ndisplay.  When I move the cursor over the window I get the \"Technicolor\nEffect\" - which is fine.  Basically, my program works.\n\nMy problem\/question is: When I popup a dialogShell to prompt the user for\nsome input I want the XmNdialogStyle to be set to\nXmDIALOG_PRIMARY_APPLICATION_MODAL.  The result is that if my cursor is\nover the dialogShell I get my colormap, but if the cursor is over the\napplicationShell (or any window other than the dialogShell) I get the\ndefault colormap.  But I'd like it so that if my cursor is over _any_\nwindow of my application, I get my colormap.\n\nAny suggestions?  Thanks,\n\ndavid,\n","291":"From: gp2011@andy.bgsu.edu (George Pavlic)\nSubject: Matt Militzok please read!\nOrganization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.\nLines: 6\n\n\nSorry to everyone for wasting space.  Matt, the other day you posted that\nyou were doing a mailing list of playoff stats.  I lost your address. \nPlease put me on that list.  Thanks.\n\nGeorge \n","292":"From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)\nSubject: Re: Camping question?\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems (UK) Ltd\nLines: 26\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: discovery.uk.sun.com\n\nIn article 10823@bnr.ca,  npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:\n\n>\n>Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up\n>water from a 12V source.  It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my\n>RD350B.  It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs \n>above 7000.  Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.\n\nOn my LC (RZ to any ex-colonists) I replaced the bolt at the bottom of the barrel\nwith a tap. When I wanted a coffee I could just rev the engine until boiling\nand pour out a cup of hot water.\nI used ethylene glycol as antifreeze rather than methanol as it tastes sweeter.\n\n(-:\n\n         #################################\n   _     #     Roger.Collier@Uk.Sun.COM  #\no_\/_\\_o  #                               #\n (O_O)   #     Sun Microsystems,         #\n  \\H\/    #     Coventry, England.        #\n   U     #     (44) 203 692255           #\n         #     DoD#226        GSXR1100L  #\n         #################################\n           Keeper of the GSXR1100 list.\n\n\n","293":"From: jenski@cae.wisc.edu (Anders Jenski)\nSubject: Quadra 950\/900 case source wanted\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nLines: 12\n\nHello all,\n\nIf anyone knows of a place to get the case to hold the power supply and\nmotherboard of a Quadra 950 please let me know.  I have tried some mail\norder places and some local stores.  Both groups would prefer that I part\nwith over $1000 to get just the case.  In my eyes this seems about $600-$700\nto much.  Any comments?  I currently own the guts of a 950.\n\nPlease email me or post to this group w\/ info,\n\nThanks in advance,\nAndy\n","294":"From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)\nSubject: Re: Raid justification was: Blast them next time\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Michigan Tech\nLines: 52\nNntp-Posting-Host: physerver.phy.mtu.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nOn Wed, 21 Apr 1993 03:52:11 GMT, Peter Cash (cash@convex.com) wrote:\n\n> I just got through listening to the 10 o'clock news on Channel 4 here in\n> Dallas. They trotted out a list of justifications produced by the ATF after\n> \"months of investigation\" for their raid. \n\nCNN just claimed he bought 104 \"semi-automatic assault rifles\".  And\nthey say Koresh wasn't god-like...  He managed to buy or build a\ncollection of fully-automatic semi-automatic rifles...  Quite a feat,\nI would say.  ;-)\n\nThey're still making charges of \"sexual abuse\" and such, or course.\nNobody seems to have noticed that the Treasury department has nothing\nto do with sex crimes.  Or maybe the feds have recently instituted a\nTAX on sex crimes...  Yeah, that's why the BATF was there, looking for\nunregistered *guns* (\"this is my weapon, this is my gun, this is for\nfighting, this is for...\").\n\n> I couldn't believe the junk on this list! For example, the BDs were accused\n> of stockpiling a bunch of \"9mm and .223 ammunition that can be used in M15\n> and M16 assault rifles\". Imagine that--they had ammunition!\n\nI also heard that they're claiming to be cautious because of Koresh's\n\"heated ammunition stockpile\".  I seem to recall that smokeless powder\ntends to decompose at even moderate temperatures.  I would be rather\nsurprised, after a fire of that nature, if *any* of his \"stockpile\" is\nunexploded, or unburned.\n\n> They also had\n> aluminum dust! (Yeah, it's a component of thermite, but so far I haven't\n> heard that it's illegal to take a grinder to the aluminum lawn\n> furniture...)\n\nI seem to recall that aluminum powder is a common component of\nfireworks...  The folks on rec.pyro could probably tell you.\n\n> The only thing on the list that could conceivably have been\n> illegal was an M-79 grenade launcher. (Anybody know about this?)\n\nI think *anything* is legal if you have the proper license.  If he had\na \"curios and relics\" permit, I believe he could legally own\nhandgrenades to go with his launcher.\n\n--\nCharles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu\nDept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931\n-------------------------------------------------------------\n\"...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be\ndrawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render\npowerless the checks provided of one government on another and will\nbecome as venal and oppressive as the government from which we\nseparated.\"   Thomas Jefferson, 1821\n","295":"From: ifaz706@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Noam Tractinsky)\nSubject: Re: Ten questions about Israel\nLines: 66\nNntp-Posting-Host: taupe.cc.utexas.edu\nOrganization: University of Texas @ Austin\nLines: 66\n\nIn article <1483500349@igc.apc.org>, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:\n> \n> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n> Subject: Ten questions about Israel\n> \n> \n> Ten questions to Israelis\n> -------------------------\n> \n> I would be thankful if any of you who live in Israel could help to\n> provide\n>  accurate answers to the following specific questions. These are\n> indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and again by\n> people around me.                                      \n> \n> 1.      Is it true that the Israeli authorities don't recognize\n> Israeli nationality ? And that ID cards, which Israeli citizens\n> must carry at all times, identify people as Jews or Arabs, not as\n> Israelis ?\n\n\n\tThat's true. Israeli ID cards do not identify people\n\tas Israelies. Smart huh?\n\n\n> 3.      Is it true that Israeli stocks nuclear weapons ? If so,\n> could you provide any evidence ?\n\n\tYes. There's one warhead in my parent's backyard in\n\tBeer Sheva (that's only some 20 miles from Dimona,\n\tyou know). Evidence? I saw it!\n\n \n> 4.      Is it true that in Israeli prisons there are a number of\n> individuals which were tried in secret and for which their\n> identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are\n> state secrets ?\n\n\tYes. But unfortunately I can't give you more details.\n\tThat's _secret_, you see.\n\n\n\t\t\t[...]\n\n> \n> Thanks,\n> \n> Elias Davidsson Iceland email:   elias@ismennt.is\n\n\n\tYou're welcome. Now, let me ask you a few questions, if you\n\tdon't mind:\n\n\t1. Is it true that the Center for Policy Research is a \n\t   one-man enterprise?\n\n\t2. Is it true that your questions are not being asked\n\t   bona fide?\n\n\t3. Is it true that your statement above, \"These are indeed \n\t   provocative questions but they are asked time and again by\n\t   people around me\" is not true?\n\n\nNoam\n\n","296":"From: brucek@Ingres.COM (Bruce Kleinman)\nSubject: Re: When did Dodgers move from NY to LA?\nArticle-I.D.: pony.1993Apr6.195730.20277\nOrganization: Ingres Corporation, A subsidiary of The ASK Group, Inc.\nLines: 6\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.160030.2328@ncar.ucar.edu> tparker@music.scd.ucar.edu (Tom Parker) writes:\n>I have a bet with my buddy on when the Dodgers moved from NY to LA.  Does\n>anyone know what year they moved?\n>\n\nThe Dodgers' first year in LA was 1958.\n","297":"From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)\nSubject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year\nKeywords: congratz\nArticle-I.D.: dsd.1993Apr6.044018.23281\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation\nLines: 23\nNntp-Posting-Host: bambam\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:\n>In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:\n \n>> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the \n>> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences?\n>\n>Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the\n>Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity\n>to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended\n>that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function\n>provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the\n>gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the \n>rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers\n>have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the \n>CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.\n\nI dunno, on my old GS1000E the tank-seat junction was nice and smooth.\nBut if you were to travel all the way forward, you'd collect the top\ntriple-clamp in a sensitive area. I'd hate to have to make the choice,\nbut I think I'd prefer the FJ's gas tank. :-)\n-- \nBlaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland\nbgardner@dsd.es.com\n","298":"From: filipows@spk.hp.com (Dennis Filipowski)\nSubject: ? Octopus\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\nLines: 4\n\n   During the Detroit game Mon night there were octopus thrown on\n   the ice what is the meaning or symbolism here?  They used to\n   throw fish on the ice here in Spokane afew years ago. I never \n   knew where this came from.\n","299":"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nSubject: Re: Legality of the Jewish Purchase (was Re: Israeli Expansion-lust)\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 69\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.225910.16670@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:\n>Adam Shostack writes: \n>> Sam Zbib writes\n>   >>I'm surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by\n>   >>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive\n>   >>state, as a hostile action leading to war.\n>\n>>\tIt was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an\n>> exclusive state.  If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have\n>> 400 000 arab citizens.\n>\n>Could you please tell me what was the ethnic composition of \n>Israel right after it was formed. \n>\n>\n>> \tAnd no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile\n>> action.  When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing\n>> to sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce.  It\n>> is not a hostile action leading to war.\n>\n>No one in his right mind would sell his freedom and dignity.\n>Palestinians are no exception. Perhaps you heard about\n>anti-trust in the business world.\n>\n>Since we are debating the legality of a commercial\n>transaction, we must use the laws governing the guidelines\n>and ethics of such transactions. Basic ANTI-TRUST law says\n>that, while you can purchase IBM stocks for the purpose of\n>investing, you can not acquire a large number of those\n>shares with the intent or controlling IBM. You can do so\n>only if you make your intentions CLEAR apriori . Clearly,\n>the Jews who purchased properties from palastenians had some\n>designs, they were not buying a dwelling or a real estate.\n>They were establishing a bridgehead for the European Jews.\n>\n>The palastenians sold their properties to the Jews in the\n>old tradition of arab hospitality. Being a multi-ethnic \/\n>multi-religious society, accepting the jews as neighbours\n>was no different, just another religion. Plus they paid fair\n>market value, etc... They did not know they were victims of\n>an international conspiracy. (I'm not a conspiracy theorist\n>myself, but this one is hard to dismiss).\n>\n\nRight now, I'm just going to address this point.\nWhen the Jewish National Fund bought most of its land,\nIt didn't buy it from the Palestinians themselves, because,\nfor the most part, they were tenant farmers (fallahin),\nliving on land owned by wealthy Arabs in Syria and Lebanon.\nThe JNF offered a premium deal, so the owners took advantage of\nit.   It's called commerce.  The owners, however, made no \nprovisions for those who had worked for them, basically shafting \nthem by selling the land right out from under them.\nThey are to blame, not the Jews.\n\n>\n>> Adam Shostack \t\t\t\t       adam@das.harvard.edu\n>\n>-- \n>Sam Zbib                                         Bell-Northern Research\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Bitnet\/Internet: zbib@bnr.ca                    VOICE:  (613) 763-5889\n>                                                FAX:    (613) 763-2626\n>Surface Mail: Stop 162, P.O.Box 3511, Station C, Ottawa, Canada, K1Y 4H7\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>       My opinions are my own and no one else's\n\n\nAmir\n","300":"From: jae2001@andy.bgsu.edu (Jason Ehas)\nSubject: Re: Giveaways\nOrganization: Home of 1984 NCAA hockey champs\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1qi44l$kqr@access.digex.net>, steveg@cadkey.com (Steve\nGallichio) wrote:\n> \n> \n> John P. Curcio (jpc@philabs.philips.com) responded to my drivel:\n> \n> >steveg@cadkey.com (Steve Gallichio) writes:\n> > \n> >>I still am surprised that no one has tried giving away the goodies at the end\n> >>of the game. The two problems with that, of course, are that you would want\n> >>to make sure the first people in the building would be assured of getting\n> >>them (probably redeemable vouchers), and that the building managers want to\n> >>avoid at all costs delaying people as they leave the building, if, for\n> >>instance, the goodies are given to people as they exit.\n> >\n> >I went to the New Jersey Devils\/Carvel Ice Cream Puck Night (tm) last year to\n> >see the beloved Bruins play.  The pucks were given out at the end of the game.\n> >I could just imagine what would have happened late in the third if the Bruins\n> >were winning....\n> \n> It figures, after I posted the first article, I found out that the Whalers are\n> going to be using coupons for the the giveaway on Friday Night. I believe that\n> is is the \"Some Big Corporation (Probably a Bank) Flying Disk Night.\" I think\n> that we could all see the potential for danger here...\n> \n> >|> All in all, I have seen a whole bunch of giveaways land on the ice, and it\n> >|> never ceases to amuse me. I'm just thankful for the players that no one has\n> >|> yet to sponsor 'Lead Pipe Night' at any arenas...\n> >\n> >That's probably because they couldn't find anyone to sponser it... Maybe USS\n> >could sponser the Pittsburgh Penguins\/US Steel Steel Rod Night-- close enough?\n> \n> Naah, it'd probably bounce off of Jay Caufield.\n> \n> -SG\n\nI was at a Cincinnati Cyclones game a year ago when the local country\nstation sponsored a kazoo giveaway.  After a particularly bad call by the\nunderexperienced ECHL ref, it was Kazoostorm time down on the ice.  I\nthought this was a pathetic display by the fans, but they were rightfully\nunhappy.\n\nJason\n","301":"From: holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Computer Science Department\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.130132.12650@afterlife.ncsc.mil> rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes:\n>In article <bontchev.734981805@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:\n>>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American\n>>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of\n>\n>Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN \n>CONTEXT?  If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.\n>It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals\n>to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles.  \n\nRead the Constitution yourself.  The Second Amendment says the right to bear\narms shall not be infringed, so a well regulated militia may be more easily\nformed.  I have an interpretation of the Second that shows there are no \nqualifications to the right to keep and bear arms.  If you want, I can E-mail\nit to you.  By the way, gun talk belongs in talk.politics.guns.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Holland\n\n","302":"From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu\nSubject: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: Cornell University\nLines: 4\n\nIs it possible to do a \"wheelie\" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n\nMike Terry\n'82 Virago\n","303":"From: nabil@cae.wisc.edu (Nabil Ayoub)\nSubject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nLines: 127\n\nHello src readers,\n\nAgain the misconception that Copts among other Oriental Orthodox\nChurches believe in Monophysitism pops up again. We had a discussion\nabout it a while ago. \n\nIn article <May.6.00.34.58.1993.15426@geneva.rutgers.edu> db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:\n>\n>The proper term for what Mike expresses is Monophysitism.  This was a\n>heresy that was condemned in the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD.  It\n>grew up in reaction to Nestorianism, which held that the Son and Jesus\n>are two different people who happened to be united in the same body\n>temporarily.  Monophysitism is held by the Copts of Egypt and Ethipoia\n>and by the Jacobites of Syria and the Armenian Orthodox. \n\nThen OFM comments :\n\n>\n>\n>[These issues get mighty subtle.  When you see people saying different\n>things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously\n>different things, or whether they are using different terminology.  I\n>don't think there's any question that there is a problem with\n>Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form\n>without a real human nature or will is heretical.  But I'd like to be\n>a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc.  Recent discussions\n>suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from\n>orthodoxy as many had thought. \n\nWith my appreciation to the moderator, I believe that further elaboration\nis needed. This is an excerpt from an article featured in the first issue\nof the Copt-Net Newsletter :\n\nUnder the authority of the Eastern Roman Empire of Constantinople (as opposed\nto the western empire of Rome), the Patriarchs and Popes of Alexandria played\nleading roles in  Christian theology.  They were  invited everywhere to speak\nabout the Christian faith. St. Cyril, Pope of Alexandria, was the head of the\nEcumenical Council which was held in Ephesus in the year 430 A.D. It was said\nthat the bishops of the Church of Alexandria did nothing but spend  all their\ntime in meetings. This leading role, however, did not fare well when politics\nstarted to intermingle with  Church affairs.  It all started when the Emperor\nMarcianus interfered with matters of faith in the Church. The response of St.\nDioscorus, the Pope of Alexandria who was later  exiled, to this interference\nwas clear: \"You have nothing to do with the Church.\"  These political motives\nbecame even more  apparent in Chalcedon  in 451, when the Coptic  Church  was\nunfairly  accused of following  the  teachings of  Eutyches, who believed  in\nmonophysitism. This  doctrine maintains that the  Lord Jesus Christ  has only\none nature, the divine, not two natures, the human as well as the divine.\n\nThe Coptic  Church   has never  believed  in  monophysitism  the way   it was\nportrayed in the Council of Chalcedon!  In  that Council, monophysitism meant\nbelieving in one  nature.  Copts   believe that the Lord   is perfect in  His\ndivinity,  and He   is perfect in  His humanity,  but  His  divinity  and His\nhumanity were united in one nature called \"the nature of the incarnate word\",\nwhich was reiterated by St. Cyril of Alexandria.  Copts, thus, believe in two\nnatures \"human\" and   \"divine\"  that are   united in   one \"without mingling,\nwithout confusion, and without alteration\" (from the  declaration of faith at\nthe end of the Coptic divine liturgy).  These  two  natures \"did not separate\nfor a moment or the twinkling of an eye\" (also from  the declaration of faith\nat the end of the Coptic divine liturgy).\n\nThe  Coptic Church was  misunderstood in the 5th century  at the  Council  of\nChalcedon.  Perhaps the Council  understood   the Church correctly, but  they\nwanted to exile the  Church,   to  isolate it  and to  abolish the  Egyptian,\nindependent Pope. Despite  all of this,  the Coptic Church  has remained very\nstrict  and steadfast in its faith.   Whether it was   a  conspiracy from the\nWestern Churches to exile the Coptic Church  as a  punishment for its refusal\nto be politically influenced, or whether Pope Dioscurus  didn't  quite go the\nextra  mile to  make the  point that  Copts  are not  monophysite, the Coptic\nChurch has always felt a mandate  to reconcile \"semantic\" differences between\nall  Christian  Churches.   This is   aptly  expressed by the  current  117th\nsuccessor  of  St. Mark, Pope Shenouda III:  \"To the  Coptic Church, faith is\nmore  important  than  anything, and   others  must know that  semantics  and\nterminology are of  little importance to us.\"  Throughout this  century,  the\nCoptic Church has played  an important role  in the ecumenical  movement. The\nCoptic Church is one of the founders of the World Council of Churches. It has\nremained a member of that  council  since 1948 A.D.   The Coptic Church is  a\nmember  of the all  African Council of Churches  (AACC)  and the  Middle East\nCouncil of  Churches (MECC).  The Church    plays an  important role   in the\nChristian   movement   by   conducting dialogues   aiming  at  resolving  the\ntheological differences with the  Catholic, Greek Orthodox, Presbyterian, and\nEvangelical Churches.\n\n[...]\n\nAs a final note, the Oriental Orthodox and Eastren Orthodox did sign\na common statement of Christology, in which the heresey of Monophysitism\nwas condemned. So the Coptic Orthodox Church does not believe in\nMonophysitism.\n\nPeace,\n\nNabil\n\n          .-------------------------------------------------------------.\n         \/  Nabil Ayoub                        ____\/   __  \/    ____\/  \/\n        \/  Engine Research Center             \/       \/   \/    \/      \/\n       \/  Dept. of Mechanical Engineering    ___\/    __  \/    \/      \/\n      \/  University of Wisconsin-Madison    \/       \/   |    \/      \/\n     \/  Email:ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu  _____\/ __\/   _|  _____\/  \/\n    '-------------------------------------------------------------'\n\n[As I mentioned in a brief apology, the comment quoted above from me\nis confused.  I appear to say that Nestorius was monophysite.  As\nAndrew Byler correctly stated it, the Nestorians and monophysites were\nactually opposite parties.  The point I was making, which Nabil\nexplains in some detail, is that some groups that have been considered\nheretical probably aren't.\n\nChalcedon was a compromise between two groups, the Alexandrians and\nAntiochenes.  It adopted language that was intended to be acceptable\nto moderates in both camps, while ruling out the extremes.  I agree\nthat there were extremes that were heretical.  However in the course\nof the complex politics of the time, it appears that some people got\nrejected who didn't intend heresy, but simply used language that was\nnot understood or even was mispresented.  And some seem not to have\njointed in the compromise for reasons other than doctrine.  There are\ngroups descended from both of the supposedly heretical camps.  This\nposting discussed the descendants of the Alexandrians.  There are also\na remaining Nestorians.  Like some of the current so-called\nmonophysites, there is reason to believe that the current so-called\nNestorians are not heretical either.  They sheltered Nestorius from\nwhat they saw as unfair treatment, but claim they did not adopt his\nheresies, and in fact seem to follow more moderate representatives of\nthe Antiochene tradition.\n\n--clh]\n","304":"From: gomer+@pitt.edu (Richard J Coyle)\nSubject: Re: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets?\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.201811.28965@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money) writes:\n>The subject line says it all.  Is it terribly difficult to get tickets\n>to Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs?  Would\n>it be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets?\n\nThere are ALWAYS scalpers with tickets outside the Arena.  You might have\nto pay a few bucks extra, but you can always find them.  Look on the\nstreet under the message board, or out on the street in front of the Hyatt,\nor even around Gate 1.  The later you buy them, the less money you'll pay,\nand during the regular season you could usually find some for near face\nvalue or below if you wait until game time.  Might be better to pick them\nup earlier now, though.\n\nrick\n","305":"From: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres)\nSubject: x86 ~= 680x0 ??  (How do they compare?)\nOrganization: FidoNet node 1:2603\/204 - Not Even Odd, Forest Hills NY\nLines: 26\n\nI believe it goes or will go:\n680060\npowerPC\nPentium\n680040\n486\n680030\n386\n680020\n286=680000\n\nIn a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was\n slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed\n for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie\n quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so.\n    Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system\n at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the\n speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think\n it laps the pentium.\n\npro-life pro-women\n\n\n--  \n=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=\n Michael Ameres - Internet: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org\n","306":"From: mabbot@stellenbos.csir.co.za (Mike Abbot)\nSubject: High level language compilers for uControllers ?\nArticle-I.D.: stellenb.mabbot.30.0\nOrganization: CSIR\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 146.64.23.16\nX-Disclaimer: None of the opions expressed herein are the official\nX-Disclaimer: opinions of the CSIR or any of its subsidiaries.\nX-Disclaimer: **  So don't freak out at _us_ about anything  **\n\nHowdy chaps\n\nHas anybody got any pointers to good C, Pascal, etc compilers for \nmicrocontrollers, shareware or otherwise ?\n\nMy specific need is for 8051 C, but if the responses are many and varied I \nwill post a summary.\n\nCheers\nMike\n\n\nMike Abbott\tmabbot@stellenbos.csir.co.za\nCape Town\tmabbot@fred.csir.co.za\nSouth Africa\n","307":"From: timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons)\nSubject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics\nLines: 32\n\n\nMaddi Hausmann chirps:\n\n>timmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: >\n\n>>First of all, you seem to be a reasonable guy.  Why not try to be more >honest\n>>and include my sentence afterwards that\n\n>Honest, it just ended like that, I swear!\n\nThat's nice.\n\n>Hmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and\n>rude...coming into newsgroup with huge chip on shoulder...calls\n>people names and then makes nice...whirrr...click...whirrr\n\nYou forgot the third equality...whirrr...click...whirrr...see below...\n\n>Whirr click whirr...Frank O'Dwyer might also be contained\n>in that shell...pop stack to determine...whirr...click..whirr\n\n>\"Killfile\" Keith Allen Schneider = Frank \"Closet Theist\" O'Dwyer = ...\n\n= Maddi \"The Mad Sound-O-Geek\" Hausmann\n\n...whirrr...click...whirrr\n\n--\nBake Timmons, III\n\n-- \"...there's nothing higher, stronger, more wholesome and more useful in life\nthan some good memory...\" -- Alyosha in Brothers Karamazov (Dostoevsky)\n","308":"From: singg@alf.uib.no (Kurt George Gjerde)\nSubject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse\/xor)\nOrganization: University of Bergen, Norway\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.191531.15865@news.media.mit.edu>, dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes:\n\n  :\n  :\n\n|>    XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor);\n|>    XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex);\n|> \n|> Then to draw I do:\n|> \n|>    XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2);\n|>    XFlush( myDisplay);\n|> \n|> And when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do:\n|> \n|>    XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy);\n|> \n|> \n|> What I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of\n|> whatever I'm drawing over.  Instead what happens is I get white lines.  If\n|> the lines are over a white background - nothing shows up.  If the lines are\n|> over a black area - nothing shows up!  It's very strange.  But the GXxor\n|> function seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and\n|> redraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image).\n|> \n|> Any suggestions what I'm doing wrong?\n|> \n|> david\n\n\n   Try change the GXxor to GXequiv.  I have to do this for programs that\n   are to run on NCD terminals (on Sun terminals I have to change it\n   back to GXxor)...\n\n\nKurt.\n","309":"From: dashley@wyvern.wyvern.com (Doug Ashley)\nSubject: Re: SE rom\nOrganization: wyvern.com\nLines: 31\n\nseanmcd@ac.dal.ca writes:\n\n>In article <wgwC5pDL4.43y@netcom.com>, wgw@netcom.com (William G. Wright) writes:\n>> \n>> \tAnyway, I was hoping someone knowledgeable\n>> about Mac internals could set me straight: is it simply\n>> impossible for a mac SE to print grayscale, or could\n>> someone armed with enough info and a little pro-\n>> gramming experience cook something up that would\n>> supplement the ROM's capabilities?\n \t\n>To use the grayscale features, I believe you need a Mac equipped\n>with colour quickdraw. I was told this somewhere or other, but it's\n>not mentioned in \"Apple Facts\" (guide for apple sellers), in the\n>press release or in the technical specs.\n\n>Sean \n\nI think you will find that the Mac SE can PRINT grayscale images, loaded\nwith the proper software. However, the Mac SE cannot DISPLAY grayscale on\nits screen or any attached video because that ability is not in the ROM.\n\nSo, while you might be able to PRINT grayscale, you'd have a hard time\nSEEING the grayscale image you want to print.\n\nDoug\n-- \nThis Signature Under Construction\n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\nWyvern Technologies | Tidewater's Premier Online Information System\n                    | (804) 627-1818, login guest, password guest to register\n","310":"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)\nSubject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby?\nLines: 31\nOrganization: Walla Walla College\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <kmr4.1572.734847158@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n>From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\n>Subject: Re: who are we to judge, Bobby?\n>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:12:38 GMT\n>\n>(S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n>>(TAMMY R HEALY) writes:\n>>>I would like to take the liberty to quote from a Christian writer named \n>>>Ellen G. White.  I hope that what she said will help you to edit your \n>>>remarks in this group in the future.\n>>>\n>>>\"Do not set yourself as a standard.  Do not make your opinions, your views \n>>>of duty, your interpretations of scripture, a criterion for others and in \n>>>your heart condemn them if they do not come up to your ideal.\"\n>>>                         Thoughts Fromthe Mount of Blessing p. 124\n>>\n>>Point?\n>\n>\tPoint: you have taken it upon yourself to judge others; when only \n>God is the true judge.\n>\n>---\n>\n>   Only when the Sun starts to orbit the Earth will I accept the Bible. \n>        \n>\nI agree totally with you!  Amen!  You stated it better and in less world \nthan I did.\n\nTammy\n\n","311":"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter)\nSubject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA\nLines: 23\n\njon@atlas.MITRE.org (J. E. Shum) writes:\n> \n> In article <C5G1su.K27@wolves.Durham.NC.US>, wolfe@wolves.Durham.NC.US (G. Wo\n> > A sad day for civil rights.  But typical of NC (unfortunately.)\n> \n> If it is typical for the principle of reasonable doubt to be upheld in\n> North Carolina, then I would count that in the state's favor. \n> \nReasonable doubt dates back to Human Rights. We are now in the time of\nCivil Rights. Civil Rights are issued by the State with whatever strings\nattached they choose as the Grantor of said rights. And if that means that \nverdicts are determined by the needs of the state rather than by guilt or \ninnocence in a traditional sense, so be it. Being subjective rather than \nobjective may make it harder to anticipate what is right, and you may be \nsacrificed for being wrong inadvertantly once in a while, but that really is a \nsmall price to pay for the common good don't you think?\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\ncutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris)     All jobs are easy \n                                     to the person who\n                                     doesn't have to do them.\n                                               Holt's law\n","312":"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)\nSubject: Happy Birthday Israel!\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 2\n\nIsrael - Happy 45th Birthday!\n\n","313":"From: ncmoore2@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Nathan Moore)\nSubject: Re: Bernoulli Drives\/Disks...\nOrganization: JHU\/Applied Physics Laboratory\nLines: 22\n\nnilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel) writes:\n\n>I am looking for Bernoulli removable tapes for the 20\/20 drive..\n\n>Don't laugh ... I am serious...\n\n>If you have any 20 MB tapes lying around that you would like to get rid of,\n>please mail me ... \n\n>-- Nilay Patel\n>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu\n\nYou do mean disks, don't you, not tapes?  You forgot to say whether you\nwere looking for the old 8\" or the newer 5.25\".\n\nSorry, just use them at work and don't think they would appreciate it.\n\n-- \nNathan C. Moore\nThe Johns Hopkins University \/ Applied Physics Laboratory\nncmoore2@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu      CIS: 70702,1576\nPlease note above address for email replies.\n","314":"From: robie@umbc.edu (Mr. William Robie)\nSubject: IBM PC Convertible Parts 4-Sale\nOrganization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: umbc4.umbc.edu\nX-Auth-User: robie\n\nI have some used, but working, parts available for the original IBM\nlaptop - the PC Convertible.  If you have one of these things, and\nstill are using it, you may have found out that IBM wants OUTRAGEOUS\nprices for parts.  I built up a supply of enough parts to keep mine\ngoing for a few years, and will be willing to part with the rest.\n\nBasically, I have all the standard parts EXCEPT:\n\nMotherboard\nBattery\nPower Supply\n\nI've got a few of the accessories, too - just ask.\n\nThese are in very limited supply, however.  I've basically just cannibalized\na couple of old machines.\n\nIf you are interested, please e-mail me.\n\nNote: For those who want to convince themselves that they are somehow\nsuperior because they have newer and better machines, or who want to\ninform me that these are \"worthless junk,\" save your effort.  I'll\njust delete the note.  Those of us who bought these machines when they first\ncame out still find them useful for word processing, etc..  I'm saving\nmine as a future antique.\n\n","315":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\n\nmam@mouse.cmhnet.org (Mike McAngus) writes:\n\n>Let me see if I understand what you are saying.  In order to talk \n>knowledgeably about religion, Atheists must first have been so immersed \n>in a religion that only the rare individual could have left.  \n\nNo, you don't understand.  I said that I don't think people can discuss\nthe subjective merits of religion objectively.  This should be obvious.\nPeople here have said that everyone would be better off without religion,\nbut this almost certainly isn't true.\n\n>>But really, are you threatened by the motto, or by the people that use it?\n>The motto is a tool.  Let's try to take away the tool.\n\nBut, guns and axes are tools, both of which have been used for murder.\nShould both be taken away?  That is to say, I don't think motto misuse\nwarrants its removal.  At least not in this case.\n\nkeith\n","316":"From: susan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu (Susan Soric)\nSubject: Wanted: Moltmann's God in Creation\nOrganization: Not important\nLines: 15\n\nI'm greatly in need of Jurgen\nMoltmann's book God in Creation:\nAn Ecological Doctrine of Creation.\n\nIf you have a copy you're willing to\npart with, I'd love to hear from you\nsoon.  You may call me at 312-702-\n8367 or e-mail me.\n\nThanks.\n\n==========================================================================================\nSusan Soric\nIndependent agent\nsusan_soric@upubs.uchicago.edu\n","317":"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nSubject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 11\nReply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, shades@sorinc.cutler.com (Darrin A. Hyrup) says:\n\n>They [Thelema Lodge] don't have an internet address, but they do have a CIS\n>address which can be reached via uucp\/internet.  It is 72105,1351 so I guess\n>that would be '72105.1351@cis.com' or something like that.\n>\n\t\t......@compuserve.com\n\nTony\n\n","318":"From: vince@sscl.uwo.ca\nSubject: Re: Early BBDDD Returns?\nOrganization: Social Science Computing Laboratory\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxi.sscl.uwo.ca\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.073051.9160@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (Adam Levin) writes:\n> Just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the\n> BB DDD this year. ...\n> \n> A concerned fan of the BB DDD,\n\nI am hoping to produce the first update of the BB DDD this week;\nplease send info about the most significant (longest, most critical,\netc.) home run that you have seen yet this season.\n\nVince.\n","319":"From: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)\nSubject: Re: Albert Sabin\nReply-To: kv07@IASTATE.EDU (Warren Vonroeschlaub)\nOrganization: Ministry of Silly Walks\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com\n(Bill Rawlins) writes:\n>       Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring\n>        to the New Testament.  Please detail your complaints or e-mail if\n>        you don't want to post.  First-century Greek is well-known and\n>        well-understood.  Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian,\n>        who also wrote of Jesus?  In addition, the four gospel accounts\n>        are very much in harmony.  \n\n  Bill, I find it rather remarkable that you managed to zero in on what is\nprobably the weakest evidence.\n\n  What is probably the most convincing is the anti-Christian literature put out\nby the Jewish councils in the second century.  There are enormous quantities of\ndetailed arguments against Christianity, many of the arguments still being used\ntoday.  Despite volumes of tracts attacking Christianity, not one denies the\nexistance of Jesus, only of his activities.\n\n  I find this considerably more compelling than Josephus or the harmony of the\ngospels (especially considering that Matthew and Luke probably used Mark as a\nsource).\n\n |  __L__\n-|-  ___  Warren Kurt vonRoeschlaub\n |  | o | kv07@iastate.edu\n |\/ `---' Iowa State University\n\/|   ___  Math Department\n |  |___| 400 Carver Hall\n |  |___| Ames, IA  50011\n J  _____\n","320":"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman)\nSubject: Compiling help\nOrganization: ITC\/UVA Community Access UNIX\/Internet Project\nLines: 12\n\nI'd like to compile X11r5 on a Sony NWS-1750 running NEWS 4.1c.  The\nX distribution has support for this config, and the release notes say\nit has been tested on the machine.  BUT, also in the release notes,\nnothing from Sony is listed under the supported servers.  What am I\nsupposed to use for my r5 X server then?  How can the OS be supported,\nbut not the hardware? Is there something in the r4 binaries that can\nbe used as the r5 server? These may seem like silly questions, but\nI'm *really* confused.\n-- \nmike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu \n\n\"I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class.\" -Unknown\n","321":"From: naomi@rock.concert.net (Naomi T Courter)\nSubject: Endometriosis\nOrganization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX\nLines: 15\n\n\ncan anyone give me more information regarding endometriosis?   i heard\nit's a very common disease among women and if anyone can provide names\nof a specialist\/surgeon in  the north carolina research triangle  park\narea (raleigh\/durham\/chapel  hill) who is familiar with the condition,\ni would really appreciate it.\n\nthanks. \n\n--Naomi\n-- \nNaomi L.T. Courter\nNetwork Services Specialist\nMCNC - Center for Communications\nCONCERT Network \n","322":"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: HST Servicing Mission Scheduled for 11 Days\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1rd1g0$ckb@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n>How will said re-boost be done?\n>Grapple, HST,  stow it in Cargo bay,  do OMS burn to high altitude,  \n>unstow  HST,   repair  gyros,  costar install,  fix solar arrays,\n>then return to earth?\n\nActually, the reboost will probably be done last, so that there is a fuel\nreserve during the EVAs (in case they have to chase down an adrift\nastronaut or something like that).  But yes, you've got the idea -- the\nreboost is done by taking the whole shuttle up.\n\n>My guess is  why  bother with  usingthe shuttle to reboost?\n>why not  grapple,  do all said fixes,   bolt a small  liquid  fueled\n>thruster module  to  HST,   then let it make the re-boost...\n\nSomebody has to build that thruster module; it's not an off-the-shelf\nitem.  Nor is it a trivial piece of hardware, since it has to include\nattitude control (HST's own is not strong enough to compensate for things\nlike thruster imbalance), guidance (there is no provision to feed gyro\ndata from HST's own gyros to an external device), and separation (you\ndon't want it left attached afterward, if only to avoid possible\ncontamination after the telescope lid is opened again).  You also get\nto worry about whether the lid is going to open after the reboost is\ndone and HST is inaccessible to the shuttle (the lid stays closed for\nthe duration of all of this to prevent mirror contamination from\nthrusters and the like).\n\nThe original plan was to use the Orbital Maneuvering Vehicle to do the\nreboost.  The OMV was planned to be a sort of small space tug, well\nsuited to precisely this sort of job.  Unfortunately, it was costing\na lot to develop and the list of definitely-known applications was\nrelatively short, so it got cancelled.\n-- \nSVR4 resembles a high-speed collision   | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\nbetween SVR3 and SunOS.    - Dick Dunn  |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n","323":"From: Derek_Juntunen@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Derek Juntunen)\nSubject: Who will be #1 pick in NHL draft?\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch\nLines: 8\n\nI recently bought a pack of prospect hockey cards which had various\nplayers that were coming into the NHL. I got this particular card of\na Russian named Viktor Kozlov. It says \"many scouts believe he will\nbe the #1 pick in 1993\". Another guy is quoted as saying \"He's as \ngood as Mario Lemieux\". Anyone know who this guy is?????\n\n-- Via DLG Pro v0.995\n\n","324":"From: lemons@cadsys.enet.dec.com\nSubject: Xremote into X11R6?\nReply-To: lemons@cadsys.enet.dec.com ()\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nLines: 12\nX-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18\n\n\nHi!\n\nI remember reading (or hallucinating) that NCD's PC-Xremote functionality had \nbeen given, by NCD, to MIT for inclusion in X11R6.  Is this true?  If so,\n(set mode\/cheap) can I just wait for X11R6 to get compressed serial line\nX server support?\n\nThanks!\n\nTerry Lemons\nDigital Equipment Corporation\n","325":"From: throopw%sheol@concert.net\nSubject: Re: Clipper considered harmful\nLines: 59\n\n: From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)\n: Message-ID: <1r24us$oeh@agate.berkeley.edu>\n: It seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications\n: would be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future\n: probable cause arises and a warrant is obtained.\n\nI think it is unlikely that data like this could be used in court.\nCurrently LEAs can install wiretaps on large numbers of phones, record\ncalls without listening to them, and then post-facto obtain warrants\nand listen to calls after probable cause is established.  But this\nstrategy wouldn't get the stuff admitted in court.  (At least, not\nin the near term.)\n\nIn other words, near as I can tell, the thing that makes such evidence\ninadmissable is the interception without a warrant, not the attempt to\ninterpret what was intercepted without a warrant.  I'd be surprised\nthat archiving data without consent would be interpreted as anything\nbut analogous to a wiretap by the courts.\n\nNote that that doesn't mean I think it won't be done if technically\nfeasible.  Just as I'm sure many wiretaps are done now without\nwarrants, just to fish for avenues to investigate.  So in the future,\nstart surveilance, start archiving data, trump up some probable cause,\ndecrypt post-facto after the warrant is in hand, and the investigation\ngets a boost from data that, sadly, won't ever be presented to a jury.\n\nWhile I'm posting...  for an interesting cautionary tale projecting this\narchiving scenario to extremes, read \"Lacey and his Friends\", a\ncollection of sf stories by David Drake.  The US starts down the\nslippery slope by archiving *everyghing*.  But don't worry folks, it's\nstored in a secure repository where nobody but LEAs with warrants can\nget to it.  And by the way, we'll be installing cameras on all major\nstreets.  Hey, this is nothing new, we already have cameras in banks and\nteller machines, don't we?\n\nAnd then we'll pass laws requiring cameras covering *all* public\nplaces.  Then in some private places.  Then we'll make it a crime ever\nto be out of range of a camera, except in legally licensed privacy\ncubicles.  Only alone.  And with a thorough body search before and\nafter.  But, see, there's still a right to privacy.  We haven't\ncurtailed any rights, not really.  And just think how much easier it'd\nbe to solve crimes in such a situation: just obtain a warrant, put on a\nVR helmet and take a walk down memory lane.\n\nAnd hey, nobody'll be tracking *you* or *me*, no need to be self-conscious.\n\nAfter all, if you're not doing anything illegal...\n\nFunny, though.  While speeding and the radar detector industry became\npretty much a thing of the past, somehow all this didn't elminate all\ncrime in the story.  And somehow, politicians got exemptions on grounds\nof national security, and rich corporations got exemptions for their\nexecs on grounds of industrial espionage and the preservation of\ncompetition.  And not everybody was exactly happy with the system.  \nI can't imagine why.\n\n--\nWayne Throop   throopw%sheol@concert.net\n               throop%aurgate@concert.net\n","326":"From: tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (andrew.r.tripp)\nSubject: Airline Tickets -- O'Hare->Tuscon\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nKeywords: Tickets - O'Hare->Tucson Round Tripp\nLines: 29\n\n\tTwo Round-Trip Tickets\n\tO'Hare --> Tuscon\n\tAmerican Airlines\n\tGood thru November\n  No Reasonable Offer Refused, But lets start at\n  $750 for both (Paid $925)\n\n\tHopefully someone can use these as I\nhave no use for them, and don't know a  way \nto get my moneys worth without going to\nTuscon again!  `\n\n\tE-Mail only at this time\n\n\t tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com\n\n\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\n            Now why would AT&T or Butler Services \n        have anything to do with my warped ramblings?!\n\nCrabby-Old-Fart Mechanical\/PCB Designer w\/buku CAD background,\n       & still working on BSCS is looking for work! \n         Wants to take a shot at ASIC\/IC Layout!!\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------\n      A.R.Tripp - a.k.a. tripper@cbnewsk.cb.att.com\n--------------------------------------------------------------\n\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\n\n","327":"From: pnelson@minnow.rutgers.edu (warmonger)\nSubject: South Jersey Condo\nKeywords: forsale condo jersey\nArticle-I.D.: minnow.Apr.6.14.09.43.1993.15566\nOrganization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.\nLines: 37\n\n\nI have recently graduated and am looking to move into a bigger house,\nleaving me with a condo to sell...  It was originally listed at\n59,000, but is now listed at $54,900.  The following is a list of\nfeatures.\n\nMaster Bedroom \t14x11\nBedroom\t\t11x10\nLiving Room\t16x13\nDining Room\t10x9\nKitchen\t\t9x11 w\/ extra cabinets\n1 Full \/ Modern Bathroom\nFull wtw carpeting \/new\/ excluding bath, Oil hot water heating\n\/converting to gas this summer\/, central air, condo fee $183\/mo\nINCLUDING heat; hot water; landscaping; pool; tennis courts.  \n\nIn addition: washer, dryer \/both in condo\/, refrigerator, dishwasher,\n2 ceiling fans, all window treatments \/I don't understand why I can't\ncall them curtains...\/, and a mantle!\n\nLarge storage room in private basement, plenty of undesignated\nparking.\n\nIf you'd like to free me for the bliss of regular homeownership,\nplease call Kathleen Sullivan at the Rohrer&Sayers Real Estate Agency:\n609-546-0004.  She'll arrange for a showing off.\n\nNow for that disclaimer caca:  Subject to errors, changes, ommissions,\nwithdrawls, and sales without notice.\n\nThis posting is not to benefit or at the request of any commercial\nagency.  I simply want out.  Flames can be sent to \/dev\/null\n\nThanks,\npnelson@clam.rutgers.edu\nPaul G. Nelson\nSystems Hardware Integration Technician\n","328":"From: joachim@kih.no (joachim lous)\nSubject: Re: XV for MS-DOS !!!\nOrganization: Kongsberg Ingeniorhogskole\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: samson.kih.no\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nNOE-MAILADDRESS@eicn.etna.ch wrote:\n> I'm sorry for...\n\n>     1)  The late of the answer but I couldn't find xv221 for msdos 'cause \n> \tI forgot the address...but I've retrieve it..\n\n>     2)  Posting this answer here in comp.graphics 'cause I can't use e-mail,\n>    ^^^  not yet....\n\n>    2) My bad english 'cause I'm a Swiss and my language is french....\n    ^^^\nIf french is your language, try counting in french in stead, maybe\nit will work better.... :-)\n\n    _______________________________\n   \/ _ L*   \/  _  \/ .    \/      _  \/_  \"One thing is for sure: The sheep\n  \/  _)    \/()(\/(\/)\/\/)) \/_ ()(\/_) \/ \/  Is NOT a creature of the earth.\"\n \/ \\_)~  (\/ Joachim@kih.no       \/ \/     \n\/_______________________________\/ \/ -The back-masking on 'Haaden II'\n \/_______________________________\/  from 'Exposure' by Robert Fripp.\n","329":"From: kxgst1@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert)\nSubject: Re: Can't Breathe\nArticle-I.D.: blue.7936\nLines: 23\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nDavid Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu) wrote:\n: [reply to ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)]\n:  \n: >While you're right that the S vertebrae are attached to each other,\n: >the sacrum, to my knowledge, *can* be adjusted either directly, or\n: >by applying pressure on the pubic bone...\n:  \n: Ron, you're an endless source of misinformation!  There ARE no sacral\n: vertebrae.  There is a bone called the sacrum at the end of the spine.\n: It is a single, solid bone except in a few patients who have a\n: lumbarized S1 as a normal variant.  How do you adjust a solid bone,\n: break it?  No, don't tell me, I don't want to know.\n:  \nOh come now, surely you know he only meant to measure the flow of\nelectromagnetic energy about the sacrum and then adjust these flows\nwith a crystal of chromium applied to the right great toe.  Don't\nyou know anything?\n\n--\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n=  Kenneth Gilbert              __|__        University of Pittsburgh   =\n=  General Internal Medicine      |      \"...dammit, not a programmer!  =\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n","330":"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: your service\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com\n\n\nJason Chen writes:\n> Now here is a new one: vomiting. My guess is that MSG becomes the number one\n> suspect of any problem. In this case. it might be just food poisoning. But\n> if you heard things about MSG, you may think it must be it.\n\n----------\n\nYeah, it might, if you only read the part you quoted.  You somehow left \nout the part about \"we all ate the same thing.\"  Changes things a bit, eh?\n\nYou complain that people blame MSG automatically, since it's an unknown and\ntherefore must be the cause.  It is equally (if not more) unreasonable to\ndefend it, automatically assuming that it CAN'T be the culprit.\n\nPepper makes me sneeze.  If it doesn't affect you the same way, fine.\nJust don't tell me I'm wrong for saying so.\n\nThese people aren't condemning Chinese food, Mr. Chen - just one of its \n(optional) ingredients.  Try not to take it so personally.\n","331":"From: walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh)\nSubject: Re: Age of Consent == Child Molestation\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 20\n\nFrom article <C4zLJ8.Bun@queernet.org>, by rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese):\n> In article <15148@optilink.COM> walsh@optilink.COM (Mark Walsh) writes:\n\n#>NAMBLA's presence in the SF Gay Pride Parade says quite a bit.\n#>It says that either the parade organizers want to show support\n#>for NAMBLA, or they themselves have a fundamental misunderstanding\n#>of their rights and responsibilities.  I would really, really like\n#>to believe the latter, but I would need some help to do so.\n\n> There are dozens of examples of the latter; NAMBLA is an especially\n> glaring one, but hardly the only one.\n\nPerhaps, though the exclusion of the Gay Perotistas in the\nSF Gay Pride Parade would make me think that they had some\nclue in this regard.  Dozens of examples?  I don't know...\n-- \nMark Walsh (walsh@optilink) -- UUCP: uunet!optilink!walsh\nAmateur Radio: KM6XU@WX3K -- AOL: BigCookie@aol.com -- USCF: L10861\n\"What, me worry?\" - William M. Gaines, 1922-1992\n\"I'm gonna crush you!\" - Andre the Giant, 1946-1993\n","332":"From: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Deriving Pleasure from Death\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 22\n\n\nWith regards to my condemnation of Marc's ridiculous attacks on the\nAmerican Department of Justice, and further attacks on Jews, to\nanyone who took offense to my calling Marc stupid, I\napologize for pointing out the obvious.  It was a waste of the\nNet's time.  I hope, though, that most American citizens have\nthe basic knowlege of the structure of American government to\nunderstand the relationship between the Justice Department\nas a part of the Executive Branch, and the Courts, which\nare of the Judicial Branch.  \nMarc's ignorance of basic civic knowlege underscores his\ninability to comprehend and interpret foreign affairs.  \n\n\nPeace,\nPete\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","333":"From: hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman)\nSubject: Re: Need longer filenames\nOrganization: Mind's Eye, Inc.\nLines: 18\nX-Mailer: TMail version 1.13\n\nIn <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley)  wrote:\n> \n> \n> Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than\n> the standard 8.3 format.  If so please email me.\n\nplease e-mail me too,\n\nthanks\n\n...howard\nhfeldman@infoserv.com\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n\nHoward Feldman\nMind's Eye, Inc.\n","334":"From: luriem@alleg.edu The Liberalizer (Michael Lurie)\nSubject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER\nArticle-I.D.: alleg.1993Apr6.210350.2865\nOrganization: Allegheny College\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <002251w.5.734117130@axe.acadiau.ca> 002251w@axe.acadiau.ca  \n(JASON WALTER WORKS) writes:\n>     The N.Y.Yankees, are now one game closer to the A.L.East pennant.   \nThey \n> clobbered Cleveland, 9-1, on a fine pitching performance by Key, and two \n> homeruns by Tartabull(first M.L.baseball to go out this season), and a  \nthree \n> run homer by Nokes.  For all of you who didn't pick Boggs in your pools, \n> tough break, he had a couple hits, and drove in a couple runs(with many  \nmore \n> to follow).  The Yanks beat an up and coming team of youngsters in the \n> Indians.  The Yankees only need to win 95 more games to get the  \ndivision.\n>  GO YANKS., Mattingly for g.glove, and MVP, and Abbot for Cy Young.\n> \n>                                              ---> jason.\n\nJason, I am going to a yankee game wed night at cleveland stadium. I am so  \nhappy.\n\n\nBut Cleveland is a very bad team who lost severalrs. They were an up and  \ncoming team, now they are just a sad excuse for a better average.\n\n\n\nABBOT WILL NOT WIN THE CY.!!!!!! MELIDO PEREZ WILL. as bold a prediction  \nas they come., Well herOT be in last place by the end of the season. Mike  \nlurie Speaks, and the world listens.\n","335":"From: cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk (Michael C Davis)\nSubject: Love Europe\nOrganization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK\nLines: 4\n\nAre any readers of s.r.c. going to the Love Europe congress in Germany this\nJuly?\n-- \nMichael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk)\n","336":"From: saz@hook.corp.mot.com (Scott Zabolotzky)\nSubject: .GIF to .BMP\nOrganization: Motorola, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nNntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.122.164\nLines: 12\n\n\nDoes anybody have any idea where I could find a program that can\nconvert a .GIF image into a .BMP image suitable for a Windows \nwallpaper (i.e. 256 colors).  Hopefully there's something out there\nI can get from an ftp site somewhere...\n\nThanks in advance...\n\nScott\n\n\n\n","337":"From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)\nSubject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nReply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: NOT\nLines: 9\n\nxlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes:\n]Is it possible to do a \"wheelie\" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n\nyes.\n\n-- \nJoe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org\nAustin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org\nTexas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org\n","338":"Subject: Cubs mailing list\nFrom: andrew@dark.side.of.the.moon.uoknor.edu (Chihuahua Charlie)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: OU - Academic User Services\nNntp-Posting-Host: loopback.uoknor.edu\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    Lines: 14\nLines: 14\n\n\n\tIs there anyone out there running a Chicago National\n\tLeague Ballclub list?  If so, please send me information\n\ton it to...\n\t\t\tandrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu\n\n\tThanks!\n\n|\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/|\n|O|  _    |  Chihuahua Charlie              |  OU is not responsible   |O|\n|O| | |   |  Academic User Services         |  for anything anywhere,  |O|\n|O| ||||  |  The University of Oklahoma     |  except for that one     |O|\n|O|  |_|  |  andrew@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu |  incident where 200...   |O|\n|O|____________________________________________________________________|O|\n","339":"From: charles@trintex.uucp (Charles Emmons)\nSubject: Version control for MAC and PC LAN\nOrganization: Prodigy Services Co.\nLines: 28\n\nWe have a LAN where we are doing development on product for multiple platforms. \nFor the moment we are only working on MAC and DOS\/Windows. The department has   \nalways used sneaker net to transport files to the MAC, since it requires a      \nfilter to strip out the <LF> characters.                                        \n\nUntil recently no one concidered using any version control to mediate, and as   \na result, the 5 programmers spent a great deal of time merging files together   \nat the end of each week so that a new system could be build. We are now trying  \nto streamline this process, but are hampered by the lack of software that will  \nallow us to share files across PC and MAC platforms.                            \n\nI understand that PVCS used to do this, but that they no longer support the MAC \nproduct (anyone know why ??  Polytron ?).                                       \n\nI have seen people ask about development in multiple platforms, so I assume that\nours is not a new problem.  Who has had to deal with it ?  What solutions have  \nyou come up with?                                                               \n\nthanks in advance for any and all suggestions via posting or EMAIL. If there are\nenough EMAIL responses then I will post a synopsis of the knowledge.            \n\n-Charles Emmons                                                                 \n\n-- \n Charles Emmons        | charles@trintex.uucp         | These opinions are\n Prodigy Services Co.  | charles%trintex@uunet.uu.net | mine alone, unless\n White Plains NY 10601 | Voice 914-993-8856           | you would like to\n PRODIGY ID - KJRD82A  | FAX   914-993-8659           | share them.\n","340":"From: blowfish@leo.unm.edu (rON.)\nSubject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCR\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: leo.unm.edu\n\nIn article <1pr3d3$doh@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> ST002649@brownvm.brown.edu (Alex Gottschalk) writes:\n>>>Well, I *WILL* do the math, and I get:  (6^6)^6=2,189,739,336\n>>>This mean anything to anyone?  :^)\n>5*1=5 thus fitting in neatly with something else.\n\nOf course, 2+1+8+9+7+3+9+3+3+6 = 51, which, quite obviously is 23+23+5...\nr.\n","341":"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids\nArticle-I.D.: access.1psghn$s7r\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <C4t3K3.498@cck.coventry.ac.uk> enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist) writes:\n|\n|I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump\n|the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes.\n|So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on \n|hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times\n|as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas\n|and liquid comparision of course!\n\n\nCould you use some sort of mechanical chest compression as an aid.\nSorta like the portable Iron Lung?   Put some sort of flex tubing\naround the 'aquanauts' chest.  Cyclically compress it  and it will\npush enough on the chest wall to support breathing?????\n\nYou'd have to trust your breather,  but in space, you have to trust\nyour suit anyway.\n\npat\n","342":"From: wilie.wilson@analog.com ( willie wilson )\nSubject: Experiences of DESQview\/X? \nReply-To: willie.wilson@analog.com\nOrganization: Analog Devices B.V., Limerick, IRELAND\nLines: 19\n\nI need to have PCs and SPARCstations run the same application ( namely\nMicroSoft Project ). The original system ran on the PC. Now it needs to\nbe expanded to allow UNIX users to work with the application. The\ncurrent proposal is to use DESQview\/X as a display server for the\napplication.\n\nI would like to know your experiences with using DESQview\/X to run an\napplication on a PC and displaying on a SPARCstation. I've heard that\nthe network traffic is slow.\n\nReplies only by e-mail please.\n\nThanks, in advance.\n---\n               ,__o\n             _-\\_<,\n...Willie   (*)\/'(*)\nwillie.wilson@analog.com\n\n","343":"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why?\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.210712.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n>> So how much would it cost as a private venture, assuming you could talk the\n>> U.S. government into leasing you a couple of pads in Florida? \n>\n>Why must it be a US Government Space Launch Pad? Directly I mean...\n\nIn fact, you probably want to avoid US Government anything for such a\nproject.  The pricetag is invariably too high, either in money or in\nhassles.\n\nThe important thing to realize here is that the big cost of getting to\nthe Moon is getting into low Earth orbit.  Everything else is practically\ndown in the noise.  The only part of getting to the Moon that poses any\nnew problems, beyond what you face in low orbit, is the last 10km --\nthe actual landing -- and that is not immensely difficult.  Of course,\nyou *can* spend sagadollars (saga- is the metric prefix for beelyuns\nand beelyuns) on things other than the launches, but you don't have to.\n\nThe major component of any realistic plan to go to the Moon cheaply (for\nmore than a brief visit, at least) is low-cost transport to Earth orbit.\nFor what it costs to launch one Shuttle or two Titan IVs, you can develop\na new launch system that will be considerably cheaper.  (Delta Clipper\nmight be a bit more expensive than this, perhaps, but there are less\nambitious ways of bringing costs down quite a bit.)  Any plan for doing\nsustained lunar exploration using existing launch systems is wasting\nmoney in a big way.\n\nGiven this, questions like whose launch facilities you use are *not* a\nminor detail; they are very important to the cost of the launches, which\ndominates the cost of the project.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n                    - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n","344":"From: mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price)\nSubject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK\nOrganization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York\nLines: 38\n\nIn <Apr.20.03.02.03.1993.3788@geneva.rutgers.edu> mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes:\n[\">\"= Mark, \">>\"= mp]\n\n>>  I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT\/SIL.  I thought they'd\n>>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in\n>>ideological manipulation and cultural interference\n\n>Good heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two \n>small children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive \n>conditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their \n>could have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible \n>studies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding \n>faith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY*\n\n    I am sorry you find these charges amusing, Mark. I understand your\nfrustration though--it can be kind of scary to find your assumptions\nchallenged. Some of the specific cultural interference to which I refer\nincludes linguistic manipulation, for instance, their Tzotzil-Spanish\ndictionary removed both Spanish and Tzotzil words for concepts which are\nthreatening to the ruling ideology, e.g., class, conquer, exploitation,\nrepression, revolution, and described words which can express\nideological concepts in examples like \"Boss--the boss is good. He treats\nus well and pays us a good wage.\" As some of my students would say,\n\"NOT!\"  \n     Your tone implies that you are unlikely to believe me--indeed, why\nshould you? If you are interested enough to do some further research\nthough, and you sound as if you are, here are some references for you.\n \nStoll, David. _Fishers of Men or Founders of Empire? The Wycliffe Bible\nTranslators in Latin America_.\n_Sectas y Religiosidad en America Latina_.\n_Los Angeles Times_, Dec. 11. 1977.\n_Latin America Press_, May 19, 1983.\n_Washington Times_, June 22, 1984.\n\n     Happy hunting.\n\n                                                                   mp\n","345":"From: gaf5@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Gail A. Fullman)\nSubject: Re: PHILLIES SIGN MARK DAVIS\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 19\n\n\n>> Does that mean they have to pay his salary?  Didn't they wait\n>> for him to clear waivers?  If not, why not?\n>>\nDavis will be paid by three clubs this year, I think the Phils are\nresponsbible for about $600,000 or so.  They didn't wait for him to clear\nwaivers as three other clubs were also very interested in him.  A gamble?\nYes.\n\n>> Oh, it will?  As a Royals fan, I am skeptical.  They say he pitched well\n>> in winter ball.  He also pitched well at Omaha while with KC.  He just\n>> didn't pitch well (or even acceptably) when in the majors.  (I don't have\n>> his Atlanta stats, but he must not have impressed them very much either.)\n>\n>What about the year when he got 40+ saves in San Diego, did he pitch well\n>then?  Ok, I know he was awful the next year when he went to KC but still...\n>\nWon the CY Young, too, for that year.\n-- \n","346":"From: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)\nSubject: Re: com ports \/modem\/ mouse conflict -REALLY?\nOrganization: Howtek, Inc.\nReply-To: phil@howtek.MV.COM (Phil Hunt)\nX-Mailer: uAccess - Macintosh Release: 1.6v2\nLines: 43\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr11.120848.493@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org> (comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,alt.msdos.programmer,comp.sys.ibm.pc.misc,uw.pc.general,uw.pc.ibm,misc.forsale.computers.d,comp.dcom.modems,), oli@wnbbs.nbg.sub.org (Oliver Duesel) writes:\n] Hi there,\n] \n] yuri@windy.Berkeley.EDU (Yuri Yulaev) writes:\n] \n] : \tI have 1s\/1p\/1g  I\/O card in my 386\/40 PC. \n] : When I plug in wang modem at com4,it works. If I change\n] : it to com1- it doesn't. \n] : Program \"chkport\" gives diagnostics like \"possible com \/irq\n] : conflict at com1\" (with mouse driver in memory).\n] \n] Since your IO-card only has one serial port - this should default to COM1 ? \n] Under MS-DOS, you can't share IRQ's - so you'll have to set either your modem\n] or your mouse to COM2 ... using different adresses and IRQ's.\n] When you set two 'devices' onto the same IRQ - like COM1 and COM3 (or 2 and 4)\n] - the 'latter' one will always win, i.e. if you have your mouse on COM1 and\n] start using your modem on COM3, your modem should work - but your mouse will\n] stop doing so, until reboot.\n] \n] It should be no problem, setting your modem to COM2 ? (you didn't write \n] anything about other peripherals ...)\n] \n] I hope, it helped a bit ....\t\t\t\t\tBy(t)e, Oli.\n] \n] \n\nHi,\n\nI'm kind of new at the pc stuff.  My machine has 4 serial ports.  Com 1 and3\nand 2 &4 share same IRQs.  You mean I can't plug a mouse into Com1 and a modem\ninto com3 and expect both to work?\n\nIf Answer is NO, should I change IRQ's for com ports to be different?  And,\ndoes it really matter which IRQ I set the ports too?\n\nPhil\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\nPhil Hunt                          \"Wherever you go, there you are!\"\nHowtek, Inc.\t\t                   \n\nInternet: phil@howtek.MV.COM   uucp: {decvax|harvard}!mv!howtek!phil\n","347":"From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians\nNntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C50FnH.Cvo@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n>  [With a tip of the hat to David Letterman for making the Top Ten format \n>   so popular]\n>\n>Top Ten Reasons that Conservatives don't want to aid Russia:\n\n<looking around>  Who?  Where?\nDon't look at me.  I want to send aid to Russia.  Many other\nconservatives do as well.  \n\nJulie\nDISCLAIMER:  All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else\n","348":"From: ARowatt@massey.ac.nz (A.J. Rowatt)\nSubject: Page flipping in VGA 320x200x256 mode.\nOrganization: Massey University, Palmerston North, New Zealand\nX-Reader: NETNEWS\/PC Version 2c\nLines: 12\n\nHelp!\nHow do you write to the second bank\/page of memory when in VGA\n320x200x256 colour mode?. ie: to perform page flipping animation\nand buffering of the screen.\n     I have tried using the Map Mask Registers, but this does not\nperform the required task (Although it does do something).\n\nNote: It *must* be able to work on a standard VGA (ie: not\nnecessarily a SVGA card).\n\nMany thanx in advance...\nAndrew\n","349":"From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)\nSubject: Re: MOW BODYCOUNT\nOrganization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu\n\n> Any thoughts on who is going to count all of the gorgeous bodies at \n> the MOW?  The press?  The White House Staff?  The most Junior \n> Senator?  The King of the motss\/bi?  \n\n> Just curious as to whose bias we are going to see when the numbers \n> get brought out.\n\nProbably, law enforcement people (Park Service Police and D.C. cops),\nwho will use aerial photographs and extrapolate based on the\ndensity of the crowd in small regions.\n\nThese sort of techniques derive from Army Intelligence and CIA\nmethods of estimating troop strength, and tend to be\nmethodologically skewed to always come up with inflated numbers,\nso as to justify bigger budgets.\n\nSteve\n","350":"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Re: Atlanta Hockey Hell!!DIR\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 18\n\n> Someone give SportChannel a call (or maybe Ted Turner).\n> Wasn't USA network covering the playoffs years ago?\n> \n> Jim G.\n\nOh to be back in the good old days when I lived in Florida (Florida for\nPetes sake!!) and could watch hockey every night as ESPN and USA alternated\ncoverage nights. Oh well I guess it would be too simple for the home office\nto look back into their past to solve a problem in the present...\n\nOf course I shouldn't complain. At least I'm getting to watch the playoffs\nfor a change. (Hooray!!) Now if the ESPN schedulers will realise there are\nother teams except Pittsberg in the Patrick. (Sounds like a Dr Suess Book\n=)\n\nKOZ\n\nLETS GO CAPS!!\n","351":"From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)\nSubject: Re: Krillean Photography\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 20\n\nLiving things maintain small electric fields to (1) enhance certain\nchemical reactions, (2) promote communication of states with in a cell,\n(3) communicate between cells (of which the nervous system is a specialized\nexample), and perhaps other uses.  These electric fields change with location\nand time in a large organism.  Special photographic techniques such as applying\nexternal fields in Kirillian photography interact with these fields or the resistances\ncaused by these fields to make interesting pictures. Perhaps such pictures will\nbe diagonistic of disease problems in organisms when better understood. Perhaps not.\n\nStudying the overall electric activity of biological systems is several hundred\nyears old, but not a popular activity.  Perhaps, except in the case of a few\ntissues like nerves and the electric senses of fishes, it is hard to reduce the\ninvestigation into small pieces that can be clearly analyzed.  There are some\nhints that manipulating electric fields is a useful therapy such as speeding\nthe healing of broken bones, but not understood why.\n\nBioelectricity has a long association with mysticism. Ideas such as Frankenstein\nreanimation go back to the most early electrical experiments on tissue such as\nwhen Volta invented the battery.  I personally don't care to revert to supernatural\ncause to explain things we don't yet understand.\n","352":"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)\nSubject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions\nOrganization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco\nLines: 24\n\nhudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:\n>bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n>\n>>Specifically: when I bring up the fact that Genesis contains two\n>>contradictory creation stories, I usually get blank stares or flat\n>>denials.  I've never had a fundamentalist acknowledge that there are\n>>indeed two different accounts of creation.\n>\n>That is because two creation stories is one of the worst examples of \n>a difficulty with the Bible.  \"were formed\" can also be translated \"had been\n>formed\" in chapter two without any problems.  So the text does not demand\n>that there are two creation stories.  \n\nReally?  I don't get it... Genesis first says that God created the\nearth, then the animals, then humans; then it turns around and says\nthat humans were created before animals!  How can you escape this\ncontradiction?\n\n-- \n_\/_\/_\/  Brian Kendig                             Je ne suis fait comme aucun\n\/_\/_\/  bskendig@netcom.com                de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire\n_\/_\/                            n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.\n  \/  The meaning of life     Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.\n \/    is that it ends.                                           -- Rousseau\n","353":"From: jmc@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (John McCarthy)\nSubject: Re: New Environmental Group Launches.\nIn-Reply-To: eoneill@nyx.cs.du.edu's message of Sun, 4 Apr 93 23:02:33 GMT\nReply-To: jmc@cs.Stanford.EDU\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University\nLines: 17\n\n\n*Teddy O'Neill-Creature with furry Hobbit feet from Bath UK*,\na sentimental fool, posts:\n \n     With the force of a world-wide youth movement, it ought to\n     be possible to establish a coordinated global program to\n     accomplish the strategic goal of completely eliminating the\n     internal combustion engine over, say, a twenty year period.\n\nEvidently there are no open questions, either scientific or about\nhow people prefer to live.\n\n--\nJohn McCarthy, Computer Science Department, Stanford, CA 94305\n*\nHe who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.\n\n","354":"From: mwhaefne@infonode.ingr.com (Mark W. Haefner)\nSubject: Re: \"Accepting Jesus in your heart...\"\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, AL.\nLines: 10\n\n>\n>> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.\n>> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality.  Christians inject\n>> themselves with jeezus and live with that high. \n\n\nWhy would you say \"especially Christianity\"?\n\n\nMark\n","355":"From: dpassage@soda.berkeley.edu (David G. Paschich)\nSubject: Re: HBP? BB? BIG-CAT?\nOrganization: Organization?  Who cares?  You just gotta say \"Go Bears!\"\nLines: 14\nDistribution: na\n\t<1qv9psINNsj6@lynx.unm.edu> <C5r7tv.36s@odin.corp.sgi.com>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: soda.berkeley.edu\nIn-reply-to: kubey@sgi.com's message of Mon, 19 Apr 1993 23:27:29 GMT\n\nIn article <C5r7tv.36s@odin.corp.sgi.com> kubey@sgi.com (Ken Kubey) writes:\n\n   I suppose a foul ball machine (like Brett Butler) is pretty valuable,\n   but I'd rather watch (and root for) the lower OBP guys who can\n   actually hit the ball.\n\nAnd I'd rather watch (and root for) a team that scores lots of runs\nand wins games.\n\nOf course, I'm rooting for the Rockies and Andres anyway.  But that's\nfor irrational hometown reaons.  I also root for Frank Thomas. :)\n\nDavid Paschich\n\n","356":"From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace)\nSubject:  Level 5\nReply-To: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU\nNntp-Posting-Host: sor.cs.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Dept.\nLines: 15\n\nAccording to a Software engineering professor here, what was actually rated\nlevel five was an ibm unit which produced part of the software for the shuttle,\nby not means all of it. \n\nInteresting note: 90% of the software development groups surveyed were at\nlevel 1. The ibm shuttle groups was the *only* one at level 5!\n\n---\nC\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/\nC\/    Nathan F. Wallace                   C\/C\/           \"Reality Is\"         C\/\nC\/    e-mail: wallacen@cs.colostate.edu   C\/C\/    ancient Alphaean proverb    C\/\nC\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/\n \n\n\n","357":"From: leapman@austin.ibm.com (Scott Leapman)\nSubject: Re: Half-page hand scanners?\nOriginator: leapman@junior.austin.ibm.com\nReply-To: $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 8\n\n\nI have a Lightening Scan Pro 256 hand scanner.  It came with scanning\/editing\nsoftware, OCR software, and some plug-in modules for Photoshop et al.  The\nscanner was a tad on the pricey side ($480), but the scans are incredibly\naccurate, in 256 level, 300 dpi grayscale.  It also has dithered and line art\nsettings when grayscale isn't desired.  Great scanning software, easy to use.  I\nfrequently write letters to my neices, and spontaneouly include a scanned image\nin the note.  Hope this helps!\n","358":"From: gpb@gpb-mac (greg berryman )\nSubject: Re: Memory upgrades\nNntp-Posting-Host: 222.1.248.85\nReply-To: gpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com\nOrganization: Memories at Motorola\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 33\n\njacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (nga throgaw shaygiy) writes:\n: \n: Excuse me if this is a frequent question, I checked in\n: several FAQs but couldn't really find anything.\n\nYou are excused... the answer varies from Mac to Mac so it would be\na complex answer in the FAQ.\n: \n: I have a IIsi with the standard 5 meg memory and I want\n: (need) to add additional memory.  But I'm on a budget.\n: I really don't need more than 10 meg max, so what is\n: the best (performance wise) and most economical way\n: to do this?  Someone told me that I should only use\n: SIMMs of the same amount of memory, that is 4 1 meg,\n: 4 2 meg, etc.  What if I just wanted to buy just 1 4 meg\n: and use the rest of what I already have?  The manual\n: hasn't been very helpful with this.\n: \nThe si uses a 32 bit wide data bus and therefore you must use 4 8-bit\nwide simms.  Sorry, but no short cuts here.\n\n: Thanks.\n\nYou're quite welcome.\n: \nGreg.\n\n--\nMy words, not Motorola's.   * ______ *    EQUAL rights NOT special rights     \ngpb@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com     * \\ BI \/ * I will NOT ride in the back of the bus.\nGreg Berryman (512)928-6014 *  \\  \/  *         SILENCE = DEATH\nMotorola Austin, Texas, USA *   \\\/   *     First, be true to yourself.\nGLB mailing list ---> glblist@gpb-mac.sps.mot.com   (Motorola only)\n","359":"From: bcash@crchh410.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Brian Cash)\nSubject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses\nNntp-Posting-Host: crchh410\nOrganization: BNR, Inc.\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.115300.803@batman.bmd.trw.com>, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:\n|> In article <C4twso.8M2@HQ.Ileaf.COM>, mukesh@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Mukesh Prasad) writes:\n|> > In article <1993Apr1.142854.794@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:\n|> >> In article <1p8v1aINN9e9@matt.ksu.ksu.edu>, strat@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steve Davis) writes:\n|> >> > bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n|> >> > \n|> >> >>- The Earth is evil because Satan rules over it.\n|> >> > \n|> >> > This is a new one to me.  I guess it's been a while since a Witness\n|> >> > bothered with me.  Are they implying that Satan is omniscient?  You\n|> >> > might try tricking them into saying that Satan is 'all-knowing' and\n|> >> > then use that statement to show them how their beliefs are\n|> >> > self-contradictary.  \n|> >> \n|> >> No, Satan is not omniscient, but he does hold dominion over the earth\n|> >> according to Christian theology (note, not to be confused with JW's\n|> >> theology). \n|> >> \n|> > \n|> > What are the standard theologies on who\/what created Satan,\n|> > and why?\n|> > \n|> \n|> Orthodox Christian theology states that God created Lucifer (Satan)\n|> along with the other angels, presumably because He wanted beings to\n|> celebrate (glorify) existence and life (and thereby, God) along with\n|> Him.  Actually the whys and wherefores of God's motivations for \n|> creating the angels are not a big issue within Christian theology.\n|> \n|> But God created Lucifer with a perfect nature and gave him along with\n|> the other angels free moral will.  Lucifer was a high angel (perhaps\n|> the highest) with great authority.  It seems that his greatness caused\n|> him to begin to take pride in himself and desire to be equal to or\n|> greater than God.  He forgot his place as a created being.  He exalted\n|> himself above God, and thereby evil and sin entered creation.\n\nActually, the story goes that Lucifer refused to bow before MAN as \nGod commanded him to.  Lucifer was devoted to God.\n\nOh yeah, there is nothing in Genesis that says the snake was anything\nmore than a snake (well, a talking one...had legs at the time, too).\n\nI don't think pointing out contradictions in STORIES is the best way\nto show the error in theology:  if they think a supernatural entity\nkicked the first humans out of paradise because they bit into a\nfruit that gave them special powers...well, they might not respond\nwell to reason and logic.  :^)\n\nBrian \/-|-\\\n\n\n","360":"From: neale@ee.rochester.edu (Reg Neale)\nSubject: Pioneer Laser player\nOrganization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science\nLines: 5\n\nI'm trying to figure out how to operate a Pioneer Laserdisc LD-1000 that I bought at a surplus store. It is reputedly from some kind of computerised viewing\nand\/or ordering system. THere is what may be an HPIB connector on the back. When\nI power it up, the front panel power light comes on, but no activity, and the\ndoor doesn't open. Anyone have any experience with this unit or any ideas on how\nto obtain documentation?\n","361":"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: National Sales Tax, The Movie\nLines: 66\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.164750.21913@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n\n>In article <9304151442.AA05233@inet-gw-2.pa.dec.com> blh@uiboise.idbsu.edu (Broward L. Horne) writes:\n>>      Well, it seems the \"National Sales Tax\" has gotten its very\n>\n>>      own CNN news LOGO!\n>>\n>>      Cool.  That means we'll be seeing it often.\n>>\n>>      Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this \n>>      seriously ) in 1990.  If I kept busting my ass, watching \n>>      time go by, being frustrated, I'd be pretty DAMN MAD by \n>>      now.\n>>      \n>>      I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who\n>>      was saying that \" Clinton didn't propose a NST \".\n>>\n>\n>Actually, Jerry Brown essentially did...and Clinton, in his demagogue\n>persona, condemned Brown for it in the crucial NY primary last year.\n>\n>However....\n>\n>Why don't the Republicans get their act together, and say they\n>will support a broad-based VAT that would have to be visible\n>(the VAT in Canada is visible unlike the invisible VATS they\n>have in Europe)\n>and suggest a rate sufficient to halve income and corporate\n>and capital gains tax rates and at a rate sufficient to give\n>the Clintons enough revenue for their health care reform, \n\n       The Republicans are, in general, fighting any tax increase.\nThere is also worry that a VAT would be far too easy to increase\nincrementally.\n\n       (BTW, what is different between Canada's tax and most of\nEurope's that makes it \"visible?\")\n\n>and\n>force an agreement with the Democrats that the top income tax\n>rate would then be frozen for the forseeable future and could\n>be increased only via a national referendum.\n\n       This would require a constitutional amendment, and Congress\nenjoys raising taxes too much to restrict themselves like that.\n(Besides, with the 2\/3 majority necessary to pull that off you'd \nhave a difficult time \"forcing\" anything like that.)\n\n>Why not make use of the Clintons to do something worthwhile...\n>shift the tax burden from investment to consumption, and get\n>health care reform, and a frozen low top marginal tax rate\n>all in one fell swoop.\n\n       Primarily because it's a practical impossibility to \"freeze\"\ntax rates.\n\n       However, this is something that bothers me.  We're always talking\nabout \"consumer confidence\" and \"consumer spending\" as gauges for the\neconomy.  If they really are important, wouldn't shifting taxes to\nconsumption provide a disincentive to spend money?\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - \"I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft;  I'm beginning to think you don't\nlove me anymore.\" - \"Weird Al\"\n","362":"From: cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook)\nSubject: Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G)\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque, NM\nLines: 19\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: cook@varmit.mdc.com (Layne Cook)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cook.mdc.com\n\nAll of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year \nmoon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace \ndevelopment before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of \nSaint Louis venture to his financial backers.\n\nIf memory serves, the $25k prize would not have been enough to totally \nreimburse some of the more expensive transatlantic projects (such as \nFokker's, Nungesser and other multi-engine projects). However Lindbergh \nultimately kept his total costs below that amount.\n\nBut I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to \nrealize that much more was at stake than $25,000.\n\nCould it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of \ntoday?\n\nLayne Cook\ncook@apt.mdc.com                                             \nMcDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co.\n","363":"From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)\nSubject: Re: Some Recent Observations by Hubble\nKeywords: HST, Pluto, Uranus\nOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <15APR199316461058@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes:\n>Here are some recent observations taken by the Hubble Space Telescope:\n>\n>     o Observations were made using the High Speed Photometer of the Planet\n>       Uranus during an occultation by a faint star in Capricornus.\n                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nWow! I knew Uranus is a long way off, but I didn't think it was THAT far away!\n\n-- \n|                Dick Pierce                |\n|    Loudspeaker and Software Consulting    |\n| 17 Sartelle Street   Pepperell, MA  01463 |\n|       (508) 433-9183 (Voice and FAX)      |\n","364":"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.183148.4802@das.harvard.edu> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:\n\n>\tI think \"house Jews,\" a reference to a person of Jewish\n>ancestry who issues statements for a company or organization that\n>condemn Judaism is perfectly sufficeint.\n\nI believe that CPR is himself such a \"house Jew\".\n\n-- \nJake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com           Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions.    standard of a failed President.\n","365":"From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge)\nSubject: Re: Teenage acne\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 57\n\npchurch@swell.actrix.gen.nz (Pat Churchill) writes:\n\n\n>My 14-y-o son has the usual teenage spotty chin and greasy nose.  I\n>bought him Clearasil face wash and ointment.  I think that is probably\n>enough, along with the usual good diet.  However, he is on at me to\n>get some product called Dalacin T, which used to be a\n>doctor's-prescription only treatment but is not available over the\n>chemist's counter.  I have asked a couple of pharmacists who say\n>either his acne is not severe enough for Dalacin T, or that Clearasil\n>is OK.  I had the odd spots as a teenager, nothing serious.  His\n>father was the same, so I don't figure his acne is going to escalate\n>into something disfiguring.  But I know kids are senstitive about\n>their appearance.  I am wary because a neighbour's son had this wierd\n>malady that was eventually put down to an overdose of vitamin A from\n>acne treatment.  I want to help - but with appropriate treatment.\n\n>My son also has some scaliness around the hairline on his scalp.  Sort\n>of teenage cradle cap.  Any pointers\/advice on this?  We have tried a\n>couple of anti dandruff shampoos and some of these are inclined to\n>make the condition worse, not better.\n\n>Shall I bury the kid till he's 21 :)\n\n:) No...I was one of the lucky ones. Very little acne as a teenager. I\ndidn't have any luck with clearasil. Even though my skin gets oily it\nreally only gets miserable pimples when it's dry. \n\nFrequent lukewarm water rinses on the face might help. Getting the scalp\nthing under control might help (that could be as simple as submerging under\nthe bathwater till it's softened and washing it out). Taking a one a day\nvitamin\/mineral might help. I've heard iodine causes trouble and that it  \nis used in fast food restaurants to sterilize equipment which might be\nwhere the belief that greasy foods cause acne came from. I notice grease \non my face, not immediately removed will cause acne (even from eating\nmeat).\n\nKeeping hair rinse, mousse, dip, and spray off the face will help. Warm\nwater bath soaks or cloths on the face to soften the oil in the pores will\nhelp prevent blackheads. Body oil is hydrophilic, loves water and it\nsoftens and washes off when it has a chance. That's why hair goes limp with\noilyness. \n\nBecoming convinced that the best thing to do with\na whitehead is leave it alone will save him days of pimple misery. Any\nprying of black or whiteheads can cause infections, the red spots of\npimples. Usually a whitehead will break naturally in a day and there won't\nbe an infection afterwards.\n\nTell him that it's normal to have some pimples but the cosmetic industry\nmakes it's money off of selling people on the idea that they are an\nincredible defect to be hidden at any cost (even that of causing more pimples). \n\n\n-Jackie-\n\n\n","366":"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: The Nicene Creed (was Re: MAJOR VIEWS OF THE TRINITY)\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 152\n\nMichael Bushnell writes;\n\n>The so-called Creed of Athanasius, however, has always been a Western\n>creed, and has always had the filioque.  The Orthodox have said that\n>they accept all that it says, with the exception of the filioque, but\n>it is not \"in use.\"\n\nWhich is exactly what I pointed out.  (Though I was wrong about your use\nof the Creed, the 1913 Catholic Encylcopedia in which I read about it\nsaid the Orthodox do use the Creed minus the filioque.  Apparently that\nhas changed.)  The Athanasian Creed has always had the Filioque, the\nNicene - Constantinopolitan did not.\n\tOf course the Orthodox did not delete the Filioque from the Nicene\nCreed (it wasn't there to begin with), but they certainly did from the\nAthanasian Creed, which did have it from the beginning.\n\tI might point out that the whole problem started over the difference in\nways of explaining the generation of the Blessed Trinity, the East\nemphasizing the idea of the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father\nthrough the Son, and the West using proceeding from the Father and the\nSon.  In fact, some, such as Tertullian, used both formulations (see\nbelow)\n\n\t\"Following, therefore, the form of these examples, I profess that I do\ncall God and His Word, - the Father and and His Son, - two.  For the\nroot and the stem are two things, but conjoined; the fountain and the\nriver are two kinds, but indivisible; the sun and the ray are two forms,\nbut coherent ones.  Anything which proceeds from another must\nnecessarily be a second to that from which it proceeds; but it is not on\nthat account separated from it.  Where there is second, however, there\nare two; and where ther is third, there are three.  The Spirit, then, is\nthird from God and the Son, just as the third from the root is the fruit\nof the stem, and third from the fountain is the stream from the river,\nand thrid from the sun is the apex of the ray.\"\n\t-Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 8, 5 (about 213 AD)\n\nand\n\n\t\"I believe that the Spirit proceeds not otherwise than from the Father\nthrough the Son\"\n\t-Tertullian, Against Praxeas, 4, 1 (about 213 AD)\n\nAnd as St. Thomas showed in his Summa Theologica Part 1, Question 36,\nArticles 2 and 3, there is no contradiction between the two methods of\ngeneration, and in fact, the two methods of reckoning the procession\nemphasize what St. Augustine, among others taught, that the Holy Spirit\nproceeds from the Father and the Son, but He proceeds from the Father in\na more preeminent way.\n\n\t\"For whatever the Son has, He has from the Father, certainly He has it\nfrom the Father that the Holy Spirit proceeds from Him ... For the\nFather alone is not from another, for which reason He alone is called\nunbegotten, not, indeed, in the Scriptures, but in the practice of\ntheologians, and of those who employ such terms as they are able in a\nmatter so great.  The Son, however, is born of the Father; and the Holy\nSpirit proceeds principally from the Father, and since the Father gives\nto the Son all that He has without any interval of time, the Holy Spirit\nproceeds jointly from both Father and Son.  He would be called Son of\nthe Father and of the Son if, which is abhorent to everyone of sound\nmind, they had both begotten Him.  The Spirit was not begotten by each,\nhowever, but proceeds from each and both.\"\n\t-St. Augustine of Hippo, The Trinity, 15, 26, 47 (400 to 416 AD)\n\nSo, in a sense, all of the formulations are correct (to the West at\nleast), because the Holy Spirit proceeds from both Father and Son, but\nin proceeding from the Son, the orgin of that procession is the\nprocession from the Father, so the Holy Spirit is proceeding from the\nFather through the Son, but as all that the Son has is from the Father,\nthe Holy Spirit can be said to proceed from the Father, without any\nmention of the Son being necessary.\n\tIn any case, I am happy to know that I follow in the beliefs of Pope\nSt. Leo I, St. Fulgence of Ruspe, St. Cyril of Alexandria, Pope St.\nDamsus I, St. Augustine of Hippo, St. Epiphanius of Salamis, St. Ambrose\nof Milan, St. Hilary of Poitiers, Tertullian, and others among the\nFathers, who all have very quotable quotes supporting the Catholic\nposition, which I enunciated above.\n\tAs for the issue of the adoption of another Creed being forbidden, I\nwill point out that the Holy Fathers of Ephesus and Chalcedon both spoke\nof the Creed of Nicea in their statement forbidding anyone \"to produce,\nwrite, or compose a confession of faith other than the one defined by\nthe Fathers of Nicea.\"  That Creed is a different Creed than that of\nConstantinople, which is commonly called the Nicene Creed.  Not of\ncourse in that they were condemning the adoption of the\nConstantinopolitan Creed, which is but an enlargement upon the Creed of\nNicea, but that they were condemning the impious opinions of Nestorious,\nwho had adopted a radically different Creed from the one used by the\nChurch, which among other things denied the procession of the Holy\nSpirit form the Son.  Thus, the additions of the Constantinopolitan\nCreed were not thought to be in violation of this, and as the Council\nChalcedon also affirmed the doctrine of the procession of the Holy\nSpirit from the Son, which Nestorius denied, they could hardly have been\nagainst explaining in a fuller way the Creed, for they themselves\napproved of previous additions to it.  And if the further explanations\nof the Creed made in Constantinople were not denigrating of the work\ndone by the Holy Fathers of Nicea or in any way heretical, it follows\nthat the Council of Toledo was fully able to add what was not disputed\nby the faithful to the Creed so as to combat the impieties of the Arians\nin Spain, because the filioque was not in dispute in the Church until\nmany years later under Photius and others.  And that the filioque was\nnot disputed, I provide more quotes below.\n\n\t\"Since the Holy Spirit when he is in us effects our being conformed to\nGod, and he actually proceeds from the Father and Son, it is abundantly\nclear that He is of the divine essence, in it in essence and proceeding\nfrom it.\"\n\t-St. Cyril of Alexandria, The Treasury of the Holy and Consubstantial\nTrinity, Thesis 34, (423-425 AD)\n\n\t\"The Holy Spirit is not of the Father only, or of the Son only, but he\nis the Spirit of the Father and the Son.  For it is written: `If anyone\nloves the world, the Spirit of the Father is not in him'; and again it\nis written: `If anyone, however, does not have the Spirit of Christ, he\nis none of His.'  When the Father and the Son are named in this way, the\nHoly Spirit is understood, of whom the Son himself says in the Gospel,\nthat the Holy Spirit `proceeds from the Father,' and that `He shall\nreceive of mine and shall announce it to you.'\"\n\t-Pope St. Damasus I, The Decree of Damasus, 1 (382 AD)\n\n\t\"The only-begotten Holy Spirit has neither the name of the Son nor the\nappelation of Father, but is called Holy Spirit, and is not foreign to\nthe Father.  For the Only-begotten Himself calls Him: `the Spirit of the\nFather,' and says of Him the `He proceeds from the Father,' and `will\nreceive of mine,' so that He is reckoned as not being foreign to the\nSon, but is of their same substance, of the same Godhead; He is Spirit\ndivine, ... of God, and He is God.  For he is Spirit of God, Spirit of\nthe Father, and Spirit of the Son, not by some kind of synthesis, like\nsoul and body in us, but in the midst of Father and Son of the Father\nand of the Son, a third by appelation....\n\t\"The Father always existed and the Son always existed, and the Spirit\nbreathes from the Father and the Son; and neither is the Son created nor\nis the Spirit created.\"\n\t-St. Epiphanius of Salamis (which is on Cyprus), The Man Well-Anchored,\n8 and 75 (374 AD)\n\n\t\"Concerning the Holy Spirit, I ought not to remain silent, nor yet is\nit necessary to speak.  Still, on account of those who do not know Him,\nit is not possible for me to be silent.  However it is necessary to\nspeak of Him who must be acknowledged, who is from the Father and the\nSon, His Sources.\"\n\t-St. Hilary of Poitiers, The Trintiy, 2, 29 (356 to 359 AD)\n\n\tThus, as I have pointed out before, Gaul, Spain, Italy, Africa, Egypt,\nPalastine, and the lands of the Greeks, all of Christnedom at that time,\nall have Fathers who can be cited to show that they confess the doctrine\nexpressed by the filioque.  I suggest to those of the Orthodox Church\nthat they come up with some of the Fathers, besides St. John of Damascus\nwho all will admit denied the filioque, to support their views.  It is\nnot enough to bring up the \"proceeds from the Father\" line of the Creed\nor the Gospel of John, for that says what we believe also.  But it does\nnot say the Holy Spirit does not proceed from the Son, only that He does\nproceed from the Father.\n\nAndy Byler\n","367":"From: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com (Tom McConnell~)\nSubject: Re: Motif vs. [Athena, etc.]\nOrganization: Intel Corporation\nLines: 44\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thunder.intel.com\nOriginator: tmcconne@sedona\n\n\nIn article <C5K6ny.AzJ@kirk.bu.oz.au>, bambi@kirk.bu.oz.au (David J. Hughes) writes:\n> berry@durian.citr.uq.oz.au (Andrew Berry) writes:\n>\n> Ports of Motif to both 386BSD and Linux are available for a fee of about\n> $100.  This is cost recovery for the person who bought the rights to\n> redistribute.  The activity in both the BSD and Linux news groups\n> pertaining to Motif has been high.\n> \n> \n> >I just wonder if this will also cause a divergence between commercial\n> >and non-commercial software (ie. you will only get free software using\n> >Athena or OpenLook widget sets, and only get commercial software using\n> >the Motif widget sets).  \n> \n> \n> I can't see why.  If just about every workstation will come with Motif\n> by default and you can buy it for under $100 for the \"free\" UNIX\n> platforms, I can't see this causing major problems.\n\n  Let me add another of my concerns: Yes, I can buy a port of Motif for \"cheap\",\nbut I cannot get the source for \"cheap\", hence I am limited to using whatever X\nlibraries the Motif port was compiled against (at least with older versions of\nMotif. I have been told that Motif 1.2 can be used with any X, but I have not\nseen it myself).\n\n  Currently, I have X11R5 running on eight different unix platforms, of which\nonly three came with Motif. On those three, I am unable to use the X11R5\nlibraries to build Motif clients, because I get link errors between the\nvendor-supplied port of Motif and my X11R5. I anticipate having this same\nproblem when X11R6 becomes available.\n\n  The result is that I cannot build Motif clients that rely on X11R5, since I do\nnot have Motif compiled under X11R5. True, I could buy another port of Motif,\nbut that sort of ruins the whole idea of \"free\", doesn't it?\n\n    Cheers,\n\n    Tom McConnell\n-- \n Tom McConnell          |     Internet: tmcconne@sedona.intel.com\n Intel, Corp. C3-91     |     Phone: (602)-554-8229\n 5000 W. Chandler Blvd. | The opinions expressed are my own. No one in \n Chandler, AZ  85226    | their right mind would claim them.\n","368":"From: lau@aerospace.aero.org (David Lau)\nSubject: Re: Accelerating the MacPlus...;)\nNntp-Posting-Host: michigan.aero.org\nOrganization: The Aerospace Corporation; El Segundo, CA\nLines: 17\n\n  Also, if someone would recommend another\n> accelerator for the MacPlus, I'd like to hear about it.\n> \n> Thanks for any time and effort you expend on this!\n> \n> Karl\n\nTry looking at the Brainstorm Accelerator for the Plus.  I believe it is\nthe best solution because of the performance and price.  Why spend $800\nupgrading a computer that is only worth $300 ????\n  The brainstorm accelerator is around $225.  It speeds up the internal\nclock speed to 16MHz.  That may not seem like much but it also speeds up\nSCSI transfers.  I think that feature is unique to brainstorm.\nCheck it out.\n\nDavid Lau\nlau@aerospace.aero.org\n","369":"From: riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs)\nSubject: Re: hard times investments was: (no subject given)\nOrganization: LNK Corporation, Riverdale, MD\nLines: 50\nNntp-Posting-Host: descartes.tec.army.mil\n\nIn article <1pkvcl$nu0@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne) writes:\n>\n>In a previous article, riggs@descartes.etl.army.mil (Bill Riggs) says:\n>\n>>so much land, and in the long run, we have a zero sum game going. Someone,\n>>somewhere, is going to make a killing from nosediving real estate\n>>markets. The worst thing to do is panic. The best thing you can do is\n>>to ride out deflation to the end. It hurts, but you're better off \n>>than if you sell short and donate to someone else's inheritance.\n>\n>\n>      Sad.  Paradigm Shift is coming, chum.\n>     Ride the WAVE!\n\n\tI don't believe in the \"Wave Theory\".\n\n>\n>     \" There's only so much land \".   Oh, God, is this Mike Zimmer's\n>    replacement?!\n\n\tMy mother-in-law, who grew up in Germany, doesn't believe in \nmoney at all. She started out as a real estate developer, and now raises\nhorses. She keeps telling me that inflation is coming back, and to lock\nin my fixed rate mortgage as low as possible.\n\n>\n>     Here, let me spell it out for you.\n>\n>     Can you spell TWO TRILLION DOLLAR BANK BAILOUT?\n\n\tMaybe you'd like to invest in some foreign currency.\n\n\tWhich one would you guess to come out on top ?\n\n\t(Sigh - speculators never learn.)\n\n\n\nBill R.\n\n--\n\n\"The only proposals in the Senate that I         \"My opinions do not represent\nhave seen fit to mention are particularly        those of my employer or\npraiseworthy or particularly scandalous ones.    any government agency.\"\nIt seems to me that the historian's foremost     - Bill Riggs\nduty is to ensure that virtue is remembered,\nand to deter evil words and deeds with the\nfear of posterity's damnation.\"\n- Tacitus, _Annals_ III. 65\n","370":"Subject: Re: Principle_of_the_Breathalyzer\nFrom: srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz\nOrganization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz\nLines: 3\n\nIn NZ apparently things like aftershave are also giving positive\nreadings\n\n","371":"From: cs1442aq@news.uta.edu (cs1442aq)\nSubject: Ryam out for 2-5 weeks!!\nOrganization: University of Texas at Arlington\nLines: 4\n\nNolan Ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee.  Is having surgery and\nis expected to miss 2-5 weeks.  \n-- \n\n","372":"From: sandy47@cats.ucsc.edu ()\nSubject: Wargames\/magazines Forsale\nOrganization: University of California; Santa Cruz\nLines: 107\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: si.ucsc.edu\n\n\nDiscounts!  Please take\t$2.00 off each item over $10.00\n                        $1.00 off each item over $ 5.00\n\nHere is the list of magazines, including asking price:\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nStrategy & Tactics Magazine (All include unpunched games):\n===========================\n\nNEW (52 & 79-90 As mailed with games and all inclusions.)\n\nIssue:\tTitle:\t\t\t\t\t\t\tAsking:\n\n52\tOil War - American Intervention in The Persian Gulf\t35.00\n\n79\tBerlin '85 - The Enemy at the Gates\t\t\t20.00\n81\tTito - Partisan Army Yugoslavia, 1941-45\t\t20.00\n83\tKaiser's Battle - German Offensive March, 1918\t\t20.00\n84\tOperation Grenade - Rhineland Feb 23-Mar 5, 1945\t20.00\n89\tSicily - The Race to Messina Jul 10-Aug 17, 1943\t20.00\n90\tThe Battle of Monmouth - Colonies take Offensive 1778\t20.00\n\n----------End of an Era ---------------------------------------------\n\nNEW (113-127 As mailed with games and all inclusions in envelope.)\n\nIssue:\tTitle:\t\t\t\t\t\t\tAsking:\n\n113\tThe Battle of Abensberg (Magazine only)\t\t\t15.00\t\n115     Kanev - Russian Paratroops\t\t\t\t15.00\n116\tManchu - The Taiping Rebellion\t\t\t\t15.00\n117\tNorth German Plain - Modern Germany\t\t\t15.00\n118\tThe Tigers Are Burning - Camp. in the Ukraine '43-44\t15.00\n120\tNicararagua\t\t\t\t\t\t15.00\n122\tPegasus Bridge - The Beginning of D-Day\t\t\t15.00\n123\tCampaigns in the Valley\t\t\t\t\t15.00\n124\tFortress Stalingrad - Russian Winter Offensive '42-43\t15.00\n125\tThe Far Seas - German Cruiser Operations WWII\t\t15.00\n126\tBeirut 1982 - Arab Stalingrad\t\t\t\t15.00\n127\tRush for Glory - War with Mexico 1846-47\t\t15.00\n\n\nThe AH General Magazine:  (Many other articles included in each issue)\n=======================\n\nIssue\tTitle\t\t\t\tAsking  Vol. #\n\n7-80    Crescendo of Doom               8.00  \t17\/2\n11-80\tFortress Europa\t\t\t8.00  \t17\/4\n1-81\tCircus Maximus\t\t\t8.00  \t17\/5\n3-81\tStalingra\t\t\t8.00  \t17\/6\n5-81\tBismark, Squad Leader Clinic \t8.00  \t18\/1\n\n\nCampaign Magazine: (Many other articles included in each issue)\n=================\n\nIssue\tTitle\t\t\t\tAsking\n\n97\tCrescendo of Doom\t\t 8.00\n101\tCross of Iron\t\t\t 8.00\n102\tCounterstroke at Inchon\t\t 8.00\n104\tSquad Leader Variant\t\t 8.00\n106\tGDW's 1941\t\t\t 8.00\n108     Battle for Leyte Gulf\t         8.00\n\nAll magazine prices include postage.  ALL ISSUES ARE IN NEW OR LIKE-NEW \nCONDITION.\n \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nGames and Books:\n===============\n\nYaquinto Publications, Inc.:\n===========================\n\nAttack of the Mutants - Introductory Game\t\t\t$ 5.00\n(Unpunched, new.)\n\n---\n\nThe Complete Book of Wargames (out of print)\t\t\t$30.00\n--------------------------------------------\nAuthor:  Jon Freeman\n(Part 1 Introduction 75 pages - \n\tincluding Ch. 4 Kassala: An Introductory Wargame)\n(Complete information on over 150 wargames as of 1980)\n[hardcover, 285 pages, large format]\n\n---\n\nShipping extra on books and games.\n\nPrefer money orders for payment, I'll allow personal checks to clear before\nshipping.  \n\n\t\t\t\t\tLarry\n\n\nLarry McElhiney\n1385 7th Avenue #10\nSanta Cruz, CA 95062\n\n(408)426-5858 x 358 (w)\n(408)475-8027       (h)\n","373":"From: bob@black.ox.ac.uk (Bob Douglas)\nSubject: Re: Sphere from 4 points?\nOrganization: Oxford University Computing Service, 13 Banbury Rd, Oxford, U\nLines: 94\nOriginator: bob@black\n\nIn article <2406@hcrlgw92.crl.hitachi.co.jp> steve@hcrlgw (Steven Collins) writes:\n>In article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu> bolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes:\n>>Boy, this will be embarassing if it is trivial or an FAQ:\n>>\n>>Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is,\n>>center and radius, exactly fitting those points?  I know how to do it\n>>for a circle (from 3 points), but do not immediately see a \n>>straightforward way to do it in 3-D.  I have checked some\n>>geometry books, Graphics Gems, and Farin, but am still at a loss?\n>>Please have mercy on me and provide the solution?  \n>\n>Wouldn't this require a hyper-sphere.  In 3-space, 4 points over specifies\n>a sphere as far as I can see.  Unless that is you can prove that a point\n>exists in 3-space that is equi-distant from the 4 points, and this may not\n>necessarily happen.\n>\n>Correct me if I'm wrong (which I quite possibly am!)\n>\n>steve\n\nSorry!! :-)\n\nCall the four points A, B, C and D. Any three of them must be\nnon-collinear (otherwise all three could not lie on the surface\nof a sphere) and all four must not be coplaner (otherwise either\nthey cannot all lie on a sphere or they define an infinity of them).\n\nA, B and C define a circle. The perpendicular bisectors of AB, BC\nand CA  meet in a point (P, say) which is the centre of this circle.\nThis circle must lie on the surface of the desired sphere.\n\nConsider the normal to the plane ABC passing through P. All points\non this normal are equidistant from A, B and C and its circle (in\nfact it is a diameter of the desired sphere). Take the plane\ncontaining this normal and D (if D lies on the normal any\nplane containing the normal will do); this plane is at right angles\nto the ABC one.\n\nLet E be the point (there are normally two of them) on the circumference\nof the ABC circle which lies in this plane. We need a point Q on the\nnormal such that EQ = DQ. But the intersection of the perpendicular\nbisector of ED and the normal is such a point (and it exists since D is\nnot in the plane ABC, and so ED is not at right angles to the normal).\n\n\nAlgorithm:\n\nIs the sphere well defined?\n    (1) Check that A and B are not coincident (=> failure).\n    (2) Find the line AB and check that C does not lie on it (=> failure).\n    (3) Find the plane ABC and check that D does not lie in it (=> failure).\nYes. Find its centre.\n    (1) Find the perpendicular bisectors of AB and AC.\n    (2) Find their point of intersection (P).\n    (3) Find the normal to the plane ABC passing through P (line N).\n    (4) Find the plane containing N and D; find the point E on the\n\tABC circle in this plane (if D lies on N, take E as A).\n    (4) Find the perpendicular bisector of ED (line L)\n    (5) Find the point of intersection of N and L (Q).\nQ is the centre of the desired sphere\n\n\nPictures:\n\n(1) In the plane ABC\n\n\t\t\tA\n\n\n                                P\n                 \n                B                               C\n\n(2) At right-angles to ABC, in the plane containing N and D\n\n\t\t\tE\n\n\n                                                          D\n\n    line N\n    --------------------P-------------Q---------------------------\n\n\nNumerically:\n\nIf ED << EP then Q will be very close to P (relative to the radius\nof the ABC circle) and subject to error. It's best to choose D so\nthat the least of AD, BD and CD is larger than for any other choice.\n-- \nBob Douglas              Computing Services, University of Oxford\nInternet:                bob@oxford.ac.uk\nAddress:                 13 Banbury Road, Oxford OX2 6NN, UK\nTelephone:               +44-865-273211\n","374":"From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar)\nSubject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 28\n\nskok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok) writes:\n\n>In article <C5nq9C.LLp@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar) writes:\n>[... stuff deleted]\n>>\n>>Besides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean,\n>>who uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this\n>>memory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz.\n>>\n>[more stuff deleted...]\n\n>How do you calculate that figure? I'd assume even in personal computers\n>the board designers would use bank switching to (optimistically) \n>quadruple the access speed  or am I missing something here?\n\nThe previous article referred to the fact that you could only use 20ns SIMMs in\na 50MHz machine, but that you could use 80ns SIMMs in slower machines. I just\npointed out that if you could only use 20ns SIMMs in a 50MHz machine, you can't\nuse 80ns SIMMs in anything faster than a 12.5 MHz machine. Bank switching and\ncaches were not considered in either example (although both would help memory\naccess).\n\n>HSK\n-- \nRavikumar Venkateswar\nrvenkate@uiuc.edu\n\nA pun is a no' blessed form of whit.\n","375":"Organization: University of Maine System\nFrom: Merv <IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>\nSubject: EGA\/VGA Monitor&Card wanted\nLines: 9\n\nAs it says in the subject, I am looking for a decent EGA or VGA monitor\/card\ncombo that is in working condition.\nThe only thing is that it must be an 8-bit card.\n\nE-Mail all offers to:\nIO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU\n\nThanks.\n-Merv\n","376":"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)\nSubject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die\nArticle-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.194913.29264\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <C52nnt.J3I@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes) writes:\n}start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB,\n}and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna\n\nNext time make the numbers more believable -- this is poor flamebait.\n120 DB is getting close to the sound of a jumbo jet engine at takeoff\nrevs from some small number of yards away. It is certainly right\naround the pain threshold for humans. No way in hell the state permits\n110 DB if they have any standard at all.\n\n-- \nCurtis Jackson\t   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com\t'91 Hawk GT\t'81 Maxim 650\nDoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix \"Studley Doright\"  '92 Collie\/Golden \"George\"\n\"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom\n in the guise of public safety.\" -- Thomas Jefferson\n","377":"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: Americans and Evolution\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 30\n\nRobert Singleton (bobs@thnext.mit.edu) wrote:\n\n: > Sure it isn't mutually exclusive, but it lends weight to (i.e. increases\n: > notional running estimates of the posterior probability of) the \n: > atheist's pitch in the partition, and thus necessarily reduces the same \n: > quantity in the theist's pitch. This is because the `divine component' \n: > falls prey to Ockham's Razor, the phenomenon being satisfactorily \n:                                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n: > explained without it, and there being no independent evidence of any \n:   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n: > such component. More detail in the next post.\n: > \n\nOccam's Razor is not a law of nature, it is way of analyzing an\nargument, even so, it interesting how often it's cited here and to\nwhat end. \nIt seems odd that religion is simultaneously condemned as being\nprimitive, simple-minded and unscientific, anti-intellectual and\nchildish, and yet again condemned as being too complex (Occam's\nrazor), the scientific explanation of things being much more\nstraightforeward and, apparently, simpler. Which is it to be - which\nis the \"non-essential\", and how do you know?\nConsidering that even scientists don't fully comprehend science due to\nits complexity and diversity. Maybe William of Occam has performed a\nlobotomy, kept the frontal lobe and thrown everything else away ...\n\nThis is all very confusing, I'm sure one of you will straighten me out\ntough.\n\nBill\n","378":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: As today marks the 78th anniversary of the Turkish Genocide...\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 65\n\nIn article <48299@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator) writes:\n\n>or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan, would like to see \n>it happen again...\n\nIs this the joke of the month? \n\n1. Your fascist grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people\nbetween 1914 and 1920.\n\n2. Your Nazi parents fully participated in the extermination of the\nEuropean Jewry during WWII.\n\n3. Your criminal cousins have been slaughtering Muslim women, children\nand elderly people in fascist x-Soviet Armenia and Karabag for the last \nfour years.\n\nThe entire population of x-Soviet Armenia now, as a result of the \nGenocide of 2.5 million Muslim people, are Armenians. \n\nFor nearly one thousand years, the Turkish and Kurdish people \nlived on their homeland - the last one hundred under the \noppressive Soviet and Armenian occupation. The persecutions\nculminated in 1914: The Armenian Government planned and carried \nout a Genocide against its Muslim subjects. 2.5 million Turks \nand Kurds were murdered and the remainder driven out of their \nhomeland. After one thousand years, Turkish and Kurdish lands \nwere empty of Turks and Kurds. \n\nThe survivors found a safe heaven in Turkiye.\n\nToday, x-Soviet Armenian government rejects the right of Turks and \nKurds to return to their Muslim lands occupied by x-Soviet Armenia.\n\nToday, x-Soviet Armenian government covers up the genocide perpetrated \nby its predecessors and is therefore an accessory to this crime against \nhumanity.\n\nx-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide \nagainst the Muslims by admitting to the crime and making reparations \nto the Turks and Kurds.\n\nTurks and Kurds demand the right to return to their lands, to determine \ntheir own future as a nation in their own homeland.\n\nDuring the 78th Anniversary, we come once again reiterate the\nunity of the Muslim People, the timelessness of the Turkish\nand Kurdish Demands and the desire to pursue the struggle\nfor that restitution - a struggle that unites all Turks and Kurds.\n\nToday, we appeal to all Turkish and Kurdish people in the United \nStates and Canada to participate en masse in the Commemorative \nEvents, be they cultural, political or religious.\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","379":"From: sreck@rebox.in-berlin.de (Stefan Reck)\nSubject: Re: Adaptec ACB-2322: what is it?\nDistribution: world               \nOrganization: REBOX's Host, Berlin, Germany\nLines: 14\nX-Newsreader: NWREADER [version 3.02]\n\nwright@lims01.lerc.nasa.gov (Ted Wright) writes:\n>\n> An Adaptec ACB-2322 rev B disk controller has come into my hands with\n> no documentation. Is this an ESDI controller? MFM? RLL? Something else?\n> The BIOS on it is dated 1987, if that is any help.\n\nI think it is an ESDI controller if you need the doco i can help you.\n\n  Stefan\n\n--\nStefan Reck  |  INET : sreck@rebox.in-berlin.de\nBerlin       |---------------------------------------------------------------\nGermany      |                     that's all\n","380":"From: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk (G. Coulter)\nSubject: SHADOW Optical Raytracing Package?\nReply-To: g.coulter@daresbury.ac.uk\nOrganization: SERC Daresbury Laboratory, UK\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dlsg.dl.ac.uk\n\nHi Everyone ::\n\nI am  looking for  some software  called SHADOW as \nfar as  I know  its a   simple  raytracer  used in\nthe  visualization  of  synchrotron   beam  lines.\nNow we have  an  old  version of the  program here\n,but unfortunately we don't have any documentation\nif anyone knows  where I  can  get  some  docs, or\nmaybe  a  newer  version  of  the program or  even \nanother  program that does the same sort of  thing\nI would love to hear from you.\n\nPS I think SHADOW was written by a F Cerrina?\n\nAnyone any ideas?\n\nThanks -Gary- SERC Daresbury Lab.\n","381":"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: The Evidence\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <115298@bu.edu>, kane@buast7.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) writes:\n> BK:\n# ##So tell me---what's immoral about homosexuality?\n# \n# CC:\n# #The promiscuity and fetishism that characterizes it.\n# \n# Hmmm.\n# \n# I've told you more than once that I've been monogamous for almost 4 years\n# now, and that I really don't get into fetishes.\n\nThen you are nearly the only homosexual who is.  I don't believe you.\nYou've changed your story before.\n\n# Yet you maintain my homosexual activity is still immoral.\n# \n# Care to elaborate?\n# \n# For that matter, explain why fetishes are immoral?\n# \n# kane@{buast7,astro}.bu.edu (Hot Young Star) Astronomy Dept, Boston University,\n\nThe fact that your fetish is more important than who you are making\nlove to.  (Actually, in your case, \"having sex with.\")\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n","382":"From: joan@koala.berkeley.edu ()\nSubject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks\nOrganization: U.C. Berkeley\nLines: 40\nNNTP-Posting-Host: koala.berkeley.edu\n\nIn article <C5Lrpq.50o@idacom.hp.com> guy@idacom.hp.com (Guy M. Trotter) writes:\n>\n>Hi,\n>\n>In Canada, any gun that enters a National Park must be sealed (I think it's a\n>small metal tag that's placed over the trigger).  The net result of this is\n>that you _can't_ use a gun to protect yourself from bears (or psychos) in the\n>National Parks.  Instead, one has to be sensitive to the dangers and annoyances\n>of hiking in bear country, and take the appropriate precautions.\n>\n>I think this policy makes the users of the National Parks feel a little closer\n>to Nature, that they are a part of Nature and, as such, have to deal with\n>nature on it's own terms.\n>\n>Guy\n\nHello,\n\n\tI understand this philosophy.  The bears are a national\ntreasure, the area is their sanctuary and people who enter it\ndo so at their own risk.  It is better that that rare human be\nkilled by a bear than that bears be provoked or shot by unbear-savvy\nvisitors.  The bears aren't having a population explosion, humans\nare so it is better that a human be killed than endanger the bears.\nI don't agree with this philosopy, but I understand it.\n\n\tThe psychos are a bit different.  They are not a national\ntreasure but I suppose the decision has been made that to \"allow\"\nprovision for defense against them would also \"allow\" provision\nfor defense against bears.  Again, I suppose it has been decided\nthat it is better for the rare human to be killed by a psycho than\nto take a chance on threatening the bears.\n\n\tPersonally, I wouldn't go into an area where I would be\n\"managed\" so as to reduce my safety ..... but ... come to think\nof it I guess I live in a managed wilderness myself :-)\n\nJoan V  \n\n\n","383":"From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)\nSubject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test\nOrganization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <16BB1B92B.DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu.Ext> DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu writes:\n>You think that you all have it bad....here at good ol' Southwest Missouri\n>State U., we have 2 parties running for student body president.  There's the\n>token sorority\/fraternity faces, and then there's the president and vice\n>president of NORML.  They campaigned by handing out condoms and listing\n>their qualifications as,\"I listen really well.\"  It makes me sick to have\n>a party established on many of the things that are ruining this country like\n>they are.  I think I'll run next year.:(\n\nWell, a student body president can't exactly campaign on the stand\nthat he's \"tough on crime\".  Their job is to listen to what people want\nand fund things that make sense.\n\nCondoms and marijuana aren't exactly the worst things to have available\neither...\n\n   don\n","384":"From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)\nSubject: Re: Happy Easter!\nOrganization: Computer Science Dept, QMW, University of London\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 37\n\nNick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:\n: kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:\n\nJonathan Quist bemoaned:\n\n: : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes \nof A.M.,\n: : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have \nnon-British\n: : |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing\n\nLotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was \nlate and too pricey.  If they can write off the Elan development costs the may \nbe able to sell them for a sensible price.\n\n\n: : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it\n: : it must be a British company\/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not\n: : the name.\n\n: : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch\n\n: I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate\n: company from the RR Aero-Engine company. \n\nIt's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. \n\nAnd yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension.\n\nOb Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail \naddress so we can bung him on the Ogri list?\n\ndave\n--\nDavid Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk\nQueen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000\n\"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin.\"\n","385":"From: paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov (Sharon Paulson)\nSubject: Re: food-related seizures?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton VA, USA\nLines: 48\n\t<C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us> <C5x3L0.3r8@athena.cs.uga.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cmb00.larc.nasa.gov\nIn-reply-to: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu's message of Fri, 23 Apr 1993 03:41:24 GMT\n\nIn article <C5x3L0.3r8@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n\n   Newsgroups: sci.med\n   Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!emory!athena!aisun3.ai.uga.edu!mcovingt\n   From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\n   Sender: usenet@athena.cs.uga.edu\n   Nntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu\n   Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\n   References: <PAULSON.93Apr19081647@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> <116305@bu.edu> <C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us>\n   Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 03:41:24 GMT\n   Lines: 27\n\n   In article <C5uq9B.LrJ@toads.pgh.pa.us> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n   >In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes:\n   >>\n   >>Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the\n   >>literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains\n   >>tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might\n   >>potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it.\n   >>Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested.\n   >\n   >Years ago when I was an intern, an obese young woman was brought into\n   >the ER comatose after having been reported to have grand mal seizures\n   >why attending a \"corn festival\".  We pumped her stomach and obtained\n   >what seemed like a couple of liters of corn, much of it intact kernals.  \n   >After a few hours she woke up and was fine.  I was tempted to sign her out as\n   >\"acute corn intoxication.\"\n   >----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n   >Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\n\n   How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin???\n\n\n\n   -- \n   :-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    *****\n   :-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  *********\n   :-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  *\n   :-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <><\n\nWhat is aflatoxin?\n\nSharon\n--\nSharon Paulson                      s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov\nNASA Langley Research Center\nBldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156           Work: (804) 864-2241\nHampton, Virginia.  23681           Home: (804) 596-2362\n","386":"From: betts@netcom.com (Jonathan Betts)\nSubject: Where to find CHEAP LCD displays?\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 32\n\nSci.E(E) netters:\n\nI am setting out to build and market a small electronic device that \nrequires an LCD display.  All of the analog electronics are working \nfine, I have ordered a PIC ICE (not vice versa) since the PICs are so \ncheap and low-power, but I am having a devil of a time finding any \nLCD displays in the 6-8 digit range that are priced as low as I need.  I \nam looking for somthing in the range of $1 in quantities of about \n1000-10,000.\n\nMainstream distributors like Almac cannot help me without a part \nnumber, or when they do look around for something in their line \nthey find a $15 8-digit LCD.  Even Digikey's cheapest offering is $5 in \nquantity.\n\nI know LCD displays like this must exist because I see whole \ncalculators for sale for $4.99, meaning the retailer probably buys it \nfor $3.50 and the wholesaler probably gets it for $2.50 or so.  This \n$2.50 includes assembly labor, packaging, sales, transportation, \nimport duties, the case and keyboard, the PC Board, the processor \nchip, the solar cell --- and the LCD.  The LCD can't cost much.\n\nIf anyone could put me in touch with some manufacturers and\/or \ndistributors that handle such things I would be much obliged.\n\n-Joe Betts\nbetts@netcom.com\n\n\nP.S.  I have tried tearing apart several cheap consumer devices that \nhave LCDs only to find that the LCDs are unlabelled.  Has anyone else \nhad better luck with this strategy?\n","387":"From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson)\nSubject: Re: Atheists and Hell\nReply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu\nOrganization: not Sun Microsystems\nLines: 38\n\nIn article 29279@athos.rutgers.edu, atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:\n\n>  I have seen two common threads running through postings by atheists on the \n>newsgroup, and I think that they can be used to explain each other.  \n>Unfortunately I don't have direct quotes handy...\n\n>1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever.\n\n>2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death\n>   is unfair.\n\n>  I don't see what the problem is!  To Christians, Hell is, by definition, \n>eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die.\n\nThis is the problem. This is not hell, this is permanent death. It is\nindeed what atheists (generally) expect and it is neither fair nor\nunfair, it just is. You might as well argue about whether being made\nmostly of carbon and water is \"fair\".\n\nHowever, the atheists who claim that Hell is unfair are talking about\nthe fire and brimstone place of endless suffering, which necessarily\nincludes eternal existance (life, I dunno, but some sort of continuation);\nnot at all the same thing.\n\nGranted, you clearly feel that hell=death, but this is not a univeral\nsentiment as near as I can tell.\n\nIf *your* idea of God \"condemns\" heathens to ordinary death, I have no\nproblem with that. I do have a problem with the gods that hide from humans\nand torture the unbelievers eternally for not guessing right.\n\n[deletia- Hell, and Literalness.]\n\n---\n\t\t\t- Dan Johnson\nAnd God said \"Jeeze, this is dull\"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0\n\nThese opinions probably show what I know.\n","388":"From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)\nSubject: FOR SALE: 550 ZEPHYR\nSummary: Tucson Area, moving to Bay Area\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 24\n\nHi boys and girls.  I just bought a Beemer R80GS and realized abruptly that \nI am a grad student.  I first sold my truck yesterday but I need to sell my \nZephyr too.\n\nIf I can sell it this month, great ... insurance and tags both run out in\na couple of weeks.  Otherwise I'll tag and insure it and see what happens.\n\nIt's a very sweet bike.  6100 miles, almost all highway (AZ-WY-CO last summer,\nplus some great rides between here and the Border.  Purchased new exactly\none year ago (Apr '92), it's a '90 model.  It has a good fairing and a\nluggage rack.  Red; very clean.  Perfect maintenance, no bullshit.   I'll spare\nany further details other than to say (1) I want to keep it, and (2) somebody\n5'7\" +\/- 5\" will fit it like a charm.  Not a bike for big people, but not a\nsmall bike.  Standard, upright positioning and good-looking.  Smooth power,\ngreat brakes, good Karma.\n\n\t\t\t\t- Erik\n\n\/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\\\n|                                                                |\n|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |\n| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |\n| '86 BMW R80GS                                                  |\n\\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------\/\n","389":"From: mark@ocsmd.ocs.com (Mark Wilson)\nSubject: WANTED: The Nine-Mile Walk\nOrganization: Online Computer Systems, Inc.\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nDistribution: misc.forsale\nLines: 31\n\n[ Article crossposted from rec.arts.books ]\n[ Author was Mark Wilson ]\n[ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 11:55:55 GMT ]\n\nI am looking for the following book, which I have\nonly seen as a paperback (I lent my copy to someone,\nand forgetfulness has made that pronoun PERMANENTLY\nindeterminate!).  I am looking for one OR two copies!\n\nTitle: The Nine-Mile Walk and Other Stories\n        (unsure about the hyphen and the exact subtitle)\nAuthor: Harry Kemelman (author of all the \"Rabbi\" mysteries)\n\nIt's a collection of short mystery stories.  Please email\nmark@ocsmd.ocs.com OR call the 800 number given below.\nThanks!\n\n- Mark\n--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMark Wilson, Online Computer Systems.  1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215\n(Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....)\nThis file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it!\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMark Wilson, Online Computer Systems.  1-800-922-9204 or 1-301-601-2215\n(Try email address mark@ocsmd.ocs.com....)\nThis file .disclaims everything signed with my .signature, I .mean it!\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","390":"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nLines: 19\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\n\nfrank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n> I am not a Christian, however I suspect that all flavours of \n> Christianity hold that (a) objective morality exists and (b) their\n> particular interpretation of scripture\/revelation\/TV is a goodly glimpse\n> of it.  That they may all disagree about (b) says nothing about the truth \n> or falsehood of (a).\n\nActually, they generally claim that (b) their particular interpretation of\nscripture\/revelation *is* this objective morality.  That there are two\nconflicting versions of this objective morality does tell us something about\n(a).  It tells us at least one fake objective morality exists.\n\nThe next logical step is to deduce that any given religion's objective\nmorality could be the fake one.  So caveat emptor.\n\n\nmathew\n-- \nAtheism: Anti-virus software for the mind.\n","391":"From: jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll)\nSubject: Re: New planet\/Kuiper object found?\nOrganization: University of Western Ontario, London\nDistribution: sci\nNntp-Posting-Host: prism.engrg.uwo.ca\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <STEINLY.93Apr23130246@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:\n>In article <1r9de3INNjkv@gap.caltech.edu> jafoust@cco.caltech.edu (Jeff Foust) writes:\n>\n>   In a recent article jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:\n>   >\tIf the  new  Kuiper belt object *is*  called 'Karla', the next\n>   >one  should be called 'Smiley'.\n>\n>   Unless I'm imaging things, (always a possibility =) 1992 QB1, the Kuiper Belt\n>   object discovered last year, is known as Smiley.\n>\n>As it happens the _second_ one is Karla. The first one was\n>Smiley. All subject to the vagaries of the IAU of course,\n>but I think they might let this one slide...\n\n\tGee, I feel so ignorant now...\n\n\tResearch, then post.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tJames Nicoll\n\n","392":"From: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book)\nSubject: Re: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games\nOrganization: UC San Diego Chemistry\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemw2.ucsd.edu\n\n\nThanks, Steve, for your helpful and informative comments on Mac stereo\nsound.\n\nToo bad some developers aren't addressing the problem.\n\nThis did make my trusty old Mac II superior to the Quadra I replaced\nit with in one way though!  :)\n\n\nThanks,\n\nDoug\n","393":"From: dingman+@cs.cmu.edu (Christopher Dingman)\nSubject: Re: Buying a high speed v.everything modem\nNntp-Posting-Host: pie9.mach.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.001127.4928@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> behr@math.ilstu.edu (Eric Behr) writes:\n>\n>The AT&T Dataport earns nearly unanimous praises for reliability. They are\n>backordered at the moment, probably because of the special $299 price in\n>effect until May. Its fax capabilities are worse than that of the other two\n>modems. WARNING: AT&T ads say that the modem comes with a Mac kit (cables &\n>all), and has lifetime warranty. This applies *only* when you order\n>directly from Paradyne! I called ElekTek (one of the distributors), and\n>they wanted to charge me $16 for cable, and gave only 1 year warranty...\n>\n\nHmm, I don't know where this information concerning the cable and the\nwarranty came from but I ordered mine from Logos Communications, near\nCleveland, and inside was a Mac cable (with the correct pin connections :-))\nand a lifetime warranty.  The whole package was assembled at AT&T Paradyne,\nand every piece (the serial cable, the telephone cable, etc.) had AT&T \npart numbers on them, except the QuickLink software package and the \nCompuServe intro kit.\n\n>-- \n>Eric Behr, Illinois State University, Mathematics Department\n>behr@math.ilstu.edu   or   behr@ilstu.bitnet  (please avoid!)\n\nIf anyone's interested, Logos number is (800) 837-7777.  I ordered mine\nlast Wednesday and got my modem on Friday, though it's not to far from\nCleveland to Pittsburgh.. :-)  On the down side they only ship UPS COD.\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t- Chris\n\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n|  Christopher P. Dingman                                                  |\n|  Electrical and Computer Eng. Dept.                  dingman@ece.cmu.edu |\n|  Carnegie Mellon University                          (412) 268-7119      |\n|  5000 Forbes Ave                                                         |\n|  Pittsburgh, PA  15213                                                   |\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n","394":"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Enough Freeman Bashing!  Was: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freemanwith blood greetings from Israel\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5I6JG.BM1@eis.calstate.edu> mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes:\n>pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes:\n>\n>\n>Peter,\n>\n>I believe this is your most succinct post to date. Since you have nothing\n>to say, you say nothing! It's brilliant. Did you think of this all by\n>yourself?\n>\n>-marc \n>--\n\nHey tough guy, read the topic.  That's the message.  Get a brain.  Go to \na real school.\n\n\n\n","395":"From: carlj@mugwump (Carl Johnson)\nSubject: xterm and default text cursor color\nReply-To: carlj@cyclone.bt.co.uk\nOrganization: British Telecom Research Labs\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mugwump.muppet.bt.co.uk\n\nWhat I want to be able to do is to set the cursor\ncolor to the same as the forground color that is set\nfor that xterm.\n\nFrom the man page.....\n\n-cr color\n This option specifies the color to use for text cur-\n sor.   The  default  is  to  use the same foreground  <---\n color that is used for text.  <---\n\nHowever this doesnt seem to be the case, it appears to default to black\nor to whatever XTerm*cursorColor is set to.\n\nFeel free to point me at the relevant FM or whatever,\nCheers,\nC\n","396":"From: Don_Alder@mindlink.bc.ca (Don Alder)\nSubject: Bware of JayHayes\/Deleware\nOrganization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada\nLines: 10\n\nHad a deal with Jay Hayes from Deleware and was ripped off do not deal with\nthis guy and if you know him go to his door with a bat! He lives in Deleware\nand I will post his full address later as well as his phone number in case\nany on e else wants to call and leave nasty messages. He will not return\nemail and he will not return my phone calls I left a message iwth hgis\nroomate to call collect and hes not man enough. He still maintains net\nprivilages, can we somehow get this turkey off the net.\n\nDA\n\n","397":"From: grape@suned1.Nswses.Navy.MIL (Mike Grapevine)\nSubject: subscribe\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 1\nTo: expert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\tsubscribe grape@nswses.navy.mil\n","398":"From: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)\nSubject: Re: Immotile Cilia Syndrome\nArticle-I.D.: pitt.19423\nReply-To: km@cs.pitt.edu (Ken Mitchum)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Mar26.213522.26224@ncsu.edu> andrea@unity.ncsu.edu (Andrea M Free-Kwiatkowski) writes:\n>I would like to know if there is any new information out there about the\n>subject or any new studies being conducted.  I am confident in my\n>pediatrician and her communication with the people in Chapel Hill, but\n>since this is a life-long disorder and genetically transferred I would\n>like keep current.  I do realize that since this is a relatively new\n>disorder (first documented in 1974 in a fertility clinic in Scandanavia)\n>and is therefore \"controversial\".\n\nI do not know a lot about this, except from seeing one patient with\n\"Kartagener's syndrome\", which is a form of immotile cilia syndrome\nin which there is situs inversus, bronchiectasis, and chronic\ninfections. \"Situs inversus\" means that organs are on the wrong\nside of the body, and can be complete or partial. It is interesting\nmedically because the normal location of organs is caused in part\nby the \"normal\" rotation associated with ciliary motion, so that in\nabsence of this, laterality can be \"random.\" People with situs\ninversus are quite popular at medical schools, because of their\nrarity, and the fact that most doctors get a bit upset when they\ncan't find the patient's heart sounds (because they're on the wrong\nside). \n\nAccording to Harrison's, immotile cilia syndrom is an autosomal\nrecessive, which should imply that on average one child in four\nin a family would be affected. But there may be much more current\ninformation on this, and as usual in medicine, we may be talking\nabout more than one conditiion. I would suggest that you ask your\npediatrician about contacting a medical geneticics specialist, of\nwhich there is probably one at NCSU.\n\n-km\n","399":"From: hsieh@ipld04.hac.com (Julia Hsieh)\nSubject: How to reach Micron\nDistribution: na\nLines: 15\n\n\nDoes anyone know how to reach Micron?  I am interested in getting some\nspecifics about what types of monitors work with their Micron Xceed\ncard for the se\/30.  either e-mail or phone number would be prefered.\nOr if you have the answers to my questions, i'd appreciate a reply.\n\nThanks.\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------\njulia hsieh              My opinions are not intended to reflect\nhsieh@ipld01.hac.com     those of Hughes Aircraft Company.\n----------------------------------------------------------------\n","400":"From: hooper@ccs.QueensU.CA (Andy Hooper)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: Queen's University, Kingston\nDistribution: na\nLines: 3\n\nIsn't Clipper a trademark of Fairchild Semiconductor?\n\nAndy Hooper\n","401":"From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)\nSubject: Re: ABC coverage\nReply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)\nOrganization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.\nDistribution: usa\n\n\nIn article <9454@blue.cis.pitt.edu> ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen) writes:\n>   Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it just\n>Pittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?)  For all of you\n>who are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all the \n>production, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even \n>reaped any $ made...\n\nIn the interests of saving badnwidth during this \"heated\" time of the\nyear (viz. the early flurry of \"retard\" comments coming from a certain\nstate whose name starts with P and ends with A), why don't you tell us\nsomething we don't already know?\n\nGeorge\n-- \nGeorge Ferguson                 ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu\nDept. of Computer Science       UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson\nUniversity of Rochester         VOX:  (716) 275-2527\nRochester  NY  14627-0226       FAX:  (716) 461-2018\n","402":"From: davidj@rahul.net (David Josephson)\nSubject: Re: MICROPHONE PRE-AMP\/LOW NOISE\/PHANTOM POWERED\nNntp-Posting-Host: bolero\nOrganization: a2i network\nLines: 26\n\nIn <C5JJJ2.1tF@cmcl2.nyu.edu> ali@cns.nyu.edu (Alan Macaluso) writes:\n\n>I'm looking to build a microphone preamp that has very good low-noise characteristics,  large clean gain, and incorportates phantom power (20-48 volts (dc)) for a PZM microphone.  I'm leaning towards a good, low-cost (??) instrumentation amplifier to maintain the balanced input from the microphone, for its good CMRR, internal compensation, and because i can use a minimal # of parts.  \n\n>Does anyone out there have any experience, suggestions, advice, etc...that they'd like to pass on, I'd greatly appreciate it.\n\n\n>---\n>A l a n  M a c a l u s o\t\t \tPURPLE MOON GIANTS\n>ali@cns.nyu.edu  \t\t\t\t158 E. 7th. St. #B5\n>(212) 998-7837\t\t\t\t\tNYC  10009\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t(212) 982-6630\n\n>\t\t\n\n\nWithout doing anything really tricky, the best I've seen is the\nBurr-Brown INA103. Their databook shows a good application of this\nchip as a phantom power mic pre.\n\n>\t        \n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJosephson Engineering, San Jose California      MICROPHONES\nTel\/ 408-238-6062  Fax\/ 408-238-6022            INSTRUMENTATION\nemail:david@josephson.com  ftp info from: rahul.net \/pub\/davidj\/\n","403":"From: mulvey@blurt.oswego.edu (Allen Mulvey, SUNY, Oswego, NY)\nSubject: Re: Memory Slot Problem\nOrganization: SUNY College at Oswego, Oswego, NY\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1qiijs$t27@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, ralf@wpi.WPI.EDU (Ralph Valentino) writes:\n> I finally decided to upgrade my 486-33 EISA's memory from 8 Meg to 16\n> Meg - two months after the parts warranty ran out on the (Anigma)\n> motherboard - two months too late.  It seems there's a problem with\n> one or both of the two 1M\/2Mx36bit sim slots in bank B.  On boot I get\n> a pattern test failure at address 0xa00000 and the system deconfigures\n> the top 6 Meg.  The sims are good, I tried rotating all of them into\n> bank A.  On one of the configurations, however, the pattern test\n... deletions...\n> failed at 0x800000.  In all tests, the pattern that appeared was the\n same as the pattern if no sim was in place.  This leads me to believe\n> the one or two of the connector address pins are at fault and, with a\n> lot of luck, might be patchable.\n\n> \n> -Ralph\n> ===============\n> Ralph Valentino   (ralf@chpc.org)  (ralf@wpi.wpi.edu)\n> Hardware Engineer,  Worcester  Polytechnic  Institute\n> Center for High Performance Computing, Marlborough MA\n\nMany motherboards have jumpers to enable\/disable the memory banks.  Did you \ncheck that out?\n\n\t\t\tAllen mulvey\n\t\t\tmulvey@blurt.oswego.edu\n","404":"From: smckinty@sunicnc.France.Sun.COM (Steve McKinty - SunConnect ICNC)\nSubject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\nOrganization: SunConnect\nLines: 26\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.france.sun.com\nKeywords: Nuclear\n\nIn article <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>, swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-) writes:\n> \n> \n> I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that\n> this board would be most appropriate.\n> I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that\n> are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders\n> that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the\n> actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called\n> 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?\n\nWater. Nuclear stations don't generate electricity directly from the\nreactor, they use the reactor to generate heat. The heat is then used to\nheat water just as in a conventional oil or coal station, and the\nresultant steam drives the turbines.\n\nThe cooling towers are used to cool the steam and recondense it into water\nto continue the cycle\n\nSteve\n\n-- \nSteve McKinty\nSun Microsystems ICNC\n38240 Meylan, France\nemail: smckinty@france.sun.com\t   BIX: smckinty\n","405":"From: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))\nSubject: Re: Advise needed in buying Automobile\nReply-To: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com (Antonio L. Balsamo (Save the wails))\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nLines: 20\n\n\nFrom: thwang@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Tommy Hwang)\nSubject: Advise needed in buying Automobile\n\n   >I am in search of a dependable automobile to purchase.  Below\n   >are its requirements:\n   >\t5. V6 or above\n\n       Most of the cars you mentioned are below (smaller than) V6 engine.\n\n   Tony\n--\n\n                  +--------------------------------------+\n                  |   Name: Antonio L. Balsamo           |\n                  |Company: Digital Equipment Corp.      |\n                  |         Shrewsbury, Mass.            |\n                  | Work #: (508) 841-2039               |\n                  | E-mail: balsamo@stargl.enet.dec.com  |\n                  +--------------------------------------+\n","406":"From: riel@unixg.ubc.ca (William Riel)\nSubject: Re: Travesty at the Joe Louis\nOrganization: University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., Canada\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unixg.ubc.ca\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.005512.3382@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:\n>(Detroit, April 19)\n>\n>In a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings\n>scored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en\n>route to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs. \n\nNot only that, but if I'm not mistaken Detroit scored 4 goals on their first\nfive shots on net...looks like Toronto's cream cheese run continues (or is\nthat swiss cheese? after watching Potvin I'm leaning towards the latter)\n\nBill   \n","407":"From: N.R.Ellis@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel R. Ellis)\nSubject: Keyboard map for UK type 5 keyboard under X11\/R5?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ws-ai3.dur.ac.uk\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nReply-To: N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk\nOrganization: Computer Science, University of Durham, Durham, UK. DH1 3LE\nLines: 16\n\nHi,\n\ndoes anyone have a keyboard map for a Sun UK type 5 keyboard for use under\nX11\/R5 ?\n\nThanks,\n\nNigel.\n\n--\n============================================================================\n| Nigel R Ellis, Artificial Intelligence Group, | N.R.Ellis@durham.ac.uk   |\n| Computer Science, University of Durham,       | Phne: +44.91.374.2549    |\n| Durham. England DH1 3LE                       | Fax : +44.91.374.3741    |\n============================================================================\n\n","408":"From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is \nOrganization: Who, me???\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.010329.23133@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith \"Justified And Ancient\" Cochran) writes:\n>[Followups set out of talk.abortion...]\n>\n>In article <C5Fuo2.FF8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:\n>>Am I reading this thread wrong or is this just another bemoaning of the fact\n>>that Christianity has a code of objective morality?\n>\n>Please define this \"objective morality\".\n>\n>While you're at it, please state the theory of creationism.\n\nStill searching for an irrelevant issue in which to mire a pro-lifer, I see.\nSlimy tactic.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t- Kevin\n","409":"From: edb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu (E.B.)\nSubject: POV problems with tga outputs\nOrganization: Texas A&M University, College Station, TX\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tamsun.tamu.edu\n\nI can't fiqure this out.  I have properly compiled pov on a unix machine\nrunning SunOS 4.1.3  The problem is that when I run the sample .pov files and\nuse the EXACT same parameters when compiling different .tga outputs.  Some\nof the .tga's are okay, and other's are unrecognizable by any software.\n\nHelp!\ned\nedb9140@tamsun.tamu.edu\n\n","410":"From: mjp@austin.ibm.com  (Michael Phelps)\nSubject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns?\nOriginator: mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com\nReply-To: mjp@vnet.ibm.com (Michael J. Phelps)\nOrganization: IBM Kingston NY\nKeywords: handgun mace pepper-spray taser tasp phaser\nLines: 27\n\n\nholland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:\n|> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets.\n|> Would those work very well in stopping an attack?\n|> \n|> \t\t\t\t\t\tDoug Holland\n\n Any projectile traveling at or near typical bullet speeds is potentially\nlethal.  Even blanks [which have no projectile] can cause death if the\nmuzzle is in close proximity to the victim.  I have heard of rubber or\nplastic bullets being used effectively during riot situations [where the\nintent is crowd control, rather than close range self defense]; i've also\nseen reports of deaths caused by them [the British in Northern Ireland].\n Use of a firearm for self defense is appropriate and lawful only in the\ngravest of situations; at that point, i consider deadly [lethal] force to \nbe a proper reaction [and so does the law].  \n Furthermore, use of less effective [but still potentially lethal] force\nhas its own set of problems.  It may well take more applications of the\nless effective force to stop the incident; this places all parties at some\nrisk; the victim because the attack has not stopped, and the assailent \nsince the aggregate damage done by the multiple applications may well be\nmore deadly.\n\n-- \nMichael Phelps, (external) mjp@vnet.ibm.com ..\n                (internal) mjp@bwa.kgn.ibm.com .. mjp at kgnvmy         \n (and last but not least a disclaimer)  These opinions are mine..       \n","411":"From: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us (Tony DeBari)\nSubject: Re: FileManager: strange sizes in summary line\nOrganization: Lost In Space\nLines: 32\n\nIn <1993Apr21.143250.14692@bmers145.bnr.ca> masika@bnr.ca (Nicholas Masika) writes:\n>I have just noticed my FileManager doing something strange recently.\n>Usually, the line at the bottom of the FileManager (the status bar, I\n>guess) displays the total disk space and the total number of bytes for\n>the current selection.  If I select a whole bunch of files, I will get\n>an exact byte count.\n\n>Recently, I notice it incorrectly displays this count; it's truncating!\n>If I select a file that is, say, 532 bytes, it correctly displays '532 bytes'.\n>If I select select a file that is 23,482 bytes, it displays '23 bytes', \n>not 23 Kbytes, just 23 bytes!  If I select 893,352 it will report only\n>893 bytes in the selection.  If I select over a Meg worth of files, say\n>3,356,345 it reports 3 bytes!  It's as if it's got a problem with displaying\n>more than 3 characters!\n\n>My system: 486DX\/33, 8M memory, Stacker 3.0, DOS 5, Win 3.1.  I've run\n>the latest virus scanners (scan102, f-prot) and they didn't report anything.\n>Could I have unknowingly altered something that controls the formatting\n>of the status bar in the FileManger?\n\nIt sounds like something\/one may have set the 1000's separator to \".\" in\nContol Panel (under International).  This makes 23,482 look like 23.482\nand File Manager is chopping off what it thinks is the decimal part of\nthe file size. 3,356,345 becomes 3.356.345, and again, File Manager is\nconfused by the decimal points where there should be commas, chopping\noff everything to the right of the first period.\n\n-- \nTony DeBari          FQDN: tonyd@ssc60.sbwk.nj.us     CI$: 73117,452\n                     UUCP: ...!uunet!ssc60!tonyd      *P*: GHRW14B\n\na.k.a. Skip Bowler, captain of USENET Fantasy Bowling League Team 9.\n","412":"From: geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nNntp-Posting-Host: ogmore.cs.ucla.edu\nOrganization: UCLA, Computer Science Department\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:\n\n> fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege.  Don't give up the\n> right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton\n> and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing,\n> figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through).\n\nIt always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever\nadministration is current for things they couldn't possibly have\ninitiated.  This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already\nwe're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us.\nBullshit.  The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were\nresponsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the\nnew presidency as a fait accompli.  That doesn't excuse Clinton and\nGore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay\nthe body at the proper door to start with.\n-- \n\tGeoff Kuenning\tgeoff@maui.cs.ucla.edu\tgeoff@ITcorp.com\n","413":"From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)\nSubject: Re: MC SBI mixer\nArticle-I.D.: ssc.1993Apr21.183146.19241\nOrganization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA\nLines: 17\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\n\nMark J. Musone (musone@acsu.buffalo.edu) wrote:\n: HI, I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me on twwo related\n: subjects. I am currently learning about AM\/FM receivers and recieving\n: circuits. \n: \n: P.S. any REALLY GOOD BOOKS on AM\/FM theory ALONG WITH DETAILED\n: ELECTRICAL DIAGRAMS would help a lot.\n: I have seen a lot of theory books with no circuits and a lot of\n: circuit books with no theory, but one without the other does not help.\n\nA pretty serious book that still seems readable is\n\nCommunication Receivers, Principes and Design\nby Rohde and Bucher.\n\n\nMark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  markz@ssc.com  \n","414":"From: manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das)\nSubject: Wanted sample source for editing controls\nOrganization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA\nLines: 18\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: todi.oas.olivetti.com\n\n\nHi Everyone,\n\nI would like to get an example program(source code) to get started with a simple\neditor (similar to windows dialog editor, but lot simplified) . Can someone\npoint me to a source such as a programming windows book, or example program\ncomes with Windows SDK (from Microsoft or Borland). I would greatly appreciate\nit.\n\nAll I want to do is to be able to place a edit control or combobox or a listbox\non a window and be able to drag and resize.\n\nIf anyone has written similar program and don't mind sharing code or ideas, \nI would appreciate it very much.\n\nThnx in advance, Manu Das\n\nPlease send me directly at manu@oas.olivetti.com\n","415":"From: keys@starchild.ncsl.nist.gov (Lawrence B. Keys)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: National Institute of Standards & Technology\nLines: 44\n\nIn article <1qk7t5$dg@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n>ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (\"Erik Velapoldi\") writes:\n>>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I\n>>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but\n>>20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??\n>\n>You make it sound like this behavior is new.  It isn't.  A lot of\n>pedestrian bridges have fencing that curls up over the sidewalk to\n>make this kind of think a lot harder to do.\n>\n>I don't understand the mentality myself, but then again I couldn't\n>figure out MOVE! (I'm glad they bombed 'em) or the Waco Wackos either.\n            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nI know that this isn't the group for it, but since you brought it up,\ndoes anyone have any idea why they haven't \"bombed\" the Waco cult?    \n\nJust curious.\n\n\n>\n>(Newsgroup list trimmed significantly)\n>\n>jim frost\n>jimf@centerline.com\n\n                                                  .  \n                                                 \/                \nLarry                            __\/    _______\/_                 \nkeys@csmes.ncsl.nist.gov       \/                  \\               \n                          _____     __     _____    \\------- ===\n            ----------- \/ ____\/   \/  \/   \/__  __\/              \\\n         \/     ___    \/  \/ ___   \/  \/      \/ \/    ____          |\n        |    \/      \\\/ \/__ \/  | \/  \/__  __\/ \/__ \/       \\      \/ \n        \/___         \\_______\/ \/_____\/ \/______\/            ====OO\n            \\       \/                           \\       \/         \n                -            1990 2.0 16v           -\n\n\n       ---------------- FAHRVERGNUGEN FOREVER! --------------------            \n            The fact that I need to explain it to you indicates\n            that you probably wouldn't understand anyway!\n       ------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","416":"From: fish@daacdev1.stx.com (John Vanderpool)\nSubject: anybody have patched version of xroach for tvtwm???\nOrganization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center - Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 19\n\ni read about the code you can put in to most applications so that\nthe virtual desktop stuff in tvtwm doesn't confuse them (or is the\napplication confusing the virtual-ness? [chicken & the egg?]\n\nbut wanted to see if it has been applied to a version of xroach\n\ni never could quite get ssetroot to work either? any suggestions.\nluckily xv -root -quit does the trick for the most part\n\nalso, i'ld be quite interested in hearing more about the icon region\nfor each virtual window under tvtwm that i read a thread on last week\nhere\n\tthanx,\n\t\tfish\n--\nJohn R. Vanderpool     INTERNET: fish@eosdata.gsfc.nasa.gov\nNASA\/GSFC\/HSTX         VOX: 301-513-1683                \n\"So you run, and you run, to catch up with the sun, but it's sinking,\n racing around to come up behind you again.\" -rw\/dg\n","417":"From: karenb@westford.ccur.com (Karen Bircsak)\nSubject: lost in (TekHVC color) space\nArticle-I.D.: westford.1993Apr6.160748.3794\nOrganization: Concurrent Computer Corp.  Westford, MA\nLines: 33\n\n(please respond via email!)\n\nHas anybody actually seen the Tek color space stuff working?  I'm not\nhaving any luck with either the xtici editor from export.lcs.mit.edu or with\nO'Reilly's ftp-able example xcms from ftp.uu.net.\n\nThe O'Reilly example fails for almost every set of inputs because\nXcmsTekHVCQueryMaxV returns a smaller value than XcmsTekHVCQueryMinV does\n(which makes no sense to me).\n\nThe xtici editor fails in XcmsStoreColors, apparently because the\nmathematical manipulations of the color specs results in invalid values.  So\nyou can't actually edit any colors.\n\nWe have X11 R5 patch level 22; 8-bit pseudoColor visual.  I've poked around \nin the xcms code in Xlib, but without some understanding of the theory I have \nno idea what's going wrong.  Can somebody confirm if either of the \nabove-mentioned programs work on their systems, or let me know if they fail \nfor you too?  Please include what hardware\/software\/patch levels you have.\n\nAny hints?\n\nPlease respond with email as I don't regularly read this group.\n\nThanks,\nKaren\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nKaren Bircsak\nConcurrent Computer Corporation\n\nkarenb@westford.ccur.com\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","418":"From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nLines: 15\n\nSender: \nReply-To: harmons@gyro.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)\nDistribution: \nOrganization: \/usr\/ens\/etc\/organization\nKeywords: \n\n\n>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins\n>left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?\n\nUnless they have been taught to \"neck rein\". Then the left rein is brought\nto bear on the left side of horse's neck to go right.\n\nEquestrian counter steering?\n","419":"From: cwikla@morrison.wri.com (John Cwikla)\nSubject: Pixmaps and colormaps sent through selections...\nSummary: Selections and Pixmaps\/Colormaps\nKeywords: Selections\nNntp-Posting-Host: morrison.wri.com\nOrganization: Wolfram Research, Inc.\nLines: 18\n\n\n\tI want to be able to send a Pixmap from one client to the next.\nAlong with this I want to send the Colormap and foreground and\nbackground pixel values.  So far not a problem, I can do\nthis with no problem.\n\n  However, once I have the Pixmap id and the Colormap id, how\ndo I go about telling the server that the second (receiving)\nclient now wants to have associations with the two id's?\n\n\tTIA,\n\n\tJohn\n--\no  John L. Cwikla                       o                            o\no  X Programmer                         o  X was never the first     o\no  Wolfram Research, Inc.               o   letter of the alphabet   o\no  cwikla@wri.com  (217) 398-0700       o                            o\n","420":"From: davpa@ida.liu.se (David Partain)\nSubject: Candida Albicans: what is it?\nOriginator: davpa@obel11\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of Linkoping\nLines: 11\n\n\nSomeone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, \na disease about which I can find no information.  Apparently it has something\nto do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly\nallergic to yeast.  Can anyone out there tell me any more about it?\n\nThanks.\n-- \nDavid Partain                   |  davpa@ida.liu.se\nIDA, University of Link\\\"oping  |  work phone:  +46 (013) 28 26 08\nS-581 83 Link\\\"oping, Sweden    |  telefax:     +46 (013) 28 26 66\n","421":"From: jkellett@netcom.com (Joe Kellett)\nSubject: Re: sex education\nOrganization: Netcom\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <Apr.20.03.01.57.1993.3782@geneva.rutgers.edu> bruce@liv.ac.uk (Bruce Stephens) writes:\n>I'd be fascinated to see such evidence, please send me your article!\n>On the negative side however, I suspect that any such simplistic link\n>    abstinence-education => decreased pregnancy,\n>    contraceptive-education => increased pregnancy\n>is false.  The US, which I'd guess has one of the largest proportion of \n>\"non-liberal\" sex education in the western world also has one of the highest\n>teenage pregnancy rates.  (Please correct me if my guess is wrong.)\n\nI've sent the article.  In terms of the group discussion, I wanted to point\nout that \"non-liberal education\" (head in the sand) is not the same as\n\"abstinence education\".\n\nWe had \"non-liberal education\" regarding drugs when I was a kid in the 60's,\nwhich didn't do us a lot of good.  But \"abstinence education\" regarding\ndrugs has proven effective, I think.\n\n-- \nJoe Kellett\njkellett@netcom.com\n","422":"From: todd@nickel.laurentian.ca\nSubject: Re: When are two people married in God's eyes?y\nOrganization: Laurentian University\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <Apr.24.01.08.03.1993.4202@geneva.rutgers.edu>, marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:\n\n> Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse...\n> At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the \"rock\", He said\n> whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and \n> whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven.\n> \n> Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be\n> done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest,\n> the couple and witnesses. \"Divorce\" is not allowed. But anullments\n> are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope \n> (not sure if the Pope delegates this function).\n> \nMaybe I'm a little tired but I can't seem to follow the logic here. If \nwhatever is held true on earth is held true in heaven how is it that a priest\n(RC only apparently) is required. \n\nIn fact if I read the next verse correctly (Matthew 18:19) I understand that\nfor a marriage to take place only two are required to agree on earth touching\none thing and it shall be done.\n\nTodd\n\n\n> -- \n> -------------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Mark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'\n> marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      |\n> The Lost Los Angelino              |\n\n[Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any completely precise\nstatements about what is needed.  (As usual, the current edition of\nthe Catholic Encyclopedia is frustratingly vague.)  I do know that the\npriest is viewed as a witness, and thus in some sense would not be\nrequired.  However part of the purpose of formal marriage is to avoid\nany ambiguity about who has and has not taken on the commitment.  The\ncommunity provides support to marriage, and in cases of problems are\ninvolved in helping to make sure that the people carry out as much of\ntheir commitment as possible.  Thus marriage must be a public\ncommitment.  The presence of a priest is required for a regular\nmarriage.  Where I'm not clear is exactly where the boundaries are in\nexceptional cases (\"valid but irregular\").  Ne Temere (1907) says that\nno marriage involving a Catholic is valid without a priest (according\nto the Oxford Dictionary of the Church), and they imply that the new\ncanon law retains this, but I'd rather see a more recent and\nauthoritative source.  Note that while a Catholic priest is required\nfor Catholics, the Catholic church does recognize marriage between\nbaptized non-Catholics as valid without a priest.  --clh]\n","423":"From: fpa1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams)\nSubject: Pork ( C-17 & C-5 was (Re: ABOLISH SELECTIVE SERVICE )\nOanization: Mississippi State University\nNntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nLines: 30\n\nmuellerm@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (Marc Mueller) writes:\n>fpa1@Trumpet.CC.MsState.Edu (Fletcher P Adams) writes:\n>>>\n>>>Eliminate the C-17 transport. \n>>\n>>Wrong.  We need its capability.  Sure it has its problems, ........\n>\n>If you read Aviation Week, the C-5 line can be reopened and the C-5s\n>would be delivered a year earlier and cost a billion less for the \n>program. Politically, though, the C-17 is popular pork.\n\nI do read Av Week and don't remember this.  Could you supply the date\nof the magazine?  As for C-17 vs. C-5 , the C-17 can't carry as much\nbut has more capability ( read : can land at smaller airfields of which\nthere are more of ) than the C-5.  Now is the C-17 pork?  It depends\non whether your job relies on it or not.  :)  In California right now,\nI would say that it is not pork since due to peace dividend so many \npeople are out of work. \n\n>The question is whether Les Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down\n>a pork happy Congress.\n>\n>-- Marc Mueller\n\nHuh?  Shouldn't that read \"The question is whether a social-pork happy\nLes Aspin and Clinton will be able to face down a jobs-pork happy\nCongress.\"\n\nfpa\n\n","424":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\n\nkmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n\n>>But chimps are almost human...\n>Does this mean that Chimps have a moral will?\n\nWell, chimps must have some system.  They live in social groups\nas we do, so they must have some \"laws\" dictating undesired behavior.\n\nkeith\n","425":"From: mniederb@pws2.itr.ch (Niederberger Markus)\nSubject: Characterization of opamps\nOrganization: Interkantonales Technikum Rapperswil (ITR) Switzerland\nLines: 23\n\nHi,\n\nRight now I should do some characterization of opamps. Because I don't  \nhave\nspecial equipment for this task, I have to do this job with relativly  \nsimple\nequipments (Frequency sweeper, DSO, etc.). \nDoes anyone know good test circuitry for characterization of opamps? \nEspecially for measuring open-loop gain, phase margin, PSSR, CMMR and so  \non.\nAre there any books or application notes on this subject available?\n\nPlease reply vi e-mail or nn.\n\nThanks\nMark\n\n__________________________________________________________________________ \n_____\nMark Niederberger\nE-mail: mniederb@itr.ch\n__________________________________________________________________________ \n_____\n","426":"From: Doug_Akerman@abcd.houghton.mi.us (Doug Akerman)\nSubject: commodoree\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Amiga BitSwap Central Dispatch\nLines: 15\n\nI have a wonderful Commodore 128 for sale!!!!\n          Also included:\n                   1571 disk drive\n                   color moniter\n                   power supply (great shape)\n                   software\n                   joysticks\n                   2 300 baud modems (old, but useable)\n\n\ncontact doug  (906) 487-0369 or (815) 623-6447\n\n\n-- Via DLG Pro v0.995\n\n","427":"From: verity@jack.sns.com (Steve Verity)\nSubject: Need help with video detection circuit\nOrganization: Systems'n'Software\nLines: 55\n\n\n\nI am trying to build a circuit that detects the presence of video (Vs.\na blank screen) by monitoring the R,G, and B outputs of a graphics\ncard.  It should be able to detect the presence of a single pixel at\n65 MHz, which would mean detecting a 15 NS pulse.  It should also be\nable to tell the difference between a blank screen (about 300 mv)\nand a dim screen (say, around 310 mv).  Oh yes, it also needs to be\ncheap.  \n\nMy first circuit was a dismal failure.  I used 3 compariators; each\ncompariator had the + input going to one of the guns, the - input\nwent to a reference created by a voltage divider(a potentiometer).\n\nThe first problem was that the compariator was way too slow.. I\nneeded to get several pixels in a row before it would fire the\ncompariators, so I could have a whole screen full of text, but my\ncircuit would not detect it.   \n\nThe second problem is that there was more noise on the reference then\nthe smallest difference between a blank screen and a dim screen.  In\nfact the difference between completely black and completely white is\nonly 650 mv.  I am wondering if I am going to have to amplify the\nvideo signals to make this work.  \n\nThere are faster compariators, but they are expensive, and require \nsplit supplies.   I would need to replace my .49 quad compariator\nwith three 1.89 compariators, and create a whole new power supply\ncircuit.  \n\nAt this point, I think what I need is some sort of transistor\ncircuit.  Transistors are fast and cheap and should do the trick...\n\nUnfortunately, I am way out of my league when It comes to designing\ntransistor circuits, so I am appealing to the net for help.  Any\nideas, tips, circuits, pointers, references, etc. would be greatly\nappreciated.  \n\nOh yes, I only sample the output of this thing every second or so, so\nI don't need a fast response time at all, however, I haven't found a\nway to take advantage of that fact.\n\nThanks a lot for any help anybody might be able to give. Of course,\nyou will have my undying gratitude.\n\n\nSteve Verity\n\n\n\n\n-- \n..........>.........>........>......>...>...>..>..>..>..>.>.>.>>>>>>>>+ .   \nSteve Verity                  +   +             ...Maxed on MIDI        + .\n                                    +      verity@jack.sns.com      + ..   +\n","428":"From: zxxst+@pitt.edu (Zhihua Xie)\nSubject: Re: Duo 230 crashes aftersleep (looks like Apple bug!)\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 2\n\nthis is a test\n \n","429":"From: alee@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu (Alec Lee)\nSubject: Scan Rate vs. Font Size\nSummary: Which is more important?\nOrganization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.\nLines: 10\n\nThis past winter I found myself spending a ridiculous amout of time in front\nof my computer.  Since my eyes were going berserk, I decided to shell out\nsome serious money to upgrade from a 14\" to a 17\" monitor.  I'm running\n800x600 at 72 Hz.  My eyes are very grateful.  However, I find myself using\na smaller font with less eye strain.  Has anyone else had this kind of \nexperience?  I thought that small fonts were the culprit but it seems that\nflicker was my real problem.  Any comments?\n\nAlec Lee\nalee@cs.du.edu\n","430":"From: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com\nSubject: CAN'T WRITE TO 720 FLOPPY\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard Waltham Division\nReply-To: limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com ()\nKeywords: WRITE-720\nLines: 10\n\nOK all you experts!\nNeed answer quick.386 machine ,1.44 floppy ; unable to write to a formated\n720 disk.Machine claims that disk is write protected,but it is not.\n\nNote: It 'll read 720's with no problem.\n\nPlease e_mail or post.\n\n\n\n","431":"From: ljuca+@CS.CMU.EDU (Ljubomir Perkovic)\nSubject: Draining battery\nNntp-Posting-Host: gs20.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: Carnegie Mellon University\nLines: 12\n\nI have a problem with the battery on my '83 Honda CB650 NightHawk.\nEvery week or so it is dead and I have to recharge it. I ride the bike \nevery day, the battery is new and the charging system was checked \nthoroughly and it seems fine. My suspicion is that it is draining\nsomewhere. \n\nDo you have any idea about what is causing this problem?\nPlease help since my mechanic and me are clueless!...\n\nLjubomir\n\n\n","432":"From: games@max.u.washington.edu\nSubject: SSTO Senatorial (aide) breifing recollections.\nArticle-I.D.: max.1993Apr6.125512.1\nDistribution: world\nLines: 78\nNNTP-Posting-Host: max.u.washington.edu\n\nThe following are my thoughts on a meeting that I, Hugh Kelso, and Bob Lilly\nhad with an aide of Sen. Patty Murrays.  We were there to discuss SSTO, and\ncommercial space.  This is how it went...\n\n\n\nAfter receiving a packet containing a presentation on the benifits of SSTO,\nI called and tried to schedule a meeting with our local Senator (D) Patty\nMurray, Washington State.  I started asking for an hour, and when I heard\nthe gasp on the end of the phone, I quickly backed off to 1\/2 an hour.\nLater in that conversation, I learned that a standard appointment is 15 minutes.\n\nWe got the standard bozo treatment.  That is, we were called back by an aide,\nwho scheduled a meeting with us, in order to determine that we were not\nbozos, and to familiarize himself with the material, and to screen it, to \nmake sure that it was appropriate to take the senators time with that material.\n\nWell, I got allocated 1\/2 hour with Sen. Murrays aide, and we ended up talking\nto him for 45 minutes, with us ending the meeting, and him still listening.\nWe covered a lot of ground, and only a little tiny bit was DCX specific.  \nMost of it was a single stage reusable vehicle primer.  There was another\nwoman there who took copius quantities of notes on EVERY topic that\nwe brought up.\n\nBut, with Murray being new, we wanted to entrench ourselves as non-corporate\naligned (I.E. not speaking for boeing) local citizens interentested in space.\nSo, we spent a lot of time covering the benifits of lower cost access to\nLEO.  Solar power satellites are a big focus here, so we hit them as becoming \nfeasible with lower cost access, and we hit the environmental stand on that.\nWe hit the tourism angle, and I left a copy of the patric Collins Tourism\npaper, with side notes being that everyone who goes into space, and sees the\natmosphere becomes more of an environmentalist, esp. after SEEING the smog\nover L.A.  We hit on the benifits of studying bone decalcification (which is \nmore pronounced in space, and said that that had POTENTIAL to lead to \nunderstanding of, and MAYBE a cure for osteoporosis.  We hit the education \nwhereby kids get enthused by space, but as they get older and find out that\nthey havent a hop in hell of actually getting there, they go on to other\nfields, with low cost to orbit, the chances they might get there someday \nwould provide greater incentive to hit the harder classes needed.\n\nWe hit a little of the get nasa out of the operational launch vehicle business\nangle.  We hit the lower cost of satellite launches, gps navigation, personal\ncommunicators, tellecommunications, new services, etc...  Jobs provided\nin those sectors.\n\nJobs provided building the thing, balance of trade improvement, etc..\nWe mentioned that skypix would benifit from lower launch costs.\n\nWe left the paper on what technologies needed to be invested in in order\nto make this even easier to do.  And he asked questions on this point.\n\nWe ended by telling her that we wanted her to be aware that efforts are\nproceeding in this area, and that we want to make sure that the\nresults from these efforts are not lost (much like condor, or majellan),\nand most importantly, we asked that she help fund further efforts along\nthe lines of lowering the cost to LEO.\n\nIn the middle we also gave a little speal about the Lunar Resource Data \nPurchase act, and the guy filed it separately, he was VERY interested in it.\nHe asked some questions about it, and seemed like he wanted to jump on it,\nand contact some of the people involved with it, so something may actually\nhappen immediatly there.\n\nThe last two things we did were to make sure that they knew that we\nknew a lot of people in the space arena here in town, and that they\ncould feel free to call us any time with questions, and if we didn't know\nthe answers, that we would see to it that they questions got to people who\nreally did know the answers.\n\nThen finally, we asked for an appointment with the senator herself.  He\nsaid that we would get on the list, and he also said that knowing her, this\nwould be something that she would be very interested in, although they\ndo have a time problem getting her scheduled, since she is only in the\nstate 1 week out of 6 these days.\n\nAll in all we felt like we did a pretty good job.\n\n\t\t\tJohn.\n","433":"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nReply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de\nOrganization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nLines: 19\n\nmathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n\n> bena@dec05.cs.monash.edu.au (Ben Aveling) writes:\n> > Don't forget, you are in the country that wouldn't let the Russians\n> > buy Apple II's because of security concerns.\n\n> That's nothing.  They wouldn't let the British buy Inmos Transputer systems\n> because of security concerns.  And we designed the damn things!\n\nFunny, we had plenty of them in Bulgaria, regardless of the embargo...\n:-) So much for export controls...\n\nRegards,\nVesselin\n-- \nVesselin Vladimirov Bontchev          Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nTel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226      Fachbereich Informatik - AGN\n< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C\ne-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de    D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany\n","434":"From: greg@puck.webo.dg.com ()\nSubject: Re: RKBA on NYC radio station\nReply-To: greg@puck.webo.dg.com\nOrganization: NSDD-X.500, Data General Corp.\nLines: 31\n\n|> Actually, the real reason that Stern was getting a bigger rating share was that\n|> he was new in D.C., not because of the quality (if you can call it that) of \n|> his show. After the Fine was issued he started to get better ratings because \n|> of the curious individuals who wanted to see how bad he actually was. Since\n|> he came to D.C. he has had a greater turn over of listeners than the \"Grease\"\n|> has. In other words, more people get sick of him sooner than they do of the\n|> \"Grease\". After all, saying vagina or penis on the air is hilarious at first, \n|> the second time it is still a little funny, but when you do it all the time, \n|> and at the same time, think you are the greatest man on the planet (and tell\n|> everyone so) than you are going to get old really quick. \n|> Give it up Mark you are WRONG.\n|> \nExcuse me, but if you really new what the show was about, you'd know that he\ndoesn't just say vagina and penis and that is how he get's his ratings. He\nalso addresss real issues as well as being outrageous. I don't hear any of these\nother idiots doing a funny show and getting into some serious topics at the\nsame time, he get's people to think and entertains them at the same time, \nso try listening to his show a little closer before you tell them that they are\nWRONG, and by the way, if he is such a flash in the pan, why do his ratings sustain\nso well? Hmm?\n\n\n\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------\nGreg W. Lazar             greg@puck.webo.dg.com\n\nJ-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS\n-----------------------------------------------\n\n","435":"From: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet (larry silverberg)\nSubject: podiatry School info?\nReply-To: ls8139@albnyvms.bitnet\nOrganization: University of Albany, SUNY\nLines: 21\n\nHello,\n\nI am planning on attending Podiatry School next year.\n\nI have narrowed my choices to the Pennsylvania College of Podiatric\nMedicine, in Philadelphia, or the California College of Podiatric\nMedicine in San Francisco.  \n\nIf anyone has any information or oppinions about these two schools, please\ntell me.  I am having a hard time deciding which one to attend, and must\nmake a decision very soon.  \n\nthank you, Larry\n\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nLive From New York, It's SATURDAY NIGHT...\n\nTonight's special guest:\nLawrence Silverberg from The State University of New York @ Albany\naka:ls8139@gemini.Albany.edu\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n","436":"From:  (Rashid)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam\nNntp-Posting-Host: 47.252.4.179\nOrganization: NH\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.121134.12187@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>,\ndarice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) wrote:\n> \n> >In article <C5C7Cn.5GB@ra.nrl.navy.mil> khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes:\nStuff deleted\n> >>What we should be demanding, is for Khomeini and his ilk to publicly\n> >>come clean and to show their proof that Islamic Law punishes\n> >>apostacy with death or that it tolerates any similar form of\n> >>coversion of freedom of conscience.\n\nAll five schools of law (to the best of my knowledge) support the\ndeath sentence for apostasy WHEN it is accompanied by open, persistent,\nand aggravated hostility to Islam. Otherwise\nI agree, there is no legal support for punishment of disbelief.\nThe Qur'an makes it clear that belief is a matter of conscience. Public\nor private disavowal of Islam or conversion to another faith is not\npunishable (there are some jurists who have gone against this\ntrend and insisted that apostasy is punishable (even by death) - but\nhistorically they are the exception.\n\nCursing and Insulting the Prophets falls under the category of \"Shatim\".\n\n> \n> I just borrowed a book from the library on Khomeini's fatwa etc.\n>Lots of stuff deleted<\n> \n> And, according to the above analysis, it looks like Khomeini's offering\n> of a reward for Rushdie's death in fact constitutes a criminal act\n> according to Islamic law.\n\nPlease see my post under \"Re: Yet more Rushdie (ISLAMIC LAW)\".\n","437":"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)\nSubject: Re: Goalie masks\nNntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 21\n\n\nTom Barrasso wore a great mask, one time, last season.  He unveiled it\nat a game in Boston.  \n\nIt was all black, with Pgh city scenes on it.  The \"Golden Triangle\"\n(Pgh's downtown area where the 3 rivers meet) graced the top, along\nwith a steel mill on one side and the Civic Arena (I think) on the \nother.   On the back of the helmet was the old Pens' logo (the really\nfat little penguin with the blue scarf) the current (at the time) Pens\nlogo, and a space for the \"new\" (now current) logo.\n\nTommy had designed the mask, and his mother (an artist) painted it\nfor him.  \n\nBut while wearing the mask, the Pens got thumped by the Bruins.  The\nvery next game, Tommy was back to the old paint job.  A great mask\ndone in by a goalie's superstition.\n\nLori\n\n\n","438":"From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)\nSubject: Hercules Graphite?\nOrganization: Software Metrics Inc.\nLines: 11\n\n\nHas anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter?  It looks good on paper, and\nSteve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld.  I'd love to get a\nreal-world impression, though -- how is the speed?  Drivers?  Support?\n\n(Looking for something to replace this ATI Ultra+ with...)\n\n-- \n[ \/tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]\n[       \"stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth.  now pull ]\n[          up.  that's how the corrado makes you feel.\"  -- car, january '93 ]\n","439":"From: win@athen.sto.mchp.sni.de (Andrea Winkler)\nSubject: X and Security \/ X Technical Conference\nOrganization: SNI AG Muenchen, STO XS \nLines: 31\n\n\nI had no possibility to join the\n\n               7th annual X Technical Conference \n               January 18-20 1993\n               Boston, MA\n\nNevertheless, I'm interested in information about the tutorials,\nexspecially about \n\n               Tutorial ID:  A-SECURITY\n               Title: A Survey of X and Security\n\n               Tutorial ID:  F-ADMIN\n               Title: X and the Administrator\n\nDoes anybody know, where I can get information (paper\/mail) about these ?\n\nHas anybody information about  Kerberos  (escpecially in connection with \nX Display Manager xdm)?\n\nThanks,\n\nAndrea Winkler     (Siemens Nixdorf Muenchen, Germany)\n\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------  \nS I E M E N S  Andrea Winkler        Internet: Andrea.Winkler@sto.mchp.sni.de\n-------------  SNI STO XS 322        Otto-Hahn-Ring 6    D-8000 Munich 83     \nN I X D O R F  Phone:(089)636-41449  FAX: (089)636-42833\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------  \n","440":"From: tcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com (Todd Stevens)\nSubject: Rebuilding the Temple (was Re: Anybody out there?)\nOrganization: ingr\nLines: 14\n\nChuck Petch writes:\n\n>Now it appears that nothing stands in the way of rebuilding and resuming\n>sacrifices, as the Scriptures indicate will happen in the last days.\n>Although the Israeli government will give the permission to start, I think\n>it is the hand of God holding the project until He is ready to let it\n>happen. Brothers and sisters, the time is at hand. Our redemption is\n>drawing near. Look up!\n\nHow is a scriptural Levitical priesthood resumed?  Are there any Jews who \ncan legitimately prove their Levite bloodline?\n\nTodd Stevens\ntcsteven@iaserv.b1.ingr.com\n","441":"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 48\nNntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.130822.603@exu.ericsson.se> lmcdapi@noah.ericsson.se writes:\n>In article K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu, am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:\n>>\n>>Michael Collingridge writes:\n>>\n>>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, \n>>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other \n>>>team captain trivia would be appreciated.\n>>\n>>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to\n>>Pittsburgh?\n>>\n>>Mom.\n>\n>Chris Chelios was Montreal's co-captain with Guy Carbonneau when he\n>was traded to Chicago for Denis Savard, and Peter Stastny was captain \n>of the Quebec Nordiques when he was traded to New-Jersey. Also Mark \n>Messier was captain of the Edmonton Oilers when he was traded to New\n>York. How about Dale Hawerchuk with Winnipeg when he was traded to\n>Buffalo, was he captain too ? I think so. I should not forget Wayne \n>(you know who) when he was traded to L.A. he was captain. Didn't they \n>strip Wendel Clark of his captaincy in Toronto ?\n>\n\nBuffalo seems to have started a tradition of trading its captains.\n\nPat LaFontaine was awarded the Captaincy when Mike Ramsey was forced\nto give it up (Ramsey's now a Penguin).  Ramsey inherited it from Mike\nFoligno (who's now a leaf).  He in turn had inherited it from Lindy\nRuff, who went I forget where.  Ruff had it from Perreault, who\nretired, so I guess that's where the streak started.  Or did it?\nAfter all, Danny Gare was captain before him, and he went to Detroit.\nJim Scoenfeld, Gerry Meehan, and Floyd Smith are the others, in\nreverse order, last to first.  I was a bit young at the time, so I'm\nnot sure of the fate of Schoenfeld, but he ultimately went to Detroit\nand Boston.  Meehan went to Vancouver, Atlanta and Washington.  Smith\nseems to have hung up his skates after Buffalo, but I don't know if\nthe captaincy was removed before or after that, or how many games he\nplayed for Buffalo.  This is actually getting fascinating.  :-)\n\nCaptaincy in Buffalo is a sure sign you're to be traded, almost,\nunless you're a franchise player.\n\n-- \nValerie Hammerl\t\t\tBirtday -(n)- An event when friends get \nhammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu\ttogether, set your dessert on fire, then\nacscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu\tlaugh and sing while you frantically try \nv085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  to blow it out.  \n","442":"From: cbc5b@virginia.edu (Charles Campbell)\nSubject: Re: Was Jesus Black?\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 21\n\n\n\tJesus was born a Jew.  We have biblical accounts of\nboth his mother's ancestry and his father's, both tracing back\nto David.  It seems reasonable to assume, therefore, that Jesus\nwas Semitic.\n\tAs an interesting aside, Jesus' being semitic makes him\nneither \"white\" nor \"black,\" and in some sense underscores the\npoint made earlier that his color was not important, it was his\nmessage, his grace, and his divinity that we should concentrate\non.\n\tFinally, I would direct anyone interested in African\ninvolvement in the church to the account of the conversion of\nthe Ethiopian eunuch in Acts chapter 9 (I think it's chapter\n9).  This is one of the earliest conversions, and the eunuch,\ntreasurer to the queen of the Ethiopians, was definitely\nAfrican.  Because \"Ethiopia\" at that time indicated a region\njust south of Egypt, many also speculate that this man was not\nonly the first African Christian, but the first black Christian\nas well.  \nGod bless,\nCharles Campbell\n","443":"From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss)\nSubject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to...\nOrganization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.000021.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n>In article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:\n>> [...]  Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are\n>> not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli\n>> situation for the winner.)  So how about this?  Give the winning group\n>> (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year\n>> moratorium on taxes.\n>> \n>> Tom Freebairn \n>\n>\n>Who says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US\n>Government? \n\nTom's right about this.  It's only a grantable right if the granter has\nthe will and the ability to stop anyone from taking it away from you.\nNever mind the legal status.\n\n>Major question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you?\n>The UN can't other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it?\n\nNick's right about this.  It's always easier to obtain forgiveness than\npermission.  Not many people remember that Britain's King George III\nexpressly forbid his american subjects to cross the alleghany\/appalachian\nmountains.  Said subjects basically said, \"Stop us if you can.\"  He\ncouldn't.\n\n>If you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will\n>stop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you? \n\nThat's how the USA started.  Of course, that's also how the Bolivarian\nRepublic started (ca. 1800-1820) in central america.  It didn't have\nquite the staying power of the USA.  I'm sure there are more examples of\ngoing far away and then ignoring authority, but none jump to mind right\nnow.\n\n>What can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your\n>services as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids\/mars\/moon or what\n>ever.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble..\n\nOr do as some whaling nations do: define whatever activities you want to\ncarry out as \"scientific research\" which just coincidentally requires\nthe recovery of megatonnes of minerals (or whatever), then go at it.\n\n>Basically find a country who wants to go into space, but can't for soem reason\n>or another, but who will give you a \"home\".. Such as Saudia Arabia or\n>whatever..\n\nLute Keyser had just this sort of arrangement with Libya (I think) in\nthe late '70's for his commercial space launch project (one of the very\nearliest).  It was killed by Soviet propaganda about NATO cruise\nmissiles in Africa, which made Libya renege on the arrangement.\n\n\nDoug Loss\n","444":"From: jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray)\nSubject: quality of Catholic liturgy\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 20\n\nI appreciated the follow-ups and replies to my earlier query.  One reply, which\nI have lost, suggested several parishes in New York that have good Masses, one \nof which was Corpus Christi in downtown Manhattan.  By coincidence, last week's\n_America_, the national Jesuit magazine, carried an interview with Fr. Myles \nBourke, Corpus Christi's pastor emeritus.  Fr. Bourke also directed the NT \ntranslation in the New American Bible.  He noted \"...certain practices have \nbeen introduced into the Mass in such a manner that an atmosphere of banality, \nand sometimes of hilarity, has trivialized the liturgy.\"  I note that at my \nparents' parish on Easter, helium filled balloons were distributed at the \noffertory, apparently to aid in understanding the word \"risen\".  This was not a \nkiddie mass, either, but the well-attended 11:00 Mass.\n\nI wanted to note the generous spirit behind the replies.  This newsgroup as a\nwhole offers generally moderate (perhaps because it's moderated) conversation\non topics that often lead people to extreme behavior (including myself).\nSometimes people do go over the top, but the remarkable thing is how that is\nthe exception, I think.  Benefits of the doubt are generally granted.  It seems\nso...Christian?\n\nJohn Murray\n","445":"From: mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (matthew liggett)\nSubject: Re: Opel owners?\nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 62\n\nIn <C5t3B2.DG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:\n\n>boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:\n\n>>In article <C5sxI4.J9B@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:\n>>>gibbonsa@fraser.sfu.ca (Darren Gibbons) writes:\n>>>>I'm looking for information on Opel cars.  Now you ask, which model?\n>>>>Well, the sad truth is, I'm not entirely sure, but it's a two-seater,\n>>>>with roll-over headlights, hard top, and really sporty looking.  My\n>>>>friend has one sitting in his yard in really nice condition,\n>>>>body-wise, but he transmission has seized up on him, so it hasn't run\n>>>>for a while.  Does anyone have any info on these cars?  The engine\n>>>>compartment looks really tight to work on, but it is in fine shape and\n>>>>I am quite interested in it.\n>>>>Thanks!\n>>>>Darren Gibbons\n>>>>gibbonsa@sfu.ca\n>>>\t\n>>>\tThis would be the manta, would it not???  Sold through Buick dealers in the mid '70's as the price leader????\n\n>>Sounds a lot more like an Opel GT to me. I'd guess that this is on the same\n>>chassis as the Kadett, rather than the bigger Manta - but I could easily\n>>be wrong.  I think the later Kadett's were sold here as Buick Opels.\n\n>>Craig\n\n>\tI think the Manta is the European name for the \"GT.\"  I'm pretty sure\n>that the only Kadett's sold here were\/are the Pontiac LeMans.  I think the\n>GT is just an early '70s to mid '70s Manta.  \n>-- \n>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu\n>*******SIG UNDER CONSTRUCTION HARD HAT AREA********\n\nBzzt.\nThe manta was a two-door sedan in the US.\nIt had a 1900 engine.\nWas sometimes referred to as an Opel 1900.\nManta's are also ve hot and fun cars too.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n\/-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-\\\n| |\\\/|  __   -=> mliggett@silver.ucs.indiana.edu <=- (mliggett@iugold.bitnet  |\n* |  |\/\\||   'junk' collector, toys R us kid, antiauthoritarian, and fan of   *\n| frogs, iguanas, and other herps.\t\t\t\t\t      |\n","446":"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)\nSubject: Re: Cobra Locks\nOrganization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <1r1b3rINNale@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com writes:\n>I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing \n>a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock\n>(described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock\n>in the Chicago area?\n\n\tIt is available through some dealerships, who in turn have to back\norder it from the manufacturer directly.  Each one is made to order, at least\nif you get a nonstandard length (standard is 5', I believe).\n\n>Any other feedback from someone who has used this?\n\n\tSee below\n\n>In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:\n>> \n>> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock.\n>> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve.\n>> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints\n>> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs).\n>> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder\n>> is well-protected.  I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch\n>> and\/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel.\n\n\tI have a 6' long CobraLinks lock that I used to use for my Harley (she\ndoesn't get out much anymore, so I don't use the lock that often anymore).  It\nis made of 3\/4\" articulated steel shells covering seven strands of steel cable.\nIt is probably enough to stop all the joyriders, but, unfortunately,\nprofessionals can open it rather easily:\n\n\t1) Freeze a link.\n\n\t2) Break frozen link with your favorite method (hammers work well).\n\n\t3) Snip through the steel cables (which, I have on authority, are\n\t\tfrightfully thin) with a set of boltcutters.\n\n\tFor the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is\nanywhere from 1\/2\" to 7\/8\" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded\nin a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type\nlocking mechanism.  I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's\nmore difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat\nin bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5\/8\" model).\n\n\tAll bets are off if the thief has a die grinder with a cutoff wheel.\nEven the most durable locks tested yield to this tool in less than one minute.\n\n\tFYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.\n\nLater,\n-- \nChris BeHanna\tDoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady\nbehanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\nDisclaimer:  Now why would NEC\t  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\nagree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n","447":"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\nSubject: The Escrow Database.\nOrganization: Partnership for an America Free Drug\nLines: 77\n\nHere is a disturbing thought.\n\nNow, we no longer live in the days of big filing cabinets. We live in\nthe electronic age. I asked myself, how big could the escrow database\nget? How hard might it be to steal the whole thing, particularly were\nI an NSA official operating with the tacit permission of the escrow\nhouses? (We can pretend that such will not happen, but thats naive.)\n\nWell, lets see. Ten bytes of each escrow half. Lets asume ten bytes of\nserial number -- in fact, I believe the serial number is smaller, but\nthis is an order of magnitude calculation. We assume 250*10^6 as the\npopulation, and that each person has a key. I get five gigabytes for\neach of the two escrow databases. Fits conveniently on a single very\nvaluable Exabyte tape. This can only get easier with time, but who\ncares -- I can already hold all the clipper keys in the country in my\npocket on two 8mm tapes.\n\nAdmittely, they will think of safeguards. They won't put the whole\ndatabase on one disk, prehaps. Maybe they will throw stumbling blocks\nin the way. This changes nothing -- they keys will be needed every day\nby hundreds if not thousands of law enforcement types, so convenience\nwill dictate that the system permit quick electronic retrieval. At\nsome point, with or without collusion by the agencies, those exabyte\ntapes are going to get cut. Dorothy Denning and David Sternlight will\ndoubtless claim this can't happen -- but we know that \"can't\" is a\nprayer, not a word that in this instance connotes realism.\n\nWith two exabyte tapes in your pocket, you would hold the keys for\nevery person's conversations in the country in your hands. Yeah, you\nneed the \"master key\" two -- but thats just ten bytes of information\nthat have to be stored an awful lot of places.\n\nCome to think of it, even if the NSA getting a copy of the database\nisn't a threat to you because unlike me you have no contraversial\npolitical views, consider foreign intelligence services. You know, the\nones that David Sternlight wants to protect us from because of the\nevil industrial espionage that they do. The French apparently do have\na big spying operation in friendly countries to get industrial\nsecrets, so he isn't being completely irrational here (although why\nour companies couldn't use cryptosystems without back doors is left\nunexplained by those that point out this threat.) \n\nPresumably, foreign intelligence services can get moles into the NSA\nand other agencies. We have proof by example of this: its happened\nmany times. Presumably, someday they will get their hands on some\nfraction of the keys. You can't avoid that sort of thing.\n\nDon't pretend that no one unauthorized will ever get their hands on\nthe escrow databases.\n\nWe crypto types are all taught something very important at the\nbeginning of intro to cryptography -- security must depend on the\neasily changed key that you pick to run your system, and not on a\nsecret. The escrow databases aren't the sorts of secrets that our\nteachers told us about, but they are the sort of big secrets they\nwould lump into this category. Imagine trying to replace 100 million\nClipper chips.\n\nI cannot believe that the NSA or whomever it is thats doing this\ndoesn't realize all this already. They are too smart. There are too\nmany of them who have made their bones in the real world. I suspect\nthat they know precisely what they are doing -- and that what they are\ndoing is giving us the appearance of safety so that they can continue\nto surveil in spite of the growth of strong cryptography. I suspect\nthat they realize that they can't put things off forever, but they can\ntry to delay things as long as possible.\n\nWho knows. Maybe even some of the higher ups, the inevitable\nbureaucratic types that rise in any organization, really do believe\nthat this scheme might give people some security, even as their\nsubordinates in Fort Meade wring their hands over the foolishness of\nit all.\n\n--\nPerry Metzger\t\tpmetzger@shearson.com\n--\nLaissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.\n","448":"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 8\n\nOf course, I'd still recommend that Michael read _True and Reasonable_\nby Douglas Jacoby.\n\nJoe Fisher\n\nOh, and Michael, I wait to see any dents in any armor and my faith\nhasn't wavered since the day I became a disciple.  You may want to try\nit sometime.  It's life-changing!\n","449":"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing\nFrom: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\n <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> <C5L9vC.3r6@world.std.com>\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <C5L9vC.3r6@world.std.com>, Eastgate@world.std.com (Mark Bernstein)\nsays:\n>\n>(Which reminds me: do they still serve Kosher hot dogs at the new Comiskey?)\n>\n\nyup.  with onions, of all things.\n\nbob vesterman.\n\n","450":"From: bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis)\nSubject: Re: Date is stuck\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 39\n\njamesc@netcom.com (James Chuang) writes:\n\n\n>When you leave your radio on at night, it may not be doing anything useful.\n>But computers can do something useful even when YOU are not in front of it.\n>Just because MS-DOS and WINDOZE does not know how to schedule tasks does\n>not mean that all computers hould be shut down every night.\n\n>I bet starting up NT every morning means a good coffee break....  \n>jamesc\n\n\n>-- \n>=========================================\n>If someone asks if you are a God, you say... YES!\n\nIn addition to startup time, I leave things running because my PC doubles as \na fax machine. \n\nHowever, this is off the original subject. I didn't get the replies on BIOS, \nCMOS, and DOS clock\/date logic. All I know is that I've been running this way \nfor many months and it is only recently, the last month, that I have noticed \nthe intermittent clock problem. As I stated, it is not always the date that \ndoesn't roll forward, sometimes I notice that the clock is several minutes \nbehind where it ought to be. \n\nWhen unattended, the following are generally running minimized in Win 3.1:\n\nClock, WinFax Pro 3.0, Print Manager, MS-Word 1.1, File Manager, Program \nManager\n\nA random screen saver is generally running too.\n\n\n-- \nBarry Sardis\t\t| Home:   (408) 448-1589\n1241 Laurie Avenue\t| Office: (408) 448-7404\nSan Jose, CA 95125\t| Fax:    (408) 448-7404\nEmail: bsardis@netcom.COM or 70105.1210@compuserve.COM\n","451":"From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)\nSubject: Re: Riceburner Respect\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada\nLines: 28\n\nIn <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:\n\n>In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org> craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)  \n>writes:\n>> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:\n>> \n\n>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.\n>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my\n>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each\n>other, from what I can tell.\n\n\n  When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!\n\n__\n   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who\n   Arch. & Eng. Services   |\"Lost Horizons\"  CR500 | I think I am. \n   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |\"The Embalmer\"   IT175 |           - anonymous\n\n                                --Squidonk--       \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","452":"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.204335.157595@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:\n>Why do spacecraft have to be shut off after funding cuts.  For\n>example, Why couldn't Magellan just be told to go into a \"safe\"\n>mode and stay bobbing about Venus in a low-power-use mode and if\n>maybe in a few years if funding gets restored after the economy\n>gets better (hopefully), it could be turned on again.  \n\nOne consideration to remember is that if you don't turn it off now,\nyou may not be able to later.  This isn't a case of reaching over and\nflipping a switch; much of the spacecraft has to be working correctly\nto execute a \"turn off\" command successfully.  Spacecraft do malfunction\nin their old age.  The big concern is not radio clutter from idle\nspacecraft, but radio clutter from malfunctioning spacecraft that can\nno longer be turned off.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n                    - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n","453":"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)\nSubject: Basil, opinions? (Re: Water on the brain)\nOrganization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA\nLines: 40\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.204930.9517@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU  writes:\n|> \n|> In article <1993Apr15.055341.6075@nysernet.org>, astein@nysernet.org (Alan Stein) writes:\n|> |> I guess Hasan finally revealed the source of his claim that Israel\n|> |> diverted water from Lebanon--his imagination.\n|> |> -- \n|> |> Alan H. Stein                     astein@israel.nysernet.org\n|> Mr. water-head,\n|> i never said that israel diverted lebanese rivers, in fact i said that\n|> israel went into southern lebanon to  make sure that no \n|> water is being used on the lebanese\n|> side, so that all water would run into Jordan river where there\n|> israel will use it  !#$%^%&&*-head.\n\nOf course posting some hard evidence or facts is much more\ndifficult.  You have not bothered to substantiate this in\nany way.  Basil, do you know of any evidence that would support\nthis?\n\nI can just imagine a news report from ancient times, if Hasan\nhad been writing it.\n\nNewsflash:\nCairo AP (Ancient Press).  Israel today denied Egypt acces to the Red\nSea.  In a typical display of Israelite agressiveness, the leader of\nthe Israelite slave revolt, former prince Moses, parted the Red Sea.\nThe action is estimated to have caused irreparable damage to the environment.\nEgyptian authorities have said that thousands of fisherman have been\ndenied their livelihood by the parted waters.  Pharaoh's brave charioteers\nwere successful in their glorious attempt to cause the waters of the\nRed Sea to return to their normal state.  Unfortunately they suffered\nheavy casualties while doing so.\n\n|> Hasan \n\n-- \nShai Guday              | Stealth bombers,\nOS Software Engineer    |\nThinking Machines Corp. |\tthe winged ninjas of the skies.\nCambridge, MA           |\n","454":"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nOrganization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy) writes:\n>\tI set up a bbs that uses public-key encryption and encryption of\n>\tfiles on disk.  The general setup is designed so that when users \n>\tconnect they send a private key encrypted using the system public\n>\tkey and the user's public-private keypair is used to wrap the\n>\tone-time session keys used for encrypting the files on disk.  The\n>\tresult of this is that even if I reveal the system private key it\n>\tis impossible for anyone to gain access to the files stored on the\n>\tmachine.  What is possible is for someone to use the revealed\n>\tsystem private key to entice users into revealing thier personal\n>\tprivate keys during the authentication sequence.\n>\n>Any answers or general musings on the subject would be appreciated...\n>\n\nJust a question. \nAs a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee\nintelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes\nwith sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be  a basic condition\nfor such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)\n\nFriendly greetings,\n\tGermano Caronni\n-- \nInstruments register only through things they're designed to register.\nSpace still contains infinite unknowns.\n                                                              PGP-Key-ID:341027\nGermano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch   FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F\n","455":"From: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (David James Hahn)\nSubject: Re: RE: HELP ME INJECT...\nArticle-I.D.: uwm.1r82eeINNc81\nReply-To: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 39\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: hahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\nFrom article <1993Apr22.233001.13436@vax.oxford.ac.uk>, by krishnas@vax.oxford.ac.uk:\n> The best way of self injection is to use the right size needle\n> and choose the correct spot. For Streptomycin, usually given intra\n> muscularly, use a thin needle (23\/24 guage) and select a spot on\n> the upper, outer thigh (no major nerves or blood vessels there). \n> Clean the area with antiseptic before injection, and after. Make\n> sure to inject deeply (a different kind of pain is felt when the\n> needle enters the muscle - contrasted to the 'prick' when it \n> pierces the skin).\n> \n> PS: Try to go to a doctor. Self-treatment and self-injection should\n> be avoided as far as possible.\n>  \nThe areas that are least likely to hurt are where you have a little \nfat.  I inject on my legs and gut, and prefer the gut.  I can stick\nit in at a 90 degree angle, and barely feel it.  I'm not fat, just\nhave a little gut.  My legs however, are muscular, and I have to pinch\nto get anything, and then I inject at about a 45 degree angle,and it\nstill hurts.  The rate of absorbtion differs for subcutaneous and  \nmuscular injections however--so if it's a daily thing it would be\nbest not to switch places every day to keep consistencey.  Although\nsome suggest switch legs or sides of the stomach for each shot, to prevent \nirritation.  When you clean the spot off with an alcohol prep, \nwait for it to dry somewhat, or you may get the alcohol in the\npuncture, and of course, that doesn't feel good.  A way to prevent\nirratation is to mark the spot that you injected.  A good way to\ndo this is use a little round bandage and put it over the \nspot.  This helps prevent you from injecting in the same spot,\nand spacing the sites out accuartely (about 1 1\/2 \" apart.)\n\nThis is from experience, so I hope it'll help you.  (I have\ndiabetes and have to take an injection every morning.)\n\n\t\t\tLater,\n\t\t\t\tDavid\n-- \nDavid Hahn\nUniversity of Wisconsin : Milwaukee \nhahn@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n","456":"From: strait@cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu (Jeffrey C. Strait)\nSubject: Re: NRA address?\nOrganization: The University of Illinois\nLines: 15\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu\nKeywords: NRA Waco RKBA\n\nIn article <7307@pdxgate.UUCP>, barker@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (James Barker) writes:\n> Could someone email me a USNail address for the NRA? I'd like to write them\n> a letter encouraging them to see to it VERY EMPHATICALLY that the 2nd\n> amendment is restored to the form that the founding fathers intended.\n\nNational Rifle Association\n1600 Rhode Island Ave. NW\nWashington, DC 20036-3268\n1-800-368-5714 (membership)\n\n-- \n| Jeff Strait                       | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu        |\n| University of Illinois            | PHONE: (217) 333-6444            |\n| \"If you ladies leave this island, if you survive basic recruit       |\n| training, you will be a weapon, a minister of death praying for war\" |\n","457":"From: jyork@iastate.edu (Justin York)\nSubject: Clipper Chip - How would it work?\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 18\n\n\nWith all the talk about this Clipper chip, I have developed one question...\n\n\t\t\tHOW DOES IT WORK???\n\nIf you use this, then how does it get decrypted on the other end? Does the\nother party (receiving the phone call\/mail\/etc) have to know some code to \nundo it? Do I use a different method for calling one party than I would for \nanother?. If the other party can decrypt it, doesn't that mean that someone\nelse could also? I assume that if everyone has a different key, the only use\nwould be storing secure data for later retrieval by the same key. This seems\nlike a fundamental question to me, but I have very little experience with\ncryptosystems, other than DES. If someone could give me an explanation as\nto how it would be used (remember that I have had little experience with\nthis sort of thing) it would be very much appreciated. \n\n\t\t\t\t\tJustin York\n\t\t\t\t\tjyork@iastate.edu\n","458":"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell)\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 98\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.09.04.1993.28448@athos.rutgers.edu> dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes:\n[insert deletion of unnecessary quote]\n\n>Why is it that we have this notion that God takes some sort of pleasure\n>from punishing people?  The purpose of hell is to destroy the devil and\n>his angels.\n\nFirst of all, God does not take any sort of pleasure from punishing\npeople.  He will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and compassion on\nwhom he will have compassion (Ex 33:19).  However, if he enjoyed\npunishing people and sending them to hell, then why would he send Jesus\nto \"seek and save that which was lost\" (Luke 19:10)?\n\n>\n>To the earlier poster who tried to support the eternal hell theory with\n>the fact that the fallen angels were not destroyed, remember the Bible\n>teaches that God has reserved them until the day of judgement.  Their\n>judgement is soon to come.\n>\n>Let me suggest this.  Maybe those who believe in the eternal hell theory\n>should provide all the biblical evidence they can find for it.  Stay away\n>from human theories, and only take into account references in the bible.\n>\nYou asked for it.\n\n2 Peter 2:4-ff talks about how those who are ungodly are punished.\nMatthew 25:31-46 is also very clear that those who do not righteous in\nGod's eyes will be sent to hell for eternity.\n2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 states that those who cause trouble for the\ndisciples \"will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out\nfrom the presence of the Lord\".\n2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 talks about those who refuse to love the truth\nbeing condemned.\nRevelation 21:6-8 talks about the difference between those who overcomes\nand those who do not.  Those who do not, listed in verse 8, will be in\nthe \"fiery lake of burning sulfur\".\nRevelation 14:9-12 gives the indication that those who follow the beast\n\"will be tormented with burning sulfur\" and there being \"no rest day or\nnight\" for them because of it.\nPsalm 9:17:  \"The wicked return to the grave, all the nations that\nforget God.\"\n\nI think those should be sufficient to prove the point.\n\n>Darius\n\nJoe Fisher\n\n[In the following I'm mostly playing \"devil's advocate\".  I'm not\nadvocating either position.  My concern is that people understand that\nit's possible to see these passages in different ways.  It's possible\nto see eternal destruction as just that -- destruction.  Rev often\nuses the term \"second death\".  The most obvious understanding of that\nwould seem to be final extinction.  The problem is that the NT speaks\nboth of eternal punishment and of second death.  I.e. it uses terms\nthat can be understood either way.  My concern here is not to convince\nyou of one view or the other, but to help people understand that\nthere's a wide enough variety of images that it's possible to\nunderstand them either way.  As Tom Albrecht commented, the primary\npoint is to do our best to keep people out of the eternal fire,\nwhatever the details.  (To make things more interesting, Luke 20:35\nimplies that the damned don't get resurrected at all.  Presumably\nthey just stay dead. -- yes I'm aware that it's possible to \nunderstand this passage in a non-literal way.)\n\n2 Peter 2:4-ff is talking about angels, and talks about holding them\nin hell until the final judgement.  This isn't eternal punishement.\n\nMatthew 25:31-46 talks about sending the cursed into eternal fire\nprepared for the devil and his angels.  The fact that the fire is\neternal doesn't mean that people will last in its flames forever.\nParticularly interesting is the comment about the fire having been\nprepared for the devil and his angels.  Rev 20 and 21 talk about the\neternal fire as well.  They say that the beast and the false prophet\nwill be tormented forever in it.  When talking about people being\nthrown into it (20:13-14), it is referred to as \"the second death\".\nThis sounds more like extinction than eternal torment.  Is is possible\nthat the fire has different effects on supernatural entities such as\nthe devil, and humans?\n\n2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 similarly, what is \"everlasting destruction\"?\nThis is not necessarily eternal torment.  This one can clearly be\nunderstood either way, but I think it's at least possible to think\nthat everlasting is being used to contrast the kind of destruction\nthat can occur in this life with the final destruction that occurs in\neternity.\n\n2 Thessalonians 2:8 again talks about destruction.\nRevelation 21:6-8: see comment above\nRevelation 14:9-12 is probably the best of the quotes.  Even there,\nit doesn't explicitly say that the people suffer forever.  It says\nthat the smoke (and presumably the fire) is eternal, and that \nthere is no respite from it.  But it doesn't say that the people\nare tormented forever.\n\nPsalm 9:17:  I don't see that it says anything relevant to this issue.\n\n--clh]\n","459":"From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)\nSubject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada\nLines: 24\n\nIn <ramarren-150493134758@kops.apple.com> ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes:\n\n>>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,\n>>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up\n>>to me in some parking lot and sez \"hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox\n>>frame on there?\" I can say something besides \"duh, er, huh?\"\n\n\n  I beleive it's called the \"Dentabox\" frame. \n\nNothing some putty and paint won't fix.\n\n__\n   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who\n   Arch. & Eng. Services   |\"Lost Horizons\"  CR500 | I think I am. \n   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |\"The Embalmer\"   IT175 |           - anonymous\n\n                                --Squidonk--       \n\n\n\n\n\n\n","460":"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas)\nSubject: Re: technology\nOrganization: Kulikauskas home\nLines: 28\n\nmcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n\n> ...the computer is not a fantasyland where one's responsibilities\n> disappear.  The people on the net are real; slander and deception carried\n> out by net are just as wrong as they would be if carried out on paper\n> or face to face.\n\nWell said, Michael!\n\nThe Catholic traditon has a list of behaviours called the Spiritual \nWorks of Mercy:\n\nadmonish the sinner\ninstruct the ignorant\ncounsel the doubtful\ncomfort the sorrowful\nbear wrongs patiently\nforgive all injury\npray for the living and the dead (yes, I know there is some controversy \n                           on this and I don't want to argue about it.)\n\nThese are all things that have a direct application to usenet.  People \nask questions and express doubts.  Some are in need of comfort or \nprayers.  Imagine what would happen to flame wars if we bore wrongs \npatiently and forgave injuries.   I would add that it is probably more \nappropriate to do any admonishing by private email than publicly.\n\nJayne Kulikauskas\/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org\n","461":"From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)\nSubject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times\nNntp-Posting-Host: eugene.convex.com\nOrganization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n              not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 17\n\nIn <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:\n\n>(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)\n\n\n>Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 \n>carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws\n>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that\n>on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside\n>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.\n\nYou better check all the screws in that carb before you suck\none into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it\nhappen before.\n\nMatthew\n\n","462":"From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: Purdue University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 5\n\n sorry about that last post, my server neglected to send the message:\n\n Can we please keep this group to AUTOMOTIVE topics. Thank you.\n\n\n","463":"From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)\nSubject: Re: Difference between Lexus 300 series?\nArticle-I.D.: uwm.1pr5f8INN4om\nReply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\nFrom article <1993Apr5.200048.23421@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, by lorenzo@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Eric Lorenzo):\n> \tWhat is the difference between the LS300, ES300 and GS300?  Seems\n> Lexus can't stop popping out new models.\n\n--Let me put it like this.  The only similarity between the three models\n  is the \"300\", or 3-liter engine displacement.  Actually, the SC300 (the\n  coupe) and the GS300 (the funky-looking new sedan) share the same 3.0\n  liter inline-six, and the ES300 (popular small sedan) uses 3.0 V6 shared\n  with the Camry.  The SC300 is a luxury\/sports coupe, the GS300 is the new\n  luxury sedan, and the ES300 is the base executive sedan.  All three look\n  completely different.\n\n--Aamir Qazi\n-- \n\nAamir Qazi\nqazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.\n","464":"Subject: Re: FORSALE: Men Without Hats- Folk of the 80's Part III vinyl\nFrom: andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz (andrew king)\nReply-To: Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Wibble\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 14\n\nGrinning Evil Death (mute@bigwpi.WPI.EDU) wrote:\n\n: Men Without Hats - \"Folk of the 80's (Part III)\" - vinyl\n\nAnyone out there who is willing to part with their copy of\n\nMen without Hats, \"Pop goes the world!\" album on vinyl...or perhaps CD...\n\nplease contact me, we wish to purchase it!\n\n\n|o| Andrew@tigress.equinox.gen.nz  )()                            |o|\n| |\t\t\t\t  |U  |\\   It's late (again)...   | |\n|o|\t\t\t\t  |___|\/ Tea and Lemmings please! |o|\n","465":"From: ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck)\nSubject: detecting double points in bezier curves\nOrganization: My own node in Groningen, NL.\nLines: 6\n\nI'm looking for any information on detecting and\/or calculating a double\npoint and\/or cusp in a bezier curve.\n\nAn algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated,\n\nFerdinand.\n","466":"From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)\nSubject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, RTP, NC\nLines: 30\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: egreen@east.sun.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: laser.east.sun.com\n\nIn article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:\n>\n>I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my\n>*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.\n>\n>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we\n>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or\n>how long it would take me to push my horn button??\n\nIf we do, I think you'd loose.  Sure, you're hand's already on the\nthrottle.  And your thumb is already near the horn button.  Pushing the\nhorn button is one simple move.  Revving the throttle requires either\nengaging the clutch, or accelerating.  The first is a more complex\nmanuver than a simple horn button push, and the second ain't too bright\nwhen there is a potential hazard ahead.  Besides, the unique sound of a\nhorn is more effective in attracting the attention of BDI cagers than\nis the sound of an engine, which is what they expect to hear (you are\non the road!).\n\nAs is usually the case, a single anecdote hardly constitutes sound\nsafety procedure.\n\nThe answer is 161.33 feet.\n\n---\nEd Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,\n  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,\nDoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |\"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!\"\n (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...\n\n","467":"From: Wingert@vnet.IBM.COM (Bret Wingert)\nSubject: Re: Level 5?\nOrganization: IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services\n              IBM, Federal Systems Co. Software Services\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM\nNews-Software: UReply 3.1\nLines: 91\n\nIn <C5uBn5.tz@zoo.toronto.edu> Henry Spencer writes:\n>In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:\n>>>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ...\n>>>Level 5?  Out of how many? ...\n>>\n>>... Also keep in mind that it was\n>>*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather\n>>through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the\n>>Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and\n>>did the whole process by hand...\n>\n>I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman's account of the\n>software-development process *before* the standdown.  Fred is basically\n>correct:  no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking\n>care.  But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited\n>the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people.  (He\n>also noted that the software people were starting to feel management\n>pressure to cut corners, but hadn't had to give in to it much yet.)\n>\n>Among other things, the software people worked very hard to get things\n>right for the major pre-flight simulations, and considered a failure\n>during those simulations to be nearly as bad as an in-flight failure.\n>As a result, the number of major-simulation failures could be counted\n>on one hand, and the number of in-flight failures was zero.\n>\n>As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software.\n>Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the\n>experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care.\n>(None of the experimenters could afford it.)\n>--\n>All work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n>                    - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n>\nNews-Software: UReply 3.1\nX-X-From: Wingert@VNET.IBM.com (Bret Wingert)\n            <C5uBn5.tz@zoo.toronto.edu>\n\nIn <C5uBn5.tz@zoo.toronto.edu> Henry Spencer writes:\n>In article <1993Apr21.134436.26140@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:\n>>>>(given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 ...\n>>>Level 5?  Out of how many? ...\n>>\n>>... Also keep in mind that it was\n>>*not* achieved through the use of sophisticated tools, but rather\n>>through a 'brute force and ignorance' attack on the problem during the\n>>Challenger standdown - they simply threw hundreds of people at it and\n>>did the whole process by hand...\n>\n>I think this is a little inaccurate, based on Feynman's account of the\n>software-development process *before* the standdown.  Fred is basically\n>correct:  no sophisticated tools, just a lot of effort and painstaking\n>care.  But they got this one right *before* Challenger; Feynman cited\n>the software people as exemplary compared to the engine people.  (He\n>also noted that the software people were starting to feel management\n>pressure to cut corners, but hadn't had to give in to it much yet.)\n>\n>As Fred mentioned elsewhere, this applies only to the flight software.\n>Software that runs experiments is typically mostly put together by the\n>experimenters, and gets nowhere near the same level of Tender Loving Care.\n ========================================================================\nA couple of points on this thread.\n\n1. We have been using our processes since way before Challenger.  Challenger\n   in and of it self did not uncover flaws.\n\n2. What Mr. Spencer says is by and large true.  We have a process that is\n   not dependent on \"sophisticated tools\"  (CASE tools?).  However, tools\n   cannot fix a bad process.  Also, tool support for HAL\/S (the Shuttle\n   Language) is somewhat limited.\n\n3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated \"Level 5\" by a NASA team.\n   This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA.\n\n4. Feel free to call me if you or your organization is interested in more info\n   on our software development process.\n\nBret Wingert\n\n\n(713)-282-7534\nFAX: (713)-282-8077\n\n\nBret Wingert\n\n\n(713)-282-7534\nFAX: (713)-282-8077\n\n\n","468":"From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.32.15.1993.14385@athos.rutgers.edu> dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes:\n>Pardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference\n>between holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.\n>regardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an\n>absolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?\n>\n>     They sound like one and the same to me.\n>\n>     I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words\n\nI'm not surprised that you see no wisdom in them.  That is because your\npremises are wrong from the word \"Go\".  You claim that Christianity is\nbased on blind faith, but this simply is not so.  Just look at the\ncurrent thread on the evidence for Jesus' resurrection for evidence\nthat Jesus was real and that he triumphed over death.\n\nFurthermore, you say that Christians hold to their beliefs \"regardless of\nany evidence that you may find to the contrary.\"  Without any evidence\nto support your claim, this statement is little more than an ad hominem \nargument.\n\nMind you, I don't mean this as a personal attack.  I'm merely pointing out\nthe intellectual dishonesty behind condemning Christianity in this fashion.\nIt would make much more sense if you could prove that all Christians do \nbase their belief on empty nothings, and that they do ignore all evidence to \nthe contrary.  Only then can you expect your attack to make sense.\n \n-- \nVirgilio \"Dean\" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics \n\t CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee\n    \"Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!\"   |    My boss is a \n   \"Not very well.  He doesn't look like one at all!\"  |  Jewish carpenter.\n","469":"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1rambk$cee@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:\n\n>ab4z@Virginia.EDU (\"Andi Beyer\") writes:\n\n[Andi's posting deleted...]\n\nHamaza's only comment is:\n\n>Well said Mr. Beyer :)\n\nAndi, when you get the full-fledged support of Hamaza Salah, you know\nyou're on the wrong track.\n\n-- \nJake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com           Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions.    standard of a failed President.\n","470":"From: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM (Jorge Lach - Sun BOS Hardware)\nSubject: Typewriter w\/computer interface\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC\nLines: 17\nDistribution: usa\nReply-To: jorge@erex.East.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: erex.east.sun.com\n\nI have the following item for sale:\n\nElectronic Typewriter: Panasonic KT-32, with 22K memory, small LCD display. I'm\n\tselling it bundled with a Panasonic computer interface (RPK105) for this\n\ttypewriter. You can connect it to any PC parallel port (sorry, no\n\tcable). It works perfect, even in Windows (TTY printer). It's\n\tgreat if you need to send letter with \"typewriter look\". In\n\tstand-alone mode it has 3 pitches, and several \"effects\" like\n\tunderline, bold, overstrike. Built-in dictionary and character\/word\/\n\tline correction. Asking $150 for both the typewriter and the\n\tinterface\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJorge Lach\t\t\tSun Microsystems Computer Corporation\nJorge.Lach@East.Sun.Com\t\tEast Coast Division, Chelmsford, MA\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","471":"From: willis@oracle.SCG.HAC.COM (Stan Willis)\nSubject: Kings playoff notes: Stauber, TV ratings, etc.\nReply-To: willis@empire.dnet.hac.com (Stan Willis)\nOrganization: none\nLines: 112\n\n1992-93 Los Angeles Kings notes.\n--------------------------------\nPlayoffs:\n---------\n*Stauber disturbed by third-man theme\nby Rick Sadowski, Daily News\n\nBarry Melrose's decision to stick Robb Stauber in the stands rather than in the\ncrease or even on the bench for the Stanley Cup playoffs does not sit well with\nthe rookie goaltender.\n\n\"I want to be a part of the team at the most crucial time of the year, the most\nfun time of the year, and I'm not,\"  Stauber said with some emotion Monday.  \"I\nthink I have worked hard enough for that.\"\n\nStauber said he accepts Melrose's choice of Kelly Hrudey as the teams top goalie\nin their playoff series with the Calgary Flames. Hrudey made 21 saves in Sundays\n6-3 opening victory.\n\nBut Stauber clearly is upset with his sudden status as the No. 3 man behind Rick\nKnickle.  Stauber had a 4-1-2 record and 2.98 goals-against average down the\nstretch in the regular season and nearly wrestled the No. 1 job from Hrudey.\n\nKnickle?  He won 2 of 3 decisions but had a bloated 5.26 average, twice was \nyanked from games (once for stomach cramps) and hasn't played since March 29.\n\nYet, when the series resumes Wednesday, Knickle will serve as Hrudey's backup\nagain and Stauber will have to satisfy his playoff hunger by munching on Olympic\nSaddledome popcorn.\n\n\"If I'm supposedly close to being the starter or could have been the starter...I\ndropped too. 3.  What happened to No. 2?\"  Stauber wondered.  \"Not that I'd be\nhappy with No. 2, but I feel I should at least be a part of this team in the\nplayoffs.\"\n\nPerhaps Stauber eventually will get his chance, but Melrose apparently is not\nconvinced the 25-year old is capable of handling playoff pressure.\n\nWhile insisting he is the Kings' \"goalie of the future,\" Melrose said Stauber\nflubbed all four of the big games he was asked to win this season.  They were,\naccording to Melrose: a 7-2 loss to San Jose on Dec. 26; An 8-3 loss to the New\nYork Rangers on Jan. 23; a 6-6 tie with Detroit on Feb. 11; an 8-6 loss to \nVancouver on Thursday.\n\n\"Four times this season Robb could have emerged as the elite goalie, he could\nhave taken it away from Kelly Hrudey, and he didn't do it,\" Melrose said.  \"An\nelite goaltender has to carry the ball when you give it to him.  The mark of a\ngreat goalie is that he isn't satisfied to be a backup.\"\n\n\"I'm not blaming Robb for the losses, but if you're going to be No. 1, you've\ngot to be able to walk your talk.  You've got to be able to play when everything\nis on the line.  Robb Stauber has a great deal of ability, but maybe I expect\nmore from him than he does.\"\n\nOuch.  That remark stung Stauber.  He began the season 9-0-1, struggled when the\nteam hit a mid-season slump, didn't play for a month after Knickle was signed\noff the San Diego Gulls roster, then came on at the end.\n\n\"I expect more from myself than anybody, including Barry Melrose,\" said Stauber,\na three-year star at the University of Minnesota who left school in 1989, only \nto have his development hampered by a string of serious injuries.\n\n\"What I've been through the last four years - two knee operations, a herniated\ndisk in my back, shoulder surgery - what more can I go through?  I obviously do\nexpect a lot from myself, otherwise I wouldn't be here.\"\n\n\"Anybody who would disagree with that doesn't know me.  I'm not saying Barry \ndoesn't know me, but don't say I've been without expectations.  If anything, I'm\na perfectionist.\"\n\nStauber acknowledged he played poorly in the four games Melrose mentioned. \"But \neven though I didn't play well, I get knocked down from maybe on to three? It's \na bit of a jump,\" he said.  \"You're almost No. 1, or if you play a good game \nyou're No. 1 and if you don't you're No. 3?  Why does Jack Nicklaus shoot a 67 \nand then a 75?  Can you explain that?  That's what barry wanted me to explain \nto him, why I didn't come through when he counted on me.  I don't know. What I \ndo know is, it's a sport.  I'll be there.\"\n\nMelrose's \"goalie of the future\" statement doesn't mean much to Stauber. \"Before\nyou know it, I'll be 30 and there will be no future,\" he said.\n\n------\n\n*Game 1 of the Kings @ Flames playoff series drew a 4.2 Nielsen rating on ABC \nChannel 7 here in LA.  The Kings averaged a 2.1 Nielsen rating in the 10 regular\nseason games aired on Channel 5.\n\nAround the NHL:\n---------------\n*San Jose fired Coach George Kingston, who lead the team to a 11-71-2 mark in \ntheir 2nd NHL season.  Kingston was 28-129-7 over the past 2 years with the\nSharks.\n\n------\n\n*Former Islander executive Bill Torrey was named as President of the expansion\nFlorida Panthers.  Bobby Clarke was named as the clubs General Manager.\n\n*Last nights games:\n-------------------\nWIN  2 @ VAN  4 (VAN leads 1-0)\nTOR  3 @ DET  6 (DET leads 1-0)\n\n===============================================================================\nStan Willis (willis@empire.dnet.hac.com)\nnet contact: L.A. Kings\n\n >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>\n      talk with the L.A. Kings Mailing List ...... kings@cs.stanford.edu\n      to subscribe or unsubscribe: ....... kings-request@cs.stanford.edu\n <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<\n===============================================================================\n","472":"From: au021@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Roland Behunin)\nSubject: Does anybody have the schedule for games Sunday 25 Apr 93\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 31\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nHello Hockey fans.\nBonjour tout le monde!\n\nWell, in Salt Lake City this past Sunday, the local ABC station decided not\nto televise the hockey games.  La directrous de programme est la tete de merde!\nAnyway, I have a satellite dish, and a few of my friends from hockey have invited themselves over to watch the games this coming Sunday (25 Apr), and I can\nnot find correct game times.  For the Calgary at LA game I have times showing\neverything from 11:00 AM MDT, to 5:00 PM MDT.\n\nI am not even sure what games are going to be played this coming Sunday, now\nthat ABC has mucked up the schedule.  I think I should be able to\npull in\nthree games (11:00 am, 2:00 pm, and 5:30 pm MDT) off the dish, but I am\nnot sure.\n\nIF anybody has a schedule, pleas emial it to me.  As you can see, I have to\ntelent to get rec.sport.hockey, and it is sometimes difficult to get a link.\n\nThanks in advance\nMerci d'avance\n\nP.S.  Anglais ou francais d'accord.\n\n\nRoland Behunin\n\nbehunin@oodis01.af.mil\nbehunin@oodis01.hill.af.mil\n-- \nRoland\n","473":"From: mtjensen@nbivax.nbi.dk\nSubject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...\nReply-To: mtjensen\nOrganization: Niels Bohr Institute and Nordita, Copenhagen\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <C4zCII.Ftn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca>, smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:\n> \n> I was thinking about who on each of the teams were the MVPs, biggest\n> surprises, and biggest disappointments this year. Now, these are just\n> my observations and are admittedly lacking because I have not had an\n> opportunity to see all the teams the same amount. Anyway....\n>   \n> MVP = most valuable player to his team both in terms of points and\n>       in terms of leadership (\"can't win without him\")\n>   \n> Biggest surprise = the player who rose above expectation -- the player\n>       that may have raised the level of his game to a new height, even\n>       if that new level doesn't necessarily warrant an allstar berth\n>       (includes those players who at the outset of the season, may not\n>       even have been in the team's plans).\n>    \n> Biggest disappointment = the player from whom we expected more (e.g., I\n>       picked Denis Savard in Montreal because with the new emphasis on\n>       offence brought by Demers, shouldn't Savard have done better?)\n>    \n> -----------------------------------------------------------------------\n>   \n>                         Team           Biggest       Biggest\n> Team:                   MVP:          Surprise:    Disappointment:\n> -----------------------------------------------------------------------\n> Boston Bruins           Oates          D.Sweeney     Wesley\n> Buffalo Sabres          Lafontaine     Mogilny       Audette (jinx?)\n> Calgary Flames          Roberts        Reichel       Petit\n> Chicago Blackhawks      Roenick        Ruuttu        Goulet\n> Detroit Red Wings       Yzerman        Chaisson      Kozlov\n> Edmonton Oilers         Manson         Buchberger    Mellanby\n> Hartford Whalers        Sanderson      Cassells      Corriveau\n> Los Angeles Kings       Robitaille     Donnelly      Hrudey\n> Minnesota North Stars   Modano      Tinordi(not expected back)  Broten\n> Montreal Canadiens      Muller         Lebeau        Savard\n> New Jersey Devils       Stevens        Semak         MacLean\n> New York Islanders      Turgeon        King(finally) Marois\n> New York Rangers        Messier        Kovalev       Bourque\n> Ottawa Senators         MacIver        Baker         Jelinek\n> Philadelphia Flyers     Lindros\/Recchi Fedyk\/Galley  Eklund\n> Pittsburgh Penguins     Lemieux        Tocchet(even for him)  Jagr\n> Quebec Nordiques        Sakic\/Ricci    Kovalenko     Pearson\n> San Jose Sharks         Kisio          Gaudreau      Maley\n> St Louis Blues          Shanahan       C.Joseph      Ron Sutter\n> Tampa Bay Lightening    Bradley        Bradley       Creighton\/Kasper\n> Toronto Maple Leafs     Gilmour        Potvin        Ellett\/Anderson\n> Vancouver Canucks       Bure           Nedved(finally)    Momesso\n> Washington Capitals     Hatcher        Bondra\/Cote   Elynuik\n> Winnipeg Jets           Selanne        Selanne       Druce\n> ----------------------------------------------------------------------\n>   \n> As I mentioned up top, these are my *impressions* from where I sit. I\n> would welcome any opinions from those fans nearer their teams (in other\n> words, *anywhere* away from a Toronto newspaper!)\n>    \n> Bryan\n","474":"From: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca)\nSubject: Re: nuclear waste\nOrganization: The Dorsai Grey Captains\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: oit.gatech.edu\n\nIn article <844@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes:\n\n>\tOk, so how about the creation of oil producing bacteria?  I figure\n>that if you can make them to eat it up then you can make them to shit it.\n>Any comments?\n\nSure.  Why keep using oil?  A hydrogen\/electric economy would likely be\ncleaner and more efficient in the long run.  The laws of supply and demand\nshould get the transition underway before we reach a critical stage of\nshortage.\n-- \nMatthew DeLuca\nGeorgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332\nuucp:\t  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!matthew\nInternet: matthew@phantom.gatech.edu\n","475":"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Sea?  What sea? We said rivers!\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:\n\n>I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance\n>attributed to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven\n>as part of their plan!\n\n\tOk, I'll admit it.  I can't find a quote with my meager online\nresources.  but i did find this little gem:\n\n\t``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in\n\tthis part of the world.  Our people will continue to fuel the torch\n\tof the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the\n\toccupied homeland is liberated...''\n\t--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3\/12\/79\n\n\tSo, Ahmed is right.  There was nothing about driving Jews into\nthe sea, just a bit of \"ethnic cleansing,\" and a river of blood.\n\n\tIs this an improvement?\n\nAdam\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t       adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n\"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn't waste them on members of Congress...\"   -John Perry Barlow\n","476":"From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)\nSubject: Re: old vs. new testament\nOrganization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd.\nLines: 39\n\nREXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes:\n\n>We can jillustrate this by pointing to the way God administers His judgment. \n>In the OT, sins were not forgiven, but rather covered up.  In the age of the\n>Church not only are sins forgiven (taken away), but the power of SIN is put to\n>death.  ...\n\nMy, this distinction seems quite arbitrary.\n\n  Blessed is the man whose iniquities are forgiven, whose sin is covered.\n  (Ps. 32:1).\n\nand quoted by the apostle Paul:\n\n  Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God\n  imputeth righteousness without works,\n  Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins\n  are covered.\n  Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.  (Rom. 4:6-8)\n\nThe biblical perspective seems to be that foregiveness and covering are\nparallel\/equivalent concepts in both testaments.  The dispensational\ndistinction is unwarranted.\n\n>        During the millenium, we read that sins are dealt with immediately\n>under the present (ie that Christ is present on earth) rulership of Christ.\n\nI'm sure Rex has Scripture to back this up.  You're suggesting Jesus is\ngoing to travel around dealing with individual violations of His law -- for\nmillions perhaps billions of people.  Such activity for Moses the lawgiver\nwas considered unwise (cf. Ex. 18:13ff).  It makes for interesting\nspeculation, though.\n\nI'll leave comments on the so-called \"bema seat\" vs. \"throne\" judgments to\nsomeone else.  This also seems like more unnecessary divisions ala\ndispensationalism.\n\n--\nTom Albrecht\n","477":"From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard)\nSubject: Re: Can sin \"block\" our prayers?\nOrganization: Pegasus,  Honolulu\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <Apr.12.03.45.11.1993.18872@athos.rutgers.edu> jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes:\n>mike@boulder.snsc.unr.edu (Mike McCormick) writes:\n>\n>> Not honoring our wives can cause our prayers to be hindered:\n>>         prayers may not be hindered.  I Peter 3:7\n>\n>One interpretation I've heard of this verse is that it refers to the sin \n>of physically abusing one's wife.  The husband is usually physically \n>stronger than his wife but is not permitted to use this to dominate her.  \n>He must honor her as his sister in Christ.  This would therefore be an \n>example of a specific sin that blocks prayer.\n>Jayne Kulikauskas\/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org\n\nI would be a bit more specific in looking at this verse in regard to\n'blocking' prayer.  I have trouble thinking that God would allow\nanything to block our access to him in prayer, especially if we have\nsinned and are praying for forgivenenss.\n    I can see, however, how our prayer life might be hindered by our\nsin, if we are concentrating on what is causing the sin or what has\nhappened, we may not be thinking about prayer, thus our prayers are\n'hindered' by our own actions.\n    But I don't think anything can 'block' the transmission, or\nreception of prayer to God.\nShalom,                                      Len Howard\n","478":"From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)\nSubject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!\nNntp-Posting-Host: bcarh10f\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd., Ottawa\nLines: 8\n\nIn article <lsp0mgINNud@cash.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:\n>However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider\n>the VW a bike.\nHowever, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider\nthe Amazona a bike.\n\nKeith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645\n\n","479":"From: demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers)\nSubject: Scoring runs. Was Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: CSE Dept., UC San Diego\nLines: 23\nNntp-Posting-Host: beowulf.ucsd.edu\n\n\nIn article <8966@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:\n\n|> Uh, right.  You also forgot that you can't get an RBI (barring a HR) with\n|> nobody on base.  What fraction of all runs come on solo HR?\n\nActually, for the Padres this year so far it's 23%.  They are 5th in\nthe league in HRs, and ALL have been solo shots.\n\nPythagorean projection puts them at .360 winning percentage\nor 58-104.  Need some pitching help, fast!\n\nGood news, though, is that Hurst has been throwing curveballs\nw\/o any pain.  Threw 80 pitches yesterday.  Should be back\nin a couple of weeks.  Maybe we can trade him to the Yankees\nfor Militello.\n\nDave\n-- \nDave DeMers\t\t\t \t        demers@cs.ucsd.edu\nComputer Science & Engineering\t0114\t\tdemers%cs@ucsd.bitnet\nUC San Diego\t\t\t\t\t...!ucsd!cs!demers\nLa Jolla, CA 92093-0114\t(619) 534-0688, or -8187, FAX: (619) 534-7029\n","480":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>Perhaps the chimps that failed to evolve cooperative behaviour\n>died out, and we are left with the ones that did evolve such\n>behaviour, entirely by chance.\n\nThat's the entire point!\n\n>Are you going to proclaim a natural morality every time an\n>organism evolves cooperative behaviour?\n\nYes!\n\nNatural morality is a morality that developed naturally.\n\n>What about the natural morality of bee dance?\n\nHuh?\n\nkeith\n","481":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: amitriptyline\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Mar27.010702.8176@julian.uwo.ca> roberts@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Eric Roberts) writes:\n>Could someone please tell me, what effect an overdose (900-1000mg) of\n>amitriptyline would have?\n\nProbably would not be fatal in an adult at that dose, but could kill\na child.  Patient would be very somnolent, with dilated pupils, low\nblood pressure.  Possibly cardiac arrhythmias.  \n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","482":"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine)\nSubject: Re: Wings will win\nNntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca\nReply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA\nOrganization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada\nLines: 25\n\n\nIn article 735249453@vela.acs.oakland.edu, ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:\n\n>I also think that they will have a hard time with Pittsburgh if they\n>face them in the finals (which is what all the Detroit sportswriters \n>are predicting).  Although I think Bryan Murray is probably the best GM\n>I have ever seen in hockey\n\nHow do you figure that??  When Bryan Murray took over the Wings they were\na pretty good team that was contending for the Stanley Cup but looked\nunlikely to win it.  Now they are a pretty good team that is contending for\nthe Stanley Cup but looks unlikely to win it.  A truly great GM would\nhave been able to make the moves to push the team to the upper echelon\nof the NHL and maybe win the Stanley Cup.  A good GM (like Murray) can\nmaintain the team's success but can't push them to the next level.\n\nIn the history of hockey there have been several better GM's than Murray-\nway too many to name.  Murray isn't even the best GM in the league today.\nHe fails in comparison to Sinden, Sather, Savard, Caron, Fletcher and\nQuinn in my estimation.\n\nI can't imagine how Bryan Murray can be the best GM anyone has ever seen\nin hockey- unless they have seen VERY few GM's.\n\nGregmeister\n","483":"From: buhrow@moria.nfbcal.org (Brian Buhrow)\nSubject: NEED HELP FINDING DIP SWITCH SETTINGS AND JUMPER SETTINGS FOR 386SX MOTHERBOARD\nKeywords: JUMPER SETTINGS DIP-SWITCH SETTINGS, HELP, COMPUTER 386SX\nOrganization: National Federation of the Blind of California\nLines: 14\n\n\nHello net.  I have a 386sx motherboard with the Phoenix BIOS, an on-board\nIDE controller port, and two on-board serial ports.  Unfortunately, I don't\nhave a manual for this beast and I would like to be able to disable the IDE\ncontroller in order to use the MFM controller I have.\nThe board says it is made in Korea and it uses the Chips Chipset.  If\nanyone can give me a clue as to how to go about configuring the board so as\nnot to use the IDE controller, or how to go about finding out how to do it,\ntheir help would be greatly appreciated.  \n\tThank you in advance for your assistance.\nPlease mail buhrow@nfbcal.org with your responses as my news feed is rather\ntenuous.\nThank you very much!\n-Brian <buhrow@nfbcal.org>\n","484":"From: hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker)\nSubject: Re: re: fillibuster\nLines: 55\nReply-To: hallam@zeus02.desy.de\nOrganization: DESYDeutsches Elektronen Synchrotron, Experiment ZEUS bei HERA\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:\n\n|>>Come to that under the original plan there wasn't meant to be anything\n|>>much for the federal government to do except keep the British out.\n|>\n|>       That's also untrue, but at least we're wandering a little closer\n|>toward reality.  That the Articles of Confederation fell apart is enough\n|>proof it was there for just a tad bit more.\n\nWell yes and no. The Federalist papers are propaganda and it is therefore\ndifficult to determine precisely what Maddison etc were up to from them. They\ncertainly emphasised a limited role for the federal government but this\nwas not necessarily their true position.\n\n|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty\n|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock\n|>>set in.\n|>\n|>       I wasn't aware the House of Lords had \"wide powers.\"  I was under the\n|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and\n|>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers.  (The Senate is restricted\n|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.)\n\nThe Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in question.\nThe stripping of the powers of the House of Lords did not occur until 1914\nand David Llloyd George's budget. Even despite this the House of Lords has\nconsiderable power even today and is far from a rubber stamping body. \n\n\n|>       My reading of the Constitution and other writings gives me absolutely\n|>no reason to believe the Senate wasn't intended to make use of their \n|>law-making powers.  In fact, grid-lock appears to have been designed\n|>into the system, with the Senate being a more deliberative body to act\n|>as a check on the more-often elected House.\n\nThe system is meant to be slow to react, the problem is that it ended up\na bit too slow.\n\n\n|>       On what basis do you suggest that the Senate was supposed to be\n|>some sort of rubber-stamp for the House?  You'll note that while the\n|>President's veto may be over-ridden, the House can't do anything about\n|>a \"veto\" by the Senate.\n\nThe Presiden't veto was meant to be entirely separate. Until Bush abused it\nin a quite extraordinary manner it was used more in accord with the intent\nof being a check on unreasonable legislation. The veto was clearly regarded \nas a completely last gasp measure its use was meant to be restricted to\npreventing the legislature interfering with the actions of the executive.\n\nthe Senate is not meant to be exactly a rubber stamp body, it is meant as\na check on unrestrained legislation. That is the extra measure built into\nthe constitution in favour of the status quo, 60% of the representatives\nof the states is not a reasonable restriction. \n","485":"From: wes1574@zeus.tamu.edu (Bill Scrivener)\nSubject: In need of help....\nOrganization: Texas A&M University, Academic Computing Services\nLines: 22\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zeus.tamu.edu\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nOk, I have a problem that I thought you guys\/gals might know about....\n\nI'm running a 286dx-25 with a 85mb hdd.  I also have windows 3.1, but\nhardly any dos application will run out it.  Also, when I do a \"mem\"\ncommand, it says that I have used up 58kb out of 640kb of conventional\nmemory, zero from upper level memory, and all 385kb of my ems memory.\nAnd to top it off, I can't load any device drivers into upper memory.\nDo I just need more memory?  Also, why would it use up ems memory instead\nof upper memory?\n\nPlease reply by e-mail only to :  wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu\n\n\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBill Scrivener                    |    \"It's not the first time that you\nTexas A&M University              |     sleep with a woman that matters,\nCollege Station, Texas            |     but the first time\nemail: wes1574@tamvenus.tamu.edu  |     you wake up with her.\"\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","486":"From: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca (Harley Mailing List Digest)\nSubject: Harley-Davidson Mailing List -- an Email taste sensation!\nSummary: a sort of bi-monthly not really automated announcement\nOriginator: hogreq@hog.thinkage.on.ca\nKeywords: digests, lists, harley-davidson, hogaholics\nSupersedes: <93mar09-hog-announce@hog.thinkage.on.ca>\nOrganization: Thinkage Ltd.\nExpires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 11:00:00 GMT\nLines: 36\n\n  Anyone interesting in a mailing list for Harley-Davidson bikes, lifestyle,\npolitics, H.O.G. and whatever over 310 members from 14 countries make it,\nmay subscribe by sending a request to:\n\n              harley-request@thinkage.on.ca\n          or  uunet.ca!thinkage!harley-request\n\n***\n* Your request to join should have a signature or something giving your full\n* Email address.  Do not RELY on the header \"From:\" field being useful to me.\n*\n* This is not an automated \"listserv\" facility. Do not expect instant\n* gratification.\n***\n\nThe list is a digest format scheduled for twice a day.\n\nMembers of the harley list may obtain back-issues and subject-index\n    listings, pictures, etc. via an Email archive server. \nServer access is restricted to list subscribers only.\nFTP access \"real soon\".\n\nOther motorcycle related lists i've heard of (not run by me),\n   these addresses may or may not be current:\n\n  2-stroke:     2strokes-request@microunity.com\n  Dirt:         dirt-request@zygot.ati.com\n  European:     listserv@frigg.isc-br.com\n  Racing:       race-request@formula1.corp.sun.com\n                digest-request@formula1.corp.sun.com\n  Short Riding: short-request@smarmy.sun.com\n  Wet Leather:  listserv@frigg.isc-br.com\n\n---\nIt climbs the hills like a Matchless 'cause my Honda's built really light...\n                                    -Brian Wilson (Honda Honda)\n","487":"From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)\nSubject: Re: Abortion\nNews-Software: IBM OS\/2 PM RN (NR\/2) v0.17i by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers\nLines: 22\nReply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com (Larry Margolis)\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: netslip63.watson.ibm.com\nOrganization: The Village Waterbed\n\nIn <18275.459.uupcb@ozonehole.com> anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com (Anthony Landreneau)  writes:\n>To: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)\n>From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com\n>\n>LM>>  >>The rape has passed, there is nothing that will ever take that away.\n>LM>>\n>LM>>LM>True.  But forcing her to remain pregnant continues the violation of\n>LM>>LM>her body for another 9 months.  I see this as being unbelievably cruel.\n>LM>>\n>LM>>Life is not a \"violation\".\n>\n>LM>But forcing someone to harbor that life in their body *is* a violation.\n>\n>Letting a mother force a child from her body, in order to end that\n>childs life is the ultimate violation.\n\nI happen to take the violation of a person much more seriously than the\n\"violation\" of a mindless clump of cells smaller than my thumb.\n\nYour mileage may vary.\n--\nLarry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)\n","488":"From: feszcm@warren1c.its.rpi.edu (Michael Jaroslaw Feszczyszyn)\nSubject: Re: Fenway Gif\nNntp-Posting-Host: warren1c.its.rpi.edu\nReply-To: feszcm@rpi.edu\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY.\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C5JB3D.9nt@umassd.edu>, acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu writes:\n|> I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif.\n|> I would appreciate it if someone could send me one.\n|> Thanks in advance.\n|> \n|> -Dan\n\nMe too! And any Yankee Stadium gifs as well, please.\n\nThanx in advance,\n\nMike Feszczyszyn\n","489":"From: afung@athena.mit.edu (Archon Fung)\nSubject: wrong RAM in Duo?\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thobbes.mit.edu\n\nA few posts back, somebody mentioned that the Duo might crash if it has\nthe wrong kind (non-self refreshing) of RAM in it.  My Duo crashes\nsometimes after sleep, and I am wondering if there is any software which\nwill tell me whether or not I have the right kind of RAM installed.  I\nhad thought that the problem was the battery connection.\n\nThanks in Advance,\n\nArchon Fung\n","490":"From: hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays)\nSubject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes)\nNntp-Posting-Host: taos\nOrganization: Intel Supercomputer Systems Division\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com>, franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes:\n|> On a Los Angeles radio station last weekend, the lawyers for the\n|> family of the MURDERED rancher said that the Los Angeles Sheriff's\n|> Department had an assessment done of the rancher's property before\n|> the raid.\n\nThe briefing documents for the raid had a notation on them about a\nsimilar local property which had sold for $800,000 prior to the\nraid, if recent TV coverage can be believed.\n\n|> This strongly implies that the sheriff's department wanted the property;\n|> any drugs (which were not found) were only an excuse.\n\nThe Ventura County DA came to the same conclusion in the report he\nreleased, which lambasted the Sheriff's Office.\n\nToo bad the old man was nearly blind, and didn't take a few\ngoose-stepping Drug Warriors (TM) with him.\n\n-- \nKirk Hays - NRA Life, seventh generation.\n\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to\ndo nothing.\"  -- Edmund Burke (1729-1797)\n","491":"From: mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk>\nSubject: Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument\nSummary: Includes a list of logical fallacies\nKeywords: FAQ, atheism, argument, fallacies, logic\nExpires: Thu, 20 May 1993 10:52:14 GMT\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nSupersedes: <19930322114724@mantis.co.uk>\nLines: 632\n\nArchive-name: atheism\/logic\nAlt-atheism-archive-name: logic\nLast-modified: 5 April 1993\nVersion: 1.4\n\n                       Constructing a Logical Argument\n\nAlthough there is much argument on Usenet, the general quality of argument\nfound is poor.  This article attempts to provide a gentle introduction to\nlogic, in the hope of improving the general level of debate.\n\nLogic is the science of reasoning, proof, thinking, or inference [Concise\nOED].  Logic allows us to analyze a piece of reasoning and determine whether\nit is correct or not (valid or invalid).  Of course, one does not need to\nstudy logic in order to reason correctly; nevertheless, a little basic\nknowledge of logic is often helpful when constructing or analyzing an\nargument.\n\nNote that no claim is being made here about whether logic is universally\napplicable.  The matter is very much open for debate.  This document merely\nexplains how to use logic, given that you have already decided that logic is\nthe right tool for the job.\n\nPropositions (or statements) are the building blocks of a logical argument. A\nproposition is a statement which is either true or false; for example, \"It is\nraining\" or \"Today is Tuesday\".  Propositions may be either asserted (said to\nbe true) or denied (said to be false).  Note that this is a technical meaning\nof \"deny\", not the everyday meaning.\n\nThe proposition is the meaning of the statement, not the particular\narrangement of words used to express it.  So \"God exists\" and \"There exists a\nGod\" both express the same proposition.\n\nAn argument is, to quote the Monty Python sketch, \"a connected series of\nstatements to establish a definite proposition\".  An argument consists of\nthree stages.\n\nFirst of all, the propositions which are necessary for the argument to\ncontinue are stated.  These are called the premises of the argument.  They\nare the evidence or reasons for accepting the argument and its conclusions. \n\nPremises (or assertions) are often indicated by phrases such as \"because\",\n\"since\", \"obviously\" and so on.  (The phrase \"obviously\" is often viewed with\nsuspicion, as it can be used to intimidate others into accepting suspicious\npremises.  If something doesn't seem obvious to you, don't be afraid to\nquestion it.  You can always say \"Oh, yes, you're right, it is obvious\" when\nyou've heard the explanation.)\n\nNext, the premises are used to derive further propositions by a process known\nas inference.  In inference, one proposition is arrived at on the basis of\none or more other propositions already accepted.  There are various forms of\nvalid inference.\n\nThe propositions arrived at by inference may then be used in further\ninference.  Inference is often denoted by phrases such as \"implies that\" or\n\"therefore\".\n\nFinally, we arrive at the conclusion of the argument -- the proposition which\nis affirmed on the basis of the premises and inference.  Conclusions are often\nindicated by phrases such as \"therefore\", \"it follows that\", \"we conclude\"\nand so on.  The conclusion is often stated as the final stage of inference.\n\nFor example:\n\nEvery event has a cause (premise)\nThe universe has a beginning (premise)\nAll beginnings involve an event (premise)\nThis implies that the beginning of the universe involved an event (inference)\nTherefore the universe has a cause (inference and conclusion)\n\nNote that the conclusion of one argument might be a premise in another\nargument.  A proposition can only be called a premise or a conclusion with\nrespect to a particular argument; the terms do not make sense in isolation.\n\nSometimes an argument will not follow the order given above; for example,\nthe conclusions might be stated first and the premises stated \nafterwards in support of the conclusion.  This is perfectly valid, if \nsometimes a little confusing.\n\nRecognizing an argument is much harder than recognizing premises or\nconclusions.  Many people shower their writing with assertions without ever\nproducing anything which one might reasonably describe as an argument.  Some\nstatements look like arguments, but are not.  For example:\n\n\"If the Bible is accurate, Jesus must either have been insane, an evil liar,\n or the Son of God.\"\n\nThis is not an argument, it is a conditional statement.  It does not assert\nthe premises which are necessary to support what appears to be its \nconclusion.  (It also suffers from a number of other logical flaws, but we'll\ncome to those later.)\n\nAnother example:\n\n\"God created you; therefore do your duty to God.\"\n\nThe phrase \"do your duty to God\" is not a proposition, since it is neither\ntrue nor false.  Therefore it is not a conclusion, and the sentence is not an\nargument.\n\nFinally, causality is important.  Consider a statement of the form \"A because\nB\".  If we're interested in establishing A and B is offered as evidence, the\nstatement is an argument.  If we're trying to establish the truth of B, then\nit is not an argument, it is an explanation.\n\nFor example:\n\n\"There must be something wrong with the engine of my car, because it will not\n start.\" -- This is an argument.\n\n\"My car will not start because there is something wrong with the engine.\"\n -- This is an explanation.\n\nThere are two traditional types of argument, deductive and inductive.  A\ndeductive argument is one which provides conclusive proof of its conclusions\n-- that is, an argument where if the premises are true, the conclusion must\nalso be true.  A deductive argument is either valid or invalid.  A valid\nargument is defined as one where if the premises are true, then the\nconclusion is true.\n\nAn inductive argument is one where the premises provide some evidence for the\ntruth of the conclusion.  Inductive arguments are not valid or invalid;\nhowever, we can talk about whether they are better or worse than other\narguments, and about how probable their premises are.\n\nThere are forms of argument in ordinary language which are neither deductive\nnor inductive.  However, we will concentrate for the moment on deductive\narguments, as they are often viewed as the most rigorous and convincing.\n\nIt is important to note that the fact that a deductive argument is valid does\nnot imply that its conclusion holds.  This is because of the slightly \ncounter-intuitive nature of implication, which we must now consider more\ncarefully.\n\nObviously a valid argument can consist of true propositions.  However, an\nargument may be entirely valid even if it contains only false propositions. \nFor example:\n\n   All insects have wings (premise)\n   Woodlice are insects (premise)\n   Therefore woodlice have wings (conclusion)\n\nHere, the conclusion is not true because the argument's premises are false. \nIf the argument's premises were true, however, the conclusion would be true. \nThe argument is thus entirely valid.\n\nMore subtly, we can reach a true conclusion from one or more false premises,\nas in:\n\n   All fish live in the sea (premise)\n   Dolphins are fish (premise)\n   Therefore dolphins live in the sea (conclusion)\n\nHowever, the one thing we cannot do is reach a false conclusion through valid\ninference from true premises.  We can therefore draw up a \"truth table\" for\nimplication.\n\nThe symbol \"=>\" denotes implication; \"A\" is the premise, \"B\" the conclusion. \n\"T\" and \"F\" represent true and false respectively.\n\nPremise Conclusion Inference\n   A        B        A=>B\n----------------------------\n   F        F         T      If the premises are false and the inference\n   F        T         T      valid, the conclusion can be true or false.\n\n   T        F         F      If the premises are true and the conclusion\n                             false, the inference must be invalid.\n\n   T        T         T      If the premises are true and the inference valid,\n                             the conclusion must be true.\n\nA sound argument is a valid argument whose premises are true.  A sound \nargument therefore arrives at a true conclusion.  Be careful not to confuse\nvalid arguments with sound arguments.\n\nTo delve further into the structure of logical arguments would require\nlengthy discussion of linguistics and philosophy.  It is simpler and probably\nmore useful to summarize the major pitfalls to be avoided when constructing\nan argument.  These pitfalls are known as fallacies.\n\nIn everyday English the term \"fallacy\" is used to refer to mistaken beliefs\nas well as to the faulty reasoning that leads to those beliefs.  This is fair\nenough, but in logic the term is generally used to refer to a form of\ntechnically incorrect argument, especially if the argument appears valid or\nconvincing.\n\nSo for the purposes of this discussion, we define a fallacy as a logical\nargument which appears to be correct, but which can be seen to be incorrect\nwhen examined more closely.  By studying fallacies we aim to avoid being\nmisled by them.  The following list of fallacies is not intended to be\nexhaustive.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD BACULUM (APPEAL TO FORCE)\n\nThe Appeal to Force is committed when the arguer resorts to force or the\nthreat of force in order to try and push the acceptance of a conclusion.  It\nis often used by politicians, and can be summarized as \"might makes right\". \nThe force threatened need not be a direct threat from the arguer.\n\nFor example:\n\"... Thus there is ample proof of the truth of the Bible.  All those who\nrefuse to accept that truth will burn in Hell.\"\n\nARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM\n\nArgumentum ad hominem is literally \"argument directed at the man\".\n\nThe Abusive variety of Argumentum ad Hominem occurs when, instead of trying\nto disprove the truth of an assertion, the arguer attacks the person or\npeople making the assertion.  This is invalid because the truth of an\nassertion does not depend upon the goodness of those asserting it.\n\nFor example:\n\"Atheism is an evil philosophy.  It is practised by Communists and murderers.\"\n\nSometimes in a court of law doubt is cast upon the testimony of a witness by \nshowing, for example, that he is a known perjurer.  This is a valid way of\nreducing the credibility of the testimony given by the witness, and not\nargumentum ad hominem; however, it does not demonstrate that the witness's\ntestimony is false.  To conclude otherwise is to fall victim of the\nArgumentum ad Ignorantiam (see elsewhere in this list).\n\nThe circumstantial form of Argumentum ad Hominem is committed when a person\nargues that his opponent ought to accept the truth of an assertion because of\nthe opponent's particular circumstances.\n\nFor example:\n\"It is perfectly acceptable to kill animals for food.  How can you argue\notherwise when you're quite happy to wear leather shoes?\"\n\nThis is an abusive charge of inconsistency, used as an excuse for dismissing\nthe opponent's argument.\n\nThis fallacy can also be used as a means of rejecting a conclusion.  For \nexample:\n\n\"Of course you would argue that positive discrimination is a bad thing. \nYou're white.\"\n\nThis particular form of Argumentum ad Hominem, when one alleges that one's\nadversary is rationalizing a conclusion formed from selfish interests, is\nalso known as \"poisoning the well\".\n\nARGUMENTUM AD IGNORANTIUM\n\nArgumentum ad ignorantium means \"argument from ignorance\".  This fallacy\noccurs whenever it is argued that something must be true simply because it\nhas not been proved false.  Or, equivalently, when it is argued that\nsomething must be false because it has not been proved true.  (Note that this\nis not the same as assuming that something is false until it has been proved\ntrue, a basic scientific principle.)\n\nExamples:\n\"Of course the Bible is true.  Nobody can prove otherwise.\"\n\n\"Of course telepathy and other psychic phenomena do not exist.  Nobody has\nshown any proof that they are real.\"\n\nNote that this fallacy does not apply in a court of law, where one is\ngenerally assumed innocent until proven guilty.\n\nAlso, in scientific investigation if it is known that an event would produce\ncertain evidence of its having occurred, the absence of such evidence can \nvalidly be used to infer that the event did not occur.  For example:\n\n\"A flood as described in the Bible would require an enormous volume of water\nto be present on the earth.  The earth does not have a tenth as much water,\neven if we count that which is frozen into ice at the poles.  Therefore no\nsuch flood occurred.\"\n\nIn science, we can validly assume from lack of evidence that something has\nnot occurred.  We cannot conclude with certainty that it has not occurred,\nhowever.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD MISERICORDIAM\n\nThis is the Appeal to Pity, also known as Special Pleading.  The fallacy is \ncommitted when the arguer appeals to pity for the sake of getting a \nconclusion accepted.  For example:\n\n\"I did not murder my mother and father with an axe.  Please don't find me\nguilty; I'm suffering enough through being an orphan.\"\n\nARGUMENTUM AD POPULUM\n\nThis is known as Appealing to the Gallery, or Appealing to the People.  To\ncommit this fallacy is to attempt to win acceptance of an assertion by\nappealing to a large group of people.  This form of fallacy is often\ncharacterized by emotive language.  For example:\n\n\"Pornography must be banned.  It is violence against women.\"\n\n\"The Bible must be true.  Millions of people know that it is.  Are you trying\nto tell them that they are all mistaken fools?\"\n\nARGUMENTUM AD NUMERAM\n\nThis fallacy is closely related to the argumentum ad populum.  It consists of\nasserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more\nlikely it is that that proposition is correct.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD VERECUNDIAM\n\nThe Appeal to Authority uses the admiration of the famous to try and win\nsupport for an assertion.  For example:\n\n\"Isaac Newton was a genius and he believed in God.\"\n\nThis line of argument is not always completely bogus; for example, reference\nto an admitted authority in a particular field may be relevant to a\ndiscussion of that subject.  For example, we can distinguish quite clearly\nbetween:\n\n\"Stephen Hawking has concluded that black holes give off radiation\"\nand\n\"John Searle has concluded that it is impossible to build an intelligent\n computer\"\n\nHawking is a physicist, and so we can reasonably expect his opinions on black\nhole radiation to be informed.  Searle is a linguist, so it is questionable \nwhether he is well-qualified to speak on the subject of machine intelligence.\n\nTHE FALLACY OF ACCIDENT\n\nThe Fallacy of Accident is committed when a general rule is applied to a\nparticular case whose \"accidental\" circumstances mean that the rule is\ninapplicable.  It is the error made when one goes from the general to the\nspecific.  For example:\n\n\"Christians generally dislike atheists.  You are a Christian, so you must\ndislike atheists.\"\n\nThis fallacy is often committed by moralists and legalists who try to decide\nevery moral and legal question by mechanically applying general rules.\n\nCONVERSE ACCIDENT \/ HASTY GENERALIZATION\n\nThis fallacy is the reverse of the fallacy of accident.  It occurs when one\nforms a general rule by examining only a few specific cases which are not\nrepresentative of all possible cases.\n\nFor example:\n\"Jim Bakker was an insincere Christian.  Therefore all Christians are\ninsincere.\"\n\nSWEEPING GENERALIZATION \/ DICTO SIMPLICITER\n\nA sweeping generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a\nparticular situation in which the features of that particular situation\nrender the rule inapplicable.  A sweeping generalization is the opposite of a\nhasty generalization.\n\nNON CAUSA PRO CAUSA \/ POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC\n\nThese are known as False Cause fallacies.\n\nThe fallacy of Non Causa Pro Causa occurs when one identifies something as the\ncause of an event but it has not actually been shown to be the cause.  For \nexample:\n\n\"I took an aspirin and prayed to God, and my headache disappeared.  So God\ncured me of the headache.\"\n\nThe fallacy of Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc occurs when something is assumed to\nbe the cause of an event merely because it happened before the event.  For \nexample:\n\n\"The Soviet Union collapsed after taking up atheism.  Therefore we must avoid\natheism for the same reasons.\"\n\nCUM HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC\n\nThis fallacy is similar to post hoc ergo propter hoc.  It asserts that\nbecause two events occur together, they must be causally related, and leaves\nno room for other factors that may be the cause(s) of the events.\n\nPETITIO PRINCIPII\n\nThis fallacy occurs when the premises are at least as questionable as the\nconclusion reached.\n\nCIRCULUS IN DEMONSTRANDO\n\nThis fallacy occurs when one assumes as a premise the conclusion which one\nwishes to reach.  Often, the proposition will be rephrased so that the\nfallacy appears to be a valid argument.  For example:\n\n\"Homosexuals must not be allowed to hold government office.  Hence any\ngovernment official who is revealed to be a homosexual will lose his job. \nTherefore homosexuals will do anything to hide their secret, and will be open\nto blackmail.  Therefore homosexuals cannot be allowed to hold government\noffice.\"\n\nNote that the argument is entirely circular; the premise is the same as the \nconclusion.  An argument like the above has actually been cited as the reason\nfor the British Secret Services' official ban on homosexual employees. \nAnother example is the classic:\n\n\"We know that God exists because the Bible tells us so.  And we know that the\nBible is true because it is the word of God.\"\n\nCOMPLEX QUESTION \/ FALLACY OF INTERROGATION\n\nThis is the Fallacy of Presupposition.  One example is the classic loaded \nquestion:\n\n\"Have you stopped beating your wife?\"\n\nThe question presupposes a definite answer to another question which has not\neven been asked.  This trick is often used by lawyers in cross-examination,\nwhen they ask questions like:\n\n\"Where did you hide the money you stole?\"\n\nSimilarly, politicians often ask loaded questions such as:\n\n\"How long will this EC interference in our affairs be allowed to continue?\"\nor\n\"Does the Chancellor plan two more years of ruinous privatization?\"\n\nIGNORATIO ELENCHI\n\nThe fallacy of Irrelevant Conclusion consists of claiming that an argument \nsupports a particular conclusion when it is actually logically nothing to do\nwith that conclusion.\n\nFor example, a Christian may begin by saying that he will argue that the\nteachings of Christianity are undoubtably true.  If he then argues at length\nthat Christianity is of great help to many people, no matter how well he\nargues he will not have shown that Christian teachings are true.\n\nSadly, such fallacious arguments are often successful because they arouse\nemotions which cause others to view the supposed conclusion in a more\nfavourable light.\n\nEQUIVOCATION\n\nEquivocation occurs when a key word is used with two or more different\nmeanings in the same argument.  For example:\n\n\"What could be more affordable than free software?  But to make sure that it\nremains free, that users can do what they like with it, we must place a\nlicense on it to make sure that will always be freely redistributable.\"\n\nAMPHIBOLY\n\nAmphiboly occurs when the premises used in an argument are ambiguous because\nof careless or ungrammatical phrasing.\n\nACCENT\n\nAccent is another form of fallacy through shifting meaning.  In this case,\nthe meaning is changed by altering which parts of a statement are\nemphasized.  For example, consider:\n\n\"We should not speak ILL of our friends\"\nand\n\"We should not speak ill of our FRIENDS\"\n\nFALLACIES OF COMPOSITION\n\nOne fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property shared by the parts\nof something must apply to the whole.  For example:\n\n\"The bicycle is made entirely of low mass components, and is therefore very \nlightweight.\"\n\nThe other fallacy of composition is to conclude that a property of a number\nof individual items is shared by a collection of those items.  For example:\n\n\"A car uses less petrol and causes less pollution than a bus.  Therefore cars\nare less environmentally damaging than buses.\"\n\nFALLACY OF DIVISION\n\nThe fallacy of division is the opposite of the fallacy of composition.  Like\nits opposite, it exists in two varieties.  The first is to assume that a\nproperty of some thing must apply to its parts.  For example:\n\n\"You are studying at a rich college.  Therefore you must be rich.\"\n\nThe other is to assume that a property of a collection of items is shared by\neach item.  For example:\n\n\"Ants can destroy a tree.  Therefore this ant can destroy a tree.\"\n\nTHE SLIPPERY SLOPE ARGUMENT\n\nThis argument states that should one event occur, so will other harmful\nevents.  There is no proof made that the harmful events are caused by the\nfirst event.\n\nFor example:\n\"If we legalize marijuana, then we would have to legalize crack and heroin\nand we'll have a nation full of drug-addicts on welfare.  Therefore we cannot\nlegalize marijuana.\"\n\n\"A IS BASED ON B\" FALLACIES \/ \"IS A TYPE OF\" FALLACIES\n\nThese fallacies occur when one attempts to argue that things are in some way\nsimilar without actually specifying in what way they are similar.\n\nExamples:\n\"Isn't history based upon faith?  If so, then isn't the Bible also a form of\nhistory?\"\n\n\"Islam is based on faith, Christianity is based on faith, so isn't Islam a\nform of Christianity?\"\n\n\"Cats are a form of animal based on carbon chemistry, dogs are a form of\nanimal based on carbon chemistry, so aren't dogs a form of cat?\"\n\nAFFIRMATION OF THE CONSEQUENT\n\nThis fallacy is an argument of the form \"A implies B, B is true, therefore A\nis true\".  To understand why it is a fallacy, examine the truth table for\nimplication given earlier.\n\nDENIAL OF THE ANTECEDENT\n\nThis fallacy is an argument of the form \"A implies B, A is false, therefore B\nis false\".  Again, the truth table for implication makes it clear why this is\na fallacy.\n\nNote that this fallacy is different from Non Causa Pro Causa; the latter has\nthe form \"A implies B, A is false, therefore B is false\", where A does NOT in\nfact imply B at all.  Here, the problem is not that the implication is\ninvalid; rather it is that the falseness of A does not allow us to deduce\nanything about B.\n\nCONVERTING A CONDITIONAL\n\nThis fallacy is an argument of the form \"If A then B, therefore if B then A\".\n\nARGUMENTUM AD ANTIQUITAM\n\nThis is the fallacy of asserting that something is right or good simply\nbecause it is old, or because \"that's the way it's always been.\"\n\nARGUMENTUM AD NOVITAM\n\nThis is the opposite of the argumentum ad antiquitam; it is the fallacy of\nasserting that something is more correct simply because it is new or newer\nthan something else.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD CRUMENAM\n\nThe fallacy of believing that money is a criterion of correctness; that those\nwith more money are more likely to be right.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD LAZARUM\n\nThe fallacy of assuming that because someone is poor he or she is sounder or\nmore virtuous than one who is wealthier.  This fallacy is the opposite of the\nargumentum ad crumenam.\n\nARGUMENTUM AD NAUSEAM\n\nThis is the incorrect belief that an assertion is more likely to be true the\nmore often it is heard.  An \"argumentum ad nauseum\" is one that employs\nconstant repetition in asserting something.\n\nBIFURCATION\n\nAlso referred to as the \"black and white\" fallacy, bifurcation occurs when\none presents a situation as having only two alternatives, where in fact other\nalternatives exist or can exist.\n\nPLURIUM INTERROGATIONUM \/ MANY QUESTIONS\n\nThis fallacy occurs when a questioner demands a simple answer to a complex\nquestion.\n\nNON SEQUITUR\n\nA non-sequitur is an argument where the conclusion is drawn from premises\nwhich are not logically connected with it.\n\nRED HERRING\n\nThis fallacy is committed when irrelevant material is introduced to the issue\nbeing discussed, so that everyone's attention is diverted away from the\npoints being made, towards a different conclusion.\n\nREIFICATION \/ HYPOSTATIZATION\n\nReification occurs when an abstract concept is treated as a concrete thing.\n\nSHIFTING THE BURDEN OF PROOF\n\nThe burden of proof is always on the person making an assertion or\nproposition.  Shifting the burden of proof, a special case of argumentum ad\nignorantium, is the fallacy of putting the burden of proof on the person who\ndenies or questions the assertion being made.  The source of the fallacy is\nthe assumption that something is true unless proven otherwise.\n\nSTRAW MAN\n\nThe straw man fallacy is to misrepresent someone else's position so that it\ncan be attacked more easily, then to knock down that misrepresented position,\nthen to conclude that the original position has been demolished.  It is a\nfallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have been\nmade.\n\nTHE EXTENDED ANALOGY\n\nThe fallacy of the Extended Analogy often occurs when some suggested general\nrule is being argued over.  The fallacy is to assume that mentioning two \ndifferent situations, in an argument about a general rule, constitutes a \nclaim that those situations are analogous to each other.\n\nThis fallacy is best explained using a real example from a debate about \nanti-cryptography legislation:\n\n\"I believe it is always wrong to oppose the law by breaking it.\"\n\n\"Such a position is odious: it implies that you would not have supported\n Martin Luther King.\"\n\n\"Are you saying that cryptography legislation is as important as the\n struggle for Black liberation?  How dare you!\"\n\nTU QUOQUE\n\nThis is the famous \"you too\" fallacy.  It occurs when an action is argued to\nbe acceptable because the other party has performed it.  For instance:\n\n\"You're just being randomly abusive.\"\n\"So?  You've been abusive too.\"\n\n\u00ff\n","492":"From: Kurt Godden <godden@gmr.com>\nSubject: GM May Build Toyota-badged Car\nOrganization: GM R&D\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ksg.cs.gmr.com\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d16\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7F46B03C301085E@ksg.cs.gmr.com>\nX-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 13:54:11 GMT\n\nThis appeared today in the \n\nThe Japan Economic Journal reported GM plans to build a Toyota-badged car\nin the US for sale in Japan.  Bruce MacDonald, VP of GM Corporate\nCommunications, yesterday confirmed that GM President and CEO Jack Smith\nhad a meeting recently with Tatsuro Toyoda, President of Toyota.  \nthis meeting the two discussed business opportunities to increase GM\nexports to Japan, including further component sales as well as completed\nvehicle sales,\nparts sales, the two presidents agreed conceptually to pursue an\narrangement whereby GM would build a Toyota-badged, right-hand drive\nvehicle in the US for sale by Toyota in Japan.  A working group has been\nformed to finalize model specifications, exact timing and other details.\n","493":"From: shite@sinkhole.unf.edu (Stephen Hite)\nSubject: Re: Searching for xgolf\nOrganization: University of North Florida, Jacksonville\nLines: 4\n\n   The xgolf program was an April Fool's joke <sigh>.\n\nSteve Hite\nshite@sinkhole.unf.edu\n","494":"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Leaf slump over\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 79\n\nIn <1993Apr13.190225.29001@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:\n\n\n>On March 21, 1993 Roger Maynard wrote (in reply to an article by Graham\n>Hudson):\n\n>>You don't think he is performing \"under pressure\" now?  The major\n>>differences  between playoff hockey and normal hockey is 1. play-\n>>ing every other night which is physically exhausting and 2.   You\n>>play  the  same  team  in a consecutive string of games.  Is this\n>>what you mean by pressure?  Have you even thought about what  you\n>>mean  by pressure, or are your thoughts, like most of the rest of\n>>this drivel, simply half-baked?\n\n>This was <1993Mar21.223936.6192@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, for anybody who\n>would like to check.\n\n>He went on (in another article) to say [paraphrased]\n\n>>\"Playoff hockey\" is just an expression used by announcers to convince\n>>simple-minded folks like yourself that what you are seeing is a better\n>>product than a regular-season game.\n\n>*NOW*, however, in article <1993Apr12.013939.23016@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> \n>(Roger Maynard) writes:\n\n>>With a 4-2 win over a tough Whaler squad the Leafs showed all doubters\n>>what playoff hockey is all about.  \n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n>So, Roger, what exactly *is* playoff hockey all about?  Or is it a convenient\n>phrase to use in certain circumstances only?\n\n>You see, when you spout off with flame bait too many times, sooner or later\n>it catches up with you....\n\nNice try Deepak, but \"tough Whaler squad\" should have clued you in to the\nfact that my Leaf woofing was tongue-in-cheek.\n\nIf playoff hockey is any more intense than the regular season variety then\nit is because the teams are facing each other at least 4 consecutive times\nin 7 days and hockey being the contact sport that it is, some things will\nbe carried over that might dissipate during the regular season.  But that is\nonly for some of the players.  Many of the rest, who have been playing with\ninjuries, who miss their families, or who, like Grant Fuhr, would really\nrather be playing golf, don't really give a damn.  Of course I can't say this\nfor sure, but I believe that this is fairly typical of human nature and I\ndon't think that hockey players are above having what I consider typically\nhuman attitudes.  \n\nWith the recent salary escalations the key players are actually losing \nmoney by participating in the playoffs.  The ones who regard the playoff\n\"take\" as some kind of a bonanza are fringe players who are unlikely\nto consistently be a force in the playoffs.  Now I know some of you are\ngoing to come back with \"winning spirit\" and all of that crap but these\nplayers are professionals after all.  While they may love to play the \ngame that love is entirely incidental to their purpose, which is, to make\na decent living. \n\nOf course, the coach is a professional as well, and part of what he is \nbeing paid to do is motivate the players.  So, if the coach does his\njob well enough the players may respond with a winning effort.\n\nThe second season, is after all, merely an exhibition.  The true Champions\nof the league are the division winners, the teams that come out on top \nafter the long struggle of the season.  The Stanley cup playoffs merely\naccord victory to the team that has remained healthy and \"hot\".  The \nemphasis on the playoffs, with their \"sudden death\" appeal has been promoted\nby the media and the owners with profit purely in mind.  Even if Pittsburgh\nloses the playoffs, we all know that they were really the best team in the\nleague over the year.  They proved it.\n\ncordially, as always,\n\nrm\n\n-- \nRoger Maynard \nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n","495":"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: Not the Omni!\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 18\n\nCharley Wingate (mangoe@cs.umd.edu) wrote:\n: \n: >> Please enlighten me.  How is omnipotence contradictory?\n: \n: >By definition, all that can occur in the universe is governed by the rules\n: >of nature. Thus god cannot break them. Anything that god does must be allowed\n: >in the rules somewhere. Therefore, omnipotence CANNOT exist! It contradicts\n: >the rules of nature.\n: \n: Obviously, an omnipotent god can change the rules.\n\nWhen you say, \"By definition\", what exactly is being defined;\ncertainly not omnipotence. You seem to be saying that the \"rules of\nnature\" are pre-existant somehow, that they not only define nature but\nactually cause it. If that's what you mean I'd like to hear your\nfurther thoughts on the question.\n\nBill\n","496":"From: a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami)\nSubject: Re: note to Bobby M.\nOrganization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre\nLines: 14\nDistribution: sfnet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi\n\nIn <1993Apr10.191100.16094@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n\n>Insults about the atheistic genocide was totally unintentional.  Under\n>atheism, anything can happen, good or bad, including genocide.\n\nAnd you know why this is? Because you've conveniently _defined_ a theist as\nsomeone who can do no wrong, and you've _defined_ people who do wrong as\natheists. The above statement is circular (not to mention bigoting), and,\nas such, has no value.\n-- \nSami Aario         |  \"Can you see or measure an atom? Yet you can explode\na137490@cc.tut.fi  |   one. Sunlight is comprised of many atoms.\"\n-------------------'  \"Your stupid minds! Stupid, stupid!\"\nEros in \"Plan 9 From Outer Space\"     DISCLAIMER: I don't agree with Eros.\n","497":"From: egb7390@ucs.usl.edu (Boutte Erika G)\nSubject: M. contagiosem\nOrganization: The Wild Wacky World of Dolly Parton Clones in Zero Gravity \nLines: 16\n\n\nI was wondering if anyone had any information about Molluscous contagiosem.\nI acquired it, and fortunately got rid of it, but the question still lingers\nin my mind: Where did it come from?  The little bit of info that I have \nreceived about it in the past states that it can be transmitted sexually, but\nalso occurs in small children on the hands, feet and genitalia.\n\nAny information will be greatly appreciated.\n\n\n\n\"I grow old, I grow old;\nI shall wear my trousers rolled.\"\n\n               -T. S. 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The engine was\n\treplaced, not rebuilt, last year due to\n\tsome faulty work done by a lawn mower\n\trepair shop.\n\n\tPRICE:  $600.00\n\tPHONE: 908-582-7028 (Leave Message)\n\n\n","500":"From: bjorndahl@augustana.ab.ca\nSubject: Re: document of .RTF\nOrganization: Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <1993Mar30.113436.7339@worak.kaist.ac.kr>, tjyu@eve.kaist.ac.kr (Yu TaiJung) writes:\n> Does anybody have document of .RTF file or know where I can get it?\n> \n> Thanks in advance. :)\n\nI got one from Microsoft tech support.\n\n-- \nSterling G. Bjorndahl, bjorndahl@Augustana.AB.CA or bjorndahl@camrose.uucp\nAugustana University College, Camrose, Alberta, Canada      (403) 679-1100\n","501":"From: x89olarte1@gw.wmich.edu\nSubject: My computer gets locked!! HELP!!!!!!\nOrganization: Western Michigan University\nLines: 17\n\n\nA weird thing has happened to my computer lately,\nit gets locked (stops doing anything) at any instance\nwithout any reason whatsover. I might be using \nEdit and gets locked, or i might be at the prompt\nat the same occurs. It happens almost once every 3 times\ni connect the computer, Does Anyone have the slight idea\nwhat's wrong with it?\n\n(If i try to use CTRL-ALT-DEL after that, no response. I have\nto turn it off and back on again)\n\nThanks. Any help will be really appreciated.\n\nE-mail if possible as sometimes i can't access this service.\n\nEnrique\n","502":"From: bks2@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (bryan.k.strouse)\nSubject: NHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR GAMES PLAYED 4-19-93\nOrganization: AT&T\nKeywords: Division semis game one\nLines: 77\n\n\n\nNHL PLAYOFF RESULTS FOR 4\/19\/93.\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n                  CONFERENCE SEMI-FINALS        BEST OF SEVEN\n      PATRICK              ADAMS              NORRIS              SMYTHE\n \n NJ                  BUF   (leads 1-0)   STL   (leads 1-0)   WIN               \n PIT   (leads 1-0)   BOS                 CHI                 VAN   (leads 1-0)\n\n NYI                 MON                 TOR                 LA    (leads 1-0) \n WAS   (leads 1-0)   QUE   (leads 1-0)   DET   (leads 1-0)   CAL              \n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nToronto Maple Leafs                       1   1   1   -   3\nDetroit Red Wings    (leads series 1-0)   1   4   1   -   6\n\n1st period: DET, Yzerman 1 - (Gallant, Ciccarelli) 4:48\n\t    TOR, Cullen 1 - (Clark, Gill) 10:44\n\n2nd period: DET, Sheppard 1 - (Probert, Coffey) (pp) 5:04\n\t    DET, Burr 1 - (Racine) (sh) 6;42\n\t    DET, Chiasson 1 - (Coffey) (pp) 11:00\n\t    DET, Howe 1 - (Yzerman, Drake) 14;46\n\t    TOR, Gilmour 1 - (Borschevsky, Ellett) (pp) 19:59\n\n3rd period: DET, Racine 1 - (Primeau, Drake) 5:10\n\t    TOR, Lefebvre 1 - (Cullen, Pearson) 7:45\n\nPowerplay Opportunities-Maple Leafs 1 of 5\n\t\t\tRed Wings   2 of 6\n\nShots on Goal-\tMaple Leafs   5   9   9  -  23\n\t\tRed Wings    13   8  12  -  33\n\nToronto Maple Leafs--Potvin (0-1) (33 shots - 27 saves)\nDetroit Red Wings--Cheveldae (1-0) (23 shots - 20 saves)\n\nATT-19,875\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nWinnipeg Jets                           1   0   1   -   2\nVancouver Canucks  (leads series 1-0)   2   0   2   -   4\n\n1st period: VAN, Adams 1 - (Linden, Bure) (pp) 1:23\n\t    VAN, Craven 1 - (Bure, Murzyn) 9:56\n\t    WIN, Steen 1 - (Shannon, Housley) (pp) 17:53\n\n2nd period: NONE\n\n3rd period: WIN, King 1 - (Barnes) 3:43\n\t    VAN, Linden 1 - (Courtnall, McLean) 12:16\n\t    VAN, Ronning 1 - (Courtnall) 18:31\n\nPowerplay Opportunities-Jets    1 of 3\n\t\t\tCanucks 1 of 6\n\nShots on Goal-\tJets      7   5  10  -  22\n\t\tCanucks   9  12  12  -  33\n\nWinnipeg Jets--Essensa (0-1) (33 shots - 29 saves)\nVancouver Canucks--McLean (1-0) (22 shots - 20 saves)\n\nATT-15,918\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\\|||||\/\n-SPIKE-\n\n\n\n","503":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Re: Minority Abuses in Greece.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 201\n\nIn article <C60B63.G2M@panix.com> mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes:\n\n> Well, ZUMABOT claims just the opposite: That Greeks are not allowing\n>Turks to exit the country. Now, explain this: The number of Turks in\n>Thrace has steadily risen from 50,000 in 23 to 80,000, while the Greeks of\n\nDr. Goebels thought that a lie repeated enough times could finally \nbe believed. I have been observing that 'Poly' has been practicing \nGoebels' rule quite loyally. 'Poly's audience is mostly made of Greeks \nwho are not allowed to listen to Turkish news. However, in today's \ninformed world Greek propagandists can only fool themselves. For \ninstance, those who lived in 1974 will remember the TV news they \nwatched and the newspapers they read and the younger generation can \nread the American newspapers of July and August 1974 to find out what \nreally happened. \n\nThere are in Turkiye the Greek Hospital, The Greek Girls' Lycee \nAlumni Association, the Principo Islands Greek Benevolent Society, \nthe Greek Medical Foundation, the Principo Greek Orphanage Foundation, \nthe Yovakimion Greek Girls' Lycee Foundation, and the Fener Greek \nMen's Lycee Foundation.  \n\nAs for Greece, the longstanding use of the adjective 'Turkish' \nin titles and on signboards is prohibited. The Greek courts \nhave ordered the closure of the Turkish Teachers' Association, \nthe Komotini Turkish Youth Association and the Ksanti \nTurkish Association on grounds that there are no Turks\nin Western Thrace. Such community associations had been \nactive until 1984. But they were first told to remove\nthe word 'Turkish' on their buildings and on their official\npapers and then eventually close down. This is also the \nfinal verdict (November 4, 1987) of the Greek High Court.\n\nIn the city of Komotini, a former Greek Parliamentarian of Turkish\nparentage, was sentenced recently to 18 months of imprisonment\nwith no right to appeal, just for saying outloud that he was\nof Turkish descent. This duly-elected ethnic Turkish official\nwas also deprived of his political rights for a period of three \nyears. Each one of these barbaric acts seems to be none other than \na vehicle, used by the Greek governments, to cover-up their inferiority \ncomplex they display, vis-a-vis, the people of Turkiye. \n\nThe Agreement on the Exchange of Minorities uses the term 'Turks,' \nwhich demonstrates what is actually meant by the previous reference \nto 'Muslims.' The fact that the Greek governments also mention the \nexistence of a few thousand non-Turkish Muslims does not change the \nessential reality that there lives in Western Thrace a much bigger \nTurkish minority. The 'Pomaks' are also a Muslim people, whom all the \nthree nations (Bulgarians, Turks, and Greeks) consider as part of \nthemselves. Do you know how the Muslim Turkish minority was organized \naccording to the agreements? Poor 'Poly.'\n\nIt also proves that the Turkish people are trapped in Greece \nand the Greek people are free to settle anywhere in the world.\nThe Greek authorities deny even the existence of a Turkish\nminority. They pursue the same denial in connection with \nthe Macedonians of Greece. Talk about oppression. In addition,\nin 1980 the 'democratic' Greek Parliament passed Law No. 1091,\nvirtually taking over the administration of the vakiflar and\nother charitable trusts. They have ceased to be self-supporting\nreligious and cultural entities. Talk about fascism. The Greek \ngovernments are attempting to appoint the muftus, irrespective\nof the will of the Turkish minority, as state official. Although\nthe Orthodox Church has full authority in similar matters in\nGreece, the Muslim Turkish minority will have no say in electing\nits religious leaders. Talk about democracy.\n\nThe government of Greece has recently destroyed an Islamic \nconvention in Komotini. Such destruction, which reflects an \nattitude against the Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a \nviolation of the Lausanne Convention as well as the 'so-called' \nGreek Constitution, which is supposed to guarantee the protection \nof historical monuments. \n\nThe government of Greece, on the other hand, is building new \nchurches in remote villages as a complementary step toward \nHellenizing the region.\n\nAnd you pondered. Sidiropoulos, the president of the Macedonian Human \nRights Committee, became the latest victim of a tactic long used by \nthe Greeks to silence critics of policies of forced assimilation \nof the Macedonian minority. A forestry official by occupation, \nSidiropoulos has been sent to 'internal exile' on the island of \nKefalonia, hundreds of kilometers away from his native Florina. \nHis employer, the Florina City Council, asked him to depart in \n24 hours. The Greek authorities are trying to punish him for his \ninvolvement in Copenhagen. He returned to Florina by his own choice \nand remains without a job. \n\nHelsinki Watch, a well-known Human Rights group, had been investigating \nthe plight of the Turkish Minority in Greece. In August 1990, their \nfindings were published in a report titled \n\n 'Destroying Ethnic Identity: Turks of Greece.'\n\nThe report confirmed gross violations of the Human Rights of the \nTurkish minority by the Greek authorities. It says for instance, \nthe Greek government recently destroyed an Islamic convent in \nKomotini. Such destruction, which reflects an attitude against \nthe Muslim Turkish cultural heritage, is a violation of the \nLausanne Convention. \n\nThe Turkish cemeteries in the village of Vafeika and in Pinarlik\nwere attacked, and tombstones were broken. The cemetery in\nKarotas was razed by bulldozers.\n\nShall I go on? Why not? The people of Turkiye are not going \nto take human rights lessons from the Greek Government. The \ndiscussion of human rights violations in Greece does not \nstop at the Greek frontier. In several following articles \nI shall dwell on and expose the Greek treatment of Turks\nin Western Thrace and the Aegean Macedonians.\n\nIt has been reported that the Greek Cypriot administration \nhas an intense desire for arms and that Greece has made \nplans to supply it with the tanks and armored vehicles it \nhas to destroy in accordance with the agreement reached on \nconventional arms reductions in Europe. Meanwhile, Greek \nand Greek Cypriot officials are reported to have planned \nto take ostentatious measures aimed at camouflaging the \ntransfer of these tanks and armored vehicles to southern \nCyprus, a process that will conflict with the spirit of \nthe agreement on conventional arms reduction in Europe.\n\nAn acceptable method may certainly be found when there\nis a will. But we know of various kinds of violent\nbehaviors ranging from physical attacks to the burning\nof buildings. The rugs at the Amfia village mosque were \ndragged out to the front of the building and burnt there. \nShots were fired on the mosque in the village of Aryana.\n\nNow wait, there is more.\n\n  'Greek Atrocities in the Vilayet of Smyrna (May to July 1919), Inedited\n  Documents and Evidence of English and French Officers,' Published by\n  The Permanent Bureau of the Turkish Congress at Lausanne, Lausanne,\n  Imprimerie Petter, Giesser & Held, Caroline, 5 (1919).\n\n  pages 82-83:\n\n<< 1. The train going from Denizli to Smyrna was stopped at Ephesus\n   and the 90 Turkish travellers, men and women who were in it ordered\n   to descend. And there in the open street, under the eyes of their\n   husbands, fathers and brothers, the women without distinction of age\n   were violated, and then all the travellers were massacred. Amongst\n   the latter the Lieutenant Salih Effendi, a native of Tripoli, and a\n   captain whose name is not known, and to whom the Hellenic authorities\n   had given safe conduct, were killed with specially atrocious tortures.\n\n   2. Before the battle, the wife of the lawyer Enver Bey coming from\n   her garden was maltreated by Greek soldiers, she was even stript\n   of her garments and her servant Assie was violated.\n\n   3. The two tax gatherers Mustapha and Ali Effendi were killed in the\n   following manner: Their arms were bound behind their backs with wire\n   and their heads were battered and burst open with blows from the butt\n   end of a gun.\n\n   4. During the firing of the town, eleven children, six little girls\n   and five boys, fleeing from the flames, were stopped by Greek soldiers\n   in the Ramazan Pacha quarter, and thrown into a burning Jewish house\n   near bridge, where they were burnt alive. This fact is confirmed on oath\n   by the retired commandant Hussein Hussni Effendi who saw it.\n\n   5. The clock-maker Ahmed Effendi and his son Sadi were arrested and\n   dragged out of their shop. The son had his eyes put out and was then\n   killed in the court of the Greek Church, but Ahmed Effendi has been\n   no more heard of.\n\n   6. At the market, during the fire, two unknown people were wounded\n   by bayonets, then bound together, thrown into the fire and burnt alive.\n\n   The Greeks killed also many Jews. These are the names of some:\n\n  Moussa Malki, shoemaker          killed\n  Bohor Levy, tailor               killed\n  Bohor Israel, cobbler            killed\n  Isaac Calvo, shoemaker           killed\n  David Aroguete                   killed\n  Moussa Lerosse                   killed\n  Gioia Katan                      killed\n  Meryem Malki                     killed\n  Soultan Gharib                   killed\n  Isaac Sabah                      wounded\n  Moche Fahmi                      wounded\n  David Sabah                      wounded\n  Moise Bensignor                  killed\n  Sarah Bendi                      killed\n  Jacob Jaffe                      wounded\n  Aslan Halegna                    wounded....>>\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","504":"From: kfl@access.digex.com (Keith F. Lynch)\nSubject: Glutamate\nOrganization: Express Access Public Access UNIX, Greenbelt, Maryland USA\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <lso15qINNkpr@news.bbn.com> sher@bbn.com (Lawrence D. Sher) writes:\n> From the N.E.J.Med.  editorial:  \"The dicarboxylic amino acid glutamate\n> is not only an essential amino acid ...\n\nGlutamate is not an essential amino acid.  People can survive quite well\nwithout ever eating any.\n-- \nKeith Lynch, kfl@access.digex.com\n\nf p=2,3:2 s q=1 x \"f f=3:2 q:f*f>p!'q  s q=p#f\" w:q p,?$x\\8+1*8\n","505":"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: Blast them next time\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 22\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:\n\n> The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored\n> transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use\n> more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to\n> do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they\n> must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.\n\nThe BATF is there to collect taxes, not to protect your sorry ass or mine.\n\n> With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed\n> more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is\n> the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. \n\nAll flame-bait, of course.  If you really want to be flame bait, send me\nyour address and I'll tell the BATF about those automatic weapons you\nhave stockpiled.  You'll be warm in no time.\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n","506":"From: un034214@wvnvms.wvnet.edu\nSubject: M-MOTION VIDEO CARD: YUV to RGB ?\nOrganization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing\nLines: 21\n\nI am trying to convert an m-motion (IBM) video file format YUV to RGB \ndata...\n\nTHE Y portion is a byte from 0-255\nTHE V is a byte -127-127\nTHe color is U and V\nand the intensity is Y\n\nDOes anyone have any ideas for algorhtyms or programs ?\n\nCan someone tell me where to get info on the U and V of a television signal ?\n\nIF you need more info reply at the e-mail address...\nBasically what I am doing is converting a digital NTSC format to RGB (VGA)\nfor displaying captured video pictures.\n\nThanks.\n\n\nTHE U is a byte -127-127\n\n","507":"From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU (\"Get thee to a nunnery.....\")\nSubject: Re: Israel's Expansion II\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 67\n\nwaldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu  writes:\n> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (\"Andi Beyer\") writes:\n> \n> > waldo@cybernet.cse.fau.edu  writes:\n> > > ab4z@Virginia.EDU (\"Andi Beyer\") writes:\n> > > \n> > > > First of all I never said the Holocaust. I said before the\n> > > > Holocaust. I'm not ignorant of the Holocaust and know more\n> > > > about Nazi Germany than most people (maybe including you). \n> > > \n> > > Uh Oh!  The first sign of an argument without merit--the stating of one's \n> > > \"qualifications\" in an area.  If you know something about Nazi Germany, \n> > > show it.  If you don't, shut up.  Simple as that.\n> > > \n> > > > \tI don't think the suffering of some Jews during WWII\n> > > > justifies the crimes commited by the Israeli government. Any\n> > > > attempt to call Civil liberterians like myself anti-semetic is\n> > > > not appreciated.\n> > > \n> > > ALL Jews suffered during WWII, not just our beloved who perished or were \n> > > tortured.  We ALL suffered.  Second, the name-calling was directed against\n> > > YOU, not civil-libertarians in general.  Your name-dropping of a fancy\n> > > sounding political term is yet another attempt to \"cite qualifications\" \n> > > in order to obfuscate your glaring unpreparedness for this argument.  Go \n> > > back to the minors, junior.\n> > \tAll humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many\n> > others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are\n> > so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks\n> > for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of\n> > ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since\n> > I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could\n> > write. \n> \n> -----\n> When you're willing to actually support something you say with fact or \n> argument rather than covering up your own inadequacies with feigned \n> offense, let me know.  Otherwise, back to your own league, son.\n  I have never seen such immaturity among semitophiles.  This\nAndi Beyer character shows no signs of anti semitism, yet\nbecause he deviates from the norm of accepted opinion, you\nattack him.  Why did not anyone venture to answer Andi's\nquestion in an intelligent and unoffending manner?  The only\nones guilty here of not backing up there viewpoints with fact\nare the Israelophiles.  Now will we please start having some\nINTELLIGENT conversation?  You all are an insult to you race!\n{assuming you are also semitic}\n\tNow I have a comment concerning Israeli terrorism\nduring the 1930's and 1940's.  The Hirgun, and other branch -\noff militant groups, did fight the British do get them out of\nPalestine.  Yet I fail to see how this Israeli form of\nterrorism was better than the terrorism practiced now by the\nArabs.  These Jewish terrorist groups killed innocent British\nsoldiers, but not only thta also killed many Jews who were in\nfavor of a compromise with the Palestinians.  In addition, they\nmassacred an entire Palestinian village in 1948, contributing\nto the exodus of the frightened Palestinians who feared their\nvery lives.\n\tI mention this not because I'm anti semitic [I'm part\nJewish] but because this self righteousness on the part of the\nIsraelites pisses me off so.  I'm not as critical of the\nPalestinians because they were indeed screwed over by the\nJews.  It 's a damn shame that the Palestinians had to pay for\nGerman and European anti semitism.\n\n\t\t\t\tPissed off at Immature,\n                          Closeminded, Self righteous\n\t\t\t\tSemites\n","508":"From: kilman2y@fiu.edu (Yevgeny (Gene) Kilman)\nSubject: Re: USAToday ad (\"family values\")\nOrganization: Florida International University, Miami\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <C4rzz2.47J@unix.portal.com> danb@shell.portal.com (Dan E Babcock) writes:\n>There was a funny ad in USAToday from \"American Family Association\".\n>I'll post a few choice parts for your enjoyment (all emphases is in\n>the ad; I'm not adding anything). All the typos are mine. :)\n\n[Dan's article deleted]\n\nI found the same add in our local Sunday newspaper.\nThe add was placed in the ..... cartoon section!\nThe perfect place for it ! :-)\n\nY.K.\n\n\n\n","509":"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: ISLAM BORDERS vs Israeli borders\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <C50wJJ.J4r@newsflash.concordia.ca> ilyess@ECE.Concordia.CA (Ilyess Bdira) writes:\n>In article <4805@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:\n>>\n>>What are the borders the Islamic world dreams about ??\n>\n>The Islamic world dreams of being the whole planet, but not by kicking\n>the current inhabitant out, we rather deam of the day everybody converts.\n>If Jews had the same dream, I would not feel threatened a bit.\n\nThere certainly are muslims who *do not* believe that their dream of \na global Islamic community should be achieved through force. There are, \nhowever, others (and, they are often far more visible\/vocal than the \nformer) who *do* accept the establishment of global Islam through force. \nI  would *not* feel threatened by those only accepting or pursuing \n\"Islamicization\" through peaceful means, nor by Jews advocating the same\napproach. Those advocating force as a means of expanding their side's\npower are certainly a threat.\n\nTo Palestinians, Israel is doing just that; maintaining its dominance\nof those *outside* its own \"group\". If I am told that \"I am not one of\nyou\" but you then impose your control on me, damn right you are a threat.\nIf I am a member of a non-muslim minority *inside* the Islamic\nworld and *actively did not* accept my \"minority\" status, I *would also \ncertainly* see Islam's domination as having been acheived, and maintained, \nthrough the powerful coercive force all majorities wield over minorities\nwithin their ranks.\n>>\n>>Islamic readers, I am waiting to your honest answer.\n>\n>I want also a honest answer from Zionists for the following questions:\n\nI am not a zionist, but do feel that *both* Jewish and Palestinian\nnationalist desires need, at this juncture, to be accepted in some way.\n>\n>1)why do jews who don't even believe in God (as is the case with many\n>of the founders of secular zionism) have a right in Palestine more\n>than the inhabitants of Palestine, just because God gave you the land?\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t***\nFor the same reason that some muslims believe it is proper and righteous\nfor Islam to be spread by force upon those who DO NOT WANT THAT. \n\n>2)Why do most of them speak of the west bank as theirs while most of\n>the inhabitants are not Jews and do not want to be part of Israel?\n\n[I refer to the \"most\" you also refer to] \nBecause they are scared, and feel very threatened, as well feeling that \nthis area *is* to some degree part of their belief\/religion\/heritage\/\nidentity\/etc.\n\nI too strongly object to those that justify Israeli \"rule\" \nof those who DO NOT WANT THAT. The \"occupied territories\" are not\nIsrael's to control, to keep, or to dominate.\n>\nTim\n\n\n","510":"From: Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM (Jeff Cook)\nSubject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nOrganization: none\nLines: 51\nIn-reply-to: enzo@research.canon.oz.au's message of 20 Apr 93 22:36:55 GMT\n\nIn article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:\n\n>Now, Space Marketing\n>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on\n>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth\n>orbit.  NASA would provide contractual launch services. However,\n>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates\n>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This\n>may look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of\n>Space Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the\n>project is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone\n>monitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs.\n\nHow could this possibly be \"environmental vandalism\" when there is no\n\"environment\" to vandalize up there?\n\nSince the advertising \"is just to help defray costs\", it's certainly no\nsurprise that \"the taxpayers would bear most of the expense\".  Sounds\nlike a good idea to me, since the taxpayers would bear _all_ of the\nexpense if they didn't do the advertising.\n\n>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize\n>the night sky?\n\nGreat idea, they should have done it long ago.\n\n>What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that\n>it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).\n\nI can't believe that a mile-long billboard would have any significant\neffect on the overall sky brightness.  Venus is visible during the day,\nbut nobody complains about that.  Besides, it's in LEO, so it would only\nbe visible during twilight when the sky is already bright, and even if\nit would have some miniscule impact, it would be only for a short time\nas it goes zipping across the sky.\n\n>Are protesting groups being organized in the States?\n\nNo doubt.  People are always looking for something to protest about, so\nit would be no surprise.\n\n>Really, really depressed.\n\nWell, look on the, er, bright side.  Imagine the looks on the faces of\npeople in primitive tribes out in the middle of nowhere as they look up\nand see a can of Budweiser flying across the sky... :-D\n\n--\n\nJeff Cook                                  Jeff.Cook@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com\n\n","511":"Subject: Re: Western Digital HD info needed\nFrom: oharad@wanda.waiariki.ac.nz\nDistribution: world\nLines: 28\n\n\nIn article <9304172194@jester.GUN.de>, michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards) writes:\n> Holly       KS (cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca) wrote:\n>> My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with\n>> another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right \n>> on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ??\n> \n> The ??-jumper is used, if the other drive a conner cp3xxx. \n> \n> no jumper set: drive is alone\n> MA: drive is master\n> SL: drive is slave\n\nyo,yo,yo .\nthe western digital hd will hve it marked either s,m,a\nput jumper on the s \"its printed on the circuitry underkneth it.\n\nhope i helped i had the same problem.\nbye..\nlater daze.\noharad@wanda.waiariki.ac.nz\n\n\n> \n> Michael\n> --\n> *  michael@jester.gun.de  *   Michael Gerhards   *   Preussenstrasse 59  *\n>                           *  Germany 4040 Neuss  *  Voice: 49 2131 82238 *\n","512":"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Installing RAM in a Quadra 800\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 55\n\ntruesdel@ics.uci.edu (Scott Truesdell) writes:\n\n>This is an aside to Brian Hughes's (please, let's lose the cute phony names\n>everybody) posting about adding memory to a Quadra 800.\n\n    What phony names? My name is clearly visible in the headers, and I\nsing the post with my account name. If you have a problem with that,\nthen you will have to get over it. I've used this account name for over\n10 years and the people who have been reading newsgroups for the last 7\ngenerally recognize \"Hades\" as my account name. I have no intention of\nchanging the way I post.\n\n>I installed a couple of 16MB SIMMs in my Quadra and was somewhat dismayed\n>by the general complexity of the operation compared to, for example, the\n>wonderfully designed LC III. It irritates me when Apple refuses to tell how\n>to do it in the User's Manual so you have to guess at how to disassemble\n>the devise in question (it's the same for adding memory to LaserWriter\n>Pro's).\n\n    It isn't Apple's responsibility to tell its customers how to fool\naround with it's hardware. That is what Apple Service Techs get paid to\ndo. I personally like the design of the Q800, and applaud Apple for\ncoming up with a good way to make use of the front space for all of\nthose drive bays. I like it a lot better than the 900\/950 design, except\nfor those people who need Drive Arrays. I do, however, agree with you\nabout the LW Pro design.\n\n>The operation isn't very complicated if even a minimal amount of help were\n>offered but Apple leaves you working blind.\n\n    Again, its's not Apple's place to make it easy for non-certified\nservice people to fool around with Apple hardware, even if they did buy\nit. Of course you are free to do what you want to your Mac, just don't\nget upset when your Apple Service Rep tells you that your warranty is no\nlonger valid.\n\n>After the memory was installed I was distraught that the top of the SIMMs\n>came into contact with the plastic case frame. Mine actually contacted the\n>framework with quite a lot of pressure -- enough so that the assembly of\n>the board back to the proper position was rather difficult and required\n>some force. I could have filed a little excess material off the top of the\n>SIMM boards but chose to let it stand as is. I have not had problems with\n>RAM yet so I will consider the problem annoying but not catastrophic.\n\n    This sounds like the kind of problem I had when I installed 4MB\nSIMMs into an LC, back before low-profile 4MB SIMMs were readily\navailable. The standard 4MB SIMMs would contact the top of the case and\nmake it a bit difficult to close the LC, but it did close and work just\nfine. One of the nice things about Logic-Boards is that they are\ngenerally quite flexible and can withstand a fair amount of pressure.\n\n-Hades\n\n\n\n","513":"From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)\nSubject: What is REGLOAD.EXE?\nKeywords: regload\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 15\n\nPerusing through my Windows 3.1 directory, I came across a file\ncalled REGLOAD.EXE.  I assume this is part of the registration\ndatabase, but neither my Windows manual, Win Resource Kit, nor\nPC Mag's description of files in the Windows directory had a\nreference to it.  At least not one that I could find.  Does\nREGEDIT.EXE use it?  Or am I way off base?\n\n-- \n Peter Goudswaard                  _________                     _________\n goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred)      |         |      __\/^\\__      |         |\n pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca           |         |      \\     \/      |         |\n pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca               |         |   _\/\\_\\   \/_\/\\_   |         |\n                                  |         |   >           <   |         |\n \"There's no gift like the present\"         |    >_________<    |         |\n    - Goudswaard's observation    |_________|         |         |_________|\n","514":"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: [long]: Gun Hearings Day in Massachusetts (April 7)\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 263\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\n[This is a co-authored report from two of us who were there.]\n\nGun Owners Action League, our state rifle association, started the day\nwith a rally in the secluded courtyard behind the statehouse at 9:30.\nIt was looking sparse (about 40 people) until the speaker began,\nwhereupon about 120 more people followed the loudspeakers from\nwherever they had been lost, and filled out the area something proud.\n\nMike Yacino of GOAL spoke.  One of his best throwaway lines was to\nremind us that all of us holders of carry permits there had been\nchecked and certified clear of all crimes by the state; while the\npeople in the Statehouse behind us only had to be certified clean of\n\"election fraud\" to hold their jobs.\n\nNancy Snow and Amos Hamburger were busy handing out ID buttons and\nsheets describing all the bills to be presented at the hearings, and\ntelling people where to find their own representatives (and in too\nmany cases, who they were).\n\nMike warned us that the committee was going to suspend its rules and\ndiscuss a bill that hadn't made it onto the official list.  It seems a\ndelegation of students from Simon's Rock of Bard College (alma mater\nof Wayne Lo, who shot up the place with an SKS late last year) was\nbeing bussed in to testify for a bill to ban all sales of firearms or\nammo to anyone who is not a state resident.\n\nThe hearings were originally scheduled in the (large) Gardner\nAuditorium at 10:30, but that had been pre-empted by the Governor's\nhearings on the Framingham Eight (women in prison for killing abusive\nhusbands, and seeking release).  So we had until 1:30 to buttonhole\nour representatives, after which we would be squashed into an\ninadequate hearing room.\n\nOne of my representatives' staffers was somewhat offensively smarmy.\nHe said, \"Oh, it must be gun hearings day again!  The gun lobby is\nalways so organized every year.\"  I got a little pissed, and replied,\n\"I'm not from the gun lobby -- I'm from your district.\"\n\nAt 12:30, your second reporter arrived in time to notice a\ndemonstration going on in front of the statehouse (where the\npro-gunners weren't).  Randy Price from the TV News was there, in his\nmirror reflective shades, talking to one of the anti-gun types, and\nseveral Simon's Rock anti-gun \"close-the-loophole\" protestors.\n(Earlier, Randy had covered the GOAL rally.)\n\nThe room we had been assigned seated about 50.  Remember, there were\nabout 160 gun owners there, plus another 20-30 students and teachers\nfrom Bard.  One of us had already reserved a seat; the other never got\ncloser than the atrium outside -- and there was a crowd behind HIM.  A\ncop took up station at the entrance and prevented the rest of the\ncrowd from coming in.  Soon after the debate started, a loudspeaker\nwas set up outside in the hall for the benefit of everyone else.\n\nEveryone who was there (inside and outside) got to sign up on a sheet\nsaying what their position was on which bills.  Most of us signed up\nto \"support GOAL's position\" on \"all bills.\"\n\nFirst, because of their time constraints, public officials got to\ntestify.  And first up was the bill that nobody had seen (the students\nhad some curfew, I guess).  \n\nCurrently, Massachusetts law allows a non-resident to purchase long\nguns or ammo from a local dealer provided he complies with the laws of\nhis own state.  Previously, the law was similar, but applied only to\nnon-residents from states adjoining Massachusetts.  The Simon's Rock\nfolks called the current law a \"loophole\" and wanted it closed.\n\nTwo of their reps spoke about Wayne Lo and his \"SKS assault rifle.\"\nThe second one, Hodgekiss, a co-sponsor, had done his homework so well\nthat he kept confusing Montana (Wayne Lo's home state) with Missouri,\nand became belligerent when about five gun owners in the gallery\ncorrected him after his second muff.  Carr, from Gloucester, claimed\nthat the new bill would put the law back the way it was, but he was\nlying: the new bill allows purchases by non-residents of adjoining\nstates ONLY if they have licensing in their own state \"as strong as\"\nthat in Massachusetts.  Since none of them do, that's that.\n\nSome of the things these two said were really offensive.  \"In some of\nthese other states, anyone can buy a gun as long as he's breathing!\"\n(Oooooo!)  \"We have some very, very good gun laws in Massachusetts; if\nonly the other states would adopt the same type of laws, we wouldn't\nbe having this situation -- but they won't.\"  (Naughty, naughty!)\n\nNext up was Boston city councilman Albert \"Dapper\" O'Neill.  He was\nthere to testify pro-gun, but in some ways he was a liability.  He's\nreasonably elderly and tends to wander and repeat himself, plus he's\nalmost a caricature of a law-n-order politician.  He badmouthed the\nACLU, said violent criminals should be executed, and that if he were\njudge, he'd give arrestees their \"last rights\" (pun intended) on the\nspot (at which many of the gun owners applauded, which bothered me.)\nHe said that all the proposed gun restrictions were a step in the\nright direction -- for the criminals.  He said this FOUR times :-(\n\nTwo of the bills under consideration would allow police to rescind a\nCCW or FID, and confiscate all your guns, if someone had filed a\nrestraining order against you.  (Note that the filing of a restraining\norder requires no warrant, no hearing, no evidence, and no conviction\n-- just an accusation.)  Senator Barrett of Reading testified in favor\nof it, and patronized the pro-gunners there several times by saying,\n\"I'm sure all the gun owners here will agree with me that we have to\nget these weapons out of the hands of people that our courts have\nconvicted.\"  I haven't seen such a disgustingly disingenuous\nperformance since Nixon whined that he wasn't a crook.\n\nBarrett also spoke in favor of the bill making the FID card renewable\nevery five years, instead of permanent as it is now.  The stated\npurpose is to remove FID cards from those who have become ineligible.\n\"Revenue has nothing to do with it.\"  (Yeah, right.)  Apparently, some\ncongressmen think we're stupid enough to swallow the argument that\nit's preferable to process 1.6 million renewals every cycle in the\nvague hope of catching a recent felon than to simply take the goddamn\ncard away from a criminal at conviction time.  As usual, hassle the\nlaw-abiding instead of the crook.\n\nThe two co-chairs of the committee were Rep. Caron and Sen. Jujuga.\nJujuga didn't say much (he was a co-sponsor of both \"restraining\norder\" bills) but Caron struck me as a sharp guy that wouldn't let any\nbad logic or lies on the part of either side to go unchallenged.  (He \nwas a co-sponsor of one of the \"restraining order\" bills as well.)  One\nof the younger reps on the committee (forgot his name) was\nvociferously pro-gun, somewhat embarrassingly so.  His heart was in\nthe right place, but his arguments seemed to be confined to, \"every\nyear it's the same damn thing, you come in here with this crap...\"\nIt's nice to have a friend on the committee, but he could have been\nmore effective.\n\nAt about 3:00, it was clear that the hall-jam couldn't continue.\nSomeone came out of another meeting hall and yelled at the cop because\nthe loudspeaker was disturbing their meeting, so the loudspeaker was\ndisconnected.  So they found a bigger hall upstairs.  One of us had\nto leave to catch his charter bus, and so missed the \"public\"\ntestimony; the other got a seat this time.\n\nCaron began by talking about how he got his FID 16 years ago, left the\nstate, and then returned without notifying them of his address change.\nHe complained that the state record system was not up-to-date and that\nhis PD back in his city of birth still thought he lived there.  Great\nquote: \"If you purchase a gun today, it will not get into the state\ncomputer system until 1999.\"  (This was also an argument he used\nagainst the renewable FID card.)\n\nTestimony was heard from several \"battered women,\" one of whom had\nbeen attacked by some guy in his 20's who had an FID card because he\ngot it when he was 15 or thereabouts.  They used a lot of emotion and\nsaid how they were scared of these men.  A staffer of Attorney General\nHarshbarger testified in favor of this anti-gun bill, saying how\n50,000 restraining orders were granted last year, and how these women\nneeded to be protected.  Caron noted that a restraining order was\ngranted for 10 days, and then a hearing was held to determine whether\nthe order would be extended to a year.  He asked whether she would be\nsatisfied if the FID were revoked at the time of this hearing rather\nthan after the initial issuance of the FID.  She gave some long\nrambling circumlocution in response.\n\nThen testimony against the bill was heard.  Mike Yacino (who looks\nsomething like Einstein) got up and made the point that restraining\norders were issued on too little evidence, that judges like to issue\nrestraining orders just to let things cool off no matter who they\nthink is right (man or woman), and that the hearings for restraining\norders are lightning sessions with little time to consider facts.\nAtty. Karen McNutt spoke with him a few times during his testimony.\n\nOther pro-gunners got up to testify.  One said he had had to file a\nrestraining order against a tenant to clear her out, and that she\ncountered by filing one against him!  He noted that this would have\nallowed the state to confiscate his guns if the new bill became law.\nOne of the junior reps noted that \"this is America\" and we have to be\ncertain that individual rights are respected.  Senator Jujuga\nreiterated this, saying that \"people who abuse smaller people can go\nto Hell as far as I care, but we have to be careful about equating\nconviction with a restraining order.\"  (Point and match, Senator.)\n\nAnother pro-gunner got up and testified that he didn't know his\ncitizenship \"expired every 5 years,\" and that a driver's license was a\nprivilege, not a right like the right to keep and bear arms.\n\nA third got up and said the problem was with the criminal justice\nsystem, and argued in favor of a death penalty bill and public\nhangings.  Senator Jujuga said he had himself tried to get a death\npenalty bill passed, and joking responded that he, too, favored public\nhangings.  The speaker then responded, \"I'll make you a deal.  You get\nme the rope, and I'll tie the noose.\"\n\nNext came public testimony on the Simon's Rock bill.  A teacher\ntestified that she had been the teacher of Wayne Lo, and that \"he\nwouldn't have been able to shoot people inside a building while he was\noutside\" without his evil gun.  She said that the \"loophole\" should be\nclosed to prevent something like this from \"ever happening again\".\n\nFour or five other kids testified in favor of this bill, one of\nspilling tears for the good legislators.  One of the students actually\nshot by Wayne Lo was also there.  Many of them had T shirts on,\nsaying, \"As long as one person can buy a gun in anger, none of us are\nsafe -- support gun control.\"  The committee was reluctant to grill or\ncorrect the kids, except for Caron, who corrected one student who had\nclaimed that anyone could apply for an FID.  \"Only residents can get\nFID's,\" he said.  (How much do you want to bet that this kid had no\nidea he had been conned into testifying for a bill that would cut\nout-of-staters completely off?)\n\nYacino and McNutt spoke again, this time noting that the bill as\nwritten would affect both ammo AND ALL guns possessed by\nout-of-staters.  Karen also noted that hunters in CT, NH, and VT could\nbe put away for a year if they wandered across the MA boundary\nsomewhere in the woods and got challenged by game wardens.  Yacino\nunderscored the fact that Lo COULD have gotten an FID as a resident\nstudent -- and, hell, even an CCW, as he had NO criminal or mental\nrecord.\n\nOne junior rep was upset that it would take MA residents longer to buy\na gun than out-of-staters, and thought it was \"elitist\".  Another\n(Caron?) said that we need the protection of preventing non-residents\nfrom buying without an FID because only two other states in the union\nhad \"FID-type\" cards, so complying with all the laws of one's home\nstate was \"not enough.\"  One pro-gun speaker replied that this\nresembled a mother watching her son in a marching band and exclaiming,\n\"Everyone's out of step but Johnny!\"\n\nAll the Bard College people were filing out as the pro-gun testimony\nfor this bill was made, and thus only pro-gunners were around when the\nother bills came under consideration.  The main bills remaining (and\nGOAL's position) were:\n\no  H.4375 and four others: Notify police chiefs so they can pull \n   licenses when a holder is convicted (strongly supported)\n\no  H.1732: Require trigger locks on all handguns sold (opposed)\n\no  H.962: Require trigger locks on all loaded firearms (strongly\n   opposed)\n\no  H.1350: Allow every municipality to enact their own gun laws \n   (opposed)\n\no  H.1731: Fund bullet-proof vests for municipal police (supported)\n\no  S.1097: State Constitutional Amendment for the RKBA (supported)\n\no  Several on police discretion in the issuance of FID cards (opposed)\n\no  Several altering non-resident license conditions (supported)\n\no  H.1135: Ban damn near all guns everywhere in the state (guess!)\n\nSome of these took only 30 seconds to consider, as the remaining\npro-gunners raised hands in unison either for or against them.\n\nMike Yacino noted that, besides the danger in screwing with a trigger\nlock on a loaded gun, that bill would make it illegal for a licensee\nto carry his concealed handgun unless it were locked.\n\nCaron blew right through H.1350 when he saw that we opposed it.\nAgain, he brought up the state's archaic records capability and said,\n\"This would create hundreds of different licensing systems.\"\n\nThe session ran late -- since it was the last scheduled hearing, it\ncould not be adjourned until everyone who wanted to had testified.  It\nended at about 6:30.\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n","515":"From: wongda@eecg.toronto.edu (Daniel Y.H. Wong)\nSubject: LOOKING FOR THE LATEST ACTIX DRIVERS FOR WINDOWS\nOrganization: Dept. of Electrical Engineering, University of Toronto, Canada\nDistribution: comp\nLines: 14\n\nHi, anyone have the latest drivers for the Actix Graphics Accelerator Card? \n(32 plus) The one I have (version 1.21) seem to have a lot of problems. \nI believe the latest version is 1.3 and would someone please \nupload it to some ftp site so that I can download it. \n\nThanks \n\n\n-- \n\n\nDaniel Y.H. Wong\t\t\t\t\tUofT:(416)978-1659\nwongda@picton.eecg.toronto.edu\t\t\t\tElectrical Engineering\n--\n","516":"From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary The Burgermeister Huckabay)\nSubject: Call for Votes - DTBL MVP and CY.  Please vote!\nArticle-I.D.: ucdavis.C52s31.49q\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Harold Brooks Hot & Sour Soup Club, Ltd.\nLines: 79\n\nThe regular season of the 1992-93 Davis Tabletop Baseball League has\njust come to an end.  To help us with next year's league, I would\nappreciate it if you would take a couple of minutes and vote for\nour league MVP and CY winners.  These awards, and players' standings\nin them, will inflate their salaries for next year's league.\n \nPlease vote for 5 in each category, in order.  For example...\n \n1.  Barry Bonds\n2.  Frank Thomas\n3.  Biff Pocoroba\n4.  Shooty Babitt\n5.  \"Lips\" Lundy.\n \nPlease do NOT vote for pitchers in MVP voting for this league.  Each team\nin the league gets one candidate for MVP, and one for CY.  Defensive\nposition is listed where applicable, along with an abbreviation of\ntheir performance there (E=Excellent, V=Very Good, A=Average, \nP=Poor, B=Very Poor) Thanks... please reply by April 10.\nFor the record - the season was 144 games long.  Thanks for your help.\n \nMVP Candidates\n \nName       G  AB  H   2B 3B HR  R  RBI BB  K   SB  CS  IBB  BA\/OBP\/SLG DEF\nGriffey   124 338 99  27 0  16 44  64  39  50  0   0   16  293\/362\/515 8-P\nEMartinez 139 562 176 55 3  14 85  87  44  77  14  5   6   313\/359\/496 5-A\nSandberg  137 559 163 35 6  20 100 102 64  67  4   1   2   292\/360\/483 4-V\nVentura   144 562 161 32 0  9  83  59  80  61  0   1   3   286\/374\/391 5-E\nMcGriff   148 533 150 25 1  33 89  98  102 132 0   3   20  281\/398\/518 3-P\nMcGwire   138 487 134 31 1  34 108 104 128 100 0   3   38  275\/425\/552 3-E\nRAlomar   127 515 159 23 8  5  85  34  70  67  54 11   1   309\/389\/414 4-P\nDykstra   144 582 157 27 1  3  94  60  65  67  89 20   3   270\/339\/335 8-A\nButler    137 534 158 13 13 1  82  50  83  69  13 19   0   296\/386\/375 8-B\nDeer      119 425 103 26 1  33 66  75  44  141 1   3   2   242\/311\/541 9-V\nBonds     145 465 143 39 4  33 128 101 187 62  23  5   68  308\/502\/622 7-E\nHrbek     129 423 112 21 0  12 62  52  80  77  1   0   2   265\/380\/400 3-P\nJGonzalez 135 543 121 17 1  38 59  85  28  146 0   0   2   223\/259\/468 8-B\n \nSome players missed time due to injuries, others were sat down at the end\nto avoid the possibility of injury.  There are better players than those \non this list, but each team gets one and only one candidate.  Some players\nplayed more than 144 games due to being traded to teams with more games\nleft in the same time span.  Now, on to the pitchers...\n \nName       ERA  G   W L  S   IP    H  BB   K   HR   GS  CG  ShO  WP\nDMartinez  3.01 30 15 8  0  209.1 173 76  124  12   30   2   0   2\nDibble     0.80 37 0  2  25 33.2  21  8    46  1    0    0   0   0\nRijo       3.40 26 13 7  0  177.1 175 56  133  12   26   5   1   5\nMussina    2.92 29 15 7  0  206.2 167 46  119  15   29   3   1   2\nBenes      3.24 28 14 9  0  194.1 172 53  127  13   28   4   1   1\nKHill      2.93 27 16 7  0  196.2 144 64  166  20   26   8   3   1\nSmoltz     3.62 28 11 11 0  186.1 177 66  158  9    28   6   1   7\nCone       3.46 28 14 7  0  197.2 152 103 193  10   28   7   1   5\nDrabek     2.79 29 13 10 0  206.2 166 55  131  16   29   4   0   2\nTewksbury  3.28 25 12 8  0  172.2 168 36  64   8    25   4   2   1\nClemens    2.94 31 16 11 0  223.1 198 71  178  13   31   17! 2   1\nTomlin     2.48 28 12 5  0  196.0 172 42  97   8    27   1   0   2\nFarr       0.81 38 4  1  17 55.1  28  25  38   1    0    0   0   0\n \nThere you have it.  Curt Schilling threw a perfect game during the year,\nand Ken Hill threw a no-hitter.  Rob Dibble had pitched 32 scoreless\ninnings to start the year, only to choke in the last two games to cost\nthe Perot's Giant Sucking Sounds a playoff spot.  \n \nIf you want stats of more players, they are available by request.  Please\ntake the time to reply if you can.  Thanks.\n \n \n\n-- \n*     Gary Huckabay      * Kevin Kerr: The Al Feldstein of the mid-90's! *\n* \"A living argument for * If there's anything we love more than a huge  *\n*  existence of parallel * .sig, it's someone quoting 100 lines to add   *\n*       universes.\"      * 3 or 4 new ones.  And consecutive posts, too. *\n-- \n\t\t\t\t  '''\n                                 (o o)\n\/----------------------------oOO--(_)--OOo------------------------------------\\\n|    David Zavatson     |Mein Schatz, es ist soweit.  Unsere Liebe ist vorbei.|\n","517":"From: trb3@Ra.MsState.Edu (Tony R. Boutwell)\nSubject: HOT NEW 3D Software\nKeywords: Imagine,3d\nNntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nLines: 20\n\nThere is a new product for the (IBM'ers) out there... it is called\nIMAGINE and it just started shipping yesterday... I can personally attest that it will blow the doors off of 3D-Studio.  It is made by IMPUlSE, and is in its\n3rd version....(1st) for the IBM.... it can do morphing, your standard key-framming animation, it is a raytracer (reflections & shadows), and can do\/apply special FX to objects... (like ripple, explode, bounce) things of that nature.  Also it has algorithmic texture maps....and your standard brushmapping also...\n\nyou can have animated brushmaps...(ie. live video mapped on the objs)...\nalso animated backdrops (ie. live video backgrounds)\nalso animted reflections maps....\n\nyou get the idea.... it will run for about 500$ retail (I think)...\n\ndont let the low price fool you.... this product can do it all when it\ncomes to 3D-animation and Renderering...!\n\nalso....does anyone here know how to get in the Imagine mailing list??\nplease e-mail me if you do or post up here....\n\noh...the number for IMPULSE is --->1 800 328 0184\n\ntrb3@ra.msstate.edu\n\n","518":"From: rcs8@po.CWRU.Edu (Robert C. Sprecher)\nSubject: PC Syquest on a Mac??\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIs it possible, ie via creative cable splicing or whatever, to\nhook a Syquest 44MB removable drive to a Mac?\n\nIs there any difference with the guts of the drive or is it\njust cable differences?\n\nThanks.\n\nRob\n-- \nRob Sprecher\nrcs8@po.cwru.edu\n","519":"From: russ@pmafire.inel.gov (Russ Brown)\nSubject: Re: Altitude adjustment\nOrganization: WINCO\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes:\n>I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities\n>quite frequently, on business.  The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000\n>feet of altitude.  One of them especially is very polluted...\n\nMexico City, Bogota, La Paz?\n>\n>Often I feel faint the first two or three days.  I feel lightheaded, and\n>my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level.  Also, it is very\n>dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep\n>away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol.\n>\n\n>Thing is, I still have symptoms.  How can I ensure that my short trips there\n>(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible?\n>Is there something else that I could do?\n\nGo three days early.  Preliminary acclimatization takes 3-4 days.  It\ntakes weeks or months for full acclimatization.  Could you be\nexperiencing some jet lag, too?\n\n\n","520":"From: zklf0b@wwnv28.hou.amoco.com (Fergason)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nOrganization: Amoco Production\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1ql7ug$i50@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes:\n>In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu>, jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes:\n>|> \n>|> \tI was wondering if people had any good uses for old\n>|> 256k SIMMs.  I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac\n>|> and I know lots of other people do to.  I have tried to\n>|> sell them but have gotten NO interest.\n>|> \n>|> \tSo, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy\n>|> some SIMMs  8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing\n>|> about it.\n>\n>The most practical use I've seen for them is as key ring ornaments :-)\n>\n>JohnH\n\nI used a bunch as weights, when building a model airplane.  Hung them\non the stringers, across the stringer, or whatever.  Worked pretty well.\n\nKelly\n\n","521":"From: wyatt@chem.nrl.navy.mil (JRW)\nSubject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor\nLines: 39\nOrganization: NRL\n\nIn article <1qjfa0INN6g5@titan.ucs.umass.edu> dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd) writes:\n>From: dtodd@titan.ucs.umass.edu (David M. Todd)\n>Subject: Re: Shopping for a new [NEC?] monitor\n>Date: 15 Apr 1993 07:01:20 -0400\n>In article <1qhppp$gha@darwin.sura.net> wbarnes@sura.net (Bill Barnes) writes:\n>>Basically I'm looking for a 15\" SVGA (1024x768) non-interlaced\n>>monitor.  The NEC 4FG is the one most of the computer mags use as\n>>their standard, and from what I've seen and heard it looks pretty\n>>good, but it's a bit expensive (700 bucks is the best deal I've seen).\n>>So I thought perhaps I might find something as good for less.  Any\n>>recommendations?  I also thought about the NEC 3FGx, which has the\n>>same specs as the 4FG except for the scan frequency, which is more\n>>limited; anybody have any comments on this one?  Would it work with\n>\n>I believe that NEC is replacing the 4FG and 3FGx with 4FGe and 3FGe\n>models, reportedly being released at the end of this month.  I'm\n>waiting for a 4FGe, the main difference being a 3 year warranty and\n>higher refresh rates at the higher resolutions.  It sounded from a PC\n>Magazine note that the 3FGe was being boosted in a number of ways.\n>Call the NEC 800 number and have them send you info.\n>\n>\n>|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David M. Todd ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|\n>|Department of Psychology, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003 USA|\n>|Phone: 413\/545-0158 ___ <David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU> ____  Fax: 413\/545-0996|\n>\n>\n>\n>\nI have been using a NEC 3FGx for several months now.  Several others here \nalso have this monitor.  We have had no problems.  Personally I would spend \nextra money for this monitor and sacrifice other features on a PC such as 33 \nMHz viz 50 Mhz.  Based on the comments of others you might want to view the \n3FGX vs the 4 series on a PC running windows at 1024x768.  The refresh rate \nappears ok for me, but you might feel differently.  Finally speaking of \nspending money, with the size of today's files, etc, a tape backup is \ncertainly worth $200-$300.  Recently I set up a friend's PC 50Mhz and VESA \nlocal bus.  The redraw time for a graphics program was only a factor of 2 \nfaster which I doubt warrants the extra cost.\n","522":"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)\nSubject: Re: Police radar....Just how does it work??\nOrganization: your service\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com\n\nI've seen several references to split- or separate-beam radars, which I\nclaimed didn't exist.  Gotta eat some crow here - I wasn't aware of them.\nAll I really knew was that it can be done with one beam.\n\nI believe the rest of what I said is accurate, though.\n\nMmmmmmm....crow.... (oops-wrong group)\n","523":"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie)\nSubject: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: Rowan College of New Jersey\nLines: 114\n\nDean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of\nMoody Bible Institute:\n\n>  The other day, I was at the dry cleaner and the radio was playing.\n>  It caught my attention because a talk show guest was criticizing\n>  evangelical Christians, saying we believe in absolutes and think we\n>  are the only ones who know what the absolutes are.\n\n>  We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant\n>  moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed\n>  His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic\n>  importance of those absolutes.\"\n\nThere has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on\nexactly what the criticism of \"arrogance\" is aimed at.\n\nThe arrogance being attacked is that we \"think we are the only ones who know\nwhat the absolutes are\".  In short, many evangelicals claim that they are\ninfallible on the matter of religious texts.\n\nIn particular, the problem is one of epistemology.  As a shorthand, you can\nthink of epistemology as \"how do you know?\"  That question, it turns out, is\na very troubling one.\n\nThe problem with `absolute certainty' is that, at the bottom, at least some of\nthe thinking goes on inside your own head.  Unless you can be certain that\neverything which happens in your head is infallible, the reasoning you did to\ndiscover a source of truth is in question.\n\nAnd that means you do NOT have absolute justification for your source of\nauthority -- which means you do NOT have absolute certainty.\n\n\nLet's take the specific example of Biblical Inerrancy, and a fictional\nInerrantist named Zeke.  (The following arguments applies to the idea of\nPapal Infallibility, too.)\n\nZeke has, we presume, spent some time studying the Bible, and history, and\nseveral other topics.  He has concluded, based on all these studies (and\npossibly some religious experiences) that the Bible is a source of Absolute\nTruth.\n\nHe may be correct; but even if he is, he cannot be certain that he is correct.\nHis conclusion depends on how well he studied history -- he may have made\nmistakes, and the references he used may have contained mistakes.  His\nconclusion depends on how well he studied the Bible -- he may have made\nmistakes.  His conclusion depends on his own reasoning -- and he may have made\nmistakes.  (Noticing a common thread yet?  8-)\n\nEverything about his study of the world that he did -- everything that\nhappened in his own head -- is limited by his own thinking.  No matter what\nhe does to try and cover his mistakes, he can never be certain of his own\ninfallibility.  As long as ANY PART of the belief is based on his own\nreasoning, that belief cannot be considered \"absolutely certain\".\n\nZeke believes that he has found a source of absolute truth -- but that belief\nis only as good as the quality of the search he made for it.  Unless he can\nsay that his own reasoning is flawless, his conclusions are in doubt.\n\nAny belief that you hold about absolute sources of truth depends in part on\nyour own thinking -- there is no way out of the loop.  Only an infallible\nthinker can have absolute certainty in all his beliefs.\n\n\nThis is easy to demonstrate.  Let's go back to our shorthand method of doing\nepistemology: \"how do you know?\"  Imagine a hypothetical discussion:\n\n A: The Bible is a source of absolute truth.\n\n B: How do you know?\n\n A: I studied history and the Bible and religious writings and church\n    teachings and came to this conclusion.\n\n B: How do you know you studied history correctly?\n\n A: Well, I double-checked everything.\n\n B: How do you know you double-checked correctly?\n\n A: Well, I compared my answers with some smart people and we agreed.\n\n B: Just because some smart guy believes something that doesn't mean it is\n    true.  How do you know THEY studied it correctly?\n\n A: ...\n\nAnd, as you see, B will eventually get A to the point where he has to say \"I\ncan't prove that there are no mistakes\" -- and as long as you may have made a\nmistake, then you cannot be ABSOLUTELY certain.\n\nThere is no way out of the loop.\n\n\nThis is where the \"arrogance of Christians\" arises: many people believe\nthat their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the\ndoctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are\ninfallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake.\n\nClaiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led\nyou to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant.\n\n *\n\nPeople who want to see this argument explained in great detail should try to\nfind _The Infallibility of the Church_, by George Salmon.  He is attacking\nthe idea that the Pope can be knowably infallible (and he does so very well),\nbut the general argument applies equally well to the idea that the Bible is\nknowably Inerrant.\n\n\nDarren F Provine \/ kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu\n\"At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded.\"\n                                                    -- Ludwig Wittgenstein\n","524":"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: Re: Revelations - BABYLON?\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 27\n\nHal Heydt writes:\n\n>That was only the fall of the *Western* Empire.  The *Eastern* Empire\n>continued for another 1000 years--and a key element in it's fall was\n>the *Christian* sack of Constantinople.\n\nNote that I said the fall of Rome, not of the Empire.  The Roman Empire\nlasted until 1453, with its transfered capital in Constantinople.  The\nmain reason for it's fall was not so much the sack of Constantinople by\nthe men of the 4th Crusade (who were not Christians - they had been\nexcommunicated down to the last man after attacking the Christian city\nof Zara in Croatia), but rather the disastorous defeat in the battle of\nMazinkert.  After the Turks breached the frontier, it was only a matter\nof time before the Empire fell, the inability of the Empire to hold onto\nthe rim of Anatolia, with the Ottomans and Rum Seljuks in the middle\nshould be quite obvious to any student of history.  The sack of\nConstantinople only hastened the inevitable along.  For if the Greeks\nhad wanted to save their empire, why would they not cooperate with the\nCrusaders when they came to do battle with the Saracens in the 1st-3rd\nCrusades?  Because of their obstinacy over cooperating with people they\nconsidered heretics, even though those \"heretics\" were fighting for the\ncause of the Empire and Christendom in doing battle with the Turkish\nhordes in Anatolia, Edessa, Lebanon, Palastine, and Syria, the some\nhordes who were to later sack Constantinople, and overrun a third of\nEurope (the Balkans, Hungary, the Ukraine, the Caucasus, etc.)\n\nAndy Byler\n","525":"From: set@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (ViSioNary Gfx)\nSubject: ATTENTION SUPER NINTENDO AND GENESIS PLAYERS READ THIS\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 56\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\n\n\nIM pleased to announce a new revolutionary device that allows you to\ncopy super nintendo and genesis games to floppy disk.  Then later\nplay from floppy disk with out the cart.  This is a independent system\nthat interfaces with your SNES or Genesis.\n\nOTHER FEATURES\n\n*Store multiple copies of cart. save game to disk (up to 32 saves to disk)\n\n*Save your position in SNES games that don't norally have a save feature\n\n*Switch your SNES into slow motion mode\n\n*Use codes to get unlimited lives and other \"cheats\" in many games.\n\nThe Multi-Game Hunter is capable of copying both SNES and Genesis game \ncarts to standard IBM PC formated floppy disks. The games can them be played directly from the floppy disk. NOTE:IT does not require a PC\n\nFull color on-screen icons and menus make operation for the MGH so simple\nthat even a child could operate it.  Options can be selected simply by choosing the selection with the game controller and pressin a button.\n\nAdd a Game saver adapter to your system for more game playing power.  The\nGame saver allows you to save your position to disk in almost any SNES game!\nReload your saved position any time.  Enable it's slow-motion feature for those really tough games.\n\nFor more control over game play, We have the Game finger software.  The\ngame finger software can give you unlimited lives or warp you to new levels in\nyour favorite SNES games.  Bring back to life those really frustrating games.\n\nAlso if you know how to program 6518 6502 ASM code you can create your own\nSNES demos or games.\n\nMGH includes\n\nBase unit,disk drive (high density 3.5 drive), 16megabit RAM, 256 SRAM,\nall adapters and comes ready to hook up to your gameing system.\n\nONly thing not included is the power supply which you can pick up at\nradio shack.\n\nAll for only $500\n\nDISCLAMER\n\nthe customer assumes all responsibility for the use and or misuse of this \nproduct.  We in no way encourage nor condone the use of this product for\nsoftware piracy.  This device is intended soley for making legal backup\ncopies.  Neither Nintendo or Sega has giving official endorsement of the \nproducts described herein.\n\nEmail me for more info or to make a purchase\n.\n\n\n","526":"From: al@qiclab.scn.rain.com (Alan Peterman)\nSubject: Re: \"ELECTRONIC\" ODOMETER\nOrganization: SCN Research\/Qic Laboratories of Tigard, Oregon.\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C5Fp8B.2Co@megatest.com> alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes:\n>If I'm not mistaken, altering the odometer is *illegal*.  Furthermore,\n>I surmise it'll be tough to alter BMW's odometer if you got at it.\n>Some of the newer BMW's have electronic odometers making it even\n>more tamperproof.\n\nOn the cars mentioned - 3 series from the late 80's the \"electronic\"\nodometer is really a mechanical drum type odometer, that is driven\nby pulses from a speed sensor on the rear axle.  These pulses are \nconverted into mechanical pulses that turn the odometer - and speedometer.\nNo way changing or erasing an eprom is going to change the mileage\nreading.  It also means the odometer is just as easy (or hard) to\nchange as any other mechanical odometer.\n\nOn the other hand it is a bit easier to disconnect the speed sensor\nand run the car with no speedometer or odometer reading...a simple\nswitch will do the job.  It also will disable the speed limiter,\nwhich will enable the car to reach it's full speed.  ;-)\n\n\n-- \nAlan L. Peterman                                 (503)-684-1984 hm & work\n                       al@qiclab.scn.rain.com\nIt's odd how as I get older, the days are longer, but the years are shorter!\n","527":"From: lance@hartmann.austin.ibm.com (Lance Hartmann)\nSubject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 & Windows problems!!!\nSummary: Users complain of service from Diamond.\nReply-To: lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM, Austin\nKeywords: diamond video s3 windows\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1pifisINNhsr@dns1.NMSU.Edu> jdiers@dante.nmsu.edu (DIERS) writes:\n>\n>I own a Stealth 24 card from diamond.  When using the 640X480x16.7mil win 3.1\n>driver the card and driver work but are not very fast.  ALL of the other\n>windows drivers have a number of bugs.  Shadows remain when windows are\n>erased and text boxes are often unreadable.  All attempts to get help from\n>Diamond have failed.  I have called the Tech support and never been able\n>to get past the hold line (a toll call) in a reasonable time (ie 10min).\n>Leaving voice mail has not helped either.  The BBS is a joke! It always\n>has too many people on to download anything.  You cannot even get a file\n>listing (it considers that a download!).  I have faxed the tech support group.\n>All this with no reponse.\n>\n>The bottom line is if you are looking for a fast card and want to use it\n>for windows, DO NOT get a Diamond product.  Try another vendor, I wish I had.\n\nWhile others here may have had better experiences, I, too, share the\nsentiments posted above.  Though I have the original Stealth\/VRAM,\nit is only \"relatively\" recent that the Windows drivers for this card\nhave evolved to a point of decent performance.  Note that there are\nSTILL a couple of modes I cannot use (ie. will not) due to shadowing,\nmis-drawn check boxes, etc.  I believe the version I have is 2.01.\nIf there's a more recent release, I'd appreciate if someone would\ndrop me a note to let me know -- I haven't been able to get on their\nBBS lately to check again.  Naturally, Diamond doesn't even bother\nnotifying me of fixes\/releases.\n\nDiamond was helpful when I finally reached the \"right\" person in curing\nsome of my Windows' problems due to an address conflict.  The conflicting\naddresses (2E0, 2E8) were OMITTED in at least my version of the\nDiamond\/VRAM manual.  I hope it has been corrected by now.  The tech rep\nexplained that ALL S3-based boards use these addresses.  I have not\nconfirmed the validity of that statement.\n\nWhen I upgrade my motherboard in the near future (hopefully with some\nform of local bus), I'll seek a video solution from someone other than\nDiamond.\n\nLance Hartmann (lance%hartmann.austin.ibm.com@ibmpa.awdpa.ibm.com)\n               Yes, that IS a '%' (percent sign) in my network address.\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nAll statements, comments, opinions, etc. herein reflect those of the author\nand shall NOT be misconstrued as those of IBM or anyone else for that matter.\n","528":"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)\nSubject: Re: Rejetting carbs..\nKeywords: air pump\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO\nLines: 58\n\nIn article <jburney.734756216@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov> jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) writes:\n>\n>If we are only talking about 4-stroke (I think I can understand exhaust\n>pulse affect in a 2-stroke), the intake valve is closed on the\n>exhaust stroke and the gas is pushed out by the cyclinder.  I guess\n>there is some gas compression that may affect the amount pushed out\n>but the limiting factor seems to be the header pipe and not the \n>canister.  Meaning: would gases \"so far\" down the line (the canister)\n>really have an effect on the exhaust stroke?  Do the gases really \n>compress that much?\n\n    For discussion purposes, I will ignore dynamic effects like pulses\nin the exhaust pipe, and try to paint a useful mental picture.\n\n1.  Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force\nair into the intake tract is _atmospheric_.  At the time the intake\nvalve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only\nthe difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after\nthe exhaust stroke) and atmospheric.  As the piston decends on the\nintake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing\natmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract.  At no time\ndoes the pressure ever become \"negative\", or even approach a good\nvacuum.\n\n2.  At the time of the exhaust valve closing, the pressure in the\ncombustion chamber is essentially the pressure of the exhaust system up\nto the first major flow restriction (the muffler).  Note that the volume\nof gas that must flow through the exhaust is much larger than the volume\nthat must flow through the intake, because of the temperature\ndifference and the products of combustion.\n\n3.  In the last 6-8 years, the Japanese manufacturers have started\npaying attention to exhaust and intake tuning, in pursuit of almighty\nhorsepower.  At this point in time, on high-performance bikes,\nsubstitution of an aftermarket free-flow air filter will have almost\nzero affect on performance, because the stock intake system flows very\nwell anyway.  Substitution of an aftermarket exhaust system will make\nvery little difference, unless (in general) the new exhaust system is\n_much_ louder than the stocker.\n\n4.  On older bikes,  exhaust back-pressure was the dominating factor.\nIf free-flowing air filters were substituted, very little difference\nwas noted, unless a free-flowing exhaust system was installed as well.\n\n5.  In general, an engine can be visualized as an air pump.  At any\ngiven RPM, anything that will cause the engine to pump more air, be it\non the intake or exhaust side, will cause it to produce more horsepower.\nPumping more air will require recalibration (rejetting) of the carburetor.\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | \"You can't wear out       |\n| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |\n| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|\n| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |\n| '65 R50\/2\/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |\n|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |\n| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief.\"        |\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","529":"From: david@terminus.ericsson.se (David Bold)\nSubject: Re: Question for those with popular morality\nReply-To: david@terminus.ericsson.se\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Camtec Electronics (Ericsson), Leicester, England\nLines: 50\nNntp-Posting-Host: bangkok\n\nPaul Hudson Jr (hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu) writes:\n\n>I was not directly going to come up with a moral argument for the  existence\n>of God.  Rather, I was trying to show the absurdity of atheistic materialist\n>relatavists trying to embrace some common moral system as though it were\n>absolute.  Man knows in his heart that there is right and wrong.  We have\n>all inherited this knowledge.  \n\nNo matter how \"absurd\" it is to suggest that a common moral system created by\nmankind is absolute, it is not contrary to reason to suggest that a common\nmoral system created by mankind is sensible. In fact, for the Bible to be of\nany use to mankind as a moral code, it must be interpreted by mankind and a\nworkable moral system created for everyday use.\n\nThe Jewish Talmud is the result of centuries of Biblical scholars analysing\nevery word of the Torah to understand the morality behind it. The Children of\nIsrael were given a very strict set of Moral, Civil, Judicial and Ceremonial\nLaws to follow and yet this was clearly not enough to cover every instance\nof moral dilemma in their Society. For a Christian, the situation is no better.\n\nIt seems to me that the only code of morality that we have from the Judeo-\nChristian God is that which is contained in the Bible (which we can see from\nthe diverse opinions in the Christian newsgroups is not clear). There may well\nbe an absolute morality defined by the Judeo-Christian God for mankind to\nfollow but it seems that we only have a subset simply because the concept was\nwritten down by man.\n\nThis leads to the problem of defining morality for our society. If we take the\ndivine Morality then we have a code of practice which may be interpreted in many\ndifferent ways (as an example, consider the immolation of heretics in the\nfifteenth century and the interpretation of the Bible which allows a man to do\nthat to another man under the precept to administer Justice). If we take an\nagnostic Morality then we have a code of practice that can be modified to suit\nsociety (with all the danger that this implies). Alternatively, we could take\nthe basis of the Judeo-Christian morality and interpret\/extend this to create\nand justify a code of morality which suits the society we live in and enables\nthe people to live Righteously (as many Christian and Non-Christian philosophers\nhave done).\n\nWhatever the driving force behind the definition of morality for our society, I\nthink the important aspect is the result.\n\nDavid.\n\n---\nOn religion:\n\n\"Oh, where is the sea?\", the fishes cried,\nAs they swam its clearness through.\n\n","530":"From: ezzie@lucs2.lancs.ac.uk (One of those daze...)\nSubject: Borland turbo C libraries for S3 graphics card\nOrganization: Lancaster University Computer Society\nLines: 5\n\nI've recently got hold of a PC with an S3 card in it, and I'd like to do some\nC programming with it, are there any libraries out there that will let me\naccess the high resolution modes available via Borland Turbo C?\n\n\tAndy\n","531":"From: swh@capella.cup.hp.com (Steve Harrold)\nSubject: Re: Need Info on Diamond Viper Video Card\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino\nLines: 46\n\nExperiences with Diamond Viper VLB video card\n\nSeveral problems:\n\n1) The ad specified 16.7 million colors at 640x480 resolution with 1MB\n   of VRAM, which is what I have. This color depth is NOT SUPPORTED\n   with video BIOS version 1.00 and drivers version 1.01. A max of 65K\n   colors are supported at 640x800 and 800x600 resolutions with 1MB\n   VRAM.\n\n2) With the 65K color choice I notice two minor irritations:\n\n   a) Under NDW, when an entry in a list is highlighted (such as in an\n      Open menu) and then is deselected, a faint vertical line often\n      remains where the left edge of the highlighted rectangle used to\n      be.\n\n   b) With Word for Windows, when you use shading in a table, the\n      display shows the INVERSE of the shading; for example, if you\n      shade the cell as 10%, the display is 90% (the printout is OK).\n\n3) The big killer bug is using the Borland C++ Integrated Development\n   Environment. The problem occurs when you click on the Turbo Debugger\n   icon (or use the Debugger option in the Run command), and the\n   debugger application goes to VGA character mode (as it is designed\n   to do). The screen goes haywire, and is largely unreadable. The\n   Turbo Debugger display is all garbled.\n\n   Through trial and error, I have found that when the disrupted screen\n   is displayed you should do [Alt-Spacebar] followed by the letter\n   \"R\". This instructs Turbo Debugger to refresh the screen, and it\n   does this satisfactorily. I wish I didn't have to do this.\n\n   The bug is more than with the Diamond drivers. The same disruptive\n   behavior happens with the standard VGA driver that comes with\n   Windows. There must be something in the video card that mishandles\n   the VGA mode.\n   \n   The problem is not my monitor. The same bug shows up when I use\n   another monitor in place of my usual one.\n\nI still like this video card, and am hoping its problems will be\nremedied (they do offer a 5 year warranty).\n\n---\nswh, 20apr93\n","532":"From: dlo@druwa.ATT.COM (OlsonDL)\nSubject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n} \tThe vast majority get through life without ever having to\n} \town, use or display a firearm.\n} ...\n} \n}       Given society\n} \tas we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of\n} \tas many guns as possible.\n\nConsidering that the uses include self defense, hunting, target shooting\nand collecting, I don't buy the notion that the vast majority of people\ndon't \"own, use or display a firearm\".\n\nBut let's say your contention is true.  What's the point of \"get[ting]\nrid of as many guns as possible\", if they weren't being used anyway?\n--\nDavid Olson            dlo@drutx.att.com\n\"Well, I did say we'll put it out and we'll put it out when we can.\n But I don't know what we can put out or when we can put it out.\"\n -- George Stephanopolous.\n","533":"From: enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori)\nSubject: Vandalizing the sky.\nOrganization: Canon Information Systems Research Australia\nLines: 38\n\nFrom the article \"What's New\" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research:\n\n........\nWHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993  Washington, DC\n\n1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE \"SPINOFFS\" WE WERE PROMISED?\nIn 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published \"The\nMan Who Sold the Moon,\" which involved a dispute over the sale of\nrights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this\n hideous vision of the future.  Observers were\nstartled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the\npad with \"SCHWARZENEGGER\" painted in huge block letters on the\nside of the booster rockets.  Space Marketing Inc. had arranged\nfor the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie. Now, Space Marketing\nis working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on\na plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth\norbit.  NASA would provide contractual launch services. However,\nsince NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates\n(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense. This\nmay look like environmental vandalism, but Mike Lawson, CEO of\nSpace Marketing, told us yesterday that the real purpose of the\nproject is to help the environment! The platform will carry ozone\nmonitors he explained--advertising is just to help defray costs.\n..........\n\nWhat do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize\nthe night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.\nWhat about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that\nit might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).\nIs NASA really supporting this junk?\nAre protesting groups being organized in the States?\nReally, really depressed.\n\n             Enzo\n-- \nVincenzo Liguori                             | enzo@research.canon.oz.au\nCanon Information Systems Research Australia | Phone +61 2 805 2983\nPO Box 313 NORTH RYDE NSW 2113               | Fax   +61 2 805 2929\n","534":"From: khalsa@spartanSanDiego.NCR.com (G.K. Khalsa)\nSubject: Re: Options that would be great to have...\nReply-To: g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com\nOrganization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing, San Diego, CA\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <93Apr16.185510.36600@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca\n(Charles Parr) writes:\n> \n> \n> \n> A list of options that would be useful. They can be existing\n> options on a car, or things you'd like to have...\n> \n> 1) Tripmeter, great little gadget. Lets you keep rough track of\n>    mileage, makes a good second guesser for your gas gauge...\n> \n> 2) Full size spare\n> \n> 3) Built in mountings and power systems for radar detectors.\n> \n> 4) a fitting that allows you to generate household current with\n> the engine running, and plug ins in the trunk, engine compartment\n> and cabin.\n> \n> Feel free to add on...\n\nOK...\n\n5) How about a fuel gauge that *really* told you how much fuel was\n   left.  Like, \"can I make it to where the gas is $1.14 or should\n   I get gouged right here at $1.35?\"  Accurate to the tenth of a\n   gallon would be great.\n\n...............................................................\n|                    |   On Contract To:                      |\n|     GK Khalsa      |      NCR Engineering and Manufacturing |\n|....................|      16550 W. Bernardo Dr.             |\n|  (619) 485-2460    |      San Diego, CA 92127               |\n!....................!........................................!\n!.................g.k.khalsa@sandiego.ncr.com.................!\n\n","535":"From: bill@thd.tv.tek.com (William K. McFadden)\nSubject: Re: Cable TVI interference\nKeywords: catv cable television tvi\nArticle-I.D.: tvnews.1993Apr15.193218.13070\nOrganization: Tektronix TV Products\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <VL812B2w165w@inqmind.bison.mb.ca> jim@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (jim jaworski) writes:\n>What happens when DVC (Digital Videon Compression) is introduced next \n>year and instead of just receiving squiggly lines on 2 or 3 channels \n>we'll be receiving sqigglies on, let's see 3*10 = 30 channels eventually.\n\nSince the digital transmission schemes include error correction and\nconcealment, the performance remains about the same down to a very low\ncarrier-to-noise ratio, below which it degrades very quickly.  Hence,\ndigitally compressed TV is supposed to be less susceptible to interference\nthan amplitude modulated TV.\n\n-- \nBill McFadden    Tektronix, Inc.  P.O. Box 500  MS 58-639  Beaverton, OR  97077\nbill@tv.tv.tek.com, ...!tektronix!tv.tv.tek.com!bill      Phone: (503) 627-6920\nHow can I prove I am not crazy to people who are?\n","536":"From: melons@vnet.IBM.COM (Mike Magil)\nSubject: Re: Israel does not kill reporters.\nLines: 26\n\n>\n>   Anas Omran has claimed that, \"the Israelis used to arrest, and\n>sometime to kill some of these neutral reporters.\"  The assertion\n>by Anas Omran is, of course, a total fabrication.  If there is an\n>once of truth iin it, I'm sure Anas Omran can document such a sad\n>and despicable event.  Otherwise we may assume that it is another\n>piece of anti-Israel bullshit posted by someone whose family does\n>not know how to teach their children to tell the truth.  If Omran\n>would care to retract this 'error' I would be glad to retract the\n>accusation that he is a liar.  If he can document such a claim, I\n>would again be glad to apologize for calling him a liar.  Failing\n>to do either of these would certainly show what a liar he is.\n\nWhy retract your accusation that he's a liar?  If Omran retracts his \"verbal\ndiarrohea\" doesn't that only prove the liar he *really* is?  A retraction\nwould be pointless!  Giving this guy the opportunity to \"save face\" after\nuttering such bullshit would just encourage him to do it again!  I must say\nthat your style is very impressive, Mark.  Keep it up!\n\n- Mike\n\n---\n       MI     KE   MIK    EMIK   EMI  K        \"Opinions expressed above\n       M I   K E  M   I  K        E   M         are my own and not that\n       M  I K  E  MIKEM  I  KEM   I   K         of 'Big Blue'\"\n       M   I   K  E   M   IKE M  IKE  MIKE\n","537":"From: jml@norman.vi.ri.cmu.edu\nSubject: Re: Radar Jammers And Stealth Cars\nNntp-Posting-Host: westend.vi.ri.cmu.edu\nReply-To: jml@visus.com\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 6\n\nEric H. Taylor writes\n> ... If you are determined\n> to go faster, get an airplane. They dont have speed limits.\n\nJust don't make a habit of buzzing your local airport at >200 knots\n(250 knots if you're flying a jet).  :-)\n","538":"From: jed@pollux.usc.edu (Jonathan DeMarrais)\nSubject: Crypto Conference\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 11\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu\n\nI need to know the following information about the upcoming\nCrypto Conference; The address to submit articles, and the\nnumber of copies needed.  Thanks,\n\t\t\t\tJonathan DeMarrais \n\t\t\t\tjed@pollux.usc.edu\n\n-- \n--- Jay      jed@pollux.usc.edu          (University of Southern California)\n\nWhat a depressingly stupid machine.\n                                     Marvin\n","539":"From: herzog@dogwalk.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Herzog - SunSoft Product Engineering)\nSubject: Re: Xsun not running on SPARCclassic\nOrganization: Sun\nLines: 18\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dogwalk\n\nIn article <1r3th9INNdtp@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> rank@winf.uni-passau.de (Christian Rank) writes:\n>I've installed X11R5 with patches for Solaris 2.1 on our SPARCstation LX \/\n>SPARCclassic pool. On the LX, X11R5 runs fine, but on the classics,\n>after giving the command startx, Xsun prints the following messages:\n>\tWARNING: cg3_mmap: can't map dummy space!\n>\tMapping cg3c: No such device or address\n>and exits.\n>\n>Does anybody know how to fix this problem?\n\nI'm just guessing here, but I'd guess that X11R5 expects the CG3 to have\n1152x900 resolution, and the version of the CG3 in the SPARCclassic is \n1024x768.\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDisclaimer: I do not represent SunSoft, Inc., Sun Microsystems, Inc., etc., etc.\nBrian Herzog, SunSoft          herzog@Eng.Sun.COM             ...!sun!eng!herzog\n","540":"From: brian@meaddata.com (Brian Curran)\nSubject: Re: I've found the secret!\nOrganization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH\nLines: 19\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: taurus.meaddata.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.161730.9903@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n|> \n|> Why are the Red Sox in first place?  Eight games into the season, they\n|> already have two wins each from Clemens and Viola.  Clemens starts\n|> again tonight, on three days rest.\n\nHuh?  Clemens pitched last on Saturday, giving him his usual four days\nrest.  \n\n|> What's up?  Are the Sox going with a four-man rotation?  Is this why\n|> Hesketh was used in relief last night?\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBrian Curran                 Mead Data Central              brian@meaddata.com \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n            \"I didn't think I should've been asked to catch\n                 when the temperature was below my age.\"\n               - Carlton Fisk, Chicago White Sox catcher, \n              on playing during a 40-degree April ball game\n","541":"From: sweda@css.itd.umich.edu (Sean Sweda)\nSubject: Royals final run total...\nOrganization: University of Michigan - ITD Consulting and Support\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stimpy.css.itd.umich.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\n\nI've been saying this for quite some time, but being absent from the\nnet for a while I figured I'd stick my neck out a bit...\n\nThe Royals will set the record for fewest runs scored by an AL\nteam since the inception of the DH rule.  (p.s. any ideas what this is?)\n\nThey will fall easily short of 600 runs, that's for damn sure.  I can't\nbelieve these media fools picking them to win the division (like our\nTom Gage of the Detroit News claiming Herk Robinson is some kind of\ngenius for the trades\/aquisitions he's made)\n\nc-ya\n\nSean\n\n\n--\nSean Sweda                                      sweda@css.itd.umich.edu\nCSS\/ITD Consultant\t\t\t   President, Bob Sura Fan Club\nGM\/Manager Motor City Marauders\nInternet Baseball League\t\t\t\t   \"play ball!\"\t\n","542":"From: heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath)\nSubject: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism)\nOrganization: University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <Apr.12.03.42.49.1993.18778@athos.rutgers.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n>I would like to see Christians devote a bit less effort to _bashing_\n>paganism and more to figuring out how to present the Gospel to pagans.\n>\n>Christ is the answer; the pagans have a lot of the right questions.\n>Unlike materialists, who deny the need for any spirituality.\n>\n>\n\n\tOne of the things I find intersting about pagan beliefs is\ntheir belief in a feminine deity as well as a masculine deity. Being\nbrought up in a Christian household, I often wondered if there was God\nthe Father, where was the mother? Everyone I know who has a father\nusually as a mother. It just seemed rather unbalanced to me. \n\tFortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not\nfall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both\nwithout gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both\na masculine and feminine force. It provides a sense of balance I find\nsorely lacking in most theologies, a lack which I think is responsible\nfor a lot of the unbalanced ways in which we see the world and treat\neach other.\n-- \nTerrance Heath\t\t\t\theath@athena.cs.uga.edu\n******************************************************************\nYOUR COMFORT IS MY SILENCE!!!!! ACT-UP! FIGHT BACK! TALK BACK!\n******************************************************************\n","543":"From: khettry@r1w2.pub.utk.edu (23064RFL)\nSubject: Testing !!\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Computing Center\nDistribution: utk\nLines: 6\n\n\tJust Testing !!!\n\tNo flames please !\n\nBye\n\n\n","544":"From: mycal@NetAcsys.com (Mycal)\nSubject: ATARI 2600 Processors \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: ACSYS, Inc.\nLines: 19\n\n\nFor all people that are interested in every aspect of the 2600 try the\nzine:\n\n2600 connection\n$1 cash to :\nTimothy Duarte\nPO Box N, 664\nWestport, MA 02790\n\nfor sample\n\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nPGP key on request.       mycal@netacsys.com\n                                                              \\ \/\/\nMycal's way of skiing moguls:                                 \/\/ \\\nturn, turn, turn, air, survive, survive, survive...     No Risk, No Rush\n","545":"From: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nSubject: Space FAQ 14\/15 - How to Become an Astronaut\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\nArticle-I.D.: cs.astronaut_733694515\nExpires: 6 May 1993 20:01:55 GMT\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nLines: 313\nSupersedes: <astronaut_730956661@cs.unc.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\n\nArchive-name: space\/astronaut\nLast-modified: $Date: 93\/04\/01 14:39:02 $\n\nHOW TO BECOME AN ASTRONAUT\n\n    First the short form, authored by Henry Spencer, then an official NASA\n    announcement.\n\n    Q. How do I become an astronaut?\n\n    A. We will assume you mean a NASA astronaut, since it's probably\n    impossible for a non-Russian to get into the cosmonaut corps (paying\n    passengers are not professional cosmonauts), and the other nations have\n    so few astronauts (and fly even fewer) that you're better off hoping to\n    win a lottery. Becoming a shuttle pilot requires lots of fast-jet\n    experience, which means a military flying career; forget that unless you\n    want to do it anyway. So you want to become a shuttle \"mission\n    specialist\".\n\n    If you aren't a US citizen, become one; that is a must.  After that,\n    the crucial thing to remember is that the demand for such jobs vastly\n    exceeds the supply.  NASA's problem is not finding qualified people,\n    but thinning the lineup down to manageable length.\tIt is not enough\n    to be qualified; you must avoid being *dis*qualified for any reason,\n    many of them in principle quite irrelevant to the job.\n\n    Get a Ph.D.  Specialize in something that involves getting your hands\n    dirty with equipment, not just paper and pencil.  Forget computer\n    programming entirely; it will be done from the ground for the fore-\n    seeable future.  Degree(s) in one field plus work experience in\n    another seems to be a frequent winner.\n\n    Be in good physical condition, with good eyesight.\t(DO NOT get a\n    radial keratomy or similar hack to improve your vision; nobody knows\n    what sudden pressure changes would do to RKed eyes, and long-term\n    effects are poorly understood.  For that matter, avoid any other\n    significant medical unknowns.)  If you can pass a jet-pilot physical,\n    you should be okay; if you can't, your chances are poor.\n\n    Practise public speaking, and be conservative and conformist in\n    appearance and actions; you've got a tough selling job ahead, trying\n    to convince a cautious, conservative selection committee that you\n    are better than hundreds of other applicants.  (And, also, that you\n    will be a credit to NASA after you are hired:  public relations is\n    a significant part of the job, and NASA's image is very prim and\n    proper.)  The image you want is squeaky-clean workaholic yuppie.\n    Remember also that you will need a security clearance at some point,\n    and Security considers everybody guilty until proven innocent.\n    Keep your nose clean.\n\n    Get a pilot's license and make flying your number one hobby;\n    experienced pilots are known to be favored even for non-pilot jobs.\n\n    Work for NASA; of 45 astronauts selected between 1984 and 1988,\n    43 were military or NASA employees, and the remaining two were\n    a NASA consultant and Mae Jemison (the first black female astronaut).\n    If you apply from outside NASA and miss, but they offer you a job\n    at NASA, ***TAKE IT***; sometimes in the past this has meant \"you\n    do look interesting but we want to know you a bit better first\".\n\n    Think space:  they want highly motivated people, so lose no chance\n    to demonstrate motivation.\n\n    Keep trying.  Many astronauts didn't make it the first time.\n\n\n\n\n    NASA\n    National Aeronautics and Space Administration\n    Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center\n    Houston, Texas\n\n    Announcement for Mission Specialist and Pilot Astronaut Candidates\n    ==================================================================\n\n    Astronaut Candidate Program\n    ---------------------------\n\n    The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has a need for\n    Pilot Astronaut Candidates and Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidates\n    to support the Space Shuttle Program. NASA is now accepting on a\n    continuous basis and plans to select astronaut candidates as needed.\n\n    Persons from both the civilian sector and the military services will be\n    considered.\n\n    All positions are located at the Lyndon B. Johnson Space Center in\n    Houston, Texas, and will involved a 1-year training and evaluation\n    program.\n\n    Space Shuttle Program Description\n    ---------------------------------\n\n    The numerous successful flights of the Space Shuttle have demonstrated\n    that operation and experimental investigations in space are becoming\n    routine. The Space Shuttle Orbiter is launched into, and maneuvers in\n    the Earth orbit performing missions lastling up to 30 days. It then\n    returns to earth and is ready for another flight with payloads and\n    flight crew.\n\n    The Orbiter performs a variety of orbital missions including deployment\n    and retrieval of satellites, service of existing satellites, operation\n    of specialized laboratories (astronomy, earth sciences, materials\n    processing, manufacturing), and other operations. These missions will\n    eventually include the development and servicing of a permanent space\n    station. The Orbiter also provides a staging capability for using higher\n    orbits than can be achieved by the Orbiter itself. Users of the Space\n    Shuttle's capabilities are both domestic and foreign and include\n    government agencies and private industries.\n\n    The crew normally consists of five people - the commander, the pilot,\n    and three mission specialists. On occasion additional crew members are\n    assigned. The commander, pilot, and mission specialists are NASA\n    astronauts.\n\n    Pilot Astronaut\n\n    Pilot astronauts server as both Space Shuttle commanders and pilots.\n    During flight the commander has onboard responsibility for the vehicle,\n    crew, mission success and safety in flight. The pilot assists the\n    commander in controlling and operating the vehicle. In addition, the\n    pilot may assist in the deployment and retrieval of satellites utilizing\n    the remote manipulator system, in extra-vehicular activities, and other\n    payload operations.\n\n    Mission Specialist Astronaut\n\n    Mission specialist astronauts, working with the commander and pilot,\n    have overall responsibility for the coordination of Shuttle operations\n    in the areas of crew activity planning, consumables usage, and\n    experiment and payload operations. Mission specialists are required to\n    have a detailed knowledge of Shuttle systems, as well as detailed\n    knowledge of the operational characteristics, mission requirements and\n    objectives, and supporting systems and equipment for each of the\n    experiments to be conducted on their assigned missions. Mission\n    specialists will perform extra-vehicular activities, payload handling\n    using the remote manipulator system, and perform or assist in specific\n    experimental operations.\n\n    Astronaut Candidate Program\n    ===========================\n\n    Basic Qualification Requirements\n    --------------------------------\n\n    Applicants MUST meet the following minimum requirements prior to\n    submitting an application.\n\n    Mission Specialist Astronaut Candidate:\n\n    1. Bachelor's degree from an accredited institution in engineering,\n    biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be\n    followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible,\n    professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable and may be\n    substituted for part or all of the experience requirement (master's\n    degree = 1 year, doctoral degree = 3 years). Quality of academic\n    preparation is important.\n\n    2. Ability to pass a NASA class II space physical, which is similar to a\n    civilian or military class II flight physical and includes the following\n    specific standards:\n\n\t Distant visual acuity:\n\t      20\/150 or better uncorrected,\n\t      correctable to 20\/20, each eye.\n\n\t Blood pressure:\n\t      140\/90 measured in sitting position.\n\n    3. Height between 58.5 and 76 inches.\n\n    Pilot Astronaut Candidate:\n\n    1. Bachelor's degree from an accredited institution in engineering,\n    biological science, physical science or mathematics. Degree must be\n    followed by at least three years of related progressively responsible,\n    professional experience. An advanced degree is desirable. Quality of\n    academic preparation is important.\n\n    2. At least 1000 hours pilot-in-command time in jet aircraft. Flight\n    test experience highly desirable.\n\n    3. Ability to pass a NASA Class I space physical which is similar to a\n    military or civilian Class I flight physical and includes the following\n    specific standards:\n\n\t Distant visual acuity:\n\t      20\/50 or better uncorrected\n\t      correctable to 20\/20, each eye.\n\n\t Blood pressure:\n\t      140\/90 measured in sitting position.\n\n    4. Height between 64 and 76 inches.\n\n    Citizenship Requirements\n\n    Applications for the Astronaut Candidate Program must be citizens of\n    the United States.\n\n    Note on Academic Requirements\n\n    Applicants for the Astronaut Candidate Program must meet the basic\n    education requirements for NASA engineering and scientific positions --\n    specifically: successful completion of standard professional curriculum\n    in an accredited college or university leading to at least a bachelor's\n    degree with major study in an appropriate field of engineering,\n    biological science, physical science, or mathematics.\n\n      The following degree fields, while related to engineering and the\n    sciences, are not considered qualifying:\n      - Degrees in technology (Engineering Technology, Aviation Technology,\n\tMedical Technology, etc.)\n      - Degrees in Psychology (except for Clinical Psychology, Physiological\n\tPsychology, or Experimental Psychology which are qualifying).\n      - Degrees in Nursing.\n      - Degrees in social sciences (Geography, Anthropology, Archaeology, etc.)\n      - Degrees in Aviation, Aviation Management or similar fields.\n\n    Application Procedures\n    ----------------------\n\n    Civilian\n\n    The application package may be obtained by writing to:\n\n\tNASA Johnson Space Center\n\tAstronaut Selection Office\n\tATTN: AHX\n\tHouston, TX 77058\n\n    Civilian applications will be accepted on a continuous basis. When NASA\n    decides to select additional astronaut candidates, consideration will be\n    given only to those applications on hand on the date of decision is\n    made. Applications received after that date will be retained and\n    considered for the next selection. Applicants will be notified annually\n    of the opportunity to update their applications and to indicate\n    continued interest in being considered for the program. Those applicants\n    who do not update their applications annually will be dropped from\n    consideration, and their applications will not be retained. After the\n    preliminary screening of applications, additional information may be\n    requested for some applicants, and person listed on the application as\n    supervisors and references may be contacted.\n\n    Active Duty Military\n\n    Active duty military personnel must submit applications to their\n    respective military service and not directly to NASA. Application\n    procedures will be disseminated by each service.\n\n    Selection\n    ---------\n\n    Personal interviews and thorough medical evaluations will be required\n    for both civilian and military applicants under final consideration.\n    Once final selections have been made, all applicants who were considered\n    will be notified of the outcome of the process.\n\n    Selection rosters established through this process may be used for the\n    selection of additional candidates during a one year period following\n    their establishment.\n\n    General Program Requirements\n\n    Selected applicants will be designated Astronaut Candidates and will be\n    assigned to the Astronaut Office at the Johnson Space Center, Houston,\n    Texas. The astronaut candidates will undergo a 1 year training and\n    evaluation period during which time they will be assigned technical or\n    scientific responsibilities allowing them to contribute substantially to\n    ongoing programs. They will also participate in the basic astronaut\n    training program which is designed to develop the knowledge and skills\n    required for formal mission training upon selection for a flight. Pilot\n    astronaut candidates will maintain proficiency in NASA aircraft during\n    their candidate period.\n\n    Applicants should be aware that selection as an astronaut candidate does\n    not insure selection as an astronaut. Final selection as an astronaut\n    will depend on satisfactory completion of the 1 year training and\n    evaluation period. Civilian candidates who successfully complete the\n    training and evaluation and are selected as astronauts will become\n    permanent Federal employees and will be expected to remain with NASA for\n    a period of at least five years. Civilian candidates who are not\n    selected as astronauts may be placed in other positions within NASA\n    depending upon Agency requirements and manpower constraints at that\n    time. Successful military candidates will be detailed to NASA for a\n    specified tour of duty.\n\n    NASA has an affirmative action program goal of having qualified\n    minorities and women among those qualified as astronaut candidates.\n    Therefore, qualified minorities and women are encouraged to apply.\n\n    Pay and Benefits\n    ----------------\n\n    Civilians\n\n    Salaries for civilian astronaut candidates are based on the Federal\n    Governments General Schedule pay scales for grades GS-11 through GS-14,\n    and are set in accordance with each individuals academic achievements\n    and experience.\n\n    Other benefits include vacation and sick leave, a retirement plan, and\n    participation in group health and life insurance plans.\n\n    Military\n\n    Selected military personnel will be detailed to the Johnson Space Center\n    but will remain in an active duty status for pay, benefits, leave, and\n    other similar military matters.\n\n\nNEXT: FAQ #15\/15 - Orbital and Planetary Launch Services\n","546":"From: lynch@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Howard Lynch)\nSubject: Re: PHILLIES SIGN MARK DAVIS\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 8\n\nI had heard the rumors about LA, Cin, Hou, and SD all being\ninterested in Mark Davis, so it doesn't surprise me that a\nteam had to give up something and cash to actually get him.\n\nLynch \"MOB\"\n\nps.  anyone else draft this guy?  i really did and got a \n     loud cry of \"when will you ever give up on this guy\" :-)\n","547":"From: tomacj@opco.enet.dec.com (THUNDERBIRDS ARE GO !!!)\nSubject: MR2 - noisy engine.\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corporation\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: OPCO\n\n\nG'day people,\n\t\n\tAre there any MR2 owners or motor-head gurus out there, that know why\nmy MR2's engine sounds noisy? The MR2's engine is noisy at the best of times, \nbut not even a nice nose - it's one of those very ugly noises. \n\tI do an oil change every 2-3 months, and for about 2 months the engine\nnoise sounds relatively quiet during driving and idling. At around the 3 month\nmark, after an oil change (I've been tracking this very thoroughly for months\nnow) it starts to get that very disgusting noise, not so much during driving,\nbut more so during idling. \n\tWhat's its problem? \n\tAlso.. I don't know if it's just me, but if noticed a little\nperformance drop. It just hasn't got the acceleration it used to. \n\n\tAny help\/tips would be appreciated!!\n\n\nWorried.\n","548":"From: der@anomaly.sbs.com (Admiral David E. Ryan)\nSubject: 144mhz\/440mhz amps, 2mtr HT for sale\nOrganization: Small Business Systems, Incorporated, Smithfield, RI 02917\nLines: 18\n\nI have the following equipment for sale:\n\n1. Kenwood TH-28A 2mtr HT\t\t\t$250.00\n\n2. RF Concepts 2mtr Amp (45in->170out)\t\t$275.00\n\n3. Hamtronics Class C Continuous Duty\n\t440mhz 10watt-in ~40watt-out amp\t$250.00\n\nAll prices include shipping\/insurance.\n\nFor additional information, contact me at the address below.\n\nDave\n-- \n| Admiral David E. Ryan        \t     |\n| der@anomaly.sbs.com                | \n| ...!uunet!rayssd!anomaly!der       |\n","549":"From: wdsst3@cislabs.pitt.edu (William D Sands)\nSubject: request for video in Pittsburgh area\nKeywords: Sunday afternoon\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 11\n\n\n\tThere was apparently a 30 minute special here on the Penguins' \nseason on ABC (WTAE - channel 4), immediately preceding the opening \ngame against the Devils on Sunday.  I only turned it on in time to \nwatch the credits.  If anyone taped it and is willing to let me borrow \nit to dub it, I would appreciate it.  I would be willing to come pick \nit up, and I'll return it the next day and buy you a beer.  Please \nrespond via e-mail.  Thanks a lot.\n\tOh yeah.  Was it any good?\n\t\t\t\t\t\t-Billy\n\n","550":"From: ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yih-Tyng Wu)\nSubject: Help! How to test SIMMs?\nNntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 10\n\n\nHello,\n  I just got some SIMMs,  at least one of which does not work. I don't know if \nthere is a software that can test SIMMs thoroughly or I could just rely on the \nRAM test performed by my computer during the start up. When I installed a dead \nSIMM into an LC or  an LC II, there would be a strange music and no display on \nthe screen. Why? I need your help! Thanks in advance\n\nYih-Tyng\nytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n","551":"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack)\nSubject: Re: Christian's need for Christianity\nLines: 44\n\nIn article <Apr.19.05.12.31.1993.29175@athos.rutgers.edu>, lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes:\n> In article <Apr.16.23.17.40.1993.1861@geneva.rutgers.edu<, mussack@austin.ibm.com writes...\n> << < For example: why does the universe exist at all?  \n> \n> <Whether there is a \"why\" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal's(?) wager.\n> <If there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely\n> <wasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we\n> ..\n>  I find this view of Christianity to be quite disheartening and sad.\n> The idea that life only has meaning or importance if there is a Creator\n> does not seem like much of a basis for belief.\n\nPlease forgive all the inclusions. I suppose they are neccessary to follow\nthe argument.\n\nMy point is that \"if life has meaning or importance then we should try\nto find that meaning or importance\" which is almost a tautology. (I hope\nI'm not being too patronizing.) One term for that meaning is \"Creator\",\nthough that is not obvious from my above argument.\n\n>  And the logic is also appalling: \"God must exist because I want Him to.\"\n\n(It's more like \"I think, therefore I am, therefore God is.\")\n\n>  I have heard this line of \"reasoning\" before and wonder how prevalent\n> it is. Certainly in modern society many people are convinced life is\n> hopeless (or so the pollsters and newscasts state), but I don't see\n> where this is a good reason to become religious. If you want 'meaning'\n> why not just join a cult, such as in Waco? The leaders will give you\n> the security blanket you desire.\n\nUnfortunately the term \"religious\" is ambiguous to me in this context.\nI could say that searching for meaning in life is by definition being\nreligious. I could say cult followers by definition have given up on \nthe search.\n\nIf you want \"meaning\" why not search for the truth?\n\nSo far, my understanding of Christianity is congruent with my understanding\nof truth. There have been many before me who have come to conclusions \nthat are worded in ways that make sense to me. By no means does that imply\nthat I understand everything. \n\nChris Mussack\n","552":"From: mccool@dgp.toronto.edu (Michael McCool)\nSubject: Apr 20 Toronto Siggraph Event\nOrganization: University of Toronto Dynamic Graphics Project\nDistribution: na\nLines: 48\n\n\nToronto Siggraph \n================\n\nWhat: ``Chance's Art'': 2D Graphics and Animation on the Indigo.\n\nBy:    Ken Evans, Imagicians Artware, Inc. \n\nWhen:  Tuesday 20 April 1993 7:00pm-9:00pm \n\nWhere: The McLuhan Centre for Culture and Technology\n       University of Toronto\n       39A Queen's Park Crescent\n       Toronto\n\nWho:   Members and non-members alike \n       (non-members encouraged to become members...)\n\nAbstract:\n\nImagicians Artware, Inc. is entering into early beta site testing on Silicon \nGraphics workstations of a new 2D abstract artwork and animation package called \nChance's Art.  The package will be described and demonstrated, and some of the \ntechnical issues will be discussed.  Marketing plans will be outlined.  The \ntalk will also present some of the technical and business problems increasingly \nconfronting small startup software companies today, and some of the \nopportunities this situation presents.\n\nTime after the event will be allocated for hands-on demonstrations to \ninterested parties.  Silicon Graphics is graciously providing an Indigo for \nthis event.  Myck Kupka will also be demonstrating his computerized interactive \nreflective stereoscope, which is installed upstairs in the McLuhan Centre, so \nfeel free to drop by for a demonstration before or after the event. BTW, be \nsure to sing \"Happy Birthday, Myck\"...\n\nThe names of nominees for our Siggraph executive offices will be announced at \nthis meeting.  Nominations will still be open until the election at our \nMay 18th event; call Myck Kupka at 465-0943 or fax to 465-0729.  \n\nDirections: The McLuhan Coachhouse is on the east side of Queen's Park \nCrescent, just NORTH of Wellesley, SOUTH of St. Joseph St., BEHIND (EAST of) \n39 Queen's Park Crescent, which is the centre for Mediaeval Studies.  \n\nFor information on Toronto Siggraph membership, contact Michael McCool via:\n\tInternet: mccool@dgp.utoronto.ca; \n\tVoice: 652-8072\/978-6619\/978-6027; \n\tFax: 653-1654\n\n","553":"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)\nSubject: Flame Therapy\nArticle-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqdfrINN88e\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nI think it would be a great idea to have a new group created:\n\ncomp.sys.ibm.pc.flame.therapy\n\nanybody agree?\n","554":"From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)\nSubject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 54\n\nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n\n>In article <C5nH58.Hp4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n>>thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n>>>In article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n>>>>How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on\n>>>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that\n>>>                                                               ^^^^^\n>>>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit?  \n>>\n>>>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important.\n>>\n>>I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several\n>>different news groups, including something along the lines of \n>>alt.discrimination.  \n\n>Exsqueeze me?  I saw *your* original post in alt.discrimination.\n>Your post was cross-posted to three groups.  My followup was cross-posted\n>to two of those three (omitting soc.motss).\n\n>Now, instead of engaging in meta-discussion off the topic, could you answer \n>the question posed?  If your statement is so \"beign\"(!?), you should have no\n>trouble politely responding to a polite query.\n\n       Well, I don't think your query was exactly polite, but I will TRY to\ngive you a polite responce.  Something atypical of the net, but here it goes.\n\n       Black is a descriptive adjective that describes Mr. King.  From many\nof the newspaper, radio, and tv news reports I have seen, this adjective      \nis commonly in front of his name.  I have NEVER seen anyone complain about\nthe use of this adjective when used in a benign manner.  I did not say that\nMr. King was a no good black!  I do not know Mr. King and would not make this\nascertian without some evidence to this effect.  I used it PURELY as a \ndescriptive adjective in the same manner than many ( most ) news people have\nused it in the past.\n\n\n      The entire second trial was about race, Ted.  I don't feel compelled to\ndiscuss Mr. King's racial background, but had Mr. King been white there would\nnot have been a second trial.  You probably are saying that the beating would\nnot have occurred if he were white, but that is an extremely difficult call\nto make.  It is possible the case, but not definately.  \n\n      I still think your actions are crap, Ted.  They are far more divisive than\nme using the adjective 'black' in a non-derogenory manner.  Would you have\nbeen happier if I had used 'African-american' ?  If so, then you really are\nlost in the world of PC.  You have already been instrumental in getting one\npersons net access revoked, and I wonder if you have sent a copy of my \nmessage to my sys admin with a plea that I am not worthy of posting.\n\n     The way you went about this 'polite' inquiry makes me believe it was \nanything but.\n \n\n","555":"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)\nSubject: Creating application contexts multiple times???\nNntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 94\n\nThe subject does not describe the problem I am having very well.  Please read\non...\n\nI am trying to write a function which creates an XtAppContext and a Widget,\ndisplays the widget for a while, then destroys everything and returns.  The\nproblem is that multiple calls to this function cause a variety of problems\nincluding (depending on which calls I make to get rid of things):\n\n- Core Dump\n- BadPixmap X Error\n- Widget not unmapped\n\n\nHere is a simple (C++) program I wrote to show the problem:\n\n#include <X11\/Xlib.h>\n#include <Xm\/Xm.h>\n#include <Xm\/PushB.h>\n\nvoid bla()\n{\n        XtAppContext app;\n        Display *dis = XOpenDisplay(\"\");\n        int junk = 0;\n\n        Widget top=XtAppInitialize (&app, \"test\", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL,\n                NULL, NULL, 0);\n\n        Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget(\"blaaa\", xmPushButtonWidgetClass,\n                        top,\n                        XmNheight, 50,\n                        XmNwidth, 50,\n                        NULL);\n\n        XtRealizeWidget(top);\n        \/\/Same as XtAppMainLoop but with only 10 XEvents\n        for (int i=0;i<=10;i++)\n        {\n                XEvent event;\n                XtAppNextEvent(app, &event);\n                XtDispatchEvent(&event);\n        }\n\n\/\/ WHAT SHOULD I PUT HERE???\n        XtUnrealizeWidget(top);\n        XtDestroyWidget(top);\n        XtDestroyApplicationContext(app);\n        XCloseDisplay(dis);\n\/\/ ???\n}\n\nmain()\n{\n        for (int i=0;i<=20;i++)\n                bla();\n}\n\nNote that I rewrote XtAppMainLoop so that at a given time (in this example,\nafter 10 XEvents) the function will exit and return to the main program.\nWith this example, I get the following error on about (this is NOT consistent)\nthe 5th call to bla():\n\nX Error of failed request:  BadPixmap (invalid Pixmap parameter)\n  Major opcode of failed request:  55 (X_CreateGC)\n  Resource id in failed request:  0xe0000d\n  Serial number of failed request:  71\n  Current serial number in output stream:  86\n\nIf I take out the XtUnrealizeWidget(top); line, it just dumps core on the\nseconds call.\n\nFurthermore, every time I call XtAppInitialize() (other than the 1st time), I\nget:\n\nWarning: Initializing Resource Lists twice\nWarning: Initializing Translation manager twice.\n\n\nSo finally, my question is this:\n\nWhat needs to be done in order to be able to call a function which creates\nan XtAppContext and widgets multiple times?\n\nAny help would be greatly appreciated.\n\nPLEASE respond via email as I dont usually have time to read this group.\n\nThanks very much.\n\n-davewood\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","556":"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)\nSubject: Re: Israel's Expansion\nNntp-Posting-Host: supergas\nReply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Electronics\nLines: 34\n\n\nIn article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:\n>Just a couple of questions for the pro-Israeli lobby out there:\n>\n>1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary?  For Mr.\n>Stein:  I am working on a proof for you that Israel is diverting\n>water to the Jordan River (away from Lebanese territory).\n\nYes. As long as the goverment over there can force some authority and prevent\nterrorists attack against Israel. \n\n>\n>2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan\n>temporary?  If so (for those of you who support it), why were so\n>many settlers moved into the territories?  If it is not temporary,\n>let's hear it.\n\nSinai had several big cities that were avcuated when isreal gave it back to\nEgypth, but for a peace agreement. So it is my opinin that the settlers will not\nbe an obstacle for withdrawal as long it is combined with a real peace agreement\nwith the Arabs and the Palastinians.\n\n>\n>Steve\n>\n\n\nNaftaly\n\n---\nNaftaly Stramer \t\t\t | Intergraph Electronics\nInternet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com      | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A    \nVoice: (303)581-2370  FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301\n\"Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can.\"\n","557":"From: piatt@gdc.COM (Gary Piatt)\nSubject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?\nOrganization: General DataComm Ind. Inc., Middlebury, CT 06762\nLines: 51\nNntp-Posting-Host: esun228\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nDov Bai-MSI Visitor (bai@msiadmin.cit.cornell.edu) wrote:\n: In article <C5FG7t.6At@exnet.co.uk> sys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:\n\n: >True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk,\n: >but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass.   \n: But how do you think property is generated ? Does it grow automatically\n: on trees when we wish so, or someone has to produce it ?\n\nSome say it was generated by God or Goddess; some say it was the result of\nthe coalescence of billions of tons of interstellar debris.  In either case,\nthe property of which Xavier speaks has been around for millions of years.\n\n\n:     It all follows from the fact that Mother Nature does not\n: provide us automatically with our needs,\n\nOh?  When did She *stop*?  Mother Nature has been automatically providing\nus with her bounty ever since we crawled out of the primordial ooze.  It\nis not \"produced\": it produces itself, year after year.  Last night, for\nexample, I saw four deer crossing the road (pretty sight, too); in an\nearlier time, one of them would have been dinner.\n\n: There are 2 ways to go with produced things: the first is to \n: _trade_ it with the the person(s) who produced it. \n: The other one is to take it with a gun from the person who produced\n: it. The first way is the civilized method, the second is how savages\n: arrange their affairs.\n\nThe American Indians had no concept of ownership of property, and often\nfreely gave of their supplies to neighboring tribes, trading food and\nclothing for weapons or services.  The Native Hawaiians, like their\nPolynesian ancestors, also could not conceive of that idea, and shared\nmany things with the other Islanders.  In fact, \"hi'ipoi\", the Hawaiian\nword for \"cherish\" means \"sharing food\".  The Great Mahele, in which\nthe Islands were divided up more-or-less evenly between the rich and\nthe poor, was a white man's idea.  In Africa, villagers will often\nshare tools, crops, and clothing with other members of their own village\nand neighboring villages.  Every anthropologist who has ever been to\nAfrica has at least one tale of the difficulties arising from the so-\ncalled \"theft\" of the scientists possessions -- two concepts of which,\nuntil the visitors came along, the natives had no understanding.\n\nThese are the people we call \"savages\".\n\nOn the other hand, car-jackings and muggings are up from last year.\n\nDov, before you make further comment on this thread, I think it would\nbehoove you to study *all* of the facts.\n\n\n-garison\n","558":"From: enf021@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Achurist)\nSubject: Re: Abyss: breathing fluids\nNntp-Posting-Host: cc_sysk\nOrganization: Coventry University\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <93089.204431GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> Callec Dradja <GRV101@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n>I am a bit nervous about posting this beacause it is begining to\n>stray fron the topic of space but then again that doesn't seem to\n>stop alot of other people. :-)\n>\n>With all of this talk about breathing at high pressures, I began\n>to think about the movie Abyss. If you remember, in that movie one\n>of the characters dove to great depths by wearing a suit that used\n>a fluid that carries oxegen as opposed to some sort of gas. Now I\n>have heard that mice can breath this fluid but for some reason, humans\n>are unable to. Does anyone know more details about this?\n>\n>Gregson Vaux\n>\n\nI believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump\nthe liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes.\nSo if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on \nhold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times\nas dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas\nand liquid comparision of course!\n\nAcurist\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","559":"From: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Slagle)\nSubject: Re: NRA Fucks Up Bigtime\nReply-To: slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com\nIn-reply-to: doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 04:24:50 GMT\nOrganization: You wouldn't ask this if you'd seen my desk.\n\t<SLAGLE.93Mar29232337@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com>\n\t<1993Apr5.042450.2071@cbnewse.cb.att.com>\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.042450.2071@cbnewse.cb.att.com>, doctor1@cbnewse.cb.att.com (patrick.b.hailey) writes:\n\n> In article <SLAGLE.93Mar29232337@sgi417.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com> slagle@lmsc.lockheed.com writes:\n\n>>In article <xw1twyl@dixie.com>, jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond) writes:\n\n>>> No, actually I'm a lot more familiar with the libbers than I\n>>> care to be.  I'm a bit hesitant to continue this thread because\n>>> it brings back horrible memories of my first encounter with the\n>>> libbers in the LaRouche branch.  I made the mistake of buying a\n\n>>Any connection between Lyndon LaRouche and the Libertarian Party\n>>is a pure product of your own fertile imagination.  \n\n> Naw, perhaps he reads Time magazine.\n\nIt's a fair stretch of anyone's imagination to expect them to\nattach any credibility to anything written in Time magazine in\nthe past twenty years, I'd imagine.  The Enquirer at least gets\nthe names attached to the right body parts.\n\n=Mark\n--\n----\nMark E. Slagle                                 PO Box 61059\nslagle@lmsc.lockheed.com                       Sunnyvale, CA   94088\n408-756-0895                                   USA\n","560":"From: neuhaus@bloch.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern))\nSubject: Re: PGP 2.2: general comments\nNntp-Posting-Host: bloch.informatik.uni-kl.de\nOrganization: University of Kaiserslautern, Germany\nLines: 39\n\nneuhaus@vier.informatik.uni-kl.de (Stephan Neuhaus (HiWi Mattern)) writes:\n\n>[Lots of stuff.]\n\nI hate to follow up to my own posting, but I should perhaps clarify\nsome things so I won't get flamed.\n\nFirst of all, when I'm talking about ``factoring the modulus'' or a\n``breakthrough in factoring'', what I really mean is a breakthrough in\nthe cryptanalysis of RSA.  I know that factoring and breaking RSA are\nnot proven to be equivalent; it's just so damn convenient not to\nrepeat this every time.\n\nI also have to admit that I don't really know if the ``non-group''\nproperty of a cipher is essential only for key chaining.  I have\nthought about it a little while, but I can't find a way that a\ncryptanalyst could exploit a group structure.  That, of course, means\nnothing at all.\n\nThen I wrote,\n\n>Please note that as long as it is much harder to factor a RSA modulus\n>than it is to generate it, the increase in computer speed alone will\n>keep key lengths and modulus factoring in lock-step, i.e., people will\n>simply start using longer moduli and still be safe.\n\nWhat I meant was that as long as the only advantage of the\ncryptanalyst is a faster computer, then we will probably have RSA for\na long time to come, because even if 1024-bit moduli somehow could be\nbroken with fast computers (not with a new algorithm), then people\nwould simply use longer moduli.  Both users and cryptanalysts benefit\nfrom better technology in the same way.\n\nHope this keeps the flames away...  Have fun.\n\n-- \nStephan <neuhaus@informatik.uni-kl.de>\nsig closed for inventory.  Please leave your pickaxe outside.\nPGP 2.2 public key available on request.  Note the expiration date.\n","561":"From: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US (Greg Earle)\nSubject: Re: Colormaps and Window Managers\nOrganization: Personal Usenet site, Tujunga, CA USA\nLines: 27\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: isolar.tujunga.ca.us\nKeywords: twm  tvtwm  InstallWindowColormaps\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.155255.27034@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse) writes:\n>In article <C5DuHC.71p.1@cs.cmu.edu>, das+@cs.cmu.edu (David Simon) writes:\n>\n>>Can some one please explain to me why the following piece of code\n>>causes twm (or tvtwm) to dump core [...]\n>\n>>In particular, I am interested in knowing whether this behavior is\n>>caused by a bug in my reasoning, or if it is a bug in twm.\n>\n>If *anything* a client does causes twm to dump core, it's a bug in twm.\n>Window managers should never *ever* crash.\n\nWould if only it were true ...\n\nIf only MIT would fix the !@&$^*@ twm \"InstallWindowColormaps()\" crash bug\nonce and for all, then I could say that I've (almost) unable to crash either\n\"twm\" or \"tvtwm\", which would be a remarkable feat - and most desirable to\nboot.  I mean, this bug has only been reported, oh, a zillion times by now ...\n\nNow *servers*, on the other hand ... (want to crash an OpenWindows 3.0 \"xnews\"\nserver at will?  Just do an 'xbiff -xrm \"XBiff*shapeWindow: on\"'.  Blammo.)\n\n-- \n\t- Greg Earle\n\t  Phone: (818) 353-8695\t\tFAX: (818) 353-1877\n\t  Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US\n\t  UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle\n","562":"From: korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek)\nSubject: Re: HINT 486 VLB\/ISA\/EISA motherboard\nKeywords: 486, motherboard\nOrganization: Network Management Technology Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <C5ovwv.LMo@news.iastate.edu> schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes:\n>I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB\/ISA\/EISA motherboards with\n>HINT chipsets.  Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)?\n>Any information would be helpful!\n>thanks\n>Brian J Schaufenbuel\n\n\nI believe that any VL\/EISA\/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset\nis limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit).  The\nHINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA.  For this\nreason I would pass.  I own one of these (HAWK VL\/EISA\/ISA) and am look-\ning to replace it for exactly this reason.\n\nPlease double-check me on this.  In other words, call the motherboard\nmanufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA\nDMA.\n\nOther than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using\nmine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2).  Also with Adaptec 1742a\nEISA SCSI host adapter.\n\n-- \nGary Korenek   (korenek@nmti.com)\nNetwork Management Technology Incorporated\nSugar Land, Texas       (713) 274-5357\n","563":"From: alaa@peewee.unx.dec.com (Alaa Zeineldine)\nSubject: Re: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corp.\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3\nLines: 28\n\nnstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer) writes:\n: \n:                      THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH\n:  \n:      (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training\n: videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military\n\nAs opposed to Israel's many ways of death. Using bombers and artillery\nagainst Lebanese towns and villages. Using fire arms and lethal\nvariants of tear gas and *rubber coated* bullets against stone\nthrowers. Using tanks and anti-tank missiles against homes after a 5\nminute evacuation warning.  Using Shin Bit's \"reasonable\" physical\npressure in interrogation. And more. Not counting of course past \npractices such as the bombardment of Beirut in 1982, the bombing of the \nEgyptian school of Bahr-El-Bakar and the Abu-Za'bal factory in 1978,\nthe downing of the Libyan airliner full of Egyptian passengers near\nthe same time. Overseeing the Maronite massacre in Sabra and Shatilla.\nThat is of course besides numerous massacres by Irgun and other gangs\nduring the British mandate period.\n\nIronically the same Op-Ed page in the NYT times from which the Naftaly\ncopied this article was running another article next to it by A.M.\nRosenthall blaming Bosnian Muslims for their own genocide by effectively\nsaying that it is stupid to seek independence if independence will bring\nyour people slaughter. But what else would one expect from Mr. Rosenthall\nwho never wasted a chance to bash Arabs or Muslims.\n\nAlaa Zeineldine\n","564":"From: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi)\nSubject: Re: How is Cizeta V16T doing?\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 20\nReply-To: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\n> cs173sbw@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (cs173sbw) writes:\n> \n>>Does anyone know what happpened to the venerable V16T!?  Has Claudio\n>>done any enhancement to it?  Are there any pictures of this beast I\n>>can ftp down somewhere?\n>>THanks\n>>p.s.  Better, seen any RC model of this beauty? :)\n\n--AutoWeek had an article about the car within the past six weeks.\n  It was the issue with the Diablo VT AWD on the cover.  Naturally, I\n  don't remember the date of the issue offhand, but I can check it if\n  anyone is interested.  \n\n--Aamir Qazi\n\n-- \n\nAamir Qazi\nqazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n--Why should I care?  I'd rather watch drying paint.\n","565":"From: spl@dim.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)\nSubject: Re: Finding equally spaced points on a sphere.\nOrganization: University of Calif., San Diego\/Microscopy and Imaging Resource\nLines: 326\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dim.ucsd.edu\n\nIn article <4615trd@rpi.edu> deweeset@ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu (Thomas E. DeWeese) writes:\n>  Hello, I know that this has been discussed before.  But at the time\n>I didn't need to teselate a sphere.  So if any kind soul has the code\n>or the alg, that was finally decided upon as the best (as I recall it\n>was a nice, iterative subdivision meathod), I would be very \n>appreciative.\n\nHere is one by Andrew \"Graphics Gems\" Glassner that I got from a\ncollegue of mine.  I think I fiddled with it a little bit to make it\ndeal with whatever bizarre problem I was working on at the time but it\nis known to work.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tspl\n\t\t\t       - - - -\n\/* spheres\n    ASG     9 Feb 85\n    spl Thu Mar  8 17:17:40 EST 1990\n*\/\n#include <stdio.h>\n#include <math.h>\n\n#define PI 3.141592654\n\nstruct Point_struct {\n        double x, y, z;\n};\n\nstatic double radius;\nstatic double xorg;\nstatic double yorg;\nstatic double zorg;\n\ndo_sphere( r, freq, x, y, z )\n\n  double r;\n  int freq;\n  double x;\n  double y;\n  double z;\n\n  {\n\n    int pole;\n    double northy, southy, poley;\n    double rtheta, rtheta2, ntheta, ntheta2, magicangle;\n    double theta, thetastart, thisy, den, t;\n    struct Point_node *pnp;\n    struct Point_struct p1, p2, p3, p4, n1, n2, n3, n4, pt;\n\n    radius = r;\n    xorg = x;\n    yorg = y;\n    zorg = z;\n\n\/* north pole *\/\n\n    magicangle = 30.0*PI\/180.0;\n    northy = radius*sin(magicangle);\n    southy = -radius*sin(magicangle);\n    for (pole=0; pole<2; pole++) {\n\n      if (pole==0) {\n\n        poley=radius;   \n        thisy=northy; \n        thetastart=0.0; \n\n      }\n      else { \n\n        poley= -radius; \n        thisy=southy; \n        thetastart=36.0; \n\n      }\n      for ( theta = thetastart; theta < 360.0; theta += 60.0 ) {\n\n        rtheta = theta*PI\/180.0;\n        rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI\/180.0;\n        p1.x = 0.0;  \n        p1.y = poley;  \n        p1.z = 0.0;  \n        p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta);\n        p2.y = thisy;\n        p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta);\n        p3.x = radius*cos(rtheta2);\n        p3.y = thisy;\n        p3.z = radius*sin(rtheta2);\n\n        if (pole==0) {\n\n\/* make ring go the other way so normals are right *\/\n\n          pt.x = p3.x;  \n          pt.y = p3.y;  \n          pt.z = p3.z;  \n          p3.x = p2.x;  \n          p3.y = p2.y;  \n          p3.z = p2.z;  \n          p2.x = pt.x;  \n          p2.y = pt.y;  \n          p2.z = pt.z;  \n\n        }\n\n        den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z);  \n        den = sqrt(den);\n\n        if (den != 0.0) {\n\n          t = radius \/ den; \n          p1.x *= t;  \n          p1.y *= t;  \n          p1.z *= t;\n\n        }\n\n        den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z);  \n        den = sqrt(den);\n\n        if (den != 0.0) {\n\n          t = radius \/ den; \n          p2.x *= t;  \n          p2.y *= t;  \n          p2.z *= t;\n\n        }\n\n        den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z);  \n        den = sqrt(den);\n\n        if (den != 0.0) {\n\n          t = radius \/ den; \n          p3.x *= t;  \n          p3.y *= t;  \n          p3.z *= t;\n\n        }\n\n        subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq);\n\n      }\n\n    }\n\n\/* now the body *\/\n\n    for (theta=0.0; theta<360.0; theta += 60.0) {\n\n      rtheta = theta*PI\/180.0;  \n      rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI\/180.0;\n      ntheta = (theta+36.0)*PI\/180.0; \n      ntheta2 = (theta+96.0)*PI\/180.0;\n      p1.x = radius*cos(rtheta);   \n      p1.y = northy;  \n      p1.z = radius*sin(rtheta);\n      p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta2);  \n      p2.y = northy;  \n      p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta2);\n      p3.x = radius*cos(ntheta);   \n      p3.y = southy;  \n      p3.z = radius*sin(ntheta);\n      p4.x = radius*cos(ntheta2);  \n      p4.y = southy;  \n      p4.z = radius*sin(ntheta2);\n\n      den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z);  \n      den = sqrt(den);\n\n      if (den != 0.0) {\n\n        t = radius \/ den; \n        p1.x *= t;  \n        p1.y *= t;  \n        p1.z *= t;\n\n      }\n\n      den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z);  \n      den = sqrt(den);\n\n      if (den != 0.0) {\n\n        t = radius \/ den; \n        p2.x *= t;  \n        p2.y *= t;  \n        p2.z *= t;\n\n      }\n      den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z);  \n      den = sqrt(den);\n      if (den != 0.0) {\n\n        t = radius \/ den; \n        p3.x *= t;  \n        p3.y *= t;  \n        p3.z *= t;\n\n      }\n      den = (p4.x*p4.x)+(p4.y*p4.y)+(p4.z*p4.z);  \n      den = sqrt(den);\n      if (den != 0.0) {\n\n        t = radius \/ den; \n        p4.x *= t;  \n        p4.y *= t;  \n        p4.z *= t;\n\n      }\n\n      subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq);\n      subdivide_tri(&p3,&p2,&p4,freq);\n\n    }\n\n    return;\n\n  }\n\n#define norm_pt(v) { register double r = sqrt( ( ( v )->x * ( v )->x ) + \\\n                                               ( ( v )->y * ( v )->y ) + \\\n                                               ( ( v )->z * ( v )->z ) ); \\\n                     ( v )->x \/= r; \\\n                     ( v )->y \/= r; \\\n                     ( v )->z \/= r; \\\n                    }\n\nsubdivide_tri(p1,p2,p3,a)\n\n  struct Point_struct *p1, *p2, *p3;\n  int a;\n\n  {\n\n    struct Point_struct n1, n2, n3;\n    struct Point_struct p12, p13, p23;\n    double den, t;\n\n    if (a>0) {\n\n      p12.x = (p1->x+p2->x)\/2.0;\n      p12.y = (p1->y+p2->y)\/2.0;\n      p12.z = (p1->z+p2->z)\/2.0;\n      den = (p12.x*p12.x)+(p12.y*p12.y)+(p12.z*p12.z);  \n      den = sqrt(den);\n      if (den != 0.0) {\n\n        t = radius \/ den;\n        p12.x *= t;  \n        p12.y *= t;  \n        p12.z *= t;\n\n      }\n      p13.x = (p1->x+p3->x)\/2.0;\n      p13.y = (p1->y+p3->y)\/2.0;\n      p13.z = (p1->z+p3->z)\/2.0;\n      den = (p13.x*p13.x)+(p13.y*p13.y)+(p13.z*p13.z); \n      den = sqrt(den);\n      if (den != 0.0) {\n\n        t = radius \/ den;\n        p13.x *= t;  \n        p13.y *= t;  \n        p13.z *= t;\n\n      }\n      p23.x = (p2->x+p3->x)\/2.0;\n      p23.y = (p2->y+p3->y)\/2.0;\n      p23.z = (p2->z+p3->z)\/2.0;\n      den = (p23.x*p23.x)+(p23.y*p23.y)+(p23.z*p23.z);  \n      den = sqrt(den);\n      if (den != 0.0) {\n\n        t = radius \/ den;\n        p23.x *= t;  \n        p23.y *= t;  \n        p23.z *= t;\n\n      }\n      subdivide_tri(p1,  &p12,&p13,a-1);\n      subdivide_tri(&p12, p2, &p23,a-1);\n      subdivide_tri(&p13,&p23, p3, a-1);\n      subdivide_tri(&p12,&p23,&p13,a-1);\n\n    } else {\n\n      n1.x = p1->x;  \n      n1.y = p1->y;  \n      n1.z = p1->z;  \n      norm_pt(&n1);\n      n2.x = p2->x;  \n      n2.y = p2->y;  \n      n2.z = p2->z;  \n      norm_pt(&n2);\n      n3.x = p3->x;  \n      n3.y = p3->y;  \n      n3.z = p3->z;  \n      norm_pt(&n3);\n\n\/* nothing special about this poly *\/\n\n      printf( \"%f %f %f  %f %f %f\\n\", p1->x + xorg,\n                                      p1->y + yorg,\n                                      p1->z + zorg,\n                                      n1.x, n1.y, n1.z );\n      printf( \"%f %f %f  %f %f %f\\n\", p2->x + xorg,\n                                      p2->y + yorg,\n                                      p2->z + zorg,\n                                      n2.x, n2.y, n2.z );\n      printf( \"%f %f %f  %f %f %f\\n\", p3->x + xorg,\n                                      p3->y + yorg,\n                                      p3->z + zorg,\n                                      n3.x, n3.y, n3.z );\n\n    }\n\n    return;\n\n  }\n-- \nSteve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu\nSan Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource\/UC San Diego\/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608\n\"My other car is a car, too.\"\n                 - Bumper strip seen on I-805\n","566":"From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)\nSubject: Re: christians and aids\nOrganization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 98\n\nIn article <Apr.8.00.57.49.1993.28271@athos.rutgers.edu> marka@travis.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:\n>In article <Apr.7.01.55.33.1993.22762@athos.rutgers.edu> kevin@pictel.pictel.com (Kevin Davis) writes:\n>>Many Christians believe in abstinence, but in a moment will be overcome\n>>by desire.  We all compromise and rationalize poor choices (sin).  Last\n>>week I was guilty of anger, jealousy, and whole mess of other stuff,\n>>yet I am forgiven and not condemned to suffer with AIDs.  To even\n>>suggest that AIDS is \"deserved\" is ludicrous.\n>\n>Some rules are made because at some point man is too stupid\n>to know better. Yet, eventually man learns. But only after\n>getting a lesson from experience.\n\nYes, it's important to realize that all actions have consequences,\nand that \"rules\" were made for our own good.  But to suggest that a\n*disease* is a *punishment* for certain types of sin I think is \ntaking things much too far.  If we got some kind of mouth disease\nfor lying, would any of us have mouths left?  What if we developed\nblindness every time we lusted after someone or something?  I dare\nsay all of us would be walking into walls.\n>\n>I wonder if AIDS would be a problem now if people didn't get\n>involved in deviant sexual behaviour. Certainly, people who\n>received tainted blood are not to blame. But it just goes\n>to show that all mankind is affected by the actions of a few.\n\nYes, sin can have terrible consequences, but we need to be *real*\ncareful when saying that the consequences are a *punishment* for \nsin.  The Jews of Jesus's time believed that all sickness was the\nresult of a sin.  Then Jesus healed a blind man and said that man was\nblind to show the glory of God, not because of sin.  If AIDS, or any\nother STD is a *punishment\" for sexual sin, what do we do with \ndiseases like cancer, or multiple sclerosis, which are just as\ndebilitating and terrible as AIDS, yet are not usually linked to a\nspecific behavior or lifestyle?\n>\n>In addition, IMHO forgiveness is not the end of things.\n>There is still the matter of atonement. Is it AIDS ?\n>I don't know.\n\nAtonement is *extremely* important, but I think you've missed the mark\nabout as far as you can by suggesting that AIDS is an atonement for sin.\nThe atonement for sin is JESUS CHRIST - period.  This is the central\nmessage of the Gospel.  A perfect sacrifice was required for our sins,\nand was made in the Lamb of God.  His sacrifice atoned for *all* of\nour sins, past present and future.  God does not require pennance for\nour sins, nor does he require us to come up with our own atonement.  He\nhas graciously already done that for us.  To suggest that AIDS or \nsome other consequence is an atonement for sins is literally spitting\non the sacrifice that Jesus made.\n\nIn case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when\nI see things like this.  Instead of rationalizing our own fears and\nphobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other\nsocially unacceptable diseases.  Whether they got the disease through\ntheir own actions or not is irrelevant.  They still need Jesus Christ,\nno more and no less than we do.  I've said this before, but I think\nit's a good analogy.  People with AIDS are modern-day lepers.  Jesus\nhealed many lepers.  He can also heal people with AIDS, maybe not on\nthis earth, but in an ultimate sense.  My next-door neighbor has AIDS.\nShe has recently come to have a much deeper and more committed \nrelationship with God.  Her theology isn't what I would want it to be,\nbut God's grace covers her.  The amazing thing is that she is gaining\nweight (she's had the disease for over 2 years) and her health is\nexcellent apart from occassional skin rashes and such.  She attributes\nher improvement in her health to God's intervention in her life.  Who\nare we to suggest that her disease is some kind of punishment?  It\nseems to me that God is being glorified through her disease.\n\nPaul Overstreet, the country singer, has a good song title that I \nthink applies to all of us - But for the Grace of God, There Go I\n(or something like that).\n\nMay we all experience and accept God's grace.\n>\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Mark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed\n>marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      |here are my own; they do not\n>..!uunet!gcx1!marka               |reflect the opinion or policies\n>The Lost Los Angelino              |of Harris Corporation.\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n===============================================================================\nPaul Conditt\t\tInternet: conditt@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu\nApplied Research\tPhone:\t  (512) 835-3422   FAX: (512) 835-3416\/3259\n  Laboratories\t\tFedex:\t  10000 Burnet Road, Austin, Texas 78758-4423\nUniversity of Texas\tPostal:\t  P.O. Box 8029, Austin, Texas 78713-8029\nAustin, Texas <----- the most wonderful place in Texas to live\n\n\n  TTTTTTTTTTTTTTT              \n  TTT   TTT   TTT                 \n        TTT                    \n   TTTTTTTTTTTTT                  Texas Tech Lady Raiders\n   TT   TTT   TT                   1992-93 SWC Champions\n        TTT                    1992-93 NCAA National Champions\n        TTT\n      TTTTTTT\n","567":"From: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu (Rich Long)\nSubject: Icom 02AT for sale\nReply-To: rich@delphi.bsd.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations\nLines: 35\n\n\nI am looking to sell my ICOM IC-02AT and extras.  I have the  \nfollowing:\nCM-12 Battery\nHS-10 Headset\nHS-10SA VOX unit\nCigarette Adapter\nLeather Case\nBC-25V Wall Charger\nIC-BP3 Battery\t\tAlso have one that needs a new cell (i think,  \nits been a while)\n\nIt is in good condition, has a scratch on the front that is not  \nvisible when in the leather case.\n\nIf you are interested, make me an offer.\n\n--rich\n\n\n-- NewsGrazer, a NeXTstep(tm) news reader, posting --\nM>UQR=&8P7&%N<VE[7&9O;G1T8FQ<9C!<9G-W:7-S($AE;'9E=&EC83M]\"EQM\nM87)G;#$R,`I<;6%R9W(Q,C`*7'!A<F1<='@U,S-<='@Q,#8W7'1X,38P,5QT\nM>#(Q,S5<='@R-C8X7'1X,S(P,EQT>#,W,S9<='@T,C<P7'1X-#@P,UQT>#4S\nM,S=<9C!<8C!<:3!<=6QN;VYE7&9S,C1<9F,P7&-F,\"!<\"DD@86T@;&]O:VEN\nM9R!T;R!S96QL(&UY($E#3TT@24,M,#)!5\"!A;F0@97AT<F%S+B`@22!H879E\nM('1H92!F;VQL;W=I;F<Z7`I#32TQ,B!\"871T97)Y7`I(4RTQ,\"!(96%D<V5T\nM7`I(4RTQ,%-!(%9\/6\"!U;FET7`I#:6=A<F5T=&4@061A<'1E<EP*3&5A=&AE\nM<B!#87-E7`I\"0RTR-58@5V%L;\"!#:&%R9V5R7`I)0RU\"4#,@0F%T=&5R>0D)\nM06QS;R!H879E(&]N92!T:&%T(&YE961S(&$@;F5W(&-E;&P@*&D@=&AI;FLL\nM(&ET<R!B965N(&$@=VAI;&4I7`I<\"DET(&ES(&EN(&=O;V0@8V]N9&ET:6]N\nM+\"!H87,@82!S8W)A=&-H(&]N('1H92!F<F]N=\"!T:&%T(&ES(&YO=\"!V:7-I\nM8FQE('=H96X@:6X@=&AE(&QE871H97(@8V%S92Y<\"EP*268@>6]U(&%R92!I\nK;G1E<F5S=&5D+\"!M86ME(&UE(&%N(&]F9F5R+EP*7`HM+7)I8VA<\"@I]\"B!I\n`\n","568":"From: censwm@cend3c7.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Stuart W Munn)\nSubject: Macintosh Lisa Dot Matrix Parallel Printer\nOrganization: Dept of Computing and Electrical Engineering, Heriot-Watt University, Scotland\nLines: 15\n\nI have got a dot matrix printer that came with a Lisa (I think) I wish to attach it to a PC, but have no manual. I have been told that it is some sort of C.Itoh printer in disguise. Can anyone help with manuals or info about codes to send to select fonts, italics etc. I want to write a printer driver for Protext.\n\nThanks in advance\n\nStuart\n\n=========================================================================\nStuart Munn\t\tDOD# 0717\nHeriot-Watt University                  \"The sky is BLACK . . .\nEdinburgh                                therefore GOD, he is a St Mirren\nScotland, EH14 4AS                       supporter!!!\"\n031 451-3265\n031 451-3261 FAX                         God may have a Harley . . .\nE-Mail censwm@UK.AC.HW.CLUST (JANET)     But the Pope rides a Guzzi! \n=========================================================================\n","569":"From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)\nSubject: Re: images of earth\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.144533.6779@cs.ruu.nl> clldomps@cs.ruu.nl (Louis van Dompselaar) writes:\n>In <C5q0HK.KoD@hawnews.watson.ibm.com> ricky@watson.ibm.com (Rick Turner) writes:\n>\n>>Look in the \/pub\/SPACE directory on ames.arc.nasa.gov - there are a number\n>>of earth images there. You may have to hunt around the subdirectories as\n>>things tend to be filed under the mission (ie, \"APOLLO\") rather than under\t\n>>the image subject.\t\n>>\n>For those of you who don't need 24 bit, I got a 32 colour Amiga IFF\n>of a cloudless Earth (scanned). Looks okay when mapped on a sphere.\n>E-mail me and I'll send it you...\n\nBeware.  There is only one such *copyrighted* image and the company\nthat generated is known to protect that copyright.  That image took\nhundreds of man-hours to build from the source satellite images,\nso it is unlikely that competing images will appear soon.\n","570":"From: ggg@kepler.unh.edu (Gregory G Greene)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu\n\n'>First off, with all these huge software packages and files that\n'>they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).\n\n\tMicropolis seems to have broken this limit.  They have IDE 560meg\n   and 1050meg HD's available.  \n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tGreg Greene\n                                                        ggg@kepler.unh.edu\n\n\n'>Mark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'\n'>marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      |\n'>The Lost Los Angelino              |\n","571":"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010\nSummary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 170\n\n     Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010\n                 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\n\n        +-------------------------------------------------------+\n        |                                                       |\n        | On the way the driver says, \"In fact there aren't any |\n        | Armenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, |\n        | and stabbed them.\"                                    |\n        |\t\t\t\t\t\t\t|\n        +-------------------------------------------------------+\n\nDEPOSITION OF VANYA BAGRATOVICH BAZIAN\n\n   Born 1940\n   Foreman\n   Baku Spetsmontazh Administration (UMSMR-1)\n\n   Resident at Building 36\/7, Apartment 9\n   Block 14\n   Sumgait [Azerbaijan]\n\n\nDuring the first days of the events, the 27th and the 28th [of February], I\nwas away on a business trip. On the 10th I had got my crew, done the paper-\nwork, and left for the Zhdanov District. That's in Azerbaijan, near the\nNagorno Karabagh region.\n\nAfter the 14th, rumors started to the effect that in Karabagh, specifically\nin Stepanakert, an uprising had taken place. They said \"uprising\" in\nAzerbaijani, but I don't think it was really an uprising, just a \ndemonstration. After that the unrest started. Several Armenians living in the \nZhdanov District were injured. How were they injured? They were beaten, even \nwomen; it was said that they were at the demonstrations, but they live here, \nand went from here to Karabagh to demonstrate. After that I felt uneasy. There\nwere some conversations about Armenians among the local population: the\nArmenians had done this, the Armenians had done that. Right there at the site.\nI was attacked a couple of times by kids. Well true, the guys from my crew \nwouldn't let them come at me with cables and knives. After that I felt really \nbad. I didn't know where to go. I up and called home. And my children tell me,\n\"There's unrest everywhere, be careful.\" Well I had a project going on. I told\nthe Second Secretary of the District Party Committee what had been going on \nand said I wanted to take my crew off the site. They wouldn't allow it, they \nsaid, \"Nothing's going to happen to you, we've entrusted the matter to the \npolice, we've warned everyone in the district, nothing will happen to you.\" \nWell, in fact they did especially detail us a policeman to look after me, he \nknows all the local people and would protect me if something happened. This\nman didn't leave me alone for five minutes: he was at work the whole time and \nafterward he spent the night with us, too.\n\nI sense some disquiet and call home; my wife also tells me, \"The situation is\nvery tense, be careful.\"\n\nWe finished the job at the site, and I left for Sumgait first thing on the\nmorning of the 29th. When we left the guys warned me, they told me that I\nshouldn't tell anyone on the way that I was an Armenian. I took someone else's\nbusiness travel documents, in the name of Zardali, and hid my own. I hid it \nand my passport in my socks. We set out for Baku. Our guys were on the bus, \nthey sat behind, and I sat up front. In Baku they had come to me and said that\nthey had to collect all of our travel documents just in case. As it turns out \nthey knew what was happening in Sumgait.\n\nI arrive at the bus station and there they tell me that the city of Sumgait is\nclosed, there is no way to get there. That the city is closed off and the \nbuses aren't running. Buses normally leave Baku for Sumgait almost every two\nminutes. And suddenly--no buses. Well, we tried to get there via private\ndrivers. One man, an Azerbaijani, said, \"Let's go find some other way to get\nthere.\" They found a light transport vehicle and arranged for the driver to\ntake us to Sumgait.\n\nHe took us there. But the others had said, \"I wouldn't go if you gave me a\nthousand rubles.\" \"Why?\" \"Because they're burning the city and killing the\nArmenians. There isn't an Armenian left.\" Well I got hold of myself so I could\nstill stand up. So we squared it away, the four of us got in the car, and we \nset off for Sumgait. On the way the driver says, \"In fact there aren't any\nArmenians left. 'They burned them all, beat them all, and stabbed them.\" Well \nI was silent. The whole way--20-odd miles--I was silent. The driver asks me, \n\"How old are you, old man?\" He wants to know: if I'm being that quiet, not \nsaying anything, maybe it means I'm an Armenian. \"How old are you?\" he asks \nme. I say, \"I'm 47.\" \"I'm 47 too, but I call you 'old man'.\" I say, \"It \ndepends on God, each person's life in this world is different.\" I look much\nolder than my years, that's why he called me old man. Well after that he was\nsilent, too.\n\nWe're approaching the city, I look and see tanks all around, and a cordon.\nBefore we get to the Kavkaz store the driver starts to wave his hand. Well, he\nwas waving his hand, we all start waving our hands. I'm sitting there with\nthem, I start waving my hand, too. I realized that this was a sign that meant\nthere were no Armenians with us.\n\nI look at the city--there is a crowd of people walking down the middle of the \nstreet, you know, and there's no traffic. Well probably I was scared. They\nstopped our car. People were standing on the sidewalks. They have armature \nshafts, and stones . . . And they stopped us . . .\n\nAlong the way the driver tells us how they know who's an Armenian and who's \nnot. The Armenians usually . . . For example, I'm an Armenian, but I speak \ntheir language very well. Well Armenians usually pronounce the Azeri word for \n\"nut,\" or \"little nut,\" as \"pundukh,\" but \"fundukh\" is actually correct. The \npronunciations are different. Anyone who says \"pundukh,\" even if they're not \nArmenian, they immediately take out and start to slash. Another one says, \n\"There was a car there, with five people inside it,\" he says. \"They started \nhitting the side of it with an axe and lit it on fire. And they didn't let the\npeople out,\" he says, \"they wouldn't let them get out of the car.\" I only saw \nthe car, but the driver says that he saw everything. Well he often drives from\nBaku to Sumgait and back . . .\n\nWhen they stop us we all get out of the car. I look and there's a short guy,\nhis eyes are gleaming, he has an armature shaft in one hand and a stone in\nthe other and asks the guys what nationality they are one by one. \"We're\nAzerbaijani,' they tell him, 'no Armenians here.\" He did come up to me when \nwe were pulling our things out and says, \"Maybe you're an Armenian, old man?\" \nBut in Azerbaijani I say, \"You should be ashamed of yourself!\" And . . . he \nleft. Turned and left. That was all that happened. What was I to do? I had \nto . . . the city was on fire, but I had to steal my children out of my own \nhome.\n\nThey stopped us at the entrance to Mir Street, that's where the Kavkaz store \nand three large, 12-story buildings are. That's the beginning of down-town. I \nsaw that burned automobile there, completely burned, only metal remained. I \ncouldn't figure out if it was a Zhiguli or a Zaporozhets. Later I was told it \nwas a Zhiguli. And the people in there were completely incinerated. Nothing \nremained of them, not even any traces. That driver had told me about it, and I\nsaw the car myself. The car was there. The skeleton, a metallic carcass. About\n30 to 40 yards from the Kavkaz store.\n\nI see a military transport, an armored personnel carrier. The hatches are\nclosed. And people are throwing armature shafts and pieces of iron at it, the\ncrowd is. And I hear shots, not automatic fire, it's true, but pistol shots.\nSeveral shots. There were Azerbaijanis crowded around that personnel carrier. \nSomeone in the crowd was shooting. Apparently they either wanted to kill the \nsoldiers or get a machine gun or something. At that point there was only one \narmored personnel carrier. And all the tanks were outside the city, cordoning \noff Sumgait.\n\nI walked on. I see two Azerbaijanis going home from the plant. I can tell by \ntheir gait that they're not bandits, they're just people, walking home. I\njoined them so in case something happened, in case someone came up to us\nand asked questions, either of us would be in a position to answer, you see.\nBut I avoided the large groups because I'm a local and might be quickly \nrecognized. I tried to keep at a distance, and walked where there were fewer\npeople. Well so I walked into Microdistrict 2, which is across from our block.\nI can't get into our block, but I walked where there were fewer people, so as \nto get around. Well there I see a tall guy and 25 to 30 people are walking \nbehind him. And he's shouting into a megaphone: \"Comrades, the Armenian-\nAzerbaijani war has begun!\"\n\nThe police have megaphones like that. So they're talking and walking around \nthe second microdistrict. I see that they're coming my way, and turn off \nbehind a building. I noticed that they walked around the outside buildings, \nand inside the microdistricts there were about 5 or 6 people standing on every\ncorner, and at the middles of the buildings, and at the edges. What they were \ndoing I can't say, because I couldn't get up close to them, I was afraid. But \nthe most important thing was to get away from there, to get home, and at least\nfind out if my children were alive or not . . .\n\n   April 20, 1988\n   Yerevan\n\n\t\t     - - - reference - - -\n\n[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,\n    Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by\n    Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 158-160\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org   | \"How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  the Armenian border, when we can't \nP.O. Box 382761                      |  even explain 1915?\" \nCambridge, MA 02238                  |              Turkish MP, March 1992 \n","572":"From: kwyatt@ccscola.columbiasc.ncr.com (Kershner Wyatt)\nSubject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy\nOrganization: NCR Corp, E&M-Columbia, Columbia, SC\nLines: 79\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.27.1993.28403@athos.rutgers.edu> creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps) writes:\n>In article <Apr.10.05.30.16.1993.14313@athos.rutgers.edu> jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes:\n>\n>   On Palm Sunday at our parish, we were \"invited\" to take the role of\n>Jesus in the Passion.  I declined to participate.  Last year at the\n>liturgy meeting I pointed out how we crucify Christ by our sins, so\n>therefore it is appropriate that we retain the role of the crowd, but\n>to no avail.\n>\n>>musicians, readers, and so on.  New things are introduced in the course of the\n>>liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be\n>>explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just\n>>sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about\n>>to be done.  In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay\n>>people to be aware of the Lord's presence.\n\nAs a former Catholic and now as a very active Lutheran - it is some of the\n\"innovations\" of the Mass which made me leave the Catholic Church and return\nto the more traditional Catholic Chuch - the Lutherans.\n\nI spent many years as a Lector reading the Passion parts as appropriate in\nthe Catholic Church and I found it very meaningful.  Our Lutheran parish just\ninstituted the \"Tenebrae\" service for Good Friday and I was the lector for \na paraphrased Passion which was exceptional.  I heard and learned things\nthat I have previously overlooked in the Gospels - yet those \"facts\" were\nalways there.  As a matter of interest, the pastor and I were talking about\nthe differences between the RC and Lutheran Church during Holy Week over\nbreakfast Easter Sunday.\n>\n>   As a member of a liturgy committee, I can tell you that the problem\n>is certain people dominating, who want to try out all kinds of\n>innovations.  The priests don't seem even to _want_ to make any\n>decisions of their own in many cases.  I guess it's easier to \"try\n>something new\" than it is to refuse to allow it.\n\nMy wife is the member of the liturgy committee in the family (called music\nand worship at our church).  Our pastor does have control of this committee\nbut listens very carefully to the committee's suggestions.  It needs a strong\nhand to lead and guide, to keep the intent and the message clear and strong\nas it should be through Lent and the rest of the liturgical year.  Additional\nreason for my leaving the Catholic faith - lack of any selfless spiritual\nguidance by priests in my parishes.  AKA \"wishy-washy\".\n \nAs you may gather from my comments, I feel that it is very important, ir-\nregardless of denominational guidelines, to have a service\/Mass which promotes\nthe true reason that we are gathered there.  I am quite comfortable in a\ntraditional Mass, with receiving Holy Communion on the tongue, the Sacrament\nof PENANCE (not Reconciliation), Stations of the Cross, so on and so forth.\nThe reason other types of Masses and parishes exist is because these feelings\nare not shared by everyone.\n\nI want more people to attend church and to find the Lord, but I don't want \nthem attending a show.  It's not.  My church works hard to have a meaningful\nservice during Lent on Wednesdays, but follow traditional Lutheran Book of\nWorship guidelines.  Where things are changed or omitted during Lent (such\nas the Hymn of Praise) it is noted so that we are aware of the reasons that it\nis Not there.\n\nQuite frankly, it is very hard for a non-Catholic to go to a Mass and \"fit in\".\nMy dear wife never could (former Methodist).  And Holy Week Masses and Vigils\nwould intimidate the daylights out of a non-Catholic.  Those Catholics who\nhave beared with me this far understand what I mean.\n\nPlease keep in mind why we are there - to gather together in worship.  Not\nto worry about how something is done or not done.  If there is something\nwrong that you feel needs addressing, by all means talk to your priest or\npastor.  I have only ever met one who wouldn't listen.  They are there to \nprovide spiritual guidance and to help.  Use them.  My differences with\nthe Catholic Church are much more fundamental - but my decision to change\nfaiths was done with prayer, intervention, and sessions with priests and\nministers.\n\nIn Christ,\nKershner\n-- \nKershner Wyatt\nkwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com\n\nMy opinions are my own and aren't necessarily my employer's.\n","573":"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)\nSubject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist\nOrganization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:\n>\n>I'm thinking of buying a motorcycle. Whenever I tell people\n>this I usually get an answer like \"Why do you want to do that\n>My brother, sister, cousin knows somebody who had a motorcycle\n>and now they are brain dead as a result of an accident?\"\n>\n>So the question I have is \"HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING\"?            \n\nIt's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little\nprotection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your\nmachine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid\nmove that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but\nstaying alive takes a conscious effort.\n\nI've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV\n     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca\n                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada\n","574":"From: ckincy@cs.umr.edu (Charles Kincy)\nSubject: Re: How many homosexuals are there?\nNntp-Posting-Host: next4.cs.umr.edu\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Missouri - Rolla, Rolla, MO\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <Apr.15.21.39.43.1993.8726@romulus.rutgers.edu> kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:\n>Perhaps 1%, but most likely not more than 2%.  A new study\n>(discrediting Kinsey) says so.\n\nWow, does this mean 2 out of 5 homosexuals will be at the March\non Washington?  How *very* interesting.\n\ncpk\n-- \nIt's been 80 days.  Do you know where your wallet is?\n\nSlick Willy's already got his hand in my pocket.  I'm just afraid\nof what he might grab hold of.\n","575":"From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)\nSubject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals\nNntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au\nOrganization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia\nLines: 27\n\ncfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes:\n\n>Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards\n>depression? You can't just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation \n>in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and \n>people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis. \n>At best it's a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people \n>experience.  \n\nI agree, I reckon it's television and the increase in fundamentalism.. You\nthink its the increase in pre-marital sex... others thinks its because\npsychologists have taken over the criminal justice system and let violent\ncriminals con them into letting them out into the streets... others think\nit's the increase in designer drugs... others think it's a communist plot.\nBasically the social interactions of all the changing factors in our society\nare far too complicated for us to control. We just have to hold on to the\npanic handles and hope that we are heading for a soft landing. But one\nthings for sure, depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is not\ndue solely to sex out of marriage.\n\nJeff.\n\n>> \n>>  Fred Rice <-- a Muslim, giving his point of view.\n>>  darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au \n\n>cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu  \n","576":"From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)\nSubject: Re: Desktop rebuild and Datadesk keyboard?\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 15\n\nsmith@pell.anu.edu.au (Michael Smith) writes:\n>Similarly, I have trained myself to hold down the RIGHT-HAND pair of\n>command-option for desktop rebuilds.\n\nI tried the right set and it didn't work.  I'm on the phone to their\ntech support right now and the guys doesn't know what a desktop\nrebuild is!!!  He's got me holding for someone else...............\nAnd holding, and holding, and holding.\n\nOk they finally got back to me and said basically \"it should work\".\nWell it doens't and they don't know why.  Guess it will go back to\nMacConnection and I'll buy something else.  I've got better things\nto do than play musical keyboards.\n-Terry\n\n","577":"From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)\nSubject: Re: Davidians and compassion\nReply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)\nOrganization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <sandvik-190493200420@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n>So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire\n>on their house, killing most of the people inside.\n>\n>I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what\n>they were doing, and it's their own actions.\n>\n>What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside,\n>including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful\n>conditions.\n>\n>If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud\n>that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions.\n>\n>You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare\n>the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all.\n>\n>I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity\n>knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think \n>the actions today would produce a good picture of your \n>religion?\n>\n>\n>Kent\n>\n>---\n>sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n\n\nSurely you are not equating David Koresh with Christianity? The two are\nnot comparable.\n","578":"From: bradd@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Brad A Davis)\nSubject: For Sale: 386\/25MHz motherboard (or system) with 8 megabytes\nSummary: 386DX\/25 system w\/8Mb for $475; motherboard alone for $325\nArticle-I.D.: pdxgate.7251\nDistribution: or\nOrganization: Portland State University, Computer Science Dept.\nLines: 30\n\nI recently upgraded to a 486 and have found out I don't really have a need\nfor my old 386.  I'd prefer to sell just the motherboard and keep the case\netc, so I'll offer the motherboard and case separately and let you decide.\n\nI'm asking $325 for the motherboard, which has:\n    25Mhz 386 DX (not SX)\n    8 megabytes of 32-bit, 70ns memory\n    AMI BIOS\n    based on C&T NEAT chipset\n    \t(this means the motherboard and bus circuitry timings are\n\tprogrammable - the BIOS' advanced configuration menus let you\n\tselect system, DMA, bus clock, wait states, command delays, etc.)\n    \"baby AT\" sized - fits in mini-tower, full-sized or most any other case\n(Includes User's Guide and a copy of the BIOS reference manual)\n\nFor $150 more you could have the rest of the system too:\n    full-size AT case with 200(?) watt power supply\n    2 serial, 1 parallel, 1 game ports\n    20Mb hard disk\n    1.2Mb floppy disk\n    keyboard\n    video card (choice of VGA or ???)\n\nIf you're interested, please give me a call.  The system is set up at my house\nin Aloha, and you're welcome to come test drive it.\n\nRandom drivel from the keyboard of:       +---+\n  Brad Davis, NCD Inc, Beaverton OR       |   | Network Computing Devices\n  bradd@pcx.ncd.com  (503) 642-9927       |NCD| PC-XDivision\n             (office)(503) 671-8431       +---+\n","579":"From: 18084TM@msu.edu (Tom)\nSubject: Moonbase race\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 26\n\nFrom: Gene Wright <gene@theporch.raider.net>\n\n>With the continuin talk about the \"End of the Space Age\" and complaints\n>by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about\n>that might just work.\n\n>Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation\n>who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year.\n>Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin\n>to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then!\n\nI'll say!  Imagine that there were a couple groups up there, maybe landing\na few weeks apart.  The year-mark starts coming on for the first group.\nIsn't a billion pretty good incentive to take a shot at a potential\nwinner?  \"Yeah, that's a shame that Team A's life support gave out\nso close to the deadline.  Thanks for the billion.\"\n\nOn the other hand, if Apollo cost ~25billion, for a few days or weeks\nin space, in 1970 dollars, then won't the reward have to be a lot more\nthan only 1 billion to get any takers?\n\n-Tommy Mac\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom McWilliams 517-355-2178 wk   \\\\ As the radius of vision increases,\n18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu 336-9591 hm \\\\ the circumference of mystery grows.\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","580":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>I don't expect the lion to know, or not know anything of the kind.\n>In fact, I don't have any evidence that lions ever consider such \n>issues.\n>And that, of course, is why I don't think you can assign moral\n>significance to the instinctive behaviour of lions.\n\nWhat I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior.\nThat is, it doesn't take much work to be moral, but it certainly does to\nbe immoral (in some cases).  Also, I've said that morality is a remnant\nof evolution.  Our moral system is based on concepts well practiced in\nthe animal kingdom.\n\n>>So you are basically saying that you think a \"moral\" is an undefinable\n>>term, and that \"moral systems\" don't exist?  If we can't agree on a\n>>definition of these terms, then how can we hope to discuss them?\n>No, it's perfectly clear that I am saying that I know what a moral\n>is in *my* system, but that I can't speak for other people.\n\nBut, this doesn't get us anywhere.  Your particular beliefs are irrelevant\nunless you can share them or discuss them...\n\nkeith\n","581":"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)\nSubject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted\nNntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1qmnga$s9q@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:\n>In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says:\n\n>>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin\n>>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd\n>>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1\/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all.\n>\n>Sorry, I should have been more specific.  The 750 SS ran the quater in\n>12.10 @ 108.17.  The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is\n>a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @\n>103.  Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105.\n>\n>BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out\n>run that.  It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old\n>KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on.  Technology stands still for\n>no-one...\n\nNot too hard to remember, I bought a GS1000 new in '78. :-) It was\n3rd place in the '78 speed wars (behind the CBX & XS Eleven) with a\n11.8 @ 113 1\/4 mile, and 75 horses. That wouldn't even make a good 600\nthese days. Then again, I paid $2800 for it, so technology isn't the\nonly thing that's changed. Of course I'd still rather ride the old GS\nacross three states than any of the 600's.\n\nI guess it's an indication of how much things have changed that a 12\nsecond 400 didn't seem too far out of line.\n-- \nBlaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland\nbgardner@dsd.es.com\n","582":"From: ricktait@bnr.co.uk (Rick Tait)\nSubject: Re: What the clipper nay-sayers sound like to me.\nNntp-Posting-Host: 47.20.192.158\nOrganization: Network Management Systems, Bell Northern Research.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nDistribution: na\nLines: 45\n\nNathaniel Sammons (ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu) wrote on Mon, 19 Apr 1993 02:36:36 GMT: \n> If the gov establishes a cryptography standard that has to be used by\n> everyone, and everyone's personal key is divided into two segments\n> and stored at two separate, albeit easy to find places, and that key is\n> only 80 bits to begin with, we are screwed (pardon the allusion to the \n> affore-mentioned article)!\n\n> The gov, I believe, as do many others probably already have the cracking chips\n> for this Clipper Chip made.  Hell, they probably based the encoder on the \n> chip that cracks it, that way it's easier to break the code, but since it is a \n> classified algorythm, no one knows that they can crack it so easily.\n\nAgreed. No agency such as the NSA (or whoever) would approve the public \nrelease of a crypto-system, if they didn't already have the technical\nmeans or the know-how to decrypt everything at their whim. Surely the whole\npoint of all this madness is to make Joe Public think that his\/her\ncommunications will be kept safe, while James Bond at the NSA can, if need\nbe, have full, decrypted access to someone's communications? That'll be\nquite a heist, if they can pull it off. \n\n\nI thought that the US Government were going to release the algorithm to a\npanel of \"carefully chosen experts\", who would then \"study it deeply, and\nreport their findings\"? Exactly who will these people be? Academics? Or\nGovernment-sponsored researchers? Tiny-toons?\n\n> I, for one, and quite scared of this kind of thing, and plan to support \n> organizations (and even disorganizations) who are fighting against this\n> Clipper Chip in any way that I can.\n\nI can only hope that the same sort of thing doesn't start filtering over\ninto the ears of the UK Government, and if the European Parliament gets\nwind of it, well, we can kiss goodbye to any form of Democracy in Europe \nat all.\n\n> I do not want the government to be able to have access, even with a search\n> warrant, to my keys... and I don't want those keys to be only 80 bits long\n> to begin with!\n\nHallelujah! :-)\n--\nRick M. Tait                                Bell Northern Research Europe\nTel: +44-81-945-3352, Fax: +44-81-945-3352     Network Management Systems\n<PGP 2.2 public key available on request>       New Southgate, London. UK\nemail: ricktait@bnr.co.uk  || rt@cix.compulink.co.uk  ||  ricktait@bnr.ca\n","583":"Subject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Sun, April 4, 1993\nFrom: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)\nOrganization: University of New Brunswick\nLines: 210\n\nNY Rangers                       3 1 0--4\nWashington                       0 0 0--0\nFirst period\n     1, NY Rangers, Graves 33 (Turcotte, Lowe) 9:13.\n     2, NY Rangers, Gartner 44 (Messier) 11:21.\n     3, NY Rangers, Olczyk 21 (Messier, Amonte) 14:57.\nSecond period\n     4, NY Rangers, Beukeboom 2 (unassisted) 3:30.\nThird period\n     No scoring.\n\nNY Rangers: 4    Power play: 4-0\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nAmonte             0    1    1\nBeukeboom          1    0    1\nGartner            1    0    1\nGraves             1    0    1\nLowe               0    1    1\nMessier            0    2    2\nOlczyk             1    0    1\nTurcotte           0    1    1\n\nWashington: 0    Power play: 3-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nBoston                           0 2 1--3\nBuffalo                          0 0 0--0\nFirst period\n     No scoring.\nSecond period\n     1, Boston, Leach 24 (Wesley, Oates) pp, 1:03.\n     2, Boston, Oates 44 (Douris, Poulin) 9:00.\nThird period\n     3, Boston, Douris 4 (Bourque) sh, 0:55.\n\nBoston: 3    Power play: 5-1   Special goals:  pp: 1  sh: 1  Total: 2\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBourque            0    1    1\nDouris             1    1    2\nLeach              1    0    1\nOates              1    1    2\nPoulin             0    1    1\nWesley             0    1    1\n\nBuffalo: 0    Power play: 6-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nPittsburgh                       1 3 1--5\nNew Jersey                       0 1 1--2\nFirst period\n     1, Pittsburgh, Francis 23 (Lemieux, Tocchet) pp, 13:25.\nSecond period\n     2, Pittsburgh, Murphy 21 (Francis, Mullen) sh, 0:38.\n     3, Pittsburgh, Francis 24 (Tocchet, Lemieux) pp, 7:14.\n     4, Pittsburgh, Jagr 33 (Tocchet, Francis) pp, 15:22.\n     5, New Jersey, Zelepukin 17 (Driver, Lemieux) pp, 19:07.\nThird period\n     6, New Jersey, MacLean 23 (Nicholls, Stevens) 6:45.\n     7, Pittsburgh, Lemieux 62 (Jagr) en, 19:51.\n\nPittsburgh: 5    Power play: 9-3   Special goals:  pp: 3  sh: 1  en: 1  Total: 5\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nFrancis            2    2    4\nJagr               1    1    2\nLemieux            1    2    3\nMullen             0    1    1\nMurphy             1    0    1\nTocchet            0    3    3\n\nNew Jersey: 2    Power play: 9-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nDriver             0    1    1\nLemieux            0    1    1\nMacLean            1    0    1\nNicholls           0    1    1\nStevens            0    1    1\nZelepukin          1    0    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nToronto                          0 0 0--0\nPhiladelphia                     2 1 1--4\nFirst period\n     1, Philadelphia, Dineen 31 (Beranek, Hawgood) 8:10.\n     2, Philadelphia, McGill 3 (Lindros, Recchi) 19:55.\nSecond period\n     3, Philadelphia, Lindros 38 (Recchi, Galley) 7:55.\nThird period\n     4, Philadelphia, Dineen 32 (Hawgood, Galley) pp, 18:39.\n\nPhiladelphia: 4    Power play: 4-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBeranek            0    1    1\nDineen             2    0    2\nGalley             0    2    2\nHawgood            0    2    2\nLindros            1    1    2\nMcGill             1    0    1\nRecchi             0    2    2\n\nToronto: 0    Power play: 6-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nVancouver                        0 2 1--3\nOttawa                           0 0 0--0\nFirst period\n     No scoring.\nSecond period\n     1, Vancouver, Plavsic 6 (Craven) 13:05.\n     2, Vancouver, Momesso 17 (Nedved, Plavsic) pp, 15:52.\nThird period\n     3, Vancouver, Bure 57 (unassisted) 13:27.\n\nVancouver: 3    Power play: 4-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBure               1    0    1\nCraven             0    1    1\nMomesso            1    0    1\nNedved             0    1    1\nPlavsic            1    1    2\n\nOttawa: 0    Power play: 5-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nSt. Louis                        2 0 2--4\nChicago                          4 0 1--5\nFirst period\n     1, Chicago, Sutter 18 (Murphy, Chelios) pp, 1:08.\n     2, St. Louis, Janney 20 (Shanahan, J.Brown) pp, 6:49.\n     3, Chicago, Roenick 44 (Chelios, Smith) pp, 8:20.\n     4, Chicago, Roenick 45 (Sutter, Chelios) pp, 13:14.\n     5, Chicago, Graham 19 (Gilbert, Ruuttu) 13:42.\n     6, St. Louis, Janney 21 (Shanahan, Crossman) 19:38.\nSecond period\n     No scoring.\nThird period\n     7, Chicago, Murphy 5 (Chelios, Belfour) 0:20.\n     8, St. Louis, Miller 21 (Hull, Janney) pp, 7:04.\n     9, St. Louis, Janney 22 (Miller, Shanahan) 19:32.\n\nChicago: 5    Power play: 8-3\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBelfour            0    1    1\nChelios            0    4    4\nGilbert            0    1    1\nGraham             1    0    1\nMurphy             1    1    2\nRoenick            2    0    2\nRuuttu             0    1    1\nSmith              0    1    1\nSutter             1    1    2\n\nSt. Louis: 4    Power play: 4-2\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBrown J            0    1    1\nCrossman           0    1    1\nHull               0    1    1\nJanney             3    1    4\nMiller             1    1    2\nShanahan           0    3    3\n\n-----------------------------------------\nCalgary                          1 2 1--4\nSan Jose                         1 0 2--3\nFirst period\n     1, Calgary, Otto 19 (Yawney, Ashton) pp, 5:29.\n     2, San Jose, Odgers 10 (Pederson, Wilkinson) 18:33.\nSecond period\n     3, Calgary, Nieuwendyk 34 (Johansson, Reese) 2:03.\n     4, Calgary, Reichel 35 (Skrudland, Berube) 12:22.\nThird period\n     5, Calgary, Ashton 7 (Otto, Fleury) 1:30.\n     6, San Jose, Pederson 9 (Odgers, Evason) 2:24.\n     7, San Jose, Odgers 11 (Gaudreau, Evason) pp, 19:30.\n\nCalgary: 4    Power play: 5-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nAshton             1    1    2\nBerube             0    1    1\nFleury             0    1    1\nJohansson          0    1    1\nNieuwendyk         1    0    1\nOtto               1    1    2\nReese              0    1    1\nReichel            1    0    1\nSkrudland          0    1    1\nYawney             0    1    1\n\nSan Jose: 3    Power play: 5-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nEvason             0    2    2\nGaudreau           0    1    1\nOdgers             2    1    3\nPederson           1    1    2\nWilkinson          0    1    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\n","584":"From: schaefer@imag.imag.fr (Arno Schaefer)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nNntp-Posting-Host: silene\nOrganization: Institut Imag, Grenoble, France\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5LErr.1J3@rahul.net>, bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes:\n|> In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes:\n|> \n|> >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I\n|> >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)\n|> >Thanks!\n|> > \n|> \n|> Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do\n|> any other graphics in Linux without X windows!  I love Linux because it is\n|> so easy to learn..  You want text?  Okay.   Use Linux. You want text AND\n|> graphics?  Use Linux with X windows.  Simple.  Painless.  REQUIRED to have\n|> X Windows if you want graphics!  This includes fancy word processors like\n|> doc, image viewers like xv, etc.\n|> \n\nSorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes\nwith Linux\/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows.\nSo at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't\nthink that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is\nnot very nice.\n\nBest Regards,\n\nArno\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nArno Schaefer\t\t\t\tENSIMAG, 2e Annee\nEmail: schaefer@silene.imag.fr\nTel.: (33) 76 51 79 95\t\t\t:-)\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","585":"From: ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto)\nSubject: Re: X-server multi screen\nOrganization: be41t\nLines: 37\n\nrainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes:\n\n>Hi Xperts, some simple questions for you:\n\n>I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing.\n>Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean:\n\n>\t-) multi-screen\n>\t-) multi-headed\n>\t-) multi-display\n>\t-) X-Server zaphod mode\n\n>Is there a limit how many screens\/displays a single server can handle\n>(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ?\n\n>How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one\n>screen\/display to another.\n\n>Any hints welcome.\n\n>Thanks, rainer.\n>-- \n>Rainer Hochreiter                | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 \/ 3961\n>ELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH     | Telefax  : +43 (1) 89100 \/ 3387\n>Penzingerstr. 76                 |\n>A-1141 Wien, Austria\/Europe      | E-mail   : rainer@elin.co.at\n\nAs to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit\nwould be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the\nserver.\n\n\n-- \nIndecision is the key to | Timothy E. Neto  (206) 655-5190              1   000\nflexibility, & you can't | Of B & T's Gadget & Widget Works             1  0. .0\nE-Mail God.              | Flight Systems Lab, Boeing Comm. Aircraft    1  0 _ 0\nMy ideas not Boeing's    | Internet: ten0772@aw401.fsl.ca.boeing.com    1   000\n","586":"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer writes:\n>\n>     Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie of  \n>the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years, Why  \n>bother.\n\nI'd be willing to make two wagers:\n1) Snow doesn't win ROY.\n2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years.\n\nI'm skeptical of the first, because I don't think Snow is that good a\nplayer, and he is on a losing team.\n\nI'm skeptical of the second because of his back.  Mattingly is 32 this\nyear, and how many players play until they are 40?  Not too many, and\nmost of them didn't have chronic back problems when they were 32.\n\nCould be wrong on either or both, but I think that's the smart way to\nbet...\n\nCheers,\n-Valentine\n","587":"From: chloupek@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu\nSubject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict\nOrganization: The Ohio State University, Department of Physics\nLines: 57\n\nIn article <1qp5juINNgu5@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr14.135948.3024@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, \n> tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell) said:\n> \n>> A good case? A F**KING GOOD CASE? The defense lawyer asked the victim\n>> questions like \"what kind of sexual perversions do you participate\n>> in?\"  and you think he made a good case?????\n> \n> Speaking as someone who's only about six weeks and a $6,900 tuition bill\n> away from becoming an unemployed slob with a law degree, I'd really like\n> to see a transcript of this trial.  I'd especially like to know what\n> happened immediately after the defense attorney asked that question\n> (assuming that the reports that he did so are accurate... I'm not\n> accusing Tom Farrell of making anything up, but this _is_ the sort of\n> case that spawns garbled misquotes, false rumors and urban legends like\n> tribbles).  It'd be nice to think that the prosecutor objected\n> (irrelevant, prejudicial, inflammatory... take your pick) and that the\n> judge upheld the objection.\n>\nI did hear this question asked during a radio news update of the case.  (They\nwere talking about the ongoing trial and had some audio clips).  Immediately\nafter the defense attorney asked the question, there was an \"Objection!\" heard\nin the background.  The clip ended at that point so I don't know if the\nobjection was upheld.  I can't imagine NC is *that* bad. \n\n>> The arresting officer said the bastards told him they did it on\n>> purpose and hoped the victim would die, and you think the defense made\n>> a good case????? No wonder we're losing!  We're aparently not trying\n>> to win!\n> \n> Again, I'd like to see the transcript... I'd read the latter bit of that\n> in the news media (the arresting officer testifying that one of the\n> defendants calmly asked him about the condition of the \"homo\" and said\n> that he hoped he'd die) but this is the first I've heard of the officer\n> testifying that one of the defendants actually said that he did anything\n> at all, let alone that he did it on purpose.\n>\nThis I didn't hear as an audio clip but heard it reported a number of times on\nnews stories both during and after the trial.  Now the \"we did it on purpose\"\nthing is stretching, I think it was something more like--he had it coming.  If\nsomebody else remebers better than I on this second point, feel free to\nclarify.  \n        \nFrank\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nFrank R. Chloupek \nCHLOUPEK@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu \nDepartment of Physics -- *The* Ohio State University\n(Not just any Ohio State University) \n\n\"There is only one hard-and-fast rule about the place to have a party:  \nsomebody else's place.\"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t--P.J. O'Rourke\n\n\n","588":"Subject: LCD Overhead Projectors\nFrom: jan@camhpp12.mdcbbs.com (Jan Vandenbrande)\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: M&E (Division of EDS), Cypress CA\nNntp-Posting-Host: 134.244.49.156\nLines: 13\n\nI am looking for one of those color LCD screens you\nplace on an overhead projector and control the presentation\nwith a Mac.\n\nCan you recommend me a particular brand?\nWhat price are we talking about?\n\nThanks, \n-- \nJan Vandenbrande\njan@ug.eds.com\t\t\t(New address)\njan@lipari.usc.edu\t\t(school address, forwards)\nUUCP: {uunet, uupsi}!ug!jan\n","589":"From: csd25@keele.ac.uk (C.M. Yearsley)\nSubject: Re: Can I Change \"Licensed To\" Data in Windows 3.1?\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: seq1.cc.keele.ac.uk\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\n\n: write over the \"Licensed to:\", but you can't change the name underneth it.  I\n: think if you wish to change this you would have to be a pirate, and we're not\n: going to promote that here.\n: \n\nNot so! My computer was supplied with my name in an 'interesting'\nmix of upper and lower case, and my workplace mis-typed. I'm\ngetting fed up with being 'CMyearslEY' at 'KEEL UNVERSITY'!\nIt took me 20 (!) phone calls to the supplier to get the computer\nworking at all. I really can't face tackling them again....\n\n\nChris\n","590":"From: bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver)\nSubject: Re: Question for those with popular morality \nOrganization: Microsoft Corp.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 103\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr02.025636.23256@microsoft.com> bobsarv@microsoft.com (Bob Sarver) writes:\n>\/Why would it be immoral to hurt someone else?  \n>\n\/(me)\n>Because you wouldn't want it to happen to you.\n\n\/(hudson)\n\/Why does that make something immoral?\n\n\n\nBecause you are not being consistent.  Moral systems must be consistent.\n\nA person who thinks they can inflict pain on others, but doesn't want it \ninflicted upon themselves, has a double standard.  And double standards are\na violation of *any* moral system.\n\n\n\n\n\n(me)\n>Morality defines how we interact with other people; the rules that we\n>use to guide our daily affairs.  Our conduct towards our fellow man.  By\n>realizing that we don't like pain, we can also realize that other people\n>don't like it, either.  \n\n\/(hudson)\n\/Of course we don't like pain.  I don't like brussel sprouts.  Are brussel\n\/sprouts immoral?\n\nPain isn't immoral, stupid.  Pain itself is just a physiological\nreaction.  \n\nWhat >>is<< immoral is subjecting unwilling individuals to pain.\n\nOr brussel sprouts, for that matter.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n(hudson)\n>\/Is it immoral to produce these same chemical reactions in a test tube?\n>\n(me)\n>It isn't the chemical reaction that is wrong, bozo.  It's making the human\n>being UNDERGO THE EFFECTS of the chemical reaction.  Sorry; your cute\n>little analogy didn't survive for very long under scrutiny.\n\n\/(hudson)\n\/Why would it be wrong to make humans undergo the effects of the reactions\n\/if humans are composed only of matter?  \n\nWhat humans are composed of isn't the qualifying criteria of whether or\nnot something would be wrong.  \n\n\n\n\n\/(hudson)\n\/Is it wrong to make matter undergo chemical reactions?\n\nYes, if it is sentient matter.\n\n\n\n\/(me)\n\/>Nature is not a sentient force; there is no choice involved.  Therefore,\n\/>no question of morality.\n\n\n\/(hudson)\n\/I actually heard a geologist entertain the notion that matter had a will.\n\/There is some sentient force out there.  \n\nFine.  I have also heard that the government is encoding the DNA for \na new race of superhumans in ordinary drinking water.  \n\nWhat's your point?\n\n\n\n\/(hudson)\n\/If humans are made only of matter, then choices are also chemical reactions,\n\/so why is choice an important issue.\n\nAnd if that is the case, then god is only an idea contained in the minds\nof people (formed of matter) and on printed pages (also formed of matter)\nand does not really exist.  \n\nI can do the argumentem ad absurdium just as well as you can, but it \nwon't prove any points for you or me.  Got anything relevant you want to \ntalk about, or are you just playing cute little games?\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","591":"From: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)\nSubject: Re: Statement of Sarah Brady Regarding Texas State Carrying Concealed Legislation\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.1psstg$bbe\nReply-To: bu008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brandon D. Ray)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 83\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, nigel.allen@canrem.com (\"nigel allen\") says:\n\n>\n>Here is a press release from Handgun Control Inc.\n>\n> Statement of Sarah Brady Regarding Texas State Carrying Concealed\n>Legislation\n> To: State Desk\n> Contact: Susan Whitmore of Handgun Control Inc., 202-898-0792\n>\n>   WASHINGTON, March 25 -- Following is a statement of Sarah \n>Brady regarding Texas state carrying concealed legislation:\n>\n>   \"A handful of lawmakers in Austin today have told the public that\n>their safety is of less importance than the interests of the National\n>Rifle Association.  This action comes as local, state and federal law\n>enforcement officials continue their stand-off with a religious cult\n>that has highlighted the need for tougher gun laws, not weaker ones\n>like the carry concealed bill.\n\n   \"A handful of anti-gun zealots are telling the public that their\nright to self-defense is of less importance than the interests of\nHandgun Control, Inc.  This action comes as local, state and federal law\nenforcement officials continue their assault on the Branch Davidian\ncompound--an assault which has already resulted in the death of one\ntwo year old child at the hands of federal agents.  This has highlighted\nthe need for citizens to be able to defend themselves and their children\nagainst the excesses of their own government.\"\n\n>   \"Any suggestion by proponents that this bill will help to reduce\n>crime is a distortion of the facts, at best.  This so-called\n>crime-fighting law has resulted in a 16 percent increase in violent\n>crime in the state of Florida, and I have never heard law enforcement\n>officials bragging that more guns on the streets is the way to reduce\n>crime.\n\n  \"Any suggestion by opponents that this bill will increase crime is a \ndistortion of the facts, at best.  The aggressive outreach by officials\nin central Florida to train and arm women has led to a dramatic drop in\nthe level of assault and rape in that area.  Of course, this program is\na rare gem, as many law enforcement officials apparently believe that an\nunarmed citizenry will be easier to control, and thus favor tighter \nrestrictions.\"\n\n>   \"The vote today is an insult to the law enforcement officials who\n>are putting their lives on the line every day to end the standoff in\n>Waco.  The entire country now knows just how easy it is for an\n>individual bent on destruction to amass an arsenal of weapons.  Texas\n>lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have shown total\n>disregard for those law officials on the front lines, and the\n>families of those who have fallen.\n\n   \"The vote today is a tribute to the good sense of the public at large\nwho are putting their lives on the line every day as they go about their\nlawful affairs.  The entire country knows how vulnerable the average \ncitizen is, both to attacks from criminals and from armed assault by our\nown police.  Texas lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have\nshown total understanding for those innocent, law-abiding citizens on the\nfront lines, and the families of those who have fallen.\"\n\n>   \"I urge the House of Representatives to listen to the 70 percent\n>of Texans that oppose this measure, and reject this ill-conceived\n>legislation.\"\n\n   \"I urge the House of Representatives to pay attention to the needs\nof their constituents, and not be stampeded by ill-conceived arguments\nfrom ideological fanatics.\"\n\n> -30-\n>-- \n> Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario     nigel.allen@canrem.com\n>--\n>Canada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario\n>416-629-7000\/629-7044\n>\nAin't propaganda fun?\n\n-- \n******************************************************************************\nThe opinions expressed by the author are insightful, intelligent and very\ncarefully thought out.  It is therefore unlikely that they are shared by the\nUniversity of Iowa or Case Western Reserve University.\n","592":"From: mutrh@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Todd R. Haverstock)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: Educational Computing Network\nLines: 10\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uxa.ecn.bgu.edu\n\n>Well, you young fellers won't remember, but we used to have side vent\n>front windows until some damn bean counter scrapped them. These were\n>separate triangular windows at the leading edge of the front doors\n>that pivoted outward at the rear edge. Worked like a charm.\n \nYeah, I loved the vent windows on my 82 Escort (hell, the only thing I liked\nabout the car).  One of the things I'd like to see brought back.  Does\nanyone know if they're an option on the new Escorts?\n\nTRH\n","593":"Subject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography\nFrom: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo)\nDistribution: inet\nOrganization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.\nNntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5uprt.GMq@dcs.ed.ac.uk> pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) writes:\n>\n>>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it\n>>was posted encrypted?\n>\n>>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain.\n>\n>In fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they\n>are almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the\n>EFF.\n\n\nIt also falls within the purview of the ACLU, but that doesn't mean\nthe ACLU (or the EFF) would be the most effective instrument to \n\"win the hearts and minds\" in favor of access to cryptography. \n\nIt's precisely slogans like \"cryptography makes censorship impossible\"\nwhich stand to torpedo any attempt to generate a broad consensus in favor\nof encryption.  It is not true, and in the context of a public debate it\nwould be a dangerous red herring.  Advocates of strong crypto had better\nprepare themselves to answer such charges in pragmatic terms that laypeople\nand politicians can sympathize with. The usual mumblings about\nConstitutional amendments are not enough.\n\n\n\nTal  kubo@math.harvard.edu\n","594":"From: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich)\nSubject: Searching for a phonetic font\nOrganization: Institut f. Arbeitsphysiologie a.d. Uni Dortmund\nLines: 13\n\nI'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If \nanybody knows one, please mail me!\n\nThanks.\n\ndw \n\n\n##################################################################\nDipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich    # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67          #\nweidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50           #\nPhone ++49 231 1084-250           # >> Dr. B.: \"Koennten Sie das #\nFax   ++49 231 1084-401           #      MAL EBEN erledigen?\" << #\n","595":"From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)\nSubject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics\nOrganization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things\nLines: 40\n\ntimmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes: >\n\n>OK, you have disproved one thing, but you failed to \"nail\" me.\n>\n>See, nowhere in my post did I claim that something _must_ be believed in.  Here\n>are the three possibilities:\n>\n>\t1) God exists. \n>\t2) God does not exist.\n>\t3) I don't know.\n>\n>My attack was on strong atheism, (2).  Since I am (3), I guess by what you said\n>below that makes me a weak atheist.\n  [snip]\n>First of all, you seem to be a reasonable guy.  Why not try to be more honest\n>and include my sentence afterwards that \n\nHonest, it just ended like that, I swear!  \n\nHmmmm...I recognize the warning signs...alternating polite and\nrude...coming into newsgroup with huge chip on shoulder...calls\npeople names and then makes nice...whirrr...click...whirrr\n\n\"Clam\" Bake Timmons = Bill \"Shit Stirrer Connor\"\n\nQ.E.D.\n\nWhirr click whirr...Frank O'Dwyer might also be contained\nin that shell...pop stack to determine...whirr...click..whirr\n\n\"Killfile\" Keith Allen Schneider = Frank \"Closet Theist\" O'Dwyer =\n\nthe mind reels.  Maybe they're all Bobby Mozumder.\n\n-- \nMaddi Hausmann                       madhaus@netcom.com\nCentigram Communications Corp        San Jose California  408\/428-3553\n\nKids, please don't try this at home.  Remember, I post professionally.\n\n","596":"From: cak3@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CHAD ANDREW KAUFFMAN)\nSubject: Car alarm info. (UNGO BOX)\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 12\n\n\n\n\n    I want to get a car alarm and I am thinking about getting an Ungo Box.\n    Does anyone out there have any knowledge or experience with any of\n    these alarms?  How about price ranges for the different models?\n    Are these good car alarms?  Please email me any responces.\n\n                cak3@ns3.lehigh.edu\n\n                                        Chad\n                                                Chad\n","597":"Subject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents)\nFrom: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)\nOrganization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.\nNntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com\nLines: 22\n\nIn <C5LJ0t.K52@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig) writes:\n\n>FACT:  It is unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA without a license\n>to do so from PKP, whether or not one is charging for it.  Furthermore,\n>any use of RSA, other than for research purposes allowed under US patent\n>law, is similarly unlawful.  Therefore, the \"average citizen\" cannot use\n>RSA to encrypt message traffic in the US without a license from PKP.\n\nWRONG:  I don't think even PKP claims this one.  It is not unlawful to\ndistribute code implementing RSA.  It appears to be unlawful to use it, so\nI agree with your last sentence.\n\n>FACT:  There are no restrictions (yet!) on the use of cryptography under\n>US law, although this is beginning to look like it will change.  The only\n>impediments to widespread use of RSA cryptography in the US are PKP's\n>patents.\n\nYes, that's correct.\n--\nArthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments\/Brea\n216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)\nMy opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.\n","598":"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)\nSubject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price?                      \nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.135153.11132@wdl.loral.com> gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) writes:\n>Road and Track (2\/88) BMW325is     0-60 7.5s, 1\/4 mile 15.7s\n>               (Road Test \n>                Annual 1993)       0-60 8.3s, 1\/4 mile 16.2s\n>\n>\n>Those are the numbers I was quoting, I have driven the older model but not the\n>newer.\n\n\nsure sounds like they got a ringer.  the 325is i drove was definitely\nfaster than that.  if you want to quote numbers, my AW AutoFile shows\n0-60 in 7.4, 1\/4 mile in 15.9.  it quotes Car and Driver's figures\nof 6.9 and 15.3.  oh, BTW, these numbers are for the 325i.\n\ni don't know how the addition of variable valve timing for 1993 affects it.\nbut don't take my word for it.  go drive it.\n\n-teddy\n","599":"From: debrown@hubcap.clemson.edu (David E. Brown)\nSubject: Re: Drivers for Stealth 24\nOrganization: Clemson University\nLines: 16\n\nDoug Ward writes:\n\n>I recently purchased a Diamond Stealth 24 Video card and received\n>the wrong drivers.  Does anyone know where I can ftp the proper\n>drivers?  The dstlth file at cica does not work with\n>this video card.  Please respond to doug@sun.sws.uiuc.edu\n\n>Thank you\n>Doug Ward\n\nIf you want to get them and get them now (also the most up to date) use\nthe BBS at 1-408-439-9096.  They may take an hour to download so do it\nwhen rates are low.  Yeah, I know it costs but locking up your system\ngets old quick.  Maybe someone has them on the net.  I've got the\nStealth drivers.\n\t\t\t\t\tDavid\n","600":"From: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)\nSubject: The Mystery in the Paradox\nReply-To: gifford@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Barbara Gifford)\nOrganization: Carderock Division, NSWC, Bethesda, MD\nLines: 9\n\nI have been looking for a book that specifically addresses\nthe mystery of God in the paradox.  I have read some that touch\non the subject in a chapter but would like a more detailed read.\n\nIs anyone aware of any books that deal with this subject.\n\nPlease e-mail me.  Thanks.\n\nBarbara\n","601":"From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson)\nSubject: Re: Cable TVI interference\nKeywords: catv cable television tvi\nOrganization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS\nLines: 14\n\nvictor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking) writes:\n\n)Do you know what frequencies chanels 17 to 19 use and what is usually \n)allocated to those frequencies for broadcast outside of cable?\n\n17 is air comm.\n18 is amateur\n19 is business and public service\n\n-- \nKen Thompson    N0ITL  \nNCR Corp.  Peripheral Products Division   Disk Array Development\n3718 N. Rock Road  Wichita KS 67226   (316)636-8783\nKen.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com \n","602":"From: tomcat@leland.Stanford.EDU (tom spearman)\nSubject: ATTENTION:  ALL NEO-GEO OWNERS READ THIS!\nKeywords: neo-geo\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 25\n\nHello Neo-Geo owners (and non-owners who couldn't resist the title;)),\n\nI was wondering if any of you out there want to trade or sell games.  I\nmean, buying them from the stores can get kinda expensive.  $184.99 is\na little too much to be spending on each game.  But ahh, the quality...\nNow I can get them for about $100, but that's still a lot.\n\nRight now, I have:\n\nCrossed Swords\nMagician Lord\nBaseball Stars 2\nFatal Fury\nNam-1975\n\nI am interested in buying more titles.  If any of you have any interesting\ntrade ideas, please let me know.\n\n\nThanks\n\nTom\ntomcat@leland.stanford.edu\n\n\n","603":"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)\nSubject: Re: Changing oil by self.\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 22\n\n\nIn article <C5LMtr.Mo7@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Za\nuberer) writes:\n>>>In article <1qgi8eINNhs5@skeena.ucs.ubc.ca>, yiklam@unixg.ubc.ca (Yik Chong\nLam) writes:\n>>>|> Hello,\n>>>|>     Does anyone know how to take out the bolt under the engine\n>>>|> compartment?  Should I turn clockwise or counter?  I tried any kind\n>>>|> of lubricants, WD-40,etc, but I still failed!\n>>>|>     Do you think I can use a electric drill( change to a suitable\n>>>|> bit ) to turn it out?  If I can succeed, can I re-tighten it not too\n>>>|> tight, is it safe without oil leak?\n>>>|> Thank you very much in advance------  Winson\n\nDon't worry about leaks.  Don't worry about which way to turn the damn thing.\nTake a good claw hammer and pry it straight out.  Now, you'll notice, after\nall the oil pours out, that there are no theads where there used to be.\n\nThats why 'heli coils' were invented.  Yes, buy a few of these gems, and\nrethread the hole a little larger each time you change the oil.\nWhen the hole gets too big for any heli coil you can buy, its time to trade in\nthe car...\n","604":"From: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org (Bob Billson)\nSubject: Re: subliminal message flashing on TV\nOrganization: Color Computer 3: Tandy's 'game' machine\nLines: 13\n\nkennehra@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Rich\"TheMan\"Kennehan) says:\n>Hi.  I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology\n>paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the\n>TV screen at 1\/200ths of a second.  Is that possible?  I thought the\n\nTake a look over in alt.folklore.urban.  There is a thread about subliminal\nmessages on TV.  The fact that subliminal messages don't work aside, an image\ncan't be flashed on a TV screen fast enough to not be noticed.\n-- \n  Bob Billson, KC2WZ                          | internet: bob@kc2wz.bubble.org\n  $nail:  21 Bates Way,  Westfield, NJ 07090  | uucp:     ...!uunet!kc2wz!bob\n\n               \"Friends don't let friends run DOS\" -- Microware\n","605":"From: d12751@tanus.oz.au (Jason Bordujenko)\nSubject: DAC Circuit\nOrganization: Pro-Net Australia\nLines: 54\n\nG'day All,\n\nI was looking to build a Parallel Port Digital to Analogue Converter the other\nday and came across this schematic which I promptly threw together on a piece\nof VeroBoard:\n\n\n     P2----22k----+\n     P3----48k----|\n     P4----100k---|\n     P5----200k---|\n     P6----400k---|\n     P7----800k---|    10uf electrolytic\n     P8----1M6----|  +\n     P9----3M2----+---||--+----------\n                          |            +\n            47nF ceramic  -   \n                          -\n                          |            -\n     P25------------------+----------\n\n\n(Please excuse the obvious limits of the Lower ASCII char set :=)\n\nI have it all constructed here and sitting inside a nice little grey ABS box.\n\nUnfortunately I can't get it to work... I have a little demo here by the name\nof Cronologia (Which the schematic came from) and all I can get it to pump\nout of the box is data type hash\/static with a small amount of music signal\nbehind it - it's even worse than the speaker inside the machine.\n\nDoes anybody out in net.colourful.computer.world have any ideas\/suggestions\/\nbetter designs\/improvements\/wastepaper bin... etc?\n\nMany thanks for a reply via this conference or email.\n\n  \/\/\n\\X\/  Regards, Jason.\n---\n\n+-------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Jason Bordujenko                                    Computer Department |\n| InterNet\/UseNet: d12751@tanus.oz.au           Townsville Grammar School |\n| FidoNet Node   : 3:640\/702 (Grammar BBS)               45 Paxton Street |\n| Data Phone No. : +61 77 72 6052 (Int.)       Townsville Queensland 4810 |\n|                : (077) 72 6052 (Aust.)                        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Once\nthe evaluation was complete I duly deleted the software from my PC.\n\nUnfortunately there is still a \"ghost\" of SPSS left: when I run\nsomething like \"Write\" and go to embed an object then \"SPSS Chart\"\nappears on the list of objects I'm offered. I looked around all\nthe obvious \"INI\" files without success. The next thing I tried\nwas looking for the string \"SPSS Chart\" in every file in the \nWindows directory. It turned up in a file called REQ.DAT (or\nREG.DAT). Unfortunately the file was binary and so I didn't feel\ninclined to edit it.\n\nI'd welcome a solution for removing SPSS from the list of OLE servers.\n\nChris Wooff\n(C.Wooff@liverpool.ac.uk)\n","607":"From: rschnapp@metaflow.com (Russ Schnapp)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nNntp-Posting-Host: habu\nOrganization: Metaflow Technologies Inc.\nLines: 19\n\nIt might be nice to:\n\n1. cut out the ad hominem attacks on Prof. Denning, Mr. Sternlight,\netc.  If you have something objective to say about their views, go\nahead and say it (subject to point 2.).  Personal attacks reflect more\non the attacker more than on the attackee.  Throw light, not heat!\n\n2. restrict the discussion to appropriate newsgroups. I submit that\ncomp.org.acm and comp.org.ieee are not appropriate for this\ndiscussion.  You have now made subscribers to these newsgroups aware of\nthe issue.  If they want to know more or participate in the discussion,\nthey can easily join sci.crypt, comp.security.misc, alt.security, or\ncomp.org.eff.talk.\n-- \n\n...Russ Schnapp\nEmail: netcom!metaflow!rschnapp or rschnapp@Metaflow.com or rschnapp@BIX.com\nMetaflow Technologies   Voice: 619\/452-6608x230;  FAX: 619\/452-0401\nLa Jolla, California    Unless otw specified, I`m speaking only for myself!\n","608":"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: Dayton Hamfest\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 33\n\nYes,\n\nTake Interstate I-70 to the route 48 exit.  Go south on 48 about\n2-1\/2 miles.  Trun right on Shiloh Springs Road.  The hamvention is\nat the Harrah arena, which is about 1 mile west and on the north\nside of the Road.  Parking at the arena is limited.  Lodging is\nprobably entirely booked-up within a 40 mile radius.  Good luck.\n\n                |                |\n                48               I75\n                |                |\n----------I70----------....---------\n                |                |\n                |                |\n          X     |                |\n(mall)  --------|                |\n   S. Springs   |\n\nIt is possible to park at the mall to the west.  There are shuttle\nbusses running between the arena and the mall.\n\nIf possible, get a Montgomery County, OH map from your local AAA\noffice.  It should be free if you are an AAA member.\n\nIf you don't already have definite plans, now is not a particularly\ngood time to start to think about going to the hamvention.\n\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1)    146.580: N8WED\n","609":"From: Amruth Laxman <al26+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Surviving Large Accelerations?\nOrganization: Junior, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\n\nHi,\n    I was reading through \"The Spaceflight Handbook\" and somewhere in\nthere the author discusses solar sails and the forces acting on them\nwhen and if they try to gain an initial acceleration by passing close to\nthe sun in a hyperbolic orbit. The magnitude of such accelerations he\nestimated to be on the order of 700g. He also says that this is may not\nbe a big problem for manned craft because humans (and this was published\nin 1986) have already withstood accelerations of 45g. All this is very\nlong-winded but here's my question finally - Are 45g accelerations in\nfact humanly tolerable? - with the aid of any mechanical devices of\ncourse. If these are possible, what is used to absorb the acceleration?\nCan this be extended to larger accelerations?\n\nThanks is advance...\n-Amruth Laxman\n\n","610":"From: amit@aryeh.uchicago.edu (Yali Amit)\nSubject: Problems with Open Windows\nOrganization: Dept. of Statistics\nLines: 22\n\n\n\n\n\n After having OpenWindows \n(Version 3 for SunOS 4.1) or Xwindows\nrunning continuously on my machine for 3-4 days,\nthe following message appears  when trying to open\na new window, or to run any program that needs to open windows.\n\nXView error: Cannot open connection to window server: :0.0 (Server\npackage)\n\nI would greatly appreciate any suggestions to solve this problem.\n\nYali Amit\nDepartment of Statistics\nUniversity of Chicago \nChicago IL 60615\n\n\n\n","611":"Subject: Re: ALT.SEX.STORIES under Literary Critical Analy\nFrom: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Harding University, Searcy, AR\nNntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: sandvik@newton.apple.com's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 00:06:17 GMTLines: 28\nLines: 28\n\nIn <sandvik-170493170457@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com writes:\n\n> In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis\n> Kriz) wrote:\n> > I'm going to try to do something here, that perhaps many would\n> > not have thought even possible.  I want to begin the process of\n> > initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on\n> > alt.sex.stories, to identify the major themes and motifs present\n> > in the stories posted there -- opening up then the possibility of\n> > an objective moral evaluation of the material present there.  \n> \n> Dennis, I'm astounded. I didn't know you were interested to even\n> study such filth as alt.sex.stories provide...\n> \n> Cheers,\n> Kent\n> ---\n> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n\n\"Finally, brethern, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is\nright, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute,\nif there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your\nmind dwell on these things.\"  Phil. 4:8.\n\nMore cheers,\nJohn\nNunnally@acs.Harding.edu\n\n","612":"From: lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. Lundby)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nNntp-Posting-Host: accord2\nOrganization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group\nLines: 48\n\n\n>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity?\n>>Superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary?\n>>\n \nAs a person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are\ntoo, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE FOOD INDUSTRY WANTS TO PUT MSG IN FOOD!!!\n\nSomebody in the industry GIVE ME SOME REASONS WHY!  \n\nIS IT AN INDUSTRIAL BYPRODUCT THAT NEEDS GETTING GET RID OF?\n\nIS IT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THE RECIPES ARE NOT VERY GOOD OR THE FOOD IS POOR QUALITY?\n\nDO SOME OF YOU GET A SADISTIC PLEASURE OUT OF MAKING SOME OF US SICK?\n\nDO THE TASTE TESTERS HAVE SOME DEFECT IN THEIR FLAVOR SENSORS (MOUTH etc...)\n  THAT MSG CORRECTS?\n\nI REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!\n\nALSO ... Nitrosiamines (sp) and sulfites...   Why them?  There are\n safer ways to preserve food, wines, and beers!\n\nI think \n1) outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as\nlarge as those on cig. packages.\n2) Require 30% of comparable products on the market to be free of these\nsubstances and state that they are free of MSG, DYES, NITROSIAMINES and SULFITES on the package.\n3) While at it outlaw yellow dye #5.  For that matter why dye food?  \n4) Take the dyes and flavorings out of vitamins.  (In my OSCO only Stress\nTabs (tm) didn't have yellow dye #5)  { My doctor says Yellow Dye #5 is\nresponsible for 1\/2 of all nasal polyps !!! }\n\nKEEP FOOD FOOD!  QUIT PUTTING IN JUNK!\n\nJUST MY TWO CENTS WORTH.\n\nSig:  A person tired of getting sick from this junk!\n\n-- \nWalter Lundby\n\n\n\n-- \nWalter Lundby\n\n","613":"From: darndt@nic.gac.edu (David Arndt)\nSubject: Johnny Hart's (B.C. comic strip) mailing address?\nOrganization: Gustavus Adolphus College\nLines: 17\n\nSubject pretty much says it all - I'm looking for Johnny Hart's (creator\nof the B.C. comic stip) mailing address.\n\nFor those of you who haven't seen them, take a look at his strips for Good\nFriday and Easter Sunday.  Remarkable witness!\n\nIf anyone can help me get in touch with him, I'd really appreciate it! \nI've contacted the paper that carries his strip and -- they'll get back to\nme with it!\n\nThanks for your help,\n\nDave Arndt\nSt. Peter's Evangelical Lutheran Church\nSt. Peter, MN 56082\n\ndarndt@nic.gac.edu\n","614":"From: shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Shell Oil\nLines: 109\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.35.1993.28412@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:\n>vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:\n>>In article <Apr.10.05.32.29.1993.14388@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:\n>> > ...\n>> >\n>> >Are all truths also absolutes?\n>> >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)?\n>> >\n>> The answer to both questions is yes.\n>\n>Perhaps we have different definitions of absolute then.  To me,\n>an absolute is something that is constant across time, culture,\n>situations, etc.  True in every instance possible.  Do you agree\n>with this definition?  I think you do:\n>\n>> Similarly, all truth is absolute.  Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a \n>> contradiction in terms.  When is something absolute?  When it is always\n>> true.  Obviously, if a \"truth\" is not always \"true\" then we have a\n>> contradiction in terms.  \n\nI agree with Carol here.  Determining absolutes is, practically speaking, a\nwaste of time.  And we easily forget that relative truth is, in fact relative.\n\nFor example, I recently was asking some children the question \"What temperature\ndoes water boil at?\"  I got the answer 212 degrees consistently.  I asked\nif they knew what scale, and was told \"It's just 212 degrees.  Any scale.\nThat's what all thermometers say.\"  Well, that's sincere, and may be\ntrue in the experience of the speaker, but it is simply wrong.  IT is NOT\nan absolute truth.  Similarly, Scripture is full of Truth, which we should\nnurture and cherish, but trying to determine which parts are Absolute Truth\nand which parts are the manifestations of that in the context of the time\nand culture in which the text was penned is missing the point.  Then religion\neasily becomes an intellectual head-trip, devoid of the living experience of \nthe indwelling Trinity and becomes dead scholasticism, IMO.\n \n[example of head-covering in Church deleted]\n\nThis was a good example.  There may be an Absolute Truth behind the\nwriting, but the simplest understanding of the passage is that the\ninstructions apply to the Corinthians, and not necessarily elsewhere.\nThe instructions may reflect Absolute Truth in the context of first\ncentury culture and the particular climate at Corinth, which was having\na LOT of trouble with order. Is it Absolute Truth to me?  No.  And I \nsee no compelling, or even reasonable, reason that it should be.\n \n>Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture \n>to be absolute truth.  (And there are plenty of other examples.)\n>Can you reconcile this?\n\nEven the most die-hard literalists do not take all of the Bible literally.\nI've yet to meet anyone who takes the verse \"blessed is he who takes your\nbabies and smashes their heads against the rocks\" literally.  The Bible\nwas not printed or handed to us by God with color codings to tell us\nwhat parts should be interpreted which way. \n \n>> Many people claim that there are no absolutes in the world.  Such a\n>> statement is terribly self-contradictory.  Let me put it to you this\n>> way.  If there are no absolutes, shouldn't we conclude that the statement,\n>> \"There are no absolutes\" is not absolutely true?  Obviously, we have a\n>> contradiction here.\n>\n>I don't claim that there are *no* absolutes.  I think there are very\n>few, though, and determining absolutes is difficult.\n\nI agree.  Very few.  And even if we knew them, personally, we may not be \nable to express that in a way that still conveys Absolute Truth to another.\nThe presence of absence of Absolutes may not make any difference, since I\nknow I can never fully apprehend an Absolute if it walks up and greets me.\n>\n>> >There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical \n>> >Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding \n>> >Biblical interpretation.\n>> \n>> So?  People sometimes disagree about what is true. This does not negate \n>> the fact, however, that there are still absolutes in the universe.  \n\nI can't prove the existence of absolutes.  I can only rely upon MY experience.\nI also trust God's revelation that WE cannot fully comprehend the infinite.\nTherefore we can't comprehend the Absolutes.  So I don't need them.  \nI can never know the essence of God, only the energies by and through which\nGod is manifested to God's creation.  So the reality can be that there ARE\nabsolutes, but it is of no practical importance.  It's like claiming that the\noriginal scriptural autographs were perfect, but copies may not be.  Swell.\nWho cares?  It doesn't affect me in any practical useful way.  I might as \nwell believe that God has made a lot of electric blue chickens, and that they\nlive on Mars.  Maybe God did.  So what? Is that going to have ANY effect on \nhow I deal with my neighbor, or God?  Whether or not I go to this or that\ncafeteria for lunch?  No.  \n\nThis attitude leads many non-Christians to believe that ALL Christians\nare arrogant idiots incapable of critical reasoning.  Christianity is true,\nwonderful and sensible.  It appeals to Reason, since Reason is an inner\nreflection of the Logos of God.  Explanations that violate that simply\nappear to be insecure authoritarian responses to a complex world.\n\nNOTE:  I'm NOT claiming there is no place for authority. That'd be silly.\n       There IS a world of difference between authoritative and authoritarian.\n       Authoritative is en expression of authority that respects others.\n       Authoritarian is en expression of authority that fails to do that,\n       and is generally agressive.  Good parents (like God) are authoritative.\n       Many Christians are simply authoritarian, and, not surprisingly, few \n       adults respond to this treatment.\n\nLarry Overacker (llo@shell.com)\n-- \n-------\nLawrence Overacker\nShell Oil Company, Information Center    Houston, TX            (713) 245-2965\nllo@shell.com\n","615":"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nReply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <1r3qab$o1v@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n>In article <930421.102525.9Y9.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n>#frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n>#> In article <930420.100544.6n0.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew\n>#> <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n>#> #This is complete nonsense.  Relativism means saying that there is no absolut\n>#> #standard of morality; it does NOT mean saying that all standards of morality\n>#> #are equally good.\n>#> \n>#> Presumably this means that some moral systems are better than others?\n>#> How so?  How do you manage this without an objective frame of reference?\n>#\n\nEither Frank O'Dwyer or mathew said:\n\n[...stiff deleted...]\n\n>#Which goes faster, a bullet or a snail?  How come you can answer that when\n>#Einstein proved that there isn't an objective frame of reference?\n\n[...stiff deleted...]\n\nSpeed is a quantifiable measure resulting from a set of methods that\nwill result in the same value measured no matter the reference.  A \nbullet with zero velocity sitting on a table on a train moving 60mph\nwill be moving at a speed of\n\n        (a) 0mph to someone on the train.\n        (b) 60mph to someone stationary next to the train.\n\nThe reference frame makes the speed relative.  But what's interesting\nhere is that every person on the train will see a stationary bullet.\nEvery person off, a bullet moving 60mph.  \n\nI know of no train where all the people on it, every time it is\nfilled, will see a moral problem in exactly the same way.\n\n-- \n jim halat         halat@bear.com     \nbear-stearns       --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--\n   nyc             i speak only for myself\n\n\n\n\n","616":"From: ctd2t@Virginia.EDU (\"Chris Dong\")\nSubject: WANTED:MEMPHIS SUBLET\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 6\n\n\nNon-smoking, normal law student needs furnished place to live in Memphis\nthis summer.  I'll be working at a firm downtown and will have\nto pass the bar character examination, so you don't have to worry about \nyour stuff being broken or stolen.  Call Chris at (804)979-2519\nor leave e-mail.\n","617":"From: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (elaine 'beano' leffler)\nSubject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)\nKeywords: Zephyr stock forks BAD.  Mushy.  Dive.\nArticle-I.D.: jethro.1psrdn$g3r\nReply-To: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: SunConnect\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: smarmy.eng.sun.com\n\nIn article 3126@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:\n>By the way Bob, er Dave (sorry!), I had read a review that said the 550\n>engine was pretty much identical to the GPz, but that the suspension\n>and frame is more modern. \n\nthe fancy piggyback shocks on the 550 (and the 750, i think.  i don't\nknow about the zr1100) are very nice, 3-way adjustability.  the forks\nare crappy, they dive like MAD.  i had progressive springs installed\nand it made a huge difference.  cheap fix, MUCH improvement.\n\nelef\n","618":"From: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (Robert J. Brown)\nSubject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.3-4   \nNntp-Posting-Host: venus.iucf.indiana.edu\nReply-To: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu\nOrganization: IUCF\nDistribution: rec\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <Stafford-200493103434@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes...\n>>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:\n>>  Is it possible to do a \"wheelie\" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n> \n>\tYes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.\n> See, it just HOPS into the air!  Figure.\n>John Stafford \n\n  Sure you can do wheelies with a shaft drive bike. I had a BMW R100RS\nthat was a wheelie monster! Of course it didn't have the initial power\nburst to just twist it into the air - I had to pop the clutch. I also\nhad to replace front fork seals a few times as well. The fairing is a \nbit heavy to be slamming down onto those little stantion tubes all the\ntime. But let me give you fair warning: I trashed the ring\/pinion gear\nin the final drive of my K75 (I assume) doing wheelies. And this was \nNO cheap fix either!! There is some kind of \"slip\" device in the shaft\nto prevent IT from breaking. Unfortunately, it didn't save the gears!\n\n  On the topic of wheelies, the other day I saw a kid on a big Hurricane\ndo a \"stoppy\"(?), or rear wheelie. Man, he had the rear end on this bike \nup about 2 feet off the ground at a traffic light. I don't recommend these\nactivities anymore (now that I'm an \"old guy\" with kids of my own) but\nit looked damn impressive!!\n\n  If you can't keep both tires on the ground, at least have 'em pointed\nin that direction! :-)\n\nCheers, \nB**2\n","619":"From: rgooch@rp.CSIRO.AU (Richard Gooch)\nSubject: Re: X11R5 and Open Look\nOrganization: CSIRO Division of Radiophysics\/Australia Telescope National Facility\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr12.155820.82@aedc-vax.af.mil>, bonds@aedc-vax.af.mil writes:\n> I am reposting this because I am not sure my first post ever made it out.\n> I have built and installed X11R5 on my SPARCstation 2.  My aim is to run\n> the MIT X server but retain the OpenLook Window Manager.  I am sure this\n> is not uncommon, but I just want to make sure that I change and\/or delete\n> everything that I need to.  For instance, I can start xdm in rc.local, but\n> how do I get rid of Xnews?\n> \n\n  The OpenLook window manager source is available on the MIT contrib tapes\n  or from  export.lcs.mit.edu  .I would suggest building this too, rather than\n  using the version from OpenWindows. It is  olwm  v3.\n\n\t\t\t\tRegards,\n\n\t\t\t\t\tRichard Gooch....\n","620":"From: moy@cae.wisc.edu (Howard Moy)\nSubject: Madison WI summer sublet\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nDistribution: uwix\nLines: 35\n\n\n\n\nDowntown FURNISHED Summer Sublet\n\n     May 15 thru Aug 15\n     Great location at:\n     215 N. Frances St.\n          & Johnson St. (Across Witte)\n          Near Nitty Gritty & Near Howard Johnson\n          Near State Street & Near South East Dorms\n          Near University Square & Near SERF\n     Two bedroom\n          Your own spacious room\n               (the larger!)\n          Laundry available\n          Parking available\n          Bathroom\n          Kitchen\n          Large Closet\n          Dual Desks\n          Just pay for electricity (~$7\/month)\n\n     Asking $500 for whole summer!\n\n     Send inquiries to:\n               Howard\n               608-255-6379\n               moy@cae.wisc.edu\n\n-- \n-Howard\n_________________________________________________________\n!                    Howard Moy\t\t\t\t!\n!                  (608) 255-6379\t\t\t!\n","621":"From: vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida\nLines: 61\n\ntobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes:\n\n> In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (\"Erik Vel\n> >This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.\n> >Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to\n> >throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five\n> >cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly\n> >a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck \n> >in the head by one of the larger rocks.  I don't recall if she \n> >made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and \n> >doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.\n> >\n> >What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I\n> >can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but\n> >20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??\n> >\n> >Erik velapold\n> \n> Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason\n> is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is\n> \"No Big Deal\". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort \n> children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised\n> when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the\n> message they hear is \"Life is Cheap\"!\n> \n> AT\n\nWell people fortunatly or unfortunatly ,\nonly the US is experiencing the devaluation of human life (among \ndeveloped nations).\n\nI am an American but I was raised in Europe, where the worst thing that \ncan happen to somebody is get his car broken into, or have his pocket\npicked by Slaves or Russian refugees.\n\nOf cource there will be some nutcases, but thats extremely rare.\n\nI.e. in Greece you can walk through any neighborhood at any time during\nthe night without even worrying.\n\nIn Germany , you can walk the sidewalks at 4.00 am and not even look \nbehind your back, at the sanitation crews that clean the streets to a \nsparkling cleen.\n\nWhoever of you have been there you know what I am saying.\n\nI dont have any easy answers but if we as a nation do some selfcritisism\nwe might get somewhere.\n\nOf course these postings sould be in soc.culture.US but if we reduce\ncrime here it 'll mean less car insurance rates ,thus we could spend\nmore money on modifing our cars. (Now my posting is rec.autos.tech \nrevelant).\n\nVlasis  Theodore\n\n___________________\nSoftware Engineer\nIDB Mobile Communications.\n\nSig under development ...\n","622":"From: stamber@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Kevin L. Stamber)\nSubject: LIST OF TEE TIMES AT METROPOLITAN TORONTO GOLF COURSES FOR MONDAY\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 6\n\n;^)\n\nKevin L. Stamber\nPurdue University\n...and Phil Kirzyc (The Kielbasa Kid) will roam the Arena for interviews.\n\n","623":"From: hildjj@jupiter.fuentez.COM (Joe Hildebrand)\nSubject: Re: question regarding overlaying of graphics\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 30\nTo: venkatg@grace.cs.orst.edu (Gopal Venkatraman)\nCc: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\n> Let's say I have two rectangles on the canvas(see above) \n> one intersecting the other...\n> Now, I would like to delete one of the rectangles.\n> The way I do it is to create another GC wherein I use the\n> GXxor logical function and simply redraw the rectangle using the\nnewly\n> created graphics context thus deleting it for all apparent purposes.\n> A problem with this approach is that at the points of intersection\nthe pixel \n> locations belonging to the other rectangle also become white, which\nis \n> something that should be avoided.\n\nYou could set up a bitmap with a mask in it.  Clear the\nbitmap, draw the rectangle to be deleted with GXor.  Draw the one\nthat is to stay with GXclear.  Then GXxor the entire pixmap with\nthe screen.  \n\nNote that this is a pretty effective way of animation, if you ever\nneed to do that (replace the GXclear with a GXxor).\n\n----------\nJoe Hildebrand\nhildjj@fuentez.com\nSoftware Engineer\nFuentez Systems Concepts\n(703)273-1447\n\nStandard disclaimers apply\n","624":"From: lee@tosspot.sv.com (Lee Reynolds)\nSubject: CGA card\/monitor wanted\nOrganization: Ludus Associates, Incorporated.\nLines: 4\n\nAnd again......\n               title says it all. WHY?\n\n                      Lee (lee@tosspot.sv.com)\n","625":"From: nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE\nNntp-Posting-Host: mushroom.psych.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Psych Department, Indiana University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 28\n\n<34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:\n>Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork\n>to defend the burning of the children.\n\n    Actually all the liberals I've seen have deplored the burning of \nchildren. I would far preferred that the Davidians had not set the \nfire that burned themselves and their children to death, but I don't \nbelieve that the responsibility for the fire (or the almost complete \nabsense of attempts to escape the blaze) can be placed at the door of \nthe Federal authorities.\n\n>Probably drooled all over themselves while watching the TV coverage.\n\n    Not so. My wife got me a convenient plastic \"drip pan\" for Christmas...\n\n>Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well.\n\n    Yeah, those Nazis. You know how we liberals just love those Nazis.\n\n>Oh yeah, ATF\/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are\n>a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute.\n\n    Yeah, as information trickles in... funny how that works...\n\n--\nNathan Engle                        Software Juggler\nPsychology Department               Indiana University\nnate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu      nengle@silver.ucs.indiana.edu\n","626":"From: rjf@lzsc.lincroftnj.ncr.com (51351[efw]-Robert Feddeler(MT4799)T343)\nSubject: Re: centrifuge\nOrganization: AT&T Middletown N.J. U.S.A.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 16\n\nMr. Blue (car@access.digex.com) wrote:\n: Could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is\n: used for? I vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes\n: around really fast but I cant remember why youd want to do that?\n\n\nPurely recreational.  They get bored sitting in that\nrack all the time.\n\n\n\n--\nbob.\t\t\t\t\t   | I only smile when I lie,\nYou can learn more in a bar\t\t   | And I'll tell you why...\n\tthan you can in a lawyer's office. |\nWere these more than just my opinions, they would have cost a bit more.\n","627":"From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)\nSubject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm)\nNntp-Posting-Host: 211.2.1.197\nOrganization: Texaco\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <9304191540.AA09727@sparc1.jade.com>, graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham) writes:\n|> \n|> I am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window\n|> of some sort with moving symbols among other things.  A pure X application\n|> could be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an \n|> XmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib.  But I would like to take advantage of\n|> the Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS\/6000 (SGI's GL i believe).\n|> \n|> Is it possible to mix X and GL in one application program?\n|> Can I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me\n|> with XOpenWindow?\n\nThere is a widget already defined for GL.  It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or\nGlxDraw (athena) widget.  It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it\nallows you to use GL calls to render into the window.  Look at glxlink,\nglxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages.\n\n|> I have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first\n|> time winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server.   Also, most of\n|> the GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls.  From this\n|> initial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily.   Is this\n|> true?\n\nThe GlxMDraw widget works pretty well.  OpenGL will be an improvement.\n\n|> Does PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL?\n\nI think GL is a little easier to use and a little more powerful, but\nthat's just an opinion.  Mileage may vary.\n\n\n-- \nLarry D. Pyeatt                 The views expressed here are not\nInternet : pyeatt@texaco.com    those of my employer or of anyone\nVoice    : (713) 975-4056       that I know of with the possible\n                                exception of myself.\n","628":"From: rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com (Jim Rosenkranz)\nSubject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.\nReply-To: rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com (Jim Rosenkranz)\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Corp.\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <79557@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:\n|>Xref: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com misc.invest:40997 misc.forsale:88577\n|>Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!e2big.mko.dec.com!uvo.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!mmm\n|>From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)\n|>Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.forsale\n|>Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.\n|>Message-ID: <79557@cup.portal.com>\n|>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 08:53:51 PDT\n|>Organization: The Portal System (TM)\n|>References:  <ACpDgohaWA@commed.msk.su>\n|>Lines: 4\n|>\n|>I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union.  Among the cars, dinette\n|>sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom,\n|>RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc.  Don't they\n|>have garage sales in Russia?   :-)\n|>\n\nIt really doesn't strike me as very funny. It is rather indicative of what\na crisis their economy is in. I imagine they are in desparate need of\nmarkets to sustain industries and people which are nolonger under central\ncontrol of the government.\n--\nJim Rosenkranz\trosen@kranz.enet.dec.com\n\n\"Never try to teach a pig to sing: it can't be done, and it annoys the pig.\"\n","629":"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602\/621-9615)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93   God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <bskendigC5I9yH.ICp@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n\n>If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing,\n>then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me.\n>Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments\n>before, and they just don't convince me.\n\nBe warned, it is not my job to convert you.  That is the job of\nthe Holy Spirit.  And I, frankly, make a lousy one.  I am only\nhere to testify.  Your conversion is between you and God.  I am\n\"out of the loop\".  If you decide to follow Jesus, of which I\nindeed would be estatic, then all the glory be to God.\n\n-------------\nBrian Ceccarelli\nbrian@gamma1.lpl.arizona.edu\n","630":"From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)\nSubject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610\nOrganization: Apple Computer Inc.\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <C5115s.5Fy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> \njht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus) writes:\n>         I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg\n> simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the\n> local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that\n> you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even\n> if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4\n> meg simms were incompatibable...  Just thought people might\n> want to know.....\n\nThere's absolutely no reason why differences in the DRAM access time \n_alone_ would cause an incompatibility.  There would have to be another \ndifference between the SIMMs for there to be a problem.  I've often used \nmemory of different speeds with no problems whatsoever.  As long as it's\nas fast (or faster) than the minimum requirement you should be fine.\n\nJust out of curiosity, did you actually try this and see a problem, or \nwere you told it wouldn't work and so never tried it?  Also out of \ncuriosity, do you know exactly who in Cupertino you dealer talked to (as \nI'd like to find out what they're basing this recommendation on).\n\n- Dale Adams\n  Apple Computer, Inc.\n","631":"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nSubject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 34\nReply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) says:\n\n>>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear\n>>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using\n>>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush\n>>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.\n>\n>In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane.  Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph.  I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future  positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential.  \n>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake\n>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.  \n\njust to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one?  It seems\nto me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on.  You do not need\nto calculate the future position.  You need to look at your mirrors a little\nmore.  If you glance around, you will be able to tell how much faster than you\nthe car is going.  Maybe not precisely, but well enough to know if you should\nlet him around before you try to pass.  I know what you are talking about,\nabout the other driver being startled, because i myself have been startled\nby drivers cruising by at around 90-100mph when i'm doin 55-65.  The problem,\nthough, as i saw it, was not their fault for barreling around me, but my fault\nfor not paying the attention to my task-at-hand that i should have been.\nOddly enough, since the 2nd time(happened 2x in around 4 mo. when i'd had my\nliscence for around 6 mo), i haven't been startled..and i've been passed by\ncars doing roughly twice the speed of my car.  Another odd occurance is the\nfact that this only seems to happen on LONG trips...and if i drive along with\nthem, it doesn't happen at all :-) even on the long trips! :-)  (adrenaline\nwill do that to you...i've had bad cop experiences with speeding, so anything\nover the limit is adrenalizing for me...scared i'll get caught :-)  Maybe\nthey should raise the limit, so we can pay better attention.....\n\njust curious, and my .otwo\n\nDREW\n","632":"From: tapscott@adoc.xerox.com (Peter Tapscott)\nSubject: For Sale: Harvard Graphics for Windows\nKeywords: Harvard Graphics, sale\nOrganization: Xerox PARC\nDistribution: us\nLines: 17\n\n\nFor Sale:\n\tBrand new, shrinkwrapped\n\n\tHARVARD GRAPHICS FOR WINDOWS\n\n\tList Price: $500\n\tCheapest pince in Computer Shopper (mail order): $315\n\tMy Price: $250\n\nThis is really a slick package, but I won it in a bike race so I\ncan't return it for credit. My dilemma is your fire sale.\n\n-- \n** Peter Tapscott, Xerox - Palo Alto Research Center\n** Internet: tapscott.adoc@xerox.com    XNS Net: Tapscott:PARC:Xerox\n** 415 813-6885\n","633":"From: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU (Jay Heminger)\nSubject: Re: TIGER STADIUM GIF?\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fledgling.wpi.edu\nOriginator: ching@fledgling.WPI.EDU\n\n\n\nI hate to be rude, but screw the seating chart, post the stadium instead.\n\n-- \n------------------------THE LOGISTICIAN REIGNS SUPREME!!!----------------------\n|\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t      |\n|   GO BLUE!!!   GO TIGERS!!!   GO PISTONS!!!   GO LIONS!!!   GO RED WINGS!!! |\n-------------------------------ching@wpi.wpi.edu-------------------------------\n","634":"From: sun075!Gerry.Palo@uunet.uu.net (Gerry Palo)\nSubject: Re: Christianity and repeated lives\nLines: 84\n\nIn article <May.5.02.52.15.1993.28800@athos.rutgers.edu> JEK@cu.nih.gov writes:\n>Gerry Palo writes:\n>\n> > ...there is nothing in Christianity that precludes the idea of\n> > repeated lives on earth.\n>\n>The Apostle Paul (Romans 9:11) points out that God chose Jacob\n>rather than Esau to be the ancestor of the Covenant People and\n>ultimately of the Messiah, and that He made this choice while the\n>two boys were still in their mother's womb, and therefore could not\n>possibly have done anything good or evil to deserve their appointed\n>destinies. If we admit the possibility that they had lived previous\n>lives, and that (in accordance with the Asiatic idea of \"karma\")\n>their present lives are a reward or punishment for past behaviour,\n>this makes nonsense of Paul's whole point.\n>\n\nThe existence of repeated earth lives and destiny (karma) does not\nmean that everything that happens is predetermined by past deeds.\nThere is an oriental view of it that tends in that direction, but I\ndid not subscribe to that view.  God may choose one individual over\nanother as the fit instrument for his plans, but that does not\npreclude that the development of that individual into what he is in\nthis earthly life is not the result of a longer course of development.\n\nI do not, and Rudolf Steiner did not, subscribe to the oriental view\nof an inexorable, mechanistic karma determining everything that\nbefalls one.  This is a kind of shriveled caricature of a much greater\nlaw in the context of which the deed of Christ on Golgotha and the\nultimate salvation and freedom of the human being as a working of\nChrist can be seen as the master theme and, indeed, a new impulse that\nwas completely free of karma.  Christ incarnated only once in the\nflesh, and in that he had no debt of karma or sin.  The oriental\nconcepts of reincarnation and karma, which are even more trivialized\nand mechanized in some new age teachings, incorrectly assume Jesus\nChrist to have been the reincarnation of a master.  avatar, etc.\nTheir teaching of reincarnation and karma also has no concept the\ncontinuing individuality from one life to the next (e.g. Buddhism).\nMore important, they have no concept of the resurrection of the body,\nthe ultimate continuity of the whole human being -- to ultimate\nresurrection and judgement on the Last Day.\n\nThere is another biblical passage that also has a bearing. It is the\ntenth chapter of John, devoted almost entirely to the man born blind.\nClearly here, Jesus tells the disciples that it was not his past karma\nor that of his parents that led to his blindness, but rather that a\nnew impulse is to be revealed through him.  But note that he does not\nrefute the disciples' question.  In fact, they ask it as a matter of\ncourse, the question being stated as if it were self evident that only\none of two possibilities existed - it was either the sins of the man\nhimself, obviously not in this incarnation, or the sins of his\nparents.  The fact that they even asked about the first possibility at\nall indicates an awareness of the idea on their part and the form of\nChrist's answer indicates that he did not disagree with it.\n\nThere is also Matthew 11:14, where Jesus says straight out about John\nthe Baptist,\n\n   \"If you care to accept it, he himself is Elias, who was to come.\"\n\nThis also emphasizes that the Gospels do not have a positive teaching\neither way about reincarnation -- or, in fact, about what happens to\nthe human being at all between death and the Last Day.  Even Jesus did\nnot push this teaching on people who were not ready to embrace it (\"If\nyou care to accept it\").  So I took care to point out, not that the\nBible teaches reincarnation but that it does not deny it either, and\nthat much in both scripture and fundamental Christian doctrine becomes\nunderstandable if reincarnation is understood in the right way.  I\npointedly used \"repeated earth lives\" to distinguish a little from the\noriental doctrines usually associated with the word \"reincarnation\".\nThe phrase is Rudolf Steiner's (wiederholte Erdenleben).  He noted too\nthat the idea needed to arise as a new insight in the west, completely\nfree from eastern tradition.  It did in the eighteenth and nineteenth\ncenturies, the most important expression of it being Lessing's \"The\nEducation of the Human Race\".\n\nTo return to your original point, Paul's statement about Jacob and\nEsau does not contradict the idea of repeated earth lives and karma.\nAnd both of these principles receive their fulfillment in the\nincarnation, death, and resurrection, ascension and return of Jesus\nChrist, in my view.\n\nRegards, \nGerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)\n","635":"From: npm@netcom.com (Nancy P. Milligan)\nSubject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 15\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nI'd dump him.  Rude is rude and it seems he enjoys belittling and\nhumiliating you.  But don't just dump him, write to him and tell\nhim why you are firing him.  If you can, think about sending a copy\nof your letter to whoever is in charge of the clinic where he works, \nif applicable, or maybe even to the AMA.  Don't be vindictive in\nyour letter, be truthful but VERY firm.\n\nBut don't be a victim and just put up with it.  Take control!  It'll\nmake you feel great!\n\nNancy M.\n-- \nNancy P. Milligan\t\t\t\t\tnpm@netcom.com\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t      or\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tnpm@dale.cts.com\n","636":"From: ciarlett@mizar.usc.edu (Joni Ciarletta)\nSubject: Master Cylinder\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 10\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mizar.usc.edu\n\n\nThanks to everyone who responded to my Honda Accord break question.\nIt does seem that the master cylinder is bad. I will have my\nmechanic double check and be sure it isn't something simpler\nand cheaper first, but from your responses it sounds like it\nis very likely to be the master cylinder.\n\nThanks everyone!!\n\nJoni\n","637":"From: ka2czu@cbnewsh.att.com\nSubject: Christians in the Martial Arts\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 39\n\nGreetings and Salutations!\n\nI would like to get in touch with people who\n(a) consider themselves Christians (you define it), and\n(b) are in the Martial Arts\n\nSome topics for discussion:\n\t- your particular martial art\n\t- your view of the relationship between\n\t\tChristianity and your art\n\t- your view of the relationship between\n\t\t*your* Christianity and your art\n\t- why should a Christian participate in MA\n\t- why shouldn't a Christian participate in MA\n\t- Biblical views of MA; pro or con.\n\nFor example, I heard from one fellow:\n\t\"...I tried the Karate for Christ thing and it wasn't for me...\"\n\t- why or why not?\n\nAs an aside, I am involved (in *NO* official way) with an\norganization called the Christian Black Belt Association and\nI would also like to distribute info regarding upcoming events\nto *those who are interested*.  No, you won't be put on any\n\"mailing list\" nor will your name be \"sold\".\n\nHowever, if you ARE intested in an email list, let me know.\n\nI am interested in email replies ONLY as this is cross-posted \nto groups I don't normally read.  If anyone wants a summary\nor, of course, on-going discussion, then let me know.\n\n\nShalom,\nRobert Switzer\nka2czu@cbnewsh.att.com\n-- \nBell Labs, 200 Laurel Ave., 2b-334, Middletown, NJ 07748-4801 USA (908)957-2923\n...-.-    Amateur Radio Operator           KA2CZU   Robert Switzer\n","638":"From: dsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov (Doug S. Caprette)\nSubject: CS chemical agent\nOrganization: CDP VLBI\nLines: 10\n\n\n\nCan anyone provide information on CS chemical agent--the tear gas used recently\nin WACO.  Just what is it chemically, and what are its effects on the body?\n\ndsc@gemini.gsfc.nasa.gov  \n |  Regards,         |   Hughes STX                |    Code 926.9 GSFC        |\n |  Doug Caprette    |   Lanham, Maryland          |    Greenbelt, MD  20771   |\n -------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"A path is laid one stone at a time\" -- The Giant\n","639":"From: pes@hutcs.cs.hut.fi (Pekka Siltanen)\nSubject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves\nNntp-Posting-Host: hutcs.cs.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.234409.18303@kpc.com> jbulf@balsa.Berkeley.EDU (Jeff Bulf) writes:\n>In article <ia522B1w165w@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl>, ferdinan@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl (Ferdinand Oeinck) writes:\n>|> I'm looking for any information on detecting and\/or calculating a double\n>|> point and\/or cusp in a bezier curve.\n>|> \n>|> An algorithm, literature reference or mail about this is very appreciated,\n>\n>There was a very useful article in one of the 1989 issues of\n>Transactions On Graphics. I believe Maureen Stone was one of\n>the authors. Sorry not to be more specific. I don't have the\n>reference here with me.\n\n\nStone, DeRose: Geometric characterization of parametric cubic curves.\nACM Trans. Graphics 8 (3) (1989) 147 - 163.\n\n\nManocha, Canny: Detecting cusps and inflection points in curves.\nComputer aided geometric design 9 (1992) 1-24.\n\nPekka Siltanen\n\n\n\n\n\n","640":"From: dwestner@cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Dominik Westner)\nSubject: need a viewer for gl files\nOrganization: Maths & C.S. Dept., Dundee University, Scotland, UK\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cardhu.mcs.dundee.ac.uk\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nHi, \n\nthe subject says it all. Is there a PD viewer for gl files (for X)?\n\nThanks\n\n\nDominik\n\n\n","641":"From: DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu\nSubject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test\nOrganization: SouthWest Mo State Univ\nLines: 32\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vma.smsu.edu\nX-Newsreader: NNR\/VM S_1.3.2\n\n>>In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:\n>>>In article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:\n>>>> Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower\n>>>> the cost and definitely make them safer to use.\n>>>\n>>>  Yes.\n>>>\n>>>> I don't think we want to start using these criterion to determine\n>>>> legality.\n>>>\n>>>  Why not?\n>>\n>>Where do they get these people?!  I really don't want to waste time in\n>>here to do battle about the legalization of drugs.  If you really want to, we\n>>can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is!\n \nYou think that you all have it bad....here at good ol' Southwest Missouri\nState U., we have 2 parties running for student body president.  There's the\ntoken sorority\/fraternity faces, and then there's the president and vice\npresident of NORML.  They campaigned by handing out condoms and listing\ntheir qualifications as,\"I listen really well.\"  It makes me sick to have\na party established on many of the things that are ruining this country like\nthey are.  I think I'll run next year.:(\n \n      Darin J Keener, dak988s@vma.smsu.edu\n      PC-the idea that catering to splinter groups is the way to go.\n \n \n \n \n \n \n","642":"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 75\n\nIn article <C5K5LC.CyF@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (La\nwrence C. Foard) writes:\n>In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n>>\n>>\n>>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:\n>>\n>>    Male sex survey: Gay activity low\n>>\n>>    A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough\n>>    examination of American men's sexual practices published since\n>>    the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2\n>>    percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and\n>>    1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.\n>>\n>>    The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday\n>>    by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than\n>>    the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional\n>>    wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report.\n>\n>1) So what?\n\nSo there are less gays, then the gays claim.\n>\n>2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers\n>   gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of\n>   us then this is an event unprecidented in history...\n>\n\nDream on.  Abortion and African-American Civil rights rallies don't even bring\nin half of that.\n\n>>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.\n>>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.\n>\n>Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners....\n>\n\nI was wondering why I wasn't getting laid.\n\n>>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,\n>>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that\n>>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general\n>>male population.\n>\n>And what did this study show for number of sexual contacts for those\n>who said they where homosexual? Or is that number to inconvient for\n>you....\n>\n\nIf it's more, then who cares?\n\n>>It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for\n>>straight men vs. gay\/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically\n>>how much more promiscuous gay\/bi men are.\n>\n>Fuck off\n>\n\nActually, I bet you more gay\/bi men are as not as promiscuous as gay men, \nbecause more of them could have the \"option\" of living a straight life, and \nwith social pressures, probably would at least try.\n\n>--\n>------          Join the Pythagorean Reform Church!               .\n>\\    \/        Repent of your evil irrational numbers             . .\n> \\  \/   and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart!        . . .\n>  \\\/   Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568  . . . .\n>\n\nDid you know that is is a fact that homosexuality was comparatively high in \nHitler's storm troopers (SA) before he came to power.  I wonder if they got to \nput the triangles on themselves......\n\nRyan\n","643":"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602\/621-9615)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93   God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 66\n\nBrian Kendig writes:\n\n>  Lev 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given\n>  it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is\n>  the blood that makes atonement for the soul.\n>\n>The Old Testament was very big on the \"eye for an eye\" business.  It\n>makes sense that Leviticus would support physical injury to \"repay\"\n>moral wrongdoing.\n\nBrian K., guess what?  You missed the point.  On a scale from cold to\nhot, you are at 0 degrees Kelvin.\n\n>I know about sanctification.  I've been taught all about it in Sunday\n>school, catechism class, and theology classes.  But even after all\n>that, I still can't accept it.  Maybe I'm still not understanding it,\n>or maybe I'm just understanding it all too well.\n\nThen as you understand it, what is it?\n\n>From the bottom of my heart I know that the punishment of an innocent\n>man is wrong.\n\nYes.  I agree with that.  But what does that have to do with Jesus?\nPunishment you say?  Jesus did not regard his death as punishment. \n\n>I've tried repeatedly over the course of several years\n>to accept it, but I just can't. \n\nGood.  I wouldn't either--not the way you understand it.  \n\n>If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing,\n>then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me.\n>Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments\n>before, and they just don't convince me.\n\nAsk Jesus himself.  He himself said why in John 12:23-32.  It\nisn't a mystery to anyone and there certainly is no need for\na persuasive argument.   Read Jesus's own reply to your\nquestion.\n\nJesus gives more reasons in John 16:7.  But one obvious reason\nwhy Jesus died, (and as with everything else, it has nothing do with\nhis punishment) was that he could rise to life again--so that\nwe would \"stop doubting and believe\" (John 21:27).  The fact\nthat Jesus rose from the dead is my hope that I too will rise\nfrom the dead.  It is an obvious point.  Do not overlook it.\nWithout this obvious point, I would have no hope\nand my faith would be vanity.\n\nWhy did Jesus suffer in his death?  Again, ask Jesus.  Jesus\nsays why in John 15:18-25.   That's no mystery either.  \"The\nworld hates him without reason.\"  It is a direct proclamation\nof how far we humans botch things up and thus, how much we\nneed a Saviour.\n\nAnd why can't you, Brian K., accept this?  How can you?  \"The\nworld cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows\nhim.\"  (John 14:17).   The animosity and the lack of knowledge\nthat comes out in your twistings of Robert's daily verses is\nvery convincing testimony of the truth of John 14:17 and 16:25.\nI pray and hope that I do blurt out such animosity and lack of\nknowledge. I am not perfect either.  But regardless of that, I thank\nGod that Jesus revealed himself to me, without whom I'd also be\nbumbling about blindly though arrogantly slandering the very\nPerson who created me and who loves me.\n","644":"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 159\n\n>In article <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu \n (Brad Hernlem) writes:\n>|> \n>|> In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu \n    (Tim Clock) writes:\n>|> \n>|> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, \n>|> Israel should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with \n>|> attacking another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the \n>|> other respects innocent lives?\n\n> Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are \n> using civilians for cover, \n\n\"Assuming\"? Also: come on, Brad. If we are going to get anywhere in \nthis (or any) discussion, it doesn't help to bring up elements I never \naddressed, *nor commented on in any way*. I made no comment on who is \n\"right\" or who is \"wrong\", only that civilians ARE being used as cover \nand that, having been placed \"in between\" the Israelis and the guerillas,\nthey *will* be injured as both parties continue their fight.\n \n\t[The *purpose* of an army's use of military uniforms \n\tis *to set its members apart* from the civilians so that \n\tcivilians will not be thought of by the other side as\n\t\"combatants\". So, what do you think is the \"meaning behind\", \n\tthe intention and the effect when an \"army\" purposely \n\t*does not were uniforms but goes out of its way to *look \n\tlike civilians'? *They are judging that the benefit they will \n\treceive from this \"cover\" is more important that the harm\n\tthat will come to civilians.*\n\nThis is a comment on the Israeli experience and is saying\nthat the guerillas *do* have some responsibility in putting civilians\nin \"the middle\" of this fight. By putting on uniforms and living apart\nfrom civilians (barracks, etc.), the guerillas would significantly lower\nthe risk to civilians.\n\n\tBut if the guerillas do this aren't *they* putting themselves\n\tat greater risk? Absolutely, they ask themselves \"why set \n\tourselves apart (by wearing uniforms) when there is a ready-made \n\tcover for us (civilians)? That makes sense from their point of \n\tview, BUT when this cover is used, the guerillas should accept \n\tsome of the responsibility for subsequent harm to civilians.\n\n> If the buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why\n> is it further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why \n> not just kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there \n> is more to the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... \n> \"GETTING BACK\"...\"GETTING EVEN\". It doesn't make sense to shell the \n> villages. The least it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli \n> government for the lives of civilians.\n\nI agree with you here. I have always thought that Israel's bombing\nsortees and bombing policy is stupid, thoughtless, inhumane AND\nineffective. BUT, there is no reason that Israel should passive wait \nuntil attackers chose to act; there is every reason to believe that\n\"taking the fight *to* the enemy\" will do more to stop attacks. \n\nAs I said previously, Israel spent several decades \"sitting passively\"\non its side of a border and only acting to stop these attacks *after*\nthe attackers had entered Israeli territory. It didn't work very well.\nThe \"host\" Arab state did little\/nothing to try and stop these attacks \nfrom its side of the border with Israel so the number of attacks\nwere considerably higher, as was their physical and psychological impact \non the civilians caught in their path.  \n>\n>|> What?So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states \n>|> can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will\n>|> only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the \n>|> responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their \n>|> soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some \"guaratees\"), there is no way\n>|> Israel is going to accept their \"word\"- not with their past attitude of \n>|> tolerance towards \"anti-Israel guerillas in-residence\".\n>|> \n> If Israel is not willing to accept the \"word\" of others then, IMHO, it has\n> no business wasting others' time coming to the peace talks. \n\nThis is just another \"selectively applied\" statement.\n \nThe reason for this drawn-out impasse between Ababs\/Palestinians and Israelis\nis that NEITHER side is willing to accept the Word of the other. By your\ncriteria *everyone* should stay away from the negotiations.\n\nThat is precisely why the Palestinians (in their recent PISGA proposal for \nthe \"interim\" period after negotiations and leading up to full autonomy) are\ndemanding conditions that essentially define \"autonomy\" already. They DO\nNOT trust that Israel will \"follow through\" the entire process and allow\nPalestinians to reach full autonomy. \n\nDo you understand and accept this viewpoint by the Palestinians? \nIf you do, then why should Israel's view of Arabs\/Palestinians \nbe any different? Why should they trust the Arab\/Palestinians' words?\nSince they don't, they are VERY reluctant to give up \"tangible assets \n(land, control of areas) in exchange for \"words\". For this reason,\nthey are also concerned about the sorts of \"guarantees\" they will have \nthat the Arabs WILL follow through on their part of any agreement reached.\n>\n>But don't you see that the same statement can be made both ways?\n>If Lebanon was interested in peace then it should accept the word\n>of Israel that the attacks were the cause for war and disarming the\n>Hizbollah will remove the cause for its continued occupancy.  \n\nAbsolutely, so are the Arabs\/Palestinians asking FIRST for the\nIsraelis \"word\" in relation to any agreement? NO, what is being\ndemanded FIRST is LAND. When the issue is LAND, and one party\nfinally gets HOLD of this \"land\", what the \"other party\" does\nis totally irrelevent. If I NOW have possession of this land,\nyour words have absolutely no power; whether Israel chooses to\nkeeps its word does NOT get the land back.\n\n>Afterall, Israel has already staged two parts of the withdrawal from \n>areas it occupied in Lebanon during SLG.\n>\n> Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been\n> disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does\n> not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up\n> Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. \n\nWhile the \"major armaments\" (those allowing people to wage \"civil wars\")\nhave been removed, the weapons needed to cross-border attacks still\nremain to some extent. Rocket attacks still continue, and \"commando\"\nraids only require a few easily concealed weapons and a refined disregard\nfor human life (yours of that of others). Such attacks also continue.\n\n> Of course, if Israel would withdraw from Lebanon\n> and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn't\n> make the Lebanese so mad as to do that.\n\nBat guano. The situation you call for existed in the 1970s and attacks\nwere commonplace.\n\n>Furthermore, with Hezbollah subsequently disarmed, it would not be possible.\n\nThere is NO WAY these groups can be effectively \"disarmed\" UNLESS the state\nis as authoritarian is Syria's. The only other way is for Lebanon to take\nit upon itself to constantly patrol the entire border with Israel, essentially\nmirroring Israel's border secirity on its side. It HAS TO PROVE TO ISREAL that\nit is this committed to protecting Israel from attack from Lebanese territory.\n>\n>|> Once Syria leaves who is to say that Lebanon will be able to retain \n>|> control? If Syria stays thay may be even more dangerous for Israel.\n>|> \n> Tim, when is the last time that you recall any trouble on the Syrian border?\n> Not lately, eh?\n\nThat's what I said, ok? But, doesn't that mean that Syria has to \"take over\"\nLebanon? I don't think Israel or Lebanon would like that.\n> \nWhat both \"sides\" need is to receive something \"tangible\". The Arabs\/\nPalestinians are looking for \"land\" and demanding that they receive it\nprior to giving anything to Israel. Israel has two problems: 1) if it\ngives up real *land* it IS exposing itself to a changed geostrategic\nsituation (and that change doesn't help Israel's position), and 2) WHEN\nit gives up this land IT NEEDS to receive something in return to\ncompensate for the increased risks\n\nTim\n\n\n","645":"From: patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer)\nSubject: 68040 Specs.\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 18\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\n\nI'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following:\n(if you only know one, that's fine)\n1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium)\n2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc...\n\nI'm interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever),\ncosts, bus info, register info.  All the technical info.\n\nI am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people.\n \n:)  Thanks for any info you can give.\n\nThanks.\n-- \n-Lazer (Patrick Delahanty)    |WARNING!: MST3K & Star Trek fan, Macintosh user,\nInterNet: patrickd@wpi.wpi.edu|          and Co-sysop of L\/A Blues BBS!\n          lazer@lablues.UUCP  | Call L\/A Blues BBS (207-777-3465 or 777-7782)\n    * MACINTOSH USER *        | for Macintosh & MS-DOS files & *FREE USENET*!\n","646":"From: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)\nSubject: Re: Frequent nosebleeds\nReply-To: bebmza@sru001.chvpkh.chevron.com (Beverly M. Zalan)\nOrganization: chevron\nLines: 24\nX-Newsreader: InterCon TCP\/Connect II 1.1\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.195202.28921@freenet.carleton.ca>, \nab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes:\n\n> \n> \n> I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic \n> predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). \n> Fortunately, each nosebleed is of short duration. \n> \n> Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger \n> brothers each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their \n> nosebleeds soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin \n> that is supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, \n> or other techniques. \n> -- \n\n\nMy 6 year son is so plagued.  Lots of vaseline up his nose each night seems \nto keep it under control.  But let him get bopped there, and he'll recur for \ndays!  Also allergies, colds, dry air all seem to contribute.  But again, the \nvaseline, or A&D ointment, or neosporin all seem to keep them from recurring.\n\n\nBev Zalan\n","647":"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: An Anecdote about Islam\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 117\n\nIn article <16BB112949.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:\n>In article <115287@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n\n \n>>>>>A brutal system filtered through \"leniency\" is not lenient.\n\n\n>>>>Huh?\n\n\n>>>How do you rate public floggings or floggings at all? Chopping off the\n>>>hands, heads, or other body  parts? What about stoning?\n\n\n>>I don't have a problem with floggings, particularly, when the offenders\n>>have been given a chance to change their behavior before floggings are\n>>given. I do have a problem with maiming in general, by whatever means.\n>>In my opinion no-one who has not maimed another should be maimed. In\n>>the case of rape the victim _is_ maimed, physically and emotionally,\n>>so I wouldn't have a problem with maiming rapists. Obviously I wouldn't\n>>have a problem with maiming murderers either.\n\n\n>May I ask if you had the same opinion before you became a Muslim?\n\n\n\nSure. Yes, I did. You see I don't think that rape and murder should\nbe dealt with lightly. You, being so interested in leniency for\nleniency's sake, apparently think that people should simply be\ntold the \"did a _bad_ thing.\"\n\n\n>And what about the simple chance of misjudgements?\n\nMisjudgments should be avoided as much as possible.\nI suspect that it's pretty unlikely that, given my requirement\nof repeated offenses, that misjudgments are very likely.\n\n \n>>>>>>\"Orient\" is not a place having a single character. Your ignorance\n>>>>>>exposes itself nicely here.\n\n\n>>>>>Read carefully, I have not said all the Orient shows primitive machism.\n\n\n>>>>Well then, why not use more specific words than \"Orient\"? Probably\n>>>>because in your mind there is no need to (it's all the same).\n\n\n>>>Because it contains sufficient information. While more detail is possible,\n>>>it is not necessary.\n\n\n>>And Europe shows civilized bullshit. This is bullshit. Time to put out\n>>or shut up. You've substantiated nothing and are blabbering on like\n>>\"Islamists\" who talk about the West as the \"Great Satan.\" You're both\n>>guilty of stupidities.\n\n\n>I just love to compare such lines to the common plea of your fellow believers\n>not to call each others names. In this case, to substantiate it: The Quran\n>allows that one beATs one's wife into submission. \n\n\nReally? Care to give chapter and verse? We could discuss it.\n\n\n>Primitive Machism refers to\n>that. (I have misspelt that before, my fault).\n \n\nAgain, not all of the Orient follows the Qur'an. So you'll have to do\nbetter than that.\n\n\nSorry, you haven't \"put out\" enough.\n\n \n>>>Islam expresses extramarital sex. Extramarital sex is a subset of sex. It is\n>>>suppressedin Islam. That marial sexis  allowed or encouraged in Islam, as\n>>>it is in many branches of Christianity, too, misses the point.\n\n>>>Read the part about the urge for sex again. Religions that run around telling\n>>>people how to have sex are not my piece of cake for two reasons: Suppressing\n>>>a strong urge needs  strong measures, and it is not their business anyway.\n\n>>Believe what you wish. I thought you were trying to make an argument.\n>>All I am reading are opinions.\n \n>It is an argument. That you doubt the validity of the premises does not change\n>it. If you want to criticize it, do so. Time for you to put up or shut up.\n\n\n\nThis is an argument for why _you_ don't like religions that suppress\nsex. A such it's an irrelevant argument.\n\nIf you'd like to generalize it to an objective statement then \nfine. My response is then: you have given no reason for your statement\nthat sex is not the business of religion (one of your \"arguments\").\n\nThe urge for sex in adolescents is not so strong that any overly strong\nmeasures are required to suppress it. If the urge to have sex is so\nstrong in an adult then that adult can make a commensurate effort to\nfind a marriage partner.\n\n\n\nGregg\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","648":"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 18\n\nKent Sandvik (sandvik@newton.apple.com) wrote:\n: In article <11838@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert\n: Beauchaine) wrote:\n: >   Someone spank me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lord, Liar, or Lunatic\n: >   originate with C.S. Lewis?  Who's this Campollo fellow anyway?\n\n: I do think so, and isn't there a clear connection with the \"I do\n: believe, because it is absurd\" notion by one of the original\n: Christians (Origen?).\n\nThere is a similar statement attributed to Anselm, \"I believe so that\nI may understand\". In both cases reason is somewhat less exalted than\nanyone posting here could accept, which means that neither statement\ncan be properly analysed in this venue.\n\nBill\n\n\n","649":"From: parys@ccsua.ctstateu.edu\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nKeywords: Success\nLines: 140\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu\nOrganization: Yale University, Department of Computer Science, New Haven, CT\n\nI told some friends of mine two weeks ago that Koresh was dead.  The FBI and\nthe BATF could not let a man like that live.  He was a testimonial to their\nstupidity and lies.    \n\nNow before everyone gets crazy with me, let me say that Koresh was crazy as \na bed bug, but out government was crazier...and they lied to us.\n\nThey told us compound had been under survaillance for quite some time.  Yet, \nwhoever was watching the place failed to see that Koresh went jogging and into\ntown on a regular basis.  Everyone in the area claimed to have seen him and \nwondered why they didn't pick him up then.  There are two possible answers.\nFirst, they didn't see him.  What kind of survaillance is that?  Second, they\ndidn't care.  They wanted a confrontation.  They wanted publicity and they got\nit.\n\nAfter the first battle, they told us that they did not know he knew they were\ncoming.  They also said it would have been foolish to go in knowing that.\nWell, we know now that they intercepted the informants call and went in anyway.\n\nDid they explore all of the possibilities for ending the seige?  According to\nthem they did, but according to the Hartford Courant, the woman that raised\nKoresh (His Grandmother) was not allowed to go in and see him.                 \n The FBI agent who she spoke with was Bob Ricks and according to the paper he\nsaid:\n\n\"A lot of people think if you just talk to them logically they will come out.\nHis grandmother raised Vernon Howell; (Koresh's Real name)  she didn't raise\nDavid Koresh.\"\n\nSomeone who raises you and loves you does not speak to you strickly on a\nlogical level.  There is also an emotional level on which they can reach you.\n\nHere's another one.  All during this operation the FBI has been claiming that\nthey feared a mass suicide and that is one of the reasons that something must\nbe done.  Now they claim they never thought he would do it?\n\nI knew they were going to do something when they started talking about how\nmuch money this was costing.  That was the start of the \"Justification\" part\npart of the plan.  That's when I knew it would come soon.\n\nBut, back to the plan.  It is considered \"Cruel and Unusal Punishment\" to\nexecute criminals in the minds of many people, but look at what's acceptable.\n\nThey knew the parents (adults) had gas masks.  They did not know, or were not\nsure, if the children had them.  So the plan was to pour the gas into the \ncompound.  The mothers, seeing what the gas was doing to their children were\nsupposed to run out and that would only leave the men to deal with.\n\nI spent two years in the army and like everyother veteran I went through CBR\n(Chemical, Biological Radiological) warfare training.  Part of that training\nis going into a room filled with the same stuff that the children were\nsubjected to.  To make the stuff really interesting the gas also has a chemical \nagent that irritates the skin.  You think its on fire.\n\nI have no doubts the children would become hysterical.  Its not the kind of\nthing you never want to do again.  This was the plan, the final solution.\n\nWe waited 444 days for our hostages to come home from Iran.  We gave these\npeople 51 days.  \n\nI stated on several occasions that there was absolutely nothing in this whole\nthing that the government could point to as a success.  Well, FBI agent Ricks\nchanged my mind.  Again a newclip from the Hartford Courant:\n\n\"And while expressing regret at the loss of life, he suggested that the\noperation had been at least a modified success because not a single federal\nshot had been fired and not a single federal agent had been hurt.\"\n\nIt took 17 dead children to get us that new definition of success.\n\nOne more thought.  The government claimed that they believed he had automatic\nweapons on the premises. \n                                                      \n        HE HAD A LICENSE FOR THE 50 CALIBER MACHINE GUN!\n\nTHEY KNEW DAMN WELL HE HAD ONE. THEY ALSO KNEW HE HAD IT LEGALLY!\n\nStill, without the element of surprise they sent in agents to get him.\nFor all of this my President takes full responsibility.  What a guy!\nI hope he gets it.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIn article <exuptr.1431.0@exu.ericsson.se>, exuptr@exu.ericsson.se (Patrick Taylor, The Sounding Board) writes:\n> In article <11974@prijat.cs.uofs.edu> bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:\n> \n>>Before you go absolving the BATF & FBI of all blame in this incident, you should\n>>probably be aware of two important facts.\n>>1.  There is no such thing as non-toxic tear gas.  Tear gas is non-breathable\n>>    remaining in it's presence will cause nausea and vomiting, followed eventually\n>>    by siezures and death.  Did the FBI know the physical health of all the people\n>>    they exposed??  Any potential heart problems among the B-D's??\n> \n> No doubt it is dangerous stuff when concentrated.\n> \n>>2.  Have you ever seen a tear gas canister??  Tear gas is produced by burning a\n>>    chemical in the can.  The fumes produced are tear gas.  The canister has a \n>>    warning printed on the side of it.  \"Contact with flamable material can result\n>>    in fire.\"  Now, how many of these canisters did they throw inside a building \n>>    they admited was a fire-trap??\n> \n> None.  They used non-incindiary methods, which means they produced the gas \n> outside the building and pumped it in via the tanks.\n> \n> ---\n>  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>  ---------Visit the SOUNDING BOARD BBS +1 214 596 2915, a Wildcat! BBS-------\n> \n>  ObDis: All opinions are specifically disclaimed. No one is responsible.\n> \n>     Patrick Taylor, Ericsson Network Systems  THX-1138\n>     exuptr@exu.ericsson.se                    \"Don't let the .se fool you\"\n","650":"From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata)\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nReply-To: <news@opl.com>\nOrganization: HFSI\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.43.1993.1373@geneva.rutgers.edu> parkin@Eng.Sun.COM writes:\n\n>desperately wanted the Jewish people to accept him as the Messiah.  If\n>the crucification was the will of God how could Jesus pray that this\n>cup pass from him.  Was this out of weakness.  NEVER.  Many men and\n>women have given their lives for their country or other noble causes.\n>Is Jesus less than these.  No he is not.  He knew the crucification\n>was NOT the will of GOD.  God's will was that the Jewish people accept\n>Jesus as the Messiah and that the kingdom of Heaven be established on\n>the earth with Jesus as it's head. (Just like the Jewish people\n>expected). If this had happened 2000 years ago can you imagine what\n\t.\n\t.\n\t.\n\nWhy do you assume that Jesus's plea to His Father \"to let this cup\npass from Him\", was merely a plea to escape death?  When I look at\nJesus in the garden, I see a Man-God, who all His life had had the\npresense of His Father with Him.  As a result, He knew every\ndetail about His death long before the Agony in the Garden.  But\nas that hour approached, He felt abandoned by His Father, His\npresense diminishing with each passing minute.  In addition, it\nwas brought more and more to Jesus's attention (the betrayal of\nJudas was probably a big impact) that His suffering would be to no\navail for many people, especially those who would reject Him, not\nonly then but in the future.  I truly believe that the majority of\nJesus's suffering was mental and spiritual, while the physical\nportion was only the tip of the iceburg.\n\nBTW, we know from John's account that Jesus *shunned* becomming an earthly\nking.  From John:\n\nJOH 6:14    After the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus did, they\n            began to say, \"Surely this is the Prophet who is to come into the\n            world.\"\nJOH 6:15    Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by\n            force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself.\n\nThis does not seem like a man who would regret not becoming an\nearthly king.  No, Jesus knew His mission was to redeem all (Jew &\nGentile) people and establish His kingdom in the hearts of those\nwho would believe.  This was utterly mistaken, much to Jesus's\ndismay, as an aspiration to some earthly kingdom.  But He knew\nwhat His Father's will was and followed it obediently even in the\ndarkness of His Passion.\n\n-- \nJohn G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet:  ata@hfsi.com\nHFS, Inc.\t\t  VA20     |     UUCP:  uunet!hfsi!ata\n7900 Westpark Drive\t MS:601\t   |    Voice:\t(703) 827-6810\nMcLean, VA  22102\t           |      FAX:\t(703) 827-3729\n","651":"From: ekalenda@netcom.com (Edward J Kalenda)\nSubject: Re: overlapped window without a title bar\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 18\n\nFrom article <1rc07h$ern@olivea.ATC.Olivetti.Com>, by manu@oas.olivetti.com (Manu Das):\n> \n> I have a overlapped window(say V) which has few child windows (a,b,c, etc)\n> The window shows up with all it's children fine. Now, I create another \n> child(t) with a WS_THICKFRAME style and placed on top of one or more of\n> it's siblings. Style WS_THICKFRAME is used so that I can resize it. How do\n> I make sure that the child 't' will always be at the top of it's siblings.\n> I used SetWindowPos() and BringWindowToTop() without success. What's happening\n> is that while I am resizing 't' it shows up but as soon as I let go, it goes\n> behild it's siblings.\n\nThe window is probobly on top but the lower windows are drawing over it.\nTry using WS_CLIPSIBLING to keep the lower siblings from drawing on the\ntop sibling's space.\n-- \n\nEd\nekalenda@netcom.COM\n","652":"From: edhall@rand.org (Ed Hall)\nSubject: Re: Building a UV flashlight\nOrganization: RAND\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: ives.rand.org\n\nIn article <C5r6Lz.n25@panix.com> jhawk@panix.com (John Hawkinson) writes:\n>One other thing: a friend of mine mentioned something about near-UV\n>light being cheaper to get at than actual UV light. Does anyone\n>know what he was referring to?\n\nI don't want to get into a semantic argument, but contrary to some other\npostings \"near UV light\" \/is\/ \"actual UV light.\"  The \"near\" means that\nit is close to the visible spectrum (i.e. of relatively long wavelength),\nnot that it is \"nearly UV.\"  (I'm sure you can figure out now just what\n\"far UV\" is.)\n\nRegular incandenscent flashlight bulbs emit tiny amounts of UV in the\nnear end of the spectrum, such that a filter can be used to remove the\nvisible light and thus create a weak UV source.  Stronger sources are\ngoing to require gas (probably mercury vapor) discharge tubes (such as\nfluorescent tubes with UV phosphor).  Be careful, though; strong UV\nsources can cause physiological damage, especially to the eyes.  The\nshorter wavelengths are the most dangerous.\n\nIt wouldn't project a beam like a flashlight, but replacing the tubes\nin a portable fluorescent lantern with UV tubes would be a relatively\ncheap way to create a portable source.  It would be bright enough to\nbe useful, but not dangerously so.\n\n\t\t-Ed Hall\n\t\tedhall@rand.org\n","653":"From: warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven)\nSubject: Mel Hall\nOrganization: CS\nLines: 9\n\n\nHas anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season?  I'd heard he wasn't\nwith the Yankees any more.  What happened to him?\n\n\t\t\t\tDoug Dolven\n-- \nDoug Dolven\nwarped@cs.montana.edu\ngdd7548@trex.oscs.montana.edu\n","654":"From: pbenson@ecst.csuchico.edu (Paul A. Benson)\nSubject: CD-ROM Indexes available\nOrganization: California State University, Chico\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu\n\nThe file and contents listings for:\n\nKnowledge Media Resource Library: Graphics 1\nKnowledge Media Resource Library: Audio 1\n\nare now available for anonymous FTP from cdrom.com\n","655":"From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)\nSubject: *** NeXTstation 8\/105 For Sale ***\nArticle-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.013611.3796\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 32\nNntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n\n\n        NeXTstation 25MHz 68040 8\/105\n                     Moto 56001 DSP \n        Megapixel (perfect - no dimming or shaking)\n\n        keyboard\/mouse (of course :)\n\n        2.1 installed\n        2.1 docs\n            Network and System Administration\n            User's Reference\n            Applications\n\n        The NeXT Book, by Bruce Webster (New Copy)\n\n        Black NeXTconnection modem cable\n        30 HD disks (10 still in unwrapped box, others for backing up\n            apps)\n\nI NEED to sell this pronto to get a car (my engine locked up)!\nMachine runs great... only used in my house.  Has been covered when\nnot in use on the days I wasn't around.\n\n$2,300 INCLUDING Federal Express Second Day Air, OR best offer, COD to\nyour doorstep (within continental US)!!  I need to sell this NOW, so\nif you don't agree with the price, make an offer, but within reason.\n;)\n\nThanks,\nJT\n\n(please no letters asking me to donate for a tax break)\n","656":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 191\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>Much though it might be fun to debate capital punishment itself,\n>this is probably the wrong group for it.  The only relevance here\n>is that you don't seem to be able to tell us what capital punishment\n>actually is, and when it is murder.  That is, when you tell us murder\n>is wrong, you are using a term you have not yet defined.\n\nWell, I've said that when an innocent person has been executed, this is\nobjectively a murder.  However, who is at blame is another question.\nIt seems that the entire society that sanctions any sorts of executions--\nrealizing the risks--is to blame.\n\n>There is a *probability* of \n>killing an innocent person by shooting at random into the air, and \n>there is a *probability* of killing an innocent person when the\n>state administers a system of capital punishment.  So when you do\n>either, you know that they actions you are taking will sooner or \n>later result in the killing of an innocent person.\n\nYes, but there is also a probablity that you will kill someone doing\nany raondom activity.  Presumably, you had not isolated yourself totally\nfrom the rest of society because of this.\n\n>>And, driving will kill people, as will airlines, but people continue to do\n>>both.\n>Driving and flying are not punishments inflicted on unwilling\n>prisoners by Courts.  They are risks that we take upon ourselves\n>willingly.\n\nAnd I argue that our law system is a similar risk.  Perhaps an innocent\nperson will be punished someday, but we work to prevent this.  In fact,\nmany criminals go free as a result of our trying to prevent punishment\nof innocents.\n\n>If our own driving kills someone else, then sure, there is a moral\n>issue.  I know at least one person who was involved in a fatal\n>accident, and they felt vey guilty afterwards.\n\nBut, such accidents are to be totally expected, given the numner of vehicals\non the road.  Again, the blame is on society.\n\n>>No I'm not.  This is what you said.  You were saying that if there were such\n>>a false witness that resulted in an innocent person being convicted and killed\n>>, it would still be the fault of the state, since it did the actual killing.\n>No, I just commented that the state does the killing.  It does not\n>depend on there being false witnesses.  How could it?  The state\n>does the killing even in the case of sincere mistakes\n\nYes, but the state is not at fault in such a case.  The state can only do\nso much to prevent false witnesses.\n\n>>It is possible.  So, what are you trying to say, that capital punishment\n>>is always murder because of the possibilty of human error invalidating\n>>the system?\n>I'm saying capital punishment is murder, period.  Not because of\n>this that and the other, but because it involves taking human life.\n>That's *my* definition of murder.  I make no appeals to dictionaries\n>or to \"objective\" morals.\n\nOkay, so this is what you call murder.  But, the question is whether or not\nall such \"murders\" are wrong.  Are you saying that all taking of human life\nis wrong, no matter what the circumstances?\n\n>If we, as a society, decide to murder someone, then we should say\n>that, and lists our reasons for doing so, and live with the moral\n>consequences.  We should not play word games and pretend that\n>murder isn't murder.  And that's *my* opinion about how society\n>ought to be run.\n\nBut, this is basically how it works.  Society accepts the risk that an\ninnocent person will be murdered by execution.  And, every member of\nsociety shares this blame.  And, most people's definitions of murder\ninclude some sort of malicious intent, which is not involved in an\nexecution, is it?\n\n>>But, we were trying to discuss an objective moral system, or at least its\n>>possibilty.  What ramifications does your personal system have on an\n>>objective one?\n>No, we were not discussing an objective moral system.  I was showing\n>you that you didn't have one, because, for one thing, you were incapable\n>of defining the terms in it, for example, \"murder\".\n\nMurder violates the golden rule.  Executions do not, because by allowing\nit at all, society implicitly accepts the consequences no matter who the\ninnocent victim is.\n\n>>We're not talking about reading minds, we are just talking about knowing the\n>>truth.  Yes, we can never be absolutely certain that we have the truth, but\n>>the court systems work on a principle of knowing the \"truth\" \"beyond a\n>>reasonable doubt.\"  \n>Sorry, but you simply are not quoting yourself accurately.  Here\n>is what you said:\n>\t\"And, since we are looking totally objectively at this case,\n>\tthen we know what people are thinking when they are voting to\n>\texecute the person or not.  If the intent is malicious and \n>\tunfair, then the execution would be murder.\"\n>What you are doing now is to slide into another claim, which is\n>quite different.  The jury being *persuaded* beyond a serious\n>doubt is not the same as us knowing what is in their minds beyond\n>a serious doubt.\n\nReading the minds of the jury would certainly tell whether or not a conviction\nwas moral or not.  But, in an objective system, only the absolute truth\nmatters, and the jury system is one method to approximate such a truth.  That\nis, twelve members must be convinced of a truth.\n\n>Moreover, a jury which comes from a sufficiently prejudiced background\n>may allow itself to be persuaded beyond a serious doubt on evidence\n>that you and I would laugh at.\n\nBut then, if we read the minds of these people, we would know that the\nconviction was unfair.\n\n>>But, would it be perfectly fair if we could read minds?  If we assume that\n>>it would be fair if we knew the absolute truth, why is it so much less\n>>fair, in your opinion, if we only have a good approximation of the absolute\n>>truth?\n>It's not a question of fairness.  Your claim, which I have quoted\n>above is a claim about whether we can *know* it was fair, so as to\n>be able to distinguish capital punishnment from murder.\n\nYes, while we could objectively determine the difference (if we knew all\npossible information), we can't always determine the difference in our\nflawed system.  I think that our system is almost as good as possible,\nbut it still isn't objectively perfect.  You see, it doesn't matter if\nwe *know* it is fair or not.  Objectively, it is either fair or it is not.\n\n>Now there's a huge difference.  If we can read minds, we can know,\n>and if we cannot read minds, we can know nothing.  The difference\n>is not in degree of fairness, but in what we can know.\n\nBut what we know has no effect on an objective system.\n\n>>I think it is possible to produce a fairly objective system, if we are\n>>clear on which goals it is supposed to promote.\n>I'm not going to waste my time trying to devise a system that I am\n>pretty sure does not exist.\n\nWhy are you so sure?\n\n>I simply want people to confront reality.  *My* reality, remember.\n\nWhy is *your* reality important?\n\n>In this case, the reality is that, \"ideal theories' apart, we can\n>never know, even after the fact, about the fairness of the justice\n>system.  For every innocent person released from Death Row, there\n>may have been a dozen innocent people executed, or a hundred, or\n>none at all.  We simply don't know.\n\nBut, we can assume that the system is fairly decent, at least most likely.\nAnd, you realize that the correctness of our system says nothing about a\ntotally ideal and objective system.\n\n>Now what are we going to do?  On the one hand, we can pretend\n>that we have an 'ideal' theory, and that we can know things we can\n>never know, and the Justie System is fair, and that we can wave a \n>magic wand and make certain types of killing not murder, and go \n>on our way.\n\nWell, we can have an ideal system, but the working system can not be ideal.\nWe can only hope to create a system that is as close an approximation to\nthe ideal system as possible.\n\n>On the other hand, we can recognize that all Justice has a small\n>- we hope - probability of punishing the innocent, and that in the\n>end we do bear moral responsibility even for the probabilistic\n>consequences of the systems we set up, and then say, \"Well, here\n>we go, murdering again.\"  Maybe some of us will even say \"Gee, I\n>wonder if all this is strictly necessary?\"\n\nYes, we all bear the responsibility.  Most people seem willing to do this.\n\n>I think that the second is preferable in that if requires people\n>to face the moral consequences of what we do as a society, instead\n>of sheltering ourselves from them by magic ceremonies and word \n>games.\n\nWe must realize the consequences of all our actions.  Why do you keep\nseparating the justice system from the pack?\n\n>And lest I forget, I also don't think we have an objective moral\n>system, and I believe I only have to take that idea seriously\n>when someone presents evidence of it.\n\nI don't think our country has an objective system, but I think such an\nobjective system can exist, in theory.  Without omniscience, an objective\nsystem is not possible in practice.\n\nkeith\n","657":"From: bear@kestrel.fsl.noaa.gov (Bear Giles)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nOrganization: Forecast Systems Labs, NOAA, Boulder, CO USA\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes:\n>\n>Just a question. \n>As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee\n>intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes\n>with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be  a basic condition\n>for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)\n\nThat sounds like an old _Dragnet_ episode.\n\n  \"Joe and I went to the apartment of Prime Suspect.  Nobody answered the\n  door, but his landlord gave us permission to search the apartment.\"\n\nPerhaps that worked in California in the 60's, but as I understand the\nlaw landlords do _not_ have authority to grant permission to search space\nrented by a third party, provided the lease is not in default, etc.\n(I'm not even sure if they can provide the master key, when shown a search\nwarrant, since the _subject_ of the search is supposed to be notified).\n\nAt this point the question becomes: did the user \"rent\" the disk space\nher encrypted file occupies?  If she did, it _should_ fall under the same\nbody of case law that applies to apartments, storage lockers, etc.  (As\nto whether any court would recognize this fact....)  If she did not (i.e.,\nno compensation exchanged), I don't know how it would be treated -- there\ndoesn't seem to be a non-cyberspace equivalent.\n\n-- \nBear Giles\nbear@fsl.noaa.gov\n","658":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: X-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 61\n\nIn article <C5LxEw.9p0@panix.com> mpoly@panix.com (Michael S. Polymenakos) writes:\n\n> Maybe with the availability of anon servers some people are beginning to\n>speak out? \n\nI sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must \nbe righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of \nUrartus, massacred and exterminated its population and presented to \nthe world all those left from the Urartus, as the Armenian civilization.\n\nAll reliable Western historians describe how Armenians ruthlessly\nexterminated 2.5 million Muslim women, children and elderly people of \nEastern Anatolia and how they collaborated with the enemies of the \nOttoman Empire between 1914-1920.\n\nIt is unfortunately a truth that Armenians are known as collaborators\nof the Nazis during World War II and that, even today, criminal\/Nazi\nmembers of the ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF Terrorism Triangle preach and instigate\nracism, hatred, violence and terrorism among peoples. \n\nAnd x-Soviet Armenia continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following \nways:\n\n1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide\nin order to shift international public opinion away from its political\nresponsibility.\n\n2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism \nTriangle and criminal\/Nazi Armenians, attempts to call into question the \nveracity of the Turkish Genocide.\n\n3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through\nthe ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to \nsilence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests.\n\n4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet\nArmenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through\nterrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters\nof the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.\n\nUsing all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian government \nis attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from\nmaking the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.\n\nYet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian government and its terrorist\nand revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle \nof those whose closest ones were systematically exterminated by the Armenians,\nthe international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and \nconsequently a number of governments and organizations have become \nsupportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","659":"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: New break pads & exhausts after 96K km (60K mi) on '90 Maxima?\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 78\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.000601.14223@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> rkim@eecg.toronto.edu (Ryan Kim) writes:\n>\n>Hi, maybe someone can help me here...\n>I am looking to buy this 1990 Nissan Maxima GXE for CDN$14000 right now.\n\nSo its an automatic? Don't know if US spec=CDN spec. for Maximas.\n\n>The car has 96000 km (or about 60000 miles) on it.\n>A typical mileage for 1990 cars seem to be about 70000 km (or about 43K mi).\n>The seller just informed me that when he brought the car in for certification\n>he was told that the front break pads and the exhausts had to be replaced\n>to meet the legal standards.  (He said he will replace the components before\n>selling the car to me.)\n>\n>Being copmletely ignorant to the technical stuff on cars, I don't know\n>what this could mean...\n>Is 96K km about the time typical for replacing the above mentioned items?\n>Or is this an indication that the car was abused?\n\nIf it is the first set of brake pads on front, then this is fine. My car\neats a set every 15k miles or so. The fact that he is replacing the\nmuffler too is also ok.\n\n>Would other things break down or have to be replaced soon?\n\nThe mileage is fairly low - but typical fwd stuff is CV joints. Check\nthe maintenance records with the manufacturers requirements for valve\nadjustments, timing belt changes and so on.\n\nThe 60k mile service is often expensive, so make sure he has done everything.\n\n\n>The seller told me that he used the car on the highway a lot, but,\n>I don't know how to verify this...  I've seen the paint chipped away\n>in tiny dots in the front edge of the hood, though.\n>\nWell, this is one of the commonly cited methods for identifying a\ncar with highway miles. \nMight check the gas pedal wear too. Ask him how many sets of tires he\nhas been through. A highway car might have squeezed by on 2 sets,\na hard driven car 6-10 sets.\n\n\n>Although the Maxima is an excellent car and the car is very clean and\n>well kept, it's currently out of warranty\n>(a similarly priced '90 Accord with 70K km will have 2 years or 30K km\n>worth of warranty left) and I don't want to worry about paying for\n>any repair bills...\n\nWell, the Maxima should be pretty reliable - but if its out of warranty\nyou should get it checked out by someone knowledgeable first. Stuff\nfor Japanese cars can be expensive.\n\n>But, I also need a car for 5 people...  \n>\n>When will the new Maxima come out, by the way?\n\n1995 model year, I believe. \n>\n>I would very much appreciate your input in this.\n>Please reply by e-mail (preferred) or post in this newsgroup.\n\nCraig\n>Thanks!\n>\n>Ryan\n>\n>\n>\n>========\n>Ryan Kim\n>University of Toronto, EECG, Computer Graphics    rkim@eecg.toronto.edu\n>\"Do not weave between traffic cones at road works.\"\n>                                    - from the new British Highway Code\n>                                           (Toronto Star April 3, 1993)\n>\n\n\n","660":"From: joshuaf@yang.earlham.edu\nSubject: Re: TIFF -> Anything?!\nOrganization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.033843.26854@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA>, tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran) writes:\n> There is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from\n> wuarchive.  The file is in the msdos\/graphics directory and\n> is called \"grfwk61t.zip.\"  This program should od everthing\n> you need.\n> \n> -- \n> \n> TMC\n> (tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)\n\n\nTHANKS!  It did work, and it is just what I needed thanks...\n\nJoshuaf\n","661":"From: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)\nSubject: MS-Windows graphics viewer?\nKeywords: ms windows jpeg gif tiff \nLines: 31\nReply-To: ccgwt@trentu.ca (Grant Totten)\nOrganization: Trent University\n\n\nHowdy all,\n\n\tI was wondering if people could e-mail me their opinions on\nthe various graphics viewers available for MS-Windows 3.x...  I'm\nworking on a project to set up our scanner and write documentation on\nhow to use it and it would be nice to have a snazzy image viewer \nto look at (and maybe even edit?) the image you just scanned.\n\nThe file formats I'm looking for:\n\nGIF\nJPEG\nTIFF\nPCX\nwhatever other 'major' file formats there are.\n\nThanks a lot for your help\n\nGrant\n\n--\nGrant Totten, Programmer\/Analyst, Trent University, Peterborough Ontario\nGTotten@TrentU.CA            Phone: (705) 748-1653   FAX: (705) 748-1246\n========================================================================\nIn the days of old,\nWhen Knights were bold,\n\tAnd women were too cautious;\nOh, those gallant days,\nWhen women were women,\n\tAnd men were really obnoxious ...\n","662":"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)\nSubject: Re: Recommendations for a Local BUS (Cached) IDE Controller\nOrganization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario\nDistribution: usa\nNntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.074836.6819@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu writes:\n>| I would like to hear the net.wisdom and net.opinions on IDE Controllers.\n>| I would liek to get a IDE controller card for my VLB DX2 66 Motherboard.\n>| What are good options for this (preferably under $200). It MUST also work\n>| under OS\/2 and be compatible with Stacker (and other Disk Compression S\/W).\n\n>I have a Maxtor 212MB on an ISA IDE controller, although my machine is\n>DX2\/66 VLB. I has the save transfer rate of 0.647 MB\/s regardless of\n>the variations of the ISA bus speed. I tested it with speed between\n>5.5MHz and 8.33MHz. Not _any_ difference. The problem is not the\n>interface between the controller and the memory.\n>\n>My advice: Buy 4Megs of RAM, save $70 and enjoy performance.\n\nComputer: 286-25 mhz\nBus: ISA (12.5 mhz)\nDrive: Maxtor 7213A (213 mb)\n\n                                    config.sys \/ autoexec.bat\n\n                     MS DOS 5             no           WIN 3.1\n                     smartdrv.sys        cache         smartdrv.exe\n\nCORE (V 2.7)         6950 k\/sec          1390 k\/sec     1395 k\/sec\nNorton SI (V 5.0)     730 k\/sec           980 k\/sec      982 k\/sec\n\nI'd still like to here from people with VLB-IDE.\nI still want to know what VLB bus speed is used with IDE drives.\nI still want to know if some (most ?) IDE drives can handle bus speeds > 8 mhz.\n\nPS: A friend with a 286-20 and a new Maxtor 7245 (245 meg IDE) drive gets\nbetween 800 - 1000 k\/sec (can't remember exactly).  I think the bus is running\nat 8 mhz in this case.  \n","663":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.001642.9186@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:\n\n>>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back\n>>>>the lost weight does not constitute \"weight rebound\" until it\n>>>>exceeds the starting weight?  Or is this oral tradition that\n>>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers?\n>>>\n>>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987\n>>>\n>>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive\n>>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-)\n>\n>I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to\n>study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom.\n>\n\nGood story, Chuck, but it won't wash.  I have read the NY Acad Sci\none (and have it).  This AM I couldn't find any reference to\n\"weight rebound\".  I'm not saying it isn't there, but since you\ncited it, it is your responsibility to show me where it is in there.\nThere is no index.  I suspect you overstepped your knowledge base,\nas usual.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","664":"From: rjh@allegra.att.com (Robert Holt)\nSubject: Re: ALL-TIME BEST PLAYERS\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ\nLines: 78\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.162313.154828@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> jsr2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JOHN STEPHEN RANDOLPH) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr13.115313.17986@bsu-ucs>, 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes\n>:\n>>I've recently been working on project to determine the greatest\n>>players at their respective postions.  My sources are Total Baseball,\n>>James' Historical Abstract, The Ballplayers (biography), word of\n>>mouth, and my own (biased) opinions...\n>>\n>>Feel free to comment, suggest, flame (whatever)...but I tried\n>>to be as objective as possible, using statistical data not inlcuded\n>>for time\/convience's sake.  (I judged on Rel. BA, Adj OPS, Total Average,\n>>fielding range\/runs, total player rating (Total Baseball), stolen bases\n>>(for curiosity's sake), TPR\/150 g, and years played\/MVP.\n>>\n>>3B\n>> 1) Mike Schmidt\n>> 2) Ed Matthews\nOne \"t\" in \"Eddie Mathews\"!\n>> 3) George Brett\n>> 4) Wade Boggs\n>> 5) Ron Santo\n>> 6) Brooks Robinson\n>> 7) Frank Baker\n>> 8) Darrell Evans\n>> 9) Pie Traynor\n>>10) Ray Dandridge\n>>\n>How can Brooks be # 6?  I think he would at least be ahead of Ron Santo.\n>\nBecause a small advantage in fielding ability comes nowhere near\nmaking up for the large difference in hitting.  Their average\nseasons, using their combined average 656 (AB + BB) per 162 games:\n\n         Years  AB  H  R  2B 3B HR RBI TB  BB  AVG  OBP  SLG  OPS\nSanto    14.10 577 160 81 26  5 24  94 268 79 .277 .366 .464 .830\nRobinson 17.55 607 162 70 27  4 15  77 243 49 .267 .325 .401 .726\n\nFielding, we have, per 162 games at third,\n\n         Years   P    A   DP   E   PCT\nSanto    13.15  149  348  30  24  .954\nRobinson 17.72  152  350  35  15  .971\n\nEven if Robinson's extra 3 putouts, 2 assists, and 5 DPs are taken to mean\nhe was responsible for 10 more outs in the field, that doesn't make up\nfor the extra 28 outs he made at the plate, not to mention the fewer\ntotal bases.  The difference of .104 in OPS should be decreased by about\n.025 to account for Wrigley, but a .079 difference is still considerable.\nThe Thorn & Palmer ratings are\n\n           Adjusted      Adjusted    Stolen   Fielding  Total\n           Production  Batting Runs Base Runs   Runs    Rating\nSanto         123          284        -14       137      41.7\nRobinson      105           52         -5       151      19.8 (26.3)\nUsual disclaimers about T&P's FR apply, but they really shouldn't be\nway off the mark in this comparison.  At least it's better than fielding\npercentage: Carney Lansford has a .966 , 10th best all-time, but -225 FR,\ndead last of all time.  Also, since this total rating compares players\nto league average instead of replacement level, Robinson should be\nawarded an extra 6.5 or so for playing 653 more games.  He had a great\ncareer, but I would prefer Santo's plus 4 years of a replacement level 3Bman.\n\nBut I would knock Traynor off the list and replace him by Stan Hack.\nThat's a similar story, Hack's far better hitting outweighs Traynor's\nsuperior fielding.  Graig Nettles and Buddy Bell would also be better\nchoices (IMHO of course, though some recent net discussion supports\nthis point of view.)\n>\n>>CF\n>> 7) Andre Dawson\n\nShouldn't that be right field?\n\n-- \n+-----------------------+\n|  Bob Holt             |\n|  rjh@allegra.att.com  |\n+-----------------------+\n","665":"From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)\nSubject: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base\nSummary: career defensive averages at third\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 68\n\nCompiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career\nDAs for the individual players in the reports.  Stats are courtesy of\nSherri Nichols.  Players are listed in descending order.\n\nThird Basemen\n-------------\n\nName                 1988  1989  1990  1991  1992   88-92\nMitchell, Kevin      .690  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.690\nGonzales, Rene       .685  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.685\nLeius, Scott         ----  ----  ----  .653  .680   0.672\nPendleton, Terry     .692  .685  .631  .689  .634   0.667\nVentura, Robin       ----  ----  .641  .647  .677   0.657\nWallach, Tim         .728  .674  .600  .630  .665   0.657\nGruber, Kelly        .717  .657  .580  .630  .664   0.650\nPagliarulo, Mike     .631  ----  .575  .744  ----   0.649\nHarris, Lance        ----  ----  .642  .652  ----   0.648\nHowell, Jack         .656  .666  .609  ----  ----   0.647\nWilliams, Matt       ----  ----  .633  .653  .656   0.647\nCaminiti, Ken        ----  .675  .630  .653  .596   0.642\nSabo, Chris          .751  .626  .616  .613  .575   0.642\nGaetti, Gary         .616  .638  .655  .632  ----   0.637\nBuechele, Steve      .647  .616  .647  .681  .599   0.635\nSalazar, Luis        ----  .617  .643  .637  ----   0.632\nPecota, Bill         ----  ----  ----  .629  ----   0.629\nSchmidt, Mike        .628  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.628\nRiles, Ernie         ----  .627  ----  ----  ----   0.627\nBoggs, Wade          .643  .659  .550  .653  .634   0.626\nMartinez, Egdar      ----  ----  .621  .645  .599   0.624\nMolitor, Paul        .633  .617  ----  ----  ----   0.624\nPhillips, Tony       ----  ----  .623  ----  ----   0.623\n*NL Average*         .643  .625  .602  .623  .603   0.619\nBrookens, Tom        .616  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.616\nKing, Jeff           ----  ----  .616  ----  ----   0.616\nSeitzer, Kevin       .654  .583  .593  ----  .635   0.616\n*AL Average*         .641  .612  .604  .620  .602   0.615\nJacoby, Brook        .624  .621  .600  ----  .597   0.613\nHansen, Dave         ----  ----  ----  ----  .611   0.611\nLaw, Vance           .635  .576  ----  ----  ----   0.611\nMagadan, Dave        ----  ----  ----  ----  .609   0.609\nJefferies, Greg      ----  ----  ----  ----  .606   0.606\nSharperson, Mike     ----  ----  .606  ----  ----   0.606\nZeile, Todd          ----  ----  ----  .614  .593   0.605\nBaerga, Carlos       ----  ----  ----  .604  ----   0.604\nHayes, Chris         ----  .601  .622  .606  .574   0.602\nLivingstone, Scott   ----  ----  ----  ----  .597   0.597\nHamilton, J.         .611  .584  ----  ----  ----   0.595\nKelly, Pat           ----  ----  ----  .595  ----   0.595\nLyons, Steve         .590  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.590\nOberkfell, Ken       .590  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.590\nJohnson, Howard      .628  .549  .611  .573  ----   0.588\nBell, Buddy          .587  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.587\nLansford, Carney     .620  .578  .594  ----  .550   0.587\nPresley, Jim         .643  .595  .530  ----  ----   0.584\nSchu, Rick           ----  .584  ----  ----  ----   0.584\nWorthington, Cal     ----  .583  .575  ----  ----   0.580\nHollins, Dave        ----  ----  ----  ----  .577   0.577\nSheffield, Gary      ----  ----  .584  ----  .567   0.575\nBlauser, Jeff        ----  .573  ----  ----  ----   0.573\nFryman, Travis       ----  ----  ----  .571  ----   0.571\nGantner, Jim         ----  ----  ----  .570  ----   0.570\nGomez, Lee           ----  ----  ----  .551  .542   0.546\nPalmer, Dean         ----  ----  ----  ----  .520   0.520\n-- \nDale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large\n\n  \"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not \n   overburdened with information\" -- J. Golden Kimball\n","666":"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)\nSubject: Rockies need some relief\nNntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 13\n\nOnce again, the Rockies bullpen fell apart.  Andy Ashby pitched six (somewhat\nshaky) innings giving up just one run.  Then game the dreaded relief.  Three\npicthers combined to give up 3 runs (one each I believe) in the 7th inning\nand blew the save opportunity.  (Final was 4-2 vs Expos).\n\nDespite their problems in the pen, I think the Rockies are a team that wont\nbe taken lightly.  Going into today's game, the had the league's leading\nhitter and RBI man (Galarraga), two of the leaders in stolen bases (Young\nand Cole) and increasingly strong starting pitching.\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","667":"From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy)\nSubject: Re: Title for XTerm\nReply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: I-NET Inc.\nLines: 52\n\nIn article 1r3fe2INN10d@fbi-news.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE, markhof@ls12r.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Ingolf Markhof) writes:\n|>In article <1quh74$r71@irz401.inf.tu-dresden.de>, beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck) writes:\n|>|> \n|>|> In article <C5oL74.3B1@aeon.in-berlin.de>, thomas@aeon.in-berlin.de (Thomas Wolfram) writes:\n|>|> |> >Hey guys!\n|>|> |> >I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname\n|>|> |> >to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only\n|>|> |> >when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear\n|>|> |> >as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed.\n|>|> |> >How can I do it?\n|>|> |> Almost all window managers (twm, mwm, olwm and their derivates) support\n|>|> |> escape sequences for it. For your purpose put following into your\n|>|> |> .login (if you're using csh or tcsh), for sh you have to modify it.\n|>|> |> \n|>|> |> if ( \"$term\" == \"xterm\" ) then\n|>|> |> \techo \"^[]2;${LOGNAME}@${HOST}^G^[]1;${HOST}^G\"\n|>|> |> endif\n|>|> 1) This is NOT a feature of the Window Manager but of xterm.\n|>|> 2) This sequences are NOT ANSI compatible, are they ?\n|>|>    Does anyone know IF there are compatible sequences for this and what they\n|>|>    are ? I would think they are DCS (device control sequence) introduced,\n|>|>    but may be a CSI sequence exists, too ?\n|>|>    This MUST work on a dxterm (VT and ANSI compatible), it may not work\n|>|>    on xterms.\n|>It works on xterms. At least I have no problem with it. - Back to the original\n|>question:\n|>\n|>I usually start new xterms by selecting the proper menu entry in my desktop\n|>menu. Here is a sample command:\n|>\n|>\txterm -sl 999 -n ls12i -title ls12i -e rlogin ls12i &\n|>\n|>The -n and -title options give the text for window and icon. As I use the\n|>tcsh (a wonderful extension of the csh), I can do the following:\n|>\n|>I have an\n|>\n|>\talias precmd echo -n '^[]2\\;${HOST}:$cwd^G'\n|>\n|>in my ~\/.tcshrc. This is a special alias for tvtwm. It is executed each time\n|>before printing the prompt. So, I have the current host name and the current\n|>directory path in the title bar of my xterms.\n\nHave you gotten an answer yet?  Using your variables, this is what I would do:\n\txterm -T \"$HOST - $LOGNAME\" -n \"$HOST\"\n\n---\nDaniel J. McCoy           |=> SPACE  <=|                   I-NET, Inc.\nNASA Mail Code PT4        |=> IS     <=|             TEL: 713-483-0950\nNASA\/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR    <=|             FAX: 713-244-5698\nHouston, Texas 77058      |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\n\n","668":"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)\nSubject: Re: Why Is Tax Evasion Not Considered Unpatriotic?\nOrganization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA\nLines: 37\n\nIn <1993Apr2.125134.3780@hemlock.cray.com> rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Ben's dad) writes:\n\n|In article <C4tAuw.Mrz@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n|> In article <1pasrg$ife@s1.gov> lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich) writes:\n|> \n|> |\tThe title is self-explanatory; Isaac Asimov once pointed out\n|> |that curious fact.\n|> \n|> Are you saying that it should be considered unpatriotic if you do not give\n|> everything you own to the state.\n\n|Are you saying that it should be considered unpatriotic if you do not give\n|your *life* in battle for the state?  The PC (Patrioticly Correct) certainly\n|think so.\n\n|>                                   I thought that kind of system collapsed\n|> when the Soviet Union did.\n\n|No, the pentagon is still standing and collecting names for the draft.\n\n|> If that's not what you meant. At what point does paying more taxes cease\n|> being patriotic?\n\n|Your money or your life.  Which is more important?\n\nNice dodge. I give it a 9.2.\n\nNow to answer your questions. I do not believe that there should be a\ndraft. The armed services should be voluntary. Can you say the same\nabout taxes.\n\nI've answered your question. Would you now answer mine.\n-- \nMob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government\nIt ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.\nWilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.\nMark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com\n","669":"From: cubbie@garnet.berkeley.edu (                               )\nSubject: Re: Cubs behind Marlins? How?\nArticle-I.D.: agate.1pt592$f9a\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu\n\n\ngajarsky@pilot.njin.net writes:\n\nmorgan and guzman will have era's 1 run higher than last year, and\n the cubs will be idiots and not pitch harkey as much as hibbard.\n castillo won't be good (i think he's a stud pitcher)\n\n       This season so far, Morgan and Guzman helped to lead the Cubs\n       at top in ERA, even better than THE rotation at Atlanta.\n       Cubs ERA at 0.056 while Braves at 0.059. We know it is early\n       in the season, we Cubs fans have learned how to enjoy the\n       short triumph while it is still there.\n","670":"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)\nSubject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)\nSummary: More on limiting libertarians\nOrganization: Free the Barbers, Inc.\nLines: 100\nNntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com\n\nIn article <18APR199320091677@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr18.174237.11229@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...\n>> \n>\n>Okay,  let me try to explain this.\n>\n>When one votes for such a creature as a Senator or,  worse yet,  a President,\n>one votes not for specific policies but for a general package which must cover\n>all issues for 4 or 6 years.  As such,  one's influence is highly diluted.\n>I might add that,  even if one were free to vote on individual regulations,\n>the vast amount of time required for considering a particular regulation,\n>combined with the very small chance of one's vote making a difference,  would\n>make it unreasonable to expect the voter to make an intelligent decision\n>with respect to specific regulations.     \n\nI'm afraid that I've lost the thread here.  I didn't suggest that all \ngovernment regulations be subject to referenda.  So I don't follow the \ncomments above.\n\n>> \n>> \n>:Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only \"feasible\" approach.  What is\n>:not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and \n>:licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent\n>:tasks.\n>\n>I'm not sure what you mean by \"feasible\" in this case.  Do you mean that\n>[] are impossible in priciple,  or merely that it would be undesirable in\n>fact?\n\nI mean that an ideology that treats all government regulation as equally\nundesirable and seeks to abolish all regulations is unlikely to draw\nsupport among more than a miniscule portion of the electorate.\n\nFurthermore, I am suggesting that such a plan is not feasible in an\nindustrial society because the weight of litigation and\/or misery it\nwould produce would effectively crush productive effort.\n>\n>\n>:Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as \n>:generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense.\n>:(It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to\n>:be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending\n>:that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...)\n>\n>You say this as if it were surprising,  yet in fact a necessary consequence\n>of libertarian philosophy.  All non-coersive functions should be dealt \n>with privately,  therefore it follows that the only functions remaining to\n>the state are the coersive ones.\n\nNo, I'm not surprised.  I just think it's interesting that on one hand\nlibertarians assume a limited government can be decreed, yet on the other\nposit an entire government made up of people who carry guns.  (I realize\nthat many libertarians assume that such a government will be \ncounterbalanced by a fully armed citizenry, but it is worth noting that\nwidespread civilian ownership of guns does not necessarily prevent the\nestablishment of totalitarian government, e.g. Iraq.)\n>\n>> \n>:Perhaps you have.  May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries\n>:frequently generate support by acting as protectors of \"geezers,\" \n>:mothers and children.  Governments that ignore such people on the grounds\n>:that \"we don't have much to fear\" from them do so at their own peril.\n>\n>Much more likely it's drunken teenagers.  The groups in questionare more \n>likely to be worse off during and after a revolution than before.  \n>In the unlikely\n>event that you missed my earlier sarcasm,  let me say this directly:\n>The idea that such programs as Social Security or AFDC should be considered\n>\"defense\" (an idea which has been advanced in ths and other newsgroups) is\n>so absurd a lie as to be unworthy of consideration.  Do you seriously\n>dispute this?\n\nYup, sure do.  But since I also support the constitutional requirement\nthat the government provide for the general welfare (Article I section 8),\nI'm willing to justify such programs on that basis.\n>\n>\n>\tI don't want to seem patronizing,  but you still seem to be laboring\n>under the delusion that under a socialized economic system it is reasonably\n>intelligent and honest persons (like yourself) who make the decisions.\n>I feel any third party added to a transaction is every bit as likely to be\n>ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller.  I don't expect you to agree\n>with me,  but you explain why you feel I'm wrong?\n\nWell, in the first place, I don't support a \"socialized economic system.\"\nI think within limits that capitalism is a fine idea.  But it is not\nthe case that \"any third party...is...as likely to be ignorant or corrupt\nas the buyer or seller.\"  There are multitudes of examples where such a\nstatement is demonstrably false.  Regulation of stock market transactions\nthat provide a reasonable basis for buyers to avoid fraud is only one\nexample.\n\njsh\n\n>Mr. Grinch\n--\nSteve Hendricks                        |  DOMAIN:  steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM   \n\"One thing about data, it sure does cut|  UUCP:    ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh\n the bulls**t.\" - R. Hofferbert        |  Ma Bell: 509 838-8826\n","671":"From: crichar@eskimo.com (Craig S. Richardson)\nSubject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nArticle-I.D.: eskimo.C5JCK0.DEA\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Eskimo North (206) 367-3837 {eskimo.com}\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.123803.4618@webo.dg.com> lyford@dagny.webo.dg.com (Lyford Beverage) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr13.202037.9485@cs.cornell.edu>, tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n>|> In article <rudyC5Fr3q.1CL@netcom.com> rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade) writes:\n>|> >In article <C5FMxD.2pM@cs.dal.ca> niguma@ug.cs.dal.ca (Gord Niguma) writes:\n>|> >>. He probably didn't even have as good a season as\n>|> >>Alomar last year.\n>|> >  \n[snip]\n>|> Uh, yes.  Baerga has a lot of flash, but Alomar was the better hitter\n>|> last year.\n>|> \n[stats deleted - we've all seen them by now]\n>This is fascinating.  You say that Alomar was the better hitter last \n>year, and immediately follow that up with numbers showing that Baerga\n>had a better year.  The only category that I see which shows an advantage\n>for Alomar is OBP.\n\nI nominate this last bit for \"Anti-Stathead Quote of the Week\".\n\nAlomar only has a 50 point advantage in the most important offensive\ncategory, while Baerga, who studied in the Joe Carter School of Out-Burning,\nhas more impressive mediot stats, largely due to opportunities rather\nthan quality.\n\nThe lines are fairly close in value, but edge to Alomar.\n\nNow Baerga ain't chopped liver, but Alomar is still the man to beat among\nAL second basemen...\n\n--Craig\n-- \nCraig S. Richardson (crichar@eskimo.com - formerly eskimo.celestial.com))\nGM - Pullman Sleepers (OBFBL)           GM - Seattle Rainiers (IFL)   \nGM\/Manager - Tacoma Black Adders (IBL)  GM - New Jack City Highlanders (KL)\nTacoma Black Adders - A Growing, Excited Team! - \"The Future Begins Tomorrow\"\n","672":"From: gt0463b@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Davis Smith)\nSubject: REAL ESTATE SALE\nArticle-I.D.: hydra.91506\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 71\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n                            RESIDENTIAL LOT FOR SALE\n\n\n\n\n\n               I have a nice residential lot available.  It is approx-\n          imately 1\/2 acre in size.  It is located in the development\n          called Belvedere Plantation in Pender County, eastern North\n          Carolina, north of Wilmington.  The lot is near the Intra-\n          Coastal Waterway.  Golf and tennis are located on the\n          development property.  Belvedere Plantation also has a mar-\n          ina facility on the ICW.  This lot is nearby to all of the\n          facilities mentioned.\n\n\n\n               I own the lot outright but it does not look like I will\n          get back to the area anytime soon.  I would like to sell it\n          for that reason.  Make an offer.\n\n\n\n               If interested please send E-mail.\n          gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu.  - Mike Smith\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \nMichael Davis Smith\nGeorgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332\nuucp:\t  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0463b\nInternet: gt0463b@prism.gatech.edu\n","673":"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin)\nSubject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance !\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu \nwrites:\n>Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter\n>how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. \n\nNope.  Here in Northern California, a newspaper recently did a survey,\nasking if people favored stricter gun controls.  A full 40% said no.\nHere, in one of the most Liberal (it wasn't always a swear word :( areas\nof the country, nearly half the people don't want additional controls, let\nalone revocation of RKBA...\n\n>This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your\n>RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty.\n\nMisguided dolt though he may be (though, I still maintain, less dangerous\nthan Bush), Clinton does not publicly support revoking the second amendment.\n\n>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect\n>them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time.\n>Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an\n>immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. \n\nWell, I'll help MY neighbors...\n\n>Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions\n>are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will\n>be as safe as possible. Such as it is ...\n\nViolent solutions are passe'?  I take it you propose disarming the police,\nthen?\n\nPlease don't mention RKBA in the same breath as the KKK.  RKBA is about\nbeing able to defend yourself and others, not about killing the innocent.\nActually, your mention of the KKK is rather funny, considering that the\nfirst gun control law in the US were created specifically to disarm black\npeople...\n\n    don\n\n\n\n","674":"From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>\nSubject: Assistance to Palest.people\nNf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500359:000:3036\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr    Apr 24 15:00:00 1993\nLines: 78\n\n\nFrom: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\nSubject: Assistance to Palest.people\n\n\nU.N. General Assembly Resolution 46\/201 of 20 December 1991\n\nASSISTANCE TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE\n---------------------------------------------\nThe General Assembly\n\nRecalling its resolution 45\/183 of 21 December 1990\n\nTaking into account the intifadah of the Palestinian people in the\noccupied Palestinian territory against the Israeli occupation,\nincluding Israeli economic and social policies and practices,\n\nRejecting Israeli restrictions on external economic and social\nassistance to the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian\nterritory,\n\nConcerned about the economic losses of the Palestinian people as a\nresult of the Gulf crisis,\n\nAware of the increasing need to provide economic and social\nassistance to the Palestinian people,\n\nAffirming that the Palestinian people cannot develop their\nnational economy as long as the Israeli occupation persists,\n\n1. Takes note of the report of the Secretary-General on assistance\nto the Palestinian people;\n\n2. Expresses its appreciation to the States, United Nations bodies\nand intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations that have\nprovided assistance to the Palestinian people,\n\n3. Requests the international community, the United Nations system\nand intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations to\nsustain and increase their assistance to the Palestinian people,\nin close cooperation with the Palestine Liberation Organization\n(PLO), taking in account the economic losses of the Palestinian\npeople as a result of the Gulf crisis;\n\n4. Calls for treatment on a transit basis of Palestinian exports\nand imports passing through neighbouring ports and points of exit\nand entry;\n\n5. Also calls for the granting of trade concessions and concrete\npreferential measures for Palestinian exports on the basis of\nPalestinian certificates of origin;\n\n6. Further calls for the immediate lifting of Israeli restrictions\nand obstacles hindering the implementation of assistance projects\nby the United Nations Development Programme, other United Nations\nbodies and others providing economic and social assistance to the\nPalestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory;\n\n7. Reiterates its call for the implementation of development\nprojects in the occupied Palestinian territory, including the\nprojects mentioned in its resolution 39\/223 of 18 December 1984;\n\n8. Calls for facilitation of the establishment of Palestinian\ndevelopment banks in the occupied Palestinian territory, with a\nview to promoting investment, production, employment and income\ntherein;\n\n9. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the General\nThe General Assembly at its 47th session, through the Economic and Social\nCouncil, on the progress made in the implementation of the present\nresolution.\n-----------------------------------------------\n\nIn favour 137 countries (Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand,\nJapan, Africa, South America, Central America and Asia) Against:\nUnited States and Israel Abstaining: None\n\n\n","675":"From: sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen)\nSubject: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: University of Tromsoe, Norway\nLines: 6\n\nI nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows. \n\nDo I find it on any FTP host?\n\nSvein\n\n","676":"From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng)\nSubject: 1990 Integra LS for sale\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nDistribution: nj\nKeywords: for sale integra\nLines: 15\n\n\n\n********* 1990 Integra LS for Sale *********\n\n5 speed, sunroof, rear spoiler, new tires\n59.7K miles\n\n$ 7950 or best offer.\n\ncall 908-949-0878\n     908-938-4101\n\nemail att!hotsoup!peng\n\n*********************************************\n","677":"From: ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu (Ned Danieley)\nSubject: compiling clients on a Sun IPX\nOrganization: Basic Arrhythmia Laboratory, Duke Univ. Med. Center, Durham, N.C.\nLines: 19\nNntp-Posting-Host: bal1.mc.duke.edu\nOriginator: ndd@bal1\n\nI'm trying to set up an IPX for another group. I copied all the\nX stuff that I compiled on my 4\/280 (which runs SunOS 4.1.1) using\ngcc 2.1, and most things run just fine. however, I did find a\ncouple of bugs, and when I try to recompile those clients on the IPX\n(which runs 4.1.3), I get\n\nld: Undefined symbol\n   _XShapeQueryExtension\n   _XShapeCombineMask\n\nI know that I can include libXext and get rid of those messages,\nbut I can't figure out why I get them on the IPX and not on the\n4\/280. any ideas?\n\n-- \nNed Danieley (ndd@sunbar.mc.duke.edu)\nBasic Arrhythmia Laboratory\nBox 3140, Duke University Medical Center\nDurham, NC  27710   (919) 660-5111 or 660-5100\n","678":"From: umeister@hardy.u.washington.edu (Starfleet Command)\nSubject: 256 Color Drivers\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1r2p1pINNp6\nReply-To: umeister@u.washington.edu\nDistribution: pnw\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu\n\nI would appreciate the driver name from CICA which functions as a 256\ncolor driver for a Quadtel video card. The type of chip or chipset used\nwould suffice as well.\n\n                                          umeister@u.washington.edu\n","679":"From: jslam@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (joseph.lam)\nSubject: Re: Request for Islanders e-mail list\nArticle-I.D.: cbnewsl.1993Apr5.183014.16567\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.014237.20959@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca (BUI\/DON\/MR) writes:\n>In article <16b5xvf@rpi.edu> wangr@rpi.edu writes:\n>>>If anyone out there is keeping an Islanders e-mail list, could you\n>>>please add me to it? Thanks in advance.\n>>\n>>>Ercu\n>>\t\n>>\tCan u add me onto the list too....Thanks...\n>>\n>>Rex\n>\n>Count me IN !!!!\n>\n>Go Isles!\n>\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t-Don\n>\n>bui@ee470.ee.mcgill.ca\n>\n\nPlease count me in also...\n\nJust can't tell you how excited I was when the Islanders beat the Rangers\nin overtime on last Friday!!!\n\nGo Isles!\n","680":"From: Mike Diack <mike-d@staff.tc.umn.edu>\nSubject: 16 bit serial converters\nX-Xxdate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 06:56:45 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-34.gw.umn.edu\nOrganization: persian cat & carpet co.\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7\nLines: 2\n\nSomeone was looking for these a few weeks ago - check out comp.dsp\nMike.\n","681":"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu\nSubject: Q the Lost Gospel\nOrganization: The Claremont Graduate School\nLines: 5\n\nJust finished reading Burton Mack's new book, _The Lost Gospel, Q and Christian\nOrigins_.  I thought it was totally cool.  Anyone else read it and want to \ntalk?\n\nRandy\n","682":"From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan)\nSubject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe??\nNntp-Posting-Host: opal12\nOrganization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group\nLines: 39\n\njlong@emcnext2.tamu.edu (James Long) writes:\n\n>In article <1r1crn$27g@transfer.stratus.com> tszeto@sneezy.ts.stratus.com  \n>(Tommy Szeto) writes:\n>> Water gradually builds up in the trunk of my friend's 89 Ford Probe.  Every\n>> once in a while we would have to remove the spare and scoop out the water\n>> under the plywood\/carpet cover on the trunk.  I would guess this usually  \n>happens\n>> after a good thunder storm.  A few Qs:\n>> \n>> 1) Is this a common problem?\n>> 2) Where are the drain holes located for the hatch?\n\n>I noticed this is my '89 probe also, when recently cleaning out the back.  I  \n>think the water is coming *up* through some rubber stoppered holes beneath the  \n>spare.  Mine looked slightly worn, and there was no water or water damage above  \n>the level of the spare area. \n\n>This has taken a low priority since I just found out (while rotating my tires)  \n>that I have a torn CV boot - ugh!!\n\nI've got an 89 GT.  It has the smoked taillight assembly.  I think this is where\nthe water is getting in.  When I first got it (had it for a month), one of the rear\ntaillights fogged up with moisture.  I took it in to the dealer and they replaced\nthe entire assembly.  It happened to the other one about 3 months later.  This time\nI happened to look in the spare tire well and noticed water standing in there.  The\ndealer was more reluctant this time to replace it.  But I convinced them to\nfix it.  (They must have had to deal with a number of other probes with the same\nproblem.)  I haven't noticed water in the taillamps (or the trunk) for the last 2.5\nyears, but just last month, the taillamp just fogged up again.  I'm going to try\nto take it back to get them to fix it again.  I'm real tempted to drill some vent\nand drain holes in the tops and bottoms of the assembly and forget about it.  This is\ngetting very annoying. (Almost every other `89 GT I've seen has had this problem.)\n\nVel\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n-- Vel Natarajan  nataraja@rtsg.mot.com  Motorola Cellular, Arlington Hts IL  --\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","683":"From: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)\nSubject: Hey, What about teh Cannucks?\nReply-To: grogers@slacvx.slac.stanford.edu (Greg Rogers)\nOrganization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center\nLines: 13\n\nHi all,\n\nDue to living in the Bay Area, I as unable to see Vancouver's victory over\nthe Jets last night.  I know the score, but that rarely describes the game.\nCould someone please post a brief sonapsis (sp?) of waht happened.  How well\ndid each team play?  Were the cannucks deserving of the victory?\n\nAlso, could some kind soul please email me the end of season, individual\nplayer stats?\n\nGreg\n\n-- Vancouver for the cup (in a virtual reality)--\n","684":"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nSubject: Islam is caused by believing (was Re: Genocide is Caused by Theism)\nReply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nLines: 40\n\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.173100.29861@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n\n>>I'm only saying that anything can happen under atheism.  Being a\n>>beleiver, a knowledgeable one in religion, only good can happen.\n\nThis is becoming a tiresome statement.  Coming from you it is \na definition, not an assertion:\n\n   Islam is good.  Belief in Islam is good.  Therefore, being a \n   believer in Islam can produce only good...because Islam is\n   good. Blah blah blah.\n\nThat's about as circular as it gets, and equally meaningless.  To\nsay that something produces only good because it is only good that \nit produces is nothing more than an unapplied definition.  And\nall you're application is saying that it's true if you really \nbelieve it's true.  That's silly.\n\nConversely, you say off-handedly that _anything_ can happen under\natheism.  Again, just an offshoot of believe-it-and-it-becomes-true-\ndon't-believe-it-and-it-doesn't.  \n\nLike other religions I'm aquainted with, Islam teaches exclusion and\ncaste, and suggests harsh penalties for _behaviors_ that have no\nlogical call for punishment (certain limits on speech and sex, for\nexample).  To me this is not good.  I see much pain and suffering\nwithout any justification, except for the _waving of the hand_ of\nsome inaccessible god.\n\nBy the by, you toss around the word knowledgable a bit carelessly.\nFor what is a _knowledgeable believer_ except a contradiction of\nterms.  I infer that you mean believer in terms of having faith.\nAnd If you need knowledge to believe then faith has nothing\nto do with it, does it?\n\n-jim halat\n   \n\n","685":"From: wally@Auspex.COM (Wally Bass)\nSubject: Re: Date is stuck\nOrganization: Auspex Systems, Santa Clara\nLines: 35\nNntp-Posting-Host: alpha1-e5.auspex.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.055039.29715@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au>\n    oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni) writes:\n  [stuff deleted]\n>Did I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like a \n>clock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock\n>hardware interrupt and BIOS don't do this (date advance) automatically. The\n>Get Date call notices that a \"midnight reset\" flag has been set, and then\n>then advances the date.\n>\n>Anybody with more info?\n\nThere are two 'problems':\n(1) the BIOS TOD routine which updates the BIOS clock uses only 1 bit\n    for day increment, so a second wrapping of the clock past midnight\n    will get lost if no one calls the BIOS to read the clock in the\n    meantime, and\n(2) the BIOS resets the day wrap indicator on the first 'get date'\n    call from ANYBODY (after the wrap indicator has been set). So\n    unless the first BIOS 'get date' call after midnight is done by\n    the DOS 'kernel' (which is the only part of DOS which knows how to\n    increment the date, the day wrap indication is normally lost.\nMy guess is that Kevin's 'menu' system uses BIOS calls to read the\nclock (in order to display the time), and is hence the entity which\ncauses the day wrap indication to get lost. Even if the 'menu' system\n'notices' the day 'wrap' (which I think is indicated by a non-zero\nvalue in AL), there really isn't any particularly good way to tell DOS\nabout it, so that DOS can update the day. The menu system 'should' use\nDOS calls to get the time, which would cause the DOS 'kernel' to do\nthe BIOS call, and the wrap indicator would hence be processed\nproperly.  Possibly, though, the 'menu' system can't easily use DOS\ncalls for time, because DOS is not reentrant, and perhaps time\nincrementing ofters occur while the 'menu' system is 'inside' some\nother DOS call.\n\nWally Bass\n","686":"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <C5JCH1.FrC@ulowell.ulowell.edu> wex@cs.ulowell.edu writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca>, u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes:\n>|> >\tI was wondering if people had any good uses for old\n>|> >256k SIMMs.  I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac\n>|> >and I know lots of other people do to.  I have tried to\n>|> >sell them but have gotten NO interest.\n>\n>We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these.\n\nYes, but they don't look appropriate.  I much prefer used 833 tubes on\nmy tree.\n--scott\n","687":"From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit)\nSubject: Re: Turkish Government Agents on UseNet Lie Through Their Teeth! \nIn-Reply-To: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 20: 45:12 GMT\nOrganization: York U. Student Information Systems Project\nLines: 15\n\nDavidian-babble:\n\n>The Turkish government feels it can funnel a heightened state of ultra-\n>nationalism existing in Turkey today onto UseNet and convince people via its \n>revisionist, myopic, and incidental view of themselves and their place in the \n>world. \n\nTurkish government on usenet? How long are you going to keep repeating\nthis utterly idiotic [and increasingly saddening] drivel?\n\noz\n---\n   life of a people is a sea, and those that look at it from the shore  \n   cannot know its depths.\t\t\t     -Armenian proverb \n\n","688":"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)\nSubject: Just what is in the Jobs\/Pork bill?\nOrganization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 26\n\nThis was in Wed. WSJ.\n\n[start]\nThe white house, seeking to mount public pressure on GOP senators, bombarded\nnews outlets in some senator's home states with news releases warning that\ncertain projects may not be funded if the $16billion stimulus bill isn't\npassed.\n\nNone of the projects mentioned are actually in the bill, rather they are\npart of a wish list that may be funded from the $2.56 billion in\nCommunity Development Block Grants.\n\n...\n\n[end]\n\nI could have sworn I heard a bunch of Clintonites going on and on, raving\nabout how dishonest it was that the Rebublicans were taking items from this\nwish list in order to ridicule this bill. Now that Clinton is using that\nsame list in order to garner support for the bill, are you guys going to\ndo the honarable thing and say that Clinton is being dishonest.\n-- \nMob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government\nIt ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.\nWilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.\nMark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com\n","689":"From: news@cbnewsk.att.com\nSubject: Re: anger\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Labs\nLines: 31\n\n>Paul Conditt writes:\n>>In case you couldn't tell, I get *extremely* angry and upset when\n>>I see things like this.  Instead of rationalizing our own fears and\n>>phobias, we need to be reaching out to people with AIDS and other\n>>socially unacceptable diseases.  Whether they got the disease through\n>>their own actions or not is irrelevant.  They still need Jesus...\n\nAaron Bryce Cardenas) writes:\n>The first issue you bring up is your anger.  It is \"obvious\"ly wrong to\n>be angry (Gal 5:19-20) for any reason, especially *extremely* angry\n>which is on par with hatred.  Jesus has every reason to be angry at us\n>for putting him on the cross with our sin, yet his prayer was \"forgive\n>them Father, they know not what they do.\"  ...\n\nI don't know why it is so obvious.  We are not speaking of acts of the \nflesh.  We are just speaking of emotions.  Emotions are not of themselves\nmoral or immoral, good or bad.  Emotions just are.  The first step is\nnot to label his emotion as good or bad or to numb ourselves so that\nwe hide our true feelings, it is to accept ourselves as we are, as God\naccepts us.  It seems that Paul's anger he has accepted and channeled\nit to a plea to all of us to refrain from passing judgement on those\nafflicted with a disease and to reach out to others.  Give in?  Calling\nhis arguments foolish, belittling them to only quarrels, avoiding action\nbecause of fear to give others a bad feeling, he's not forgiving?\n\nRe-think it, Aaron.  Don't be quick to judge.  He has forgiven those with\nAIDS, he has dealt with and taken responsibility for his feelings and made\nappropriate choices for action on such feelings.  He has not given in to\nhis anger.\n\nJoe Moore\n","690":" cs.utexas.edu!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nFrom: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\n <930401.112329.0u1.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> <11710@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\nLines: 17\n\nbobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:\n\n>  And in the US, even that argument doesn't stand.  It costs far\n>  more to execute a criminal in this country than it does to feed,\n>  clothe, and shelter them for the remainder of their natural life.\n>  Some people believe this is a fault of our judicial system.  I\n>  find it to be one of it's greatest virtues.\n\nI assume that you are talking about the appeals processes, etc.?\nWell, it should be noted that people who are imprisoned for life\nwill also tend to appeal (though not quite as much in the \"final\nhours.\"\n\nAnyway, economics is not a very good reason to either favor or oppose\nthe punishment.\n\nkeith\n","691":"From: rj3s@Virginia.EDU (\"Get thee to a nunnery.....\")\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 32\n\neshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu  writes:\n> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (\"Andi Beyer\") writes:\n> \n> >I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in\n> >reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering\n> >reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is\n> >interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda.\n> \n> If you consider Israeli reporting of events in Israel to be propoganda, then \n> consider the Washington Post's handling of American events to be propoganda\n> too.  What makes the Israeli press inherently biased in your opinion?  I\n> wouldn't compare it to Nazi propoganda either.  Unless you want to provide\n> some evidence of Israeli inaccuracies or parallels to Nazism, I suggest you \n> keep your mouth shut.  I'm sick and tired of all you anti-semites comparing\n> Israel to the Nazis (and yes, in my opinion, if you compare Israel to the Nazis\n> you are an anti-semite because you know damn well it isn't true and you are\n> just trying to discredit Israel).\n> \n> Ed.\n> \nYou know ed,...  You're right!  Andi shouldn't be comparing\nIsrael to the Nazis.  The Israelis are much worse than the\nNazis ever were anyway.  The Nazis did a lot of good for\nGermany, and they would have succeeded if it weren't for the\ndamn Jews.  The Holocaust never happened anyway.  Ample\nevidence given by George Schafer at Harvard, Dept. of History,\nand even by Randolph Higgins at NYU, have shown that the\nHolocaust was just a semitic conspiracy created to obtain\nsympathy to piush for the creation of Israel.\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n","692":"Subject: CHRISTIAN DEVIL REVEALED!\nFrom: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)\nOrganization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.\nLines: 56\n\n>For a while I was puzzled by the the concept of Adam and Eve coming to\n>know good and evil.  This is how I resolved it.  Within God's universe\n>each action evokes an equal and opposite reaction.  There can be no good\n>without evil as an opposite.  So the issue is not what you do but to whom\n>you give your allegiance.  That is why, even in this sinful state, when we\n>perform an evil act while we are submitted to God He does not place that\n>sinful act to our account (Rom 4:8) In the same vein you can perform all \n>the good deeds in the book, if your life is not under God's control you are \n>still sinning (see Rom 14:23).\n\nNow, take a good look at at, an tell me man, there is no Christian\nDevil? There is, is real, is a virus, a meme, infecting and possessing\nthe good people and keep 'em from becoming human beings with emphasis on\nthe being! Is not a matter of good people an evil people, is all good\npeople see, but some good people vexed of the Christian Devil. An it\ncan't be burn out or lynch out or rape out. Only wise up let I rise up.\nChristian Devil is real man, how else can you explain five hundred years\nof history, even more? Can only be explained by Christians invoke\nChristian Devil.\n\nyou keep on knocking but you can't come in, i got to understand you've\nbeen living in sin, but walk right in and sit right down, i'll keep\non loving you, i'll play the clown, but bend down low, let i tell you\nwhat i know yah\n\ni've been 'buked brothers and i've been stoned, woe, woe, woe, now i'm\nhung by a tree in the the ganging on a few, woe, woe, woe, it doesn't\nmatter who the man is who lives the life he loves, it doesn't matter\nwhat the man does or the honest life he loves, i want somewhere, i want\nsomewhere, hallelujah, hallelujah, somewhere to lay my head, woe is me\n\nonly ska beat in 'eaven man\n\nstiff necked fools, you think you're cool, to deny me for simplicity, yes\nyou have gone, for so long with your love for vanity now, yes you have\ngot the wrong interpretation mixed up with vain imagination, so take jah\nsun and jah moon and jah rain and jah stars, and forever yes erase your\nfantasy, yeah, the lips of the righteous teach many, but fools die for\nwant of wisdom, the rich man's wealth is in his city, the righteous\nwealth is in his holy place, so take jah sun and jah moon and jah rain\nand jah stars, and forever yes erase your fantasy, destruction of the\npoor is in their poverty, destruction of the soul is vanity, yeah, but i\ndon't want to rule ya, i don't want to fool ya, i don't want to school\nya, things you, you might never know about, yes you have got the wrong\ninterpretation mixed up with vain, vain imagination, stiff necked fools,\nyou think you're cool, to deny me for, oh simplicity\n\nlove to see, when yah move in the rhythm, love to see when you're\ndancing from within, it gives great joy to feel such sweet togetherness,\neveryone's doing and they're doing their best, it remind i of the days\nin jericho, when we trodden down jericho wall, these are the days when\nwe'll trod true babylon, gonna trod until babylon fall\n\nthen I saw the angel with the seven seals saying, babylon throne going down\n\nwe weeping and we wailing tonight\n","693":"From: chen@protostar.harvard.edu\nSubject: re: BBBBIG problem with W4W print file. Help!!!!\nOrganization: Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics \nDistribution: world \nLines: 34\n\n\nIn article <1993Mar31.014237.28478@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> dwoo@unb.ca writes:\n>To all the W4W experts:\n>\n>I have a file that is three pages long with 10 to 12 1-line equations\n>plus a 5\"by 2\" diagram. The size of this file is about 81KB before\n>unlinking all the embedded objects and 30KB after unlinking all the\n>embedded objects. Well, when I print it (since I don't have a laser\n>printer, I have to send it to a print file), W4W gives me back a\n>BBBBBBIG file that is well over 6MB long.  I just fail to see how a 81K\n>file can be boosted to a 6MB file. Obviously, I will not able to carry\n>this 6MB+ file to the public printer unless I find myself a network\n>card, a cable etc.\n>\n>Could anyone please enlighten me with a solution? (I already try to\n>print a page at a time, it still won't fit into a HD floppy)\n>\n>Thanx a mil.\n>\n>\n>\n>*****************************************************************\n>*  Dennis Woo              Department of Mechanical Engineering *\n>*  E-mail: dwoo@unb.ca     University of New Brunswick          *\n>*  Tel: (506) 453-4513                                          *\n>*****************************************************************\t\n> \n>\nI once had this problem.  All I did was to copy the whole doc to a new file.  The problem \nwas gone.  Hope this helps.\n\nHua\n\n\n","694":"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)\nSubject: \"Clipper\" an Infringement on Intergraph's Name?\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nLines: 28\n\nBesides being an infringement on our civil liberties (not the subject\nin this post), the name \"Clipper Chip\" seems very confusable with the\n\"Clipper\" chip of Intergraph.\n\nOriginally designed by a team at Fairchild Semiconductor, Clipper was\na 32-bit RISC microprocessor. It is still used in some workstations,\nnotably those from Intergraph, the supplier of CAD tools. Intergraph\nacquired the Clipper product line when Fairchild was sold to National\nSemiconductor several years back.\n\nWhen I first saw \"Clipper Chip\" in the announcement, I immediately\nthought the article was referring to the Clipper chip I know.\n\nThis seems to be grounds for Intergraph to sue, but then I'm not a\nlawyer. I'd say I'm a cryptologist, but I don't want to incriminate\nmyself under the laws of the new regime.\n\n-Tim May\n\n\n-- \n..........................................................................\nTimothy C. May         | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,  \ntcmay@netcom.com       | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero\n408-688-5409           | knowledge, reputations, information markets, \nW.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA  | black markets, collapse of governments.\nHigher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.\n\n","695":"From: et@teal.csn.org (Eric H. Taylor)\nSubject: Re: HELP_WITH_TRACKING_DEVICE\nSummary: underground and underwater wireless methods\nKeywords: Rogers, Tesla, Hertz, underground, underwater, wireless, radio\nNntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org\nOrganization: 4-L Laboratories\nExpires: Fri, 30 Apr 1993 06:00:00 GMT\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <00969FBA.E640FF10@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU> mcdonald@AESOP.RUTGERS.EDU writes:\n>[...]\n>There are a variety of water-proof housings I could use but the real meat\n>of the problem is the electronics...hence this posting.  What kind of\n>transmission would be reliable underwater, in murky or even night-time\n>conditions?  I'm not sure if sound is feasible given the distortion under-\n>water...obviously direction would have to be accurate but range could be\n>relatively short (I imagine 2 or 3  hundred yards would be more than enough)\n>\n>Jim McDonald\n\nRefer to patents by JAMES HARRIS ROGERS:\n958,829; 1,220,005; 1,322,622; 1,349,103; 1,315,862; 1,349,104;\n1,303,729; 1,303,730; 1,316,188\n\nHe details methods of underground and underwater wireless communications.\nFor a review, refer to _Electrical_Experimenter_, March 1919 and June 1919.\n\nRogers' methods were used extensively during the World War, and was\nunclassified after the war. Supposedly, the government rethought this\nsoon after, and Rogers was convieniently forgotten.\n\nThe bottom line is that all antennas that are grounded send HALF of\ntheir signal THRU the ground. The half that travels thru space is\nquickly dissapated (by the square of the distance), but that which\ntravels thru the ground does not disapate at all. Furthermore,\nthe published data showed that when noise drowned out regular\nreception, the underground antennas would recieve virtually noise-free.\n\nIF you find this hard to believe, then refer to the work of the\nman who INVENTED wireless: Tesla. Tesla confirmed that Rogers' methods\nwere correct, while Hertzian wave theory was completely \"abberant\".\n\n----\n ET   \"Tesla was 100 years ahead of his time. Perhaps now his time comes.\"\n----\n","696":"From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)\nSubject: Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman )\nNntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg\nOrganization: TECHNET, Singapore\nDistribution: na\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <Ufk_Gqu00WBKE7cX5V@andrew.cmu.edu> Ashish Arora <ashish+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po..\n>by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig \n>[...]\n>\n>>    The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before  \n>> the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend.\n>>  \n>> Brett\n>Is this true ?  Some more details would be appreciated.\n\nYes, sadly, this is true. The primary reason, and the essence of the\ndetails that you are seeking, is that the Grahm-Rudman budget controls\nwere working.  In fact, they were working so well that unless the feds\ndid something, they were going to have to start cutting pork. So Bush\nand the Democrats got together in a Budget Summit and replaced\nGrahm-Rudman with the now historic Grand Compromise in which Bush\n\"consented\" to raise taxes in exchange for certain caps on spending\nincreases.\n\nAs it turned out, the taxes killed the Reagan expansion and the caps\non spending increases were dispelled by Clinton in his first act as\nPresident (so that he could create his own new plan with more tax\nincreases).\n\nThe result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level \nABOVE where it was when Reagan left office.\n\nChew on that awhile.\n","697":"From: sschaff@roc.slac.stanford.edu (Stephen F. Schaffner)\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: Stanford Linear Accelerator Center\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.32.47.1993.14396@athos.rutgers.edu>, \nwhheydt@pbhya.pacbell.com (Wilson Heydt) writes:\n\n|> As for the dating of the oldest extant texts of the NT....  How would\n|> you feel about the US Civil War in a couple of thousand years if the\n|> only extant text was written about *now*?  Now adjust for a largely\n|> illiterate population, and one in which every copy of a manuscript is\n|> done by hand....\n\nConsiderably better than I feel about, say, the Punic Wars, or the \nPeloponnesian War (spelling optional), or almost any other event in \nclassical history.  How close to the events do you think the oldest \nextent manuscripts are in those cases?\n\n-- \nSteve Schaffner        sschaff@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu\n\tThe opinions expressed may be mine, and may not be those of SLAC, \nStanford University, or the DOE.\n","698":"From: tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Tim Ciceran)\nSubject: Re: TIFF -> Anything?!\nOrganization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 10\n\nThere is a program called Graphic Workshop you can FTP from\nwuarchive.  The file is in the msdos\/graphics directory and\nis called \"grfwk61t.zip.\"  This program should od everthing\nyou need.\n\n-- \n\nTMC\n(tmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.ca)\n\n","699":"From: dunnjj@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (DUNN  JONATHAN JAMES)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 24\n\nak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:\n\n\n>Cup holders (driving is an importantant enough undertaking)\n\nThis is a good idea - so you can carry your (non-alcoholic) drinks without\nspilling or having someone hold on to them.\n\n>Cellular phones and mobile fax machines (see above)\n\nFax machines, yes.  Cellular phones:  Why not get a hands-free model?\n\n>Fake convertible roofs and vinyl roofs.\n\nSeemingly unique to American luxury cars.  The Big Three haven't yet realized\nthat the 1970s are over.\n\n>Any gold trim.\n\nI agree.  Just another display of Yuppie excess.\n\n>Jon Dunn<\n\n\n","700":"From: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu (Ed Stastny)\nSubject: The OTIS Project (FTP sites for original art and images)\nKeywords: Mr.Owl, how many licks...\nOrganization: University of Nebraska at Omaha\nLines: 227\n\n\n\t-------------------------------------\n\t+ ............The OTIS Project '93  +      \n\t+ \"The Operative Term Is STIMULATE\" + \n\t-------------------------------------\n\t---this file last updated..4-21-93---\n\n\nWHAT IS OTIS?\n\nOTIS is here for the purpose of distributing original artwork\nand photographs over the network for public perusal, scrutiny,    \nand distribution.  Digital immortality.\n\nThe basic idea behind \"digital immortality\" is that computer networks   \nare here to stay and that anything interesting you deposit on them\nwill be around near-forever.  The GIFs and JPGs of today will be the\nartifacts of a digital future.  Perhaps they'll be put in different\nformats, perhaps only surviving on backup tapes....but they'll be\nthere...and someone will dig them up.  \n \nIf that doesn't interest you... OTIS also offers a forum for critique\nand exhibition of your works....a virtual art gallery that never closes\nand exists in an information dimension where your submissions will hang\nas wallpaper on thousands of glowing monitors.  Suddenly, life is \nbreathed into your work...and by merit of it's stimulus, it will \ntravel the globe on pulses of light and electrons.\n \nSpectators are welcome also, feel free to browse the gallery and \nlet the artists know what you think of their efforts.  Keep your own\ncopies of the images to look at when you've got the gumption...\nthat's what they're here for.\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------\n\nWHERE?             \n\nOTIS currently (as of 4\/21\/93) has two FTP sites.  \n \n \t141.214.4.135 (projects\/otis), the UWI site\n\t\t\n\tsunsite.unc.edu (\/pub\/multimedia\/pictures\/OTIS), the SUNsite \n\t(you can also GOPHER to this site for OTIS as well)\n\nMerely \"anonymous FTP\" to either site on Internet and change to the\nappropriate directory.  Don't forget to get busy and use the \"bin\"\ncommand to make sure you're in binary.\n\nOTIS has also been spreading to some dial-up BBS systems around North\nAmerica....the following systems have a substancial supply of\nOTIStuff...\n\tUnderground Cafe (Omaha) (402.339.0179) 2 lines\n\tCyberDen (SanFran?) (415.472.5527)  Usenet Waffle-iron\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------\n \nHOW DO YOU CONTRIBUTE?\n              \nWhat happens is...you draw a pretty picture or take a lovely   \nphoto, get it scanned into an image file, then either FTP-put\nit in the CONTRIB\/Incoming directory or use UUENCODE to send it to me\n(email addresses at eof) in email.  After the image is received,\nit will be put into the correct directory.  Computer originated works\nare also welcome.\n\nOTIS' directories house two types of image files, GIF and JPG.  \nGIF and JPG files require, oddly enough, a GIF or JPG viewer to \nsee.  These viewers are available for all types of computers at \nmost large FTP sites around Internet.  JPG viewers are a bit\ntougher to find.  If you can't find one, but do have a GIF viewer,  \nyou can obtain a JPG-to-GIF conversion program which will change    \nJPG files to a standard GIF format. \n\nOTIS also accepts animation files.      \n\nWhen you submit image files, please send me email at the same time\nstating information about what you uploaded and whether it is to be\nused (in publications or other projects) or if it is merely for people\nto view.  Also, include some biographical information on yourself, we'll\nbe having info-files on each contributing artist and their works.  You \ncan also just upload a text-file of info about yourself (instead of \nemailing).\n\nIf you have pictures, but no scanner, there is hope.  Merely send\ncopies to:\n\nThe OTIS Project\nc\/o Ed Stastny\nPO BX 241113\nOmaha, NE 68124-1113\n\nI will either scan them myself or get them to someone who will  \nscan them.  Include an ample SASE if you want your stuff back.  \nAlso include information on each image, preferably a 1-3 line \ndescription of the image that we can include in the infofile in the\ndirectory where it's finally put.  If you have preferences as to what\nthe images are to be named, include those as well.  \n \nConversely, if you have a scanner and would like to help out, please\ncontact me and we'll arrange things.\n\nIf you want to submit your works by disk, peachy.  Merely send a 3.5\"\ndisk to the above address (Omaha) and a SASE if you want your disk back.\nThis is good for people who don't have direct access to encoders or FTP,\nbut do have access to a scanner.  We accept disks in either Mac or IBM\ncompatible format.  If possible, please submit image files as GIF or\nJPG.  If you can't...we can convert from most formats...we'd just rather\nnot have to.\n\nAt senders request, we can also fill disks with as much OTIS as they\ncan stand.  Even if you don't have stuff to contribute, you can send\na blank disk and an SASE (or $2.50 for disk, postage and packing) to \nget a slab-o-OTIS.\n\nAs of 04\/21\/93, we're at about 18 megabytes of files, and growing.  \nEmail me for current archive size and directory.\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nDISTRIBUTION?\n\nThe images distributed by the OTIS project may be distributed freely   \non the condition that the original filename is kept and that it is\nnot altered in any way (save to convert from one image format to\nanother).  In fact, we encourage files to be distributed to local \nbulletin boards and such.  If you could, please transport the\nappropriate text files along with the images.  \n \nIt would also be nice if you'd send me a note when you did post images\nfrom OTIS to your local bbs.  I just want to keep track of them so\nparticipants can have some idea how widespread their stuff is.\n\nIt's the purpose of OTIS to get these images spread out as much as\npossible.  If you have the time, please upload a few to your favorite\nBBS system....or even just post this \"info-file\" there.  It would be\nkeen of you.\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nUSE?\n\nIf you want to use any of the works you find on the OTIS directory,\nyou'll have to check to see if permission has been granted and the \nstipulations of the permission (such as free copy of publication, or\nfull address credit).  You will either find this in the \".rm\" file for    \nthe image or series of images...or in the \"Artists\" directory under the \nArtists name.  If permission isn't explicitly given, then you'll have \nto contact the artist to ask for it.  If no info is available, email\nme (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu), and I'll get in contact with the artist for \nyou, or give you their contact information.\n \nWhen you DO use permitted work, it's always courteous to let the artist\nknow about it, perhaps even send them a free copy or some such\ncompensation for their files.\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nNAMING IMAGES?\n\nPlease keep the names of your files in \"dos\" format.  That means, keep\nthe filename (before .jpg or .gif) to eight characters or less.  The way\nI usually do it is to use the initials of the artist, plus a three or\nfour digit \"code\" for the series of images, plus the series number.\nThus, Leonardo DeVinci's fifth mechanical drawing would be something\nlike:\n \n\tldmek5.gif     OR    ldmek5.jpg    OR    ldmech5.gif   ETC\n\nKeeping the names under 8 characters assures that the filename will\nremain intact on all systems.  \n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------- \n\nCREATING IMAGE FILES?\n\nWhen creating image files, be sure to at least include your name\nsomewhere on or below the picture.  This gives people a reference in\ncase they'd like to contact you.  You may also want to include a title,\naddress or other information you'd like people to know.\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nHMMM?!\n\nThat's about it for now.  More \"guidelines\" will be added as needed.\nYour input is expected.\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nDISCLAIMER:  The OTIS Project has no connection to the Church of OTIS  \n \t     (a sumerian deity) or it's followers, be they pope, priest,\n\t     or ezine administrator.  We do take sacrifices and donations\n\t     however.\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nDISCLAIMER:  The OTIS Project is here for the distribution of original \n \t     image files.  The files will go to the public at large.  \n\t     It's possible, as with any form of mass-media, that someone\n\t     could unscrupulously use your images for financial gain.  \n    \t     Unless you've given permission for that, it's illegal.  OTIS\n\t     takes no responsibility for this.  In simple terms, all rights\n\t     revert to the author\/artist.  To leave an image on OTIS is to \n\t     give permission for it to be viewed, copied and distributed \n\t     electronically.  If you don't want your images distributed     \n\t     all-over, don't upload them.  To leave an image on OTIS is\n\t     NOT giving permission to have it used in any publication or\n\t     broadcast that incurs profit (this includes, but is not \n\t     limited to, magazines, newsletters, clip-art software,        \n\t     screen-printed clothing, etc).  You must give specific\n\t     permission for this sort of usage.  \n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nRemember, the operative term is \"stimulate\".  If you know of people\nthat'd be interested in this sort of thing...get them involved...kick'm\nin the booty....offer them free food...whatever...\n\n....e  (ed@cwis.unomaha.edu)\n       (ed@sunsite.unc.edu)\n\n--\nEd Stastny           | OTIS Project, END PROCESS, SOUND News and Arts \nPO BX 241113\t     | FTP: sunsite.unc.edu (\/pub\/multimedia\/pictures\/OTIS)\nOmaha, NE 68124-1113 |      141.214.4.135 (projects\/otis)\n---------------------- EMail: ed@cwis.unomaha.edu, ed@sunsite.unc.edu\n","701":"From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)\nSubject: Re: Riceburner Respect\nArticle-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.200429.21424\nOrganization: Western Washington University\n \n  The 250 ninja and XL 250 got ridden all winter long.  I always wave.  I\nLines: 13\n\nam amazed at the number of Harley riders who ARE waving even to a lowly\nbaby ninja.  Let's keep up the good attitudes.  Brock Yates said in this\nmonths Car and Driver he is ready for a war (against those who would rather\nwe all rode busses).  We bikers should be too.\n\nIt's a freedom that we all wanna know\nand it's an obsession to some\nto keep the world in your rearview mirror\nwhile you try to run down the sun\n\n\"Wheels\" by Rhestless Heart\nMarty O.\n87 250 ninja\n73 XL 250 Motosport\n","702":"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)\nSubject: Re: THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY\nOrganization: Brought to you by the numbers 2, 3, and 7\nIn-Reply-To: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 18:23:27 -0400\nNntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com\nLines: 62\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.182327.3420@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:\n\t[Prof. Denning's description of SkipJack mostly omitted]\n\n\tCHIP STRUCTURE\n\tThe Clipper Chip contains a classified 64-bit block encryption\n\talgorithm called \"Skipjack.\"  The algorithm uses 80 bit keys (compared\n\twith 56 for the DES) and has 32 rounds of scrambling (compared with 16\n\tfor the DES).  It supports all 4 DES modes of operation.  Throughput is\n\t16 Mbits a second. [...]\n\n\tF, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips\n\tN, a 30-bit serial number\n\tU, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted\n\t\t with the chip\n\tThe key K and message stream M (i.e., digitized voice) are then\n\tfed into the Clipper Chip to produce two values:\n\n  \t   E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and \n\t   E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement block.  \n\nThree questions:\n1) It looks like each 64 bits of input gives you 4*64 bits of output:\n\t\tE[M;K] = 64 bits\n\t\tE[K;U] = E[ 80 bits ] = 128 bits\n\t\tE[ E[K;U], N ; F ] = E[ 128 + 30 bits ] = 192 bits\n   Do you really need to transmit all 256 bits each time,\n   or do you only transmit the 192 bits of wiretap block at the beginning?   \n   All 256 would be really obnoxious for bandwidth-limited applications\n   like cellular phones (or even regular phones over \n\n2) how do the 4 DES modes interact with the two-part output?\n   Do the various feedback modes only apply to the message block,\n   or also to the wiretap block?  Or, if the wiretap block is only\n   transmitted at the beginning, does it get incorporated into\n   everything through feedback modes, but not during ECB mode?\n\n3) Does the Clipper Chip check the wiretap block itself?\n   Does the block have to be present at all?\n   Since the receiving chip doesn't know the transmitter's U,\n   it presumably can't check the validity of E[K;U], so it's \n   limited to checking the *form* of the wiretap block,\n   and maybe checking the serial number for reasonableness\n   (unless there's some sort of back-door structure that lets\n   it recognize a valid E[K;U].)\n   \n   In that case, can you replace the wiretap block with a DIFFERENT\n   wiretap block, presumably an old valid one to avoid attracting attention?\n   (The chip won't do it, so you postprocess the output.)\n   Regular people can do one with their own serial number and a dummy key;\n   paranoid people can use someone else's serial number.\n\n   On the other hand, if I could think of that solution so easily,\n   presumably the NSA could too - have they done something to block it,\n   like use message encryption that's really E[M; K,U,N] ?\n\n\n\tThanks!\n--\n#\t\t\t\tPray for peace;      Bill\n# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ\n#\t              No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....\n# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111  fax 1-202-456-2461\n","703":"From: sdr@llnl.gov (Dakota)\nSubject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones ..............\nOrganization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: eet1477-10780-t1477r1104.llnl.gov\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> \npk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:\n> My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she \nhas no\n> medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.\n> \n> My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least \nmitigate\n> their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to \nliterature,\n> etc...)\n> \n> Thank you,\n> \n> Dave Carvell\n> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu\n\nFirst, let me offer you my condolences.  I've had kidney stones 4 times \nand I know the pain she is going through.  First, it is best that she see \na doctor.  However, every time I had kidney stones, I saw my doctor and the\nonly thing they did was to prescribe some pain killers and medication for a\nurinary tract infection.  The pain killers did nothing for me...kidney stones\nare extremely painful.  My stones were judged passable, so we just waited it\nout.  However the last one took 10 days to pass...not fun.  Anyway, if she\nabsolutely won't see a doctor, I suggest drinking lots of fluids and perhaps\nan over the counter sleeping pill.  But, I do highly suggest seeing a doctor.\nKidney stones are not something to fool around with.  She should be x-rayed \nto make sure there is not a serious problem.\n\nSteve\n","704":"From: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (PIEMAN)\nSubject: MacPlus Home brew Acceler question??\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu\nReply-To: arp0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\nLines: 16\n\nha... all this talk about changing the clock speed of the q700 makes me ask??\n if i replaced the 8mhz 68000 in my plus with a 16mhz 68000 with a 16mhz\nclock occilater of its own( not shared by the rest of the mac... just the new\n16mhz68000)  would my mac work..... and if it would work.. would you think there\nwhere be any problems with sound, vidio,scsi........\n\nit seems like a simple solution to keepa dead slow mechine a\nlive a little longer..\n   Oh if this would not work any idears on how to make it work???\n\t\tthanks\n\t\t\n\t\t alex\n\nARP0150@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\n\n\n","705":"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: Professors Whining About Pay\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <1qf2kqINNrkd@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:\n> In article <15320@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n> |>In article <1q4k3bINNe6k@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, fogarty@sir-c.jpl.nasa.gov (Tim Fogarty) writes:\n> |>> In article <15307@optilink.COM>, cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n# |## |#2. Professors get summers off; industry employees don't.\n# |## \n# |## What professor gets the summer off ?  The primary purpose of a professor\n# |## at a university is to publish.  Teaching is secondary.  The summer\n# |## is when professors are able to do the research required for their\n# |## papers.\n# |#\n# |#I'm told by my advisor that only at some universities is publishing\n# |#the primary emphasis; many professors in the Cal State University\n# |#system don't publish at all.  Those that prefer teaching are under\n# |#no pressure to publish.\n# |#\n# \n# When discussing and issue, it helps that all participants use the same\n# definitions, although this rarely occurs on Usenet.\n# \n# When I use the term \"university\", I think of an organization that has\n# a Bachelors, Masters, and PhD program.  I believe that Cal State schools\n# do not.  I call them colleges.  UC schools are universities.  At a univeristy\n# the number one goal is to publish.\n\nCal State University system offers bachlors and masters degrees.  The\nPh.D. is not offered, because of opposition from UC.\n\n# At the Cal State schools, do the professors you speak of have PhDs?  At\n\nNearly all the professors have PhDs.  I haven't had a professor who didn't,\nthough my wife has had a couple of professors with just an M.A.  A friend\nhad an instructor who didn't have a degree at all, but because he had\nbeen Minister of Culture for the Black Panthers, he was teaching anyway.\nHe had a bad habit of usually not showing up to teach the class, and\nfinally quit in disgust at the racism of a university that expected him\nto show up to teach.\n\n# a university you have professors with PhDs and then Teaching Assistants (TAs).\n# TAs were the slave labor, graduate students who got their tuition paid, and\n# a few hundred a month for living expenses in exchange for doing all the grunt\n# work.  The professors taught the lectures, with 100 to 500 students per class,\n# then the TAs taught the labs, with 20 to 30 per class.\n# \n# Tim Fogarty (FOGARTY@SIR-C.JPL.NASA.GOV)\n\nAt Sonoma State University, typical class size is 20 to 30 per class.\nTeaching is definitely more the goal, and sometimes, it actually happens.\nThe best professors at Sonoma State U. are equivalent to the best \nprofessors I had at UCLA and USC.\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n","706":"From: dyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young)\nSubject: Drawing Lines (inverse\/xor)\nOrganization: MIT Media Laboratory\nLines: 40\n\nI'm trying to write some code that lets me draw lines and do rubber-band\nboxes in Motif\/X.  I'm running on an 8-bit display for which I've created a\ncolormap and am using almost all of the colors.  I want to draw the lines\nin a drawing area widget -- a widget in which I'm displaying a bitmap using\nXPutImage().  If doesn't matter if the lines I draw interactively stay\naround when the window is refreshed.\n\nCurrently, to draw interactively, I begin with:\n\n   \/* drawIndex is an colortable index I reserve for the Foreground *\/\n   \/* my_default_bg_color is the color index for the background of my image *\/\n   palette_colors[drawIndex].red =   palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].red;\n   palette_colors[drawIndex].green = palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].green;\n   palette_colors[drawIndex].blue =  palette_colors[my_default_bg_color].blue;\n   XStoreColors( myDisplay, my_cmap, &palette_colors[DrawIndex], 1);\n   XFlush( myDisplay);\n\n   XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXxor);\n   XSetForeground( myDisplay, gc, drawIndex);\n\nThen to draw I do:\n\n   XDrawLine( myDisplay, XtWindow( drawingArea1), gc, x1, y1, x2, y2);\n   XFlush( myDisplay);\n\nAnd when I'm all done, to return things to normal I do:\n\n   XSetFunction( myDisplay, gc, GXcopy);\n\n\nWhat I'd like to happen is for the lines I draw to be the inverse of\nwhatever I'm drawing over.  Instead what happens is I get white lines.  If\nthe lines are over a white background - nothing shows up.  If the lines are\nover a black area - nothing shows up!  It's very strange.  But the GXxor\nfunction seems right - since if I do a rubber-banding box, it erases and\nredraws itself correctly (ie. not disturbing the underlying image).\n\nAny suggestions what I'm doing wrong?\n\ndavid\n","707":"From: ejalbert@husc3.harvard.edu\nSubject: Re: Monophysites and Mike Walker\nOrganization: Harvard University Science Center\nLines: 113\n\nIn article <May.6.00.34.58.1993.15426@geneva.rutgers.edu>, db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:\n>>\t\t- Mike Walker \n>> \n>>[If you are using the standard formula of fully God and fully human,\n>>that I'm not sure why you object to saying that Jesus was human.  I\n>>think the usual analysis would be that sin is not part of the basic\n>>definition of humanity.  It's a consequence of the fall.  Jesus is\n>>human, but not a fallen human.  --clh]\n> \nI differ with our moderator on this.  I thought the whole idea of God coming\ndown to earth to live as one of us \"subject to sin and death\" (as one of\nthe consecration prayers in the Book of Common Prayer (1979) puts it) was\nthat Jesus was tempted, but did not succumb.  If sin is not part of the\nbasic definition of humanity, then Jesus \"fully human\" (Nicea) would not\nbe \"subject to sin\", but then the Resurrection loses some of its meaning,\nbecause we encounter our humanity most powerfully when we sin.  To distinguish\nbetween \"human\" and \"fallen human\" makes Jesus less like one of us at the\ntime we need him most.\n\n> [These issues get mighty subtle.  When you see people saying different\n> things it's often hard to tell whether they really mean seriously\n> different things, or whether they are using different terminology.  I\n> don't think there's any question that there is a problem with\n> Nestorius, and I would agree that the saying Christ had a human form\n> without a real human nature or will is heretical.  But I'd like to be\n> a bit wary about the Copts, Armenians, etc.  Recent discussions\n> suggest that their monophysite position may not be as far from\n> orthodoxy as many had thought.  Nestorius was an extreme\n> representative of one of the two major schools of thought.  More\n> moderate representatives were regarded as orthodox, e.g. Theodore of\n> Mopsuestia.  My impression is that the modern monophysite groups\n> inherit the entire tradition, not just Nestorius' version, and that\n> some of them may have a sufficient balanced position to be regarded as\n> orthodox.  --clh]\n\nFirst, the Monophysites inherited none of Nestorius's version -- they \nwere on the opposite end of the spectrum from him.  Second, the historical\nrecord suggests that the positions attributed to Nestorius were not as\nextreme as his (successful) opponents (who wrote the conventional history)\nclaimed.  Mainly Nestorius opposed the term Theotokos for Mary, arguing\n(I think correctly) that a human could not be called Mother of God.  I mean,\nin the Athanasian Creed we talk about the Son \"uncreate\" -- surely even \nArians would concede that Jesus existed long before Mary.  Anyway, Nestorius's\nopponents claimed that by saying Mary was not Theotokos, that he claimed\nthat she only gave birth to the human nature of Jesus, which would require\ntwo seperate and distinct natures.  The argument fails though, because\nMary simply gave birth to Jesus, who preexisted her either divinely,\nif you accept \"Nestorianism\" as commonly defined, or both natures intertwined,\na la Chalcedon.\n\nSecond, I am not sure that \"Nestorianism\" is not a better alternative than\nthe orthodox view.  After all, I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation\nthat Jesus's human nature was in heaven; likewise post-Ascension.  I think\nrather that God came to earth and took our nature upon him.  It was a seperate\nnature, capable of being tempted as in Gethsemane (since I believe the divine\nnature could never be tempted) but in its moments of weakness the divine nature\nprevailed.\n\nComments on the above warmly appreciated.\n\nJason Albert\n\n[There may be differences in what we mean by \"subject to sin\".  The\noriginal complaint was from someone who didn't see how we could call\nJesus fully human, because he didn't sin.  I completely agree that\nJesus was subject to temptation.  I simply object to the idea that by\nnot succumbing, he is thereby not fully human.  I believe that you do\nnot have to sin in order to be human.\n\nI again apologize for confusing Nestorianism and monophysitism.  I\nagree with you, and have said elsewhere, that there's reason to think\nthat not everyone who is associated with heretical positions was in\nfact heretical.  There are scholars who maintain that Nestorius was\nnot Nestorian.  I have to confess that the first time I read some of\nthe correspondence between Nestorius and his opponents, I thought he\ngot the better of them.\n\nHowever, most scholars do believe that the work that eventually led to\nChalcedon was an advance, and that Nestorius was at the very least\n\"rash and dogmatic\" (as the editor of \"The Christological Controversy\"\nrefers to him) in rejecting all approaches other than his own.  As\nregular Usenet readers know, narrowness can be just as much an\nimpediment as being wrong.  Furthermore, he did say some things that I\nthink are problematical.  He responds to a rather mild letter from\nCyril with a flame worthy of Usenet.  In it he says \"To attribute also\nto [the Logos], in the name of [the incarnation] the characteristics\nof the flesh that has been conjoined with him ... is, my brother,\neither the work of a mind which truly errs in the fashion of the\nGreeks or that of a mind diseased with the insane heresy of Arius and\nApollinaris and the others.  Those who are thus carried away with the\nidea of this association are bound, because of it, to make the divine\nLogos have a part in being fed with milk and participate to some\ndegree in growh and stand in need of angelic assistance because of his\nfearfulness ...  These things are taken falsely when they are put off\non the deity and they become the occasion of just condemnation for us\nwho perpetrate the falsehood.\"\n\nIt's all well and good to maintain a proper distinction between\nhumanity and divinity.  But the whole concept of incarnation is based\non exactly the idea that the divine Logos does in fact have \"to some\ndegree\" a part in being born, growing up, and dying.  Of course it\nmust be understood that there's a certain indirectness in the Logos'\nparticipation in these things.  But there must be some sort of\nidentification between the divine and human, or we don't have an\nincarnation at all.  Nestorius seemed to think in black and white\nterms, and missed the sorts of nuances one needs to deal with this\narea.\n\nYou say \"I find it hard to believe that pre-Incarnation that Jesus's\nhuman nature was in heaven.\"  I don't think that's required by\northodox doctrine.  It's the divine Logos that is eternal.\n\n--clh]\n","708":"From: detroch@imec.be (Stefan De Troch)\nSubject: virtual mwm ? \nNntp-Posting-Host: nemesis\nReply-To: detroch@imec.be\nOrganization: IMEC, Kapeldreef 75  3001 Leuven  Belgium\nLines: 12\n\n\n-- \nHi netland,\n\nI thought that I once read about the existance of a virtual mwm like vtwm.\nOn the usual ftp sites (gatakeeper.dec.com, export.lcs.mit.edu) I can't find\nany trace of this program. Could anybody give me a hint where to find this\nprogram or confirm\/deny the existance of this program.\n\nRegards,\n\n  Stefan\n","709":"From: weber@sipi.usc.edu (Allan G. Weber)\nSubject: Need help with Mitsubishi P78U image printer\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 26\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sipi.usc.edu\n\nOur group recently bought a Mitsubishi P78U video printer and I could use some\nhelp with it.  We bought this thing because it (1) has a parallel data input in\naddition to the usual video signal inputs and (2) claimed to print 256 gray\nlevel images.  However, the manual that came with it only describes how to\nformat the parallel data to print 1 and 4 bit\/pixel images.  After some initial\nproblems with the parallel interface I now have this thing running from a\nparallel port of an Hewlett-Packard workstation and I can print 1 and 4\nbit\/pixel images just fine.  I called the Mitsubishi people and asked about the\n256 level claim and they said that was only available when used with the video\nsignal inputs.  This was not mentioned in the sales literature.  However they\ndid say the P78U can do 6 bit\/pixel (64 level) images in parallel mode, but\nthey didn't have any information about how to program it to do so, and they\nwould call Japan, etc.\n\nFrankly, I find it hard to believe that if this thing can do 8 bit\/pixel images\nfrom the video source, it can't store 8 bits\/pixel in the memory.  It's not\nlike memory is that expensive any more.  If anybody has any information on\ngetting 6 bit\/pixel (or even 8 bit\/pixel) images out of this thing, I would\ngreatly appreciate your sending it to me.\n\nThanks.\n\nAllan Weber\nSignal & Image Processing Institute\nUniversity of Southern California\nweber@sipi.usc.edu\n","710":"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)\nSubject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:\n>\n>Greetings!\n>      \n>        Situation:  I have a phone jack mounted on a wall.  I don't\n>                    know the number of the line.  And I don't want\n>                    to call up the operator to place a trace on it.\n>\n>        Question:   Is there a certain device out there that I can\n>                    use to find out the number to the line?\n\n\nCall a friend long distance, collect.  Ask to speak with yourself.  When\nthe operator asks for you, you won't be there, so ask the operator to leave\nyour number.  She'll read it out in the clear.\n--scott\n","711":"From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)\nSubject: HDF readers\/viewers\nOrganization: Australian National University, Canberra\nLines: 33\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35\nOriginator: markus@octavia\n\n\n\nG'day all,\n\nCan anybody point me at a utility which will read\/convert\/crop\/whatnot\/\ndisplay HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA \nand it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage\napproaches and minimalist documentation :-)\n\nPart of the problem is that I want to look at large (5MB+) HDF files and\ncrop out a section. Ideally I would like a hdftoppm type of utility, from\nwhich I can then use the PBMplus stuff quite merrily. I can convert the cropped\npart into another format for viewing\/animation.\n\nOtherwise, can someone please explain how to set up the NCSA Visualisation S\/W\nfor HDF (3.2.r5 or 3.3beta) and do the above cropping\/etc. This is for\nSuns with SunOS 4.1.2.\n\nAny help GREATLY appreciated. Ta muchly !\n\nCheers,\n\tMarkus\n\n-- \nMarkus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility\nemail = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au\nAustralian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia.\n[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]\n-- \nMarkus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility\nemail = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au\nAustralian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia.\n[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]\n","712":"Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nFrom: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.\nNntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com\nLines: 33\n\nIn <strnlghtC5uIJ4.76t@netcom.com> strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:\n\n>In article <ELEE9SF.93Apr21095141@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU>\n>elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes:\n\n>>\n>>Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an \"open system\" from\n>>elsewhere?\n\n>Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was\n>more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like\n>to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my\n>services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid\n>information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments\n>which would aid them.\n\n>I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities.\n>The President and many other senior government officials have made it very\n>clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the\n>\"coincidence of interests\" argument as well as on a basic trust in their\n>professionalism and a high confidence in their skills.\n\n>David\n>-- \n>David Sternlight         Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n>                         our information, errors and omissions excepted.  \n\nNothing but errors and omissions here!\n\n--\nArthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments\/Brea\n216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)\nMy opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.\n","713":"From: tomk@skywalker.bocaraton.ibm.com (Thomas Chun-Hong Kok)\nSubject: Re: Hypercard for UNIX\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.114028.17633@bernina.ethz.ch>, queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) writes:\n> Hi netlanders,\n> \n> Does anybody know if there is something like Macintosh Hypercard for any UNIX \n> platform?\n> \n> \n> Thanks in advance\n> \n> \n> Ron.\n\n-- \n\nTry MetaCard - a HyperCard-like programming environment on X.\n\n\nChun Hong\n","714":"From: cobra@ravel.udel.edu (KING COBRA)\nSubject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats\/results)\nNntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <ofnmaO_00iV1A6kYd2@andrew.cmu.edu> Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at\n>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and\n>excellent forwards and defensemen.  Shooter in Richer, an all around do\n>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play\n>captain-Stevens.  Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see\n>for yourselves.\n\n  Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think\n  all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams\n  before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had\n  expected.\n\n  COBRA\n\n\n\n*******************************************************************************\n**   ___  ____  ____  ____  ____  **                                         **\n**  \/    \/   \/ \/___\/ \/___\/ \/___\/  **   Sex is not the answer, sex is the     **\n** \/___ \/___\/ \/___\/ \/ \\_  \/   \/   **   question. Yes is the answer.          **\n**                                **                                         **\n** E-mail: cobra@chopin.udel.edu  **                                         **\n**                                **                                         **\n*******************************************************************************\n\n","715":"From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nReply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 22\n\nIn a previous article, mhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu) says:\n\n>\n>Well the argument usually stops right there.  In the end,\n>aren't we all just kids, groping for the truth?  If so, do we have\n>the authority to declare all other beliefs besides our own as\n>false?\n>\n\nIf I don't think my belief is right and everyone else's belief is wrong,\nthen I don't have a belief. This is simply what belief means. Where does\nthe authority for a belief come from? Nowhere, for a belief is itself\nauthoratative. If I produce authority for a belief, where will I find\nauthority for my belief in the legitimacy of the authority. In short, \nthe mind has to start somewhere. (By the way, the majority of Christians,\ni.e. Catholics, believe in the authority of the Church, and derive the\nauthority of the Bible from its acceptance by the Church.)\n-- \n==============================================================================\nMark Baker                  | \"The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but \naa888@Freenet.carleton.ca   | to irrigate deserts.\" -- C. S. Lewis\n==============================================================================\n","716":"From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.\nLines: 51\nIn-Reply-To: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu's message of Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:32:04 GMT\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24\n\nIn <C5L1tG.K5q@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu writes:\n\n> If some society came up with a good reason for why rape and murder are ok I \n> would be consistent with my position and hold that it was still wrong.  My \n> basis of morality is not on societal norms, or on current legalities.  My\n> basis is, surprise surprise, on both the Bible and on inherent moral\n> abhorrences,\n\n      AH! But what, exactly, is \"inherently abhorrent\" and WHY is it so?\nWhat you're saying is, in effect, \"I think some things are repulsive,\nand I know a whole bunch of other people who agree with me, so they\nshould be deemed absolutely immoral now and forever, period\".\n\n      Which in and of itself is nice enough; to some extent I agree with\nyou. But I do _not_ agree that things are 'inherently' or 'absolutely'\nimmoral; they are labeled 'immoral' each for its own good reason, and if\nthe reason can even theoretically change, then so can the label.\n\n[...]\n> Yes, that's vague, and the only way I know off the top of my head to\n> defend it is to say that all humans are similarly made. Yes, that falls\n> into the trap of creation,\n\n      No it doesn't. Humans are to some extent similar, because we all\nbelong to the same species; that that species has evolved is another\nstory altogether. To a certain extent evolution can even lend credence\nto moral absolutism (of a flavour).\n\n[...]\n> My arguments are that it is better to exhibit trust, goodness, \n> love, respect, courage, and honesty in any society rather than deceipt,\n> hatred, disrespect, \"cowardness\", and dishonesty.\n\n      You're saying morality is what'll keep society alive and kicking.\nIt is, I think, up to a point; but societies are not all alike, and\nneither are their moralities.\n\n> No, I haven't been everywhere and \n> seen everyone, but, according to my thesis, I don't have to, since I hold that\n> we were all created similarly.\n\n      Similar != identical.\n\n> If that makes an unfalsifiable thesis, just say\n> so, and I'll both work out what I can and punt to fellow theists.\n\n      No, it's falsifiable through finding someoe who was \"created\ndifferent\", whatever that might be in the \"real\" world.\n\n-- \n  Disclaimer?   \"It's great to be young and insane!\"\n","717":"From: pauls@trsvax.tandy.com\nSubject: Re: Need Info on DSP project\nNf-ID: #R:ee.ualberta.ca:735344986:trsvax:288200082:000:164\nNf-From: trsvax.tandy.com!pauls    Apr 21 09:31:00 1993\nLines: 6\n\n\nMotorola has a good app note on a 10 band equalizer using a 56000 DSP. It\ncould be easily ported to an Ariel board, or even a Turtle Beach 56K\ndevelopment system.\n\n\n","718":"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: National Association for the Disorganized\nLines: 35\n\nmhsu@lonestar.utsa.edu (Melinda . Hsu   ) writes:\n\n>I'd like to share my thoughts on this topic of \"arrogance of\n>Christians\" and look forward to any responses.  In my\n>encounters with Christians, I find myself dismayed by their\n>belief that their faith is total truth.  According to them,\n>their beliefs come from the Bible and the bible is the word of\n>God and God is truth - thus they know the truth.  This stance\n>makes it difficult to discuss other faiths with them and my own\n>hesitations about Christianity because they see no other way.\n>Their way is the 'truth.'\n\n>But I see their faith arising from a willful choice to believe\n>a particular way.  That choice is part faith and part reason,\n>but it seems to me a choice.\n\n  >[I'm sort of mystified about how a Christian might respond to this.]\n\n  I'll start with a parable.\n \n  A Christian woman hires a carpenter to build her a birdhouse.  When he comes\nover, they begin talking about religion.  \"So you believe that you understand\nGod?\" he asks.  \"Yes, I do,\" she replies.  \"Then have him build you the \nbirdhouse.\"\n\n  I don't think that Melinda is complaining about the basis of Christian \nbelief.  However, there is a tendency among Christians to say, \"I have all the \nanswers because God gave them to me.\"  This is simply not the case.\n  I believe that the Bible is inerrant.  However, our HUMAN interpretations of\nthe Bible are necessarily in error, because we are human and imperfect.  We\nhave to remember that we ALL make mistakes in faith, and that because we are\nhuman we have an imperfect understanding of the mind and will of God.  To\nclaim, as so many people do, that the existence of the Bible allows us to\ndetermine the answers to all questions is to claim that we humans can fully\nunderstand God's will.  This is hubris.\n","719":"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: National Association for the Disorganized\nLines: 20\n\ncobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:\n\n>If I talk with an atheist and tell him the New Testament is an historically \n>reliable document, what reasons would I give him?\n\n  I have found that this isn't a very effective argument.  Most atheists are\nperfectly willing to acknowledge the existence and ministry of Jesus--but are\nquite capable of rationalizing the miracles and the resurrection into \nmisunderstandings, hoaxes, or simple fabrications.  They can always make an\nanalogy with the _Iliad_, a book that tells the story of the historical Trojan\nWar, but also talks about gods and goddesses and their conversations.\n  I don't think it's possible to convince atheists of the validity of \nChristianity through argument.  We have to help foster faith and an\nunderstanding of God.  I could be wrong--are there any former atheists here who\nwere led to Christianity by argument?\n\nAlan Terlep\t\t\t\t    \"Incestuous vituperousness\"\nOakland University, Rochester, MI\t\t\t\natterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu\t\t\t\t   --Melissa Eggertsen\nRushing in where angels fear to tread.\t\t\n","720":"From: joel@math.toronto.edu (Joel Chan)\nSubject: Game Score Report\nOrganization: Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto\nLines: 12\n\nJust out of curiosity, what happened to the weekly AL and NL Game\nScore Reports?  I used to enjoy reading them throughout the summer\nfor the last two years.\n\nInquisitively yours,\n\nJoel\n-- \nJoel Chan <joel@math.toronto.edu>, Dept. of Mathematics, University of Toronto\nToronto Blue Jays -- 1992 World Series Champs!\n\"History: Those who ignore it are condemned to repeat it.  Math, too.\"\n\t\t\t\t\t- From the comic strip \"Betty\"\n","721":"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)\nSubject: 17 Apr 93   God's Promise in Luke 11:28\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 8\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\n\n\tBut he said,\n\tYea rather,\n\tblessed are they\n\tthat hear the word of God,\n\tand keep it.\n\n\tLuke 11:28\n","722":"From: andyh@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu (Andrew J. Huang)\nSubject: Re: Quick question\nKeywords: Removing panels.\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.211457.12789@ole.cdac.com> ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate) writes:\n> How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside\n>on an '87 Honda Prelude?  The speaker went scratchy, and I want\n>to access its pins.\n>\n\nThere is something going on here.  It seems that once a month, the VW\ngroup must have get a specific detailed question about Hondas.  I\nwould like to ask that next month we get one about Hyundai instead of\nHonda.  Thank you.\n\n-andy\n","723":"From: jonas-y@isy.liu.se (Jonas Yngvesson)\nSubject: Re: Point within a polygon\nKeywords: point, polygon\nOrganization: Dept of EE, University of Linkoping\nLines: 129\n\nscrowe@hemel.bull.co.uk (Simon Crowe) writes:\n\n>I am looking for an algorithm to determine if a given point is bound by a \n>polygon. Does anyone have any such code or a reference to book containing\n>information on the subject ?\n\nWell, it's been a while since this was discussed so i take the liberty of\nreprinting (without permission, so sue me) Eric Haines reprint of the very\ninteresting discussion of this topic...\n\n                \/Jonas\n\n                         O \/         \\ O\n------------------------- X snip snip X ------------------------------\n                         O \\         \/ O\n\n\"Give a man a fish, and he'll eat one day.\nGive a man a fishing rod, and he'll laze around fishing and never do anything.\"\n\nWith that in mind, I reprint (without permission, so sue me) relevant\ninformation posted some years ago on this very problem.  Note the early use of\nPostScript technology, predating many of this year's papers listed in the\nApril 1st SIGGRAPH Program Announcement posted here a few days ago.\n\n-- Eric\n\n\nIntersection Between a Line and a Polygon (UNDECIDABLE??),\n\tby Dave Baraff, Tom Duff\n\n\tFrom: deb@charisma.graphics.cornell.edu\n\tNewsgroups: comp.graphics\n\tKeywords: P, NP, Jordan curve separation, Ursyhon Metrization Theorem\n\tOrganization: Program of Computer Graphics\n\nIn article [...] ncsmith@ndsuvax.UUCP (Timothy Lyle Smith) writes:\n>\n>  I need to find a formula\/algorithm to determine if a line intersects\n>  a polygon.  I would prefer a method that would do this in as little\n>  time as possible.  I need this for use in a forward raytracing\n>  program.\n\nI think that this is a very difficult problem.  To start with, lines and\npolygons are semi-algebraic sets which both contain uncountable number of\npoints.  Here are a few off-the-cuff ideas.\n\nFirst, we need to check if the line and the polygon are separated.  Now, the\nJordan curve separation theorem says that the polygon divides the plane into\nexactly two open (and thus non-compact) regions.  Thus, the line lies\ncompletely inside the polygon, the line lies completely outside the polygon,\nor possibly (but this will rarely happen) the line intersects the polyon.\n\nNow, the phrasing of this question says \"if a line intersects a polygon\", so\nthis is a decision problem.  One possibility (the decision model approach) is\nto reduce the question to some other (well known) problem Q, and then try to\nsolve Q.  An answer to Q gives an answer to the original decision problem.\n\nIn recent years, many geometric problems have been successfully modeled in a\nnew language called PostScript.  (See \"PostScript Language\", by Adobe Systems\nIncorporated, ISBN # 0-201-10179-3, co. 1985).\n\nSo, given a line L and a polygon P, we can write a PostScript program that\ndraws the line L and the polygon P, and then \"outputs\" the answer.  By\n\"output\", we mean the program executes a command called \"showpage\", which\nactually prints a page of paper containing the line and the polygon.  A quick\nexamination of the paper provides an answer to the reduced problem Q, and thus\nthe original problem.\n\nThere are two small problems with this approach. \n\n\t(1) There is an infinite number of ways to encode L and P into the\n\treduced problem Q.  So, we will be forced to invoke the Axiom of\n\tChoice (or equivalently, Zorn's Lemma).  But the use of the Axiom of\n\tChoice is not regarded in a very serious light these days.\n\n\t(2) More importantly, the question arises as to whether or not the\n\tPostScript program Q will actually output a piece of paper; or in\n\tother words, will it halt?\n\n\tNow, PostScript is expressive enough to encode everything that a\n\tTuring Machine might do; thus the halting problem (for PostScript) is\n\tundecidable.  It is quite possible that the original problem will turn\n\tout to be undecidable.\n\n\nI won't even begin to go into other difficulties, such as aliasing, finite\nprecision and running out of ink, paper or both.\n\nA couple of references might be:\n\n1. Principia Mathematica.  Newton, I.  Cambridge University Press, Cambridge,\n   England.  (Sorry, I don't have an ISBN# for this).\n\n2. An Introduction to Automata Theory, Languages, and Computation.  Hopcroft, J\n   and Ulman, J.\n\n3. The C Programming Language. Kernighan, B and Ritchie, D.\n\n4. A Tale of Two Cities. Dickens, C.\n\n--------\n\nFrom: td@alice.UUCP (Tom Duff)\nSummary: Overkill.\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill NJ\n\nThe situation is not nearly as bleak as Baraff suggests (he should know\nbetter, he's hung around The Labs for long enough).  By the well known\nDobbin-Dullman reduction (see J. Dullman & D. Dobbin, J. Comp. Obfusc.\n37,ii:  pp. 33-947, lemma 17(a)) line-polygon intersection can be reduced to\nHamiltonian Circuit, without(!) the use of Grobner bases, so LPI (to coin an\nacronym) is probably only NP-complete.  Besides, Turing-completeness will no\nlonger be a problem once our Cray-3 is delivered, since it will be able to\ncomplete an infinite loop in 4 milliseconds (with scatter-gather.)\n\n--------\n\nFrom: deb@svax.cs.cornell.edu (David Baraff)\n\nWell, sure its no worse than NP-complete, but that's ONLY if you restrict\nyourself to the case where the line satisfies a Lipschitz condition on its\nsecond derivative.  (I think there's an '89 SIGGRAPH paper from Caltech that\ndeals with this).\n\n--\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n J o n a s   Y n g v e s s o n          email: jonas-y@isy.liu.se\nDept. of Electrical Engineering\t        voice:  +46-(0)13-282162          \nUniversity of Linkoping, Sweden         fax  :  +46-(0)13-139282\n","724":"From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nReply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM AIX\/ESA Development, Kingston NY\nLines: 57\n\nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n>It sure does.  And it all depends on the definition that you use for \"better\".\n>Yours is based on what could have been and mine is based on what really\n>happened.\n\nWell, actually, most of ours is based on what really happened and yours is\nbased on some fantasy of how it happened. But that's OK, I understand you\nhave a hockey background. Stats like \"plus\/minus\" make RBI look good.\n\n>>Is it Viola's fault that Boston had no offense?  Is it *because* of Morris that\n>>the Blue Jays had such a strong offense?  Don't tell me that Morris has this\n>>magical ability to cause the offensive players to score more runs.\n>This is the perfect example of your problem.  You are isolating Viola's\n>contribution from the rest of the team's efforts.  You can only do\n>this if you can say for sure what the team would have done without \n>Viola.  Only then can you compare.  But you cannot know how the team\n>would have done without Viola.  Your analysis is fallacious.\n\nOK, how about a straigh answer, then. Here's a very simele question to which\nI'm sure a fair number of us are very interesed in the answer to. Please\nanswer yes or no, Roger:\n Can a pitcher cause the offensive players on his team to score more runs?\nAL only, please.\n\nFor anyone else following along, it is a well-known and demonstrable fact\nthat a team's win-loss record is closely related to the number of runs the\nteam scores and the number the team allows. It's not a definite,\nhard-and-fast function, but there is definitely a correlation. In fact, as a\nrule of thumb, if teams A and B both score X runs and team A allows Y runs,\nfor every 10 runs fewer than Y that team B allows, it will win another game.\nSo, for instance, if we look at the 1991 Toronto Blue Jays, we find that\nthey scored 780 runs and allowed 682, of which Morris allowed 114. All other\nthings being equal, if Frank Viola, with his 3.44 ERA had replaced Jack\nMorris for the 240.2 innings Morris threw (plausible, since Viola threw 238\nfor Boston), the \"Red Jays\" would have allowed about 15 fewer runs, or\nenough for 1-2 more wins. Now, that doesn't take into account that Viola\npitched half his innings in Fenway, which is a harder park to pitch in\n(particularly for a lefthander) than Skydome. So, um, Roger. Unless you\nreally do believe that a pitcher can somehow affect the number of runs\nhis team scores, could you enlighten us to the fallacy in this\nanalysis? Clearly, it would be foolhardy to claim that Viola would\nnecessarily have put up a 3.44 if he had been on the Jay last year, but\nthat is not the claim. We look at what the actual performances were and\nevaluate Viola's as better than Morris' in the sense that \"had Morris\nperformed as Viola did, his team would have been better off.\"\n\n>It takes an open mind to really truly understand what is happening out\n>here in the real world guys.\n\nThis is true, but not so open that your brain falls out.\n\n Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\n\nComputer...if you don't open that exit hatch this moment I shall zap straight\noff to your major data banks and reprogram you with a very large ax. Got\nthat?\n\t- Zaphod Beeblebrox\n","725":"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)\nSubject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)\nSummary: More on failed governments\nOrganization: Failed Libertarian Opportunities, Inc.\nLines: 24\nNntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com\n\nIn article <18APR199314034390@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...\n>> \n>:It would seem that a society with a \"failed\" government would be an ideal\n>:setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented.  Now why do you suppose\n>:that never seems to occur?...\n>\n>\n>I fail to see why you should feel this way in the first place.  Constant\n>combat isn't particularly conducive to intellectual theorizing.  Also,\n>they tend to get invaded before they can come to anything like a stable\n>society anyway. \n\nAnd the reason that the Soviet Union couldn't achieve the ideal of pure\ncommunism was the hostility of surrounding capitalist nations...Uh huh.\nSomehow, this all sounds familiar.  Once again, utopian dreams are \nconfronted by the real world...\n\n>\n>Mr. Grinch\n--\nSteve Hendricks                        |  DOMAIN:  steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM   \n\"One thing about data, it sure does cut|  UUCP:    ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh\n the bulls**t.\" - R. Hofferbert        |  Ma Bell: 509 838-8826\n","726":"From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\nSubject: mac portable ram problems; coprocessor not installed?\nOrganization: Jack's Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures\nLines: 18\n\nI just recently bought a 4 MB ram card for my original mac portable \n(backlit) and have since had some bizarre crashes. It happens when I put \nthe machine to sleep and wake the machine up. sometimes it will just \nfreeze the cursor and lock the machine up forcing me to push the reset \nswitch. Other times it will give me the usual bomb box with the error \nmessage of \"Co processor not installed\". \n\nI know one solution is NOT to put the machine to sleep, but does anyone \nhave any ideas on what could be causing this or better yet what might fix \nit? The memory card is Psuedostatic ram and goes into the PDS Slot. That \nprobably figures into the problem. the manufacturer is King Memory (Not \nkingston) from irvine, CA. They say the problem is in my machine. \n\nAny Ideas? -- Gene Wright.\n\n--\n     gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\n------------jackatak.raider.net   (615) 377-5980 ------------\n","727":"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Chris Mussack)\nSubject: Re: Atheist's views on Christianity (was: Re: \"Accepting Jeesus in your heart...\") - soc.religion.christian #16242\nReply-To: mussack@austin.ibm.com\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.22.1993.28397@athos.rutgers.edu>, trajan@cwis.unomaha.edu (Stephen McIntyre) writes:\n> norris@athena.mit.edu  writes:\n> > For example: why does the universe exist at all?  \n> \n> Must there be a \"why\" to this?  I ask because of what you also\n>      assume about God-- namely, that He just exists, with no \"why\"\n>      to His existence.  So the question is reversed, \"Why can't\n>      we assume the universe just exists as you assume God to\n>      \"just exist\"?  Why must there be a \"why\" to the universe?\"\n\nWhether there is a \"why\" or not we have to find it. This is Pascal's(?) wager.\nIf there is no why and we spend our lives searching, then we have merely\nwasted our lives, which were meaningless anyway. If there is a why and we\ndon't search for it, then we have wasted our potentially meaningful lives.\nSuppose the universe is 5 billion years old, and suppose it lasts another\n5 billion years. Suppose I live to be 100. That is nothing, that is so small\nthat it is scary. So by searching for the \"why\" along with my friends here\non earth if nothing else we aren't so scared.\n\nWhat if you woke up at a party, with no memory, and everyone was discussing\nwho the host might be? There might not be a host, you say. I say let's go\nfind him, the party's going to be over sometime, maybe he'll let us stay.\n\nBecause we recognize our own mortality we have to find the \"why\".\n\n> ...\n> Well, then, Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, Hinduism, Judaism,\n>      Zoerasterism, Shintoism, and Islam should fit this bit of logic\n>      quite nicely... :-)  All have depth, all have enduring values,\n>      thus all must be true...\n\nThis is a good point. But more of a good point for studying religion\nthan ignoring it. Some Christians disagree with me, but it is worthwhile\nto study different religions and philosophies and glean the truth from\nthem. To quote (of course out of context) \"Test everything and keep what is\ntrue.\"\n\nChris Mussack\n","728":"From: rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Gore throws out the first ball. And media coverage of it\nOriginator: rja@mahogany126\nLines: 37\nNntp-Posting-Host: mahogany126\nOrganization: The 1991 World Champion Minnesota Twins!\nDistribution: usa\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.093957.1213@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:\n> > \n> > In article <C5E2JA.849@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n> >> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for\n> >> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed.\n> >> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.)\n> >> \n> >> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except\n> >> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that\n> >> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to\n> >> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game.\n> >> \n> >> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the\n> >> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before.\n> > \n> > Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year.  (I was listening \n> > on the radio).  This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that\n> > he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS.\n> \n> It's come to this, has it?  Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle?\n\nWho compared Quayle to Gore?  Mark said he had never heard of any incident\nin which the thrower of the ceremonial ball had been booed before.  I mentioned\nanother incident.  (And if the media had a liberal bias, I'm sure he would\nhave heard of the Quayle incident.)\n\nIf I was to compare Quayle to anyone, it most likely would be Elmer Fudd.\n\n> I'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan.\n> dan-quayle!  Begone!\n\n-- \nRuss Anderson    |  Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect\n------------------              upon my employer or anyone else.  (c) 1993\nEX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)\n","729":"From: aldridge@netcom.com (Jacquelin Aldridge)\nSubject: Re: Good Grief! (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 121\n\ndyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer) writes:\n\n>In article <noringC5snsx.KMo@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:\n>>>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists.\n>>There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and\n>>published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics\n>>who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used.\n\n>Snort.  Ah, there go my sinuses again.\n\n>>For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book \"Sinus Survival\", always gives,\n\n>Oh, wow.  A classic textbook.  Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too!\n\n>>before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his\n>>new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times\n>>in the last two years.  He's kept a record of the results, and for over \n>>2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief\n>>of allergic\/sinus symptoms.  Of course, this is only the beginning for his\n>>program.\n\n>Yeah, I'll bet.  Tomorrow, the world.\n\n>Listen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless.\n\n>>In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic\n>>symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly \n>>written book):  e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which\n>>I never had before (started in November).  Within one week of full dosage\n>>of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can\n>>now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes.  I'm also\n>>*greatly* improved in other areas as well.\n\n>I'm sure you are.  You sound like the typical hysteric\/hypochondriac who\n>responds to \"miracle cures.\"\n\n>>Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc.  I am especially allergic to\n>>molds, yeasts, etc.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that\n>>if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a\n>>natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you\n>>would have perceptible symptoms.\n\n>Yeah, \"it makes sense to me\", so of course it should be taken seriously.\n>Snort.\n\n>>Also, yeast do produce toxins of various\n>>sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that\n>>such toxins can cause problems in some people.\n\n>Yeah, \"it sounds reasonable to me\".\n\n>>Of course, the $60,000\n>>question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was\n>>from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the\n>>stress of infections and allergies, etc.),\n\n>Oh, really?  _What_ tests?  Immune-compromised, my ass.\n>More like credulous malingerer.  This is a psychiatric syndrome.\n\n>>can develop excessive yeast\n>>colonization somewhere in the body.  It is a tough question to answer since\n>>testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy.  One almost has to\n>>take an empirical approach to diagnosis.  Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively\n>>safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's\n>>no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons.\n\n>You know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused\n>in this way.  It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic.\n>The trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks.\n\n>>BTW, some would say to try Nystatin.  Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae\n>>too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect.  You'll find\n>>a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time.\n\n>The only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap\n>and when taken orally, non-toxic.  But oral nystatin is without any\n>systemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without\n>any effect on your sinuses.  I wish these quacks would first use\n>IV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you.  That would solve\n>the \"yeast\" problem once and for all.\n\n>>In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep\n>>medicine on the right road.  But methinks that some who hold too firmly\n>>to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough\n>>actually treating patients.  If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my\n>>face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee\n>>their safety.  For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as\n>>far as I am concerned.\n\n>Perhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating\n>your symptoms.\n\n>Are you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket?  I'd hate\n>to think my insurance premiums are going towards this.\n\n>Steve Dyer\n\nDyer, you're rude. Medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour. It's\noften practiced in a disorganized manner. Most early treatment of\nnon-life threatening illness is done on a guess, hazarded after anecdotal\nevidence given by the patient. It's an educated guess, by a trained person,\nbut it's still no more than a guess.\nIt's cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those\npeople who don't respond.\n\nThere are diseases that haven't been described yet and the root cause of many\ndiseases now described aren't known. (Read a book on gastroenterology\nsometime if you want to see a lot of them.) After scientific methods have\nrun out then it's the patient's freedom of choice to try any experimental\nmethod they choose. And it's well recognized by many doctors that medicine\ndoesn't have all the answers.\n\nThis person said that they had relief by taking the medicine. Maybe it's a\nmiracle cure, maybe it's valid. How do you know?  \n\nYou might argue with the reasoning, the conclusions. But your disparaging\nattack is unwarranted. Why don't you present an convincing argument for you\nr beliefs, instead of wasting our time in an ad hominem attack.\n\n-Jackie-\n \n","730":"From: boyle@bbsls23.bnr (Ian Boyle)\nSubject: Re: What is \" Volvo \" ?\nOrganization: BNR Europe Ltd.\nLines: 20\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: boyle@bbsls23.bnr\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bbsls23.bnr.co.uk\n\n> And all of these cars are driven fairly hard. None of them are at the head of\n> a line of cars going 30 MPH....the first two spend a lot of their operating\n> life with the speedometer pegged...and the only reason the 84 doesn't is it has\n> a 120 MPH speedo...\n> What I want to know is....have all you people who hate Volvos been traumatized\n> by someone in a 745 Turbo wagon blowing you away on the road, or what?\n\n740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I\nbelieve the Beetle corners better. \n\nI can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever.\nI've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car.\n\nNot sure how long the small shit-box Volvos last - too damn long. The worst car I ever drove was a hired 340. In power, handling and ride it was reminiscent of something\nfrom the 50s, without the character. The 340 only ceased production a couple of years back. I've only been a passenger in the big Volvos, but that was enough. I ought to go\nfor a test drive because they offer some neat gifts.\n\n\n\n\n","731":"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)\nSubject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 5.\nNntp-Posting-Host: gozer\nOrganization: SigSauer Fan Club \nLines: 94\n\nNote: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the\n_Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television\nstation, KTVB Channel 7.\n\nRandy Weaver\/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 5.\n\nMonday, April 19, 1993 was the fifth day of the trial.\n\nSynopsis: Government informant Kenneth Fadeley testified that\nRandy Weaver sold him two shotguns in violation of the National\nFirearms Act of 1934.  U.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge\nasks jurors not to hear accounts of the Waco fire because\nof possible influences on the Weaver\/Harris case.\n\nThe testimony of FBI Special Agent Greg Rampton apparently\nended without further incident, as it was mentioned neither\nby KTVB nor the _Idaho Statesman_.\n\nThe day was highlighted by the testimony of Kenneth Fadeley,\nwho had been posing as an outlaw biker and illegal guns person\nnamed Gus Magiosono.  Fadeley testified that he was acting as\nan informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms\nin his dealings with Randy Weaver.\n\nFadeley began by stating that he had met Weaver in 1987 at an\nAryan Nations summer conference in Hayden Lake, Idaho.  The two\nthen met again October 11, 1989 (note the huge separation in\ntime) at a restaurant in Sandpoint, Idaho, to begin a weapons\ntransaction.  He stated that Weaver had said, \"He felt like he\n(Weaver) was being prepared to do something dangerous for the\nWhite cause.\"\n\nThe two later met October 24, 1989 behind the restaurant and\nlater went to a city park to make the sale.  During this second\nmeeting, Fadeley was wearing a small recording device to\ntape the conversation.  Weaver allegedly showed him an H&R 12-\ngauge shotgun with a 13-inch barrel and an overall length of\n19.25 inches.  He additionally showed a Remington 12-gauge\nshotgun with a 12.75-inch barrel and an overall length of\n24.5 inches (NFA requires minimums of 18 inches for barrel\nlength and an overall length of 26 inches).  On tape, Weaver\nis reported to have said that he could perform better work once\nhis machine shop is set up.  The two then discuss the possibility\nof future sales.  Fadeley then counts out three hundred dollars\nfor the two guns and promises the balance of one-hundred fifty\ndollars when they next meet.  (Note that the ATF could have\nsimply arrested him here.  Why did they wait until January 1991 -\nover a year later - to arrest him?  This is not explained).\n\nThe next meeting took place on Nov 30, 1989.  Fadeley stated that\nhis \"source\" had only come up with one hundred dollars instead\nof the one-hundred fifty he'd promised.  At this point, Weaver\nsuspected he was dealing with an informant, \"I had a guy in\nSpokane tell me you were bad.\"  Fadeley managed to convince\nWeaver otherwise.\n\nThe _Idaho Statesman_ states explicitly that three tapes were\nmade of conversations with Randy Weaver.  Thus, each of these\nmeetings must have been recorded.  However, the _Statesman_ also\nreported that a tape of a telephone conversation involving Vicki\nWeaver (Randy Weaver's wife) was played to the court.  There must\nhave also been phone taps.\n\nThese tapes were played to the court via both headphones and\nloudspeakers under the objections of Gerry Spence, Weaver's\nattorney.  Spence said to a KTVB reporter that he wanted to\nmake sure that the government proved its case, \"...if it has a\ncase at all...\" according to the rules.\n\nRandy Weaver tore off his headphones and wept when he heard his\nwife's voice on the tape.\n\nU.S. District Court Judge Edward Lodge asked jurors not to hear\naccounts of the Waco fire because of possible influences on the\nWeaver\/Harris case.  Exactly how such information could affect\nthis trial is not explained.\n\nOther notes: Sunday evening there was a report on KTVB concerning\nKevin Harris.  Unnamed agents within the FBI admit that they are\nsurprised that Kevin Harris is still alive.  First, they were\nsurprised that he survived the initial gunshot wound(s) sustained\nin the initial firefight at the Y-junction.  Later, when Randy\nWeaver was struck by sniper fire the sniper had reported that\nHarris had been struck (not Weaver).  Finally, there was a report\nthat the FBI agent who killed Vicki Weaver believed he was aiming\nat Kevin Harris instead.  (This is what was reported).  Critics\nare charging that the FBI was blatantly trying to eliminate the\nonly non-government witness to the deaths of Samuel Weaver and\nDeputy Marshal William Degan.  Some local people believe that\nHarris's survival is simply due to divine intervention.\n\nTuesday, April 20, 1993 will be the sixth day of the trial. \nKenneth Fadeley's testimony is scheduled to continue. \n\n","732":"From: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk (\"Paul L. Allen\")\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nReply-To: pla@sktb.demon.co.uk\nOrganization: Chaos\nLines: 76\nX-Newsreader: Archimedes ReadNews\n\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----\n\nIn article <PMETZGER.93Apr18141006@snark.shearson.com> pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:\n\n> In article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:\n> \n>    From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\n> \n>    jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes:\n>    > Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. \n> \n>    Hey, it's better than the status quo.\n> \n>    I am far less worried about \"the feds\" tapping my phone than high school \n>    scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and \n>    cordless phone calls.\n> \n> I'm a political dissident. I'm scared shitless of the feds listening\n> in on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me\n> \"disappeared\" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what\n> sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who\n> have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me.\n> \n> As for \"its better than the status quo\", well, first of all, you can\n> get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work\n> well. In addition, a number of groups are now working on building\n> software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and\n> they are all working in overdrive mode.\n> \n>    And yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at \n>    least an incrememental improvement for certain applications...\n> \n> There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want\n> RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right.\n\nThe point you all seem to have missed was covered when the UK cellphone\nscrambling system was discussed.  Incidentally, my MP has responded to\nmy questions on that issue, and it appears that the UK and other `approved'\ncountries will get the secure A5 encryption, and `dodgy' countries will\nget A5X.  Existing mobile equipment will drop to clear mode when used with\nA5X systems, but newer equipment will use A5\/A5X\/clear depending on the\ncapabilities of the base station.\n\nThe cops\/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to\nlisten in to cellular conversations.  Encryption is not end-to-end, but \ncellphone to base-station - it *has* to be this way so that cellular users\nand fixed installations can talk to each other.  For cellular to cellular\ncalls, the transmission is decrypted at the base-station, passed to another\nbase-station and re-encrypted.  The cops\/feds can listen to the unscrambled\ncall *provided* they get a warrant to tap into the cellular provider's\nequipment.  The only reason for wanting a crackable system is so they can\nlisten without having to obtain a warrant.\n\nBut, maybe the Clipper system is secure, and they really do need a warrant\nto get the key out of escrow before they can listen in using a scanner (see\nabove - they don't *have* to go down this route anyway).  I have my doubts,\nbut even if true once they have the key they will *never* again need a\nwarrant to tap into that particular phone whenever they want.  `Well, Judge,\nit appears he wasn't a drug-dealer after all, so naturally we'll stop\nlistening in'...\n\nYou have every reason to be scared shitless.  Take a look at the records\nof McCarthy, Hoover (J. Edgar, not the cleaner - though they both excelled at\nsucking) and Nixon.\n\n- --Paul\n\n-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----\nVersion: 2.2\n\niQCVAgUBK9IAl2v14aSAK9PNAQEvxgQAoXrviAggvpVRDLWzCHbNQo6yHuNuj8my\ncvPx2zVkhHjzkfs5lUW6z63rRwejvHxegV79EX4xzsssWVUzbLvyQUkGS08SZ2Eq\nbLSuij9aFXalv5gJ4jB\/hU40qvU6I7gKKrVgtLxEYpkvXFd+tFC4n9HovumvNRUc\nve5ZY8988pY=\n=NOcG\n-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----\n\n","733":"From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nOrganization: York University, Toronto, Canada\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.032345.5178@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr18.030412.1210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira) writes:\n>>Howard_Wong@mindlink.bc.ca (Howard Wong) writes:\n>>\n>>>Has Jack lost a bit of his edge? What is the worst start Jack Morris has had?\n>>\n>>Uh, Jack lost his edge about 5 years ago, and has had only one above\n>>average year in the last 5.\n>\n>Again goes to prove that it is better to be good than lucky.  You can\n>count on good tomorrow.  Lucky seems to be prone to bad starts (and a\n>bad finish last year :-).\n>\n>(Yes, I am enjoying every last run he gives up.  Who was it who said\n>Morris was a better signing than Viola?)\n>\n>Cheers,\n>-Valentine\n\nHey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their\nfingers.  Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his \nfuture.  Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best \nsigning.  And don't tell me Boston will win this year.  They won't \neven be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.\n\nShawn\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","734":"From: cbrasted@physics.adelaide.edu.au (Charles Brasted)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nOrganization: The University of Adelaide\nLines: 123\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: adelphi.itd.adelaide.edu.au\nKeywords: Dan Bissell\n\nbissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:\n\n>\tFirst I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian.  It \n>makes sense to be one.  Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, \n>lunatic, or the real thing?  (I might be a little off on the title, but he \n>writes the book.  Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, \n>in the process he became a Christian himself.\n\nI assume you are posting to encourage comments - how much history has\nTony Campello read?  Not much it seems. \n\n>\tThe arguements he uses I am summing up.  The book is about whether \n>Jesus was God or not.  I know many of you don't believe, but listen to a \n>different perspective for we all have something to gain by listening to what \n>others have to say.  \n\nIt is good to hear that there are a few reasonable Christians about.\nIf only those christian \"scientists\" would take note.\n\n(In Australia there is a very strong movement, a bunch of christian \nscientists who believe that every single event in the bible is exactly\ntrue, and that there is a rational explanation for it all that can be justified\nby using the laws of physics.  For example, there are a few chaps who are \ntrying to prove that the age of the universe is 6000 years old, and that the\nerror in conventional calculations is the result of the fact that the speed \nlight has been rapidly decaying over the years, and this has not been \naccounted for. :-] )\n\n>\tThe book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a \n>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.\n\nOr (of course), that he never existed, and the bible was a story, and was never \nintended to become a manifesto for a billion people.  Did Tony follow that one\nup?\n\n>\tSome reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows.  Who would \n>die for a lie?  Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar?  People \n>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing \n>someone who was or had been healed.  \n\nMillions of people have \"died for a lie\".  This  point is difficult to \nsubstantiate since it is not well defined (a great many religious arguments\nwork in that way), but consider the many Aztec warriors who sacrificed \nthemselves to their gods in the belief that this act would bring them victory\nof the Spanish invaders.  The list is endless.  The Aztecs lost, BTW.\n\n>Call me a fool, but I believe he did heal people.\n  \nThat is perfectly reasonable, but it is not grounds for me (or anyone)\nto become a christian.  More to the point, it does not add weight to\nthe claim that Jesus was the \"real thing\".\n\n\n>\tNiether was he a lunatic.  Would more than an entire nation be drawn \n>to someone who was crazy.  Very doubtful, in fact rediculous.  For example \n>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see \n>this right away.\n\nHave you ever seen a documentary about the rise of Nazi Germany?  More to the\npoint, did Tony mention this?  One could hardly call Werner Heisenberg and his\nmany colleagues  fools, or  illogical men, their support of Hitler was based \n(I presume) upon an emotional issue rather than a rational agreement with \nhis principles.  Obviously my argument is invalid if Tony thought that Hitler\nwas sane....\n\n \n\n>\tTherefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the \n>real thing.  \n\nHmmm.... I don't think his arguments warrant the use of a \"Therefore...\"\n\n>\tSome other things to note.  He fulfilled loads of prophecies in \n>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone.  This in his betrayal \n>and Crucifixion.  I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I \n>write I will use it.\n\nThis is (unfortunately) what alot of religious discussions I have had with\npeople result in - quoting the bible.  The only reasonable way I think\npeople can look at the bible is to treat the stories as some sort of\nmetaphorical representation of the messages that the authors were trying to\npresent.  If someone tries to interpret parts of the bible literally, he or\nshe will end up in all sorts of shit.   \n\nTony's argument would be perfectly reasonable for people who believe\nthe events described in the bible took place, but to convince someone, \nwho thinks the bible is total fiction, that Jesus is real by quoting the\nbook is totally pointless.  For example, in mathematics you cannot say \"a is\nequal to b because a is equal to b\".\n\n  \n\n>\tI don't think most people understand what a Christian is.  \n\nThat would possibly explain why there have so many people being killed \nin religious wars, and why there are hundreds of different versions all\nclaiming to be correct.  \n\nIt \n>is certainly not what I see a lot in churches.  Rather I think it \n>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's \n>sake.  He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the \n>same.  Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives \n>over to him.  That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a \n>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at.  But \n>just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes \n>time.  We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.  \n>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in \n>a while.  We box everything into time units.  Such as work at this \n>time, sports, Tv, social life.  God is above these boxes and should be \n>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for \n>ourselves.  \t  \n\nI think if you posted this part to alt.religion you would get more flames\nthan here :-).  I have never really understood why the emotional sentiments\nof a stranger should be of interest to other people. \n\nSomeone famous said that there two evils in life, polititians and churchs, one\nrules by fear of the living, the other by fear of the dead.  If I am pressed I\ncould probably find the exact quotation.\n\nCheers,\nCharles.\n","735":"From: toml@blade.Boulder.ParcPlace.COM (Tom LaStrange)\nSubject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window\nReply-To: toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM\nOrganization: ParcPlace Boulder\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <BADING.93Apr21134939@athene.cs.tu-berlin.de>, bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes:\n|> \n|> try this after XCreateWindow:\n|> -----------------------------\n|> \n|> #include <X11\/Xutil.h>\n|> \n|> Display display;\n|> Window window;\n|> \n|> {\n|>   XSizeHints *xsizehints = XAllocSizeHints ();\n|>   xsizehints->flags = USPosition | USSize;\t\/* or = PPosition | PSize *\/\n|>   xsizehints->x = 42;\n|>   xsizehints->y = 42;\n|>   xsizehints->width = 100;\n|>   xsizehints->height = 100;\n|>   XSetWMNormalHints (display, window, xsizehints);\n|>   XFree (xsizehints);\n|> }\n|> \n|> These hints tell the window manager that the position and size of the window\n|> are specified by the users and that the window manager should accept these\n|> values. If you use xsizehints->flags = PPosition | PSize, this tells the window\n|> manager that the values are prefered values of the program, not the user.\n|> I don't know a window manager that doesn't place the window like you prefer if\n|> you specify the position and size like above.\n\n\nYou are right but PLEASE DON'T DO THIS.  It makes my brain hurt.\nUSPosition and USSize should ONLY be set if the USER specified the\nposition and size.\n\nYou say: \"Tom, don't blow a gasket, what's the harm?\"\n\nSome window managers do very different things (besides positioning the window)\nwhen they see USPosition rather than PPosition.\n\n--\nTom LaStrange        toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM\n","736":"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)\nSubject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nKeywords: ESPN, Detroit, Toronto, Hockey Coverage\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.032017.5783@wuecl.wustl.edu>, jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar) writes:\n> \n>  It was nice to see ESPN show game 1 between the Wings and Leafs since\n> the Cubs and Astros got rained out. Instead of showing another baseball\n> game, they decided on the Stanley Cup Playoffs. A classy move by ESPN.\n\nWhat, did you leave the room each of the 100 or so times they said that\nthere WERE NO OTHER NIGHT BASEBALL GAMES? Every break they took back at\nthe studio mentioned it, followed by 'so...we're gonna show you hockey\ninstead.' My wife and I are hoping for rain at every baseball game they\nhave a feed for tommorrow night...\n\nPoint is, be glad they showed hockey, but if baseball was available\nanywhere else you can bet you would've watched baseball last night.\n\npete clark\n","737":"From: mlf@unl.edu (mary flaglelee)\nSubject: Wanted:Singer Featherweight 221\nOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln\t\nLines: 7\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu\nKeywords: Singer sewing machine\n\nI'm looking for a Singer Featherweight 221 sewing machine (old, black \nsewing machine in black case).\n\nPlease contact:\n\nMary Flagle-Lee\nmlf@unlinfo.unl.edu\n","738":"From: pilon@aix02.ecs.rpi.edu (T.J. Pilon)\nSubject: Re: My IIcx won't turn on...\nNntp-Posting-Host: aix02.ecs.rpi.edu\nLines: 7\n\nI've changed the battery in the thing (shortly after the problem first\nhappened) and I've noticed an inordinate number of Bus errors lately...\n\n\n\t\t\tT.J. Pilon\n\t\t\tpilon@rpi.edu\n\n","739":"From: vek@allegra.att.com (Van Kelly)\nSubject: Re: Prayer in Jesus' Name\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill, NJ, USA\nLines: 39\n\nAccording to what I have read on Biblical idioms, speaking \"in X's\nname\" is a standard Aramaic\/Hebrew legal idiom for what we today\nwould call Power of Attorney.  A person from Jesus' culture authorized\nto conduct business \"in John's name\" had full authority over John's\nfinancial affairs, but was held under a solemn fiduciary obligation to\nwork only for John's benefit and consonant with John's wishes.  It was\nnot required for the steward to preface each business transaction with\n\"in John's name\"; it was sufficient to have valid power of attorney\nand be operating in good faith. (Note the overlap here between legal\nand religious definitions of \"faith\".)\n\nWith this cultural background, praying \"in Jesus' name\" does not\nmandate a particular verbal formula; rather it requires that the\npetitioner be operating faithfully and consciously within an analogous\n\"fiduciary\" relationship with Jesus and for the purposes of His\nKingdom.  The message of \"praying in Jesus' name\" is thus closely\naligned with the parable of the talents and other passages about God's\ndelegation of Kingdom business to his stewards, both resources and\nresponsibilities.  This idea of praying \"in Jesus' name\" is not only\npresent but prominent in the Lord's Prayer, although the verbal\nforumula is absent.\n\nThe act of praying the words \"In Jesus' Name\" may be beneficial if\nthey cause us to clarify the relationship of our requests to the\nadvancement of God's Kingdom.  For that reason, I'm not quite ready\nto say that the praying the formula is without meaning.\n\nPrayers to God for other purposes (desperation, anger, thanksgiving,\netc.) don't seem to be in this category at all, whether uttered by\nChristian or non-Christian, whether B.C. or A.D. (that's B.C.E. or\nC.E. for you P.C. :-).  I don't see anything in Christ's words to\ncontradict the idea that God deals with all prayers according to His\nomniscience and grace.\n\nVan Kelly\nvek@research.att.com\n\n\nThe above opinions are my own, and not those of AT&T.\n","740":"From: habs@panix.com (Harry Shapiro)\nSubject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement\nOrganization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC\nLines: 65\n\nIn <1r1om5$c5m@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)\nwrites:\n\n>Even more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer\n>recognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands...\n\n>   telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp\n>   Trying 129.6.54.11...\n>   Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov.\n>   Escape character is '^]'.\n>   220 first.org sendmail 4.1\/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT\n>   expn clipper\n>   500 Command unrecognized\n\n>Seems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc.\n\nThen it is a good thing we already have this:\n\nThe csspub mailing list: csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov, and address on\nthe clipper mailing list, seems to contain basically the members of\nthe NIST security board.\n\nIn addition to the names already posted, their true names are as\nfollows:\n\nburrows@ecf = James Burrows a director of NIST's National Computer\nSystems Laboratory\n\nmcnulty@ecf = F. Lynn McNulty an associate director for computer\nsecurity at the National Institute of Standards and Technology's\nComputer Systems Laboratory\n\nGangemi@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Gaetano Gangemi is director of the\nsecure systems program at Wang Laboratories Inc. He wrote: Computer\nSecurity Basics by Deborah Russell and G. T.  Gangemi, Sr. -1991,\nO'Reilly and Associates\n\nslambert@cgin.cto.citicorp.com = Sandra Lambert is vice-president of\ninformation security at Citibank, N.A.\n\nlipner@mitre.org = Lipner is Mitre Corp.'s director of information\nsystems.\n\ngallagher@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Patrick Gallagher, director of the\nNational Security Agency's National Computer Security Center and a\nsecurity board member\n\nwalker@tis.com = Stephen Walker a computer security expert and\npresident of Trusted Information Systems, Inc. in Glenwood, Md\n\nwillis@rand.org = Willis H.  Ware a the Rand Corp.  executive who\nchairs the security board.\n\nwhitehurst@vnet.ibm.com = William Whitehurst is a security board\nmember and director of IBM Corp.'s data security programs.\n\n-- \nHarry Shapiro  \t\t\t\t      habs@panix.com\nList Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List\nPrivate Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991\n\n-- \nHarry Shapiro  \t\t\t\t      habs@panix.com\nList Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List\nPrivate Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991\n","741":"From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)\nSubject: Do Splitfires Help Spagthorpe Diesels ?\nKeywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance.\nDistribution: rec.motorcycles\nOrganization: CompuTrac Inc., Richardson TX\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <C5JF22.DJr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) writes:\n>Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs.  One\n>guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell.  Well,\n>I saw one think that someone said about \"Show me a team that used Split-\n>fires....\"  Well, here's some additional insight and some theories\n>about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.\n>\n>Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and\n>increased power for the 4x4 cages.  Well, for these guys, splitfires\n>\n>Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with\n>somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than\n\nSplitfires work mainly by providing a more-or-less unshrouded spark to the\ncombustion chamber. If an engine's cylinder head design can benefit from this,\nthen the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase, most noticeably\nin lower rpm range torque. Splitfires didn't do diddly-squat for my 1992 GMC\npickup (4.3l V6) but do give a noticeable performance boost in my 1991 Harley\nSportster 1200 and my best friend's 1986 Sportster 883. Folks I know who've\ntried them in 1340 Evo motors can't tell any performance boost over plain\nplugs (which is interesting since the XLH and big twin EVO combustion chambers\nare pretty much the same shape, just different sizes). Two of my friends who\nhave shovelhead Harleys swear by the splitfires but if I had a shovelhead,\nI'd dual-plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make\nthe machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense (plus they look\nreally cool with a spark plug on each side of each head)\n-- \n=============================================================================\nNeal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)\n\t      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org\n\t      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.\n         \"Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps\n          we shall learn the truth.\" -- August Kekule' (1890)\n=============================================================================\n","742":"From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)\nSubject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor)\nOrganization: USC  Department of Computer Science\nLines: 146\n\nMost of the key issues in the 284 line post to which I am following up are\ndealt with in the following post I made on talk.abortion yesterday,\nmodified to correct the next to last paragraph.\n\nMessage-ID: <nyikos.734890344@milo.math.scarolina.edu>\n\nReferences: <nyikos.734360987@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <nyikos.734640769@milo.math.scarolina.edu> <1993Apr13.122356.3612@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>\n\nIn <1993Apr13.122356.3612@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:\n\n>In article <nyikos.734640769@milo.math.scarolina.edu>, nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:\n>> In <CS132073.93Apr9160836@cslab1g.cs.brown.edu> cs132073@cs.brown.edu (John Bates) writes:\n>> \n>> >In article <nyikos.734360987@milo.math.scarolina.edu> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:\n>> > perhaps out\n>> >of dedication to your convictions. I never, *never*, thought that you\n>> >would be consciously intellectually dishonest, though.\n>> \n>> I am not.  Can you show me anything that would lead you to think \n>> otherwise?\n\n>See the \"Spreading Christianity\" thread, in which he says I\n>ignore certain statements that I specifically acknowledged and\n\nDean did not.  He called them \"the Great Commission\" but this is NOT\ndescriptive of Jesus's words in Matt. 10:15.\n\nMatt. 10:14, Jerusalem Bible translation:\n\n\t\"And if anyone does not welcome you or listen to what you have\n\tto say, as you walk out of the house or town shake the dust\n\tfrom your feet.\"\n\nMatt. 10:15:\n\n \t\"I tell you solemnly, on the day of Judgment it will not \n \tgo as hard with the land of Sodom and Gomorrah as with \n \tthat town.\"\n\nIn the post to which Dean is referring above, I said:\n\n\"> The above is a good description of Kaflowitz, who keeps harping on\n > shaking the dust off the feet but ignoring what Christ said next.\"\n   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                                ^^^^\n\nThe highlighted words refer to Matt 10:14 and 10:15 respectively.\n\nAnd Dean countered:\n\n\"Actually, this comment of your's is a perfect example of what an\nintellectually dishonest little sparrowfart you are, since I\nspecifically acknowledged the Great Commission and the entreaty\nto spread the word.  In fact, it is the combination of the two\nstatements I was addressing, and not just the one, and for you to\ncharacterize that as \"ignoring\" the instruction to spread the\nword is a good example of what a dishonest little fellow you are.\"\n\nOf course, Matt 10:15 [quoted above] makes no mention of \"instruction\nto spread the word.\"\n\nAll these quotes btw are from:\n\nMessage-ID: <1993Apr13.121624.3400@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>\n\n>in which, at the end, he claims I did not answer a question\n>which I answered, and which he deleted (to get the chronology\n>right, he deleted the answer and then said I didn't answer).\n\nAnd I claim it correctly, because my question went:\n\n\"Do you, too, measure\nthe goodness of a post by its entertainment value, and care not\na whit for such mundane things as truth and falsehood?\"\n\nand the closest Dean came to an answer was:\n\n\"Peter, Peter, Peter.  You're just so stupid, pretentious, dull,\nand generally unworthy of the value you place on yourself that\nthe sport is all there is.\"\n\nOf course, this does NOT answer my question, which has to do with posts\nin GENERAL and not my posts in particular.  Surely even Dean knows this,\nyet he brazenly asserts otherwise, reinforcing his claim with an insult:\n\n\"So I now restore the answer to your question\nthat you deleted.  If you're still unable to figure it out, ask\na nice kid at the local junior high to help you.  It really\ndoesn't take much sophistication to understand.\"\n\nOn top of which, I doubt that the \"answer\" is at all representative\nof Dean's true frame of mind.  The insults you have seen quoted thus\nfar are but a small sample of the stream that oozes out of Dean's \nmind throughout the 284-line post from which these quotes were taken.\nOne wonders whether Dean's mind is so warped as to find sport in all\nthis.\n\nHe even dredges up a falsified account of\nevents that transpired earlier on another thread:\n\n\"You made an ass of yourself by claiming that it\n\t\t\t\t^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nwas in the tradition of Lent to make public announcements of\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nthe \"sins\" of other individuals.\"\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nFalse.  I said it was the tradition to recall and atone for one's sins.\nThat I made public announcements of the \"sins\" of others\n--\"sins\", BTW, that were a matter of public record, documented in\nthe posts of others-- is a different matter.\n\nMany of the individuals involved are so nearly amoral that\nthey do not see as sins what morally upright people see as sins, so\nI pointed some of them out.  And I expressly set up a whole thread,\nYOUR TURN, to let people point out MY sins to me.\n\nDean again:\n\n\"You made an ass of yourself\nby saying that my statement of the tradition of tzedukkah was\nsomehow an attempt to \"paint Jews as plaster saints,\" thereby\nrevealing your inability to understand the discussion as well\nas showing your dislike for people saying positive things\nabout Jews, and now you show your intellectual dishonesty by\nrepeatedly ignoring the simple argument being made, and then\nclaiming I am ignoring the very argument I acknowledge.\"\n\nActually, what happened was that Dean made it seem like ANY Jew\nwho gave alms or did other acts of charity in public was a hypocrite\naccording to Jewish customs.  In doing so, he was caricaturing\nJewish customs as being almost impossibly demanding, as well as\nimplicitly slandering all Jews who make public their acts of charity.\n\nI went very easily on Dean for this, giving him the benefit of\nthe doubt in a post following my initial crack about \"plaster saints\", \nsuggesting that he had been merely careless in his wording.\n\nIn an astonishing act of ingratitude, Dean now serves up an incredibly\ndistorted picture of what took place between us, and using it as\nthe basis of one insult after another.\n\nPeter Nyikos\n\n\n\n\n","743":"From: matt@centerline.com (Matt Landau)\nSubject: Looking for updated XView textedit source (w\/d-n-d support)\nArticle-I.D.: armory.1ri2o2$3hm\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.1.32\n\nThe XView version 3 source distribution included in the contrib section \nof X11R5 included the source to the textedit program.  I'd like to take \nthe sources and modify them to add support for a ToolTalk-like message \nserver, and maybe for ToolTalk while I'm at it, since the Sun-supplied\ntextedit binary doesn't seem to speak tooltalk.\n\nHowever, the sources in the R5 contrib area seem to be for an older\nversion of textedit than the version shipped with OpenWindows 3.  For\nexample, the OWN 3.0 textedit includes drag and drop support and a \ndropsite in the main control area, while the source in contrib\/xview\nknows nothing about drag and drop.\n\nThe textedit.c included in the xview sources says it's version 15.50,\ndated 5\/22\/90, while doing a 'what textedit' on the OWN 3.0 binary says:\n\n        textedit.c 2.62 91\/09\/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro\n        dragdrop.c 1.26 91\/09\/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro\n        tooltalk.c 2.16 91\/09\/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro\n        ds_relname.c    1.7 91\/09\/14 Copyr 1990 Sun Micro\n\nSo, does anyone know if the 9\/14\/91 sources to textedit are available?\nI'd really like to work from the latest source if possible.\n\nPlease reply by email, and I'll post a summary if there's enough \ninterest.\n--\n Matt Landau\t\t\tWaiting for a flash of enlightenment\n matt@centerline.com\t\t\t  in all this blood and thunder\n","744":"From: kshin@stein.u.washington.edu (Kevin Shin)\nSubject: thinning algorithm\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu\n\nHi, netters\n\nI am looking for source code that can reads the ascii file\nor bitmap file and produced the thinned image.\nFor example, to preprocess the character image I want to\napply thinning algorithm.\n\nthanks\nkevin\n.\n","745":"From: brentw@netcom.com (Brent C. Williams)\nSubject: Re: Colorado Jumbo 250 for Gateway 2000?\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 59\n\npd@world.std.com (Peter F Davis) writes:\n\n>I've just installed a new Colorado Jumbo 250 tape backup unit from\n>Gateway, and I have a couple of complaints with it.  I don't know how\n>common or serious these problems may be.  I would appreciate some\n>feedback from others who have used this system.  (BTW, This is on a\n>4DX2-66V tower system.)\n\n\tI have a similar configuration: Colorado 250mb on 66 DX\/2 tower.\n\n>The problems are:\n\n>    o\tFirstly, Gateway shipped me only 120 Mb tapes, even though the\n>\tdrive is a 250 Mb unit.  When I called to complain, they only\n>\tsaid:  \"That's all we carry,\" and \"With compression, you can\n>\tfit 250 Mb on one tape.\"  Maybe so, but then why did I pay\n>\textra for the large capacity tape drive?\n\n\tYou got suckered in the same way I did.  Silly me, believing\n\tthat the \"250\" logo on the front meant actual carrying capacity.\n\tThe people who do this sort of thing for a living call it \n\t\"marketing.\"  Lawyers who prosecute it call it \"fraud.\"\n\tPerhaps we can have a bunch of other duped buyers march on \n\ttheir corporate headquarters.\n\n>    o\tI have about 230 Mb of data on my C: drive.  I choose the\n>\tspace-optimizing compression scheme and started a full backup.\n>\tThe software estimated it would take about 22 minutes.  It\n>\ttook 4 1\/2 hours.  Does this sound about right?\n\n\tThis is a bit long.  My system takes about 45 minutes to do \n\tthe same thing.  Usually 4.5 hours, particularly if the tape \n\tis grinding away the whole time means that your block size for \n\tthe write is too small.  Is there any way to change the block \n\tsize or write buffer size so it's bigger?\n\n>    o\tDuring the backup, about a dozen files came up with \"access\n>\tdenied\" errors.  Most of these were in C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\n>\t(COMM.DRV, KEYBOARD.DRV, SHELL.DLL, etc.), but also\n>\tC:\\WINDOWS\\PROGMAN.EXE and a couple of files in the C:\\TAPE\n>\tdirectory.  Anyone else had this happen?\n\n\tThis is because the files are opened by DOS.  The files in the \n\tTAPE directory are likely the executable file or the configuration\n\tfile for the tape system.  I would recommend running the backup\n\tfrom DOS so it will make a complete backup of the TAPE directory.\n\n>Thanks for any and all feedback on this system.  I'd also appreciate\n>hearing of good sources for blank tape cartridges, preferably 250 Mb\n>size.\n\n\tThe 250mb cartridges won't do you any good since the drive\n\twon't write 250mb of physical data on the tape.  \n\n>Thanks.\n>-pd\n\n-- \n-brent williams (brentw@netcom.com) san jose, california\n","746":"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)\nSubject: Re: More Cool BMP files??\nOrganization: George Washington University\nLines: 15\n\n> \n>I downloaded the CompuServe GIF of the month.  A raytraced image of\n>a golf ball next to a hole.  Very nice, 640x480x256 bitmap, easily\n>converted to a Windows BMP.  If anyone wants, I could upload a copy\n>on Cica...\n>\n\nPlease do...and let us know specifics.  (lest I'm the only one on this).\n\nMickey\n-- \npe-|| ||  MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu \nace|| ||                                   ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray\n|||| \\\/|  *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??*\n\\\\\\\\   |  \"well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..\"(gd)\n","747":"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\nSubject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: sgi\nLines: 93\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\n\nIn article <1qlettINN8oi@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n|> \n|> >>>Explain to me\n|> >>>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen.\n|> >>For example, if it were instinctive not to murder...\n|> >\n|> >Then not murdering would have no moral significance, since there\n|> >would be nothing voluntary about it.\n|> \n|> See, there you go again, saying that a moral act is only significant\n|> if it is \"voluntary.\"  Why do you think this?\n\nIf you force me to do something, am I morally responsible for it?\n\n|> \n|> And anyway, humans have the ability to disregard some of their instincts.\n\nWell, make up your mind.    Is it to be \"instinctive not to murder\"\nor not?\n\n|> \n|> >>So, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other\n|> >>beings mimics theirs?\n|> >\n|> >You are starting to get the point.  Mimicry is not necessarily the \n|> >same as the action being imitated.  A Parrot saying \"Pretty Polly\" \n|> >isn't necessarily commenting on the pulchritude of Polly.\n|> \n|> You are attaching too many things to the term \"moral,\" I think.\n|> Let's try this:  is it \"good\" that animals of the same species\n|> don't kill each other.  Or, do you think this is right? \n\nIt's not even correct.    Animals of the same species do kill\none another.\n\n|> \n|> Or do you think that animals are machines, and that nothing they do\n|> is either right nor wrong?\n\nSigh.   I wonder how many times we have been round this loop.\n\nI think that instinctive bahaviour has no moral significance.\nI am quite prepared to believe that higher animals, such as\nprimates, have the beginnings of a moral sense, since they seem\nto exhibit self-awareness.\n\n|> \n|> \n|> >>Animals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but \n|> >>they don't.\n|> >\n|> >They do.  I and other posters have given you many examples of exactly\n|> >this, but you seem to have a very short memory.\n|> \n|> Those weren't arbitrary killings.  They were slayings related to some \n|> sort of mating ritual or whatnot.\n\nSo what?     Are you trying to say that some killing in animals\nhas a moral significance and some does not?   Is this your\nnatural morality>\n\n\n|> \n|> >>Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because\n|> >>most animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do?\n|> >\n|> >I'm saying:\n|> >\t\"There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not \n|> >\tjust people we are talking about - can consider alternatives.\"\n|> >\n|> >It's right there in the posting you are replying to.\n|> \n|> Yes it was, but I still don't understand your distinctions.  What\n|> do you mean by \"consider?\"  Can a small child be moral?  How about\n|> a gorilla?  A dolphin?  A platypus?  Where is the line drawn?  Does\n|> the being need to be self aware?\n\nAre you blind?   What do you think that this sentence means?\n\n\t\"There must be the possibility that the organism - it's not \n\tjust people we are talking about - can consider alternatives.\"\n\nWhat would that imply?\n\n|> \n|> What *do* you call the mechanism which seems to prevent animals of\n|> the same species from (arbitrarily) killing each other?  Don't\n|> you find the fact that they don't at all significant?\n\nI find the fact that they do to be significant. \n\njon.\n","748":"From: max@hilbert.cyprs.rain.com (Max Webb)\nSubject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me.\nOrganization: Cypress Semi, Beaverton OR\nLines: 47\n\nIn article <Apr.14.03.07.55.1993.5435@athos.rutgers.edu> wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes:\n>In article <Apr.11.01.02.39.1993.17790@athos.rutgers.edu> atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:\n>\tMy problem with Science is that often it allows us to\n>assume we know what is best for ourselves.  God endowed us\n>with the ability to produce life through sexual relations,\n\nYou assume this because you believe in a designing creator,\nand you observe our ability to procreate...\n\n>for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone.\n>Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God's decision\n>through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power\n>to decide who should and should not be able to have \n>children?\n\n.... But then you observe our ability to modify fertility\nthrough intelligence & experiment, and draw no similar conclusions\nabout God designing us for scientific inquiry & the use of the\ntechnology that it produces.  How is it that one ability is \"obviously\nfrom God\", and the other not?\n\n>\tI cannot draw a solid line regarding where I\n>would approve of Scientific study, and where I would not,\n>but I will say this:  Before one experiments with the\n>universe to find out all its secrets, one should ask\n>why they want this knowledge.\n\nI want to know the truth, and hold the Truth as the most\nbasic of all ethical values, because correct moral judgement\nrelies on knowing the truth, not vice versa. Moralities that\nassert that assent to a belief is a moral choice, and not\ncompelled by evidence inevitably cut off the limb they sit upon.\nFalsification of evidence, conscious and unconscious, follows\ncorrupting both the intellect and the heart.\n\n>I will say that each person should pray for guidance\n>when trying to unravel the mysteries of the universe, and\n>should cease their unravelling if they have reason to \n>believe their search is displeasing to God.\n>\n>\t\t\t---Malcusco\n\nIf there is a God, he has nothing to fear from truth.\nAs to imaginary gods and there followers: Be afraid. Be very\nafraid.\n\n\tMax\n","749":"From: ma170saj@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (System Operator)\nSubject: A Moment Of Silence\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 14\nNntp-Posting-Host: sdcc14.ucsd.edu\n\n\n    April 24th is approaching, and Armenians around the world\nare getting ready to remember the massacres of their family members\nby the Turkish government between 1915 and 1920.  \n    At least 1.5 Million Armenians perished during that period,\nand it is important to note that those who deny that this event\never took place, either supported the policy of 1915 to exterminate\nthe Armenians, or, as we have painfully witnessed in Azerbaijan,\nwould like to see it happen again...\n    Thank you for taking the time to read this post.\n\n    -Helgge\n\n\n","750":"From: david@stat.com (David Dodell)\nSubject: HICN610 Medical Newsletter Part 1\/4\nReply-To: david@stat.com (David Dodell)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Stat Gateway Service, WB7TPY\nLines: 708\n\n\n------------- cut here -----------------\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\n              +------------------------------------------------+\n              !                                                !\n              !              Health Info-Com Network           !\n              !                Medical Newsletter              !\n              +------------------------------------------------+\n                         Editor: David Dodell, D.M.D.\n    10250 North 92nd Street, Suite 210, Scottsdale, Arizona 85258-4599 USA\n                          Telephone +1 (602) 860-1121\n                              FAX +1 (602) 451-1165\n\nCompilation Copyright 1993 by David Dodell,  D.M.D.  All  rights  Reserved.  \nLicense  is  hereby  granted  to republish on electronic media for which no \nfees are charged,  so long as the text of this copyright notice and license \nare attached intact to any and all republished portion or portions.  \n\nThe Health Info-Com Network Newsletter is  distributed  biweekly.  Articles \non  a medical nature are welcomed.  If you have an article,  please contact \nthe editor for information on how to submit it.  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Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR\n     [16 April 1993] Emerging Infectious Diseases .........................  3\n     Outbreak of E. coli Infections from Hamburgers .......................  5\n     Use of Smokeless Tobacoo Among Adults ................................ 10\n     Gonorrhea ............................................................ 14\n     Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Children less than 11 years Age ... 17\n     Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries ............................ 21\n\n3.  Clinical Research News\n     High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies ......................... 24\n\n4.  Articles\n     Low Levels Airborne Particles Linked to Serious Asthma Attacks ....... 29\n     NIH Consensus Development Conference on Melanoma ..................... 31\n     National Cancer Insitute Designated Cancer Centers ................... 32\n\n5.  General Announcments\n     UCI Medical Education Software Repository ............................ 40\n\n6.  AIDS News Summaries\n     AIDS Daily Summary April 12 to April 15, 1993 ........................ 41\n\n7.  AIDS\/HIV Articles\n     First HIV Vaccine Trial Begins in HIV-Infected Children .............. 47\n     New Evidence that the HIV Can Cause Disease Independently ............ 50\n     Clinical Consultation Telephone Service for AIDS ..................... 52\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                            Page    i\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\n\n\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n                        Comments & News from the Editor\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\nI would like to continue to thank everyone who has sent in a donation for the \nMednews OCR\/Scanner Fund.  We have reached our goal!  A Hewlett Packard\nScanjet IIp was purchased this week.\n\nThank you to the following individuals whose contributions I just received:\n\nJohn Sorenson\nCarol Sigelman\nCarla Moore\nBarbara Moose\nJudith Schrier\n\nAgain, thank you to all who gave!\n\nI have been using Wordscan Plus for the past couple of weeks and would like to \nreview the product.  Wordscan Plus is a product of Calera Recognition Systems.  \nIt runs under Windows 3.1 and supports that Accufont Technology of the Hewlett \nPackard Scanners.  \n\nWhen initially bringing up the software, it lets you select several options; \n(1) text \/ graphics (2) input source ie scanner, fax file, disk file (3) \nautomatic versus manual decomposition of the scanned image. \n\nI like manual decomposition since the software then lets me select which \nparts of the document I would like scanned, and in what order.\n\nOnce an image is scanned, you can bring up the Pop-Up image verification.  The \nsoftware gives you two \"errors\" at this point.  Blue which are words that were \nconverted reliability, but do not match anything in the built-in dictionary.  \nYellow shade, which are words that Wordscan Plus doesn't think it converted \ncorrectly at all.  I have found that the software should give itself more \ncredit.  It is usually correct, instead of wrong.  If a word is shaded blue, \nyou can add it to your personal dictionary.  The only problem is the personal \ndictionary will only handle about 200 words.  I find this to be very limited, \nconsidering how many medical terms are not in a normal dictionary. \n\nAfter a document is converted, you can save it in a multitude of word \nprocessor formats.  Also any images that were captured can be stored in a \nseperate TIFF or PCX file format.\n\nI was extremely impressed on the percent accuracy for fax files.  I use \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page  1\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\nan Intel Satisfaxtion card, which stores incoming faxs in a PCX\/DCX format.  \nWhile most of my faxes were received in \"standard\" mode (200x100 dpi), the \naccuracy of Wordscan Plus was excellent. \n\nOverall, a very impressive product.  The only fault I could find is the \nlimitations of the size of the user dictionary.  200 specialized words is just \ntoo small. \n\nIf anyone has any specific questions, please do not hesitate to send me email.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page  2\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\n\n\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n               Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - MMWR\n::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\n                         Emerging Infectious Diseases\n                         ============================\n                   SOURCE: MMWR 42(14)   DATE: Apr 16, 1993\n\n                                 Introduction\n\n     Despite predictions earlier this century that infectious diseases would \nsoon be eliminated as a public health problem (1), infectious diseases remain \nthe major cause of death worldwide and a leading cause of illness and death in \nthe United States. Since the early 1970s, the U.S. public health system has \nbeen challenged by a myriad of newly identified pathogens and syndromes (e.g., \nEscherichia coli O157:H7, hepatitis C virus, human immunodeficiency virus, \nLegionnaires disease, Lyme disease, and toxic shock syndrome). The incidences \nof many diseases widely presumed to be under control, such as cholera, \nmalaria, and tuberculosis (TB), have increased in many areas. Furthermore, \ncontrol and prevention of infectious diseases are undermined by drug \nresistance in conditions such as gonorrhea, malaria, pneumococcal disease, \nsalmonellosis, shigellosis, TB, and staphylococcal infections (2). Emerging \ninfections place a disproportionate burden on immunocompromised persons, those \nin institutional settings (e.g., hospitals and child day care centers), and \nminority and underserved populations. The substantial economic burden of \nemerging infections on the U.S. health-care system could be reduced by more \neffective surveillance systems and targeted control and prevention programs \n(3). \n     This issue of MMWR introduces a new series, \"Emerging Infectious \nDiseases.\" Future articles will address these diseases, as well as \nsurveillance, control, and prevention efforts by health-care providers and \npublic health officials. This first article updates the ongoing investigation \nof an outbreak of E. coli O157:H7 in the western United States (4). \n\nReferences\n\n1. Burnet M. Natural history of infectious disease. Cambridge, England: \nCambridge University Press, 1963. \n\n2. Kunin CM. Resistance to antimicrobial drugs -- a worldwide calamity. Ann \nIntern Med 1993;118:557-61. \n\n3. Lederberg J, Shope RE, Oaks SC Jr, eds. Emerging infections: microbial \nthreats to health in the United States. Washington, DC: National Academy \nPress, 1992. \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page  3\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\n\n4. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 \ninfections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page  4\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\n            Update: Multistate Outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7\n             Infections from Hamburgers -- Western United States,\n                                   1992-1993\n            =======================================================\n                   SOURCE: MMWR 42(14)   DATE: Apr 16, 1993\n\n     From November 15, 1992, through February 28, 1993, more than 500 \nlaboratory-confirmed infections with E. coli O157:H7 and four associated \ndeaths occurred in four states -- Washington, Idaho, California, and Nevada. \nThis report summarizes the findings from an ongoing investigation (1) that \nidentified a multistate outbreak resulting from consumption of hamburgers from \none restaurant chain. Washington \n     On January 13, 1993, a physician reported to the Washington Department of \nHealth a cluster of children with hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS) and an \nincrease in emergency room visits for bloody diarrhea. During January 16-17, a \ncase-control study comparing 16 of the first cases of bloody diarrhea or \npostdiarrheal HUS identified with age- and neighborhood-matched controls \nimplicated eating at chain A restaurants during the week before symptom onset \n(matched odds ratio OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=3.5). On January \n18, a multistate recall of unused hamburger patties from chain A restaurants \nwas initiated. \n     As a result of publicity and case-finding efforts, during January-\nFebruary 1993, 602 patients with bloody diarrhea or HUS were reported to the \nstate health department. A total of 477 persons had illnesses meeting the case \ndefinition of culture-confirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection or postdiarrheal HUS \n(Figure 1). Of the 477 persons, 52 (11%) had close contact with a person with \nconfirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection during the week preceding onset of \nsymptoms. Of the remaining 425 persons, 372 (88%) reported eating in a chain A \nrestaurant during the 9 days preceding onset of symptoms. Of the 338 patients \nwho recalled what they ate in a chain A restaurant, 312 (92%) reported eating \na regular-sized hamburger patty. Onsets of illness peaked from January 17 \nthrough January 20. Of the 477 casepatients, 144 (30%) were hospitalized; 30 \ndeveloped HUS, and three died. The median age of patients was 7.5 years \n(range: 0-74 years). Idaho \n     Following the outbreak report from Washington, the Division of Health, \nIdaho Department of Health and Welfare, identified 14 persons with culture-\nconfirmed E. coli O157:H7 infection, with illness onset dates from December \n11, 1992, through February 16, 1993 (Figure 2A). Four persons were \nhospitalized; one developed HUS. During the week preceding illness onset, 13 \n(93%) had eaten at a chain A restaurant. California \n     In late December, the San Diego County Department of Health Services was \nnotified of a child with E. coli O157:H7 infection who subsequently died. \nActive surveillance and record review then identified eight other persons with \nE. coli O157:H7 infections or HUS from mid-November through mid-January 1993. \nFour of the nine reportedly had recently eaten at a chain A restaurant and \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page  5\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\nfour at a chain B restaurant in San Diego. After the Washington outbreak was \nreported, reviews of medical records at five hospitals revealed an overall 27% \nincrease in visits or admissions for diarrhea during December 1992 and January \n1993 compared with the same period 1 year earlier. A case was defined as \npostdiarrheal HUS, bloody diarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured, \nor any diarrheal illness in which stool culture yielded E. coli O157:H7, with \nonset from November 15, 1992, through January 31, 1993. \n     Illnesses of 34 patients met the case definition (Figure 2B). The \noutbreak strain was identified in stool specimens of six patients. Fourteen \npersons were hospitalized, seven developed HUS, and one child died. The median \nage of case-patients was 10 years (range: 1-58 years). A case-control study of \nthe first 25 case-patients identified and age- and sex-matched community \ncontrols implicated eating at a chain A restaurant in San Diego (matched \nOR=13; 95% confidence interval CI=1.7-99). A study comparing case-patients \nwho ate at chain A restaurants with well meal companions implicated regular-\nsized hamburger patties (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence limit=1.3). \nChain B was not statistically associated with illness. Nevada \n     On January 22, after receiving a report of a child with HUS who had eaten \nat a local chain A restaurant, the Clark County (Las Vegas) Health District \nissued a press release requesting that persons with recent bloody diarrhea \ncontact the health department. A case was defined as postdiarrheal HUS, bloody \ndiarrhea that was culture negative or not cultured, or any diarrheal illness \nwith a stool culture yielding the Washington strain of E. coli O157:H7, with \nonset from December 1, 1992, through February 7, 1993. Because local \nlaboratories were not using sorbitol MacConkey (SMAC) medium to screen stools \nfor E. coli O157:H7, this organism was not identified in any patient. After \nSMAC medium was distributed, the outbreak strain was detected in the stool of \none patient 38 days after illness onset. \n     Of 58 persons whose illnesses met the case definition (Figure 2C), nine \nwere hospitalized; three developed HUS. The median age was 30.5 years (range: \n0-83 years). Analysis of the first 21 patients identified and age- and sex-\nmatched community controls implicated eating at a chain A restaurant during \nthe week preceding illness onset (matched OR=undefined; lower confidence \nlimit=4.9). A case-control study using well meal companions of case-patients \nalso implicated eating hamburgers at chain A (matched OR=6.0; 95% CI=0.7-\n49.8). Other Investigation Findings \n     During the outbreak, chain A restaurants in Washington linked with cases \nprimarily were serving regular-sized hamburger patties produced on November \n19, 1992; some of the same meat was used in \"jumbo\" patties produced on \nNovember 20, 1992. The outbreak strain of E. coli O157:H7 was isolated from 11 \nlots of patties produced on those two dates; these lots had been distributed \nto restaurants in all states where illness occurred. Approximately 272,672 \n(20%) of the implicated patties were recovered by the recall. \n     A meat traceback by a CDC team identified five slaughter plants in the \nUnited States and one in Canada as the likely sources of carcasses used in the \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page  6\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\ncontaminated lots of meat and identified potential control points for reducing \nthe likelihood of contamination. The animals slaughtered in domestic slaughter \nplants were traced to farms and auctions in six western states. No one \nslaughter plant or farm was identified as the source. \n     Further investigation of cases related to secondary transmission in \nfamilies and child day care settings is ongoing. \n\nReported by: M Davis, DVM, C Osaki, MSPH, Seattle-King County Dept of Public \nHealth; D Gordon, MS, MW Hinds, MD, Snohomish Health District, Everett; K \nMottram, C Winegar, MPH, Tacoma-Pierce County Health Dept; ED Avner, MD, PI \nTarr, MD, Dept of Pediatrics, D Jardine, MD, Depts of Anesthesiology and \nPediatrics, Univ of Washington School of Medicine and Children's Hospital and \nMedical Center, Seattle; M Goldoft, MD, B Bartleson, MPH; J Lewis, JM \nKobayashi, MD, State Epidemiologist, Washington Dept of Health. G Billman, MD, \nJ Bradley, MD, Children's Hospital, San Diego; S Hunt, P Tanner, RES, M \nGinsberg, MD, San Diego County Dept of Health Svcs; L Barrett, DVM, SB Werner, \nMD, GW Rutherford, III, MD, State Epidemiologist, California Dept of Health \nSvcs. RW Jue, Central District Health Dept, Boise; H Root, Southwest District \nHealth Dept, Caldwell; D Brothers, MA, RL Chehey, MS, RH Hudson, PhD, Div of \nHealth, Idaho State Public Health Laboratory, FR Dixon, MD, State \nEpidemiologist, Div of Health, Idaho Dept of Health and Welfare. DJ Maxson, \nEnvironmental Epidemiology Program, L Empey, PA, O Ravenholt, MD, VH Ueckart, \nDVM, Clark County Health District, Las Vegas; A DiSalvo, MD, Nevada State \nPublic Health Laboratory; DS Kwalick, MD, R Salcido, MPH, D Brus, DVM, State \nEpidemiologist, Div of Health, Nevada State Dept of Human Resources. Center \nfor Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, Food and Drug Administration. Food \nSafety Inspection Svc, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Svc, US Dept of \nAgriculture. Div of Field Epidemiology, Epidemiology Program Office; Enteric \nDiseases Br, Div of Bacterial and Mycotic Diseases, National Center for \nInfectious Diseases, CDC. \n\nEditorial Note: E. coli O157:H7 is a pathogenic gram-negative bacterium first \nidentified as a cause of illness in 1982 during an outbreak of severe bloody \ndiarrhea traced to contaminated hamburgers (2). This pathogen has since \nemerged as an important cause of both bloody diarrhea and HUS, the most common \ncause of acute renal failure in children. Outbreak investigations have linked \nmost cases with the consumption of undercooked ground beef, although other \nfood vehicles, including roast beef, raw milk, and apple cider, also have been \nimplicated (3). Preliminary data from a CDC 2-year, nationwide, multicenter \nstudy revealed that when stools were routinely cultured for E. coli O157:H7 \nthat organism was isolated more frequently than Shigella in four of 10 \nparticipating hospitals and was isolated from 7.8% of all bloody stools, a \nhigher rate than for any other pathogen. \n     Infection with E. coli O157:H7 often is not recognized because most \nclinical laboratories do not routinely culture stools for this organism on \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page  7\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\nSMAC medium, and many clinicians are unaware of the spectrum of illnesses \nassociated with infection (4). The usual clinical manifestations are diarrhea \n(often bloody) and abdominal cramps; fever is infrequent. Younger age groups \nand the elderly are at highest risk for clinical manifestations and \ncomplications. Illness usually resolves after 6-8 days, but 2%-7% of patients \ndevelop HUS, which is characterized by hemolytic anemia, thrombocytopenia, \nrenal failure, and a death rate of 3%-5%. \n     This report illustrates the difficulties in recognizing community \noutbreaks of E. coli O157:H7 in the absence of routine surveillance. Despite \nthe magnitude of this outbreak, the problem may not have been recognized in \nthree states if the epidemiologic link had not been established in Washington \n(1). Clinical laboratories should routinely culture stool specimens from \npersons with bloody diarrhea or HUS for E. coli O157:H7 using SMAC agar (5). \nWhen infections with E. coli O157:H7 are identified, they should be reported \nto local health departments for further evaluation and, if necessary, public \nhealth action to prevent further cases. \n     E. coli O157:H7 lives in the intestines of healthy cattle, and can \ncontaminate meat during slaughter. CDC is collaborating with the U.S. \nDepartment of Agriculture's Food Safety Inspection Service to identify \ncritical control points in processing as a component of a program to reduce \nthe likelihood of pathogens such as E. coli O157:H7 entering the meat supply. \nBecause slaughtering practices can result in contamination of raw meat with \npathogens, and because the process of grinding beef may transfer pathogens \nfrom the surface of the meat to the interior, ground beef is likely to be \ninternally contaminated. The optimal food protection practice is to cook \nground beef thoroughly until the interior is no longer pink, and the juices \nare clear. In this outbreak, undercooking of hamburger patties likely played \nan important role. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued interim \nrecommendations to increase the internal temperature for cooked hamburgers to \n155 F (86.1 C) (FDA, personal communication, 1993). \n     Regulatory actions stimulated by the outbreak described in this report \nand the recovery of thousands of contaminated patties before they could be \nconsumed emphasize the value of rapid public health investigations of \noutbreaks. The public health impact and increasing frequency of isolation of \nthis pathogen underscore the need for improved surveillance for infections \ncaused by E. coli O157:H7 and for HUS to better define the epidemiology of E. \ncoli O157:H7. \n\nReferences\n\n1. CDC. Preliminary report: foodborne outbreak of Escherichia coli O157:H7 \ninfections from hamburgers --western United States, 1993. MMWR 1993;42:85-6. \n\n2. Riley LW, Remis RS, Helgerson SD, et al. Hemorrhagic colitis associated \nwith a rare Escherichia coli serotype. N Engl J Med 1983;308:681-5. \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page  8\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\n\n3. Griffin PM, Tauxe RV. The epidemiology of infections caused by Escherichia \ncoli O157:H7, other enterohemorrhagic E. coli, and the associated hemolytic \nuremic syndrome. Epidemiol Rev 1991;13:60-98. \n\n4. Griffin PM, Ostroff SM, Tauxe RV, et al. Illnesses associated with \nEscherichia coli O157:H7 infections: a broad clinical spectrum. Ann Intern Med \n1988;109:705-12. \n\n5. March SB, Ratnam S. Latex agglutination test\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page  9\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\n            Use of Smokeless Tobacco Among Adults -- United States,\n                                     1991\n            =======================================================\n                   SOURCE: MMWR 42(14)   DATE: Apr 16, 1993\n\n     Consumption of moist snuff and other smokeless tobacco products in the \nUnited States almost tripled from 1972 through 1991 (1). Long-term use of \nsmokeless tobacco is associated with nicotine addiction and increased risk of \noral cancer (2) -- the incidence of which could increase if young persons who \ncurrently use smokeless tobacco continue to use these products frequently (1). \nTo monitor trends in the prevalence of use of smokeless tobacco products, \nCDC's 1991 National Health Interview Survey-Health Promotion and Disease \nPrevention supplement (NHIS-HPDP) collected information on snuff and chewing \ntobacco use and smoking from a representative sample of the U.S. civilian, \nnoninstitutionalized population aged greater than or equal to 18 years. This \nreport summarizes findings from this survey. \n     The 1991 NHIS-HPDP supplement asked \"Have you used snuff at least 20 \ntimes in your entire life?\" and \"Do you use snuff now?\" Similar questions were \nasked about chewing tobacco use and cigarette smoking. Current users of \nsmokeless tobacco were defined as those who reported snuff or chewing tobacco \nuse at least 20 times and who reported using snuff or chewing tobacco at the \ntime of the interview; former users were defined as those who reported having \nused snuff or chewing tobacco at least 20 times and not using either at the \ntime of the interview. Ever users of smokeless tobacco included current and \nformer users. Current smokers were defined as those who reported smoking at \nleast 100 cigarettes and who were currently smoking and former smokers as \nthose who reported having smoked at least 100 cigarettes and who were not \nsmoking now. Ever smokers included current and former smokers. Data on \nsmokeless tobacco use were available for 43,732 persons aged greater than or \nequal to 18 years and were adjusted for nonresponse and weighted to provide \nnational estimates. Confidence intervals (CIs) were calculated by using \nstandard errors generated by the Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) \n(3). \n     In 1991, an estimated 5.3 million (2.9%) U.S. adults were current users \nof smokeless tobacco, including 4.8 million (5.6%) men and 533,000 (0.6%) \nwomen. For all categories of comparison, the prevalence of smokeless tobacco \nuse was substantially higher among men. For men, the prevalence of use was \nhighest among those aged 18-24 years (Table 1); for women, the prevalence was \nhighest among those aged greater than or equal to 75 years. The prevalence of \nsmokeless tobacco use among men was highest among American Indians\/Alaskan \nNatives and whites; the prevalence among women was highest among American \nIndians\/Alaskan Natives and blacks. Among both men and women, prevalence of \nsmokeless tobacco use declined with increasing education. Prevalence was \nsubstantially higher among residents of the southern United States and in \nrural areas. Although the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use was higher among \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 10\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\nmen and women below the poverty level, * this difference was significant only \nfor women (p less than 0.05) (Table 1). \n     Among men, the prevalence of current use of snuff was highest among those \naged 18-44 years but varied considerably by age; the prevalence of use of \nchewing tobacco was more evenly distributed by age group (Table 2). Although \nwomen rarely used smokeless tobacco, the prevalence of snuff use was highest \namong those aged greater than or equal to 75 years. \n     An estimated 7.9 million (4.4% 95% CI=4.1-4.6) adults reported being \nformer smokeless tobacco users. Among ever users, the proportion who were \nformer smokeless tobacco users was 59.9% (95% CI=57.7-62.1). Among persons \naged 18-24 years, the proportion of former users was lower among snuff users \n(56.2% 95% CI=49.4-63.0) than among chewing tobacco users (70.4% 95% \nCI=64.2-76.6). Among persons aged 45-64 years, the proportion of former users \nwas similar for snuff (68.9% 95% CI=63.1-74.7) and chewing tobacco (73.5% \n95% CI=68.9-78.1). \n     Among current users of smokeless tobacco, 22.9% (95% CI=19.9-26.0) \ncurrently smoked, 33.3% (95% CI=30.0-36.5) formerly smoked, and 43.8% (95% \nCI=39.9-47.7) never smoked. In comparison, among current smokers, 2.6% (95% \nCI=2.3-3.0) were current users of smokeless tobacco. \n     Daily use of smokeless tobacco was more common among snuff users (67.3% \n95% CI=63.2-71.4) than among chewing tobacco users (45.1% 95% CI=40.6-\n49.6). \n\nReported by: Office on Smoking and Health, National Center for Chronic Disease \nPrevention and Health Promotion; Div of Health Interview Statistics, National \nCenter for Health Statistics, CDC. \n\nEditorial Note: The findings in this report indicate that the use of smokeless \ntobacco was highest among young males. Adolescent and young adult males, in \nparticular, are the target of marketing strategies by tobacco companies that \nlink smokeless tobacco with athletic performance and virility. Use of oral \nsnuff has risen markedly among professional baseball players, encouraging this \nbehavior among adolescent and young adult males and increasing their risk for \nnicotine addiction, oral cancer, and other mouth disorders (4). \n     Differences in the prevalence of smokeless tobacco use among \nracial\/ethnic groups may be influenced by differences in educational levels \nand socioeconomic status as well as social and cultural phenomena that require \nfurther explanation. For example, targeted marketing practices may play a role \nin maintaining or increasing prevalence among some groups, and affecting the \ndifferential initiation of smokeless tobacco use by young persons (5,6). \n     In this report, one concern is that nearly one fourth of current \nsmokeless tobacco users also smoke cigarettes. In the 1991 NHIS-HPDP, the \nprevalence of cigarette smoking was higher among former smokeless tobacco \nusers than among current and never smokeless tobacco users. In a previous \nstudy among college students, 18% of current smokeless tobacco users smoked \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 11\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\noccasionally (7). In addition, approximately 7% of adults who formerly smoked \nreported substituting other tobacco products for cigarettes in an effort to \nstop smoking (8). Health-care providers should recognize the potential health \nimplications of concurrent smokeless tobacco and cigarette use. \n     The national health objectives for the year 2000 have established special \npopulation target groups for the reduction of the prevalence of smokeless \ntobacco use, including males aged 12-24 years (to no more than 4% by the year \n2000 objective 3.9) and American Indian\/Alaskan Native youth (to no more \nthan 10% by the year 2000 objective 3.9a) (9). Strategies to lower the \nprevalence of smokeless tobacco use include continued monitoring of smokeless \ntobacco use, integrating smoking and smokeless tobacco-control efforts, \nenforcing laws that restrict minors' access to tobacco, making excise taxes \ncommensurate with those on cigarettes, encouraging health-care providers to \nroutinely provide cessation advice and follow-up, providing school-based \nprevention and cessation interventions, and adopting policies that prohibit \ntobacco use on school property and at school-sponsored events (5). \n\nReferences\n\n1. Office of Evaluations and Inspections. Spit tobacco and youth. Washington, \nDC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Office of the Inspector \nGeneral, 1992; DHHS publication no. (OEI-06)92-00500. \n\n2. National Institutes of Health. The health consequences of using smokeless \ntobacco: a report of the Advisory Committee to the Surgeon General. Bethesda, \nMaryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, \n1986; DHHS publication no. (NIH)86-2874. \n\n3. Shah BV. Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) version 5.30 Software \ndocumentation. Research Triangle Park, North Carolina: Research Triangle \nInstitute, 1989. \n\n4. Connolly GN, Orleans CT, Blum A. Snuffing tobacco out of sport. Am J Public \nHealth 1992;82:351-3. \n\n5. National Cancer Institute. Smokeless tobacco or health: an international \nperspective. Bethesda, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, \nPublic Health Service, National Institutes of Health, 1992; DHHS publication \nno. (NIH)92-3461. \n\n6. Foreyt JP, Jackson AS, Squires WG, Hartung GH, Murray TD, Gotto AM. \nPsychological profile of college students who use smokeless tobacco. Addict \nBehav 1993;18:107-16. \n\n7. Glover ED, Laflin M, Edwards SW. Age of initiation and switching patterns \n\nHICNet Medical Newsletter                                              Page 12\nVolume  6, Number 10                                           April 20, 1993\n\nbetween smokeless tobacco and cigarettes among college students in the United \nStates. Am J Public Health 1989;79:207-8. \n\n8. CDC. Tobacco use in 1986: methods and tabulations from Adult Use of Tobacco \nSurvey. Rockville, Maryland: US Department of Health and Human Services, \nPublic Health Service, CDC, 1990; DHHS publication no. (OM)90-2004. \n\n9. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and \ndisease prevention objectives. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and \nHuman Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS publication no. (PHS)91-\n50213.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n--------- end of part 1 ------------\n\n---\n      Internet: david@stat.com                  FAX: +1 (602) 451-1165\n      Bitnet: ATW1H@ASUACAD                     FidoNet=> 1:114\/15\n                Amateur Packet ax25: wb7tpy@wb7tpy.az.usa.na\n","751":"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602\/621-9615)\nSubject: To Rob Lanphier\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 82\n\nDear Rob,\n\n>When I read Brian K.'s postings, I find someone who is honestly seeking\n>the truth.  When I read your response here, I see condescension.  When you\n>reply to a post, reply to the post you quote.  This statement undermines\n>any good points you might have had (it was enough to make me stop reading).\n\nSometimes I do come across condesending, and I am sorry I come across that\nway at times.  Thank you for the reproach, I really do appreciate it.  I'll\ntry to get better.\n\nRob, at the same time, I have also learned that some people respond to the gentle\napproach while others respond only at a harsh rebuke.  Brian K., so far,\nonly responds to the latter.  And I am glad he responds at all.   In both\ncases of approach,  my intention is to be loving.  I am making no excuse\nfor myself if I am coming across condesending.  I apologize for that.\n\nRob, sometimes Brian K. comes across as honest. I know this.  But Brian K. \nvasillates back and forth.  One post looks honest; the next is\nan excuse.  Now he wants me to explain the universe in 50 words or less.  \nI think Brian Kendig is really trying but he is too comfortable with\nhis set of excuses.  \n\nI just want Brian K. to be honest with himself.  If he really wants\nto know, he will ask questions and stop asserting irrelevant excuses\nwhich have nothing to do with my God.   I wish Brian would read the\nBible for himself and come to his own decisions without being\nsidetracked with the temptation to mock God.\n\nFrom my perspective Rob, when I look at Brian Kendig, I see a man\nstanding out in the middle of a highway.  Off into the distance I \nsee a Mack truck heading right for him, but Brian K. is faced away\nfrom the oncoming truck.  He doesn't see it.   Here's is how I see\nthe dialog:\n\n\nMe:  \"Brian K, please step aside before you get run over.\" \n\nBK:  \"There is no truck.\"\n\nMe:  \"Turn around at look.\"\n\nBK:  \"No.\"\n\nMe:  \"Look!  You will be healthier if you do take a look at\n     the oncoming truck.\"\n\nBK:  \"No. Explain to me why trucks exist.\"\n\nMe:  \"Turn around or you will run over.\"\n\nBK:  \"No. I won't because I like hiking and tomorrow is Tuesday.\"\n\nMe:  \"You blind fool!  Why do you choose ignorance? You have nothing\n      to lose if you look.  But if do not look, you will certainly lose your life.\"\n      I do not want to see you squashed all over the road.\n\nBK:  \"It is my life to lose.  I rather not look.\n      Besides, a truck running over me will not harm me.\"\n      And by the way, I really have an open mind.\"\n\n\nSo is my motivation to belittle Brian, or to love Brian the best I know how?   \n\nI do not wish to single Brian Kendig out.  Because millions if not\nbillions of people fall into the same category.  Perhaps all people\nfall have fallen into this category at one time in their lives.  I have.\nI can now see the truck behind Brian.\n\nMy hope is that Brian will look and will see the ramifications of the\ntruck coming towards him.  My hope is that Brian will want to step out\nof the way.  My fear, though,  is that Brian will instead choose to glue himself\nto the middle of the highway, where he will certainly get run over.  But if\nhe so chooses, he so chooses, and there is nothing I can do beyond that\nto change his mind.   For it is his choice.   But at this very moment,\nBrian hasn't gotten even that far.  He is still at the point where he\ndoes not want to look.  Sure he moves his eyeball to appease me, but his\nhead will not turn around to see the entire picture.  So far he is\nsatisfied with his glimpse of the mountains off in the distance. \n\nThank you again Rob for your reproach.  I really do appreciate it.  (My\nwife tells me the same thing at times.)   :-)   I will try to do better.\n","752":"From: mmadsen@bonnie.ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)\nSubject: SE\/30 acc & graphics card?\nNntp-Posting-Host: bonnie.ics.uci.edu\nReply-To: mmadsen@ics.uci.edu (Matt Madsen)\nOrganization: Univ. of Calif., Irvine, Info. & Computer Sci. Dept.\nLines: 9\n\nAre there any graphics cards for the SE\/30 that also have, say, an 040\naccelerator?  There seem to be plenty of accelerator\/graphics cards for\nthe _SE_, but none (that I've seen) for the SE\/30.\n\nThanks\n\nMatt Madsen\nmmadsen@ics.uci.edu\n\n","753":"From: rdetweil@boi.hp.com (Richard Detweiler)\nSubject: Re: ESPN and Expansion\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <C5109u.7C0@ucdavis.edu> itlm013@dale.ucdavis.edu (Donnie Trump) writes:\n>I was watching Peter Gammons on ESPN last night, and he's got me a little\n>confused.\n>\n>While talking about expansion, he started mentioning people who might benefit\n>from the fringe players they'll be facing: McGriff hitting 50 home runs,\n>Sheffield getting 150 rbi's, and Glavine winning 25 games.  This was,\n>of course, all in reference to what happened the *other* times that baseball\n>has expanded (early 60's, late 60's, late 70's).\n>\n>What really confused me, though, was the mention of *AL* players who would\n>do well next year.  Specifically, Roger Clemens winning 25 games, and the\n>likes of McGwire and Gonzalez hitting 50 home runs.\n>\n>My question is:  How in the hell will the Rockies\/Marlins help the AL?  The\n>last time I looked, there wasn't a lot of talent jumping leagues.  Did I\n>miss something?\n>\n>Dennis Cleary\n>dfcleary@ucdavis.edu\n>\n\nI wondered the same thing.  When he first mentioned it, I thought he was\njust making a mistake but then he said it over and over.  And then in the\nexamples from other years, he gave stats for players from both leagues even\nwhen only one league expanded.\n\nSo (since stats *NEVER* lie :-) ), I guess there is an effect on both leagues\nbecause the expansion draft takes talent from both leagues equally making \nevery team in both leagues dilute their major league talent by calling up\nplayers that, normally, they would not have had there not been expansion.\n\nMake sense?\n","754":"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)\nSubject: Re: SHO clutch question (grinding noise?)\nOrganization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA\nLines: 9\n\nIn article <C5H6F8.LDu@news.rich.bnr.ca> jcyuhn@crchh574.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (James Yuhn) writes:\n>   That's not the clutch you're hearing, its the gearbox. Early SHOs have\n>   a lot of what is referred to as 'gear rollover' noise. You can generally\n\n\tI have one of the first SHOs built, and _mine_ doesn't make\nthis noise.\n\n\n\n","755":"From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu\nSubject: KREME\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: Cornell University\nLines: 8\n\nHi folks!\t\t\n\nRecently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only\t\none man's opinion.  \t\n\nAny one else have any experience with the stuff?\t\n\n\n","756":"From: feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com (Mike Feldman)\nSubject: Re: OK to set 54 lbs on top of Centris 610???\nKeywords: Centris\nNntp-Posting-Host: charm.urbana.mcd.mot.com\nOrganization: Motorola Computer Group, Urbana Design Center\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5HvJx.DJ7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> dlbg1912@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu\n\t(David L. Berk) writes:\n> I recently purchased a Centris 610 and a Mirror Technologies 19 inch\n> Mono monitor.  I'm wondering if it is OK to set the monitor on top\n> of the CPU.  The monitor weighs 54 lbs.\n>\n> I've called Apple.  The person I spoke with was not sure but was\n> going to find out and call me back in a couple of days.  That was\n> over a week ago....\n>\n> If anybody knows, please respond via email as I don't always have time\n> to read this group.  Thanks.\n>\n> David Berk\n> d-berk@uiuc.edu\n\nYea, thanks to lots of good information in this newsgroup, I was prepared\nfor lots of details (even shipping time ... got my C610 8\/230\/CD in 5 weeks).\nI guess my biggest disappointment is the lack of detail in the written\nspecs and documentation.  The case load spec is an example -- the setup\nsection says Apple 14\" and 16\" monitors can go on top, but 21\" and other\nbig ones can't.  Why couldn't they publish a maximum load?\n\nNow if I can figure out if there's any hope using the \"partition\" button\non the hard disk setup utility (do I dare just try it and see what happens?),\nthen maybe I can divide up the wealth among the family members a bit more\nsecurly.  The \"getting more information\" section of the manual suggested\ntrying other avenues before calling Apple, but didn't mention the net.\n-- \nMike Feldman, Motorola Computer Group,     (217) 384-8538, FAX (217) 384-8550\n1101 East University Avenue\t   Pager in IL (800) 302-7738, (217) 351-0009\nUrbana, IL 61801-2009 (mcdphx|uiucuxc)!udc!feldman feldman@urbana.mcd.mot.com\n","757":"From: bjones@TrentU.CA (NAME)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nReply-To: bjones@TrentU.CA\nOrganization: Trent University, Peterborough\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.091938.6821@hasler.ascom.ch>, kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh) writes:\n>\n>In article <C5H7qz.KyA@boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:\n>|> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote:\n>|> \n>|> : I never saw the guy.  The police said they thought the motive was to\n>|> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,\n>|> : and take the truck.  \n>|> : \n>|> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS.  AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!\n>|> \n>|> Sad.  This sort of thing is on the rise across the country.  South Florida\n>|> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers\n>|> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this.\n>\n>Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning\n>holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US)\n>destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world\n>countries - but not the US!\n\n>In response to this and other articles that have been written on this \nsubject, I would like to say that it is not just a US problem.  In southern \nOntario last summer there were several instances along the 401 where people \n(mainly truckers) were shot at from overpasses.  There are many sick people \nout there and it makes you wonder what the worlds coming to.\n>kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch\n","758":"From: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM (Alan Monday-WWCS Business Mgt. Group)\nSubject: Re: Solar Sail Data\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: packmind.ebay.sun.com\n\nHey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be\nfor Columbus+500?\n\nIn article 29848@news.duc.auburn.edu, snydefj@eng.auburn.edu (Frank J. Snyder) writes:\n>\n>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar\n> Sails. I understand that the JPL did an extensive study on the subject\n> back in the late 70's but I am having trouble gathering such information.\n>\n>Are there any groups out there currently involved in such a project ?\n\n\n\n\n","759":"From: REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov\nSubject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: FNAL\/AD\/Net\nLines: 70\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.33.1993.28409@athos.rutgers.edu>\nkilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes:\n>\n>There is no way out of the loop.\n\nOh contrer mon captitan!  There is a way.  Certainly it is not by human reason.\n Certainly it is not by human experience. (and yet it is both!)  To paraphrase\nSartre, the particular is absurd unless it has an infinite reference point.  It\nis only because of God's own revelation that we can be absolute about a thing. \nYour logic comes to fruition in relativism.  \n>\n>\"At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded.\"\n>                                                    -- Ludwig Wittgenstein\n\nAh, now it is clear.  Ludwig was a desciple of Russell. Ludwig's fame is often\nexplained by the fact that he spawned not one but two significant movements in\ncontemporary philosophy. Both revolve around Tractatus Logico-Philosphicus\n('21) and Philosophical Investigation ('53).  Many of Witt's comments and\nimplicit conclusions suggest ways of going beyond the explicit critique of\nlanguage he offers.  According to some of the implicit suggestions of Witt's\nthought, ordinary language is an invaluable resource, offering a necessary\nframework for the conduct of daily life.  However, though its formal features\nremain the same, its content does not and it is always capable of being\ntranscended as our experience changes and our understanding is deepened, giving\nus a clearer picture of what we are and what we wish to say.  On Witt's own\naccount, there is a dynamic fluidity of language.   It is for this reason that\nany critique of language must move from talking about the limits of language to\ntalking about its boundaries, where a boundary is understood not as a wall but\na threshold.\n  vonWrights's comment that Witt's \"sentences have a content that often lies\ndeep beneath the surface of language.\"  On the surface, Witt talks of the\ninsuperable position of ordinary language and the necessity of bringing\nourselves to accept it without question.  At the same time, we are faced with\nWitt's own creative uses of language and his concern for bringing about changes\nin our traditional modes of understanding.  Philosophy, then, through more\nperspicacious speech, seeks to effect this unity rather than assuming that it\nis already functioning. Yes?  The most brilliant of scientists are unable to\noffer a foundation for human speech so long as they reject Christianity! In his\nTractatus we have the well nigh perfect exhibition of the nature of the impasse\nof the scientific ideal of exhaustive logical analysis of Reality by man. \nPerfect language does not exist for fallen man, therefore we must get on about\nour buisness of relating Truth via ordinary language.\n\n  This is why John's Gospel is so dear to most Christians.  It is so simple in\nit conveyance of the revealation of God, yet so full of unlieing depth of\nunderstanding.  He viewed Christ from the OT concept of \"as a man thinketh, so\nhe is.\"  John looked at the outward as only an indicator of what was inside,\nthat is the consciousness of Christ.  And so must we.  Words are only vehicals\nof truth.  He is truth.  The scriptures are plain in their expounding that\nthere is a Truth and that it is knowable.  THere are absolutes, and they too\nare knowable.  However, they are only knowable when He reveals them to the\nindividual.  There is, and we shouldn't shy from this, a mysticism to\nChristianity.  Paul in ROm 8 says there are 3 men in the world.  There is the\none who does not have the Spirit and therefore can not know the things of the\nSpirit (the Spirit of Truth) and there is the one who has the Spirit and has\nthe capacity to know of the Truth, but there  is the third.  THe one who not\nonly has the Spirit, but that the Spirit has him! Who can know the deep things\nof God and reveal them to us other than the Spirit.  And it is only the deep\nthings of GOd that are absolute and true.\n   There is such a thing as true truth and it is real, it can be experienced\nand it is verifiable.  I disagree with Dr Nancy's Sweetie's conclusion because\nif it is taken to fruition it leads to relativism which leads to dispair.  \n\n\"I would know the words which He would answer me, and understand what He would\nsay unto me.\"  Job 23ff\n\n--Rex\n\nsuggested, easy reading about epistimology:  \"He is there and He is not Silent\"\n by Francis Schaeffer.\n","760":"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)\nSubject: Re: Debating special \"hate crimes\" laws\nOrganization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93\nLines: 61\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu\nIn-reply-to: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr4.235546.6450@midway.uchicago.edu>, \nthf2@midway.uchicago.edu said:\n\n> > This sort [of] separate treatment by the law has no place in an\n> > equal society; the solution to the fact that some classes are more\n> > vulnerable to attack or discrimination is to do what has always\n> > been done in response to imbalances in criminal activity and\n> > citizen protection: to allocate _law enforcement_ resources to\n> > more efficiently and effectively deal with the problems, not to\n> > rewrite the _law_ itself.  [wdstarr]\n>\n> So how do you feel about increased penalties for killing a policeman?\n> A federal employee?  Or to use both Scalia's and Stevens's example,\n> increased penalties for threatening the president?  (I'm assuming\n> that, like all good people, you oppose the marital exemption for rape,\n> so I won't bring that up.)\n\nIn order of your questions, I oppose it, I oppose it, I oppose it and\n(Huh?  Wha?  Where did _that_ topic come from and what's it got to do\nwith the discussion at hand? :-)\n\nWhen I was discussing the concept of different criminal laws for crimes\nagainst different classes of people (and yes, I do consider laws which\nallow\/mandate enhanced penalties following conviction based upon the\nconvict's attitudes towards the class membership of the victim to fit\ninto that category), the category of classes I had in mind was that of\nthe standard civil rights discussion -- classes based upon race, gender,\nethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc.  Having you ask about\nclasses based upon one's _profession_ rather than one's personal\ncharacteristics caught me off guard, and I had to think out the question\nfrom scratch.\n\nWhat I finally decided was that the law should not recognize such\nclasses because to do so would be to formally and officially declare\nsome people to be of more worth than others, and that would be anathema\nto the underlying American concept of equal treatment under the law.\n\nLast year, when a federal crime bill was under consideration which would\nhave expanded the federal death penalty to an additional fifty-plus\ncrimes, including the murder of various federal officers hitherto not\nprotected by that \"aura of deterrence,\" critics pointed out the\nabsurdity of having laws which made the death penalty available for the\nmurder of a federal postal inspector but not for ther murder of a\ncivilian teacher, when the latter [arguably] provided a much more\nvalueable service and therefore would be the greater loss to society.\nThis was an emotionally compelling argument, but even the proponents of\nthat viewpoint appeared to tacitly assume that the state should judge\nsome lives as being more valuable than others on the basis of their\n\"contribution to society.\"  I view that doctrine as being both (a)\npersonally repugnant and (b) repugnant to the Equal Protection clause of\nthe 14th Amendment.\n\nAccordingly, I believe that there should be no laws which give any\nprofession-based class of people special protection (via the mechanism\nof supplying stronger statutory deterrence of crimes against members of\nthat class), not even police officers, federal officers or high-ranking\nmembers of the Executive Branch of the federal government.\n\n-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>\n\n","761":"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nSubject: Re: A silly question on x-tianity\nReply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.175557.20296@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes:\n\n>Sorry to insult your homestate, but coming from where I do, Wisconsin\n>is _very_ backwards.  I was never able to understand that people actually\n>held such bigoted and backwards views until I came here.\n\nI have never been to Wisconsin, though I have been to\nneighbor Minnesota. Being a child of the Middle Atlantic (NY, NJ, PA)\nI found that there were few states in the provences that stood\nout in this youngster's mind: California, Texas, and Florida to \nname the most obvious three.  However, both Minnesota and Wisconsin\nstuck out, solely on the basis of their politics.  Both have \nalways translated to extremely liberal and progressive states.\nAnd my recent trip to Minnestoa last summer served to support that\nstate's reputation.  My guess is that Wisconsin is probably the\nsame.  At least that was the impression the people of Minnesota left\nwith me about their neighbors.\n\nThe only question in my head about Wisconsin, though, is \nwhether or not there is a cause-effect relationship between\ncheese and serial killers :)\n\n-jim halat\n","762":"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: japanese moon landing?\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <C5Kys1.C6r@panix.com> dannyb@panix.com (Daniel Burstein) writes:\n>A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention\n>about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just\n>managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon.\n\nTheir Hiten engineering-test mission spent a while in a highly eccentric\nEarth orbit doing lunar flybys, and then was inserted into lunar orbit\nusing some very tricky gravity-assist-like maneuvering.  This meant that\nit would crash on the Moon eventually, since there is no such thing as\na stable lunar orbit (as far as anyone knows), and I believe I recall\nhearing recently that it was about to happen.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n                    - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n","763":"From: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se (Markus Strobl 98121)\nSubject: Re: Photo radar (was Re: rec.autos: Frequently\nNntp-Posting-Host: st83.ericsson.se\nReply-To: etxmst@sta.ericsson.se\nOrganization: Ericsson Telecom AB\nLines: 50\n\nIn article 2211@viewlogic.com, brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:\n>\n>In article <1993Mar20.050303.8401@cabot.balltown.cma.COM>, welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty) writes:\n>\n>|> Q:  What is Ka band radar?  Where is it used?  Should a radar detector be\n>|>     able to handle it? \n>|> \n>|> A:  Ka band has recently been made available by the FCC for use in the US\n>|>     in so-called photo-radar installations.  In these installations, a\n>|>     low-powered beam is aimed across the road at a 45 degree angle to the\n>|>     direction of traffic, and a picture is taken of vehicles which the\n>|>     radar unit determines to have been in violation of the speed limit.\n>|>     Tickets are mailed to the owner of the vehicle.  Because of the low\n>|>     power and the 45 degree angle, many people believe that a radar\n>|>     detector cannot give reasonable warning of a Ka band radar unit,\n>|>     although some manufacturers of radar detectors have added such\n>|>     capability anyway.  The number of locales where photo-radar is in use\n>|>     is limited, and some question the legality of such units.  Best advice:\n>|>     learn what photo radar units look like, and keep track of where they\n>|>     are used (or else, don't speed.)\n>\n>Photo radar and mailed tickets make no sense at all. Speeding is a moving \n>violation, committed by the operator, not the owner. The owner may be a \n>rental agency, a dealer, a private party, or a government agency. As long\n>as the owner has no reason to expect the operator will be driving illegally\n>or unsafely, the owner cannot be held responsible for what the operator does.\n>The car may even have been driven without the owner's knowledge or consent. \n>I can't believe a mailed ticket, where the driver is not identified, would \n>stand up in court. This is obviously a lazy, cynical, boneheaded, fascist \n>way to extort revenue, and has nothing to do with public safety.\n>\n>- BK\n>\n\n\nWe had those f*****g photo-radar things here in Sweden a while ago.\nThere was a lot of fuzz about them, and a lot of sabotage too (a spray-can\nwith touch-up paint can do a lot of good...).\n\nEventually they had to drop the idea as there were a lot of court-cases\nwhere the owner of the car could prove he didn't drive it at the time\nof speeding.\n\nI especially recall a case where it eventually proved to be a car-thief that\nhad stolen a car and made false plates. He, ofcourse, chose a license number\nof a identical car, so the photo seemed correct...\n\nIn conclosion: Photo-radar sucks, every way you look at it!\n\n\/ Markus \n","764":"From: koc@rize.ECE.ORST.EDU (Cetin Kaya Koc)\nSubject: Re: Seventh Century A.D. Armenian Math Problems\nOrganization: College of Engineering, Oregon State University\nLines: 32\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rize.ece.orst.edu\n\n> Problem 1\n> \n> My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the \n> Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed extraordinary \n> heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the Persian troops. \n> The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. The second time, \n> pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the soldiers. The third \n> time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. The Persians who were \n> still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to Nakhichevan. And so, from \n> this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers there were before the  \nmassacre.\n> \n\nAnswer: a(1-1\/2-1\/4-1\/11)=280 -> a = 1760\n\nCorollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After all,\n           they are not as innocent as the asala network claims.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","765":"From: chrism@col.hp.com (Chris Magnuson)\nSubject: FORSALE: RADIUS Precision Color 24x Video Card\nOrganization: HP Colorado Springs Division\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpcsrc13.col.hp.com\n\n  I have a Radius Precision Color 24x video card for the Mac that fits in a \nNuBus slot.  The card has 3 Mb of VRAM on it, which means that 24-bit color \nis possible on the card!  The card supports just about any monitor scan\nrate you can think of (I used it at 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768, but it\ncan go higher).  You can switch resolutions and depth on the fly with a\nsoftware control panel.\n\n  This is the ACCELERATED version of the card, which means all QuickDraw \ncalls are not executed by the CPU but taken over by the video card, freeing\nup the mac processor for other tasks. \n\n  The cheapest I could find this card for when I called around last night\nwas $1738 at Mac's Place.  I will sell it for $1250 + shipping.  It is just\nover a year old and never been any problem.  It comes with software and the\noriginal manuals.\n\n  Hurry!\n\nChris Magnuson\nchrism@col.hp.com\nHewlett-Packard Company\n(719) 590-2963\n","766":"From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)\nSubject: Re: Young Catchers\nArticle-I.D.: blue.8007\nOrganization: Department of Industrial Engineering\nLines: 81\n\nmss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said:\n>In article <7975@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:\n>>mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said:\n>>>\n>>>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact\n>>>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball.  \n>>\n>>Yes.  But this is *irrelevant*.  You're talking about averages, when we\n>>have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our\n>>decisions on.\n>\n>Do you really have *that* much information on him?  Really?\n\nI don't personally, but Clay just posted it.  Yes, we do.  \n\nUnfortunately, it shows that Lopez wasn't as good an example as Nieves would\nhave been, since his last year numbers were out of line with the previous\nyears (which I didn't have access to).\n\nThe point remains, though; knowing a guy's minor league history is as good\nas knowing his major league history, if you know how to read it.\n\n>>Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well?  He hit that well last year (after\n>>adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an\n>>absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did.  By a lot.\n>\n>I don't know.  You tell me.  What percentage of players reach or \n>exceed their MLE's *in their rookie season*?  We're talking about\n>1993, you know.\n\nThe MLE is not a *projection*, it's an *equivalence*.  It's a \"this is how\nwell he hit *last* year, in major league terms\" rating.  So, in essence, he\nhas *already* reached it.  I would guess (Bob?  Clay?) that essentially half\nof all players surpass their previous MLEs in their rookie seasons.  Maybe\nmore than half, since all of these players are young and improving.\n\n>If that were your purpose, maybe.  Offerman spent 1992 getting \n>acclimated, if you will.  The Dodgers as a team paid a big price\n>that season.  \n\nDid they?  Offerman may have been the difference between 4th or 5th place\nand last place, but no more.\n\n>Perhaps they will reap the benefits down the road.\n>Do you really think they would have done what they did if they\n>were competing for a pennant?\n\nSure; they didn't have anyone better.  I suppose they might have gutted the\nfarm system to acquire Jay Bell or Spike Owen or somebody if they were really\nin contention. \n\n>>The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he\n>>hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager\n>>to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him\n>>down \"until he gets warmed up\".\n>\n>For a stat-head, I'm amazed that you put any credence in spring\n>training.  \n\nIf you'd read what I wrote, you'd be less amazed.  Nowhere do I claim to put\nany credence in spring training.  Quite the contrary; I said that Lopez hadn't\ndone anything that even the bozos who *do* put credence in spring training\ncould interpret as \"failure\".  Just because I think spring training numbers\nare meaningless doesn't mean that Bobby Cox does; it's just a case of ruling\nout one possible explanation for sending Lopez down.\n\n>>>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA, \n>>\n>>Just like Keith Mitchell did?\n>\n>Wait a minute.  I missed something here.  \n\nKeith Mitchell did very very well at AA, AAA, and the majors over a season,\nthen did very, very poorly for a year in AAA.\n\n\n-- \n  David M. Tate   |  (i do not know what it is about you that closes\n  posing as:      |  and opens; only something in me understands\n   e e (can       |  the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's)\n     dy) cummings |  nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands\n","767":"From: smithr@teecs.UUCP (Robert Smith)\nSubject: Re: Conductive Plastic, what happened?\nOrganization: Litton Systems, Toronto ONT\nLines: 7\n\nIf you're thinking of reactive polymers they're making ESD safe\ncontau\biners out of it. As far as being conductive goes anything with\na resistance less than 10 to the fouth\b\brth power ohms per cubic measure\nis classed as conductive per MIL-STD-1686 for ESD protection. My $0.02\n($0.016 US).\n\nBob.\n","768":"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee)\nSubject: Re: transparent widgets--how?\nReply-To: klee@synoptics.com\nOrganization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com\n\nIn article AA16720@ntep2.ntep.tmg.nec.co.jp, cerna@ntep.tmg.nec.co.JP (Alexander Cerna (SV)) writes:\n>I need to write an application which does annotation notes\n>on existing documents.  The annotation could be done several\n>times by different people.  The idea is something like having\n>several acetate transparencies stacked on top of each other\n>so that the user can see through all of them.  I've seen\n>something like this being done by the oclock client.\n>Could someone please tell me how to do it in Xt?\n>Thank you very much.\n\nThe oclock widget was written using the SHAPE extension.\nYou can do the same in your widgets.  Few current widgets\nsupport SHAPE, so you'll have to subclass them to add that\nfunctionality.\n\n---\nKen Lee, klee@synoptics.com\n","769":"Subject: WIN\/DOS Misc. Software\nFrom: michael.leonard@exchange.wyvern.com (Michael Leonard)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: EXCHANGE BBS *21 Nodes*  Tidewaters \"Window to the World\" 14.4bis (804)552-1010\nLines: 75\n\n                  Help me make money for a new modem\n                         $180.00 takes it ALL\n\n              ***** SHIPPING NOT INCLUDED IN PRICE *****\n\n  *   All original documentation & disks are include.\n      Some software unregistered, others will have letter for transfer\n      of ownership.\n\n  *   Will sell software seperately, purchase must be greater than\n      $30.00.\n\n  *   Purchases over $60.00 get choice of two (2) software selections\n      with \"*\" footnote\n\n  W - Windows 3.x version\n  D - DOS version\n  R - Registered (letter of transfer)\n  U - Unregistered\n  * - Special offer\n\nMS Windows 3.0\nMS Windows 3.0 Resource Kit (bound ed.). . . . . . . . . . $ 15.00 WR\n\nNorton Desktop for Windows 1.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 15.00 WR\n\nMS Excel 4.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 70.00 WR\n   Gateway 2000 version (all docs & disks MS)\n   This is the real thing, it only shipped\n   with my computer!!\n\nMicroCourier 1.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 15.00 WU\n   Communucations software\n\nMS Entertainment Pack I. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 10.00*WR\n\nMicroProse's Gunship 2000 (VGA only). . . . . . . . . . . .$ 20.00 DU\n\nLinks 386-PRO. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 25.00 DR\n   Includes Bountiful Golf Course\n\nWing Commander II\n(Vengeance of the Kilrathi!). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 20.00 DR\n\nF-15 Strike Eagle II. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR\n\nRisk (EGA). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$  8.00*DU\n\nEasyFlow 6.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 35.00 DU\n   Brand new - Never used\n\nQuicken 4.0. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 15.00 DR\n\nFranklin Language Master. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR\n    Not a spell checker, but a dictionary\n    TSR that pops up for any DOS app.\n    Each word has direct link to the thesaurus\n\nIBM DOS 4.00. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 10.00*DR\n\n                                            TOTAL. . . . . $313.00\n                                          - DISCOUNT. . . .$133.00\n                                                           -------\n                                            YOUR COST. . . $180.00\n\n\n\n\n\nCall Michael @ (804) 486-7018 any day between 10a & 10p est. or leave\nE-mail.  Thanks!\n\n                                                                                                                    \n---\n\u00fe VbReader V1.4 \u00fe*** BUSH Presidency ABORTED - RECOVERY Hopeful!!! ***\n","770":"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)\nSubject: Randy Weaver trial update: Day 4.\nNntp-Posting-Host: gozer\nOrganization: SigSauer Fan Club \nLines: 87\n\nNote: These trial updates are summarized from reports in the\n_Idaho Statesman_ and the local NBC affiliate television\nstation, KTVB Channel 7.\n\nRandy Weaver\/Kevin Harris trial update: Day 4.\n\nFriday, April 16, 1993 was the fourth day of the trial.\n\nSynopsis: Defense attorney Gerry Spence cross-examined agent\nCooper under repeated objections from prosecutor Ronald\nHowen.  Spence moved for a mistrial but was denied.\n\nThe day was marked by a caustic cross-examination of Deputy\nMarshal Larry Cooper by defense attorney Gerry Spence.  Although\nSpence has not explicitly stated so, one angle of his stategy\nmust involve destroying the credibility of agent Cooper.  Cooper is\nthe government's only eyewitness to the death of agent Degan.\nSpence attacked Cooper's credibility by pointing out discrepancies\nbetween Cooper's statements last September and those made in court.\nCooper conceded that, \"You have all these things compressed into\na few seconds...It's difficult to remember what went on first.\"\n\nCooper acknowledged that he carried a \"9mm Colt Commando submachine\ngun with a silenced barrel.\" [I thought a Colt Commando was a revolver!]\nCooper continued by stating that the federal agents had no specific\nplans to use the weapon when they started to kill Weaver's dog.\n\nWhen Spence asked how seven cartridges could be fired by Degan's\nM-16 rifle when Degan was apparently dead, Cooper could not say for\nsure that Degan did not return fire before going down.\n\nSpence continued by asking with how many agents (and to what extent)\nhad Cooper discussed last August's events, Cooper responded, \"If\nyou're implying that we got our story together, you're wrong,\ncounselor.\"  Spence continued to advance the defense's version of\nthe events: Namely, that a marshal had started the shooting by\nkilling the Weaver's dog.  Cooper disagreed.\n\nAssistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Howen repeatedly objected to Spence's\nvirulent cross-examination of agent Cooper, arguing that the questions\nwere repetitive and Spence was wasting time.  Howen also complained \nthat Spence was improperly using a cross-examination to advance the\ndefense's version of the events.  U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge\nsustained many of the objections; however, both lawyers persisted\nuntil Judge Lodge had the jury leave the room and proceded to\nadmonish both attorneys.  \"I'm not going to play games with either\ncounsel.  This has been a personality problem from day 1, so start\nacting like professionals.\"\n\nSpence told the judge that, \"When all the evidence is in, we'll see\nthat ... his [agent Larry Cooper] testimony is not credible, that\nhe was panicked and cannot remember the sequence of events.\" \nSpence continued, \"We're going to find...that there is a very unlikely\nsimilarity - almost as if it had come out of a cookie cutter - between\nthe testimony of Mr. Cooper and the other witnesses.\"\n\nSpence then moved for a mistrial on the grounds that Howen's repeated\nobjections would prevent a fair trial, \"We can't have a fair trial if the\njury believes I'm some sort of charlatan, if the jury believes I'm\nbending the rules or engaging in some delaying tactic or that I'm\nviolating court orders.\"\n\nJudge Lodge called the notion that his repeated sustainings of Howen's\nobjections had somehow prejudiced the jury was \"preposterous\" and\ndenied the motion for a mistrial.  Lodge did tell Howen to restrict\nhis comments when objecting.\n\nThe trial resumed with the prosecution calling FBI Special Agent Greg\nRampton.  The prosecution's purpose was simply to introduce five\nweapons found in the cabin as evidence: However, the defense seized\non the opportunity to further address Cooper's credibility.\n\nDefense attorney Ellison Matthews (Harris' other attorney) questioned\nRampton about the dog.  Rampton stated that there were no specific\nplans to kill the Weaver's dog without being detected.  Matthews then\nhad Rampton read  a Septtember 15, 1992 transcript in which Rampton\nhad said that Cooper had said that the purpose of the silenced weapon\nwas to kill the dog without being detected, if the dog chased them.\nRampton then acknowledged that he believed that Cooper had said that,\nbut he could not remember when.  He then stated that, \"I did not conduct\nthe primary interview with Deputy Cooper, but I have had conversations\nwith him since the interview was conducted.\"\n\nMonday, April 19, 1993 will begin the fifth day of the trial.  Scheduled\nis the continued cross-examination of FBI agent Greg Rampton.\n\n\n","771":"From: daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS)\nSubject: Re: Integra GSR\nArticle-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.234729.100387\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 67\n\nIn article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J\non Cochran) writes:\n>> >     I'd like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt\n>> >anyday, and it's a lot cheaper to boot\n>>\n>> I will take this one with a definate grain of salt.  Performance data shows a\n>>\n>> If this poster has some proof(other than \"my friend blew one away last week\"\n>\n>\n>     Want proof?  Here is some data on acceleration and handling from\n>Motor Trend (apr '93).\n>\n>          Integra GS-R     Beretta GTZ\n>\n>0-60         7.7             7.7\n>1\/4 mile     16.0\/88.1       16.1\/87.8\n>L acc (g's)  .84             .86\n>Slalom       63.7            68.4\n>***WRONG***\nWhy don't you look again at Motor Trend's, slalom times, they are 67.9, right\nalong with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that\nare all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than\na Beretta.\nYour acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine\nRoad & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track.\nAlso Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1\nYou can't tell exactly by the numbers.  Furthermore, the Integra will\ndefinately outrun the Beretta on the high end.  Car & Driver and Road & track\nhave the GS-R doing 136 to 141 mph, and it gets there fast.\n\n\n>     So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep\n>up with it in acceleration.  And the Beretta probably has a higher top\n>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160\/117 (hp\/torque) for the\n>Integra vs. 180\/160 for the Beretta).\n***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see\nfor your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000\nrpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!)\n\n>     The biggest advantage would have to be the price.  The Integra costs\n>$19,111 (as tested Motor Trend), the GTZ costs $16,134 (as tested).  The\n>GTZ also has standard nicities and Airbag and Antilock brakes.  An airbag\n>is not available on the Integra and lower models do not have ABS.\n>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4\n>is a reliable engine, it doesn't make sense to get the Integra as a\n>performance coupe, which is what people have been trying to make it out\n>to be.\n>\n\nQuad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable,\nthen its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect\n (not to mention, a hell of alot smoother and quieter - balance shafts.The Acura has the engine\n   wins the reliablity contest hands down. You can rev that car all day, everyday,\nand you'll never blow a hose, or crack the block, or anything else. (I speak\nfrom expierence!)\nI'm not saying the Quad 4 is a bad engine, but don't highlight reliability when you\ncomparing it to a Acura Engine.  AND while the Integra costs alot more, it is a\nbetter investment since it will hold its value considerably much better.  And\ndoes a nice job at being a sporty car and practical at the same time.\n\nNOTE: this isn't a flame on the GTZ, or other GM Quad 4 products.  THe Berreta\nis a nice car, and puts out respectable performance and a very reasonable\nprice not to mention, it has an Airbag.  But to start quoting figures from one\nsource, isn't too reliable.  Read other sources, and drive both cars.  While I\nhaven't driven a GTZ, I have driven GTs, and Grand Ams with Quad 4 engines,\n(so they are similair.)\n","772":"From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)\nSubject: Re: More Diamond SS 24X\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 23\n\ndil.admin@mhs.unc.edu (Dave Laudicina) writes:\n\n>Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this\n>card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on \n>latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors\n>in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup.\n>I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors\n>in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible\n>quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs.\n>What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2\/50.\n>Thx Dave L\n\nMight the problem not be with the video monitor instead?  Many of our\nmonitors, as they age, develop shadows on white and bright colors.\n\n-- \n Peter Goudswaard                  _________                     _________\n goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred)      |         |      __\/^\\__      |         |\n pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca           |         |      \\     \/      |         |\n pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca               |         |   _\/\\_\\   \/_\/\\_   |         |\n                                  |         |   >           <   |         |\n \"There's no gift like the present\"         |    >_________<    |         |\n    - Goudswaard's observation    |_________|         |         |_________|\n","773":"From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)\nSubject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion\nIn-Reply-To: rwert@well.sf.ca.us's message of 21 Apr 93 01:07:56 GMT\nOrganization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center\nReply-To: raible@nas.nasa.gov\nDistribution: na\nLines: 22\n\n\nIn article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:\n\n   I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.\n   This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride\n   (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, \n   fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).\n\nI'd say this is a very bad idea - you should start out with something\nmuch mellower so that neither one of you get in over your head.\nThat particular road requires full concentration - not the sort of\nthing you want to take a passenger on for the first time.\n\nOnce you both decide that you like riding together, and want to do\nsomething longer and more challenging, *then* go for a hard core road\nlike Mines-Mt. Hamilton.\n\nIn any case, it's *your* (moral) responsibility to make sure that she\nhas proper gear that fits - especially if you're going sport\nriding.\n\n- Eric\n","774":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: HELP for Kidney Stones ..............\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.143910.5826@wvnvms.wvnet.edu> pk115050@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:\n>My girlfriend is in pain from kidney stones. She says that because she has no\n>medical insurance, she cannot get them removed.\n>\n>My question: Is there any way she can treat them herself, or at least mitigate\n>their effects? Any help is deeply appreciated. (Advice, referral to literature,\n\nMorphine or demerol is about the only effective way of stopping pain\nthat severe.  Obviously, she'll need a prescription to get such drugs.\nCan't she go to the county hospital or something?\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","775":"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky)\nSubject: Re: Who's next?  Mormons and Jews?\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 14\n\nJohn Berryhill, Ph.D. writes\n\n>I don't know who's next, but I hope it's people who pick their noses\n>while driving.  \n\numm, please don't lump us all together. It's those blatant,\nfundamentalist pickers that give the rest of us a bad name. Some of\nus try very hard to be discreet and stay alert.\n\n--\nPeter M. Yadlowsky              |  Wake! The sky is light!\nAcademic Computing Center       | Let us to the Net again...\nUniversity of Virginia          |    Companion keyboard.\npmy@Virginia.EDU                |                      - after Basho\n","776":"From: N020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu\nSubject: Help! Need 3-D graphics code\/package for DOS!!!\nOrganization: Texas A&M University\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tamvm1.tamu.edu\n\n    Help!! I need code\/package\/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into\na wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and\nthe code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using\nforms a rectangular grid.\n   Please post your replies to the net so that others may benefit. IMHO, this\nis a general interest question.\n   Thank you!!!!!!\n","777":"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Re: Sandberg, Runs, RBIs (was: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series)\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nDistribution: na\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <C5JqBy.M7A@news.rich.bnr.ca> bratt@crchh7a9.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (John Bratt) writes:\n>RBIs and Runs scored are the two most important offensive statistics.  You\n>can talk about OBP and SLG% all you want, but the fact remains:\n>\n>\tThe team that scores more runs wins the game!\n>\t---------------------------------------------\n>\n>Flame Away\n\nSo what does that have to do with RBI's?  The team with the most RBI's\ndoesn't necessarily win the game.\n\nYes, runs are the most important statistice -- for a *team*.  (So why does\nevery newspaper rank team offense by batting average?)\n\nBut for an individual player, runs and RBIs are context-dependent, and tell\nus very little about the player himself, and more about his teammates and\nposition in the batting order.\n-- \nted frank                 | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |         I'm sorry, the card says \"Moops.\"\nthe u of c law school     | \nstandard disclaimers      | \n","778":"From: tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw)\nSubject: Newsgroup Split\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po.engin.umich.edu\n\nConcerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of\ndoing this.  I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading\nthis group, from code to hardware to algorithms.  I just think making 5\ndifferent groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts\na week per group.  I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum\nfor discussing all aspects of graphics.  Anyone else feel this way?\nJust curious.\n\n\nDaemon\n\n","779":"From: donyee@athena.mit.edu (Donald Yee)\nSubject: S3 86c805 w\/2MB = 1024x768x32k colors = Orchid Pipe Dream?\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 36\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu\n\nHi\n\tI have an Orchid Fahrenheit VLB with 2MB of DRAM.  It is an S3\n86c805 based card.  I had a problem for a while after installing my\nsecond meg of DRAM for the video, and thanks to Orchid, I got a fix\nfrom their tech support (it was jumper settings not given in the\nordinary manual.  I assume it would come with memory ordered from\nthem, so I guess I should be glad they didn't just say \"Buy the memory\nfrom us\" or something like that.)\n\n\tThe one thing that I was puzzled by was why there was not a\n1024x768x32k color mode on the thing, either in full screen or\nenlarged desktop mode.  My ATI Ultra Plus can handle that, given 2MB\nof memory.  All the 2MB buys you on the Fahrenheit is 1280x1024x256.\nJust ONE more mode.  GEEZ.  Had I known, I wouldn't have bothered.  I\nasked them why, and all I got was \"Your point is well taken, but\nOrchid's software developers are busy with other projects.\"\n\n\tSo, to get to the point, finally, ARE there any s3 86c805\ndrivers out there that can handle high res hicolor modes?  I'd love to\nget another card, but perhaps it will have to wait until the next\ngeneration of cards comes out, since this card came bundled with my\nsystem and it's not so easy to exchange these things unless they're\nbroken.\n\n\tIf you want these modes, steer away from Orchids s3 86c805\ncards (ie. VLB or VA\/VLB), at least until their developers are \"less\nbusy\".  If the magazines are to believed, I've only seen one s3 86c805\nproduct thus far which can handle 1024x768x32k color (Genoa?),\nalthough evenn that might be a misprint.\n\n\tPlease, if there are generic or semi-generic drivers out\nthere, let me know where I can get them.  800x600x32k is OK, but I\ncoulda gotten that with my ATI VGA Wonder XL.\n\nThanks.\ndonyee@athena.mit.edu\n","780":"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing\nFrom: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>\nSubject: Re: Bosox win again! (the team record is 9-3)\n <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu>\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.233404.16702@ncar.ucar.edu>, amj@rsf.atd.ucar.edu (Anthony\nMichael Jivoin) says:\n>\n>With the \"HAWK\", the Red Sox definitely have a chance for the\n>east this year. He brings class, work ethic and leadership to\n>the park each day.\n>\n\ntoo bad he doesn't bring the ability to hit, pitch, field or run.\n\nbob vesterman.\n\n","781":"From: Robert Andrew Ryan <rr2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <BUZZ.93Apr19125438@lion.bear.com>\n\nExcerpts from netnews.comp.windows.x: 19-Apr-93 Monthly Question about\nXCop.. Buzz Moschetti@bear.com (1055) \n\n> A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item to be drawn in the\n> Window.  This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() \n> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the\n> new item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler\n> that handles \"regular\" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven\n> exposures) take care of rendering the new image. \n\nHmmm.... Clearly?  Depends on your programming model.  It is not at all\nforbidden to draw outside the context of an expose event.  Certainly any\ninternal data structures should be maintained such that the visual\nappearance would be maintained properly whenever an expose event happens\nto be generated.  This doesn't preclude drawing immediately after\nupdating the datastructures though... \n\n-Rob \n \n","782":"From: littaum@atlantis.CSOS.ORST.EDU (Mike Littau)\nSubject: Final Public Dragon Magazine Update (Last chance for public bids)\nKeywords: Dragon Magazine Auction Bid\nArticle-I.D.: leela.1qs7o4$c2r\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: CS Dept. Oregon State University, Corvallis, Oregon.\nLines: 170\nNNTP-Posting-Host: atlantis.csos.orst.edu\n\nThis is the final public update to my dragon magazine auction.  If there\nare no new bids then the current bids stand (like that's gonna  happen.  :) ).\nAfter this, any updates will be by E-mail *ONLY*.  The entire auction \nwill end as soon as the bids stop coming in.  So if you want to get in\non  this, be sure to bid now.  All bids must be made in *AT LEAST*\n25 cent increments.  Buyer will pay shipping.  (Unless you have any\nparticular fancy, it will be US mail 4th class special, with lots of\npadding).  \nAll dragons are bagged.  The condition of them vary quite a bit, \nso I've come up with my own condition system.  Some dragons may be missing \nitems like the inserts.  If you have any questions, feel free to ask.\n*\nCondition ratings - Usually this is just an evaluation of the cover, as\nmost of the material inside is in great shape.\nExcellent - IE-\"As you find them in the store\"\nVery Good - Still in great condition, but can tell it's been boughten\nGood      - On down the line\nVery Fair\/fair - indicates lots of use (But still \"decent\")\nPoor      -  Indicates the material inside may be damaged (usually by\nscissors).  \nA * by the condition indicates that something from the magazine is \nmissing (usually the insert)\nI'll post another public update sometime this weekend (which will be the\nfinal public posting, after which the auction will be by e-mail until\nthe bidding stops)\n*\nAgain if you have any questions, ask away.\n*\narrow      $2.50 056 - Fair     *- Top secret module missing - Bard tunes - \nreal maps\nTN.DE7     $3.0  073 - Good      - Forest of Doom module (detached but \nincluded) - inner planes\nykchev     $1.75 074 - Good     *- Combat computer missing - 4 dragons \nTN.DE7     $1.50 078 - Good\/VG   - Monsters - aquatic AD&D module (detached \nbut included) - Language lesson\ngeoffrey   $1.50 079 - Good\/VG   - top secret module (detached but \nincluded) - magic resistance\nmayla      $2.50 081 - Fair      - High level AD&D module (detached but \nincluded) - poison - material spell components\nUCCXKVB    $2.00 082 - Very Fair*- Baton races game insert missing - spell \nresearch\nTN.DE7     $1.50 083 - Good\/VG   - Babba Yagga's Hut module (detached but \nincluded) - unarmed combat\ngeoffrey   $1.50 084 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Twofold talisman module\nsquidly    $1.75 085 - Good      - Twofold Talisman module - Clerics\nsquidly    $1.75 087 - Good      - Top secret module - Wildernes\ngeoffrey   $1.50 088 - Good     *- Elefant Hunt insert missing - Falling \ndamage - MARVEL-Phile\ngeoffrey   $1.50 089 - Good     *- Creature catalog missing - Shields - sci fi\nTN.DE7     $1.5  094 - Good      - Ranger changes - Creature catalog II \n(detached but included)\ngeoffrey   $1.50 095 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Into the Forgotten Realms \nmodule, detached but included\nykcheu     $2.75 098 - Fair      - 9th anniversary - Dragons - mutant manual\nUCCXKVB    $1.75 099 - Poor     *- Cover Missing - Treasure trove II, some \npictures cut out\nthedm      $2.50 100 - Good     *- poster missing - city beyond the gate \nmodule (detached but included) - \"raised dragon\" texture on cover\ngeoffrey   $1.50 101 - Fair     *- Cover missing - creature catalog III \n(detached but included)\ngeoffrey   $1.50 102 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Valley of earth mother \nmiddle level module (detached but included)\ngeoffrey   $1.50 103 - Fair     *- Cover loosly attached - Unearth arcana \nupdate missing - Future of AD&D - Centaur papers\ngeoffrey   $1.50 103 - Fair     *- Unearth arcana update missing \ngeoffrey   $1.50 104 - Fair\/VF   - Marvel module - thieves - cover detached \nbut included                                                                 \ngeoffrey   $1.50 105 - Fair      - AD&D module - invisibility - cover & back \ncover detached but included      \nUCCXKVB    $2.00 106 - Fair      - Cover 1\/2 on - variations of paladins - \nmore skills 4 rangers\nykcheu     $2.75 106 - Good\/VG   - Variations of paladins - more skills for \nrangers    \narrow      $2.50 107 - Fair     *- Cover missing - Dragons of glory \nsupplement\/questionaire\ngeoffrey   $1.50 108 - Good      - Mutant manual II - environmental \neffects - cover taped reinforced\nthedm      $2.00 108 - Very Good - Mutant manual II - environmental effects \nykcheu     $2.25 109 - Good      - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster\ngeoffrey   $1.50 109 - Very Fair - Customizing D&D classes - Agent 13 poster \nmissing\ngeoffrey   $1.50 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv\nsquidly    $1.75 110 - Very Good - House on the frozen lands module -10th anniv\ngeoffrey   $1.50 111 - Good      - Murder Mystery AD&D module\nykcheu     $2.50 112 - Very Good - Ultimate Article Index - Mesozoic monsters\nmayla      $2.50 114 - Very Fair - Elven Cavalier - remorhaz - Witch NPC class\nykcheu     $1.75 115 - Good      - Theives - harpies & snakes\nsquidly    $1.75 116 - Good\/VG   - 3-D ship cardboard insert - wild \nanimals - dr who\nUCCXKVB    $2.50 117 - Good\/VG   - Dice odds - creative campaigns - sage \nadvice - bazaar\ngeoffrey   $1.50 118 - Good      - Tournaments\/Competitions - Nibar's keep game\nUCCXKVB    $2.00 120 - VG\/EX     - April fool's issue\nUCCXKVB    $2.00 121 - Excellent - Oriental adventures - cardboard castle \ninsert\ngeoffrey   $1.50 122 - Excellent - 11th aniversary - African beasts - druids\nUCCXKVB    $2.50 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry\nthedm      $2.25 123 - Very Good - Magic and wizardry\narrow      $2.5  124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire\nUCCXKVB    $2.25 124 - Excellent - Aerial adventures - 2nd edition ?aire\ngeoffrey   $1.50 125 - Very Good - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - quasi elementals\ngeoffrey   $1.50 125 - VG\/EX     - Clay-O-Rama! - Chivalry - Quasi-elementals\nUCCXKVB    $2.50 126 - VG\/EX     - Undead\nUCCXKVB    $2.00 127 - Very Good - Fighters\n2FVPMANTEL $3.00 128 - Good      - King's Table insert game\n2FVPMANTEL $3.00 129 - Excellent - Demi-humans\nUCCXKVB    $2.50 130 - VG\/EX     - The arcane arts\nTFPAYN01   $2.50 131 - Excellent - Deepearth\narrow      $1.5  131 - VG\/EX     - Deepearth\nUCCXKVB    $2.0  132 - Very Good - ORCWARS! board game missing\narrow      $1.5  133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index\ngeoffrey   $1.50 133 - Very Good - Berserkers & Spies-Roman gods -marvel index\n2FVPMANTEL $3.00 134 - VG\/EX     - 12 anniversary - Dragons \ntbh1       $2    135 - Very Good - Archers - Space sage advice\nUCCXKVB    $2.0  135 - Very Good - Archers - Space Sage advice\ntbh1       $4.0  136 - Very Good - Cities & Urban adventures\ntbh1       $3    137 - Excellent - Wilderness\narrow      $1.5  138 - Very Good - Horror (Haloween)\nUCCXKVB    $3.25 139 - Very Good - Pages from the Mages\nUCCXKVB    $3.5  140 - Excellent - Clerics & Healers\ntbh1       $3    141 - Good      - Humanoids\ntbh1       $2    142 - Very Good - AD&D 2nd edition preview\nUCCXKVB    $3.25 143 - Very Good - DM's issue\nUCCXKVB    $2.00 145 - Very Good*- Poster missing - castles\nthedm      $2.5  146 - Very Good*- Poster missing - 13 anninversary - Dragons\ntbh1       $3.00 147 - Excellent - MAGUS! board game - magic\ntbh1       $3.5  148 - Excellent - Fighting - Deck of Many things insert\nTN.DE7     $2.0  149 - Excellent - (No particular feature)\nTN.DE7     $2.00 150 - Excellent - Horror (Halloween issue)\nTN.DE7     $2.00 151 - Excellent - Oriental Adventures\/Eastern \nTN.DE7     $2.00 152 - Good     *- Underdark - Poster missing is inside-\nslight crumple on cover, only noticable under inspection\nTN.DE7     $2.0  153 - Very Good - Gods\nTN.DE7     $1.75 154 - Good\/VG   - Poster - Dragonlance story - War\nTN.DE7     $2.00 155 - Excellent - Faeries - DUNGEON module\nTN.DE7     $1.75 157 - Very Good - Buck Rogers\nthedm      $2.00 158 - Very Good - 14th anniversary - Dragons\nUCCXKVB    $2.00 159 - Excellent - Spelljammer - Poster missing\nkohlmaas   $2.00 160 - Good\/VG  *- Urban adventures - AD&D trading card \ninsert missing\nUCCXKVB    $2.25 161 - Very Good - DM issue\nTN.DE7     $1.75 162 - Good      - Haloween - Poster missing\nthedm      $2.0  163 - Excellent - Monsterous compendum insert - Magic\nTN.DE7     $2.0  164 - Very Good - Oriental Adventures\nTN.DE7     $1.75 165 - VG\/EX     - Sea\/Undersea\nTN.DE7     $1.75 166 - Excellent*- Sci Fi (other games) - Dino wars insert \nmissing\nTN.DE7     $1.75 167 - Excellent - Nature\/Wilderness\nUCCXKVB    $2.5  169 - Very Good - Slight crease of back cover - Misc \nitems featured\nthedm      $2.5  170 - Good      - Slight crease in cover - Dragon kings game \ninsert - Dragons - 15th anniversary issue\nUCCXKVB    $2.00 171 - Excellent*- Missing poster & trading cards (ARGH!)\nCfrye      $2.75 172 - Excellent - Underdark\nhachiman   $2    173 - Excellent - Dark Sun\nintravai   $2    174 - Excellent - Horror\nintravai   $3.00 175 - Excellent - World building - Campaign help\nTN.DE7     $2.00 176 - Excellent - Elves - Giant poster inside\nTN.DE7     $1.5  177 - Very Good - Calender poster - DM help (gunpowder too)\nintravai   $3.0  178 - Excellent - Fighters & the Fighter class\nTN.DE7     $2.50 179 - Excellent - GENCON form - Magic items featured\nTN.DE7     $2.50 181 - Excellent - Calendar Poster - Mages\/Sorcerors\nTN.DE7     $2.50 182 - Excellent - 16 anniversary issue - Dragons\nTN.DE7     $2.50 184 - Excellent - Non Player Character enhancement\nTN.DE7     $1.75 185 - Excellent - Dark Sun Campaign Monsters - Dark Sun\ngeoffrey   $1.50 186 - Excellent - Haloween - Horror\nTN.DE7     $1.75 187 - Excellent - Wilderness - Outdoors\n\nIf you notice any errors, please let me know (other than slight name \nmisspellings, if it's close to your name, that's you. :)  )\n","783":"From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin)\nSubject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 48\n\nResponding to the moderator:\n\n>In article <Apr.14.03.09.07.1993.5494@athos.rutgers.edu> alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin) writes:\n>>\n>>Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal \n>>sovereignty.  What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these \n>>matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them \n>>but are absolute and should be binding on others.  It follows from this\n>>that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus \n>>anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing\n>>the wrong path.  This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the\n>>honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God.\n>\n>[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own\n>ability to know the truth.  There are also different paths in some\n>areas of practice.  But I'd like to see more clarification about what\n>you mean when you reject the idea of saying \"their specific beliefs\n>are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on\n>others.\"  If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that\n>the belief is something about God, history, etc....\n\nYes, I agree.  What I'm trying to point out is that, in matters of faith\n(i.e. tenets which are not logically persuasive), one may be convinced\nof the truth of certain things through, for instance, personal\nrevelation.  And its certainly fine to share that revelation or those\nbeliefs with others.  And I don't think that its arrogant, persay, to\naccepts matters of pure faith as truth for oneself.  Where I think the\nconflict arises is in assuming that, where disagreements on beliefs\narise, all others *must* have been given the same truth, and that God \nmust reveal His truth to everyone in such a way that all would \nhonestly agree.  I think this can lead to the conclusion that anyone \nwho disagrees with you are being sinful or dishonest; that they are \nrejecting something they *know* to be truth because it is inconvenient \nfor them, or because they wish to spurn God.\n\nI would say that this is equivalent to assuming that *all* truths one \nholds are universal and absolute.  And the problem I see with this is \nthat it negates the individuality of humans and their relationships with\nGod.  This does not mean there is no absolute truth; just that some areas\nof doctrinal disagreement may be areas where God has not established or \nrevealed that truth.  \n\n-- \ncomments, criticism welcome...\n-Ken\nalvin@ucsu.colorado.edu\n\n[I agree with you.  --clh]\n","784":"From: lpzsml@unicorn.nott.ac.uk (Steve Lang)\nSubject: Re: Objective Values 'v' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is)\nOrganization: Nottingham University\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <C5J718.Jzv@dcs.ed.ac.uk>, tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly) wrote:\n> In article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n> \n> >Science (\"the real world\") has its basis in values, not the other way round, \n> >as you would wish it.  \n> \n> You must be using 'values' to mean something different from the way I\n> see it used normally.\n> \n> And you are certainly using 'Science' like that if you equate it to\n> \"the real world\".\n> \n> Science is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe\n> and the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning\n> those perceptions.\n\nScience is the process of modeling the real world based on commonly agreed\ninterpretations of our observations (perceptions).\n\n> It has nothing to do with values as far as I can see.\n> Values are ... well they are what I value.\n> They are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience\n> rather than not, and so on.\n\nValues can also refer to meaning.  For example in computer science the\nvalue of 1 is TRUE, and 0 is FALSE.  Science is based on commonly agreed\nvalues (interpretation of observations), although science can result in a\nreinterpretation of these values.\n\n> Objective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are\n> applicable to everyone.\n\nThe values underlaying science are not objective since they have never been\nfully agreed, and the change with time.  The values of Newtonian physic are\ncertainly different to those of Quantum Mechanics.\n\nSteve Lang\nSLANG->SLING->SLINK->SLICK->SLACK->SHACK->SHANK->THANK->THINK->THICK\n","785":"From: pmhudepo@cs.vu.nl (Hudepohl PMJ)\nSubject: Re: Searching for a phonetic font\nOrganization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam\nLines: 23\n\nweidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de (Weidlich) writes:\n: I'm searching for a phonetic TrueType font for Windows 3.1. If \n: anybody knows one, please mail me!\n: \n: Thanks.\n: \n: dw \n: \n: \n: ##################################################################\n: Dipl.-Inform. Dietmar Weidlich    # IfADo, Ardeystr. 67          #\n: weidlich@arb-phys.uni-dortmund.de # D-4600 Dortmund 50           #\n: Phone ++49 231 1084-250           # >> Dr. B.: \"Koennten Sie das #\n: Fax   ++49 231 1084-401           #      MAL EBEN erledigen?\" << #\n\nYes, I'm looking for phonetic font(s) too! So if you know one,\nplease mail me too!\n\nThanks in advance\nPatrick Hudepohl\nVU Amsterdam\nThe Netherlands\n\n","786":"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: THE REPUBLIC OF TURKEY SOLD 400 TONES OF ARMENIAN BONES IN 1924. \nKeywords: April 24, 1993, 78th Anniversary of the Turkish Genocide of Armenians\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 68\n\n\t\t\tYarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1]\n\t\n\t\tCopyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company\n\t\t\tSpecial Cable to The New York Times\n\n   PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in\nthat port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a\nmysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there.\nThe bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and\nto be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the\nrumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated.\n\n\t\t\t- - - Reference - - -\n\n[1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom)\n\n\t\t\t- - - - - - - - - - - -\n\nOn the 78th Commemorative Anniversary of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians,\nwe remember those whose only crime was to be Armenian in the shadow of an \nemerging Turkish proto-fascist state. In their names we demand justice.\n\nIn April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed \nde-population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through a \ngenocidal extermination. This genocide was to insure that Turks exclusively\nruled over the geographic area today called the Republic of Turkey. The \nresult: 1.5 million murdered, 30 billion dollars of Armenian property stolen\nand plundered. This genocide ended nearly 3,000 years of Armenian civilization\non those lands. Today, the Turkish government continues to scrape clean any\nvestige of a prior Armenian existence on those lands. Today's Turkish\ngovernmental policy is to re-write the history of the era, to manufacture\ndistortion and generate excuses for their genocide of the Armenian people. In \nthe face of refutation ad nauseam, the Turkish Historical Society and cronies \nshamelessly continue to deny that any such genocide occurred. This policy \nmerely demonstrates that in the modern era, genocide is an effective state \npolicy when it remains un-redressed and un-punished. A crime unpunished is a \ncrime encouraged. Adolf Hitler took this cue less than 25 years after the \nsuccessful genocide of the Armenians.\n\nTurkey claims there was no systematic deportation of Armenians, yet...\nArmenians were removed from every city, town, and village in the whole of \nTurkey! Armenians who resisted deportation and massacre are referred to as \n\"rebels\".\n\nTurkey claims there was no genocide of the Armenians, yet...Turkish population\nfigures today show zero Armenians in eastern Turkey, the Armenian homeland.\n\nTurkey claims Armenians were always a small minority, yet...Turkey claims \nArmenians were a \"threat\".\n\nIn a final insult to the victims, the Republic of Turkey sold the bones of \napproximately 100,000 murdered Armenians for profit to Europe.\n\nToday, the Turkish government is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. The\nsuccess of this genocide is hangs over the heads of Turkey's Kurdish\npopulation.\n\nThe Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and\nproperty lost as a result of this genocide.\n\nARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE                              ERMENILER ADALET ISTIYOR\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org   | \"Armenia has not learned a lesson in\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  Anatolia and has forgotten the \nP.O. Box 382761                      |  punishment inflicted on it.\"  4\/14\/93\nCambridge, MA 02238                  |   -- Late Turkish President Turgut Ozal \n","787":"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic?\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nLines: 32\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\n\nforgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:\n> From article <1qcq3f$r05@fido.asd.sgi.com>, by livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com \n> (Jon Livesey):\n> > If there is a Western ethic against infanticide, why\n> > are so many children dying all over the world?\n> \n> The majority of the world isn't \"Western\".\n\nSuperficially a good answer, but it isn't that simple.  An awful lot of the\nstarvation and poverty in the world is directly caused by the economic\npolicies of the Western countries, as well as by the diet of the typical\nWesterner.  For instance, some third-world countries with terrible\nmalnutrition problems export all the soya they can produce -- so that it can\nbe fed to cattle in the US, to make tender juicy steaks and burgers.  They\nhave to do this to get money to pay the interest on the crippling bank loans\nwe encouraged them to take out.  Fund-raising for Ethiopia is a truly bizarre\nidea; instead, we ought to stop bleeding them for every penny they've got.\n\nPerhaps it's more accurate to say that there's a Western ethic against\nWestern infanticide.  All the evidence suggests that so long as the children\nare dying in the Third World, we couldn't give a shit.  And that goes for the\nsupposed \"Pro-Life\" movement, too.  They could save far more lives by\nfighting against Third World debt than they will by fighting against\nabortion.  Hell, if they're only interested in fetuses, they could save more\nof those by fighting for human rights in China.\n\nAnd besides, Suzanne's answer implies that non-Western countries lack this\nethic against infanticide.  Apart from China, with its policy of mandatory\nforced abortion in Tibet, I don't believe this to be the case.\n\n\nmathew\n","788":"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 24\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu\n\ncdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n:mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:\n:\n:> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day\n:> in Texas. \n:\n:Do YOU eat all your food cold?\n\nThank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it.\nI can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor.\n\nMr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart\nof the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use.\n\nMike Ruff\n\n\n-- \n- This above all, to thine own      S T R I D E R      mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n-     self be true.  --Polonius     *  * *****    **  *  * **** ***** *** *   *\nThose who would sacrifice essential *  *   *     *  * *  * *      *    *  **  *\n   liberties for a little temporary *  *   *     **** *  * ****   *    *  * * *\n   safety deserve neither liberty   *  *   *     *  * *  *    *   *    *  *  **\n   nor safety.  --B. Franklin       ****   *     *  * **** ****   *   *** *   *\n","789":"From: oz@ursa.sis.yorku.ca (Ozan S. Yigit)\nSubject: Re: List of large integer arithmetic packages\nIn-Reply-To: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu's message of 20 Apr 1993 16: 47:03 GMT\nOrganization: York U. Student Information Systems Project\nLines: 18\n\nMark Riordan writes:\n\n\t[a list of large-integer arithmetic packages elided]\n\nI thought I would note that except Lenstra's packages, none of the\nlarge-integer packages are in the public domain. As an alternative,\na straightforward *PD* implementation of Knuth's algorithms may be\nfound as a part of Uof Arizona's ICON distribution.\n\noz\n---\nWith diligence, it is possible to make | electric: oz@sis.yorku.ca\nanything run slowly.        --Tom Duff | ph:[416] 736 2100 x 33976\n\n\t\t\t\n\n\n\n","790":"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)\nSubject: Re: Blast them next time\nNntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 9\n\nIn article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:\n\n   [flame-bait, pure and simple]\n\n\n\n-- \n\n\n","791":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>>Well, chimps must have some system.  They live in social groups\n>>as we do, so they must have some \"laws\" dictating undesired behavior.\n>So, why \"must\" they have such laws?\n\nThe quotation marks should enclose \"laws,\" not \"must.\"\n\nIf there were no such rules, even instinctive ones or unwritten ones,\netc., then surely some sort of random chance would lead a chimp society\ninto chaos.\n\nkeith\n","792":"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)\nSubject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How?  (was Good Neighbor...)\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1qpakjINNiq2@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil\nliam December Starr) writes:\n>\n>In article <1993Apr16.171354.3127@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,\n>rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said:\n>\n>> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to\n>> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly.  Plus, I have never\n>> heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal\n>> meth and LSD.  The 60 Minute Report said it worked with \"cocaine\"\n>> cigarettes, pot and heroin.\n>\n>Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican idea\n>that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and simply\n>decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc.  Please explain why\n>the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be \"bought like cigarettes\"\n>is \"just plain silly.\"  After all, it works just fine for nicotine...\n>\n\nYeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it.\n\nRyan\n","793":"From: jkjec@westminster.ac.uk (Shazad Barlas)\nSubject: NEED HELP ON SCARING PLEASE\nOrganization: University of Westminster\nDistribution: sci.med\nLines: 18\n\nHi...\n\nI need information on scaring. Particularly as a result of grazing the skin\nI really wanted to know of \n\n\t1. would a scar occur as a result of grazing\n\t2. if yes, then would it disappear?\n\t3. how long does a graze take to heal?\n\t4. will hair grow on it once it has healed?\n\t5. what is 'scar tissue'?\n\t6. should antiseptic cream be applied to it regularly?\n\t7. is it better to keep it exposed and let fresh air at it?\n\nPlease help - any info - no matter how small will be appreciated greatly. \n\nBUT PLEASE E-MAIL ME DIRECTLY because I dont read this newsgroup often (this\nis my first time).  \n  \t\t\t\t\t\t....Shaz....\n","794":"From: Craig.Landgraf@f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Craig Landgraf)\nSubject: NEW CD-DISK'S\nLines: 26\n\n                           For CD-Disk USERS\n                         ----------------------\n                       This is NOT a COMMERCIAL AD!\n\n                        I have alot of NEW CD-Disks\n          If You have a CDROM and are interested in purchasing\n      some of these disks Please download the list mentioned below:\n\n                    CD NIGHT OWL'S V8.0 $35.00\n\n               Download the File---->  CDROMCAT.ZIP\n\n                 or the Freq the MAGIC NAME of---->    CATALOG\n       -----------------------------------------------------------\n         Craig landgraf  Buckwheats Pleasure Dome 713-855-1701\n         INTERnet\/USENET: landgraf@p2.f88.n106.z1.fidonet.org\n       -----------------------------------------------------------\n   PODNET 93:9008\/5 FIDONET 1:106\/88.1 ITCNET  85:841\/803 KINKNET 69:1700\/3\n                             SGANET 30:301\/0\n                        BBS Number (713) 855-1701\n\nP.S. If you send me Email with Your Home Address I will mail you a list\nto your house.......The list is 12 pages long...this is if you do not\nhave a Computer that you can call and get the List faster.....\n\n\n","795":"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)\nSubject: Re: Spark Plug question?\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <mgolden.733994052@cwis> mgolden@cwis.unomaha.edu (Brian Golden) writes:\n>  The nice thing about REAL platinum plugs is that you don't have to change\n>them very often at all.  (I think like 50,000 miles!!)  They might cost $10\n>each, but they would save for themselves in the long run.\n\nMy T-Bird SC's manual says to replace the platinum plugs every 60,000mi.\nWal-Mart has Autolite platinum plugs for $2.00 each. Are these \"real\"\nplatinum plugs? (I had Bosch platinums in my '80 Fiesta and my dad\nhad 'em in his '84 Bronco--note the keyword \"had.\" They didn't last\nvery long (much less than 50,000mi) before they had to be replaced.\nI agree that they weren't the greatest.)\n\n\t\t\t\tJames\n\nJames P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center \nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   \/\\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu   \nDISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC\n   \"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has \n\tand all he's ever gonna have.\" \n\t\t\t--Will Munny, \"Unforgiven\"\n","796":"From: wirehead@cheshire.oxy.edu (David J. Harr)\nSubject: Any Nanao 750i compatible Mac video cards?\nSummary: I can get ehe monitor, but can I drive it?\nKeywords: 21\" monitor, 24 bit video, Macintosh\nOrganization: The programmers who say NEE!\nLines: 15\n\nDoes anyone know if a Nanao 750i is compatible with any\npopular Mac video cards? I have an oppurtunity to get a brand\nnew one, cheap, and I am very tempted, but it will be a waste\nof time if I can't drive it using a standard video card.\n\nWhile I'm on the subject, what's everybody's reccomendations for\na 21\" color monitor. I've heard good things about the NEC 6FG, and\nof course, there is always the reliable old Macintosh 21\" display,\nbut what are YOUR experiences.\n\nDavid J Harr\nCyberpunk Software.\n\n\"My definition of happiness is being famous for your financial\nability to indulge in every form of excess.\" -- Calvin\n","797":"From: tfarrell@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (Thomas Farrell)\nSubject: Re: NC vs Hunt (Marine Gay Bashing in Wilmington NC) verdict\nArticle-I.D.: lynx.1993Apr15.222023.1521\nOrganization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <C5HFr2.CpA@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n>\n>So you feel that the defendents should have been convicted regardless of the\n>evidence. Now that would truely be a sad day for civil rights.\n\nI don't know about everybody else, but to me, they should have been\nconvicted BECAUSE of the evidence, which in my mind was quite\nsufficient.\n\n\t\t\tTom\n","798":"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)\nSubject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals\nOrganization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.\nLines: 29\n\nIn <ednclark.734054731@kraken> ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark) writes:\n\n>cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes:\n\n>>Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards\n>>depression? You can't just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation \n>>in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and \n>>people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis. \n>>At best it's a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people \n>>experience.  \n\n[...]\n>Basically the social interactions of all the changing factors in our society\n>are far too complicated for us to control. We just have to hold on to the\n>panic handles and hope that we are heading for a soft landing. But one\n>things for sure, depression and the destruction of the nuclear family is not\n>due solely to sex out of marriage.\n\nNote that I _never_ said that depression and the destruction of the\nnuclear family is due _solely_ to extra-marital sex.  I specifically\nsaid that it was \"a prime cause\" of this, not \"the prime cause\" or \"the\nonly cause\" of this -- I recognize that there are probably other factors\ntoo, but I think that extra-marital sex and subsequent destabilization\nof the family is probably a significant factor to the rise in\npsychological problems, including depression, in the West in the 20th\ncentury.\n\n Fred Rice\n darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au   \n","799":"From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov\nSubject: Re: NASA \"Wraps\"\nOrganization: University of Houston\nLines: 86\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <1993Apr10.145502.28866@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes...\n>In article <9APR199318394890@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes:\n> \n>>>BTW, universities do the same thing. They however, have a wrap of\n>>>10% to 15% (again, this is over and above any overhead charge).\n> \n>>Wrong Allen. The max overhead charge is ALL of the charge. There is no\n>>seperately budgeted overhead in any shape size form or fashion. \n> \n>A professor at the University of Virginia told me their wrap was about\n>15%. The subcontracts I have let out and worked on for other universities\n>are about the same. My employer (a non-profit research institute) does\n>the same. This is generally reffered to as the fee.\n> \n\nI don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single\nline item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as\nwrap at this university. I also asked around here. Ther is no wrap at \nMarquette, University of Wisconsin Madison, Utah State, Weber State or\nEmbry Riddle U. I am not saying that it doees not happen but in every instance\nthat I have been able to track down it does not. Also the president of our\nUniversity who was Provost at University of West Virgina said that it did\nnot happen there either and that this figure must be included in the overhead\nto be a legitimate charge.\n\n>>How do \n>>I know? I write proposals and have won contracts and I know to the dime\n>>what the charges are. At UAH for example the overhead is 36.6%.\n> \n>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your\n>costing people how much fee they add to a project.\n>\n\nI did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that\nany percentage number like this is included in the overhead.\n\n>>If you have some numbers Allen then show them else quit barking. \n> \n>I did Dennis; read the article. To repeat: an internal estimate done by\n>the Reston costing department says Freedom can be built for about $1.8B\n>a year and operated for $1B per year *IF* all the money where spent on\n>Freedom. Since we spend about half a billion $$ more per year it looks\n>like roughly 25% of the money is wasted. Now if you think I'm making\n>this up, you can confirm it in the anonymous editorial published a few\n>weeks ago in Space News.\n>\n\nNo Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee\nof the Overhead capital of NASA. Nothing that Reston does could not be dont\nbetter or cheaper at the Other NASA centers  where the work is going on.\nKinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is\nat a place where everything is overhead.\n\n>This Dennis, is why NASA has so many problems: you can't accept that\n>anything is wrong unless you can blame it on Congress. Oh, sure, you'll\n>say NASA has problems but do you believe it? Remember the WP 02\n>overrun? You insisted it was all congresses fault when NASA management\n>knew about the overrun for almost a year yet refused to act. Do you\n>still blame Congress for the overrun?\n>\n\nWhy did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally\ndemanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being \nselective with the facts again.\n\n>>By your own numbers Allen, at a cost of 500 million per flight the\n>>service cost of flying shuttle to SSF is 2 billion for four flights, so how\n>>did you get your one billion number?\n> \n>I have no idea what your trying to say here Dennis.\n> \n>  Allen\n>-- \n\nIf it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost\nof 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your\n\"friend\" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it\nfor a billion a year \"if the wrap were gone\". This merely points out a \nblatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see.\n\nDennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville.\n\nSorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going\nto have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to\ndo so.\n\n","800":"From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen)\nSubject: BRAKE ROTORS...CROSS DRILLING...312 702 8323\nOrganization: University of Chicago, Astronomy and Astrophysics\nDistribution: na\nLines: 1\n\n\n","801":"From: rcfec@westminster.ac.uk (James Holland)\nSubject: Re: Help\nOrganization: University of Westminster\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu> lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:\n>Hi everyone, \n>\t   I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem.  I know\n>that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet\n>hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools,\n>do you still think that just believing is enough?'\n\nsome deleted\n\n>Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do)\n>as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James\n>in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out'\n>\n>Can anyone help me, this really bothers me.\n\nDear Will,\n\nI've never replied on this thing before so I hope it gets thru ok.\nI had a few thoughts!:\n\n\"Faith on its own, if not accompanied by action is dead\" - James 2:17\n\nFaith is both belief and action.\nIf I say that I am a great swimmer but I never go swimming, am I really a\nswimmer? and will people believe that I am?\nLikewise if I say I'm a Christian but I never talk to God, am I really a\nChristian? My faith is demonstrated by my action. The fact that we talk to\nGod proves we have faith. Satan believes in God but does not follow Him!\n\nIn a similar vein, I have recently been challenged by 1John2:3-6\nv3 says \"We know that we have come to know Him if we obey His commands\"\nI find this verse quite encouraging as it could imply that 'if we have\ncome to know Him, then we'll obey His commands' cos He lives within us and\nwe cannot help but obey what He says.\nI tend to feel that as we daily submit ourself to God He will keep changing\nus into the likeness of Jesus and His fruit and works will be automatically\nproduced in our lives.\n\nHope this helps.\n\nJames Holland (rcfec@westminster.ac.uk)\n","802":"From: ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au (Ian Farquhar)\nSubject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only\nOrganization: Macquarie University, Sydney Australia\nLines: 46\nNNTP-Posting-Host: laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au\n\nIn article <1r0ausINNi01@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:\n>The chip and algorithm are classified.  If you reverse engineer it and\n>tell people, you are likely to go to jail.\n\nI don't find this a credible argument, for two reasons.  One you have\nsupplied below: unless I care about entering the USA at any time in the\nfuture (eg. the Taiwanese backyard cloners - who BTW have been known to\ndecap custom silicon and reproduce it on daughterboards when pirating\nhigh-profit arcade machines and the like - who wouldn't care less), I am not \ngoing to care much about US confidentiality, am I?  Only people like the\nreal me, who does care about travelling to various countries for business\nreasons, will sit up and follow laws like this, but I would contend that\nwe're not the main threat.\n\nI also have grave doubts whether an algorythm widely distributed in silicon\ncould possibly be called \"classified.\"  It's like handing out military\nsecrets to the whole world in envelopes marked \"don't open me.\"  I can\nimagine several credible defences which could be employed if it came to\na trial.  One would be the stupidity of the government's actions.\n\n>Perhaps some foreign governments or corporations could help us out by\n>cracking the system outside the USA.  The US government could probably\n>stop importation of clone hardware, but a software implementation\n>should be practical.\n\nAmusing thought: could they have employed an algorythm which is infeasable\nfor a fast software implementation, but which is easy in custom hardware?\nIn DES, the extensive use of permutation tables (trivial in hardware: you\njust swap bus lines), but relatively slow in software have had a big effect\non the speed difference between hardware and software implementations of\nthat cipher (indeed, I suspect that Lucifer's designers were well aware that\nit would be, and approved.)  Certain algorythms (usually parallel search\nalgorythms) can be very slow in software, yet can fly in custom hardware.\nI have no proof of their employment in Clipper -- it is pure conjecture.  \nHowever, as a software implementation of this cipher is something that its \ndesigners would have been trying to avoid at all costs, then the inclusion \nof such techniques seems credible.\n\nHmmm... I also wonder what Intergraph thinks about the use of the name\n\"Clipper\" for this device. :)\n\n--\nIan Farquhar                      Phone : + 61 2 805-9400\nOffice of Computing Services      Fax   : + 61 2 805-7433\nMacquarie University  NSW  2109   Also  : + 61 2 805-7420\nAustralia                         EMail : ifarqhar@laurel.ocs.mq.edu.au.\n","803":"From: kschang@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (Kuo-Sheng (Kasey) Chang)\nSubject: Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500...\nOrganization: San Francisco State University\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <C64n5K.L45@vcd.hp.com> robertt@vcd.hp.com (Bob Taylor) writes:\n>Justin Whitton (ma90jjw%isis@ajax.rsre.mod.uk) wrote:\n>: In article <C60EKI.Kvp@vcd.hp.com> edmoore@vcd.hp.com (Ed Moore) writes:\n>: \n>:    thomas.d.fellrath.1@nd.edu@nd.edu wrote:\n>: \n>:    I think the ink now used in the DeskJet family is water-fast. \n>: \n>: I've had pictures ruined by a few drops of rain. These were colour pictures\n>: from a DeskJet 500C. Mind you, it could have been acid rain:-)\n>\n>The black ink is waterfast, but the color isn't\n>\n>: \n>: I use a BJ10ex. Ink dries fast, but it really doesn't like getting wet.\n>: \n>: --\n>: \/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\\\n>: |Justin Whitton at ma90jjw%hermes@uk.mod.relay |Where no man has gone before..|\n>: |after August mail ma90jjw@brunel.ac.uk.       \\------------------------------|\n>: |Disclaimer: My opinions count for nothing, except when the office is empty.  |\n>: |I'm a student => intelligence = 0.                                           |\n>: \\-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\/\n>\n>Bob Taylor\n>HP Vancouver\n>\n\n\n","804":"From: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini)\nSubject: Re: Problems with Toshiba 3401 CDROM\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1r25nt$oa5@ratatosk.uninett.no> hktth@nho.hydro.com writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.191255.10115@news.columbia.edu>, imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Imad M Jureidini) writes:\n>|> Hi!\n>|> \tI recently purchased the Toshiba 3401 CDROM.  I own an Adaptec 1542B\n>|> SCSI card, and I have so far failed to get the CDROM to work under DOS.  It\n>\n>One of the ASPI-drivers (I think it's the ASPICD) supports a \/NORST\n>paramter, which means to not reset the SCSI bus when it loads. This\n>fixed the problem a friend of mine was having with his adaptec+tosh \n>3401.\n>\n>Regards,\n>\n>  -Terje\nIt worked!!!\nThank you very much!\n\n\n*******************************************************************************\n* imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\t\t\t    Imad \"Hexabyte\" Jureidini *\n*     The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined.      *\n*******************************************************************************\n","805":"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack)\nSubject: Re: Sin\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <Apr.8.00.59.20.1993.28493@athos.rutgers.edu>, jadaley@cwis.unomaha.edu (Jill Anne Daley) writes:\n> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does a\n> person know when they are committing sin?\n> \n\nAnything that does not bring me closer to God is a sin. \n(If you think this is too strict, just consider how ambiguous it is.)\n\nThis implies that staying the same is a sin. A Christian should\nnever be satisfied. It does not imply that\nhaving fun is a sin. It does not imply that sleeping is a sin.\nIt does imply that I sin every day.\n\nA perhaps simpler definition:\nAnything that is counter to the two Great Commandments: \nlove God, love your neighbor, is a sin.\nAnything I do that is not from love is a sin.\n\nThe same action can be a sin sometimes and not a sin sometimes.\n\nI could yell at my kids as discipline, all the time loving them,\nconsidering only to teach them proper behavior, or I could yell at my\nkids out of anger or selfishness.\n\nI could post an excellent article because I am interested in sharing\nmy opinions and getting feedback and learning, or I could post an\narticle because I want everyone to realize how wise I am.\n\nChris Mussack\n","806":"From: steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson)\nSubject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters.  WHere  are they.\nOrganization: Lick Observatory\/UCO\nLines: 56\nNNTP-Posting-Host: topaz.ucsc.edu\nIn-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com's message of 23 Apr 1993 23:58:19 -0400\n\nIn article <1radsr$att@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n\n     What  evidence  indicates that Gamma Ray bursters are very far away?\n\nTheir distribution is very isotropic and the intensity distribution,\ncrudely speaking, indicates we're seeing an edge to the distribution.\n\n   Given the enormous  power,  i was just wondering,  what if they are\n   quantum  black holes or something  like that  fairly close by?\n\n   Why would they have to be at  galactic ranges?   \n\nNow, in the good old days before GRO data, it was thought the\ngamma bursters were neutron stars in the galaxy, it was expected that\nGRO would confirm this by either showing they were a local population\n(within a few hundred light years) or that they were in the galactic\nhalo. (Mechanism was not known but several plausible ones existed)\n(also to be fair it was noted that the _brightest_ burster was\nprobably in the LMC, suggesting theorists might be wrong back then...)\n\tAs the Sun is not at the center of the galaxy a halo\npopulation should show anisotropy (a local disk population is\nruled out completely at this stage) - to avoid the anisotropy you\nhave to push the halo out, the energy then gets large, the mechanism\nof getting NS out that far becomes questionable, and we should start\nto see for example the Andromeda's bursters.\n\tThe data is consistent with either a Oort cloud distribution\n(but only just) - but no one can think of a plausible source with\nthe right spectrum. Or, it can be a cosmological distances (hence\nisotropy) and the edge is \"the edge of the Universe\" ;-)\nIf at cosmological distances you need very high energy (to detect)\nand a very compact source (for spectrum), ergo a neutron star\ncolliding with another neutron star or black hole. Even then getting\nthe spectrum is very hard, but conceivable.\n\n\tIf we know anything about physics at that level,\nthe bursters are not due to quantum black holes or cosmic\nstrings, wrong spectrum for one thing.\n\nThe situation is further complicated by recent claims that\nthere are two classes of sources ;-)  [in the colliding NS\nthey'd actually probably fit relatively easily into the\nNS-NS and NS-BH collision scenarios respectively]\n\n   my own pet theory is that it's  Flying saucers  entering\n   hyperspace :-)\n\n   but the reason i am asking is that most everyone assumes  that they\n   are  colliding nuetron stars  or  spinning black holes,  i just wondered\n   if any mechanism could exist  and place them  closer in.\n\nIf you can think of one, remember to invite me to Stockholm...\n\n*  Steinn Sigurdsson   \t\t\tLick Observatory      \t*\n*  steinly@lick.ucsc.edu\t\t\"standard disclaimer\"  \t*\n*  The laws of gravity are very,very strict\t\t\t*\n*  And you're just bending them for your own benefit - B.B. 1988*\n","807":"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)\nSubject: Re: Date is stuck\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI can't imagine why someone would leave their computer on all of\nthe time to start with. Its like leaving your lights tv, radio\nand everything in the house on all of the time to me.....Nuts\n-- \nGosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...\nDon't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...\n","808":"From: sunshine@cco.caltech.edu (Tom Renner)\nSubject: Apple IIgs\nArticle-I.D.: gap.1qkm6lINNrc6\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 29\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nI have a basic Apple IIgs system that I need to sell.  Everything comes with\noriginal boxes and documentation, and is in excellent condition.  Make an\noffer; I'll consider anything:\n\nApple IIgs 1 meg\n3.5\" drive\n13\" AppleColor RGB monitor\nkeyboard\/mouse\/mousepad\/dustcovers\/1200 baud Applemodem\/random other worthless\n    stuff.\n\nHere's a list of the games\/apps:\n\n   Games:\t\t\t\t   Applications:\n\nBattleChess\t\t\t\tSystem Disk\nDefender of the Crown\t\t\tSystem Tools IIGS\nArkanoid II\t\t\t\tWordPerfect\nBubble Ghost\t\t\t\tAppleworks\nShadowgate\t\t\t\tWriter's Choice elite\nBalance of Power\t\t\tDraw Plus\nMarble Madness\t\t\t\tCopy II Plus\nZany Golf\t\t\t\tProTERM communications software\nChessmaster 2100\n\nIf interested, contact:\n\nsunshine@cco.caltech.edu\n\n*******************************************************************************\n","809":"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 13\n\n> [Again, in the normal Protestant interpretation, Sunday is not a law,\n> and worshipping on another day is not a sin.  Churches are free to\n> decide on the day they will meet, just as they are free to decide on\n> the hour.  It would not be a sin to worship on some other day, but if\n> you belong to a church that worships on Sunday and you show up on\n> Monday, you will probably worship alone...  --clh]\n\nI totally agree with that sentiment.  But why do you have to go further\nand advocate violating what God has set up?  That is the question which\nyou have not answered from Scripture.  You can worship on every day, as\nlong as you work.  But God says the Sabbath is all mine.\n\nDarius\n","810":"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)\nSubject: Re: '93 Grand Am (4 cyl)\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <HOLCOMB.93Apr19073907@wgermany.ctron.com> holcomb@ctron.com (Edgar W. Ii Holcomb) writes:\n>In article <Apr.18.12.24.26.1993.19337@remus.rutgers.edu> wilmott@remus.rutgers.edu (ray wilmott) writes:\n>\n>   Hi all. A while back I was asking for info about a few different\n>   models, the Grand Am being one of them. Response was generally\n>   favorable; one thing often repeated was \"go for the V6 for some\n>   real power\". Point well taken, but...does anybody have any input\n>   on the 4 cylinders (both the standard OHC, and the \"Quad 4\")?\n>Ray,\n>\n>The High-Output Quad 4 delivers 175 hp (185 for the WF41 Quad 4), whereas\n>the 3.1L V6 offered in the Grand Am delivers 140 hp.  I own a Beretta GTZ\n\nooppss...the v6 in the grand am is the 3.3. litre, not the 3.1.  the 3.3 is\na downsized version of buicks 3.8 litre v6.  the 3.1 v6 goes in the beretta \nand corsica.\n","811":"From: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)\nSubject: Objective Values 'v' Scientific Accuracy (was Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is)\nReply-To: tk@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Tommy Kelly)\nOrganization: Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, Edinburgh U\nLines: 54\n\nFrank, I tried to mail this but it bounced.  It is fast moving out\nof t.a scope, but I didn't know if t.a was the only group of the three\nthat you subscribed to.\nApologies to regular t.a folks.\n\nIn article <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n\n>Science (\"the real world\") has its basis in values, not the other way round, \n>as you would wish it.  \n\nYou must be using 'values' to mean something different from the way I\nsee it used normally.\n\nAnd you are certainly using 'Science' like that if you equate it to\n\"the real world\".\n\nScience is the recognition of patterns in our perceptions of the Universe\nand the making of qualitative and quantitative predictions concerning\nthose perceptions.\n\nIt has nothing to do with values as far as I can see.\nValues are ... well they are what I value.\nThey are what I would have rather than not have - what I would experience\nrather than not, and so on.\n\nObjective values are a set of values which the proposer believes are\napplicable to everyone.\n\n>If there is no such thing as objective value, then science can not \n>objectively be said to be more useful than a kick in the head.\n\nI don't agree.\nScience is useful insofar as it the predictions mentioned above are\naccurate.  That is insofar as what I think *will be* the effect on\nmy perceptions of a time lapse (with or without my input to the Universe)\nversus what my perceptions actually turn out to be.\n\nBut values are about whether I like (in the loosest sense of the word) the \nperceptions :-)\n\n>Simple theories with accurate predictions could not objectively be said\n>to be more useful than a set of tarot cards.  \n\nI don't see why.\n'Usefulness' in science is synonomous with 'accuracy' - period.\nTarot predictions are not useful because they are not accurate - or\ncan't be shown to be accurate.\nScience is useful because it is apparently accurate.\n\nValues - objective or otherwise - are beside the point.\n\nNo?\n\ntommy\n","812":"From: dbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock)\nSubject: Blue Ribbon Panel Members Named\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \nNntp-Posting-Host: tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: NASA Lewis Research Center \/ Cleveland, Ohio\nLines: 71\n\nThe following press release was distributed April 1 by\nNASA Headquarters.\n\nSpace Station Redesign Advisory Members Named\n\nAlong with Dr. Charles M. Vest, recently named by Vice President\nAlbert Gore to head the advisory committee on the redesign of the\nSpace Station, NASA has announced the names of representatives\nfrom government and industry and academic experts from across the\ncountry to participate in an independent review of the redesign\noptions being developed by NASA.\n\n\"I am extremely honored to have been selected to lead this\nimportant review panel. America's future in science and\ntechnology and as a world leader in space demands our utmost\nattention and care,\" said Vest. \"We have assembled a diverse\npanel of experts that, I believe, will bring the appropriate\nmeasures of insight, integrity and objectivity to this critical\ntask.\"\n\nThe advisory committee is charged with independently assessing\nvarious redesign options of the space station presented by NASA's\nredesign team, and proposing recommendations to improve\nefficiency and effectiveness of the space station program. Space\nstation international partners also are being asked to \nparticipate and will be named at a later date. The advisory\ncommittee will submit its recommendations in June.\n\nAdvisory committee members named today include:\n\nDr. Charles Vest              Dr. Bobby Alford\nPresident, MIT                Executive VP & Dean of Medicine\n                              Baylor College of Medicine\n\nMr. Jay Chabrow               Dr. Paul Chu\nPresident, JMR Associates     Director, Texas Center for\n                              Superconductivity\n                              University of Houston\n\nDr. Ed Crawley                Dr. John Fabian\nProf of Aero & Astro          President & CEO\nMIT                           ANSER\n\nMaj. Gen. James Fain          Dr. Edward Fort\nDeputy Chief of Staff for     Chancellor\nRequirements; Headquarters    North Carolina AT&T\nUSAF Materials Command        State University\n\nDr. Mary Good                 Mr. Frederick Hauck\nSenior VP of Technology       President, International Technical\nAllied Signal, Inc.           Underwriters\n\nDr. Lou Lanzerotti            Mr. William Lilly\nChair, Space Sciences         National Academy of Public\nBoard, National Research      Administration\nCouncil\n\nMr. Duane McRuer              Dr. Brad Parkinson\nPresident Systems Technology  Prof of Astro & Aero\n                              Stanford University\n\nDr. Robert Seamans            Dr. Lee Silver\nFormer NASA Deputy Admin.     W.M. Keck Foundation Professor\n                              for Resource Geology\n                              California Institute of\n                              Technology\n\nDr. Albert \"Bud\" Wheelon\nRetired CEO\nHughes Aircraft\n\n","813":"From: lingeke2@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Ken Linger)\nSubject: 32 Bit System Zone\nOrganization: Purdue University\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 32\n\nA week or so ago, I posted about a problem with my SE\/30:  I have 20 megs\nor true RAM, yet if I set my extensions to use a large amount of memory\n(total of all extensions) then my system will crash before the finder\ncomes up.  What I meant was having a large amount of fonts load, or\nsounds, or huge disk caches with a control panel other than Apple's\nmemory control panel.  Apple's cache is at 64K, mode 32 is on, and\nso is 32 bit addressing.  All extensions work by themselves or with the\nothers until I increase the memory used by some of them (with methods\nmentioned above).\n\nWell, here's my latest followup...  I ran NOWs System Profile and got\nthis information:\n\n%%% Memory info %%%\n\nPhysical RAM size: 20480K.\nLogical RAM size: 20480K.\nSize of Low Memory Area: 8K.\nVirtual Memory: Inactive.\nAddressing mode: 32bit mode in use.\n32 bit System zone: Absent.\nParity RAM: Not capable.\nGrowable System Heap: True.\nTemporary memory support: Present.\nTempory Memory Support: Real and tracked.\n\nNote that 32 bit System zone is absent.  Could this be the problem?\nHow can I turn this on?  Any ideas?\n\nCan anyone help?\n\nKen\n","814":"From: ray@engr.LaTech.edu (Bill Ray)\nSubject: Re: Acutane, Fibromyalgia Syndrome and CFS\nOrganization: Louisiana Tech University\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ee02.engr.latech.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nDaniel Prince (Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com) wrote:\n\n: ... I think they should rename Waco TX to Wacko TX!\n\nI know it is just a joke, but please remember: the people of Waco\ndid not ask David Koresh to be a lunatic there, he just happened.\nWaco is a lovely town.  I would think someone living in the home\nof flakes and nut would be more sensitive :-)\n","815":"From: kerney@ecn.purdue.edu (John Kerney)\nSubject: Re: FLYERS notes 4\/17\nKeywords: FLYERS\/Whalers summary\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 17\n\n\n\nCould someone post the Flyers record with and without Eric Lindros in\nthe lineup\n\n\nI have a guy that is trying to compare the Quebec\/Flyers trade to the \n\nDallas\/Minnesota trade in the NFL(Hershel Walker)\n\nI just need the stat to back up my point that Eric will be one of the next\n\ngreat players\n\nthanks\n\njohn\n","816":"From: Sven Guckes <guckes@math.fu-berlin.de>\nSubject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's?\nOriginator: guckes@medusa\nX-Mail-Reader: Elm 2.4 PL21\nOrganization: Free University of Berlin, Germany\nX-News-Reader: NN 6.4.13 #13\nLines: 18\n\nsunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes:\n\n>The CD300 (external) is already shipping and has been shipping for\n>quite awhile now.\n>Demand for the units are high, so they are pretty rare.\n\nHm, I've got my CD drive since 921230.\n\n>I've also heard rumors that they are bundled with a couple of CD's,  \n>but I can't confirm it.\n\nIndeed, CDs are bundled with it.\nYou usually get nine CDs with demos of applications, games, photos, etc.\n\nI have compiled a list of these and posted it to alt.cdrom.\nI will post an updated version of this list RSN.\n\nSven :)\n","817":"From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)\nSubject: FBI Murders (was Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN )\nOrganization: Dixie Communications Public Access.  The Mouth of the South.\nLines: 87\n\njmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:\n\n>I have believed all along that they could not let them live, the \n>embarrassment  to the BATF and the FBI would've been too severe.\n\n>Remember, this was a suspicion of tax-evasion warrant.  There were no  \n>witnesses, except the FBI.  All information filtered through the FBI.  All \n>they had to do was allow one remote controlled pool camera be installed \n>near the  building, and the press could've done their job, and would've \n>been able to back the FBI's story with close up video, while incurring no \n>risk to the press.  Unless they did not want the public to see something.  \n>The complete lack of any  other source of information other than the \n>FBI really causes me concern. \n\n>Sick to my stomach, and getting sicker from all the Government apologists\n\nWell put, Jim.  I am as concerned about the media's complicity in this\ngrowing coverup.  Can you imagine the media outrage, the lawsuits, the\ninvestigations that would emit if the government kept the media away from\nany other story?  Particularly if a Republican administration had been\nbehind it.  What's going on here?\n\nLet's look beyond the initial blunder and examine what happened next.\nI'm a student of human phychology, particularly in the area of psy-ops\nbecause I've found some of the techniques to be useful in business\nnegotiations.  That puts me firmly in the amateur ranks.  This AMATEUR\nknows that the first thing to do when sizing up the opponent is to do a\npsychological profile on him.  You can bet your ass the FBI had\nprofessionally done profiles on Koresh.  Koresh's behavior was\nemminently predictable.  It is typical of people who move away from\ncivilization to be willing to fight to the death to preserve their\nisolation.  It would also be typical, given Koresh's religious\norientation, for such an individual to interpret a government assault as\nthe apocalypse.  Suicide is as an acceptable alternative to being\nconsumed in the apocalypse.\n\nIMHO, the FBI knew all this and decided after 50 days of concentrated\npsy-ops to initiate that apocalypse.  I believe they chose a course of\naction designed specifically to push Koresh over the edge while publicly\nappearing to be acting reasonably.  They KNEW that Koresh considered the\ntanks to be the Chariots of Fire mentioned in the Book of Revelations.\nThey KNEW that sending tanks, oops, combat engineering vehicles,\nobstensibly to perform \"gas insertions\" (love that NewSpeak) WOULD push\nhim over the edge.\n\nLook at some supporting evidence.  Koresh's attorney mentioned on TV\nearlier today (4\/20) that one of Koresh's major concern was the biblical\nrole of the tanks stationed around the compound.  The FBI (through Reno\non Larry King last night and at the news conference this morning)\nclaimed to have listening devices in the compound.  If that was true\nthey KNEW their actions were driving him to the brink.  They KNEW they\nwere pushing the Davidians toward mass suicide.  Any rational and\nreasonable agency NOT interested in killing those people would, at\nthe first sign of preparations for suicide, have pulled completely back and\nwould have gotten rid of all the armor.  Instead they continued with the\n\"gas insertion\" right up to the point where flames appeared.  The image\nthat will remain etched in my mind is that of the tank strutting back\nand forth in front of the burning compound, gloating over the kill.\n\nLet's step back and assess how this thing could have been ended without\nbloodshed.  This technique would have required a law enforcement agency\ninterested in constitutionally enforcing the law and in the preservation\nof life instead of achieving a military victory and of vengence.\n\nThe way to have nabbed Koresh was simply to have announced a pull back,\nabandoned the assault, torn down the concertina wire and removed the\narmor, maintained covert surveillance of the compound and then exploited\nhis ego to flush him out.  Exploiting his ego would have been simple.  A\nsimple invite or two from the tabloid talk shows to come on TV and tell\nhow he whipped the US government would have been something he could not\nhave resisted.  He could have then been nabbed when he left the\ncompound.  Simple, clean and safe but because it would have required the\nFBI to execute a tactical retreat and would have deprived them of the\nrevenge they sought, it was totally out of the question.  Not without\nall that testesterone floating around.  After all Jannet Reno had to\nshow the world how big her balls are.\n\nYesterday was a sad, sad day for the American system.  I am sick to my \nvery soul.\n\nJohn\n-- \nJohn De Armond, WD4OQC               |Interested in high performance mobility?  \nPerformance Engineering Magazine(TM) | Interested in high tech and computers? \nMarietta, Ga                         | Send ur snail-mail address to \njgd@dixie.com                        | perform@dixie.com for a free sample mag\nLee Harvey Oswald: Where are ya when we need ya?\n","818":"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)\nSubject: Re: Good Grief!  (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)\nOrganization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA\n\nIn article <noringC5snsx.KMo@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:\n>>There is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists.\n>There's a lot of evidence, it just hasn't been adequately gathered and\n>published in a way that will convince the die-hard melancholic skeptics\n>who quiver everytime the word 'anecdote' or 'empirical' is used.\n\nSnort.  Ah, there go my sinuses again.\n\n>For example, Dr. Ivker, who wrote the book \"Sinus Survival\", always gives,\n\nOh, wow.  A classic textbook.  Hey, they laughed at Einstein, too!\n\n>before any other treatment, a systemic anti-fungal (such as Nizoral) to his\n>new patients IF they've been on braod-spectrum anti-biotics 4 or more times\n>in the last two years.  He's kept a record of the results, and for over \n>2000 patients found that over 90% of his patients get significant relief\n>of allergic\/sinus symptoms.  Of course, this is only the beginning for his\n>program.\n\nYeah, I'll bet.  Tomorrow, the world.\n\nListen, uncontrolled studies like this are worthless.\n\n>In my case, as I reported a few weeks ago, I was developing the classic\n>symptoms outlined in 'The Yeast Connection' (I agree it is a poorly \n>written book):  e.g., extreme sensitivity to plastics, vapors, etc. which\n>I never had before (started in November).  Within one week of full dosage\n>of Sporanox, the sensitivity to chemicals has fully disappeared - I can\n>now sit on my couch at home without dying after two minutes.  I'm also\n>*greatly* improved in other areas as well.\n\nI'm sure you are.  You sound like the typical hysteric\/hypochondriac who\nresponds to \"miracle cures.\"\n\n>Of course, I have allergy symptoms, etc.  I am especially allergic to\n>molds, yeasts, etc.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that\n>if one has excessive colonization of yeast in the body, and you have a\n>natural allergy to yeasts, that a threshold would be reached where you\n>would have perceptible symptoms.\n\nYeah, \"it makes sense to me\", so of course it should be taken seriously.\nSnort.\n\n>Also, yeast do produce toxins of various\n>sorts, and again, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that\n>such toxins can cause problems in some people.\n\nYeah, \"it sounds reasonable to me\".\n\n>Of course, the $60,000\n>question is whether a person who is immune compromised (as tests showed I was\n>from over 5 years of antibiotics, nutritionally-deficiencies because of the\n>stress of infections and allergies, etc.),\n\nOh, really?  _What_ tests?  Immune-compromised, my ass.\nMore like credulous malingerer.  This is a psychiatric syndrome.\n\n>can develop excessive yeast\n>colonization somewhere in the body.  It is a tough question to answer since\n>testing for excessive yeast colonization is not easy.  One almost has to\n>take an empirical approach to diagnosis.  Fortunately, Sporanox is relatively\n>safe unlike past anti-fungals (still have to be careful, however) so there's\n>no reason any longer to withhold Sporanox treatment for empirical reasons.\n\nYou know, it's a shame that a drug like itraconazole is being misused\nin this way.  It's ridiculously expensive, and potentially toxic.\nThe trouble is that it isn't toxic enough, so it gets abused by quacks.\n\n>BTW, some would say to try Nystatin.  Unfortunately, most yeast grows hyphae\n>too deep into tissue for Nystatin to have any permanent affect.  You'll find\n>a lot of people who are on Nystatin all the time.\n\nThe only good thing about nystatin is that it's (relatively) cheap\nand when taken orally, non-toxic.  But oral nystatin is without any\nsystemic effect, so unless it were given IV, it would be without\nany effect on your sinuses.  I wish these quacks would first use\nIV nystatin or amphotericin B on people like you.  That would solve\nthe \"yeast\" problem once and for all.\n\n>In summary, I appreciate all of the attempts by those who desire to keep\n>medicine on the right road.  But methinks that some who hold too firmly\n>to the party line are academics who haven't been in the trenches long enough\n>actually treating patients.  If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my\n>face that there is no evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee\n>their safety.  For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as\n>far as I am concerned.\n\nPerhaps a little Haldol would go a long way towards ameliorating\nyour symptoms.\n\nAre you paying for this treatment out of your own pocket?  I'd hate\nto think my insurance premiums are going towards this.\n\n-- \nSteve Dyer\ndyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer\n","819":"From: gt6511a@prism.gatech.EDU (COCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH)\nSubject: Re: Change of name ??\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <CMM.0.90.2.735315429.thomasp@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no> thomasp@ifi.uio.no (Thomas Parsli) writes:\n:\n:\n:\t1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or \n:\ttalk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY\n:\n:\t2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where)..\n:\n:\t3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup\n;\n:\tWe are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil \n:\tgoverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to\n:\tlet's say 1000 people ????\n:\t\n:\n:                        Thomas Parsli\nAnd everybody who talked about the evil arising in Europe was labeled \nreactionary in the late 1930's... after all, we could negotiate with Hitler and\ntrust him to keep his end of the bargain... at least that's what Stalin and\nChamberlin thought... I guess they forgot to teach you about your country being\noverrun by the Germans in WWII, 'eh Thomas?  And I'm sorry you consider outrage\nat government excesses to be ####... Everytime the Israelis conduct a mass \noperation against a terrorist group that is actively killing their citizens and\nsoldiers, the world gets indignant, but it's ok for the US to assault it's own\ncitizens who were a religous minority and accused of sexual deviation and \nhoarding weapons... I find it real ironic this happened the same day Al Gore\narrived in Poland to recognize the sacrifices made in the Warsaw Ghetto where\nthe same 'justifications' were raised for an armed assault by black-clad troops\nwith armor support...  \n\n-- \n********************************************************************************\nJames S. Cochrane        *  When in danger, or in doubt, run in * This space \ngt6511a@prism.gatech.edu *  circles, scream and shout.          * for rent\n********************************************************************************\n","820":"From: tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen)\nSubject: RFD: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.{misc,setup}\nOrganization: Software Metrics Inc.\nLines: 76\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net\n\nThis is the official Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of two\nnew newsgroups for Microsoft Windows NT.  This is a second RFD, replacing\nthe one originally posted in January '93 (and never taken to a vote).  The\nproposed groups are described below:\n\nNAME: \t comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup\nSTATUS:  Unmoderated.\nPURPOSE: Discussions about setting up and installing Windows NT, and about\n\t system and peripheral compatability issues for Windows NT.\n\nNAME:\t comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc\nSTATUS:\t Unmoderated.\nPURPOSE: Miscellaneous non-programming discussions about using Windows NT,\n\t including issues such as security, networking features, console\n\t mode and Windows 3.1 (Win16) compatability.\n\nRATIONALE:\n\tMicrosoft NT is the newest member of the Microsoft Windows family\n\tof operating systems (or operating environments for those who wish\n\tto argue about the meaning of an \"OS\").  The family ranges from\n\tModular Windows through Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups to\n\tWindows NT at the high end.  To date, Microsoft has shipped over\n\t50,000 beta copies and pre-release SDKs of Windows NT -- the\n\tactual release is slated for May\/June '93.\n\n\tWhile Windows NT has an entirely new design internally, it shares\n\tan application programming interface with the other members of the\n\tWindows family; its Win32 API includes the Win16 API used in Win-\n\tdows 3.1, and the Win32s API subset (Win32 less threads, networking\n\tand security) can be used to create 32-bit applications for\n\tWindows 3.1.\n\n\tThe user interface is also practically identical to that of Windows\n\t3.1, with the addition of logins and a few other features.  It uses\n\tProgram Manager, File Manager and other applets, and generally pre-\n\tsents an identical appearance to the user.  Many of the announced\n\tWindows NT applications are ports of existing Windows 3.1 apps, and\n\tNT also runs existing 3.1 applications.\n\n\tThus, it appears logical that Windows NT should share the following\n\tgroups with the other members of the Windows family:\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.apps\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32\n\t\n\tThe following groups are also clearly applicable to Windows NT as\n\twell as Windows 3.1:\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.announce\n\t\tcomp.os.ms-windows.advocacy\n\t\n\tIn conclusion, the only clear argument for the separation of the\n\tWindows 3.1 and Windows NT hierarchies is different internal\n\tstructures of Windows 3.1 and Windows NT.  And yet operating\n\tsystems such as OS\/2, Macintosh OS, Xenix and Coherent all have\n\tundergone major rewrites without having been split into separate\n\tnewsgroup hierarchies.\n\n\tFurther, Windows 3.1 is due for a major rewrite itself in 1994 --\n\twhen the fully 32-bit, protected-mode and with-DOS-built-in next-\n\tgeneration Windows, \"Chicago\", debuts next year, surely it should\n\tremain in the same hierarchy.  And what, then, would be the jus-\n\ttification for separating Windows NT from other Windows versions?\n\n\nDISCUSSION PERIOD:\n\tThe discussion period will run from 27 April, 1992 to 18 May, 1993.  \n\nVOTING:\n\tThe CFV (Call for Votes) will be issued around 19 May, 1993, based on\n\tthe feedback received during the discussion period.  No votes will\n\tbe accepted prior to the CFV.\n-- \n[ \/tom haapanen -- tomh@metrics.com -- software metrics inc -- waterloo, ont ]\n[       \"stick your index fingers into both corners of your mouth.  now pull ]\n[          up.  that's how the corrado makes you feel.\"  -- car, january '93 ]\n","821":"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)\nSubject: Re: BMW battery\nNntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299\nOrganization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 31\n\nKeith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled:\n: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:\n: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive,\n: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns\n: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer.                 \n\n: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know\n: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there\n: 8-10 year old beemers.\n\n\nKay, my '86 K100RS still has her original battery in.  She's OK\n--\n\nNick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford\n\nM'Lud.\n\n  ___\t___   ___   ___\n {\"_\"} {\"_\"} {\"_\"} {\"_\"}\t  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.\n  ' `\t` '   ' `   ` '\t\t  Currently incarcerated at BNR,\n  ___\t___   ___   ___\t\t  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.\n |\"_\"| |\"_\"| |\"_\"| |\"_\"|\t  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS \"Kay\"\n  ` '\t' `   ` '   ' `\t\t  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002\n\t    .\n   _ _\t\t_  __ .\n  \/ ~ ~~\\   |  \/ ~~  \\\n |_______|    [_______|\n\t   _:_\n\t  |___|\n\n","822":"From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter)\nSubject: WANTED: Symantec address\nOriginator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl\nOrganization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands\nLines: 5\n\n-- \n*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. ***\n***       Rob de Winter  Philips Research, IST\/IT, Building WL-1        ***\n***       P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA  Eindhoven. The Netherlands           ***\n***       Tel: +31 40 743621  E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl           ***\n","823":"From: breedsa@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Tempest and Cyclone info. NEEDED\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 8\n\nIf anyone has any information about the upcoming new computers\n(Cyclone and Tempest), I am in need of some info. Anything would be\ngreatly appreciated.\n\nThanks,\n\n-Shawn\nbreedsa@wkuvx1.bitnet\n","824":"From: skcgoh@tartarus.uwa.edu.au (Shaw Goh)\nSubject: Re: Non-turbo speed\nOrganization: The University of Western Australia\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tartarus.uwa.edu.au\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nNic Percival (x5336) (nmp@mfltd.co.uk) wrote:\n: \n: Just taken delivery of a 66MHz 486 DX2 machine, and very nice it is too.\n: One query - the landmark speed when turbo is on is 230 or something MHz\n: - thats not the problem. The problem is the speed when turbo is off. Its\n: 7 MHz. The equivalent in car terms is having a nice Porsche with a button\n: that turns it into a skateboard.\n: \n: Does anyone have a clue as to what determines the relative performance of\n: turbo vs non-turbo?? I would like to set it to give a landmark speed of\n: about 30 or 40 MHz with turbo off.\n: \n: Cheers,\n: \n\nIt should be halved that of turbo (ie 33Mhz).\n\n","825":"From: zia@castle.ed.ac.uk (Zia Manji)\nSubject: HELP: PowerBook 160 and Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner\nArticle-I.D.: castle.33950\nOrganization: Edinburgh University\nLines: 43\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\n\n\t|\n\t||  edited and forwarded by the csm.announce moderator;\n\t||  please respond to the originator by email ALSO; what he\n\t||  needs, besides a cable that works, is a phone-number and\n\t||  AppleLink address for Caere - and a smile and a pat on the\n\t||  back... :-)\n\t|\n\nPlease, I beg you. If you know anything about the Caere Typist Plus\nGraphics Hand Scanner, Please read and solve my problem. I will be\ntruely grateful for the rest of my life!\n\nThe problem is that My Caere Typist Plus Graphics Hand Scanner will not\nconnect to my PowerBook 160. The Cable on the Scanner will not fit into\nthe SCSI port on the PowerBook.\n\nI then got a cable assembled to adapt the original cable to fit the SCSI\nport. This, however, turned the computer into SCSI mode and treated it\nas a hard disk.\n\nI have asked an engineer in London to assembled a new cable. The idiot,\nout of sheer laziness has taken 14 weeks and has yet to solve the\nproblem. \n\nI am aware that Caere Co. in the US have a solution.\n\nDo you know of a cable that will solve this problem. Please help me if\nyou know the solution. I will be forever grateful to you.\n\nMy e-mail address is:\n\n\t\t\tzia@uk.ac.ed.castle\n\n\t|\n\t||  \"wrong side of the road\" syndrom;\t\t:-))\n\t||\n\t||  for us, that's  zia@castle.ed.ac.uk\n\t|\n\nThanking you in advance,\n\nZia.\n","826":"From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)\nSubject: Re: Auction: Diana's bra\nOrganization: NASA Science Internet Project Office\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.163531.12974@adobe.com>, \ncjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:\n\n|> Next thing you know I'll see bikes with Geeky stickers parked\n|> outside the local white wine, quiche, and fern bar.\n\nHey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look \nat your note to spell it (assumed) correctly.\n\nReally, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...\n\n(MOMMY! Curtis is making fun of ferns again!!!!)\n\n","827":"From: dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nNntp-Posting-Host: mudd.se.houston.geoquest.slb.com\nOrganization: GeoQuest System, Inc. Houston\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1qke5b$mc4@spool.mu.edu> jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu (Jason Hanson) writes:\n>>From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (\"Erik Velapoldi\"):\n>>> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.\n>>> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to\n>>> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five\n>>> cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly\n>\n>About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau\n>Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below.  (I believe he was a\n>schoolteacher from Minnesota.)\n\nHere in Houston a couple years ago a young pregnant woman was killed\nin a similar manner.\n","828":"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nDistribution: na\nLines: 26\n\nTed Dunning (ted@nmsu.edu) wrote:\n: \n: nobody seems to have noticed that the clipper chip *must* have been\n: under development for considerably longer than the 3 months that\n: clinton has been president.  this is not something that choosing\n: choosing bush over clinton would have changed in the slightest; it has\n: been in the works for some time.\n\nActually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program\nstarted at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology\nand Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the\nchips is well underway, and so forth.\n\nNobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose\nto go ahead with it.\n\n\n-Tim May\n-- \n..........................................................................\nTimothy C. May         | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,  \ntcmay@netcom.com       | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero\n408-688-5409           | knowledge, reputations, information markets, \nW.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA  | black markets, collapse of governments.\nHigher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.\n\n","829":"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Fundamentalism - again.\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <khan0095.734814178@nova> khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes:\n>One of my biggest complaints about using the word \"fundamentalist\"\n>is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime\n>fundamentalists                                  ^^^^^^^muslim\n>but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is.\n>I wonder what an equal definition would be..\n>any takers..\n\n\tThe American press routinely uses the word fundamentalist to\nrefer to both Christians and Jews.  Christian fundementalists are\noften refered to in the context of anti-abortion protests.  The\nAmerican media also uses fundamentalist to refer to Jews who live in\nJudea, Samaria or Gaza, and to any Jew who follows the torah.\n\nAdam\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t       adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n\"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn't waste them on members of Congress...\"   -John Perry Barlow\n","830":"From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)\nSubject: Misc Stuff for Sale\nOrganization: The Ohio State University Dept. of Computer and Info. Science\nLines: 38\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu\n\nMisc. Items for sale:\n\n\nMount Plate:  Sony Model CPM-203P, mounting plate for Sony portable CD players\nfor Portable: plugs into car lighter, snaps onto the bottom of any Sony\nCD Player:    Portable CD player, perfect condition. Will also throw in a \n\t      cassette adapter in SO SO condition.\n\t      Paid $45...............Asking $30.\n\nCar Speakers:\tSherwood 5 1\/4\" two way car speakers, in car for 7 months,\n5 1\/4 inch:\texcellent condition, Paid $65............Asking $40.\n\n4 inch:\t    Factory Speakers from Toyota excellent condition Asking $20.\n\n\nNintendo:   Nintendo Game Boy, Light Boy, Tetris, Super Mario Land,  \nGameboy:    NFL Football, Castlevania Adventure, Hyper Lode Runner, 4 years\n+ games:    old\tall in working condition, Asking $70.\nAccessories:\n\n\nWhole Internet:\tThe Whole Internet: User's Guide and Catalog by ED Krol,\nbook:\t\tguide to using the internet, where to fing information and \n\t\tresources.   Paid $30..........Asking $20.\n\nMicroSoft:    Never Used, came with my computer, Asking $30.\nVisual Basic:\n\nMicroSoft: \t   Came with my computer, never used, Asking $100.\nWord for Windows:\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\tThanks,\n\n\t\t\t\t\tJonathan D. Fields\n\t\t\t\t\tfields@cis.ohio-state.edu\n\n\n","831":"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nIn-Reply-To: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com's message of 16 Apr 1993 07:30:17 -0400\nLines: 12\nOrganization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc.\n\t<1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com>\n\nIn article <1qm5c9$6on@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com> marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley) writes:\n\n>   First off, with all these huge software packages and files that\n>   they produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).\n\nI've seen a listing of a Seagate 1G IDE hard drive.\n\n>   Second, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI\n>   and will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT.\n\nWindows NT already supports SCSI, a variety of adapters, for disk,\ntape, and CD-ROM.  So does OS\/2 2.0.\n-- \nRichard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com\nOS\/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...\n","832":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: 2.5 million Muslims perished of butchery at the hands of Armenians.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 92\n\nIn article <1993Apr25.015551.23259@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:\n\n>\tActually, Jarmo is a permanent resident of my killfile\n\nAnyone care to speculate on this? I'll let the rest of the net judge\nthis on its own merits. Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished \nof butchery at the hands of Armenians. The genocide involved not only \nthe killing of innocents but their forcible deportation from the Russian \nArmenia. They were persecuted, banished, and slaughtered while much of \nOttoman Army was engaged in World War I. The Genocide Treaty defines \ngenocide as acting with a \n\n  'specific intent to destroy, in whole or in substantial part, a \n   national, ethnic, racial or religious group.' \n\nHistory shows that the x-Soviet Armenian Government intended to eradicate \nthe Muslim population. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were exterminated by the \nArmenians. International diplomats in Ottoman Empire at the time - including \nU.S. Ambassador Bristol - denounced the x-Soviet Armenian Government's policy \nas a massacre of the Kurds, Turks, and Tartars. The blood-thirsty leaders of \nthe x-Soviet Armenian Government at the time personally involved in the \nextermination of the Muslims. The Turkish genocide museums in Turkiye honor \nthose who died during the Turkish massacres perpetrated by the Armenians. \n\nThe eyewitness accounts and the historical documents established,\nbeyond any doubt, that the massacres against the Muslim people\nduring the war were planned and premeditated. The aim of the policy\nwas clearly the extermination of all Turks in x-Soviet Armenian \nterritories.\n\nThe Muslims of Van, Bitlis, Mus, Erzurum and Erzincan districts and\ntheir wives and children have been taken to the mountains and killed.\nThe massacres in Trabzon, Tercan, Yozgat and Adana were organized and\nperpetrated by the blood-thirsty leaders of the x-Soviet Armenian \nGovernment.\n\nThe principal organizers of the slaughter of innocent Muslims were\nDro, Antranik, Armen Garo, Hamarosp, Daro Pastirmadjian, Keri,\nKarakin, Haig Pajise-liantz and Silikian.\n\nSource: \"Bristol Papers\", General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol\n         to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.\n\n\"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in \n the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly \n defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder\n the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village.\"\n\n\nSources: (The Ottoman State, the Ministry of War), \"Islam Ahalinin \nDucar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,\" (Istanbul, 1918). \nThe French version: \"Documents Relatifs aux Atrocites Commises par les Armeniens\nsur la Population Musulmane,\" (Istanbul, 1919). In the Latin script: H. K.\nTurkozu, ed., \"Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,\" (Ankara,\n1982). In addition: Z. Basar, ed., \"Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,\" (Ankara,\n1974) and, edited by the same author, \"Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler -\nDerlemeler,\" (Ankara, 1978). \"Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ...,\" Vol. 32, 83\n(December 1983), document numbered 1881.\n\"Askeri Tarih Belgeleri ....,\" Vol. 31, 81 (December 1982), document\n numbered 1869.\n\n\"Those who were capable of fighting were taken away at the very beginning\n with the excuse of forced labor in road construction, they were taken\n in the direction of Sarikamis and annihilated. When the Russian army\n withdrew, a part of the remaining people was destroyed in Armenian\n massacres and cruelties: they were thrown into wells, they were locked\n in houses and burned down, they were killed with bayonets and swords, in places\n selected as butchering spots, their bellies were torn open, their lungs\n were pulled out, and girls and women were hanged by their hair after\n being subjected to every conceivable abominable act. A very small part \n of the people who were spared these abominations far worse than the\n cruelty of the inquisition resembled living dead and were suffering\n from temporary insanity because of the dire poverty they had lived\n in and because of the frightful experiences they had been subjected to.\n Including women and children, such persons discovered so far do not\n exceed one thousand five hundred in Erzincan and thirty thousand in\n Erzurum. All the fields in Erzincan and Erzurum are untilled, everything\n that the people had has been taken away from them, and we found them\n in a destitute situation. At the present time, the people are subsisting\n on some food they obtained, impelled by starvation, from Russian storages\n left behind after their occupation of this area.\"\n \nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","833":"From: madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nKeywords: Dan Bissell\nOrganization: Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things\nLines: 28\n\n1.  Did you read the FAQs?\n\n2.  If NO, Read the FAQs.\n\n3.  IF YES, you wouldn't have posted such drivel.  The \"Lord, Liar\n    or Lunatic\" argument is a false trilemma.  Even if you disprove\n    Liar and Lunatic (which you haven't), you have not eliminated\n    the other possibilities, such as Mistaken, Misdirected, or\n    Misunderstood.  You have arbitrarily set up three and only\n    three possibilities without considering others.\n\n4.  Read a good book on rhetoric and critical thinking.  If\n    you think the \"Lord, Liar, or Lunatic\" discussion is an\n    example of a good argument, you are in need of learning.\n\n5.  Read the FAQs again, especially \"Constructing a Logical\n    Argument.\"\n\nIgnore these instructions at your peril.  Disobeying them\nleaves you open for righteous flaming.\n\n\n-- \nMaddi Hausmann                       madhaus@netcom.com\nCentigram Communications Corp        San Jose California  408\/428-3553\n\nKids, please don't try this at home.  Remember, I post professionally.\n\n","834":"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman)\nSubject: Re: Looking for a filemanager under X11R5\nOrganization: ITC\/UVA Community Access UNIX\/Internet Project\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.130259.3773@atlastele.com> brians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:\n>Does anyone have a file manager that runs under UNIX\/X11R5??\n>\n\nxdtm is working looking at, as is ftptool.  There really isn't anything of\nany quality that I've seen though, and I'm seriously considering writing one\non my own.\n\n-- \nmike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu \n\n\"I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class.\" -Unknown\n","835":"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: help: How to reduce the RPMs of a Boxer fan ?\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nYes, you increase the RPM slip of a \"boxer\" type fan by installing\na capacitor in series with the fan's power supply.  The air flow of\nsmall 3.5 inch fans can be reduced by about 50% by using a 1 to 4\nuF capacitor.  Use a good grade nonpolarized unit with working\nvoltage rating around 250 volts.  Note that some impriical study is\nusually required to experimentally determine the best size\ncapacitor for a given application.\n\nFor DC powered applications, try the Radio Shack 12 volt box fan.\nIt can run and start reliably from as low as about 4.5 VDC.  It is\nexceptionally quiet, but at admittedly low flow.  I wish I knew who\nmade the fans for Radio Shack.\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1)    146.580: N8WED\n","836":"From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng)\nSubject: Re: Identifying \/ Securing Files\nOrganization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <2bb29f4c@mash.boulder.co.us: rmashlan%mash@csn.org (Robert Mashlan) writes:\n:tarnold@vnet.IBM.COM (Todd W. Arnold) said in article <19930322.101356.617@almaden.ibm.com>:\n:>It's OK as long as you trust the end-user to stay out of your application\n:>program - or as long as it runs in a system where the user can't get to it.\n:>Otherwise, you can't stop him from finding the \"load a module\" code in your\n:>program, and simply bypassing the check for a valid module.  The devious user\n:>can either modify the object code before running the program, or he can run\n:>the program under a debugger and change the instructions in memory.\n:There is a way to foil debuggers, by clearing the single step \n:interrupt, on which a debugger depends, every few instructions in \n:the sensitive areas of the code.\n\nThis assumes the person is using the hardware debug instruction of an X86\ntype processor.  It can be negated by NOP'ing the clear debug instruction,\nor by running the code on a machine simulator, like one I wrote as a senior\nproject in college.  It can bypass and trace practically anything one could\nwrite in software.  Kind of like being on a Star Trek Holideck :-).\n\n-- \nKenneth Ng\nPlease reply to ken@eies2.njit.edu for now.\n\"All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting\non someone's table\" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG\n","837":"From: luis.nobrega@filebank.cts.com (Luis Nobrega) \nSubject: PC PAINTBRUSH IV+\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: The File Bank BBS - Fallbrook, CA  619-728-4318\nReply-To: luis.nobrega@filebank.cts.com (Luis Nobrega) \nLines: 11\n\nI am trying to configure Zsoft's PC Paintbrush IV+ for use with my\nLogitech Scanman 32 (hand scanner), but I can't get Paintbrush to\nacknowledge the scanner. Is there anybody out there using Paintbrush\nwith a scanner, if so, can you help me out?\n                                Thanks Luis Nobrega\n                                                                                      \n----\n*--------------------------------------------------------------------------*\n| The File Bank BBS - 619-728-4318 - PCBoard v.14.5a\/E10 - USR HST & DS    |\n| 8 nodes \/ RIME \/ Internet \/ Largest Clipper file collection in the world |\n*--------------------------------------------------------------------------*\n","838":"From: gurakl@aix.rpi.edu (Laura J. Gurak)\nSubject: XT clone for sale\nArticle-I.D.: rpi.+zt5m5_\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY\nLines: 35\nNntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu\n\nFOR SALE:\n \nIBM-compatible XT personal computer (DOS)\nBrand:  Acer\nAge:    4.5 years\nSpecs:  640K RAM\n        20 meg hard drive\n        5 -1\/4 floppy drive\n        Color monitor\n        2400 baud USRobotics internal modem\n \nBundled with loads of software: word processing, \ncommunications, spreadsheet, games.\n \nA good computer that successfully got me through \nall of my BA, MS, and half of my PhD (I decided to \nswitch to a Mac for my dissertation). Perfect for \nhigh school student, college student, or person who \nneeds basic word processing, spreadsheet, and\/or \ndatabase capabilities.\n \nBest offer.\n \n \nReply to\nLaura Gurak\nuserglub@mts.rpi.edu\n \n \n\n-- \n*****************************************************************************\nLaura J. Gurak\/PhD candidate\/Dept. Language, Literature, and Communication\nRensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY 12180\/gurakl@rpi.edu\nrhetorics of science & technology\/social aspects of computing\/rhet. criticism\n","839":"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)\nSubject: Re: If Drugs Should Be Legalized, How?\nNntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1qrohrINNipe@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (Wil\nliam December Starr) writes:\n>\n>In article <1993Apr18.003848.21571@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>,\n>rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) said:\n>\n>>>> However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to\n>>>> be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly.  [Ryan C Scharfy]\n>>>\n>>> Or, the government could adopt the radical and probably unAmerican\n>>> idea that citizens are free to live their lives as they wish, and\n>>> simply decriminalize cocaine, marijuana, heroin, LSD, etc.  Please\n>>> explain why the idea of allowing recreational drugs to be \"bought like\n>>> cigarettes\" is \"just plain silly.\"  After all, it works just fine for\n>>> nicotine...  [wdstarr]\n>>\n>> Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it.\n>\n>Ryan, please explain how the \"coolness\" or lack thereof of cancer is\n>relevant to a discussion of the legalization of currently illegal\n>recreational drugs.  For that matter, please explain how it's even\n>relevant to a discussion of currently _legal_ recreational drugs such as\n>tobacco. [wdstarr]\n\nYou said it worked so well with tobacco.  I was being fascisious(I can't spell \nworth a damn)\n\nLook, this is getting ridiculous, first, I think tobacco should be legal.  \nAnybody who can't see the difference between tobacco and marijuana has got to \nbe high.\n\nRyan\n","840":"From: jac2y@Virginia.EDU (\"Jonathan A. Cook <jac2y>\")\nSubject: Stuff for sale- music\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 19\n\nCDs ($9 ea inc shipping)\n---\nJesus Jones, DOUBT\nResidents, HEAVEN?\nREM, DOCUMENT\nNymphs, SAD AND DAMNED single\n\nTapes\n-----\nRobert Plant, all solo stuff\nLed Zeppelin IV\n\nTshirts\n-------\nRobert Plant, Manic Nirvana tour\nLed Zeppelin, Symbols\/Swansong black\nBob Dylan, 1990 tour tie-dye\n\nAll offers accepted.  Mail to jac2y@virginia.edu\n","841":"Subject: Snooper..any opinions\nFrom: Keith Whitehead <sir@office.acme.gen.nz>\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Apple Source BBS\nX-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version\nLines: 16\n\n\nHas anyone use Snooper or MacEKG or any other similar diagnostic \nsoftware.Any comparisons\/reviews on these products would be very much \nappreciated.\n\nThanks in advance for your help\n\nCheers\n--\n\n\n==========================================================================\n:  Sir@office.acme.gen.nz                                                :\n:                                                                        :\n: Be thankfull that we dont get all the government we pay for!           :\n==========================================================================\n","842":"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu\n\nIn PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 \"Although SCSI is twice as fasst as ESDI,\n20% faster than IDE, and support up to 7 devices its acceptance ...has\nlong been stalled by incompatability problems and installation headaches.\"\nnote what it does NOT site as a factor: PRICE.\nint eh same article the PC would will get plug and play SCSI {from the\narticle it seems you get plug and play SCSI-1 only since SCSI-2 in FULL\nimplimentation has TEN NOT 7 devices.}\nSCSI-1 intergration is sited as another part of the MicroSoft Plug and play\nprogram.\n","843":"From: baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Baden de Bari)\nSubject: *]] MOSFET help...\nOrganization: The Inquiring Mind BBS  1 204 488-1607\nLines: 28\n\n \n        Since I'm not all too keen on this area of hooking them up, I'm \nasking for help.  I know better than to hook a 12v, 1a stepper line to \none, unless it can take it; however what about if I've got a 24-60v \nstepper.  What sort of curent limmiting circuitry would be involved (a \nsmall schematic would probably be helpfull).  \n        Also, I've looked into the TIPC2701N by TI, and I was wondering \nif I should use the same suggested (by you replying to this message) \ncurrent limiting circuitry on each of the 7 mosfets in the package as \nthat illustrated in the schematic (which you the replyer would hopefully \nhelp me with).\n \n                                ... hmm... different request... \n \n                Thanks.\n\n \n  _________________________________________________\n  Inspiration  |   ___                             |\n  comes to     |  \\   o  baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |\n  those who    | (  ^  ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |\n  seek the     |   \/-\\      =] Baden de Bari [=    |\n  unknown.     |                                   |\n  ------------------------------------------------- \n \n\nbaden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca\nThe Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607\n","844":"From: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com (Gary Merrill)\nSubject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)\nOriginator: sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com\nNntp-Posting-Host: theseus.unx.sas.com\nOrganization: SAS Institute Inc.\nLines: 15\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.163923.25120@microsoft.com>, tomca@microsoft.com (Tom B. Carey) writes:\n|> OK, just for grins:\n|> - Kekule hypothesized a resonant structure for the aromatic benzene\n|> ring after waking from a dream in which a snake was swallowing his tail.\n|> - Archimedes formalized the principle of buoyancy while meditating in\n|> his bath.\n\nWell, certainly in Archimedes case the description \"while observing the\nphenomena in his bath\" seems more accurate than \"while meditating in\nhis bath\" -- it was, after all, a rather buoyancy intense environment.\n-- \nGary H. Merrill  [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]\nSAS Institute Inc. \/ SAS Campus Dr. \/ Cary, NC  27513 \/ (919) 677-8000\nsasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm\n","845":"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Re: Death and Taxes (was Why not give $1 billion to...\nArticle-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr23.000021.1\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\nLines: 55\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.162501.747@indyvax.iupui.edu>, tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:\n> In my first posting on this subject I threw out an idea of how to fund\n> such a contest without delving to deep into the budget.  I mentioned\n> granting mineral rights to the winner (my actual wording was, \"mining\n> rights.)  Somebody pointed out, quite correctly, that such rights are\n> not anybody's to grant (although I imagine it would be a fait accompli\n> situation for the winner.)  So how about this?  Give the winning group\n> (I can't see one company or corp doing it) a 10, 20, or 50 year\n> moratorium on taxes.\n> \n> Tom Freebairn \n\n\nWho says there is no mineral rights to be given? Who says? The UN or the US\nGovernment? \nMajor question is if you decide to mine the moon or Mars, who will stop you?\nThe UN can't other than legal tom foolerie.. Can the truly inforce it?\n\nIf you go to the moon as declare that you are now a soverign nation, who will\nstop you from doing it. Maybe not acknowledge you? \n\nWhy can't a small company or corp or organization go an explore the great\nbeyond of space? what right does earth have to say what is legal and what is\nnot.. Maybe I am a few years ahead on this.. It is liek the old Catholic Church \nstating which was Portugals and what was Spains, and along came the Reformation\nand made it all null and void.. \n\nWhat can happen is to find a nation which is acknowledged, and offer your\nservices as a space miner and then go mine the asteroids\/mars\/moon or what\never.. As long as yur sponsor does not get in trouble..\nBasically find a country who wants to go into space, but can't for soem reason\nor another, but who will give you a \"home\".. Such as Saudia Arabia or\nwhatever..\nThere are nations in the World who are not part of the UN, got to them and\noffer your services and such.. I know that sound crazy, but. is it..\nAlso once you have the means to mine the moon (or whatever) then just do it.\nThe UN if done right can be made to be so busy with something else, they will\nnot care.. \nIf your worried about the US, do the same thing..\n\nWhy be limited by the short sighted people of earth.. After all they have many\nother things to worry about that if someone is mining the Moon or MArs or what\never..\nBasically what I am saying is where is that drive of yeasteryears to go a\nlittle bit farther out, to do jus ta  little bit more, and to tell the crown to\npiss off.. If my ancestors thought the way many today think, Id have been born\nin Central Europe just north of the Black Sea..\n\nI just read a good book, \"Tower of the Gods\" Interesting..\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\n\n\n \n","846":"From: sbrogii@copernicus.Tymnet.COM (Scott Brogley)\nSubject: dodge wagon for sale\nSummary: 1964 Dodge Dart V8 wagon $300\/negotiable\nKeywords: 1964 Dodge Dart wagon 273ci v8 sale 300 $ for california cal CAL Bay Area bay area Cal\nArticle-I.D.: tymix.3647\nOrganization: 2M&I\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: copernicus\n\nTo: Dodge Dart collectors\n\nI have a 1964 Dodge (25th anniversary) Dart 273ci V8 wagon to turn into cash.\nMy asking price is $300.00 although we can negotiate.  The car currently\nresides in Union City, California.  Thats on the east side of the San Francisco\nBay Area in the state of California of the United states of America on the\ncontinent of North America of the planet Earth, third planetary body out from\nSol, a mid range yellowish star in the Western Spiral Arm of the Milkyway\nGalaxy.\n\ntoowhit: north of Silicon Valley\n\nif interested pleas contact Scott by the following means:\n        internet                sbrogii@tymnet.com\n        home answering machine  510.489.6165\n        business voice mail     408.922.6547\n        loud yell & wave money out the window\n                        ^(not recommended in downtown urban environment)\n\nps. I also have a `72 BMW r60\/5 for sale, $700.00.\n","847":"From: landis@stsci.edu (Robert Landis,S202,,)\nSubject: Re: Soviet Space Book\nReply-To: landis@stsci.edu\nOrganization: Space Telescope Science Institute, Baltimore MD\nLines: 9\n\nWhat in blazes is going on with Wayne Matson and gang\ndown in Alabama?  I also heard an unconfirmed rumor that\nAerospace Ambassadors have disappeared.  Can anyone else\nconfirm??\n\n++Rob Landis\n   STScI, Baltimore, MD\n\n\n","848":"From: dpw@sei.cmu.edu (David Wood)\nSubject: Request for Support\nOrganization: Software Engineering Institute\nLines: 35\n\n\n\nI have a request for those who would like to see Charley Wingate\nrespond to the \"Charley Challenges\" (and judging from my e-mail, there\nappear to be quite a few of you.)  \n\nIt is clear that Mr. Wingate intends to continue to post tangential or\nunrelated articles while ingoring the Challenges themselves.  Between\nthe last two re-postings of the Challenges, I noted perhaps a dozen or\nmore posts by Mr. Wingate, none of which answered a single Challenge.  \n\nIt seems unmistakable to me that Mr. Wingate hopes that the questions\nwill just go away, and he is doing his level best to change the\nsubject.  Given that this seems a rather common net.theist tactic, I\nwould like to suggest that we impress upon him our desire for answers,\nin the following manner:\n\n1. Ignore any future articles by Mr. Wingate that do not address the\nChallenges, until he answers them or explictly announces that he\nrefuses to do so.\n\n--or--\n\n2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it\nsomething similar to the following:\n\n    \"Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges.\"\n\nReally, I'm not looking to humiliate anyone here, I just want some\nhonest answers.  You wouldn't think that honesty would be too much to\nask from a devout Christian, would you?  \n\nNevermind, that was a rhetorical question.\n\n--Dave Wood\n","849":"From: king@reasoning.com (Dick King)\nSubject: How to interview a doctor\nNntp-Posting-Host: drums.reasoning.com\nOrganization: Reasoning Systems, Inc., Palo Alto, CA\nLines: 11\n\n\nMy insurance company encourages annual physicals, and at my age [42] i'm\nthinking that BIannual physicals, at least, might be a good idea.  Therefore,\ni'm shopping for a GP.  Might as well get a good one.\n\nCould the Assembled Net Wisdom suggest things i should look for, or point me to\nthe FAQ archive if on this topic if there is one?  \n\nPlease EMail; i suspect that this topic is real Net Clutter bait.\n\n-dk\n","850":"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)\nSubject: re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth\nLines: 10\nNntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30\n\n\nIn article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:\n>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful\n>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle \n>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this \n>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.\n>\n>\t\t\t\teric\n\nHmm, If I did this, would I be able to take the outriggers off?\n","851":"From: tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker)\nSubject: Re: Shuttle Launch Question\nOrganization: Me, at The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <15APR199320340428@stdvax> abdkw@stdvax (David Ward) writes:\n>In article <C5JLwx.4H9.1@cs.cmu.edu>, ETRAT@ttacs1.ttu.edu (Pack Rat) writes...\n>>There has been something bothering me while watching\n>>NASA Select for a while.  Well, I should'nt say\n>>bothering, maybe wondering would be better.  When\n>>they are going to launch they say (sorry but I forget\n>>exactly who is saying what, OTC to PLT I think)\n>>\"Clear caution & warning memory.  Verify no unexpected\n>>errors. ...\".  I am wondering what an \"expected error\" might\n>>be.  Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but\n>\n>\n>In pure speculation, I would guess cautions based on hazardous\n>pre-launch ops would qualify.  Something like \"Caution:  SRBs\n>have just been armed.\"  \n\nAlso in pure speculation:\n\nParity errors in memory or previously known conditions that were waivered.\n   \"Yes that is an error, but we already knew about it\"\n\nAny problem where they decided a backup would handle it.\n\nAny problem in an area that was not criticality 1,2,3..., that is, any\n   problem in a system they decided they could do without.\n\nI'd be curious as to what the real meaning of the quote is.\n\ntom\n","852":"From: davidk@welch.jhu.edu (David \"Go-Go\" Kitaguchi)\nSubject: Re: A Little Too Satanic\nNntp-Posting-Host: uss1.welch.jhu.edu\nReply-To: davidk@welch.jhu.edu\nOrganization: Welch Medical Library\nLines: 21\n\nIn article 65934@mimsy.umd.edu, mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate) writes:\n:PNanci Ann Miller writes:\n:P\n:P>My favorite reply to the \"you are being too literal-minded\" complaint is\n:P>that if the bible is really inspired by God and if it is really THAT\n:P>important to him, then he would make damn certain all the translators and\n:P>scribes and people interpreting and copying it were getting it right,\n:P>literally.  If not, then why should I put ANY merit at all in something\n:P>that has been corrupted over and over and over by man even if it was\n:P>originally inspired by God?\n:P\n:PThe \"corrupted over and over\" theory is pretty weak.  Comparison of the\n:Pcurrent hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text\n:Phas in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia.  This\n:Pshouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner\n:Pare likely to makes some pains to make good copies.\n\nWell corrupted the first time is good enough.  Seeing that the bible was constructed\n400 years after Jesus's death, in the text of merchants (ie-owe this and owe that) I wonder how anyone can take the literal word seriously.  Obviously it was not intended for such nonsense, otherwise the authors of the bible would not need to plagerize (sp)\noff of the Asians for most of the contents that can be interperated to make sense.\n\n","853":"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nSubject: Cryptography FAQ 09\/10 - Other Miscellany\nOrganization: The Crypt Cabal\nLines: 174\nExpires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT\nReply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com\nSummary: Part 9 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Other Miscellany.\n National Security agency. US export restrictions. TEMPEST \n electromagnetic interference monitoring.  Beale ciphers, a hoax?\n American Cryptographic Association.  RSA public-key patents.\nX-Last-Updated: 1993\/04\/16\n\nArchive-name: cryptography-faq\/part09\nLast-modified: 1993\/4\/15\n\n\nFAQ for sci.crypt, part 9: Other Miscellany\n\nThis is the ninth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are\nmostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.\nWe don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.\nNotes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.\n\nThe sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu \nas \/pub\/usenet\/news.answers\/cryptography-faq\/part[xx].  The Cryptography \nFAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers \nevery 21 days.\n\n\nContents:\n\n* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?\n* What are the US export regulations?\n* What is TEMPEST?\n* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?\n* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?\n* Is RSA patented?\n* What about the Voynich manuscript?\n\n\n* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?\n\n  The NSA is the official security body of the U.S. government. It\n  was given its charter by President Truman in the late 40's, and\n  has continued research in cryptology till the present. The NSA is\n  known to be the largest employer of mathematicians in the world,\n  and is also the largest purchaser of computer hardware in the\n  world. Governments in general have always been prime employers of\n  cryptologists. The NSA probably possesses cryptographic expertise many\n  years ahead of the public state of the art, and can undoubtedly break\n  many of the systems used in practice; but for reasons of national\n  security almost all information about the NSA is classified.\n\n  Bamford's book [BAMFD] gives a history of the people and operations of\n  the NSA. The following quote from Massey [MAS88] highlights the\n  difference between public and private research in cryptography:\n\n  ``... if one regards cryptology as the prerogative of government,\n  one accepts that most cryptologic research will be conducted\n  behind closed doors. Without doubt, the number of workers engaged\n  today in such secret research in cryptology far exceeds that of\n  those engaged in open research in cryptology. For only about 10\n  years has there in fact been widespread open research in\n  cryptology. There have been, and will continue to be, conflicts\n  between these two research communities. Open research is common\n  quest for knowledge that depends for its vitality on the open\n  exchange of ideas via conference presentations and publications in\n  scholarly journals. But can a government agency, charged with\n  responsibilities of breaking the ciphers of other nations,\n  countenance the publication of a cipher that it cannot break? Can\n  a researcher in good conscience publish such a cipher that might\n  undermine the effectiveness of his own government's code-breakers?\n  One might argue that publication of a provably-secure cipher would\n  force all governments to behave like Stimson's `gentlemen', but one\n  must be aware that open research in cryptography is fraught with\n  political and ethical considerations of a severity than in most\n  scientific fields. The wonder is not that some conflicts have\n  occurred between government agencies and open researchers in\n  cryptology, but rather that these conflicts (at least those of which\n  we are aware) have been so few and so mild.''\n\n* What are the US export regulations?\n\n  In a nutshell, there are two government agencies which control\n  export of encryption software. One is the Bureau of Export\n  Administration (BXA) in the Department of Commerce, authorized by\n  the Export Administration Regulations (EAR). Another is the Office\n  of Defense Trade Controls (DTC) in the State Department, authorized\n  by the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR). As a rule\n  of thumb, BXA (which works with COCOM) has less stringent\n  requirements, but DTC (which takes orders from NSA) wants to see\n  everything first and can refuse to transfer jurisdiction to BXA.\n\n  The newsgroup misc.legal.computing carries many interesting\n  discussions on the laws surrounding cryptographic export, what\n  people think about those laws, and many other complex issues which\n  go beyond the scope of technical groups like sci.crypt. Make sure to\n  consult your lawyer before doing anything which will get you thrown in\n  jail; if you are lucky, your lawyer might know a lawyer who has at\n  least heard of the ITAR.\n\n* What is TEMPEST?\n\n  TEMPEST is a standard for electromagnetic shielding for computer\n  equipment. It was created in response to the discovery that\n  information can be read from computer radiation (e.g., from a CRT) at\n  quite a distance and with little effort.\n\n  Needless to say, encryption doesn't do much good if the cleartext\n  is available this way.\n\n* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?\n\n  (Thanks to Jim Gillogly for this information and John King for\n  corrections.)\n\n  The story in a pamphlet by J. B. Ward (1885) goes: Thomas\n  Jefferson Beale and a party of adventurers accumulated a huge mass\n  of treasure and buried it in Bedford County, Virginia, leaving\n  three ciphers with an innkeeper; the ciphers describe the\n  location, contents, and intended beneficiaries of the treasure.\n  Ward gives a decryption of the second cipher (contents) called B2;\n  it was encrypted as a book cipher using the initial letters of the\n  Declaration of Independence (DOI) as key. B1 and B3 are unsolved;\n  many documents have been tried as the key to B1.\n\n  Aficionados can join a group that attempts to solve B1 by various\n  means with an eye toward splitting the treasure:\n\n  The Beale Cypher Association\n  P.O. Box 975\n  Beaver Falls, PA 15010\n\n  You can get the ciphers from the rec.puzzles FAQL by including the\n  line:\n\n  send index\n\n  in a message to netlib@peregrine.com and following the directions.\n  (There are apparently several different versions of the cipher\n  floating around. The correct version is based on the 1885 pamphlet,\n  says John King <kingj@hpcc01.corp.hp.com>.)\n\n  Some believe the story is a hoax. Kruh [KRU88] gives a long list of\n  problems with the story. Gillogly [GIL80] decrypted B1 with the DOI\n  and found some unexpected strings, including ABFDEFGHIIJKLMMNOHPP.\n  Hammer (president of the Beale Cypher Association) agrees that this\n  string couldn't appear by chance, but feels there must be an\n  explanation; Gwyn (sci.crypt expert) is unimpressed with this\n  string.\n\n* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?\n\n  The ACA is an organization devoted to cryptography, with an emphasis\n  on cryptanalysis of systems that can be attacked either with\n  pencil-and-paper or computers. Its organ ``The Cryptogram'' includes\n  articles and challenge ciphers. Among the more than 50 cipher types in\n  English and other languages are simple substitution, Playfair,\n  Vigenere, bifid, Bazeries, grille, homophonic, and cryptarithm.\n\n  Dues are $15 for one year (6 issues); more outside of North America;\n  less for students under 18 and seniors. Subscriptions should be sent\n  to ACA Treasurer, 18789 West Hickory St., Mundelein, IL 60060.\n\n* Is RSA patented?\n\n  Yes. The patent number is 4,405,829, filed 12\/14\/77, granted 9\/20\/83.\n  For further discussion of this patent, whether it should have been\n  granted, algorithm patents in general, and related legal and moral\n  issues, see comp.patents and misc.legal.computing. For information\n  about the League for Programming Freedom see [FTPPF]. Note that one of\n  the original purposes of comp.patents was to collect questions such as\n  ``should RSA be patented?'', which often flooded sci.crypt and other\n  technical newsgroups, into a more appropriate forum.\n\n* What about the Voynich manuscript?\n\n  nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) says there is a mailing list on the\n  subject.  the address to write to subscribe to the VMS mailing list\n  is: <voynich-request@rand.org>\n\n  the ftp archive is: rand.org:\/pub\/voynich\n\n  There's all sorts of information about the manuscript itself, of\n  course. A good bibliography can be found on the ftp site. Kahn's\n  \"The Codebreakers\" gives a good introduction.\n","854":"From: jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (Opso Lopso)\nSubject: need help getting saddle bags!!  \nNntp-Posting-Host: jh224-695078.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 15\n\nhey... I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of motorcycles... I just\nbought\na used 81 Kaw KZ650 CSR from a friend.... I was just wondering what kind of\n\nsaddle bags I could get for it (since I know nothing about them)  are there\nbags for the gas tank?  how much would some cost, and how much do they\nhold?\nthanks for your advice!!!  I may be new to riding, but I love it\nalready!!!!\n:)\n\n\n-----\njbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu\n(DoD #55,555)\n","855":"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nDistribution: usa\n <1qm7qoINNqnv@clem.handheld.com> <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.235338.2819@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU\n(Frank Crary) says:\n>\n>>>>...I have never seen anyone else practice marksmanship by\n>>>> taking their gun out of their coat as fast as possible and start shooting.\n>\n>>>That is the recommended way to practice with a CCW, too.  Aim alone is no   d\n>goo\n>>>for defense, if you can't get the gun rapidly.\n>\n>>Very true but the way it was being done was just a little unusual.  It looked\n>>to me like they were practicing to shoot someone...\n\nThe point that I forgot to bring up here (and this has nothing to do with being\na gang member or not) is that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in this\narea (or in the state of illinois for that matter).  This is not to say that\npeople in Illinois don't carry concealed weapons illegaly but practicing like\nthat when there are other people around wasn't too bright of an idea.\n\n>\n>There isn't necessarily a conflict between practicing with a concealed\n>weapon for self-defence and practicing to shoot someone. Armed\n>self-defence does occasionally involve shooting an attacker.\n>\n>                                              Frank Crary\n>                                              CU Boulder\n\nI agree.      If you don't practice at all and carry a gun for self-defense you\nmost likely would be in big trouble if a situation were to arise.\n\nJason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu\n","856":"From: lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands)\nReturn-Path: <news>\nSubject: Paint jobs in the UK\nNntp-Posting-Host: baldrick\nOrganization: Alex Technologies Ltd, London, England\nLines: 11\n\nCan anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. \n\nThanks \n\nLisa Rowlands\n-- \nAlex Technologies Ltd\t\tCP House\n\t\t\t\t97-107 Uxbridge Road\nTel: \t+44 (0)81 566 2307\tEaling\nFax: \t+44 (0)81 566 2308\tLONDON\nemail:\tlisa@alex.com\t\tW5 5LT\n","857":"From: v119matc@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Claus Schwinge)\nSubject: Needed, large, fast backup utility\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 15\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\nI'm looking for a better method to back up files.  Currently using a MaynStream\n250Q that uses DC 6250 tapes.  I will need to have a capacity of 600 Mb to 1Gb\nfor future backups.  Only DOS files.\n\nI would be VERY appreciative of information about backup devices or\nmanufacturers of these products.  Flopticals, DAT, tape, anything.  \nIf possible, please include price, backup speed, manufacturer (phone #?), \nand opinions about the quality\/reliability.\n\nPlease E-Mail, I'll send summaries to those interested.\n\nThanx in advance,\n\n-Claus Schwinge\n-SUNYAB Student Finances and Records\n","858":"From: oyalcin@iastate.edu (Onur Yalcin)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com  writes:\n>In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:\n>|>\n>|>..[cancellum]... \n>|>\n>\n>\n>Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;\n>\n>ARMENIA is NOT getting \"itchy\". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE\n>WILL NO  LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS \n>tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of\n>CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. \n>\n>\n\nIt is more appropriate to address netters with their names as they appear in\ntheir signatures (I failed to do so since you did not bother to sign your\nposting). Not only because it is the polite thing to do, but also to avoid\naddressing ladies with \"Mr.\", as you have done.\n\nSecondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled as Cyprus has\nnever been Greek, but rather, it has been home to a bi-communal society formed\nof Greeks and Turks. It seems that you know as little about the history and\nthe demography of the island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's \nmilitary intervention to it under international agreements.\n\nBe that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in history and what\nis going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only be drawn with the expansionist\npolicy that Armenia is now pursuing.\n\nBut, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to the political\nconduct of countries, and promulgate them in such terminology as\n\"itchy-bitchy\"... \n\nOnur Yalcin\n\n-- \n","859":"From: richg@sequent.com (Richard Garrett)\nSubject: Computers for sale ( PC and amiga )\nArticle-I.D.: sequent.1993Apr21.151726.26547\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Sequent Computer Systems, Inc.\nLines: 57\nNntp-Posting-Host: crg8.sequent.com\n\nIts time for a little house cleaning after my PC upgrade.  I have the following\nfor sale:\n\nLeading Technology PC partner (286) sytsem.  includes\n\t80286 12mhz intel cpu\n\t85Mb IDE drive (brand new - canabalized from new system)\n\t3.5 and 5.24 floppies\n\t1 Meg ram\n\tvga congroller\n\tkb\n\t5.0 dos on hard drive\nneed to get $300 for system\n\nAT style kb - $20\nLogitech serial trackman with latest drivers $45\n\nAmiga 500 with 2.0 roms installed and 1Mb video ram and 4Mb addon ram\n\t501 clone (512K ram and clock)\n\tRoctec addon disk IDE disk controller includes SCSI option\n\tQuantum 105mb SCSI drive with lots of software\n\t4mb ( 4 x 1mb simm) installed in roctec\n\tAmiga DOS 2.04\n\tICD Flicker Fixer II\nAsking $500 for  system, \n\nI will part out the amiga, make an offer!\n\namiga Software\n\tCando\t\t\t\t- $25\n\tTextcraft Plus\t\t\t- $5\n\ttetris & welltris\t\t- $5 for both\n\tSword of Sodam\t\t\t- $5\n\tQix\t\t\t\t- $5\n\tCarmen Sandiego\t\t\t- $5\n\tCrossword Construction Kit\t- $10\n\n\tCanadian Prototype Replicas\n\tCD rom Fast File System\t\t- $30\n\n\tHypermedia CD rom containing fred fish disks 1-480\n\tincludes registration card, low cost upgrades.\t$20\n\n\tAmiga hardware Reference Man\t- $5\n\tAmiga to vga monitor cable\t- $5\n\ttwo joysticks\t\t\t- $5 each\n\t\n\nPrices DO NOT include shipping.\n\nContact Rich Garrett\nEmail - richg@sequent.com\nHOME (503) 591-5466\tWORK (503) 578-3822\n-- \n             OOo O                Rich Garrett\n             O oO                 richg@sequent.com\n              o                   WORK (503) 578-3822\n       _____ o o\t\t  \n","860":"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <C5HIyr.327@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:\n\n>Brad, You're a very sick son-of-a-bitch.  Wishing for someone's death, even if\n>they are your enemy, is very deranged.  I really have pity for you and those\n>like you.  Did you acquire this philosophy from Islam?\n\n>>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)\n>Ed.\n\nThis is an interesting question to ponder.  Did Brad\/Ali's sickness\nmake Ayatollah-style Islam attractive to him or did this new religion \nthat Brad\/Ali has formally adopted give him this sickness?\n\n-- \nJake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com           Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions.    standard of a failed President.\n","861":"From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls)\nSubject: Re: Biosphere II\nReply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM\nNews-Software: UReply 3.1\nX-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com\n            <1q1kia$gg8@access.digex.net>\nLines: 18\n\nIn <1q1kia$gg8@access.digex.net> Pat writes:\n>In article <19930408.043740.516@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes:\n>>In <1q09ud$ji0@access.digex.net> Pat writes:\n>>>Why is everyone being so critical of B2?\n>> Because it's bogus science, promoted as 'real' science.\n>It seems to me, that it's sorta a large engineering project more\n>then a science project.\n  Bingo.\n>B2 is not bench science,  but rather a large scale attempt to\n>re-create a series of micro-ecologies.   what's so eveil about this?\n Nothing evil at all. There's no actual harm in what they're doing, only\nhow they represent it.\n\n -----------------------------------------------------------------\n .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one.\n\nGreg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or\n                  nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private)\n","862":"From: Harry Powell Watson <hw26+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Boss Guitar Pedal\nOrganization: Freshman, Design, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po3.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <C4vu72.D18@smsc.sony.com>\n\nFor Sale:\n    One Boss Turbo Overdrive Pedal for guitar, bass, or keyboards--$35\nor best offer. Thanks!! Respond to hw26 or call 268-4841.               \n                           \n                                               Harry\n","863":"From: cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN)\nSubject: Keenan signs with the Rangers!!\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 11\n\nJust heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers,\nand General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers.  The\nRangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the\nend of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers.\nThe Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because\nthey were very interested in him.  Oh well.\n\nGo CAPS!!!!!!!\n\nConnin\n-- \n","864":"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)\nSubject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight\nNntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca\nOrganization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.153820.10118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n\n>>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! \n>>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie !\n\n>I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption\n>would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the\n>net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't\n>conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion...\n\nI was under the impression that the objective is to find conclusive\nevidence that the puck _did_ cross the line.  And, the replays I saw showed \nfairly conclusively that the puck did _not_ cross the goal line at any\ntime anyway.  Somebody screwed up.  \n\n\ndchhabra@stpl.ists.ca\n\n","865":"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)\nSubject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 53\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: saltillo.cs.utexas.edu\nKeywords: science   errors   Turpin\n\n-*----\nI agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in\nthis thread.  In case this puzzles people, I would like to expand\non two of her comments.\n\nIn article <C5JoDH.9IG@news.Hawaii.Edu> lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady) writes:\n> Avoiding mistakes is certainly highly desirable.  However it is also \n> widely acknowledged that perfectionism is inimicable to creativity. \n> ... In the extreme case, a perfectionist becomes so paralyzed by all\n> the possible mistakes he might make that he is unable to even leave\n> the house.  \n\nOne of the most important (and difficult) aspects of reasoning\nabout empirical investigation lies in understanding the context,\nscope, and importance of the various arguments and pieces of\nevidence that are marshalled for a claim.  Some errors break the\nback of a piece of research, some leave a hole that needs to be\nfilled in, and some are trivial in their importance.  It is a\ngrave mistake to confuse these.\n\nPast snippets from this thread:\n\n>>> I doubt if Einstein used any formal methodology.  ....\n\n>> He also proposed numerous experiments which if performed would\n>> distinguish a universe in which special relativity holds from\n>> one in which it does not. ...\n\nBack to Lee Lady:\n\n> These are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and\n> sci.psychology.  According to these posters  \"If it's not supported by\n> carefully designed controlled studies then it's not science.\"\n\nThese posters are making the mistake that I have previously\ncriticized of adhering to a methodological recipe.  A \"carefully\ndesigned and controlled study\" is neither always possible nor\nalways important.  (On the other hand, if someone is proposing a\nremedy that supposedly alleviates a chronic medical problem, we\nhave enough knowledge of the errors that have plagued *this* kind\nof claim to ask for a \"carefully designed and controlled study\"\nto alleviate our skepticism.)\n\nRules such as \"support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and\ncontrolled study\" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation.\nI think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be\nconvincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have\noccurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things.  (To\nreuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from\nuncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical\nproblems are notoriously problematic.)  \n\nRussell\n","866":"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: Re: (new) reason for Clipper alg'm secrecy\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.155924.29995@news.clarkson.edu>, tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra) writes:\n> First, note that the \"experts\" will only look at \"details\", and of just \n> the algorithm:\n> \n>     In addition, respected experts from outside the\n>     government will be offered access to the confidential details of\n>     the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report\n>     their findings.\n> \n> Why not the chip design?  Well, here's the possiblity:  in addition to\n> encryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier\n> to analyze\/transcribe electronically.  The chip, once widespread, might\n> effectively be part of a massively parallel computer for \"voice-\n> grepping\" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons\n> thereof).\n\nFirst of all, the chip doesn't do that.  It runs at 16 megabits\/second,\nwhich is far beyond what you need for voice.  It's obviously intended\nfor data as well, and on high-speed lines at that.\n\nSecond -- what advantage is there to doing the processing in the phone?\nI don't care how fancy that chip is; it's not as fancy as the roomful\nof analyzers at Fort Meade running the program they'll have 5 years from\nnow.  They can't update every Clipper chip that's out there.\n\nThird -- if they did do this preprocessing in the chip, it would probably\nhave a serious effect on recognizability of the voice patterns.  If\nnothing else, that would hurt the acceptability of the product.  The\nV.32bis modems are just barely fast enough to do a good job on properly-\nmassaged voice as is; add any more to the mix, and you're completely out\nof the ballpark.\n","867":"From: sylvain@netcom.com (Nicholas Sylvain)\nSubject: Re: \"Proper gun control?\" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <DLB.93Apr15130411@fanny.wash.inmet.com> dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton) writes:\n>For what it is worth, I own no firearms of any sort.  As long-time\n>readers of this group know, I am dedicated to the RKBA.\n\nA long-time reader of t.p.g, I am also a staunch RKBA supporter, yet\nI own no firearms.\n\n>This is not about toys.  It is about freedom.\n\nAmen, brother.\n\n--\nNicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA\n\n\n-- \nNicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA\n","868":"From: luke@aero.org (Robert A. Luke)\nSubject: Help!  Installing old HD on older Compaq XT\nOrganization: The Aerospace Corporation, El Segundo, CA\nLines: 27\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: aerospace.aero.org\n\nWe are trying to install a donated hard disk (Miniscribe\nvintage 1988) on a supercheap ancient Compaq XT for\nuse in education.  The only problem is that the\nsupercheap Compaq didn't come with the manual and I\nhaven't been able to figure out how to start the SETUP\nprogram.\n\nI began using PCs after 286s were invented, so I have\na couple of basic questions:\n\n1.  Did XT-class computers even *have* SETUP programs?\n\n2.  If they did (or, do), how do I access it?\n\nIf anybody has any good advice on how to proceed or\nwhat to do next or what to look out for, please let me\nknow.  E-mail is best, but I'll also be watching the\nnewsgroup postings.\n\nThanks in advance,\n-Robert\n\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nRobert Luke                     Internet:   luke@aero.org                     \nThe Aerospace Corporation       CompuServe: 71155,3011\n\"Danger, Will Robinson!\"  \n","869":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Travel outside US (Bangladesh)\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1p7ciqINN3th@tamsun.tamu.edu> covingc@ee.tamu.edu (Just George) writes:\n>I will be traveling to Bangaldesh this summer, and am wondering\n>if there are any immunizations I should get before going.\n>\n\nYou can probably get this information by calling your public health\ndepartment in your county (in Pittsburgh, they give the shots free,\nas well).  There are bulletins in medical libraries that give\nrecommendations, or you could call the infectious diseases section\nof the medicine department of your local medical school.  You also\nwill probably want to talk about Malaria prophylaxis.  You will\nneed your doctor to get the prescription.  \n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","870":"Subject: College Hockey All-Star Roster\nFrom: bdhissong@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu\nOrganization: Miami University Academic Computer Service\"\nLines: 2\n\nCould someone please post the rosters for the College Hockey All-Star game East\nand West Rosters?  Thanks in advance.\n","871":"From: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au (Andrew Leahy)\nSubject: Running dxterm's onto Apollo from DEC 5000\/240\nOrganization: University of Western Sydney, Nepean\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 36\n\n\nHelp!\n\nI'm trying to run dxterm's (DECs' xterm) on a DECstation 5000\/240\n(Ultrix 4.3, X11R4, Motif 1.1.3) with the DISPLAY variable set to an\nApollo DN2500 (Domain\/OS 10.3, X11R4, Motif ?.?).\n\nI get these errors appearing on the DECstation:\n\n> dxterm\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string \"<Key>apCharDel        \" to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string \"<Key>apCopy   \" to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string \"<Key>apCut    \" to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string \"<Key>apPaste  \" to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string \"<Key>apUpBox  \" to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string \"<Key>apDownBox        \" to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string \"<Key>apRightBar       \" to type VirtualBinding\nX Toolkit Warning: Cannot convert string \"<Key>apLeftBar        \" to type VirtualBinding\nSegmentation fault\n>\n\nAny ideas? Is it a Motif problem...are the DEC and Apollo versions of Motif\nincompatible? Or something to do with XKeysymDB?\n\n(xterms run fine on DEC displaying on Apollo..arggh)\n\nI need to run dxterm because the package we are using on the DEC's, Oracle Case,\nuses dxterm by default, and we have a lab of Apollo workstations we would like\nto run Oracle from.\n\nAndrew \"Alf\" Leahy, alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au\n--\n__________________________________________________________________________\nAndrew \"Alf\" Leahy                  phone: (047) 360771 (W) irc: pepsi-alf\nUni. Western Sydney, Nepean.        Remote-email: alf@st.nepean.uws.edu.au\nSydney, Australia.                  Local-email: alf\n","872":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nsandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n\n>>To borrow from philosophy, you don't truly understand the color red\n>>until you have seen it.\n>Not true, even if you have experienced the color red you still might\n>have a different interpretation of it.\n\nBut, you wouldn't know what red *was*, and you certainly couldn't judge\nit subjectively.  And, objectivity is not applicable, since you are wanting\nto discuss the merits of red.\n\nkeith\n","873":"From: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU (nathan wallace)\nSubject:  ORION space drive\nReply-To: wallacen@CS.ColoState.EDU\nNntp-Posting-Host: beethoven.cs.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University -=- Computer Science Dept.\nLines: 16\n\nAn excellent reference for non-technical readers on the ORION system is\n\"The Starflight Handbook\", by Eugene Mallove and Gregory Matloff, ISBN\n0-471-61912-4. The relevant chapter is 4: Nuclear Pulse Propulsion.\n\nThe book also contains lots of technical references for the more academically\ninclined. \n\nEnjoy!\n---\nC\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/\nC\/    Nathan F. Wallace                   C\/C\/           \"Reality Is\"         C\/\nC\/    e-mail: wallacen@cs.colostate.edu   C\/C\/    ancient Alphaean proverb    C\/\nC\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/C\/\n \n\n\n","874":"From: jks2x@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU (Jason K. Schechner)\nSubject: Foot switches for sale\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 11\n\n\n\tI have 2 foot switches for sale.  They're great for guitar\namps, and keyboards.  Each is about 1\" in diameter with a 6' (or so)\ncable.  I'd like $15 for both, but make me an offer, who knows...\n\n-Jason\n-- \nSettle down, raise a family join the PTA, \nbuy some sensible shoes, and a Chevrolet\nAnd party 'till you're broke and they drag you away. It's ok.\n\t\t\t\t\tAl Yankovic\n","875":"From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew)\nSubject: Re: Small Astronaut (was: Budget Astronaut)\nOrganization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1pfkf5$7ab@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n\n>Only one problem with sending a corp of Small astronauts.\n>THey may want to start a galactic empire:-)   Napoleon\n>complex you know.  Genghis Khan was a little guy too.  I'd bet\n>Julius caesar never broke 5'1\".\n\nI think you would lose your money. Julius was actually rather tall\nfor a Roman. He did go on record as favouring small soldiers though.\nThought they were tougher and had more guts. He was probably right\nif you think about it. As for Napoleon remember that the French\navergae was just about 5 feet and that height is relative! Did he\nreally have a complex?\n\nObSpace :  We have all seen the burning candle from High School that goes\nout and relights. If there is a large hot body placed in space but in an\natmosphere, exactly how does it heat the surroundings? Diffusion only?\n\nJoseph Askew\n\n-- \nJoseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,\njaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.\nDisclaimer? Sue, see if I care  North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,\nActually, I rather like Brenda  Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.\n","876":"From: eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot)\nSubject: Re: station wagons (was  Open letter to NISSAN\nOrganization: clearer than blir\nLines: 30\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lanmola.engr.washington.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.052013.23517@leland.Stanford.EDU> tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen) writes:\n>>but you'll\n>>never catch me dead in a minivan!\n\n>even a minivan based on viper running gear?\n\nhmmmm.. not sure, since no such beast exists.. i can tell you another\nthough..  you won't catch me dead in a GMC Syclone or Typhoon either,\n1000 bhp or not.. not even the fact that Clint Eastwood has one.  just\nmy taste,  no rational reasons for it.\n\n>-teddy\n>p.s. i think the audi S4 gets a 4.2 liter V-8 next year.\n\nCAR just tested the S4 wagon with 5 banger and 6 speed manual.  Rave\nreview except for Servotronic..  Audi is trying to recoup the\ndevelopment costs for the V8, and since the V8 is not selling well,\nthey are sticking it into the 100 series cars.. Neat marketing trick,\neh?  yeah, a 100 V8-32v wouldn't be a bad idea as competition for the\nupcoming bimmer 530\/540i would it?  maybe they can use a 3.6 liter\nversion to avoid conflicts with the v8 model.. then strip off all the\nluxo-garbage.  let the S4 remain with the flared arches and fat tires\nto go fight with the M5.... maybe turn up the boost a wee bit to bump\nbhp up to say 450 or so.. :-) while keeping the 100 V8 with mercedes\n500E style subtlety.\n\nblah blah blah....\n\n\neliot\n","877":"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 108\n\nIn article <1qkon8$3re@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n\n[stuff about autobahn and safety of sho at speed deleted]\n>The Mustang is essentially the same deal as the SHO -- a big power\n\nThe Mustang is a much worse case of design irresponsibility than the\nSHO. \n>plant stuck in a mid-size sedan, with almost no other modifications.\n>I have real-life experience with the Mustang -- it handles like a\n>brick (except when you're invoking oversteer, of course, something I\n\nIts hard to predicatbaly drift a stock Mustang because\nof the suspension.\n\n>personally avoid doing on the highway) and stopping power is\n>inadequate even from 80mph.  Lots of accelleration -- but the rest of\n>the car is not up to par.\n\nYes. When i think Mustang, I think school-bus +  F16 motor. In\nmy mind the Mustang should be fitted with a speed limiter at 80-90\nor so. It just isn't safe, check out your local junkyard, Mustangs\noutnumber other cars by a proportion way in excess of sales in\njunkyards.\n\nI find it astonishing the CU or somesuchlike has not jumped on the\nMustang for poor brakes in relation to power. Ford should at least\nstandardize on the SVO rear brakes for all 5.0's.\n\n\n\n>\n>I picked the Porsche example because they are designed with speed in\n>mind.  It didn't have to be the 911 -- it could have been the much\n>cheaper 944 or one of several Mercedes or Audi models.  All of these\n>cars are fairly expensive -- but so are the parts that make them\n>drivable at high speed.  This should be elementary.\n>\n>There are a few things to keep in mind about Europe, since you brought\n>it up.  My Autobahn knowledge is admittedly second-hand, but I believe\n>the following to be true:\n>\n>1. Drivers are much better disciplined in Europe than they are here.\n\nTrue of Northern Europe, latin countries are something else.\n\n>2. The roads comprising the Autobahn are much better designed than\nKindof true. remember they were build by adolf in the '30's.\n\n>   they are here, and usually include animal fences.  This makes them\n>   far more predictable than most US highways.\n\nYes.\n\n>3. Not all of Europe is the Autobahn.  Most places in Europe have\n\n\"Autobahn\" is the german word for freeway. Other countries have\ndifferent names for loose equivalents; autostrada, autoroute, motorway\netc.\n\n>   speed limits that aren't out-of-line with what we used to have in\n>   the US -- if my friends weren't lying to me they're typically not\n>   much higher than 120km\/h.\n\nEurope did seem on the brink of a 130kmh limit. It hasn't passed as\nfar as I know. typical speeds in western europe are much higher than\nthe US. Law enforcement is negligible in my experience (comapred\nto the US) as there is no revenue enhancement motivation. The things\nyou really notice are the higher speed differentials, and the more\nprofessional attitude to driving. You just never see two cars\nrunning parallel at 55.1 mph oblivious to all around them.\n\n>\n>I strongly suspect you won't find a lot of Rabbit owners doing 120mph\n>(nearly 200km\/h) on the Autobahn, but I could be wrong.  Some people\n\nYou're wrong. GTI's  go this fast. Just kind of noisy, not the ideal\n\nautobahn car. A lot of times you see cars being driven with the drivers\nfoot on the floor. How do I know? - when you're not making any ground\non the identical car in front of you!\n\n>have no respect for their own lives.\n\nIf something happens at 130-150 you're dead, but the same goes for much\nover 35. Driving at high speed forces you to concentrate. I feel much\nsafer driving 130+ on the autobahn than 60-80 in typical US traffic\nbecause most people seem to be awake. I've never seen any driver reading\na book on an autobahn, I see it all too often in the US.\n\nCraig\n\nIt just doesn't *seem* fast after 30 minutes or so of aclimation. everybody\ndrives that fast, no big deal. \n\nCraig\n>\n>>>You certainly haven't convinced me.\n>\n>>\tOf course not.  \"Speeding-is-bad.  Speeding-is-illegal. \n>>I-will-not-speed.  I-love-Big-Brother.\"  You had your mind made up\n>>already.\n>\n>If you think so you sure don't pay attention to my postings.\n>\n>jim frost\n>jimf@centerline.com\n\n\n","878":"From: amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi)\nSubject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!\nNntp-Posting-Host: tbilisi.src.honeywell.com\nOrganization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <C5HuBA.CJo@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:\n>amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:\n>\n>>You know when Israelis F16 (thanks to General Dynamics) fly high in the sky\n>>and bomb the hell out of some village in Lebanon, where civilians including\n>>babies and eldery getting killed, is that plain murder or what?\n>\n>If you Arabs wouldn't position guerilla bases in refugee camps, artillery \n>batteries atop apartment buildings, and munitions dumps in hospitals, maybe\n>civilians wouldn't get killed.  Kinda like Saddam Hussein putting civilians\n>in a military bunker.  \n>\n>Ed.\n\nWho is the you Arabs here.  Since you are replying to my article you\nare assuming that I am an Arab.  Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you\nare brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said.  The\nbombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is\nvery consistent with its policy of intimidation.  That is the only\npolicy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in\nthe middle east!\n\nI was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering.\nLike I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet\nI would defende my homeland against any invader by any means.\n","879":"From: cs1442au@news.uta.edu (cs1442au)\nSubject: Reboot problem\nOrganization: University of Texas at Arlington\nLines: 38\n\nFrom x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU Tue Apr 20 10:28:47 1993\nReceived: from usma1.usma.edu by trotter.usma.edu (4.1\/SMI-4.1-eef)\n\tid AA01628; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:27:50 EDT\nReceived:  by usma1.usma.edu (5.51\/25-eef)\n\tid AA03219; Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:18 EDT\nMessage-Id: <9304201520.AA03219@usma1.usma.edu>\nDate: Tue, 20 Apr 93 11:20:17 EDT\nFrom: x51948b1@usma1.USMA.EDU (Peckham David CDT)\nTo: cs1442au@decster.uta.edu\nSubject: Problem.\nStatus: OR\n\n--------------------\n\nI am running a Unisys PW2 386SX20 with DOS 6.  My problem, even when I had DOS\n5.0, is that when I have EMM386 loaded I can't CTL-ALT-DEL.  If I do, the\ncomputer beeps a few times rapidly and hangs.  Then I have to use the obscure\nreset (requires a screwdriver or pencil) or the power switch to reboot.  Does\nanyone have a solution to this problem?\n\nE-mail me at x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu\n\nDave\n---------------------\n\nThanks,\n\ndave\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid S. Peckham                   |  Internet : x51948b1@usma1.usma.edu\nU.S. Military Academy              |\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-- \n Jason Brown\ncs1442au@decster.uta.edu\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFav player Ruben Sierra\n","880":"From: mpaul@unl.edu (marxhausen paul)\nSubject: Re: Whats wrong with my cordlessphone?\nOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln\t\nLines: 8\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu\n\nI've also found that the electronic starters on these \"instant-on\" \ncompact fluourescent lamp fixtures kick out interference that nukes\nmy cordless phone.  (I can hear it in my guitar amplifier, too...)\n--\npaul marxhausen .... ....... ............. ............ ............ .......... \n .. . .  . . . university of nebraska - lincoln .  . . .. . .  .. . . . . . . .\n .     .    .  .   .     .   .  .    .   .  .   .    .   .  grace .   .    .  . \n   .         .       .      .        .        .      .        .   happens .     \n","881":"From: jmk13@po.cwru.edu (Joseph M. Kasanic)\nSubject: Re: 14\" monitors\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.1pt3oe$li6\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Case School of Engineering\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b63545.student.cwru.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7E78A881501F839@b63545.student.cwru.edu>\nX-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 03:29:12 GMT\n\nIn article <1pco6eINN99i@corona.hsc.usc.edu> Daniel S. Chen,\ndschen@corona.hsc.usc.edu writes:\n>\tI'm interested in getting a 14\" color monitor for my new LCIII.\n>Unfortunately, I'm really quite confused with the Sony monitors.\n>Could someone please compare the Sony 1320, 1304 and the Apple 14\"? \n>\t\t\t\t\tThanks. Dan\n\nJust thought I would mention that Sony no longer manufactures the CPD-\n1304 because of several manufacturing flaws.  The new model is now the\n1430, which just like Apple's new Sony Trinitrom CLAIMS to be 14 inches.\nI'm not sure of the details on the defects, but I work at our schools\nbookstore\nand can tell you that nearly half of them were returned with some kind of \ndefect or another.\n\nJust my two cents worth.\n","882":"From: unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu (Jose Unpingco)\nSubject: FOR SALE: ULTRABOTS PC GAME\nKeywords: ULTRABOTS,video game, pc game\nLines: 6\n\nElectronics Art's Ultrabots game for sale with book and original\n3.5\" disks in the original box. \n\n\t- $22 or best offer.\n\ncontact:  unpingco@raman.ucsd.edu                    \n","883":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 54\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\n(reference line trimmed)\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n[...]\n\n>There is a good deal more confusion here.   You started off with the \n>assertion that there was some \"objective\" morality, and as you admit\n>here, you finished up with a recursive definition.   Murder is \n>\"objectively\" immoral, but eactly what is murder and what is not itself\n>requires an appeal to morality.\n\nYes.\n\n>Now you have switch targets a little, but only a little.   Now you are\n>asking what is the \"goal\"?   What do you mean by \"goal?\".   Are you\n>suggesting that there is some \"objective\" \"goal\" out there somewhere,\n>and we form our morals to achieve it?\n\nWell, for example, the goal of \"natural\" morality is the survival and\npropogation of the species.  Another example of a moral system is\npresented within the Declaration of Independence, which states that we\nshould be guaranteed life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  You see,\nto have a moral system, we must define the purpose of the system.  That is,\nwe shall be moral unto what end?\n\n>>Murder is certainly a violation of the golden rule.  And, I thought I had\n>>defined murder as an intentional killing of a non-murderer, against his will.\n>>And you responded to this by asking whether or not the execution of an\n>>innocent person under our system of capital punishment was a murder or not.\n>>I fail to see what this has to do with anything.  I never claimed that our\n>>system of morality was an objective one.\n>I thought that was your very first claim.   That there was\n>some kind of \"objective\" morality, and that an example of that was\n>that murder is wrong.   If you don't want to claim that any more,\n>that's fine.\n\nWell, murder violates the golen rule, which is certainly a pillar of most\nevery moral system.  However, I am not assuming that our current system\nand the manner of its implementation are objectively moral.  I think that\nit is a very good approximation, but we can't be perfect.\n\n>And by the way, you don't seem to understand the difference between\n>\"arbitrary\" and \"objective\".   If Keith Schneider \"defines\" murder\n>to be this that and the other, that's arbitrary.   Jon Livesey may\n>still say \"Well, according to my personal system of morality, all\n>killing of humans against their will is murder, and wrong, and what\n>the legal definition of murder may be in the USA, Kuweit, Saudi\n>Arabia, or the PRC may be matters not a whit to me\".\n\nWell, \"objective\" would assume a system based on clear and fundamental\nconcepts, while \"arbitary\" implies no clear line of reasoning.\n\nkeith\n","884":"From: sasst11+@pitt.edu (Scott A Snowiss)\nSubject: IMAGINE\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 16\n\nHello again netters,\n\tI finally received the information about Imagine for the PC.  They are presently shipping Version 2.0 of the software and will release Version 3.0 in the first quarter of 1993 (or so they say).  The upgrade from 2.0 to 3.0 is $100.00.  To purchase Imagine 2.0, it costs $495.00 or if you are upgrading from another eligible (call them for info) modeler, it is only $200.00 plus shipping & handling.   It requires a PC with 4 Megs a Math Coprocessor, and Dos 5.0 or up and a Microsoft Mouse and SVGA card.\n\tThanks for all your replies about the product.  I have received many contrasting replies, but once I scrounge the money together, I think I will take the plunge.  Thanks again.\n\tHere is the info for Impulse if you want to find out more or get the sheet they sent.\n\tImpulse Inc.\n\t8416 Xerxes Avenue North\n\tMinneapolis, MN 55444\n\t1-800-328-0184\n\nThanks again for all your replies.\nScott\n-- \nScott Snowiss\nsasst11+@.pitt.edu\n\n--Turn on...Jack in...Jack out...\n","885":"From: dpalmer@mcnc.org (W. Dev Palmer)\nSubject: Re: Wanted: A to D hardware for a PC\nArticle-I.D.: mcnc.1993Apr6.220327.4042\nOrganization: MCNC Center for Microelectronics, RTP, NC\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.053736.23113@doug.cae.wisc.edu> kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad) writes:\n>>In <3889@ncr-mpd.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM> Brad Wright writes:\n>>\n>>>\tIf you know much about PC's (IBM comp) you might try the joystick\n>>>port.  Though I haven't tried this myself, I've been told that the port\n>\n>I believe that the \"A-D converters\" found on a joystick port are really\n>timers that tick off how long it takes an R-C circuit (the R being your\n>paddle) to charge up to something like 1\/2 Vcc.  For games this works\n>pretty well, but you certainly wouldn't want to try to take lab\n>measurements off something as non-linear as that.\n\nThe best info I have seen so far is the article \"Joystick Metrics:\nMeasuring physical properties through the PC's joystick port\" by\nMichael Covington in the May 1985 issue of PC Tech Journal.  It talks\nabout how to read all kinds of things (voltage, current, resistance) in\nBASIC, and even includes code for a simple \"oscilloscope\" display.\n\nIt's possible to read the joystick port directly if you don't want to\nuse BASIC.  The detailed information for this is in the PC Technical\nReference under Options and Adapters.  You have to provide some\nmillisecond resolution timing functions, but that's a subject which has\nappeared many times in articles from Dr. Dobb's, Circuit Cellar Ink,\netc.  Look for the public domain ztimer package on wuarchive.\n\nGood Luck,\n\nDev Palmer\ndpalmer@mcnc.org\nMCNC Room 212\nP.O. Box 12889\nRTP, NC  27709-2889\n(919) 248-1837\n(919) 248-1455 FAX\n","886":"From: BOCHERC@hartwick.edu (Carol A. Bocher)\nSubject: Re:Major Views of the Trinity\nLines: 28\n\nAnn Jackson (ajackson@cs.ubc.ca) wrote on 5 May:\n\n>In article <May 2.09.50.06.1993.11776@geneva.rutgers.edu>\n>Jim Green writes:\n\n>>Can't someone describe someone's Trinity in simple declarative\n>>sentences with words that have common meaning?\n\n>The answer to this question appears to be \"no\".\n\nI would like to submit the following which helped me enormously.\nIf it has already been posted, I apologize.\n\nIt seems that during the Middle Ages, it was customary for pastors to \nexplain the Trinity to their parishoners by analogy to water.\nWater is water, but can exist in three forms--liquid, ice and vapor.\nThus it is possible for one essence to exist in three forms.\n\nAnd recently, the pastor of my church drew an analogy, which I\nalso found useful--A woman is often percieved by others in three\nways, depending on their relationship to her--a mother, a wife and\nan employee in a business.\n\nThus, it seems clear to me that the essence of God can subsist in\nthe Father, Son, and Holy Spirit or, depending on one's particular\nneed for Him.\n\nCarol Bocher\n","887":"From: webster@ucssun1.sdsu.EDU (paolini p)\nSubject: ftp:UNIX-dos-UNIX\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 13\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\nI'm an new to this.  Having found some files (public) to look into, I\nftp'ed them to a system I have access to.  I then used kermit to transmit\nthem via modem to my host computer, a PC-based file system.  I access\ninternet through modem access to a university mainframe.  From the PC\nfile server, I pull the files to a disk, and then pull them from disk\nto a SGI Indigo (the SGI is not networked yet).  When I try to uncompress\nand un-tar the files, they either come out as garbage or I get an error\nin the tar process about directories being invalid.\nWhat I'm wondering about is the transfer of UNIX files (compressed,\nbinary,ascii) about multiple platforms.  My guess is that it is the copy\nto a 'dos' disk that is screwing things up.  Any help is appreciated.\nbob\n","888":"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)\nSubject: Re: White House Public Encryption Management Fact Sheet\nArticle-I.D.: rwing.2087\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Totally Unorganized\nLines: 52\n\nIn article <19APR199313020883@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov> paul@charon.gsfc.nasa.gov (Paul Olson) writes:\n>In article <1qnav4$r3l@transfer.stratus.com>, cme@ellisun.sw.stratus.com (Carl Ellison) writes...\n>>In article <C5LGAz.250@dove.nist.gov> clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes:\n>> \n>>>Further, the Attorney General\n>>\n> [ ... good post describing what is in store for us deleted ... ]\n>\n>It's also interesting to note that two months ago Rush Limbaugh said that\n>Clinton would have the \"plumbers\" out in force shortly.  Clinton and his\n>henchmen firmly believe in strong ubiquitous government control.  Anytime a\n>leader believes in that, the leader will use every means possible to retain\n>that control and take more.\n>\n>WE have to take OUR government back.  Otherwise we will end up living in the\n>equivalent of a high-tech third world dictatorship.  We have to take\n>responsibility for ourselves, our personal welfare, and our actions.\n\nI totally agree.  But how do you propose we take government back?  They\nobviously don't listen to the people or want the people to know who is\nresponsibile for what (a person telnetted the site of the Clipper chip\nrelease, to see what the entity 'clipper' was, and got a few lists.\nBUt when another person tried a bit later, the commands were disabled)\nDoes not sound like an Administration that wants to have any accountability\nor information they don't control given to the people.  The secret\ndevelopment and implimentation of the Clipper Chip decision further\nbacks that up.  You can bet unaurhorized encryption methods and software\nwill be considered 'terrorist tools' and also subject to civil forfeiture,\nalong with the systems that are running it.  YOU WATCH, SEE IF I AM WRONG.\n\nThe government is not going to be very cooperative about the people taking\nit back.  And they have all the resources, unlimited access to the media\nfor propeganda, and almost all the guns (soon to be ALL the guns if\nClinton's agenda succeeds)...   Those that do not play ball?  Waco\nmight be a good example of what to expect...  The warrant (just released)\nstated the reason for the raid was the BDs spent a very large sum\nfor weapons, over an undetermined amount of time.  I don't recall\nspending a lot of money on guns, etc being illegal ... yet, that is.\n\nClinton might go down in history as the worst thing to ever happen to\nthe US of A. ... Now to be known as the 'Peoples Socalist Democratic\nRepublic of America'  (PSDRA).\n\nBig Brother is LISTENING!!!\n\nHail Big Brother... (and Sister...?)  only ten years late!!!\n\n-- \npat@rwing.uucp      [Without prejudice UCC 1-207]     (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA\n         If all else fails, try:       ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat\nWISDOM: \"Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,\n         and I am not sure about the former.\"              - Albert Einstien\n","889":"From: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry)\nSubject: Re: Help\nReply-To: Rick_Granberry@pts.mot.com (Rick Granberry)\nOrganization: Motorola Paging and Telepoint Systems Group\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu>, \nlmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:\n> Hi everyone, \n> \t   I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem.  I \n> know that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our \n> deeds, yet hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, \n> saying' You fools, do you still think that just believing is enough?' \n> \n> Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by \n> themselves and not by God, according to Romans that person is still \n> saved by there faith.\n\nmy $.02 - Yes and No.  I do not believe the above scenario is not possible.  \nEither they are believing and living (in at least some part) led by God, else \nthey are not.  Believing (intellectually, but waiting(?)) is not enough.\n   Especially important to remember is that no one can judge whether you are \nso committed, nor can you judge someone else.  I guess the closest we can \ncome to know someone's situation is listening to their own statements.  This \ncan be fallible, as is our sense of communion one with another.\n\n> But then there is the bit which says that God \n> preferes someone who is cold to him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) \n> so a lukewarm Christian someone who knows and believes in God but doesn'\n> t make any attempt to live by the bible. \n\nRegarding this passage, we need to remember that this is a letter to a church \n(at Laodicea), people who are Of the Body of Christ. (Rev.3:14-16)  He talks \nabout their works.  A translation could say that he says their lack of \nconcern makes him sick (to the point of throwing up).\n\n> Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what \n> you do) as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the \n> teachings of James in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being '\n> spat-out'\n   Right, saving is by faith alone, except that faith does not come alone, if \nyou catch the two meanings.\n   I can offer the explanation that Jesus would that we were either \"on fire \nfor Him\" or so cold we knew we were not in His will and thus could be made \naware of our separation.  This is admonishment for His children, not eternal \ndamnation.\n\n\n\n| \"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.\" |\n| \"Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.\"  |\n| (proverbs 26:4&5)\n","890":"From: sti@cs.hut.fi (Sami-Jaakko Tikka)\nSubject: Re: finding out state of state keys (eg, CapsLock and NumLock)\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, CS lab\nLines: 23\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tahma.cs.hut.fi\n\nIn <9304211637.AA03386@blue.arbortext.com> rps@arbortext.COM (Ralph Seguin) writes:\n\n>My question is this:  Is there a means of determining what the state\n>of CapsLock and\/or NumLock is?\n\nI don't know any way except to see what modifiers are on in th\nKeypress event.  Of course if there is some reason why you need to\nalways know the state of modifiers even if your windows don't have the\nkeyborads focus you can always ask for KeyPress events from the root\nwindow.  Then you get all the KeyPresses and you always know what have\nbeen pressed.\n\n>An even more pointed question: Is there an easy means of making an X\n>keyboard act like a PC keyboard?  ie, CapsLock is active, and the user\n>presses shift-a, I'd like to get a lowercase 'a' instead of 'A'.\n\nI think this is just a question of how to implement XLookupString.\nYou can always write another function that interprets the KeyPresses\nas you like.  You can look at the implementation of XLookupString from\nthe Xlib sources and then modify it a little bit.\n-- \n        Sami.Tikka@hut.fi | \/G=Sami\/S=Tikka\/O=hut\/ADMD=fumail\/C=fi\/\n                           \"Live Long and Prosper!\"\n","891":"From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser)\nSubject: Re: God-shaped hole (was Re: \"Accepting Jeesus in your heart...\")\nOrganization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.\nLines: 14\n\n[Several people were involved in trying to figure out who first used\nthe phrase \"God-shaped hole\".  --clh]\n\n\"There is a God shaped vacuum in all of us\" (or something to that effect) is\ngenerally attributed to Blaise Pascal.\nWhat I want to know is how can you have a God shaped vacuum inside of you if\nGod is in fact infinite (or omnipresent)?\n\n=========================================================================\n||     Name: Andrew James Fraser  E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk       ||\n||     ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow.\t\t\t       ||\n||     Standard disclaimers...                                         ||\n\n[Don't you think you're being a tad too literal with this metaphor?  --clh]\n","892":"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru)\nSubject: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 35\n\n\n\nHossien Amehdi writes:\n\n>I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not\n>be necessary.  Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across\n>as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs.  \n\n>The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace\n>after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons:.\n\n> 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently\n >   most of their leaders are stupid, and\/or not independent, and\/or\n>    dictators.\n\n> 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising.\n\n\n\nIt's not relevant whether I agree with you or not, there is some reasonable\nthought in what you say here an I appreciate your point. However, I would make 2\nremarks: \n\n - you forgot about hate, and this is not only at government level.\n - It's not only 'arab' governments.\n\nNow, about taugh talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen \nto tough talk of american politicians ? or switch  the channel ? \nI would rather be 'intimidated' by some dummy 'talking tough' then by a \nbomb ready to blow under my seat in B747.\n\n\n\nDorin\n\n","893":"From: eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler)\nSubject: Re: Capital Gains tax increase \"loses\" money\nOrganization: NWO Steering Committee\nDistribution: na\nLines: 46\n\nIn <1993Apr15.045651.6892@midway.uchicago.edu>, thf2@midway.uchicago.edu sez:\n>In article <1993Apr14.135227.8579@desire.wright.edu> demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:\n>>\n>>\tNo, I'm saying any long term investor (the ones likely to have large\n>>capital gains) would be foolish to sell in order to avoid a tax hike that a)\n>>might disappear in any given year and b) be overcome in a year or two by\n>>accumlated gains.\n>\n>To which my response is--so what?  Not all people who pay capital gains\n>taxes are long term investors.  More than enough of them aren't for there\n>to be huge blip whenever capital gains taxes get raised.\n>   I never said that *everyone* would find this advantageous.  I said that\n>more than enough would for the result to be readily noticeable and distort\n>\"trends\".\n\nEven if Brett's eventual-return figures were correct -- and they\nclearly weren't -- he'd still be wrong about the cause for the '86\nblip because he fails to consider 2 basic factors:\n\n1) As Ted notes, not everyone is a long-term investor.  One might find\noneself, as I did in late 1986, anticipating expenses in the near term\nthat require selling off holdings.  Given the choice between waiting a\nfew weeks (and taking an extra tax hit) or selling in December with\npreferential tax treatment, only a fool would choose the former.\n\n2) The fact that Brett can now construct _post hoc_ calculations of\nwhat would have been more beneficial to investors is in many respects\nbeside the point.  There was plenty of _Money_-style advice given to\nunsophisticated investors in late 1986 to \"sell now and save on\ntaxes.\"  In case anyone missed it, there was no shortage of similar\nadvice late last year (in the NYTimes, e.g.), even though that advice\nwas based not on the foregone conclusion of enacted law (as in 1986),\nbut merely on the *assumption* that Clinton would raise tax rates\n(without capping CG taxes, contrary to the current proposal).\n\nIt's nice to think that investors always behave in their optimal\neconomic interest.  Like assuming weightless ropes and frictionless\npulleys, though, this sort of thinking often fails to describe\naccurately what happens in the real world.\n\n\n-- \nMORAL: Always Choose the Right Sort of Parents \n       Before You Start in to be Rough\n                                        - George Ade\n\tMark Eckenwiler    eck@panix.com    ...!cmcl2!panix!eck\n","894":"From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nOrganization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.164517.20876@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n>\n>Esin Terzioglu]  Your ignorance is obvious from your posting. \n>Esin Terzioglu]  1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish\/Greek \n>\t\t    inhabitants (NOT a Greek island like your ignorant \n>\t\t\tposting claims)\n>Esin Terzioglu]  2) The name should be Cyprus (in English)\n>Esin Terzioglu]  next time read and learn before you post. \n>\n>\n>\n>Aside from spelling , why is that you TURKS DO NOT want to admit your\n>past MISTAKES ? You know TURKISH INVASION of CYPRUS was a mistake and too\n>bad that U.N. DID NOT do anything about it. You may ask : mistake ?\n>Yes, I would say. Why is that the GREEKS DID NOT INVADE CYPRUS ?\n>\n\nThe Greeks did try to invade Cyprus just before the Turkish intervention: They\nfailed. Just for your info. \n\nEsin. \n","895":"From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)\nSubject: header paint\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: relva.rchland.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Rochester\nLines: 8\n\nit seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers.\nthe metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and\nrepaint the pipes black.  any recommendations for paint and application\nof said paint?\n\nthanks!\n\naxel\n","896":"From: toml@boulder.parcplace.com (Tom LaStrange)\nSubject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window\nOrganization: ParcPlace Boulder\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <C5r25y.HFz@cs.columbia.edu> ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:\n|>\n|>\tHi. I'm trying to figure out how to make a window manager\n|>place the window where the create window command tells it,\n|>regardless of what it may think is right. (my application has\n|>reason to know better)\n|>\n|>\tI don't want to set the override-redirect because I do\n|>want all the embellishments that the window manager gives, I just\n|>want the wm to accept my choice of location.\n\n\nWhat \"it may think is right\" may be exactly what the user wants.\nAssuming that your application \"has reason to know better\" is, IMHO,\nanti-social.  If I start your application with a -geometry option are\nyou going to ignore that as well?\n\nThere's really no way to force a window manager to do much of anything\nif it's managing your window.  You can ask, you can hint, but there's\nno guarantee that you're going to get what you want.\n\n--\nTom LaStrange        toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM\n","897":"From: plevine@orca.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Levine)\nSubject: BIKE FOR SALE ... 1986 Harley FLHTC\nOrganization: URI Department of Electrical Engineering\nLines: 12\n\n\n\nFor sale 1986 Harley FLHTC Liberty Edition.\nGood condition. Many extras. Asking $7500.\nLocated in Rhode Island.\n\n      Peter Levine\tplevine@ele.uri.edu\n\n\n\n\n\n","898":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people. Denying the obvious?\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 109\n\nIn article <1993Apr23.122146.23931@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> gassan@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu writes:\n\n>After having read this group for some time, I am appalled at its lack of\n>scholarship, its fuzzy-thinking, reliance on obsessed and obnoxious posters\n\nWell, these are Armenian and Jewish scholars, not me. Denying the obvious?\n\n\nSource: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.\nUniversity of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13.\n\n\"The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the\n area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population\n of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were\n Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem.\n Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third\n of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the \n Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan\n uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians\n as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897,\n however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the\n guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000\n inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character \n notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian \n Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the \n southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia.\" \n (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of \n Transcaucasia).\n\nIn 1920, '0' percent Turk. \n\n\"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as \n ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work \n of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. \n Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts \n into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable \n and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets \n completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They \n found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border \n into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole \n length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to \n Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain \n plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of \n Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for \n howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the \n scattered bones of the dead.\" \n\n                             Ohanus Appressian\n                            \"Men Are Like That\"\n                                   p. 202.\n\n\n \"In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.\n  It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us\n  create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial\n  life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us\n  falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats \n  in this alien land.\"\n            (Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - \"Preserving the Armenian purity\") \n\n\n<1993Apr24.042427.29323@walter.bellcore.com>\nddc@nyquist.bellcore.com (Daniel Dusan Chukurov 21324)\n\n>           The world's inaction when the conflict began over the mostly\n>Christian Armenian enclave inside Muslim Azerbaijan might have\n>encouraged the conflict in Bosnia-Herzegovina, said the\n>Moscow-based activist, who's part Armenian.\n\nNo kidding. The Armenians tore apart the Ottoman Empire's eastern provinces,\nmassacred 2.5 million defenseless Turkish women, children and elderly \npeople, burned thousands of Turkish and Kurdish villages and exterminated \nthe entire Turkish population of the Armenian dictatorship between \n1914-1920. Such outrageous sleight of hand that is still employed today \nin Armenia brings a depth and verification to the Turkish genocide \nthat is hard to match. A hundred years ago Armenians again thought \nthey could get whatever they wanted through sheer terror like the \nRussian anarchists that they accepted as role models. Several Armenian \nterror groups like ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle \nresorted to the same tactics in the 1980s, butchering scores of innocent\nTurks and their families in the United States and Europe. It seems that \nthey are doing it again, at a different scale, in fascist x-Soviet Armenia \ntoday.\n\nA merciless massacre of the civilian population of the small Azeri \ntown of Khojali (Pop. 6000) in Karabagh, Azerbaijan, is reported to \nhave taken place on the night of Feb. 28 under a coordinated military \noperation of the 366th mechanized division of the CIS army and the \nArmenian insurgents. Close to 1000 people are reported to have been \nmassacred. Elderly and children were not spared. Many were badly beaten \nand shot at close range. A sense of rage and helplessness has overwhelmed \nthe Azeri population in face of the well armed and equipped Armenian \ninsurgency. The neighboring Azeri city of Aghdam outside of the\nKarabagh region has come under heavy Armenian artillery shelling. City \nhospital was hit and two pregnant women as well as a new born infant \nwere killed. Azerbaijan is appealing to the international community to \ncondemn such barbaric and ruthless attacks on its population and its \nsovereignty.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","899":"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.192207.413@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:\n\n>I think that you should try to find more sources of news about what goes on\n>in Lebanon and try to see through the propaganda. \n\nThank you, Brad\/Ali, for warning us about the dangers of propaganda.\nIt's funny, though, coming from you.\n\n>There are no a priori\n>black and white hats but one sure wonders how the IDF can bombard villages in \n>retaliation to pin-point attacks on its soldiers in Lebanon and then call the\n>Lebanese terrorists.\n\nWho is it that executes these \"pin-point attacks\" on Israelis?  The\nguys in the white hats or the ones in the black hats?  Neither?  You\nmean that they are just civilians, farmers, teachers, school children?\nWell, maybe they ARE terrorists, after all?  And maybe that\n\"propaganda\" was correct, too?  Hmm?\n\n-- \nJake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com           Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions.    standard of a failed President.\n","900":"From: stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger)\nSubject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] \"Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts\"\nArticle-I.D.: cbnewsl.1993Apr6.041343.24997\nOrganization: Summit NJ\nLines: 39\n\nstudent writes:\n\n>Somewhere, roger colin shouse writes about \"radical gay dogma.\"  Somewhere else\n>he claims not to claim to have a claim to knowing those he doesn't know.\n>There are at least twenty instances of this kind of muddleheaded fourth-\n>reich-sophistique shit in his postings.  Maybe more.  In fact I'm not sure\n>the instances could be counted, because they reproduce like a virus the more\n>you consider his words.\n>\tMy question is this: what is the best response to weasels like\n>shouse and Stan Krieger?  Possibilities:\n>\t(a) study them dispassionately and figure out how they work, then\n>(1) remember what you've learned so as to combat them when they or their clones\n>get into office\n>(2) contribute your insights to your favorite abnormal psych ward\n>\t(b) learn to overcome your repugnance for serial murder\n\nThis posting is totally uncalled for in rec.scouting.\n\nThe point has been raised and has been answered.  Roger and I have\nclearly stated our support of the BSA position on the issue;\nspecifically, that homosexual behavior constitutes a violation of\nthe Scout Oath (specifically, the promise to live \"morally straight\").\n\nThere is really nothing else to discuss.  Trying to cloud the issue\nwith comparisons to Blacks or other minorities is also meaningless\nbecause it's like comparing apples to oranges (i.e., people can't\ncontrol their race but they can control their behavior).\n\nWhat else is there to possibly discuss on rec.scouting on this issue?\nNobody, including BSA, is denying anybody the right to live and\/or\nworship as they please or don't please,  but it doesn't mean that BSA\nis the big bad wolf for adhering to the recognized, positive, religious\nand moral standards on which our society has been established and on\nwhich it should continue to be based.\n-- \nStan Krieger                 All opinions, advice, or suggestions, even\nUNIX System Laboratories     if related to my employment, are my own.\nSummit, NJ\nsmk@usl.com\n","901":"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nLines: 29\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <1pigidINNsot@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n\n>mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n>>As for rape, surely there the burden of guilt is solely on the rapist?\n>\n>Not so.  If you are thrown into a cage with a tiger and get mauled, do you\n>blame the tiger?\n\n\tA human has greater control over his\/her actions, than a \npredominately instictive tiger.\n\n\tA proper analogy would be:\n\n\tIf you are thrown into a cage with a person and get mauled, do you \nblame that person?\n\n\tYes. [ providing that that person was in a responsible frame of \nmind, eg not clinicaly insane, on PCB's, etc. ]\n\n---\n\n        \"One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that \n        say \"Mom\", because of the love of their mom.  It makes for more \n        virile men.\"\n\n        Bobby Mozumder  ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu )\n        April 4, 1993\n\n        The one TRUE Muslim left in the world. \n","902":"From: thouchin@cs.umr.edu (T. J. Houchin)\nSubject: FOR SALE: Paradise SVGA accelerator card\nArticle-I.D.: umr.1993Apr17.080644.2922\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Missouri - Rolla\nLines: 13\nNntp-Posting-Host: mcs213c.cs.umr.edu\nOriginator: thouchin@mcs213c.cs.umr.edu\n\nFOR SALE:\n\tParadise SVGA accelerator card\n\t-800x600x32768\n\t-1240x1024x16\n\t-up to 15 times faster than vga\n\t-manual, drivers\n\t-used for 5 months, perfect condition\n\t-WD chipset\n\n  $120 OBO\n\nfor more info THOUCHIN@CS.UMR.EDU\nT.J. HOUCHIN\n","903":"From: mangoe@cs.umd.edu (Charley Wingate)\nSubject: Benediktine Metaphysics\nLines: 24\n\nBenedikt Rosenau writes, with great authority:\n\n>     IF IT IS CONTRADICTORY IT CANNOT EXIST.\n\n\"Contradictory\" is a property of language.  If I correct this to\n\n\n      THINGS DEFINED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST\n\nI will object to definitions as reality.  If you then amend it to\n\n      THINGS DESCRIBED BY CONTRADICTORY LANGUAGE DO NOT EXIST\n\nthen we've come to something which is plainly false.  Failures in\ndescription are merely failures in description.\n\n(I'm not an objectivist, remember.)\n\n\n-- \nC. Wingate        + \"The peace of God, it is no peace,\n                  +    but strife closed in the sod.\nmangoe@cs.umd.edu +  Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing:\ntove!mangoe       +    the marv'lous peace of God.\"\n","904":"From: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) \nSubject: RE: MILITECH\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569\nReply-To: erich.lim@yob.sccsi.com (Erich Lim) \nLines: 22\n\njchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen) writes:\n\n-> I saw an interesting product in NY Auto Show, and would like to hear\n-> your comments.\n->\n-> MILITECH(tm) is yet another oil additive. But the demonstration of\n-> this product really impressive, if it didn't cheat.\n\n  Well, I heard that Militech stuff works pretty good too.. One of my\nfriends who races in SCCA sanctioned events and all that stuff got the\nMilitech stuff early as a trial thing, and he put it in his CRX..  He\nsays it worked great, but I didn't ask him for any details.\n\n\n-Erich\nerich.lim@yob.sccsi.com\n                                                                       \n----\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Ye Olde Bailey BBS   713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis)     |\n|   Houston,Texas          yob.sccsi.com       Home of alt.cosuard       |\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n","905":"From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka)\nSubject: Re: Hell_2: Black Sabbath\nOrganization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.\nLines: 12\n\nIn <Apr.22.00.57.03.1993.2118@geneva.rutgers.edu> jprzybyl@skidmore.edu writes:\n\n> I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath?  He's a\n> MAJOR brother in Christ now.  He totally changed his life around, and\n\n      Why should he have been any different \"then\"? Ozzy Osbourne,\nex-singer and main character of the Black Sabbath of good ole days past,\nis and always was a devout catholic. Or so I've heard over on the\nalt.rock-n-roll.metal newsgroups, an' I figure those folks oughta know..\n\n-- \n  Disclaimer?   \"It's great to be young and insane!\"\n","906":"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)\nSubject: Re: Israel's Expansion\nOrganization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA\nLines: 39\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com\n\nIn article <18APR93.15729846.0076@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:\n|> Just a couple of questions for the pro-Israeli lobby out there:\n|> \n|> 1) Is Israel's occupation of Southern Lebanon temporary?  For Mr.\n|> Stein:  I am working on a proof for you that Israel is diverting\n|> water to the Jordan River (away from Lebanese territory).\n\nYes it is, as has been evidenced by the previous two stages\nof withdrawal from the area and by the reductions in troops.\nCurrently the troops are kept at a level consistent with light\nand armored patrols.  No permanent installations have been\nbuilt in the area, nor are any planned.\n\nAs to the prodigal \"water question\",  you can continue to waste\nyour time looking for non-existent proof, or you can accept the\ntestimony of people here, some Lebanese, who have acknowledged\nthat they know of no evidence for these allegations.\n\n|> 2) Is Israel's occupation of the West Bank, Gaza, and Golan\n|> temporary?  If so (for those of you who support it), why were so\n|> many settlers moved into the territories?  If it is not temporary,\n|> let's hear it.\n\nIt depends which of those territories you refer to.\nIn general, settlers were moved into the territories because\nat the time, in the context of the situations, it seemed the\nlogical move.  This is not to say that views don't change\nor that mistakes are not made.  Currently, I would say that\nthe only \"disputed territory\" that does not appear to be temporary\nis that of Eastern and northern Jerusalem.\n\n|> Steve\n|> \n\n-- \nShai Guday              | Stealth bombers,\nOS Software Engineer    |\nThinking Machines Corp. |\tthe winged ninjas of the skies.\nCambridge, MA           |\n","907":"From: euatno@eua.ericsson.se (Tomas Nopp)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nNntp-Posting-Host: euas27c42.eua.ericsson.se\nNntp-Posting-User: euatno\nOrganization: Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 78\n\nrauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard John Rauser) writes:\n\n\n\n>   Ten years ago, the number of Europeans in the NHL was roughly a quarter\n>of what it is now. Going into the 1992\/93 season, the numbers of Euros on\n>NHL teams have escalated to the following stats:\n\n>Canadians: 400\n>Americans: 100\n>Europeans: 100\n\n>   Please note that these numbers are rounded off, and taken from the top\n>25 players on each of the 24 teams. My source is the Vancouver Sun.\n\n>   Here's the point: there are far too many Europeans in the NHL. I am sick\n>of watching a game between an American and a Canadian team (let's say, the\n>Red Wings and the Canucks) and seeing names like \"Bure\" \"Konstantinov\" and\n>\"Borshevshky\". Is this North America or isn't it? Toronto, Detriot, Quebec,\n>and Edmonton are particularly annoying, but the numbers of Euros on other\n>teams is getting worse as well. \n\nIs the answer as simple as that you dislike russians???\n\n>    I live in Vancouver and if I hear one more word about \"Pavel Bure, the\n>Russian Rocket\" I will completely throw up. As it is now, every time I see\n>the Canucks play I keep hoping someone will cross-check Bure into the \n>plexiglass so hard they have to carry him out on a stretcher. (By the way, \n>I'm not a Canucks fan to begin with ;-). \n\n>Okay, the stretcher remark was a little carried away. But the point is that\n>I resent NHL owners drafting all these Europeans INSTEAD of Canadians (and\n>some Americans). It denies young Canadians the opportunity to play in THEIR\n>NORTH AMERICAN LEAGUE and instead gives it to Europeans, who aren't even\n>better hockey players. It's all hype. This \"European mystique\" is sickening,\n>but until NHL owners get over it, Canadian and American players will continue\n>to have to fight harder to get drafted into their own league.\n\n>    With the numbers of Euros in the NHL escalating, the problem is clearly\n>only getting worse.\n\nAnd where would canadian hockey be today without the europeans?? Dont say\nthat the european influence on the league has been all bad for the game.\nI mean, look at the way you play these days. Less fights and more hockey.\nImho, canadian hockey has had a positive curve of development since the\n70's when the game was more brute than beauty......\n\n>    I'm all for the creation of a European Hockey League, and let the Bures\n>and Selannes of the world play on their own continent.\n\nOh, look!! You don't like Finns either....\n\n>    I just don't want them on mine.\nToo bad almost all of you northamericans originates from europe.....\n\nHmmm... And what kind of a name is Rauser. Doesn't sound very \"canadian\" to\nme. ;-)\n\nPS. When analyzing teams like Italy, France and Great Britain you find that\na lot of their players are \"Canadians\" with double citizenship... DS\n> \n> \n>-- \n>Richard J. Rauser        \"You have no idea what you're doing.\"\n>rauser@sfu.ca            \"Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional\n>WNI                          outlaws - we do this for a living.\"\n>-----------------\n>\"Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.\" -Dr.Banzai\n         _________________       __________\n          \/         _  ,     \/l \/\n        _\/__()_\/))_(\/_\/)_  _\/ L\/_()_\/)_\/)_\n                                   \/  \/\n********************************************************************\n* Tomas Nopp                    Tel   : +46 8 727 33 24            *\n* Ellemtel Telecom Systems Labs Fax   : +46 8 647 80 59            *\n* Box 1505                      Email : Tomas.Nopp@eua.ericsson.se *\n* S-125 25 ALVSJO       <------ Snailmail                          *\n********************************************************************\n","908":"From: anthonyp@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Anthony Pun)\nSubject: Re: Why HP printers rated so low?\nArticle-I.D.: extro.anthonyp.735036446\nOrganization: Sydney University Computing Service, Sydney, NSW, Australia\nLines: 16\nNntp-Posting-Host: extro.ucc.su.oz.au\n\negaillou@etu.gel.ulaval.ca (Eric Gailloux) writes:\n\n>I'm about to purchase a laser printer for my Mac and I read the MacUser\n>Buying Guide special issue. All HP printers (except IIISI) are rated very low\n>compared to other noname bargain-priced printers. Why is that so? On the PC,\n>HP printers are THE standard amongst printer manufacturers.\n\n>PS: My personnal favorite -budgetwise- would be the IIIP.\n\nThe IIIP has just been superseded by the 4M, which is the one I am using at\nwork.  The quality of the print is execellent, beating 300 dpi printers hands\ndown.  In Australia the price of the 4M is about comparable with that of the\nIII-series, so HP are trying to get people to buy the new one !!!\n\nAnthony Pun\nanthonyp@extro.ucc.su.oz.au\n","909":"From: mike@avon.demon.co.uk (\"Mike H.\")\nSubject: Re: Another data hiding scheme... \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: boring\nReply-To: mike@avon.demon.co.uk\nX-Mailer: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.19)\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.225348.6511@colorado.edu> bear@tigger.cs.Colorado.EDU writes:\n\n>since the price of 1.44 M 3.5\" floppies were still high until the last\n>few years.  If you store \"old\" data, with old file times, in the public\n>filesystem the casual observer may miss the \"HD\"... especially if you \n>\"accidently\" cover it with something).\n>\n>-- \n>Bear Giles\n>bear@cs.colorado.edu\/fsl.noaa.gov\n>\n\nIt has been done already!\n\nIn the UK the Atari ST box was shipped with 360K disks in the first few\nyears and then later 720K disks. In order to make life less complicated,\nmany freebie disks on mags were double formatted like this. Side 0 of the\ndisk had 360K on it and could be read  by any ST. It also had a flip-side\nprogram. This would swap the sides around so that side 1 became side 0.\n\n-- \n\n                        Mike (mike@avon.demon.co.uk)\n","910":"From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)\nSubject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller?\nOrganization: Delco Electronics Corp.\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1r0vk6INNaft@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:\n>>I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that\n>>Nissan claims that the Altima is \"the best selling new car namelplate in\n>>the US\" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics\n>>dept. would have been proud of that sentence.\n>\n>Note that the Corolla\/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new \n>\"nameplates.\"  I guess Nissan doesn't even sell as many Altimas as\n>Toyota does Corollas, or there would be no \"nameplate\" qualifier.\n\nBut waiiiiiit, isn't Nissan officially registering the car as far as\ngovernment paperwork goes, Nissan Stanza Altima, to avoid costly and\nlengthy paperwork? I read this on the net a while ago, and someone\nactually may have said there's a little Stanza logo on the Altima\nsomewhere.\n\nYou *can* have it both ways :-)\n\nSpiros\n-- \nSpiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com\nSoftware Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815\nGM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      \"I post, therefore I ARMM\"\n","911":"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)\nSubject: Re: Goalie masks\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.164811.21637@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:\n\n\n>[...] and I'll give Fuhr's new one an honourable mention, although I haven't\n>seen it closely yet (it looked good from a distance!).  \n\nThis is the new Buffalo one, the second since he's been with the\nSabres?  I recall a price tag of over $700 just for the paint job on\nthat mask, and a total price of almost $1500.  Ouch.  \n\n\n\n\n-- \nValerie Hammerl\t\t\tBirtday -(n)- An event when friends get \nhammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu\ttogether, set your dessert on fire, then\nacscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu\tlaugh and sing while you frantically try \nv085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  to blow it out.  \n","912":"From: slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack)\nSubject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style \"Internal Passport\"\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard \/ Boise, Idaho\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\nLines: 24\n\n\nThe idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do \nthey plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it \nonly going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid?\n\nBTW, anybody planning on shaving Hillary's head to look for *666*? 8^)\n\nLater Dave,\nDays\n\n^^^^^^^^\nGoverment logic or just the Clintons?\n\n\n--\n    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n   |_\/_\/_\/  _\/       _\/      _\/_\/  _\/  _\/ | David H. Slack                  |\n   |_\/      _\/      _\/_\/    _\/     _\/ _\/  | Boise Surface Mount Center      |\n   |_\/_\/_\/  _\/     _\/  _\/   _\/     _\/_\/   | email: slack@hpdmd48.boi.hp.com |\n   |    _\/  _\/    _\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/     _\/ _\/  | telnet: 323 4019                |\n   |_\/_\/_\/  _\/_\/ _\/      _   _\/_\/  _\/  _\/ | phone: (208) 323 4019           |\n   |------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n   | Hewlett-Packard, 11213 Chinden Blvd., Boise Idaho 83714-1023, M\/S #625 |\n    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n","913":"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)\nSubject: Nostalgia\nOrganization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.\nLines: 1049\n\n\n  The recent rise of nostalgia in this group, combined with the\n  incredible level of utter bullshit, has prompted me to comb\n  through my archives and pull out some of \"The Best of Alt.Atheism\"\n  for your reading pleasure.  I'll post a couple of these a day\n  unless group concensus demands that I stop, or I run out of good\n  material.\n\n  I haven't been particularly careful in the past about saving\n  attributions.  I think the following comes from John A. Johnson,\n  but someone correct me if I'm wrong.  This is probably the longest\n  of my entire collection.\n\n________________________________________________________\n\n\n                                  So that the\n                                  Prophecy be\n                                   Fulfilled\n\n                                     * * *\n\n       In considering the Christian religion, and judging it\naccording to its claims, it is important to look at its claims at\nfulfilling earlier Jewish prophecy.  The scribe Matthew is perhaps\nthe most eager to draw out what he thinks are prophetic answers in\nthe career of Jesus of Nazareth.  As you will see, Matthew's main\nstrategy is to take various Old Testament passages, often not even\nabout the promised Messiah, and apply them to the circumstances in\nthe New Testament.  We must also bear in mind the question of the\nauthenticity of the accounts.  Since the gospels were written at\nleast 35 years after Jesus was executed, we do not know how much\nhappened exactly as stated.  But, for purposes of analysis, we\nwill take particular claims at face value.\n\nImmanuel:\n\n       We begin, of course, at the beginning.\n\n       (Mt 1.21-22):  \"[Mary] will bear a son, and you,\n       Joseph, will name him 'Jesus' (which means G'd is\n       salvation), for he will save his people from their\n       sins.\"  All this happened to fulfil what the lord had\n       spoken by a prophet:\n\n       [Isaiah 7.1-16]:  In the days of Ahaz (c. 750 BCE),\n       king of Judah, Rezin of Syria and Pekah of Israel made\n       war on Jerusalem (capitol of Judah), but could not\n       quite conquer it.  When the house of David (i.e. Ahaz\n       and his court in Judah) were told of this, ...its\n       heart and the heart of its people shook...   And, the\n       lord G'd said to Isaiah, \"go to meet with Ahaz...\" \n       ...And the lord spoke to Ahaz (through prophet Isaiah,\n       naturally) saying, \"Ask a sign of G'd your lord.  It\n       can be as deep as Sheol or as high as heaven.\"  But,\n       Ahaz said, \"I won't ask; I will not put the lord to a\n       test.\"  Then (Isaiah) said, \"Hear then, O house of\n       David.  Is it not enough for you to weary men, that\n       you must weary my god too?  Therefore, the lord\n       himself will give you a sign:  Behold, a young woman\n       is with child and will bear a son, and name him\n       \"Immanuel,\" which means, \"G'd is with us.\"   He will\n       eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse evil\n       and choose good.  For, before the child knows how to\n       refuse evil and choose good, the land of the two kings\n       you dread will have been deserted...\n\nMatthew homes in on just the sentence that is in italics. \nFurther, he the Hebrew word \"almah,\" (young woman), as\nspecifically, \"virgin.\"  But, this is not a prophecy about the\nMessiah.  It is not a prophecy about an event to happen 750 years\nlater.  It is not a prophecy about a virgin (bethulah) mother.  In\nshort, it not about Jesus.  Matthew has made use of a verse out of\ncontext, and tries to make it fit the specific case of Mary.  It\nshould be noted that if we want to read the prophecy in a general\nmanner, a very general one, it can be made to fit Mary.  Mary,\nvirgin or not, was indeed a young woman with child.  Of course,\nthe fit is shady and has problems.  Jesus, while thought of by\nlater Christians to be G'd walking among men, was never called by\nthe name, Immanuel.  If Christianity wished to claim this prophecy\nfor Jesus, it becomes at best a cut-and-paste prophecy... a second\nclass prophecy.   Not too convincing.\n\nEgypt:\n\n       After Jesus's birth in Bethlehem, Matthew tells about a\nquick (and elsewhere unmentioned) excursion to Egypt, as if he\nwishes to liken Jesus to Moses.  This was done to escape an\nalleged infanticidal rampage of the king, Herod.\n\n       [Mt 2.15]  ...and remained there until the death of\n       Herod.  This was to fulfil what the lord had spoken:\n       \"Out of Egypt I have cal-led my son.\"\n\n\nWhat the lord really said was this.\n\n       [Hosea 11.1]  When Israel was a child, I loved him. \n       And, out of Egypt I called my son.  The more I called\n       them (my people), the more they went from me; they\n       kept sacrificing to the Ba'als, and kept burning\n       incense to idols.\n\nMatthew conveniently omits the rest of Hosea's oracle.  But, it\nwas indeed Israel that, once called out of Egypt, wanted to\nreturn.  This is history.  Jesus is certainly not being spoken of\nhere.  And, if we are to draw some kind of parallel here, we wind\nup with a Jesus that flees and resists G'd.   Again, this prophecy\nis just not as convincing as Matthew probably had hoped.\n\nRachel Weeps:\n\n        While Jesus is off vacationing in Egypt, Matthew says that\nKing Herod sought to kill him, and thus ordered the executions of\nall young male children.  Matthew then writes,\n\n       [Mt 2.17-18]   By this, that which was spoken by the\n       prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled:\n\n       \"A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud\n       lamentation-- Rachel weeping for her children;\n       she refused to be consoled, because they were\n       no more.\"   \n\nThe reference is to a passage in Jeremiah 31.15, referring to the\ncarrying off of Israel into exile by Sargon (of Assyria) in 722\nBCE.  Rachel, the ancestor of the major tribes of Israel, Ephraim,\nand Manasseh, is said to weep for her descendants who are \"no\nmore.\"  It is metaphorical, of course, since Rachel lived and dies\nbefore the Hebrews were even in the Egyptian exile.\n       It is interesting to note that it was Leah, not Rachel, who\nwas the ancestor of the Judeans (the land where Jesus and\nBethlehem were).  If anyone should do weeping for her \"children,\"\nit is Leah.  The only connexion that Rachel has with Bethlehem is\nthat the legends have it that she was buried north of the city,\n\"on the way to Ephrath, (Bethlehem).\"\n       As for Herod and his infanticide, it is rather unlikely\nthat such an event actually occurred.  One never knows, but the\nevent is not mentioned or alluded to anywhere else in the Bible,\nnor is it mentioned in any of the secular records of the time. \nHerod was particularly unliked in his reign, and many far less\nevil deeds of Herod were carefully recorded.  This might be a\nprime example of how events were added to Jesus's life to enhance\nthe message of the church's gospel.\n       Because of the whole story's similarity to the tale of the\ninfant Moses in Egypt, it is highly likely that it is a device set\nup by Matthew to add prophetic, yet artificial, approval of Jesus.\nIt is not surprising that Matthew conveniently neglects to mention\nthe rest of the Jeremiah quote.   The \"children\" the prophet\nspeaks of are not dead, but exiled in the Assyrian Empire.  G'd\ncomforts the weeping Rachel, saying that the children will be\nreturned-- he will gather them back together.  Of course, this\nwould not suit Matthew's purpose, as the children he speaks of are\ndead for good.  Again, the \"prophecy\" Matthew sets up is not even\nthat, and to anyone who bothers to check it out, is not too\nconvincing.\n\nThe Nazarene:\n\n       We do not even have to go to the next chapter to find\nanother Matthean prophecy.  After leaving Egypt, Joseph & wife\ntake the infant Jesus to live in the city of Nazareth, \n\n       [Mt 2.23]  ...that what was spoken of by the prophets\n       might be fulfilled, \"He shall be called a Nazarene.\"\n\nFirst thing we notice is that Matthew does not mention the name of\nthe prophet(s) this time.  Second, we have to ask who \"He\" is. \nThere are no Messianic prophecies speaking of a Nazarene.  Worse,\nthere are no prophecies, period, mentioning a Nazarene.  Still\nworse, there are no Nazarenes mentioned in the Old Testament at\nall.  In the book of Judges, an angel tells Samson's mother that\nshe will,\n\n       [Judges 13.5]  \"...conceive and bear a son.  No razor\n       shall tough his head, for he will be a Nazirite to his\n       god from the day of his birth.  He will deliver Israel\n       from the hands of the Philistines.\"\n\nThis is of course not a prophecy of Jesus, or the messiah of G'd. \nBut, it is the best that can be found.  Obviously, Matthew has\nbegun to go overboard in cut-and-paste prophecies, in that he is\nsimple making them up now.\n\nBearing our\nDiseases:\n\n       Jesus next goes around healing people of physical illnesses\nand disabilities.\n\n       [Mt 8.17]   This was to fulfil what was spoken by the\n       prophet Isaiah, \"He took our infirmities and bore our\n       diseases.\"\n\nAs expected, the verse quoted in Isaiah is quoted out of context,\nand a few words are skewed to fit the Christian scheme.  We have,\n\n       [Is 53.4]  Surely he, [the suffering servant], has\n       borne our sickness, and carried our pains.\n\nFrom a reading of the surrounding passages in Isaiah, we know that\nthe prophet is speaking in present tense of the collective nation\nof Israel, Jehovah's chosen servant and people.  He speaks to the\nIsraelites suffering in exile, in the voice of the gentile nations\nthat look upon it.  This image is deeply ingrained in Jewish\nidentity --an image of a chastised, yet cherished, Israel as the\ninstrument of the nations' salvation by G'd.\n      The verses speak of Israel taking on the sicknesses which\nare the literal and metaphorical manifestations of guilt and\ndiscipline.  They do not speak of a \"servant\" going around and\nhealing people.  Notice that the servant in Isaiah takes on the\nsicknesses and pains of the nations (and individual Jews).  Jesus,\nas we all know, did not take the diseases onto himself.  The\nverses here in Isaiah are not a prophecy of something to come, but\nrather something that had already happened.  While it is believed\nthat Jesus took on the eternal punishment of hell, he did not bear\nthe illnesses he healed.  So, while someone might want to say\nthat, figuratively, Jesus reenacted the deeds of Israel in his\nspiritual atonement, he has to admit that Matthew's parallel\nmisses where he intended it to have its effect.\n\n\nSilent Messiah:\n\n      Upon healing multitudes of commoners, it is said that Jesus\nordered them to keep quiet, presumable so that he wouldn't arouse\nthe attention of the local rulers.\n\n       [Mt 12.15-21]  This was to fulfill what was spoken by\n       the prophet Isaiah.   \n\n       \"Behold my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved,\n       with whom my soul is pleased.  I will put my spirit on\n       him, and he will announce justice to the Gentiles.  He\n       will not wrangle or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear\n       his voice in the streets.  He will not break a bruised\n       reed or quench a smoldering wick until he brings\n       justice to victory, and the gentiles will hope in his\n       name.\"\n\nThe Isaiah passage quoted reads,\n\n       [Is 42.1-4]  Behold my servant whom I uphold, my\n       chosen, in whom my soul delights.  I have put my\n       spirit on him, and he will bring forth justice to the\n       nations.  We will not cry or lift up his voice, or\n       make it heard in the street.  He will not break a\n       bruised reed, or quench a smoldering wick.  He will\n       faithfully bring forth justice.  He will not fail\n       (burn dimly) or be discouraged (bruised) until he has\n       established justice in the earth.  And the coastlands\n       await his law.\n\nYou see, Matthew has conveniently left out part of the passage,\nbecause it does not suit the dealings of Jesus.  Christians could\nnever think of Jesus failing, never would the \"light\" of mankind\nburn dimly.  But, the servant nation of Israel will indeed come to\nan end when its job is done.  When the gentiles come to embrace\nG'd there will no longer be a chosen people, but rather all will\nbe the children of G'd.  Also, the ending phrase has been changed\nfrom the Judaic \"...the coastlands await his law.\" to the\nChristologic, \"the Gentiles will hope in his name.\"   While the\noriginal proclaims the Torah law of Jehovah, the other rewrites it\nto fit its strange doctrine of \"believing in the name.\"  If one\nhas any doubt the servant referred to is not Jesus, one has only\nto read the whole chapter, Isaiah 42, and hear about the beloved\nbut blind and imperfect servant, \"a people robbed and\nplundered...\"   So, we see that when Matthew's attempt at\n\"prophecy\" is examined, it crumbles.\n\nThree Days and\nThree Nights:\n\n      Now we come upon a prophecy supposedly uttered by the very\nmouth of the god Jesus himself.  He speaks of his crucifixion and\nresurrection.\n\n       [Mt 12.40]   For as Jonah was in the belly of the\n       whale for three days and three nights, so will the Son\n       of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and\n       three nights.\n\nBefore any further discussion can occur, it is necessary to know\nhow the Jews understood days.  As far as day names went, each was\n24 hours long, lasting from sunset 6pm to the following sunset\n6pm.  What was referred to as a \"day\" was the period of light from\n6am to the ending sunset at 6pm.  Thus, according to our time\nscale, a sabbath day began at 6pm Friday evening, and lasted until\n6pm saturday evening.  This is why the Jews celebrate their\nsabbath on the daylight portion of Saturdays, instead of Sundays. \n(It seems like a real miracle that Christians didn't forget that\nSaturday was indeed the seventh and last day of the week!)  Thus,\nwhen days and nights are referred to together, 12 hour daylight\nportions and 12 hour night periods are being spoken of.  Thus,\nJesus says that he will be in the grave, or in hell, or otherwise\nunresurrected for three days and three nights.\n\n      As the good book tells us, Jesus was crucified on the \"ninth\nhour,\" which is 3pm, Friday afternoon.  He then was put into the\ngrave sometime after that.  Then, Jesus left the grave, \"rose,\"\nbefore dawn of what we call Sunday (The dawn after the sabbath was\nover).  What this means is that Jesus was, using our time for\nclarity, in the grave from 6pm Friday night to some time before\n6am Sunday morning.  We could also add a little time before 6pm\nFriday, since the bible is not specific here.  What this means\nusing Jewish time is that he was in the grave for one day, two\nnights, and possibly a couple of hours of one day.  Certainly this\nis a problem for Jesus prediction.  There is absolutely no way we\nare even able to have his death involve three days and three\nnights --even using modern time measurements.   We then are led to\nsuspect that this error is another one of Matthew's little\nmistakes, and that the gospel writer put false words into his\ngod's mouth.   And no matter who made the prediction, it is more\nthan unconvincing... it is counter-convincing.\n\nHearing &\nUnderstanding:\n\n     Jesus tool on a habit of speaking to his vast audiences in\nparables-- stories in which a deeper meaning could be found, if\nyou were already one of the elect, those chosen to understand the\nmessage of Jesus.  He reasons that those who can understand the\nparables are the ones he wants.  If the people cannot understand\nthem, there is no need to bother with them, since they will not\naccept the \"plain\" message any better.  Matthew says,\n\n       [Mt 13.14-16]  With them [the audience] indeed in\n       fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says, \n\n       \"You will indeed hear but never understand; and you\n       will indeed see, but never perceive.  Because this\n       people's heart has grown dull, their ears are heavy of\n       hearing, and they have shut their eyes so the they\n       would not perceive with them, her with their ears, and\n       understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal\n       them.\"\n\nThe original Isaiah passages are part of his earlier works, his\ncall to the ministry.  This is in 740 BCE, when Israel is\nflourishing, right before it falls under the authority of Assyria. \nIsaiah sees the good times ending, and also a vision from G'd,\ncalling him to bring reform to Israel and Judah.\n\n       [Is 6.9-13]  And G'd said, \"Go, and say to this\n       people, `Hear and hear, but do not understand; see and\n       see, but do not perceive.'   Make the heart of this\n       people fat, make their ears heavy, and shut their\n       eyes, so they will not see with their eyes, or hear\n       with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and\n       turn and be healed.\"  Then Isaiah said, \"How long,\n       lord?\"  And he said, \"Until the cities lie waste\n       without inhabitant, and houses without men, and the\n       land is utterly desolate, and the G'ds take men far\n       away, and forsaken places are many in the land.  And\n       though a tenth will remain in it, it will be burned\n       again, like a terebinth or an oak whose stump still\n       stands when the tree is felled.\" The holy seed is its\n       stump.\n\nHere we see that it is really G'd who causes the people of Israel\nto stop listening to the prophet's warnings, but reaffirms the\npromise made to Solomon's (and David's) seed\/lineage.  If you read\nthe rest of Isaiah, you find that this is done to fulfil the plan\nof G'd to use Israel as a servant, a light to the nations.  (Look\nat Isaiah 42.18-25, 48.20, 49.3)\n     We see that Matthew has cut-and-pasted just a little portion\nof Isaiah's verse, to suit his own gospel needs.  More than that,\nhe has altered the words, to make it fit the people who didn't\nunderstand Jesus's stories.  And, as we see, Isaiah's verses are\nnot prophecies, but rather commands from G'd to him, in the\npresent.   Once again, Matthew's prophecy falls flat on its face. \n\n     Matthew tries again to make Jesus's parables look like they\nhave the prophetic approval.\n\n       [Mt 13.35]  ...he said nothing to them without a\n       parable.  This was to fulfil what was spoken of by the\n       prophet, \"I will open my mouth to them in parables.  I\n       will utter that which has been hidden since the\n       foundation of the world.\"\n\nMatthew really botches up here.  He attempts to quote not from a\nprophet, but from the Psalms.\n\n       [Ps 78.2-4]  I will open my mouth in parable.  I will\n       utter dark sayings of old, things that we all have\n       heard and known, things that our fathers have told us. \n       We will not hide them from their children, but tell to\n       the coming generation the glorious deeds of the\n       lord...\n\nAs was pointed out, the verses in the Psalms do not really come\nfrom a prophet.  You might also want to know that earlier copies\nof Matthew's gospel even inserted Isaiah's name as this prophet. \nApparently, later scribes caught the error and tried to cover some\nof it up.\n     Perhaps the most significant part of this is that, once\nagain, Matthew has altered the Old Testament Scriptures.  As Jesus\nhas said earlier, he speaks in parables so that some will not\nunderstand them.  The parables in the Psalms are not to be hidden. \nFurther, they speak of things \"known, that our fathers have told\nus.\"  Jesus deals with things \"hidden since the foundation of the\nworld.\"  Indeed Jesus dealt in a lot of secrecy and confusion. \nThis is in direct opposition to the parables in the Psalms.  No\nwonder Matthew had to rewrite them!   And still once again,\nMatthew's artificial prophecies fall flat on their face.  But,\nChristians rarely look at this.  Matthew's prophecies aren't the\nonly things about Christianity that are beginning to look bad.\n\n\nExcuses of\nLittle Faith:\n\n       In Mt. 17.14-21, we see that the disciples are able to go\naround casting out demons, except in one case.  Not knowing what\nepilepsy was, the people thought those with the disease were\npossesed with demons.  It is no wonder that the disciples were\nunable to \"dispossess\" the epileptic.  But, Jesus, perhaps no more\nenlightened than they, is reported to have rebuked them, saying\nthey didn't have enough faith.   This seems strange.  Why was this\ndemon special?  It seems that either a true believer has faith or\nhe does not.  Apparently, enough faith will allow someone to move\nmountains.  Of course, you will find no one, these days that can\nmove real mountains.  No one parts seas.  The only miracles the\nCharismatics can speak of are those rumoured to happen on trips to\nMexico or some faraway place.  Major miracles are making some old\nwoman's arthritis feel better on Sunday morning T.V.\n\n       And the gods, including Jesus, are always shrouded in\nancient lore and writings, protected from the skeptics in their\nsacred pasts.  They are either dead, sleeping, or hiding in\nheaven, with people rumouring about their imminent return and\ntheir great miracles of days long gone.  Yet, life goes on.  \n\n     Tales of mystics, stories of miracles-- all in a distant time\nor a distant place.  Gods used to reveal themselves to men in the\nold days, Jehovah too.  But, now they are silent.  All the\ntheologians give are various excuses as to why we don't get to see\nGod anymore.\n\n       We're too lazy; we're not zealous enough; we're\n       sinful; it's just his \"plan\"; we put too many of our\n       own demands on G'd's appearance; if we had the right\n       faith, if we  were willing to meet G'd on his terms...\n\n     Yet, even the most pious of men have not seen G'd.  You, dear\nreader, have not seen G'd.  Not literally, you know that to be\ntrue. (I know that's presumptuous and bold.  But, searching your\nheart, you know what I mean.)  All that we've seen religions do is\nmake people feel good and content about not seeing G'd.  They say\nour little faith does not merit us to see G'd.  Sometimes, they\nsay, \"See the love in these people you worship with... see the\nlives of people change... that is seeing G'd.\"   Thus people get\nlulled to sleep, satisfied with turning G'd into the everyday\nsights.   But, that is not seeing G'd as I am speaking of... it is\nnot seeing G'd the way people used to see.  \n      What we see in the world that is good, is the compassion of\nhuman hearts, the love given and taken by men and women, the\nforgiveness practised by Christian & Atheist alike, beauty created\nby the mind of man.  These are the things that are done; these are\nwhat we see.  But, it is said this is so only because everybody\nhas little faith.\n\f\nJesus Rides on\nan Ass:\n\n       Shortly after accepting the role of the Jewish messiah\nking, Jesus requests a donkey be brought in for him to ride into\nJerusalem.  \n\n       [Mt 21.5]  This took place to fulfil what was spoken\n       by the prophet, saying,\n\n       Tell the daughter of Zion, \"Behold, your king is\n       coming to you, humble, mounted on an ass, and on a\n       ass-colt.\"\n\nOf course, the passage quoted from Zechariah 9.9 reads a little\ndifferently.\n\n       Lo, your king comes to you; he is triumphant and\n       victorious, humble, and riding on an ass, on an ass-\n       colt... he will command peace to the nations.\n\nThere isn't all that much difference here, except that Zechariah\nonly involves one animal  --an ass-colt--  while Matthew reads the\npoetic wording slightly differently.  Thus, he has Jesus call for\nboth a colt and an adult ass.  From Matthew's version, we get a\ncomical picture of the divine Christ sweating it to straddle two\ndonkeys.  This could inevitably lead to a theological,\nproctological dilemma!   We find that in the account written\nearlier by St. Mark, only the colt was called for and brought to\nJesus.  This indeed fits the verses of Zechariah properly, and\nshows us that in Matthew attempt to use prophetic verses, he has\nbungled.  Now, excluding many respectable Christians I have met, I\nhave noticed that while Christ is thought to have ridden on asses,\nthe situation is often reversed nowadays...\n\n       Then, entering the Jerusalem temple, the priests were\nangered at people and youngsters calling Jesus the messiah.  But,\nJesus replied as we might expect Matthew to have done,\n\n       [Mt 21.16]  Haven't you read?  `Out of the mouth of\n       babes and sucklings thou has brought perfect praise.'\n\nIt is more likely that Matthew made this response up since Jesus\nwas never one to point out such little \"prophetic\" things AND\nsince, as we might expect, the quote is in error, which seems to\nfit Matthew's track record quite well.  We might ask Jesus or\nMatthew, \"Haven't you read?\" for the source reads,\n\n       [Psalms 8.1-2]  O YaHWeH our lord, how majestic is\n       your name in the whole world!   You, whose glory is\n       chanted above the heavens by babes and infants, you\n       have founded a bulwark against your foes to still the\n       enemy and the avenger.\n\nThe passages hardly need comment.  There is no \"perfect praise\"\nspoken of in the psalm, and what praise is there is given to G'd,\nnot his messiah king, and not Jesus.  As mentioned, it seems to be\njust one more case of Matthew's pen making up convenient prophetic\nscripture.\n\nYHVH said to \nmy lord...:\n\n      Jesus is said to have asked from whom the promised Jewish\nmessiah-king is to be descended.  The Jews agree-- it is king\nDavid.  But, then Jesus counters by quoting Psalms 110,\n\n       \"The LORD said to my Lord, sit at my right hand, until\n       I put your enemies under your feet.\"\n\nTaken at face value, Jesus is denying the necessity of Davidic\ndescent.  One assumes he is in opposition to their answer.  Of\ncourse, the Christian answer is that he agrees, but is trying to\nmake some hidden point, to reveal some mystery about the divine\nnature of the messiah-king.  It's tempting to believe this, if one\nis a Christian and not interested in matters of investigation. \nBut, there are problems.\n       In Jesus's time, the psalm was thought to be about the\nmessiah.  And, it is easy to see why David might refer to the\nmessiah as his superior.  We need only look at the scriptures\nabout the messiah to see that he is expected to be a great king,\nbringing the Jews to times even better than those under David's\nrule.  Of course, the Jews listening had no good answer, and the\npassage could indeed refer to a divine messiah, such as the\nChristians worship.  The problem lies in the meaning of this\npsalm, an error that apparently several Jews of Jesus's time had\nalso made.  One must remember that there were various factions\namong the Jews, often as a result of different expectations of the\nmessiah-king.  Jesus was apparently one of these adventists, like\nhis audience, who thought the messiah's advent was imminent, and\nwho interpreted Psalms 110, among others, as being messianic.\nWhat is the problem, then?  Psalm 110 literally reads,\n\n       YHVH's utterance to my lord:\n\t\"Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your\n       footstool.\"\n\n       YHVH sends forth your mighty scepter from Zion.  Rule\n       in the midst of your foes!  Your people will offer\n       themselves freely on the day you lead your host on the\n       holy mountains.  \n\n       \"You are a priest of the order of Melchizedek\n       forever.\"\n\nThe word \"lord\" is often mistakenly capitalised by Christian\nbibles to denote divinity in this lord.  But, in the Hebrew, the\nword is \"adoni,\" and no capitalisation exists.  Adoni simply means\n\"lord,\" a generic term as we would use it.  It is used often in\nthe scriptures to refer to kings and to G'd.  It is merely an\naddress of respect.  \n      There is nothing in the text itself to imply that the word\nrefers either to divinity or to the messiah-king.  That this is\nsupposed to be written by David is not certain.  The title of the\npsalm translates to either \"a psalm of David,\" or \"a psalm about\nDavid.\"  It seems fitting to assume it to be written by a court\npoet, about David's covenant and endorsement from G'd.  If the\npsalm had been written by David, it is unlikely that he would be\ntalking about the messiah.  The idea of a perfect king, descended\nfrom David, was not present in David's age.  We have extensive\ntales of David's doings and sayings-- none of which include any\npraises of a messiah.\n     Many of the psalms show evidence of being written long after\nDavid was dead, in times of the exile when G'd had put his show of\nfavour for David's kingdom on hold.  \n     The description in the psalm fit David very well.  David was\npromised by G'd a rise to power, victory over his enemies,\nsuccessful judgement among the nations he conquered.  He achieved\nthe priesthood common to Melchizedek in being a righteous king,\nenabled to bless the people.   It all fits.\n      We do not have to blame this problem on Matthew alone,\nthough.  Here, there is not artificial prophecy alluded to, though\nhis use of the scripture is rather questionable.  Still, this\nevent is common to the other gospels too.  So, we let Matthew off\na little more easily this time.  It is interesting to note,\nthough, how Matthew dresses up the event.  The earlier gospel of\nMark tells the tale with Jesus simply speaking to a crowd. \nMatthew has the Pharisees, who became the religious competition of\nan infant Christianity, be the target of Jesus's question.  As we\nmight expect, Matthew writes that the event ends up by\nembarrassing the Pharisees.  Such power is the pen.\n\nMoses & Jesus,\nHad it Together\nAll Along...:\n\n       We leave the gospel story of Matthew momentarily to see a\npseudo-prophecy in John's gospel.  The gospel story of John\ndeserves special treatment, because it seems to be so far removed\nfrom the real events of Jesus's career as told by even Matthew. \nBut, for the moment, we will just look at one verse.  The early\nchurch leaders founded a religion on the Jewish hopes of a messiah\nking, and on an artificial extension of the original promises made\nby G'd.  When constructing the history of Abraham, Moses wrote of\na promise of land and nationhood to the Jewish people.  While this\nwas accomplished eventually, under the rule of king David, the\nChristians who came along later decided that they would claim the\nfulfillment of the promise.  But, to do so, they expanded on the\npromise, preaching about a heavenly kingdom.\n\n       [John 8.56] (J.C. speaking) Your father, Abraham,\n       rejoiced to see My day.  He say it and was glad.\n\nIt would be nice to tie in approval for Jesus from Abraham, but,\nAbraham knew nothing of Jesus or a messiah, or anything Christian. \nI have tried, and failed to find any event in the Old Testament\nwhich corresponds to John's little prophecy.  It is par for the\ncourse to see St. John making up Old Testament backings, just like\nhis forerunner Matthew.  Many Christians know that their faith has\nmany of its foundations in such fraud, and it is surprising they\nstill cling to it.\n\nThe Potter's\nField:\n\n      We are told that Jesus was betrayed while in Jerusalem by\none of his followers, Judas Iscariot.   Matthew writes,\n\n       [Mt 27.5-10]  And throwing down the pieces of silver\n       in the temple, [Judas] departed... But, the chief\n       priests, taking the silver, said, \"It isn't lawful for\n       us to put it in the treasury, since it is blood\n       money.\"  So they... bought a potter's field with it to\n       bury strangers in... Then was fulfilled what was\n       spoken by the prophet Jeremiah,\n\n       \"And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price\n       of him on whom a price had been set by some of the\n       sons of Israel, and they gave them for the potter's\n       field, as the lord directed me.\"\n\nThis prophecy is an utterly gross bastardisation of Old Testament\nScripture.  First, Matthew has made a mistake regarding the name\nof the prophet.  It is Zechariah who utters the verses which\nMatthew makes use of.\n\n       [Zech. 11.12-13]  ...And they weighed out my wages,\n       thirty shekels of silver.  Then YHVH said to me, \"Cast\n       them to the treasury,\" --the lordly price at which I\n       was paid off by them.  So I took the thirty shekels of\n       silver and cast them into the treasury in the house of\n       YHVH.\n\nFirst of all, the verses of Zechariah do not deal with a betrayer\nof the messiah, or of G'd.  The deal with a shepherd, most likely\na priest, chosen to serve a function of presiding over the people\nshortly before G'd would send Judah and Israel into conflict with\none another.  The word, \"treasury,\" had been replaced by the King\nJames Scholars with \"to the potter,\" precisely because this made\nMatthew's quote fit better.  But, this is a blatant error.  The\ncorrect translation of the Hebrew is indeed \"treasury,\" which also\nmakes perfect sense in Zechariah's context, whereas \"potter's\nfield\" is totally unrelated.  Whether the mistranslation was\nintentional or not seems to be beyond speculation.  However, given\nMatthew's track record, one finds it hard to resist the notion of\nintentional dishonesty.\n      Of course, Matthew would have ample reason for altering the\ntext.  The thirty pieces of silver match Judas's situation, and if\nas most Christians seem to be, the reader is willing to disregard\nthe contextual incongruity, Matthew might have another prophecy to\ntoss around.  However, the correct translation of Zechariah\ndirectly contradicts the situation with Judas and the high\npriests.  The high priests would not put the money in the\ntreasury.  The worthless shepherd of Zechariah does exactly the\nopposite!  Of course, to the average Thursday-Night Bible student,\nthe \"prophecy\" as presented by Matthew would be taken at New\nTestament face value.  To those, Matthew's work is convincing\nenough.\n\nWine, Vinegar,\n& Casting Lots:\n\n      Then, Jesus is led away to be crucified.\n\n       [Mt 27.34-35]  ...they gave him vinegar to drink,\n       mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not\n       drink it.  And, when they had crucified him, they\n       divided his garments among them by casting lots: that\n       it might be fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet,\n\n       \"They parted my garments among them, and upon my\n       vesture did they cast lots.\"\n\nFirst of all, the vinegar offered to Jesus is actually common sour\nwine, of the type that Roman soldiers drank regularly.  We find\nthat right before Jesus dies, the soldiers themselves give him\nsome to drink --not polluted with gall.\n\n       [Jn 19.28-30]  Jesus... said, \"I thirst.\"  A bowl of\n       vinegar stood there, so they put a sponge full of the\n       vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth.  When he\n       had received the vinegar, he said, \"It is finished;\"\n\nBut, Matthew seems to be drawing on, not a passage from the\nprophets, but one from the Psalms.\n\n       [Ps 69.20-28]  I looked for pity, but there was none;\n       and for comforters, but I found none.  They gave me\n       poison for food (lit. they put gall in my meat), and\n       for my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink...  Add\n       to them punishment upon punishment, may they have no\n       acquittal from thee.  Let them be blotted out of the\n       Book of the Living.\n\nOf course, the sour wine offered to Jesus is done at his request\nof drink.  This does indeed seem to be a show of pity.  The psalm\nquoted is about David and his political and military enemies.  It\nis not about the messiah or Jesus.  It is then not surprising that\nwe run into further problem when we see that the \"Jesus\" in the\npsalm asks G'd for the damnation of the \"crucifiers,\" whereas the\nJesus of the gospels says,\n\n       [Lk 23.34]  Jesus said, \"Father, forgive them, the\n       don't know what they do!\"\n\nFurther, Matthew misses with his attempt to create prophecy by\nhaving gall (a bitter substance) put into Jesus's drink, not his\nmeat, as the psalm stipulates.\n\n       With the \"prophecy\" of the vinegar faulty, we naturally\nask, \"What of the casting of lots?\"  This brings up the 22nd\nPsalm, which deserves discussion all by itself.  Suffice it now to\nsay that the fact that Jesus's clothes were divided as told is no\ngreat thing.  It turns out that this happened often to any felon\nin those days.  As we will soon see, it is perhaps the least\nerroneous passage of the psalm when applied to Jesus.  It does\nindeed bring up the interesting question as to the quality of\nJesus's clothes.  For a man so removed from worldly possessions,\nhis ownership of clothes worthy of casting lots raises some\nsuspicions.\n\nThe 22nd Psalm:\n\n      This psalm is attributed to David, as a lament of his\ncondition under the attack of his enemies.  It becomes a song of\npraise to YHVH and of hope.  Taken out of context, parts of it\nseem to fit the plight of Jesus at the crucifixion quite well.  We\nwill examine the primary passages.\n\n       Verse 1-2:  My god, my god! why have you forsaken me?! \n       Why are you so far from helping me, far from the words\n       of my groaning?  Oh, my god, I cry by day, but you\n       don't answer, and by night, but find no rest.\n\nJesus is said to have cried the first sentence while on the cross. \nThis suggests that the whole psalm is really about Jesus, rather\nthan king David.  Of course, the rest of the first stanza does not\nfit as nicely to Jesus or his execution.  Jesus is not pictured as\ncomplaining about the whole ordeal, he is supposed to be like \"the\nlamb led mute before its shearers.\"  Indeed, Jesus doesn't do much\ngroaning, even when on the cross.  He certainly does not cry by\nboth day and night on the cross.\n\n       6-8:  But, I am a worm, and no man-- scorned by men... \n       All who see me mock at me.  They make faces and wag\n       their heads;  \"He committed his cause to YHVH.  So let\n       him deliver him... for he delights in him.\"\n\nThis seems to fit Jesus's execution pretty well, with the\nexception of the Holy messiah being called a worm.\n\n       12-13:  Many bulls encompass me... they open their\n       mouths widely at me like a ravening and roaring lion.\n\n       16-18:  Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of\n       evildoers encir-cle me, they have pierced my hands and\n       feet.  I can see all my bones... They divide my\n       garments among them, and cast lost for my raiment.\n\n       19-21:  But you, YHVH, be not far away!  ...Deliver my\n       soul from the sword, my life from the power of the\n       dog!  Save me from the mouth of the lion, and my\n       afflicted soul from the horns of the wild bull!\n\nIt would seem quite convincing, and I'm sure the early Christian\nfathers who wrote of this prophecy thought so too.  Unfortunately,\nthis prophecy has a fatal flaw.  The words \"have pierced\" really\ndo not exist in the psalm.  The correct Hebrew translation is,\n\n       16:  Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of\n       evildoers encircles me, like the lion, they are at my\n       hands and feet...\n\nIn Hebrew the phrase \"like the lion\" and a very rare verb form\nwhich can mean \"pierced\" differ by one phonetic character.  The\nword in the Hebrew text is literally, \"like the lion\" (ka'ari),\nwhich makes sense in the context, and even further fits the animal\nimagery employed by the psalm writer.  It is convenience that\nwould urge a Christian to change the word to \"ka'aru.\"   But, to\nadd the needed (yet artificial) weight to the \"prophecy\" this is\njust what the Christian translators have chosen to do.  While the\ncorrect translation does not eliminate the psalm from referring to\nJesus, its absence does not say much for the honesty of the\ntranslators.\n\n       Apart from the erroneous verse 16, the psalm does not lend\nitself to Jesus so easily.  Verse 20 speaks of the sufferer being\nsaved from a sword rather than a cross.  This naturally fits the\npsalm's true subject, king David.  As a side note, we now know\nthat crucifixions did not pierce the hands, the palms, but rather\nthe forearms.  This doesn't say much in favour of the traditional\nthought of a resurrected Jesus showing his disciples the scars on\nhis palms.  But then, facts aren't bound by our religious beliefs.\n\n      Matthew escapes culpability this time, as he does not\nattempt to draw many direct links between this psalm and his lord\nJesus.  But the psalm, like many others, was on the minds of all\nthe gospel writers when they compiled the stories and\ninterpretations of Jesus's life and death.  How much these\nscriptures may have contributed to what actually got written down\nis a question that has serious repercussions for Christian\ntheology.  It is easy to see, for those who are not faithful\nfundamentalists, how some of the events in the New Testament might\nhave been \"enhanced\" by scribes such as the eager Matthew.  But,\nit does less to speculate than to simply investigate scriptural\nmatters and prophetic claims.  So far, this has not said good\nthings for St. Matthew.\n\nThe reference to the piercing looks a lot like Jesus's\ncrucifixion.  John's gospel recount, written about 70 years after\nthe fact, tells us at Jesus's execution,\n\n       [Jn 19.34,37]  But one of the soldiers pierced his\n       side with a spear, and out came blood and water...\n       these things took place that Scripture be fulfilled...\n       \"The will look on him whom they've pierced.\"\n\nOf course, this is built on a passage taken blatantly out of\ncontext.   Prophet Zechariah tells us how much of the nation of\nIsrael will split off from Jerusalem and Judah and go to war with\nthem.\n\n       [Zc 12.7-10]  And YHVH will give victory to Judah...\n       And on that day, I will seek to destroy the nations\n       that come against Jerusalem (in Judah).  And I will\n       pour a spirit of compassion and supplication... on\n       Jerusalem so that when they look on him who they have\n       pierced, they will mourn, and weep bitterly over him\n       like you weep over a firstborn child.\n\nJohn's attempt to make up prophecy is perhaps weaker that\nMatthew's attempts.  Matthew, at least, usually excontexts more\nthan just one passage.  John's errors are grossly obvious and\nblatant here.  It does not speak well for any of the gospel\nwriters, as it helps to show how the prophetic aspects of their\nreligion were founded.\n\n\f\nReckoned with\nTransgressors:\n\n       After his arrest, Jesus is quickly executed for claiming\nthe Jewish kingship, messiahship.   According to one version of\nthe gospel tale, Jesus gets executed along with two thieves.\n\n       [Mk 15.27]  And with him they crucified two robbers,\n       one on his right, one on his left.  And so the\n       scripture was fulfilled which says,\n\n       \"He was reckoned with the transgressors.\"\n\nHere, Mark is trying to link Jesus to a passage in Isaiah 53,\nabout the servant nation of Israel.  The passage is not about the\nmessiah, for if one reads the whole chapter of Isaiah 53, and its\nsurrounding chapters, one sees that the servant is a nation.  The\nverses are also about what this servant has gone through in the\npast, not a prediction of what is to come, in any event.  The\nservant is thought of as a criminal.  This also happens to fit the\ndescription of Jesus.  Had the passage really been about the\nmessiah, it still is not at all clear why executing Jesus between\ntwo thieves would fulfill the \"prophecy\" in Isaiah.  Jesus would\nmore fittingly fulfill it with his whole ministry.  He was\nconsidered a blasphemer and troublemaker all throughout his\ncareer.   Locking onto a single event is a rather poor way to\nsteal prophecy, at least in this case, as we see that Mark could\nhave had made a better analogy with general comparisons.\n\n       Mark goes on to tell us how \"those who were crucified with\n[Jesus] also reviled him.\" [15.32]  This is to be expected from a\ncouple of robbers.  Of course in his later recount, St. Luke\ndecides to change some things.  Luke tells us,\n\n       [Lk 23.39-43]  And one of the criminals who was hanged\n       with him railed, \"Aren't you the messiah?! Save\n       yourself, and us!\"\n\nThis certainly fits with Mark's recount, which tells how the\npeople who crucified Jesus said, \"Save yourself!\" and that the\nrobbers did the same.  But then Luke goes on,\n\n       But the other [criminal] rebuked [the first] saying,\n       \"Don't you fear G'd, since you are under the same\n       sentence of condemnation?  And we, indeed justly so,\n       for we are receiving the due reward for our deeds. \n       But, this man has done nothing wrong. And he said,\n       \"Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom.\" \n       And Jesus answered, \"Verily I say to you, today you\n       will be with me in paradise.\"\n\nNow, this little dialogue seems highly contrived.  It stretches\nthe imagination a bit to see this picture of one ruffian rebuking\nhis fellow criminal with such eloquent speech.  We have a rather\nstrange picture of a criminal lamenting over the goodness of his\npunishment and the justness of his suffering.   Such a man,\napparently noble and of principle, doesn't seem likely to have\nbeen a robber.  We wonder at the amount of theatrics created by\nLuke.  Of course, Luke's recount also disagrees with Mark's.  \nLuke has only one criminal revile Jesus, not both.  It is easy\nenough to discount the discrepancy because the account was made\nup, but those who wish to believe it is all part of the error free\nwords of G'd do not have this avenue open.  This is yet another\nexample of a writer trying to take an Old Testament passage and\nexpand it and reinterpret it to suit his theology.  In this case,\nthe embroidery creates some embarrassing problems, as we have\nseen.\n\nThe End of the\nWorld--\n       Mt. 24:\n\n       Now comes perhaps one of the most extraordinary and\nembarrassing passages in the New Testament.  It is found in all\nthree of the synoptic gospel stories, and casts some of the most\nunfavourable doubt on the whole theory of Christianity.  Jesus\nmentions the destruction of the Jewish temples and buildings, and\nhis disciples ask him about this, and about the end of the world\nwhich he has been warning about.\n\n       The disciples: Tell us, when will this [the temple's\n       destruction] be, and what will be the sign of your\n       coming, and of the close of the age?\n\n       Jesus: Take care that no one leads you astray, for\n       many will come in my name, saying, \"I am the christ.\"  \n       ...you will hear of wars and rumours of wars... for\n       this must take place, but the end is not yet.   For,\n       nation will rise against nation... all this is but the\n       beginning of the birthpangs.\n             They will deliver you up... put you to death,\n       and false prophets will arise and lead many astray.\n       ...But he who endures to the end will be saved.  This\n       gospel will be preached throughout the whole world, a\n       testimony to the nations, and then the end will come.\n             So, when you see the desolation spoken of by the\n       prophet Daniel, ...let those who are in Judea flee to\n       the mountains.\n\n             Immediately after the tribulation of those days,\n       the sun will be darkened... the stars will fall from\n       heaven... then will appear the sign of the Son of Man\n       in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn,\n       and see the Son of Man coming... and he will send out\n       his angels... and gather his elect...\n             Learn the lesson of the fig tree: as soon as its\n       branch becomes tender and puts forth leaves, you know\n       that summer is near.  So also, when you see all these\n       things, you will know that He is near, at the very\n       gate.  Truly I say to you, this generation will not\n       pass away until all these things take place...\n             But, of the day and hour, no one knows; not the\n       angels, not the Son, but only the Father... Therefore,\n       you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming\n       at an hour you do not expect.\n\nFrom this, it is clear that Jesus thought the world would in\nwithin the lifetimes of at least some of his disciples.  He tells\nthem that although he doesn't know the exact day or hour, that it\nwill come, and thus they must be ready.  Theologians have wet\ntheir pants in panic to find some way out of this Holy Error. \nBut, unfortunately, Jesus made himself to explicit.  He told his\ndisciples that their generation would still be around at the End,\nand that they in particular should prepare for it, prepare to be\nswept away.\n      There have been some who resorted to removing the inerrant\nnature of the Bible, and said that the phrase, \"this generation\nshall not pass away...\" really means \"this race of people will not\npass away...\"  Of course, the word for generation is used many\ntimes to refer to exactly that, the generation of the disciples. \nIt is an interesting notion that when God decided to learn Greek,\nhe didn't learn it well enough to make himself clear.  But. it is\nquite obvious from the rest of the dialogue that the disciples (at\nleast some of them) are supposed to live to the End of the World. \nThe charge of mistranslation is completely blown away by looking\nat the Apostles' responses.  It becomes abundantly clear from\nRev. 22.7, 1 Peter 4.7, 1 John 2.18, and Rev. 22.20, that Jesus\nmeant exactly what he said.  The End was very near.\n\n       For 2,000 years, Christians have rationalised this 24th\nchapter of Matthew, or ignored its meaning altogether.  For 2,000\nyears, they have waited for their executed leader to come back,\nhearing of wars, and rumours of wars, sure that He is coming soon. \nSurely He must be.  All we must do is wait.  Can you imagine how\ntired He must be, sitting around up there, being holy, waiting for\njust the right moment to spring?\n\n\n       So, shortly after his crucifixion, Jesus of Nazareth,\n(Joshua-ben-Joseph), died.   It is said that after three days, or\nthree days and three nights, or three periods of time, or three\neternal seconds --or three of whatever they can decide makes for\nless trouble-- he was seen again, resurrected, glowing with divine\nradiance.  Then the Saviour decided it wasn't in the best\ninterests of his new religion to stick around, and therefore\ndisappeared from sight into heaven.  So the story goes, anyway. \nAs has been seen, there were many things attributed to Jesus when\npeople got around to writing the gospel stories down.  To them,\nJesus was the fulfiller of all prophecy and scripture.  We have\nseen, though, that this matter is quite shaky.  But, throughout\nChurch history, Christians have held fast to faith, in simple\nbelief.  What doctrinal objections could not be solved with\nargumentation or brute force, faith and forgetfulness kept away\nfrom question.  To question and investigate has never been the\neasiest way to treat matters.  Thus for 2,000 years, the\nprophecies cited in the New Testament have gone on largely\naccepted.  Things may well continue that way for some time. \nPausing a moment to consider the way the doctrines of Christianity\nhave been accepted and used (properly or improperly) to support\nwars and persecution, I suppose there is one prophecy of which\nChristianity can securely keep hold.\n\n       [Mt 10.34]  Jesus: \"Don't think that I have come to\n       bring peace on earth.  I haven't come to bring peace,\n       but rather a sword.\"\n\n\n\n","914":"From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:\n>In article <1r1j3n$4t@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>>In article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:\n>>\n>>> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.\n>>>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>>> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day  \n>>> in Texas. \n>>\n>>Do YOU eat all your food cold?\n>\n>Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves?  Very popular.\n>Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.\n\nEver hear about cutting off the electricity? That was done.\nHow effective is an electric stove then?\n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n","915":"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nDistribution: na\nLines: 25\n\nDave Ihnat (ignatz@chinet.chi.il.us) wrote:\n: In article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:\n: >\tNot to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this\n: >kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor\n: >will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt\n: >in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings.\n: \n: But, for all the wrongness of our attempt to correct it (VietNam, et. al.),\n: the domino theory wasn't disproved at all.\n\nIronically, the domino theory in fact *was* a reasonable metaphor for\nthe collapse of communism, from the liberalizations in Poland and\nHungary to the border crossings in the summer of '89 to the fall of\nthe Wall later that year....and then to the ultimate collapse of the\nUSSR.\n\n-Tim May\n-- \n..........................................................................\nTimothy C. May         | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,  \ntcmay@netcom.com       | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero\n408-688-5409           | knowledge, reputations, information markets, \nW.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA  | black markets, collapse of governments.\nHigher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.\n\n","916":"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr10.125109.25265@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes:\n\n>Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote:\n\n>>Could you please explain in what way the Qur'an in your eyes carries\n>>\"the excess baggage of another era\"? The Qur'an in my opinion carries\n>>no such baggage. \n\n>How about trying to run a modern economy without charging interest on\n>loans.  From what I hear, even fundamentalist Iran is having to\n>compromise this ideal.\n\nWhich sort of loans and what have you heard exactly?\n\n\nGregg\n","917":"From: john@wa3wbu.UUCP (John Gayman)\nSubject: Re: ATI build 59 drivers \"good\"?\nSummary: ATI\nOrganization: WA3WBU, Marysville, PA\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <C5FoMu.267o@austin.ibm.com>, larryhow@austin.ibm.com writes:\n> \n> How stable are the build 59 drivers?  Are people having success installing\n> and running with these?\n> \n\n\n    I've been using the Build59 drivers on a GW2K 4DX2-66V for several\nweeks with no problems. I'm running Windows in 1024x758 and all software\nI've run has worked fine. This includes many games and the CD-based \nmulti-media encyclopedia, on which the full-motion video works fine.\nI'd recommend you give them a try.\n\n\n-- John\n\n\n\n-- \nJohn Gayman, WA3WBU \nUUCP: uunet!wa3wbu!john\nPacket: WA3WBU @ WB3EAH \n","918":"From: andrew@idacom.hp.com (Andrew Scott)\nSubject: USENET Playoff Pool\nOrganization: IDACOM, A division of Hewlett-Packard\nLines: 15\n\nAs I've mentioned in the rules posting, I will be out of town until the\nday before the entry deadline, so I won't be able to respond to your\nmessages until April 18.\n\nI would be grateful if someone could repost the rules and instructions for\nthe playoff pool sometime next week, for the benefit of those who missed the\nfirst two postings.\n\nThanks.\n\n-- \nAndrew Scott                    | andrew@idacom.hp.com\nHP IDACOM Telecom Operation     | (403) 462-0666 ext. 253\n\nDuring the Roman Era, 28 was considered old...\n","919":"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009\nSummary: Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 262\n\n     Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violatins in Azerbaijan #009\n                 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\n\n      +-----------------------------------------------------------------+\n      |                                                                 |\n      | There were about six burned people in there, and the small      |\n      | corpse of a burned child. It was gruesome. I suffered a         |\n      | tremendous shock. There were about ten people there, but the    |\n      | doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being |\n      | taken to Baku. There was a woman's corpse there too, she had    |\n      | been . . . well, there was part of a body there . . . a         |\n      | hacked-off part of a woman's body. It was something terrible.   |\n      |                                                                 |\n      +-----------------------------------------------------------------+\n\nDEPOSITION OF ROMAN ALEKSANDROVICH GAMBARIAN\n\n   Born 1954\n   Senior Engineer\n   Sumgait Automotive Transport Production Association\n\n   Resident at Building 17\/33B, Apartment 40\n   Microdistrict No. 3\n   Sumgait [Azerbaijan]\n\n\nWhat happened in Sumgait was a great tragedy, an awful tragedy for us, the \nArmenian people, and for all of mankind. A genocide of Armenians took place\nduring peacetime.\n\nAnd it was a great tragedy for me personally, because I lost my father in\nthose days. He was still young. Born in 1926.\n\nOn that day, February 28, we were at home. Of course we had heard that there \nwas unrest in town, my younger brother Aleksandr had told us about it. But we \ndidn't think . . . we thought that everything would happen outdoors, that they\nwouldn't go into people's apartments. About five o'clock we saw a large crowd \nnear the Kosmos movie theater in our microdistrict. We were sitting at home \nwatching television. We go out on the balcony and see the crowd pour into Mir \nStreet. This is right near downtown, next to the airline ticket office, our \nhouse is right nearby. That day there was a group of policeman with shields\nthere. They threw rocks at those policemen. Then they moved off in the \ndirection of our building. They burned a motorcycle in our courtyard and \nstarted shouting for Armenians to come out of the building. We switched off \nthe light. As it turns out, their signal was just the opposite: to turn on the\nlight. That meant that it was an Azerbaijani home. We, of course, didn't know \nand thought that if they saw lights on they would come to our apartment.\n\nSuddenly there's pounding on the door. We go to the door, all four of us:\nthere were four of us in the apartment. Father, Mother, my younger brother\nAleksandr, and I. He was born in 1959. My father was a veteran of World War \nII and had fought in China and in the Soviet Far East; he was a pilot.\n\nWe went to the door and they started pounding on it harder, breaking it down \nwith axes. We start to talk to them in Azerbaijani, \"What's going on? What's \nhappened?\" They say, \"Armenians, get out of here!\" We don't open the door, we \nsay, \"If we have to leave, we'll leave, we'll leave tomorrow.\" They say, \"No, \nleave now, get out of here, Armenian dogs, get out of here!\" By now they've \nbroken the door both on the lock and the hinge sides. We hold them off as best\nwe can, my father and I on one side, and my mother and brother on the other. \nWe had prepared ourselves: we had several hammers and an axe in the apartment,\nand grabbed what we could find to defend ourselves. They broke in the door and\nwhen the door gave way, we held it for another half-hour. No neighbors, no\npolice and no one from the city government came to our aid the whole time. We \nheld the door. They started to smash the door on the lock side, first with an \naxe, and then with a crowbar.\n\nWhen the door gave way--they tore it off its hinges--Sasha hit one of them \nwith the axe. The axe flew out of his hands. They also had axes, crowbars, \npipes, and special rods made from armature shafts. One of them hit my father \nin the head. The pressure from the mob was immense. When we retreated into the\nroom, one of them hit my mother, too, in the left part of her face. My brother\nSasha and I fought back, of course. Sasha is quite strong and hot-tempered, he\nwas the judo champion of Sumgait. We had hammers in our hands, and we injured \nseveral of the bandits--in the heads and in the eyes, all that went on. But \nthey, the injured ones, fell back, and others came to take their places, there\nwere many of them.\n\nThe door fell down at an angle. The mob tried to remove the door, so as to go \ninto the second room and to continue . . . to finish us off. Father brought \nskewers and gave them to Sasha and me--we flew at them when we saw Father \nbleeding: his face was covered with blood, he had been wounded in the head, \nand his whole face was bloody. We just threw ourselves on them when we saw \nthat. We threw ourselves at the mob and drove back the ones in the hall, drove\nthem down to the third floor. We came out on the landing, but a group of the \nbandits remained in one of the rooms they were smashing all the furniture in \nthere, having closed the door behind them. We started tearing the door off to \nchase away the remaining ones or finish them. Then a man, an imposing man of \nabout 40, an Azerbaijani, came in. When he was coming in, Father fell down and\nMother flew to him, and started to cry out. I jumped out onto the balcony and \nstarted calling an ambulance, but then the mob started throwing stones through\nthe windows of our veranda and kitchen. We live on the fourth floor. And no \none came. I went into the room. It seemed to me that this man was the leader \nof the group. He was respectably dressed in a hat and a trench coat with a \nfur collar. And he addressed my mother in Azerbaijani: \"What's with you, \nwoman, why are you shouting? What happened? Why are you shouting like that?\"\nShe says, \"What do you mean, what happened? You killed somebody!\" My father \nwas a musician, he played the clarinet, he played at many weddings, Armenian \nand Azerbaijani, he played for many years. Everyone knew him. Mother says, \n\"The person who you killed played at thousands of Azerbaijani weddings, he \nbrought so much joy to people, and you killed that person.\" He says, \"You \ndon't need to shout, stop shouting.\" And when they heard the voice of this \nman, the 15 to 18 people who were in the other room opened the door and \nstarted running out. We chased after them, but they ran away. That man left, \ntoo. As we were later told, downstairs one of them told the others, I don't \nknow if it was from fright or what, told them that we had firearms, even\nthough we only fought with hammers and an axe. We raced to Father and started \nto massage his heart, but it was already too late. We asked the neighbors to \ncall an ambulance. The ambulance never came, although we waited for it all \nevening and all through the night.\n\nSomewhere around midnight about 15 policemen came. They informed us they were \nfrom Khachmas. They said, \"We heard that a group was here at your place, you \nhave our condolences.\" They told us not to touch anything and left. Father lay\nin the room.\n\nSo we stayed home. Each of us took a hammer and a knife. We sat at home. Well,\nwe say, if they descend on us again we'll defend ourselves. Somewhere around \none o'clock in the morning two people came from the Sumgait Procuracy, \ninvestigators. They say, \"Leave everything just how it is, we're coming back \nhere soon and will bring an expert who will record and photograph everything.\"\nThen people came from the Republic Procuracy too, but no one helped us take \nFather away. The morning came and the neighbors arrived. We wanted to take \nFather away somehow. We called the Procuracy and the police a couple of times,\nbut no one came. We called an ambulance, and nobody came. Then one of the \nneighbors said that the bandits were coming to our place again and we should \nhide. We secured the door somehow or other. We left Father in the room and \nwent up to the neighbor's.\n\nThe excesses began again in the morning. The bandits came in several vehicles,\nZIL panel trucks, and threw themselves out of the vehicles like . . . a \nlanding force near the center of town. Our building was located right there. A\ncrowd formed. Then they started fighting with the soldiers. Then, in Buildings\n19 and 20, that's next to the airline ticket office, they started breaking \ninto Armenian apartments, destroying property, and stealing. The Armenians \nweren't at home, they had managed to flee and hide somewhere. And again they \npoured in the direction of our building. They were shouting that there were \nsome Armenians left on the fourth floor, meaning us. \"They're up there, still,\nup there. Let's go kill them!\" They broke up all the furniture remaining in \nthe two rooms, threw it outside, and burned it in large fires. We were hiding \none floor up. Something heavy fell. Sasha threw himself toward the door \nshouting that it was probably Father, they had thrown Father, were defiling \nthe corpse, probably throwing it in the fire, going to burn it. I heard it, \nand the sound was kind of hollow, and I said, \"No, that's from some of the \nfurniture.\" Mother and I pounced on Sasha and stopped him somehow, and calmed \nhim down.\n\nThe mob left somewhere around eight o'clock. They smashed open the door and \nwent into the apartment of the neighbors across from us. They were also\nArmenians, they had left for another city.\n\nThe father of the neighbor who was concealing us came and said, \"Are you \ncrazy? Why are you hiding Armenians? Don't you now they're checking all the \napartments? They could kill you and them!\" And to us :\" . . . Come on, leave \nthis apartment!\" We went down to the third floor, to some other neighbors'. At\nfirst the man didn't want to let us in, but then one of his sons asked him and\nhe relented. We stayed there until eleven o'clock at night. We heard the sound\nof motors. The neighbors said that it was armored personnel carriers. We went \ndownstairs. There was a light on in the room where we left Father. In the \nother rooms, as we found out later, all the chandeliers had been torn down. \nThey left only one bulb. The bulb was burning, which probably was a signal \nthey had agreed on because there was a light burning in every apartment in our\nMicrodistrict 3 where there had been a pogrom.\n\nWith the help of the soldiers we made it to the City Party Committee and were \nsaved. Our salvation--my mother's, my brother's, and mine,--was purely \naccidental, because, as we later found out from the neighbors, someone in the \ncrowd shouted that we had firearms up there. Well, we fought, but we were only\nable to save Mother. We couldn't save Father. We inflicted many injuries on \nthe bandits, some of them serious. But others came to take their places. We \nwere also wounded, there was blood, and we were scratched all over--we got our\nshare. It was a miracle we survived. We were saved by a miracle and the \ntroops. And if troops hadn't come to Sumgait, the slaughter would have been \neven greater: probably all the Armenians would have been victims of the \ngenocide.\n\nThrough an acquaintance at the City Party Committee I was able to contact the \nleadership of the military unit that was brought into the city, and at their \norders we were assigned special people to accompany us, experts. We went to '\npick up Father's corpse. We took it to the morgue. This was about two o'clock \nin the morning, it was already March 1, it was raining very hard and it was \nquite cold, and we were wearing only our suits. When my brother and I carried \nFather into the morgue we saw the burned and disfigured corpses. There were \nabout six burned people in there, and the small corpse of a burned child. It \nwas gruesome. I suffered a tremendous shock. There were about ten people \nthere, but the doctor on duty said that because of the numbers they were being\ntaken to Baku. There was a woman's corpse there too, she had been . . . well, \nthere was part of a body there . . . a hacked-off part of a woman's body. It \nwas something terrible. The morgue was guarded by the landing force . . . The \nchild that had been killed was only ten or twelve years old. It was impossible\nto tell if it was a boy or a girl because the corpse was burned. There was a \nman there, too, several men. You couldn't tell anything because their faces \nwere disfigured, they were in such awful condition...\n\nNow two and a half months have passed. Every day I recall with horror what \nhappened in the city of Sumgait. Every day: my father, and the death of my \nfather, and how we fought, and the people's sorrow, and especially the morgue.\n\nI still want to say that 70 years have passed since Soviet power was\nestablished, and up to the very last minute we could not conceive of what \nhappened  in Sumgait. It will go down in history.\n\nI'm particularly surprised that the mob wasn't even afraid of the troops. They\neven fought the soldiers. Many soldiers were wounded. The mob threw fuel \nmixtures onto the armored personnel carriers, setting them on fire. They \nweren't afraid. They were so sure of their impunity that they attacked our \ntroops. I saw the clashes on February 29 near the airline ticket office, right\nacross from our building. And that mob was fighting with the soldiers. The \ninhabitants of some of the buildings, also Azerbaijanis, threw rocks at the \nsoldiers from windows, balconies, even cinder blocks and glass tanks. They \nweren't afraid of them. I say they were sure of their impunity. When we were \nat the neighbors' and when they were robbing homes near the airline ticket \noffice I called the police at number 3-20-02 and said that they were robbing \nArmenian apartments and burning homes. And they told me that they knew that \nthey were being burned. During those days no one from the police department \ncame to anyone's aid. No one came to help us, either, to our home, even though\nperhaps they could have come and saved us.\n\nAs we later found out the mob was given free vodka and drugs, near the bus \nstation. Rocks were distributed in all parts of town to be thrown and used in \nfighting. So I think all of it was arranged in advance. They even knew in \nwhich buildings and apartments the Armenians lived, on which floors--they had\nlists, the bandits. You can tell that the \"operation\" was  planned in advance.\n\nThanks, of course, to our troops, to the country's leadership, and to the\nleadership of the Ministry of Defense for helping us, thanks to the Russian\npeople, because the majority of the troops were Russians, and the troops \nsuffered losses, too. I want to express this gratitude in the name of my \nfamily and in the name of all Armenians, and in the name of all Sumgait\nArmenians. For coming in time and averting terrible things: worse would\nhave happened if that mob had not been stopped on time.\n\nAt present an investigation is being conducted on the part of the USSR\nProcuracy. I want to say that those bandits should receive the severest\npossible punishment, because if they don't, the tragedy, the genocide, could \nhappen again. Everyone should see that the most severe punishment is meted\nout for such deeds.\n\nVery many bandits and hardened hooligans took part in the unrest, in the mass \ndisturbances. The mobs were huge. At present not all of them have been caught,\nvery few of them have been, I think, judging by the newspaper reports. There \nwere around 80 people near our building alone, that's how many people took \npart in the pogrom of our building all in all.\n\nThey should all receive the most severe punishment so that others see that \nretribution awaits those who perform such acts.\n\n   May 18, 1988\n   Yerevan\n\n\t\t     - - - reference - - -\n\n[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,\n    Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by\n    Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 153-157\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org   | \"How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  the Armenian border, when we can't \nP.O. Box 382761                      |  even explain 1915?\" \nCambridge, MA 02238                  |              Turkish MP, March 1992 \n","920":"From: peterson@pms001.pms.ford.com (Doug Peterson)\nSubject: NCAA Hockey Final\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company\nLines: 34\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: peterson@pms860.pms.ford.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pms001.pms.ford.com\nKeywords: college\n\nI haven't seen anyone post this so I will do the honors.\n\nMaine beat LSSU 5-4 in Milwaukee on Saturday night.  It was quite a game.\nMaine stormed to a 2-0 lead in the first and looked like they might run away\nwith it.  Maine's first goal came inside the first thirty seconds of the game.\nLSSU came back at the end of the period to cut the lead to 2-1.\n\nLSSU came out in the second dominating the play particularly along the boards.\nThe play went quickly with the refs running a no-holds-barred type of game.\nLSSU scored three more unanswered goals to lead 4-2 at the end of the second.\nNow it looked like LSSU might just walk away with the game.\n\nCoach Walsh, of Maine, replaced the starting goalie Dunham with Snow, who won\nthe game against Michigan.  Snow proved to be a much more aggressive goalie.\nThe third period, like the second, belonged to the team behind.  Maine scored\nthree unanswered goals in a span of five minutes after the four minute mark.\nThey were all scored by Jim Montgomery, the tournament MVP, and all assisted by\nPaul Kariya.\n\nThe last minute of the game bears highlighting.  The change to Snow also\nproved the difference in the end.  With one minute to go and with the LSSU\ngoalie pulled, Snow dueled with a LSSU forward in a amazing set of moves by\nboth.  Snow won.  It was a great way to end the game.\n\nThis year's three championships games were sold out last year in about one\nmonth.  The Bradley Center holds approximately 17,700.  \n\n-- \n+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+\nDouglas J. Peterson                   Have         _--____    ____\npeterson@pms860.pms.ford.com            you        `   \/  ----        \/ \nSafety Laboratories Department            driven     -\/- __  ____ _  \/\nFord Motor Company                           a    .  \/  \/ \\--\/___\/ \\\/\n(313) 390-8089                                    \\_\/  ,\\_\/ \/    \\_\/_   lately?\n","921":"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: National Crime Survey\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\nLines: 19\n\n      Well, I dropped by the library yesterday, and picked up back copies\nof the National Crime Survey (1986-1990) in an effort to examine what\nit said about self-defense with a firearm.\n\n      I haven't ground through much in the way of numbers yet, but a couple\nof things jumped out at me.  First only 1986 and 1987 specify the type of\nweapon used in self defense.  1988, 1989, and 1990 refer only to \"weapon.\"\nThe second is that while assaults rose about 3% from 1986 to 1987, w\/gun\ndefenses reported *fell* by almost 25%.  Unless there's an explanation for\nthis, I'm tempted to mark it as a reporting problem, and as such going \nahead with any examination of the numbers would be a waste of time.\n\n      Anybody have an idea what might have cause a real difference, and\nnot just a reporting difference?  The survey doesn't appear to have\nchanged significantly between 1986 and 1987.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu  \n","922":"From: prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens)\nSubject: BMWMOA Controversy  \nSummary: Request for _brief_ overview\nKeywords: BMWMOA Board, history of contretemps\nOrganization: Pacific*Bell ESAC, Oakland, CA.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:\n>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:\n>>...good ol boys that have been there too long. \n>\n> [...] while I agree with you that the current\n>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash \n>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? \n\nYo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?\n\nIf there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of\nus please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your\nesteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you\ngot to the above contretemps?\n\nPoints will be deducted for shouting or bulging veins in the temple area.\n\n-Pete Ahrens\n","923":"From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nReply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM AIX\/ESA Development, Kingston NY\nLines: 97\n\nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n>In <1993Apr19.053221.11240@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:\n>>>Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their\n>>>fingers.\n>>Yah.  So?\n>>>Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his \n>>>future.\n>>He certainly didn't earn his last one.  *HOW* many games did he blow\n>>in the World Series?  All of the ones he started?\n>He certainly did earn it!  He was a valuable member of the Blue Jay team. \n\nNot particularly *in* the World Series. During the season, he was probably\nmore valuable than, say, putting Olerud out there to pitch, but yeah, he\n*was* valuable in getting them there. In the postseason, he sucked dirty\ncanal water through a straw. The Jays won *in spite* of Morris much more\nthan *because of* him.\n\n>>>Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing.\n>>Oh, yes.  Definitely.  Therefore Morris is better than Clemens.\n>Your definition of \"better\" refers to some measurement on a scale that\n>has nothing to do with winning WS rings.\n\nUmm, Roger? Return with us to those halcyon days of a few postings ago,\nwhere the poster Valentine was replying to used # of WS rings as a measure\nof better. The concept is called \"context\", and you should really become\nfamiliar with it someday.\n\n>The facts are that Morris\n>has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a WS winning club.\n>Clemens hasn't.\n\nUnless this transaltes to \"Clemens hasn't gone into Lou Gorman's office with\na large caliber handgun and refused to come out until he'd been traded to\nthe Jays,\" I'm at a complete loss as to any possible meaning for it.\n\n>You can go on about what Clemens has done in the \n>past and claim that he is \"better\" than Morris if you want to.  But \n>the facts are that Morris has shown us that he can win and Clemens\n>hasn't.\n\nWhat on earth does this mean? Over their careers, Clemens has \"won\" 68% of\nthe games he's started, Morris 58%. Per year, Clemens has averaged nearly 17\nwins, Morris just under 15. Would you grant the proposition that preventing\nthe other team from scoring increases your chances of winning  a game? If\nso, then consider that Clemens allows 2.8 runs\/9 innings pitched. Morris\nallows nearly a run more per nine innings. In fact, Jack Morris has never in\nhis career had an ERA for a single year as good as Clemens' career ERA. But\nI forget, in the Maynardverse there was obviously some mystical significance\nto Buckner missing that grounder in 1986; had Morris been on the Sox, it\nwould have been a routine groundout, right?\n\n>Whether or not Clemens is better by your standard of measurement\n>is totally meaningless.  The object of the game is not to compile \n>high figures in statistics that you have chosen to feel are important.\n>The object of the game is to contribute to WS victories.  But this\n>has been patiently explained to you many, many times and you are \n>either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it.\n\nSpeaking of stupid, it has been patiently (and not-so-patiently) explained to\nyou many times that attributing greatness to players based on the\naccomplishments of their teams makes about as much sense as claiming that\na racecar has the most attractive paint job because it won the race. Your\ncontinued failure to not only understand but even to intelligently reply to\nany of the arguments presented leads me to the conclusion that you must have\nspent a few too many games in goal without a mask.\n\n>>Don't give me that shit.  If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and\n>>Ward while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would\n>>have looked a little different last fall.  Give credit where credit is\n>>due.  This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick.\n>Yes and the dog would have caught the rabbit too...forget about what\n>didn't happen and open your eyes, for once, and look out there and\n>see what is REALLY happening.  Forget about how Morris \"shouldn't\"\n>have won 21 with an ERA over 4.  \n>When Morris pitched, last year, the Jays won.  Stop crying about it and\n>get on with life.\n\nNo one is crying; the Jays won, and as a team they certainly deserved to win\nat least the AL East. They performed well in two short series and won the\nWorld Series, and I congratulate them for it. As a Red Sox fan, I hope they\nkeep Morris. I was happy when they picked up Stewart, and elated when they\ntraded for Darrin Jackson. You see, unless you believe in some mystical link\nbetween Morris and the offense, you can hardly help but believe that the man\nwas credited with so many wins last year because he got lucky. Luck runs\nout, just like it did in 1982 when he pitched 50-odd more innings than 1992,\ngave up exactly *one* earned run more than in 1992, and went 17-16.\n\nSeriously, Roger, I'd really like to hear your explanation of the difference\nbetween the 1982 Morris and the 1992 Morris. Which one was a better pitcher,\nand why? Did Morris somehow \"learn how to win\" in the intervening ten years?\nIf so, then why did he go 18-12 in 1991 with Minnesota with an ERA over half\na run lower than 1992?\n\n Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\n\nDon't be humble, you're not that great.\n","924":"From: hamachi@adobe.com (Gordon Hamachi)\nSubject: Re: Honda Accord Brake Problem\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nLines: 32\n\nJoni Ciarletta writes\n> My Honda Accord just hit the magic 100,000 mile mark and now\n> all sorts of things are beginning to go bad. The latest problem\n> I am experiencing is with my brakes.  They still stop the\n> car fine, but once I am stopped completely, my brake pedal\n> will sink another 2 or 3 inches all by itself.  If feels really\n> strange, and I am worried my brakes will quit working one of\n> these days.\n> \n> I checked my brake fluid, and the reservoir was full, but the\n> fluid itself looked really dirty (like dirty oil).  I called\n> my mechanic and he told me I need a new brake master cylinder,\n> which will cost me a whopping $250-300.\n\nYou are not alone.  My '79 Honda Accord with 110,000 miles on it started  \nshowing the same behavior.\n\nI replaced the brake master cylinder myself.  It took about an hour and cost  \nabout $45.  Sure beats paying $300 to have someone else do it!  If I wanted to  \nrebuild my own master cylinder instead of putting in a rebuilt one, it would  \nhave cost only $20 to $30 for the rebuild kit.\n\nThe Honda brake master cylinder is easy to get to.  Two bolts attach it to the  \nengine compartment.  Two brake lines enter the master cylinder.  The tricky  \npart was that the brake lines were stuck tight.  My Craftsmen open end wrench  \nrounded off the bolt heads!  I had to use Vise Grips to loosen those suckers.   \nWow!  Best invention since sliced bread.  After that it was very easy.  Bolt  \nthe new part in place, add new brake fluid, and bleed the brakes.\n\nThis is quite easy even for a beginner.  My local auto parts store had a repair  \nmanual for the Honda Accord; it had detailed diagrams of the master brake  \ncylinder and a step-by-step procedure for replacing it.\n","925":"From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)\nSubject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing\nOrganization: Trivializers R Us\nLines: 16\n\nIn <1pqu12$pmu@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes:\n>In article <C513wI.G5A@athena.cs.uga.edu>, mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n>|> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times\n>|> or something like that.\n>... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a\n>mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the\n>compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency.\n \nYes, but in a fairly reproducible way. -40 is only a smidgen of the\ndistance to absolute zero. And in any case you're going to have to\nborrow freezer space from a bio lab or someone to test\/calibrate this\ndarling anyway. Btw, you're probably going to want those big capacitors\nyou found to fire the solenoid -- High current drain on frozen batteries\ncan be an ugly thing.\n\npaul\n","926":"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: Some more about gun control...\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <2071@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:\n>What I find so hard to understand is how come some people, apparantly\n>NOT connected with government or otherwise privileged, will\n>go to great lengths, redefinitions, re-interpretations, in a full-bore\n>attempt to THROW AWAY THE PROTECTION OF THEIR OWN RIGHTS under the\n>Constitution!!!\n>Almost makes me think of lemmings running into the sea during a lemming\n>year...\n>I really wonder that Jefferson and Madison would say to these folks?\n\nThey'd probably quote Montesque (sp?) who was once asked if Russia\nwas likely to become a democracy any time soon: \"No, because\nRussia is a nation of slaves and the people get what they deserve.\"\nSince he said that, Russia has changed a great deal. But so, \nunfortunately have other nations.\n\n                                                 Frank Crary\n                                                 CU Boulder\n","927":"From: cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.X. Sawran)\nSubject: Bernoulli 44 Removeable SCSI Drive & Disks\nNntp-Posting-Host: ultb-gw.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\nDistribution: usa\n\n    \n    Storage space for sale:\n    \n    Iomega 44 MB removeable HD for sale w\/ 16 cartridges.\n    \n    Total storage space comes out to be about 750 MB.  6 cartridges still in\n    original shrinkwrapping, unused.  Note:  this is NOT compatible with\n    SysQuest 45 cartridges.\n    \n    SCSI interface required... plugs right into the back of Macintoshes,\n    but I don't have a controller for the IBM.  All utilities I have for it\n    are for the Mac.  If you have a Mac, then this is for you!  I have a\n    ton of software on these disks that I don't use anymore, because I sold\n    my mac system.  Stuff included:  Most of the PD stuff from info-mac\n    site, LOTS of GIF's, and LOTS of sound effects.  (1 entire disk with\n    just sounds)\n   \n    I am asking $900 for all, plus shipping.\n\n    For more information, send me mail (cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu) or call\n    (716) 427-0701... ask for Sawran\n    \n    cheers\n    \n    chris\n    cxs2341@ultb.isc.rit.edu\n    cxs2341@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\n","928":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 62\n\nIn article <48095@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> hminassi@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (HM) writes:\n\n>    \"Turkey must bare its teeth to Armenia.\"\n\nSooner than you expect. Remember 'Cyprus'?\n\n>   I have to say I vehemently disagree with you, I have seen\n\nToo bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established \na vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two \ncontinents. Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and \nWaffen-SS in Russia and Western Europe. Armenians were involved in \nespionage and fifth-column activities for Hitler in the Balkans and \nArabian Peninsula. They were promised an 'independent' state under \nGerman 'protection' in an agreement signed by the 'Armenian National \nCouncil.' (A copy of this agreement can be found in the 'Congressional \nRecord,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) On this side of the Atlantic, \nNazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens alliance. They had often \nexpressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered the war. In summary,\nduring World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and\ncringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication\nin Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1]\n\n\"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)\n when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it \n becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon\n method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical\n operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing.\" \n\nNow for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -\nextracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San\nFrancisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published\nin the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.\n\n \"...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities\n  against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the \n  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian \n  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish \n  and\/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see \n  the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...\n  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise \n  to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would \n  help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of\n  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!\n  I don't need your bias.\"  \n\n  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.\n\n[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian\n    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:\n    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","929":"From: thorf@csa.bu.edu (Thor Farrish)\nSubject: Maxtor drive geometry\/jumpers\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA\nLines: 1\n\n\n","930":"From: rachford@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Jeffery M Rachford)\nSubject: Ryno correction\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nDistribution: na\nLines: 13\n\n\nI made a mistake on the posted article [been fighting food\npoisoning for last 24 hours...]\n\nThe second paragraph should state the following...\n\n\"Doctors cleared Sandberg to swing a padded bat at a ball\non a tee and to catch a ball in his gloved hand.\"\n\nSorry for the error, didn't know it until after posting.\n\nJeffery\n\n","931":"From: \"dan mckinnon\" <dan.mckinnon@canrem.com>\nSubject: \"clipper chip\"\nReply-To: \"dan mckinnon\" <dan.mckinnon@canrem.com>\nOrganization: Canada Remote Systems\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 30\n\n   I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is\nunknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I\nfound in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star:\n\n                  'CLIPPER CHIP' to protect privacy\n\n   Washington (REUTER) - President Bill CLinton announced yesterday a\nplan to plant a new \"Clipper Chip\" in every government telephone and\ncomputer line to prevent eavesdropping.\n\n   Eventually the chips, developed by the government's National\nInstitute for Standards and Technology, would be used by commercial and\nprivate electronics communication users.\n\n   The White House said that to assure privacy, each device containing\nthe encryption devices would be assigned two unique \"keys\" - numbers\nthat will be needed by government agencies to decode messages.\n\n   The attorney-general has been assigned the task of arranging that the\nkeys are deposited in two \"key-escrow\" data bases. Access to them would\nbe limited to government officials with legal authorization to conduct a\nwiretap, the White House said in a statement.\n\n                              -30-\n\n\n Dan McKinnon\n--\nCanada Remote Systems - Toronto, Ontario\n416-629-7000\/629-7044\n","932":"From: pgf5@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Hamas methods of Murder\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 9\n\n\n\nIf anyone gets the New York Times, the Edit page has a transcript\nof a VHS from Hams describing their methods of torture and \nexecution. I will post it later on.\n\n\n\n\n","933":"From: hungjenc@phakt.usc.edu (Hung-Jen Chen)\nSubject: Forsale Sony D-22 discman\nArticle-I.D.: phakt.1pqnsjINNlmd\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu\n\n\n                     \n      Sony D-22 portable Diskman forsale\n      \n      Good condition, flawless.\n      \n      Costomer AC adapter : 6v DC power supply ( tested 9v DC)\n       \n       * The factory adapter was tested 12v DC (AC 110v input) at the \n         time I bought it three years ago. When using it, a lot of heat \n         was generated inside the CD machine. Of course I wouldn't use \n         it to risk this baby's life. Maybe that's why so many owners \n         always complain about their portable machine going kaput after \n         a short time usage. \n\n       * 9v DC factory suggested\n      \n      LED display\n\n\n      asking $ 55  plus shipping, contact Harry if interested\n","934":"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: hawks vs leafs lastnight\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nDistribution: na\nLines: 33\n\nIn <1993Apr18.153820.10118@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n\n>In article <93106.082502ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> Raj Ramnarace <ACPS6992@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca> writes:\n>>did anyone else see this game last night ? just like a playoff game!!\n>>lots of hitting...but I was disappointed by the video goal judge...\n>>on all replays, joe murphy's goal shouldn't have counted ! it didn't go in net\n>>!! and according to the tsn broadcasters, the video goal judge said that he\n>>saw the water bottle on top of the cage move so he assumed the puck went in!\n>>this is terrible...hope crap like this doesn't occur in the playoffs!\n>>the game would have ended in 2-2 tie !\n\n>I thought the red light went on...thus, in the review, the presumption\n>would be to find conclusive evidence that the puck did not go in the\n>net...from the replays I say, even from the rear, the evidence wasn't\n>conclusive that the puck was in or out...in my opinion...\n\nIt seemed pretty conclusive to me.  The puck clearly hit the crossbar\nand then came down on the line.  And the announcers, admittedly homers,\nkept harping about how they \"must have had a different view upstairs\"\nbecause it was obvious to them, and, I would have thought, to anyone who\nsaw the replay, that the puck didn't go in.  The referee originally \nsignalled no goal but the video replay \"judges\" initiated contact with\nthe referee to claim that a goal was in fact scored.  This, to me, is\nunheard of.  Seeing stuff like this happen gives me a bad feeling about\nthe Leaf chances this year.\n\ncordially, as always,\n\nrm\n\n-- \nRoger Maynard \nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n","935":"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.200231.10206@ra.royalroads.ca>,\nmlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:\n> These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had\n> expressly set apart from the rest of the world.  The Israelites were a\n> direct witness to God's existence.  To disobey God after KNOWing that God\n> is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable.\n> Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to \n> God's chosen people.  But Jesus has changed all of that.  We are living in the\n> age of grace.  Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death.  There is\n> repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.  And not just\n> for a few chosen people.  Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile\n> alike.\n\nJews won't agree with you, Malcolm.\n\nCheers,\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n","936":"From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93   God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nOrganization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco\nLines: 33\n\nbrian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602\/621-9615) writes:\n>\n>Be warned, it is not my job to convert you.  That is the job of\n>the Holy Spirit.  And I, frankly, make a lousy one.  I am only\n>here to testify.  Your conversion is between you and God.  I am\n>\"out of the loop\".  If you decide to follow Jesus, of which I\n>indeed would be estatic, then all the glory be to God.\n\nI've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me.  I\nreally wish I could believe in him, 'cos no matter how much confidence\nI build up on my own, the universe *is* a big place, and it would be\nso nice to know I have someone watching over me in it...\n\nI've gone into this with an open mind.  I've layed my beliefs aside\nfrom time to time when I've had doubt, and I've prayed to see what\ngood that would do.  I don't see what more I can do to open myself to\nyour god, short of just deciding to believe for no good reason.  And\nif I decide to believe for no good reason, why not believe in some\nother god?  Zeus seems like a pretty cool candidate...\n\nAll I know is that in all my searching, even though I've set aside my\npride and decided that I want to know the truth no matter how\ndifficult it may be to accept, I have never had any encounter with any\ndeity, Christian or otherwise.\n\nPlease tell me what more I can do while still remaining true to myself.\n\n-- \n_\/_\/_\/  Brian Kendig                             Je ne suis fait comme aucun\n\/_\/_\/  bskendig@netcom.com                de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire\n_\/_\/                            n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.\n  \/  The meaning of life     Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.\n \/    is that it ends.                                           -- Rousseau\n","937":"From: jonc@joncpc.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Mike Corcoran)\nSubject: Re: tire recomendation for CB400T wanted\nKeywords: tires recomend CB400T\nOrganization: NCR E&M San Diego\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.172716.4301@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr) writes:\n|> \n|> I've got a '81 CB400T with Chen-Shing (sp?) tires on it.\n|> I got it with these tires on it!  The only reason I need new tires \n|> is beacuse I hate (and don't feel safe on) these.\n|> \n|> I'd appreciate any recomendations I can get (about NEW tires!).\n|> \n|> Thanks,\n|> Tony\n\nI'll throw in a vote for a Metzler \"economy\" tire, the ME77. Good\nfor mid-size older bikes. Rated to 130mph. Wearing well and handles\nmy 12 mile ride(twisties) to work well on the SR500. Costs a bit \nmore than the Chengs\/IRC's etc, but still less than the Sport\nMetzlers for the newer bikes. Cost from Chaparral is about $60 for the\nfront, and $70 for the rear.\n-- \n          Jon M.(Mike) Corcoran <Mike.Corcoran@SanDiego.NCR.COM>   \n\t\t  '78 Yamaha SR500 - '72 Honda XL250 - '70 Husky 400 Cross\n","938":"From: varvel@plains.NoDak.edu (Andrew Varvel)\nSubject: To be exact, 2.5 million readers enlightened by Serdar Argic\nSummary: :-P\nArticle-I.D.: ns1.C5uvBM.MzE\nOrganization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network\nLines: 13\nNntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu\n\n\nIn article <9304202017@zuma.UUCP> sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) writes:\n              (a.k.a. Serdar Argic, The Merciful and Compassionate)\n\n[Serdar Argic's bountiful, divine, all-knowing, and footnoted \nwisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute.]\n\n\nWHERE CAN I JOIN THE SERDAR ARGIC FAN CLUB?  DO I GET A T-SHIRT?\n\n--The Friendly Neighborhood Alien--\n\nLife just hasn't been the same since David Koresh died...\n","939":"From: mryan@stsci.edu\nSubject: Should I be angry at this doctor?\nLines: 26\nOrganization: Space Telescope Science Institute\nDistribution: na\n\nAm I justified in being pissed off at this doctor?\n\nLast Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife.\nI took him to a local \"Urgent and General Care\" clinic at 5:50 pm.  The \nclinic was open till 6:00 pm.  The receptionist went to the back and told the \ndoctor that we were there, and came back and told us the doctor would not \nsee us because she had someplace to go at 6:00 and did not want to be delayed \nhere.  During the next few minutes, in response to my questions, with several \ntrips to the back room, the receptionist told me:\n\t- the doctor was doing paperwork in the back,\n\t- the doctor would not even look at his finger to advise us on going\n\t  to the emergency room;\n\t- the doctor would not even speak to me;\n\t- she would not tell me the doctor's name, or her own name;\n\t- when asked who is in charge of the clinic, she said \"I don't know.\"\n\nI realize that a private clinic is not the same as an emergency room, but\nI was quite angry at being turned away because the doctor did not want to\nbe bothered.  My son did get three stitches at the emergency room.  I'm still \ntrying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a \nletter.   We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMary Ryan\t\t\t\tmryan@stsci.edu\nSpace Telescope Science Institute\nBaltimore, Maryland\n","940":"Subject: Mives 4 Sale (update)\nFrom: koutd@hiramb.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU)\nOrganization: Hiram College\nNntp-Posting-Host: hiramb.hiram.edu\nLines: 15\n\nVHS movie for sale\n\nKevin Costner\tDances withs Wolves\n\nJust open and was used once, $12.00 or best offer, buyer will have\nto pay shipping. ($1.00 for shipping)\n\nLet me know if you are interested, and send your offer to this\ne-mail address. Koutd@hirama.hiram.edu\n\nthanks,\n\nDouglas Kou\nHiram College\n\n","941":"From: lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Lawrence C. Foard)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: ITC\/UVA Community Access UNIX\/Internet Project\nLines: 47\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes:\n>\n>In article <C5K5LC.CyF@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> lfoard@hopper.Virginia.EDU (La\n>wrence C. Foard) writes:\n>>In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n>>>\n>>>\n>>>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:\n>>>\n>>>    Male sex survey: Gay activity low\n>>>\n>>>    A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough\n>>>    examination of American men's sexual practices published since\n>>>    the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2\n>>>    percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and\n>>>    1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.\n>>>\n>>>    The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday\n>>>    by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than\n>>>    the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional\n>>>    wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report.\n>>\n>>1) So what?\n>\n>So there are less gays, then the gays claim.\n\nLast I checked I was one person, I haven't even been elected\nas a representative for \"gaydom\". Should I ascribe every thing\nyou say as representing every member of the straight community?\n\n>>2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers\n>>   gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of\n>>   us then this is an event unprecidented in history...\n>>\n>\n>Dream on.  Abortion and African-American Civil rights rallies don't even bring\n>in half of that.\n\nThats the point. If there are several million queers in DC you had better\nstart wondering about the validity of the study.\n\n-- \n------          Join the Pythagorean Reform Church!               .\n\\    \/        Repent of your evil irrational numbers             . .\n \\  \/   and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart!        . . .\n  \\\/   Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568  . . . .\n    \n","942":"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nKeywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1qp9d1$e37@dorothy.ibmpcug.co.uk>, gtoal@news.ibmpcug.co.uk (Graham Toal) writes:\n> Try reading between the lines David - there are *strong* hints in there\n> that they're angling for NREN next, and the only conceivable meaning of\n> applying this particular technology to a computer network is that they\n> intend it to be used in exclusion to any other means of encryption.\n\nUmm...  I beg to differ with the phrase ``only conceivable meaning''.\nThe SDNS protocols, for example, make explicit provision for multiple\nencryption systems, as does PEM.  (And I'd love to see how they'd\nmandate this new system for PEM without disclosing it....)\n\nMind you, I'm not saying that multiple algorithms will actually be\nused -- but the relevant technologies certainly provide for them, which\ncertainly casts doubt on your choice of words.\n","943":"Subject: Re: Date is stuck\nFrom: phys169@csc.canterbury.ac.nz\nOrganization: University of Canterbury, Christchurch, New Zealand\nNntp-Posting-Host: cantva.canterbury.ac.nz\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.132300.27816@kosman.uucp>, kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes:\n> Anybody seen the date get stuck?\n> \n> I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time.  The machine\n> is left running all the time.\n> \n> Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over.  The time is (reasonably) accurate\n> allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning.  This involves\n> exiting the menu system to get to DOS.\n> \n> Anyone have the slightest idea why this should be?  Even a clue as to whether\n> the hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken?\n\nI bet it suddenly started sticking when you  started leaving the PC running the\nmenu all night.  There is a limitation\/bug in the date roll-over software in\nPC's that means you have to be doing something like waiting for keyboard input\nvia a DOS call rather than a BIOS call (as menus often use) otherwise the code\nto update the date after midnight never gets called. \n\nSomebody might be able to correct the details in case I've mis-rememberred\nthem, but I think you have to change the menu program (if you have the sources)\nor add a TSR or system patch or something.  As far as I know the CMOS clock\nkeeps the right time (in fact about 7 seconds\/day better than DOS's clock).\n\nMark Aitchison, University of Canterbury.\n","944":"From: elr@trintex.uucp (Ed Ravin)\nSubject: Re: electronic parts in NYC?\nOrganization: Why me?\nLines: 19\n\nTaft Electronics, 45th Street between 5th & 6th -- the only one left in\nwhat was once an entire district of electronics stores.  A little expensive.\n\nTrans-Am Electronics, Canal Street near 7th Ave -- lots of surplus type\nstuff.\n\nSeveral other electronics or \"surplus\" type places are still on Canal\nStreet.\n\nI think Bronx Wholesale Radio is still in business -- Fordham Road not\ntoo far from Arthur Avenue in the Bronx.  Also in the Bronx is NorthEastern\n(or was it Northwestern?  Northeast Electronics?) on Jerome Avenue near\nBedford Park Boulevard.  They're mostly a TV parts supply house, but when\nI was building CB radio projects, they were quite handy..\n-- \nEd Ravin               | \"A TV cop fires a gun three times an hour.  A real cop\nProdigy Services Co.   |  fires a gun only once every five years.\"\nWhite Plains, NY 10601 |------------d i s c l a i m e r - w a s - h e r e -----\n+1-914-993-4737        | elr@trintex.uucp or elr%trintex@uunet.uu.net\n","945":"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future.\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.164801.7530@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:\n>\tHmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record-\n>players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower\n>per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems.\n>\n\n\nI don't think so at first,  but solid state offered  better reliabity,\nid bet,  and any lower costs would be only after the processes really scaled up.\n\npat\n\n","946":"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff)\nSubject: Re: best homeruns\nDistribution: rec\nOrganization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY\nLines: 5\n\nOn two separate occasions I saw Dick Allen (back when he was Richie)\nhomer at Shea off the middle of the black centerfield hitter's\nbackground screen.  I think both shots would have traveled 500 feet.\n\nJay\n","947":"From: mussack@austin.ibm.com (Christopher Mussack)\nSubject: Re: tuff to be a Christian?\nOrganization: IBM Austin\nLines: 66\n\nPlease realize that I am frequently getting in trouble for\nstraying from orthodoxy, but here is my opinion:\n\nIn article <Apr.17.01.10.58.1993.2246@geneva.rutgers.edu>, mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes:\n> ... Moreover the Buddha says that we are \n> intrinsically good (as against Christ's \"we are all sinners\").\n\nI never thought of these two ideas being \"against\" each other.\nPeople might quibble about what \"intrinsically\" means but the\nreason we are sinners is because we do not behave as good as we\nare. The message of Christ is that each of us are not only good,\nbut great, that we can approach perfection, albeit perhaps through a \ndifferent technique than you claim Buddhism teaches. Because we do\nnot realize our greatness, we sin. Peter had no problem walking \non water until a little doubt crept in.\n\nDoesn't David ask in the 8th Psalm \"what is man that you [God] \nshould care for him, but you have made him just a little lower \nthan the angels\"?\n\nI probably exagerate in my mind what a scrawny little kid David\nwas, just as I probably exagerate what a gigantic monster Goliath\nwas, but David's power easily defeated Goliath's.\n\nRemember the rich young man who comes up to Jesus and asks what\nhe can do to enter the Kingdom, Jesus says follow the commandments.\nI always picture the smug look on his face as he says he's done that\nhis whole life, probably anticipating an \"attaboy\" from the \nMessiah. Instead Jesus gives him a harder task, sell everything\nand follow Him. Jesus is raising the bar. The desciples say\nhow can anyone do this if it's so hard even for rich people.\nJesus says anyone can do it, with God's help.\n\nJesus says not only can we avoid killing people, we can avoid\ngetting angry at people. Not only can we avoid committing\nadultery, we can control our own desires. \n\nI realize this was not your main point, but I wonder how other\npeople see this. \n\n> ...\n> \tParting Question:\n> \t\tWould you have become a Christian if you had not\n> been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about\n> any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim\n> you are brain washed.\n\n(Please forgive any generalizations I am about to make.)\n\nYour point about how \"hard\" other religions are is a good one, just \nas your \"Parting Question\" is a tough question. I think that Muslims\nworship the same God as I do, we can learn from their name \"submission\".\nHindus and Buddhists and Taoists, etc. claim that \"God\" is impersonal. \nIs God personal or impersonal? I say yes, but if I think a little\nmore my answer is whichever is greater. I think it is greater \nto be a personal entity, with an individual consciousness, but\nyou're right that that might be a cultural bias. If I think more\nI must admit that God's personal nature is as far beyond my\nconception as His impersonal nature is beyond the Hindu's\nconception. If somehow Jesus could fit into Hindu cosmology\nthen maybe I wouldn't have a problem, though that is hard to imagine.\n\nAre there any former (or present) \"Eastern Religion\" members here \nwho could comment?\n\nChris Mussack\n","948":"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: Dmm Advice Needed\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nLines: 19\n\nI've had my Fluke 8060A here at work for just over 10 years now.\nIt is a wonderful meter.  Several colleagues here have some of the\nnewer Fluke meters, though I still would just as soon hang on to my\n8060.  The 8060 a is the 1980s digial \"analog\" to the Simpson 260\nanalog DMM of the 1950-1960s.  There was\/is (?) an 8060B that had\nextended frequency response.\n\nI've got a nifty little pen shaped meter made by Soar that I keep\nin my toolbox at home.  I've had that for six or seven years now\nand only replaced the batteries a couple of timees; it is more than\nadequate for day-to-day hobby use.  I think Soar OEMs their stuff\nfor a number of vendors.  Some of JDR Microdevices' stuff looks\nrather similar to Soar's.\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1)    146.580: N8WED\n","949":"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)\nSubject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Thur, April 15, 1993\nOrganization: University of New Brunswick\nLines: 278\n\nPhiladelphia                     1 2 4--7\nBuffalo                          0 3 1--4\nFirst period\n     1, Philadelphia, Recchi 52 (Galley, Lindros) 0:18.\nSecond period\n     2, Philadelphia, Hawgood 11 (Dineen, Eklund) pp, 2:15.\n     3, Philadelphia, Dineen 33 (McGill) sh, 5:40.\n     4, Buffalo, Barnaby 1 (Hawerchuk, Smehlik) pp, 7:48.\n     5, Buffalo, Wood 18 (LaFontaine, Ledyard) pp, 17:34.\n     6, Buffalo, Mogilny 75 (Hawerchuk, Carney) pp, 18:56.\nThird period\n     7, Philadelphia, Eklund 11 (Dineen, Beranek) 4:42.\n     8, Buffalo, Mogilny 76 (Errey, LaFontaine) 5:24.\n     9, Philadelphia, Dineen 34 (Brind'Amour) pp, 6:44.\n     10, Philadelphia, Dineen 35 (Brind'Amour, Galley) sh, 8:39.\n     11, Philadelphia, Acton 8 (Dineen, Brind'Amour) 19:48.\n\nPhiladelphia: 7    Power play: 5-2   Special goals:  pp: 2  sh: 2  Total: 4\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nActon              1    0    1\nBeranek            0    1    1\nBrind'Amour        0    3    3\nDineen             3    3    6\nEklund             1    1    2\nGalley             0    2    2\nHawgood            1    0    1\nLindros            0    1    1\nMcGill             0    1    1\nRecchi             1    0    1\n\nBuffalo: 4    Power play: 10-3\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBarnaby            1    0    1\nCarney             0    1    1\nErrey              0    1    1\nHawerchuk          0    2    2\nLaFontaine         0    2    2\nLedyard            0    1    1\nMogilny            2    0    2\nSmehlik            0    1    1\nWood               1    0    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nMinnesota                        1 1 1--3\nDetroit                          0 2 3--5\nFirst period\n     1, Minnesota, McPhee 18 (Ludwig) 1:23.\nSecond period\n     2, Minnesota, Dahlen 34 (Courtnall, Gagner) pp, 0:31.\n     3, Detroit, Drake 18 (Howe, Ogrodnick) 9:14.\n     4, Detroit, Ysebaert 34 (Lidstrom, Howe) pp, 17:37.\nThird period\n     5, Detroit, Ciccarelli 41 (Coffey, Chiasson) pp, 0:32.\n     6, Detroit, Kennedy 19 (Burr, Probert) 3:42.\n     7, Detroit, Yzerman 58 (Ciccarelli, Gallant) 6:17.\n     8, Minnesota, Dahlen 35 (Courtnall, Gagner) 19:11.\n\nDetroit: 5    Power play: 4-2\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBurr               0    1    1\nChiasson           0    1    1\nCiccarelli         1    1    2\nCoffey             0    1    1\nDrake              1    0    1\nGallant            0    1    1\nHowe               0    2    2\nKennedy            1    0    1\nLidstrom           0    1    1\nOgrodnick          0    1    1\nProbert            0    1    1\nYsebaert           1    0    1\nYzerman            1    0    1\n\nMinnesota: 3    Power play: 2-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nCourtnall          0    2    2\nDahlen             2    0    2\nGagner             0    2    2\nLudwig             0    1    1\nMcPhee             1    0    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nEdmonton                         0 0 0--0\nWinnipeg                         1 2 0--3\nFirst period\n     1, Winnipeg, Shannon 20 (Steen, Davydov) pp, 2:08.\nSecond period\n     2, Winnipeg, Selanne 76 (Olausson) 5:25.\n     3, Winnipeg, Zhamnov 25 (Selanne) 19:42.\nThird period\n     No scoring.\n\nWinnipeg: 3    Power play: 6-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nDavydov            0    1    1\nOlausson           0    1    1\nSelanne            1    1    2\nShannon            1    0    1\nSteen              0    1    1\nZhamnov            1    0    1\n\nEdmonton: 0    Power play: 3-0\nNo scoring\n\n-----------------------------------------\nToronto                          1 1 0--2\nChicago                          0 2 1--3\nFirst period\n     1, Toronto, Baumgartner 1 (unassisted) 18:40.\nSecond period\n     2, Chicago, Roenick 50 (Murphy, Chelios) 1:29.\n     3, Toronto, Andreychuk 55 (Mironov, Lefebvre) 13:22.\n     4, Chicago, Murphy 7 (Roenick, Chelios) pp, 19:05.\nThird period\n     5, Chicago, Matteau 15 (unassisted) 10:51.\nError: Power play goal mismatch. Assuming calc value.\nError: Team: Toronto  Calc: 0  Read: 1\n\nChicago: 3    Power play: 7-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nChelios            0    2    2\nMatteau            1    0    1\nMurphy             1    1    2\nRoenick            1    1    2\n\nToronto: 2    Power play: 3-0\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nAndreychuk         1    0    1\nBaumgartner        1    0    1\nLefebvre           0    1    1\nMironov            0    1    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nFirst period\n     1, St Louis, Shanahan 50 (Brown, Felsner) 10:44.\n     2, St Louis, Miller 23 (Bassen, Brown) 19:38.\n     3, St Louis, Bassen 8 (Zombo) 19:48.\nSecond period\n     4, St Louis, Bassen 9 (Hedican, Miller) 0:14.\n     5, St Louis, Miller 24 (Zombo, Hedican) 11:09.\n     6, Tampa Bay, Maltais 7(Hamrlik) 11:27.\n     7, Tampa Bay, Bergland 3 (Hervey, Gilhen) 17:16.\n     8, St Louis, Shanahan 51 (Emerson) 19:38.\nThird period\n     9, Tampa Bay, Creighton 19 (Bergland, Bergevin) 0:40.\n     10, Tampa Bay, Chambers 10 (Zamuner, Cole) 10:37.\n     11, Tampa Bay, Cole 12 (Beers, Bradley) 11:58.\n\nSt Louis: 6    Power play: 4-0\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBassen             2    1    3\nBrown              0    2    2\nEmerson            0    1    1\nFelsner            0    1    1\nHedican            0    2    2\nMiller             2    1    3\nShanahan           2    0    2\nZombo              0    2    2\n\nTampa Bay: 5    Power play: 3-0\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBeers              0    1    1\nBergevin           0    1    1\nBergland           1    1    2\nBradley            0    1    1\nChambers           1    0    1\nCole               1    1    2\nCreighton          1    0    1\nGilhen             0    1    1\nHamrlik            0    1    1\nHervey             0    1    1\nMaltais            1    0    1\nZamuner            0    1    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nSan Jose                         0 1 2--3\nCalgary                          0 4 3--7\nFirst period\n     No scoring.\nSecond period\n     1, San Jose, Garpenlov 22 (Odgers, Gaudreau) pp, 3:37.\n     2, Calgary, Nieuwendyk 38 (MacInnis, Suter) pp, 5:26.\n     3, Calgary, Ranheim 21 (Otto, Suter) 10:43.\n     4, Calgary, Yawney 1 (Nieuwendyk, Roberts) 11:26.\n     5, Calgary, Berube 4 (Paslawski, Skrudland) 13:45.\nThird period\n     6, San Jose, Wood 1 (Odgers, Kisio) 8:00.\n     7, Calgary, Reichel 40 (unassisted) 9:26.\n     8, Calgary, Roberts 38 (Musil, Paslawski) pp, 12:27.\n     9, San Jose, Kisio 26 (unassisted) 13:10.\n     10, Calgary, Paslawski 18 (Ashton, Stern) 16:16.\n\nCalgary: 7    Power play: 4-2\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nAshton             0    1    1\nBerube             1    0    1\nMacInnis           0    1    1\nMusil              0    1    1\nNieuwendyk         1    1    2\nOtto               0    1    1\nPaslawski          1    2    3\nRanheim            1    0    1\nReichel            1    0    1\nRoberts            1    1    2\nSkrudland          0    1    1\nStern              0    1    1\nSuter              0    2    2\nYawney             1    0    1\n\nSan Jose: 3    Power play: 3-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nGarpenlov          1    0    1\nGaudreau           0    1    1\nKisio              1    1    2\nOdgers             0    2    2\nWood               1    0    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nVancouver                        1 2 5--8\nLos Angeles                      2 3 1--6\nFirst period\n     1, Los Angeles, Robitaille 63 (Gretzky, Sandstrom) 1:39.\n     2, Vancouver, Babych 3 (Craven, Nedved) pp, 9:43.\n     3, Los Angeles, Sandstrom 25 (Gretzky, Robitaille) 10:06.\nSecond period\n     4, Vancouver, Linden 32 (Ronning, Courtnall) pp, 0:54.\n     5, Vancouver, Ward 22 (Hunter, Nedved) 1:24.\n     6, Los Angeles, Gretzky 16 (Sandstrom, Robitaille) 6:57.\n     7, Los Angeles, Zhitnik 12 (Kurri, Robitaille) pp, 14:02.\n     8, Los Angeles, Millen 23 (Hardy) pp, 16:57.\nThird period\n     9, Vancouver, Ronning 27 (Dirk) 5:28.\n     10, Vancouver, Ronning 28 (Courtnall, Linden) pp, 11:15.\n     11, Vancouver, Linden 33 (Courtnall, Ronning) 11:27.\n     12, Los Angeles, Donnelly 29 (Millen, Granato) pp, 14:35.\n     13, Vancouver, Courtnall 31 (Ronning, Ratushny) 14:54.\n     14, Vancouver, Ronning 29 (Linden, Diduck) en, 18:47.\n\nVancouver: 8    Power play: 6-3   Special goals:  pp: 3  en: 1  Total: 4\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBabych             1    0    1\nCourtnall          1    3    4\nCraven             0    1    1\nDiduck             0    1    1\nDirk               0    1    1\nHunter             0    1    1\nLinden             2    2    4\nNedved             0    2    2\nRatushny           0    1    1\nRonning            3    3    6\nWard               1    0    1\n\nLos Angeles: 6    Power play: 10-3\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nDonnelly           1    0    1\nGranato            0    1    1\nGretzky            1    2    3\nHardy              0    1    1\nKurri              0    1    1\nMillen             1    1    2\nRobitaille         1    3    4\nSandstrom          1    2    3\nZhitnik            1    0    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\n","950":"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nOrganization: Manes and Associates, NYC\nDistribution: na\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 44\n\nJim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote:\n: In article <C4u3x5.Fw7@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve  \n: Manes) writes:\n: [...]\n: > I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO\n: > effect on homicide rates.  There were over 250 >accidental< handgun\n: > homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons.  More\n: > American children accidentally shot other children last year (15)\n: > than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain.  (Source: National\n: > Safety Council.  Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs\n: > TOTAL NUMBERS, okay?  They're offered for emphasis, not comparison).\n: > \n\n: You're a great debater.  You chose your sources of information, claim them\n: to  be superior,\n\nI've made no such claim.  Please direct my attention towards any\nposting of mine where I claimed superior sources of information.\nIt's probably because I bothered to post any references at all while\nothers seem content to post numbers pulled from the ozone, that\nyou've confused it with fact-twisting.  If so, I apologize.  \n\n: then take those twisted numbers and twist them further by trying  \n\nWell then, here's fair opportunity for you to prove that I've \"twisted\nnumbers.\"  On what grounds do you contradict those references?  Do you have\nany citations... any sources of your own that I can take similar\ngratuitous shots at?\n\n: to compare absolute numbers between two countries that have major population  \n: differences, the USA and GB, and then whine that you are afraid someone might  \n: attack your process, and so claim the numbers are for \"emphasis, not  \n: comparison\"?  Emphasis of what?\n\nNitpicking and scolding is a whiney debating style, Jim.\n\n: Anything else is blowing smoke.\n\nYou seddit, brudda.\n \n-- \nStephen Manes\t\t\t\t\t   manes@magpie.linknet.com\nManes and Associates\t\t\t\t   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o\n\n","951":"From: king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King)\nSubject: A Move we won't see (was Why The RedFlops Can(but won't) win.....)\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.ucsd.edu\nSummary: it would be tragic if ted simmons were to pick up mo vaughn\n\nstwombly@cs.ulowell.edu (Steve Twombly) writes:\n>1.  Mo Vaughn CAN hit .400 in the spring.\n>1b. Mo Vaughn CAN Only hit .230 during the season.\n\nExcellent point.  I hope to God that Ted Simmons doesn't get the weird\nidea of trading for the guy.  And if he does, he had better not\ninclude Jeff King in the deal.  Oh God--what if he traded Zane Smith\nand Jeff King for Vaughn and Greg Blosser?  It would be worse than The\nNichols Curse!\n\nHmm, I guess that doesn't sound sincere enough.  Oh well, at least I\ntried...\n\njking\n","952":"From: Aaron Herskowitz <aherskow@alleg.edu>\nSubject: For Sale: Borland C++ w\/ Application Frameworks 3.1\nReply-To: aherskow@alleg.edu\nOrganization: Allegheny College\n\n[Please excuse me if this is inappropriate to post here, but I do not read  \nthese groups normally and I did not see any PC related marketplace  \nnewsgroups]\n\nFOR SALE: Borland C++ with Application Frameworks 3.1 (Full Professional  \nDeveloper Kit)\n\nBorland C++ Programming Package including unopened software, unopened  \nmanuals, and registration card.\n\nSOFTWARE INCLUDES:\n1. *Still plastic wrapped* high density 5.25 inch disks for Borland C++:\n\ttotal of 18 diskettes in 2 individually wrapped packages, each\n\tdisk has \"Borland C++\" and \"BC++ & APP. FRAMEWORKS 3.1\" on label\n2. Amish System Utilities for Windows (one 5.25\" high density disk):\n\tAmish Launch\n\tAmish Desk Utilities for Windows\n3. Phar Lap's 286|DOS-Extender Lite Version 2.5 (one 5.25\" HD disk)\n\nMANUALS INCLUDE:\n1. *Still Plastic Wrapped* Manuals include (i.e. unopened):\n\tA. Boland Windows API Volumes:\n\t\tI: Reference Guide\n\t\tII: Reference Guide\n\t\tIII: Windows 3.1 Reference Guide\n\tB. Borland Turbo Debugger 3.0 User's Guide\n\tC. Borland Turbo Profiler 3.0 User's Guide\n\tD. Borland Turbo Assembler 3.0 Users Guide\n\tE. Borland C++ 3.1 User's Guide:\n\t\tintegrated environment\n\t\toptimization\n\t\tcommand line compiler\n\t\tinstallation\n\tF. Borland C++ 3.1 Programmer's Guide:\n\t\tlanguage structure, class libraries, advanced prgramming\n\t\ttechniques, anci c implementaion\n\tG. Borland C++ 3.1 Library Reference:\n\t\truntime library, global variables, cross-reference\n\tH. Borland C++ 3.1 Tools and Utilities Guide:\n\t\terror messages, winsightm make, help\/resource compilers,\n\t\ttlink\n\tI. Borland Object Windows for C++ User's Guide:\n\t\ttutorials, class reference\n\t\t\n2. Opened (no plastic wrapping, but unread) Manuals include:\n\tA. Borland Turbo Assembler 3.0 Quick Reference Guide\n\tB. Borland Turbo Vision for C++ User's Guide\n\tC. Borland Resource Workshop User's Guide\n\nThis package was purchased by a former employee of my father's and my  \nfather has asked me to try and sell it since neither of us have any use  \nfor it.\n\nRetails for $749, most software houses have it for approx. $480.  I am  \nasking $400.\n\nIf you are interested, please e-mail me directly because I do not normally  \nread this newsgroup.\n\n--\nAaron Herskowitz      [aherskow@alleg.edu]\nAllegheny College, Meadville, Pennsylvania\n","953":"From: PPORTH@hq.nasa.gov (\"Tricia Porth (202\")\nSubject: Remote Sensing Data\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nMmdf-Warning: Parse error in original version of preceding line at VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 137\n\n=================================================================\nI am posting this for someone else.  Please respond to the \naddress listed below.  Please also excuse the duplication as this \nmessage has been crossposted.  Thanks!\n=================================================================\n \n \n      REQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES \n                             VIA THE INTERNET\n \nNASA is planning to expand the domain of users of its Earth and space science\ndata.  This effort will:\n \n  o   Use the evolving infrastructure of the U.S. Global Change Research \n      Program including the Mission To Planet Earth (MTPE) and the Earth \n      Observing System Data and Information System (EOSDIS) Programs.\n \n  o   Use the Internet, particularly the High Performance Computing and \n      Communications Program's NREN (National Research and Education \n      Network), as a means of providing access to and distribution of \n      science data and images and value added products.\n \n  o   Provide broad access to and utilization of remotely sensed images in \n      cooperation with other agencies (especially NOAA, EPA, DOE, DEd, \n      DOI\/USGS, and USDA). \n \n  o   Support remote sensing image and data users and development \n      communities. \n \nThe user and development communities to be included (but not limited to) as\npart of this effort are educators, commercial application developers (e.g., \ntelevision weather forecasters), librarians, publishers, agriculture \nspecialists, transportation, forestry, state and local government planners, and\naqua business.\n \nThis program will be initiated in 1994.  Your assistance is requested to \nidentify potential applications of remote sensing images and data.  We would \nlike your ideas for potential application areas to assist with development of\nthe Implementation Plan.\n \nPLEASE NOTE: THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS.  \n \nWe are seeking your ideas in these areas: \n \n  (1)  Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images; \n \n  (2)  Potential noncommercial use of remote sensing data and images in \n       education (especially levels K-12) and other noncommercial areas;\n \n  (3)  Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data more \n       accessible;\n \n  (4)  Additional points of contacts for ideas; and \n \n  (5)  Addresses and names  from whom to request proposals. \n \nFor your convenience, a standard format for responses is included below.  Feel\nfree to amend it as necessary.  Either e-mail or fax your responses to us by\nMay 5, 1993.\n \nE-MAIL:   On Internet \"rsdwg@orion.ossa.hq.nasa.gov\"  ASCII  - No binary \nattachments please\n \nFAX:   Ernie Lucier, c\/o RSDWG, NASA HQ, FAX 202-358-3098\n \nSurvey responses in the following formats may also be placed in the FTP \ndirectory ~ftp\/pub\/RSDWG on orion.nasa.gov.  Please indicate the format. \nAcceptable formats are: Word for Windows 2.X, Macintosh Word 4.X and 5.X, and \nRTF.  \n \n \n \n----------------------------RESPONSE FORMAT--------------------------\n \nREQUEST FOR IDEAS FOR APPLICATIONS OF REMOTE SENSING DATABASES VIA THE INTERNET\n \n(1)  Potential commercial use of remote sensing data and images  (if possible,\nidentify the relevant types of data or science products, user tools, and\nstandards).\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(2)  Uses of remote sensing data and images in education (especially levels\nK-12) and other noncommercial areas (if possible, identify the relevant types\nof data or science products, user tools, and standards). \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(3)  Types of on-line capabilities and protocols to make the data and images\nmore accessible (if possible, identify relevant types of formats, standards,\nand user tools)\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(4)  Additional suggested persons or organizations that may be resources for \nfurther ideas on applications areas.  Please include: Name, Organization, \nAddress and Telephone Number.\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n(5)  Organizations, mailing lists (electronic and paper), periodicals, etc. to\nwhom a solicitation for proposals should be sent when developed.  Please \ninclude: Name, Organization, Address and Telephone Number.\n \n \n \n(6)  We would benefit from knowing why users that know about NASA remote \nsensing data do not use the data.  Is it because they do not have ties to NASA\ninvestigators, or high cost, lack of accessibility, incompatible data formats,\npoor area of interest coverage, inadequate spatial or spectral resolution, ...?\n \n \n \n \n \n(7)  In case we have questions, please send us your name, address, phone number\n(and e-mail address if you have one).  If you don't wish to send us this\ninformation, feel free to respond to the survey anonymously.  Thank you for\nyour assistance. \n \n \n","954":"From: grantk@nosc.mil (Kelly J. Grant)\nSubject: Strange 386 enhanced behavior...\nKeywords: 386 enhanced, Paradox\nOrganization: Computer Sciences Corporation\nLines: 45\n\nHowdy\n\nWe have been having a real problem with an AST 386sx\/16 machine with\n4mb of RAM.  We installed Paradox for Windows, (but I don't think \nParadox is the real problem here), and the installation went ok\n(windows is installed on a local drive, paradox installed on a novell\nnetwork (netware 386 v3.26 or greater), DOS 5, Win 3.1) but the program\nwill not load in 386 enchanted mode.  The thermometer bar goes to 60%\nand we then either get a 'invalid command.com' or a windows nastygram\ntalking about an illegal instruction.  I've checked out the command.com\nthing, but as a long-time C programmer, I've crashed my share of machines\nwith pointer problems and this is a standard behavior :-)\n\nAnyway, paradox will run in standard mode, but not enhanced.  We also have\nquattro pro windows, exhibiting the same behavior.  Spent about 2 hours\nwith Borland's tech people, with no avail.  The guy I talked to a microsoft\ndidn't want to really dig in and help, as he gave up pretty quickly.\nSomewhat disappointing, really.  I expected more from Microsoft.  You'd think\nwith all the millions of windows installations that they would have seen all\nthe possible problems, but I guess not...\n\nMicrosoft had sent us a 13 page fax on fixing UAE and General\nProtection faults (sorry, I can't fax anything out of here so please\ndon't ask, try Microsoft), which we tried.  We did *everything* they\nsaid, and still no luck.\n\nSo.  If you can help, please mail me.  This problem is driving us nuts.\nI will greatly appreciate any information anyone can pass on.\n\nThanks\n\nKelly\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTHIS IS THE REAL SIGNATURE...Please ignore the following demon signature..\n\nKelly J. Grant     grantk@nosc.mil\n4045 Hancock St    (619) 225-2562  \"The next time someone asks you if you\nSan Diego, CA 92110                 are a god, you say YES!\"  :-)\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-- \nKelly Grant        grantk@manta.nosc.mil   (619) 553-0850\nComputer Sciences Corp          ^^^^^^^^ Important: manta.UUCP won't get to me\n4045 Hancock Street      \"If you are given lemons.....see if you can trade for\nSan Diego, CA 92110       chocolate\" - me\n","955":"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: Partnership for an America Free Drug\nDistribution: na\nLines: 104\n\nrlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward) writes:\n>In article <bontchev.734981805@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:\n>>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American\n>>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of\n>\n>Have you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN \n>CONTEXT?  If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.\n>It refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals \n>to carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles.  \n\nThe Supreme Court seems to disagree with you -- they have stated that\n\"the people\" is a term of art refering to an individual right, and\nhave explicitly mentioned the second amendment as an example.\n\nI quote:\n\n  \"... 'the people' seems to have been a term of art employed in\n  select parts of the Constitution.  The Preamble declares that the\n  Constitution is ordained, and established by 'the people of the\n  the U.S.'  The Second Amendment protects the right of the people\n  to keep and bear Arms ....\"\n\t- Supreme Court of the U.S.,  U.S. v. Uerdugo-Uriquidez (1990).\n\nFurthermore, in the Miller decision, they only permitted prosecution\nfor possession of a sawed-off shotgun because the defense had not\npresented testimony and they therefore accepted the argument of the\ngovernment that such weapons have no military value -- they held that\nthe amendment protected the individual right to possess military\nweapons. Unfortunately, no second amendment case has successfully\ngotten to the court in fifty years. However, that does not change the\ninterpretation.\n\nFurthermore, it appears that others disagree with you as well, vis:\n\n \"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept,\n  and wording of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the\n  United States, as well as its interpretation by every major\n  commentator and court in the first half-century after its ratifi-\n  cation, indicates that what is protected is an individual right\n  of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner.\"\n   - Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the\n     Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate,\n     97th Congress, Second Session ( February 1982 )\n\nYou might rightfully ask \"well then, what does that first bit about\nmilitias mean?\"\n\nWell, \"militia\" in historical context basically means the whole of the\nadult males of the country. (Indeed, the U.S. Code still defines\n\"militia\" as all armed men over the age of 17).\n\n   \"The Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting\n    in concert for the common defense ....  And ... these men were\n    expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of\n    the kind in common use at the time.\"\n\t- Supreme Court of the United States,  U.S. v. Miller (1939).\n\nThe reason for the phrase being there was to explain the rationale\nbehind the amendment, which was this: by depending on the people to\nbear arms in defense of the country, no centralization of military\npower could ever occur which would permit tyranny -- in short, the\ngovernment would remain perpetually in fear of the people, rather than\nthe other way around.\n\n   \"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.  The strongest reason\n   for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last\n   resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.\"\n     - Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, June 1776\n       1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 (C. J. Boyd, Ed., 1950).\n\n   \"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not\n   warned from time to time that this people preserve the spirit of\n   resistance ?  Let them take arms ... The tree of liberty must be\n   refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.\"\n     - Thomas Jefferson (letter to William S. Smith, 1787, in\n       Jefferson, On Democracy 20, S. Padover, ed., 1939).\n\n   \"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed;\n   as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe.  The supreme\n   power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword;\n   because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute\n   a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on\n   any pretense, raised in the United States.\"\n     - Noah Webster, \"An Examination into the Leading Principles\n       of the Federal Constitution\" (1787), in Pamphlets on the\n       Constitution of the United States (P. Ford, 1888).\n\nYou may disagree with the second amendment, and wish that it be\nrepealed, but please do not pretend that it isn't there and that it\ndoesn't mean what it says. You might argue that conditions have\nchanged and that it should no longer be present, but you can't imagine\nit away.\n\nI could fill a book with detailed argumentation. Many have already.\n\nHowever, none of this has anything to do with cryptography.  Lets get\nit out of here. If you insist on discussing this, please do it in\ntalk.politics.guns, where people will gladly discuss this matter with\nyou.\n\n--\nPerry Metzger\t\tpmetzger@shearson.com\n--\nLaissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.\n","956":"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)\nSubject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem\nArticle-I.D.: cnsvax.1993Apr17.012019.6087\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire\nLines: 12\n\n[reply to mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)]\n \n>Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at\n>expressing it.  What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology.\n>Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that...\n \nThe guy didn't sound too shy to me.  He sounded like a jerk.  I say ditch\nhim for someone more knowledgeable and empathetic.\n \nDavid Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu).  Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI\nThis is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher\nmust learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell\n","957":"From: spiegel@sgi413.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Mark Spiegel)\nSubject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage)\nOrganization:  Personal Opinions Inc.\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.031840.18636@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca> maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n>In <DREIER.93Apr19195132@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:\n>\n>>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit\n>>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3.  Can someone who is not\n>>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game\n>>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for\n>>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for\n>>Gilmour).  If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever\n>>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the\n>>Red Wings win?\n>\n>Ah yes.  California.  Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that\n>Joe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired\n>San Jose Sharks coach George Kingston?  Apparently Montana is not only\n>coveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be\n>expected to quarterback the powerplay.\n\n\tClose Roger, but no banana, er avocado or is it artichoke ?!?\n\n\tGeracie in the Murky News said Kingston will be the new 49ers\n\tquarterback.  I'm still trying to determine if he is kidding\n\tor not :).  If I happen to pound down enuff pints sometime \n\tthis week I'll go back and check what stooper idiot Purdy\n\tsaid in his column.  That ought to be worth a few Leafs, I\n\tmean Laughs.   If I'm really depressed I'll read the SF Comicle.\n\n\tmark\n\n just say\n\n #####  #     #    #    ######  #    #   #####           ____                  \n#     # #     #   # #   #     # #   #   #     #            -_ --__             \n#       #     #  #   #  #     # #  #    #                    \\    --_          \n #####  ####### #     # ######  ###      #####                \\      -_        \n      # #     # ####### #   #   #  #          #                |       \\       \n#     # #     # #     # #    #  #   #   #     #    __________ \/         \\_____ \n #####  #     # #     # #     # #    #   #####  ___________ \/            \\_____\n______________________________________________________________________________\nMark Spiegel  spiegel@lmsc.lockheed.com   Cow Palace:108\/K\/8  Epicenter: ?\n\n","958":"From: rseymour@reed.edu (Robert Seymour)\nSubject: Re: WHAT car is this!?\nArticle-I.D.: reed.1993Apr21.032905.29286\nReply-To: rseymour@reed.edu\nOrganization: Reed College, Portland, OR\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.174246.14375@wam.umd.edu> lerxst@wam.umd.edu (where's my  \nthing) writes:\n> \n>  I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw\n> the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s\/\n> early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In  \naddition,\n> the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is \n> all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years\n> of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you\n> have on this funky looking car, please e-mail.\n\nBricklins were manufactured in the 70s with engines from Ford. They are rather  \nodd looking with the encased front bumper. There aren't a lot of them around,  \nbut Hemmings (Motor News) ususally has ten or so listed. Basically, they are a  \nperformance Ford with new styling slapped on top.\n\n>    ---- brought to you by your neighborhood Lerxst ----\n\nRush fan?\n\n--\nRobert Seymour\t\t\t\trseymour@reed.edu\nPhysics and Philosophy, Reed College\t(NeXTmail accepted)\nArtificial Life Project\t\t\tReed College\nReed Solar Energy Project (SolTrain)\tPortland, OR\n","959":"From: cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk\nSubject: Re: Xt intrinsics: slow popups\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, University of York, England\nLines: 33\n\ncjhs@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:\n: Help: I am running some sample problems from O'Reilly volume 4,\n: Xt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup\n: dialog boxes and so on.\n: \n: In example 3.5, page 76 : \"Creating a pop-up dialog box\"\n: \n: The application creates window with a button \"Quit\" and \"Press me\".\n: The button \"Press me\" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of\n: this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the\n: first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time), \n: it is *much* slower.\n: \n: Has anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get\n: this behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response\n: time from 2nd time onwards ?\n: Anyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time\n: they popup in reasonable fast response time ?\n: \n: Thankyou - Shirley\n\nThanks to those who responded.\n\nWe were able to prevent this behaviour by two methods:\n\n1) running twm rather than olwm\n2) keeping olwm, but putting \"wmTimeout: 10\" in the resources\n\nIt has been suggested that the difficuty was something to do with the\nwindow manager positioning the popup window. Any guru who can analyse\nwhat is going on from this information, please post and let us know.\n\nThanks -- Shirley\n","960":"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nSubject: Re: SHO and SC\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 53\nReply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, a207706@moe.dseg.ti.com (Robert Loper) says:\n\n>In article <C5L8rE.28@constellation.ecn.uoknor.edu> callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr15.232412.2261@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us> david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang) writes:\n>>>In article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:\n>>>>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:\n>>>>\n>>\n>>Why anyone would order an SHO with an automatic transmission is\n>>beyond me; if you can't handle a stick, you should stick with a\n>>regular Taurus and leave the SHO to real drivers. That is not to\n>>say that there aren't real drivers who can't use the stick (eg\n>>disabled persons), but they aren't in any position to use an\n>>SHO anyway. \n>>\n>>I would be willing to bet that if we removed the automatic\n>>transmissions from all \"performance-type\" cars (like the 5.0l\n>>Mustangs, Camaros, and the like) we'd cut down on the number of\n>>accidents each year. Autos are fine for sedate little sedans,\n>>but they have no business in performance cars, IMHO.\n>>\n>>\t\t\t\tJames\n>>\n>I have to disagree with this.  I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto\n>w\/ overdrive, and it is really better that way.  Chevy autos are reknowned\n>for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power.  I live \n>in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic \n>here.  Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be\n>more fun.  \n>\n>Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be    \n>shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here.\n>Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0\n>Camaro w\/ a five speed.  \n>\n>All of this IMHO... :)\n\nall of my HO's disagree with your HO's.  I LOVED Dallas rush hour in my stick..\ndetested it in the auto(like i did any other time in the auto...).  Of course,\nDalls rush hours are nothing, from what i hear..if i lived in LA, i might\nbe of a different persuasion.  And, just for the record, rarely do you shift\ngears when merging into traffic..that is what 5 speeds are good for..4th is\ngood up through around 80-90, most of the time, so you can just wind it out..\nit's not going to hurt anything, and keeps it in the powerband anyway..\nonly shift into top gear when you are exceeding redline in 4th(fairly rare,\nunless you drive a ferrari or some such, i'd bet) or when you hit cruising \nspeed where you feel comfortable(or when my mother is sitting in the \npassanger seat complaining about how you wind her \"poor little engine\" way\ntoo hi :-)\nJust my HO's..\n\nDREW\n","961":"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)\nSubject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!! (NOT!)\nOrganization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.\n\t<sandvik-150493181533@sandvik-kent.apple.com> \n\t<1993Apr16.181605.15072@ra.royalroads.ca> \n\t<sandvik-160493205451@sandvik-kent.apple.com>\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <sandvik-160493205451@sandvik-kent.apple.com> \nsandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr16.181605.15072@ra.royalroads.ca>,\n>mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:\n>> This brings up another question I still have to ponder:  why is there so \n>> much anti-Semitism?  Why do people hate Jews?  I don't hate Jews.  I consider\n>> them to be like anyone else, sinners we all are.\n>I don't know, I don't care about ethnical rights and wrongs myself,\n>but it's evident that Christians consider Jews no longer to be the \n>sole selected group of God's people -- while Jews consider this to\n>be the case.\n\nChristian anti-Semitism comes from the obvious fact that the Jews should\nknow the Hebrew Scriptures better than anyone else, yet they did not\nconvert to Christianity en mass, thus rejecting \"Christian Love.\"\n\n>No wonder this caused anti-Semitism. One might even\n>wonder that if Christianity didn't do this separation, would anti-Semitism\n>have even started?\n\nI don't see why not. Where are the rest of the tribal people? What\nhappened to the tribes of the Americas? Culture is seen as different and\nundesirable in the West, particular in the US with its failed \"melting\npot concept.\" Most tribes have been hunted to extinction, the Hebrew\ntribe is one of the few survivers from the Neolithic. Of course it\nbecomes difficult at times to separate Christianity from the Western\nexperience, so perhaps you are right, perhaps it would have been a better \nworld if the cultural experiment in Christianity never happened.\n","962":"From: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com (Rusty Foreman)\nSubject: Re: 17\" Monitors\nReply-To: zrdf01@trc.amoco.com\nOrganization: Amoco Production Company, Tulsa Research\nLines: 11\n\nHas anyone taken a look at the new ViewSonic 17? They claim 1280x1024 at 76Hz.\nHow does it compare with the T560i in terms of price, and quality of display?\n\n\n|-----|  Living on Tulsa time.....  \n   |   \n   |   Rusty Foreman  - - - - - - - - rforeman@trc.amoco.com\n   |   Amoco Production Research        {...uunet}!apctrc!zrdf01\n   |   P.O. Box 3385                      phone: (918) 660-3488\n   |   Tulsa, OK 74102                      fax: 918-660-4163\n\n","963":"From: gwieman@unl.edu (Gary Wieman)\nSubject: Cards sweep LA, Mets lose, Life is GOOD!\nOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln\t\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu\nKeywords: Cardinals\n\nJust a few lines about my favorite team sweeping the Dodgers (one of \nmy least favorite) in LA (Sweet!).  Also the Mets (my other least \nfavorite team) loss to the Rockies made this this a great day and a \ngreat start to the weekend as the Cardinals are on the ESPN tonight.\n\nBig Lee Smith is having a great start and the Cardinals seem to be\nhitting in the clutch even though they have had a few games with lots\nof hits and not many runs.  Hopefully with the coaches stress on\nsituational hitting in spring training, the runners LOB will be lower\nthis year (probably due to the high strikeout numbers by Jose and\nLankford and Zeile's off year).\n\nI don't know why all the fuss about the Fillies.  The media and all the \nFilly fans on r.s.b forget who is right behind them in the standings.  \nGive the Wild Thing a week or two before he starts blowing some games \nand we'll see who is in first then.  I believe the Cardinal pitching \nstaff is more complete than the Filly staff and that will make the\ndifference.\n\nOn a side note, a few years ago (5-6), a comment was made by some \nbaseball player or manager about the Dodger defense.  He was asked \nwhere to hit the ball against the Dodgers and he replied \"Fair.\"  I \nremember it being in the \"They Said It\" section of Sports Illustrated.\nI would like to know who said it and what issue it was in.\n\nGO REDBIRDS!!\n\nGary Wieman\n","964":"From: baileyc@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Christopher R. Bailey)\nSubject: How do I cause a timeout?\nSummary: how can I force a strip chart to update\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 20\n\n\nI have a problem where an Athena strip chart widget is not calling it's\nget value function.  I am pretty sure this is happening because I am\nnot using XtAppMainLoop, but am dealing with events via sockets.  (ya ya).\n\nAnyway, I want to cause a timeout so that the strip chart widget(s) will\ncall their get value callback.  Or if someone knows another FAST way around\nthis (or any way for that matter) let me know.  I cannot (or I don't think)\ncall the XtNgetValue callback myself because I don't have the value for\nthe third parameter of the get value proc (XtPointer call_data).  \n\nIn other words, I want to force a strip chart widget to update itself.\n\nAny ideas anyone?  \n\n-- \nChristopher R. Bailey            |Internet: baileyc@dendrite.cs.colorado.edu\nUniversity of Colorado at Boulder|CompuServe: 70403,1522\n\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\nRide Fast, Take Chances!\n","965":"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)\nSubject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...\nKeywords: NHL, awards\nArticle-I.D.: hydra.91528\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <C51CJB.L5z@ccu.umanitoba.ca> umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Daryl Turner) writes:\n>They were, and even if Washington might consider Patty a bust, I'd rework\n>that trade in a minute.  Druce has been a complete and utter bust here,\n>only 5 goals.\n\n\tWell, Druce pretty much sucked when he was with the Caps. He had one\ngood **playoffs** (not season). oh well. The Caps are notorious for making\nstupid trades anyway, as can be seen with the Cicarelli and Hrivnak trades.\nSigh.\n\tIn another note... I'd have to say the Caps biggest surprise was \nCote, as many Caps fans had been expecting a lot from Bondra already.\n \n\n\n-- \nGO SKINS!    ||\"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite\nGO BRAVES!   ||   an effect on you?\" - Mike Patton, Faith No More \nGO HORNETS!  ||\nGO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu\n","966":"From: JBF101@psuvm.psu.edu\nSubject: same-sex marriages\nOrganization: Penn State University\nLines: 17\n\nThere has been some talk recently of Latin rites from the early Church used to\nbless same-sex unions.If anyone has any idea where copies of these rites\nexist (in whole or in part), please notify me by e-mail.  (I understand that\nsimilar ceremonies written in Slavonic exist as well.  Let me know where I can\nfind these.)  It doesn't matter whether the Latin rite is in the original or a\ntranslation.  However, I would prefer to have an English version of the Slavon-\nic rite, if it exists.  Thanks in advance.\n\nDoug Hayes @ PSU\n\n[We've had questions about this in the past.  The only source I know\nof is claims by John Boswell in some talks.  He is said to be working\non publication, but as far as I know, nothing is published yet.  I\nhaven't heard of any other source.  If anyone knows of another source,\nplease tell us.  But I think we're going to have to wait for Boswell's\npublication to appear in order to see what he's really talking about.\n--clh]\n","967":"From: dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu (Jemaleddin Cole)\nSubject: Re: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s.\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: The Society for the Preservation of Cruelty to Homophobes.\nLines: 37\n\nIn <1993Apr14.101241.476@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes:\n\n>I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior\n>from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're-\n>The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought \n>that Catholics behaved better than this.\n>                                   Please do not stoop to the\n>level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think\n>that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud,\n>insulting and overbearingly self-righteous.\n\n(Pleading mode on)\n\nPlease!  I'm begging you!  Quit confusing religious groups, and stop\nmaking generalizations!  I'm a Protestant!  I'm an evangelical!  I don't\nbelieve that my way is the only way!  I'm not a \"creation scientist\"!  I\ndon't think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails!  \n\nIf you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling\nout (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists.  If you\ncompared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern \nBaptists, you would think that they were different religions!\n\nPlease, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the\nsame, so please don't write off all Protestants or all evangelicals!\n\n(Pleading mode off.)\n\nGod.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories......\n--\n\t\"Fbzr enval jvagre Fhaqnlf jura gurer'f n yvggyr oberqbz, lbh fubhyq\nnyjnlf pneel n tha.  Abg gb fubbg lbhefrys, ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbh'er \nnyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr.\"\n\t\t\t--Yvan Jregzhyyre\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n        Jemaleddin Sasha David Cole IV - Chief of Knobbery Research\n                        dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu\n","968":"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Re: Best Second Baseman?\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1pqvusINNmjm@crcnis1.unl.edu> horan@cse.unl.edu (Mark Horan) writes:\n>Sandberg is not particulary known for his stolen bases.  What competition did \n>Alomar have?  Sandberg came in a year after Ripken, and the same year as Boggs,\n>Gwynn, and the other magicians.  So less attention was given to Sandberg. \n>Alomar is the only one in his class to be worth a mediocre.  Besides the \n>numbers don't count.  National league pitchers are much better pitchers. \n\nYou're right: Thomas, Gonzalez, Sheffield, and Griffey don't even begin\nto compare with Ripken, Boggs, and Gwynn, so no wonder Alomar gets so\nmuch attention.\n\nSandberg got no attention his rookie year because his rookie year was\nterrible.  So was his sophomore year.\n\nNational League pitchers are \"much better pitchers\"?  That certainly explains\nSheffield's 1993, hm?  Are you confusing \"have ERA's that are 0.40 lower\nbecause they don't face DH's\" with \"much better\"?\n-- \nted frank                 | \"However Teel should have mentioned that though \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |  his advice is legally sound, if you follow it \nthe u of c law school     |  you will probably wind up in jail.\"\nstandard disclaimers      |                    -- James Donald, in misc.legal\n","969":"From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu)\nSubject: 512 kb VRAM SIMMs?\nNntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi\nReply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 12\n\n\nHi there!\n\nCould some kind soul tell me what is the price of LC\/IIvi\/IIvx\ncompatible 512kb VRAM SIMMs in the US nowadays? The price over here\n(Finland) is so ridiculously high (about $185 each in USD) that I\nthink it is worth the trouble to try to get them overseas.\n\nThanks\n\n--\nJartsu\n","970":"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)\nSubject: Selective Placebo\nX-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)\nOrganization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.\nLines: 34\n\n From: romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes:\n\nJB>    RR> \"I don't doubt that the placebo effect is alive and well with\nJB>    RR>  EVERY medical modality - estimated by some to be around 20+%,\nJB>    RR>  but why would it be higher with alternative versus conventional\nJB>    RR>  medicine?\"\nJB>  \nJB>  Because most the the time, closer to 90% in my experience, there is no\nJB>  substance to the 'alternative' intervention beyond the good intentions of the\nJB>  practitioner, which in itself is quite therapeutic. [.......]\nJB>\nJB>  John Badanes, DC, CA\nJB>  romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu\n\n   Well, if that's the case in YOUR practice, I have a hard time \n   figuring out how you even managed to make it into the bottom half\n   of your class, or did you create your diplomas with crayons?\n \n   If someone runs a medical practice with only a 10% success rate,\n   they either tackle problems for which they are not qualified to\n   treat, or they have no conscience and are only in business for\n   fraudulent purposes.\n\n   OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984\n   ran the heading: \"Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by\n   Drugs or Surgery,\" which has been echoed by several other reports.\n   No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since\n   the 20% magic of the \"placebo effect\" would award alternative \n   practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine...\n\n   --Ron--\n---\n   RoseReader 2.00  P003228: Purranoia: the fear your cat is up to something\n   RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363\n","971":"From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu\nSubject: last\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA\nLines: 20\n\nI have two questions:\n\n1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows.\n   When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text\n   disappears.  I tried to center two lines once, and the second\n   line disappeared.  I can not find the error, and I do not\n   know how to correct it.\n\n2) Is this the right newsgroup?  Where should I go?\n\nE-mail prefered...\n\n                                                  _____\nWho else is still waiting for \"Naked Gun Part (Pi) | |  \"\n\n''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/\n'\/''\/'Nathan'Narloch''\/''\/''\/'\"Alumn122@whscdp.whs.edu\"\/''\/''\/''\/'\n\/''\/'(Enforcer'Burp)'\/''\/''\/''or'\/'\"NARLOCHN@KIRK.MSOE.EDU\"'\/''\/''\n''\/''\/Milw,\/WI\/53207\/''\/'\"Join'the'Official'Psycho\/Team...\"\/''\/''\/\n'\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/''\/'\n","972":"From: A. Charles Gross <acg@eff.org>\nSubject: I have seen the lobby, and it is us\nX-Xxmessage-Id: <A7FAF1313A01AC87@l-b-johnson.eff.org>\nX-Xxdate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 17:40:17 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: l-b-johnson.eff.org\nOrganization: Electronic Frontier Foundation\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.113152.395@gems.vcu.edu> , langford@gems.vcu.edu\nwrites:\n>However, it's likely to be as hard or harder to exercise this right as it\n>is getting to exercise the other rights that the government is slowly\n>restricting.  Maybe the NRA _would_ be the best existing organization?\n>(Although I think a new one might be better, but perhaps would take too\nlong\n>to start up.  I would certainly join.)\n\nThe NRA is successful because (among a number of things), on the drop of\na hat, they can get a congresspersons office flooded with postcards,\nfaxes and phone calls.  Certainly, with our way-cool Internet powers of\norganization, we can act in the same way, if such action is appropriate.\n\nAs long as we are kept informed of events, anyone on this bboard can make\na call to action.  Hopefully, we're a strong enough community to act on\nthose calls.  I realize this is a little optomistic, and I'm glad EFF is\nworking in the loop on these issues, but don't underestimate the\npotential of the net for political action.\n\nAdam\n* I speak for myself\n","973":"From: swalker@uts.EDU.AU (-s87271077-s.walker-man-50-)\nSubject: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\nOrganization: University of Technology, Sydney\nLines: 12\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au\nSummary: Cooling Towers?. Anyone know how they work?\nKeywords: Nuclear\nOrganisation: University of Technology, Sydney, Australia\n\n\n\nI really don't know where to post this question so I figured that\nthis board would be most appropriate.\nI was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that\nare ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders\nthat have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the\nactual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called\n'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?\nI hope someone can help \n\n\n","974":"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)\nSubject: Cannanite genocide in the Bible\nLines: 6\nOrganization: Walla Walla College\nLines: 6\n\nexcuse me for my ignorance. But I remember reading once that the \nBiblical tribe known as the Philistines still exists...they are the modern \nday Palestinians.\nAnyone out there with more info, please post it!!!\n\nTammy\n","975":"From: daniels@NeoSoft.com (Brad Daniels)\nSubject: Fresco status?\nOrganization: NeoSoft Communications Services -- (713) 684-5900\nLines: 15\n\nI've been hearing rumblings about Fresco, and it sounds like it may be\nwhat I'm looking for, but how far is it from release, or at least some kind\nof availability?  How similar is it to InterViews?  If I code to InterViews,\nwill my code work with Fresco?  How about Motif?  I've heard some mention\nof versions of InterViews which support Motif.  Will it be feasible to use\nMotif with Fresco?\n\nAny information would be much appreciated.\n\n- Brad\n-- \nBrad Daniels\t\t`\t|  \"If money can't buy happiness,\ndaniels@neosoft.com\t\t|   I guess I'll have to rent it.\"\nI don't work for NeoSoft, and\t|\t\t- Weird Al Yenkovic\ndon't speak for my employer.\t|\n","976":"From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>\nSubject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?\nDistribution: world\nLines: 4\n\nAs a minor point of interest, earlier news reports claim to have\nbeen quoting the Governor of Texas when Her Holiness referred to\nthe Dividians as _Mormons_ and called for their expulsion\nfrom TX. Any Texans have details?\n","977":"From: nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz)\nSubject: First bike: Honda Ascot?\nOrganization: CompuServe Incorporated\nLines: 10\n\nHi folks.\n \nI'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82\nHonda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a\nreasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?\n \nThanks.\n \n-Nathan\n\n","978":"From: sra@idx.com\nSubject: Help w\/ Greenleaf CommLib 4.0?\nOrganization: IDX Corporation, S. Burlington, VT\nLines: 8\n\nHas anyone had experience with the new Greenleaf CommLib 4.0?  I can't even\nget their demo winterm to run at 4800 baud without dropping characters.\n\ntnx, steve\n\n  \/------------------------------------------------------------------------\\\n  >    Steve Alpert (W1GGN)  IDX Systems Corp.   Boston, Massachusetts     <\n  \\--------------------------- sra @ idx.com ------------------------------\/\n","979":"From: tvervaek@col.hp.com (Tom Vervaeke)\nSubject: Re: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it?\nOrganization: HP Colorado Springs Division\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: itchub21.cs.itc.hp.com\n\nMy wife and I looked at, and drove one last fall. This was a 1992 model.\nIt was WAYYYYYYYYY underpowered. I could not imagine driving it in the\nmountains here in Colorado at anything approaching highway speeds. I\nhave read that the new 1993 models have a newer, improved hp engine. \n\nI'm quite serious that I laughed in the salesman face when he said \"once\nit's broken in it will feel more powerful\". I had been used to driving a\nJeep 4.0L 190hp engine. I believe the 92's Land Cruisers (Land Yachts)\nwere 3.0L, the sames as the 4Runner, which is also underpowered (in my\nown personal opinion). \n\nThey are big cars, very roomy, but nothing spectacular.\n\n\n( ___ )-----------------------------------------------------------( ___ )\n | \/ | Tom Vervaeke           Email: tvervaek@cs.itc.hp.com        | \\ |\n | \/ | Hewlett Packard Co.    Phone: 719-590-2133                  | \\ |\n | \/ |                                                             | \\ |\n |___|          I love animals. They taste delicious.              |___|\n(_____)-----------------------------------------------------------(_____)\n","980":"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)\nSubject: Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only\nOrganization: DSI\/USCRPAC\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <WARLORD.93Apr20175546@deathtongue.mit.edu> warlord@MIT.EDU\n(Derek Atkins) writes:\n\n\n>\n>The point here is not the specific instance of the Wiretap Chip.\n>Rather, it is like having the government telling you that they want a\n>copy of your house key, safe-deposit box keys, etc., and telling you\n>that \"they wont use them unless its totally neccessary.\"  I sure\n>wouldn't want that.  Why should encryption be any different?\n\nActually the govrnment is telling you that if you want to use their\n\"product\" the manufacturer (actually better yet, some \"trusted\" pair\nof escrow agencies) has to have the key.\n\nMost of us already are in this situation--our car makers have keys to our\ncars (or can get them quickly from the VIN  number), and I have no doubt\nthat if presented with a court order, they'd surrender copies to the\ngovernment.\n\nChances are that many locksmiths have the code numbers for house locks\nthey've installed, and in an emergency can cut keys; thus they'd also\nprovide such keys to the government pursuant to a court order.\n\nThe state has no difficulty gaining access to your safe deposit box if they\nhave a court order.\n\nBad analogy.\n\nThis is not to argue for or against the proposal, but rather better\ndistinctions are required in thinking about it than \"house key, safe-deposit\nkeys, etc.\".\n\nDavid\n-- \nDavid Sternlight         Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n                         our information, errors and omissions excepted.  \n\n\n","981":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: After all, Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people there.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 297\n\nIn article <C5y56o.A62@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) writes:\n\n>article.  I have no partisan interests --- I would just like to know\n>what conversations between TerPetrosyan and Demirel sound like.  =)\n\nVery simple.\n\n\"X-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide \n against 2.5 million Muslims by admitting to the crime and making \n reparations to the Turks and Kurds.\"\n\nAfter all, your criminal grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim\npeople between 1914 and 1920.\n\n\n<C5yyBt.5zo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>\nhovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)\n\n>To which I say:\n>Hear, hear.  Motion seconded.\n\nYou must be a new 'Arromdian'. You are counting on ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF \ncrooks and criminals to prove something for you? No wonder you are in \nsuch a mess. That criminal idiot and 'its' forged\/non-existent junk has \nalready been trashed out by Mutlu, Cosar, Akgun, Uludamar, Akman, Oflazer \nand hundreds of people. Moreover, ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF criminals are responsible \nfor the massacre of the Turkish people that also prevent them from entering \nTurkiye and TRNC. SDPA has yet to renounce its charter which specifically \ncalls for the second genocide of the Turkish people. This racist, barbarian \nand criminal view has been touted by the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government \nas merely a step on the road to said genocide. \n\nNow where shall I begin?\n\n#From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet)\n#Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN\n#Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar\n#Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>\n\nFollowing is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar:\n\n>From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian)\n>Message-ID: <1154@urartu.SDPA.org>\n\n>In article <1991Jan4.145955.4478@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ahmet@eecg.toronto.\n>edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) asked a simple question:\n\n>[AP] I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any other\n>[AP] Turk was proven to lie.I can show tens of lies and fabrications of\n>[AP] Davidian, like changing quote , even changing name of a book, Anna.\n\n>The obvious ridiculous \"Armenians murdered 3 million Moslems\" is the most\n>outragious and unsubstantiated charge of all. You are obviously new on this \n>net, so read the following sample -- not one, but three proven lies in one\n>day!\n\n>\t\t\t- - - start yalanci.txt - - -\n\n[some parts are deleted]\n\n>In article <1990Aug5.142159.5773@cbnewsd.att.com> the usenet scribe for the \n>Turkish Historical Society, hbm@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu), continues to\n>revise the history of the Armenian people. Let's witness the operational\n>definition of a revisionist yalanci (or liar, in Turkish):\n\n>[Yalanci] According to Leo:[1]\n>[Yalanci]\n>[Yalanci] \"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks\n>[Yalanci] and on the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding\n>[Yalanci] their own affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed,\n>[Yalanci] the war was actually being waged between the Committee of \n>[Yalanci] Dashnaktsutiun and the Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and \n>[Yalanci] savage war in defense of party political interests. The Dashnaks \n>[Yalanci] incited revolts which relied on Russian bayonets for their success.\"\n>[Yalanci] \n>[Yalanci] [1] L. Kuper, \"Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century,\"\n>[Yalanci]     New York 1981, p. 157.\n\n>This text is available not only in most bookstores but in many libraries. On\n>page 157 we find a discussion of related atrocities (which is title of the\n>chapter). The topic on this page concerns itself with submissions to the Sub-\n>Commission on Prevention of Discrimination of Minorities of the Commission on\n>Human Rights of the United Nations with respect to the massacres in Cambodia.\n>There is no mention of Turks nor Armenians as claimed above.\n\n\t\t\t\t- - -\n\n>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!\n\n>The depth of foolishness the Turkish Historical Society engages in, while\n>covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, is only surpassed by the \n>ridiculous \"historical\" material publicly displayed!\n\n>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.SDPA.org>  | The life of a people is a sea, and  \n\nReceiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,\"Genocide...\" and\nwhat I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book\nwas like \"voice of Armenian revolutionists\" and although I read the whole book,\nI could not find the original quota.\nBut there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found \nthe original article of Mutlu.It is as follows:\n\n> According to Leo:[1]\n\n>\"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on\n> the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own \n> affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was\n> actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the\n> Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party\n> political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian\n> bayonets for their success.\" \n\n>[1] B. A. Leo. \"The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey,\" vol II,\n     ======================================================================\n>    p. 157.\n    ======\n\nQUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT !\n\nDAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU\nJUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR.\n\nDavidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly...\n\nYou are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow\nyou can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided\nnot to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise\nall the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least\nwe may save time by not dealing with your lies.\n\nAnd for the following line:\n>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!\n\nI also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you.\nI hope you will be drowned in your lies.\n\nAhmet PARLAKBILEK\n\n#From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat  Dogan)\n#Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu>\n\nIn article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\n>(Vedat  Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu.\n>11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:\n>\n \n>[(*] Source: \"Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922\" by A. Rawlinson,\n>[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) \n>[(*] (287 pages).\n>\n>[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published\n>[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page \n>[DD] 178, we are asked to believe:\n> \n>[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ... \n> \n>[VD]  It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!) \n>[VD]                         ********\n> \n>[VD]  and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you\n>[VD]  claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?..\n>  \n>Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the \nn>crap posted by Mr. [(*]!\n \n o boy!   \n \n Please, can you tell us why those quotes are \"crap\"?..because you do not \n like them!!!...because they really exist...why?\n \n As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source \n given by Serdar Argic .. \n  \n You couldn't reject it...\n \n>\n>In addition, the Author's Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK\n>was published in 1924.\n \n Here we go again..\n In the book I have, both the front page and the Author's preface give \n the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively!\n (Anyone can check it at her\/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of\n pages, please ask by sct) \n \n \nI really don't care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924)\nWhat I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in\nthe given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your\ngroundless accussations, etc. \n \n>\n[...]\n> \n>[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim!\n> \n>[VD] what is new?\n> \n>I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there \n>is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time!\n \n \n I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication)\n and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published\n in 1934(Serdar Argic's Reference) has..You couldn't reject it..but, now you\n are avoiding the real issues by twisting around..\n \n Let's see how you lie!..(from 'non-existing' quotes to re-publication)\n \n First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You\n called Serdar Argic a liar!..\n I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote...\n (I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could't reject it.)\n \n And now, you are lying again and talking about \"modified,re-published book\"\n(without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..)..\n (by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was\n  first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some 'pretty \n  well suited theories', as usual)\n \n And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who\n wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian's lies...I also give the call number\n and page numbers again for the library use, which are:  \n                 949.6 R 198\n   \n  and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215\n              \n     \n \n> \n>It is not possible that [(*]'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has\n>377!\n \n Now, are you claiming that there can't be such a reference by saying \"it is\n not possible...\" ..If not, what is your point?\n \n Differences in the number of pages?\n Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic's was in 1934..\n No need to use the same book size and the same letter \n charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!!\n \n The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year\n first published.. \n And you tried to hide the whole point..\n the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about\n how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given \n by Serdar Argic exist!! \n It was the issue, wasn't-it?  \n \n you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway? \n \n You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a \"crap\"..\n People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still\n has so many \"craps\" in the 1993. \n \n Any question?\n \n\n<C5wwqA.9wL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>\nhovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)\n\n>   Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to\n>lose count around 1.5 million.\n\nWell, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with. \nYou should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on\ndistortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel \nthat you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum \nyou will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to \nanother historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact.\n\nI will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line, \nlie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan \nto 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is \nnothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in \nx-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship, \nthat employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel \nfree to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF terrorists,\nthe Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian\ncriminal organizations.\n\nArmenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men,\nwomen and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and \nthose like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up.\n\nNot a chance.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n","982":"From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)\nSubject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b64635.student.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.225127.25062@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu (Mark McCullough) writes:\n>You exagerate to the point of libel.  I gave only unpopular reasons\n>deliberately.  Or do you think that we should have let Iraq absorb Kuwait?\n>I could make the tired old 1939 Poland comparison, but I think you've\n>heard it.  But the principle aplies, never play a Chamberlain and\n>roll over to another country being invaded.  That only invites further \n>invasions.\n\n\tPerhaps we ought not to have supported a known genocidist?\n\tProvided him with weapon systems, tactical support, technology,\netc.\n\n\tWe made Suddam Hussein.\n\n\tWhat did Bush call him? Oh yes, an ally and a freind.\n\n\n---  \n\n  \" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too.\"\n\n   John Laws\n   Local GOP Reprehensitive\n   Extolling \"Traditional Family Values.\"\n\n\n\n\n","983":"Subject: Re: Albert Sabin\nFrom: lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)\nDistribution: world,local\nOrganization: University of Arizona\nNntp-Posting-Host: skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \nLines: 53\n\nIn article <C5p660.36t@sunfish.usd.edu>, rfox@charlie.usd.edu writes...\n>In article <1993Apr15.225657.17804@rambo.atlanta.dg.com>, wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:\n>>|> >|> \n>>|> However, one highly biased account (as well as possibly internally \n>>|> inconsistent) written over 2 mellenia ago, in a dead language, by fanatic\n>>|> devotees of the creature in question which is not supported by other more \n>>|> objective sources and isnt  even accepted by those who's messiah this creature \n>>|> was supposed to be, doesn't convince me in the slightest, especially when many\n>>|> of the current day devotees appear brainwashed into believing this pile of \n>>|> guano...\n>>\n>>       Since you have referred to the Messiah, I assume you are referring\n>>        to the New Testament.  Please detail your complaints or e-mail if\n>>        you don't want to post.  First-century Greek is well-known and\n>>        well-understood.  Have you considered Josephus, the Jewish Historian,\n>>        who also wrote of Jesus?  In addition, the four gospel accounts\n>>        are very much in harmony.  \n> \n>Bill, I have taken the time to explain that biblical scholars consider the\n>Josephus reference to be an early Christian insert.  By biblical scholar I mean\n>an expert who, in the course of his or her research, is willing to let the\n>chips fall where they may.  This excludes literalists, who may otherwise be\n>defined as biblical apologists.  They find what they want to find.  They are\n>not trustworthy by scholarly standards (and others).\n> \n>Why an insert?  Read it - I have, a number of times.  The passage is glaringly\n>out of context, and Josephus, a superb writer, had no such problem elsewhere \n>in his work.  The passage has *nothing* to do with the subject matter in which \n>it lies.  It suddenly appears and then just as quickly disappears.\n\nI think this is a weak argument.  The fact is, there are *two* references to\nJesus in _Antiquities of the Jews_, one of which has unquestionably at least\nbeen altered by Christians.  Origen wrote, in the third century, that\nJosephus did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah, while the long passage\nsays the opposite.  There is an Arabic manuscript of _Antiquities of the\nJews_ which contains a version of the passage which is much less gung-ho\nfor Jesus and may be authentic.\n   There is no question that Origen, in the third century, saw a reference\nto Jesus in Josephus.  There are no manuscripts of _Antiquities_ which\nlack the references.\n\nIt is possible that it was fabricated out of whole cloth and inserted, but\nI don't think it's very likely--nor do I think there is a consensus in\nthe scholarly community that this is the case. (I know G.A. Wells takes\nthis position, but that's because he takes the very small minority view\nthat Jesus never existed.  And he is a professor of German, not of\nbiblical history or New Testament or anything directly relevant to\nthe historicity of Jesus.)\n\nJim Lippard              Lippard@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU\nDept. of Philosophy      Lippard@ARIZVMS.BITNET\nUniversity of Arizona\nTucson, AZ 85721\n","984":"From: daveb@pogo.wv.tek.com (Dave Butler)\nSubject: Re: NEW BIBLICAL CONTRADICTIONS [still not] ANSWERED (Judas)\nOrganization: Tektronix, Inc., Wilsonville,  OR.\nLines: 180\n\nMr DeCenso, in spite of requiring Scholarly opinion on the hanging of Judas,\nrejects that the scholarly opinion of the those scholars and then rephrases\nthose scholars opinion on the subject:\n\n> ...we do know from Matthew that he did hang himself and Acts probably records\n> his death.  Although it's possible and plausible that he fell from the hanging\n> and hit some rocks, thereby bursting open, I can no longer assume that to be\n> the case.  Therefore, no contradiction.  Matthew did not say Judas died as a\n>                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> result of the hanging, did he?  Most scholars believe he iprobably did, but..?\n> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> \n> I quoted all that to show that I highly regard the scholars' explanations, but\n> in looking at the texts initially, we can't assume Judas died.  It is, \n> however, highly probable.                   ^^^^^^\n\nand \n\n> Also, there is nothing in the Greek to suggest success or failure.  It simply\n> means \"hang oneself\".\n\nActually, if you do further research as to the Greek word \"apacgw,\" you will\nfind that it does denote success.  Those scholars did indeed have an excellent\nreason to assume that the suicide was successful.  As I pointed out, I\nrecently checked several Lexicons:\n\n\t\"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament,\" Louw and Nida\n\t\"Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New Testament\"\n\t\"Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament,\" Grimm\n\t\"Word study Concordance,\" Tynsdale\n\t\"A Greek English Lexicon of the New Testament and other \n\t early Christian Writings,\" Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich\n\t\"The New Analytical Greek Lexicon,\" Perschbacher\n\nA couple simply stated \"hanged oneself\", and a couple were more explicit \nand stated that \"apacgw\" means specifically \"kill yourself by hanging.\" A\ncouple also noted that the meaning of one the root words for \"apacgw\" is\n\"strangle, throttle or choke\" (which pretty much invalidates the guy who\nsuggested to David Joslin that Judas was hung upside down).  One of the best\nreferences though, \"Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon of the New\nTestament,\" not only stated the translation, it gave both the root words, the\nliteral translation, related greek words which use the same roots, and also\nother presented specific examples of the word in greek literature (to give\nfurther context).  \n\nThe word \"apagchw\" has two root words: \"gchw\" is the \"to strangle\" root, and\nthe root word \"apo\" means literally \"away.\" This root words is included in\nwords which denote a transition.  It can mean a transition in place (eg: the\ngreek word \"apagello\" means to send a message).  \"Apo\" can also denote a\nchange in state and specifically the change from life to death.  Robinson\nspecifically makes comparison to the word \"apokteiuo,\" which means \"to kill.\"\nIn literal meaning the word \"apacgw\" means \"to throttle, strangle to put out\nof the way,\" and implicitly denotes a change in life state (ie: away from\nlife, to death).  So while the word \"apacgw\" does mean \"to hang,\" it\nspecifically denotes a death as well.  Thus Robinson is quite specific when he\nstate that it means \"to hang oneself, to end one's life by hanging.\" He then\nnotes the the use of \"apacgw\" in Homers Odessy 19:230 to denote context.  He\npresents that example of \"apacgw\" as being used to explicitly mean \"suicide by\nhanging.\" Now since there is a perfectly good word for strangling, without the\nadded denotation of \"death,\" and as you insist that the Bible was written by\nGod, and every word is precicely correct, you are stuck with the complete\nmeaning of \"apacgw\" (ie: Since the word \"apacgw\" was used, then death is\ndenoted as the result). \n\nBy the way, I note that Mr DeCenso also presents an example of \"apacgw\":\n\n> In the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the OT used at the time of Jesus),\n> it's only used in 2 Samuel 17:23 : \"Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice \n> was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house,\n> to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and \n> died; and he was buried in his father's tomb.\"   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> ^^^^ \n> Notice that not only is it stated that Ahithophel \"hanged himself\" [Gr. Sept.,\n> APAGCHO], but it explicitly adds, \"and died\".  Here we have no doubt of the\n> result.\n> In Matthew, we are not explicitly told Judas died.\n\nNote Mr DeCenso, as you say, the Septuagint was a translation from Hebrew to\nGreek, and you have not shown the original meaning of the Hebrew (ie\" the the\nHebrew say \"and died\"), and thus whether it was simply echoed in the Greek. \nIt should also be pointed out that, regardless of the added \"and died\", the\ncorrect translation would still be \"apacgw,\" as the man did indeed die from\nstrangulation (redundant, but correct).  Further, we have evidence that the\nSeptuagint was repeatedly rewritten and reedited (which included versions\nwhich contradicted each other), and such editing was not even necessarily\nexecuted by Greeks.  Thus I am not sure that you can use the Septuagint as it\nnow stands, as a paragon of ancient greek.  So, what you really need to prove\nyour point Mr DeCenso, is an example, in ancient greek, of someone committing\n\"apacgw\" and surviving.  Otherwise I would see you as simply making worthless\nassertions without corresponding evidence. \n\nNow I would note Mr DeCenso, that everytime I go out of my way to research it\none of your apparently contrived exegisis, I pretty much find it false.  Thus,\nI think that if you are going to add to the text, something over and above\nwhat the source clearly says, then you had better have an explicit Greek or\nhistorical source to justify it. \n\nBy the way, as to Mr Rose's statement about trees around the Potter's Field:\n\n> There are still trees around the ledges and a rocky pavement at the bottom.\n\nUnless Mr Rose can show that these trees are two thousand years old, or that\nthere are 2000 year old stumps there, or has a 2 thousand year old description\nof the area which mentions such trees, then it is inappropriate for him to\nassert that the present placement of trees prove the location of the trees two\nthousand years ago (after all, things change). \n\nNow as to your other argument, ie: that the money Judas used is not the same\nas the 30 silvers:\n\n> As to your second question Mr DeCenso, you ask how we could be sure that the\n> money with which Judas purchased the land, was indeed for the betrayal, rather\n> than some other source.  I would point out that in Acts, where it specifically\n> mention \"the reward of iniquity\" [Acts 1:18], it also specifically mentions\n> what act of iniquity they were talking about (ie: Acts 1:16 \"...concerning\n> Judas who was guide to those who arrested Jesus.\").  Now I would point out\n> that when the Bible describes an act of \"iniquity,\" and then immediately\n> discusses \"*the* reward of iniquity,\" it would be rather inane to suggest that\n> it was an action of iniquity other than the one discussed.\"\n> \n>  \n> Notice that in verse 16, the word \"iniquity\" is not used.  Rather, it states\n> that Judas \"became a guide to those who arrested Jesus\".\n> But the writer DID NOT stop there...vs. 17, \"for he was numbered with us and\n> obtained a part in this ministry.\"  What part did Judas play in their ministry?\n>          ^^^^^^\n\nTrue, Peter (or the author of Acts) does not specifically call Judas' betrayal\n\"an iniquity,\" but for that matter, neither does John specifically call Judas'\nactions \"an iniquity\" either.  Further John 13:29 did not say that Judas took\nthe money box, but rather said:\n\n    \"Some thought that because, Judas had the money box, Jesus was telling\n     him \"Buy what we need for the feast\"; or that he should give something\n     to the poor, So after receiving the morsel he immediately went out, and\n     it was night.\"\n\nNote that it is said that Judas left, it does not say that he took the money\nbox.  Thus when I see your explanation it still seems to me you would choose\nthe a an unproven iniquity, mentioned by another author, in a different\nbook, written at a different time, over the iniquity explicitly mentioned by\nthe author of acts.  I find this forced and contrived. \n\nOf course this particular argument becomes moot, since we have have seen\nevidence that \"apacgw\" means suicide.  You see, since Judas' hanging was\nsuccessful, he could not have spent the money mentioned in John 13:29, because\nMatthew and Mark explicitly say the betrayal was on the high holy day (ie:\nPassover), and thus he could not have spent the money before killing himself\nthe next day.  Thus the money which bought the \"Field of Blood\" would have to\nhave been the 30 pieces of silver (Of course he got the 30 pieces of silver\nthat night as well, and thus couldn't have spent that either.  Oh dear, I\nbelieve that the house of cards is comming down). \n\nMaybe we should at this point, discuss now whether Jesus was crucified on\nFriday or Saturday as that is now part of the argument about Judas.\n\nBy the way, as to where the prophesy of the Potter's field came from (ie: the\nmention of it in Matthew), you say:\n\n> Please, when we are done with this study on his death, remind me to discuss\n> this with you.\n\nI am reminding you now to discuss it now. It's all part of the same verse we\nare discussing, and I wish you would quit procrastinating and sidestepping \nthese issues.\n \n\t\t\t\tLater,\n\n\t\t\t\tDave Butler\n\n\tA wise man proportions his belief to the evidence.\n\t\t\t\tDavid Hume, Philosopher\n\t\t\t\tAn Inquiry Concerning Human Understanding\n\n    PS. I would note again, that you are not stating that that Bible\n    is not possibly inerrant; you are stating that it *IS* inerrant.\n    Since you have been, by your own admission, presenting merely \"possible\"\n    reconciliations (I of course don't rate them that highly), then the \n    best you can do is say that the Bible is \"possibly\" inerrant, not that \n    it *is* inerrant.\n","985":"From: august1@server.uwindsor.ca (AUGUSTYN  ROBERT         )\nSubject: Address interliving?\nOrganization: University of Windsor, Ontario, Canada\nLines: 4\n\nWhat is address interliving? and memmory modules  interliving?\nThanks in advance for the info.\nRobert.\n\n","986":"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)\nSubject: Pens box score 4\/14\nNntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 44\n\nPens-6 NJ Devils-6\n\nFIRST PERIOD: SCORING: 1, Pittsburgh, Daniels(Needham, Tippett)4:14.\n2, NJ Devils, C. Lemieux(Semak, Driver)10:19.  3, Pittsburgh, Stevens\n(Tocchet, Murphy)12:40ppg.  4, NJ Devils, Zelepukin(Driver, Niedermayer)\n17:26.  PENALTIES: PGH, Stevens(roughing)1:30.  NJD, Pellerin-double\nminor(cross-checking)1:30.  NJD, Zelepukin(tripping)7:21.  NJD,\nStasny(holding)11:15.  PGH, Taglianetti(roughing)13:51.  NJD, Lemieux\n(roughing)13:51.  PGH, Jagr(tripping)15:23.\n\nSECOND PERIOD: SCORING: 5, Pittsburgh, Lemieux(Murphy, Tocchet)1:42.\n6, NJ Devils, Semak(Lemieux, Zelepukin)2:27.  7, Pittsburgh, McEachern\n(Jagr, Barrasso)4:24.  8, NJD, Stevens(Guerin, Pellerin)5:45.  9,\nPittsburgh, Lemieux(unassisted)12:40shg.  10, NJ Devils, Richer\n(Nicholls)15:53.  11, NJ Devils, Lemieux(Zelepukin)17:40.  PENALTIES:\nPGH, Stevens(roughing)3:06.  NJD, McKay(roughing)3:06.  PGH, Mullen\n(hooking)10:42.  PGH, Tocchet(roughing)12:06.  NJD, Stevens(slashing)\n12:06.  NJD, Lemieux(unsportsmanlike conduct)12:40.  PGH, U.\nSamuelsson(cross checking)20:00.  PGH, Barrasso-double minor(spearing)\nserved by McEachern, 20:00.  NJD, Holik(cross checking)20:00.  NJD,\nLemieux(roughing)20:00.\n\nTHIRD PERIOD: SCORING: 12, Pittsburgh, Mullen(Jagr, Lemieux)18:54.\nPENALTIES: NJD, Daneyko(interference)3:37.  PGH, Stevens(roughing)\n9:18.  NJD, Holik(roughing)9:18.  PGH, match penalty-game misconduct,9:50.\nNJD, Zelepukin(tripping)12:01.  PGH, Stevens(roughing)18:41.  NJD,\nDaneyko(roughing)18:41.\n\nOVERTIME: SCORING: No scoring.  PENALTIES: No penalties.\n\nSHOTS ON GOAL:\nPittsburgh: 9-11-8-2=30\nNJ Devils: 12-15-9-3=39\n\nGOALIES:\nBarrasso(39 shots, 33 saves. 43-14-5)\nBillington(30 shots, 24 saves)\n\nREF: Devorski  Linesmen: Gauthier, Vines\n\nLori\nContact for the Penguins\nlli+@cs.cmu.edu\n\n","987":"From: kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn)\nSubject: Re: Tigers-A's\nOrganization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)\nLines: 11\nNntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.185317.12231@sbcs.sunysb.edu> wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt) writes:\n>\n>Weird thing:  Leading 20-4 going into the top of the ninth, Sparky\n>\t      used his ace closer, Henneman.  The tigers have 8 relievers\n>\t      and at least 6 were rested\/available.  Does Sparky trust\n>\t      them that little ?\n\nI think he just wanted to get Henneman some work, because the \nTigers had days off both the day before and the day after.\n\nJim\n","988":"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Re: army in space\nLines: 13\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\n\nLast I had heard because of budget and such the Air Farce is the only \"Space\nCommand\" left.. The rest missions were generally given to the Air Farce..\n\nProbably a good reason for me to transfer from the Army Guard to the Air\nGuard..\n\nI hate walking with a pack on my back, and how do you put on your application\nfor a job as a kitchen worker, that you have done a lot of KP (Kitchen\nPolice)..\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\n\n","989":"From: remmons@iat.holonet.net (Robert Emmons)\nSubject: Re: MAIL ORDER\nArticle-I.D.: iat.C535JA.Fvx\nOrganization: HoloNet National Internet Access BBS: 510-704-1058\/modem\nLines: 24\n\n>If you get good service from a shop, or they regularly have merchandise\n                 ^^^^^^^\n>in stock you need, or they have a knowledgable and\/or friendly sales\n                                                       ^^^^^^^^\n>staff, or if for whatever other reason you would like to do business\n>with them, which will in the aggrigate keep them in business and\n>available to fill your future needs, but they charge more for an item\n>than another store, you can usually purchase the item in the store of\n>your choice, and pay the lowest legitimate price being offered\n>elsewhere.\n\n\nSounds pretty lame to me.\n\nLet me see if I understand now. Your \"friends\" charge you extra?\nJust how much do you usually have to pay for a little\nfriendliness? Seems like you're being \"serviced\" by some\n\"friendly\" sales people.\n\n\n \nRobert Emmons                 Never hesitate to sacrifice clarity\nCalcShop Inc.                 and maintainability to save precious\nremmons@holonet.net           picoseconds during program execution. \n","990":"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: New Apple Ergo-Mouse\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 19\n\nnwcs@utkvx.utk.edu (Schizophrenia means never being alone) writes:\n\n>Does anyone know how to open up the Apple Ergo-Mouse (ADB Mouse II)?\n>Mine lives near a cat (true, really...) and picks up her fur.  From what\n>I can tell, it looks like Apple welded it shut.\n\n    You must not have tried very hard. I just opend mine in about 2\nseconds. Take a look on the bottom, it has a dial that turns to open\nmuch like the older ADB mouses used to have. It's a bit harder to turn\nat first but it is quite simple to open.\n\n>Also, does anyone know about installing FPUs in a Mac LC III?  I've heard some\n>people saying it has fried the motherboard of the LC III.\n\n    Well, if you don't match up the pins correctly you will have some\nproblems. A close look at the socket should give you an idea of the\nproper orientation of the chip.\n\n-Hades\n","991":"From: rvpst2+@pitt.edu (Richard V Polinski)\nSubject: Re: Winning Streaks\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <93105.053748RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu> RAP115@psuvm.psu.edu (Robbie Po) writes:\n \n>\n>      The Penguins 18 game unbeaten streak carries over to next season.\n>Meaning, if they start the season with another 18 game unbeaten streak, they\n>will have eclipsed the Flyers record.  Right now, the Penguins are on an 11\n>game winning streak, as streaks carry over from one year to another.\n\nHmmmm, I'm not sure this is true.  According to Mike Lang and good old\nStagie, along with the rest of the TV crews in pittsburgh, they \nwinning streak could have stopped because it is a regular season mark.\nI would think this would also hold with an unbeaten streak for regular\nseason games.\n\nHowever, you are right that the playoff streak does carry over from\nlast year.  And with 1 more win, I believe they tie an Edmonton record\n(but don't quote me on that one).\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>** Robbie Po **          PGH PENGUINS!!!    \"It won't be easy, but it\n>Contact for the '93-'94  '91 STANLEY CUP    will have greater rewards.\n>Penn State Lady Lions    '92 CHAMPIONS      Mountains and Valleys are\n>rap115@psuvm.psu.edu     11 STRAIGHT WINS!  better than nothing at all!\"\n\n\n","992":"From: domain@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (george.d.hodge)\nSubject: Dayton Hamfest\nSummary: Where and when is Dayton Hamfest\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 14\n\n\nSome weeks ago, someone posted an article telling when and where\na hamfest and computerfest was going to be help in Dayton, OH.\nUnfortunately, I lost the article and I was wondering if someone\ncould repost it.\n\nI believe it was being held the 23,24,and 25 of this month at\nthe Dayton convention center but I'm not sure.\n\nAny help and more details would be greatly appreciated.\n\n\t\tgeorge.d.hodge\n\t\tdomain@cbcat.att.com\n\n","993":"From: kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco)\nSubject: Re: Boom!  Whoosh......\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sgi1.wag.caltech.edu\n\nIn article <37147@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> wats@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM (Bruce Watson) writes:\n>+\n>Pageos and two Echo balloons were inflated with a substance\n>which expanded in vacuum. \n\nCalled \"gas\".\n\n>Once inflated the substance was no longer\n>needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse.\n>This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no \n>disastrous deflation.\n\nThe balloons were in sufficiently low orbit that they experienced\nsome air resistance.  When they were finally punctured, this \npreasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain\na spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to\ncatastrophically deflated.  The large silvered shards\nthat remained were easily visible for some time before\nreentry, though no longer useful as a passive transponder.\n\nThe billboard should pop like a dime store balloon.\n\n","994":"From: gak@wrs.com (Richard Stueven)\nSubject: Re: Octopus in Detroit?\nReply-To: gak@wrs.com\nOrganization: Wind River Systems, Inc.\nLines: 10\nNntp-Posting-Host: gakbox\n\nIt's in the FAQ.\n\nhave fun\ngak\n\n---\nRichard Stueven       AHA# 22584 |----------| He has erected a multitude of new\nInternet:            gak@wrs.com |----GO----| offices, and sent hither swarms\nATTMAIL: ...!attmail!gakhaus!gak |---SHARX--| of officers to harass our people,\nCow Palace:            107\/H\/3-4 |----------| and eat out their substance.\n","995":"From: ibeshir@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ibrahim)\nSubject: Terminal for sale\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math\/CS dept.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 5\n\nI have a vt200 and vt100 compatible terminal\nwith 1200 external hyess modem\namber screens 101 keyboard,cable\nmake an offer\n0\n","996":"From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)\nSubject: Re: Remember those names come election time.\nKeywords: usa federal, government, international, non-usa government\nNntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <C5u4qI.Mz4@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:\n>                                \n>  BTW, with Bosnia's large Moslem population, why have nations like \n>  Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and others with either money \n>  or strong military forces not spoken out more forcibly or offered \n>  to help out Bosnia?   \n\nObviously, you really don't know.\n\nThey *have* spoken out (cf Sec'y of State Christopher's recent trip to the ME),\nthey have provided millions in aid, and they have participated in the airlifts\nto Sarajevo.  They *would* supply military aid, if the UN would lift the embargo \non arms sales. \n\n>  The Turkish ambassador has ocassionally said\n>  a thing or two, but that's all; I see no great enthusism from any \n>  of those places to get *their* hands dirty.    Why does the US always\n>  get stuck with this stuff?\n>\n\nSee above.  (Kuwait has directly participated in the airlift of food to\nSarajevo.)\n\n>  Besides, there's no case that can be made for US military involvement\n>  there that doesn't apply equally well to, say, Liberia, Angola, or\n>  (it appears with the Khmer Rouge's new campaign) Cambodia.   Non-whites\n>  don't count?\n\nHmm...some might say Kuwaitis are non-white. Ooops, I forgot, Kuwaitis are\n\"oil rich\", \"loaded with petro-dollars\", etc so they don't count.\n\n>\n>\n>---peter\n>\n>\n>\n\n\n","997":"From: DJCOHEN@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu (Daniel Cohen)\nSubject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650\nNntp-Posting-Host: yalevm.ycc.yale.edu\nOrganization: Yale University\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.181440.15490@waikato.ac.nz>\nldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:\n \n>I've noticed an interesting phenomenon on my Centris 650. If I unplug the\n>keyboard and mouse and plug them in again without turning the power off,\n>the mouse suddenly switches to about half its normal movement speed. I check\n>the \"Mouse\" control panel, and there's no change in its setting there--it's\n>still on full speed, the way I like it. Restarting the machine restores the\n>normal mouse speed.\n>\n>By the way, it happens with both the newer-style mouse that came with the\n>Centris, and the older-style mouse from my IIfx at work. Thus I don't think\n>it has anything to do with the resolution setting in the mouse--it's\n>definitely a quirk of the ADB interface (either hardware or software) in the\n>Centris itself.\n \nI have noticed this exact same phenomenon occurs with my LCIII.  Perhaps it is\na quirk of the new machines?\n \n--Dan\n","998":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: request for information on \"essential tremor\" and Indrol?\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1q1tbnINNnfn@life.ai.mit.edu> sundar@ai.mit.edu writes:\n\nEssential tremor is a progressive hereditary tremor that gets worse\nwhen the patient tries to use the effected member.  All limbs, vocal\ncords, and head can be involved.  Inderal is a beta-blocker and\nis usually effective in diminishing the tremor.  Alcohol and mysoline\nare also effective, but alcohol is too toxic to use as a treatment.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","999":"From: dxf12@po.cwru.edu (Douglas Fowler)\nSubject: Re: Christian Parenting\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 83\n\n\n     Sorry for posting this, but my e-mail keeps bouncing.  Maybe it will\nhelp others here, anyway, and therefore I pray others will read this.  It is\nactually a response from my Aunt, who has 5 kids, since I have none yet.\n\n>Hi I am a Sociology student and I am currently researching into\n>young offenders.  I am looking at the way various groups of\n>children are raised at home.  At the moment I am formlulating\n>information on discipline within the Christian home.\n>\n>Please, if you are a parent in this catagory can you email me\n>your response to the following questionaire.  All responses\n>will be treated confidentially and will only be used to prepare\n>stats.\n     I'm posting this for a good Christian relative who does not have e-mail\naccess.  Since this aunt and uncle have 5 kids I felt they would be more\nrelevant than I, who have none (yet).\n\n>1.  Ages & sexes of children\n     13-year-old (13YO) twins, 10YO boy, 6.5YO boy, 2YO girl\n\n>2.  Do you spank your kids?\n     I don't call it spanking, but they do, so yes, very rarely.\n\n>3.  If so how often?\n     I don't call it spanking because it's more of a reaction to something\nvery dangerous, such as trying to stick their finger in a fan or running\ninto the road.  Maybe 3-4 times for each except for the 2YO girl, who has\nnot been spanked yet.\n     They call it that because it *does* hurt their feelings, and of course\nI give all the hugs and stuff to ensure they know they're still loved.\n\n>4.  Do you use an implement to spank with?\n     No, that would be too painful.  If it's too traumatic they never recall\nwhy they were punished.  Besides, it must be immediate, and taking the time\nto go get a toolmeans you're not doing it right away, and that lessens the\nimpact.  It's very emotional for a child as it is - which is evidenced by the\nfact that a little slap on the rear - which hurts for perhaps 5 seconds -\nis called a spanking.\n>\n>5. If you do not spank, what method of discipline do you use?\n     Lots of logical consequences - for instance, when 4YO Matthew dared\na good friend to jump out of his treehouse or he would push him out, I made\nsure they didn't play together for 5 days so he'd know that would make him\nlose friends very quickly.  He's never done anything like that since.\n     We also use time-out in their rooms - I use a timer so they don't keep\narguing with me over leaving, since it's hard to argue with a macine.\nI will go to the closed door and tell them timeout won't be over until they\ncalm down if they're too tantrumy.  I use the top of the stairs when they're\nreally young.\n\n>6.  Your age?\n     40\n\n>7.  Your location\n     Bath, Ohio.  It's right outside of Akron, in the northeast part of Ohio.\n\n>8.  While under the age of 16 did you ever commit a criminal\n>offence?\n     No, and none of my kids would dream of it.  I hope you can use this to\nteach all parents that physical punishment isn't always required - parents use\nthat as an excuse to hit too hard.\n\n>9.  How ere you disciplined as a kid\n     Lots of timeouts, same as I use.  Our family and my husband's have never\nused spankings.  In fact, my grandmother in law was one of 11 kids, and they\nwere almost never spanked.  This was around the turn of the century.  And,\nnone of us has ever been afoul of the law - man-made or God's law.\n     Jesus says, referring to a small child whom he is holding, that \"what\nye do to the least of these, ye do also to me.\"  The Bible also says in all\nthings to be kind, and merciful, and especially loving. (Colossians 3:12-15.)\nThere is no room for selfish anger, which I'll admit I've been tempted with\nat times.  When I've felt like spanking hard in anger, maybe the kid deserved\na little slap on the rear, but what I would have given would have been the\ndevil's work.  I could feel the temptation, and just angrily ordered the kid\nto his\/her room and went to my room myself.  After praying and asking God's\nforgiveness, I was much calmer, and did not feel like spanking, but felt that\nwhat I had done was enough punishment.\n-- \nDoug Fowler: dxf12@po.CWRU.edu  : Me, age 4 & now: \"Mommys and Daddys & other\n    Ever wonder if, after Casey : relatives have to give lots of hugs & love\nmissed the 3rd strike in the poem: & support, 'cause Heaven is just a great\nhe ran to first and made it?     : big hug that lasts forever and ever!!!\"\n","1000":"From: dabl2@nlm.nih.gov (Don A.B. Lindbergh)\nSubject: Diamond SS24X, Win 3.1, Mouse cursor\nOrganization: National Library of Medicine\nLines: 10\n\n\nAnybody seen mouse cursor distortion running the Diamond 1024x768x256 driver?\nSorry, don't know the version of the driver (no indication in the menus) but it's a recently\ndelivered Gateway system.  Am going to try the latest drivers from Diamond BBS but wondered\nif anyone else had seen this.\n\npost or email\n\n--Don Lindbergh\ndabl2@lhc.nlm.nih.gov\n","1001":"From: danmg@grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM (Daniel Adams)\nSubject: Re: BMW 3 series for 94?\nNntp-Posting-Host: grok85.columbiasc.ncr.com\nReply-To: dan@Grok85.ColumbiaSC.NCR.COM\nOrganization: NCR Corporation\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1qll56INNp9r@uwm.edu>, qazi@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Aamir Hafeez Qazi) writes:\n|> From article <eabu288-140493210752@dialin33635.slip.nts.uci.edu>, by eabu288@orion.oac.uci.edu (Alvin):\n|> >\n|> > Is there going to be a BMW 328 in 1994?\n|> \n|> --Could be.  Isn't the 2.5 liter six supposed to be enlarged to 2.8 liters\n|>   in the not-too-distant future?\n|> \n\nMakes sense, since the new Mercedes Benz engines go from 2.2L-4 to a 2.8L-6.\nNothing in between.  BTW, I beleive the numbers on those MB engines are\n156 and 225 hp respectively.  The one-upmanship in hp might induce BMW\nto create a larger six.  Also, the 2.6 190E has lagged behind the 3-er\n2.5 for some time wrt hp.   I am sure the Bavarians wouldn't want to be\n\"shown-up\" by the Schwabians.\n\nPS- those MB engines haven't been released over here yet.\n\ndaniel\n","1002":"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: re: fillibuster\nLines: 188\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Computing Center\n\nIn article <C5ovFr.C0u@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:\n>\n>In article <VEAL.740.735074621@utkvm1.utk.edu>, VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:\n>\n>|>>|>       If the Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords, than\n>|>>|>we'd almost have to state that the House of Representatives was also.\n>|>>|>(In fact, they both were, because the British government had much\n>|>>|>greater power than did the American system).       \n>|>>\n>|>>In principle no, in practice yes. \n>|>\n>|>        In principle no?  That they had less power of that they should have\n>|>had less power?\n>\n>The British parliament in principle has absolute power. So does the Monarch.\n>Much of the stability of the system rests on what is not defined clearly.\n>In the case of a clear abuse by one side or the other the other side\n>can act to remedy the situation.\n\n      Two institutions with absolute power.  Cute.\n\n      Let's talk practicality, shall we?  If the Monarch tried to\ndo something, what would happen?\n  \n>|>>If they were to start from a social welfare model instead of the current \n>|>>\"no state subsidy motto\" they would be better placed. As it is there is\n>|>>plenty of state money being handed out. The problem is that it is\n>|>>distributed on the basis of power in congress and not on the basis of\n>|>>actual need. \n>|>\n>|>       Bingo.  The higher up the governmental ladder the less actual\n>|>need matters, because political power can be concentrated at higher\n>|>levels, while people with less cloud only find themselves reduced to\n>|>in effectiveness.\n>\n>That was not my point. \n\n       But you illustrated the problem very well.\n\n>|>>In order to set up a school project in New York state you have to pay off the\n>|>>other 49 states with pork - defense contracts, agricultural subsidies etc.\n>|>>Or to be precise 30 of the states since you need 60 to beat the filibuster.\n>|>\n>|>       Then why not simply leave New York's education to New York?  I\n>|>remain unconcinved that there is any state in the Union which is not capable\n>|>of educating its own children if that's what they want to do.  \n>\n>The point is of redistribution of cash from the poor areas of the ecconomy\n>to the rich ones. \n\n       I am contending that there is no state in the Union which does\nnot have ample wealth, if they choose to spend it, to run a perfectly\nacceptable Education system.  (I further contend that the amount of money\nbeing spent now is more then sufficient, but is being spent badly.)\n\n>Or vice versa if you aren't a Republican. \n\n       So, tell me Phill.  Were the Republicans also responsible for some\nof the *huge* increases in social programs?  Or were they *only* \nresponsible for what you don't like.  (I contend it is Congress which\nis to blame.  Democrat and Republican alike.)\n\n>If society\n>simply writes off any areas of the country that is ecconomically weak you\n>end up with a basket case ecconomy. There are inevitable cycles in any\n>business. Some of these act in phase to produce the \"business cycle\".\n>Others are countercyclic. Localities can experience boom to bust cycles\n>outside the national trend. To produce a strong ecconomy you need to\n>ensure that the bust areas do not fall bellow the level where they\n>cannot be ecconomically rebuilt. \n\n       Most of our worst areas are still better off than most of Europe.\nIn any case, we're talking about *education*.  \n\n>If the industry in an area collapses\n>the US as a whole still has a responsibility to ensure that the children\n>in that area get a good education. In some areas of the US schools are closing\n>halfway through the year for lack of money.\n\n       Yes, I live in once such area.  You're woefully ignorant of the\nsituation.\n\n       At the same time some of Tennessee's school districts are closing\ndown, the Governor asked for 7.5 million dollars for bicentenntial\ncelebration license plats.  In almost the same breath he wanted to raise\nunemployment compensation and reduce taxes which paid into it.\n \n       I don't know about the rest of the country, but *our* education\nproblems stem directly from two problems, neither of which are a lack\nof money in the state.  (BTW, Tennessee is considered a \"tax heaven\"\nand our economy is one of the strongest in the country.  *I* see\na correlation.)  1)  What money we spend goes primarly to administration.\nThe average administrator makes two and a half times what the average\nteacher makes, and sucks up an enormous amount of revenue.  And 2)\nthe Governor is making a concerted effort to create an \"Education crisis\"\nin order to push for his pet income tax.  Some of the most idiotic\nprograms get funded (like State funds for new art in the county seat)\nwhile schools are closing.  It's not a lack of funds.  It's an\nunwillingness to spend them on what is more appropriate.  Education\nis *the* parental hot-button.  Education is *always* the first to\nbut cut, because it's easier to get people to pay for their children\nthan ugly art.\n\n>|>       The U.S. Constitution is a nuts-and-bolts document.  The Delcaration\n>|>of Independence was the high-brow reasoning.  (There are a couple of other\n>|>examples, though, such as the reasoning for the power to tax, and the\n>|>reasoning for the power to grant permits, both in Article I, Section 8.)\n>\n>The Declaration on independence cam a decade earlier and has not a line\n>of justification for the US constitution. You could argue that it went\n>into the broad concepts but little more. \n\n      It spoke very eloquently on government being based on the\nconsent of the governed.  \n\n>In fact it is little more than\n>a protracted whinge. More to do with the price of tea than the design of \n>a government. It would be a pretty daft idea for a bunch of guys to\n>sit arround designing the structure of the new government while the little\n>matter of the British army remained to be settled. \n\n      They did it anyway.  The Continental Congress had its own set of\nbylaws.  It wasn't quite a government, but a means of making decisions\nhad to be created.  (However low George Washington's opinion of them were.)\n\n>|>       To a certain extend I do believe the veto has become something\n>|>it wasn't intended.  However, I also believe it is inevitable considering\n>|>the Congress' own abuse of their power to make bills say whatever they\n>|>want them to say.  Unlike most people I think we shouldn't be worrying\n>|>about the veto, which is fine, but of the problem in Congress which\n>|>almost necessitates its abuse.\n>\n>The Congress is the most democratic body in the whole system. \n\n      Allow me again to speak heresy against the Holy Democratic Orders.\nSo what?  The government was built with a very non-democratic Presidency\nwith fairly broad powers, including the veto.\n\n>It has not only\n>the fairest system of election but the two year term means that the\n>members have always got a recent mandate.\n\n      Yes, and the Senate was intended to act as a balance to this.\nToo much democracy was intentionally avoided.  It was considered a good\nthing to place non-democratic blocks to impulsive action.\n\n>On the other hand if the period of election were to be made 4 years in\n>antiphase to the Presidential cycle there would be much less dependence\n>on fund raising from special interests than there is at present.\n\n      So long as Congress has something to sell, people will pay for\nit.  Most congressmen rake in more money than they need.\n\n>|>       Why not?  What is inherently wrong with biasing the system\n>|>against action?  Historically governemnt action in the U.S. when\n>|>dealing with issues with a bare minority and a large minority have\n>|>not been successful.  When you're in a position of imposing federal\n>|>power on diverse people, why should the federal government not have to\n>|>got through something more than a bare majority\n>\n>In other words David thinks that the reactionaries should need only 41\n>votes while progressives should need 61.\n\n       No, if the \"progressives\" don't want the \"reactionaries\" to move\nbackward, they get the same benefit.  41% of the states is a *lot* of\npeople.  And historically laws with that sort of minority arent'\nvery effective, especially since it is usually geographically\nconcentrated.\n       When wielding the Federal Big Stick I don't see why they shouldn't\nhave to make a better argument than, \"more people than not,\" agree.\n       \n>Now we know why nobody calls the Republicans democrats.\n\n       I'm not a Republican.  I'm a republican.  :-)\n       \n       And no, I'm neither a Democrat nor a democrat.\n       \n       Now, I've asked several times, and all you've done is answer\n\"It isn't democratic,\" which I knew before I said it.  Why *should*\nit be democratic?  We don't have a true direct democracy, and few\npeople advocate one.  Why, then, is this other modification of\ndemocracy to bias it against action so much worse?\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - \"I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft;  I'm beginning to think you don't\nlove me anymore.\" - \"Weird Al\"\n","1003":"From: u895027@franklin.cc.utas.edu.au (Mark Mackey)\nSubject: Raytracers: which is best?\nOrganization: University of Tasmania, Australia.\nLines: 15\n\nHi all!\n\tI've just recently become seriously hooked on POV, but there are a few\nthing that I want to do that POV won't do (penumbral shadows, dispersion\netc.). I was just wondering: what other shareware\/freeware raytracers are\nout there, and what can they do? I've heard of Vivid and Polyray and \nRayshade and so on, but I'd rather no wade through several hundred pages of \nmanual for each trying to work out what their capabilities are. Can anyone\nhelp? A comparison of tracing speed between each program would also be \nmucho useful.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMark.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMark Mackey                 | Life is a terminal disease and oxygen is         \nmmackey@aqueous.ml.csiro.au | addictive. Are _you_ hooked?                  \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1004":"From: cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter)\nSubject: Re: Some more about gun control...\nNntp-Posting-Host: fishlab3.fsh.mtu.edu\nOrganization: Help, my server's fallen, and can't get up (MTU)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 185\n\nIn article <C5Bu9M.2K7@ulowell.ulowell.edu>\njrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) wrote:\n\n> In article <1q96tpINNpcn@gap.caltech.edu> arc@cco.caltech.edu\n> (Aaron Ray Clements) writes:\n> >The Second Amendment is a guarantee of the right to bear arms.  Clearly\n> >and unequivocally, without infringement.\n\n> Unfortunately the Second Amendment is not as clear as you state.  If last \n> part of it is taken along, it follows what you have said.  The problem\n> I have is with the first part of the single sentence which makes up the\n> amendment.  The Second Amendment is:\n\n> \tA well regulated militia, being necessary to the security \n                         ^^^^^^^ Militia\n\n> \tof a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear \n                  ^^^^^ State\n\n> \tarms, shall not be infringed.\n        ^^^^ Arms\n\nYou didn't even get the capitalization correct!  Try reading USCA on\nthe Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the\nConstitution. \n\n> This mention of a well regulated militia is what confuses me.  According\n> to the Federalist Paper's, a well regulated militia has a well defined \n> structure and follows nationally uniform regulations.\n\nPerhaps you should actually READ the Federalist Papers!!\n\n    James Madison, Federalist Paper 46: \"Besides the advantage of\n    being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost\n    every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to\n    which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers\n    are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of\n    ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government\n    of any form can admit of.  Notwithstanding the military\n    establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are\n    carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments\n    are afraid to trust the people with arms.\"\n                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n    James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434, 8 June 1789: \"The right\n    of the people to keep and bear... arms shall not be infringed.  A\n    well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people,\n                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n    trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free\n    country...\"\n\n    Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (on the organization of\n    the militia): \"Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with\n    respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed\n               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n    and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it\n    will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of\n    a year.\"\n\n    Alexander Hamilton, Federalist Paper 29 (speaking of standing\n    armies): \"... if circumstances should at any time oblige the\n    government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be\n    formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large\n    body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in\n    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n    discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their\n                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^*****\n    own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.\"\n    ***^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nBut *surely* Hamilton and Madison didn't mean the PEOPLE when they\nsaid \"people\", right?  That's why the Amendment refers to \"the Right\nof the Militia\"?...  ;-)\n\n> Your average \n> 17-45 year old male does not fall into the definition.\n\nYou're right, the Militia consists of ALL able bodied males (and\nprobably females under current interpretation). \n\n> Therefore most\n> members of The Militia, the one the every gun advocate refers to, are\n> not members of a well organized militia and therefore are not directly\n\nThe Amendment does nor refer to \"well organized\", it says \"well\nregulated\".  I have some targets you may examine if you wish to check\nhow _well regulated_ I am. \n\n> mentioned in the amendment.\n\n> If this amendment wanted to allow every member of The Militia to keep\n> and bear arms, why did it specificly mention a \"well organized militia\" \n> in the SAME SENTENCE as the right to keep and bear arms?\n\nCorrect.  That's why the Right is reserved to the People.  And that\nwas to insure the People could form a \"well regulated Militia\", not a\n\"well organized militia\".\n\n> It could be\n> argued that the first part of the sentence is separate from the last \n> part.  If so, why was it include in the same atomic unit of written\n\nWhat do Atomic Units have to do with this argument?  Any moron can set\nh_bar = C = 1...\n\n> instead of a separate sentence?\n\nOh, I see what your question is; Why don't you read the federalist\nPapers?! \n\n    James Madison, Federalist Paper 41 (regarding the \"General\n    Welfare\" clause): \"Nothing is more natural nor common than first\n    to use a general phrase, and then to explain and qualify it by a\n    recital of particulars.\"\n\nBut what does Madison know about the grammatical style of the 2nd?  He\nonly wrote it.\n\n> The amendment also implies that the right to arms has to due with \n> the security of a free state.  The Federalist Paper's mention of a\n> well regulated militia gives many examples of how this militia protects\n> the security of a free state.  All these examples are actions of a\n> very organized force, not some John Q. Public with a gun.\n\nThat's obviously because you've never actually *read* the Federalist\nPapers. \n\n> All that the Second Amendment clearly states to me is that the people's\n> right to form well regulated militias shall not be infringed.  That is \n> people have the right to join a well organized militia.  This well\n> organized militia will, of course, provide training in how to use arms\n> and in basic military tactics.  These training members of the militia\n> can keep and bear the arms.\n\nCan't read, huh?  Show me where the document says \"well organized\nmilitia\". \n\n> Lastly, reading through the Federalist Paper's on well organized \n> militia it is very clear that many of the reasons for these militias.\n> One reason stated is the protection from a standing army.  These days\n> the standing army could easily defeat a group consisting of every \n> 17-45 year old male and female not in the armied forces.\n\nThat is *exactly* why EVERY PERSON should be allowed to own *any*\nweapon currently in use in the armed forces.\n\n> Another\n> reason stated for well organized militias is to reduced the need\n> for a standing army.  Well, the US Armied Forces have been a standing\n> army for more than half the history of the US.\n\nBut the major reason is to protect against that very same army.\n\n> It seems to me the whole reason for the Second Amendment, to give\n> the people protection from the US government by guaranteeing that the\n> people can over through the government if necessary, is a little bit\n> of an anachronism is this day and age.  Maybe its time to re-think\n> how this should be done and amend the constitution appropriately.\n\n    Abraham Lincoln, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1861: \"This\n    country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit\n    it.  Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government,\n    they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or\n    their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it.\"\n\n    Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate\n    over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at 750, 17 August\n    1789: \"What, Sir, is the use of a militia?  It is to prevent the\n    establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. ...\n    Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of\n    the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order\n    to raise an army upon their ruins.\"\n\nSo now we know which category Mr. Rutledge is in; He means to destroy\nour Liberties and Rights.\n\n--\nCharles Scripter   *   cescript@phy.mtu.edu\nDept of Physics, Michigan Tech, Houghton, MI 49931\n-------------------------------------------------------------\n\"...when all government... in little as in great things, shall be\ndrawn to Washington as the centre of all power, it will render\npowerless the checks provided of one government on another and will\nbecome as venal and oppressive as the government from which we\nseparated.\"   Thomas Jefferson, 1821\n","1005":"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Alaska Pipeline and Space Station!\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.160550.7592@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:\n|\n|I think this would be a great way to build it, but unfortunately\n|current spending rules don't permit it to be workable.  For this to\n|work it would be necessary for the government to guarantee a certain\n|minimum amount of business in order to sufficiently reduce the risk\n|enough to make this attractive to a private firm.  Since they\n|generally can't allocate money except one year at a time, the\n|government can't provide such a tenant guarantee.\n\n\nFred.\n\n\tTry reading a bit.  THe government does lots of multi year\ncontracts with Penalty for cancellation clauses.  They just like to be\ndamn sure they know what they are doing before they sign a multi year\ncontract.   THe reason they aren't cutting defense spending as much\nas they would like is the Reagan administration signed enough\nMulti year contracts,  that it's now cheaper to just finish them out.\n\nLook at SSF.  THis years funding is 2.2 Billion,  1.8 of which will\ncover penalty clauses, due to the re-design.\n\npat\n\n","1006":"From: rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com\nSubject: Part 1 and part 2  (re: Homosexuality)\nLines: 114\nReturn-Path: <amail.amdahl.com!rich.bellacera@juts.ccc.amdahl.com>\n\nTony-\n\nI read your post, it was nothing new, I had seen much the same in other\ntypical\"Christian\" anti-gay sentimental literature.  Gay people are and will\ncon- tinue to be persecuted as long as such propaganda petpetuates.  You may\nbe unaware of all the statistica \"findings\" concerning African-Americans that\nhave been published and used by various groups to re-enforce their own bias\nagainst African-Americans.  We usually think of the KKK in these instances,\nbut there are many other groups.  Of course, the vast majority of the public\nscoff at such findings and documents today, but that was not always the case.\nFortunately African-Americans had \"whites\" who supported their 'cause' and\npublic sentiment was eventually (if not entirely) turned around.  There was\neven a Civil War, and anti-negro sentiment increased.  In fact, until laws\nwere put in place to protect the inalienable rights of Blacks it was pretty\nmuch legal to discriminate against them.\n\nI know many gays and I will NOT turn my back on them or their right to be free\nform discrimination.  You may think that I have been deceived or something,\nthat is your perogative.  My church, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)\nopenly affirms the rights of oppressed people of all segments of society,\nincluding gays.  We believe the Gospel message of preaching to all creation\nand making disciples.  We believe in the Lord's great commandment to Love,\nand we beleive in standing up for the oppressed, even if it is not popular\nto do so.  I really like my church for last reason the most.  I can find a\nchurch almost anywhere in the valley that stands for the Gospel and believes\nin the commandment of Love (though I'm hard-pressed to find many who actually\nsho Love), but not many are willing to champion the oppressed, especially\nwithin their own community.  I may have lost face with the greater Christian\ncommunity for the unpopularity of my beliefs, but so did the abolitionists\nagainst the oppression of African-Americans.  Many were even killed and\ntreated as runaway slaves for being \"nigger-lovers\" and such.  I guess I've\ndecided the challenge is worth it.\n\nIn my talks with gay men and women I have heard tragic story after tragic\nstory centering around failed marriages, wives and husbands who are straight\nwho have been hurt in the process, etc.  Funny thing is, I don't know of one\ncase where the parents, ex-wives, or even children have continued to reject\ntheir gay family member (son, daughter, ex-husband, father, etc.) after they\nbegan to take part in some form of support group, like PFLAG.\n\nI'm apalled by the legislation which passed in Colorado, and am equally out0\nraged that such slimey people as Louis Sheldon (from the Tradition Values\nCoalition) have been actively working in the Christian underground to garner\nsupport within several (8 I believe) states this coming November for more\noppressive legisation against gays.\n\nPerhaps you don't get it, and maybe you never will.  Many didn't get it in the\nMiddle Ages and the proclaimed God's will be done as they massacred thousands\nin witch hunts and inquisitions.\n\nThe message that comes through, loud and clear, by proponents against gay\nrights and against gays in general, is that there is a strong dislike, even\nhatred for gays, whether you want to call it such or not (it doesn't change\nthe results).  The major flaw in all this posturing is that in the end, the\nfinal effect of posts like that of yours and Mr. Hudson is that YOU have a\n\"conditional\" love for gays.  Condition:  Change and we'll love you. This is\nsure strange coming from a group who claim that God has an \"unconditional\"\nlove, one that calls people \"just as they are.\"  Sure there are things that\nwill 'naturally' change, and habits (like alcoholism, wife beating, etc.) that\nneed to be changed through some sort of therapy.  But then there are things\nlike left-handedness, etc. that no amount of beating it out of people, is\ngoing to result in anything more than an outward conforminty to \"other\npeople's expectations.\" In the process this coerced conformity causes many\npeople a great deal of harm, especially when it is caused by people who have\nnothing more to gain from it that to become even more puffed up about their\nown sense of pseuper-spirituality.\n\nThis is sad, but I thoroughly believe that one day it will change.  It may be\nunpopular to cry for justice and equality when the basis has to do with\nsomething very personal like 'sexuality' (a taboo subject even today), but I\nfirmly believe in the rights of individuals to be free from impose regulation\non thier bedrooms.  It's funny that most straight people have successfully\nremoved restrictive and oppressive legislation against invasive legislation,\nbut we like to maintain this little chestnut of repression...as though it\nhelps us maintain a sense of superiority over at least one segment of society.\nGay people are not criminals.\n\nAnother interesting thing happened recently.  A very prominent charismatic\nchurch in the Silicon Valley (here) had two of it's pastors arrested for self-\nadmitted charges of pederasty (men having sex with boys).  This had apparently\nbeen going on for some time (a couple years?), but since the charges were\nvoluntary, and the church worked closely with the police, so I imagine that\nwas how they managed to downplay it in the media.  How could such a thing\nhappen when the church, itself, has an ex-gay ministry?  One of my friends\nrecently told me he was \"approached\" by someone who is going through the\nreparitive therapy there, and he was thoroughly convinced that the request for\ndinner was not an invitation to attend the ministry.\n\nThese are difficult times we live in, but providing hostile environments and\ncreating and perpetuating an atmosphere that breed hate and violence is not\nthe call of the Christian community.  The results of the passing amendment in\nColorado has created an organization who's posters are appearing all over\nColorado called \"S.T.R.A.I.G.H.T.\" (I forget the whole definition off hand,\nbut the last part was Against Immoral Gross Homosexual Trash) and their motto\nis \"Working for a fag-free America\" with an implicit advocation for violence.\n\nThis is sick, and it seems to be what you and Mr. Hudson, and others are\nembracing.\n\nWe Christians have a LOOOOOOOOOONG tradition of coersion and oppression\ntowards those we feel don't 'measure up', and constant beratement from\norganizations like The Christian Research Institute, while they do have a good\npurpose also, their major work seems to be finding new and better ways of\nexcluding people.\n\nThe Gospel I believe is not so negative, rather it seeks ways to \"include\"\npeople.  I have several of Dr. Martin's books and find them quite helpful,\nespecially concerning 'cults.' But it seems that CRI, has become a cult unto\nitself.  Why don't we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people\nto Jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away?\n\nWhatever\n\nRich :-(\n","1007":"From: phs431d@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Monash University - Melbourne. Australia.\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.47.1993.28427@athos.rutgers.edu>, hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) writes:\n> \n> Say, for example, there are people living on a volcanic island, and a group \n> of geologists determine that a volcano is imminent. They warn the people on \n> the island that they are in danger, and should leave. A group of people on \n> the island is given the task of warning others of the danger.\n> \n> They believe the danger is real, but others may not. \n> \n> Does that mean that the first group are NECESSARILY arrogant in warning \n> others of the danger? Does it mean that they are saying that their beliefs \n> are correct, and all others are false?\n\nBut what if the geologists are wrong and these people are warning of a\nnon-existent danger?  Analogies can only push an argument so far (on both\nsides).  Both Melinda's and yours assume the premises used to set up your\nrespective analogies are true and thus the correct conclusion will arise.\n\nThe important point to note is the different directions both sides come from.\nChristians believe they know the TRUTH and thus believe they have the right\n(and duty) to tell the TRUTH to all.  \n\nChristians can get offended if others do not believe (what is self-evidently\nto them) the TRUTH. Non-christians do not believe this is the TRUTH and get\noffended at them because they (christians) claim to know the TRUTH.\n\n(BTW this argument goes for anyone, I am not just bagging christians)\n\nNeither side can be really reconciled unless one of the parties changes their\nmind.  As Melinda pointed out, there is no point in arguing along these lines\nbecause both approach from a different premise.  A more useful line of\ndiscussion is WHY people believe in particular faiths.\n\nPersonally, I don't mind what anyone believes as long as they allow me mine\nand we can all live peacefully.\n\n> Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department\n\n-- \nDon Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University, \nMelbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168.\n","1008":"From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman)\nSubject: Re: Do the 2MB ATI Ultra Pro 16 and 24 bit Windows Drivers Work?\nLines: 47\nNntp-Posting-Host: ecru.cc.utexas.edu\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 47\n\nIn article <87402@ut-emx.uucp>, reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali) writes:\n> Hi there.  We just bought a 486 DX2\/66 Gateway system with a 2 meg ATI\n> Ultra Pro video card.  Everything seems to work fine except for the\n> Windows Drivers for 800x600 24 bit, and 800x600 and 1024x768 16 bit\n> modes.  The fonts and icons start deteriorating after windows startup,\n> and within minutes of use, everything on the screen is totally\n> unintelligible.  Naturally, I called Gateway tech support to inquire\n> about this.  The technician asked me about the drivers, and I told him it\n> was version 1.5, build 59.  He told me that the 16 and 24 bit drivers for\n> the ATI Ultra Pro simply do not work!!!  Is this true?  If so, I'm simply\n> amazed.  How could this be?  The strange thing is I would have expected\n> to see some discussion on here (unless the subject has made the FAQ!!!).\n> \n> One very suspicious point that came up later was that he stated that none\n> of the Windows Accelerator boards have working 16 and\/or 24 bit drivers\n> for Windows 3.1.  I easily challenged him on that because I've been\n> running a Diamond 24x in 15 bit mode at home for 4 months now, and I have\n> tested and used the 24 bit mode as well.  He then backed off and said:\n> \"Well, Diamond has been working on those drivers much longer.\"  Anyway, I\n> just wanted to see if anyone else had any trouble and what they did about\n> it.  Any feedback will be appreciated.\n> \n> The system configuration is:\n> \n> Gateway 486 DX2\/66 Local Bus\n> 16 Megs Ram\n> SCSI HD & CD-ROM\n> Ultrastor 34F Local Bus SCSI controller\n> ATI Ultra Pro Local Bus with 2MB VRAM\n> DOS 6.0\n> Windows 3.1\n> Mach 32 drivers version 1.5 (build 59)\n\nI have been able to successfully use both 16 and 24 bit color modes on my\nGateway system, although my setup is less complicated than yours.  It sounds as\nif you may have a hardware conflict or problem.  Is your memory aperture above\n16M?  I have heard rumors of incompatibilities with that SCSI card with a\nvariety of systems.  Call up Gateway and give them hell until they help you\nfix it.\n\nDan\n\n-- \nDaniel Matthew Coleman\t\t   |   Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu\n-----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\nThe University of Texas at Austin  |\t DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN\nElectrical\/Computer Engineering\t   |\t BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET]\n","1009":"From: gary@colossus.cgd.ucar.edu (Gary Strand)\nSubject: Re: The Slaughter\nOrganization: Climate and Global Dynamics Division\/NCAR, Boulder, CO\nLines: 16\n\n  [followups to talk.politics.guns]\n\nrl> Russell Lawrence\nkr> Karl Rominger\n\nkr> I support the right of any citizen with out a criminal history to own and\n    use firearms, regardless of race, gender, and RELIGION.\n\nrl> Thanks for admitting that you, yourself, adhere to an illogical dogma.\n\n  Well, folks in t.p.guns, want to show how Russell's \"illogical dogma\" is\n  wrong?\n\n--\nGary Strand                      Opinions stated herein are mine alone and are\nstrandwg@ncar.ucar.edu            not representative of NCAR, UCAR, or the NSF\n","1010":"From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility\nLines: 33\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca\nKeywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <C5JoIt.E31@bcstec.ca.boeing.com>, neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com\n (Neil Williams) writes...\n\n# \n#As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others\n#were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5\n#north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our\n#windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the\n#overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and\n#left.\n#A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was\n#in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was\n#a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old\n#that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?\n#I don't think I'll over forget this story.\n#Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA.\n#..\n# \n\n  Neil, what did they do to the 14-year-old who they caught?  What did\n the man's insurance company do?  This could be significant and in any case\n very interesting.\n\n  Followups to alt.parents-teens.\n\n\n Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca\n TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327\/278\n 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074\n University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3\n\n These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.\n They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.\n","1011":"From: wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov\nSubject: Re: NASA \"Wraps\"\nOrganization: University of Houston\nLines: 160\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: judy.uh.edu\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <1993Apr18.034101.21934@iti.org>, aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes...\n>In article <17APR199316423628@judy.uh.edu> wingo%cspara.decnet@Fedex.Msfc.Nasa.Gov writes:\n> \n>>I don't care who told you this it is not generally true. I see EVERY single\n>>line item on a contract and I have to sign it. There is no such thing as\n>>wrap at this university. \n> \n>Dennis, I have worked on or written proposals worth tens of millions\n>of $$. Customers included government (including NASA), for profit and\n>non-profit companies. All expected a wrap (usually called a fee). Much\n>of the work involved allocating and costing the work of subcontractors.\n>The subcontractors where universities, for-profits, non-profits, and\n>even some of the NASA Centers for the Commercialization of Space. ALL\n>charged fees as part of the work. Down the street is one of the NASA\n>commercialization centers; they charge a fee.\n> \n\nYou totally forgot the original post that you posted Allen. In that post\nyou stated that the \"wrap\" was on top of and in addition to any overhead.\nGeez in this post you finally admit that this is not true.\n\n>Now, I'm sure your a competent engineer Dennis, but you clearly lack\n>experience in several areas. Your posts show that you don't understand\n>the importance of integration in large projects. You also show a lack\n>of understanding of costing efforts as shown by your belief that it\n>is reasonable to charge incremental costs for everything. This isn't\n>a flame, jsut a statement.\n\nCome your little ol buns down here and you will find out who is doing\nwhat and who is working on integration. This is simply an ad hominum\nattack and you know it.\n\n> \n>Your employer DOES charge a fee. You may not see it but you do.\n>\n\nOf course there is a fee. It is for administration. Geez Allen any\norganization has costs but there is a heck of a difference in  legitimate\ncosts, such as libraries and other things that must be there to support\na program and \"wrap\" as you originally stated it.You stated that wrap\nwas on top of all of the overhead which a couple of sentences down you\nsay is not true. Which is it Allen?\n\n>>>Sounds like they are adding it to their overhead rate. Go ask your\n>>>costing people how much fee they add to a project.\n> \n>>I did they never heard of it but suggest that, like our president did, that\n>>any percentage number like this is included in the overhead.\n> \n>Well there you are Dennis. As I said, they simply include the fee in\n>their overhead. Many seoparate the fee since the fee structure can\n>change depending on the customer.\n>\n\nAs you have posted on this subject Allen, you state that wrap is over and\nabove overhead and is a seperate charge. You admit here that this is wrong.\nNasa has a line item budget every year. I have seen it Allen. Get some\nnumbers from that detailed NASA budget and dig out the wrap numbers and then\nhowl to high heaven about it. Until you do that you are barking in the wind.\n\n>>No Allen you did not. You merely repeated allegations made by an Employee\n>>of the Overhead capital of NASA. \n> \n>Integration, Dennis, isn't overhead.\n> \n>>Nothing that Reston does could not be dont\n>>better or cheaper at the Other NASA centers  where the work is going on.\n>\n\nIntegration could be done better at the centers. Apollo integration was \ndone here at Msfc and that did not turn out so bad. The philosophy of\nReston is totally wrong Allen. There you have a bunch of people who are\ncompletely removed from the work that they are trying to oversee. There\nis no way that will ever work. It has never worked in any large scale project\nthat it was ever tried on. Could you imagine a Reston like set up for \nApollo?\n\n>Dennis, Reston has been the only NASA agency working to reduce costs. When\n>WP 02 was hemoraging out a billion $$, the centers you love so much where\n>doing their best to cover it up and ignore the problem. Reston was the\n>only place you would find people actually interested in solving the\n>problems and building a station.\n>\n\nOh you are full of it Allen on this one. I agree that JSC screwed up big.\nThey should be responsible for that screw up and the people that caused it\nreplaced. To make a stupid statement like that just shows how deep your\nbias goes. Come to MSFC for a couple of weeks and you will find out just\nhow wrong you really are. Maybe not, people like you believe exactly what\nthey want to believe no matter  what the facts are contrary to it. \n\n>>Kinda funny isn't it that someone who talks about a problem like this is\n>>at a place where everything is overhead.\n> \n>When you have a bit more experience Dennis, you will realize that\n>integration isn't overhead. It is the single most important part\n>of a successful large scale effort.\n>\n\nI agree that integration is the single most important part of a  successful\nlarge scale effort. What I completly disagree with is seperating that\nintegration function from  the people that are doing the work. It is called\nleadership Allen. That is what made Apollo work. Final responsibility for\nthe success of Apollo was held by less than 50 people. That is leadership\nand responsibility. There is neither when you have any organization set up\nas Reston is. You could take the same people and move them to JSC or MSFC\nand they could do a much better job. Why did it take a year for Reston to\nfinally say something about the problem? If they were on site and part of the\nprocess then the problem would have never gotten out of hand in the first place.\n\nThere is one heck of a lot I do not know Allen, but one thing I do know is that\nfor a project to be successful you must have leadership. I remember all of the\nturn over at Reston that kept SSF program in shambles for years do you? It is\nlack of responsibility and leadership that is the programs problem. Lack of\nleadership from the White House, Congress and at Reston. Nasa is only a\nsymptom of a greater national problem. You are so narrowly focused in your\nefforts that you do not see this.\n\n>>Why did the Space News artice point out that it was the congressionally\n>>demanded change that caused the problems? Methinks that you are being \n>>selective with the facts again.\n> \n>The story you refer to said that some NASA people blamed it on\n>Congress. Suprise suprise. The fact remains that it is the centers\n>you support so much who covered up the overheads and wouldn't address\n>the problems until the press published the story.\n> \n>Are you saying the Reston managers where wrong to get NASA to address\n>the overruns? You approve of what the centers did to cover up the overruns?\n>\n\nNo, I am saying that if they were located at JSC it never would have \nhappened in the first place.\n\n>>If it takes four flights a year to resupply the station and you have a cost\n>>of 500 million a flight then you pay 2 billion a year. You stated that your\n>>\"friend\" at Reston said that with the current station they could resupply it\n>>for a billion a year \"if the wrap were gone\". This merely points out a \n>>blatent contridiction in your numbers that understandably you fail to see.\n> \n>You should know Dennis that NASA doesn't include transport costs for\n>resuply. That comes from the Shuttle budget. What they where saying\n>is that operational costs could be cut in half plus transport.\n> \n>>Sorry gang but I have a deadline for a satellite so someone else is going\n>>to have to do Allen's math for him for a while. I will have little chance to\n>>do so.\n> \n>I do hope you can find the time to tell us just why it was wrong of\n>Reston to ask that the problems with WP 02 be addressed.\n> \nI have the time to reitereate one more timet that if the leadership that is\nat reston was on site at JSC the problem never would have happened, totally\nignoring the lack of leadership of congress. This many headed hydra that\nhas grown up at NASA is the true problem of the Agency and to try to \nchange the question to suit you and your bias is only indicative of\nyour position.\n\nDennis, University of Alabama in Huntsville\n\n","1012":"From: zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh)\nSubject: Re: Newsgroup Split\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 18\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: caspian.usc.edu\n\n\nIn article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:\n|> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of\n|> doing this.  I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading\n|> this group, from code to hardware to algorithms.  I just think making 5\n|> different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts\n|> a week per group.  I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum\n|> for discussing all aspects of graphics.  Anyone else feel this way?\n|> Just curious.\n|> \n|> \n|> Daemon\n|> \n\nI agree with you. Of cause I'll try to be a daemon :-)\n\nYeh\nUSC\n","1013":"From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)\nSubject: Re: FJ1100\/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted\t  \nNntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.85.70\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corporation\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes:\n>\n>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow \n>FJ1100\/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has \n>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for \n>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!\n\nWith the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything\nwould work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank\nbag.\n-- \nBlaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland\nbgardner@dsd.es.com\n","1014":"From: starowl@bolero.rahul.net (Michael D. Adams)\nSubject: Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies\nArticle-I.D.: rahul.C51D0n.3Fw\nReply-To: starowl@a2i.rahul.net\nOrganization: D Service Actuarial Consulting\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: bolero\nX-Header: IGNORE ignore Ignore IgNoRe this line\n\nrick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) writes:\n\n>Very simple.  An 'Insurance Commissioner' is a bureaucrat - a regulator.\n>It is his\/her duties to make rules to enforce laws.  \n\n...and to make life difficult for us actuaries..... :-\/\n\n-- \nMichael D. Adams\t(starowl@a2i.rahul.net)\t  Champaign, IL \/ southeast AL\n\n   \"THRUSH believes in the two-party system: The masters and the slaves.\"\n\t\t-- Napoleon Solo (from The Man from U.N.C.L.E)\n","1015":"From: qtm2w@virginia.edu (Quinn T. McCord)\nSubject: Seven castaways w. Gilligan=Seven Deadly Sins\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 7\n\nGilligan = Sloth\nSkipper = Anger\nThurston Howell III = Greed\nLovey Howell = Gluttony\nGinger = Lust\nProfessor = Pride\nMary Ann = Envy\n","1016":"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Responses to Ed's Top Ten Lists\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 16\nReply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) says:\n\n>In article <C4zrEH.C7s@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) write\n>s:\n>\n>The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler)\n>so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost?\n\n\n      No.  The REAL question:  Should the Feds bail-out IBM ( a la Chrysler )\n  so that important $80K manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost?\n\n       It could be part of the \"Jobs Bill\"\n\n\n","1017":"From: silver@xrtll.uucp (Hi Ho Silver)\nSubject: Re: Who was   or   what is   MIATA, as used in the Mazda Miata?\nOrganization: What you won't find on my desk.\nLines: 20\n\nSayeth sjwyrick@lbl.gov (Steve Wyrick):\n$Anybody keeping track of how many of these there are?  So far I have\n$Miata, Tredia, Previa, Sentra, Maxima, Altima, Camry, and Justy, not to\n$mention Lexus, Acura and Infiniti!  \n\n   You're apparently including names that are, or appear to be,\nderivatives of real words in English or some other language (e.g.\nAcura, Infiniti, Maxima, Altima), in which case you missed ones such\nas Integra, Supra, Allante', Capri and Calibra.  In Canada, add Serenia and\nPrecidia.  If you count misspellings, add Protege and (in Canada)\nVigor.  How about the forthcoming Mondeo, if it is given that name\nin North America?\n\n   Others might include Celica, Corolla, Paseo, and Tercel.  In Canada,\nadd Asu\"na.\n-- \n|I know that sometimes my jaw clicks when I eat.  Void where prohibited.|\n|Have you seen this boy?  Lust never sleeps.  I say hurl.  Honey, I'm   |\n|home. _________________________________________________________________|\n|_____\/ silver@bokonon.UUCP    ...!{uunet|becker|xrtll}!bokonon!silver  |\n","1018":"From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly       KS)\nSubject: Eric Bosco where are you?!\nNntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 4\n\nEric, send me email with your address, I lost it! I've reconsidered!\n\nKevin\n\n","1019":"Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Athei\nFrom: sham@cs.arizona.edu (Shamim Zvonko Mohamed)\nOrganization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.151120.14068@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) writes:\n>In <930419.125145.9O3.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew writes:\n>> I wonder if Noam Chomsky is reading this?\n>\n>      I could be wrong, but is he actually talking about outright\n>_government_ control of the media, aka censorship?\n>\n>      If he doesn't, any quick one-stop-shopping reference to his works\n>that'll tell me, in short, what he _does_ argue for?\n\n\"Manufacturing Consent,\" a film about the media. You alternative movie source\nmay have this; or to book it in your local alternative theatre, contact:\n\nFILMS TRANSIT * INTERNATIONAL SALES\nJan Rofekamp\n402 Notre Dame E.\nMontreal, Quebec\nCanada H2Y 1C8\nTel (514) 844-3358 * Fax (514) 844-7298\nTelex 5560074 Filmtransmtl\n\n(US readers: call Zeitgeist Films at 212 274 1989.)\n\n-s\n--\n  Shamim Mohamed \/ {uunet,noao,cmcl2..}!arizona!shamim \/ shamim@cs.arizona.edu\n  \"Take this cross and garlic; here's a Mezuzah if he's Jewish; a page of the\n    Koran if he's a Muslim; and if he's a Zen Buddhist, you're on your own.\"\n   Member of the League for Programming Freedom - write to lpf@uunet.uu.net\n","1020":"From: rkimball@athena.qualcomm.com (Robert Kimball)\nSubject: VLB bus master problem?\nSummary: Is there a problem with VLB and bus master devices?\nKeywords: VLB Bus Master Controller SCSI\nOrganization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA\nLines: 16\nNntp-Posting-Host: athena.qualcomm.com\n\nI am trying to put together a new PC with VESA Local Bus.  I would like\nto get VLB cards for Video and SCSI but I have heard of a problem with\nbus mastering controllers on VLB.  Something to the effect that they will\nactually slow down a system.  Anyone heard of this problem?\n\nSpecifically, I am interested in the Ultrastor 34F VLB SCSI controller.\nBefore I shell out the bucks for this thing I would like to get the\nstraight scoop from someone who knows.  Does anyone have this controller?\nAny problems with it?\n\n\n-- \n\n\nBob Kimball\nrkimball@qualcomm.com\n","1021":"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes)\nSubject: Re: An agnostic's question\nReply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 23\n\nperhaps you can tell your friend that you feel pressured by his\ncontinual discussions of this topic -- surely he doesn't feel you\nshould be _pressured_ into something you feel uncomfortable about\n(since christianity should be a choice one should make on one's own).\nplease also realize that he is doing this out of friendship -- he\nprobably feels you are missing out on something great, and wants to\ntell you about it.  but since you know where you can learn about\nchristianity, you can tell him that it is now up to you to make that\nchoice, and if the choice is no, you should be respected for that.\npersonally i believe that a christian's mission is just to be\nchrist-like, showing his\/her own faith and happiness in that faith,\nand make sure people know they are welcome to talk to you about it.  i\ndo not believe in imposing your beliefs upon others -- but then again\neveryone's definitions of \"imposing\" may differ.  \n\ni hope i have made myself clear....  if not, please correct me!\n:) vera\n*******************************************************************************\nI am your CLOCK!     |  I bind unto myself today    | Vera Noyes\nI am your religion!  |  the strong name of the\t    | noye@midway.uchicago.edu\nI own you!\t     |  Trinity....\t\t    | no disclaimer -- what\n\t- Lard\t     |\t- St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim?\n*******************************************************************************\n","1022":"From: craig@monster.apd.saic.com (Craig Lewis)\nSubject: Re: Please Refresh On Internet Access To CompuServe\nOrganization: SAIC, Reston, VA\nLines: 31\n\ncheong@solomon.technet.sg (SCSTECH admin) writes:\n\n>Hi,\n\n>sometime ago there are some discussions on gaining CompuServe access thru\n>the Internet. But I seem to misplace those articles. Can someone please\n>refresh me where (which site) I can telnet to to gain access.\n\nTry  telnet 128.196.128.234, login TO_CSERVE\n\nThis will get you into the CompuServe network. Enter hostname CIS and you'll get\n the UserID prompt.          \n\n>Hopefully I can download files as well.\n\n I haven't, if you can figure it out let me know.  Also, let me know if your\nbackspace key works :)\n   \n>Thanks,\n\n\n>Arthur Lim\n>Email : arthur@mailhost.scs.com.sg\n\n\n--------------------------\nCraig Lewis\nSAIC\n703-318-4756\ncraig@monster.apd.saic.com\n\n","1023":"From: solmstead@PFC.Forestry.CA (Sherry Olmstead)\nSubject: Re: Heat Shock Proteins\nNntp-Posting-Host: pfc.pfc.forestry.ca\nReply-To: solmstead@PFC.Forestry.CA\nOrganization: Forestry Canada (Pacific Forestry Centre)\nLines: 25\n\nrousseaua@immunex.com writes about heat shock proteins (HSP's) and DNA.\n\nI hate to be derogatory, but in this case I think it's warranted.\n\nHSP's are part of the cellular response to stress.  The only reason they\nare called 'heat shock proteins' is because they were first demonstrated\nusing heat shock.  Dead tissue (ie. meat) is not going to produce ANY\nprotein- because it's DEAD!  \n\nAlso, who cares if the DNA you are ingesting is mutated!?  It will be \ncompletely digested in your stomach, which is about pH 2.  \n\nSome of you worry WAY too much.  Eat a healthy, balanced diet and relax.\n\nMy advice is, if you don't know what you are talking about, it is better\nto keep your mouth shut than to open it and remove all doubt about your\nignorance.  Don't speculate, or at least get some concrete information\nbefore you do!\n\nSherry Olmstead\nBiochemist\n\n  SHERRY OLMSTEAD                   Title: Lab Technician\n  Forestry Canada                   Phone: (604) 363-0600\n  Victoria, B.C.                    Internet: SOLMSTEAD@A1.PFC.Forestry.CA\n","1024":"From: E.J. Draper <draper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu>\nSubject: Re: Do we need a Radiologist to read an Ultrasound?\nOrganization: U.T.M.D. Anderson Cancer Center\nLines: 25\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rpidev2.mda.uth.tmc.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7FAC234C902019A@rpidev2.mda.uth.tmc.edu>\nX-XXDate: Wed, 21 Apr 93 15:19:48 GMT\n\nIn article <9551@blue.cis.pitt.edu> Kenneth Gilbert, kxgst1+@pitt.edu\nwrites:\n>This is one of those sticky areas of medicine where battles frequently\n>rage.  With respect to your OB, I suspect that she has been certified in\n>ultrasound diagnostics, and is thus allowed to use it and bill for its\n>use.  Many cardiologists also use ultrasound (echocardiography), and are\n>in fact considered by many to be the 'experts'.  I am not sure where OBs\n>stand in this regard, but I suspect that they are at least as good as the\n>radioligists (flame-retardant suit ready).\n\nIf it were my wife, I would insist that a radiologist be involved in the\nprocess.  Radiologist are intensively trained in the process of\ninterpreting diagnostic imaging data and are aware of many things that\nother physicians aren't aware of.  Would you want a radiologist to\ndeliver your baby?  If you wouldn't, then why would you want a OB\/GYN to\nread your ultrasound study?\n\n\nIn my opinion the process should involve a OB\/GYN and a radiologist.\n\n\n      |E|J-  ED DRAPER\n rEpar|D|<-  Radiologic\/Pathologic Institute\n             The University of Texas M.D. Anderson Cancer Center\n             draper@odin.mda.uth.tmc.edu\n","1025":"From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility\nLines: 33\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <NEILSON.93Apr15135919@seoul.mpr.ca>, neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes...\n#[sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]\n# \n#> That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselves\n#> and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is \n#> imminent.\n#>\n#> Steve Heracleous\n# \n#You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you\n#go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good\n#job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from\n#me - those kids are mean.\n\n  This last comment was obviously a bit cynical, but a true statement of\n the attitude of some drivers (there's your \"autos\" content), I would say.\n\n  What law-abiding (not \"low-abiding\" as above (talk about Freudian slips!))\n citizens have the right and responsibility to do is try to PREVENT this\n type of behaviour in children.  A doctor may have to use \"deadly force\"\n against a part of a body (like amputating it) when an infection\/disease\n has gone too far.  But his real desire would have been to *prevent* the\n disease in the first place or at least nip it in the bud.\n\n   Followups should go to alt.parents-teens\n\n Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca\n TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327\/278\n 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074\n University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3\n\n These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.\n They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.\n","1026":"From: koops@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Luke Koops)\nSubject: Speaker design software?\nOrganization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada\nSummary: Searching for speaker deisn software\/shareware\/freeware\nKeywords: speaker, design, software\nNntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca\nLines: 13\n\nHi.  I'm looking for software to aid a friend of mine with designing speakers.\nDoes this type of software exist?  If anyone can point me toward a shareware or\nfreeware product with this description, that would be ideal.\n\n...Steve van der Burg (using a friend's account)\n\n(p.s. Excuse the terseness of the message;  I'm having difficulty stringing\nreadable sentences together today, for some reason.)\n\n-- \n\n\t\t\t\t-Luke Koops\n\n","1027":"From: eder@hsvaic.boeing.com (Dani Eder)\nSubject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nOrganization: Boeing AI Center, Huntsville, AL\nLines: 18\n\nRe: Space billboards\n\nEven easier to implement than writing messages on the Moon, once upon\na time a group of space activists I belonged to in Seattle considered\na \"Goodyear Blimp in orbit\".  The idea was to use a large structure\nthat could carry an array of lights like the Goodyear Blimp has.\nPlaced in a low Earth orbit of high inclination, it could eventually\nbe seen by almost everyone on Earth.  Only our collective disapproval\nof cluttering up space with such a thing stopped us from pursuing\nit.  It had quite feasible economics, which I will not post here\nbecause I don't want to encourage the idea (if you want to do such\na thing, go figure it out for yourself).\n\nDani Eder\n\n-- \nDani Eder\/Meridian Investment Company\/(205)464-2697(w)\/232-7467(h)\/\nRt.1, Box 188-2, Athens AL 35611\/Location: 34deg 37' N 86deg 43' W +100m alt.\n","1028":"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Young Catchers\nArticle-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.185951.19058\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <mssC52rIL.8E0@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:\n> Your speculation (and \n>others) that Lopez will produce better than the two proven veterans\n>is nothing more than speculation, no matter how well founded.\n\nYour speculation that the two proven veterans will produce better\nthan Lopez is also no more than speculation.  It *does* make\na difference whether the speculation is well-founded or not.\n  \n>Obviously, the Braves believe they can win with the catching they\n>have, and I agree.  If they change their minds, they'll call up Lopez.\n\nThough this is a good point.  The one speculation is \"safer\",\nbecause it can be reversed.\n\nCheers,\n-Valentine\n","1029":"From: marc@tanda.isis.org (Marc Thibault)\nSubject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !\nReply-To: marc@tanda.isis.org\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Thibault & Friends\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <ygoland.735123994@wright> \n(The Jester) writes: \n\n> Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk\n> space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your\n> computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly\n> messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin\n\n        This sounds like a version Unix. Solaris?\n\n","1030":"From: markl@hunan.rastek.com (Mark Larsen)\nSubject: Re: Ray tracer for ms-dos?\nOrganization: Rastek Corporation, Huntsville, AL\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1r1cqiINNje8@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:\n>\n>Sorry for the repeat of this request, but does anyone know of a good\n>free\/shareware program with which I can create ray-traces and save\n>them as bit-mapped files?  (Of course if there is such a thing =)\n>\n>Thanks in advance\n>\n>Daemon\n\nThere are 2 books published by M&T BOOKS that come with C source code on\nfloppies.  They are:\n\nProgramming In 3 Dimensions, 3-D Graphics, Ray Traycing, and Animation\nby: Christopher D. Watkins and Larry Sharp.\n\nPhotorealism and Ray Tracing in C\nby: Christopher D. Watkins, Stephen B. Coy, and Mark Finlay.\n\nI have the first book and it is a great intro to 3-D, Ray Tracing and\nAnimation.  Most of the programs are on the disk compiled and ready to run.\n\nI have only glanced at the second book but it also appears to be good.\n\nHope this helps!\nMark Larsen\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nmarkl@hunan.rastek.com\n\n\"This R2 unit has a bad motivator!\"\n   - Luke, Star Wars\n","1031":"From: revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille)\nSubject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God?\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 22\n\nJames Sledd (jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:\n: Are the Serbs doing the work of God?  Hmm...\n\n: I've been wondering if anyone would ever ask the question,\n\n: Are the governments of the United States and Europe not moving\n: to end the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs because the targets are\n: muslims?\n\n: Can\/Does God use those who are not following him to accomplish\n: tasks for him?  Esp those tasks that are punative?\n\n: James Sledd\n: no cute sig....  but I'm working on it.\n\nAre you suggesting that God supports genocide?\nPerhaps the Germans were \"punishing\" Jews on God's behalf?\n\nAny God who works that way is indescribably evil, and unworthy of\nmy worship or faith.\n\nrevdak@netcom.com\n","1032":"From: suraj@apollo.cs.jhu.edu (Suraj Surendrakumar)\nSubject: ==> NEW STEREO SYSTEM\/COMPONENTS FOR SALE <==\nOrganization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 29\n\n\n\n10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404\ntape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver\nhas 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950\nfor the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate\npieces also if desired. Please send best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu.\n\nSpeakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers\n\t  Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer.\n\nReceiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty.\n\t  Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer.\n\t  Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections,\n\t  60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel\n\t  Has all the standard features, and more.\n\nTape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck\n\t   Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer.\n\t   Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro.\n\t   Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides.\n           Has all standard features.\n\nSend E-mail with best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu\n\n-Suraj\n\n\n\n","1033":"From: jeffl@servprod.inel.gov (Jeff Later)\nSubject: eXpEn$iVe MOTOROLA Handheld Radio For Peanuts!\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: WINCO\nLines: 36\n\nHeavy-duty, commercial, TINY,(6x3x1\/2 inch) WATERPROOF, VHF 2 watt, 2 channel,\nhandheld two-way radio.  MOTOROLA EXPO purchased NEW for Amateur frequencies\n146.10\/70 & 146.34\/94.  Absolute  M I N T  condition!  Never scratched, dropped,\nopened, or otherwise \"comprosmised\"!  Can be re-crystaled for business band.\nhas PL slot.  \n                                           Original Price:\n                                         ========================\n\nMOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT\/2CHAN. HT--------------------$1200.00\n(comes with portable charger, antenna, manual, \nNEW Ni-Cad pack, back housing belt clip)\nMOTOROLA extra NEW Ni-Cad pack-----------------------$  40.00\nMOTOROLA extra VHF rubber-duckie antenna-------------$  12.50\nMOTOROLA Desktop quick charger-----------------------$ 135.00\nMOTOROLA External speaker-mic.-----------------------$ 125.00\nMOTOROLA +12V cig. lighter Battery Eliminator--------$  80.00\nMOTOROLA Heavy-Duty Nylon holster--------------------$  25.00\nMOTOROLA EXPO Technical Manuals----------------------$   5.00\nMOTOROLA EXPO tuning\/case opening tools--------------$  N\/C\n                                                ---------------------\n                                                     $1622.50\n\nWould like $400, or BEST OFFER!!!\n\nThanks a lot!\n\nJeff\n\n _____________________________________________________________________________\n||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~||\n||Jeff B. Later  WB7TZA  \"jeffl@pmafire.inel.gov\" |    \"I have become        ||\n||*\"Disclaimer, Disclaimer, Where's My Lawyer!\"*  |   comfortably numb\"      || \n||                                                |      Pink Floyd          ||\n| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |\n ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n\n","1034":"From: ajg1678@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nSubject: Re: Buick heater controls\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxa.isc.rit.edu\nReply-To: ajg1678@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 1\n\nI had the exactly same problem with my '70 Lesabre. It was also from Cal.     What I did was go to the local junkyard and pick up a diaphragm from a '68      Lesabre with the same heater set up.  It worked for me, but a little bit slow   to change from vents to defogger.  Better than nothing!\n","1035":"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon)\nSubject: Re: Constitutionality of 18 U.S.C 922(o)\nNntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 50\n\nbrians@atlastele.com (Brian Sheets) writes:\n\n>You know, I was reading 18 U.S.C. 922 and something just did not make \n>sence and I was wondering if someone could help me out.\n\n>Say U.S.C. 922 :\n\n>(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for\n>any person to transfer or possess a machinegun.\n\n> Well I got to looking in my law dictionary and I found that a \"person\" \n>might also be an artificial entity that is created by government \n>and has no rights under the federal constitution. So, what I \n>don't understand is how a statute like 922 can be enforced on \n>an individual. So someone tell me how my government can tell\n>me what I can or cannot possess. Just passing a law \n>does not make it LAW. Everyone knows that laws are constitional\n>until it goes to court. So, has it ever gone to court, not\n>just your run of the mill \"Ok I had it I am guilty, put me in jail\"\n\n>Has anyone ever claimed that they had a right to possess and was told\n>by the Supreme Court that they didn't have that right?\n\n\n\n>-- \n>Brian Sheets\t\t    _   \/|  \t\"TRUCK?! What truck?\"\n>Support Engineer  \t    \\`o_O'    \t \n>Atlas Telecom Inc. \t      ( ) \t   -Raiders of the Lost Ark\n>brians@atlastele.com           U\n\nI'm not a lawyer but to the best of my understanding, the Congress has no\nmore rights than what is enumerated in the constitution.  That is the \nprime reason why the National Firearms Act is based on collecting revenue.\nSince the Congress has the authority to levy taxes, the NFA is a tax act and\nthe registration requirement within it is to assist in that tax collection.\nU.S.C 922, in order to be constitutional, must have a basis on a particular\nauthority granted to the Congress by the Constitution.  Congress can not\narbitrarily ban a substance or product.  That is why prohibition came into\neffect, only by passing an ammendment.   What you said about constitutionality\nof law needs to be clarified.  I believe that an unconstitutional law was \nnever constitutional.  When a law is determined by the Supreme Court, to be\nunconstitutional, that law was never really a law.  The very nature of the law\nbeing unconstitutional invalidates the law at it's inception.  Please correct\nme if I'm wrong, but when a law is deemed to be unconstitutional, anyone\nconvicted of breaking that law is absolved.\n   I don't believe U.S.C 922 has ever been challenged in court.  NFA has been\ninvalidated in two Federal District Court cases( one may have been appellate\nlevel{ U.S. vs Rock Island Armory  and U.S. vs Dalton}).\n\n","1036":"From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland)\nSubject: Re: plus minus stat\nOrganization: Malaspina College\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.222846.17764@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n> It is meaningless to compare one player's plus\/minus statistic with\n> another players' out of the context of the role and the playing time\n> of the players involved.    \n\nIt's just as meaningless to compare goals, assists, PIM and any other stat I\ncan think of.  Each player is asked to take a unique role for his team.  The\ncontexts will never be the same from one player to another playing on the\nsame team or different teams.  And yet ... awards are given and promotions\nreceived based in part on these meaningless stats.  The operative words are\n\"in part\" - stats must be interpreted, tempered with other information one\nhas about the player.  \n\n\n> To compare Jagr's and Francis's plus\/minus is ridiculous and absurd...\n\nAnd comparing Jagr's and Francis's points is just as ridiculous and absurd...\nbut not more ridiculous and absurd as comparing goals, assists, points, +\\-\nfor Selanne, Lindros, Juneau, Potvin, and the other rookies in the league...\nand yet...\n\nHow about looking at them for what they are and enjoy the game.\n\nRon\n","1037":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Letter to President, Members of Congress, Newspapers, TV Stations...\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nNews-Software: FSUUCP 1.2 R4\nLines: 111\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nToday marks the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of\n2.5 million Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet\nArmenia. The following letter, which represents a small portion \nof the full text, along with more than 200 pages of historical \ndocuments, scholarly sources, eyewitness accounts and photographs, \nwas sent to President Bill Clinton, members of Congress, editors, \nprogram directors and columnists of major newspapers, journals and \nradio\/TV stations for the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide \nof 2.5 million Muslim people. On April 23 of every year, the people \nof Turkiye remember their dead. They grieve for lost family and the \nlost homes of their grandfathers. This year the Turkish Nation is \nmourning and praying again for her fallen heroes who gave their \nlives generously and with altruism, so that the future generations \nmay live on that anointed soil of the Turkish land happily and \nprosperously.\n\n------------------------- letter ----------------------------------\n\nDuring the years of World War I, the x-Soviet Armenian Government \nhas planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the Muslim people, which \nnot only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people, but was also the \nmethod used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day, \nTurkish historic lands remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenia. In order \nto cover up the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland, \nwhich is the crux of Turkish political demands, fascist x-Soviet Armenia \ncontinues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways:\n\n1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide\nin order to shift international public opinion away from its political\nresponsibility.\n\n2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism \nTriangle, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish \nGenocide.\n\n3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through\nthe ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to \nsilence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests.\n\n4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet\nArmenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through\nterrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters\nof the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian.\n\nUsing all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian Government \nis attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from\nmaking the Turkish Case a contemporary issue.\n\nYet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian Government and its \nterrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks \nto the struggle of those whose closest ones have been systematically \nexterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on \nthis issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of \ngovernments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition \nof the Turkish Genocide.\n\nWith the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial\ndemands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people\nwill unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims\nof the Turkish Genocide demand:\n\n1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian \nDictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide;\n\n2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and\nKurdish people;\n\n3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for \ntheir heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide;\n\n4. that all world governments, and especially the United States, officially\nrecognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse\nto succumb to all Armenian political pressure;\n\n5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it \nhas adopted towards its unreliable ally, x-Soviet Armenia, and officially \nrecognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be \nsupportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands;\n\n6. that the x-Soviet Republics officially recognize the historical fact \nof the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination of \n2.5 million Muslim people in their history books.\n\nThe awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the\nefforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first \ngenocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new \ngeneration has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically\nmature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through\nall necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the \narmed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon\nall Muslims in the United States and Canada to participate vigorously in \nthe political, cultural and religious activities of the 78th Anniversary\nof the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people.\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","1038":"From: timd@fenian.dell.com (Tim Deagan)\nSubject: Homebuilt PAL (EPLD) programer?\nNntp-Posting-Host: fenian.dell.com\nReply-To: timd@fenian.dell.com\nOrganization: SLAMDANZ CYBRNETX\nLines: 13\n\nAnyone know a reasonable circuit for programming PALs?  I am interested\nin programming a wide range of EPLDs but would be happy with something \nthat could handle a 22V10 or thereabouts.\n\nThanks in advance,\n--Tim\n\n---\n{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ timd@fenian.dell.com }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}\n             Rev. Tim Deagan - Official Obnoxious Poster\nNo one but me is responsible for anything I write, believe in or preach\n* \"It is difficult to free fools from chains they revere.\" - Voltaire *\n\n","1039":"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: Riddle me this...\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER  M) writes:\n>That the gas was \"not harmful\", as the sensitive, caring Janet Reno described \n>it?\n\nIs it? As far as I know, tear gas, especially in large concentrations,\nis very dangerous (even toxic) for small children. This makes the\nFBI's supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather \nhypocritical.\n\n                                                       Frank Crary\n                                                       CU Boulder\n\n","1040":"From: bilan@cps.msu.edu (Thomas J Bilan)\nSubject: W4WG & Novell\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Michigan State University\nLines: 23\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: walnut.cps.msu.edu\nOriginator: bilan@walnut.cps.msu.edu\n\nI installed Windows for Workgroups on my network and I'm having problems \nmapping drives in the file-manager.\n\nSituation:\nIf I put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys, NETX will run but I can't access\ndrive f: to log in to Novell.  \nIf I don't put LASTDRIVE = Z in my config.sys I can't access other W4WG \ndrives from the file-manager.\n\nIt seems that there should be a way to make NETX work with the LASTDRIVE = \nstatement in my Config.Sys.\n\nI would appreciate any help.  It's probably an easy problem that all you \nWindows guru's solved many many moons ago...\n\nThanks,\nTom Bilan\n\n-- \n\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\n$ Department of Death by Engineering   ^   Surgeon General's Warning:        $\n$ Michigan State University            ^   Graduate School may cause brain   $\n$ bilan@cps.msu.edu                    ^   damage and sporadic loss of hair  $\n","1041":"From: hans@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Hans Baele)\nSubject: conversion of pic format files to HPGL files\nNntp-Posting-Host: glasnost.cs.kuleuven.ac.be\nOrganization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen\nLines: 20\n\nHello,\n\nCan anybody help me with the conversion of pic format files\nto HPGL files. The question is as follows:\n\nIs it possible to convert files that have been generated in the\npic preprocessor format into HPGL format, suitable for sending\nto a plotter. The hardware involved is IBM RISC\/6000 running AIX\n3.2.3. How should this be done and what software is involved,\nwhere is it available, what does it cost, what are the problems?\n\nRegards,\n\nDani\n\n--------------------------------\nCimad Consultants\nAntwerp, Belgium\ndani@cimad.be\n--------------------------------\n","1042":"From: lapp@waterloo.hp.com (David Lapp)\nSubject: Re: NumLock masking? interference with Meta\/Compose\/ExtendChar, ...\nNntp-Posting-Host: hppadan.waterloo.hp.com\nOrganization: HP Panacom Div Waterloo ON Canada\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.9]\nLines: 34\n\nRalph Seguin (rps@arbortext.COM) wrote:\n: > My question is this:  Is there a means of determining what the state\n: > of CapsLock and\/or NumLock is?\n\n: Alright.  Ignore this.  I have delved a bit deeper (XKeyEvent) and\n: found what I was looking for.\n\n: ev->state   has a bunch of masks to check against (LockMask is the one\n: for CapsLock).  Unfortunately, it appears that the NumLock mask varies\n: from server to server.  How does one tell what mask is numlock and\n: which are for Meta (Mod1Mask, Mod2Mask, Mod3Mask, Mod4Mask, Mod5Mask).\n: eg, SGI's vendor server has Mod2Mask being NumLock, whereas Solaris\n: 1.0.1 OpenWindows 3.0 has Mod3Mask for NumLock.  Is there an\n: unambiguous means of determining NumLock's mask at runtime for any\n: given server?  Sorry for the wasted bandwidth and my appalling ignorance.\n\nYou'll have to check the keysym(s) on each of the keys for each\nmodifier. The one with NumLock in its mapping is the modifier\nyou want. A bit ugly perhaps but I think its currently the only\nway to do this (and it does have some precedent as keysyms are \nused to differentiate CapsLock from ShiftLock for the Lock\nmodifier).\n\nI don't know of an accepted strategy for handling ambiguous\nassignments either. (ie. what if NumLock is mapped for more then\none modifier). I suppose first found is as good as any.\n\nX doesn't handle locking modifiers that well. \n\nHope that helps,\n\nDave Lapp\n\nStandard Disclaimer etc...\n","1043":"From: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek)\nSubject: how to number prongs of a chip?\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 11\nDistribution: usa\nReply-To: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Ren Hoek)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu\nOriginator: ren@flubber.cc.utexas.edu\n\nHow can one tell which prong of your basic chip is number 20?  I realize there\nis a chunk of the chip missing so that one can orient it correctly.  So \nusing that hole as a guide, how can I count the prongs of the chip to find\n#20?  Please help.\n-- \n  |\\    |\\\n  | \\   | \\       Ren Hoek\n  |  \\  |  \\\n  |   | |  |      internet: ren@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n   \\       \/\n   _\\ ^  _\/       \"It is not I who am crazy...  It is I who am MAD!!!\"\n","1044":"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nOrganization: Megatest Corporation\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.100452.16793@csx.cciw.ca> u009@csx.cciw.ca (G. Stewart Beal) writes:\n>In article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu> jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes:\n>>\n>>\tI was wondering if people had any good uses for old\n>>256k SIMMs.  I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac\n>>and I know lots of other people do to.  I have tried to\n>>sell them but have gotten NO interest.\n>>\n>>\tSo, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy\n>>some SIMMs  8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing\n>>about it.\n>>\n>One of the guys at work takes 20 of them, uses cyano-acrylate glue to make\n>five four-wide \"panels\" then constructs a box, with bottom, to use as a\n>pencil holder.\n>\n\nOr, if you've got some entreprenuerial (sp?) spirit, get a cheapy\nclear plastic box, mount the simm inside, and sell it as a 'Pet SIMM'!\n\nI'm sure there are *plenty* of suckers out there who would go\nfor it!\n\naaron\n\n\n","1045":"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)\nSubject: Re: Davidians and compassion\nOrganization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.\nLines: 18\n\n\nIn article <f2dutxH@quack.kfu.com>, pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr20.144825.756@ra.royalroads.ca> \n|> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) writes:\n|> >If one does not follow the teachings of Christ, he is NOT Christian.  \n|> >Too easy?  \n|> \n|> That would exclude most self-proclaimed \"Christians.\" \n|> Do you follow the Ten Commandments?\n\nAs a matter of fact, yes I do or at least I strive to.  I will not\nbe so proud as to boast that my faith is 100%.  I am still human\nand imperfect and therefore, liable to sin.  Thankfully, there is\nopportunity for repentence and forgiveness.\n\nGod be with you,\n\nMalcolm Lee  :)\n","1046":"From: backon@vms.huji.ac.il\nSubject: Re: From Israeli press. TORTURE.\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem\nLines: 115\n\nIn article <1483500344@igc.apc.org>, Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n>\n> From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n> Subject: From Israeli press. TORTURE.\n>\n> \/* Written  4:41 pm  Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum *\/\n> \/* ---------- \"From Israeli press. TORTURE.\" ---------- *\/\n> FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS.\n>\n> Newspaper: Ma'ariv Date: 18. December 1992 Author: Avi Raz\n>\n> Subject: Torture\n\n\nSigh.\n\nFarwell LA, Donchin E. The truth will out: Interrogative polygraphy (\"lie\ndetection\") with event-related brain potentials. Psychophysiology\n1991;28:531-547\n\n\"The research reported here was supported in part by contract number 87F350800\nwith the Central Intelligence Agency. Preliminary reports were presented at the\n1986, 1988, and 1989 meetings of the Society for Psychophysiological Research\".\n\nDonchin happens to be an Israeli.\n\nDo you really think that Israel needs something as primitive as torture when it\nhas THIS as well as something brought over by a Russian mathematician from the\nLenningrad Military Hospital in 1979  (factor-analysis of multiple unit\nactivity of the brain) ???  Surely you jest.\n\nWhen Israel sics trained dogs on Arab prisoners the way it's commonly done on\nprison farms in Mississippi or Alabama, *then* you have a right to protest\nagainst torture. When Israeli security personnel beat Arab prisoners the way\nChicago police do, *then* you have a right to complain. Since it does NOT\npractice physical torture in any way, kindly refrain from using this word.\n\nJosh\nbackon@VMS.HUJI.AC.IL\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>\n> Title of article: Moderate physical pressure\n>\n> Several times in the course of the long hours in the interrogation\n> room in Tulkarm prison, during which he says he was humiliated,\n> beaten and tortured, Omar Daoud Jaber heard his interrogator, a\n> Shabak agent 'Captain Louis', chatting on the phone with his wife.\n> \"At those moments\", Omar said, \"I felt that he was like a\n> humanbeing, but right after he finished talking, he would be beat\n> me and say, 'You listened to the conversation and enjoyed\n> yourself' and I understood that he was not really a human being\".\n>\n> In late October 1992, after 38 days in detention at Tulkarm\n> prison, Omar Jaber was released without charges. \"Among the Jews,\n> as among the Arabs, there are good people and bad people\", he said\n> after his release, \"but there, in Tulkarm, in the interrogations\n> rooms, you cannot find even one person about whom you can say that\n> he is a human being\". Although he left the detention installation\n> in Tulkarm bruised and humiliated (\"I sat at home for ten days. My\n> hands shook from nerves\"), one may consider Omar Jaber lucky: He\n> got out, not so healthy, but entire, and even ultimately returned\n> to normal functioning, at the small solar heater plant he owns.\n>\n> In contrast, Hassan Bader al-Zbeidi, for example, was released\n> seven weeks ago from detention in Tulkarm after 33 days in the\n> Shabak wing, cut off from his surroundings. He doesn't speak or\n> react. Mustafa Barakat, aged only 23, who was arrested in early\n> August and was brought to the Tulkarm detention installation, left\n> it one day later - dead. \"We have recently received an especially\n> large number of testimonies concerning cruel tortures employed at\n> the Tulkarm detention installation by Shabak interrogators\", noted\n> Dr. Niv Gordon, director of the Association of Israel and\n> Palestinian Physicians for Human Rights. (...)\n>\n> The right to complain against the Shabak does not excite Anan\n> Saber Makhlouf, a 20 year old student. In fact, he was extremely\n> fearful about describing the manner in which he was interrogated\n> in Tulkarm prison, in case the publication in the paper would\n> return him to detention and lead to renewed mistreatment.\n>\n> (...follow description of tortures....)\n>\n> Omar, a tall bearded man, was silent. \"I do not want to talk about\n> it\", he finally said, quietly. Some time later, embarrased and\n> ashamed, he spoke: \"Sometimes he beats you and beats you until\n> you'll kiss his hand, and not only his hand. Even the hands of\n> another interrogator, and another, whom he calls into the room,\n> and the last interrogator says:\" Now you are kissing my hand, and\n> later if I want, you will kiss my ass.\"\n>\n> These things take place in an Israeli army detention installation,\n> located within the military government compound in Tulkarm (West\n> Bank). But the Shabak interrogation wing is a separate kingdom. In\n> early March the IDF allowed representatives of B'Tselem, the\n> Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Territories, to\n> visit Tulkarm prison, but denied them access to the interrogation\n> wing. \"The interrogation wing is Shabak property, being solely\n> under Shabak responsibility. All interrogations are performed by\n> it\", said Lieutnant Sharon Sho'an, the commander of the\n> installation, according to the internal report written by B'tselem\n> member, Yuval Ginbar, following the visit. Major David Pe'er,\n> governing commander of the prison system in the Central Command,\n> was quoted in the report:  \"There is an ethical problem here - no\n> one can enter the interrogation wing\".\n>\n> Transl. by I. Shahak\n>\n","1047":"From: etjet@levels.unisa.edu.au\nSubject: Aussie needs info on car shows\nReply-To: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au\nOrganization: University of South Australia\nLines: 54\n\n\n\nHi from Australia,\n\nI am a car enthusiast in Australia.\n \nI am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the \n1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler\/Mopar, GM.\n\nI will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993.\n\nChicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6\nDenver:  Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9\nAustin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21\nOklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24\nAnaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27\nLas Vegas, Nevada:  Friday May 28- Sunday May 30\nGrand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1\nLas Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June\nSouth Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9\nReno: Thursday June 10\nSan Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13\n\n\nI was wondering if anyone could send me any information of \ncar shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period.\nCan anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year?\n\nAlso, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections, \nyour collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated!\n\nI am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models). \nI am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is:\n1968-1970 AMX\n1968-1974 Javelin\n1969 SCRAMBLER\n1970 Rebel Machine\nand others\n\nIf you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them,\ntell me, I will be interested.\n\nI can also send\/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if \nyou are interested.\n\n\nPlease reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au\n\n\nThanks,\n\nJohn Tsimbinos \n\n\n","1048":"From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham)\nSubject: Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City\nOrganization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA.\nLines: 16\n\nRegarding David Wilkerson's prophecies.  While I'm not real sure of\nhis credibility, I do remember a book he wrote, called A VISION or\nsomething like that.  He made a prediction that people who bought gold\nwould be hurt financially.  At the time, gold was up to about $800;\nnow it is less than half that.  This prediction stuck in my mind\nbecause a lot of people where I worked were buying gold.\n\nThe problem is, we tend to remember predictions that come true and\nforget ones that didn't (a la Jean Dixon).  Does anyone know if there\nany of his predictions, perhaps from the book I mentioned, that can\npretty definitely be said to have not come true?\n--\n-Fred Gilham    gilham@csl.sri.com\n\"Peace is only better than war when it's not hell too.  War being hell\nmakes sense.\"\n               -Walker Percy, THE SECOND COMING\n","1049":"From: osinski@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Marek Osinski)\nSubject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque\nLines: 12\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu> mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon) writes:\n\n>Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in\n>Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial\n>waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of \n>Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean.\n\nWell, it did not take long to see how consequent some Greeks are in\nrequesting that Thessaloniki are not called Solun by Bulgarian netters. \nSo, Napoleon, why do you write about Konstantinople and not Istanbul?\n\nMarek Osinski\n","1050":"From: mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Michael D. Walker)\nSubject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 24\n\n\n\t\n\n\tJust a quick reminder:  \n\n\tThe way you are interpreting those passages is your opinion.  You make\n\tit sound as if your opinion is somehow an undisputable fact.\n\n\tMany would interpret the passages you cite very differently.\n\n\t(Many have--several of the great theologians you mentioned do that \n\tvery thing.  These were people who had much more expertise in the\n\tinterpretation of scripture than you or me or probably anyone reading\n\tthis newsgroup.  To say that all of them are wrong and you are right\n\tis, in my opinion, (notice those last three words) coming pretty darn\n\tclose to the sin of pride.  \n\n\tIn the future I would suggest you not be so absolutist in your \n\tinterpretations, especially when contradicting highly respected\n\tdoctors of Christianity.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t- Mike Walker\n\t\t\t\t\t  mdw33310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu\n\t\t\t\t\t  (Univ. of Illinois)\n","1051":"From: hamilton@romulus.ehs.uiuc.edu (Wayne Hamilton)\nSubject: Re: Null modem: 25 pin serial\nArticle-I.D.: news.C520Gs.Dyw\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 57\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nBruce Maynard (drac@uumeme.chi.il.us) wrote:\n> In article <93083.215554MAL112@psuvm.psu.edu> Mitch Lewars <MAL112@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n> >Can someone give me the specs\n> >on a null modem cable, I ferget\n> >which get crossed.... =-)\n> >    mal112@psuvm.psu.edu\n\n> That's an easy one... carry all 25 pins straight thru, with the exception of\n> pins 2 & 3, which should be crossed...\n\nas someone else already mentioned, don't \"carry thru\" the other 23 pins.\n\nplan A, minimal null modem:\n\tSG(7)   -  SG(7)\n\tTD(2)   -  RD(3)\n\tRD(3)   -  TD(2)\nif you're transfering files betwen 2 PCs, this ought to work (unless\nyou have a persnickity comm program).\n\nplan B, null modem with modem control:\n\tSG(7)   -  SG(7)\n\tTD(2)   -  RD(3)\n\tRD(3)   -  TD(2)\n\tDCD(8)  -  DTR(20)\n\tDTR(20) -  DCD(8)\nsome comm software will wait for DCD before transferring anything.\nsuch software will raise DTR to enable the modem to accept a call.\nwith this cable, each side's DTR will drive the other's DCD.\n\nplan C, null modem with hardware flow control:\n\tSG(7)   -  SG(7)\n\tTD(2)   -  RD(3)\n\tRD(3)   -  TD(2)\n\tRTS(4)  -  CTS(5)\n\tCTS(5)  -  RTS(4)\nfor high-speed transfers, you want the flow control.\n\nplan D, deluxe null modem (combine B and C):\n\tSG(7)   -  SG(7)\n\tTD(2)   -  RD(3)\n\tRD(3)   -  TD(2)\n\tRTS(4)  -  CTS(5)\n\tCTS(5)  -  RTS(4)\n\tDCD(8)  -  DTR(20)\n\tDTR(20) -  DCD(8)\nthis one is ideal.  it leaves out DSR and RI (rarely used anymore).\nif you're really paranoid, or you just have an 8th wire to spend,\nyou might add:\n\tFG(1)   -  FG(1)\n\nthe pin numbers above are (obviously) for 25-pin connectors.\ni don't have a 9-pin pinout handy.\n\n--\n\twayne hamilton\nI'net:\thamilton@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu\nLowtek:\tBox 476, Urbana, IL 61801; (217)384-4310(voice), -4311(BBS)\n","1052":"From: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu (Steven A. Morris)\nSubject: Re: wife wants convertible\nOrganization: Addiction Studies Program, Seattle University\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sumax.seattleu.edu\n\nIf you hold off, there are a number of interesting convertibles coming\nto market in the next few years.\n\nThe new LeBaron will be based on the Mitsubishi Galant, which should\nbe an improvement over the current model.\n\nThe new PL compact will have a convertible option (also a chrysler\nproduct)\n\nKia, makers of the Ford Festiva is planning a larger convertible.\n-- \nSteve Morris, M.A.    : Internet: smorris@sumax.seattleu.edu\nAddiction Studies Pgm : uucp    :{uw-beaver,uunet!gtenmc!dataio}!sumax!smorris\nSeattle University    : Phone   : (206) 296-5350 (dept) or 296-5351 (direct)\nSeattle, WA 98122_____:________________________________________________________\n","1053":"From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)\nSubject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f\nNntp-Posting-Host: birdie.i88.isc.com\nOrganization: Lachman Technology, Incorporated, Naperville, IL\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:\n>>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:\n\n[lots of things, none of which are quoted here]\n\n>>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:\n>>>  You think your *average* dirt biker can jump\n>>>a 3 foot log? \n>\n>How about an 18\" log that is suspended about 18\" off of the ground?\n>For that matter, how about a 4\" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the\n>ground?\n\nOh, ye of little imagination.\n\nYou don't jump over those - that's where you lay the bike down and slide under!\n-- \nJonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated\nDoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 \"Gleep\"                 Naperville, IL\n __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,\n \\\/                   followed by the words \"Daddy!  Yay!\"\n","1054":"From: healta@saturn.wwc.edu (Tammy R Healy)\nSubject: Re: Free Moral Agency and Kent S.\nLines: 37\nOrganization: Walla Walla College\nLines: 37\n\nIn article <sandvik-140493185034@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n>From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\n>Subject: Re: Free Moral Agency and Kent S.\n>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 01:51:57 GMT\n>In article <healta.135.734811375@saturn.wwc.edu>, healta@saturn.wwc.edu\n>(TAMMY R HEALY) wrote:\n>> Ezekiel 28:17 says, Your hart was filled with pride because of all your \n>> beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor.  Therefore \n>> I have cast you down the the ground and exposed you helpless before the \n>> curious gaze of Kings.\"\n>\n>> For those of you who are Bible scholars, you knowthat the 1st 11 verses \n>> refer to the Prince of Tyre.  This is a prophesy about and addressed to the \n>> human prince.  Verses 12-19 refer to the King of Tyre, which is a term for \n>> Satan.\n>\n>Tammy, what's the rationale to connect the prince of Tyre with Satan,\n>could you give us more rational bible cites, thanks? I'm afraid that\n>if this is not the case, your thinking model falls apart like a house\n>of cards. But let's see!\n>\n>Cheers,\n>Kent\n>---\n>sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n\nAt the time Ezekiel was written, Israel was in apostacy again and if I'm not \nmistaken, Tyre was about to make war on Israel.  Like I said, the Prince of \nTyre was the human ruler of Tyre.  He was a wicked man.  By calling Satan \nthe King of Tyre, Ezekiel was saying that Satan is the real ruler over Tyre.\n\nDon't think my interpretation is neccessarily the orthodox Christian one, \nalthough most Christian Bible commentaries interpret the King of Tyre as \nbeing a reference to Satan. (I haven't read Ezekiel throughly in a long \ntime.)\n\nTammy\n","1055":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>Now along comes Mr Keith Schneider and says \"Here is an \"objective\n>moral system\".  And then I start to ask him about the definitions\n>that this \"objective\" system depends on, and, predictably, the whole\n>thing falls apart.\n\nIt only falls apart if you attempt to apply it.  This doesn't mean that\nan objective system can't exist.  It just means that one cannot be\nimplemented.\n\nkeith\n","1056":"Subject: *** New Computer Books for Sale ***\nFrom: mparikh@uceng.uc.edu (Mehul Parikh)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Cincinnati\nLines: 15\n\n\nHi!\n\nI have several computer related books for sale. They are all new,\nunused and hence in excellent condition. The subjects include\nProgramming Languages (C, C++, LISP, PROLOG), Operating Systems\n(UNIX, DOS), Windows, X-Windows, LAN, AI, and Expert Systems.\n\nIf you are interested, pls. contact me at:\n\n\t\t\tparikhma@ucunix.san.uc.edu\n\nThanks.\n\n-M. Parikh\n","1057":"Subject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nFrom: Stephen.Gibson@sonoma.edu <Stephen Gibson>\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Sonoma State University\nNntp-Posting-Host: computer_ctr.sonoma.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d1\nLines: 32\n\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.220556.19652@news.uit.no> Svein Pedersen,\nsp@odin.fna.no writes:\n>Sorry, I did`nt tell exactly what I need.\n>\n>I need a utility for automatic updating (deleting, adding, changing) of\n*.ini \n>files for Windows. \n>The program should run from Dos batchfile or the program run a script\nunder Windows.\n>\n>I will use the utility for updating the win.ini (and other files) on\nmeny PC`s.  \n>\n>Do I find it on any FTP host?\n>\n> Svein\n>\n\nIf you are managing PC's on a Novell network, get the network management\ntools provided by either Sabre Software or Automated Design Systems. \nAmong the many features, you'll find utilities that can help you to\nmanage .INI files stored on users' workstations or home directories. \nThis is commercial software and well worth the money.  To date, I have\nnot found ANYTHING available via FTP that could compare.  Reply to the\naddress in my .SIG for more info.\n----------------------------------\nStephen Gibson, System Support Specialist\nSonoma State University\neMAIL:\tgibsonst@sonoma.edu\n\t\t\t\t\t\tStephen.Gibson@sonoma.edu\n","1058":"From: jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu (Jeff Meyers)\nSubject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems....\nOrganization: California State University, Chico\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: psycho.ecst.csuchico.edu\n\nIn article <1qkqrhINNobc@matt.ksu.ksu.edu> kentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) writes:\n.\n.\n>I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here\n>using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the\n>modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine.\n\nTell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card!  My 9600 baud\nmodem was one of the reasons I sought out the Diamond Speedstar 24X. I get\nabout 7 million WinMarks on my 386-25 and it just about keeps up with the\nmodem speed (using procomm plus for windows, too).  He should get over\n10 million on his machine with the same card.  Anything 10+ should yield\nacceptable speed...\n\n\n-- \n============================================================================\n| Jeff Meyers      |  jmeyers@ecst.csuchico.edu      | 39x43'N  121x48'W   |\n| Chico, Ca 95926  |  KD6DIS@KE6LW.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA  | Grid: CN80-CM99 ??  |\n============================================================================\n","1059":"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Re: Swimming pool defense\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <dasmith.734719640@husc.harvard.edu> dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu (David Smith) writes:\n>Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will improve these kids' chances\n>of getting another job in the future, but what inner city kid would want to hold\n>down just one more minimum wage job when there is so much more money to be made\n>dealing drugs?  \n\nWhat suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so\nmuch more money to be made dealing drugs?\n\nYet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs.  So do inner\ncity kids, when give the chance.  Any reason you think that inner city kids\nare incapable of doing legitimate work?\n-- \nted frank                 | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |         I'm sorry, the card says \"Moops.\"\nthe u of c law school     | \nstandard disclaimers      | \n","1060":"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)\nSubject: Re: ADB Mouse II (ergo) -- when?\nDistribution: comp\nOrganization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 16\nNntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se\n\nIn <JAS.93Apr15161243@tigger.ISI.EDU> jas@ISI.EDU (Jeff Sullivan) writes:\n\n>When is Apple supposed to start bundlign the new ergonomic ADB Mouse\n>II with all CPUs sold?\n\nAs far as I know, they did; my new Mac came with one yesterday...\n(And I got my ergonomic keyboard, on order for three months, the\nother day, too!)\n\nCheers,\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\/ h+\n-- \n -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --\n\n  \"On a clear disc, you can seek forever.\"\n","1061":"From: dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf)\nSubject: Plymouth Sundance\/Dodge Shadow experiences?\nOrganization: Texas A&M University, College Station\nLines: 9\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tamuts.tamu.edu\n\nAnother user recently requested info about the Shadow\/Sundance\ncars, but I haven't seen any public responses.\n\nWhat are people's experiences with these cars?\n\nDaryl\n\n             Daryl Biberdorf  N5GJM    d-biberdorf@tamu.edu\n               + Sola Gratia + Sola Fide + Sola Scriptura\n","1062":"From: ab245@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sam Latonia)\nSubject: Re: ISA bus pin question; re: Diamond Speedstar 24X\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nThe JP5 on the Speedstar 24x is for those systems with boot-up problems.\nIf your system fails to boot-up proprtly, please pull off the jumper\nblock from jp5. This will not affect the proformance of the SpeedStar 24x.\n \nThis is what my manual says about jp5. I never knew that it was there\nbut the card is a real ask kicker in my book. It beats the hell out\nof my junk Sony 1604s to the point that I can't even use above 648x480\nmode much...Sam\nSome times an upgrage turns out to be a big overkill, like driving a Sony\nwith a 24x that the monitor can't handle. Or installing 60ns simms and\nthen finding out that your mother board doesn't have a cmos wait state\nadjustment to take advantage of the new 60ns simms that you just bought!\n-- \nGosh..I think I just installed a virus..It was called MS DOS6...\nDon't copy that floppy..BURN IT...I just love Windows...CRASH...\n","1063":"From: marc@pinet.aip.org (Marc Wiener)\nSubject: core dump from getcons(?)\nOrganization: American Institute of Physics\nLines: 11\n\nWe are getting a memory fault and a core dump whenever we end a Motif\nsession under Ultrix 4.3, running on a DEC 5000\/240. An examintion of the \ncore file leads us to believe it's from getcons. Does anyone know what\nthis is all about?\n\nmarc\n-- \nMarc Wiener                    |    marc@aip.org\nAmerican Institute of Physics  |    \n500 Sunnyside Blvd.            |    Voice: (516)576-2329 \nWoodbury, NY 11797             |    Fax:   (516)349-7669\n","1064":"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing\nFrom: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>\nSubject: Re: NL vs. AL?\n <93102.164224RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu> <1993Apr13.184311.16351@news.yale.edu>\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.184311.16351@news.yale.edu>, (Sean Garrison) says:\n>\n>In article <93102.164224RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>, RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu\n>wrote:\n>\n>> pitchers who are doing well are\n>> more likely to be taken out of the game in the nl than they are in the al,\n>> so it seems to me that the al, not the nl, promotes pitchers' duels.\n>>\n>> bob vesterman.\n>\n>\n>On what basis do you make this statement?\n>\n>                                Q Sean\n\nare you serious? pitchers are pinch-hit for in the nl.  they are not in the\nnl.  if a pitcher is cranking in the al, he will stay in the game.  if he\nis cranking in the nl, he may not - ESPECIALLY if it's a pitchers' duel,\nand his team needs an extra run.\n\nbob vesterman.\n\n","1065":"Subject: Need rgb data from saved images\nFrom: <JER114@psuvm.psu.edu>\nOrganization: Penn State University\nLines: 4\n\n  Could someone please help me find a program or figure out how to extract a li\nst of R G B values for each pixel in an image.  I can convert between tga and s\neveral other popular formats but I need the R G B values for use in a program I\n am writing.  Thanks for the help\n","1066":"From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)\nSubject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!\nOrganization: The Wollongong Group, Palo Alto, CA\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <viking.734937529@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:\n>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:\n>\n>mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in,\n>just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a\n>fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me!  When I saw her jump\n>the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead\n>of me but a good forty to the side.  Damn cow literally chased me\n>down and nailed me.  No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a\n>severely annoyed rider were the only casualties.  If I had my\n>shotgun I'd still be eating steak.  Nope, if 2200lbs of cow\n>can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more\n>manueverable dog.  Just run them over.\n>\n\nOne day out riding, my friend and i were passing a field of goats and\nnoticed 2 out on the road. As we slowed to pass the ram made a dash at \nmy friend just missing him and then tangling it self up in the barb wire\nfence. Being good samaritains and generally nice guys we turned around to \nuntrangle the goat from the barbed wire. As I pulled up next to him\n(seeing him still tangled up), stopped the bike and got off the Goat had\nvanished (into the field I guess).\n\n\t\tJolly Roger\n\n","1067":"From: stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru)\nSubject: Re: Reasons : was Re: was: Go Hezbollah!\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 32\n\n\nHossien Amehdi writes:\n\n\n>In article <1993Apr15.160224.15940@unocal.com> stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes:\n>>>Now, about tough talk and arrogance, we are adults, aren't we ? Do you listen \n>>>to tough talk of american politicians ? or switch  the channel ? \n\n\n>I guess, I didn't make my point clear.  In the case of Israel government, it \n>is not only tough talk for its intimidation policy.  After all, not many\n>people are intimidated just by talking.  Here how it goes: tough talks,\n>followed by aggressive actions followed by taking pride of those actions and\n>bragging about them.  >\n\nAgressive actions are taken by both sides. Tough talk is done by both sides.\nWhen an arab leader is menacing to throw all jews in the water is also tough talk,\nI think. And killing people is mildly agressive (justified, in your opinion \nif they are israeli soldiers, justified, in others' opinion if they are jews, not\njustified at all in others opinion).\n\nWhen Brad wrote the article about 3 Israelis killed, ther was a lot of pride \nand satisfaction in his lines. That's what I feel disgusting. We may agree \nor not when a killing is 'technically' murder, but being enthousiastic about it?\n\n\nAnd again, I may appreciate some of your points, but you are not objective. That\nis not a blame, just a remark.\n\n\nDorin\n\n","1068":"From: etuggle@auc.trw.com (Eddie Tuggle)\nSubject: Re: UHC SVR4.0.3.6 forsale..\nKeywords: UHC, SVR4\nOrganization: TRW Denver Operations\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <C5I0rs.Kzo@gator.rn.com> larry@gator.rn.com (Larry Snyder) writes:\n>darylm@illian.mnet.com (Daryl V. McDaniel) writes:\n\n ...\n\n>\n>considering the conversation about UHC on the net, I wouldn't say $1K is\n>a good deal -- considering the package is inflated in price to start with\n>\n>-- \n>Larry Snyder                               \n>larry@gator.rn.com\n\n\nWhat problems have you had with UHC?  I have been using their OS for 2 years\nand have had very few problems.\n-- \nEddie D. Tuggle, etuggle@dora.auc.trw.com | \"There is nothing either good or \nTRW Denver Operations                     |  bad, but thinking makes it so.\"\n16201 Centretech Pky \/ Aurora, CO  80011  |                -- SHAKESPEARE\nVoice:  303.360.4001  FAX:  303.360.4133  |\n","1069":"From: wsa@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Warren S. Arbogast)\nSubject: Re: Spelling Error on the Stanley Cup??\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 24\n\nr_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu  writes:\n>   I was reading a newspaper tidbit that mentioned that there is a\n> grammatical error on the Stanley Cup. This newspaper, \"The \n> Union Leader\"  (Manchester, New Hampshire), stated that one of the\n> years that the New York Islanders won the cup, the printing on the\n> actual cup stated \"New York Ilanders\". Can anyone verify this?? I\n> forgot the exact year that this supposedly occured. Any die-hard\n> Islander fans know about this?? The reason why I am asking is\n> because the paper is not very reliable, we call it \"The Union\n> Mis-leader\".\n> \n> \n> Randy\n> Plymouth State College\n> r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu\n\nSpeaking of spelling errors on the Cup, I wonder if the \"h\" in\nPittsburgh made it to the Cup.  You know how funny people can\nbe about spelling Pittsburgh.\n--\nWarren Arbogast\nDarden Visual Communications          \"with 10 miles behind them           \nUniversity of Virginia                            and 10,000 more to go\"\n  \n","1070":"From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nKeywords: Nata thing !!\nNntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu\nReply-To: Matthew Hamilton\nOrganization: Kent State University CS\nLines: 68\n\nIn article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>, <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:\n> I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors,\n> but here goes:\n> \n> Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT\n> \n>                     MURDER  MOST  FOUL!!\n> \n> CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all\n> the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The\n> lies from ATF say \"holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear\n> gas pumped in\". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up.\n> ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that\n> the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit\n> napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.\n> \n> THIS IS MURDER!\n> \n> ATF MURDERERS!  BUTCHERS!!\n> \n> THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN!\n> \n> I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see\n> it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was\n> still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left\n> alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won.\n> \n> I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO  SURVIVORS**!\n> \n> God help us all.\n> \n> \n> PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN!\n> \n> \n> W. K. Gorman - an American in tears.\n\nFlame on!!\n\nIs this guy serious????\n\nIf he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media\n   for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts \n   are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe). \n   Any ways one of Koresh's DEVOTED followers that DID I REPEAT DID survive this\n   \"GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE\".  Besides there are nine \n   survivors in the burn-unit of the local hospital and was reported that David\n   was in one of the towers when the shit hit the fan.  Besides, a majority of \n   these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of,\n   this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp).  Also\n   someone should have told David and his followers that if they can't the heat\n   then they should stay out of the kitchen!! (pun intended)\n\nFlame off\n\n\" Aaah Daniaalson yah wanna fight,  fight me!!\"      \n-- \n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Matthew R. Hamilton   | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu    |      A.K.A              |\n| CS\/ Physics Major     | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu |   (The Lawnmowerman)    |\n| Kent State University\t| 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu |\t\t\t     |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n|                                                                            |\n|                                                                            |\n|      Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy        |\n|                                                                            |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n","1071":"From: thomsonal@cpva.saic.com\nSubject: Cosmos 2238: an EORSAT\nArticle-I.D.: cpva.15337.2bc16ada\nOrganization: Science Applications Int'l Corp.\/San Diego\nLines: 48\n\n>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1993 15:40:47 GMT\n\n>I need as much information about Cosmos 2238 and its rocket fragment (1993-\n>018B) as possible. Both its purpose, launch date, location, in short,\n>EVERYTHING! Can you help?\n\n>-Tony Ryan, \"Astronomy & Space\", new International magazine, available from:\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nOcean Reconnaissance Launch Surprises West\nSpace News, April 5-11, 1993, p.2\n[Excerpts]\n     Russia launched its first ocean reconnaissance satellite in 26 months \nMarch 30, confounding Western analysts who had proclaimed the program dead. \n     The Itar-TASS news agency announced the launch of Cosmos 2238 from \nPlesetsk Cosmodrome, but provided little description of the payload's mission. \n     However, based on the satellite's trajectory, Western observers \nidentified it as a military spacecraft designed to monitor electronic \nemissions from foreign naval ships in order to track their movement. \n     Geoff Perry of the Kettering Group in England... [said]  Western \nobservers had concluded that no more would be launched. But days after the \nlast [such] satellite re-entered the Earth's atmosphere, Cosmos 2238 was \nlaunched. \n\n\"Cosmos-2238\" Satellite Launched for Defense Ministry\nMoscow ITAR-TASS World Service in Russian  1238 GMT 30 March 1993\nTranslated in FBIS-SOV-93-060, p.27\nby ITAR-TASS correspondent Veronika Romanenkova\n     Moscow, 30 March -- The Cosmos-2238 satellite was launched at 1600 Moscow \ntime today from the Baykonur by a \"Tsiklon-M\" carrier rocket. An ITAR-TASS \ncorrespondent was told at the press center of Russia's space-military forces \nthat the satellite was launched in the interests of the Russian Defense \nMinistry. \n\nParameters Given\nMoscow ITAR-TASS World Service in Russian 0930 GMT 31 March 1993\nTranslated in FBIS-SOV-93-060, p.27\n     Moscow, 31 March -- Another artificial Earth satellite, Cosmos-2238, was \nlaunched on 30 March from the Baykonur cosmodrome. \n     The satellite carries scientific apparatus for continuing space research. \nThe satellite has been placed in an orbit with the following parameters: \ninitial period of revolution--92.8 minutes; apogee--443 km; perigee--413 km; \norbital inclination--65 degrees. \n     Besides scientific apparatus the satellite carries a radio system for the \nprecise measurement of orbital elements and a radiotelemetry system for \ntransmitting to Earth data about the work of the instruments and scientific \napparatus. The apparatus aboard the satellite is working normally. \n","1072":"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Re: Twitching eyelid\nSummary: Different cause\nNntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 9\n\nI'm surprised nobody mentioned that twitching of the eyelid can be a\nsymptom of an infection, especially if it also itches or stings.\n(It happened to me, and antibiotic eyedrops cleared it up nicely.)\n\n-- \n:-  Michael A. Covington         internet mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :    *****\n:-  Artificial Intelligence Programs       phone 706 542-0358 :  *********\n:-  The University of Georgia                fax 706 542-0349 :   *  *  *\n:-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **\n","1073":"From: jeffp@vetmed.wsu.edu (Jeff Parke)\nSubject: Re: Lyme vaccine\nOrganization: College of Veterinary Medicine WSU\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 45\n\nkathleen richards (kilty@ucrengr) wrote:\n> My nearly-13 year old Pomeranian had a nasty reaction to this vaccination.\n> ...  Suffice it to say, we will not\n> vaccinate her for Lyme disease again.  She's been camping through some 6\n> states and has backpacked with us as well and we are used to watching for ticks\n> and dealing with them and we simply won't take her to really active Lyme\n> disease areas....\n\nNot to drag this out anymore, but....\n\nMany veterinarians feel that Lyme Disease in dogs is so easy to treat that\nin an endemic area, they often just give the appropriate antibiotics to dogs\npresenting with lameness, swollen joints, +\/- fever.\n\nA recent paper (March 1993) has finally established that Lyme disease in dogs\ncan be reproduced in a controlled experimentaly setting.  This has been\nan ellusive matter for researchers, and is one of the fundamental requirements\nfor many to acknowledge an agent as being causitive of a particular disease.\nUp to now, only the vaccine manufacturer has been able to \"prove\" that\nthe disease exists.\n\nThis paper is noteworthy in two other regards:\n\n1) None of the animals they infected were treated in any way.  The dogs\nhad episodes of lameness during a 6-8 week period which occurred 2-5\nmonths after exposure.  After this period, none showed any further\nclinical signs up to the 17 month observation period of the study.  So\nthese are proven, clinically sick Lyme patients showing spontaneous\nrecovery without the benefit of drug treatment. Of course, observations\nlonger than 17 months will be necessary to be sure the disease doesn't\nhave the same chronicity that some see in humans.\n\n2)  The addendum to the paper calls into question the techniques used by the\nvaccine manufacturer to validate the vaccine.  Of course, they want\nthe world to use the model they developed in order to test vaccine\nefficacy.\n\nAnyway, maybe we will see some independent, scientifically sound evaluations\nof this vaccine in the next year or so.\n\n--\nJeff Parke <jeffp@pgavin1.vetmed.wsu.edu>\nalso:   jeffp@WSUVM1.bitnet    AOL: JeffParke\nWashington State University College of Veterinary Medicine class of 1994\nPullman, WA  99164-7012\n","1074":"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nLines: 31\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\n\nfrank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n> In article <1qg8bu$kl5@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon\n> Livesey) writes:\n> #And this \"objective morality\" is........?\n> \n> And here, children, we have a person playing the \"objective morality doesn't \n> exist, show me one\" game.  You can play this with just about anything:\n> \n> And this \"objective medicine\" is.....?\n> And this \"objective physics\" is.....?\n> And this \"objective reality\" is.....?\n\nPrecisely.\n\nThere's no objective medicine; some people get marvellous results from\nalternative therapy, others only respond to traditional medicine.\n\nThere's no objective physics; Einstein and Bohr have told us that.\n\nThere's no objective reality.  LSD should be sufficient to prove that.\n\n> One wonders just what people who ask such questions understand by the term \n> \"objective\", if anything.\n\nI consider it to be a useful fiction; an abstract ideal we can strive\ntowards.  Like an ideal gas or a light inextensible string, it doesn't\nactually exist; but we can talk about things as if they were like it, and not\nbe too far wrong.\n\n\nmathew\n","1075":"From: turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin)\nSubject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG)\nSummary: How virtually?\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu\n\n-*-----\nIn article <noringC5wzM4.41n@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:\n>> ... if you can't observe or culture the yeast \"bloom\" in the\n>> gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or even recognize\n>> the disease.  And I know they realize that it is virtually\n>> impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body \n>> that cannot be easily observed since candida is everywhere in \n>> the body.\n\nIn article <C5y5nM.Axv@toads.pgh.pa.us> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n> You've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory.\n> Find something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying\n> it is the cause of whatever.  Since no one can disprove it, you can\n> rake in the bucks for quite some time.  \n\nI hope Gordon Banks did not mean to imply that notions such as\nhard-to-see candida infections causing various problems should not\nbe investigated.  Many researchers have made breakthroughs by \nfiguring out how to investigate things that were previously thought\n\"virtually impossible to test for.\"\n\nIndeed, I would be surprised if \"candida overbloom\" were such a\nphenomena.  I would think that candida would produce signature\nbyproducts whose measure would then set a lower bound on the \nextent of recent infection.  I realize this might get quite \ntricky and difficult, probably expensive, and likely inconvenient\nor uncomfortable to the subjects, but that is not the same as \n\"virtually impossible.\"\n\nRussell\n","1076":"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: BATF\/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4\/19\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 58\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <C5t38G.IL@news.udel.edu>, roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n> In article <1r1rad$7rl@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n> >In article <C5s0Ds.J54@news.udel.edu>, roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n> \n>   [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the \n>    \"madmen\" were inside or outside the compound.  To which I replied on \n>    the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.]\n\nWas THAT your argument.  Well, you didn't make it very well.  You started \nfrom the questionable premise that the fire was necessarily an act of\ninsanity, rather than an act of negligence or an accident.  Recall, one\nsurvivor claims that the fire started when a tank knocked over a kerosene \nlamp.  Kind of makes arguments regarding relative sanity somewhat moot, no?\n\n> >> According to an Australian documentary made in the year before the stand off \n> >> began, Koresh and his followers all believed he was Christ.  Koresh \n> >> had sex with children and women married to other men in the compound.  \n> >> These were the \"perfect children\" resulting from the \"great seed\" of \n> >> his \"magnified horn\".  Ex-members describe him in ways not dissimilar \n> >> to the way Jim Jones has been described.\n> >\n> >Point noted.  Have you submitted YOUR faith and sex life for BATF clearance?\n> >Better hurry; I believe the deadline was April 15.\n> \n> I paid my taxes.  There was no reference to sex or religion on the form.\n\n\"Nice evasive maneuver, Mr. Chekov, but they're still on our tail.\"\n\nLet me ask it more plainly.  Which of the above complaints about David \nKoresh's religious or sexual proclivities justified an armed raid by the \nBureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms?\n\n> >> >:Two of the nine who escaped the compound said the fire was deliberately set \n> >> >:by cult members.\n\n> >> So, when they talk to the news reporters directly, and relate the same details, \n> >> will you believe them?\n\n> >Believe them?  I won't even RECOGNIZE them.  And neither will anyone else\n> >who doesn't know them personally.\n\n> Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras?\n\nIt's not entirely far-fetched.  Nobody outside the compound would know \nEVERYBODY inside the compound.  Don't forget, the BATF admits having \nagents inside the compound, in any case.\n\n> At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors.\n> Best wait til more light is shed upon them.  Of course, this is no \n> good if you believe in eternal darkness.\n\nI'm simply being the devil's advocate.  There's reasonable doubt by the\nboatload standing in the way of anybody totally swallowing the official \ngovernment story on Waco.\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n","1077":"From: JACK.T.SENDAK@OFFICE.WANG.COM (\"Jack T. Sendak       (V)\")\nSubject: Baseball card FOR SALE\nOrganization: Mail to News Gateway at Wang Labs\nLines: 7\n\nI have a Roberto Clemente 1969 Topps baseball card for sale, in near-mint\ncondition (really as close to mint condition as you can get).  It lists for\n$55 in my most recent baseball card pricelist for May.  I am offering it for\n$50 and I'll pay the certified postage to ship it to you.\n\nPlease respond to Jack.T.Sendak@office.wang.com or at 1-800-999-3732 ext. 5269\nin Maryland.\n","1078":"From: lex@optimla.aimla.com (Lex van Sonderen)\nSubject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???\nNntp-Posting-Host: emerald\nOrganization: Philips Interactive Media of America\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <h1p4s4g@zola.esd.sgi.com> erik@westworld.esd.sgi.com (Erik Fortune) writes:\n>> better than CDI\n>*Much* better than CDI.\nOf course, I do not agree.  It does have more horsepower.  Horsepower is not\nthe only measurement for 'better'.  It does not have full motion, full screen\nvideo yet.  Does it have CD-ROM XA?\n\n>> starting in the 4 quarter of 1993\n>The first 3DO \"multiplayer\" will be manufactured by panasonic and will be \n>available late this year.   A number of other manufacturers are reported to \n>have 3DO compatible boxes in the works.\nWhich other manufacturers?\nWe shall see about the date.\n\n>All this information is third hand or so and worth what you paid for it:-).\nThis is second hand, but it still hard to look to the future ;-).\n\nLex van Sonderen\nlex@aimla.com\nPhilips Interactive Media\n","1079":"From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)\nSubject: Electricty\nX-AltNet-ID: 222833\nLines: 30\n\n \n Sigha.\n \n 1) Trying to figure out a way to put a halogen beam on my CB360T... Are \nthere any easy ways to do this (i.e. a \"slip-in\" bulb replacement)?\n \n 2) Was told by a guy at the bike shop that my \"not damn near bright enough\" \nincandescent beam might be caused by a perma-low battery. So I went and \npicked up this cheapo \"Motorcycle battery and charging system tester\"... \nHook it up to the battery, it's got 3 lights on \"Very good charge\"... Start \nthe engine (to test the charging system), and it doesn't even REGISTER. It's \nsupposed to light 5 or 6 lights if everything is OK, but it stays down at \nthe same point as just the battery.\n \n My question here is, if indeed my charging system is just plain messed up, \nhow the HECK is the battery staying fully charged? I'd think it would be \ndarned near dead from supporting my lights, etc...\n \n Do the '75 CB360T's have a problem with their charging system? Are they \njust generally slower charging than what is normal for bigger bikes?\n \n Is there an easy fix for this?\n \n 3) Happy noise: Put 300 miles on my bike this weekend, finally got myass an \nendorsement.... which is REALLY GOOD, because my cage just quit running \nworth a damn and I won't have money to repair it until the first... ;) And \nthe weatherman says \"Bright and Sunny all week, 20% chance of rain on \nfriday\"...\n \n <big grin, bugs in teeth> \n","1080":"From:  ()\nSubject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???\nOrganization: Apple Computer Inc.\nLines: 28\n\n> ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have\n> concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating\n> from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption\n> of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices.\n> Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault, an\n> example would be a Sony 3.5 inch MO, without the special \"Mac-compatible\"\n> firmware installed. One solution, sometimes, is to disable \"blind writes\"\n> \nTo the best of my knowledge there aren't any problems with Quadras and\nblind transfers.  Trouble with blind transfers usually means the programmer\nscrewed up the TIBs or didn't test their driver with the device in question.\nWell designed TIBs poll or loop at every point where delays of >16\u00b5sec occur.\nThis usually occurs at the first byte of each block of a transfer but some\ndevices can \"hiccup\" in the middle of blocks.  If this happens in the middle\nof a blind transfer there is the possibility of losing or gaining a byte\ndepending on which direction the tranfer was going.  In anycase the SCSI Manager\nwill eventually return a phase error at the end of the transaction because\nit is out of sync.  Actual data loss would only occur if the driver didn't\npay attention to the errors coming back.\n\nNote that this effect is not caused by anything actually on the SCSI Bus but\nrather by the transfer loops inside the SCSI Manager.  The problem occurs when\nthe processor bus errors trying to access the SCSI chip when the next byte\nhasn't been clocked yet.  Also note that the Bus Error is dealt with by a bus\nerror handler and doesn't crash the machine...\n\nClinton Bauder\nApple Computer\n","1081":"From: mveraart@fel.tno.nl (Mario Veraart)\nSubject: Re: Help: Importing .EPS files into Word 2.0\nOrganization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory\nLines: 32\n\njburke@abacus.bates.edu (jburke) writes:\n\n>I was wondering if anyone knew how to view a .EPS in Ms Word 2.0a..\n>Here are the first couple of lines if it helps...\n>%!PS-Adobe-3.0\n>%%Creator: ProWrite\n>%%Title: TCWN\n>%%Orientation: Portrait\n>%%Pages: 12\n>%%PageOrder: Ascend                                                    \n>Can any one Help?\n\n>________________________________________________________________________\n>|       James Burke       |  By reading this you agree not to hold     |\n>|                         |   the writer responsible for any evil      |\n>| jburke@abacus.bates.edu | happening that may befall you at any time. |\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nWe had a similar problem in converting a .EPS file. The solution was simple.\nWe changed the first line from %!PS-Adobe-3.0 to\n\n%!PS-Adobe-2.0\n\nThis fouled the converter, the .EPS file only contained very simple \nmove and draw statements.\n\nMario\n-- \nMario Veraart                  TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory\nemail: rioj7@fel.tno.nl        The Hague       The Netherlands\n\"If all else fails, show pretty pictures and animated videos, \n and don't talk about performance\",  David Bailey\n","1082":"From: ceng@mdd.comm.mot.com (Curtis Eng)\nSubject: Selling a car through a car hunter\nOrganization: Motorola, Mobile Data Division - Seattle, WA\nDistribution: na\nLines: 16\n\nAnybody got any good\/bad experience with selling their car through one of\nthose car hunters?  I'm selling a 1991 Dodge Stealth R\/T and I was contacted\nby this company called the Markham group based out of Illinois.  \n\nThey said they have 7-10 buyers in my area interested in my car or they wouldn't\nbe talking to me.  They talked to me for a good 20 minutes asking everything\nabout my car and said they could sell it no problem.  They guaranteed that if\nthey didn't sell my car in 75 days, I would get my money back ($389) and since\nI charged it, I'm protected by federal law which states that if I'm not satisfied,\nI would get a refund (which is true).  They federal expressed all the paperwork \nto me which had a contract stating their policy about the 75 days and such.\n\nI called up the BBB in Illinois and they do not have a file on them which is\ngood news.  So they definitely are a legitimate company but so far, it's been\nover week and I have gotten nothing.  So how effective are these types of \ncompanies? Anybody care to share their experiences?\n","1083":"From: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca (Alan Walford)\nSubject: ATI Ultra Pro Confirmation\nReply-To: aew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca\nOrganization: Eos Systems Inc, Vancouver, B.C., Canada\nLines: 25\n\nI have heard many things about the ATI Ultra Pro card. Some have\nbeen positive but most are negative. Could people please confirm\nthese?  (I am interested in the EISA version in particular).\n\n1) The card does not work in a system with 32M RAM.\n\n2) The card works in a 32M system with some switches\n   set but it is much slower.\n\n3) The card is _interlaced_ in its 24bit (true-colour) modes.\n\n4) The latest build 59 drivers still do not work in many\n   cases.\n\n5) This card is the fastest full colour card for the money.\n\n6) This card is the greatest thing since sliced bread. ;-)\n\nThanks for your feedback. I will summarize.\n\nAl\n\n-- \nAlan Walford     Eos Systems Inc., Vancouver,B.C., Canada  Tel: 604-734-8655\naew@eosvcr.wimsey.bc.ca           OR        ...uunet!wimsey.bc.ca!eosvcr!aew  \n","1084":"From: dsk@ravl.rice.edu (Dan S. Kirkpatrick)\nSubject: Installation problem with X11R5\nOrganization: Rice University\nLines: 32\n\nI am in the process of installing X11R5 on my Sun Sparcstation 2 and\nhave run into a problem.  I imagine it has something to do with a missing\nscreen driver, or something along those lines, but figured someone out there\nin Internet land might be able to help.\n\nI am installing it on a machine that already has OpenLook installed, and would\nlike to have both installed concurrently.  Thus, I set it up to compile to my\n\/usr\/X11R5 directory.  I worked out all the kinks in getting it compiled (with\ngcc), so that it compiles without any warnings.  I need it installed for PEX-SI,\nso I set all those appropriate flags.  When I run it, however, I get a message\nalong the lines of:\n\nGetting interface configuration : Operation not supported on socket\n\nsunOpenFrameBuffer : Inappropriate ioctl for device\n\nFatal server error : no screens found \n\n\nAny ideas on how I can fix it?  Please respond by e-mail at the below\naddress.\n\nThanks in advance.\n\n-Dan\n-- \n\"I do not want to be immortalized through my works; I want to be \nimmortalized through not dying.\"  -Woody Allen\n\nDan Kirkpatrick                 | Dept of Electrical & Computer Engineering\n~dsk@rice.edu                   | Rice University\nuunet!rice.edu!dsk@uunet.uu.net | Houston, TX\n","1085":"From: jad@nsa.hp.com (John Dilley)\nSubject: compress | crypt foo | des -e -k foo\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 12\nOrganization: Networked Systems Architecture\n\n\n\tI have a bunch of questions about the encryption scheme\nreferenced in the Subject of this message.  What is the relative data\nprivacy provided by the above sequence as compared with straight DES?\nDoes the addition of compression then encrypting make the cyphertext\nsignificantly harder to crack using current methods than straight DES?\nWould running crypt after DES provide greater data privacy?  Is it\nimportant to remove the (constant) compress header before encryption?\nThank you, net, for your wisdom.\n\n\t\t\t --       jad       --\n\t\t    John A. Dilley <jad@nsa.hp.com>\n","1086":"From: lofaso@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Bernie Lofaso)\nSubject: Re: Fast idle on 88 Ford Ranger\nNntp-Posting-Host: zruty\nOrganization: Applied Research Labs, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 22\n\nljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel) writes:\n\n>It did it again.  This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM.\n>Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast.  It has a 2\n>liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would\n>cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck).\n>What can I do to fix this problem?  This has been a problem from time to\n>time, but has straightened itself out - until now.  I don't have a tach,\n>but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast\n>as it should be.  This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up\n>at a stop light.\n\nSometimes a bad choke pull-off diaphram will cause a car to fast idle. The\npull-off, which is vacuum actuated, provides a necessary pull in non-cold\nweather conditions to get the idle off the the fast idle cam. Locate the\nfast idle cam on your vehicle and see if you can rotate it to produce a\nnormal idle. If so, locate the diaphram and test it. If you can't apply\nsuction (via a good piece of rubber vacuum hose) with your mouth that will\ncause the diaphram to retract, then it's bad and should be replaced.\n\nBernie Lofaso\nApplied Research Labs\n","1087":"From: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES (Henrik)\nLines: 53\nNntp-Posting-Host: alban.dsv.su.se\nReply-To: hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren)\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University\n\n\n  \n|>      henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:\n\n\n|>\tThe Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS\n|>        to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their \n|>        territorium...\n\t\n\n\tHomeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today\n\tFizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan)\n\tare their homeland. Can't you see the\n\tthe  \"Great Armenia\" dream in this? With facist methods like\n\tkilling, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the \n\tblast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to\n\tescape the from Lacin, a city that was \"given\" to the Kurds\n\tby the Armenians. \n\n\n|>       However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane \n|>       to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one\n|>       that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane\n|>       (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA.\n|>\n\n\tDon't speak about things you don't know: 8 American Cargo planes\n\twere heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities\n\tannounced that they were going to search these cargo \n\tplanes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany.\n\t5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of\n\tof the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not\n\thumanitarian aid.....\n\n\tSearch Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about.\n\tTurkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons\n\tto Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan\n\tit self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons\n\tsince it's content is announced to be weapons? \n\n\n\n\n\n\nHilmi Eren\nDept. of Computer and Systems Sciences, Stockholm University\nSweden\nHilmi-er@dsv.su.se\n\n\n\n\n","1088":"From: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM (Jason Cockroft)\nSubject: If You Were Pat Burns ...\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 57\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: jake@rambler.Eng.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rambler.eng.sun.com\nKeywords: Leaf Wings\n\n\n\nWhat are the Leafs to do?  I am a Leaf supporter and\nI say the Leafs are going down in four unless there\nis nothing short of a miracle or a stroke of genenius hits\nPat Burns.\n\nIf you were Pat Burns what would you do?\n\nLiving in the Bay area, I do not get enough Leaf coverage\nto pull something out of the bag,  (I would appreciate comments\non the Leaf\/Detroit 3rd line match-ups)  but here is the basic\nidea...\n\nAndreychuck and Borchevsky have no business playing against \nthe Wings.  They are too small.  The key to any Leafs success\nwill have to be Clark.  He is the only centre who can have\nany presence within 3-stick lengths of the slot.  Where the\nhell is Anderson?  Anderson can (in days past) get under peoples\nskin.  Put a little more bluntly, Anderson has to be an asshole.\nHe used to be good at it.  We need him now.  \n\nPerhaps, perhaps the Leafs can shut down Detroit's second line.\nI was dissappointed to see Shepard and Yserbeart flying last night.\nThese guys are the \"swing\" players for the Wings.  Last year they\ndid a major choke in the playoffs and were to blame for the quick\nexit of the Wings.  **THis has to happen again**.   Clark-Anderson-Gilmour\nshould be able to out hustle this line.  Anderson should do a\nnasty on Yserbeart.  Clark should bang the hell out of Sheppard.  \nScore Gilmour score!\n\nSuggestions:  Clarke-Anderson-Gilmour vs. Sheppard-Yserbeart-??\n\t      Andreychuck-Borchevsy-??  vs. Detroit checking line\n\t      Toronto's checking line  vs. Yzerman-Fedorov-Probert (pray lots)\n\n* as suggested - i would bench Andreychuck and Borchevsky to stir things up\n\t\t and through a monkey wrench into Detroits game plan.  However,\n\t\tif the Detroit coaching would be dumb enough to play their\n\t\tchecking line against these \"finesse\" players - well then\n\t\tlet them play.\n\n** Potvin can not be faulted on 5 of the goals - keep him in.\n** Van Hellamond can not be faulted for the Leafs demise either.\n** The Wings defense shut down the Leafs (especially in the slot).\n\nI hope Pat Burns realizes that his team was out-hit, out-skated, and\nout-coached on Monday night.  This was not a loss because of poor goaltending\nor officiating.  This calls for drastic measures ... or tee off is next Monday.\n\n\n-jake.\n\n\nGO LEAFS !!!\n\n\n\n","1089":"From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey)\nSubject: Re: What to put in Centris 650 Internal Bay?\nOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nLines: 24\n\nhades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes) writes:\n\n>tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith) writes:\n\n>>jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes:\n>>>Yes, you get internal mixing of the analog CD-Audio outputs with\n>>>the Mac generated audio on the Mac motherboard.  Also you can sample\n>>>the CD-Audio using the sound control panel by clicking on the Options\n>>>button next to the microphone icon.\n\n>>How do you click on the Options button?  I've never seen it undimmed.\n\n>    The latest word on this is you have to disconnect the Microphone\n>cable on the motherboard. Then the button is supposed to un-dim.\n\n\n>-Hades\n\nSorry, I assumed that the the various new machines with the internal\nCD-ROM bay worked the same as the Quadra 900.  Obviously they don't.\nI can use any of three inputs by changing the radio button under\nthe sound cp on my Quadra 900, Microphone, External, and CD-ROM.  I\nalways leave the microphone plugged in (even though I never use\nit).\n","1090":"Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: <JER114@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: Targa format-->text file\nLines: 7\n\n  Does anyone know how to convert a targa or similar 24 bit picture into a list\n of R G B values and then convert back to targa after doing operations on the p\nixels R G B codes.\nex.  Targa ---->000100255pixel 1\n001200201pixel 2etc....\nIf no one can help me with this could someone explain how the 24 bit data is st\nored in the targa file and also how its stored in the 8 bit targas.   Thanks\n","1091":"From: jamesdon@infoserv.com (James A. Donald)\nSubject: Re: \"Winning\" Tax Case!\nOrganization: The Liberty Trust\nLines: 22\nX-Mailer: TMail version 1.13\n\n\n> Do you have a strange definition of \"winning\" that you titled this thread\n> \"Winning Tax Case!\"?  Sloan *lost*.  By a unanimous 3-0 decision that tore\n> his arguments to pieces.  He went to prison using these arguments.  See\n> United States v Sloan, 939 F2d 499 (7th Cir 1990), aff'g 704 F Supp 880.\n\nThe tax protesters are legally correct, but they are put in jail anyway.\n\nThe weakness of the governments legal position is shown by the fact that when\nsomeone protesting tax or gun laws on legal grounds gets a federal jury trial\n(very rare) the feds blatantly stack the jury, with the same old faces turning\nup time after time.\n\nHowever Teel should have mentioned that though his advice is legally sound, if\nyou follow it you will probably wind up in jail.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n                       |\nJames A. Donald        |  Joseph Stalin said: \"Ideas are more powerful\n                       |  than guns.  We would not let our enemies have\njamesdon@infoserv.com  |  guns, why should we let them have ideas.\"\n","1092":"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)\nSubject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line\nOrganization: Megatest Corporation\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:\n>\n>Greetings!\n>      \n>        Situation:  I have a phone jack mounted on a wall.  I don't\n>                    know the number of the line.  And I don't want\n>                    to call up the operator to place a trace on it.\n>\n>        Question:   Is there a certain device out there that I can\n>                    use to find out the number to the line?\n>        Thanks for any response.\n>                                                    Al\n\nThere is a number you can call which will return a synthesized\nvoice telling you the number of the line.  Unfortunately, for the\nlife of me I can't remember what it is. The telephone technicians\nuse it all the time.  We used to play around with this in our\ndorm rooms since there were multiple phone lines running between\nrooms.\n\nsorry!\n\naaron\n\n","1093":"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: Another NYTimes Yellow-Sheet Editorial (4\/4\/93)\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 23\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1pmol6INNod9@gap.caltech.edu>, arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes:\n> \n> >*  Thanks to the N.R.A., the A.T.F. is prohibited from researching the\n> >effectiveness of using taggants in explosives, Taggants are a cheap\n> >and technologically feasible microscopic additive that would help\n> >investigators at crime scenes - like the World Trade Center bombing\n> >- trace the explosives involved.\n> \n> I want this man to tell me how in the hell you can take the \n> explosives used in the WTC bombing, considering that the \n> consensus seems to be that the explosive was a fertilizer-based\n> one. \n\nProper counter to this claim:  \"Forensic analysis of the WTC bomb by\nmeans of taggants would have been as impossible as semantic analysis\nof NYT editorials by means of taggants -- the difficulty in both cases\nbeing to have persuaded the bull to consume the taggants before \nproduction of either item.\"\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n","1094":"From: jimh@carson.u.washington.edu (James Hogan)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nKeywords: slander calumny\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 60\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.222525.16024@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr16.171722.159590@zeus.calpoly.edu>,\n>jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (John Munch) wrote:\n>> \n>> In article <1993Apr15.212943.15118@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes:\n>> >P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of \"shatim\" also\n>> >applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella\n>> >of the \"fasad\" ruling.\n>> \n>> Please define the words \"shatim\" and \"fasad\" before you use them again.\n>\n>My apologies. \"Shatim\", I believe, refers to slandering or spreading\n>slander and lies about the Prophets(a.s) - any of the Prophets.\n\nBasically, any prophet I've ever dealt with has either been busy \nhawking stolen merchandise or selling swampland house lots in \nFlorida.  Then you hear all the stories of sexual abuse by prophets\nand how the families of victims were paid to keep quiet about it.\n\n>It's a kind of willful caulmny and \"cursing\" that's indicated by the\n>word. This is the best explanation I can come up with off the top\n>of my head - I'll try and look up a more technical definition when I\n>have the time.\n\nNever mind that, but let me tell you about this Chevelle I bought \nfrom this dude (you guessed it, a prophet) named Mohammed.  I've\ngot the car for like two days when the tranny kicks, then Manny, \nmy mechanic, tells me it was loaded with sawdust!  Take a guess\nwhether \"Mohammed\" was anywhere to be found.  I don't think so.\n\n>\n>\"Fasad\" is a little more difficult to describe. Again, this is not\n>a technical definition - I'll try and get that later. Literally,\n\nOh, Mohammed!\n\n>the word \"fasad\" means mischief. But it's a mischief on the order of\n>magnitude indicated by the word \"corruption\". It's when someone who\n>is doing something wrong to begin with, seeks to escalate the hurt,\n\nYeah, you, Mohammed!\n\n>disorder, concern, harm etc. (the mischief) initially caused by their \n>actions. The \"wrong\" is specifically related to attacks against\n>\"God and His Messenger\" and mischief, corruption, disorder etc.\n\nYou slimy mass of pond scum!\n\n>resulting from that. The attack need not be a physical attack and there\n>are different levels of penalty proscribed, depending on the extent\n>of the mischief and whether the person or persons sought to \n>\"make hay\" of the situation. The severest punishment is death.\n\nYeah, right!  You're the one should be watching your butt.  You and\nyour buddy Allah.  The stereo he sold me croaked after two days.\nYour ass is grass!\n\nJim\n\nYeah, that's right, Jim.\n","1095":"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style \"Internal Passport\"\nLines: 40\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.201756.29141@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr14.175931.66210@cc.usu.edu> slp9k@cc.usu.edu writes:\n>>> (BTW - Which parts should be secure?  Criminal\n>>> records, ie convictions, are typically considered public information,\n>>> so should that info be secure?  Remember, the population includes\n>>> parents checking prospective childcare worker.)\n>\n>>\tParent's checking a babysitter shouldn't need access to the information\n>>stored in the card.\n>\n>Sure they do.  The prospective sitter may have a nasty habit of molesting\n>kids three or four months into the job.  The references may not have\n>known him long enough or may not have picked up on this yet.\n>\n>Remember, criminal conviction info is public, so if you're going to\n>argue for an ID card, other people are going to have a strong argument\n>that it disclose public info.\n\n       As perhaps some insight into how this sort of thing works, the\nlocal college newspaper had a big crusade to have the U.T. police\nrelease crime stats.  (The school claimed that to do so would violate\nfederal education records privacy laws).  They swore up and down they\nweren't interested in student discipline records, only for stats so people\ncould make an evaluation of how safe the campus was.\n\n       It was barely a week after crime stats were released before the\nDaily Beacon had an editorial calling for student disciplinary stats\nto be released, because they complained certain segments of the campus\npopulation were treated administratively rather than turned over to the\npolice and therefore the criminal states weren't accurate.\n\n       What people say they want public today may not be what they\nsay tomorrow.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - \"I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft;  I'm beginning to think you don't\nlove me anymore.\" - \"Weird Al\"\n","1096":"From: harmon@math.ohio-state.edu (Jim Harmon)\nSubject: MIDI Keyboard $225\nOrganization: Department of Mathematics, The Ohio State University\nLines: 13\nDistribution: cmh\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ford.mps.ohio-state.edu\n\n\nRoland HS-60 (SynthPlus 60)\n  - 6 voice polyphonic fully programmable analog synthesizer\n  - 61 full size keys\n  - MIDI\n  - Memory to store 128 patches\n  - built in speakers\n  - Connectors: MIDI in thru out, Input(2), Expansion Pedal, Head Phones,\n    Tape Load & Save, Patch Shift, Pedal Hold, Output(2)\n\nAsking $225\n  \nharmon@mps.ohio-state.edu\n","1097":"From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)\nSubject: Plus minus stat\nOrganization: University of Western Ontario\nNntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca\nLines: 144\n\n>Post: 51213 of 51227\n>Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey\n>From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\n>Subject: Re: Plus minus stat...\n>Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University,\n>Sudbury, ON Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 21:41:29 GMT\n \n>In <4LD32B2w165w@sms.business.uwo.ca>\n>j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David) writes:\n \n>>It was Bryan Trottier, not Denis Potvin.  It was a vicious\n>>'boarding' from behind...Trottier was given a major.\n \n>Perhaps it was Trottier.  It happened behind the Habs goal if\n>I recall. Gainey simply didn't have his head up as he was\n>picking up the puck.\n \n>But Roger, what the hell does this have to do with Gainey's\n>skill as a hockey player?  If Probert smashes Gilmour's head\n>into the boards next week, will that diminish your assessment\n>of Gilmour's skills?\n \n>If Gilmour was taken completely by surprise, as Gainey was, then\n>yeah, I would have to say that Doug wasn't playing\n>\"technically\" smart  hockey.  In any case, to claim as Greg did,\n>that Gainey *never* made  a technical mistake is absolutely\n>ludicrous.\n \nLater on, in your posting, you make reference to \"putting words\ninto other people's mouths\"...I would suggest that your last\nparagraph can only be interpreted in one way...namely, that I,\nalong with Greg, claim that Gainey never made a technical\nmistake.  If you actually read what I've written, you will find\nthat I make no such claim...soooo, if logic serves me well,\nyou're contradicting yourself.\n \n>>>Gainey was a plugger.  And when the press runs out of things\n>>>to say about  the stars on dynasties they start to hype the\n>>>pluggers.  Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob\n>>>Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne\n>>>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri\n>>>Richard, Dick Duff...and so on...\n \n>>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter.\n \n>Good for you.  You'd only be displaying your ignorance of\n>course, but to each his own...\n \nRoger, I'm not sure here, but I think \"ignorance\" is really a\nfunction of \"a lack of knowledge\" and not \"formulating an\nopinion\"...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by all\nmeans go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better.\n \n>>I think Gainey would be honoured to know that you've included\n>>him\n \n>I think Gainey should feel honoured to know that he is\n>remembered at  all.\n \n \nMy word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey.  Why does\nhe bother you so much...he was an effective player for his style\nof play.\n \n>>on this list.  I also think you have a relatively naive view\n>>about what wins a hockey game...pluggers are an integral part\n>>of\n \n>Certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team.  And that\n>is simply because there are not enough solid two-way players to\n>go  around.  Who would you rather have as your \"checking\"\n>centre?  Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis?  For that matter I would\n>take either Gretzky or Mario as my \"checking\" centres.  Do you\n>think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey? \n \nI'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here. \nWhy don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ,\nhimself, in nets?\n \nNow, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with Guy\nCarbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison.\n \n>>any team.  The Selke is designed to acknowledge their\n>>contribution...I think that most people understand that it's\n>>not the Nobel Prize...so settle down.\n \n>You're wrong again.  The Selke is awarded to the forward that\n>does the best job defensively and this may or may not be the\n>best plugger.  If  Gilmour does the best defensive job in the\n>league I don't see why he  should be out of the running simply\n>because he also contributes offen-sively.\n \nI'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the\nfirst place?  I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling\nthat you've setup a \"You're wrong again\" macro key on your\nmachine.\n \nI agree that my use of the word plugger is simplistic...but I\nthink you know what I'm getting at.  I would also like to point\nout that Gilmour's potential as a Selke-winner was never part of\nthe debate...are you asking me for an opinion?  If so, I think\nthere are far too many other deserving players to include Gilmour\namong the candidates.\n \n>>Settle down?  If you think that I have likened the Selke to the\n>>Nobel prize then I suggest that you had best \"settle down\". \n>>And if you are going to try to put words in my mouth, let me\n>>suggest that you \"settle  down\" before you bother following up\n>>on my postings. \n \nI would suggest that your comment: \"And when the press runs out\nof things to say about  the stars on dynasties they start to hype\nthe pluggers.  Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob\nNystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne Cashman,\nBob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard, Dick\nDuff...and so on...\" demonstrates a blanket disregard for these\nindividuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle\ndown...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods.\n \n>>congenially, as always,\n>> \n>>jd\n>> \n>>--\n>>James David\n>>david@student.business.uwo.ca\n \n>You might consider developing your own style.  After all,\n>imitation is  the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite sure\n>that flattery is not  your intention.\n \nC'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good\nlaugh.\n \ncongenially, as always,\n \njd\n \n--\nJames David\ndavid@student.business.uwo.ca\n\nj3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)\nWestern Business School  --  London, Ontario\n","1098":"From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nNntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu\nOrganization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York\nLines: 26\n\nIn <15378@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n\n\n>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.\n>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.\n>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,\n>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that\n>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general\n>male population.  It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for\n>straight men vs. gay\/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically\n>how much more promiscuous gay\/bi men are.\n\nPossibly because gay\/bi men are less likely to get married?\n\nWhat was the purpose of this post?  If it was to show a mindless obsession\nwith statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent\nhatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache.\n\n(a) Get a clue.  (b) Get a life.  (c) Get out of my face.  I'm not in yours.\n\nDrewcifer\n-- \n----bi    Andrew D. Simchik\t\t\t\t\tSCHNOPIA!\n\\ ----    as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu\t\t\t\tTreeWater\n \\\\  \/    \n   \\\/     \"Words Weren't Made For Cowards\"--Happy Rhodes\n","1099":"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nIn article <mssC5K47z.Fur@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:\n>\n>\n>Polish and Jewish are *not* mutually exclusive.\n\n\nI didn't mean to offend or anything, I'm just quoting Stanky himself on\nthe subject. I remember one time last year he was being interviewed by\nESPN, and the interviewer (can't remember who), asked Stanky if he was\nJewish because he (the interviewer) was Jewish and wanted to see more\nJewish ballplayers. To which Stanky replied, \"I'm Polish, not Jewish.\"\n\nSo maybe that wasn't the most PC thing for Stanky to say, and maybe I was\na little naive when I posted it. I think we should just devote this\nsubject to finding actual Jewish ballplayers (I myself am Jewish and the\nonly ones I ever knew until now were Koufax, Greenberg, and Blomberg).\n\n-Alan\n","1100":"From: julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas)\nSubject: Re: Blast them next time\nNntp-Posting-Host: eddie.jpl.nasa.gov\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1r19l9$7dv@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> oldham@ces.cwru.edu (Daniel Oldham) writes:\n>What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of\n>had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the\n>compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened.\n>\n>The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored\n>transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use\n>more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to\n>do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they\n>must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.\n>\n>With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed\n>more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is\n>the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look\n>at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country\n>of ours.\n>\n>With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with\n>mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few\n>women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn\n>to death 51 days later.\n>\n\n\nWell, it's said that people get the government they deserve.\n\nDon't worry, you'll get yours.  You'll sleep much better when\neveryone with thoughts not on the government 'approved' list\nis rounded up and executed.\n\nJulie\nDISCLAIMER:  All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else\n","1101":"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)\nSubject: Re: BDI Experience\nNntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299\nOrganization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 29\n\nSebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled:\n\n:                  ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around\n: \t45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving \n:       along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing \n:       the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound \n:       lane of 9W (one lane each direction). \n\n\nAnd I haven't even got there yet.  Must have been some other Brit...\n--\n\nNick (the English Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Left is Right\n\nM'Lud.\n\n  ___\t___   ___   ___\n {\"_\"} {\"_\"} {\"_\"} {\"_\"}\t  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.\n  ' `\t` '   ' `   ` '\t\t  Currently incarcerated at BNR,\n  ___\t___   ___   ___\t\t  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.\n |\"_\"| |\"_\"| |\"_\"| |\"_\"|\t  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS \"Kay\"\n  ` '\t' `   ` '   ' `\t\t  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002\n\t    .\n   _ _\t\t_  __ .\n  \/ ~ ~~\\   |  \/ ~~  \\\n |_______|    [_______|\n\t   _:_\n\t  |___|\n\n","1102":"From: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl (Anton de Ruiter)\nSubject: ??? TOP-30 MOTIF Applications ???\nOrganization: Digital Equipment Enterprise bv, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands.\nLines: 35\n\nHello everybody,\n\nI am searching for (business) information of Motif applications, to create a\nTOP-30 of most used WordProcessors, Spreadsheets, Drawing programs, Schedulers\nand Fax programs, etc..\n\nPlease mail me all your information or references.  I will summaries the\nresults on this media.\n\n\nThank you in advance,\n\nAnton de Ruiter.\n\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n|  _                       __            |Digital Equipment Corporation      |\n| \/_| __ \/_ _  __  __\/_   \/__)   .\/_ _  _|WorkGroup Products (WGP)           |\n|\/  |\/ \/(_ (_)\/ \/ (_\/(-' \/ \\ (_\/\/(_ (-'\/ |OBjectWorks (OBW)                  |\n|                                        |Ing. Anton de Ruiter MBA           |\n|                                        |Software Product Manager           |\n|                     __                 |Post Office Box 245                |\n|       |   \/_  _ \/_ \/ _'_ _     _       |7300 AE  Apeldoorn, The Netherlands|\n|       |\/|\/(_)\/ \/\\ (__\/\/ (_)(_\/\/_)      |Oude Apeldoornseweg 41-45          |\n|                              \/         |7333 NR  Apeldoorn, The Netherlands|\n|          __                            |-----------------------------------|\n|         \/__)_ _  __\/   _  \/_  _        |Mail    : HLDE01::RUITER_A         |\n|        \/   \/ (_)(_\/(_\/(_ (_ _\\         |DTN     : 829-4359                 |\n|                                        |Location: APD\/F1-A22               |\n|                                        |-----------------------------------|\n|     __  _                              |Internet: aruit@idca.tds.philips.nl|\n|    \/  )\/_) ._  _  \/_ |   \/_  _ \/_  _   |UUCP    : ..!mcsun!philapd!aruit   |\n|   (__\/\/__)\/(-'(_ (_  |\/|\/(_)\/ \/\\ _\\    |Phone   : 31 55   434359 (Business)|\n|         _\/                             |Phone   : 31 5486 18199  (Private) |\n|                                        |Fax     : 31 55   432199           |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n","1103":"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: Looking to buy Dodge Stealth, have questions\nKeywords: questions\nArticle-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.041810.17295\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 88\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.203719@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr2.030031.15691@cactus.org>, boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:\n>|> In article <1993Apr1.104746@usho72.hou281.chevron.com> hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:\n>\n> I found a Mopar spec sheet this weekend:\n\n>\n>               model         wgt    hp\n>             Stealth         3086   164\n>             Stealth ES      3186   222\n>             Stealth RT      3373   222\n>             Stealth RT TT   3803   300\n>\n> Okay, I'll take \"their\" word for it.\n\nThese arethe numbers I have been stating in the past 5-10 messages. It\nreally angers me that you insisted you were right, and that you had\nno clue what your own car weighed. Why didn't you check when I first\ntold you that your figures were implausible?\n\n\n>\n\n>\n>> I am giving every chance to retract figures widely known. The Mustang is\n>> rated at 205.  222-205 is 17. You have a 17hp advantage over a Mustang\n>\n> Seems that the 1993 Mustang 5.0 is rated at 205 hp ONLY because Ford\n> changed its testing procedures.  Under the older procedures, it still \n> rates closer to 225 hp.  That means that the Mustang has 3 hp more.\n> \nI'd like to hear a better explanatin of how you come to that \nconclusion from the above data.\n\n>\n>> Big threat. You are KO'd by a Civic, acording to C+D \n>\n> Yeah, sure, in your wet dreams.  And that's probably where you got \nNo, sorry your wrong again. *You* quoted the del Sol as doing 0-60 in\n8.1 according to C+D. Interestingly, the Stealth ES, which is\n*faster* than your RT does the samerun in 8.5 seconds according to\nC+D. Kind of embarassing isn't it? Why didn't you check the figures\n\nbefore posting? It only makes you look stupid when you are caught out\ntwice with *your own* figures.\n\n> that 11.2 second 0-60 for the Stealth.\n>\n>\n>>> I'll check C&D's 5\/91 issue.  Strange that you claim to have that \n\nYou really should have checked.\n\n>>\n>> Go ahead and check asshole, you'll realize what an idiot you are for not\n>> checking data beforeposting. Car+ Drive, may 91. Stealth ES, 222hp,\n>> automatic.\n>\n> For 3 posts now you've been harping on this May 1991 issue of Car & Driver\n      *2*\n> without posting any numbers.  Why not?  Because they prove me right and you\n> ain't got the guts to admit it?  Yeah, thought so.\n>\nIf you insist, I gave you every chance to retract, but:\n\n  Dodge Stealth ES Auto does an 8.5\/16.4 - Wonder why you couldn't find it?\n\nDo you realize that a 9k Sentra (C+D) will run a 16.7, that a Sentra SE-R or Saturn\nwill run in the 15's? Don't you think it is kind of strange that your\n222hp sports car is so easily beaten. \n\nA Mustang 5.0, which weights about the same (according to *your* numbers),\nhas less power and is much quicker? Care to explain. Don't be abusive,\njust try and come up with a rational explanation of where those 222hp\nwent to, its a mystery to me.\n\n>> The Sentra SE-R really is alot quicker than the 222hp FWD Sports car.\n>> You are close to the 9k sentra-e. Go look up the numbers in C+D - and\n>> report please.\n>\n> No, I'm going to play your game -\n\n>\n>       No way, Sentra's are SLOW!  I took a test drive and it took\n>       21.7 to go 0-50!  Why, even the Hyundai Excel blows it doors\n\nI guess you drove a 5 speed and couldn't shift\/\nCraig\n","1104":"From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)\nSubject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!\nOrganization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1qk6v3INNrm6@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:\n>\n>Gordon Banks:\n>\n>>a lot to keep from going back to morbid obesity.  I think all\n>>of us cycle.  One's success depends on how large the fluctuations\n>>in the cycle are.  Some people can cycle only 5 pounds.  Unfortunately,\n>>I'm not one of them.\n>>\n>>\n>This certainly describes my situation perfectly. For me there is\n>a constant dynamic between my tendency to eat, which appears to\n>be totally limitless, and the purely conscious desire to not\n>put on too much weight. When I get too fat, I just diet\/exercise\n>more (with varying degrees of success) to take off the\n>extra weight. Usually I cycle within a 15 lb range, but\n>smaller and larger cycles occur as well. I'm always afraid\n>that this method will stop working someday, but usually\n>I seem to be able to hold the weight gain in check.\n>This is one reason I have a hard time accepting the notion\n>of some metabolic derangement associated with cycle dieting\n>(that results in long-term weight gain). I have been cycle-\n>dieting for at least 20 years without seeing such a change.\n\nAs mentioned in Adiposity 101, only some experience weight\nrebound.  The fact that you don't doesn't prove it doesn't\nhappen to others.\n-- \nChuck Forsberg WA7KGX          ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf \nAuthor of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ\n  Omen Technology Inc    \"The High Reliability Software\"\n17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD   Portland OR 97231   503-621-3406\n","1105":"From: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)\nSubject: Re: ABC coverage\nReply-To: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu (George Ferguson)\nOrganization: University of Rochester Hockey Science Dept.\nDistribution: usa\n\n\nIn article <cfoy0MW00Uh_41JndV@andrew.cmu.edu> Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss\n>Mike Emrick!).  My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up\n>at one point and said, \"These guys are pretty good announcers.\"  (This\n>is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:)\n\nDid your boyfriend comment on the fact that Clement looks like a\nwalking ad for Brillo pad hair replacement therapy? The guy's just a\nstuffed shirt who thinks he's the greatest hockey analyst since Howie\nMeeker (for gosh sakes). I'll take Schoenie any day.\n\nGeorge\n\n-- \nGeorge Ferguson                 ARPA: ferguson@cs.rochester.edu\nDept. of Computer Science       UUCP: rutgers!rochester!ferguson\nUniversity of Rochester         VOX:  (716) 275-2527\nRochester  NY  14627-0226       FAX:  (716) 461-2018\n","1106":"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!!\nOrganization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.\nDistribution: na\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1576@heimdall.sdrc.com> crrob@sony1.sdrc.com (Rob Davis) writes:\n> Do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self-inflicted gun-\n> shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters?\n\nNo, but I have several other breakdowns of accidental shootings.\nI've never seen one that specifically provides the info that Davis insists\nthat he has, so I'd love to have a cite.\n\n>If you fall, for example,\n> and land on the handgun or cause a sudden blow, the gun will discharge.\n\nWrong.  There's one gun design where that can happen, and it is\nsupposed to be carried with the hammer over an unloaded chamber.\n(Cocking the gun turns the cylinder so that a loaded cylinder is under\nthe hammer.  In other words, it can be usefully carried in a safe\nmanner.)  Other handgun designs don't have that property; if their\ntrigger isn't pulled, the hammer can't hit the firing pin.\n\n> The number of people killed in this manner far outweighs the number of\n> deaths caused by animal attacks or \"wacko\" attacks combined.\n\nThe breakdowns that I do have include the above category.  From them I\ncan safely say that if Davis is right in ALL of his claims, a large\nnegative number of people are killed by animals, because we know that\nthe number of killings by wackos is reasonably large and that the\nnumber of accidents due to gun failures (which is a superset of the\ndescribed circumstance) is near zero.\n\n>I can find the figures if you don't believe me.\n\nPlease do.  Include a cite for those of us who like looking at\ncontext.  Make sure that your source excludes other types of\naccidents and suicides that are misreported.  (\"Gun cleaning\naccident\" is police-speak for \"the family needs the insurance\nmoney.\")\n\n-andy\n--\n","1107":"From: bw662@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Bill Cray)\nSubject: Re: Thinking About Buying Intrepid - Good or Bad Idea?\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI bought an Intrepid about two months ago and am very happy with\nit.  Lots of room inside and even with the smaller engine it has\nenough power for me.  The only problem I found was a small\nselection on the dealer's lots. They are hot sellers around here.\n-- \n","1108":"From: csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr M J Brown)\nSubject: 600RPM Floopy drives - UPDATE!\nOrganization: Computing Services, University of Warwick, UK\nLines: 26\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: clover.csv.warwick.ac.uk\n\nMany thanks to those who replied to my appeal for info on a drive I have\nwhich is 3.5\" 600RPM!!\n\nI now have some information on how to modify this for use with a BBC B \ncomputer. Not only do you have to change the speed from 600 to 300 rpm\n(tried that) but also change 8 components in the Rec\/Play section to allow\nfor the lower data rate (250kbit, not 500kbit as it was designed for) and also\nchange the Recording Current to allow for the low data rate\/rev speed!\n\nHopefully this should sort it all out .... not bad for 9 quid (normally 32 \nquid and upwards ....)\n\nThe drive is a JVC MDP series drive ...\n\n=============================================================================  \n     _\/      _\/   _\/   _\/  _\/   _\/_\/_\/_\/   |\n    _\/_\/  _\/_\/   _\/   _\/_\/     _\/          |         Michael Brown\n   _\/  _\/  _\/   _\/   _\/       _\/_\/         |\n  _\/      _\/   _\/   _\/_\/     _\/            |    csulo@csv.warwick.ac.uk\n _\/      _\/   _\/   _\/  _\/   _\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/   |     mjb@dcs.warwick.ac.uk\n                                           |\n=============================================================================\n              Lost interest ?? It's so bad I've lost apathy!\n=============================================================================\n\n\n","1109":"From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)\nSubject: Re: r.m split (was: Re: insect impacts)\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 30\n\n\/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles \/ cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) \/  2:02 pm  Apr  2, 1993 \/\n\nAll right people, this inane bug wibbling is just getting to much.  I\npropose we split off a new group.\nrec.motorcycles.nutrition \nto deal with the what to do with squashed bugs thread.\n\n-- \n| Dean Cookson \/ dcookson@mitre.org \/ 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |\n| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  \/  KotB       |\n| \"If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '92 VFR750F           |\n| nekkid at all.\" -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |\n----------\nWhat?!?!? Haven't you heard about cross-posting??!?!? Leave it intact and\nsimply ignore the basenotes and\/or responses which have zero interest for\na being of your stature and discriminating taste. ;-)\n\nYesterday, while on Lonoak Rd, a wasp hit my faceshield with just\nenough force to glue it between my eyes, but not enough to kill it as\nthe legs were frantically wiggling away and I found that rather, shall\nwe say, distracting. I flicked it off and wiped off the residue at the\nnext gas stop in Greenfield. :-) BTW, Lonoak Rd leads from #25 into\nKing City although we took Metz from KC into Greenfield. \n  \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGraeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,\n350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n","1110":"From: mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Re: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism)\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.44.1993.28424@athos.rutgers.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:\n>\n>\tFortunately, my own personal theology, which will probably not\n>fall into line with a lot others, recognized God as a being both\n>without gender and posessing qualities of both genders, as being both\n>a masculine and feminine force.\n\nThat is not necessarily unorthodox.  When Christians call God 'Father', \nwe are using a metaphor.  The Bible in one place refers to God as being\nlike a mother.  God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal\nsense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is\nusually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less\nmisleading of the two possibilities.\n-- \n:-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    *****\n:-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  *********\n:-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  *\n:-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <><\n","1111":"From: toml@miles.ca.boeing.com (Tom Locke)\nSubject: $22600 Subaru SVX -  Good deal?\nOrganization: BoGART Graphics Development\nLines: 20\n\nHi netters,\n\nMy friend is seriously thinking of getting the Subaru SVX. There is\na local dealer here in Seattle selling them for $22600, with\nTouring package, that's $7400 off from MSRP. He thinks it's a \nvery good deal (and I think so too). Since he knows I have access to\nthe net, he would like to get anyone's opinion about this car, especially\nin the area of reliability and maintenanability.\nPlease send e-mail to me as my friend doesn't have access to the net.\n\nMy opinion about this car is, you get a lot for $22600:\nauto everything (tranny, climate control, windows, locks, folddow rear seet),\nfull wheel drive, 2+2, fast (143 top spped), heavy (3580lb);-)\n\nThanks in advacne!\n-- \nTom Locke                         Work: (206) 865-6568\nBoeing Computer Services        E-mail: toml@voodoo.boeing.com \nP.O. Box 24346  M\/S 7K-20           or: uunet!bcstec!voodoo!toml\nSeattle, WA  98124-0346\n","1112":"From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)\nSubject: Re: Living\nOrganization: Mindcraft, Inc.\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <C4rz4J.4q9@odin.corp.sgi.com> amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com\n(Allan McNaughton) writes:\n>In article <1993Mar27.040606.4847@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov\n(Phil Stone) writes:\n>|> Alan, nothing personal, but I object to the \"we all\" in that statement.\n>|> (I was on many of those rides that Alan is describing.)  Pushing the\n>|> envelope does not necessarily equal taking insane chances.\n\nMoreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed,\none might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other\nmay have a safety margin left.\n\n>Oh come on Phil.  You're an excellent rider, but you still take plenty of\n>chances.  Don't tell me that it's just your skill that keeps you from \n>getting wacked.  There's a lot of luck thrown in there too.  You're a very\n>good rider and a very lucky one too.  Hope your luck holds.... \n\nAllan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls.\nOn the ride when you fell while I was next behind you,\nyou made an error of judgement by riding too fast when\nyou knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when\nyou were surprised by an oncoming car.  That crash was\ndue to factors that were subject to your control.\n\nI won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill\ninvolved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming\nbad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted.\n--\n\n    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com\n    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu\n","1113":"From: pmolloy@microwave.msfc.nasa.gov (G. Patrick Molloy)\nSubject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining.\nNntp-Posting-Host: 128.158.30.103\nReply-To: pmolloy@microwave.msfc.nasa.gov (G. Patrick Molloy)\nOrganization: NASA\/MSFC\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu \nwrites:\n> Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral\n> exploration.\n> \n> Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth..\n> You think this is crazy. Well in a way it is, but in a way it is reality.\n> \n> There is a billin the congress to do just that.. Basically to make it so\n> expensive to mine minerals in the US, unless you can by off the inspectors or\n> tax collectors.. ascially what I understand from talking to a few miner friends \n> of mine, that they (the congress) propose to have a tax on the gross income of\n> the mine, versus the adjusted income, also the state governments have there\n> normal taxes. So by the time you get done, paying for materials, workers, and\n> other expenses you can owe more than what you made.\n> BAsically if you make a 1000.00 and spend 500. ofor expenses, you can owe\n> 600.00 in federal taxes.. Bascially it is driving the miners off the land.. And\n> the only peopel who benefit are the eco-freaks.. \n> \n> Basically to get back to my beginning statement, is space is the way to go\n> cause it might just get to expensive to mine on earth because of either the\n> eco-freaks or the protectionist.. \n> Such fun we have in these interesting times..\n> \n> ==\n> Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\n\nThe current mining regulations and fees were set in the 1800's!\nWhat the so-called \"eco-freaks\" want to do is to simply bring those\nfees in line with current economic reality.  Currently, mining companies\ncan get access to minerals on public lands for ridiculously low prices --\nsomething like $50!  The mining lobby has for decades managed to block\nany reform of these outdated fees.  In fact, the latest attempt to reform\nthem was again blocked -- President Clinton \"compromised\" by taking the\nmining fee reforms out of his '94 budget, and plans to draft separate\nlegislation to fight that battle.\nIf you want to discuss this further, I suggest you take this to talk.environment.\n\nG. Patrick Molloy\nHuntsville, Alabama\n","1114":"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: Propaganda Re: re: fillibuster\nLines: 213\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Computing Center\n\nIn article <C5otox.BJI@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:\n>\n>In article <VEAL.740.735074621@utkvm1.utk.edu>, VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:\n>\n>|>In article <C5n4wH.Izv@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:\n>|>>\n>|>       Or are they simply propogranda?  We can't know what Phill *really*\n>|>means because he's obviously using arguments designed to convince.\n>\n>I make no secret of what I am up to, I have stated explicitly in posts\n>that I am a political propagandist on numerous occasions. Anyone posting\n>to this group who is not probably has the wrong group.\n>\n>For example I have on numerous occasions stated quite clearly that I\n>beleive that certain factions of the gun lobby are the worst possible\n>advocates of their cause and I am prepared to do anything in my power\n>to provide them with a platform because they can convince people far\n>better than I could hope that many people with a fixation on lethal\n>weapons are dangerous and derranged. \n\n       If you happen to know a political position which does not\nhave people advocating it who do more harm than good, please point it\nout.\n       \n>Some people have even accused me of inventing such advocates purely \n>for the purpose of having them trash a set of political views. In \n>fact this would be a futile tactic because I could never hope to\n>invent a character as dangerous as sybok.athena.edu, a man who I\n>quite seriously believe to be mentaly ill and a potential psychopath.\n>Unfortunately the local sherifs office have informed me that they\n>are unable to act untill he attacks someone.\n\n       One of the advantages and draw-backs of requiring proof\non the part of the government before they may take action against\ncitizens.  (and part of the reason some of us believe weapons should\nbe available.)\n\n>So if you were to ask me what is the point that I am trying to make\n>from this current argument on the absolute sanctity of the US \n>constitution what would I answer?\n\n       We are not arguing the absolute sanctity of the U.S.\nConstitution.  In fact, the fillibuster we're talking about isn't\n*in* the Constitution.  I objected to your suggestion that the Senate\nwasn't intended to exercise the power it was clearly given.\n\n>Firstly I see that the current US political scene like the UK political\n>scene has become tied to special interests. Rather than chase the\n>convenient caricatures put about by the media and polititians themselves\n>for this - Gay rights cmapaigners, environmentalists, zionists (i.e.\n>Jews), \"foreign lobbyists\" - whatever voting power they have etc. I\n>sugest that you look at who is really benefiting. The inevitable conclusion\n>is that it is the major corporations owned by the ultra-wealthy that\n>have benefited. Regan and Bush created what can only be described as a\n>welfare state for the rich. \n\n       I'll point out again that Reagan only had a Republican Majority\nin the Senate during his first term, and his coalition in the House\ncame apart at about the same time.  Bush never had any real support in\nCongress.\n\n       The real point is that everybody, *everywhere* got their pork,\nfrom the big corporations to the guy I saw last night leaving a\nconvenience store with an armful of junk-food he'd bought with\nfood stamps.  (He spent more in food stamps on junk than I *make* in a week\nand I'm not on government assitance.)\n\n>Money was diverted from programs addressing\n>social needs and poured into the weapons industry in the form of cost\n>plus profits contracts. \n\n       Lessee, let's pull out the old Almanac.\n\n       In 1980, total U.S. government budget outlays were 590.9 billion\ndollars.  In 1992 (est) they were 1.4754 trillion dollars, an increase of\napprox. 884 billion dollars.\n\n       In 1980, National Defense cost 133.9 billion dollars.  In\n192 it was 307 billion dollars, and increase of 174 billion dollars.\nThat leaves an increase of 710 billion dollars unaccounted\nfor.  (This represented an increase of 230%)\n\n       In 1980, Income Security (which includes retirement programs,\nHousing Assitance, and unemployment benefits, and I believe welfare)\ncost 86.5 billion dollars.  In 1992 it was 198 billion dollars, or\nmore than national defense started.  (This represented an increase\nof 230%)\n\n       In 1980, the Federal Government spent 32 billion dollars on\nMedicare.  In 1992 they spent 118 billion dollars.  (an increase of\n368%)\n\n       In 1980, the Feds spent 9 billion dollars on housing\ncredits and subsidies of that like.  In 1992 it was 87 billion.\n\n       In 1980, Health care services and research was 23 billion\ndollars.  In 1992, it was 94 billion dollars.\n\n       Agriculture, up 9 billion to 17 billion.\n\n       Science, up 11 billion to 16 billion.\n\n       Resource conservation up 7 billion to 20 billion.\n\n       Education up 14 billion to 45 billion.\n\n       Veteran benefits up 12 billion to 33 billion.\n\n       Trasnportation up 13 billion to 34 billion.\n     \n       About the only things I see which was seriously decreased was under \nthe Energy category, primarily under \"Supply,\" and \"Community Development,\"\nin the area of \"disaster relief,\" and between the two of them\nrepresent a loss of less than 11 billion dollars.\n\n       Where *was* this huge diversion?\n\n>In order to rectify this situation there must\n>be constitutional revision.\n\n       Not that's a stretch.  If the current government was pushed by\nthe President to create this mess, wouldn't one expect it to begin to\nequalize once the pressure is gone?\n\n>Secondly the form of this revision must take account of the changed \n>circumsatnces of the role of the Federal government. \n\n       Only assuming that the new role is a positive role we want\nto continue. I see very little positive about it.\n\n>The constitution\n>cannot be used to frustrate the democratic process. \n\n       The Constitution was *designed* to frustrate the democratic\nprocess, so that the voters could be absolutely sure they were getting\nwhat they wanted by the time it happened.  Nor do I see putting the\nbrakes on the \"democratic process\" an inherently bad thing.  Califronia's\nriding the edge and every time they pull their ballot initiative nonsense\nit gets worse.\n\n>If the peoplr want\n>to have welfare spending by the federal government they will have\n>it.\n\n       Sometimes, or perhaps most of the time, the people should be\ntold, \"no,\" and pointed to their local government.       \n\n>Attempting to prevent this through constitutional trickery only\n>leads to the constitution being brought into disrepute. \n\n       Phill, would you do me the very great favor of repeating that\nin talk.politics.guns?\n\n>Methods will\n>always be found to bypass such provisions and once the government gets\n>used to bypassing those provisions they will bypass the others up to \n>the first ammendment. \n\n       Cute.  We can eliminate violations of the law by eliminating\nthe law.\n\n>This is a major reason why the right to own \n>guns should be excluded, the implication that this right is equal to\n>the right to free speech is dangerous. \n\n       Free speech alone is dangerous, Phill.\n\n>People know that mass ownership\n>of lethal weapons causes thousands of murders a year, the dangerous\n>conclusion they may reach is that the first ammendment may also be\n>the same dangerous mistake. \n\n       OK, Phill.  All you gotta show me is a clear pattern of\n*reduction* in homicide rates across several countries and that'll\nbe it.  (Not current, mind, you, reduction.)\n\n>Note however that this is not the slippery\n>slope argument. It is because the right freedom of speech has been\n>chained to the privilege to own weaponry that the danger arises. The\n>advocates of this pivilege must not be allowed to chain freedom of\n>speech to their cause such that if they fall freedom of speech falls\n>as well. Such actions are not the actions of people genuinely interested\n>in freedom.\n\n\n        Who's chaining anything to freedom of speech?  By *calling*\nit a freedom?  \n\n>Thirdly and most importantly I want to discover a mechanism wherby I can\n>engender intellectual debate as opposed to totemic debate. I consider\n>the grave threat to civilisation to be the loss of the ability to\n>reason about the political debate at anything other than the superficial\n>level. The objection I raise to your basing your case entirely on the\n>assertion of the supremacy of the US constitution is that the currency\n>of your argument is limited to the currency of the totem upon which it\n>is based. The danger of totems is that they can be reinterpreted in\n>different ways by different people. \n\n       Phill, you're a master of subtly changing the subject.  I haven't\n*based* my argument against raw democracy on the Constitution.  I've\ntried to explain why it isn't a good idea.  The only time I've referred\nto the Constitution is to point out it doesn't contain the restrictions\non the veto and the Senate you appear to believe were \"meant,\" but\njust didn't make it in there.\n     \n       The Constitution doesn't *contain* the 41% fillibuster rule.\nI only believe that the rule is a good idea.  You cn't dismiss that\nas venerating the Constitution because it isn't *in* the Constitution.\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - \"I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft;  I'm beginning to think you don't\nlove me anymore.\" - \"Weird Al\"\n","1115":"From: MWEINTR@auvm.american.edu\nSubject: Re: Trade rumor: Montreal\/Ottawa\/Phillie\nArticle-I.D.: auvm.93095.210625MWEINTR\nOrganization: The American University - University Computing Center\nLines: 38\n\nAlso sprach slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca ...\n\n>TSN Sportsdesk just reported that the OTTAWA SUN has reported that\n>Montreal will send 4 players + $15 million including Vin Damphousse\n>and Brian Bellows to Phillidelphia, Phillie will send Eric Lindros\n>to Ottawa, and Ottawa will give it's first round pick to Montreal.\n>\n>If this is true, it will most likely depend on whether or not Ottawa\n>gets to choose 1st overall.  Can Ottawa afford Lindros' salary?\n>\n>Personally, I can't see Philli giving up Lindros -- for anything.\n>They didn't give away that much to Quebec just to trade him away\n>again.  Not to mention that Lindros seems to be a *huge* draw in\n>Phillie -- and that he represents a successful future for the\n>franchise.\n>\n>Ottawa may be better off taking the 4 players +$15 from Montreal\n>for the pick.\n>\n>Stephen Legge\n>SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca\n\nTwo things:\n\n1. Didn't the trade deadline pass two weeks ago?\n\n2. The FLYERS would never ever EVER give up Lindros, simple as that.\n\nGo Flyers, Cup in '94...\n\nMike\n---\n***Yes-Rush-Marillion-ELP-Genesis-King Crimson-Dream Theater-Beatles***\n* Mike Weintraub, aka Jvi on IRC              \"Courageous convictions *\n* mweintr@american.edu                         will drag the dream    *\n* jedi@wave.cerf.net                           into existence\"        *\n* The American University, Washington DC        - Rush (NOT Limbaugh) *\n***Go Philadelphia Flyers, Vancouver Canucks & Philadelphia Phillies***\n","1116":"Subject: AutoCAD -> TIFF Can it be done????\nFrom: cvadrmaz@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu\nOrganization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona\nNntp-Posting-Host: acvax2\nNntp-Posting-User: cvadrmaz\nLines: 9\n\nHello, I realize that this might be a FAQ but I have to ask since I don't get a\nchange to read this newsgroup very often.  Anyways for my senior project I need\nto convert an AutoCad file to a TIFF file.  Please I don't need anyone telling\nme that the AutoCAD file is a vector file and the TIFF is a bit map since I\nhave heard that about 100 times already I would just like to know if anyone\nknows how to do this or at least point me to the right direction.\n\nAny help greatly appreciated,\nMatt Georgy\n","1117":"From: mdgoodma@apgea.army.mil (Malcolm D. Goodman <mdgoodma>)\nSubject: Sale -- Fiber Optic Modems, RF Modem, etc -- Best Offer\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: APG-Edgewood, MD, USA\nLines: 26\n\n\nPLease take these and use them.  Take advantage of me... I really\ndon't know what they are worth.\n\nQty 2  -  Canoga Perkins Fiber Optic Modems, Model 2250, RS-422\n          Interface, appear new.  I have powered up but that's all,\n          I have not used them and I cannot tell you whether they\n          work or not.    \n                                 Make Offer.........\n\nQty 1 -   ISC Datacom RF Modem, Model 1056-TX1-RX5-SM-120, Interface\n          RS-449, Internal Fan, powers up fine but otherwise condition\n          unknown, Phone # for the company is 408-747-0300.\n\n                                 Make Offer ............\n\nQty 1 -   Motorola UDS  212 A\/D  Modem, RS-232 interface appears to work\n          but I have not and cannot check it.  \n\n                                 Make Offer  .............\n\nThanks and please buy this stuff or it goes out the door\n\nMack\nmdgoodma@cbda8.apgea.army.mil\n.\n","1118":"From: graham@sparc1.ottawa.jade.COM (Jay Graham)\nSubject: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm)\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 38\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\nI am developing an X (Xt,Xm) application that will include a graphics window\nof some sort with moving symbols among other things.  A pure X application\ncould be implemented with Motif widgets, one of which would be an \nXmDrawingArea for drawing with Xlib.  But I would like to take advantage of\nthe Graphics Library (GL) available on our IBM RS\/6000 (SGI's GL i believe).\n\nIs it possible to mix X and GL in one application program?\nCan I use GL subroutines in an XmDrawingArea or in an X window opened by me\nwith XOpenWindow?\n\nI have never used GL before, but the doc on GL winopen() says that the first\ntime winopen() is called it opens a connection to the server.   Also, most of\nthe GL calls do not require a Display or GC, unlike most X calls.  From this\ninitial information it appears that X and GL cannot be mixed easily.   Is this\ntrue?\n\nDoes PEX (graPHIGS?) have the same functionality of GL?\n\n\nEnvironment:\n     AIXwindows X11R4\n     Motif 1.1\n     GL is available\n     AIX Sys V 3.2\n     IBM RS\/6000 360\n\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nJay Graham\nJade Simulations International Corp.\n14 Colonnade Road, Suite 150\nNepean, Ontario, Canada\n613-225-5900 x226\n\ngraham@ottawa.jade.com\n\n","1119":"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy)\nSubject: Re: Help wanted\nOrganization: Macquarie University\nLines: 54\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.071549.24839@csc.canberra.edu.au>, u934132@student.canberra.edu.au (Ogawa \/ Taro Stephen (ISE)) writes:\n|> Could someone please tell me if a 1\/4 decoder is the same as a 1 to 4\n|> demultiplexer. I know how to link 2 of these to get an 8 output circuit,\n|> but how do I link 5 of these to make a 1\/16 multiplexer. Sorry if this\n|> seems like a lame question, but I'm only a newbie to electronics, and I\n|> have to do this circuit. Please make any mail as droolproof as possible.\n|> \n|> \t\t\t\t Thanx,\n|> \t\t\t\t\tTaro Ogawa\n|> \t\t\t\t\t(u934132@student.canberra.edu.au)\n\nA 1 of 4 decoder need not be the same as a 1 to 4 demultiplexer, although\nmany commercial SSI implementations allow you to use one as such. Strictly,\na 1 of 4 decoder need only take two lines in and make one output change\nstate, according to the inputs.\n\nA demux, on the other hand, uses two control inputs to determine which\nof four outputs will reflect the state of the input signal. So there are\nthree inputs required.\n\nA decoder can be used as a demux if it is equipped with an output enable\ninput, since this can be used as the data input (e.g. when high, all\noutputs are high; when low, only the selected (by control inputs) output\nwill be low).\n\nAn eight way decoder is created by using the high order bit (bit 2) to\nselect which of two four way demuxes is enabled. Thus you achieve your\naim of having only one output of eight reflecting the input bits. Note\nthat this method cannot be used to create a true eight way demux, since\nyou have no data input (the enable line on a four way decoder) left\nonce you commit the enable lines to their intended purpose.\n\nA sixteen way decoder obviously requires four, four-way decoders, plus\na mechanism to enable only one of the four at a time. Therefore, use\nthe fifth decoder, attached to the two high order bits, to provide the\nfour enable lines.\n\nOf course, the two low order bits must be connected in parallel to the\nfour final stage decoders.\n\nPlease give me the credit when you submit your homework.\n\nJohnH\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n      |  _  |_   _   |_|  _   _|  _|              Electronics Department\n    |_| (_) | | | |  | | (_| (_| (_| \\\/           School of MPCE\n    ---------------------------------\/-           Macquarie University\n                                                  Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109\n\n    Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1120":"From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)\nSubject: Re: Part 1 and part 2  (re: Homosexuality)\nOrganization: Colorado Springs IT Center\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com\n\nhudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:\n> In article <m0njXCg-0000VEC@juts.ccc.amdahl.com> rich.bellacera@amail.amdahl.com writes:\n> \n> >Why don't we just stick to the positive and find ways to bring people\n> >to Jesus istead of taking bullwhips and driving them away?\n> \n> Certainly we should not use a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus.\n> But we shouldn't water down the gospel to draw people in. \n\nVery well put.  And, in the case of someone who calls himself a Christian\nbrother yet continues in his sin (and claims that his sin is not a sin at \nall, but perfectly acceptable), what should be done?  Should Christians \njust ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person?  By \nreaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the Bible, are \nthey using \"a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus\"? \n\nFrankly, I find the occurance of a homosexual Christian attempting to \npass himself off as a 'straight' Christian in order to have other \nChristians accept his chastisement better a *lot* more serious than \npeople reaffirming that the Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin.  \n\nWalter\n\n","1121":"From: kjetilk@stud.cs.uit.no (Kjetil Kolin)\nSubject: Protected Mode ?\nOrganization: University of Tromsoe\nLines: 6\n\nIs there anybody who has (or can point me in the right direction) any\ninformation about protected mode? Also interested in protected mode viewed from\na OS point of view.\n\n\tThanks in advance\n\t\tKjetil Kolin\n","1122":"From: Donald Mackie <Donald_Mackie@med.umich.edu>\nSubject: Re: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5\nOrganization: UM Anesthesiology\nLines: 33\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 141.214.86.38\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d9\nX-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 15:37:39 GMT\n\nSubject: options before back surgery for protruding disc at L4-L5\nFrom: Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com\nDate: 13 Apr 93 18:30:42 GMT\nIn article <2241@coyote.UUCP> Alex Miller, amiller@almaden.ibm.com\nwrites:\n>After two weeks of limping around with an acute pain in my low back\n>and right leg, my osteopath sent me to get an MRI which revealed\n>a protruding (and extruded) disc at L4-L5.  I went to a neurosurgeon\n>who prescribed prednisole (a steroidal anti-inflamitory) and bed\nrest\n>for several days.  It's been nearly a week and overall I feel \n>slightly worse - I take darvocet three times a day so I can\n>deal with daily activities like preparing food and help me\n>get to sleep.  \n> \n>I'll see the neurosurgeon tomorrow and of course I'll be asking\n>whether or not this rest is helpful or if surgery is the next \n>step.  What are my non-surgical options if my goal is to resume\n>full activity, including competitive cycling.  I should add this\n>condition is, in my opinion, the result of commulative wear and\n>tear - I've had chronic low-back pain for years - but I managed\n\nYou don't say whether or not you have any symptoms other than pain.\nIf you have numbness, weakness or bladder problems, for example,\nthese would suggest a need for surgery. If pain is your only symptom\nyou might do well to find a reputable, multi-disciplinary pain\nclinic in your area. Chronic low back pain generally doesn't do well\nwith surgery, acute on chronic pain (as only symptom) doesn't fare\nmuch better.\ne correlation between MRI findings and symptoms is controversial.\n\nDon Mackie -  his opinions\nUM will disavow...\n","1123":"From: wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nOrganization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1qh61m$b6l@armory.centerline.com> jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost) writes:\n>It's a bit hard to \"prove\" a point like this, but I can compare the\n\n\tI was hoping for something like \"The chassis exhibits X \ndegrees of flex when subjected to forces of more than Y units.\nForces of more than Y units begin to manifest at Z miles per hour.\"\n\n\tNot \"Well, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast because, uhh,\nwell, gee, it wasn't designed to go fast.  It's not a Porsche, you\nknow\".\n\n>come with better seatbelts, more supportive seats, a stronger\n>passenger compartment cage, better brakes, a stiffer suspension,\n>different tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero\n>effects to keep the car on the ground. What *do* they come with?  \n\n\tWell, as compared to the normal Taurus, the SHO comes\nwith more supportive seats,better brakes,a stiffer suspension,\ndifferent tires, and a body design that takes advantage of aero\neffects to keep the car on the ground (or at least I think that's\nwhat all that boy-racer plastic is for).  You're kidding yourself if\nyou think any car on the road has a passenger compartment made to\nwithstand 130 MPH impacts.  \n\n>Compare either to the Porsche 911 and you tell me which was designed\n\n\tOh, right.  Only 120,000 dollar cars should be driven fast.\nThey drive goddamn Rabbits at 120 MPH in Europe, pal, and I reckon\na Taurus is at least as capable as a Rabbit.\n\n>certainly haven't convinced me.\n\n\tOf course not.  \"Speeding-is-bad.  Speeding-is-illegal. \nI-will-not-speed.  I-love-Big-Brother.\"  You had your mind made up\nalready.\n\n\tIt's interesting that lots of the roads out west had *NO*\nspeed limits until 1975.  \n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\twr\n\n\n\n","1124":"From: dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com (Dennis Newkirk)\nSubject: Re: Proton\/Centaur?\nOrganization: Motorola\nNntp-Posting-Host: 145.1.146.43\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1r54to$oh@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n>The question i have about the proton, is  could it be  handled at\n>one of KSC's spare pads, without major  malfunction,  or could it be\n>handled at kourou  or Vandenberg?   \n\nSeems like a lot of trouble to go to. Its probably better to   \ninvest in newer launch systems. I don't think a big cost advantage\nfor using Russian systems will last for very long (maybe a few years). \nLockheed would be the place to ask, since you would probably have to buy \nthe Proton from them (they market the Proton world wide except Russia). \nThey should know a lot about the possibilities, I haven't heard them\npropose US launches, so I assume they looked into it and found it \nunprofitable. \n\n>Now if it uses storables,  \n\nYes...\n\n>then  how long would it take for the russians\n>to equip something at cape york?\n\nComparable to the Zenit I suppose, but since it looks like\nnothing will be built there, you might just as well pick any\nspot.\n\nThe message is: to launch now while its cheap and while Russia and\nKazakstan are still cooperating. Later, the story may be different.\n\nDennis Newkirk (dennisn@ecs.comm.mot.com)\nMotorola, Land Mobile Products Sector\nSchaumburg, IL\n","1125":"From: battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle)\nSubject: ChemLab EyeoftheBeholder2 ClueBook EthernetTransceiver NintendoControl\nSummary: Miscellaneous Items For Sale\nKeywords: Chemistry IBM PC Games Clue Book Ethernet Transceiver Nintendo\nReply-To: battle@cs.utk.edu\nDistribution: us\nOrganization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville - CS Department\nLines: 50\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hydra1b.cs.utk.edu\n\nI have the following items for sale.  The highest bid for each to arrive\nin my email box by 5:00 pm EDT Wednesday April 21, 1993 gets the item.\n\n1] Skillcraft Senior Chemlab Set 4581\n        Safe for Ages 10 and Up\n        Used little\n        25 bottles of different Chemicals, Plastic Balance, Alcohol Lamp,\n        Test Tube, Litmus Paper\n        Manual with \"Over 1100 Experiments\"\n        $4 shipping will be added to your bid\n\n2] Eye of the Beholder II\n        Fun game for the IBM PC\n        In original box, with original media and Manual\n        $3 shipping will be added to your bid\n\n3] Clue Book for Eye of the Beholder II\n\tSolve your dilemmas in a hurry and find all the loot\n\t$1 shipping will be added to your bid\n\tFree shipping on this item if you bid highest on this and item 2].\n\n4] Ethernet Transceiver (ST-500 With LanView (AUI to 50 Ohm coaxial))\n        Works fine\n        Has nifty blinking leds for send\/receive\/collision\/power, etc.\n        Built-in T\n        Includes one 50 Ohm terminator\n        $2 shipping will be added to your bid\n\n5] Super Nintendo Super Controller\n        Auto Repeated Fire\n        Hands-Free Continuous Fire\n        Slow Motion (accomplished by automatically pausing\/unpausing)\n\tAdd to a one-controller console to allow two players\n        $2 shipping will be added to your bid\n\n\nBe sure to include a  *SHIPPING ADDRESS* with *ALL* bids.\nBe sure to include an *EMAIL ADDRESS*    with *ALL* bids.\n\nSend bids to battle@cs.utk.edu (David Battle).\n\nYou will be informed by email if your bid is the highest by 5:30 pm EDT\nWednesday April 21, 1993.\n\nItems will be shipped US Postal Service First Class COD on Thursday morning.\nA money order for your bid plus the indicated shipping amount will be needed\nto receive the item.  Please keep this fact in mind when bidding.\n\n-David\nbattle@cs.utk.edu\n","1126":"From: neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nKeywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER\nOrganization: Boeing Computer Services\nLines: 51\n\nlarose@austin.cs.utk.edu (Brian LaRose) writes:\n\n>This just a warning to EVERYBODY on the net.  Watch out for\n>folks standing NEXT to the road or on overpasses.   They can\n>cause SERIOUS HARM to you and your car.  \n\n>(just a cliff-notes version of my story follows)\n\n>10pm last night, I was travelling on the interstate here in\n>knoxville,  I was taking an offramp exit to another interstate\n>and my wife suddenly screamed and something LARGE hit the side\n>of my truck.  We slowed down, but after looking back to see the\n>vandals standing there, we drove on to the police station.\n\n>She did get a good look at the guy and saw him \"cock his arm\" with\n>something the size of a cinderblock, BUT I never saw him. We are \n>VERY lucky the truck sits up high on the road; if it would have hit\n>her window, it would have killed her. \n\n>The police are looking for the guy, but in all likelyhood he is gone. \n\n>I am a very good driver (knock on wood), but it was night-time and\n>I never saw the guy.  The police said they thought the motive was to\n>hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,\n>and take the truck.  \n\n>PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS.  AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!\n\n>peace.\n\n\n>-- \n>--------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n>brian larose  larose@cs.utk.edu   #12, 3103 Essary Rd. Knoxville, TN 37918.\n\n>{}\n\nAs long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others\nwere riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5\nnorth of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our\nwindshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the\noverpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and\nleft.\nA couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was\nin his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was\na reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old\nthat did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?\nI don't think I'll over forget this story.\nNeil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA.\n.\n\n","1127":"From: mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server)\nSubject: Re: phone number of wycliffe translators UK\nLines: 37\n\n>  I'm concerned about a recent posting about WBT\/SIL.  I thought they'd\n>pretty much been denounced as a right-wing organization involved in\n>ideological manipulation and cultural interference, including Vietnam\n>and South America. A commission from Mexican Academia denounced them in\n>1979 as \" a covert political and ideological institution used by the\n>U.S. govt as an instrument of control, regulation, penetration, espionage and\n>repression.\"\n>  My concern is that this group may be seen as acceptable and even\n>praiseworthy by readers of soc.religion.christian. It's important that\n>Christians don't immediately accept every \"Christian\" organization as\n>automatically above reproach.\n> \n>                                                                  mp\n\nGood heavens, you mean my good friend Wes Collins, who took his wife and two \nsmall children into the jungles of Guatemala, despite dangers from primitive \nconditions and armed guerillas, so that the indigenous people groups their \ncould have the Bible in their native languages--the young man who led Bible \nstudies in our church, who daily demonstrated and declared his deep abiding \nfaith in the Lord of Love--you mean he really was a sneaky imperialistic *SPY* \nwhose _real_ reason for going was to exploit and oppress the ignorant and \nunsuspecting masses?  Imagine my surprise!  I never would have thought it of \nhim.\n\nHow was this terrible deceit discovered?  What exactly was the \"cultural \ninterference\" they were caught committing?  Attempting to persuade the locals \nthat their ancestral gods were false gods, and their sacrifices (including \nhuman sacrifices in some cases) were vain?  Destroying traditional lifestyles \nby introducing steel tools, medical vaccines, and durable clothes?  Oh and by \nthe way, who did the denouncing?\n\nI am terribly shocked to hear that my friend Wes, who seemed so nice, was \nreally such a deceitful tool of the devil.  Please provide me with specific \ndocumentation on this charge.  There is some risk that I may not believe it \notherwise.\n\n- Mark\n","1128":"From: mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu (Mike Levis)\nSubject: 3rd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.os.os2.{programmer.porting,setup,multimedia,bugs}\nOrganization: University of Texas at San Antonio\nLines: 476\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net\n\n* Attention voters:\n*\n* I had a problem with my mailbox on the first day of voting.\n* Please check the Vote Acknowlegement (ACK) at the end of this CFV.\n* If your name\/address is not there, please send your vote again.\n* (Actually, check even if you voted after the first day)\n\n\nIntroduction:\n\n\tThis is the third (and final) Call For Votes (CFV) for the creation\n\tof four OS\/2 newsgroups and the renaming of one:\n\t(a)  create comp.os.os2.programmer.porting     (unmoderated)\n\t(b)  renaming of comp.os.os2.programmer to\n\t     comp.os.os2.programmer.misc               (unmoderated)\n\t(c)  comp.os.os2.setup                         (unmoderated)\n\t(d)  comp.os.os2.multimedia                    (unmoderated)\n\t(e)  comp.os.os2.bugs                          (unmoderated)\n\n\tThis is the second attempt at creating comp.os.os2.programmer.porting\n\tand comp.os.os2.setup, and renaming comp.os.os2.programmer to\n\tcomp.os.os2.programmer.misc.  The first attempt failed in the summer\n\tof 1992 (the voting deadline was August 31, 1992).  The voting rules\n\tstate that another attempt for creating newsgroups can be started\n\tafter a six month waiting period (in this case, it is March 1, 1993).\n\tThis is the first attempt at creating comp.os.os2.multimedia and\n\tcomp.os.os2.bugs.\n\n\tThis document contains:\n\t*  the background showing the need for these proposals\n\t*  the proposed charters for these proposals\n\t*  voting instructions\n\t*  a voting ballot\n\t*  some example ballots\n\t*  the voting rules\n\t*  the voting schedule\n\t*  the Mass Acknowledgement\n\n\nBackground:\n\n\tThe creation of two, free, 32-bit compilers for OS\/2 2.x (gcc\/2\n\tand emx\/gcc; read comp.os.os2.programmer for details) has spurred\n\ta continuing deluge of software ported from UNIX platforms, such\n\tas emacs, less, awk, grep, sed, xscheme, ispell, flex, yacc, and\n\tmuch more.  Borland has released its C\/C++ compiler for OS\/2 2.x,\n\tallowing for easier porting of DOS and Windows software.\n\n\tMuch of the PC hardware and drivers were written for DOS, and\n\tlater, Windows.  As more people are discovering OS\/2 2.x, the\n\tnumber of people asking questions about OS\/2's compatibility\n\twith their hardware increases, as does the questions on the\n\tavailability of drivers for their hardware, installation\n\tprocedures, etc.\n\n\tMultimedia is becoming popular.  OS\/2 2.0 supports Windows\n\tMultimedia Extensions using Win-OS\/2 3.0.  Furthermore, IBM is\n\tincluding direct multimedia support in OS\/2 starting with version\n\t2.1 (in addition to using Win-OS\/2 3.1).\n\n\tAny non-trivial software will have bugs -- OS\/2 is not exempt,\n\tespecially since IBM is constantly adding new features to OS\/2.\n\tSo far, IBM has issued system patches and corrective service disks\n\t(e.g.  the Service Pak) for free (free from BBSs and ftp sites, or\n\tfor free plus a small media charge for diskettes -- read\n\tcomp.os.os2.misc for details).\n\n\nProposed Charters:\n\n\t(a)  create comp.os.os2.programmer.porting (unmoderated)\n\n\t\tIt will provide a forum for developers of ported software so\n\t\tas to coordinate efforts, avoid duplication of effort, and\n\t\tspur additional development.  The group will also cover\n\t\ttopics such as porting from other platforms (such as DOS,\n\t\tWindows, UNIX, etc), toolkits which aid in program\n\t\tportability (including porting tools such as Mirrors), and\n\t\tso forth.\n\n\t(b)  rename: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc (unmoderated)\n\n\t\tTo keep the structure of the OS\/2 newsgroup heirarchy\n\t\torthogonal, comp.os.os2.programmer should be renamed to\n\t\tcomp.os.os2.programmer.misc.\n\n\t\tcomp.os.os2.programmer.misc will still be the newsgroup\n\t\tfor OS\/2 programmers to discuss programming issues and\n\t\ttechnical aspects of OS\/2 in an unmoderated setting.\n\n\t(c)  create comp.os.os2.setup (unmoderated)\n\n\t\tIt will be devoted to OS\/2 system setup topics, including the\n\t\tavailability of device drivers, compatibility information,\n\t\tinstallation procedures, system requirements, and overall\n\t\tperformance optimization.\n\n\t(d)  create comp.os.os2.multimedia (unmoderated)\n\n\t\tIt will provide a forum for discussion of multi-media issues.\n\n\t(e)  create comp.os.os2.bugs (unmoderated)\n\n\t\tIt will provide a forum for OS\/2 system bug reports, bug\n\t\tdiagnosis and work arounds, the availability of system\n\t\tpatches and corrective service disks, and so forth.\n\n\t\t[Note that discussion of bugs in applications belong in other\n\t\tnewsgroups, and discussion of bugs in OS\/2 betas belong in\n\t\tcomp.os.os2.beta]\n\n\nHow to Vote:\n\n\tTo cast your vote, fill out the ballot below and e-mail it to me.\n\tMany newsreaders will allow e-mail to be sent by replying to this\n\tpost.  Be sure to send only the ballot, and edit out the rest of\n\tthis post.\n\n\t1)  Type in your vote for each proposal:\n\n\t    If you favor the charter as proposed, put a \"yes\" after its name.\n\t    If you oppose the charter as proposed, put a \"no\" after its name.\n\t    To abstain, leave a blank after its name.\n\n\t2)  Type in your last name (i.e. your family name), a comma, and\n\t    your first name (i.e. your personal name).\n\n\t3)  Cut out the ballot,  Please do not delete any lines of the\n\t    ballot.\n\n\t4)  E-mail your ballot to mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu before 11:59:59 pm\n\t    (Central Time), April 24, 1993.\n\n\nBallot:\n\n----------------cut here----------------cut here----------------cut here----\n\n        (a) comp.os.os2.programmer.porting:\n        (b)    comp.os.os2.programmer.misc:\n        (c)              comp.os.os2.setup:\n        (d)         comp.os.os2.multimedia:\n        (e)               comp.os.os2.bugs:\n\n        (f)       voter's last, first name:\n\n        e-mail ballot to mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu by April 24\n\n----cut here----------------cut here----------------cut here----------------\n\n\nExample Ballot #1:\n\n\t(a) comp.os.os2.programmer.porting: yes\n\t(b)    comp.os.os2.programmer.misc: yes\n\t(c)              comp.os.os2.setup: no\n\t(d)         comp.os.os2.multimedia:\n\t(e)               comp.os.os2.bugs: no\n\n\t(f)       voter's last, first name: Smith, John\n\n\tIn this example, John Smith favors comp.os.os2.programmer.porting\n\tto be created, and comp.os.os2.programmer to be renamed to\n\tcomp.os.os2.programmer.misc.  He also opposes the creation of\n\tcomp.os.os2.setup and comp.os.os2.bugs.  He does not have a view\n\ton the creation of comp.os.os2.multimedia. \n\n\nExample Ballot #2:\n\n\t(a) comp.os.os2.programmer.porting: yes\n\t(b)    comp.os.os2.programmer.misc: yes\n\t(c)              comp.os.os2.setup: yes\n\t(d)         comp.os.os2.multimedia: yes\n\t(e)               comp.os.os2.bugs: yes\n\n\t(f)       voter's last, first name: Doe, Jane\n\n\tIn this example, Jane Doe favors the creation or rename of all\n\tthe proposals.\n\n\nVoting Rules:\n\n\t* One vote per person.  If you vote more than once, only the most\n\t  recent vote will be counted.\n\n\t* Votes must be mailed to me by the person voting.  Proxy voting,\n\t  forwarding, posting votes to a newsgroup, etc. will not be counted.\n\n\t* Do not ask how the votes are going.  The status of the votings\n\t  will be revealed only after the poll closes.\n\n\t* I will acknowledge votes by Mass Acknowledgement (ACK).  I will\n\t  post the ACK twice (see Schedule below).\n\n\t* If you need help for using your editor, using e-mail, how\n\t  voting works in general, etc. then ask an expert at your site.\n\t  Also see the ``How To Create a New Newsgroup'' article which is\n\t  posted to news.answers on a regular basis.\n\n\t* If you need any clarifications on voting procedures for this\n\t  CFV, send me e-mail at mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu.\n\n\t* When the voting period is over (see Schedule below), a proposal\n\t  passes if both of the following formulas are true:\n\t  1)  the number of YES votes exceeds the number of NO votes\n\t      by at least 100 (i.e. YES >= NO + 100, or YES - NO >= 100).\n\t  2)  the number of YES votes exceeds at least twice the\n\t      number of NO votes (i.e. YES >= 2 * NO, or YES - NO >= NO).\n\t  In other words, a proposal passes if:\n\t      YES - NO >= max (100, NO)\n\t  where max() returns the highest number given to it.\n\n\nSchedule:\n\n\tThe voting period started on March 29 when the first CFV was posted\n\tby David Lawrence (the news.announce.newgroups moderator).\n\n\tThis third CFV is a repeat of the first CFV, but it also has the\n\tMass Acknowledgement (ACK) of names and e-mail addresses of those who\n\thave already voted -- re-send your vote if it is not there.  If you\n\thave not voted yet, vote now!\n\n\tThe voting period will end at 11:59:59 pm (Central Time), on\n\tApril 24, 1993.  Votes received after that time will not count.\n\tThe voting results and tally will be posted shortly after that\n\tdate.\n\n\nMass Acknowledgement:\n\n\tHere is the list of people who have already sent in their ballots\n\tas of 12:01 am (Central Time) on April 15, 1993:\n\n                          bdubbs@cs.tamu.edu\nAiyagari, Sanjay          ska1@crux3.cit.cornell.edu\nAlcorn, Justin            alcorn@alpha.ces.cwru.edu\nArien, Peter              LAAAA43%BLEKUL11.BITNET@FRMOP11.CNUSC.FR\nAsselin, Andre            assela@rpi.edu\nAurand, Tom               tom@longs.lance.colostate.edu\nBaechler, Cedric          cbaechle@iiic.ethz.ch\nBartlett, Warren          bart@pdn.paradyne.com\nBates, John               johnb@up.edu\nBeadles, J.               jeff@neon.rain.com\nBeal, Kenneth             kbeal@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com\nBedersdorfer, Jochen      beders@dfki.uni-sb.de\nBell, Douglas             dab6@SCL.CWRU.Edu\nBenningfield, Robert      concert.net!aurs01!aurw7a!benningf\nBiegel, Bryan             biegel@tigris.stanford.edu\nBlackman, Ed              EBB7683@VENUS.TAMU.EDU\nBodnar, John              jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\nBoisvert, Wesley          wesb@dermit.isis.org\nboneham, kevin            boneham@suntan.eng.usf.edu\nBoresch, Stefan           boresch@tammy.harvard.edu\nBoschma, Wilfried         v911071@si.hhs.nl\nBotha, David              BOTH-DD@mella.ee.up.ac.za\nBowe, Nathaniel           woody@vnet.IBM.COM\nBowers, Neil              neilb@borris.eece.unm.edu\nBraun,David               roland@roll.choate.edu\nBronner, Geoffrey         geoffb@coos.dartmouth.edu\nBrors, Dieter             db@ix.de\nBrown, Bill               brown@chinchilla.ir.ucf.edu\nCambria, Michael          cambria@smaug.enet.dec.com\nCarlson, Bill             woc8r@poplar.cs.virginia.edu\nChampion, Evan            evanc@carbon.isis.org\nChandonia, John           chandoni@husc.harvard.edu\nChen, Ted                 tedc@cs.ubc.ca\nChua, Hak                 c164-ez@po.berkeley.edu\nCiesielski, Boleslaw      bolek@viewlogic.com\nClement, Bruce            frey@alfheim.actrix.gen.nz\nClemente, Marc F.         mfclemente@ucdavis.edu\nCline, Ernest             cline@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu\nCocking , Simon           simonc@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au\nCompton, Curtis           compton@plains.NoDak.edu\nCostello, Robert          rcc9885@ultb.isc.rit.edu\nCoulman, Randy            coulman@skdad.usask.ca\nCox, Anthony              AECOX@waikato.ac.nz\nCox, Robert               rcox@qvack.EE.McGill.CA\nCulliton, Tom             culliton@srg.af.mil\ndaigle, Joe               daigle@apollo.hp.com\nDeCarlo, John             jdecarlo@mitre.org\nDippold, Ron              rdippold@qualcomm.com\nDonaldson, Ian            icd@ecr.mu.oz.au\nDrye, Stephen             scdrye@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca\nDuffy, Patrick            duffy@theory.chem.ubc.ca\nDusitsin, Krid            dusitsin@ee.umr.edu\nErzberger, Martin         erzberg@ifi.unizh.ch\nFeldtmann, Marten         marten@feki.toppoint.de\nFeustel, Edward           efeustel@ida.org\nfilippini,luigi           luigi@berlioz.crs4.it\nFischer, Stefan           fischer@tammy.harvard.edu\nFleuren, Rik              rik@sci.kun.nl\nFrancis, Tim              francis@vnet.IBM.COM\nFrancois Menard           menaf00@dmi.usherb.ca\nFranks, Derek             franks@hercules.cs.uregina.ca\nFranzki, Wolfgang         wfranzki@hlrserv.hlrz.kfa-juelich.de\nFriedrich, Jochen         jofried@fzi.de\nFriis, Torben             tfriis@imada.ou.dk\nG\"unther, Stefan          stefan@med-informatik.uni-hildesheim.de\nGalarza, Edward           LENBC@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU\nGammon, Robert            rgammon@rgam.sc.ti.com\nGartler, Hermann          herm@owlnet.rice.edu\nGarzik, Jeff              gtd543a@prism.gatech.edu\nGershman, Mark            gershman@bach.udel.edu\nGiller, David R.          rafetmad@cheshire.oxy.edu\nGnassi, John              jgnassi@hstbme.mit.edu\nGoyal, Mohit              goyal@utdallas.edu\nGreen, Anthony            green@roboco.uucp\nGrupenhoff, Mike          kashmir@wam.umd.edu\nGuo, Youren               yguo@sparc0a.cs.uiuc.edu\nHacker;Jonathan           hacker@cco.caltech.edu\nHaggerty, Michael         mrhagger@Athena.MIT.EDU\nHargrave, BJ              fattire@vnet.IBM.COM\nHartman, Shane            shane@spr.com\nHartzman, Les             hartzman@kilroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov\nHassa, George             hassag@rpi.edu\nHed, Nevo                 nyh@wpi.WPI.EDU\nHeederik, Robbert         heederik@fwi.uva.nl\nHellerhoff, Torsten       Torsten_Hellerhoff@ac2.maus.de\nHendel, Bernd             BHENDEL@estec.estec.esa.nl\nHenriksen, Gerald         rn.1035@rose.com\nHenry, Andrew             A.H.Henry@gdr.bath.ac.uk\nHerbison, B.J.            herbison@lassie.ucx.lkg.dec.com\nHerron, Kenneth           kherron@ms.uky.edu\nHilmer, Andrew            hilmera@mist.CS.ORST.EDU\nHoang, Long               lhoang@orion.oac.uci.edu\nHodge, Bob                HODGE@iccgcc.cs.hh.ab.com\nHodges, Matthew           modester@iastate.edu\nHollebone, Bruce          lermer@theory.chem.ubc.ca\nholsman, Ian              IHolsman@cmutual.com.au\nHopkins, John             john@uhs1.uhs.uga.edu\nHoppenbrouwers, Jeroen    hoppie@kub.nl\nHoward, Robert            robert.howard@matd.gatech.edu\nHuang, Ping               pshuang@Athena.MIT.EDU\nJackson, Dave             D.Jackson@axion.bt.co.uk\nJensen, Colin             ljensen@netcom.com\nKassarjian, Steven        kassarji@spot.Colorado.EDU\nKiehl, Horst              kiehl@ibt013.ibt.kfa-juelich.de\nKitchin, Bruce            kitchin@lf.hp.com\nKone, Bob                 bkone@rflab.ee.ubc.ca\nKovarski, Mark            kovarski@zooid.guild.org\nKretzer, Myke             tanith@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nLacy, Stephen             sl31+@andrew.cmu.edu\nlai, william              lai@seas.gwu.edu\nLandy, Brian              landy@cco.caltech.edu\nlau, frankie              lau@tammy.harvard.edu\nLau, Stephen              lau@ai.sri.com\nLawton, Gef               glawton@cs.uah.edu\nLe Glasse, Franck         Franck.Leglasse@irisa.fr\nLebius, Henning           lebius@utkux1.utk.edu\nlee, james                jelee@ucdavis.edu\nLehtonen, Jari            jarlehto@utu.fi\nLeitner, Thomas           tom@finwds01.tu-graz.ac.at\nLempriere, Mike           mikel@networx.com\nLentin, Kevin             kevinl@bruce.cs.monash.edu.au\nLeung, Johnnie            k7z092@rick.cs.ubc.ca\nLim, Pean                 plim@claircom.com\nLin, Steven               slin@cisco.com\nLindholm, George          lindholm@ucs.ubc.ca\nLiukkonen, Juha           jliukkon@cc.helsinki.fi\nLogan, Stan               logan@lexmark.com\nLu, Kevin                 kevinlu@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au\nMartin, Johannes          jmartin@mogli.zdv.uni-mainz.de\nMashao, Daniel            djm@lems.Brown.EDU\nMaturo, Larry             larry@titan.tsd.arlut.utexas.edu\nMaxwell, Scott            scott.maxwell@channel1.com\nMayer, Gunther H.         gmayer@physik.uni-kl.de\nMaynard, Jay              jmaynard@nyx.cs.du.edu\nMcCarthy, Christopher     mccarthy@gollum.ttd.teradyne.com\nMcgehrin, Matthew         matthew@dabeef@des.edu\nMcGing, John              jmcging@access.digex.com\nMcGuire, Ed               emcguire@intellection.com\nMcMillan, Andrew          Andrew.McMillan@folly.welly.gen.nz\nmeyer, jeff               moriarty@tc.fluke.COM\nMiller, Richard           rick@crick.ssctr.bcm.tmc.edu\nMittelstaedt, Olaf H.-P.  mittelst@felix.rz.fh-ulm.de\nmoorcroft, marc           smarry@zooid.guild.org\nMorrison, John Paul       jmorriso@ee.ubc.ca\nMosher, David             dmosher@nyx.cs.du.edu\nMouawad, Naji.            nmouawad@math.uwaterloo.ca\nMullins, Don              mullins@magnum.convex.com\nNadler, Cliff             cnadler@vnet.IBM.COM\nNareid, Helge             Helge.Nareid@due.unit.no\nNarinian, Vartan          v.narinian@ic.ac.uk\nNorton, Charles M.        cmn@ftp.com\no'neel, bruce             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Marc_Van-Woerkom@ac3.maus.de\nVeeraraghavan, Venkatesh  venky@owlnet.rice.edu\nVeldhuyzen, Eric          v912182@si.hhs.nl\nVigor, Kevin              kevin@wicat.COM\nVillumsen, Ole            ovillumsen@daimi.aau.dk\nWald, David               wald@theory.lcs.mit.edu\nWallace, Jack             grey@vnet.IBM.COM\nWantosch, Rainer          RAINER@sasowa.han.de\nWatson, Brett             watson@s1.elec.uq.oz.au\nWeber-Fahr, Christoph     weber@rhrk.uni-kl.de\nWeeks, Larry              dev@ecn.purdue.edu\nWerner, John              werner@SOE.Berkeley.Edu\nWest, Mike                west@esd.dl.nec.com\nweyrich, orville          uunet.uu.net!weyrich!orville\nWhite, Andrew             apwhite@csugrad.cs.vt.edu\nWiersema, Brian           brianw@umd5.umd.edu\nWimmer, Carsten           Carsten_Wimmer@train.fido.de\nWittenauer, Allen         Allen_Wittenauer@crispy.carb.il.us\nWoodbury, Gregory         ggw@wolves.Durham.NC.US\nWorthington, Stephen      stephen@actrix.gen.nz\nWright, Gregory           gregory@bcstec.ca.boeing.com\nWyble, Richard            transfer.stratus.com!schunix!rwyble\nYOUNG, DAVID M.           dyoung@netcom.com\nZabbal, Christian         kris@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca\nzawodny, jeremy           jzawodn@andy.bgsu.edu\nZou, Nan                  nan@matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n-- \n--:--~  (OS|  Mike Levis       Unofficial OS\/2 Spokesmodel\nS\/2)  .--:-|\n--:--(OS\/2)|  mlevis@lonestar.utsa.edu   ->          votes\n (OS\/2)--~ |  mlevis@ringer.cs.utsa.edu  -> clarifications\n","1129":"From: gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary, the catechist)\nSubject: Re: Atheists and Hell\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 54\n\n>>\"We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the\n>>life of the world to come.\"  - Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.\n\n>I always took the 'resurrection' in this statement to mean the\n>resurrection of the soul, but I guess resurrection does strictly mean\n>the raising of the physical body.  I have some questions on this point:\n\nThe next time you go to church, you can check the better creed, that is,\nthe Apostles' Creed.  It says: \"the resurrection of the body.\"  Should\nhave learned that on the first go around.  But what's a body without \na little bit a'soul? \n\n>1.  I always thought that Christians believe the descent into hell was \n>pretty much immediate, and that there are people burning in hell right\n>now. Where will my \"soul\" \n>(which, by the way, I don't believe in) exist until that time?\n\nAt the risk of offending everybody, I will interject the 13th century\npoint of view.  Christ descended immediately into the bosom of Abraham\nto set captives captive.  He preached to the saved for three days before\ndrawing them with Him back to this earth.  I'm no expert on this part,\nbut Matthew (27:52-53) says about the death of Jesus: \"tombs were opened,\nand the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised.  And\ncoming forth from the tombs after his resurrection, they entered the\nholy city and appeared to many.\"  (NAB)  Regarding the hell of the\ndamned, of which you speak, Christ did not see it (Ps 16:10, Acts 2:27),\nalthough it saw Him (cf. Is 45:2).  \n\nConcerning the abodes of the dead, I don't want to subject my brethren\nto further anguish, so I will direct you to contact me through e-mail\nif you are genuinely concerned. \n\n>2.  Will the new body I will have be created out of the same atoms \n>that my body now is made of, or will it be built from scratch? \n\nYour new body might be something like Adam's before his fateful encounter\nwith the Just One (Acts 7:52, CR trans. Vulgate): filled with infused\nknowledge, absent of concupiscence, and immortal.  It would probably be\na little glorified, too.\n\n>3.  Since I will have a physical body, I assume it will need a physical\n>place to exist in -- where is this hell?  In the center of the earth?\n>Do you think we could find it if we dig?\n\nI wouldn't recommend it.  It's really hot down at the center of the earth!\nYou know, the normal geothermal gradient, and all that.\n  \nRegards.\n\n-- \nboundary, the catechist \n\nno teneis que pensar que yo haya venido a traer la paz a la tierra; no he\nvenido a traer la paz, sino la guerra (Mateo 10:34, Vulgata Latina) \n","1130":"From: jimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (Jim Gorycki)\nSubject: Panther's President\nOrganization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida\nLines: 46\n\nAs I promised, I would give you the name of the Panther's president.\nAfter Huizenga announced the team name, he announced that Bill\nTorrey is named the first president of the Panthers.\n\nA little Bio from _Sun-Sentinel_\nTorrey, the architect of four consecutive Stanley Cup champions as \npersident and general manager of the New York Islanders.\nThroughout his 27 years in the NHL, Bill Torrey's bow ties have become\nas much of a signature as Andre Agassi's hair.\n\nThe Panthers will introduce a uniform, insignia, and ticket-price \ninformation in early next month.  In the meantime, Huizenga leaves the\nday-to-day operation in the hands of Torrey and Bob Clarke, the VP and\nGM.\n\nThe Florida Panthers was chosen as the name of South Florida's NHL team\nto focus attention on an endangered species.  There are 30 to 50 Florida\nPanthers in the Everglades National Park, the Big Cypress National \nPreserve and other parts of southwestern Florida.\n\n\"The Panther is the quickest-striking of all cats,\" Torrey said.  \n\"Hopefully that's the way we'll play on ice.\"\n\nMore BIO:\nIn Torrey, Huizenga has the first man hired by the expansion Islanders\nin 1972 and the one most responsible for guiding the Islanders to four\nconsecutive Stanley Cup championships (their first after only eight\nseasons) and 14 consecutive winning seasons.  As executive vice president\nof the California Golden Seals, Torrey watched the Seals go to the play-\noffs in 1968, only their second NHL season.\n\n\"I guess this completes my own personal hat trick\", said Torrey, 58, a\nnative of Montreal but a resident of Bear Lakes Country Club in Palm\nBeach.\n\nJim G.\nother accounts:\ngorycki@sol.cse.fau.edu\njimg@cybernet.cse.fau.edu\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"I repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress.\nI repeat myself when under stress. I repeat myself when under stress.\nI repeat...\"  Adrian Belew, \"Indicipline\"\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","1131":"From: dowdy@tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu (Dowdy Jackson)\nSubject: Re: Swimming pool defense\nNntp-Posting-Host: tochtli.biochem.nwu.edu\nOrganization: Northwestern University, Evanston, Illinois\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <kbanaian.488.735081194@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu> kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr17.201310.13693@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n>>In article <dasmith.734719640@husc.harvard.edu> dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu (\n>David Smith) writes:>>Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will \n>improve these kids' chances>>of getting another job in the future, but what \n>inner city kid would want to hold>>down just one more minimum wage job when \n>there is so much more money to be made>>dealing drugs?  \n>>\n>>What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so\n>>much more money to be made dealing drugs?\n>>\n>>Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs.  So do inner\n>>city kids, when give the chance.  Any reason you think that inner city kids\n>>are incapable of doing legitimate work?\n>\n>I suppose the correct answer is not \"family values\"?\n>\n>S'pose not.  Never mind.  Sorry.\n>\nAre you assuming that families in the inner city don't have family values ?\nI sure hope not.\n\n\n","1132":"From: Nabeel Ahmad Rana <rana@rintintin.colorado.edu>\nSubject: RFD: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya moderated\nOrganization: UUNET Communications\nLines: 171\nReply-To: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net\n\nDear Netters:\n\nA new religious newsgroup \"soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya\" was pro-\nposed  on  Oct  16,  1992. The discussion about this new proposed\nnewsgroup went on in various related groups.  The  proposal,  was\nsupposed to enter a vote during the last week of November 92. Due\nto a false Call For Votes, by some opponent, the voting had to be\ncanceled.  I  quote  here  a  statement  from  the  moderator  of\nnew.announce.newgroups:\n\n\n\"The current Call For Votes (CFV) for an Ahmadiyya newsgroup\n is being canceled. A new call for votes will be issued within\n a few weeks, possibly with a new impartial vote  taker.  Discus-\n sion on the proposal is still open until the new vote is called...\"\n                                -- by Lawrence, Nov 20, 1992.\n\n\nA lot of confusion arose among the netter as  to  whom  to  vote.\nTherefore  it was decided to give a cool down period, so that all\nconfusions are over. It has been over 4 months  of  that  instant\nand now we are again attempting to create this newsgroup. A fresh\nRFD is hereby being issued. Please! take part in  the  discussion\nunder the same  title heading  and in  \"news.groups\"  or at least\ncross-post it to \"news.groups\".\n\n\n****************************************************************\n\n                REQUEST  FOR  DISCUSSION\n\n****************************************************************\n\n\n\nNAME OF PROPOSED NEWSGROUP: \n==========================\n\n     soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya\n\n\nCHARTER: \n=======\n\n     A religious newsgroup, which would mainly  discuss  the  be-\nliefs,  teachings,  philosophy  and ideologies of all major reli-\ngions of the world as  they  exist  to  foster  better  religious\nknowledge  and  understanding among followers of all religions as\nthey share common basis. This newsgroup will be devoted to  build\na  peaceful  mutual  understanding  of  the  Ahmadiyya  branch of\nIslam, its peacefull beliefs, ideology and philosophy and how  it\nis  different  from  other  branches  of Islam in fostering world\npeace and developing better understanding among religious people.\nIt may also be used to post important religious events within the\nWorld Wide Ahmadiyya Islamic Community in general.\n\n\nPURPOSE OF THE GROUP: \n====================\n\n     The following are some of the main purposes this group will\n     achieve:\n\n     i)   To discuss the common beliefs of all major religions as\n          they relate to Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.\n\n     ii)  To discuss the doctrines, origin and teachings  of this\n          puissant spiritual force on earth.\n\n     iii) To examine Islamic teachings and beliefs in general  in\n          light  of the Quran  and established Islamic traditions\n          of 15 centuries from Ahmadiyya perspective.\n\n     iv)  To discuss the similarities  between Ahmadi Muslims and\n          people of other Religions  of the world and discuss how\n          religious tolerance  and respect to other's  faiths can\n          be brought about to  eliminate inter-religion rivalries\n          and hatred among people of religions. \n\n     v)   To discuss the origin and teachings of all religions in\n          general and Islamic and Ahmadiyya Muslims in particular\n          to foster better understanding among Ahmadi Muslims and\n          other religious people.\n\n     vi)  To discuss current world problems and solution to these\n          problems as offered by religion.\n\n     vii) To exchange important news and views about the Ahmadiyya\n          Muslim Community and other Religions.\n\n     viii)To add diversity in the religious newsgroups present\n          on Usenet.\n\n     ix)  To discuss why  religious persecution is on the rise  in\n          the world  and find  solutions to remedy the ever deter-\n          iorating  situation  in the  world in general and in the \n          Islamic world in particular.\n\n     x)   To discuss the contributions of founders of  all  reli-\n          gions and their  people for humanity, society and world \n          peace in general and by the International Ahmadiyya Mus\n          -lim Community in particular.\n\n\nTYPE: \n====\n\nThe group will be MODERATED for orderly and free religious dialo-\ngue.   The moderation will NOT prevent disagreement or dissent to\nbeliefs, but will mainly be used  to  prevent  derogatory\/squalid\nuse  of  dialect  and irrelevant issues. The moderators have been\ndecided through personal e-mail and through a  general  consensus\namong  the proponants by discussion in news.groups. The following\nmoderators have been proposed and agreed upon:\n\nModerator:     Nabeel A. Rana  (rana@rintintin.colorado.edu)  \nCo-Moderator:  Dr. Tahir Ijaz  (ijaz@ccu.umanitoba.ca)\n\n\n\nA BRIEF DESCRIPTION ABOUT AHMADIYYA\/ISLAM:\n=========================================\n\n\n        The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, an international organi-\nsation, was founder in 1989 in Qadian, India. The founder of this\nsect, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908), proclaimed to be the\nPromised Reformer of this age as foretold in almost all the major\nreligions of the world today (Islam, Christianity, Judiasm,  Hin-\nduism).  He  claimed  to  be  the  long awaited second comming of\nJesus Christ (metaphorically), the Muslim Mahdi, and the Promised\nMessiah.  He  claimed that the prophecies contained in almost all\nthe great religions of the world about the advent of a  messenger\nfrom God have been fulfilled.\n\n        The claims Hazrat Ahmad raised storms  of  hostility  and\nextreme  oposition from many priestlike people of Muslims, Chris-\ntians, Jews and Hindus of that age. Such opposition is often wit-\nnessed  in  the history of divine reformers. Even today this sect\nis being persecuted specially in  some  of  the  Muslim  regimes.\nDispite  the  opposition  and persecution, this sect has won many\nadherents in 130 countries. It has over 10 million followers, who\ncome from a diverse ethnic and cultural background.\n\n        The sect is devoted to world peace and in bringing  about\na better understanding of religion, and the founders of all reli-\ngions. Its mission is to unite mankind into one Universal  broth-\nerhood  and  develop  a  better  understanding  of  faith. Ahmadi\nMuslims have always been opposed to all kind of violence and spe-\ncially religious intollerance and fundamentalism.\n\n        Among its many philanthropic activities, the sect has es-\ntablished  a network of hundreds of schools, hospitals, and clin-\nics in many third world countries. These institutions are staffed\nby  volunteer  professional  and are fully financed by the sect's\ninternal resources.\n\n        The Ahmadiyya mission is to bring about a universal moral\nreform,  establish  peace and justice, and to unite mankind under\none universal religion.\n\n\nNEWSGROUP CREATION: \n==================\n\n        When the Call For Votes is called,  the  discussion  will\nofficially  end.   Voting  will be held for about three weeks. If\nthe group gets 2\/3rd majority AND  100  more  \"YES\/Create\"  votes\nthan  \"NO\/don't  create\"  votes;  the group shall be created. Any\nquestions or comments  may  be  included  in  the  discussion  or\ndirectly sent to: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu\n","1133":"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ?\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 66\n\nIn article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n>\n>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n>Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ?\n>\n>While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto,\n\n\"fete\"??? Since this word both formally and commonly refers to\npositive\/joyous events, your misuse of it here is rather unsettling.\n \n>they repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto \n>and attempt to starve the Gazans.\n\nI certainly abhor those Israeli policies and attitudes that are\nabusive towards the Palestinians\/Gazans. Given that, however, there \n*is no comparison* between the reality of the Warsaw Ghetto and in \nGaza.  \n>\n>The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is\n>recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of\n>justice. \n\nJust as international law recognizes the right of the occupying \nentity to maintain order, especially in the face of elements\nthat are consciously attempting to disrupt the civil structure. \nIronically, international law recognizes each of these focusses\n(that of the occupied and the occupier) even though they are \ninherently in conflict.\n>\n>As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible\n>with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming\n>Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for\n>self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish\n>society does not consider Gazans full human beings.\n\nIsrael certainly cannot, and should not, continue its present\npolicies towards Gazan residents. There is, however, a third \nalternative- the creation and implementation of a jewish \"dhimmi\"\nsystem with Gazans\/Palestinians as benignly \"protected\" citizens.\nWould you find THAT as acceptable in that form as you do with\nregard to Islam's policies towards its minorities?\n \n>Whether they have some Final Solution up their sleeve ?\n\nIt is a race, then? Between Israel's anti-Palestinian\/Gazan\n\"Final Solution\" and the Arab World's anti-Israel\/jewish\n\"Final Solution\". Do you favor one? neither? \n>\n>I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever\n>they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and\n>political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings.\n\nSince there is justifiable worry by various parties that Israel\nand Arab\/Palestinian \"final solution\" intentions exist, isn't it\nimportant that BOTH Israeli *and* Palestinian\/Gazan \"rights\"\nbe secured?\n>\n>Elias Davidsson Iceland\n>\n\n\n--\nTim Clock                                   Ph.D.\/Graduate student\nUCI  tel#: 714,8565361                      Department of Politics and Society\n     fax#: 714,8568441                      University of California - Irvine\nHome tel#: 714,8563446                      Irvine, CA 92717\n","1134":"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)\nSubject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs\/Benefits\nOrganization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <rlglendeC5t133.En3@netcom.com> rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning) writes:\n>First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing\n>policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew\/mission?\n\nI don't think they're paying for it.\n\n>Do us a favor.  Resign rather than right this paper for NASA.  Go\n>do useful work for the society.\n\nUseful?  I find his estimate of the annual value to law enforcement\nof $5 million quite useful, if rough (e.g. wiretaps may be\npreferentially used on otherwise-hard-to-catch criminals, resulting\nin an underestimate).  This comes to twenty cents a head over the\nU.S. population.  I would find some rigorous numbers on this quite\nuseful -- it would make for nice slogans: \"Your privacy is worth\n$0.37\", or whatever it turns out to be.\n\n>Lew Glendenning\t\trlglende@netcom.com\n\n\t PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail\n   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu\n\n\n","1135":"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: Re: Flames Truly Brutal in Loss\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nDistribution: na\nLines: 13\n\n\nThis game would have been great as part of a double-header on ABC or\nESPN; the league would have been able to push back-to-back wins by\nLe Magnifique and The Great One.  Unfortunately, the only network\nthat would have done that was SCA, seen in few areas and hard to\njustify as a pay channel. )-;\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n","1136":"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes)\nSubject: Re: tuff to be a Christian?\nReply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 75\n\nIn article <Apr.17.01.10.58.1993.2246@geneva.rutgers.edu> mdbs@ms.uky.edu (no name) writes:\n>bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:\n\n>>same.  Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives \n>>over to him.  That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a \n>\t\t\t\t^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at.  But \n>\n>\tSo you think it is easy to be a Muslim? Or be a Buddhist?\n[good points on buddhism, etc. deleted]\n\njust because one says christianity -- true christianity -- is hard to\nfollow faithfully does NOT mean that one discounts the validity and\ndifficulty of other religions.  i admire those of any religion who are\nwilling to make the kind of sacrifices and dedicate themselves\nspiritually in the way you are talking about. \n\n[more deleted]\n>And perhaps some more. But leave the crap in it out (\"woman was created\n>after man, to be his helper\" etc).\n\ndo you think this is what christianity is all about?  not all\nchristians believe in this particular story literally.  it sounds\nabove like you are supporting a policy of \"to each his own\" -- here is\nanother example of that.  if it helps someone's faith to take every\nword of the bible literally, i support and respect that, too.\n\n>>time.  We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.  \n>>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in \n>>a while.  We box everything into time units.  Such as work at this \n>>time, sports, Tv, social life.  God is above these boxes and should be \n>\n>\tWhen ever I turn on my TV there is this Pat Robertson and\n>other brain washers (Oh boy, what an act they put on!) with an\n>1-800 number to turn in your pledges.\n>God it seems is alive and well inside these boxes.\n\nplease don't judge all of christianity by one man.  the only man one\ncan truly judge all of christianity by is jesus (makes sense, right?).\n\ni think his point about how we put our lives into little boxes is very\ntrue -- what does your comment about robertson have to do with that?\n\n>>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for \n>>ourselves.  \t  \n\n>\tParting Question:\n>\t\tWould you have become a Christian if you had not\n>been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about\n>any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim\n>you are brain washed.\n\ni was raised agnostic -- my father was never baptised and was raised\natheist.  he is not an atheist because he found a close-mindedness\npresent in the viewpoint of his parents equal to the close-mindedness\nhe found in the viewpoint of the christians he came in contact with.\nthus i was _free_ to choose how to live my life, and he supported the\ndecision i made to join the episcopal church, although he emphasized\nto me that his respect for my beliefs should result in my not\nintruding on his beliefs, ie, i should not try to convert him, as that\nis his decision.  (please, no flames or advice on how to convert him!)\none of my good friends is hindi and i greatly respect her\nbeliefs and the culture surrounding her religion.  my best friend is\njewish and i have always held a profound resepct for the jewish\nreligion (chaim potok and isaac bashevis singer are two of my favorite\nauthors).  i really do not think you can make that kind of\ngeneralization about how christians choose -- and i do mean CHOOSE--\ntheir faith.  if they have not consciously accepted the faith in their\nadult lives (which is what confirmation represents), THEN you can talk\nabout their being brainwashed.\n\nvera\n\"if you choose not to decide,\nyou still have made a choice!\"\n\t- rush, \"freewill\"\n","1137":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <<Pompous ass\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 57\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nAndrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n\n>>I think you should support your first claim, that people will simply\n>>harass me no matter what, as I doubt this is true. I think *some* of the\n>>theists will be at a loss, and that is enough reason for me.\n>Because \"IN GOD WE TRUST\" is a motto on the coins, and the coins\n>are a representation of the government, christians are given\n>ammunition here to slander atheists as unpatriotic.\n\nSo, we should ban the ammunition?  Why not get rid of the guns?\n\n>And yes, I have heard this used in conversation with christians.\n>Sure, they may fall back on other things, but this is one they\n>should not have available to use.\n\nIt is worse than others?  The National Anthem?  Should it be changed too?\nGod Bless America?  The list goes on...\n\n>Imagine if the next year's set of coins were labeled with\n>the motto:   \"GOD IS DEAD\".\n>Certainly, such a statement on U.S. coins would offend almost\n>every christian.  And I'd be tempted to rub that motto in the\n>face of christians when debunking their standard motto slinging\n>gets boring.\n\nThen you'd be no better than the people you despise.\n\n>Any statement printed on an item that represents\n>the government is an endorsement by the government.\n\nOh?\n\n>The coin motto is an endorsement of trusting in god.\n\nAn endorsement, or an acknowledgement?  I think gods are things that people\nare proud of, but I don't think the motto encourages belief.\n\n>I don't particularly feel like trusting in god,\n>so the government IS putting me down with every\n>coin it prints.\n\nIs it?\n\n[...]\n>For the motto to be legitimate, it would have to read:\n>   \"In god, gods, or godlessness we trust\"\n\nWould you approve of such a motto?\n\n>Whether the motto was intended to be anti-atheist or not,\n>it turns up as an open invitation to use as an anti-atheist tool.\n\nAnd removing the tool will solve the problem?\n\nOr will it increase the problem?\n\nkeith\n","1138":"From: smhanaes@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca (D. Wigglesworth)\nSubject: freely distributable public key cryptography c++ code:  where?\nSummary: Do you know?   \nOrganization: UTCC Public Access\nLines: 8\n\n\nDo you know of any freely distributable c++ (or c) code for public\nkey cryptography (such as RSA)?  \n\nI've tried various archie searches to no avail.  \n\n\tThanks,\n\tDan\n","1139":"From: oj@world.std.com (Oliver Jones)\nSubject: Re: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ\nOrganization: Shawsheen Software\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1993Apr26.122007.25760@relay.nswc.navy.mil> rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil writes:\n>I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function \n>to draw a [clipped] line ... = 300\n...\n>I created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300.\n>But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800).\n>My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct\n>p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3. \n\nIf you're asking, \"does the X server perform clipping\ncorrectly when drawing lines,\" the answer is \"yes.\"\n","1140":"From: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca (Jason Wiggle)\nSubject: PCX\nOrganization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada\nLines: 27\n\n\nHello\n\tHELP!!! please\n\t\tI am a student of turbo c++ and graphics programming\n\tand I am having some problems finding algorithms and code\n\tto teach me how to do some stuff..\n\n\t1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how\n\tto read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files?\n\n\t2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board\n\tso I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256\n\t800x600x256\n\t3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question?\n\nThanks very much !\n\nsend reply's to : Palm@snycanva.bitnet\n\nPeace be\nBlessed be\nStephen Palm\n","1141":"From: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu\nSubject: Re: cubs & expos roster questions\nArticle-I.D.: Msu.0096B0F0.C5DE05A0\nReply-To: alird@Msu.oscs.montana.edu\nOrganization: Montana State University\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.003015.1@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu>, cvadrnlh@vmsb.is.csupomona.edu writes:\n>Today (4\/14) Cubs activated P Mike Harkey from DL, whom did they move to make\n>room for Harkey?\n>Also, are Delino Deshields & John Wetteland of the Expos on the DL?\n>Thanks for anyone who can give me more info!\n>\/===\n>Ken \n>Cal Poly, Pomona\n>\n\nWetteland is on the DL effective March 26 or something like that.\n\nrick\n","1142":"Subject: Re: Christians above the Law? was Clarification of pe\nFrom: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Harding University, Searcy, AR\nNntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: pharvey@quack.kfu.com's message of 18 Apr 1993 18:31:38 UTCLines: 87\nLines: 87\n\n> When are we going to hear a Christian answer to this question? \n> \n> In paraphrase: \n> \n> On what or whose authority do Christians proclaim that they\n> are above the Law and above the Prophets (7 major and 12 minor) and not \n> accountable to the Ten Commandments of which Jesus clearly spoke His opinion \n> in Matthew 5:14-19? What is the source of this pseudo-doctrine? Who is\n> the pseudo-teacher? Who is the Great Deceiver?\n\nOK, here's at least one Christian's answer:\n\nJesus was a JEW, not a Christian.  In this context Matthew 5:14-19 makes\nsense.  Matt 5:17 \"Do not think that I [Jesus] came to abolish the Law or\nthe Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill.\"  Jesus lived\nunder the Jewish law.  However, He was the culmination of the promises\nof the Prophets.  He came to *fulfill* the prophecies and fully obey\nGod's purposes.\n\nVerse 18 says \"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass\naway, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law,\nuntil all is accomplished.\"  The key to this verse IMHO is the last \nphrase.  Jesus, as the fulfillment of the law, \"accomplished\" what the \nLaw was supposed to accomplish.  \n\nVerse 19:  \"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments,\nand so teaches others, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven;\nbut whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the\nkingdom of heaven.\"  Taken in the context of Jesus teaching Jewish \npeople about living lives under the law, this makes sense.\n\nIn general, it appears that Jesus is responding to some criticism he \nmust have received about \"doing away with the Law.\"  That was not \nJesus' intent at all.  He had come to earth to live the Law as it \nshould be lived and fulfill the promises made by God to his \npeople all the way back to Eve [Gen 3:15-The serpent will bruise your \nheel, but *He* will bruise his head.]  Jesus appeared to be \"doing \naway with the Law\" because he did not honor the traditions of men as \nequal to the Law of God.  He regularly locked horns with the religious \nleaders of the day because he would not conform to *their* rules, only \nGod's Law.\n\nIn the Matthew passage Jesus is defending his dedication to the Law \nand defending himself against his accusors.  Almost the entire Sermon \non the Mount (Matt. 5-7) is dedicated to helping the Jewish people \nunderstand the true intent of the Law, sweeping away the clutter which \nhad been introduced by the Pharasees and their traditions.\n\nIn Galatians 3:23-26, Paul describes the relationship of Jesus to the \nLaw in this way:\n\n[23] But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being \nshut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.  [24] Therefore \nthe Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, that we may be \njustified by faith.  [25]  But now that faith has come, we are no \nlonger under a tutor.  [26] For you are all sons of God through faith \nin Christ Jesus.\n\nI believe this says that after Christ was revealed, the Law had \nserved it's purpose, i.e. \"our tutor to lead us to Christ,\" and\nnow, \"we are no longer under a tutor.\"  The law has been \"fulfilled\" \nas Christ said he would do.\n\nGod, the author of the old Law, and the Christ\/Man, Jesus, are the same\npersonality.  Therefore, the old Law and the new Testament (the \"last\nwill and testament\" of Jesus) are based on the same moral principles. \nIt makes sense that many of the principles in the old Law are\nre-expressed in Christianity. \n\nOn the other hand, now that the Law has fulfilled it's purpose and \nChristians relate to God through Christ, not the Law, it also makes \nsense that new practices and new symbolisms were established to \nrepresent the \"mysteries\" of this new relationship.  i.e. Baptism \nrepresenting Christ's death, burial, and resurrection (Rom. 6:3-8),\nThe Lord's supper as a memorial to His sacrifice (I Cor. 11:26), and\nSunday as a day of worship commemorating His resurrection (Matt 28:1ff,\nActs 20:7)\n\nOK, That's one Christian's explanation.  I don't claim to have all\nthese issues completely settled even in my own mind and I welcome\nother Christians to offer other alternatives.\n\nPlease excuse the long posting.  Thanks for your interest if you have read \nthis far...\n\nJohn Nunnally\nNunnally@acs.Harding.edu\n","1143":"From: Feng.Qian@launchpad.unc.edu (Feng Qian)\nSubject: IRWIN 250 owners: don't miss this deal on tapes\nArticle-I.D.: samba.1993Apr6.152232.28010\nOrganization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service\nLines: 16\nNntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu\n\n\nIRWIN suggests the use of pre-formatted tapes for their tape drives, as\nyou often can't successfully format a tape and need  bulk-erase it before\nyou can format it again. Anyway, I have some new, preformatted tapes for\nIRWIN 250 tape drives. \nIRWIN accuTRAK series 120-250MB, $16\/ea. New never used.\n3M DC2120, RHOMAT Format.  $16\/ea. Wraped.\n\nEmail if interested.\n\nFeng\n--\n   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of\n     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information\n        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.\n           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80\n","1144":"From: music@erich.triumf.ca (FRED W. BACH)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility\nLines: 71\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <1993Apr15.173851.25846@convex.com>, tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes...\n#In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (\"Erik Velapoldi\") writes:\n#>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.\n#>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to\n#>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five\n#>cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly\n#>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck \n#>in the head by one of the larger rocks.  I don't recall if she \n#>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and \n#>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.\n#>\n#>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I\n#>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but\n#>20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??\n\n   Yes. Nobody is watching them.  If they get caught, there is no punishment\n at all.  In the old days such behaviour would be rewarded with a whipping\n with a good-sized belt, and then taken into some hospital to see first hand\n what kind of damage such accidents cause.   Of course this doesn't happen\n any more.  That whipping would probably save the kid's life by teaching\n him some respect for others.  A person with that little respect would\n inevitably wind up dead early anyway.\n\n   The problem is creeping gradualism.  If you put a frog into hot water,\n he just jumps out.  But if you put him into cold water and then ever-so-\n gradually heat it, the frog will cook.  This is what the entertainment\n industry and lack of religious, moral, and educational standards in our\n modern North American society have done to us over the years.  Now that\n we are about to be 'cooked', we may have woken up too late.\n\n#>\n#>Erik velapold\n# \n#Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason\n#is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is\n#\"No Big Deal\". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort \n#children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised\n#when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the\n#message they hear is \"Life is Cheap\"!\n\n  And the education system and the Religious Leaders aren't doing much \n about it, either.  With both parents working in this society, where is\n the stabilizing influence at home?   Latchkey children are everywhere!\n And these latchkey kids can watch whatever rotten videos and listen to\n whatever violent hate-promoting \"music\" and videos they like because no\n one is home to stop it.\n\n  This day and age, when there is about 100 times more things to learn\n than when I went to school, our answer to this increased knowledge is\n shorter school hours and more leisure time!  I say keep the kids in\n school longer, feed them good food and teach them something, and when\n they get home, have a parent there to interact and monitor them.  There\n is a very old and now forgotten proverb: a child left on his own will\n bring a parent to grief.  Daycare systems are not the answer.  This is\n just shifting the parents' own responsibilities off on someone else to\n whom it's not a life-long committment, but rather just a job.\n\n\n# \n#AT\n\n  Followups should go to alt.parents-teens\n\n\n Fred W. Bach ,    Operations Group        |  Internet: music@erich.triumf.ca\n TRIUMF (TRI-University Meson Facility)    |  Voice:  604-222-1047 loc 327\/278\n 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS            |  FAX:    604-222-1074\n University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA   V6T 2A3\n\n These are my opinions, which should ONLY make you read, think, and question.\n They do NOT necessarily reflect the views of my employer or fellow workers.\n","1145":"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)\nSubject: Please help find video hardware\nArticle-I.D.: fmsrl7.1pqf9oINN88e\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\n[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.hp ]\n[ Author was Gordon Lang ]\n[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:25:27 GMT ]\n\n[ Article crossposted from comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware ]\n[ Author was Gordon Lang ]\n[ Posted on 5 Apr 1993 23:19:01 GMT ]\n\nI need a device (either an ISA board or a subsystem) which will\ntake two RGB video signals and combine them according to a template.\nThe template can be as simple as a rectangular window with signal\none being used for the interior and signal two for the exterior.\nBut I beleive fancier harware may also exist which I do not want\nto exclude from my search.  I know this sort of hardware exists\nfor NTSC, etc. but I need it for RGB.\n\nPlease email and or post any leads....\n\nGordon Lang (glang@smail.srl.ford.com  -or-  glang@holo6.srl.ford.com)\n","1146":"From: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)\nSubject: Overriding default WM Behaviour\nOrganization: Oracle Europe\nLines: 48\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\n\nI posted this about tow weeks ago but never saw it make it (Then again\nI've had some problems with the mail system). Apologies if this appears\nfor the second time:\n\nUsually when I start up an application, I first get the window outline\non my display. I then have to click on the mouse button to actually\nplace the window on the screen. Yet when I specify the -geometry \noption the window appears right away, the properties specified by\nthe -geometry argument. The question now is:\n\nHow can I override the intermediary step of the user having to specify\nwindow position with a mouseclick? I've tried explicitly setting window\nsize and position, but that did alter the normal program behaviour.\n\nThanks for any hints\n---> Robert\n\nPS: I'm working in plain X, using tvtwm.\n\n\n\n******************************************************************************\n* Robert Gasch        * Der erste Mai ist der Tag an dem die Stadt ins      *\n* Oracle Engineering   * Freihe tritt und den staatlichen Monopolanspruch    *\n* De Meern, NL        * auf Gewalt in Frage stellt                          *\n* rgasch@nl.oracle.com *                           - Einstuerzende Neubauten *\n******************************************************************************\n\n\n----------------------- Headers ------------------------\n>From uupsi7!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert-mailer Thu Apr 22 17:24:28 1993 remote from aolsys\nReceived: from uupsi7 by aolsys.aol.com id aa19841; Thu, 22 Apr 93 17:10:35 EDT\nReceived: from srmftp.psi.com by uu7.psi.com (5.65b\/4.0.071791-PSI\/PSINet) via SMTP;\n        id AA02784 for ; Thu, 22 Apr 93 12:04:36 -0400\nReceived: from expo.lcs.mit.edu by srmftp.psi.com (4.1\/3.1.072291-PSI\/PSINet)\n id AA17104; Thu, 22 Apr 93 10:19:31 EDT\nReceived: by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:57:38 -0400\nReceived: from ENTERPOOP.MIT.EDU by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:57:37 -0400\nReceived: by enterpoop.MIT.EDU (5.57\/4.7) id AA27271; Thu, 22 Apr 93 06:57:14 -0400\nReceived: from USENET by enterpoop with netnewsfor xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu (xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu);contact usenet@enterpoop if you have questions.\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\nDate: 22 Apr 93 08:09:35 GMT\nFrom: rgasch@nl.oracle.com (Robert Gasch)\nMessage-Id: <3873@nlsun1.oracle.nl>\nOrganization: Oracle Europe\nSubject: Overriding Default Behaviour\n\n","1147":"From: revdak@netcom.com (D. Andrew Kille)\nSubject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Stan\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 40\n\nDaniel Segard (dsegard@nyx.cs.du.edu) wrote:\n\n[a lot of stuff deleted]\n\n:      For that matter, stay Biblical and call it Omar Rasheet (The Feast of\n: First Fruits).  Torah commands that this be observed on the day following\n: the Sabbath of Passover week.  (Sunday by any other name in modern\n: parlance.)  Why is there so much objection to observing the Resurrection\n: on the 1st day of the week on which it actually occured?  Why jump it all\n: over the calendar the way Easter does?  Why not just go with the Sunday\n: following Passover the way the Bible has it?  Why seek after unbiblical\n: methods?\n:  \nIn fact, that is the reason Easter \"jumps all over the calendar\"- Passsover\nitself is a lunar holiday, not a solar one, and thus falls over a wide\npossible span of times.  The few times that Easter does not fall during or\nafter Passover are because Easter is further linked to the Vernal Equinox-\nthe beginning of spring.\n\n[more deletions]\n:  \n:       So what does this question have to do with Easter (the whore\n: goddess)?  I am all for celebrating the Resurrection.  Just keep that\n: whore out of the discussion.\n:  \nYour obsession with the term \"whore\" clouds your argument.  \"Whore\" is\na value judgement, not a descriptive term.\n\n[more deletions]\n\nOverall, this argument is an illustration of the \"etymological fallacy\"\n(see J.P. Louw: _Semantics of NT Greek_).  That is the idea that the true\nmeaning of a word lies in its origins and linguistic form.  In fact, our\nown experience demonstrates that the meaning of a word is bound up with\nhow it is _used_, not where it came from.  Very few modern people would\nmake any connection whatsoever between \"Easter\" and \"Ishtar.\"  If Daniel\nSeagard does, then for him it has that meaning.  But that is a highly\nidiosyncratic \"meaning,\" and not one that needs much refutation.\n\nrevdak@netcom.com\n","1148":"From: cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton)\nSubject: Re: Ban All Firearms !\nReply-To: cmort@ncoast.org (Christopher Morton)\nOrganization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH\nLines: 24\n\nAs quoted from <1993Apr14.184448.2331@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:\n\n> \tFirearms tend to fall into this low dollar\/pound area.\n> \tIt would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production\n> \twould have to be local. There are not all that many people\n> \twho have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile\n> \tfirearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could\n> \tobtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and\n> \taverage thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would\n> \tpay through the nose for it. \n\nYou don't know much about modern automatic weapons, do you?  Just about ANYBODY\nwith basic manufacturing skill can turn out HIGH QUALITY submachineguns.  A \ncouple of high school shop teachers were recently arrested for building \nsubmachineguns in the school shop.\n\nI suggest that you go to the library and find a copy of \"Smallarms of the \nWorld\".  Your entire premise is based on non-factual assumptions.\n\n-- \n===================================================================\n\"You're like a bunch of over-educated, New York jewish ACLU lawyers\nfighting to eliminate school prayer from the public schools in\nArkansas\" - Holly Silva\n","1149":"From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera)\nSubject: Hockey & Hispanic market\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA\nLines: 10\nOriginator: icop@csa\n\n\nIn article <saross01.734885336@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>, saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) writes:\n|> In <C5I2s2.3Bt@odin.corp.sgi.com> rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:\n|> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that\n|> >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons.\n|> >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off.\n\nWhat is this crap? I'm only interested in intelligent discussion. If you \ncan't answer my question, just say so. Can anyone else answer the ques.?\n\n","1150":"From: jon@chopin.udel.edu (Jon Deutsch)\nSubject: NEC P5200 Printer question!\nNntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware - What state is that in?\nLines: 14\n\nI just picked up a second-hand \"color option\" for the NEC P5200\n24pin dot matrix printer.  Alas, there were no installation instructions,\nso I am totally confused on WHY it WON'T GO IN!\n\nDo I have to remove the actaual print head?  It seems *almost* to fit,\nbut not quite.\n\nPlease... any info would be most appreciated!\n\n\n       X-------------------+--------------+-----------------------X\n       |  |   |\\       |>jon@chopin.udel.edu<|  \"For my 2 cents,  |\n       | \\|on |\/eutsch |>>-----------------<<|  I'd pay a dollar\" |\n       X------+--------------------+--------------------+---------X\n","1151":"From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar)\nSubject: PBS Frontline documentary : \"Memory of the camps\"\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 13\n\nYesterday, I watched an outstanding documentary on PBS prepared for Frontline\nby the documentary consortia.  It is called \"Memory of the camps\" and shows some\n\"un-censored\" pictures taken immediately after the liberation of Bergen-Belsen\nand other death camps.\n  \nI recommend it to everybody.  Check with your PBS station for re-broadcast.\nIT IS A MUST SEE documentary.  \n   \nIn the Seatle, Vancouver area KSTS-9 will re-broadcast the documentary\non Monday 01:30 am.\nYou can also order a copy from PBS Video 1-800-3287271.  The cost is $59.95.\n\nDanny\n","1152":"Subject: Re: Exploding TV!\nFrom: xhan@uceng.uc.edu (Xiaoping Han)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Cincinnati\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1qk4hj$qos@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> prasad@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Prasad Ramakrishna) writes:\n\n>... Why would the picture tube explode or even smoke?\n\nIt's not the picture tube. More likely the flyback. Emerson? can't admire.\nHan\n\n>Prasad\n>prasadr@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu\n>\n\n\n","1153":"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: div. and conf. names\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nDistribution: na\nLines: 50\n\nIn <1993Apr19.191126.27651@newshub.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:\n\n>However, that aside, the real question is whether you like the idea of\n>changing the names based on the reasons given for it (making it easier for\n>the 'casual fan'), or whether you like the idea of unique divisional names\n>based on individuals who do deserve the honour.  IMO, the latter is a nice\n>and unique touch that differs from other sports.  In addition, I do not\n>think that changing divisional names will have an effect on the number of\n>people that are interested in hockey, so it's a pointless exercise anyway.\n\nThere are several problems with the way the game is being presented to the\nfans.  I feel that geographical names would enhance regional loyalties\nmore than names honouring personages.  And of course, they would not appear\nnearly as confusing to one approaching the sport for the first time.  \nAnother thing that bothers me is the points system.  Percentages, as used in\nthe other major sports are clearly more informative.  When I look at the\nNHL standings the first thing I have to do is make a quick calculation to\naccount for games in hand (which is almost always the case).  Some will\nobject to percentages, claiming perhaps, that it is an \"Americanization\"\nof the sport but I feel that using percentages is more informative and\nwhether it is \"American\" or not is irrelevant.\n \n>If the current names are inappropriate, then that is a separate issue, not \n>central to the original article.  Something to consider additionally is\n>whether or not players like Orr who 'contributed to the glory of the sport'\n>would have been able to do so _without_ an organized professional league to\n>play in.  In this case, honouring builders of the _league_ as opposed to\n>builders of the _sport_ becomes a chicken-and-egg type question. (although\n>it was the chicken.....)\n\nEven if Orr couldn't have contributed without the likes of Norris, you would\nhave to agree that Norris couldn't have contributed without the likes of Orr.\nAnd taking a poll of most fans would quickly tell you who the fans feel made\nthe more meaningful contribution.\n\n>>Exactly true.  Naming divisions and trophies after Smythe and the bunch\n>>is the same kind of nepotism that put Stein in the hall of fame.  I have\n>>always thought that this was nonsense.\n\n>Dunno if the Stein comparison is justifiable, since it doesn't look as though\n>his 'unanimous acceptance' to the Hall will hold up.\n\nIt doesn't look as if the division names are going to hold up either does it?\n\n\n-- \n\ncordially, as always,                      maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n                                           \"So many morons...\nrm                                                   ...and so little time.\" \n","1154":"From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)\nSubject: Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity\nOrganization: PANIX Public Access Unix, NYC\nLines: 25\n\nIn <May.7.01.08.16.1993.14381@athos.rutgers.edu> whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes:\n\n>Any one who thinks that Homosexuality and Christianity are compatible should check  \n>out:\n>\tRomans 1:27\n>\tI Corinthians 6:9\n>\tI Timothy 1:10\n>\tJude 1:7\n>\tII Peter 2:6-9\n>\tGen. 19\n>\tLev  18:22\n>(to name a few of the verses that pertain to homosexuality)\n\nHomosexual Christians have indeed \"checked out\" these verses.  Some of\nthem are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations.\nOthers simply do not address the issues.\n\nYou would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course\nin exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know.  I suggest that\nyou stop \"proof-texting\" about things you know nothing about.\n-- \nMichael L. Siemon\t\tI say \"You are gods, sons of the\nmls@panix.com\t\t\tMost High, all of you; nevertheless\n    - or -\t\t\tyou shall die like men, and fall\nmls@ulysses.att..com\t\tlike any prince.\"   Psalm 82:6-7\n","1155":"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)\nSubject: Goalie mask poll\nArticle-I.D.: hydra.93158\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 31\n\n\n\tHere is an update on the Goalie mask poll...\n\tFirst, since so many people gave me their 3 best, I decided to\ngive 3 pts for their favorite, 2 pts for 2nd, 1 for 3rd. If you e-mailed\na response with only one, I gave it 3 pts. Please feel free to send me\nyour 2 other favorites, if you only sent one before. \n\tAlso, votes are still welcome! Any mask you like will do, as I \nhave received votes for players not in the NHL. Please mention what team\nthey play for, though.\n\tSo here are the up-to-date results so far:\n\nPlayer                 Team              Pts     Votes\n-------------------------------------------------------\n1. Ed Belfour          Chicago            8        4\n   Andy Moog           Boston             8        3\n3. Curtis Joseph       St. Louis          5        2\n4. Brian Hayward       San Jose           4        2\n5. Grant Fuhr          Buffalo            3        1\n   Ron Hextall         Quebec             3        1\n7. Clint Malarchuk     Buffalo            2        1\n   Manon Rheaume       Atlanta (IHL)      2        1\n9. John Casey          Minnesota          1        1\n   Rick Wamsley        Toronto (retired)  1        1\n\n\tThanks to all that voted, and keep 'em coming!\n\n-- \nGO SKINS!    ||\"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite\nGO BRAVES!   ||   an effect on you?\" - Mike Patton, Faith No More \nGO HORNETS!  ||\nGO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu\n","1156":"From: sab@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu\nSubject: Info needed: 2D contour plotting\nLines: 16\n\nHi Everyone--\n\n  It's spend-the-money-before-it-goes-away time here at U.Florida\nand we need to find some PC-based software that will do contour\nplotting with irregular boundaries,i.e., a 2-D profile of a soil\n                                    system with a pond superimposed\n                \/-----------------  on it.  We've given SURFER a\n    POND      \/                  |  trial run but it interpolates\n            \/                    |  contours out into the pond and\/or\n----------\/                      |  creates artifacts at the borders.\n|              SOIL              |  If anyone out there knows of a\n|                                |  product, I'ld appreciate hearing\n|________________________________|  about it.  If there is enough of\na response, I'll post a summary.  Thanks -- (and now back to lurking).\n\n   Steve Bloom, Soil & Water Science, U.Fl (SAB@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU)\n","1157":"From: rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui)\nSubject: Re: A Question I Do Not Found In FAQ\nReply-To: rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil\nOrganization: NAVSWC DD White Oak Det.\nLines: 72\n\ncomp.windows.x\nIn article <1993Apr26.122007.25760@relay.nswc.navy.mil>, rchui@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Raymond Chui) writes:\n\n\tPlease igore my previouse calculation mistaked. Please see the correct\ncalculation. Sorry!\n|> I created a pixmap or drawable window, then used XDrawLine() function \n|> drawed a line as below fingure:\n|> \n|> \t\twidth = 300\n|> \t================================\n|> \t|\t\t\t\t|\n|> \t|\t\t\t\t|\n|> \t|\t\t\tp1\t|\n|> \t|\t\t\t\\\t|\n|> \t|\t\t\t \\\t| height = 300\n|> \t|\t\t\t  \\\t|\n|> \t|\t\t\t   \\\t|\n|> \t|\t\t\t    \\\t|\n|> \t|\t\t\t     \\\t|\n|> \t|\t\t\t      \\\t|\n|> \t|\t\t\t       \\|p3\n|> \t|\t\t\t\t| \n|> \t|===============================| \\\n|> \t\t\t\t\t    \\\n|> \t\t\t\t\t     p2\n|> \n|> \tI created the pixmap or drawable window only with size 300x300.\n|> But I draw line from p1(x1=270,y1=100) to p2(x2=500,y2=800).\n|> My question is, dose the XDrawLine function can finger out that correct\n|> p3(x3 and y3) for me? If you calculate x3 and y3. \n|> \n x3 = 300;\n @ = art tan (500 - 270)\/(800 - 100)) = 18.19 degrees;\n y3 = 100 + (300 - 270)\/tan(@) = 191.29 ~= 191 integer\n\n|> \n|> How do I prove XDrawLine() give me the right x3, y3 or not?\n|> Please don't ask me why I don't created a 900x900 pixmap. No, I don't\n|> wan to. \n|> \n|> Thanks in advance!\n|> -- \n|> Raymond H. Chui\n|> NSWC N62\n|> 10901 New Hampshire Ave.\n|> Silver Spring, MD 20903-5000\n|> U.S.A.\n|> Voice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45\n|> FAX:1(301)394-4483\n|> EMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil\n|>  _ __                                  _    ,    __\n|> ' )  )                           \/    ' )  \/    \/  ) \/\n|>  \/--' __. , , ____   ______   __\/      \/--\/    \/    \/_  . . o\n|> \/  \\_(_(_(_\/_\/) ) )_(_) \/) )_(_(_     \/  ( o  (__\/ \/ \/_(_\/_(_\n|>           \/\n|>          '\n\n-- \nRaymond H. Chui\nNSWC N62\n10901 New Hampshire Ave.\nSilver Spring, MD 20903-5000\nU.S.A.\nVoice:1(301)394-3807 Ext. 45\nFAX:1(301)394-4483\nEMail:rchui@opal.nswc.navy.mil\n _ __                                  _    ,    __\n' )  )                           \/    ' )  \/    \/  ) \/\n \/--' __. , , ____   ______   __\/      \/--\/    \/    \/_  . . o\n\/  \\_(_(_(_\/_\/) ) )_(_) \/) )_(_(_     \/  ( o  (__\/ \/ \/_(_\/_(_\n          \/\n         '\n","1158":"From: vgalvez@itesocci.gdl.ITeso.MX (Virginia Galvez)\nSubject: (none)\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: XPERT@Athena.MIT.EDU\n\nI am working on a problem of scheduling classroom, and I will like to know if\nyou have some software, papers or articles about it. If you have something\nrelate it,  please let me know.\n\n\t\tthanks\n\n\t\tLorenza Illanes\n","1159":"From: donb@netcom.com (Don Baldwin)\nSubject: Re: 2ND AMENDMENT DEAD - GOOD !\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1qrn3aINN4rq@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com \n(Jim De Arras) writes:\n>> The 2nd amendment is dead. Accept this. Find another way.\n>\n>It ain't dead, yet.  And even if it were repealed, remember, it just protects \n>our RKBA, it does not grant any rights.  There would then have to be \n>additional laws passed to outlaw gun possession.\n\nEven if they outlawed private posession of firearms, there would be no moral\nforce behind that law; I imagine compliance would be low.\n\n    don\n\n\n","1160":"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)\nSubject: Re: Best Radar Detector ???\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 38\n\nIn article <1993Apr10.013011.808@lrc.edu>, burnside_br@lrc.edu writes:\n>In article <1993Apr6.225034.7184@opencon.com>, giand@opencon.com (Deepak S. Gia\nnchandani) writes:\n>> Mubashir Cheema:\n>>\n>>      Don't buy one, that is the best way to avoid tickets,\n>>      I used to have one and whenever a cop would pull me over, see\n>>      the thing, give me a ticket.  One time my sister was driving,\n>>      and had it in the glove compartment, it was broken, and she\n>>      got a ticket.  In 1987, I had received 4 tickets because of\n>>      it, one for my sister (so a total of five).\n>>\n>>      That was five years ago, now I don't have one and Have not\n>>      gotten a ticket.  My driving habits have not changed\n>>      drastically.  Only two days ago I was going 77 MPH on Highway\n>>      with 55 MPH limit, cop saw me, I break a little, nothing\n>>      happened (I was driving a Mini-Van, with my family in it).\n>>      Otherwise, I have Cutlass Supreme,  which I do 70 most of the\n>>      times on the highway.\n>>\n>>      So basically my opnion is not to get one, if you do get pulled\n>>      over, The cop will hear your excuse, but if you have a radar\n>>      detecter, he will NOT. (again, this has been my experienc\n>\n>\n>Just get a remote model that is not visible to the cop.  But, be sure to get\n>front AND rear sensors...\n>\nYou can also just put the detector off to the side on the dash so the cop\ndoesn't see it right away...Valentine is the best detector by far (as stated\nby Car and Driver) and even tells you what direction the radar is coming from.\n It also gives the amount of \"threats\" it is picking up, so if you go through\n the same place everyday, and it always goes off there, you can glance at the\n number of \"threats\" the Valentine is detecting to see if it is a genuine cop.\n  It's about $300 and you can only get it factory direct..one problem.\n                                            Rob Fusi\n                                            rwf2@lehigh.edu\n-- \n","1161":"Distribution: world\nFrom: David_A._Schnider@bmug.org\nOrganization: BMUG, Inc.\nSubject: DESI PB upgrade\nLines: 9\n\nDoes anyone know exactly how Digital Eclipse does their upgrades?  Someone was\nsuggesting to me that some chips may not be able to perform at 33MHz.  Is this\ntrue, and if so, how does DESI deal with that?\n\n-David\n\n**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG.  The message contained in\n**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.\n\n","1162":"From: dthumim@athena.mit.edu (Daniel J Thumim)\nSubject: Re: 20\" or 21\" grayscale displays\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu\n\n>  A quick look through the Computer Shopper gave the following companies\n>that sell 20\"+ monochrome monitors for less than $2000 (PC or PS\/2 compatible):\n>  Cornerstone Technology, Digital Technology, Hardware That Fits,\n>  IBM, Ikegami, Image Systems, Nanao, Radius,\n>  Ran-Ger Technologies, Sampo, Samsung, Sigma Designs.\n\nMost of these are single-scan monitors, which are useless for most\nPC users.  I posted requests for information in other newsgroups which\nwere mostly fruitless, but I have managed to track down two multisync\ngrayscal monitors in the 17-21\" range, one 20\" and one 21\".  I am still\nlooking into it, and I will post the results when I get more info.\nI am looking into a group purchase as well.\n                                              -- |)aniel Thumim\n                                              dthumim@mit.edu\n","1163":"From: ygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester)\nSubject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !\nDistribution: na\nLines: 44\n\nThe Clipper chip is just the culmination of Dorthy Denning et all.\nBut lets ignore that for the moment.\n\nThe fundamental question is:Can the government stop me from using\nencryption?\n\nIgnoring for the moment the question of patented processes (such as\nPublic Keys), can the government stop me from using an encryption\nprocess?\n\nIf the answer is yes then what freedom we have in this country is\ntruly gone and its time to get out the guns or the lawyers\n(depending upon which causes more damage and to whom).\n\nHowever assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who\ncares about the clipper chip? As far as I'm concerned a phone line\nis insecure PERIOD. I don't care if they encrypt it 10 ways from\nsunday, if I didn't do the encrypting, I don't trust it. This is the\nattitude that everyone else should have. Instead of worrying about a\nclipper chip, simply connect your handset to your computer and feed\nthe voice single through, process, encrypt, and transmit over the\nphone. The guy on the other hand then does the same in reverse.\n\nCan't work you say? No Standard you say? Obviously you have never\nuses PGP.\n\nAnyone who expects the government to protect their freedoms is\nkidding themselves. Only you can protect your own freedoms.\n\nOne final thought addressed to EFF:\n\t1.Do you support the implementation of ANY form of\n\tencryption where the encryption key must be revealed?\n\t2.If you do, why? If not, why?\n\t3.What SPECIFIC actions are you planning to take to either\n\tsupport or stop this proposal?\n\t4.If you do not support this proposal, what alternatives do\n\tyou offer?\n\n\t\t\t\tThe Jester\n-- \nProof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk\nspace, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your\ncomputer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly\nmessages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin\n","1164":"From: John Michael Santore <jsbh+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: NHL Team Captains\nOrganization: Sophomore, Mathematics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 31\n\t<1993Apr19.022113.12134@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com>\n\t<wfohu=K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <wfohu=K00WBM850Z5v@andrew.cmu.edu>\n\n>Michael Collingridge writes:\n> \n>>And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, \n>>resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other \n>>team captain trivia would be appreciated.\n> \n>Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to\n>Pittsburgh?\n>\n>Mom.\n\nRick Tocchet was captain of the Flyers for several years before he was\ntraded to the Pens...\n\n                                    -John Santore\n\n\n=============================================================================\n ____________________                                \n\/                    \\                   \"We break the surface tension \n\\_________     ____   \\                   with our wild kinetic dreams\"\n\/             \/    \\   \\                        -Rush, Grand Designs\n\\_______     \/  (*) )   )\n\/           \/ \/\\___\/   \/                 Go Philadelphia Flyers!\n\\_____     \/ \/        \/\n\/         \/  \\_______\/                   John Santore (jsbh@andrew.cmu.edu)\n\\________\/   \n          \nRush-Yes-King Crimson-Emerson, Lake and Palmer-Marillion-Genesis (w\/ Gabriel)\n=============================================================================\n\n","1165":"From: C604223@mizzou1.missouri.edu (Cho Chuen Wong)\nSubject: Performa Plus monitor\nNntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu\nOrganization: University of Missouri\nLines: 3\n\nI would like to know if a Performa Plus monitor is compatible with Apple 14in\nColor Display, or it is just a VGA moniro.  Any help will be appreciate.\n \n","1166":"From: pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt)\nSubject: Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?\nOrganization: Advocates for Self-Government - Davy Crockett Chapter\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 50\n\nsys1@exnet.co.uk (Xavier Gallagher) writes:\n: \n: No.  I make a distinction between working for yourself to survive and\n: paying dues to Mother Nature in the form of labour and working for\n: Joe propertyowner because you do not have the option of working for\n: yourself.  Joe propertyowner stands between you and the earth you\n: work and expects you to pay him *and* mother nature for the right\n: to survive.  The property laws create a layer of parasites that get\n: fat on the fact that people have *no option* except to work in\n: factories.  \n: \nI want people to be able to get the things they need in life.  Property\nownership may not be ideal, but it is far better at letting people get\nwhat they need to live a productive, fulfulling life.\n\nThe first experiment in America, where property ownership was denied,\ncaused, starvation, hunger, and death.  Few people know that the\nPilgrims originally tried to have common property to grow food and a\ncommon food store.  Many people know the hardships they suffered the\nfirst few winters because of it.  After arriving, the Pilgrims made all\nproperty common.  They all shared in the work and the resulting crops\nwent into a common store.  After much debate the new Governor Bradford\nprivitized the land; assigning plots to each family.  According to Perry\nD. Westbrook:  \"The change was immediately justified by the increased\nindustry of the inhabitants and by the larger acreage planted.\"\n\nBradford himself acknowledged this failure of communism.  He wrote:  \"The\nexperience that was had in this common course and condition, tried\nsundry years and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the\nvanity of that conceit of Plato's and other ancients applauded by some of\nlater times; that the taking away of property and bringing in community into\na commonwealth would make them happy and flourishing; as if they were wiser\nthan God.  For this community (so far as it was) was found to breed much\nconfusion and discontent and retard much employment that would have been\nto their benefit and comfort.\"\n\nBradford did not blame this failure on the \"strangers\", but on the basic\nselfishness in all men.  He wrote \"seeing all men have this corruption in\nthem, God in his wisdom saw another course fitter for them.\"  In other\nwords, according to Westbrook, \"Bradford found private enterprise to be\nthe most suitable economic policy for mankind in its fallen state.\"\n\nLet's not make the same mistake that the Pilgrims made.  Private\nproperty allows a society to flourish, the alternative brings\nstarvation, poverty and discontent.\n-- \nPaul Schmidt: Advocates for Self-Government, Davy Crockett Chapter President\n706 Judith Drive, Johnson City, TN 37604, (615)283-0084, uunet!tijc02!pjs269\n\"Freedom seems to have unleashed the  creative energies of the people -- and\nleads to ever higher levels of income and social progress.\"  --  U.N. report\n","1167":"From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek)\nSubject: VISION-3D site and email unavailable\nOrganization: Boeing\nLines: 21\n\nI used the information provided in the recent resource listings and\ntried to ftp to:\n\nccu1.aukland.ac.nz [130.216.1.5]:  ftp\/mac\/architec - *VISION-3D facet\n\nand received an 'unknown host' message.\n\nmail to Paul D. Bourke (pdbourke@ccu1.aukland.ac.nz) bounces with basically\nthe same problem.\n\nWhere'd he go????\n\nRick\n\n \n\n-- \nRick Pavek                       | Never ask a droid to outdo its program.\nkuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com    |           \nSeattle, WA                      |   It wastes your time\n                                 |          and annoys the droid.  \n","1168":"Subject: Convertibles\nFrom: bouton@gertrude.cms.udel.edu (Katherine Bouton)\nReply-To: bouton@gertrude.cms.udel.edu\nOrganization: U of Delaware, College of Marine Studies \/ Lewes\nNntp-Posting-Host: gertrude.cms.udel.edu\nLines: 4\n\nI was wondering if someone could point me to somewhere I could\nfind a list (and hopefully comparison) of all the convertibles that are\nout these days. Seems like they are making a big comeback - but I'm not\nsure where to look\n","1169":"From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu\nSubject: Re: Phills vs  Pirates\nLines: 28\nNntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu\nOrganization: University of Louisville\n\n>>>$ mlb -m pit phi\n>>>           Monday,  5\/10 Pittsburg    at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) \n>>>          Tuesday,  5\/11 Pittsburg    at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) \n>>>        Wednesday,  5\/12 Pittsburg    at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) \n>>>           Friday,  6\/25 Philadelphia at Pittsburg    (5:35 pm) \n>>>         Saturday,  6\/26 Philadelphia at Pittsburg    (5:05 pm) \n>>>           Sunday,  6\/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg    (11:35 am) \n>>>           Friday,  7\/30 Pittsburg    at Philadelphia (5:35 pm) \n>>>         Saturday,  7\/31 Pittsburg    at Philadelphia (5:05 pm) \n>>>           Sunday,  8\/ 1 Pittsburg    at Philadelphia (11:35 am) \n>>>           Monday,  9\/27 Philadelphia at Pittsburg    (5:35 pm) \n>>>          Tuesday,  9\/28 Philadelphia at Pittsburg    (5:35 pm) \n>>>        Wednesday,  9\/29 Philadelphia at Pittsburg    (5:35 pm) \n>>>         Thursday,  9\/30 Philadelphia at Pittsburg    (5:35 pm) \n>> \n>> \n>> \tAre these times correct??\n>> \n>> \t\tThey seem as if they are 2 hrs ahead of the usual tiems\n>> for these two teams.\n>> \n> \n> The origin of that first message was Boise, which is on Central time.\n>  \n>                                                                    P. Tierney\n\nWhoops!  I meant Mountain Time.\n                                                                     P. Tierney\n","1170":"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)\nSubject: Re: Will CS burn or explode\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 21\n\nrcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes:\n\n>The FBI released large amounts of CS tear gas into the compound in\n>Waco.  CS tear gas is a fine power.  Is CS inflammable.  Grain dust\n>suspended in air can form an explosive mixture, will CS suspended in air\n>form an explosive mix? Could large quantities of CS have fueled the\n>rapid spread of fire in the compound?\n\n\tNo chance.  If that CS ignited at all, it would have been\nquite similar to a grain bin explosion.  Explosion, I note.  The\nentire compound would have been leveled, not merely burned.  As\nthere was no explosion, there was no CS ignition causing the fire.\n\n\tNote: at five miles a decent grain elevator explosion will\nknock you on your butt and your ears will ring for days.  I speak\nfrom experience here.\n\n< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >\n<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >\n<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >\n<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >\n","1171":"From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)\nSubject: Re: Catalog of Hard-to-Find PC Enhancements (Repost)\nOrganization: Computer Science Department,  Stanford University.\nLines: 33\n\n>andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:\n>> >In article <C5ELME.4z4@unix.portal.com> jdoll@shell.portal.com (Joe Doll) wr\n>> >>   \"The Catalog of Personal Computing Tools for Engineers and Scien-\n>> >>   tists\" lists hardware cards and application software packages for \n>> >>   PC\/XT\/AT\/PS\/2 class machines.  Focus is on engineering and scien-\n>> >>   tific applications of PCs, such as data acquisition\/control, \n>> >>   design automation, and data analysis and presentation.  \n>> >\n>> >>   If you would like a free copy, reply with your (U. S. Postal) \n>> >>   mailing address.\n>> \n>> Don't bother - it never comes.  It's a cheap trick for building a\n>> mailing list to sell if my junk mail flow is any indication.\n>> \n>> -andy sent his address months ago\n>\n>Perhaps we can get Portal to nuke this weasal.  I never received a \n>catalog either.  If that person doesn't respond to a growing flame, then \n>we can assume that we'yall look forward to lotsa junk mail.\n\nI don't want him nuked, I want him to be honest.  The junk mail has\nbeen much more interesting than the promised catalog.  If I'd known\nwhat I was going to get, I wouldn't have hesitated.  I wouldn't be\nsurprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said\n\"nope\" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results.\nSimilarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who\naren't happy with the junk they got instead.\n\nThe folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and\nso would the people reading it.\n\n-andy\n--\n","1172":"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Re: DC-X: Vehicle Nears Flight Test\nArticle-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.191011.1\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\nLines: 53\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\n\nIn article <C4zHKw.3Dn@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes:\n> In article <2736@snap> paj@uk.co.gec-mrc (Paul Johnson) writes:\n>>This bit interests me.  How much automatic control is there?  Is it\n>>purely autonomous or is there some degree of ground control?\n> \n> The \"stick-and-rudder man\" is always the onboard computer.  The computer\n> normally gets its orders from a stored program, but they can be overridden\n> from the ground.\n> \n>>How is\n>>the transition from aerodynamic flight (if thats what it is) to hover\n>>accomplished?  This is the really new part...\n> \n> It's also one of the tricky parts.  There are four different ideas, and\n> DC-X will probably end up trying all of them.  (This is from talking to\n> Mitch Burnside Clapp, who's one of the DC-X test pilots, at Making Orbit.)\n> \n> (1) Pop a drogue chute from the nose, light the engines once the thing\n> \tstabilizes base-first.  Simple and reliable.  Heavy shock loads\n> \ton an area of structure that doesn't otherwise carry major loads.\n> \tNeeds a door in the \"hot\" part of the structure, a door whose\n> \toperation is mission-critical.\n> \n> (2) Switch off pitch stability -- the DC is aerodynamically unstable at\n> \tsubsonic speeds -- wait for it to flip, and catch it at 180\n> \tdegrees, then light engines.  A bit scary.\n> \n> (3) Light the engines and use thrust vectoring to push the tail around.\n> \tProbably the preferred method in the long run.  Tricky because\n> \tof the fuel-feed plumbing:  the fuel will start off in the tops\n> \tof the tanks, then slop down to the bottoms during the flip.\n> \tKeeping the engines properly fed will be complicated.\n> \n> (4) Build up speed in a dive, then pull up hard (losing a lot of speed,\n> \tthis thing's L\/D is not that great) until it's headed up and\n> \tthe vertical velocity drops to zero, at which point it starts\n> \tto fall tail-first.  Light engines.  Also a bit scary, and you\n> \tprobably don't have enough altitude left to try again.\n> -- \n> All work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n>                     - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n\nSince the DC-X is to take off horizontal, why not land that way??\nWhy do the Martian Landing thing..  Or am I missing something.. Don't know to\nmuch about DC-X and such.. (overly obvious?).\n\nWhy not just fall to earth like the russian crafts?? Parachute in then...\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\n\nPlease enlighten me... Ignorance is easy to correct. make a mistake and\neveryone will let you know you messed up..\n","1173":"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 17\n\nmafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi) writes:\n\n>Let's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The\n>distinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people\n>whose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these\n>soldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. \n\nThat still doesn't mean we should cheer their deaths.  Policemen are also in \nthe line of fire and their job includes the possibility of getting killed.  \nShould we be happy when they die?  As I said before, the question is not\nwhether or not you agree with the policies of Israel.  You may wish for the\nIsraelis to cease occupation, but don't rejoice in death.\n\n>-marc\n\nEd.\n\n","1174":"From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)\nSubject: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)\nOrganization: Institute of Cognitive Studies, U.C. Berkeley\nLines: 51\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cogsci.berkeley.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.184432.21485@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:\n>\tFor the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is\n>anywhere from 1\/2\" to 7\/8\" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded\n>in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type\n>locking mechanism.  I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's\n>more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat\n>in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5\/8\" model).\n>\n>\tFYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.\n\nA word of warning, though:  Kryptonite also sells almost useless cable\nlocks under the Kryptonite name.\n\nWhen I obtained my second motorcycle, I migrated one of my Kryptonite \nU-locks from my bicycle to the new bike.  I then went out shopping for\na new lock for the bicycle.\n\nFor about the same money ($20) I had the choice of a Kryptonite cable lock\n(advantages: lock front and back wheels on bicycle and keep them both,\nKryptonite name) or a cheesy no-name U-lock (advantages: real steel).\nI chose the Kryptonite cable.  After less than a week, I took it back in\ndisgust and exchanged it for the cheesy no-name U-lock.\n\nFirst, the Krypto cable I bought is not made by Kryptonite, is not covered by\nthe Kryptonite guarantee, and doesn't even approach Kryptonite standards of\nquality and quality assurance.  It is just some generic made-in-Taiwan cable\nlock with the Kryptonite name on it.\n\nSecondly, the latch engagement mechanism is something of a joke.  I\ndon't know if mine was a particularly poor example, but it was often\nquite frustrating to get the latch to positively engage, and sometimes\nit would seem to engage, only to fall open when I went to unlock it.\n\nThirdly, the lock has a little plastic door on the keyway which serves\nthe sole purpose of frustrating any attempt to insert the key in the \ndark.  I didn't try it (obviously), but I have my doubts that the \nlock mechanism would stand up to an \"insert screwdriver and TORQUE\"\nattack.\n\nFourthly, the cable was not, in my opinion, of sufficient thickness to \ndeter theft (for my piece of crap bicycle, that is).  All cables suffer the\nweakness that they can be cut a few strands at a time.  If you are patient\nyou can cut cables with fingernail clippers.  Aviation snips would go \nthrough the cable in well under a minute.\n\n\n\n-- \n  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n  Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson\n                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu\n","1175":"From: norris@athena.mit.edu (Richard A Chonak)\nSubject: Re: Interfaith weddings\nReply-To: norris@mit.edu\nOrganization: l'organisation, c'est moi\nLines: 10\n\nBill Burns was looking for a description of the differnces  between the\nCatholic and Lutheran churches.\n\nI'd recommend Prof. William Whalen's book \"Separated Brethren\".  It's\nan overview of common US denominations, intended for a Catholic\naudience.\n\n-- \nRichard Aquinas Chonak, norris@mit.edu\nSeeking job change: sys-mgr: VAX, SIS, COBOL; programmer; UNIX, C, C++, X\n","1176":"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: japanese moon landing?\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1qnb9tINN7ff@rave.larc.nasa.gov> C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) writes:\n>> there is no such thing as a stable lunar orbit\n>\n>Is it right??? That is new stuff for me. So it means that  you just can \n>not put a sattellite around around the Moon for too long because its \n>orbit will be unstable??? If so, what is the reason??? Is that because \n>the combined gravitacional atraction of the Sun,Moon and Earth \n>that does not provide a stable  orbit around the Moon???\n\nAny lunar satellite needs fuel to do regular orbit corrections, and when\nits fuel runs out it will crash within months.  The orbits of the Apollo\nmotherships changed noticeably during lunar missions lasting only a few\ndays.  It is *possible* that there are stable orbits here and there --\nthe Moon's gravitational field is poorly mapped -- but we know of none.\n\nPerturbations from Sun and Earth are relatively minor issues at low\naltitudes.  The big problem is that the Moon's own gravitational field\nis quite lumpy due to the irregular distribution of mass within the Moon.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n                    - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n","1177":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\n\nmmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes:\n\n>>Well, I have typed in the OED definitions.  As you will note upon reading\n>>them, a punishment, being an inanimate object, is incapable of \"showing\n>>mercy.\"  So, you can not say that a merciless punishment is a cruel one.\n>Sorry, you must have missed the stuff in parens when you read the\n>definition (where transf. = transferred sense and fig. =\n>figurative,-ly). \"Things\" can be cruel. Samples of text from the first\n>definition include, \"Because I would not see thy cruell nailes Plucke\n>out his poore old eyes,\" and \"The puniness of man in the centre of a\n>cruel and frowning universe.\"\n\nSure nails can be cruel.  I'd imagine nails in your eyes would be\n*very* painful.  But, this does not imply that a painless death is\ncruel, which is what you are supposed to be trying to show.\n\nkeith\n","1178":"From: goudswaa@fraser.sfu.ca (Peter Goudswaard)\nSubject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE)\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 40\n\necktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:\n\n>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 \n>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better).  Vertical motion \n>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click \n>on something because my mouse jumps around.  I can be moving the mouse to \n>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly \n>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump \n>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!).  This is crazy!  I have \n>never had so much trouble with a mouse before.  Anyone have any solutions?  \n\nTry this:  flip your mouse over, and open up the cover that holds the\nmouse ball in place.  Remove the ball, and inside you should see\n(probably) 3 rollers.  If any of the rollers have a tiny layer of\ncaked-on dirt, dust, or otherwise unidentifiable scum on them, carefully\nscrape it off with a small knife (Xacto works great).  *Be Careful*\nYou do not want to gauge the rollers, just clean off the dirt.\nPut the ball back in, put the cover on, and there you are.  \n\nI clean a couple of dozen of these every month here.  Another symptom\nis that when you move the mouse, it seems to \"click\" along.  If this\ndoesn't solve your problem, at least you have a clean mouse.  I highly\nrecommend using a proper _soft_ mouse pad, and if you are a clean freak,\nplace it in your drawer every night or when you don't use it to keep\nthe dust off.\n\nPersonally I prefer track balls.  Oh, which brings me to another point:\nif your mouse or trackball tracks optically, and the sunlight is \nstreaming through the window onto your mouse\/trackball, you may notice\nthat it will stop working.  If this happens to you, close the curtains\nor blinds, or simply shade your pointing device, and see if that helps.\n\n-- \n Peter Goudswaard                  _________                     _________\n goudswaa@sfu.ca (preferred)      |         |      __\/^\\__      |         |\n pgoudswa@cln.etc.bc.ca           |         |      \\     \/      |         |\n pgoudswa@cue.bc.ca               |         |   _\/\\_\\   \/_\/\\_   |         |\n                                  |         |   >           <   |         |\n \"There's no gift like the present\"         |    >_________<    |         |\n    - Goudswaard's observation    |_________|         |         |_________|\n","1179":"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)\nSubject: Re: ACLU (was Re: Waco Shootout ...)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\njmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Mar31.140529.10843@news.cs.indiana.edu> \"Paul Hager\"  \n><hagerp@cs.indiana.edu> writes:\n>> \n>> As an old post of mine came up in a collection of posts about\n>> the ACLU's position on gun-control, I would like to note that my \n>> own position has been evolving.  But, I'm still not sure how to\n>> answer the question, \"does the 2nd allow me to have my own nuclear\n>> device?\"  \n\n>The second amendment does not prohibit it, but it can probably be argued that  \n>there is no way you can operate one without severely impacting on the safety  \n>and rights of others, and so might not be permitted on that basis.\n\nThe existence of the weapon in and of itself (and this is also\ntrue for biologics and chemical weapons, but for slightly different\nreasons) poses a threat to living critters.  Can you say \"neutron\nand other radiation flux due to radioactive decay\", boys and girls?\n\naaron\narc@cco.caltech.edu\n","1180":"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)\nSubject: Re: \"Proper gun control?\" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)\nOrganization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group\nLines: 16\n\n\/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns \/ hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) \/  3:31 pm  Apr 13, 1993 \/\n\n>Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns.  The dread \n>\"Terminator\", aka \"The Rifleman\", owned no firearms for several years \n>while posting in this group, as an example.  There are others.\n\nGood point, Kirk.\n\nHe's still around too.  He's responded by email to a couple of my posts, \nand gosh darn, he's gotten down right civil!  This happed about the time \nhe got his first firearm.  Wonder if there is a relationship here?  Turns\nout that MOST people (at least the ones who are not criminals to start\nwith) act responsibility once given the chance.\n\nRick.\n\n","1181":"From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c)\nSubject: Splitfire Plugs...  Kinda Offical...\nSummary: Supposed \"Higher power output\".\nDistribution: rec.motorcycles\nKeywords: Using Splitfire plugs for performance.\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 54\n\n\nYo, Whaz up!!!\n\nEarlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs.  One\nguy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell.  Well,\nI saw one think that someone said about \"Show me a team that used Split-\nfires....\"  Well, here's some additional insight and some theories\nabout splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.\n\nSplitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and\nincreased power for the 4x4 cages.  Well, for these guys, splitfires\nincreased performance by increasing TORQUE.  They weren't focusing\non horsepower numbers.\n\nNow how does this related to us high performance pilots?  Well, that\ndepends.  Do you pilot a high performance 2- or 4-cylinder machine?\nIn the case of 4-cylinders, splitfires would increase overall torque,\nbut 4's make more top end horsepower with its torque packed down low.\nSo for 4's, splitfires would not significantly increase power.\n\nBut what about twins?...  Many of you 4 guys laugh at some of us twins,\nbut many times we carry less weight which sometimes can make up for\nthe hp loss (see Doug Polen vs. Scott Russell, Daytona 1992).  However,\ntwins make more torque thoughout their powerbands.   So how does this\ntranslate?  Increased torque should \"theoretically\" help twins make\nmore power.  Splitfire claims that there should be not extra mods\nor anything made, just stick 'em in.\n\nNow I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with\nsomebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than\n4's.        \n\nAs far as racing teams....  Ducati team \"Fast by Ferraci\" used\nsplitfires in the 1989 season (this is when they had Jamie James\nrunning for em), but I don't know why they stopped since then.\nAlso, somebody check to see if they had them in 88.....\n\nPeace.\n\nWarren\nwcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu\n\"Have Suzuki, will travel...\"\n\nAt a local \"fix-er-up-er\" shop, the bike repairest looked at a\ndumped ZX-7.  Then he asked the guy...\n\n\"What happened...\"   \"I dumped the clutch...\"\n\"How fast...\"        \"Pretty fast...\"\n\"Insurance...\"       \"Nope.\"\n\nThe fixer smiled.....\n\n\"What do you know about bikes?\"   \"Not much.....\"\n \n","1182":"From: Danny Weitzner <djw@eff.org>\nSubject: Re-inventing Crypto Policy?  An EFF Statement\nX-Xxmessage-Id: <A7F49385AC03AC80@harding.eff.org>\nX-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:47:01 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: harding.eff.org\nOrganization: Electronic Frontier Foundation\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17\nLines: 122\n\n\n\n\n\nApril 16, 1993\n\nINITIAL EFF ANALYSIS OF CLINTON PRIVACY AND SECURITY PROPOSAL\n\nThe Clinton Administration today made a major announcement on\ncryptography policy which will effect the privacy and security of\nmillions of Americans.  The first part of the plan is to begin a\ncomprehensive inquiry into major communications privacy issues such as\nexport controls which have effectively denied most people easy access to\nrobust encryption, and law enforcement issues posed by new technology.\n\nHowever, EFF is very concerned that the Administration has already\nreached a conclusion on one critical part of the inquiry, before any\npublic comment or discussion has been allowed.  Apparently, the\nAdministration is going to use its leverage to get all telephone\nequipment vendors to adopt a voice encryption standard developed by the\nNational Security Agency.  The so-called \"Clipper Chip\" is an 80-bit,\nsplit key escrowed encryption scheme which will be built into chips\nmanufactured by a military contractor.  Two separate escrow agents would\nstore users' keys, and be required to turn them over law enforcement upon\npresentation of a valid warrant.  The encryption scheme used is to be\nclassified, but the chips will be available to any manufacturer for\nincorporation into its communications products.\n\n     This proposal raises a number of serious concerns .\n\nFirst, the Administration has adopted a solution before conducting an\ninquiry.  The NSA-developed Clipper Chip may not be the most secure\nproduct. Other vendors or developers may have better schemes.\nFurthermore, we should not rely on the government as the sole source for\nthe Clipper or any other chips.  Rather, independent chip manufacturers\nshould be able to produce chipsets based on open standards.\n\nSecond, an algorithm cannot be trusted unless it can be tested. Yet, the\nAdministration proposes to keep the chip algorithm classified.  EFF\nbelieves that any standard adopted ought to be public and open.  The\npublic will only have confidence in the security of a standard that is\nopen to independent, expert scrutiny.  \n\nThird, while the use of the use of a split-key, dual escrowed system may\nprove to be a reasonable balance between privacy and law enforcement\nneeds, the details of this scheme must be explored publicly before it is\nadopted.  What will give people confidence in the safety of their keys? \nDoes disclosure of keys to a third party waive an individual's Fifth\nAmendment rights in subsequent criminal inquiries?  These are but a few\nof the many questions the Administrations proposal raised but fails to\nanswer.\n\nIn sum, the Administration has shown great sensitivity to the importance\nof these issues by planning a comprehensive inquiry into digital privacy\nand security.  However, the \"Clipper Chip\" solution ought to be\nconsidered as part of the inquiry, and not be adopted before the\ndiscussion even begins.\n\nDETAILS OF THE PROPOSAL:\n\nESCROW\n\nThe 80-bit key will be divided between two escrow agents, each of whom\nhold 40-bits of each key.  The manufacturer of the communications device\nwould be required to register all keys with the two independent escrow\nagents.  A key is tied to the device, however, not the person using it.\n\nUpon presentation of a valid court order, the two escrow agents would\nhave to turn the key parts over to law enforcement agents.  According to\nthe Presidential Directive just issued, the Attorney General will be\nasked to identify appropriate escrow agents.  Some in the Administration\nhave suggested that one non-law enforcement federal agency (perhaps the\nFederal Reserve), and one non-governmental organization could be chosen,\nbut there is no agreement on the identity of the agents yet.\n\nCLASSIFIED ALGORITHM AND THE POSSIBILITY OF BACK DOORS\n\nThe Administration claims that there are no back doors -- means by which\nthe government or others could break the code without securing keys from\nthe escrow agents -- and that the President will be told there are no\nback doors to this classified algorithm.  In order to prove this,\nAdministration sources are interested in arranging for an all-star crypto\ncracker team to come in, under a security arrangement, and examine the\nalgorithm for trap doors.  The results of the investigation would then be\nmade public.\n\nThe Clipper Chipset was designed and is being produced and a sole-source,\nsecret contract between the National Security Agency and two private\nfirms:  VLSI and Mycotronx.  NSA work on this plan has been underway for\nabout four years.  The manufacturing contract was let 14 months ago.\n\nGOVERNMENT AS MARKET DRIVER\n\nIn order to get a market moving, and to show that the government believes\nin the security of this system, the feds will be the first big customers\nfor this product.  Users will include the FBI, Secret Service, VP Al\nGore, and maybe even the President.  At today's Commerce Department press\nbriefing, a number of people asked this question, though:  why would any\nprivate organization or individual adopt a classified standard that had\nno independent guaranty of security or freedom from trap doors?\n\nCOMPREHENSIVE POLICY INQUIRY\n\nThe Administration has also announced that it is about to commence an\ninquiry into all policy issues related to privacy protection, encryption,\nand law enforcement.  The items to be considered include:  export\ncontrols on encryption technology and the FBI's Digital Telephony\nProposal.  It appears that the this inquiry will be conducted by the\nNational Security Council.  Unfortunately, however, the Presidential\nDirective describing the inquiry is classified.  Some public involvement\nin the process has been promised, but they terms have yet to be specified.\n\nFROM MORE INFORMATION CONTACT:\n\nJerry Berman, Executive Director (jberman@eff.org)\nDaniel J. Weitzner, Senior Staff Counsel (djw@eff.org)\n\nFull text of the Press releases and Fact Sheets issued by the\nAdministration will be available on EFF's ftp site.\n\nDanny Weitzner                      Senior Staff Counsel, EFF\n                                    +1 202 544 3077\n","1183":"From: jingyao@rainier.eng.ohio-state.edu (Jinyao Liu)\nSubject: Home base and Car CB units, Motorola Beeper for sale\nOrganization: The Ohio State University Dept of Electrical Engineering\nDistribution: na\nLines: 31\n\n \n(1)           Uniden 40 Channel CB Transceiver,  Model Pro 710e.  \n    \n   This is a home base unit, with connectors for external speaker and \n   PA speaker. 3.5\"x3\" internal speaker, chanel 9\/10 button, NB\/ANL\/PA  \n   selector buttons, Volume, Squelch, RF Gain, Tone and Mic Gain controls,\n   Comes with Mic.  Side mount for mic.  measures 14\"x8\"x3\". Plugs into  \n   110v.  Black\n   \n   Like new. (actually brand new)      Asking $105, shipping included\n    \n \n(2)         Midland International Model 77-101C, 40 chanel, car unit\n \n    This one is well used. black w\/silver front. comes with mic, power \n    cord for 12v cigarette lighter socket,  gutter mount antena is also\n    included (easy to install and remove).    \n                                           Asking $45, shipping included\n                                            \n \n    Or both for $130, including shipping.  The Uniden alone is about \n    $150 in Kmart.  These two will work nicely together, have one in \n    the garage and one in your truck. \n \n \n(3)  Motorola Beeper.  I can't quite figure out what is the model number\n     Cost is $133 to buy from USAMobile.  Don't use this no more, $65\n \n \n    \n \n","1184":"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Kyle K. on Rodney King\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:\n>       How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on\n>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that\n                                                               ^^^^^\n>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit?  \n\nI'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important.\n-- \nted frank                 | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |         I'm sorry, the card says \"Moops.\"\nthe u of c law school     | \nstandard disclaimers      | \n","1185":"From: msprague@superior.mcwbst311b (Mike Sprague)\nSubject: Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings\nOrganization: Xerox\nLines: 20\n\n> My solution was to switch the interrupt to IRQ 5, which is\n> unreserved in contemporary computers (using IRQ 5 for the\n> drives went out with the XT architechture ... )\n\nNot completly true.  For AT class and later machines, IRQ5 is\nreserved for LPT2.  Since it's rare to have a second parallel\nport in a PC, it's usually a good safe choice if you need an\ninterrupt.\n\nOn the other hand, we just ran into a problem with that here\nat work on a Gateway computer (4DX-33V).  It has a Modem on COM1,\na Mouse on COM2, and the other serial port was set to COM3 (which\nnormally uses the same interrupt as COM1).  We had a real fight\nwith a board when trying to use IRQ5, and discoverd the problem\nwas that Gateway had set it up such that COM3 used IRQ5.  As soon\nas we disabled COM3, our problems went away.  Grumble ... after\nseveral days of trying to figure out why the interrupt didn't work.\n\n\t\t\t~ Mike  (sprague.wbst311@xerox.com)\n\n","1186":"Subject: Joe Venuti Record Wanted\nFrom: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu (Richard J. Brooks)\nOrganization: Calif State Univ\/Electronic Information Services\nLines: 7\n\n\nIf anyone has Joe Venuti's record \"Fiddle on Fire\" and would like to sell it\nplease contact me.\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nRichard J. Brooks (El Cerrito, CA)      Internet: rbrooks@eis.calstate.edu\nCompuServe: 71121,3406                  Internet: 71121.3406@compuserve.com\n","1187":"From: chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV)\nSubject: Re: CNN for sale\nOrganization: University of Maryland, Department of Electrical Engineering\nLines: 11\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bree.eng.umd.edu\n\nIn article <C5soMx.HMD@boi.hp.com> kde@boi.hp.com (Keith Emmen) writes:\n>If anyone is keeping a list of the potential contributors, \n>you can put me down for $1000.00 under the conditions above\n\nSeems to me folks, that if you are so interested in acquiring CNN, just\nbuy your $1000 worth of stock today.  It's being traded everyday.  After you\nown your piece, we can work on the proxy votes later.  It's probably even a\ngood investment.\n\nChuck Harris - WA3UQV\nchuck@eng.umd.edu\n","1188":"From: mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (michael kagalenko)\nSubject: Some thoughts on Clipper proposal \nOrganization: Division of Academic Computing, Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115 USA\nLines: 25\n\n\nI envision incorporation of new standart into\nvarious communication systems, thus making it prevalent on the market & \ntherefore cheap. The way to do that may be detaching crypto chip from \ncommunication equipment. It seems logical to provide Clipper chip \nto the end-user not as a part of phone, fax, modem & like but in the\nform of smart-card compatible with various telecomm. products. Banks \nwill encourage extensive use of new cards to make transactions by phone.\nNatural step will be to cross-reference this card to the person in the \ngovernment databases - or else this new version of \"wiretap proposal\" \nmake no sence at all; one wish to eavesdrop (spell.) on the particular \nperson, not on the particular modem or phone.\n \nAs a side note, I disagree with one poster, who said he won't care about\nability of the government to eavesdrop, since they can do that now \nanyway. Clipper will take away electronic survelliance from citizens, \nmaking it monopoly of the government. May be, we can find examples when\ninterceptions made by (unauthorised) people uncovered crimes of \nstate officials ?\n\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n      For PGP2.1 public key finger mkagalen@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1189":"From: mwchiu@tigr.org (Man-Wai Chiu)\nSubject: Xm1.2.1 and OW server\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 43\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\n\nWe have a program written with X11R5 and Motif 1.2.1.  It runs fine on the Sun\nX11R5 server and MacX.  When that program is run under the Sparc 2 and the\nOW server, the program crashed itself along with the server.  It crashed before\nthe first window had showed up.\n\nI got the following error from X.\nXIO:  fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) on X server \"perot:0.0\"\n      after 62 requests (59 known processed) with 0 events remaining.\n      The connection was probably broken by a server shutdown or KillClient.\n\nI have run the program with xmon and below is the last twenty lines or so from\nxmon before both the program and server crashed.\n\n           ............REQUEST: GetProperty\n                        delete: False\n                        window: WIN 00900001\n                      property: ATM 00000074\n                          type: ATM 00000074\n                   long-offset: 00000000\n                                        ..............REPLY: GetProperty\n                                                     format: 00\n                                                       type: <NONE>\n                                                bytes-after: 00000000\n           ............REQUEST: GetInputFocus\n                                        ..............REPLY: GetInputFocus\n                                                  revert-to: Parent\n                                                      focus: WIN 0040000d\n           ............REQUEST: ChangeProperty\n                          mode: Replace\n                        window: WIN 00900001\n                      property: ATM 00000074\n                          type: ATM 00000074\n                        format: 08\n                          data: 42 00 00 01 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 75 00 00 00 00 \n           ............REQUEST: GetInputFocus\n\nPlease email to me if you have any idea of the above problem.\nThanks in advance.\n\n--\nMW Chiu\nmwchiu@tigr.org\n","1190":"From: bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Brian C. White)\nSubject: Re: SCSI on dos\nKeywords: SCSI, DOS, streamer\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.132748.18044@julian.uwo.ca> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:\n>It was the Seagate 296N and the ST-02 controller.  I found that the\n>controller couldn't keep up with a 1:1 interleave, so the best I could do\n>with the drive was a 2:1 interleave and a data transfer of about 450 k\/sec.\n\nAccording to what others have told me, the ST-296N is difficult to run at\nthe 1:1 interleave even though Seagate claims it.  I have a non-pc system\n(don't ask what it is, you probably haven't heard of it) that is built\naround SCSI and it can't do 1:1, either.\n\n                                        Brian\n                           ( bcwhite@sunee.uwaterloo.ca )\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n    In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they're not.\n","1191":"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton\/Gore '92)\nSubject: CLINTON: Press Availability With Russian Press 4.4.93\nOrganization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,\n    675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA  02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296\nLines: 220\nNNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu\n\n\n\n\n\n                         THE WHITE HOUSE\n\n                  Office of the Press Secretary\n                  (Vancouver, British Columbia)\n_________________________________________________________________\nFor Immediate Release                               April 4, 1993\n\n\t     \n                PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE PRESIDENT\n                        WITH RUSSIAN PRESS\n\t     \n                           Canada Place\n                   Vancouver, British Columbia\n\n\n\n2:46 P.M. PDT\n\n\t     \t  \n\t     Q\t  I had two questions for both Presidents, so you \ncould probably answer for Boris, too.  (Laughter.)\n\t     \n\t     THE PRESIDENT:  I'll give you my answer, then I'll \ngive you Yeltsin's answer.  (Laughter.)\n\t     \n\t     Q\t  The first is that this is the meeting of the \nPresidents, so the money that's being promised is government \nmoney, and naturally it's going to be distributed through the \ngovernment.  But you've indicated that three-quarters are going \nto be going to businesses.  So the question is how the Russian \nbusinesses themselves are going to be consulted, if ever?  What \nare the priorities, because there are several association of \nRussian businessmen existing already, so will they be invited to \nparticipate in setting up priorities for investment?  \n\t     \n\t     This is the first.  And second, to you.  We know \nthat polls, public polls in America do not show that Americans \nare very enthusiastic about giving this aid.  Like Newsweek polls \nsay that about 75 percent don't approve it, and New York Times \npublished that 52 percent support if it just prevents civil war; \n42 percent if it fosters democratic reform; and only 29 percent \nif it just personally supports Yeltsin.  How are you going to \nsort of handle this problem that Americans themselves are not \nvery enthusiastic?  Thank you.\n\t     \n\t     Q\t  I have a question, I'm sorry -- is there going \nto be a translation of everything into Russian?  No, just the \nanswers.  Just the answers.  Okay.\n\t     \n\t     THE PRESIDENT:  The answer to the first question is, \nit depends on what kind of aid we're discussing.  For example, \nthe funds that will be set up for financing new businesses will \nobviously go to those businesses who apply and who seem to be \ngood risks and make the application.  The privatization fund will \nbe used to support the privatization of existing public \nenterprises.  Then there are some other general funds in the \nDemocracy Corps and other things which people in Russia will have \nsome influence over the distribution of.  \n\t     \n\t     With regard to your second question, let me say that \nI would think that there would be people in both countries who \nwould not feel too warmly toward simply the American government \ngiving money to the Russian government.  There's opposition to \nthat in Russia.  And in our country, throughout our whole history \nthere has been an opposition to foreign aid of all kinds.  That \nis, this has nothing to do with Russia.  If you look at the whole \nhistory of America, any kind of aid program has always been \nunpopular.  \n\t     \n\t     What I have tried to tell the American people is, is \nthis is not an aid program, this is an investment program; that \nthis is an investment in our future.  We spent $4 trillion --\ntrillion -- on armaments on soldiers and other investments \nbecause of the Cold War.  Now, with a democratic government in \nRussia, with the newly independent states, the remainder of them \nworking on a democracy and struggling to get their economies \ngoing, it seems to me very much in our interest to make it \npossible to do whatever we can for democracy to survive, for the \neconomy of Russia to grow because of the potential for trade and \ninvestment there, and for us to continue the effort to reduce \nnuclear weapons and other elements of hostility on both sides, on \nour side and on the Russian side.  \n\t     \n\t     So I don't see this as an aid program; this is an \ninvestment for the United States.  This is very much in the \ninterest of the United States.  The things I announced today, the \nsecond stage of the program, which I hope to put together next \nweek, in my view are things that are good for my country and for \nthe taxpayers and workers of my country.  \n\t     \n\t     Russia is a very great nation that needs some \npartnership now, some common endeavor with other people who share \nher goals.  But it would be a great mistake for anyone to view \nthis as some sort of just a charity or an aid issue.  That's not \nwhat it is, it's an investment for America and it's a wonderful \ninvestment.  \n\t     \n\t     Like all investments, there is some risk.  But \nthere's far less risk with a far greater potential of return than \nthe $4 trillion we spent looking at each other across the barrier \nof the Cold War.\n\t     \n\t     Q\t  Mr. President, first of all thank you very \nmuch, indeed, for coming here and talking to us.  In the memory \nof the living correspondents, this is the first time an American \nPresident is doing this to the Russian press corps, so it's kind \nof a very measured breakthrough.  \n\t     \n\t     I have two questions.  One, in your introductory \nremarks of the other press conference, you mentioned in brief \nthat you discussed the START II and START I issues.  Could you \ntell us:  Did you reach an agreement with President Yeltsin as to \nwhat might be done in order to have Ukraine join the ratification \nof START I and the NPT regime?  And my second question is, how \nconfident you are that the United States Congress would be eager \nto support you in lifting Jackson-Vanik and other restrictions \ninherited from the Cold War?  \n\t     \n\t     PRESIDENT CLINTON:  First, we discussed the issue of \nUkraine with regard to START I and NPT, and generally, with \nregard to the need to proceed to have the other independent \nstates all be non-nuclear; but also to have the United States \ndevelop strong relationships with them.  We know that one thing \nthat we could do that would increase, I think, the willingness of \nthe Ukraine to support this direction is to successfully conclude \nour own negotiations on highly enriched uranium, because that \nwould provide not only an important economic opportunity for \nRussia, but also for Ukraine, and it would show some reaching out \non our part.  But we agreed that basically the people who signed \noff on the Lisbon Protocol have got to honor what they did, and \nwe agreed to continue to press that.\n\t     \n\t     I, myself, have spent a good deal of time trying to \nreassure Ukraine's leaders, specifically the President and the \nForeign Minister, that I want strong ties with Ukraine, that the \nUnited States very much wants a good relationship with Ukraine, \nbut that, in order to do what we need to do together to \nstrengthen the economy of Ukraine and to have the United States \nbe fully supportive, the commitment to ratify START I and to join \nthe NPT regime is critical.\n\t     \n\t     What was the second question?  \n\t     \n\t     THE PRESIDENT:  With regard to Jackson-Vanik and \nCOCOM, I would make two points:  First, I have agreed with the \nRepublican and Democratic leaders in the Congress that we will, \nas soon as I return, have a list of all the legislative and other \nrestrictions, some of them are regulatory in nature, imposed on \nrelations between the United States and Russia, that are legacies \nof the Cold War.  And we will see whether they're -- how many of \nthem we could agree to do away with right now, at least among the \nleadership of the Congress.\n\t     \n\t     With regard to Jackson-Vanik, I think there will be \nan openness to change the law if the Congress is convinced there \nare, in fact, no more refusniks, no more people who wish to \nemigrate who are not being allowed to.  If the fact is that there \nis no one there who would have been -- who the law was designed \nto affect, then I think that the desire to keep the law will be \nmuch less.\n\t     \n\t     With regard to COCOM, my guess is, and it's nothing \nmore than a guess, that the leadership of Congress and indeed my \nown advisers, might prefer to see some sort of phased movement \nout of the COCOM regime.  But I think they would be willing to \nbegin it in the fairly near future.\n\t     \n\t     Q\t  Mr. Clinton, when I read your speech in \nAnnapolis, I got the impression that you have a completely \ndifferent personal -- and I stress that -- personal, not \npolitical approach towards Russia, compared to the approach of \nMr. Bush.  Could you formulate in a few words, what is the \ndifference between you as a personality and your approach -- the \ndifference between your approach to Russia and the approach of \nMr. Bush?  And who made you -- why did you cite Akhmatova in the \nlast part of your speech?\n\t     \n\t     THE PRESIDENT:  Let me say, first, I do not wish to \ncompare myself with President Bush or anyone else.  I can't say \nwhat was in his heart about Russia.  I can say that since I was a \nboy, I have been personally fascinated with the history, the \nmusic and the culture, and the literature of Russia.  I have been \nthrilled by Russian music since I was a serious student of music \nfor more than 30 years now.  I have read major Russian novelists \nand many of your poets and followed your ballet and tried to know \nas much as I could about your history.  \n\t     \n\t     And I went to the Soviet Union -- but it was then \nthe Soviet Union -- you may know it was a big issue in the last \npresidential campaign that I spent the first week of 1970 alone \nin Moscow and did not return again until three days before Mr. \nYeltsin was elected President.  But all that time I was away, I \nwas following events there very closely and hoping for the day \nwhen we could be genuine partners.  So I have always had a \npersonal feeling about Russia.  \n\t     \n\t     I remember, for example -- a lot of you know I like \nmusic very much.  One of the most moving experiences for me as a \nmusician was when Leonard Bernstein took the New York \nPhilharmonic to Moscow and played Shostakovich's Fifth Symphony \nto the Russians.  And he played the last movement more rapidly \nthan anyone had ever played it before because it was technically \nso difficult.  That is something I followed very closely when it \noccurred.  \n\t     \n\t     These are things that have always had a big impact \non my life.  And I had just always hoped that someday, if I ever \nhad the chance to, I could play a role in seeing our two \ncountries become closer partners.  (Applause.)\n\t     \n\t     THE PRESS:  Thank you.\n\n                               END3:06 P.M. PDT\n\n\n\n","1192":"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)\nSubject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton\nOrganization: DSI\/USCRPAC\nLines: 14\n\n\nHere's a simple way to convert the Clipper proposal to an unexceptionable\none: Make it voluntary.\n\nThat is--you get high quality secure NSA classified technology if you agree\nto escrow your key. Otherwise you are on your own.\n\nDavid\n\n-- \nDavid Sternlight         Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n                         our information, errors and omissions excepted.  \n\n\n","1193":"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: sgi\nLines: 31\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\n\nIn article <115565@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n|> In article <1qi3l5$jkj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n|> \n|> >I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which\n|> >ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim\n|> >community in the Uk and elsewhere.\n|> \n|> >jon.\n|> \n|> Grow up, childish propagandist.\n\nGregg, I'm really sorry if having it pointed out that in practice\nthings aren't quite the wonderful utopia you folks seem to claim\nthem to be upsets you, but exactly who is being childish here is \nopen to question.\n\nBBCI was an example of an Islamically owned and operated bank -\nwhat will someone bet me they weren't \"real\" Islamic owners and\noperators? - and yet it actually turned out to be a long-running\nand quite ruthless operation to steal money from small and often\nquite naive depositors.\n\nAnd why did these naive depositors put their life savings into\nBCCI rather than the nasty interest-motivated western bank down\nthe street?   Could it be that they believed an Islamically owned \nand operated bank couldn't possibly cheat them? \n\nSo please don't try to con us into thinking that it will all \nwork out right next time.\n\njon.\n","1194":"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM\nLines: 49\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu\n\nDXB132@psuvm.psu.edu writes:\n>SCSI-I ranges from 0-5MB\/s.\n>SCSI-II ranges from 0-40MB\/s.\n>IDE ranges from 0-8.3MB\/s.                                       \n>ESDI is always 1.25MB\/s (although there are some non-standard versions)\nThe above does not tell the proper story of SCSI:\nSCSI-I: 8-bit asynchronous {~1.5MB\/s ave}, synchronous {5MB\/s max} transfer \nbase.\nSCSI-1{faster} this requires a SCSI-2 controller chip and provides\n SCSI-2 {8-bit to 16-bit} speeds with SCSI-1 controlers.\nSCSI-2: 4-6MB\/s with 10MB\/s burst{8-bit}, 8-12MB\/s with 20MB\/s burst {16-bit}, \nand 15-20MB\/s with 40MB\/s burst{32-bit\/wide and fast}.  16-bit SCSI can be\nwide or fast, it depends on how the port is designed{The Quadras will support\nfast SCSI but not wide when the OS SCSI manager is rewritten since the\nQuardas use a SCSI-1 {non-wide} port}.\n\nThe article in PC Mag 4\/27\/93:29 was talking about SCSI-1 {SCSI-2 uses\nTEN (10) devices in it native mode, outside its native mode it behaves a\nlot like SCSI-1 (7 devices, slower through put}\n\nFrom your own figures SCSI-1 is indeed twice ESDI as the article pointed out\nas for \"20% faster then IDE\" that seems to be 8-bit SCSI-1 using a SCSI-2 \ncontoler chip {The Mac Quadra uses a SCSI-2 controler chip for its SCSI-1\nand gets 6MB\/s through put for asynchronous {8-bit} SCSI-1, far in excess of a\nnormal SYNCHRONOUS SCSI-1 output} 120% of 8.3 is 9.96 which is near\nthe burst of a SCSI-1 machine with a SCSI-2 controller chip.\n\nThe PC world seems to have SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 mixed up.  Fact is SCSI-2 \ncontroler chips allow near SCSI-2 speeds through a SCSI-1 device\n{As shown in the Mac Quadra} which skews some of the data of SCSI-1 vs\nIDE or ESDI test. I agree that the article COULD have stated that the \"20%\nfaster then IDE\" came off a SCSI-1 device with a SCSI-2 chip.  Maybe it\nwas there and the EDITOR killed it because the article was dealing with\nSCSI-1 NOT SCSI-2 and he did not understand the effect of a SCSI-1 device\nwith a SCSI-2 controller chip.\nSCSI-1 chips are limited to 5\/MB max.  SCSI-1 devices with SCSI-2 chips\n{becoming common} produce up to 10Mb\/s in 8-bit mode and 20MB\/s in 16-bit\nmode {the fast version, SCSI-1 ports cannot use wide SCSI}.  Of cource\nthe prime piece of wierdness is that SCSI-1 devices HAVE SCSI-2 chips\n{or more accurately the machine does}. This allows the best of BOTH\nworlds: high SCSI-2 speeds and cheeper SCSI-1 costs {FULL SCSI-2 hardware\n(port, electronic controller, etc) is VERY expensive.  It ALSO creates\na logistic NIGHTMARE as to how fast SCSI-1 goes.\n\nWhen one knows the FACTS behind the numbers then one realizes that the\narticle knows what it is talking about {even if it does not tell HOW the\nfigures came about} while  DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu is throwing out\nranges that don't tell SQUAT {Since he IGNORES SCSI-1 devices with\nSCSI-2 chips his ranges tell even LESS then intended.} }\n","1195":"Subject: good book\nFrom: RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Philosophy Dept., Wesleyan University\nNntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.20Lines: 48\nLines: 48\n\nHaving been gone for 10 days, I'm way behind on my News reading, so many\npardons if I am repeating something that has been said already.\n\nI read a good book while I was away, THE ANTIBIOTIC PARADOX: HOW MIRACLE DRUGS\nARE DESTROYING THE MIRACLE, Stuart B. Levy, M.D., 1992, Plenum Press,\nISBN:0-306-44331-7.\n\nIt is about drug resistant microorganisms & the history of antibiotics.  It\nis interesting & written at a level which I think many sci.med readers would\nappreciate -- which is:  it assumes an intelligent reader who is capable of\nunderstanding scientific concepts, but who may not yet have been exposed to\nthis particular information. I.e., it assumes you are smart enough to\nunderstand it, but it does not assume that you already have a degree in\nmicrobiology or medicine. Table of contents:\n\nChapter 1\n\tFrom Tragedy the Antibiotic Age is Born\nChapter 2\n\tThe Disease and the Cure:  The Microscopic World of Bacteria and\n\tAntibiotics\nChapter 3\n\tReliance on Medicine and Self-Medication: The Seeds of Antibiotic\n\tMisuse\nChapter 4\n\tAntibiotic Resistance:  Microbial Adaptation and Evolution\nChapter 5\n\tThe Antibiotic Myth\nChapter 6\n\tAntibiotics, Animals and the Resistance Gene Pool\nChapter 7\n\tFurther Ecological Considerations:  Antibiotic Use in Agriculture,\n\tAquaculture, Pets, and Minor Animal Species\nChapter 8\n\tFuture Prospects:  New Advances Against Potential Disaster\nChapter 9\n\tThe Individual and Antibiotic Resistance\nChapter 10\n\tAntibiotic Resistance: A Societal Issue at Local, National, and\n\tInternational Levels.\n\nIncludes bibliography and index.\n\nI personally found that it made very good Airplane-Reading.\n-rg\n\n------------------------\nRuth Ginzberg <rginzberg@eagle.wesleyan.edu>\nPhilosophy Department;Wesleyan University;USA\n","1196":"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)\nSubject: Re: Bruins-Pens: the Ulf-Neeley fight\nLines: 9\nNntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com\nOrganization: Cray Research Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nOh, excuse me for wasting the bandwidth, but I was referring to \nthe original incident, not the recent skirmish which occurred\nthis past month. \n\n--\n_____________________________________________________________________________\nTom Huot        \t\t\t       \nhuot@cray.com \n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n","1197":"From: seth@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (peter.r.clark..jr)\nSubject: FLYERS notes 4\/17\nOrganization: AT&T\nKeywords: FLYERS\/Whalers summary\nLines: 200\n\n\n\nThe FLYERS closed out the season last night with their 8th straight victory,\na 5-4 OT winner over the Hartford Whalers. The OT game winner came from Dimitri\nYushkevich, just his 5th of the season and his first game winner. The FLYERS\nnever led up until that point in the game. For the Whalers, the loss marked an\nNHL record 9th OT loss this season.\n\nRoster move:\n\nGord Hynes was called to to play in place of Ryan McGill\n\nInjuries:\n\nRyan McGill injured his hand in a fight 4\/15 and was scratched.\n\nLines:\n\nEklund-Lindros-Recchi\nBeranek-Brind'Amour-Dineen\nLomakin-Butsayev-Conroy\nFaust-Acton-Brown\n\nGalley-Bowen\nYushkevich-Hawgood\nCarkner-Hynes\n\nDominic Roussel\n\nGame Summary:\n\nI didn't get TV coverage of the game, and since it was stormy in these parts\nI didn't have the best radio coverage either. Here's the box score followed by\na few things I did pick up:\n\nFirst Period:\n\tHartford, Nylander 10, 8:51\n\tPhiladelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour), 19:59.8 (pp)\nPenalties - Verbeek, Har (holding), :55; Carkner, Phi (roughing), 13:53; Houda,\nHar (interference) 18:43\n\nSecond Period:\n\tHartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron), 2:00\n\tPhiladelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi), 7:09\n\tHartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson), 9:38\nPenalties - Galley, Phi, major-game misconduct (spearing) :58; Verbeek, Har\nmajor-game misconduct (spearing), :58; Brown, Phi (tripping), 3:22; Zalapski,\nHar (tripping), 15:51; Brind'Amour, Phi (slashing), 19:50\n\nThird Period:\n\tHartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels), 1:24 (pp)\n\tPhiladelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich), 3:11\n\tPhiladelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel), 3:38\nPenalties - Houda, Har (tripping), 4:20; Hawgood, Phi (holding), 5:30\n\nOvertime:\n\tPhiladelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust), 1:15.\nPenalties - None\n\nPower Play:\n\tPhiladelphia 1 of 4, Hartford 1 of 4\n\nGoalies:\n\tPhiladelphia, Roussel 14-11-5 (30 shots - 26 saves)\n\tHartford, Lenarduzzi, 1-1-1 (38 - 33)\n\nOn the first Hartford goal, Gord Hynes misplayed the puck at the FLYERS blue\nline and Nylander stripped him and took off.\n\nThe Recchi goal was a 2 on 1 with Lindros.\n\nThe Bowen goal was just a puck he threw at the net, got a good carom and it\nended up behind the goalie.\n\nOn the second Nylander goal he got three whacks at the puck before it went in.\nThis is the most frustrating part of the FLYERS defense. Take the body, and if\nthey get one shot and beat you fine. Don't give them another chance. Carkner,\nGalley and McGill are all terrible about this, I'll bet money at least one of\nthem was the closest FLYER to the play.\n\nThat's all I have, my radio got bad after that and I was lucky to know who it\nwas that scored, much less how.\n\nFrom what I heard, Roussel had a very strong game. After the game, Gene Hart\nasked Bobby Taylor to pick the three stars of the season rather than of the\ngame. It was Garry Galley #3 for his career high point total (I'm surprised\nthat a former goalie wouldn't look closer at his defensive play), Tommy \nSoderstrom #2 for his team record tying 5 shutouts in only about 1\/2 a season\nand, Mark Recchi #1 for his all time high team single season scoring mark.\nBut here's the odd part. He couldn't decide between Lindros and Recchi for\nnumber 1. If he picks Recchi as #1 after he had a hard time choosing between\nhim and Lindros, doesn't that make Lindros #2????\n\nWhat? You wanna know my three stars of the season? Well, since you asked...\n\n#1 Eric Lindros. Eric dominates a game simply by stepping out onto the ice.\nThe difference between the team's record with him and without him is no\naccident. I believe that the team could have been almost as successful without\nRecchi. There is no question that this team is significantly better with Eric\nLindros on it, and I think that he will deservedly wear the 'C' on his jersey\nnext season.\n\n#2 Tommy Soderstrom. 5 shutouts was second in the league to only Ed Belfour,\nand Tommy didn't have a Chris Chelios (booo) in front of him. He also didn't\nplay a complete season due to heart problems (sentimental edge here, my family\nhas a history of heart problems). There's no question in my mind that Tommy\nSoderstrom is this teams goalie of the future, and if Roussel complains again\nabout being number 2 look for him to be traded within 2 years.\n\n#3 Mark Recchi. Again, you can't argue with an all-time team high single season\nscoring mark. There are an awful lot of teams that didn't have a single player\nget as many points. Plus, Mark is the only FLYER to play the entire season.\nNot a tough choice.\n\nHonorable mentions: Rod Brind'Amour topped his single season high point total\nwhich he set last year. The difference was that he wasn't on the top line\nthis year and didn't get as much playing time. Then again, he didn't get the\ndefensive attention that he got last year from the other team either.\n\nDimtri Yushkevich was the teams most consistent defenseman. Yes, he made rookie\nmistakes, but he was usually fast enough to make up for them. I have a feeling\nthat with his shot he'll score a few more points next year without giving up\nanything in his own zone, and I suspect that he'll be the teams top defenseman\nin years to come.\n\nGarry Galley was the team's point leader from defensemen. Again, there are some\nthings you just can't argue with. And he battled with chronic fatigue syndrome,\nhe certainly deserves kudos for only missing one game, and that was against his\nwishes under doctors orders. But his defensive play often negates his offensive\ncontribution. A little more caution, and a little bit smarter in his own end\nwill make him a much more important part of the team next year.\n\nBrent Fedyk was the leagues biggest improvement over last years point total.\nBut consistency became a problem for him.\n\nA couple misc notes mostly for mailing list members:\n\nTom Misnik, a member of the mailing list, would like to exchange E-mail\naddresses with any list members who want to keep in touch over the summer.\nIf you're interested, you can send him mail at:\n\natt!ACR.ORG!TMISNIK\n\nThe FLYERS end the season 1 game below .500 in 5th place, their best winning\npercentage since going .500 in 1988-89. 14-20-3 within the division (4th in\nPatrick), 23-14-5 at home. They finished 17th overall, will draft 10th in\nnext years entry draft (Quebec had the 1st rounder, though). They scored as\nmany goals as they allowed, 319.\n\nThe 8 straight wins is the most since they won 13 in a row in 1985.\n\nI will be sending out final stats as soon as I get the issue of the Hockey\nNews that contains them, since there are no more games for me to go to I have\nno other way of getting them.\n\nI hope you've all enjoyed this years hockey season as much as I have. Knowing\nthe future that we have coming to us made missing the playoffs one more time\nalmost bearable.\n\nFLYERS team record watch:\n\nEric Lindros:\n\n41 goals, 34 assists, 75 points\n\n(rookie records)\nclub record goals:\t\t\tclub record points:\nEric Lindros\t40 1992-93\t\tDave Poulin\t76 1983-84\nBrian Propp\t34 1979-80\t\tBrian Propp\t75 1979-80\nRon Flockhart\t33 1981-82\t\tEric Lindros\t75 1992-93\nDave Poulin\t31 1983-84\t\tRon Flockhart\t72 1981-82\nBill Barber\t30 1972-73\t\tPelle Eklund\t66 1985-86\n\nMark Recchi:\n\n53 goals, 70 assists, 123 points.\n\nclub record goals:\t\t\tclub record points:\nReggie Leach\t61 1975-76\t\tMark Recchi\t123 1992-93*\nTim Kerr\t58 1985-86,86-87\tBobby Clarke\t119 1975-76\nTim Kerr\t54 1983-84,84-85\tBobby Clarke\t116 1974-75\nMark Recchi\t53 1992-93*\t\tBill Barber\t112 1975-76\nRick Macliesh\t50 1972-73\t\tBobby Clarke\t104 1972-73\nBill Barber\t50 1975-76\t\tRick Macliesh\t100 1972-73\nReggie Leach\t50 1979-80\n\n*More than 80 games.\n\nFLYERS career years:\n\nPlayer\t\tPoints\tBest Prior Season\nMark Recchi\t123\t113 (90-91 Penguins)\nRod Brind'Amour\t86\t77 (91-92 FLYERS)\nGarry Galley\t62\t38 (84-85 Kings)\nBrent Fedyk\t59\t35 (90-91 Red Wings)\n\nThat's all for now...\n\npete clark jr - rsh FLYERS contact and mailing list owner\n\n","1198":"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nOrganization: The Claremont Graduate School\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.56.1993.28439@athos.rutgers.edu>, eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41) writes:\n\n> I disagree with your claim that Jews were not evangelistic (except in\n> the narrow sense of the word).  Jewish proselytism was widespread.\n> There are numerous accounts of Jewish proselytism, both in the New\n> Testament and in Roman and Greek documents of the day.\n\nJim,\n\nPlease feel free to correct me and give me some texts.  As far as I can see the\nonly text which vaugely relates to jewish evangelism is found in Mt. 23:15.\nHowever since this is found only in Mt. it cannot be dated before 90CE which\nmakes it unusefull for understanding Second Temple Judaism. \n\nrandy\n","1199":"From: rjc@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: \/etc\/organization\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5pGFu.IA4@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes:\n>views would be to recruit them as spooks. They can be guaranteed to give\n>the government line when it counts. In US history it has been the \n>socialists such as myself who have been persecuted. \n\n  And in Russia, capitalists were persecuted for trading goods on the\nblack market. And in the US, capitalist minded types are imprisoned and killed\nfor things such as selling drugs, guns, pornography, and other victimless\nactivities.  It doesn't matter whether you are socialist or capitalist,\npower and control are central to government. Since citizens can't be trusted to\nrun their own affairs, the government must watch them.  (for their\nown good of course. I mean, with strong cryptography, citizens might <gasp!>\nstart to hide things from the IRS, sell drugs\/guns\/pornography, and\nthat cannot be allowed!)\n\n>trials. Ever seen Ed Meese pissed? I have, it was when he said that socialism\n>and communism were the same thing and brought the house down with laughter.\n>It took several minutes before we realised that he was serious.\n\n  Not very surprising to anyone who believes in \"hands off\" government. If\nyou believe that your private life (both social and financial) are none of\nanyone else's business, the difference between socialism and communism is\nlike the difference between murder by lethal injection or by\nchainsaw. The more centralized the economy is, the more potential\nabuses for accumulation of information on individuals. If you think\ncredit companies are bad, ...  Well, I'm sure a democratic socialist society\nwould vote for absolute privacy of all citizens -- NOT!\n","1200":"From: wdstarr@athena.mit.edu (William December Starr)\nSubject: Re: rnitedace and violence\nOrganization: Northeastern Law, Class of '93\nLines: 20\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nw12-326-1.mit.edu\nIn-reply-to: neal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal)\n\n\nIn article <C5ovG2.J24@magpie.linknet.com>, \nneal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal) said:\n\n> My views are out of experiences when I was a police officer in a large\n> metropolitan area, and of a citizen. Unless people account for their\n> behavior, and for the behavior of their immediate community, nothing\n> will improve.\n\nWait a minute.  I agree with you that people have to take responsibility\nfor their own behavior (I assume that's what you meant by the word\n\"account\"), but also for \"the behavior of their immediate community\"?\n\nFirst of all, how \"immediate\" are you talking about, and secondly, I\nhave a lot of trouble with any theory of social behavior or justice\nwhich charges anyone with the duty of taking responsibility for or\naccounting for the actions of a different person...\n\n-- William December Starr <wdstarr@athena.mit.edu>\n\n","1201":"From: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us\nSubject: [ For Sale ] EMS Freq. Shifter\nReply-To: xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us\nOrganization: Indescribable Creations\nLines: 20\n\nThis is yet for a friend again.\n\nEMS Freq. Shifter. (The machine that made those 3-D swirling guitar effects\n                    way back in the 70's.)\n\nSpacial panner with harmonic shifting. Very rare - A collectors Item. This\nis the last unit EMS ever made. Rack mountable. Mono in, Up\/Down signals out\nwith seperate Pan out and sine\/unsine voltage outs. VCO input too to control\nLFO. If interested contact Kevin before 9 pm PST (California) at 818-362-7883\nand make an offer.\n\nDo not reply to this account.\n\nHave a nice day\n\n__________________________________________________________________________\n   |       \/         |\\\n   | H E   \\ Y B E R |\/ E N            [ xorcist@cyberden.sf.ca.us ]\n\n   The CyberDen - Public Access Waffle Usenet System - 415\/472-5527\n","1202":"From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)\nSubject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering\nOrganization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: joesbar.cc.vt.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nexb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote:\n: Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !\n\nOh goody!  I love a puzzle.  Watson!  The games afoot!\n\n: Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there\n: was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension\n: to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very\n: tangible \"thunk\".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. \n\n<stuff deleted>\n\n: Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you\n: rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without\n: damaging the thread in the hole ?  Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo\n\nLet me guess.  You were making a left turn, correct?  The edge of the stud\ncontacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself.  If you had \nbeen making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. \n\n\n--\n*******************************************************************************\n* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *\n* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *\n*******************************************************************************\n","1203":"From: liny@sun13.scri.fsu.edu (Nemo)\nSubject: Bates Method for Myopia\nReply-To: lin@ray.met.fsu.edu\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: SCRI, Florida State University\nLines: 22\n\nDoes the Bates method work?  I first heard about it in this newsgroup \nseveral years ago, and I have just got hold of a book, \"How to improve your\nsight - simple daily drills in relaxation\", by Margaret D. Corbett, \n('Authorized instructor of the Bates method), published in 1953.  It \ntalks about vision improvement by relaxation and exercise.  Has there been\nany study on whether this method actually works?  If it works, is it by \nactually shortening the previously elongated eyeball, or by increasing \nthe lens's ability to flatten itself in order to compensate for the \ntoo-long eyeball?\n\nSince myopia is the result of eyeball elongation, seems to me the most\nlogical approach for correction is to find a way to reverse the process,\ni.e., shorten it somehow (preferably non-surgically).  Has there been\nany recent studies on this?  Where can I find them?  I know RK works by \nchanging the curvature of the cornea to compensate for the shape of \neyeball, but if there is a way to train the muscles to shorten the \neyeball back to its correct length that would be even better (Bates's \nidea, right?)\n\nThanks for any information.\n\n\n","1204":"From: jenkinch@ccmail.orst.edu\nSubject: Re: Adaptec SCSI Device Driver for Win3.1\nOrganization: University Computing Services - OSU\nLines: 1\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: jenkinsc.ads.orst.edu\n\n\n","1205":"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine)\nSubject: Re: Plus minus stat...\nNntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca\nReply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA\nOrganization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada\nLines: 33\n\n\nIn article 1443@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n\n>Certainly pluggers are an integral part of any team.  And that is\n>simply because there are not enough solid two-way players to go \n>around.  Who would you rather have as your \"checking\" centre?  Doug\n>Gilmour or Doug Jarvis?  For that matter I would take either Gretzky\n>or Mario as my \"checking\" centres.  Do you think Gretzky could cover\n>Bob Gainey? \n\nGretzky, Lemieux, Gilmour etc do not play the role of checking centreman.\nThey play an offensive role as opposed to a defensive one.  If they\nwere used as defensive centres it would be a waste of their offensive\nabilities. \n\nWhen you compare Gretzky et al to Jarvis, Gainey etc you are comparing \napples and oranges.  It is like me telling you that Felix Potvin isn't \nvery good because a team would be better if the had Lemieux instead of\nhim.  Sure Lemieux is a better player, but he is a different type of\nplayer.  For a team to be successful, they need to have all types of\nplayers- this includes defensive forwards.\n\nWhen compared with other defensive forwards, Bob Gainey is the greatest\ndefensive forward ever.  He is the player who's talents best suited being\na defensive forward- who completely dominated the game when he played.\n\nMaybe if a more talented player such as Gretzky had decided to waste his\noffensive talents and play defensively, he could have been a better\ndefensive forward, but he wasn't.\n\nBob Gainey is the best defensive forward that has ever played hockey.\n\nGregmeister\n","1206":"From: Mike Diack <mike-d@staff.tc.umn.edu>\nSubject: Make your own talking elevators !\nX-Xxmessage-Id: <A7E6E68422016542@dialup-slip-1-66.gw.umn.edu>\nX-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 07:49:24 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-66.gw.umn.edu\nOrganization: persian cat & carpet co.\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7\nLines: 7\n\nComplete standalone system (no computer required) for burning\nsound files into EPROMs - consists of :\nApollo Eprom programmer (designed specifically for this job - wont\ndo anything else)\nMicrophone\nLogical Devices Eprom eraser (to wipe the mistakes)\nBrand New - $230 + freight\n","1207":"From: David A. Fuess\nSubject: MathCad 4.0 vs NDW 2.2\nOrganization: UC LLNL\nLines: 23\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: talon.llnl.gov\n\n\nI just got off the phone with Mathsoft technical service. They\nare now admitting a problem of unknown nature with Maple and\nNorton Desktop for Windows. They have no clue at this time\nand are collecting configuration information on the systems\nwhich exhibit the problem. Anyone having problems loading the\nMaple solver in MathCad 4.0 under NDW shoud call technical\nsupport at 617-577-1017. They made no schedule promices,\nbut are actively working on the problem.\n\nIn the meantime, the workaround is to provide a configuration\nselection in autoexec.bat to use PROGMAN (yuk, pew) whenever\nyou plan to use the Maple solver and NDW otherwise. I am using\nNorton BE to place a little menu on the screen with a 5 second\ntimeout to auto boot NDW.\n\n+---------------------------------+----------------------+\n|    _\/      _\/     _\/    _\/  _\/  | David A. Fuess       |\n|   _\/      _\/     _\/_\/  _\/  _\/   | Dir, Center for EECS |\n|  _\/      _\/     _\/  _\/_\/  _\/    | Phone: (510)423-2436 |\n| _\/_\/_\/  _\/_\/_\/ _\/    _\/  _\/_\/_\/ | Fax:   (510)422-9343 |\n+-------- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory --------+\n\n","1208":"From: root@ncube.com (Operator)\nSubject: Accelaratores?\nNntp-Posting-Host: admin\nReply-To: root@ncube.com\nOrganization: nCUBE Corp., Foster City, CA\nLines: 27\n\nDo the accelaratores make a lot of difference?\nAs I understand, there is graphics and cpu accelaration.\n\nDoes graphics accelarator help out with the scanner and\nthe photo shop?\n\nIs combination of both practical?\n\nI have a Mac IIci. What kinds of accelaratores can I use?\n\n\n\n---\n\n\n\n                     ^~\n                     @ *  *\n  Captain Zod...    _|\/_ \/\n  zod@ncube.com    |-|-|\/\n                  0 \/| 0\n                   \/ |\n           \\=======&==\\===\n           \\===========&===\n\n\n\n","1209":"From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle)\nSubject:  Fork Seals \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Not an Organization\nLines: 23\n\nI'm about to undertake changing the fork seals on my '88 EX500.  My Clymer\nmanual says I need the following tools from Kawasaki:\n\n57001-183  (T handle looking thing in illustration)\n57001-1057 (Some type of adapter for the end of the T handle)\n57001-1091 No illustration of this tool and the manual just refers to it\n           as \"the kawasaki tool.\"\n57001-1058 Oil seal and bearing remover.\n\nHow necessary are these tools?  Considering the dealers around here didn't\nhave the Clymer manual, fork seals, and a turn signal assembly in stock I\nreally doubt they have these tools in stock and I'd really like to get this\ndone this week.   Any help would be appreciated as always.\n\n--\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n  ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd  | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without\n  Todd Doolittle                    |           a red-line.         \n  Troy, MI                          | '88 EX500                      \n  DoD #0832                         |                           \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","1210":"From: jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr)\nSubject: Re: The state of justice\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: achates.mit.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.170239.8211@hemlock.cray.com>\n\trja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:\n\n>There's a guy on death row in Texas that was denied a new trial, dispite\n>evidence of his inocents.\n\nI recommend the book \"Adams _v_ Texas\", the story of a man (Adams) who\nwas sentenced to death for a crime he didn't commit.  Most of the book\nis the story of the long appeals process, and the problems and delays\ncaused by not being able to introduce new evidence in certain courts.\n\n--\n    John Carr (jfc@athena.mit.edu)\n","1211":"From: MLINDROOS@FINABO.ABO.FI (Marcus Lindroos INF)\nSubject: Re: WC Pool B : GB win the gold\nIn-Reply-To: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca's message of Mon, 5 Apr 1993 13:03:17 GMT\nOrganization: Abo Akademi University, Finland\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24\nLines: 30\n\nIn <1993Apr5.130317.8175@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca writes:\n\n> In article <1porp4$1c0@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk> nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk writes:\n> >\n> >GB has now risen from nowhere to Pool A in 5 seasons. They pulled out of the\n> >World Championships in 1981, and did not re-enter until 1989 when we took part\n> >in Pool D. In 1990, we hosted Pool D and won all our game to progress to\n> >Pool C. In 1991 GB finished 5th in Pool C, and then last year we hosted\n> >Pool C, again winning all our games. Now after Pool B, GB won all 7 games\n> >and in now in Pool A. World Champions next year perhaps :-)\n> >\n> \n> Just goes to show you what using Canadians can do for a hockey team...\n> France, Italy, and now Great Britain all use a significant number of\n> Canadians on \"their\" hockey teams.\n\nYup. Then again, there are lots of foreign-born players on the Canadian\nnational soccer team so the Brits give something back to you in the end:-)\n---\nFor the record, former NY Rangers coach Ted \"Darth\" Sator recently led\nLion Milan (Jari Kurri's former team, only the nickname's changed\n[Devils->Lion]) to their second straight Italian championship. They made the\nEuropean Final Four last autumn after losing to Swedish champs Malmo in the\nsemis...and accomplished this feat using FIFTEEN Canadian-born players!! Mamma\nmia!\n\nMARCU$\n \n> Gerald\n> \n","1212":"From: murray@src.dec.com (Hal Murray)\nSubject: Re: How do they know what keys to ask for?  (Re: Clipper)\nOrganization: DEC Systems Research Center\nLines: 8\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.031520.13902@clarinet.com>, brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:\n|> The actual algorithm is classified, however, their main thrust here is\n|> for cellular phones, and encryption is only over the radio end, not\n|> end to end, I think.   End to end will come later.\n\nEncrypting just the radio link doesn't make sense to me.  That means the telco\nhas to do the decryption, and hence they need the keys.  How are they going to be\nkept secure?\n","1213":"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nArticle-I.D.: ramsey.1993Apr6.045046.5658\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 15\n\nIn <rauser.734062608@sfu.ca> rauser@fraser.sfu.ca (Richard \"The Racist\" Rauser) writes:\n\n[all kinds of unacceptably racist drivel deleted]\n\nAnd after that we find the man has absolutely nothing to say.\n\nRichard J. Rauser, you are a dishonourable little man.\n\ncaustically, when necessary,\n\nrm\n    \n-- \nRoger Maynard \nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n","1214":"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)\nSubject: rec.autos: Welcome to to the new reader\nKeywords: Monthly Posting\nReply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com\nOrganization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies\nExpires: Thu, 20 May 1993 04:00:05 GMT\nLines: 269\n\nArchive-name: rec-autos\/part1\n\n[most recent changes, 15 March 1993: addition of alt.autos.karting -- rpw]\n\n               === Welcome to Rec.Autos.* ===\n\nThis article is sent out automatically each month, and contains a general\ndescription of the purpose of each of the automotive newsgroups, and\nsome suggested guidelines for discussions.  The keywords `Monthly Posting'\nwill always appear to make killing this article easy for users of\nnewsreaders with kill facilities.  This article is posted to all autos\ngroups, but followups are directed only to rec.autos.  If you don't\nunderstand what this means, ask your system administrator for help, or at\nleast for copies of the newuser documentation.  Failing that, please\nsubscribe to the newsgroup news.announce.newusers and read the\ndocumentation provided there.\n\nIntroduction to the Rec.Autos newsgroup hierarchy:\n\nrec.autos.tech\n\nis intended for technical discussions of automobiles, their design,\nconstruction, diagnosis, and service.  Other discussions are largely\ninappropriate, especially For Sale ads.\n\nrec.autos.sport\n\nis intended for discussion of legal, organized competition involving\nautomobiles.  Technical discussions are appropriate insofar as they apply\nto competition vehicles.  Discussion from either of two viewpoints,\nspectator and participant, is encouraged.  Arguments about sports cars are\nlargely inappropriate, as are most other discussions.  For Sale ads are\ninappropriate unless they are for competition vehicles and\/or equipment.\nDiscussions of illegal events are marginal; one should probably avoid\nadvocating breaking the law.  (remember, the FBI reads Usenet!)\n\nrec.autos.driving\n\nis intended for discussions related to the driving of automobiles.\nAlso, if you must discuss 55 vs. 65, or radar detectors, or <insert\nyour pet driving peeve> boneheads, do it here.\n\nrec.autos.vw\n\nis intended for discussion of issues related to the use and ownership\nof automobiles manufactured by Volkswagen (this includes VWs, Audis,\nSeats, etc.)  It was created on the grounds that the info-vw mailing\nlist was very successful.  It should not be presumed from the existence\nof this group that it is appropriate to create many groups to cover many\ndifferent marques; groups specific to individual marques should only be\ncreated on demonstration of sufficient interest, via some avenue such as\na mailing list.\n\nrec.audio.car\n\nis not properly part of the rec.autos.* hierarchy.  it is, however,\nthe correct place for discussion of automotive audio equipment, and\nso is mentioned here.\n\nrec.autos.antique\n\nis intended for the discussion of older cars (usually more than 25 years\nold, although this is not a hard-and-fast rule.)\n\nalt.hotrod\n\nis not part of the hierarchy, but also of potential interest to the\nrec.autos reader.  it is gatewayed to the moderated hotrod mailing\nlist, and is for serious discussion of modifying and developing\nperformance vehicles.\n\nalt.autos.rod-n-custom\n\nalso not part of the `official' hierarchy; devoted to that peculiar\nAmerican hobby of customizing older cars.\n\nalt.autos.karting\n\nfor the discussion of the popular motorsport and hobby, karting.\n\nrec.autos\n\nis intended to capture discussion on all other automotive topics.\n\n\nCrossposting:\n\nCrossposting occurs when more than one newsgroup name is included on\nthe Newsgroups: line in the article header; such articles will appear\nin all of the newsgroups listed.\n\nCrossposting is one of the most misunderstood and misused facilities on\nUsenet.  You should only post to a group because you feel an article is\nappropriate; you should NEVER crosspost just to reach a particular\naudience.  This distinction is subtle, but important.  Radar Detector\narticles, for example, are more-or-less appropriate in rec.autos.  They are\nalmost never appropriate in sci.electronics or rec.ham-radio, and the fact\nthat you might want to reach the audience in sci.electronics or\nrec.ham-radio is NOT adequate justification for posting to either group.\n\nCrossposting between any or all of the rec.autos.* groups is usually\ninappropriate; if you find yourself doing so, consider whether or not it is\ntruly advisable, before sending your article.  Consider setting Followup-To:\nto point to only one newsgroup if you feel you must crosspost.\n\nCrossposting between rec.autos.* and misc.consumers is chancy at best; in\nparticular flame wars over the speed limit in the US and\/or the use of\nradar detectors should NEVER be crossposted between any of these groups.\n\nMost readers of sci.electronics and rec.radio.* couldn't care less about\nthe police radar and radar detector arguments that go on endlessly in\nrec.autos.\n\nIt is an excellent idea to check the Newsgroups: and Followup-to:  lines of\narticles before posting a followup.  In particular, be wary of posting to\nmisc.test, rec.arts.startrek.*, or talk.bizarre, or any combination of these\nthree.  The life you save may be your own.\n\nDistribution:\n\nThere is a field in the header of any news article which allows you to\n(partially) control where the article goes; it is called the Distribution\nfield.  It may be very useful for many reasons; it should also serve\nas a reminder that news is a very large and widespread system.\n\nThe distribution of rec.autos.* is fairly extensive.  As of this writing, \nthe Automotive newsgroups are known to reach most of Europe, Australia,\nNew Zealand, and some locations in Japan.  With this in mind, I offer the\nfollowing hints about use of the Distribution: field in your article\nheaders, and on article content.\n\n1) Please take care not to send for-sale ads about clapped out Ford\nMavericks in New Jersey to France or California; i doubt that anyone in\neither place will care, except for my girlfriend, who for some strange\nreason likes Mavericks (but only 4-door Mavericks, at that.)\n\n2) When posting technical questions, please include the market for which\nyour car was manufactured.  For example, there are a number of differences\nbetween a European-market Ford Escort and a US-market Escort.  Likewise,\nall 1750cc and early 2000cc Alfa Romeos reached the US with Spica Fuel\ninjection; European market cars usually got carbs (often Webers).  These\ndifferences can be important to your readers; make your situation clear.\nFailure to do so can lead to pointless flame wars and a significant\nspread of misinformation.\n\n3) Be careful about your capacities and specifications when posting;\nin the US we get a mix of Metric and English system values, whereas\nEurope is almost entirely on the Metric system.  A future edition\nof this monthly posting will contain a list of commonly-used\nabbreviations that may not be known in some places that rec.autos\nreaches; this cuts both ways so let us not be parochial about it.\n\n4) Use the Distribution: field to limit where your article goes, when\npossible.  Within North America, the values na (north america), can\n(canada), and usa may be used.  in addition, the two-letter state\nabbreviations of the US are supported in some cases; e.g. if i wanted\nto send an article only to New York and New Jersey, i could put\n\"ny,nj\" in a Distribution field.  note that multiple, comma-separated\nvalues are legal.  these distribution fields vary widely, however, so\nyou should check with your local sysadmin to find out what is likely\nto be supported in your area.\n\nThe Dangers of Overgeneralization:\n\nTo amplify a warning from the distribution section of this article:\nBe wary of making foolish assumptions about all cars, tires, etc.  What is\ntrue for a 1973 Buick with a 455cid engine may be quite utterly wrong for a\n1976 Honda with a 1200cc engine.  Headlight laws in Sweden are decidedly\ndifferent from those in Idaho.\n\nThe Need for Adequate Specification:\n\nWhen you ask a question, please give a reasonable amount of information;\ne.g., if you have a question about your Honda, please specify year,\nmodel, engine size, etc.  Otherwise, most answers to your question may be\nquite useless.\n\n\nConcerning Lemons:\n\nAt one time or another, every auto manufacturer has manufactured a lemon or\ntwo; even Honda admits to this.  Please don't waste everyone's time by\nannouncing to the world that your `brand x' automobile is terrible, so all\n`brand x' automobiles are terrible, so no one should ever buy a car from\nthe `brand x' company.  Such articles are worse than useless, because they\ncause substantial wasted bandwidth while carrying little or no useful\ninformation.\n\n\nConcerning Flames:\n\nAs much as we might wish it, a flame-free newsgroup is something that most\nlikely will never occur.  Here are some guidelines for flames and how\nto deal with them (a list of flame-prone topics follows in the next section\nof this posting):\n\nIf you post something truly obnoxious and inflammatory, don't imagine for a\nminute that including the words `No Flames' will work.  It won't, and\nyou'll get exactly what you deserve.\n\nIf you're going to flame, you're more likely to get away with it if you can\ncite a fact or maybe a well-known reference.  No one is likely to believe\nbald, unsupported assertions.\n\nBe careful about who you choose to insult.  Consider not insulting anyone.\n\n\nAsking the Question:\n\nIt is a bad idea to post a question and end it with a phrase like `Please\nsend email, I don't read this group'.  It is a much better idea to\nend the question with `Please send email, if there is sufficient interest\nI'll summarize the results in a later posting.  I may miss posted responses\nto this request'.\n\nAnswering the Question:\n\nIf someone wants to hop up their Yugo, don't tell them to get a Mustang.\nEither be silent, or give them useful advice.  If someone wants advice on\ndefending a speeding ticket, don't tell them to obey the law next time --\nit's offensive, presumes guilt which is not proven, and doesn't directly\naddress the original question.  In general, don't post in order to see\nyour words in print, and don't post in order to enjoy feeling smug and\nself-righteous.\n\n\nStale and\/or Inflammatory Topics:\n\nCertain topics are considered stale by `old timers'; while discussion of\nthem is certainly ok, and new, factual information is welcome, ravings\nabout them are extremely tiresome, and may get the person who posts them\nignored altogether.  Some topics are naturally inflammatory; it is\ndifficult if not impossible to have meaningful discussion of them.  Some\nof these topics include the following:\n\n1)  the 55mph speed limit in the US: Pro and Con\n\n2)  discussions about the morality and legality of the sale and usage of\n    radar detectors.\n\n3)  discussions over which radar detector is best.\n\n4)  discussions over what is a sports car (this is one reason why\n    rec.autos.sport is not a `sports car' group -- everyone would argue\n    about what constitutes a `sports car'.)\n\n5)  disputes over whether or not US Federal law protects the driver's\n    right to own and operate a radar detector\n\n6)  `Buy American' discussions\n\n7)  `clever' bumper stickers and personalized license plates\n\n8)  <insert nationality here> cars are terrible\n\n9)  What kind of car did Maxwell Smart drive?\n      [when I have a complete, accurate answer it will be added to the\n          commonly-asked questions article which is also posted monthly.\n          Until then, please don't waste bandwidth on this topic. -- rpw]\n\n\n\nPlease direct comments and suggestions about this article to:\n\n     welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com\n-- \nrichard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com\n``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of\n  a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith\n","1215":"From: daw@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Dave Webb)\nSubject: Gameboy games: Trade for Genesis, Game Gear or Gameboy Games (Uupdate)\nOrganization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA\nLines: 30\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu\n\nI have the following GameBoy Games available for TRADE!\n\nPitfighter\nMetroid II\nBases Loaded\nBlades Of Steel\nMalibu Beach Volleyball\nWorld Cup Soccer\nTennis..\nSpiderman\nRobocop\nMotocross Maniacs\nDouble Dribble 5 on 5 Basketball\n\n\nLooking for:\nGenesis Games\nMissile Command (Gameboy) \nGame Gear games\n\nPlease leave e-mail if interested!\n\t\n\t\tThanx\n\t\t\tDave Webb\nP.S.\nI'm still waiting to hear from Allen Thoren Jr. about trading MB Volleyball for\nMissile Command... Please get in touch.\n\nAlso waiting to hear from Raul (rombh@cunyvm.cuny.edu) about Genesis trade...\n\n","1216":"From: dpugsle@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil (Donald Pugsley)\nSubject: C7 link\/segment problem (calling run-time functions)\nSummary: Need help with incorrect linking of run-time lib functions\nKeywords: C7 link runtime segment\nOrganization: Naval Surface Warfare Center\nLines: 40\n\nI have a small Windows program which I can not get to work; \nThe program looks vaguely like this:\n\n=============================================\nchar f1[80];\n\nint WinMain(...\n{\n  lstrcpy ((LPSTR)f1, \"Hello\");\n  ...\n}\n\nlong far pascal WndProc(...\n{\n  lstrcpy ((LPSTR)f1, \"Hello\");\n  ...\n}\n\n============================================= \nI am using large model under Windows 3.1; after linking without\nerrors, the RC program said\n\nSorting preload segments and resources into fast-load section\nCopying segment 1 (53679 bytes)\nRC : fatal error RW1031: Segment 1 and its\n     relocation information is too large for load\n     optimization. Make the segment LOADONCALL or\n     rerun RC using the -K switch if the segment must\n     be preloaded.\n\nUsing the -K switch seems to interfere with the proper function of\nthe second lstrcpy call... can anybody explain what is going on and\/or\nhow to fix it?\n\n\nThanks...\nPugsley  (dpugsle@nswc-wo.nswc.navy.mil)\n\n\n\n","1217":"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)\nSubject: Re: What are some good Suppliers of Chips?\nOrganization: Megatest Corporation\nLines: 44\n\nIn article <1qihcl$9ri@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> ae454@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Paul Simundza) writes:\n>\n>\n>anyone know of any good supplier's of chips, one that could have almost\n>any chip i need? I don't want to hunt down all the chips I may need so\n>it would be greatly appreciated if anyone knows of a good distributor\n>..\n>thankyou\n>\n\nPaul,\n\nUnfortunately, there are not too many retail outlets that'll stock\njust about every chip made.  The stuff they will stock are the ones\nthat'll sell, like standard DRAM's, 80386's, 68000's, etc,etc.\ni.e.  I cna't think of any 'one-stop-shopping' store.\n\nThe closest you can get is to pick up a copy of Byte magazine or\nthe Circuit Cellar, Popular Electronics, and the like and flip\nthrough them.\n\nDistributors like Wyle Electronics, Hamilton Avnet, Pioneer Electronics,\netc, etc, don't normally deal with end-users like ourselves where\nwe only a couple of everything...they only deal with people who buy\nby the hundreds or more.  Each distributor represents and sells a variety of\ndifferent non-competing manufacturers.  What do I mean by this?\nSuppose ABC Electronics sells Intel 80386's.  It's a pretty good\nbet that they won't be selling any of AMD's 386's, or vice-versa.\nThey also can obtain just about *any* chip you want from a manufacturer\nthey represent.\n\nWho knows?  You might be lucky to be able to buy from one of them.\nBut I'd be suprised if you do.  ALso bear in mind that the 1 or 2\nqty prices they will charge you will be *much* greater than what\na mail order outlet will charge.\n\nMy advice?  If you're gonna be designing anything, try to stick\nwith off-the-shelf stuff.  You're going to get stuck if you use\ntoo many esoteric parts sooner or later.\n\ngood luck,\n\naaron\n\n","1218":"From: Tony Lezard <tony@mantis.co.uk>\nSubject: Winword grammer checker saved my liff!\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nLines: 28\n\n1. Fire up Microsoft Word for Windows (version 2.0c)\n\n2. Type the following paragraph:\n\n   If you want to rite really very dead good, you just cant live.\n   Without one of the wonderfully write aids, what you're can get\n   what helps me impress me boss.\n\n3. Under Tools|Options|Grammar select \"Use grammar and style rules\n   strictly (all rules) and click OK.\n\n4. Run the grammar checker (this also does a spelling check).\n\f\nNo complaints.\n\nReadability:\n    Passive Sentences:    0%\n    Flesch Reading Ease: 84.5\n    Flesch Grade Level:   6.6\n    Flesch-Kincaid:       5.2\n    Gunning Fog Index:    8.7\n\n\n__\nTL\n(Someone buy Malcolm Bacchus some beer please.)\n\n\n","1219":"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: sgi\nLines: 15\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\n\nIn article <1ql0ajINN2kj@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n|> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n|> \n|> >>But chimps are almost human...\n|> >Does this mean that Chimps have a moral will?\n|> \n|> Well, chimps must have some system.  They live in social groups\n|> as we do, so they must have some \"laws\" dictating undesired behavior.\n\nAh, the verb \"to must\".   I was warned about that one back\nin Kindergarten.\n\nSo, why \"must\" they have such laws?\n\njon.\n","1220":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Should patients read package inserts (PDR)?\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 48\n\nIn article <1993Mar29.113528.930@news.wesleyan.edu> RGINZBERG@eagle.wesleyan.edu (Ruth Ginzberg) writes:\n\n>Hmmmm... here's one place where I really think the patient ought to take more\n>responsibility for him- or herself.  There is absolutely no reason why you\n>can't ask the pharmacist filling the prescription for the \"Physicians' Package\n>Insert\" for the medication when you pick it up at the pharmacy.  Make sure to\n>tell the pharmacist that you want the \"Physicians' Package Insert\" *NOT* the\n\nIf people are going to do this, I really wish they would tell me first.\nI'd be happy to go over the insert (in the PDR) with them and explain\neverything.  All too many patients read the insert and panic and then\non the next visit sheepishly admit they were afraid to take the drug\nand we are starting over again at square one.  Some of them probably\ndidn't even come back for followup because they didn't want to admit\nthey wouldn't take the drug or thought I was trying to kill them or\nsomething.  What people don't understand about the inserts is that they\nreport every adverse side effect ever reported, without substantiating\nthat the drug was responsible.  The insert is a legal document to slough\nliability from the manufacturer to the physician if something was to\nhappen.  If patients want to have the most useful and reliable information\non a drug they would be so much better off getting hold of one of the\nAMA drug evaluation books or something similar that is much more scientific.\nThere are very few drugs that someone hasn't reported a death from taking.\nPatients don't realize that and don't usually appreciate the risks\nto themselves properly.  I'm sure Herman is going to \"go ballistic\",\nbut so be it.  Another problem is that probably most drugs have been\nreported to cause impotence.  Half the males who read that will falsely assume\nit could permanently cause them to lose sexual function and so will\nrefuse to take any drug like that.  This can be a real problem for\nPDR readers.  There needs to be some way of providing patients with\ntools geared to them that allow them to get the information they need.\nI am involved in a research project to do that, with migraine as the\ndomain.  It involves a computer system that will provide answers to questions\nabout migraine as well as the therapy prescribed for the patient.\nFor common illnesses, such as migraine and hypertension, this may help\nquite a bit.  The patient could spend as much time as needed with the\ncomputer and this would then not burden the physician.  Clearly,\nphysicians in large part fail to answer all the questions patients have,\nas is demonstrated over and over here on the net where we get asked\nthings that the patients should have found out from their physician\nbut didn't.  Why they didn't isn't always the physician's fault either.\nSometimes the patients are afraid to ask.  They won't be as afraid to\nask the system, we hope.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1221":"From: carols@ohsu.edu (Carol Suelzle)\nSubject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP\nArticle-I.D.: ohsu.1993Apr19.213505.2883\nOrganization: Oregon Health Sciences University\nLines: 23\nNntp-Posting-Host: 137.53.130.7\n\n\nIn article <1qur7h$qrl@access.digex.net> wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom) writes:\n>\n>\n>>In article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes:\n>>>From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\n>>>Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP\n>>>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT\n>>>\n>>>As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of  \n>>>late.  It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every  \n>>>day.  The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I  \n>\n>There is a way in SYS.INI to turn off RAM parity checking (unfortunately,\n>my good Windows references are at home, but any standard Win reference\n>will tell you how to do it. If not, email back to me.) That weird memory\n>may be producing phony parity errors. Danger is, if you turn checkling off,\n>you run the slight risk of data corruption due to a missed real error.\n\nI had this very same problem, and did 'work around' by turning parity checking off, but that only\nworked while I was in windows, and the parity error would occur immediately after exiting\nwindows, however,the problem turned out to be 3 chip simms vs 9 chip simms.  I can't use 3 chip simms in my \ncomputer, and when I replaced them, the problem vanished, forever.\n","1222":"From: slegge@kean.ucs.mun.ca\nSubject: Leafs versus Wings\nLines: 46\nOrganization: Memorial University. St.John's Nfld, Canada\n\nHow long can the Leafs play short-handed and still be expected to\nscore?  They did some fine penely-killing in the first (2 men down\nfor a couple of minutes at one point) but they just couldn't keep it \nup.  They spent virtually the entire game either short-handed or\njust coming off a penelty -- as soon as they'd get re-grouped, they're\npenalized again!\n \nSheesh -- like Gilmour said after the 1st -- you can't go calling \nevery little push an shove in a game like that.  And if you're going\nto, you have to do it for both teams.\n \nPearson (one of my four favorite Leafs) played like a bonehead -- I\nsaw him personally screw up at least 2 good scoring opportunities, and\nthen he got that *bonehead* 5-minute major high-sticking penalty.\n \nCullen has gotten stronger since his return from injury a hand-full of\ngames ago and he played a good game.  If the other players on his line\ncan smarten up, that line should do okay.  Clark's got to get tough --\nhe's got to intimidate and go for the net.  Send Clark up the left \nwing over the blue line a couple times... his patented wrist shot will\nput some numbers on the board... and Pearson... heck, maybe he should\nbe benched.\n \nI hate to repeat Grapes, but where the heck was Foligno?  Zezel can't\ndo all the checking himself -- and get MacLlwain on the move... we \nneed some speed out there!  Keep Potvin in net, he did okay \nconsidering... although (like I said a couple weeks ago) Potvin \nmessed up in a couple games in the AHL playoffs last year -- he can \neasily do it again.\n \nMy prediction last week was Toronto in 7 -- that the games DET wins \nwill be blow-outs and the game TOR wins will be close -- I still stand\nby that.\n \nDon't fret, Leafs fans, in order to win in 7, the other team has to\nwin 3! :-)\n \nBurns is going to make some magic -- he'll mix up some lines.  Match\nthe Wings line-per-line.  He'll have his team checking hard, and he'll\nnever let them get out-numbered in their own end.  The Leafs will win\nWednesday night... and will take 1 or their home games (probably the\nfirst one).\n \nStephen LEAF Legge\nSLEGGE@kean.ucs.mun.ca\n\n","1223":"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nOrganization: Red Barn Data Center\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <C5s9CK.2Bt@apollo.hp.com> nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson) writes:\n>  who would be alive today if they had been released back when we were\n\n\tThe word \"released\" is loaded:  until convicted in CXOurt,\n\tmy children are my own.\n\n\tWHen the Feds use this type of loaded logic, you cannot win:\n\t\t1)  we accuse you\n\t\t2) we shoot a couple of your kids\n\t\t3)  we blame you for those shots\n\t\t4) we harrass you for 51 days\n\t\t5) we tell you to come out or die\n\t\t6) we gas you\n\t\t7) you burn to death\n\t\t8)  we blame you (prior to trial) for all of it\n>  debating this a few weeks ago.\n>\n>\n>---peter\n>\n>\n>\n>\n>\n\n\n","1224":"From: tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum)\nSubject: Is car saftey important? \nNntp-Posting-Host: 47.141.0.88\nReply-To: tcorkum@bnr.ca (Trevor Corkum)\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.\nLines: 11\n\n   I was recently thumbing through the 1993 Lemon-Aid New\nCar Guide.  What I found was a car would be given a 'Recommended'\nunder the picture while a few sentences later noting how a\ndriver and passenger were virtually guaranteed to be killed\nin a front end collision.  The most highly recommended small\ncar (The Civic) has the worst crash rating of all of the small\ncars listed.  There were many such cases of 'great' vehicles\nwhere you wouldn't survive an accident.  Is it only me, or is\nsafety not one of the most important factors when buying a car?\n\n\n","1225":"From: hayes@ug.cs.dal.ca (Kevin B. Hayes)\nSubject: Re: changing port buffer size in ZTerm\nNntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca\nOrganization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada\nLines: 20\n\nIn <19930419.060948.343@almaden.ibm.com> petrack@vnet.IBM.COM writes:\n\n>Some kind soul told me that I could change the serial port buffer size\n>of Zterm via ResEdit. He did not tell me HOW I could change it using\n>ResEdit, and I have lost his e-mail address.\n\n>Could he or any one else please tell me what to do?\n\n>I assume that the relevant resource is zSet, but I do not know, and\n[chop]\n\nCould you please post it to the net too please, as I, and I'm sure many others\nwould like to know.  Thanks!\nKev.\n\n-- \nKevin Hayes                    |      \"My opinions do necessarily \nDalhousie University           |       reflect the opinions of\nHalifax, Nova Scotia, Canada   |       myself; so sue me!\"\nhayes@ug.cs.dal.ca             |\n","1226":"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman)\nSubject: Tektronix\nOrganization: ITC\/UVA Community Access UNIX\/Internet Project\nLines: 6\n\nI remember seeing something in the X distribution mentioning support\nfor a Tektronix terminal in an X server.  Is this accurate? \n-- \nmike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu \n\n\"I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class.\" -Unknown\n","1227":"From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)\nSubject: Re: Antifreeze\/coolant\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: worwig.atlantaga.ncr.com\nOrganization: NCR Corporation\nX-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0\n\nIn Article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com> \"behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)\" says:\n> \tFor those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,\n> what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe\n> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13\/gallon.\n> (Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official\n> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)\n> \n> Thanks,\n> -- \n> Chris BeHanna\tDoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady\n> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\n> Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC\t  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\n> agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n> \nI thought that all coolants were aluminum safe any more. But I would\nlike to know more since I must tear down my Kawasaki (again I must add).\n","1228":"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)\nSubject: Daily Verse\nOrganization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA\nLines: 4\n\nHe who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will\nbe my son. \n\nRevelation 21:7\n","1229":"From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5HqJ0.57@unix.amherst.edu> bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) writes:\n>I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been\n>mentioned.  But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the\n>left-hand turn-signal stalk?  It was a button on the end, where the washer\n>button would be on the wiper\/washer stalk.  Could the Frenchies not figure\n>out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what?\n\nFord tried that also, back in 1983.  My 1983 Ranger Pickup had the horn at\nthe end of the turn-signal stalk, instead of in the center of the wheel where\nGod intended it to be. :-)  I drove two different cars then (the other an\n1984 Camry), and never did get used to pushing the turn-signal stalk to\nblow the horn.  The only time I got it right was when I was getting the\nannual state-required safety inspection!\nNot one of Ford's better ideas.\n\n-- \nDick Grady           Salem, NH,  USA            grady@world.std.com\nSo many newsgroups, so little time!\n","1230":"From: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE)\nSubject: Re: JETS FANS!  Hrivnak or Tabaracci??\nArticle-I.D.: ncsu.1993Apr6.215225.11611\nReply-To: fmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu (FRANK MICHAE SALVATORE)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 22\nOriginator: fmsalvat@c00574-1403br.eos.ncsu.edu\n\n\n\n> >After seeing Hrivnak and Tabarraci play, who\n> >would you prefer to have?  And how about\n> >Tyler Larter?  What ever happened to him??\n> \n> \tYou know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious.\n> \n> \n> \n\nOk, but have you seen Tabaracci play yet?  In his two starts and\nhis relief effort for Beaupre, he has looked mighty sharp - don't\nforget the shutout.  I think he's let in just four goals over eight\nperiods of play.  I like Hrivnak, but we might actually have to give\nsome credit to David Poile for a change after this trade.\n\nHopefully if Tabaracci starts against the Isles tonight, I haven't\njinxed him.\n\nFrank Salvatore\nfmsalvat@eos.ncsu.edu\n","1231":"From: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT)\nSubject: Case, MFM Contr., Game card, Sound Card\nOriginator: klwright@c00391-346dan.eos.ncsu.edu\nReply-To: klwright@eos.ncsu.edu (KENNETH LEE WRIGHT)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 29\n\n\nForsale\n\n1     Desktop Case, 200 Watt power supply 2 internal 5 1\/4\" bays and \n      2 external 5 1\/4\" origanaly Dell System 200 case. looks real good\n      all hardware included.\n      I would like $80 + shipping or best offer.\n\n1     Western Digital MFM controler, 16 bit 2 floppy 2 hard, never had a\n      problem with it. \n      I would like  $30 + shipping or best offer.\n\n1     Game card, works well nothing fancy just a joystick port. \n      I would like $10 + shipping or best offer.\n\n1     INNOVATION Game \/ Sound Card, Has one game port and an adlib port.\n      I never used it. ( I got a soundblaster cheep before I installed it)\n      I would like $5 + shipping\n\n All offers considered, Buyer pays shipping.\n\n\nplease resopnd to \nklwright@eos.ncsu.edu\nor\n(919) 834-3290 \n\nthanks\nken\n","1232":"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nNntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299\nOrganization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 37\n\nMike Sixsmith, on the 16 Apr 93 10:07:55 GMT wibbled:\n\n[ very interesting (yawn) stuff deleted, because I'm like that... ]\n\n: Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to\n: be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering\n: theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at\n: the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.\n: And that was my original point.\n\n: Mike\n\n\nI am in complete concordance with you there, Mike.  I was a Silver StarRider\ninstructor, for a while.  I learn't about countersteering last year\nand I have been riding bikes since 1976.  We were never told about\ncountersteering when being taught to instruct.  It doesn't seem to have\naffected me or my friends or pupils.  We just rode in blissful ignorance.\n--\n\nNick (the Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford\n\nM'Lud.\n\n  ___\t___   ___   ___\n {\"_\"} {\"_\"} {\"_\"} {\"_\"}\t  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.\n  ' `\t` '   ' `   ` '\t\t  Currently incarcerated at BNR,\n  ___\t___   ___   ___\t\t  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.\n |\"_\"| |\"_\"| |\"_\"| |\"_\"|\t  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS \"Kay\"\n  ` '\t' `   ` '   ' `\t\t  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002\n\t    .\n   _ _\t\t_  __ .\n  \/ ~ ~~\\   |  \/ ~~  \\\n |_______|    [_______|\n\t   _:_\n\t  |___|\n\n","1233":"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan)\nSubject: Re: Am I going to Hell?\nOrganization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI\nLines: 32\n\ntbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes:\n\n>I have stated before that I do not consider myself an atheist, but \n                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nSo you believe in the existance of One creator I assume.\n\n\n>definitely do not believe in the christian god.  The recent discussion\n>about atheists and hell, combined with a post to another group (to the\n>effect of 'you will all go to hell') has me interested in the consensus \n>as to how a god might judge men.  As a catholic, I was told that a jew,\n>buddhist, etc. might go to heaven, but obviously some people do not\n>believe this.  Even more see atheists and pagans (I assume I would be \n>lumped into this category) to be hellbound.  I know you believe only\n>god can judge, and I do not ask you to, just for your opinions.\n\nOk, god has the disclaimer, reserves the right to judge individual\ncases.  If we believe him to be loving, then we also believe him to be\nable to serve justice to all.  Don't worry if a Jew, or athiest is\ngoing to heaven or hell, for that is god to judge (although truly\nif you were concerned you could only worry abput those who refuse to\nbelieve\/satisfy gods decrees) as much as keeping yourself straight.\nIf you see something going on that is wrong, discuss it and explore it\nbefore making summary judgement.  People have enough free will to choose\nfor themselves, so don't force choices on them, just inform them\nof what they're choices are.  God will take care of the rest in his justice.\n\n>Thanks,\n>-Tim\n--\nMohammad R. Khan                \/    khan0095@nova.gmi.edu\nAfter July '93, please send mail to  mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu\n","1234":"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nDistribution: na\nLines: 62\n\nIn article <C4tsHu.Ew6@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n>: That's all very well and good, but I was refering to all\n>: homocides, not just ones involving handguns (what is this fixation\n>: on death by shooting, as if it were somehow worse than death\n>: by stabbing?)\n\n>What relevance are ALL homicides in this debate?...\n>The issue is guns, not baseball bats.\n\nNo. The issue is reducing crime, not guns. If gun control doesn't\nlower crime overall, then is doesn't address the issue.\n\n>...Even a simpleton knows that\n>he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat...\n\nDoes that matter if assaults with a baseball bat become much\nmore common? Muggers using a gun rely primarily on the\nthreat of the gun, and rarely shoot their victim. A mugger\nusing a knife is much more likely to start by stabbing his victim \nin an effort incapacitate him. So, while a knif may not\nbe as deadly as a gun, criminals are more likely to actually\n_use_ the knife (as opposed to threatening the victim with it.)\nIt isn't at all clear that replacing the criminal's gun with a\nknife would reduce murders. Stabbings might just become more\ncommon. That's why it is important to look at the overall\n(not the with-gun) homicide rate. It avoids the issue of\nsubstitution, different criminal techinques of using different\nweapons, etc... and measures what we want to prevent: Murders.\n\n>As for knives, see my earlier post.  I'd much rather face a knife\n>than a gun, thanks.  \n\n\"Face\"? Possibly. However, facing knife-welding attackers isn't\ntoo common: Stabbing without warning and by supprise is the\nusual tactic. Very few criminals shoot from cover: It attracts\nto much attention and they don't have a chance to go through your\npockets. Overall, I'd much rather be threatened with a gun\nthan actually stabbed with a knife.\n\n>...Fortunately, the best defense against a knife isn't\n>another knife.  Anyone trained in unarmed self-defense won't have\n>much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife\n>assault (which probably means 99.9% of knife assailants).\n\nActually, the exact same statement is true of guns: Training in\nunarmed self-defence will let you disarm an untrained gunman \nwithout much problem.\n\nYou also ignore the criminal's reaction: The National Crime\nSurvey clearly shows that criminals (unarmed, armed with a\nknife, gun or whatever) are unwilling to risk their lives\nin a confrontation. If faced with a serious threat, almost\nall prefer to leave and find an easier target. Therefore,\nusing (or threatening to use, as is much more commonly the case)\na weapon _is_ the best defence against an attacker, regardless\nof how he is armed. Knives, however, are much less effective\nthan guns: Criminals don't consider knifes as a \"serious threat\"\nnearly as often as they do guns.\n\n                                              Frank Crary\n                                              CU Boulder\n\n","1235":"From: rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter)\nSubject: Re: Multi-screen apps and window managers\nOrganization: ELIN Energeanwendung Ges.m.b.H\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sun3.eeam.elin.co.at\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\n: ========================================================================\n: Jo Pelkey                                   Phone: (509)375-6947\n: Battelle Pacific Northwest Labs             Fax:   (509)375-3641\n: Mail Stop K7-22                             Email: je_pelkey@pnl.gov\n: P.O. Box 999\n: Richland, WA  99352\n: ========================================================================\n\nHi Jo,\n\nI'm also interested in your questions, so if you get any\nanswers via email and not via repost please let me know.\n\nThanks, rainer.\n\n-- \nRainer Hochreiter                | Telephone: +43 (1) 89100 \/ 3961\nELIN-Energieanwendung GesmbH     | Telefax  : +43 (1) 89100 \/ 3387\nPenzingerstr. 76                 |\nA-1141 Wien, Austria\/Europe      | E-mail   : rainer@elin.co.at\n","1236":"From: Bob.Stettina@fquest.FidoNet.Org (Bob Stettina)\nSubject: NEW AIRCRAFT TU-154M\nLines: 42\n\n\n DJ> Subject: New aircraft TU-154M for leasing, set spare parts.\n>>>>>Category: Offers to leasing >>>>Headline: New Aircraft TU-154M\n>>>>\n>>>>Mr. Director Agabalaevich:\n>>>>\n>>>>BTW, are these guys out of their [....] minds, or was\n>>>>our propaganda so effective that they believe some\n>>>>netters could actually buy such stuff and land in\n>>>>their driveway? Too much soda pop, too quick...\n>>>\n>>Go look up Tu 154M, it should be in most AIRLINER hand-books.\n>>\n>>\n>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n DJ> ~~\n>>Sgt. D.J. Morton                        Environmental Resource Sciences\n>>Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment     Trent University\n>>                                        Peterborough, Ontario\n>>                                        K9J 7B8  Canada\n DJ> There are a few things wrong with the potential sale of this \n DJ> aircraft: \n\n DJ> There is starting to be a glut of new aircraft on the market\n DJ> (Airlines are taking delivery, then mothballing their new \n DJ> planes). \n\n DJ> Unless the fuel efficiency is better than the Airbus 320 or \n DJ> Boeing 767, this plane is not economically feasible for the \n DJ> major players (airlines). Unless the price is real cheap, and \n DJ> you have an owner that doesn't care about fuel economy (Saudi \n DJ> Family, maybe??) sales ought to be pretty glim. \n\nUmmm...\n\nI'd be surprised if you couldn't find a gov't aid program to\nsubsidize and\/or underwrite the lease...  that could make it\nquite an attractive arrangement...\n\nBizarre?  Yes.  Impossible?  Not really...\n\n... Life is like... an analogy!  Yeah!  That's the ticket!\n","1237":"From: ebd@fang.att.com (Elliot B Dierksen)\nSubject: Help with DTK I\/O Plus II card needed\nReply-To: e.dierksen@att.com (Elliot Dierksen)\nOrganization: AT&T Tax Systems Development, Maitland FL\nLines: 36\n\nI am trying to help a friend of mine get the second serial port on his DTK\nI\/O Plus II card working and it does not want to cooperate. The documentation\nis no help at all. As an example, it says 'The serial port can be changed to\nCOM2 from COM1 by moving jumpers.' but does not say what jumpers to move!! :-(\n\nThere are 2 banks of jumpers. The first one is labeled as follows:\nC1\nC2\nS2\nP2\nP1\nG\n\nThe second bank is labeled \"IRQ\" and has the following labels:\n5C\n5S\n4\n3\n3S\n2C\n2S\n\nI have determined that the C1 & C2 jumpers tell it to address the first\nserial port as COM1 or COM2. The P1,P2 jumpers tell it to use the printer\nport as LPT1 or LPT2. I am guessing that the \"G\" enables the game port and\nthe \"S2\" SHOULD enable the second serial port, but I can't get it to work. I\nhave tried numerous setting on the IRQ bank without success. I assume that\nthis bank must tell the card which IRQ's to use for both ports, but I don;t\nknow how.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!\n\nEBD\n-- \nElliot Dierksen   \"Is that a real poncho... I mean is that a Mexican poncho or\n                   is that a Sears  poncho?  Hmmm... no foolin'...\" -- F. Zappa\n\nW) e.dierksen@att.com  (407) 660-3377     H) elliot@alfred.UUCP  (407) 290-9744\n","1238":"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <1qla0g$afp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n>In article <115565@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n\n>|> >I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which\n>|> >ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim\n>|> >community in the Uk and elsewhere.\n\n>|> Grow up, childish propagandist.\n\n>Gregg, I'm really sorry if having it pointed out that in practice\n>things aren't quite the wonderful utopia you folks seem to claim\n>them to be upsets you..\n\nYou have done no such thing.\n\n\n>BBCI was an example of an Islamically owned and operated bank -\n>what will someone bet me they weren't \"real\" Islamic owners and\n>operators?\n\nAn Islamic bank is a bank which operates according to the rules\nof Islam in regard to banking. This is done explicitly by the\nbank. This was not the case with BCCI.\n\n>And why did these naive depositors put their life savings into\n>BCCI rather than the nasty interest-motivated western bank down\n>the street?   \n\nThis is crap. BCCI was motivated by the same motives as other\ninternational banks, with perhaps an emphasis on dealing with\noutlaws and the intelligence services of various governments.\n\n>So please don't try to con us into thinking that it will all \n>work out right next time.\n\nBack to childish propaganda again. You really ought to get a life\nrather than wasting bandwith on such empty typing. There are thousands\nof Islamic banks operating throughout the world which no-one ever hears\nabout. If you want to talk about corrupted banks we can talk about\nall the people who've been robbed by American banks. \n\n\nGregg\n\n\n\n","1239":"From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)\nSubject: Re: pushing the envelope\nOrganization: University of Central Florida\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\n> In <1993Apr3.233154.7045@Princeton.EDU> lije@cognito.Princeton.EDU (Elijah  \nMillgram) writes:\n> \n> \n> A friend of mine and I were wondering where the expression \"pushing\n> the envelope\" comes from.  Anyone out there know?\n> \nEverbody has been defining envelope.\nWhy was the world \"envelope\" chosen, rather than say \"shell\", \nor \"boundary\".  In analogy with the envelopes of airships perhaps?\n\nActually, \"shell\" might be good.  Push the shell too hard and\nit (the aircraft?) breaks. \n--\nThomas Clarke\nInstitute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL\n12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826\n(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu\n","1240":"From: rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Rob Napier)\nSubject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars\nOrganization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 21\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu\n\nIn article <79615@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes:\n>\n>\n>\"To all whom it may concern -\n>\n[constitution sacrificed to the bandwidth gods]\n\nim glad i finally have heard exactly what the OTO is all about.  i finally\nknow that i can stop looking, content i the knowlege that im not interested.\nit's tough enough listening to all the religions who refer to themselves as\n\"the One Truth\".  How can i possibly accept it from a magical order?  \"We have\nall the Answers and will give them to those who join us (and pay dues)?\"\nScary.  Besides, answers are easy.  Questions!  now that's another story...\n\nrintaw\n\n-- \n|------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Rob Napier - Virginia Tech | There is no gravity, the earth sucks.          |\n| rnapier@csugrad.cs.vt.edu  | All in all I'm just another Schitz In The Hall |\n|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n","1241":"From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)\nSubject: Re: New to Motorcycles...\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, Language Analysis Center\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: kin.lap.upenn.edu\n\nIn article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:\n:>Curtis JAckson pens...\n:>\n:>\"MSF course...$140\"\n:\n:Shyah!\n:\n:The one here only costs $35!\n:\n:(Izzat a deal or what?! :)\n\n\nThey are free in Philadelphia....   :-)\n\n-- \n   '81 CB650 \t\t\t\t\t\tDoD #1224\n\n\t   I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!\n","1242":"From: ccastco@prism.gatech.EDU (Constantinos Malamas)\nSubject: Re: More Cool BMP files??\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 31\n\n>In article <1993Apr17.023017.17301@gmuvax2.gmu.edu> rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu writes:\n> > Hi, everybody:\n> >     I guess my subject has said it all.  It is getting boring\n> > looking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows.  So,\n> > I am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file\n> > I can share.  Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for\n> > some bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files,\n> > etc....  I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all.\n>Eric\n\n\tHmmm, let's see: I could upload some .BMP files (I have around 15\nb\/w and color ones), but I'd rather give you the fishing pole instead of the\nfish:Here it goes:  \n      Begginers guide to the coolest Windows backgrounds:\nStep 1: ftp to cica (ftp.cica.indiana.edu user:anonymous passwd: guest)\ncd to pub\/pc\/win3\/(util?desktop?) and get one of these : wingif14.zip,\npspro??.zip gws?????.zip . They will scale, dither and convert GIFs to BMPs.\nget the index file from the win3 subdir too for future reference...\nStep 2: ftp to wuarchive.wustl.edu or plaza.aarnet.edu.au or archive.orst.edu\nand cd to graphics\/gif GET THE INDEX FILE... Now GigaBytes of pictures\nare waiting to become your desktop... \nAdvice: If you have a slow computer (<486DX w\/4MB RAM), make your bg b\/w\nby selecting b\/w dither in any of the abovementioned apps..\nHope it helps...\n\n\n-- \nCostas Malamas ____________________________________________________________\nGeorgia Institute of Technology \nOIT UA -- Opinions expressed are not necessarily OIT's... \nInternet: ccastco@prism.gatech.edu\n","1243":"From: plarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen)\nSubject: Re: Canada 3 Sweden 1 at the World Champioships\nNntp-Posting-Host: sanjuan.uvic.ca\nOrganization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <20APR199319243244@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca> white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca (Take me Baby!) writes:\n>\n>\tToday at the World Championships in Munich, Canada scored an \n>impressive 3-1 victory over the defending World Champs, Sweden. \n\nI believe that was 4-1.  Rod Brind-Amour scored at 19.59 of the third.\n\n>\n>Kevin White\n>white@venus.cc.hollandc.pe.ca \n\n\n--\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nP. Allen Larsen                                           University of Victoria\nplarsen@sanjuan.uvic.ca\n","1244":"From: gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV\/MC)\nSubject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ?\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 31\n\nkasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes:\n\n>wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes:\n\n\n\n>>   Hey,\n\n>>   could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse\n>>   in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use\n>>   MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any\n>>   routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations.\n\n>>   Thanks for your efforts,\n\n>>     Oliver\n>>-- \n>> NAME : O.Kretzschmar                      Inst.IKE \/ University Stuttgart\n>> PHONE: +49 711 685 2130                           Pfaffenwaldring 31\n>> FAX  : +49 711 685 2010                            7000 Stuttgart 80\n>> EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de\n\n>Very simple.  You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS\n>before you run Windows.  Note that you don't need to have these files loaded\n>to use the mouse in Windows.\n\nOne addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody.  For my\n(Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the\ndriver that came with Windows (Version 8.20).  8.1 didn't allow me to do\nit for some reason.\n\n","1245":"From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka)\nSubject: Re: \"Accepting Jeesus in your heart...\"\nOrganization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.\nLines: 65\n\nIn <Apr.13.00.08.15.1993.28388@athos.rutgers.edu> jayne@mmalt.guild.org writes:\n> gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes:\n> \n>> Firstly, I am an atheist. I am not posting here as an immature flame\n>> start, but rather to express an opinion to my intended audience.\n>[deleted] \n>> \n>> We are _just_ animals.  We need sleep, food, and we reproduce.  And we\n>> die.      \n> \n> I am glad that I am not an atheist.  It seems tragic that some people \n> choose a meaningless existence.  How terrible to go on living only \n> because one fears death more than life.\n\n      ?Huh? Okay, so I'm not Eric Molas, but even if that _is_ how he\nfeels about life, I disagree with it.\n\n      Life, to me, is definitely NOT meaningless; it has precisely the\npurpose and meaning I choose to give it. I go on living because I _like_\nliving; if I needed any further reason, I'd be free - completely free! -\nto pick any reason that suited me. That freedom can be almost\nintoxicating; it's probably the closest I've ever been to a 'religious'\nexperience. I'm *very* glad I am an atheist; I wouldn't be anything\nelse.\n\n> I feel so sorry for Eric and \n> yet any attempts to share my joy in life with him would be considered as \n> further evidence of the infectious nature of Christianity.    \n\n      Not unless, in explaining your own subjective experience, you also\ntry to convert him or proselytize. Merely explaining the effects you\npersonally experience religion as having on you, is not \"infectious\".\nNot unless Eric is paranoid, that is. ;->\n\n> As a Christian I am free to be a human person.  I think, love, choose, \n> and create.  I will live forever with God.\n\n      Whatever floats your goat. You sound happy enough; that's fairly\nmuch all that matters, right?\n\n> Christ is not a kind of drug.  Drugs are a replacement for Christ.  \n\n      Erh... Pardon, but it strikes me that sentence sounds reversible.\n\n> Those who have an empty spot in the God-shaped hole in their hearts must \n> do something to ease the pain.\n\n      \"Empty spot\"? \"God-shaped hole\"? I hear such things a lot from\ntheists; never quite did understand what they were talking about.\nI have no such 'emptiness' or 'hole'. Maybe some others do, I wouldn't\nknow; but I don't, and if I did, I'd seek help about it. Doesn't sound\nlike a mentally healthy situation at all, walking around with a 'hole'\nin oneself.\n\n> Thank you, Eric for your post.  It has helped me to appreciate how much \n> God has blessed me.  I hope that you will someday have a more joy-filled \n> and abundant life.\n\n      Well, not having written that original post, I don't know if it\nwas intended to be interpreted in such a way; but, having reread it\ncarefully, I somewhat doubt it. At least, that's not how he gets across\nto _me_, your mileage may vary...\n\n-- \n  Disclaimer?   \"It's great to be young and insane!\"\n","1246":"From: wiggs@stsci.edu (Michael S. Wiggs)\nSubject: Ignition kill\nOrganization: Space Telescope Science Institute\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 8\n\n\nI just wanted to thank all the netters out there who either\nposted a response or sent e-mail regarding my ignition kill\nquestion. Now that I know how simple a procedure it is, it\nlooks like I'll be paying my local Pep Boys a visit this\nweekend....\n\n-Mik\n","1247":"From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)\nSubject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.\nNntp-Posting-Host: corolla18\nOrganization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group\nLines: 44\n\nIn article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:\n|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, \n|get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your \n|whining.\n|\n|Fine.\n|\n|Fuck off too.\n|\n|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago,\n|and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me.\n|\n|And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've\n|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit)\n|and my cousin is still recovering.\n|\n|No, I can't take back what happened.\n|\n|Yes, it was stupid.\n|\n|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're\n|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion.\n\nHey, man, you brought it up.  I agree completely, driving drunk is really\nstupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it.  But\nDWI is endemic in our society.  It is a REAL problem.  And we, as \nmotorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk\ndriver.  (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI\naccident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life \nof one of the participants, as I reported here.)  Also, drunk driving by\nmotorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the\ninsurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public\nagainst those of us who ride responsibly.\n\nIn my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.\nIt is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,\nbut a genuine safety issue.  So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,\nadmitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the \nconsequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.\n\nDave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | \"I'm getting tired of\n90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.\n84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn.\"\nAMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth \"Bruiser\" Dixon\n","1248":"From: starowl@bolero.rahul.net (Michael D. Adams)\nSubject: Re: How many heterosexuals are there?\nNntp-Posting-Host: bolero\nReply-To: starowl@a2i.rahul.net\nX-Header: IGNORE ignore Ignore IgNoRe this line\nOrganization: D Service Actuarial Consulting\nLines: 11\n\nkaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis) writes:\n\n>_TOO_ many.\n\nAgreed.  We need more folks to admit they're bi.\n\n-- \nMichael D. Adams\t(starowl@a2i.rahul.net)\t  Champaign, IL \/ southeast AL\n\n   \"THRUSH believes in the two-party system: The masters and the slaves.\"\n\t\t-- Napoleon Solo (from The Man from U.N.C.L.E)\n","1249":"From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan)\nSubject: Re: chronic sinus and antibiotics\nKeywords: sinus, antibiotics, antibacterial\nNntp-Posting-Host: pcdehp\nOrganization: Calvin College\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1qk708INNa12@mojo.eng.umd.edu> georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark) writes:\n>You can also swab the inside of your nose with Bacitracin using a\n>Q tip. Bacitracin is an antibiotic that can be bought OTC as an\n>ointment in a tube. The doctor I listen to on the radio says to apply\n>it for 30 days, while you are taking other antibiotics by mouth.\n\nI have a new doctor who gave me a prescription today for something called \nSeptra DS.  He said it may cause GI problems and I have a sensitive stomach \nto begin with.  Anybody ever taken this antibiotic.  Any good?  Suggestions \nfor avoiding an upset stomach?  Other tips?\n\n\n       Phil de Haan (DoD #0578) Why yes.  That is my 1974 Honda CL360.\n=============================================================================\n  \"That's the nature of being an executive in America.  You have to rely on\n    other people to do something you used to do yourself.\" -- Donald Fehr,\n        executive director, Major League Baseball Players Association.\n=============================================================================\n","1250":"From: pat@wrs.com (Patrick Boylan)\nSubject: 1985.5 Porsche 944\nKeywords: porsche 944\nLines: 69\nNntp-Posting-Host: delaware\nReply-To: pat@wrs.com\nOrganization: Wind River Systems\nDistribution: usa\n\n\n1985.5 Porsche 944\n\n    - Turbo trim (spoilers)\n    - graphite black\n    - all around excellent condition\n    - removable factory sunroof\n    - leather interior\n    - new A\/C\n    - new timing belt\n    - bra\n    - 90k miles\n\n$9900 OBO\n\n- Patrick\n\n-- \n Patrick Boylan, - Wind River Systems, Alameda, CA - pat@wrs.com\n","1251":"From: decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <EDM.93Apr15104322@gocart.twisto.compaq.com>, edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary) writes:\n> >>>>> On Thu, 15 Apr 1993 04:54:38 GMT, bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) said:\n> \n> DLB> \tFirst I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian.  It \n> DLB> makes sense to be one.  Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, \n> DLB>lunatic, or the real thing?  (I might be a little off on the title, but he \n> DLB>writes the book.  Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, \n> DLB> in the process he became a Christian himself.\n> \n> Here we go again...\n\nJust the friendly folks at Christian Central, come to save you.\n\n","1252":"From: bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB)\nSubject: Re: Why VESA Local-Bus ????\nOrganization: New Mexico State University, Las Cruces, NM\nLines: 20\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dante.nmsu.edu\n\nguyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes:\n>How about an VLB ethernet card? Move the data into the card at\n>130 odd MB\/s and then wait for it to tickle onto the net at\n>just over 1Mb\/s.\nHow about 250MB\/s for 64-bit VLB or 350MB\/s for QuickRing {Apple's\nimplimentation of VLB (Byte 10\/92:132)} QuickRing is interesting in that\nit allows interleaving with other card so that the 350MB\/s can be divided \namong many cards at the same time {NuBus 90 and MCA are about the only card \ninterfaces able to DO anything with that kind of speed and even NuBus 90\nditzes around at ~30MB\/s with a burst mode: 80MB\/s.\n\"MCA {Also called Micro Channel}\n IBM's 16 and 32-bit bus; \"allows use of more than one CPU in a computer\" \n (DCT) and anything can talk to anything, >>as fast as the two components \n involved can handle it.<< Never took off because it was incompatible with ISA \n and EISA.  Planned to be bus interface of IBM PowerPC 601 (Carl Jabido).\n\nIDA can't handle VLB speed never mind QuickRings's speed so it is out.\nEISA pokes along at NuBus Mac II speeds {~15MB\/s burst mode: 33MB\/s}\n so VLB and QuickRing are slowed down by it.\nPCI is a competing interface that is still in development.\n","1253":"From: tfs@gravity.gmu.edu (Tim Scanlon)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nSummary: Whatever...\nKeywords: Hmm...\nOrganization:  George Mason University, Fairfax Va.\nDistribution: world \nExpires: 06\/31\/93 \nLines: 65\n\n\n\n\tAfter reading the debate over the Clipper, I have a few things to\nadd.\n\n\tFirst, most of the people I know who activly use encryption\nprivately do not care about most of the issues that surround this debate,\nand any questions about what is or is not ok to use in the US. All they\ncare about is wether or not what they are using is secure or not. That,\nafter all IS the bottom line. \n\n\tSecond, if I look at all the people I know who use any form\nof encryption at all, and this group spans people from the morons who\nstill insist that the DES is a good and secure standard, to people \nlooking at trying to improve upon existing strategies, I can not think\nof anyone of them who would approve blindly of a strategy that leaves\ntheir methods open to abuse. The Clipper does this, because people make\nmistakes by nature, and the US government is made up of people who are\njust as vulnerable to mistakes as everyone else. \n\n\tThird, since most of the people I know are at least marginaly\nfamiliar with the vulnerabilities present in current software encryption\nstratigies, I can't see how most of them are going to blindly trust that\nsomeone will not figure out a good way to compromise the Clipper Chip.\nThat despite any strengths or weaknesses that may exist in it. So, I can \nnot see a high degree of confidence developing in the chip.\n\n\tFourth, when it comes to criminal abuse, sure there are many stupid\npeople out there. And yes, some will be open to being caught via the \nbuilt in back door of the Clipper Chip. However, anyone who is going to\ndo any serious investigation of how best to secure their data is going\nto run into that problem pretty damned fast and, I would assume, start\nlooking around for other easily obtainible methods of encryption. \n\n\n\tIf nothing else were avalible, none of this would be an issue. However,\nthe truth is that most private encryption users that I've ever run into\nsimply do not give a damn about the legal status of RSA or PGP or anything\nelse. If it works, they use it. This is not going to change either. I do\nnot think for a moment that anyone with serious criminal intent will be\nslowed down by the advent of the Clipper Chip. It is all to easy to \nconvert encrypted data into unintellgible garbage as it is, if anything,\nthe Clipper Chip just adds another tool to the user.\n\n\n\tThe bottom line here is that people will use what works, and\nunavoidibly, I'm sure most criminals would rather face an encryption\nrelated charge than one which could potentialy lead to death penalty\ncharges in the case of criminals who murder as part of their conspiricy.\n\tThe other thing that has struck me since the advent and wide \nuseage of public encryption has begun is that quite simply the cat is\nout of the bag (Or if you have an interest in snooping, Pandora's Box\nhas been opened), and this is not going to change. I've seen a blindness\nto this that I've found utterly stunning, and the Clipper Chip, along\nwith the way it has been presented only confirms this to me to a larger\ndegree.\n\n\n\t\t\tSincerly,\n\n\t\t\tTim Scanlon\n\n-- \n\ntfs@gravity.gmu.edu\n","1254":"From: tomb@hplsla.hp.com (Tom Bruhns)\nSubject: Re: Looking for 900MHz Spread Spectrum Modules\nOrganization: HP Lake Stevens, WA\nLines: 12\n\nbutts@shocker.ee.twsu.edu (Ronald W. Butts, Jr.) writes:\n\n>I am looking for suppliers of 900MHz spread spectrum radio modules. I need \n>to implement a two-way audio band link (essentially the guts of a cordless \n>900MHz phone is what I want.)\n\nThis isn't exactly audio, but take a look in \"RF Design\" magazine,\nApril 93, for the article \"A Robust Signaling Technique for Part 15\nRF Control Netowrk Applications.\"  Page 29.  Sources of parts are\nmentioned; in the same issue is an article that features a chipset\nfor the Digital European Cordless Telecommunications standard.\n\n","1255":"From: jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu (John Munch)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.212943.15118@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes:\n>P.S. I'm not sure about this but I think the charge of \"shatim\" also\n>applies to Rushdie and may be encompassed under the umbrella\n>of the \"fasad\" ruling.\n\nPlease define the words \"shatim\" and \"fasad\" before you use them again.\n\n\/---- John David Munch ------------------ jmunch@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu ----\\\n|....\" the heart can change, be full of hate, or love. If people are allowed|\n|to base their lives through their hearts, anything can happen. A dangerous |\n|situation, in my opinion.\" -Bobby Mozumder describing problems with atheism|\n","1256":"Subject: Hal McRae\nFrom: rbd@flash.ece.uc.edu (Bobby Davis)\nOrganization: University of Cincinnati\nNNTP-Posting-Host: flash.ece.uc.edu\nLines: 18\n\nDAK988S@vma.smsu.edu writes:\n>No....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball.\n\nI haven't seen enough Royals' games to judge his tactics, so you may have\na point here.  But:\n\n>I've never seen a guy who can waste talent like he can.  One of the best\n>raw-talent staffs in the league, and he's still finding a way to lose.\n\nIMO, the Royals don't have a chance to win the pennant even if McRae\nsuddenly began channeling for John McGraw.  OK, they have some decent\npitchers.  But when your offense consists of bums like Gagne and Lind\nand McReynolds and McRae and an over-the-hill Brett, you're not going\nto finish .500 unless McGraw brings Christy Mathewson back with him.\n\nI'd say it is hard to evaluate a manager when all of his hitters suck.\n\nBob Davis\trbd@thor.ece.uc.edu\n","1257":"From: griffin@camelot.bradley.edu (Mark Valentine)\nSubject: HELP: 20ma current loop to RS232 converter needed.\nSummary: I need a device that will convert 20ma current loop to RS232.\nKeywords: 20,current,loop,converter,rs232\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: Bradley University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 10\n\n\n\tWhere can I buy or build a device that will convert 20 ma\ncurrent loop signals to RS232 voltages?  I know some old terminals\ncame with that option, but none of the ones I own have that.  Anyway,\nI want to connect a computer to this old industrial computer to use\nthe computer with communications software as a console instead of\nan old DecWriter.  Please e-mail me if you have any info that would\npoint me in the right direction.  \n\n\n","1258":"From: holthaus@news.weeg.uiowa.edu (James R. Holthaus)\nSubject: Cryptology in the world\nKeywords: cryptology international restrictions\nOrganization: University of Iowa, Iowa City, IA, USA\nLines: 10\n\nWhat is the status of cruptology for private citizens throughout the\nworld? or, more clearly, is there a listing of countries and their\npolicies on citizens encrypting electronic data?  \n\nI'm curious how the Europeans handle this, for instance.\n-- \n<><><><><><><><><><>James Holthaus  james-holthaus@uiowa.edu<><><><><><><><><>\n<   Government is an association of men who do violence to the rest of us.   >\n<             -- Leo Tolstoy                                                 >\n<><><><><>PGP 2.2 Public key available on request or from key server<><><><><>\n","1259":"From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nReply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)\nOrganization: Edinburgh University\nLines: 12\n\nQuoting pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) in article <1993Apr21.012011.27470@shearson.com>:\n>Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem?\n\nHow fast do the fastest modems go?\n\nHow far can voice be compressed?\n\nI've seen various assertions about this, but anyone with the\nstraightforward bits-per-second figures will be my friend forever...\n  __                                  _____\n\\\/ o\\ Paul Crowley   pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\\\ \/\/\n\/\\__\/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \\X\/  Fold a fish for Jesus!\n","1260":"From: gunnarh@dhhalden.no (GUNNAR HORRIGMO)\nSubject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.\nLines: 25\nNntp-Posting-Host: pc109\nOrganization: Ostfold College\n\nIn article <sehari.735331566@marge.ecss.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:\n\n>I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how\n>effective are they?  Has anyone have any experience in this area?\n>\n>                      With highest regards,\n>                           Babak   Sehari.\n\nOne of the easiest, and really very used ways of copyprotection, is to mark \na specific sector on the installation disk bad. This is very easy to get \naround, though, if you have any knowledge of hw-hacking, but most 'normal' \nusers (yes those lowly key-punchers) don't. Whatever you do, please do \n_not_ use a hardware key. These were very popular a few years ago, and they \nSTINK!!\n\nMAIL-mail: gunnarh@sofus.dhhalden.no    SNAIL-mail: Gunnar Horrigmo\n           gunnarh@fenris.dhhalden.no               Oskleiva 17\n                                                    N-1772 Norway\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nDisclaimer: The above posting may seem like insignificant rubbish at \nfirst glance, but if you read between the lines, you will be \nsurprised to discover the annals of Burt Bacharach, world peace, \nOxford Advanced Readers Dictionary, quantum physics made easy, and an \neasy-to-use step-by-step walkthrough on how to make a time travelling \ndevice that actually works.\n","1261":"From: bernard@sirius.gte.com (Bernard Silver)\nSubject: Re: Bill Conklin (et al) 's letter\n\t<1993Apr3.231858.27507@midway.uchicago.edu>\nOrganization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated\nLines: 27\nIn-reply-to: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu's message of 3 Apr 93 23:18:58 GMT\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.231858.27507@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n   In article <1993Apr3.223215.20655@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes:\n   >\tWell, the two nifty letters giving concrete proof that the\n   >Income Tax is voluntary and giving specific procedures for stopping\n   >withholding, et cetera have been out there for a while now.\n   >\tThere has been no refutation to date. Have the nay-sayers\n   >finally given up as defeated? Sure would like to hear there reasons\n   >for disbelief at this point.\n\n   Probably because you have yet to respond to the refutation I've posted.\n   Teel, it's bad enough you post this bs, it's even worse that you don't\n   even try to defend it when it gets torn to pieces, but then posting\n   that no one's looked at it and gloating when all facts point to the\n   contrary point to a severely deluded mind.\n\nWhat I found interesting about Conklin's letter is the \n6 cases he has won against the IRS.  Now, assuming that\nthese cases really exist and were one by him (anyone checked?)\nthey may have nothing to do with his major tax claim.  The IRS fought\none of his deductions.   Defending your deductions seems puny when\nyou believe that there is no need to file in the first place!\n\n--\n\t\t\t\tBernard Silver\n\t\t\t\tGTE Laboratories\n\t\t\t\tbsilver@gte.com\n\t\t\t\t(617) 466-2663\n","1262":"From: weisberg@ee.rochester.edu (Jeff Weisberg)\nSubject: Problem: R5 server hangs on Sun3\nSummary: annoying problem, server hangs\nKeywords: X11R5pl22, sun3, bw2, 4.1.1, gcc-2.3.3, Xsun, Vernal Equinox\nOrganization: Univ. of Rochester, Dept. of Electrical Engineering\nLines: 19\n\n\nI recently compiled the X11R5pl22 sources using gcc-2.3.3 on\na Sun3\/80. Everything seems to work fine. Usually. But at\nseemingly random times the server will just hang. I will\nclick the mouse somewhere (never happens while my back is turned),\nand without warning, it will freeze there, requiring the server\nto be killed. Sometimes it will run fine for weeks, sometimes\nonly for minutes.\n\n(Os: 4.1.1; frame buffer: bw2).\n\nHas anyone seen this before, any ideas? (anything at all?)\n\nthanks,\n\t--jeff\n\n---\nJeff Weisberg  |  weisberg@ee.rochester.edu   |    Real Cherries,\n               |  ur-valhalla!weisberg        |        Watch for pits!\n","1263":"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)\nSubject: Re: DC-X update???\nOrganization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow\nLines: 122\n\nIn article <ugo62B8w165w@angus.mi.org> dragon@angus.mi.org writes:\n\n>Exactly when will the hover test be done, \n\nEarly to mid June.\n\n>and will any of the TV\n>networks carry it.  I really want to see that...\n\nIf they think the public wants to see it they will carry it. Why not\nwrite them and ask? You can reach them at:\n\n\n                          F: NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA\n\n\nABC \"World News Tonight\"                 \"Face the Nation\"\n7 West 66th Street                       CBS News\nNew York, NY 10023                       2020 M Street, NW\n212\/887-4040                             Washington, DC 20036\n                                         202\/457-4321\n\nAssociated Press                         \"Good Morning America\"\n50 Rockefeller Plaza                     ABC News\nNew York, NY 10020                       1965 Broadway\nNational Desk (212\/621-1600)             New York, NY 10023\nForeign Desk (212\/621-1663)              212\/496-4800\nWashington Bureau (202\/828-6400)\n                                         Larry King Live TV\n\"CBS Evening News\"                       CNN\n524 W. 57th Street                       111 Massachusetts Avenue, NW\nNew York, NY 10019                       Washington, DC 20001\n212\/975-3693                             202\/898-7900\n\n\"CBS This Morning\"                       Larry King Show--Radio\n524 W. 57th Street                       Mutual Broadcasting\nNew York, NY 10019                       1755 So. Jefferson Davis Highway\n212\/975-2824                             Arlington, VA 22202\n                                         703\/685-2175\n\"Christian Science Monitor\"\nCSM Publishing Society                   \"Los Angeles Times\"\nOne Norway Street                        Times-Mirror Square\nBoston, MA 02115                         Los Angeles, CA 90053\n800\/225-7090                             800\/528-4637\n\nCNN                                      \"MacNeil\/Lehrer NewsHour\"\nOne CNN Center                           P.O. Box 2626\nBox 105366                               Washington, DC 20013\nAtlanta, GA 30348                        703\/998-2870\n404\/827-1500\n                                         \"MacNeil\/Lehrer NewsHour\"\nCNN                                      WNET-TV\nWashington Bureau                        356 W. 58th Street\n111 Massachusetts Avenue, NW             New York, NY 10019\nWashington, DC 20001                     212\/560-3113\n202\/898-7900\n\n\"Crossfire\"                              NBC News\nCNN                                      4001 Nebraska Avenue, NW\n111 Massachusetts Avenue, NW             Washington, DC 20036\nWashington, DC 20001                     202\/885-4200\n202\/898-7951                             202\/362-2009 (fax)\n\n\"Morning Edition\/All Things Considered\"  \nNational Public Radio                    \n2025 M Street, NW                        \nWashington, DC 20036                     \n202\/822-2000                             \n\nUnited Press International\n1400 Eye Street, NW\nWashington, DC 20006\n202\/898-8000\n\n\"New York Times\"                         \"U.S. News & World Report\"\n229 W. 43rd Street                       2400 N Street, NW\nNew York, NY 10036                       Washington, DC 20037\n212\/556-1234                             202\/955-2000\n212\/556-7415\n\n\"New York Times\"                         \"USA Today\"\nWashington Bureau                        1000 Wilson Boulevard\n1627 Eye Street, NW, 7th Floor           Arlington, VA 22229\nWashington, DC 20006                     703\/276-3400\n202\/862-0300\n\n\"Newsweek\"                               \"Wall Street Journal\"\n444 Madison Avenue                       200 Liberty Street\nNew York, NY 10022                       New York, NY 10281\n212\/350-4000                             212\/416-2000\n\n\"Nightline\"                              \"Washington Post\"\nABC News                                 1150 15th Street, NW\n47 W. 66th Street                        Washington, DC 20071\nNew York, NY 10023                       202\/344-6000\n212\/887-4995\n\n\"Nightline\"                              \"Washington Week In Review\"\nTed Koppel                               WETA-TV\nABC News                                 P.O. Box 2626\n1717 DeSales, NW                         Washington, DC 20013\nWashington, DC 20036                     703\/998-2626\n202\/887-7364\n\n\"This Week With David Brinkley\"\nABC News\n1717 DeSales, NW\nWashington, DC 20036\n202\/887-7777\n\n\"Time\" magazine\nTime Warner, Inc.\nTime & Life Building\nRockefeller Center\nNew York, NY 10020\n212\/522-1212\n\n-- \n+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Lady Astor:   \"Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!\"   |\n| W. Churchill: \"Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it.\"             |\n+----------------------57 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+\n","1264":"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Jemison on Star Trek (Better Ideas)\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <1993Apr25.154449.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n|\n|Better idea for use of NASA Shuttle Astronauts and Crew is have them be found\n|lost in space after a accident with a worm hole or other space\/time glitch..\n|\n|Maybe age Jemison a few years (makeup and such) and have her as the only\n>survivour of a failed shuttle mission that got lost.. \n\n\nOf course that asumes the mission was able to launch :-)\n\n","1265":"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: sgi\nLines: 40\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\n\nIn article <1qlvh1$fh0@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n|> In article <1qkn25$k@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n|> \n|> #Do you mean it's moral to use force on someone who advocates\n|> #the use of force?\n|> \n|> With a few provisos, yes.  Minimum force, for a start. And, it\n|> depends on what is being forced (on either side).   \n|> \n|> #Or do you mean that sometimes we have to use force on such\n|> #people out of necessity or self-defence, while recognizing\n|> #that our own actions in doing so are not moral?\n|> \n|> My opinion is that our actions would be moral, and it would be\n|> immoral not to act if action would be both necessary and effective.  \n|> Again, there many caveats and provisios.\n|> \n|> Note, my usage of \"my opinion\" is an admission that I don't have a lock\n|> on morals, not that there is no truth about morality to have a lock on.\n\nYou're admitting a lot more than that.  You are admitting that\nyour morals are situational.   You are admitting that the actions\nof other people and the situation you are in help to determine\nhow you judge the moral significance of one of your own actions.\n\nIf you employ X degree of force, that's not moral, but if you employ\nX degree of force, but previously someone else has employed Y degree\nof force, and the situation is thus-and-so, that *is* moral.\n\nThis is quite different from saying \"Employing force on other people\nis immoral, period.   Unfortunately, from time to time we are obliged\nto do this immoral thing for reasons of self-preservation, and so\nwe have to bear the moral consequences of that.\n\nFor what it's worth - and yes, I know you claim to be an agnostic -\nit's this ability to re-label things from \"immoral\" to \"moral\" \nthat I find one of the *least* attractive qualities of the religious\nmind.\n\njon.\n","1266":"From: ds0007@medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba)\nSubject: Re: JUDAS, CRUCIFIXION, TYRE, Etc...\nNntp-Posting-Host: bass.pace.medtronic.com\nOrganization: Medtronic, Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 43\n\nDavid Joslin (joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu) wrote:\n: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes:\n: >Based on the amount of E-Mail from fellow Christians who have read the\n: >posts and told me I was wasting my time with Butler and Joslin, I told\n: >them I wasn't doing it for DB or  DJ but for other Christians.  They\n: >have told me that DB's and DJ's arguments won't convince most Bible\n: >studying Christians.  So I have reevaluated my purpose here and it's\n: >also contributed to my decision.\n\n: So most Bible-studying Christians won't be convinced by my arguments? \n: And this is supposed to be a Good Thing, I presume?\n\nWhere does this \"Most Bible studying Christians think as Frank\ndoes\" come from.  And what implied \"good\" are you doing for other\nChristians?\n\nAt least some of what you are teaching has been demonstrated as\nwrong.  Has it ever occured to you that you may be doing more harm\nthan good to your fellow Christians?\n\nBTW, I used to think like Frank does.  I went to a fundamentalist\nchurch for a while.  I didn't start to really think about what\nthey were saying until I noticed a \"God's Science\" phamphlet\nthere.  I read it and noticed that the authors of it knew virtually\nnothing about Science.  I asked church members some questions about\n\"theories\" from the phamphlet and got only deceptive answers.  I\nbegan to notice a very similar style of \"answers\" for theological\nquestions as well.  The only conclusion I could reach was that\nthese peoples' beliefs about the Bible were about as valid as\ntheir beliefs in their God's Science phamphlet.\n\n: If there are still people out there who think that my purpose here\n: is to \"attack the Bible,\" (an accusation Frank once made) I would point\n: out that I have also criticized people who have posted \"bible\n: contradictions\" that turn out to be silly, out of context, or easily\n: (and legitimately) reconciled.  I'm not attacking the Bible, but \n: intellectual dishonesty *about* the Bible, from either side.\n\nIf one of the primary purposes of Christians is to seek out truth,\nhow can people condemn you for doing this?\n\n--\nDale Skiba\n","1267":"From: srlnjal@grace.cri.nz\nSubject: CorelDraw BITMAP to SCODAL (2)\nOrganization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz\n\n\nYes I am aware CorelDraw exports in SCODAL.\nVersion 2 did it quite well, apart from a\nfew hassles with radial fills. Version 3 RevB\nis better but if you try to export in SCODAL\nwith a bitmap image included in the drawing\nit will say something like \"cannot export\nSCODAL with bitmap\"- at least it does on my\nversion.\n If anyone out there knows a way around this\nI am all ears.\n Temporal images make a product called Filmpak\nwhich converts Autocad plots to SCODAL, postscript\nto SCODAL and now GIF to SCODAL but it costs $650\nand I was just wondering if there was anything out\nthere that just did the bitmap to SCODAL part a tad\ncheaper.\n\nJeff Lyall\nInst.Geo.&.Nuc.Sci.Ltd\nLower Hutt New Zealand\n\n","1268":"From: aron@tikal.ced.berkeley.edu (Aron Bonar)\nSubject: Re: 3d-Studio V2.01 : Any differences with previous version\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 18\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tikal.ced.berkeley.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.021708.13381@hparc0.aus.hp.com>, doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons) writes:\n|> FOMBARON marc (fombaron@ufrima.imag.fr) wrote:\n|> : Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ?\n|> : Thank you for helping\n|> \n|> \n|> No.  As I recall, the only differences are in the 3ds.set parameters - some\n|> of the defaults have changed slightly.  I'll look when I get home and let\n|> you know, but there isn't enough to actually warrant upgrading.\n|> \n|> douginoz\n\nWrong...the major improvements for 2.01 and 2.01a are in the use of IPAS routines\nfor 3d studio.  They have increased in speed anywhere from 30-200% depending\non which ones you use.\n\nAll the Yost group IPAS routines that you can buy separate from the 3d studio\npackage require the use of 2.01 or 2.01a.  They are too slow with 2.00.\n","1269":"Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: Azmi Hashim <AXH113@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Trident VGA Drivers\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C5y66r.FGp@cs.mcgill.ca>, bjcon@cs.mcgill.ca (Brendan NEWMAN) says:\n\n>Hi, I have a trident TVGA-8900 video card and need the updated\n>drivers for Win3.1 where can I get them from an ftp site.\n\n\nI have the same card, TVGA-8900c. When I checked, the latest driver for\nwindows 3.1 is dated Aug. 92 in garbo.uwasa.fi in \/win31\/drivers\/video.\nIf you find a better version (updated) please let me know, Thanks.\n\n\n-Azmi <axh113@psuvm.psu.edu>\n","1270":"From: guykuo@carson.u.washington.edu (Guy Kuo)\nSubject: Re: iisi clock upgrades\nOrganization: University of Washington\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nI've just completed a successful upgrade of a an SI to 27.5 mhz. I'm waiting\non delivery of a 62 mhz clock for a final speed trial. Definitely needed the\nheatsink. The CPU was quite hot to the touch at higher speeds until I glued\non a 90 cent Radio Shack sink. \n\nI made a call for reports of failures last week. No reports have arrived\nhere. Locally, in Seattle there is a reported CPU damage due to the user\nslipping with the iron and putting a gash into the board -- not exactly\na problem due to the CPU running too fast.\n\nI think it would be nice to have a poll to report top speeds and system\nconfigurations including PDS and Nubus cards which were used. I'd be happy\nto coordinate and report results\n\nGuy Kuo <guykuo@u.washington.edu>\n\n","1271":"From: brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood)\nSubject: Re: Would \"clipper\" make a good cover for other encryption method?\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <strnlghtC5t42t.J9B@netcom.com>, strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:\n> \n> Chances are the government has thought of this, and \"just anyone\" won't be\n> permitted access to enough of the internals to make a \"fake\" clipper chip.\n> Chances are that the government has classified some details of the internals\n> at a very high level, and manufacturers are required to observe security\n> safeguards and clearances corresponding to that level.\n\nAssume in this case the usual canard-adversary of narcotraficantes.  They\nprobably have more cash than the KGB did, and they're probably more generous\nat handing it out.  It will be easier than ever to find or cultivate Walkers\nand Pollards for the keys, and it will be easy enough to find someone to\nreverse-engineer the chip (unless the tamper proofing is damned clever and\neffective).\n\nBrad Yearwood     brad@optilink.com     {uunet, pyramid}!optilink!brad\nPetaluma, CA\n\n\n","1272":"From: Chera Bekker <bekker@tn.utwente.nl>\nSubject: WANTED: Xterm emulator for windows 3.1\nKeywords: xterm\nReply-To: bekker@tn.utwente.nl\nOrganization: University of Twente, Enschede, The Netherlands\nLines: 14\n\nHello,\n\nI am looking for a Xterm emulator which runs under windows 3.1.\n\nPlease reply via E-mail.\n\nThanks.\n\nChera Bekker\n--\nH.G. Bekker                                E-mail: bekker@tn.utwente.nl\nFaculty of Applied Physics                 Voice: +3153893107\nUniversity of Twente                       Fax:   +3153354003\nThe Netherlands           \n","1273":"From: johnsd2@rpi.edu (Dan Johnson)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nReply-To: johnsd2@rpi.edu\nOrganization: not Sun Microsystems\nLines: 148\n\nIn article 1328@geneva.rutgers.edu, gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) writes:\n>dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie) writes:\n[deletia- sig]\n>>     p.s.  If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow\n>>it blindly?  \n>>     Do the words \"Question Authority\" mean anything to you?\n>>     I defy any theist to reply.      \n>\n\n[deletia- formalities]\n\nI probably should let this pass, it's not worth the time, and it's not\nreally intended for me. But I couldn't resist. A personal weakness of mine.\nJerkius Kneeus. Tragically incurable.\n\n>The foundation for faith in God is reason, without which the existence\n>of God could not be proven.  That His existence can be proven by reason\n>is indisputable (cf. my short treatise, \"Traditional Proofs for the \n>Existence of God,\" and Summa Theologica).\n\nNot so; I can prove that the existance of God is disputable\nby showing that people dispute it; This is easy: I dispute that\nGod exists. Simple.\n\nI missed your \"Traditional Proofs\" treatise, but the proofs I remember\nfrom the Summa Theologic (the 5 ways I think it was) were rather poor\nstuff. The Ontological argument is about a billion times better, imho.\n\nI would think you'd want non-traditional proofs, considering the general\nfailure of the traditional proofs: at least the ones I know of.\n(I am thinking of the Ontological Argument, the Cosmological Argument and\nthe Teleological argument. Those are the ones traditional enough to\nhave funny names, anyway.)\n\n>Now, given that God exists, and that His existence can be proven by reason,\n>I assert that His commands must be followed blindly, although in our fallen\n>condition we must always have some measure of doubt about our faith.  Why?\n\nThis is the real question. So to discuss it, I'll assume God exists.\nOtherwise, there is no heavenly authority to babble about.\n\n>Because God is the First Cause of all things, the First Mover of matter,\n>the Independent Thing that requires nothing else for its existence, the\n>Measure of all that is perfect, and the essential Being who gives order\n>to the universe (logos).\n\nPlease show this is the case. I am familiar with the First Cause\nargument, and I'll accept (for the sake of argument) that there\nis a First Cause, even though I find some of its premices\nquestionable. The rest you'll have to show. This includes\nthat the First Cause is God.\n\n>I next assert that God is all good.\n\nGot it. I deny that God is all good. So there.\n\n>  If this is so, then that which is\n>contrary to the will of God is evil; i.e., the absence of the good.  And,\n>since God can never contradict Himself, then by His promise of a Savior\n>as early as the Protoevangelium of Genesis 3:5, God instructs that because\n>a human (Adam) was first responsible for man's alienation from the Source\n>of all good, a man would be required to act to restore the friendship.\n>Thus God became incarnate in the person of the Messiah.\n\nThis isn't self-consistent: if humans must renew the relationship,\nthen God (incarnate or not) can't do it. Well, unless you think God is\nhuman. Granted, God made himself 'human', but this is nonetheless cheating:\nThe intent of the statement is clearly that man has to fix the problem\nhe caused. God fixing it- even by indirect means- contradicts this.\n\n>Now this Messiah claimed that He is the Truth (John 14:6).  If this claim\n>is true, then we are bound by reason to follow Him, who is truth incarnate.\n\nWhy?\n\nAlso, why assume said claim is true anyway?\n\nIf *I* claim to be Truth, are you bound by reason to follow me?\n\n>You next seem to have a problem with authority.  Have you tried the United\n>States Marine Corps yet?  I can tell you first-hand that it is an excellent\n>instructor in authority.\n\n:)\n\nUndoubtably. Do you mean to imply we should all obey the commands of the\nMarines without question? You seem to imply this about God, and\nthat the Marines are similar in this respect.. If this is not what\nyou are trying to say, they please explain what it is you are saying,\nas I have missed it.\n\n>  If you have not yet had the privilege, I will\n>reply that the authority which is Truth Incarnate may never be questioned,\n>and thus must be followed blindly.\n\nWhy? Why not question it? Even if it *is* truth, we cannot know this\ncertainly, so why is it so irrational to question? Perhaps we will\nthus discover that we were wrong.\n\nYou assert that God is Truth and we can't question Truth. But\nI assert that God is not Truth and anyway we can question Truth.\nHow is it my assertion is less good than yours?\n\n>  One may NOT deny the truth.\n\nOh?\n\nI hereby deny 1+1=2.\n\nI hope you'll agree 1+1=2 is the truth.\n\nGranted, I look pretty damn silly saying something like that,\nbut I needed something we'd both agree was clearly true.\n\nNow, you'll notice no stormtroopers have marched in to drag\nme off to the gulag. No heaven lighting bolts either. No mysterious\nnet outages. I seem to be permited to say such things, absurd or not.\n\n>  For\n>example, when the proverbial apple fell on Isaac Newton's head, he could\n>have denied that it happened, but he did not.  The laws of physics must\n>be obeyed whether a human likes them or not.  They are true. \n\nThey are certainly not true. At least, the ones Newton derived are\nnot true, and are indeed wildly inaccurate at high speeds or small\ndistances. We do not have a set of Laws of Physics that always\nworks in all cases. If we did, Physics would be over already.\n\nScience is all about Questioning this sort of truth. If we didn't,\nwe'd still follow Aristotle. I'd generalize this a little more:\nIf you want to learn anything new, you MUST question the things\nyou Know (tm). Because you can always be wrong.\n\n>Therefore, the Authority which is Truth may not be denied.\n\nEven presupposing that Truth may not be Denied, and may\nnot be Questioned, and that God is Truth, it only follows\nthat God may not be Denied or Questioned. NOT that he must\nbe obeyed!\n\nWe could unquestioningly DISobey him. How annoying of us.\nBut you have not connected denial with disobedience.\n\n---\n\t\t\t- Dan \"No Nickname\" Johnson\nAnd God said \"Jeeze, this is dull\"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0\n\nThese opinions probably show what I know.\n","1274":"From: rvloon@cv.ruu.nl (Ronald van Loon)\nSubject: Motif++ mailing list - is there any interest ?\nOriginator: rvloon@midas.cv.ruu.nl\nNntp-Posting-Host: midas.cv.ruu.nl\nOrganization: University of Utrecht, 3D Computer Vision Research Group\nLines: 26\n\nHello Motif World,\n\na few days ago I posted my announcement for an update of Motif++. I got\nseveral requests to send the bindings per e-mail, and I know of several people\nwho have been using Motif++, and there are probably a number of people I am\nnot aware of who are also using Motif++.\n\nMy question is:\n\nHow many people 'out there' would be interested to join a mailing-list, where\npeople can ask questions about Motif++, swap stories, and give new ideas about\nnew directions and improvements for the bindings. This would benefit the\nuser-community, as well as give me more insight in what people would like to\nsee added to Motif++. Motif++ is still very much a voluntary project, and this\nway I can make a list of priorities, in what order things should be added, or\nchanged.\n\nIf you're interested in joining such a mailing-list, please take the time to\nreply to this message, and tell me so. When there is sufficient interest, say\nabout 20 people or more, a mailing-list will be set up at my site, and I will\npost the announcement of the newly-created list to this and other newsgroups.\n-- \nRonald van Loon     | In theory, there is no difference \n(rvloon@cv.ruu.nl)  | between theory and practice.\n3DCV Group, Utrecht |   \nThe Netherlands     | In practice however, there is.\n","1275":"From: thssgkg@iitmax.iit.edu (Gulshan K Garg)\nSubject: Fax Modem Card Wanted\nKeywords: Fax, Modem Card\nOrganization: Illinois Institute of Technology \/ Academic Computing Center\nDistribution: chi\nLines: 8\n\n I am looking out for an inexpensive fax modem card for PC. If you have one to sell, please e-mail \n\n\nGulshan Garg\nthssgkg@iitmax.iit.edu\n312\/942-1977 (H)\n\n\n","1276":"From: generous@nova.sti.nasa.gov (Curtis Generous)\nSubject: Apple Tape backup 40SC under System 7.x\nKeywords: backup, tape,\nOrganization: NASA STI\nLines: 12\n\n\nI need to get an Apple 40SC tape backup unit working under\nSys 7.0.x, but do not have any drivers\/software to access\nthe device.  Does anyone know where I can fidn the tools\nto access this device?\n\nAppreciate any info\/comments.\n\n--curtis\n-- \nCurtis C. Generous\tgenerous@sti.nasa.gov\t\t(703) 685-1140\nNASA STI, Code JTT, Washington, DC 20546\n","1277":"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)\nSubject: Re: LaserJet IV upgrades to 1200dpi opinions\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 43\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\n (larryhow@austin.ibm.com) wrote:\n: \n: What are the current products available to upgrade the resolution?\n: Which ones support postscript?\n: \n: Any experiences with them, either good or bad?\n: \n: Is the quality difference really noticable?\n: \n: I'm planning on producing camera ready copy of homes.  Will the higher\n: resolution be noticed for these?\n: \nIf you are talking about laser jet 4 then I believe it has to be postscript.\nI don't see any advantage to using PCL when you have a peice of hardware\nplugged into the LJ4 that is doing the work and it can support any language\nthat is suited for the job.  Besides I don't think PCL is even capable of\nhandling 1200 dpi specifications.  I only have experience with the Laser\nMaster Winjet 1200 which brings the LJ4 up to 1200 dpi and it uses postscript.\nIt also has a fast print mode which is not postscript, and it is at a lower\nresolution (600dpi I think), but it is FAST!!!!  This particular product\nuses your host processor to process the postscript, so even with a decent\nPC you know it's going to be slow i.e. slow compared to a high-end workstation\nprocessed PS.\n\nThe quality difference is very noticable and is almost worth the wait (for\nthe PS processing) - I'm rather impatient.\n\nWe were using it for B&W camera images (RS-170).  The gray scale image was\naccepted by MS Word and handed to the Winjet PS printer driver which converts\nthe image into postscript and then hands it off to the Winjets postscript\nprocessor.  The postscript is rendered into RAM (lots of it) and when it\nis done it shoots it directly to the printer.  The PS processor can also\naccept PS files created from other sources including DOS applications, but\nWindows has to be running at the time of printing.  The PS processor is\nresponsible for the halftoning and I'd say it does a pretty good job.  Our\ncamera images came out very good in my opinion.  (not as good as Laser Master's\ndemo though).\n\nI don't know how many other similar products are out there but I would be\nsurprised if there are several.\n\nGordon Lang\n\n","1278":"From: rana@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Nabeel Ahmad Rana)\nSubject: Re: New newsgroup: soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya?\nNntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 68\n\n\nMr. Esam Abdel-Rahem writes:\n\n>I urge you all to vote NO to the formation of the news group ''AHMADYA.ISLAM''.\n>If they want to have their own group, the word ISLAM shouldnot be attached to \n>the name of such group. We don't consider them as Muslims.\n\n\nDr. Tahir Ijaz comments on Esam Abdel-Rahem's statement:\n\n>But the problem is We consider ourself to be Muslims, even though you don't.\n>Luckily, faith is determined by what one believes and is a personal matter.\n>You cannot declare the faith of someone else.\n\n\nMr. Jawad Ali then comments on Tahir Ijaz's statement:\n\n>You are not considering the consequences of your argument.  The converse\n>would be that the problem is that Muslims dont consider Ahmadies to be\n>Muslims.  Who one considers to be one's co-believer is also a personal\n>matter.  It would be just as wrong to tell the Muslims who should be\n>included in their self-defination.\n\n\nThe argument by Jawad Ali is funny, He writes:\n\"The converse would be that the problem is that Muslims dont consider\nAhmadies to be Muslims\"\n\nWhich is a wrong statement. In the light of Dr. Ijaz's statement, the\nabove statement should be corrected:\n\".......................................is that (some) non-Ahmadi Muslims\ndon't consider Ahmadi-Muslims as Muslims\"\n\nSo, the problem does not get solved:-) Who is a muslims and who is not?\nHumans cannot decide. Humans may not declare others faiths. Its that \nsimple. I don't understand, why the mere use of the word \"ISLAM\" is\nbecomming such a big issue. I have seen numorous postings on the net\non this subject, and all they say, \"No, NO, you cannot use ISLAM as \nthe name of your newsgroup\". ?? \n\nI haven't seen a single posting stating what right do they have in declaring\nthe name of other's faiths? Who gives them this authority? Quran? or\nHadith? or something else? I want to know this! \n\nJust a small reminder to all my Muslim Brothers, Did _EVER_ the \nHoly Prophet of Islam (Muhammad PBUH), say to anyone who called\nhimself a Muslim:\n\nNo, You are not a Muslim ! ???????\n\nNEVER! I challenge all my Muslim brothers to produce a single \nsuch evidence from the history of Islam!\n\nHence, if the Prophet Muhammad could never do that to anyone, how\ncould the Muslims, Mullahs or even Governments of today do\nit to anyone. Do you consider yourself above the Holy Prophet \nMuhammad (PBUH) ?? \n\n\nSincerely,\nNabeel.\n\n\n-- \n||\\\\  ||         \/\/\\\\     ||\\\\         *******************    (Note: \n|| \\\\ ||        \/\/==\\\\    ||\/\/         * LOVE FOR ALL    *     views    \n||  \\\\||abeel  \/\/    \\\\.  ||\\\\ana      * HATRED FOR NONE *      are \n[e-mail: rana@rintintin.colorado.edu]  *******************     mine) \n","1279":"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Diplomat License Plates\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 21\nDistribution: va\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.123404.18191@linus.mitre.org> m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:\n|\n|Automobiles belonging to personnel associated with the embassies from various\n|nations have diplomatic license plates.  They are red, white, and blue and\n|read DLL #### where \"L\" is a letter and the #'s are numbers.  The \"D\" means\n>diplomatic and the \"L\"s indicate which country.  A few years ago the\n\nactually,  teh D means the registered driver has diplomatic immunity.\nThat means they can do as they damn well please on the roads, and you\nhave only God as your protection.   \n\nThe state Department Issues Saa-XXX  plates for personnel  who work\nat the embassies but haven't been granted  immunity.  Most embassies\nhave restricted parking for embassy personell  street side.  \n\nThe S plates allow them to use  those parking areas as well as the\nrestricted lots at National and State dept,  without a lot of crap.\n\npat\n\n\n","1280":"From: louray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis)\nSubject: Re: MS-Windows access for the blind?\nOrganization: George Washington University\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <mtrottie.64.0@emr1.emr.ca> mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca (Marc Trottier) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr22.172514.13025@cci632.cci.com> jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno) writes:\n>>From: jfb@cci632.cci.com (John Bruno)\n>>Subject: MS-Windows access for the blind?\n>>Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1993 17:25:14 GMT\n>>We are developing an MS-Windows based product that uses a full screen window\n>>to display ~24 rows of textual data.  Is there any product for Microsoft Windows\n>>that will enable blind individuals to access the data efficiently (quickly) ??\n>>\n>>Please email responses and I will post a summary to this group.\n>>\n>>Thanks for any help\n>>--- John Bruno\n>>\n>\n>Apparently, Microsoft came out with a new product: MS-Braille it is suppose \n>to be \"WYTIWIG\".  :-)\n>\n>No offense.\n> \n> \n> Marc Trottier \/ mtrottie@emr1.emr.ca \n>\n>\n\n\nAT the MICRO$OFT display at FOSE, there were a few computers running\nwindows, and win. apps for the  blind, I think.  Didn't pay much\nattention to it, but it was there.\n\nMickey\n-- \npe-|| ||  MICHAEL PANAYIOTAKIS: louray@seas.gwu.edu \nace|| ||                                   ...!uunet!seas.gwu.edu!louray\n|||| \\\/|  *how do make a ms-windows .grp file reflect a HD directory??*\n\\\\\\\\   |  \"well I ain't always right, but I've never been wrong..\"(gd)\n","1281":"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky)\nSubject: Re: Happy Birthday Israel!\nIn-Reply-To: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu's message of Mon, 26 Apr 1993 17:57:50 GMT\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University\nLines: 6\n\nIn article <C63r8F.76s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:\n\n   Israel - Happy 45th Birthday!\n\nMay you and your neighbors know peace even before you see 46.\n\n","1282":"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer\nSubject: Yankee fears.\nOrganization: Allegheny College\nLines: 9\n\n\nI'll tell youm all one thing. Steve howe and FARR are much better then the  \nworst pitcher in yankee Pitching ___________________\n\n\nWHO do you think I am talking about. I'll post the answers if you e-mail  \nto me. Use reply. or post you're answers, but e-mailing them to me meaqns  \nthat I will post the final results. I have one particular horrid pitcher  \nin mind.\n","1283":"From: rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Tempest\nNntp-Posting-Host: ely.cl.cam.ac.uk\nOrganization: U of Cambridge Computer Lab, UK\nDistribution: na\nLines: 19\n\n\nres@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:\n\n> Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent\n> to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks?\n\nWe've got a tempest receiver in the lab here, and there's no difficulty in\npicking up individual monitors. Their engineering tolerances are slack enough\nthat they tend to radiate on different frequencies. Even where they overlap, you\ncan discriminate because they have different line synch frequencies - you can\nlock in on one and average the others out.\n\nThe signals are weird in any case, with varying polarisations and all sorts\nof interactions with the building. Just moving a folded dipole around is also\nhighly effective as a (randomised) means of switching from one monitor to\nanother,\n\nRoss\n\n","1284":"From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin)\nSubject: Re: Clintons views on Jerusalem\nOrganization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ\nSummary: Verify statements\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <16BB28ABD.DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>, DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu writes:\n> It seems that President Clinton can recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol\n> while still keeping his diplomatic rear door open by stating that the Parties\n> concerned should decide the city's final status. Even as I endorse Clintons vie\n> w (of course), it is definitely a matter to be decided upon by Israel (and\n> other participating neighboring contries).\n> I see no real conflict in stating both views, nor expect any better from\n> politicians.\n> -----\n> David Shalhevet \/ dshal@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu \/ University of Illinois\n> Dept Anim Sci \/ 220 PABL \/ 1201 W. Gregory Dr. \/ Urbana, IL 61801\n\nI was trying to avoid a discussion of the whether Clintons views\nshould be endorsed or not.  All I was trying to find out was \nwhether the newspaper article was correct in making these\nstatements about the President by obtaining some information\nabout when and where he made these statements.\n\nThank you.\n\nBen.\n","1285":"From: paschal@tscs.com (Charles O. Paschal)\nSubject: Nth Engine Graphics Cards\nOrganization: Total Support Computer Systems, Tampa, Florida\nLines: 12\n\nI have the following Nth Engine graphics cards for sale w\/drivers for \nAutoCAD R11. Display list proccessing is done through hardware.\n\nB640\t- 640x480\nB752\t- 752x580\n\nI will take the highest reanable offer.\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nCharles Paschal -  Total Support Computer Systems  -  Tampa  -  (813) 876-5990\nUUCP: paschal@tscs\t\t\t\t\t   FAX: (813) 871-2783\nUS-MAIL: Post Office Box 15395 - Tampa, Florida  33684-5395\n","1286":"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Some questions from a new Christian\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 27\n\n18669@bach.udel.edu (Steven R Hoskins) writes:\n\n> ... I realize I am very ignorant about much of the Bible and\n> quite possibly about what Christians should hold as true. This I am trying\n> to rectify (by reading the Bible of course), but it would be helpful\n> to also read a good interpretation\/commentary on the Bible or other\n> relevant aspects of the Christian faith. One of my questions I would\n> like to ask is - Can anyone recommend a good reading list of theological\n> works intended for a lay person?\n\nI won't even recommend books from my congregation.  What you ask sounds\nattractive but it is dangerous.  As a new Christian you don't want to be\ncontaminated with other people's interpretation.  Steep your self in\nscripture, and discuss with other christians.  Read if your must but\nremember that what other people write is their interpretation.  God has\npromised to give you light, so ask for it.\n\n> I have another question I would like to ask. I am not yet affiliated\n> with any one congregation. Aside from matters of taste, what criteria\n> should one use in choosing a church? I don't really know the difference\n> between the various Protestant denominations.\n\n\nDon't wait too long before attaching yourself to church.  Just remember to\nalways compare what they teach you with scripture like the Bereans did.\n\nDarius\n","1287":"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)\nSubject: Re: Most bang for $13k\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (Da\nvid Bonds) writes:\n>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:\n> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the\n> $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be\n> driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fee\nl\n>\n>Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the\n>ultimate in 4 door sports cars.  Performance similar to a Mustang, but\n>quite civil and comfortable...  Try to get a late model 91 for the better\n>shifter.\n>\n>\n\n>----\n>The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us)   A PCBoard 14.5a system\n>Houston, Texas, USA   +1.713.466.1525          running uuPCB\n\n>Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the\ndiamond star cars (Talon\/Eclipse\/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models,\nand 195 hp in the AWD turbo models,  These cars also have handling to match\nthe muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a\nharsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two\n(because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have\nto go with a leftover or \"slightly\" used model for that price range....tough\ndecision...\n\n        Rob Fusi\n        rwf2@lehigh.edu\n\n-- \n","1288":"From: c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos)\nSubject: Re: Space Station radio commercial\nOrganization: Delco Electronics Corp.\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <C5r2I1.793@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes:\n>A brief political\/cultural item.\n>\n>Radio station WGMS in Washington is a classical music station with\n>a large audience among high officials (elected and otherwise).  \n>Imagine a radio station that advertises Mercedes Benzes, diamond\n>jewelry, expensive resorts and (truthfully) Trident submarines.\n>\n>This morning I heard a commercial for the space station project.\n>Didn't catch the advertiser.\n>\n>Guess they're pulling out all the stops.\n\nIn the Air Force world at least, the crisis escalates when scale\nmodels of the plane in question (i.e. about to be sacrificed) begin to\narrive in key Senators and Congresspersons' offices.\n\nOf course it is assumed that coffee mugs and other decorative junk has\nbeen tried earlier.\n\nSpiros\n-- \nSpiros Triantafyllopoulos                    c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com\nSoftware Technology, Delco Electronics       (317) 451-0815\nGM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904      \"I post, therefore I ARMM\"\n","1289":"From: plebrun@minfminf.vub.ac.be (Philippe Lebrun)\nSubject: Re: Bursitis and laser treatment\nDistribution: eunet\nOrganization: Vrije Universiteit Brussel Faculteit Geneeskunde\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.190104.14072@freenet.carleton.ca>, ab961@Freenet.carleton.ca (Robert Allison) writes:\n|> \n|> My family doctor and the physiotherapist (PT) she sent me to agree that the\n|> pain in my left shoulder is bursitis. I have an appointment with an orthpod\n|> (I love that, it's short for 'orthopedic surgeon, apparently) but while I'm\n|> waiting the PT is treating me.\n|> \n|> She's using hot packs, ultrasound, and lasers, but there's no improvement\n|> yet. In fact, I almost suspect it's getting worse.\n|> \n|> My real question is about the laser treatment. I can't easily imagine what\n|> the physical effect that could have on a deep tissue problem. Can anyone\n|> shed some light (so to speak) on the matter?\n\nIf it works it's only due to the heat produced by the laser.\n\n-philippe\n\n","1290":"From: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Toby Freeman,TJF,G151,3344813,OCT95, )\nSubject: Re: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL\nNntp-Posting-Host: speedwell\nReply-To: freemant@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk\nOrganization: Dept. of Computing Science, Glasgow University, Glasgow.\nLines: 38\n\n>Does anyone know of software that will allow\n>you to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files\n>containing bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the\n>only format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises.\n>\n>Jeff Lyall\n\nI used this combination for a while - A QCR-Z recorder,\nI think - and as far as I remember Corel can EXPORT in\nSCODAL (.scd) format.  Just select 'EXPORT' on the main\nfile menu.  This may not be implemented in earlier versions,\nof course, in which case you're on your own!!!\n\nAlso, I seem to think that the s\/w for the QCR-Z (at the time)\ndid strange (and very undesirable) things if ANY part of the\npic was outside the screen area on Corel.  I once spent an\nafternoon painfully discovering that ONE pixel had somehow\nstrayed off-screen, causing my whole slide to be blank!!!\n\nThe QCR-Z also couldn't handle grad-fill over grad-fill -\nso if you use a graduated colour background, if you then\ngrad-fill an object on top of this, the fill appears on the\nfinal slide as a circle (I think) and TOTALLY IGNORES the\nshape of the object being filled!!!\n\nOf course, if the recorder isn't a QCR, you can ignore all\nthis and feel suitably :-)\n\nCheers, Toby.\n____________________________________._.____._.__________._.__________._.______\n____________________________________!  \\__\/  !__________!_!__________! !______\n___!                            !___! . \\\/ . !___.__.___._.___.___._.! !__.___\n___! Toby Freeman               !___! !\\  \/! !__\/ __ \\__! !__\/ .__!_!. .__!___\n___! Glasgow University         !___! !_\\\/_! !_! !__! !_! !_! <__.___! !______\n___! freemant@uk.ac.glasgow.dcs !___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !__\\___ \\__! !______\n___!____________________________!___! !____! !_! !__! !_! !_.____> !_! !__.___\n____________________________________!_!____!_!__\\____\/__!_!_!_____\/___\\___!___\n\n","1291":" wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgi!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey\nSubject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass\nFrom: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\n <93089.050046MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1pa6ntINNs5d@gap.caltech.edu> \n <1993Mar30.205919.26390@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> <1pcnp3INNpom@gap.caltech.edu> <1pdjip$jsi@fido.asd.sgi.com> <1pi9jkINNqe2@gap.caltec\nOrganization: sgi\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1pi9jkINNqe2@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n|> \n|> >>>How long does it [the motto] have to stay around before it becomes the\n|> >>>default?  ...  Where's the cutoff point? \n|> >>I don't know where the exact cutoff is, but it is at least after a few\n|> >>years, and surely after 40 years.\n|> >Why does the notion of default not take into account changes\n|> >in population makeup?     \n|> \n|> Specifically, which changes are you talking about?  Are you arguing\n|> that the motto is interpreted as offensive by a larger portion of the\n|> population now than 40 years ago?\n\nNo, do I have to?    I'm just commenting that it makes very\nlittle sense to consider everything we inherit to be the default.\n\nSeen any steam trains recently?\n\njon.\n","1292":"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 B\nSummary: Part B \nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 912\n\n     Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #008 Part B\n                 Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh\n\n\t\t\t\t(Part B of #008)\n\n      +------------------------------------------------------------------+\n      |                                                                  |\n      | \"Oh, yes, I just remembered. While they were raping me they      |\n      |  repeated quite frequently, \"Let the Armenian women have babies  |\n      |  for us, Muslim babies, let them bear Azerbaijanis for the       |\n      |  struggle against the Armenians.\" Then they said, \"Those         |\n      |  Muslims can carry on our holy cause. Heroes!\" They repeated     |\n      |  it very often.\"                                                 |\n      |                                                                  |\n      +------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n...continued from PART A:\n\nThe six of them left. They left and I had an attack. I realized that the dan-\nger was past, and stopped controlling myself. I relaxed for a moment and the \nphysical pain immediately made itself felt. My heart and kidneys hurt. I had \nan awful kidney attack. I rolled back and forth on top of those Christmas\nornaments, howling and howling. I didn't know where I was or how long this \nwent on. When we figured out the time, later it turned out that I howled and \nwas in pain for around an hour. Then all my strength was gone and I burst into\ntears, I started feeling sorry for myself, and so on and so forth . . .\n\nThen someone came into the room. I think I hear someone calling my name. I \nwant to respond and restrain myself, I think that I'm hallucinating. I am \nsilent, and then it continues: it seems that first a man's voice is calling\nme, then a woman's. Later I found out that Mamma had sent our neighbor, the\none whose apartment she was hiding in, Uncle Sabir Kasumov, to our place, \ntelling him, \"I know that they've killed Lyuda. Go there and at least bring \nher corpse to me so they don't violate her corpse.\" He went and returned empty\nhanded, but Mamma thought he just didn't want to carry the corpse into his \napartment. She sent him another time, and then sent his wife, and they were \nwalking through the rooms looking for me, but I didn't answer their calls. \nThere was no light, they had smashed the chandeliers and lamps.\n\nThey started the pogrom in our apartment around five o'clock, and at 9:30 I \nwent down to the Kasumovs'. I went down the stairs myself. I walked out of the\napartment: how long can you wait for your own death, how long can you be \ncowardly, afraid? Come what will. I walked out and started knocking on the \ndoors one after the next. No one, not on the fifth floor, not on the fourth, \nopened the door. On the third floor, on the landing of the stairway, Uncle \nSabir's son started to shout, \"Aunt Roza, don't cry, Lyuda's alive!\" He \nknocked on his own door and out came Aunt Tanya, Igor, and after them, Mamma. \nAunt Tanya, Uncle Sabir's wife, is an Urdmurt. All of us were in their \napartment. I didn't see Karina, but she was in their home, too, Lying\ndelirious, she had a fever. Marina was there too, and my father and mother.\nAll of my family had gathered there.\n   \nAt the door I lost consciousness. Igor and Aunt Tanya carried me into the\napartment.\n\nLater I found out what they had done to our Karina. Mamma said, \"Lyuda, \nKarina's in really serious condition, she's probably dying. If she recognizes \nyou, don't cry, don't tell her that her face looks so awful.\" It was as though\nher whole face was paralyzed, you know, everything was pushed over to one \nside, her eye was all swollen, and everything flowed together, her lips, her \ncheeks . . . It was as though they had dragged her right side around the whole\nmicrodistrict, that's how disfigured her face was. I said, \"Fine.\" Mamma was \nafraid to go into the room, because she went in and hugged Karina and started \nto cry. I went in. As soon as I saw her my legs gave way. I fell down near the\nbed, hugged her legs and started kissing them and crying. She opened the eye \nthat was intact, looked at me, and said, \"Who is it?\" But I could barely talk, \nmy whole face was so badly beaten. I didn't say, but rather muttered something\ntender, something incomprehensible, but tender, \"My Karochka, my Karina, my \nlittle golden one . . . \" She understood me.\n\nThen Igor brought me some water, I drank it down and moistened Karina's lips. \nShe started to groan. She was saying something to me, but I couldn't \nunderstand it. Then I made out, \"It hurts, I hurt all over.\" Her hair was \nglued down with blood. I stroked her forehead, her head, she had grit on her \nforehead, and on her lips . . . She was groaning again, and I don't know how \nto help her. She calls me over with her hand, come closer. I go to her. She's\nsaying something to me, but I can't understand her. Igor brings her a pencil \nand paper and says, \"Write it down.\" She shakes her head as if to say, no, I \ncan't write. I can't understand what she's saying. She wanted to tell me \nsomething, but she couldn't. I say, \"Karina, just lie there a little while,\nthen maybe you'll feel better and you can tell me then.\" And then she says,\n\"Maybe it'll be too late.\" And I completely . . . just broke down, I couldn't\ncontrol myself.\n\nThen I moistened my hand in the water and wiped her forehead and eye. I dipped\na handkerchief into the water and squeezed a little water onto her lips. She \nsays, \"Lyuda, we're not saved yet, we have to go somewhere else. Out of this \ndamned house. They want to kill us, I know. They'll find us here, too. We need\nto call Urshan.\" She repeated this to me for almost a whole hour, Until I \nunderstood her every word. I ask, \"What's his number?\" Urshan Feyruzovich, \nthat's the head of the administration where she works. \"We have to call him.\" \nBut I didn't know his home number. I say, \"Karina, what's his number?\" She \nsays, \"I can't remember.\" I say, \"Who knows his number? Who can I call?\" She \nsays, \"I don't know anything, leave me alone.\"\n\nI went out of the room. Igor stayed to watch over her and sat there, he was \ncrying, too. I say, \"Mamma, Karina says that we have to call Urshan. How can \nwe call him? Who knows his telephone number?\" I tell Marina, \"Think, think, \nwho can we call to find out?\" She started calling; several people didn't \nanswer. She called a girlfriend, her girlfriend called another girlfriend and \nfound out the number and called us back. The boss's wife answered and said he \nwas at the dacha. My voice keeps cracking, I can't talk normally. She says, \n\"Lyuda, don't panic, get a hold of yourself, go out to those hooligans and \ntell them that they just can't do that.\" She still didn't know what was really\ngoing on. I said, \"It's easy for you to say that, you don't understand what's \nhappening. They are killing people here. I don't think there is a single \nArmenian left in the building, they've cut them all up. I'm even surprised \nthat we managed to save ourselves. \"She says, \"Well, OK, if it's that serious \n. . . \" And all the same she's thinking that my emotions are all churned up \nand that I'm fearing for my life, that in fact it's not all that bad. \"OK, \nfine, fine,\" she says, \"if you're afraid, OK, as soon as Urshan comes back \nI'll send him over.\"\n\nWe called again because they had just started robbing the apartment directly \nunder Aunt Tanya's, on the second floor, Asya Dallakian's apartment. She \nwasn't home, she was staying with her daughter in Karabagh. They destroyed \neverything there . . . We realized that they still might come back. We kept on\ntrying to get through to Aunt Tanya--Urshan's wife is named Tanya too and \nfinally we get through. She says, \"Yes, he's come home, he's leaving for your \nplace now.\" He came. Of course he didn't know what was happening, either, \nbecause he brought two of his daughters with him. He came over in his jeep \nwith his two daughters, like he was going on an outing. He came and saw what \nshape we were in and what was going on in town and got frightened. He has \ngrown up daughters, they're almost my age.\n\nThe three of us carried out Karina, tossed a coat on her and a warm scarf, and\nwent down to his car. He took Karina and me to the Maternity Home. . . No, \nfirst they took us to the po]ice precinct. They had stretchers ready. As\nsoon as we got out of the car they put Karina and me on stretchers and said\nthat we were in serious condition and that we mustn't move, we might have\nfractures. From the stretcher I saw about 30 soldiers sitting and lying on the\nfirst floor, bandaged, on the concrete floor, groaning . . . This was around\neleven o'clock at night. We had left the house somewhere around 1:30. When I \nsaw those soldiers I realized that a war was going on: soldiers, enemies\n. . . everything just like a war.\n\nThey carried me into some office on the stretcher. The emergency medical\npeople from Baku were there. The medical attendant there was an older \nArmenian. Urshan told him what they had done to Karina because she's so proud \nshe would never have told. And this aging Armenian . . . his name was Uncle \nArkady, I think, because someone said \"Arkady, get an injection ready,\" he \nstarted to fill a syringe, and turned around so as to give Karina a shot. But \nwhen he looked at her face he became ill. And he was an old man, in his \nsixties, his hair was all grey, and his moustache, too. He hugged Karina and \nstarted to cry: \"What have they done to you?!\" He was speaking Armenian. \"What\nhave they done to you?!\" Karina didn't say anything. Mamma came in then, and \nshe started to cry, too. The man tried to calm her. \"I'll give you a shot.\" \nMamma tells him, \"I don't need any shot. Where is the government? Just what \nare they doing? Look what they've done to my children! They're killing people,\nand you're just sitting here!\" Some teacups were standing on the table in \nthere. \"You're sitting here drinking tea! Look what they've done to my \ndaughters! Look what they've turned them into!\" They gave her something to \ndrink, some heart medicine, I think. They gave Karina an injection and the\ndoctor said that she had to be taken to the Maternity Home immediately. Papa \nand Urshan, I think, even though Papa was in bad shape, helped carry Karina \nout. When they put her on the stretcher, none of the medics got near her. I \ndon't know, maybe there weren't any orderlies. Then they came to me: \"What's \nthe matter with you?\" Their tone was so official that I wrapped myself tighter\nin the half-length coat. I had a blanket on, too, an orange one, Aunt Tanya's.\nI said, \"I'm fine.\" Uncle Arkady came over and was soothing me, and then told \nthe doctor, \"You leave, let a woman examine her.\" A woman came, an \nAzerbaijani, I believe, and said, \"What's wrong with you?\" I was wearing my \nsister Lyuda's nightshirt, the sister who at this time was in Yerevan. When \nshe was nursing her infant she had cut out a big hole in it so that it would \nbe easier to breast feed the baby. I tore the night shirt some more and showed\nher. I took it off my shoulders and turned my back to her. There was a huge \nwound, about the size of a hand, on my back, from the Indian vase. She said \nsomething to them and they gave me two shots. She said that it should be \ndressed with something, but that they'd do that in the hospital.\n\nThey put me on a stretcher, too. They started looking for people to carry me. \nI raised up my head a little and wanted to sit up, and this woman, I don't \nknow if she was a doctor or a nurse, said, \"Lie still, you mustn't move.\" When\nI was lying back down I saw two policemen leading a man. His profile seemed \nvery familiar to me. I shouted, \"Stop!\" One of the policemen turned and says, \n\"What do you want?\" I say, \"Bring him to me, I want to look at him.\" They \nbrought him over and I said, \"That person was just in our apartment and he \njust raped me and my sister. I recognize him, note it down.\" They said, \n\"Fine,\" but didn't write it down and led him on. I don't know where they were \ntaking him.\n\nThen they put my stretcher near where the injured and beaten soldiers were \nsitting. They went to look for the ambulance driver so he would bring the car \nup closer. One of the soldiers started talking to me, \"Sister . . . \" I don't \nremember the conversation exactly, but he asked me were we lived and what they\ndid to us. I asked him, \"Where are you from?\" He said that he was from Ufa. \nApparently they were the first that were brought in. The Ufa police. Later I \nlearned that they suffered most of all. He says, \"OK, you're Armenians, they \ndidn't get along with you, but I'm a Russian,\" he says, \"what are they trying \nto kill me for?\" Oh, I remembered something else. When I went out onto the \nbalcony with Kuliyev for a hammer and nails I looked out the window and saw \ntwo Azerbaijanis beating a soldier near the kindergarten. He was pressed \nagainst the fence and he covered his head with his arms, they were beating him\nwith his own club. The way he cried \"Mamma\" made my skin crawl. I don't know \nwhat they did to him, if he's still alive or not. And something else. Before \nhe attack on our house we saw sheets, clothes, and some dishes flying from the\nthird or fourth floor of the neighboring building, but I didn't think it was \nAzerbaijanis attacking Armenians. I thought that something was on fire or they\nwere throwing something they didn't need out, or someone was fighting with \nsomeone. It was only later, when they were burning a passenger car in the \nyard, when the neighbors said that they were doing that to the Armenians, that\nI realized that this was serious, that it was anti-Armenian.\n\nThey took Karina and me to the Sumgait Maternity Home. Mamma went to them too \nand said, \"I've been beaten too, help me.\" But they just ignored her. My \nfather went to them and said in a guilty voice, as though it was his fault \nthat he'd been beaten, and says, \"My ribs hurt so much, those creeps have \nprobably broken my ribs. Please look at them.\" The doctor says, \"That's not my\njob.\" Urshan said, \"Fine, I'll take you to my place and if we need a doctor, \nI'll find you one. I'll bring one and have him look at you. And he drove them \nto his apartment.\n\nMarina and I stayed there. They examined us. I was more struck by what the \ndoctor said than by what those Azerbaijanis in our apartment did to us. I \nwasn't surprised when they beat us they wanted to beat us, but I was very\nsurprised that in a Soviet medical facility a woman who had taken the\nHippocratic Oath could talk to victims like that. By happy--or unhappy--\ncoincidence we were seen by the doctor that had delivered our Karina. And she,\nhaving examined Karina, said, \"No problem, you got off pretty good. Not like \nthey did in Kafan, when you Armenians were killing and raping our women.\n\"Karina was in such terrible condition that she couldn't say anything--she\nwould certainly have had something to say! Then they examined me. The same \nstory. They put us in a separate ward. No shots, no medicinal powders, no \ndrugs. Absolutely none! They didn't even give us tea. All the women there soon\nfound out that in ward such and such were Armenians who had been raped. And\nthey started coming and peering through the keyhole, the way people look at \nzoo animals. Karina didn't see this, she was lying there, and I kept her from \nseeing it.\n\nThey put Ira B. in our ward. She had also been raped. True, she didn't have \nany serious bodily injuries, but when she told me what had happened at their \nplace, I felt worse for them than I did for us. Because when they raped Ira \nher daughter was in the room, she was under the bed on which it happened. And\nIra was holding her daughter's hand, the one who was hiding under the bed.\nWhen they were beating Ira or taking her earrings off, gold, when she \ninvoluntarily let go of her daughter's hand, her daughter took her hand again.\nHer daughter is in the fourth grade, she's 11 years old. I felt really awful \nwhen I heard that. Ira asked them not to harm her daughter, she said, \"Do what\nyou want with me, just leave my daughter alone.\" Well, they did what they \nwanted. They threatened to kill her daughter if she got in their way. Now I \nwould be surprised if the criminals had behaved any other way that night. It \nwas simply Bartholomew's Night, I say, they did what they would love to do \nevery day: steal, kill, rape . . .\n\nMany are surprised that those animals didn't harm the children. The beasts \nexplained it like this: this would be repeated in 15 to 20 years, and those \nchildren would be grown, and then, as they put it, \"we'll come take the \npleasure out of their lives, those children.\" This was about the girls that\nwould be young women in 15 years. They were thinking about their tomorrow \nbecause they were sure that there would be no trial and no investigation, just\nas there was no trial or investigation in 1915, and that those girls could be \nof some use in 15 years. This I heard from the investigators; one of the \nvictims testified to it. That's how they described their own natures, that\nthey would still be bloodthirsty in 15 to 20 years, and in 100 years--they\nthemselves said that.\n\nAnd this, too. Everyone is surprised that they didn't harm our Marina. Many \npeople say that they either were drunk or had smoked too much. I don't know \nwhy their eyes were red. Maybe because they hadn't slept the night before, \nmaybe for some other reason, I don't know. But they hadn't been smoking and \nthey weren't drunk, I'm positive, because someone who has smoked will stop at \nnothing he has the urge to do. And they spoke in a cultured fashion with \nMarina: \"Little sister, don't be afraid, we won't harm you, don't look over \nthere [where I was], you might be frightened. You're a Muslim, a Muslim woman \nshouldn't see such things.\" So they were really quite sober . . .\n\nSo we came out of that story alive. Each every day we have lived since it all \nhappened bears the mark of that day. It wasn't even a day, of those several \nhours. Father still can't look us in the eyes. He still feels guilty for what\nhappened to Karina, Mother, and me. Because of his nerves he's started talk-\ning to himself, I've heard him argue with himself several times when he\nthought no one is listening: \"Listen,\" he'll say, \"what could I do? What could\nI do alone, how could I protect them?\" I don't know where to find the words,\nit's not that I'm happy, but I am glad that he didn't see it all happen. \nThat's the only thing they spared us . . . or maybe it happened by chance. Of \ncourse he knows it all, but there's no way you could imagine every last detail\nof what happened. And there were so many conversations: Karina and I spoke\ntogether in private, and we talked with Mamma, too. But Father was never\npresent at those conversations. We spare him that, if you can say that. And\nwhen the investigator comes to the house, we don't speak with Father present.\n\nOn February 29, the next clay, Karina and I were discharged from the hospital.\nFirst they released me, but since martial law had been declared in the city, \nthe soldiers took me to the police precinct in an armored personnel carrier. \nThere were many people there, Armenian victims. I met the Tovmasian family \nthere. From them I learned that Rafik and their Uncle Grant had died. They \nwere sure that both had died. They were talking to me and Raya, Rafik's wife \nand Grant's daughter, and her mother, were both crying.\n\nThen they took us all out of the office on the first floor into the yard.\nThere's a little one-room house outside there, a recreation and reading area.\nThey took us in there. The women were afraid to go because they thought\nthat they were shooing us out of the police precinct because it had become\nso dangerous that even the people working at the precinct wanted to hide.\nThe women were shouting. They explained to them: \"We want to hide you\nbetter because it's possible there will be an attack on the police precinct.\"\n\nWe went into the little house. There were no chairs or tables in there. We\nhad children with us and they were hungry; we even had infants who needed to \nhave their diapers changed. No one had anything with them. It was just awful. \nThey kept us there for 24 hours. From the window of the one room house you \ncould see that there were Azerbaijanis standing on the fences around the \npolice precinct, as though they were spying on us. The police precinct is \nsurrounded by a wall, like a fence, and it's electrified, but if they were \nstanding on the wall, it means the electricity was shut off. This brought \ngreat psychological pressure to bear on us, particularly on those who hadn't \njust walked out of their apartments, but who hadn't slept for 24 hours, or 48,\nor those who had suffered physically and spiritually, the ones who had lost \nfamily members. For us it was another ordeal. We were especially frightened \nwhen all the precinct employees suddenly disappeared. We couldn't see a single\nperson, not in the courtyard and not in the windows. We thought that they must\nhave already been hiding under the building, that they must have some secret \nroom down there. People were panicking: they started throwing themselves at\none another . . . That's the way it is on a sinking ship. We heard those \npeople, mainly young people, whistling and whopping on the walls. We felt that\nthe end was approaching. I was completely terrified: I had left Karina in the \nhospital and didn't know where my parents were. I was sort of calm about my \nparents, I was thinking only about Karina, if, Heaven forbid, they should \nattack the hospital, they would immediately tell them that there was an \nArmenian in there, and something terrible would happen to Karina again, and \nshe wouldn't be able to take it.\n\nThen soldiers with dogs appeared. When they saw the dogs some of the people \nclimbed down off the fence. Then they brought in about another 30 soldiers.\nThey all had machine guns in readiness, their fingers on the triggers. We \ncalmed down a little. They brought us chairs and brought the children some \nlittle cots and showed us where we could wash our hands, and took the children\nto the toilet. But we all sat there hungry, but to be honest, it would never \nhave occurred to any of us that we hadn't eaten for two days and that people \ndo eat.\n\nThen, closer to nightfall, they brought a group of detained criminals. They \nwere being watched by soldiers with guard dogs. One of the men came back from \nthe courtyard and told us about it. Raya Tovmasian . . . it was like a \ndifferent woman had been substituted. Earlier she had been crying, wailing, \nand calling out: \"Oh, Rafik!,\" but when she heard about this such a rage came \nover her! She jumped up, she had a coat on, and she started to roll up her \nsleeves like she was getting ready to beat someone. And suddenly there were \nsoldiers, and dogs, and lots of people. She ran over to them. The bandits were\nstanding there with their hands above their heads facing the wall. She went up\nto one of them and grabbed him by the collar and started to shake and thrash \nhim! Then, on to a second, and a third. Everyone was rooted to the spot. Not \none of the soldiers moved, no one went up to help or made her stop her from \ndoing it. And the bandits fell down and covered their heads with their hands, \nmuttering something. She came back and sat down, and something akin to a smile\nappeared on her face. She became so quiet: no tears, no cries. Then that round\nwas over and she went back to beat them again. She was walking and cursing \nterribly: take that, and that, they killed my husband, the bastards, the \ncreeps, and so on. Then she came back again and sat down. She probably did \nthis the whole night through, well, it wasn't really night, no one slept. She \nwent five or six times and beat them and returned. And she told the women, \n\"What are you sitting there for? They killed your husbands and children, they \nraped, and you're just sitting there. You're sitting and talking as though \nnothing had happened. Aren't you Armenians?\" She appealed to everyone, but no \none got up. I was just numb, I didn't have the strength to beat anyone, I \ncould barely hold myself up, all the more so since I had been standing for so \nmany hours--I was released at eleven o'clock in the morning and it was already\nafter ten at night because there weren't enough chairs, really it was the \nelderly and women with children who sat. I was on my feet the whole time. \nThere was nothing to breathe, the door was closed, and the men were smoking. \nThe situation was deplorable.\n\nAt eleven o'clock at night policemen came for us, local policemen, \nAzerbaijanis. They said, \"Get up. They've brought mattresses, you can wash up\nand put the children to bed.\" Now the women didn't want to leave this place, \neither. The place had become like home, it was safe, there were soldiers with \ndogs. If anyone went outside, the soldiers would say, \"Oh, it's our little \nfamily,\" and things like that. The soldiers felt this love, and probably, for \nthe first time in their lives perceived themselves as defenders. Everyone\nspoke from the heart, cried, and hugged them and they, with their loaded\nmachine guns in their hands, said, \"Grandmother, you mustn't approach me,\nI'm on guard.\" Our people would say, \"Oh, that's all right.\" They hugged\nthem, one woman even kissed one of the machine guns. This was all terribly\nmoving for me. And the small children kept wanting to pet the dogs.\n\nThey took us up to the second floor and said, \"You can undress and sleep in \nhere. Don't be afraid, the precinct is on guard, and it's quiet in the city.\"\nThis was the 29th, when the killing was going on in block 41A and in other\nplaces. Then we were told that all the Armenians were being gathered at the\nSK club and at the City Party Committee. They took us there. On the way I \nasked them to stop at the Maternity Home: I wanted to take Karina with me.\nI didn't know what was happening there. They told me, \"Don't worry, the\nMaternity Home is full of soldiers, more than mothers-to-be. So you can rest\nassured. I say, \"Well, I won't rest assured regardless, because the staff in\nthere is capable of anything.\"\n\nWhen I arrived at the City Party Committee it turned out that Karina had\nalready been brought there. They had seen fit to release her from the hospi-\ntal, deciding that she felt fine and was no longer in need of any care. Once\nwe were in the City Party Committee we gave free reign to our tears. We met \nacquaintances, but everyone was somehow divided into two groups, those who \nhadn't been injured, who were clothed, who had brought a pot of food with \nthem, and so on, and those, like me, like Raya, who were wearing whatever had \ncome their way. There were even people who were all made up, dolled up like \nthey had come from a wedding. There were people without shoes, naked people, \nhungry people, those who were crying, and those who had lost someone. And of \ncourse the stories and the talk were flying: \"Oh, I heard that they killed \nhim!\" \"What do you mean they killed him!\" \"He stayed at work!\" \"Do you know \nwhat's happening at this and such a plant? Talk like that.\n\nAnd then I met Aleksandr Mikhailovich Gukasian, the teacher. I know him very \nwell and respect him highly. I've known him for a long time. They had a small \nroom, well really it was more like a study-room. We spent a whole night \ntalking in that study once. On March 1 we heard that Bagirov [First Secretary \nof the Communist Party of Azerbaijan SSR] had arrived. Everyone ran to see \nBagirov, what news he had brought with him and how this was all being viewed \nfrom outside. He arrived and everyone went up to him to talk to him and ask \nhim things. Everyone was in a tremendous rage. But he was protected by \nsoldiers, and he went up to the second floor and didn't deign to speak with \nthe people. Apparently he had more important things to do.\n\nSeveral hours passed. Gukasian called me and says, \"Lyudochka, find another \ntwo or three. We're going to make up lists, they asked for them upstairs, \nlists of the dead, those whose whereabouts are unknown, and lists of people \nwho had pogroms of their apartments and of those whose cars were burned.\" I \nhad about 50 people in my list when they called me and said, \"Lyuda, your \nMamma has arrived, she's looking for you, she doesn't believe that you are \nalive and well and that you're here.\" I gave the lists to someone and asked \nthem to continue what I was doing and went off.\n\nThe list was imprecise, of course. It included Grant Adamian, Raya Tovmasian's\nfather, who was alive, but at the time they thought him dead. There was Engels\nGrigorian's father and aunt, Cherkez and Maria. The list also included the \nname of my girlfriend and neighbor, Zhanna Agabekian. One of the guys said \nthat he had been told that they chopped her head off in the courtyard in front\nof the Kosmos movie theater. We put her on the list too, and cried, but later \nit turned out that that was just a rumor, that in fact an hour earlier she had\nsomehow left Sumgait for the marina and from there had set sail for \nKrasnovodsk, where, thank God, she was alive and well. I should also say that \nin addition to those who died that list contained people who were rumored \nmissing or who were so badly wounded that they were given up for dead.                                                                 3\n\nAll the lists were taken to Bagirov. I don't remember how many dead were \ncontained in the list, but it's a fact that when Gukasian came in a couple \nof minutes later he was cursing and was terribly irate. I asked, \"What's \ngoing on?\" He said, \"Lyuda, can you imagine what animals, what scoundrels\nthey are! They say that they lost the list of the dead. Piotr Demichev\n[Member of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party\nof the USSR] has just arrived, and we were supposed to submit the list to\nhim, so that he'd see the scope of the slaughter, of the tragedy, whether it\nwas one or fifty.\" They told him that the list had disappeared and they\nshould ask everyone who hadn't left for the Khimik boarding house all over\nagain. There were 26 people on our second list. I think that the number 26\nwas the one that got into the press and onto television and the radio, because\nthat's the list that Demichev got. I remember exactly that there were 26 \npeople on the list, I had even told Aleksandr Mikhailovich that that was only \na half of those that were on the first list. He said, \"Lyuda, please, try to\nremember at least one more.\" But I couldn't remember anyone else. But there\nwere more than 30 dead. Of that I am certain. The government and the Procuracy\ndon't count the people who died of fright, like sick people and old people \nwhose lives are threatened by any shock. They weren't registered as victims of\nthe Sumgait tragedy. And then there may be people we didn't know. So many \npeople left Sumgait between March 1 and 8! Most of them left for smaller towns\nin Russia, and especially to the Northern Caucasus, to Stavropol, and the \nKrasnodarsk Territory. We don't have any information on them. I know that \nthere are people who set out for parts around Moscow. In the periodical \nKrestyanka [Woman Farmer] there was a call for people who know how to milk \ncows, and for mechanics, and drivers, and I know a whole group of people went \nto help out. Also clearly not on our list are those people who died entering\nthe city, who were burned in their cars. No one knows about them, except the \nAzerbaijanis, who are hardly likely to say anything about it. And there's\nmore. A great many of the people who were raped were not included in the list \ndrawn up at the Procuracy. I know of three instances for sure, and I of course\ndon't know them all. I'm thinking of three women whose parents chose not to \npublicize what had happened, that is, they didn't take the matter to court, \nthey simply left. But in so doing they didn't cease being victims. One of them\nis the first cousin of my classmate Kocharian. She lived in Microdistrict No. \n8, on the fifth floor. I can't tell you the building number and I don't know \nher name. Then comes the neighbor of one of my relatives, she lived in \nMicrodistrict 1 near the gift shop. I don't know her name, she lives on the \nsame landing as the Sumgait procurator. They beat her father, he was holding \nthe door while his daughter hid, but he couldn't hold the door forever, and \nwhen she climbed over the balcony to the neighbors' they seized her by her \nbraid. Like the Azerbaijanis were saying, it was a very cultured mob, because \nthey didn't kill anyone, they only raped them and left. And the third one \n. . . I don't remember who the third one was anymore.\n\nThey transferred us on March 1. Karina still wasn't herself. Yes, we lived for\ndays in the SK, in the cultural facility, and at the Khimik. They lived there \nand I lived at the City Party Committee because I couldn't stay with Karina; \nit was too difficult for me, but I was at peace: she had survived. I could \nalready walk, but really it was honest words that held me up. Thanks to the \nsocial work I did there, I managed to persevere. Aleksandr Mikhailovich said, \n\"If it weren't for the work I would go insane.\" He and I put ourselves in gear\nand took everything upon ourselves: someone had an infant and needed diapers \nand free food, and we went to get them. The first days we bought everything, \nalthough we should have received it for free. They were supposed to have been \ndispensed free of charge, and they sold it to us. Then, when we found out it \nwas free, we went to Krayev. At the time, fortunately, you could still drop by\nto see him like a neighbor, all the more so since everything was still clearly\nvisible on our faces. Krayev sent a captain down and he resolved the issue.\n\nOn March 2 they sent two investigators to see us: Andrei Shirokov and Vladimir\nFedorovich Bibishev. The way it worked out, in our family they had considered \nonly Karina and me victims, maybe because she and I wound up in the hospital.\nMother and Father are considered witnesses, but not victims.\n\nShirokov was involved with Karina's case, and Bibishev, with mine. After I \ntold him everything, he and I planned to sit down with the identikit and\nrecord everyone I could remember while everything was still fresh in my mind. \nWe didn't work with the identikit until the very last day because the\nconditions weren't there. The investigative group worked slowly and did poor \nquality work solely because the situation wasn't conducive to working: there \nweren't enough automobiles, especially during the time when there was a \ncurfew, and there were no typewriters for typing transcripts, and no still or \nvideo cameras. I think that this was done on purpose. We're not so poor that \nwe can't supply our investigators with all that stuff. It was done especially \nto draw out the investigation, all the more so since the local authorities saw\nthat the Armenians were leaving at the speed of light, never to return to \nSumgait. And the Armenians had a lot to say I came to an agreement with \nBibishev, I told him myself, \"Don't you worry, if it takes us a month or two \nmonths, I'll be here. I'm not afraid, I looked death in the eyes five times in\nthose two days, I'll help you conduct the investigation.\"\n\nHe and I worked together a great deal, and I used this to shelter Karina, I\ngave them so much to do that for a while they didn't have the time to get to\nher, so that she would at least have a week or two to get back to being her-\nself. She was having difficulty breathing so we looked for a doctor to take x-\nrays. She couldn't eat or drink for nine days, she was nauseous. I didn't eat\nand drank virtually nothing for five days. Then, on the fifth day, when we\nwere in Baku already, the investigator told me, \"How long can you go on like \nthis? Well fine, so you don't want to eat, you don't love yourself, you're\nnot taking care of yourself, but you gave your word that you would see this\ninvestigation through. We need you.\" Then I started eating, because in fact I\nwas exhausted. It wasn't enough that I kept seeing those faces in our apart-\nment in my mind, every day I went to the investigative solitary confinement\ncells and prisons. I don't know . . . we were just everywhere! Probably in\nevery prison in the city of Baku and in all the solitary confinement cells of\nSumgait. At that time they had even turned the drunk tank into solitary \nconfinement.\n\nThus far I have identified 31 of the people who were in our apartment. Mamma \nidentified three, and Karina, two. The total is 36. Marina didn't identify \nanyone, she remembers the faces of two or three, But they weren't among the \nphotographs of those detained. I told of the neighbor I recognized. The one \nwho went after the axe. He still hasn't been detained, he's still on the \nloose. He's gone, and it's not clear if he will be found or not. I don't know \nhis first or last name. I know which building he lived in and I know his \nsisters' faces. But he's not in the city. The investigators informed me that \neven if the investigation is closed and even if the trial is over they will \ncontinue looking for him.\n\nThe 31 people I identified are largely blue-collar workers from various \nplants, without education, and of the very lowest level in every respect.\nMostly their ages range from 20 to 30 years; there was one who was 48. Only\none of them was a student. He was attending the Azerbaijan Petroleum and\nChemical Institute in Sumgait, his mother kept trying to bribe the investiga-\ntor. Once, thinking that I was an employee and not a victim, she said in front\nof me \"I'll set you up a restaurant worth 500 rubles and give you 600 in cash\nsimply for keeping him out of Armenia,\" that is, to keep him from landing in\na prison on Armenian soil. They're all terribly afraid of that, because if the\ninvestigator is talking with a criminal and the criminal doesn't confess even\nthough we identified him, they tell him--in order to apply psychological\npressure--they say, \"Fine, don't confess, just keep silent. When you're in an\nArmenian prison, when they find out who you are, they'll take care of you\nin short order.\" That somehow gets to them. Many give in and start to talk.\n\nThe investigators and I were in our apartment and videotaped the entire\npogrom of our apartment, as an investigative experiment. It was only then\nthat I saw the way they had left our apartment. Even without knowing who was \nin our apartment, you could guess. They stole, for example, all the money and \nall the valuables, but didn't take a single book. They tore them up, burned \nthem, poured water on them, and hacked them with axes. Only the Materials\nfrom the 27th Congress of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and James \nFenimore Cooper's Last of the Mohigans. Oh yes, lunch was ready, we were \nboiling a chicken, and there were lemons for tea on the table. After they had \nbeen in our apartment, both the chicken and the lemons were gone. That's \nenough to tell you what kind of people were in our apartment, people who don't\neven know anything about books. They didn't take a single book, but they did \ntake worn clothing, food, and even the cheapest of the cheap, worn-out \nslippers.\n\nOf those whom I identified, four were Kafan Azerbaijanis living in Sumgait. \nBasically, the group that went seeking \"revenge\"--let's use their word for \nit--was joined by people seeking easy gain and thrill-seekers. I talked with \none of them. He had gray eyes, and somehow against the back-drop of all that \nblack I remembered him specifically because of his of his eyes. Besides taking\npart in the pogrom of our apartment, he was also involved in the murder of \nTamara Mekhtiyeva from Building 16. She was an older Armenian who had recently\narrived from Georgia, she lived alone and did not have anyone in Sumgait. I \ndon't know why she had a last name like that, maybe she was married to an \nAzerbaijani. I had laid eyes on this woman only once or twice, and know \nnothing about her. I do know that they murdered her in her apartment with an \naxe. Murdering her wasn't enough for them. They hacked her into pieces and \nthrew them into the tub with water.\n\nI remember another guy really well too, he was also rather fair-skinned. You \nknow, all the people who were in our apartment were darker than dark, both \ntheir hair and their skin. And in contrast with them, in addition to the grey-\neyed one, I remember this one fellow, the one l took to be a Lezgin. I \nidentified him. As it turned out he was Eduard Robertovich Grigorian, born\nin the city of Sumgait, and he had been convicted twice. One of our own. How \ndid I remember him? The name Rita was tattooed on his left or right hand. I \nkept thinking, is that Rita or \"puma,\" which it would be if you read the word \nas Latin characters instead of Cyrillic, because the Cyrillic \"T\" was the one \nthat looks like a Latin \"M.\" When they led him in he sat with his hands behind\nhis back. This was at the confrontation. He swore on every holy book, tried to\nput in an Armenian word here and there to try and spark my compassion, and \ntold me that I was making a mistake, and called me \"dear sister.\" He said, \n\"You're wrong, how could I, an Armenian, raise my hand against my own, an \nArmenian,\" and so on. He spoke so convincingly that even the investigator \nasked me, \"Lyuda, are you sure it was he?\" I told him, \"I'll tell you one more\nidentifying mark. If I'm wrong I shall apologize and say I was mistaken. The \nname Rita is tattooed on his left or right hand.\" He went rigid and became \npale. They told him, \"Put your hands on the table.\" He put his hands on the\ntable with the palms up. I said, \"Now turn your hands over,\" but he didn't \nturn his hands over. Now this infuriated me. If he had from the very start\nacknowledged his guilt and said that he hadn't wanted to do it, that they \nforced him or something else, I would have treated him somewhat differently.\nBut he insolently stuck to his story, \"No, I did not do anything, it wasn't \nme.\" When they turned his hands over the name Rita was in fact tattooed on his\nhand. His face distorted and he whispered something wicked. I immediately flew\ninto a rage. There was an ashtray on the table, a really heavy one, made out \nof granite or something, very large, and it had ashes and butts in it. \nCatching myself quite by surprise, I hurled that ashtray at him. But he ducked\nand the ashtray hit the wall, and ashes and butts rained down on his head and \nback. And he smiled. When he smiled it provoked me further. I don't know how, \nbut I jumped over the table between us and started either pounding him or \nstrangling him; I no longer remember which. When I jumped I caught the \nmicrophone cord. The investigator was there, Tolya . . .I no longer recall his\nlast name, and he says, \"Lyudochka, it's a Japanese microphone! Please . . .\n\" And shut off all the equipment on the spot, it was all being video taped. \nThey took him away. I stayed, and they talked to me a little to calm me down, \nbecause we needed to go on working, I only remember Tolya telling me, \"You're \nsome actress! What a performance!\" I said, \"Tolya, honestly . . . \" Beforehand\nthey would always tell me, \"Lyuda, more emotion. You speak as calmly as if \nnothing had happened to you.\" I say, \"I don't have any more strength or \nemotion. All my emotions are behind me now, I no longer have the strength \n. . . I don't have the strength to do anything.\" And he says, \"Lyuda, how were\nyou able to do that?\" And when I returned to normal, drinking tea and watching\nthe tape, I said, \"Can I really have jumped over that table? I never jumped \nthat high in gym class.\"\n\nSo you could say the gang that took over our apartment was international. Of \nthe 36 we identified there was an Armenian, a Russian, Vadim Vorobyev, who \nbeat Mamma, and 34 Azerbaijanis.\n\nAt the second meeting with Grigorian, when he had completely confessed his \nguilt, he told of how on February 27 the Azerbaijanis had come knocking. Among\nthem were guys--if you can call them guys--he knew from prison. They said, \n\"Tomorrow we're going after the Armenians. Meet us at the bus station at three\no'clock.\" He said, \"No, I'm not coming.\" They told him, \"If you don't come \nwe'll kill you.\" He said, \"Alright, I'll come.\" And he went.\n\nThey also went to visit my classmate from our microdistrict, Kamo Pogosian. He\nhad also been in prison; I think that together they had either stolen a \nmotorcycle or dismantled one to get some parts they needed. They called him \nout of his apartment and told him the same thing: \"Tomorrow we're going to get\nthe Armenians. Be there.\" He said, \"No.\" They pulled a knife on him. He said, \n\"I'm not going all the same.\" And in the courtyard on the 27th they stabbed \nhim several times, in the stomach. He was taken to the hospital. I know he was\nin the hospital in Baku, in the Republic hospital. If we had known about that \nwe would have had some idea of what was to come on the 28th.\n\nI'll return to Grigorian, what he did in our apartment. I remember that he\nbeat me along with all the rest. He spoke Azerbaijani extremely well. But he\nwas very fair-skinned, maybe that led me to think that they had it out for\nhim, too. But later it was proved that he took part in the beating and burning\nof Shagen Sargisian. I don't know if he participated in the rapes in our \napartment; I didn't see, I don't remember. But the people who were in our \napartment who didn't yet know that he was an Armenian said that he did. I \ndon't know if he confessed or not, and I myself don't recall because I blacked\nout very often. But I think that he didn't participate in the rape of Karina\nbecause he was in the apartment the whole time. When they carried her into the\ncourtyard, he remained in the apartment.\n\nAt one point I was talking with an acquaintance about Edik Grigorian. From her\nI learned that his wife was a dressmaker, his mother is Russian, he doesn't \nhave a father, and that he's been convicted twice. Well this will be his third\nand, I hope, last sentence. He beat his wife, she was eternally coming to work\nwith bruises. His wife was an Armenian by the name of Rita.\n\nThe others who were detained . . . well they're little beasts. You really can't\ncall them beasts, they're just little beasts. They were robots carrying out\nsomeone else's will, because at the investigation they all said, \"I don't \nunderstand how I could have done that, I was out of my head.\" But we know that\nthey were won around to it and prepared for it, that's why they did it. In the\nname of Allah, in the name of the Koran, in the name of propagating Islam--\nthat's holy to them--that's why they did everything they were commanded to do.\nBecause I saw they didn't have minds of their own, I'm not talking about their\nlevel of cultural sophistication or any higher values. No education, they\nwork, have a slew of children without the means to raise them properly, they \ncrowd them in, like at the temporary housing, and apparently, they were \npromised that if they slaughtered the Armenians they would receive apartments.\nSo off they went. Many of them explained their participation saying, \"they \npromised us apartments.\"\n\nAmong them was one who genuinely repented. I am sure that he repented from the\nheart and that he just despised himself after the incident. He worked at a \nchildren's home, an Azerbaijani, he has two children, and his wife works at \nthe children's home too. Everything that they acquired, everything that they \nhave they earned by their own labor, and wasn't inherited from parents or \ngrandparents. And he said, \"I didn't need anything I just don't know . . . how\nI ended up in that; it was like some hand was guiding me. I had no will of my \nown, I had no strength, no masculine dignity, nothing.\" And the whole time I\nkept repeating, \"Now you imagine that someone did the same to your young wife \nright before your own eyes.\" He sat there and just wailed.\n\nBut that leader in the Eskimo dogskin coat was not detained. He performed a \nmarvelous disappearing act, but I think that they'll get onto him, they just \nhave to work a little, because that Vadim, that boy, according to his\ngrandfather, is in touch with the young person who taught him what to do, how \nto cover his tracks. He was constantly exchanging jackets with other boys he \nknew and those he didn't, either, and other things as well, and changed \nhimself like a chameleon so they wouldn't get onto him, but he was detained.\n\nThat one in the Eskimo dogskin coat was at the Gambarians' after Aleksandr \nGambarian was murdered. He came in and said, \"Let's go, enough, you've spilled\nenough blood here.\"\n\nMaybe Karina doesn't know this but the reason they didn't finish her off was \nthat they were hoping to take her home with them. I heard this from Aunt Tanya\nand her sons, the Kasumovs, who were in the courtyard near the entryway. They \nliked her very much, and they had decided to take her to home with them. When \nKarina came to at one point--she doesn't remember this yet, this the neighbors \nold me--and she saw that there was no one around her, she started crawling to \nthe entryway. They saw that she was still alive and came back, they were \nalready at the third entryway, on their way to the Gambarians'. They came back\nand started beating her to finish her. If she had not come to she would have \nsustained lesser bodily injuries, they would have beat her less. An older \nwoman from our building, Aunt Nazan, an Azerbaijani, all but lay on top of \nKarina, crying and pleading that they leave her alone, but they flung her off.\nThe woman's grown sons were right nearby; they picked her up in their hands \nand led her home. She howled and cried out loudly and swore: God is on Earth, \nhe sees everything, and He won't forgive this.\n\nThere was another woman, too, Aunt Fatima, a sick, aging woman from the first \nfloor, she's already retired. Mountain dwellers, and Azerbaijanis, too, have a\ncustom: If men are fighting, they throw a scarf under their feet to stop them.\nBut they trampled her scarf and sent her home. To trample a scarf is \ntantamount to trampling a woman's honor.\n\nNow that the investigation is going on, now that a lot is behind us and we \nhave gotten back to being ourselves a little, I think about how could these \nevents that are now called the Sumgait tragedy happen? How did they come \nabout? How did it start? Could it have been avoided? Well, it's clear that \nwithout a signal, without permission from the top leadership, it would not \nhave happened. All the same, I'm not afraid to say this, the Azerbaijanis,\nlet other worthy people take no offense, the better representatives of their \nnations, let them take no offense, but the Azerbaijanis in their majority are \na people who are kept in line only by fear of the law, fear of retribution for\nwhat they have done. And when the law said that they could do all that, like\nunleashed dogs who were afraid they wouldn't have time to do everything, they \nthrew themselves from one thing to the next so as to be able to get more done,\nto snatch a bit more. The smell of the danger was already in the air on\nFebruary 27. You could tell that something was going to happen. And everyone \nwho had figured it out took steps to avoid running into those gangs. Many left\nfor their dachas, got plane tickets for the other end of the country, just got\nas far away as their legs would carry them.\n\nFebruary 27 was a Saturday. I was teaching my third class. The director came \ninto my classroom and said that I should let the children out, that there had \nbeen a call from the City Party Committee asking that all teachers gather for \na meeting at Lenin Square. Well, I excused the children, and there were few \nteachers left at school, altogether three women, the director, and six or \nseven men. The rest had already gone home. We got to Lenin Square and there \nwere a great many people there. This was around five-thirty or six in the \nevening, no later. They were saying all kinds of rubbish up on the podium and \nthe crowd below was supporting them stormily, roaring. They spoke over the \nmicrophone about what had happened in Kafan a few days earlier and that the \ndriver of a bus going to some district had recently thrown a small Azerbaijani\nchild off the bus. The speaker affirmed that he was an eyewitness, that he had\nseen it himself..The crowd started to rage: \"Death to the Armenians! They must\nbe killed!\" Then a woman went up on stage. I didn't see the woman because \npeople were clinging to the podium like flies. I could only hear her. The \nwoman introduced herself as coming from Kafan, and said that the Armenians \ncut her daughters' breasts off, and called, \"Sons, avenge my daughters!\" That \nwas enough. A portion of the people on the square took off running in the \ndirection of the factories, toward the beginning of Lenin Street.\n\nWe stood there about an hour. Then the director of School 25 spoke, he gave a \nvery nationalist speech. He said, \"Brother Muslims, kill the Armenians!\" This \nhe repeated every other sentence. When he said this the crowd supported him \nstormily, whistling and shouting \"Karabagh!\" He said, \"Karabagh has been our \nterritory my whole life long, Karabagh is my soul. How can you tear out my \nheart?\" As though an Azerbaijani would die without Karabagh. \"It's our \nterritory, the Armenians will never see it. The Armenians must be eliminated. \nFrom time immemorial Muslims have cleansed the land of infidel Armenians, from\ntime immemorial, that's the way nature created it, that every 20 to 30 years \nthe Azerbaijanis should cleanse the land of filth.\" By filth he meant \nArmenians.\n\nI heard this. Before that I hadn't been listening to the speeches closely.\nMany people spoke and I stood with my back to the podium, talking shop with \nthe other teachers, and somehow it all went right by, it didn't penetrate,\nthat in fact something serious was taking place. Then, when one of our\nteachers said, \"Listen to what he's saying, listen to what idiocy he's \nspouting,\" we listened. That was the speech of that director. Before that we \nlistened to the woman's speech.\n\nRight then in our group--there were nine of us--the mood changed, and the \nsubject of conversation and all school matters were forgotten. Our director of\nstudies, for whom I had great respect, he's an Azerbaijani . . . Before that I\nhad considered him an upstanding and worthy person, if there was a need to \nobtain leave we had asked him, he seemed like a good person. So he tells me,\n\"Lyuda, you know that besides you there are no Armenians on the square? If \nthey find out that you're an Armenian they'll tear you to pieces. Should I \ntell them you're an Armenian? Should I tell them you're an Armenian?\" When he \nsaid it the first time I pretended not to hear it, and then he asked me a \nsecond time. I turned to the director, Khudurova, and said that it was already\nafter eight, I was expected at home, and I should be leaving. She answered, \n\"No, they said that women should stay here until ten o'clock,.and men, until \ntwelve. Stay here.\" There was a young teacher with us, her children were in \nkindergarten and her husband worked shifts. She asked to leave: \"I left my \nchildren at the kindergarten.\" The director excused her. When she let her go I\nturned around, said, \"Good-bye,\" and left with the young teacher, the \nAzerbaijani. I didn't see them after that.\n\nWhen we were walking the buses weren't running, and a crowd from the rally ran\nnearby us. They had apparently gotten all fired up. It must have become too \nmuch for them, and they wanted to seek vengeance immediately, so they rushed \noff. I wasn't afraid this time because I was sure that the other teacher \nwouldn't say that I was an Armenian.\n\nTo make it short, we reached home. Then Karina told of how they had been at \nthe movies and what had happened there. I started telling of my experience and\nagain my parents didn't understand that we were in danger. We watched \ntelevision as usual, and didn't even imagine that tomorrow would be our last \nday. That's how it all was.\n\nAt the City Party Committee I met an acquaintance, we went to school together,\nZhanna, I don't remember her last name, she lives above the housewares store \non Narimanov Street. She was there with her father, for some reason she \ndoesn't have a mother. The two of them were at home alone. While her father \nheld the door she jumped from the third floor, and she was lucky that the \nground was wet and that there wasn't anyone behind the building when she went \nout on the balcony, there was no one there, they were all standing near the \nentryway. That building was also a lucky one in that there were no murders \nthere. She jumped. She jumped and didn't feel any pain in the heat of the \nmoment. A few days later I found out that she couldn't stand up, she had been \ninjured somehow. That's how people in Sumgait saved their lives, their honor, \nand their children: any way they could. \n\nWhere it was possible, the Armenians fought back. My father's first cousin, \nArmen M., lives in Block 30. They found out by phone from one of the victims \nwhat was going on in town. The Armenians in that building all called one \nanother immediately and all of them armed themselves with axes, knives, even \nwith muskets and went up to the roof. They took their infants with them, and \ntheir old women who had been in bed for God knows how many months, they got \nthem right out of their beds and took everyone upstairs. They hooked \nelectricity up to the trap door to the roof and waited, ready to fight. Then \nthey took the daughter of the school board director hostage, she's an \nAzerbaijani who lived in their building. They called the school board director\nand told her that if she didn't help them, the 17 Armenians on the roof, to \nescape alive and unharmed, she'd never see her daughter again. I'm sure, of \ncourse, that Armenians would never lay a hand on a woman, it was just the only\nthing that could have saved them at the time. She called the police. The \nArmenians made a deal with the local police to go into town. Two armored \npersonnel carriers and soldiers were summoned They surrounded the entryway and\nled everyone down from the roof, and off to the side from the armored \npersonnel carriers was a crowd that was on its way to the building at that \nvery moment, into Block 30. That's how they defended themselves.\n\nI heard that our neighbors, Roman and Sasha Gambarian, resisted. They're big, \nstrong guys. Their father was killed. And I heard that the brothers put up a \nstrong defense and lost their father, but were able to save their mother.\n\nOne of the neighbors told me that after it happened, when they were looking \nfor the criminals on March 1 to 2 and detaining everyone they suspected, \npeople hid people in our entryway, maybe people who were injured or perhaps \ndead. The neighbors themselves were afraid to go there, and when they went \nwith the soldiers into our basement they are supposed to have found \nAzerbaijani corpses. I don't know how many. Even if they had been wounded and \nput down there, after two days they would have died from loss of blood or \ninfection--that basement was filled with water. I heard this from the \nneighbors. And later when I was talking with the investigators the subject \ncame up and they confirmed it. I know, too, that for several hours the \nbasement was used to store objects stolen from our apartment. And our neighbor\ncarried out our carpet, along with the rest: he stole it for himself, posing \nas one of the criminals. Everyone was taking his own share, and the neighbor \ntook his, too, and carried it home. And when we came back, when everything \nseemed to have calmed down, he returned it, saying that it was the only thing \nof ours he had managed to \"save.\"\n\nRaya's husband and father defended themselves. The Trdatovs defended \nthemselves, and so did other Armenian families. To be sure there were\nAzerbaijani victims, although we'll never hear anything about them. For some \nreason our government doesn't want to say that the Armenians were not just \nvictims, but that they defended the honor of their sisters and mothers, too. \nIn the TV show \"Pozitsiya\" [Viewpoint] a military man, an officer, said that \nthe Armenians did virtually nothing to defend themselves. But that's not \nimportant, the truth will come out regardless.\n\nSo that's the price we paid those three days. For three days our courage, our \nbravery, and our humanity was tested. It was those three days, and not the \nyears and dozens of years we had lived before them, that showed what we've \nbecome, what we grew up to be. Those three days showed who was who.\n\nOn that I will conclude my narrative on the Sumgait tragedy. It should be said\nthat it's not over yet, the trials are still ahead of us, and the punishments\nreceived by those who so violated us, who wanted to make us into nonhumans \nwill depend on our position and on the work of the investigators, the \nProcuracy, and literally of every person who lent his hand to the investiga-\ntion. That's the price we paid to live in Armenia, to not fear going out on \nthe street at night, to not be afraid to say we're Armenians, and to not fear\nspeaking our native tongue.\n\n   October 15,1988\n   Yerevan\n\n\t\t\t- - - reference for #008 - - -\n\n[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,\n    Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by\n    Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 118-145\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org   | \"How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  the Armenian border, when we can't \nP.O. Box 382761                      |  even explain 1915?\" \nCambridge, MA 02238                  |              Turkish MP, March 1992 \n","1293":"Subject: Re: CBS NY Times Poll on Health Care Alternatives\nFrom: jwh@citi.umich.edu (Jim Howe)\nReply-To: jwh@citi.umich.edu\nOrganization: IFS Project, University of Michigan\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tarkus.citi.umich.edu\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.175543.19590@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:\n|> Thought others on the net might be interested in a selection of findings\n|> from the New York Times\/CBS News poll on national health care.  I'll leave\n|> it to Doug Fierro to enter the entire article if he chooses.  What follows\n|> is a selection of the findings.  (Paraphrased without permission.  Any\n|> errors are mine, not the Times.  The NY Times doesn't make mistakes.)\n|> \n|> [poll results deleted]\n\nThe economic and political ignorance of most Americans can be truly scary.\nPrice controls and government intervention.  The surest route to\ndisaster.  It's amazing, people never seem to learn from history (or\ncommon sense).  Price controls do not, and cannot work.  I would have\nthought our last experiment in the 70's would have been enough to \ndampen the belief that price controls can actually work.  As for\ngovernment intervention, people never seem to get the irony of what\nthe are saying.  We are told that entitlements are the biggest portion\nof the budget and they must be 'controlled'.  We are presented with\nhorror stories of waste and fraud in almost all government agencies.\nWe are shown stories about the miserable treatment our veterans get\nin our government run hospitals.  We are just now seeing stories about\nhow Social Security isn't going to cut it in the future (as if that\nshould come as any surprise).  And yet, people choose to ignore all\nof that and believe in the fairy tale of the government coming to\nthe rescue.  Simply amazing.\n\n\n\nJames W. Howe                  internet: jwh@citi.umich.edu\nUniversity of Michigan             uucp: uunet!mailrus!citi.umich.edu!jwh\nAnn Arbor, MI   48103-4943         \n","1294":"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)\nSubject: Radio Shack voice recognition chips\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 10\n\nHi there,\n\nI have a friend who'd like to get a hold of a bunch of those simple voice\nrecognition chips that Radio Shack used to sell (and no longer does).  If\nanybody knows of a source for these, please e-mail me.  I'll forward the\nresponses to him.\n\nThanks!\n\n\t\t\t\t\t---Joel Kolstad\n","1295":"From: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone)\nSubject: CD SPEEDWAY - any good?\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 12\nReply-To: al885@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gerard Pinzone)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nAnybody use CD Speedway out there?  Is it as good as they say?  I hate\nwaiting around for my CD to finish loading the next level in WC and the\nsuch.\n\nHow much memory does it eat up?\n\n-- \n   _______   ________   ________   \"Small nose, loose girls, no nipples, (.|.)\n  \/   ___\/  \/  _____\/  \/  __   \/   Iczer curls!\"  -=-  Gerard Pinzone     ).(\n \/   ___\/  \/  \/____   \/  __   \/           gpinzone@tasha.poly.edu        ( v )\n\/______\/  \/_______\/  \/__\/ \/__\/       Join the ECA Wehrmacht! Kill CM!     \\|\/\n","1296":"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols)\nSubject: Re: ATM\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <1r1jq4$af5@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:\n>\n>I've been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use\n>ATManager. Lately, all the packages I've been buying have all\n>included ATManager as a \"bonus\"\n>I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw.\n>Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff\n>types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a\n>decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4\n>Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the \"Resolution Enhancement \n>Technology\" and ..  well ... I get some darn good copies. \n>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned\n>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these\n>better printer technologies ... and TT?\n\nATM will do nothing for your TrueType fonts.  If your TrueType fonts are\nsufficient for your needs, don't run ATM.  I have a lot of fonts that I can\ninstall either as Type-1 PostScript (under ATM) or as TrueType.  I have\nnoticed that:\n\n    1.\tTrueType font files are at least 1\/3 larger than their Type-1\n\tequivalents.  If you are using a disk compressor, though, be aware\n\tthat TrueType fonts will compress, whereas Type-1 fonts will not\n\t(they are encrypted).\n\n    2.\tWith a 300 dpi laser printer, the \"artificial bold\" version of a\n\tTrueType font is indistingishable from the original, forcing me to\n\tinstall the actual bold (and bold-italic, etc.) variants if I want\n\tto use them.  Type-1 PostScript fonts under ATM generate a visually\n\tdistinct bold variant from the base font.  I realize that the\n\tartificial bold font that ATM generates is aesthetically inferior\n\tto the hand-generated bold TrueType variant, but it is sufficient\n\tfor my needs, and not having to install bold variants saves me 50%\n\ton disk space (uncompressed).\n\n--\nBob Nichols\nAT&T Bell Laboratories\nrnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com\n","1297":"From: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)\nSubject: Scanning radio:Realistic PRO-2024-was $200, sell for $150\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 45\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n\n\nArticle 10886 of alt.radio.scanner:\nPath: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!aj008\nFrom: aj008@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Aaron M. Barnes)\n>Newsgroups: alt.radio.scanner\nSubject: Realistic PRO-2024 for sale-was $200,sell for $150 obo\nDate: 20 Apr 1993 16:01:28 GMT\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 26\nMessage-ID: <1r16oo$3du@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc10.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nHello.\n\nI have a Realistic PRO-2024 scanner for sale.Here is a small desc\nription:\n\n60 programible chanels\nfully detailed backlighted digital display\nheadphone jack\nantenna jack\nremovable telescoping antenna\nauto search\n\ncoverage:\n30-50mHz\n118-174mHz\n380-512mHz\n\nIt originally cost $200, but I will sell for $150.\n\nThank You.\n-- \n       \/ \/     Buchanan in `96!\n      \/ \/      Fear the goverment that fears your guns.\n  \\ \\\/ \/       Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou\n   \\\/ \/        r freedoms.           aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu\n-- \n       \/ \/     Buchanan in `96!\n      \/ \/      Fear the goverment that fears your guns.\n  \\ \\\/ \/       Without the 2nd amendment, we cannot guarantee ou\n   \\\/ \/        r freedoms.           aj008@cleveland.freenet.edu\n","1298":"From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)\nSubject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA\nNntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nLines: 12\n\nFrom what I've seen in my 17 years as an MOA member, most of the folks\nin the RA are also in the MOA... I guess it's called covering all the\nbases to get some idea of what is really happening.. How else does one\nthink the RA gets all the juicey news about what's happen' inside the \nMOA?\n\nNihilism isn't for everyone, not that it really matters!\nCraig Vechorik\nBMW MOA Ambassador  (and ya, I finally sent my bucks into the RA too)\n\"REAL BMW's have TWO wheels\"  <--- politically correct statement\nDOD #843\n\n","1299":"From: rab@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Bickford)\nSubject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine\nNntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us\nOrganization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <TOM.93Apr21114536@amber.ssd.csd.harris.com>,\n  tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) writes:\n>\n>This isn't intended to be a flame or anything, I am just really curious\n>how to manufacture these things while still maintaining the key escrow\n>security without simply saying \"trust the manufacturer, they won't look\".\n\nWithout getting into the *really* *thorny* questions about reverse\nengineering and all of that, let me just point out that there already\nexist gate arrays and suchlike that have what's known as a security fuse\nwhich can be programmed after you've verified all other programming --\nthis makes it impossible to read out the programming of the device\n(again, ignoring the reverse engineering questions).  Speaking from\nexperience here: I had to completely reinvent one of my designs some\nsix or seven years ago when the disk file was zapped, the backups were\nall bad, and the devices were unreadable because of the security fuses.\nMade me appreciate the value of printouts.  ;-)\n\nSo on this point at least there's not so much worry.\n\nBut whether or not we can get the chips made reliably and securely is\nreally secondary to the question of whether use of the chip is itself\nlikely to be secure, methinks.\n--\n Robert Bickford      \"A Hacker is any person who derives joy from\n rab@well.sf.ca.us    discovering ways to circumvent limitations.\" rab'86\n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\n\"I recognize that a class of criminals and juvenile delinquents has\ntaken to calling themselves 'hackers', but I consider them irrelevant\nto the true meaning of the word; just as the Mafia calls themselves\n'businessmen' but nobody pays that fact any attention.\"            rab'90\n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\n","1300":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: migraine and exercise\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <C4Iozx.7wx@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:\n\n>I have two questions. Is there any obvious connection between the\n>flushed appearance and the migraine? Was I foolish to play through\n>the migraine (aside from the visual disturbance affecting my play)?\n>I just prefer to ignore it when possible.\n>\n\nThe flushing is due to vascular dilation, part of a migraine attack.\nSome people event get puffy and swollen.  As long as you are careful\nyou can see well enough to avoid getting hit in the face or eye by\nthe ball, migraine will not hurt your health.\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1301":"From: aidler@sol.uvic.ca (E Alan Idler)\nSubject: Re: Mormon Temples\nOrganization: University of Victoria\nLines: 80\n\nmserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes:\n\n>saw8712@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Steve A. Ward) writes:\n\n>>dan@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:\n>[Dan's question about Mormon Temple rituals deleted for brevity]\n>> \n>>Just thought I would interject this, and I believe you Dan when you say\n>>that you don't mean to offend:  For us LDS temple goers, the temple\n>>ceremonies are very sacred.  So much so that anyone who goes there\n>>promises never to divulge them.  So how much can you trust someone\n>>who is telling you about the cerermony? \n\n>One thing I don't understand is why being sacred should make the\n>temple rituals secret.  There are lots of sacred things in\n>Christianity, including the Sacred Scriptures themselves, but there is\n>nothing secret about these things.  \n\nIs it appropriate for the Lord not to reveal certain \nthings before the world (i.e., publish them widely)?\n\nThese things sacred to Himself.  He may place any \npre- or post-conditions He feels are necessary.\n\nMoreover, there are precedents in scripture where\nknowledge of sacred things is withheld:\n\n1. After the Transfiguration Jesus instructed\nPeter, James, and John to \"tell the vision to no \nman, until the Son of man be risen again from \nthe dead\" (Matt. 17:9).  \nIf we were living at the time of Savior, there\nwould be no (public) record of this event.\n\n2. A faithful friend of Paul experiences a vision \nof \"paradise\" when he \"heard unspeakable words, \nwhich it is not lawful for a man to utter\"\n(2 Cor. 12:4).\nThis person heard something which Paul can not \nwrite to the Corinthians (and us).\n\n3. There is an incident recorded in the Book of\nMormon where words uttered by \"babes\" were \n\"forbidden that there should not any man write\nthem (3 Nephi 26:16, the entire text follows\nfor those of you without access to the BOM).\n\n3 Nephi 26:16\nBehold, it came to pass on the morrow that the \nmultitude gathered themselves together, and they\nboth saw and heard these children; yea, even \nbabes did open their mouths and utter marvelous\nthings; and the things which they did utter were\nforbidden that there should not any man write them.\n\nSome LDS scholars speculate that these words\nwhich could not be written are the sacred\nportions from temple we are to withhold from \nthe world (but it could be something else).\n\n>I\n>can understand why Mormons would limit temple access to only faithful\n>Mormons, but I have never understood the emphasis on shrouding temple\n>ritual in mystery.  \n\nThere is much we can discuss about the temple \nordinances.  We can discuss regarding baptisms\nand other vicarious ordinances for the dead.\nWe can discuss certain concepts regarding the\nendowment (\"the ritual\").\nHowever, there are certain elements I can not\ndiscuss with anyone (including other saints)\noutside of the temple.\nAs a portion of the endowment, we receive the\ntokens and signs that will permit us access\nto Heaven.  I must keep this knowledge sacred \nand respect the conditions under which it is\nrevealed to me.\n\nA IDLER\n","1302":"From: casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI.\/PPE)\nSubject: Re: American Jewish Congress Open Letter to Clinton\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \nOrganization: European Organization for Nuclear Research, CERN\nLines: 84\n\nIn article <C5vBnv.CJ@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes...\n>In article <22APR199300374349@vxcrna.cern.ch> casper@vxcrna.cern.ch (CASPER,DAVI.\/PPE) writes:\n>> [I complained about the US taking the point in Bosnia, when the Europeans\n>>  should be doing it]\n>  [Ken says the Bosnians are morally superior to the Serbians...] \n\n>This implies both sides are equal.  True, it may sometimes be difficult or\n>impossible to determine which side is the victim, but that does not mean that\n>victims do not exist.  \n\nYes, victims exist.  There are a staggering number of victims in the world and\nmore each day.  I think on balance, intervention would create more victims,\nincluding American ones.  Since the first responsibility of the US government\nis to protect Americans, I think they serve that role best by staying away\nfrom Bosnia and other regional conflicts.\n\n>Would you, in WWII have said that there were atrocities\n>on the sides of both the Jews and the Germans?\n\nOf course not.  The Jews were not trying to carve a territory out of Germany\neither, and except for small-scale resistance and a few larger uprisings, did\nnot have an army or a government.\n\n>>These people have been butchering each other for centuries.  When one\n>>side wins and gets what it wants, it will stop.\n> \n>Yes, but both sides want different things.  The Muslims chiefly want to not\n>be \"ethnic cleansed\".  The Serbians want to \"ethnic cleanse\" the Muslims.  It\n>is indeed true that each side will stop when it gets what it wants, but the\n>things that the two sides want are not equivalent.\n\nI see the pattern of atrocities as a fairly often practiced tactic of a\ncolonizing power - driving away and\/or eliminating the population of an\narea they want to control.  The US tried basically that in Vietnam, the Iraqis\nin Kuwait, the Israelis in Palestine, South Africa, etc, etc, etc.  It sucks,\nit's ugly, and it's saddening.  But it is not genocide.\n\nIt is not my impression that the Serbs want to eliminate every Muslim in\nYugoslavia.  I still say the Bosnians are getting their asses kicked; they\nshould surrender and evacuate the areas they can't hold.\n\n> [I said the fixation on Bosnia is due to it being in a European country,\n>  rather than the third world]\n> \n>I recall, before we did anything for Somalia, (apparent) left-wingers saying\n>that the reason everyone was more willing to send troops to Bosnia than to\n>Somalia was because the Somalis are third-worlders who Americans consider\n>unworthy of help.  They suddenly shut up when the US decided to send troops to\n>the opposite place than that predicted by the theory.\n\nI am a staunch Republican, BTW.  The irony of arguing against military\nintervention with arguments based on Vietnam has not escaped me.  I was opposed\nto US intervention in Somalia for the same reasons, although clearly it was\nnot nearly as risky.\n\n>For that matter, this theory of yours suggests that Americans should want to\n>help the Serbs.  After all, they're Christian, and the Muslims are not.  If\n>the desire to intervene in Bosnia is based on racism against people that are\n>less like us, why does everyone _want_ to help the side that _is_ less like us?\n>Especially if both of the sides are equal as you seem to think?\n\nWell, one thing you have to remember is, the press likes a good story.   Good\nfor business, don't you know.  And BTW, not \"everyone\" wants to help the\nside that is less like us.\n\nI never said the two sides were morally equivalent, I said neither one is\ninnocent.\n\nThere are just too many good reasons to stay away:\n\n1) The Europeans are perfectly able to deal with this dispute on their borders\n   in any way we do it.  Put another way, we have no assistance to offer the\n   Europeans which they do not already possess themselves.  It is not good to\n   promote the idea in anyone's mind that the United States is responsible\n   for cleaning up every bloody mess in the world.\n\n2) Clinton is not the man to lead this country into a military adventure.  Full\n   stop.\n\n3) It is by no means clear what intervention would accomplish, nor that it\n   would necessarily help the victims.  It is not clear what the goal is and\n   at what point any commitment could be ended.\n\n\n","1303":"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: Re: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II)\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nLines: 156\n\nv140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case) writes:\n>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes...\n>>The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees.\n>> \n>>Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really\n>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n>>why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance\n>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n>\n>And maybe that's not such a good thing. I also read somewhere that\n>it is next to impossible in Canada to litigate against the health \n>system-class action suits are nearly impossible, and you can't sue\n>the provincial health officials at all.\n\nSince our doctors are private and the \"system\" is just an insurance\nplan, litigation would not involve the insurance fund.  Our lawyers\ndo not work on contingency, so that if you were to sue for malpractice\nthen you'd better be sure of winning to cover your fees ... likewise,\nif you were a doctor and subject of a suit, it's time to sweat.\n\n>>Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when\n>>the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors\n>>were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength\n>>rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized\n>>medicine approaches like Britain's National Health Service.\n>\n>Oh no. Don't let the AMA know about this. They have enough power as it \n>is. Ask most Americans whether they'd like the doctors' lobby to get \n>more powerful.\n\nA few weeks ago, the president of the Canadian MA wrote a letter to\nthe NYT to decry a lobbyist's advert repeating the same old trash.\nThis is significant because the AMA and the CMA are interlinked\norganizations and he would not have done it without the approval \nof his AMA cronies.\n\n>Well, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre outside\n>Ottawa.  Theoretically it's limited to service personnel, but some\n>studies I've heard about have suggested that about half the patients\n>there are civilians who not only have connections but aren't \"urgent\"\n>at all.\n\nIt serves the same purpose as the Bethesda Naval Hospital ... since\nnot all hospitals can provide everything, maybe they have some stuff\nthat others don't?  (Ottawa's population is only a quarter million,\nif you include the surrounding counties.)\n\n>The problem is, in a system where hospitals' annual budgets are\n>>approved by the government, how do you keep political considerations\n>out of medical decisions?  I bet that if you're an MP or MPP, or good\n>friends with one, you're put on any hospital's \"urgent\" care list no\n>matter how minor your problem. Which is OK unless you're someone who\n>gets bumped off the list for some bigshot.\n\nPeople of influence will get their way in any system, American or\nEuropean.  It's the \"Golden Rule\" - he who has the gold makes the\nrules. (-;\n\nAs for annual budgets, those are actually annual grants for facilities\n(e.g., mops, pans, etc.) given to hospitals of which most are private\nnonprofit foundations (btw, I have no problem with having aggressive\nfor-profit hospitals like the French, who use our approach ... but in\nthe Paris region they have almost as many people as Canada does so\ntheir market is much more diverse).  The rest has to be made up for\nby billings from patients who use their services.\n\n>>>WOULDN'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW  \n>>>FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS?  \n>>>\n>>>In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental  \n>>>care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private  \n>>>hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private  \n>>>insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40  \n>>>a month.  \n>\n>Hmm. How much difference would it make in the figure of percentage \n>of GNP spent on health care if dentistry and optometry were included \n>in the accounting?   Maybe Canada spends proportionately just as much \n>on health care as we do.\n\nThe GDP figures are combined public and private expenditures for total\noutlay, and  are compiled use the same methods by the OECD that yield \nthe 13-14% figure for the U.S.\n\n>So what happens if the health care systems financially collapse.\n\nHow?  They are collecting premiums ... and I'm an advocate of having\ncopayments like the French do in their system in order to make it look\nmore like the real insurance that it is.  The private doctors and \nhospitals will still be there after the insurance (hypothically)\ndisappears, as they were there before it appeared.\n\n>Bob Rae, the second least popular man in Ontario, warned Ontarians a\n>few years ago that if they didn't stop cross-border shopping in such\n>huge numbers, \"the services they expect from the province just won't\n>be there in a few years\"\n\nFor one thing, I think that Bob Rae is an idiot ...\n\n>He didn't say so, but I knew he meant the OHIP.\n\nMost of OHIP comes from separate premiums on your paycheck if you are\na player ...  he wants to spend our money on other things than the\nhealth insurance.  Our high taxes are high for other spending but\nhealth insurance, which is separate and optional, and it is being \nspent in a nonpartisan manner by every party. )-;\n\nOHIP is just a health insurance plan; it does not provide any kind\nof health care, that is up to you and your private doctors.\n\n>Would the private insurers take up the slack? They'd be under no\n>obligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again, \n>but if what you say is true, they'd be loathe to do so (and out of\n>practice in handling such basic services, too).\n\nSome of the companies providing extra insurance are subsidiaries of\nAmerican companies, and their parents provide full insurance down\nhere.  Regardless, all firms up north can easily turn on cable TV\nto see how well the American firms are doing by being involved in\nbasic coverage.  The private firms are making too much money after\nhaving gotten rid of basic coverage.  They run around patting them-\nselves on the back for their own cooperation in providing extras \nfor those people who \"deserve it\".\n\n>>When private insurance realized how much money they'd make without the\n>>risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe\n>>amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on\n>>the fritz in someone's private hospital room), they started to pat\n>>themselves on the back for their social responsibility.  In Quebec\n>>last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against\n>>any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province's\n>>public health insurance plan.\n>\n>Again, I doubt Americans would like giving the insurance companies that\n>much power. I half wonder if the Canadian health insurers didn't go \n>along with the provinces and the federal government years ago because\n>they knew that there was a good chance of the public system going bust\n>in the long run, and then afterwards they could clean up (Okay, this \n>sort of contradicts what I said higher up. But it's another possibility).\n>They'd have an added bonus when arguing against government\n>involvement in their industry-as they could then point to its failure\n>instead of just citing theoretical principles.\n\nI agree ... they were in a win-win situation.  But right now, it seems\nthat they have won bigger, when you look at how full their coffers\nare.  Friends from my sisters' MBA class were still being flown out\nfor job interviews individually with insurance firms in London, ON,\n(Canada's insurance capitol a la Hartford) along with generous expense\nprivileges this year despite the ongoing post-recession blues.\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n","1304":"From: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker)\nSubject: Re: build X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1 (Aix 3.2.3e)\nOrganization: western geophysical exploration products\nLines: 50\nNNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com\nIn-reply-to: dla@se05.wg2.waii.com's message of 22 Apr 1993 01:02:41 GMT\n\n>>>>> On 22 Apr 1993 01:02:41 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said:\n\tDoug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com\n\n>>>>> On 21 Apr 1993 03:49:16 GMT, dla@se05.wg2.waii.com (Doug Acker) said:\n\tDoug> NNTP-Posting-Host: se05.wg2.waii.com\n\tDoug> I  am  having  a  big problem trying to build MIT X11R5 with xlc 1.2.1\n\tDoug> (the  one  bundled  with  AIX  3.2.3e).   Its almost the linker is not\n\tDoug> working properly with shared libraries.\n\n\tDoug> I've built X11R5 with no problem before .. but now its all  headaches.\n\tDoug> For example, the xset client complains that libXmu doesnt have a bunch\n\tDoug> of Xt routines and shr.o is missing (or  something  like  that).   The\n\tDoug> build of libXmu DOES link in libXt  so I am really perplexed  what  is\n\tDoug> going on.\n\n\n\tDoug> ....following up on this, the specific error I get is:\n\tDoug> Could not load program .\/xset \n\tDoug> Symbol XtVaSetValues in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Symbol XtName in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Symbol XtWindowOfObject in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Symbol XtGetConstraintResourceList in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Symbol XtDisplayToApplicationContext in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Symbol XtAppSetTypeConverter in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\tDoug> Symbol XtScreenDatabase in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Symbol XtResolvePathname in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Symbol XtCvtStringToFont in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Symbol XtCallConverter in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Symbol XtDisplayStringConversionWarning in ..\/..\/.\/lib\/Xmu\/libXmu.a is undefined\n\tDoug> Could not load library libXmu.a[shr.o]\n\tDoug> Error was: Exec format error\n\n\n....  a  search  on  IBMLINK  revealed that this is similar to IX33890\n(howervre this was closed USE).\n--\nDouglas L.Acker                Western Geophysical Exploration Products\n____    ____     ____          a division of Western Atlas International Inc.\n\\   \\  \/   \/\\   \/   \/\\         A Litton \/ Dresser Company\n \\   \\\/   \/  \\ \/   \/  \\        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n  \\  \/   \/ \\  \/   \/\\   \\       Internet  :  acker@wg2.waii.com\n   \\\/___\/   \\\/___\/  \\___\\      Voice     :  (713) 964-6128\n","1305":"From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research)\nSubject: Re: From Israeli press. Madness.\nLines: 8\nNf-ID: #R:cdp:1483500342:cdp:1483500347:000:151\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr    Apr 17 15:37:00 1993\n\n\nBefore getting excited and implying that I am posting\nfabrications, I would suggest the readers to consult the\nnewspaper in question. \n\nTahnks,\n\nElias\n","1306":"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Hate Crimes Laws\nArticle-I.D.: midway.1993Apr6.043935.27366\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr4.011042.24938@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com\n>(Steve Hendricks) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu>\n>>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:\n>>>...\n>>>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and\n>>>battery.  Why must we add gay bashing to the list?  Isn't this a sort of\n>>>double jeopardy?  Or am I just being a fascist again?\n>>\n>>() To deter an epidemic of \"gay bashing\" that has not been deterred by\n>>   assault laws.  \n>\n>So we ought to make beating up a homosexual more illegal than beating up a\n>straight?  \n\nAnd who's advocating that?  Hate crimes laws are aimed at the motivations\nof the acts.  Just like premeditated homicide is treated stricter than\nheat-of-passion homicide.\n\n>>() No, it is not \"double jeopardy.\"  A single act may lead to multiple\n>>   charges and multiple crimes.\n>\n>I think what you meant to say here was, \"With the current mutation of the US\n>Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple\n>times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade.\"  A single\n>act should never merit more than on charge.  \n\nSo if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with\nmore than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property\ndamage?  After all, the bomb was a single act.\n\n>Douglas C. Meier\t\t|  You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf\n\n\n-- \nted frank                 | \"However Teel should have mentioned that though \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |  his advice is legally sound, if you follow it \nthe u of c law school     |  you will probably wind up in jail.\"\nstandard disclaimers      |                    -- James Donald, in misc.legal\n","1307":"From: merlyn@digibd.digibd.com (Merlyn LeRoy)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nNntp-Posting-Host: digibd.digibd.com\nOrganization: DigiBoard, Incorporated, Eden Prairie,MN\nLines: 13\n\nbrian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602\/621-9615) writes:\n>In article <bskendigC5Ku3C.6Dx@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n>>I've asked your god several times with all my heart to come to me...\n\n>Brian K., I am pleased with your honesty.  And to be honest as well, I\n>believe you have not asked my god to come to you.  Why do I say this?\n\nBecause that would contradict your religious beliefs; therefore,\nyou feel more comfortable simply accusing his sincerity, so you will\nnot have to critically examine your religious beliefs.\n\n---\nMerlyn LeRoy\n","1308":"From: brown@NCoast.ORG (Stan Brown)\nSubject: Re: Program manager ** two questions\nOrganization: Oak Road Systems, Cleveland Ohio USA\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.204406.20330@vpnet.chi.il.us> lisbon@vpnet.chi.il.us (Gerry Swetsky) writes:\n>\n>(1) Is it possible to change the icons in the program groups?  I'd like\n>    to give them some individuality.\n\nDo you mean the icons _of_ the program groups, or the icons of the\nindividual programs _in_ the program groups?  I assume you mean the\nlatter, and the answer is: sure you can.  Just click once (not double)\non the application icon, then Alt-F P (File | Properties).  Click on the\nChange Icon box and tell it the icon filename.  Or use the Browse\nsub-selection.\n\n>(2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? \n>    I know <CTL><ESC>, <ESC> will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I \n>    can avoid the task list and get back to the P\/M with <ALT><F1>.\n\nI use Alt-Tab.  Hold the Alt key and repeatedly press Tab until you see\nProgram Mangler up.  Then release the Alt key.\n\n\n-- \nStan Brown, Oak Road Systems                    brown@Ncoast.ORG\nEnglish is my native language and I love it.  But don't try to tell me\nthat it's easy to learn or that it makes sense.  If it were, \"baseline\"\nwould rhyme with \"vaseline\".\n","1309":"From: jeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu (Jeff Hite )\nSubject: Re: Monitor Shut-down on 13\" Hi-Res\nOrganization: University of Oregon Network Services\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.183527.3365@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu>  \nhew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:\n> THere is a defect in the 13\" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and \n> they will replace the flyback for free, I think.\n> \n> \n> \tI just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing \n> them for free.\n> \n> \n> \t________________\n> \t- \/ o r r\n\nThe service notice on the 13\" hi-res monitors expired 3\/23\/93 after this  \ndate Apple will NOT reimburse service providers for the fix (replacement  \nof the hi-voltage capacitor). All you folks that have been putting up with  \nintermittant shutdowns without getting it to your service provider missed  \nout on the freebie. It was in force for a year. If you got it free after  \n3\/23, you got a deal...\nJeff Hite\nComputing Center\nU of Oregon\njeffh@ludwig.cc.uoregon.edu\n","1310":"From: shavlik@cs.wisc.edu (Jude Shavlik)\nSubject: Program & Reg Forms: 1st Int Conf on Intell Sys for Molecular Biology\nKeywords: computational biology, artificial intelligence\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept\nLines: 482\n\n[For those attending the AAAI conf this summer, note that\nthis conference is immediately preceding it.]\n\n\n         PRELIMINARY PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION MATERIALS\n\n              First International Conference on\n          Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology\n\n                       Washington, D.C.\n                        July 6-9, 1993\n\nSponsored by:\n  The National Institutes of Health, \n     National Library of Medicine\n\n  The Department of Energy, \n     Office of Health and Environmental Research\n\n  The Biomatrix Society\n\n  The American Association for Artificial Intelligence (AAAI)\n\nPoster Session and Tutorials:  \n  Bethesda Ramada Hotel\n\nTechnical Sessions:\n  Lister Hill Center Auditorium, National Library of Medicine\n\nFor more information contact ISMB@nlm.nih.gov or FAX (608)262-9777\n\n                           PURPOSE\nThis, the First International Conference on Intelligent Systems \nfor Molecular Biology, is the inaugural meeting in a series \nintended to bring together scientists who are applying the \ntechnologies of artificial intelligence, robotics, machine \nlearning, massively parallel computing, advanced data modelling, \nand related methods to problems in molecular biology.  The scope \nextends to any computational or robotic system supporting a \nbiological task that is cognitively challenging, involves a \nsynthesis of information from multiple sources at multiple levels, \nor in some other way exhibits the abstraction and emergent \nproperties of an \"intelligent system.\"  \n\n                          FACILITIES\nThe conference will be held at\n   Lister Hill Center \n   National Library of Medicine\n   8600 Rockville Pike\n   NIH, Building 38A\n   Bethesda MD 20894\nSeating in the conference center is strictly limited, so \nregistrations will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis. \nAccomodations, as well as a reception and poster session, will be \nat the\n   Bethesda Ramada Hotel \n   8400 Wisconsin Avenue\n   Bethesda MD 20814\nA special room rate has been negotiated with the hotel, of $92\/day \n(expires 6\/21).  Attendees must make their own reservations, by \nwriting the hotel or calling (800)331-5252 and mentioning the \nISMB conference.  To participate in a roommate-matching service, \ne-mail opitz@cs.wisc.edu.\n\n                         TRANSPORTATION\nThe two facilities are within easy walking distance, convenient to \nthe subway (Metro Red Line, Medical Center stop), and from there \nto the Amtrak station.  Nearby airports include Dulles, National, \nand Baltimore-Washington International. \n\n                           PROCEEDINGS\nFull-length papers from both talks and posters will be published in\narchival proceedings.  The citation is: \n\n  Proceedings of the First International \n  Conference on Intelligent Systems for \n  Molecular Biology (eds. L. Hunter, \n  D. Searls, and J. Shavlik) AAAI\/MIT\n  Press, Menlo Park CA, 1993.  \n\nCopies will be distributed at the conference to registered \nattendees, and will be available for purchase from the publisher \nafterwards.\n\n                             TALKS\nWednesday, July 7, 1993\n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n8:00-9:00am     Continental Breakfast\n\n9:00-9:15am     Opening Remarks\n\n9:15-10:30am    Invited Talk\n \"Statistics, Protein Cores, and Predicted Structures\"\n Prof. Temple Smith (Boston University)\n\n10:30-11:00am\tBreak\n\n11:00am\t\"Constructive Induction and Protein Structure Prediction\"\n T.R. Ioerger, L. Rendell, & S. Surbramaniam\n\n11:30am\t\"Protein Secondary-Structure Modeling with Probabilistic \n Networks\"  A.L. Delcher, S. Kasif, H.R. Goldberg, & W. Hsu\n\n12:00-1:30pm\tLunch\n\n1:30pm\t\"Protein Secondary Structure using Two-Level Case-Based \n Reasoning\"  B. Leng, B.G. Buchanan, & H.B. Nicholas\n\n2:00pm \t\"Automatic Derivation of Substructures Yields Novel \n Structural Building Blocks in Globular Proteins\" \n X. Zhang, J.S. Fetrow, W.A. Rennie, D.L. Waltz, & G. Berg\n\n2:30pm \t\"Using Dirichlet Mixture Priors to Derive Hidden Markov \n Models for Protein Families\" M. Brown, R. Hughey, A. Krogh, \n I.S. Mian, K. Sjolander, & D. Haussler\n\n3:00-3:30pm\tBreak\n\n3:30pm\t\"Protein Classification using Neural Networks\" \n E.A. Ferran, B. Pflugfelder, & P. Ferrara\n\n4:00pm\t\"Neural Networks for Molecular Sequence Classification\"\n C. Wu, M. Berry, Y-S. Fung, & J. McLarty\n\n4:30pm\t\"Computationally Efficient Cluster Representation in \n Molecular Sequence Megaclassification\"  D.J. States, N. Harris, \n & L. Hunter\n\n7:00-7:30pm     Poster Setup\n7:30-10:00pm    Reception & Poster Session \n\nThursday, July 8, 1993\n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n8:00-9:00am     Continental Breakfast\n\n9:00-10:15am    Invited Talk\n \"Large-Scale DNA Sequencing:  A Tale of Mice and Men\"\n Prof. Leroy Hood (University of Washington)\n\n10:15-10:45am\tBreak\n\n10:45am\t\"Pattern Recognition for Automated DNA Sequencing: \n I. On-Line Signal Conditioning and Feature Extraction for \n Basecalling\"  J.B. Bolden III, D. Torgersen, & C. Tibbetts\n\n11:15am\t\"Genetic Algorithms for Sequence Assembly\" \n R. Parsons, S. Forrest, & C. Burks\n\n11:45am\t\"A Partial Digest Approach to Restriction Site Mapping\"\n S.S. Skiena & G. Sundaram\n\n12:15-2:00pm\tLunch\n\n2:00pm\t\"Integrating Order and Distance Relationships from \n Heterogeneous Maps\"  M. Graves \n\n2:30pm\t\"Discovering Sequence Similarity by the Algorithmic \n Significance Method\"  A. Milosavljevic\n\n3:00pm\t\"Identification of Human Gene Functional Regions Based on \n Oligonucleotide Composition\"  V.V. Solovyev & C.B. Lawrence\n\n3:30pm\t\"Knowledge Discovery in GENBANK\"\n J.S. Aaronson, J. Haas, & G.C. Overton\n\n4:00-4:30pm\tBreak\n\n4:30pm\t\"An Expert System to Generate Machine Learning \n Experiments: Learning with DNA Crystallography Data\"\n D. Cohen, C. Kulikowski, & H. Berman \n\n5:00pm \t\"Detection of Correlations in tRNA Sequences with \n Structural Implications\"  T.M. Klingler & D. Brutlag\n\n5:30pm\t\"Probabilistic Structure Calculations: A Three-\n Dimensional tRNA Structure from Sequence Correlation Data\" \n R.B. Altman\n\nFriday, July 9, 1993\n-----------------------------------------------------------------\n8:00-9:00am     Continental Breakfast\n\n9:00-10:15am    Invited Talk\n \"Artificial Intelligence and a Grand Unified Theory of \n Biochemistry\" Prof. Harold Morowitz (George Mason University)\n\n10:15-10:45am\tBreak\n\n10:45am\t\"Testing HIV Molecular Biology in in silico Physiologies\" \n H.B. Sieburg & C. Baray\n\n11:15am\t\"Identification of Localized and Distributed Bottlenecks \n in Metabolic Pathways\"  M.L. Mavrovouniotis\n\n11:45am\t\"Fine-Grain Databases for Pattern Discovery in Gene \n Regulation\"  S.M. Veretnik & B.R. Schatz\n\n12:15-2:00pm\tLunch\n\n2:00pm\t\"Representation for Discovery of Protein Motifs\"\n D. Conklin, S. Fortier, & J. Glasgow\n\n2:30pm\t\"Finding Relevant Biomolecular Features\"  \n L. Hunter & T. Klein\n\n3:00pm\t\"Database Techniques for Biological Materials and \n Methods\"  K. Baclawski, R. Futrelle, N. Fridman, \n & M.J. Pescitelli\n\n3:30pm\t\"A Multi-Level Description Scheme of Protein \n Conformation\"  K. Onizuka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, & S.T.C. Wong\n\n4:00-4:30pm\tBreak\n\n4:30pm\t\"Protein Topology Prediction through Parallel Constraint \n Logic Programming\"  D.A. Clark, C.J. Rawlings, J. Shirazi, \n A. Veron, & M. Reeve\n\n5:30pm\t\"A Constraint Reasoning System for Automating Sequence-\n Specific Resonance Assignments in Multidimensional Protein\n NMR Spectra\"  D. Zimmerman, C. Kulikowski, & G.T. Montelione\n\n5:30-5:45pm\tClosing Remarks\n\n                         POSTER SESSION\nThe following posters will be on display at the Bethesda Ramada \nHotel from 7:30-10:00pm, Wednesday, July 7.\n\n[1] \"The Induction of Rules for Predicting Chemical\n Carcinogenesis in Rodents\"  D. Bahler & D. Bristol\n\n[2] \"SENEX: A CLOS\/CLIM Application for Molecular Pathology\"  \n S.S. Ball & V.H. Mah\n\n[3] \"FLASH: A Fast Look-Up Algorithm for String Homology\"\n A. Califano & I. Rigoutsos\n\n[4] \"Toward Multi-Strategy Parallel Learning in Sequence \n Analysis\"  P.K. Chan & S.J. Stolfo\n\n[5] \"Protein Structure Prediction: Selecting Salient Features \n from Large Candidate Pools\"  K.J. Cherkauer & J.W. Shavlik\n\n[6] \"Comparison of Two Approaches to the Prediction of Protein \n Folding Patterns\"  I. Dubchak, S.R. Holbrook, & S.-H. Kim\n\n[7] \"A Modular Learning Environment for Protein Modeling\"\n J. Gracy, L. Chiche & J. Sallantin\n\n[8] \"Inference of Order in Genetic Systems\" \n J.N. Guidi & T.H. Roderick\n\n[9] \"PALM - A Pattern Language for Molecular Biology\"\n C. Helgesen & P.R. Sibbald\n\n[10] \"Grammatical Formalization of Metabolic Processes\"  \n R. Hofestedt\n\n[11] \"Representations of Metabolic Knowledge\"  \n P.D. Karp & M. Riley\n\n[12] \"Protein Sequencing Experiment Planning Using Analogy\"\n B. Kettler & L. Darden\n\n[13] \"Design of an Object-Oriented Database for Reverse Genetics\"  \n K.J. Kochut, J. Arnold, J.A. Miller, & W.D. Potter\n\n[14] \"A Small Automaton for Word Recognition in DNA Sequences\"\n C. Lefevre & J.-E Ikeda\n\n[15] \"MultiMap:  An Expert System for Automated Genetic Linkage \n Mapping\"  T.C. Matise, M. Perlin & A. Chakravarti\n\n[16] \"Constructing a Distributed Object-Oriented System with \nLogical Constraints for Fluorescence-Activated Cell Sorting\"\n T. Matsushima\n\n[17] \"Prediction of Primate Splice Junction Gene Sequences with \n a Cooperative Knowledge Acquisition System\"\n E.M. Nguifo & J. Sallantin\n\n[18] \"Object-Oriented Knowledge Bases for the Analysis of \n Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic Genomes\" \n G. Perriere, F. Dorkeld, F. Rechenmann, & C. Gautier\n\n[19] \"Petri Net Representations in Metabolic Pathways\"\n V.N. Reddy, M.L. Mavrovouniotis, & M.L. Liebman\n\n[20] \"Minimizing Complexity in Cellular Automata Models of \n Self-Replication\"  J.A. Reggia, H.-H. Chou, S.L. Armentrout, \n & Y. Peng\n\n[21] \"Building Large Knowledge Bases in Molecular Biology\"\n O. Schmeltzer, C. Medigue, P. Uvietta, F. Rechenmann, \n F. Dorkeld, G. Perriere, & C. Gautier\n\n[22] \"A Service-Oriented Information Sources Database for the \n Biological Sciences\"  G.K. Springer & T.B. Patrick\n\n[23] \"Hidden Markov Models and Iterative Aligners: Study of their \n Equivalence and Possibilities\" H. Tanaka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa,\n & A. Konagaya\n\n[24] \"Protein Structure Prediction System Based on Artificial \n Neural Networks\"  J. Vanhala & K. Kaski\n\n[25] \"Transmembrane Segment Prediction from Protein Sequence \n Data\"  S.M. Weiss, D.M. Cohen & N. Indurkhya\n\n                      TUTORIAL PROGRAM\nTutorials will be conducted at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel on \nTuesday, July 6.\n\n12:00-2:45pm \"Introduction to Molecular Biology for Computer \n Scientists\"  Prof. Mick Noordewier (Rutgers University)\n\nThis overview of the essential facts of molecular biology is \nintended as an introduction to the field for computer scientists \nwho wish to apply their tools to this rich and complex domain.  \nMaterial covered will include structural and informational \nmolecules, the basic organization of the cell and of genetic \nmaterial, the \"central dogma\" of gene expression, and selected \nother topics in the area of structure, function, and regulation as \nrelates to current computational approaches.  Dr. Noordewier has \nappointments in both Computer Science and Biology at Rutgers, and \nhas extensive experience in basic biological research in addition \nto his current work in computational biology.\n\n12:00-2:45pm \"Introduction to Artificial Intelligence for \n Biologists\"  Dr. Richard Lathrop (MIT & Arris Corp.)\n\nAn overview of the field of artificial intelligence will be \npresented, as it relates to actual and potential biological \napplications.  Fundamental techniques, symbolic programming \nlanguages, and notions of search will be discussed, as well as \nselected topics in somewhat greater detail, such as knowledge \nrepresentation, inference, and machine learning.  The intended \naudience includes biologists with some computational background, \nbut no extensive exposure to artificial intelligence.  Dr. \nLathrop, co-developer of ARIADNE and related technologies, has \nworked in the area of artificial intelligence applied to \nbiological problems in both academia and industry.\n\n3:00-5:45pm \"Neural Networks, Statistics, and Information Theory \n in Biological Sequence Analysis\" Dr. Alan Lapedes (Los Alamos \n National Laboratory) \n\nThis tutorial will cover the most rapidly-expanding facet of \nintelligent systems for molecular biology, that of machine \nlearning techniques applied to sequence analysis.  Closely \ninterrelated topics to be addressed include the use of artifical \nneural networks to elicit both specific signals and general \ncharacteristics of sequences, and the relationship of such \napproaches to statistical techniques and information-theoretic \nviews of sequence data.  Dr. Lapedes, of the Theoretical \nDivision at Los Alamos, has long been a leader in the use of such \ntechniques in this domain.\n\n3:00-5:45pm \"Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming\" \n Prof. John Koza (Stanford University)\n\nThe genetic algorithm, an increasingly popular approach to highly \nnon-linear multi-dimensional optimization problems, was originally \ninspired by a biological metaphor.  This tutorial will cover both \nthe biological motivations, and the actual implementation and \ncharacteristics of the algorithm.  Genetic Programming, an \nextension well-suited to problems where the discovery of the size \nand shape of the solution is a major part of the problem, will \nalso be addressed.  Particular attention will be paid to \nbiological applications, and to identifying resources and software \nthat will permit attendees to begin using the methods.  Dr. Koza, \na Consulting Professor of Computer Science at Stanford, has taught \nthis subject since 1988 and is the author of a standard text in \nthe field.\n\n3:00-5:45pm \"Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis\" \n Prof. David Searls (University of Pennsylvania) \n & Shmuel Pietrokovski (Weizmann Institute)\n\nApproaches to sequence analysis based on linguistic methodologies \nare increasingly in evidence.  These involve the adaptation of \ntools and techniques from computational linguistics for syntactic \npattern recognition and gene prediction, the classification of \ngenetic structures and phenomena using formal language theory, the \nidentification of significant vocabularies and overlapping codes \nin sequence data, and sequence comparison reflecting taxonomic and \nfunctional relatedness.  Dr. Searls, who holds research faculty \nappointments in both Genetics and Computer Science at Penn, \nrepresents the branch of this field that considers higher-order \nsyntactic approaches to sequence data, while Shmuel Pietrokovski \nhas studied and published with Prof. Edward Trifinov in the area \nof word-based analyses.\n\n                      REGISTRATION FORM\nMail, with check made out to \"ISMB-93\", to:\n\n               ISMB Conference, c\/o J. Shavlik\n               Computer Sciences Department\n               University of Wisconsin\n               1210 West Dayton Street\n               Madison, WI 53706  USA\n\n        ================================================\n\n        Name____________________________________________\n\t\n        Affiliation_____________________________________\n\t\n        Address_________________________________________\n\n        ________________________________________________\n\n        ________________________________________________\n\n        ________________________________________________\n\n        Phone___________________________________________\n\n        FAX_____________________________________________\n\n        Electronic Mail_________________________________\n\t\n        Registration Status: ____ Regular   ____ Student\n\n        Presenting?          ____ Talk      ____  Poster\n        ================================================\n        TUTORIAL REGISTRATION \n\n        ____\"Molecular Biology for Computer Scientists\"\n         or\n        ____\"Artificial Intelligence for Biologists\"\n         -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - \n        ____\"Neural Networks, Statistics, and \n         or     Information Theory in Sequence Analysis\"\n        ____\"Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming\"\n         or \n        ____\"Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis\"\n        ================================================\n        PAYMENT       (Early Registration Before June 1)\n\n        Registration:  Early   Late\t    $___________\n              Regular  $100    $125\t\n              Student  $75     $100\t\n        Tutorials:     One      Two         $___________\n              Regular  $50      $65\t\n              Student  $25      $35\t\n        Total:                              $___________\n        ================================================\n        Registration fees include conference proceedings, \n        refreshments, and general program expenses. \n\n\n                      ORGANIZING COMMITTEE\n        Lawrence Hunter                              NLM \n        David Searls                  U. of Pennsylvania\n        Jude Shavlik                     U. of Wisconsin\n\n                        PROGRAM COMMITTEE\n        Douglas Brutlag                      Stanford U.\n        Bruce Buchanan                  U. of Pittsburgh\n        Christian Burks          Los Alamos National Lab\n        Fred Cohen                    U.C.-San Francisco\n        Chris Fields           Inst. for Genome Research\n        Michael Gribskov                  U.C.-San Diego\n        Peter Karp                     SRI International\n        Toni Kazic                         Washington U.\n        Alan Lapedes             Los Alamos National Lab\n        Richard Lathrop                MIT & Arris Corp.\n        Charles Lawrence                          Baylor \n        Michael Mavrovouniotis            U. of Maryland\n        George Michaels                              NIH\n        Harold Morowitz                  George Mason U.\n        Katsumi Nitta                               ICOT\n        Mick Noordewier                       Rutgers U.\n        Ross Overbeek               Argonne National Lab\n        Chris Rawlings                              ICRF\n        Derek Sleeman                     U. of Aberdeen\n        David States                       Washington U.\n        Gary Stormo                       U. of Colorado\n        Ed Uberbacher             Oak Ridge National Lab\n        David Waltz              Thinking Machines Corp.\n\n","1311":"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: Allah Akbar and Praise the Lord.\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 15\n\nMaddi Hausmann (madhaus@netcom.com) wrote:\n: \n: And thank the Lord that Bill Connor has returned to set\n: us straight!  Now I know I can die happy when my Lexus\n: SE400 wipes out on that rain-slick curve in 1997.  The\n: rest of you had best straighten up, because your time \n: is even more limited.  Most of you are going in the Flu\n: of 1994.\n\nMaddi,\n\nYou know you're glad to have me visit ...\nBut I won't stay long this time, just shopping around.\n\nBill\n","1312":"From: kozloce@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Re: Thumbs up to ESPN\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 12\n\nI agree. It was great for the ESPN people to show the Detroit game. (My\nroommate just about sh*t when they threw the octopus on the ice. (Thanks\nfor explaining the significance of that BTW)) The only problem I had was\nwhen they blotted out the local commentators with the baseball ads and\nmusic. Especially when the wings player hit the rut and went into the\nboards injuring his shoulder and they blotted out the injury report. Other\nthen that, hats off to ESPN. Now if they'll only make a habit of this. Yeah\nright! Baseball seasons started (Zzzzzz.....) =)\n\nKOZ \n\nLETS GO CAPS!!\n","1313":"From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\nSubject: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!\nOrganization: BC Systems Corporation\nLines: 20\n\nSaw this in today's newspaper:\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS\n--------------------------------\nBarnstaple, England\/Reuter\n\n\tA motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in\nless than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales.\n\n\tDavid Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for\nlosing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a\ncourt in Barnstaple in southwest England was told.\n\n\tJudge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and\nWales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in\na pub.\n\n-- \nBruce Clarke       B.C. Environment\n                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\n","1314":"From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)\nSubject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks\nOrganization: Connemara - Computing for People\nLines: 43\nNNTP-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu\nX-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12\/13\/89)\nTo: \nBcc: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk\nStatus: OR\n\nIn article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:\n>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to\n>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was\n>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I\n>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the\n>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).\n>\n>Did I do the right thing?\n\nWell, I used to get mad, and either try to communicate my anger to jerks,\nor to, uhm, educate them in how to improve their manners in traffic.\nNow I just try to get them off my tail.\n\nIn heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in\nfront to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the \njerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch\ninto one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a\nbetter eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than\nfrom in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.\n\nIn traffic so heavy that there is no way for the jerk to pass,\nI might pull over, as if to look for a street number or name,\n(still ignoring the jerk) just to get the jerk off my tail.  \n\nIf this all sounds, well, wimpy or un-Denizenly or pessimistic, or perhaps \n(for any psych types) passive-aggressive, consider that I prefer to get\nmy adrenaline jollies from riding, rather than from yelling at jerks.  \n\nA ride can improve my whole day, while yelling at a jerk is likely (for\nme) to ruin my ride or my day with my own anger.  In the worst case,\nyelling at the jerk could ruin my life - since even a tiny jerk in a\ncage behind me is better armed (with the cage) than I am on a bike. \n\nOn the other hand, you might try subtly arranging to be the last\nvehicle to legally cross one or more intersections, leaving the jerk\nwaiting for cross traffic (and thus off your tail), or crossing\nillegally (hopefully in front of the waiting police).\n\nLike almost everything here, your choices and mileage will vary.\n\n--\nDenis McKeon\t\ngalway@chtm.eece.unm.edu\n","1315":"From: r8102009@ccms.ntu.edu.tw (Chia-Yi Lee)\nSubject: Re: ?? DOS font size in windows??\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccms.ntu.edu.tw\nOrganization: NTUTaiwan\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 20\n\nS. Alavi (ssa@unity.ncsu.edu) wrote:\n: \n: \tI have an 8514\/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode \n: \t(normal 8514\/A font, not small).  In the 386 enhanced mode\n: \tthe DOS window font is too small for my 14\" monitor. Is there a \n: \tway to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to \n: \texcuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to\n: \tMS Windows world.\n: \n: \tThanks.\n: \n: \t(Please include this message for reference)\n: \t======  S. Alavi    [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu]  (919)467-7909 (H)  ========\n: \t\t\t\t\t\t  (919)515-8063 (W)\n\nAs I can recall, you can click on the upper left button of dos window, then \nchoose font to change. Also there is a demo window to show you in advance how\nthe font you choose will affect the size of dos window. Make  a try! \n\n\n","1316":"From: scott@asd.com (Scott Barman)\nSubject: Re: Best Homeruns\nOrganization: American Software Development Corp., West Babylon, NY\nDistribution: na\nLines: 22\n\nDarryl Strawberry's moon shots were fun!  He can hit those high and far\nhome runs that if he actually ran them out he'd be rounding second base\nby the time they landed.  We used to say that he should have to file a\nflight plan at LaGuardia for some of them.  Then _Bull_Durham_ came out\nand that was changed.  :-)\n\nOn homers he pulled that didn't go high, they were microwave home runs.\nMicrowave, as in they got outta there in a hurry!  In a game in 1988, he\ncame off the bench with the flu and on the second pitch send a rocket\ndown the right field line that didn't even allow Bob Murphy the \"luxury\"\nof a home run call.  The story went he stayed in the clubhouse, the with\nthe Mets down by two and two on Davey Johnson sent for him to pinch hit.\nHe came out of the clubhouse saying \"one swing and we go home.\"  He hit\nthe homer, ran the bases, then went straight for the clubhouse to shower\nand go home.\n\nThose were the days....\n-- \nscott barman    | Mets Mailing List (feed the following into your shell):\nscott@asd.com   |            mail mets-request@asd.com <<!\n                |            subscribe\n Let's Go Mets! |            !\n","1317":"From: cbruno@wpi.WPI.EDU (Christopher James Bruno)\nSubject: Coil\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\n\nHey everyone, I'm new to this  newsgroup so please excuse me if this is a \ndumb question....I want to build a crossover for my stereo and I need\na coil with an inductance of 6.8mH (actually I need 4).  I was wondering\nif anyone knew where I could buy these or how to make these.  I've called\nmany places and no one I can find sells them.  If you have the answers just\nE - mail me....\nThanks in advance....\nChris\n\n\n\n","1318":"From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM\nSubject: Re: Lindros will be traded!!!\nArticle-I.D.: LMSC5.93096.46336.J056600\nOrganization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.\nLines: 19\n\nIn <1993Apr5.163209.576@r-node.hub.org>, Jay Chu writes:\n\n>True rumor.  Fact!  A big three way deal!\n\n>Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators.  And Senators get $15mill from\n>Montreal.\n\n>Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators)\n\n>Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick.\n\nSheesh.  The rumor mill strikes again.  But let's just assume this were true.\nMy question is this:\n\nWhat would Montreal give San Jose if the Sharks got first pick and took Daigle?\n\n\nTim Irvin\n*****************************************************************************\n","1319":"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)\nSubject: Re:  Potvin's new goalie mask\nNntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca\nOrganization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS\nDistribution: na\nLines: 38\n\n\nStephen Legge (SLEGGE@kean.ucs.munc.ca) writes:\n>I was wtahcing RIGHT GUARD HOCKEY WEEK on TSN yesterday and they had\n>a feature on this guy that does a lot (most?) of the masks for NHL\n>goalies.  They talked about how they are made, what they are made of,\n>and the designs that are put on them, etc.\n\nActually, this part was really interesting.  It turns out that the mask is\ncustom-fit to the goalie's face.  The goalie puts his\/her face through a\npiece of wood (or was it plastic?) with a hole in it that allows only the face\nand forehead to show.  Hair is covered by a cap, eyes are covered by a plastic\nwrap-type material, and vaseline is put on the goaltender's face.  Then, a\nplaster is spread on their cheeks, forehead, and chin which takes about 12\nminutes to dry sufficiently.  When it dries, it is effectively a mold of the\ngoalie's face.  This is used as the basis of the mask (the rest involves\npadding the inside, hardening the exterior, fitting the cage, etc. etc.  \nJohn Blue of the Bruins actually demonstrated the procedure on the show. \n\n>He exhibited a couple masks he is currently working on, namely, a\n>new mask for Andy Moog which is a basic re-working of his current\n>mask with the bear on it, and new mask for Bob Essensa which was \n>*really* cool -- the Jets logo was on the chin, and there were two\n>fighter jets on either side on the forehead with an air-brushed\n>back-ground.\n\nYeah, Essensa's mask looked really good.\n \n>The best one of all was one he never talked about, he just held it up.\n>It has the current Leafs crest on the chin and an awesome looking \n>black panther on the forehead -- it *has* to be a new mask for Felix\n>Potvin, but he never said whose it was.\n\nActually, I thought I heard him say that it _was_ Potvin's for certain.  I\nwould bet money on it either way...and it did look awesome!\n\n\ndchhabra@stpl.ists.ca\n \n","1320":"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)\nSubject: 21 Apr 93   God's Promise in 2 Chronicles 15:2\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 10\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\n\n\tAnd he went out to meet Asa,\n\tAnd said unto him,\n\tHear ye me, Asa,\n\tAnd all Judah and Benjamin;\n\tThe LORD is with you, while ye be with him;\n\tand if ye seek him, he will be found of you;\n\tbut if ye forsake him, he will forsake you.\n\n\t2 Chronicles 15:2\n","1321":"From: bjones@convex.com (Brad Jones)\nSubject: Re: Letter to the President\nNntp-Posting-Host: neptune.convex.com\nOrganization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n              not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 8\n\nkdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:\n\n>the dismissal or resignation of Lloyd Bensen, Secretary of the Treasury,\n\n\nIn case you haven't sent it yet, it's \"Bentsen\", not \"Bensen\".\n\nBrad\n","1322":"From: eyc@acpub.duke.edu (EMIL CHUCK)\nSubject: Re: Bill 'Blame America First' Clinton Strikes Again.\nSummary: Repost from alt.rush-limbaugh\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: red5.acpub.duke.edu\n\njeddi@next06pg2.wam.umd.edu (Anheuser Busch) writes:\n >This argument sounds very stupid.. if the ability to make guns from\n >\"simple metalworking\" was easy,  then Drug dealers would make their own \n >wouldn't they???.. why spend hundreds of dollars buying a gun that\n >somebody else made cheap and is selling it to you at an\n >exorbitant markup???... The simple truth of the matter is, that regardless\n >of how easy it is to make guns, banning guns will reduce the \n >the number of new guns and seriuosly impede the efforts of a \n >killer intent on buying a weapon....\n >To show why the tools argument is the silliest i have ever seen.. take an\n >analogy from computer science... almost every computer science major\n >can write a \"wordprocessor\" yet we(comp sci majors)  would willingly pay 3  \n >to 400 bucks for a professional software like wordperfect... why don't we  \n >just all write our own software???...... Because it is highly  \n >inconvinient!!!..\n >Same with guns... secondly.. how does one get this gunpowder for the \n >\"home made gun\" ??? Take a quick trip to the local 7-eleven???.\n > If guns were really that simple to make... the Bosnian muslims would\n >be very happy people (or is it the case that metalworking tools are\n >banned in bosnia??? (deep sarcasm)  ).\n >\n >well this is my two cents..\n >   i will now resume reading all these ridiculus post from people\n >     who must make their living doing stand-up comedy.\n** END OF FORWARDED MATERIAL **\n\n-- \nAnd so, the rubber spheroid arced beneath the brilliant lights.\nHeaded for a hoop of dreams he'd dreamt of all those nights.\nThe crowd gasped as the ball descended; Would it grant their fondest wish?\nThere was no doubt in Casey's mind, He knew it was a *SWISH*!\n","1323":"From: vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas)\nSubject: Inner Ear Problems from Too Much Flying?\nOrganization: MacDonald Dettwiler, 13800 Commerce Parkway, Richmond, BC, Canada  V6V 2J3\nLines: 6\n\nCan one develop inner-ear problems from too much flying?  I hear that pilots\nand steward\/esses have a limit as to the maximum number of flying hours --\nwhat are these limits?  What are the main problems associated with too many\nlong-haul (over 4 hours) trips?\n\nFrequent Flyer.\n","1324":"From: tedebear@leland.Stanford.EDU (Theodore Chen)\nSubject: Re: 1993 Infiniti G20\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 14\n\n>In article <78834@cup.portal.com> carl_f_hoffman@cup.portal.com writes:\n>>2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully\n>>   loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match\n>>   up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993\n>>   version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's.\n\nis this really the dealer's cost?  did you get the dealer's cost by\nlooking at the invoice?  there may be factory to dealer incentives.\ni'd check this out, since i have trouble believing that a dealer would\nsell a car to me at his cost.\n\ndealer invoice is not necessarily the dealer cost.\n\n-teddy\n","1325":"From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)\nSubject: Re: Concerning God's Morality (was: Americans and Evolution)\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 110\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: syndicoot.engin.umich.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.155057.808@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:\n[why do babies get diseases, etc.]\n>What God did create was life according to a protein code which is\n>mutable and can evolve.  Without delving into a deep discussion of\n>creationism vs evolutionism,\n\n Here's the (main) problem. The scenario you outline is reasonably \nconsistent, but all the evidence that I am familiar with not only does\nnot support it, but indicates something far different. The Earth, by\nlatest estimates, is about 4.6 billion years old, and has had life for\nabout 3.5 billion of those years. Humans have only been around for (at\nmost) about 200,000 years. But, the fossil evidence inidcates that life\nhas been changing and evolving, and, in fact, disease-ridden, long before\nthere were people. (Yes, there are fossils that show signs of disease...\nmostly bone disorders, of course, but there are some.) Heck, not just\nfossil evidence, but what we've been able to glean from genetic study shows\nthat disease has been around for a long, long time. If human sin was what\nbrought about disease (at least, indirectly, though necessarily) then\nhow could it exist before humans?\n\n>                             God created the original genetic code\n>perfect and without flaw.  And without getting sidetracked into\n>the theological ramifications of the original sin, the main effect\n>of the so-called original sin for this discussion was to remove\n>humanity from God's protection since by their choice A&E cut\n>themselves off from intimate fellowship with God.  In addition, their\n>sin caused them to come under the dominion of Satan, who then assumed\n>dominion over the earth...\n[deletions]\n>Since humanity was no longer under God's protection but under Satan's\n>dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer\n>diseases, both bacterial\/viral and genetic.  Although the forces of\n>natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the\n>degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this.  \n\n Uh... I know of many evolutionary biologists, who know more about\nbiology than you claim to, who will strongly disagree with this. There\nis no evidence that the human genetic code (or any other) 'started off'\nin perfect condition. It seems to adapt to its envionment, in a\ncollective sense. I'm really curious as to what you mean by 'the\ndegeneration of the genetic code'.\n\n>Human DNA, being more \"complex\", tends to accumulate errors adversely\n>affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the \n>simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in \n>causing infection and disease.  It is a bad combination.\n\n Umm. Nah, we seem to do a pretty good job of adapting to viruses and\nbacteria, and they to us. Only a very small percentage of microlife is\nharmful to humans... and that small percentage seems to be reasonalby\nconstant in size, but the ranks keep changing. For example, bubonic\nplague used to be a really nasty disease, I'm sure you'll agree. But\nit still pops up from time to time, even today... and doesn't do as\nmuch damage. Part of that is because of better sanitation, but even\nwhen people get the disease, the symptoms tend to be less severe than in\nthe past. This seems to be partly because people who were very susceptible\ndied off long ago, and because the really nasty variants 'overgrazed',\n(forgive the poor terminology, I'm an engineer, not a doctor! :-> ) and\ndied off for lack of nearby hosts.\n I could be wrong on this, but from what I gather acne is only a few\nhundred years old, and used to be nastier, though no killer. It seems to\nbe getting less nasty w\/age...\n\n>                                                          Hence\n>we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial\n>diseases\/disorders.\n\n Now, wait a minute. I have a question. Humans were created perfect, right?\nAnd, you admit that we have an inbuilt abiliy to fight off disease. It\nseems unlikely that Satan, who's making the diseases, would also gift\nhumans with the means to fight them off. Simpler to make the diseases less\nlethal, if he wants survivors. As far as I can see, our immune systems,\nimperfect though they may (presently?) be, must have been built into us\nby God. I want to be clear on this: are you saying that God was planning\nahead for the time when Satan would be in charge by building an immune\nsystem that was not, at the time of design, necessary? That is, God made\nour immune systems ahead of time, knowing that Adam and Eve would sin and\ntheir descendents would need to fight off diseases?\n\n>This may be more of a mystical\/supernatural explanation than you\n>are prepared to accept, but God is not responsible for disease.\n>Even if Satan had nothing to do with the original inception of\n>disease, evolution by random chance would have produced them since\n>humanity forsook God's protection.\n\n Here's another puzzle. What, exactly, do you mean by 'perfect' in the\nphrase, 'created... perfect and without flaw'? To my mind, a 'perfect'\nsystem would be incapable of degrading over time. A 'perfect' system\nthat will, without constant intervention, become imperfect is *not* a\nperfect system. At least, IMHO.\n Or is it that God did something like writing a masterpiece novel on a\nbunch of gum wrappers held together with Elmer's glue? That is, the\noriginal genetic 'instructions' were perfect, but were 'written' in\ninferior materials that had to be carefully tended or would fall apart?\nIf so, why could God not have used better materials?\n Was God *incapable* of creating a system that could maintain itself,\nof did It just choose not to?\n\n[deletions]\n>In summary, newborns are innocent, but God does not cause their suffering.\n\n My main point, as I said, was that there really isn't any evidence for\nthe explanation you give. (At least, that I'm aware of.) But, I couldn't\nhelp making a few nitpicks here and there. :->\n\nSincerely,\n\nRay Ingles                  || The above opinions are probably\n                            || not those of the University of\ningles@engin.umich.edu      || Michigan. Yet.\n","1326":"From: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu\nSubject: three homer games and Padres notes\nReply-To: kkeach@pomona.claremont.edu\nOrganization: Pomona College\nLines: 36\n\n\tTo all those out there wondering about who holds the record for three\nhomer games ina career, the answer is Johnny Mize in his career with the \nCards and the Yanks.  He hit three 6 times.  I am almost sure about this. In\ncase anyone is wondering, the record for two homer games is held by Babe\nRuth and is 72.  Mize's record may not last for much longer because of Juan\nGonzalez.  He has at least three games with three and maybe 4.  I know that \nhe had at least two last year and one as a rookie.  I don't have any record\nbooks at college for me to check on though.  Please let me know, okay, if I \nam wrong.  \n\tOnto the Padres.  Is there anyone out there who follows them?- especial-ly those with access to local news?  I don't here anything in Los Angeles and I\ncan't get McPaper consistently around here.  \ncomment:  It looks as though San Diego has gotten the better of the two deals\nthat brought Bell and Plantier to the Padres.  It has also forced the team to use Darrell Shermann.  Of course, Plantier could get injured again or he could \nhit with the power of 91 but with a lower average.  Bell always could finish\nwith .240 and 15-18 hrs-essentially Jerald Clark's numbers.  \nleadoff comment:  Craig Shipley??????  I get on base 29% of the time if I'm \nlucky at leadoff?  Hell, of the usual starters, use Gwynn.  He's got 4 steals\nalready.  Is Shipley starting because of an injury to Stillwell, though?  I\nhaven't seen Stillwell's name in any box scores.  Anyway unless you are going\nto use Shermann at leadoff then use Gwynn.  He at lesat gets on base and this\nyear is stealing bases.\nSheffield comment:  Though the season is early and stats mean nothing.\nWitness Phillips batting .500+ currently.  But does Sheffield have an injury,\nor anythingelse wrong with him.  I just don't hear anything.\nAndy Benes:  Is he pitching like he did in the second half of '91?   or is \nthis a flash of promise that he throws out evrey now and then?   Has anyone \nseen him pitch the two good games?\nscore for today, Sunday april 18:  Padres 10, St Louis 6.  Padres sweep the\nCardinals as Gwynn goes 5 for 5 with a homer.  Sheffield and Tueful also homer\nin a winning cause.  \n\t\t\t\tThanks for listening-reading\n\t\t\t\tany comments????\n\n\t\tKelly Keach\n\t\tkkeach@pomona.claremont.edu\n\n","1327":"From: Rich.Rubel@launchpad.unc.edu (Rich Rubel)\nSubject: PS\/2 Appletalk card question\nNntp-Posting-Host: lambada.oit.unc.edu\nOrganization: University of North Carolina Extended Bulletin Board Service\nLines: 17\n\n\nI have a chance to buy a used PS\/2 Appletalk card to create a network with\nmy home machines.  However, the guy who has the card tells me there's a\nDB-9 or DB-15 (can't remember now) on the back of the card, rather than\nthe 8-pin (or 4-pin) mini-din that I expect.  This sounds more like a\nThicknet ethernet card.  Should there be a transciever on it, like on the\nQuadras?  What would be a reasonable price to expect to pay for one of\nthese cards, keeping in mind that it's Micro-Channel Architecture, which\nmeans take your best guess and double it.\nEmail replies would be appreciated, to here or to rrr@ideas.com\nThanks.\n[RICHR]\n--\n   The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of\n     North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information\n        Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.\n           internet:  laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80\n","1328":"From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)\nSubject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18\nOrganization: Nat'l Ctr for Supercomp App (NCSA) @ University of Illinois\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:\n|> \n|> How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ?\n|> \n|> The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner\n|> dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals.\n|> \n|> Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic.\n|> \n|> I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat\n|> the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny \n|> finish ?\n|> \n\nIn the May '93 Motorcyclist (pg 15-16), someone writes in and recomends using\nrubberized undercoating for this. \n\n-- \nVon Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu)\tNCSA Networking Development Group\n'93 CBR600F2\t\t\t'78 KZ650\t\t'83 Subaru GL 4WD\n\n- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -\n","1329":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Migraines\nArticle-I.D.: pitt.19398\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <DRAND.93Mar26112932@spinner.osf.org> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:\n\n>So I'll ask this,  my neurologist just prescribed Cafergot and\n>Midrin as some alternatives for me to try.  He stated that\n>the sublingual tablets of ergotamine were no longer available.\n>Any idea why?  He also suggested trying 800 mg ibuprophen.\n>\n\nI just found out about the sublinguals disappearing too.  I don't\nknow why.  Perhaps because they weren't as profitable as cafergot.\nToo bad, since tablets are sometimes vomited up by migraine patients\nand they don't do any good flushed down the toilet.  I suspect\nwe'll be moving those patients more and more to the DHE nasal\nspray, which is far more effective.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1330":"From: kjk3@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen J. Kelly)\nSubject: Re: Protective gear\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI second the boots... oil spots from cars are particularly\nslippery when parking the bikes, and  good boots help here as\nwell.\n-- \nSquid\n","1331":"From: ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee)\nSubject: Radar detector DETECTORS?\nOrganization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Richmond)\nLines: 50\n\nHere's one I hope some knowledgeable readers will make a comment or\ncontribution to:\n\nIn the State of Virginia radar detectors are illegal, period.  If\nyou are caught with one it will be confiscated on the spot and will\nnot be returned until after you appear in court and pay your fine. \nThe fine for having a radar detector accessible in a motor vehicle\n(even if it is not on) is $250.00.  Sorry, tourist, ignorance of\nthe law is no excuse - they will get you too!\n\nIt used to be that the only way the law could be enforced was for\nan officer to actually see the radar detector.  Not any more!  Many\nlaw enforcement agencies are now using radar detector detectors. \nRight, a super sensitive receiver that is capable of picking up RF\nfrom the radar detector itself.  My first reaction was \"no way!\" \nBut, guess again, these little buggers really work and the police\nare writing citations right and left for people using radar\ndetectors.  One news story quoted an officer as saying that he had\nfound the radar detector in all of the cars he stopped except one,\nand he could never figure out where it was - but he knew it was\nthere.  This tends to make one assume there are few false arrest.\n\nNow, before I get flamed, please understand that I do drive at or\nnear the speed limit.  I do not need a radar detector to keep me\nfrom getting a speeding ticket.  But, I do like to know when my\nspeed is being clocked or a speed trap is functioning.  My radar\ndetector now stays locked in my trunk when I am in Virginia (which\nis what they want - and yes, what the law says, and I intend to\nobey the law!) and is only used in states where it is legal.\n\nFor my fellow hams, I am not a microwave person - my mind only\nworks in the HF spectrum between 10 and 80 meters.  Microwave\nenlightment may be necessary.\n\nSo, the questions are -\n  What do the radar detector detectors actually detect?\n  Would additional shielding\/grounding\/bypassing shield stray RF generated by\n  a radar detector, or is the RF actually being emitted by the detector\n  antenna?\n  Are any brands \"quieter\" than others?\n\n==============================================================================\nRandy T. Agee - ARS WB4BZX       | At some point, you probably pondered The \nP.O. Box 2120 - 20th floor       | Meaning of Life, and you came up with a \nVirginia Department of Education | satisfactory answer, which has or has not\nRichmond, VA 23216-2120          | stood the test of time, or you shrugged\nPhone (804) 225-2669             | mightily, muttered \"Beats the heck out of\nragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu        | me,\" and ordered a cheeseburger.\n=============================================================================\n \n","1332":"From: scottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott)\nSubject: Luser!\nOrganization: J. Random Misconfigured Site\nX-Posted-From: iamac-1.dml.georgetown.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu\nLines: 112\n\nAwesley wrote:\n  That was the entire point to *you*.  What exactly did I claim?\n     --------------------------------------------------\n    \"I've heard eye-witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns\n  to respond to sniper fire.  Quite effectively.\"\n     --------------------------------------------------\n  \n    I wasn't wrong . . . I've heard those descriptions.  If you're\n  paying attention, I've mentioned that I saw the tanks with my own\n  eyes, but the main gun firing was an account I heard.  That helps\n  people judge whether or not to kick in the, to use your words,\n  \"bullshit filters\".  Stating that I *claimed* this is a falsehood.\n  \nLater in the same post:\n     Another part of my memories was that while most damaged building\n  were burnt, some were in rubble.  Based on what I remember, I was and\n  am inclined to believe an old sarge or two.\n\nFine, *now* you are stating that you believe their claims (or that you are\n\"inclined\" to.  See below for a stronger statement of your beliefs).  Those\nclaims are still ludicrous, however.\n\nPreviously Awesley had written:\n  You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers.\n\nPrompting me to write:\n  To fire fragmentary grenades?  I doubt that as well.  To fire concussion\n  grenades?  Perhaps.  To fire tear gas?  Certainly.  But you would be\n  perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since\n  it makes your other claim seem more plausible.\n\nTo which Awesley replied:\n  John, again, strawman techniques.  Do you feel you're losing it so you\n  have to stretch what I said and knock that down?  What I read said\n  nothing about what they fired.  And so I put nothing in there.  If you\n  need some help, let me know and I'l take your side of this for a\n  while.  You're not scoring here, you're boring here.\n\nBut why did you mention grenade launchers at all?  Because it supports the\nnotion that the tanks shelled buildings.  And it supports that notion\nbecause it conjures images of troops launching fragmentary grenades.  But\nthat too is ludicrous.\n\nI wrote:\n  If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been\n  screaming about it for the past two and half decades.  I would know about\n  it. \n\nAwesley relied:\n     Glad to know you're such an expert.  Nice to hear some an\n  authority.  I especially appreciate your basis of knowledge -- if it\n  had happened, you would have know it.  Since you are such an\n  authority, you probably know that people did scream about an alleged\n  massive cover-up in the number of people killed in the Detroit riot.\n  Some claimed 100+ dead, others said 300.  The offical number is 43 but\n  the Concise Columbia Encyclopedia says it was \"several\".  I've also\n  heard some things about that but I won't dare repeat them.  You'd\n  assert that I claimed they were truth.\n\nYes, if it happened I would have heard about it.  Everybody would have. \nArmy tanks don't fire their cannons in American cities in the 1960's\nwithout it becoming common knowledge, without minority leaders seizing on\nit and condemning it over and over again, without civil libertarians saying\n\"this has gone far enough.\"  So, yes, my never hearing of it was the basis\nfor my disbelieving the claim.  Now I have more reasons to disbelieve it. \nNot one poster has written to say, yes, I lived in Detroit at that time and\neverybody knew that the tanks had fired shells.  This is the UseNet.  If it\nhad happened, somebody here would remember it.  Furthermore, your own\nresearch failed to come up with any support for the claim.  The claim is\nextraordinary and it has no supporting evidence, extraordinary or not. \nUnless you count the brags of a couple of guardsmen shooting the shit.  I\ndo not.\n\nI wrote:\n  Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up. \n\nAwesley wrote:\n     Taking the tour after the riots, it was pretty easy to tell the \n  difference between Army and Guard troops.  Or so I recall from 26 \n  years ago.  And I seem to recall it was the Army running the tanks.\n  So it would have been an Army cover-up.\n\nQuibble.  Fine, it was an Army cover-up.  Six years in the Reserves has\ntaught me the difference also.  But do you think that in two and half\ndecades not one guilt-ridden participant has come forward and said \"yes, I\nshelled Americans,\" or \"I gave the orders to fire the cannons,\" or \"I\nhelped cover it up\"?\n\nI wrote:\n  If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you.  I\nprefer\n  to live in reality.   And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that\n  those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them.\n\nAwesley replied:\n    Given the level in destruction in Detroit, I'm quite willing to believe\n  that they did fire their guns.\n\nGood.  Then we can drop the junk about you not claiming that they did. \nYour belief fails a basic reality check: why isn't it known?\n\nAwesley concludes:\n     Now then, we've bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read\n  this far and all you've managed to say is that you don't believe the\n  account I cited.\n\nActually, now we have established that I don't believe what you believe, as\nwell as why I don't believe it.  And if it's boring, then I yield the last\nword to you, if you want it.  You may say anything you like with\nimpunity--I am dropping the subject.\n\n--John L. Scott\n","1333":"From: cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research)\nSubject: Re: Investment in Yehuda and Shomron\nLines: 16\nNf-ID: #R:horenC5LDuz.5sE@netcom.com:1074830076:cdp:1483500346:000:733\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr    Apr 16 17:02:00 1993\n\n\nAryans who do not base their reasoning on Nazi ideology are racists...\n\nThus spoke an American citizen in the name of Judaism. If this is Judaism,\nI think Judaism should be combatted as any extremist and dangerous\nphilosophy.\n\nI suspect however that Martin Buber, Albert Einstein and other Jewish\nscholars would have rather converted to Christianity than stay Jews, if\nthey would have perceived Judaism as such a perverted philosophy.\n\nThose who wish to learn something about the perversion of Judaism,\nshould consult the masterly work by Yehoshua Harkabi, who was many\nyears the head of Israeli Intelligence and an opponent of the PLO. His\nlatest book was published in English and includes a very detailed analysis\nof Judeo-Nazism.\n","1334":"From: terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nOrganization: Univ of Rochester, College of Engineering and Applied Science\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.155856.8260@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com  writes:\n>In article <1993Apr17.185118.10792@ee.rochester.edu>, terziogl@ee.rochester.edu (Esin Terzioglu) writes:\n>|> In article <1993Apr16.195452.21375@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:\n>|> >04\/16\/93 1045  ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\n>|> >\n>|>  \n>|> Ermenistan kasiniyor...\n>|> \n>|> Let me translate for everyone else before the public traslation service gets\n>|> into it\t: Armenia is getting itchy. \n>|> \n>|> Esin.\n>\n>\n>Let me clearify Mr. Turkish;\n>\n>ARMENIA is NOT getting \"itchy\". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW that SHE\n>WILL NO  LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with their FAMOUS \n>tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion of the Greek island of\n                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. \n ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\nYour ignorance is obvious from your posting. \n\n1) Cyprus was an INDEPENDENT country with Turkish\/Greek inhabitants (NOT a \n   Greek island like your ignorant posting claims)\n\n2) The name should be Cyprus (in English)\n\nnext time read and learn before you post. \n\nEsin.\n","1335":"From: apland@mala.bc.ca (Ron Apland)\nSubject: Re: Telephone # of Cirrus Logic\nOrganization: Malaspina College\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <C63M1s.M86@news.Hawaii.Edu>, chen@galileo.ifa.hawaii.edu (Hua Chen) writes:\n> Is there anybody who knows the telephone number of Cirrus Logic Co., \n> maker of a graphic card? Please reply to chen@cfa.harvard.edu\n> Thank you very much.  \n> \n> Hua Chen\n> Center for Astrophysics\n> \n\n\nBBS number\n510-226-2365\n\nRon\n","1336":"From: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)\nSubject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography\nReply-To: pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley)\nOrganization: Edinburgh University\nDistribution: inet\nLines: 12\n\nQuoting jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu in article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU>:\n>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it\n>was posted encrypted?\n\n>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain.\n\nIn fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they\nare almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the\nEFF.\n  __                                  _____\n\\\/ o\\ Paul Crowley   pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\\\ \/\/\n\/\\__\/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \\X\/  Fold a fish for Jesus!\n","1337":"From: jr0930@eve.albany.edu (REGAN JAMES P)\nSubject: Re: Pascal-Fractals\nOrganization: State University of New York at Albany\nLines: 10\n\nApparently, my editor didn't do what I wanted it to do, so I'll try again.\n\ni'm looking for any programs or code to do simple animation and\/or\ndrawing using fractals in TurboPascal for an IBM\n              Thanks in advance\n-- \n |||||||||||   \t\t \t   ||||||||||| \n_|||||||||||_______________________|||||||||||_      jr0930@eve.albany.edu\n-|||||||||||-----------------------|||||||||||-     jr0930@Albnyvms.bitnet\n |||||||||||  GO HEAVY OR GO HOME  |||||||||||\n","1338":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Blindsight\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <werner-240393161954@tol7mac15.soe.berkeley.edu> werner@soe.berkeley.edu (John Werner) writes:\n>In article <19213@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote:\n>> \n>> Explain.  I thought there were 3 types of cones, equivalent to RGB.\n>\n>You're basically right, but I think there are just 2 types.  One is\n>sensitive to red and green, and the other is sensitive to blue and yellow. \n>This is why the two most common kinds of color-blindness are red-green and\n>blue-yellow.\n>\n\nYes, I remember that now.  Well, in that case, the cones are indeed\ncolor sensitive, contrary to what the original respondent had claimed.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1339":"From: oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni)\nSubject: Re: Date is stuck\nOrganization: Orbital Engine Company\nLines: 29\n\nbsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis) writes:\n\n>kevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes:\n\n>>Anybody seen the date get stuck?\n\n>>I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time.  The machine\n>>is left running all the time.\n\n>>Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over.  The time is (reasonably) accurate\n>>allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning.  This involves\n>>exiting the menu system to get to DOS.\n\n>I've started to notice the same thing myself. I'm running DOS 5 and Win 3.1 so\n>I can fix it from the Windows Control Panel. At times it is the date, at\n>others the clock seems to be running several minutes behind where it should\n>be.\n\nDid I once hear that in order for the date to advance, something, like a \nclock, *has* to make a Get Date system call? Apparently, the clock\nhardware interrupt and BIOS don't do this (date advance) automatically. The\nGet Date call notices that a \"midnight reset\" flag has been set, and then\nthen advances the date.\n\nAnybody with more info?\n-- \nJohn Bongiovanni, Systems Analyst, Orbital Engine Company, Perth, Australia\noecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au, bongo@alumni.caltech.edu\nOpinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation.\n","1340":"From: fischer@iesd.auc.dk (Lars Peter Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???\nIn-Reply-To: archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com's message of 6 Apr 93 18:18:30 GMT\nOrganization: Mathematics and Computer Science, Aalborg University\n\t<C51Eyz.4Ix@optimla.aimla.com> <1993Apr6.144520.2190@unocal.com>\n\t<h48vtis@zola.esd.sgi.com>\nLines: 11\n\n\n>>>>> \"Archer\" == Archer (Bad Cop) Surly (archer@elysium.esd.sgi.com)\n\nArcher> How about \"Interactive Sex with Madonna\"?\n\nor \"Sexium\" for short.\n\n\/Lars\n--\nLars Fischer, fischer@iesd.auc.dk | It takes an uncommon mind to think of\nCS Dept., Aalborg Univ., DENMARK. | these things.  -- Calvin\n","1341":"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas)\nSubject: re: Pantheism and Environmentalism\nOrganization: Kulikauskas home\nLines: 31\n\nKEVXU@cunyvm.bitnet writes:\n\n[deleted]\n> first paragraph and the mention of pantheism.  Is pantheism \"perverted\"\n> and \"dangerous\", or just not one's cup of tea?  None of this is clear.\n\nI can't speak for Mr. Cavano, but I understood his comment to refer to \nthe idea that unrecognized pantheism is dangerous to Christians.  If we \nunthinkingly adopt pantheistic ideas that are opposed to Christianity, \nwe can pervert our faith.  When we clearly recognize pantheism when we \nencounter it we have the opportunity to embrace what is consistent with \nChristianity and reject what isn't.    \n\nWe need to be alert, always thinking and questioning.  We must examine \nthe underlying assumptions of every book we read, tv program we watch \nand socio-political movement we participate in.  Ideas are important.  \nPhilosophies and doctrines are what give form to the events of our \nlives.  They are the basis from which we live our lives of love and \nservice.  The command to love God with all one's mind means no fuzzy-\nheaded drifting from idea to idea. \n\n> and that consumerism and our rapacious style of living\n> are so rarely called by their appropriate name: Greed.\n\nOne Christian who acknowledges this is the Pope.  It is a frequent theme \nin his writings.  Indeed, thoughtful Christians from most traditions \nrecognize that consumerism has no place in the lives of Christians.  It \ntoo is a perversion and dangerous to our faith.  Thank you, Jack, for \npointing out the parallel. \n\nJayne Kulikauskas\/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org\n","1342":"Subject: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography\nFrom: kubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo)\nOrganization: Dept. of Math, Harvard Univ.\nNntp-Posting-Host: zariski.harvard.edu\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <4014.Apr2003.03.4093@silverton.berkeley.edu> \ndjb@silverton.berkeley.edu (D. J. Bernstein) writes:\n>\n>I want to see an organization which will combat such statements.\n>Encryption does _not_ threaten the public safety, any more than ski\n>masks do. Every American _is_ entitled to use strong encryption which\n>ensures his own privacy and is _not_ crippled by a key-escrow system.\n>I guess I'm looking for a ``League for Cryptographic Freedom.'' Or a\n>``National Cryptography Association.''\n\nAn excellent idea.\n\n>\n>To what extent does the EFF serve this purpose? Is a new organization\n>necessary? Does it already exist?\n\nWhile I don't know the full scope of the activities of the EFF, \nfrom what little I've seen I think it would be better to lobby for \nstrong cryptography through a distinct organization.\n\nThe EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex\nand pictures newsgroups at various universities. Horror stories about the\ncontents of those groups (e.g. exploitative pictures of possibly underaged\nmodels) have already surfaced in the press. The White House bulletin\nalready raised the specter of drug-dealing and terrorism, which is only one\nstep removed from the old \"crypto-wielding child molester\" argument.  An\nEFF lobbying effort for cryptography would be too easily derailed by the\nconnection to child pornography and the like.\n\nSimilarly, LPF is connected with Stallman and his Gnu project.  In\nlight of, say, the Gnu Manifesto, this means that in a public debate it\nstands to be labelled as \"communist\", \"anarchist hackers\", radical, etc.  \n\nI don't know about CPSR, but if it is an offshoot of Physicians for Social\nResponsibility (best known for Helen Caldicott and her hysterical\nantinuclear lobbying) then it probably also carries unwelcome political\nbaggage.\n\nPerhaps for practical reasons a lobbying organization for cryptography\nwould best be formed under the umbrella of EFF or some other existing\ngroup, but its charter should then be distinct, independent, and limited to\nadvocacy for the right to cryptography.  To reiterate Dan Bernstein's\nquestion: does any suitable organization exist?  If not, what are you going\nto do about it?\n\nHaving mentioned the possible dangers of unwelcome political associations,\nI would be remiss not to suggest something in the opposite direction:\ngathering the support of the NRA by emphasizing the RKBA side of the\nissue as well as the First-Amendment side.\n\n\n\nTal  kubo@math.harvard.edu\n\n\n","1343":"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)\nSubject: Re: A Rational Viewpoint ---> was Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1qn57cINNabv@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> stephen@orchid.UCSC.EDU () writes:\n    >It is very difficult for a young person to develop and build\n    >a positive view of themself when they are constantly being\n    >told implicitly and explicitly that they are wrong and\n    >immoral.\n\nYes, that is most certainly true. However, the paragrapgh reflects a value-less\nposition and infers that what is more important than anything else is to\nhave \"a positive view\" of one's self.\n\nThis of course, is foolish.\n\nShould a mass murderer, a pedophile, a 10-year old pyromaniac have a \"positive\nview\" of themselves?\n\nOf course not.\n\nA person that engages in behaviour that a large number of people condemn,\nand IF you believe in the concept of \"society\", then your only choice is\nto expect that person to have a negative view of themselves.\n\n\n-- \nThere are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of\nenvironmental disaster. Weird, eh?\n\nThese opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)\n","1344":"Subject: Re: What do Nuclear Site's Cooling Towers do?\nFrom: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter)\nOrganization: Institut fuer Informatik\nNntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1qlg9o$d7q@sequoia.ccsd.uts.EDU.AU>  writes:\n> \n> \n> I really don't know where to post this question so I figured that\n> this board would be most appropriate.\n> I was wondering about those massive concrete cylinders that\n> are ever present at nuclear poer sites. They look like cylinders\n> that have been pinched in the middle. Does anybody know what the\n> actual purpose of those things are?. I hear that they're called\n> 'Cooling Towers' but what the heck do they cool?\n> I hope someone can help \n> \n\nThis is definitely the wrong newsgroup for this, but never mind.\nAny machine powered by heat (motor, steam- or gasturbine, steamengine,  \nthermoelement,etc) work the better, the bigger the temperature difference  \nbetween input and output is. Because You never get all thermic energy out of  \nthe powering medium (steam, burning gaz, etc), You have to eliminate the rest  \nof the energy to keep the efficency high. A thermal electric power plant (coal,  \noil or atomic power) works just the same way. You heat water (steam) to power  \nthe turbine and generators. Because You don't get the whole energy out of the  \nsteam (efficency is never 100%) You have to cool down this steam again by  \nsomething else. Most power plants use cooling towers for this purpose (some  \ntype of mega-refrigerator...). Others use water of a river (ecologically not  \nunobjectionable). Got it ?\n\nCheers   Robert  (HB9NBY)\n--\nRobert Ganter\t\t\t\/------------\\\nUniversitaet Basel\t\t| I am a fan |\nInstitut fuer Informatik\t| of my plan |\nBasel\/Switzerland\t\t\\------------\/\nganter@ifi.unibas.ch\namateurradio: HB9NBY\tpacket: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU\n","1345":"From: w1gsl@athena.mit.edu (Steven L. Finberg)\nSubject: New England Ham - Electronic Fleamarket Dates  ** 1 April update  **\nKeywords: Fleamarkets Swaps Ham Radio Computers Electronics\nArticle-I.D.: senator-.1peffgINNarc\nExpires: 6 May 1993\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 112\nNNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-5.mit.edu\n\n\n\n\nNew England Area Major Flea Market    ***  DATES  ***      1993        P 1 of 2\nAll events are Ham Radio\/ Electronic related except ~_____~ \n*******************************************************************************\n1993                                                    Contact          Source\n*******************************************************************************\n\n3 April Upper Saddle River NJ CRRC   9-3 sell @8     Jack W2EHD 201 768 8360 D\n\n4 April Southington CT SARA @HS $20@6:3 $10@8:3 $3@9      N1GCV 203 621 6191 F\n\n17 April Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church Ray 508 865 1290\n \n18 April Cambridge MA       FLEA at MIT                    Nick 617 253 3776 F\n               buy $2@9A  sellers $10\/sp@7A $8in adv  $35 for season pass\n               3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October   \n\n18 April Webster MA ECARA @ Pt Breeze Rest $3 tables $10   Gary 203 974 2564 F\n\n18 April Agawam MA HCRA @ Southwick Rec Ctr $3@9A     Bob W1ZGP 203 653 0715 F\n\n23,24,25 April Dayton OH  adm $11  sell $30\/50++       evenings 513 767 1107 F\n\n2 May Yonkers NY  @Lincoln HS                       Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A\n\n7-8 May Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri  WA1IVB sase\n\n15 May N Smithfield RI RIFMRS @VFW Main St 8A        Rick K1KYI 401 725 7507  \n\n16 May Cambridge MA       FLEA at MIT                      Nick 617 253 3776 F\n\n16 May Pittsfield MA @Taconic HS Sell $5@7 Buy $2@8 Cliff W1SJV 413 743 3334  \n\n21-22-23 May Rochester NY ARRL-NY Conv @ Monroe FG  Harold K2HC 800 724 8515 F\n\n5 June S Burlington VT                             Mitch WB2JSJ 802 879 6589\n\n6 June Newington CT @HS Flea                         Les KA1KRP 203 523 0453\n\n12 June Bangor ME Pine St ARC @Hermon ES 146.34\/94 8AM-$2 Roger 207 848 3846 \n\n20 June Cambridge MA         FLEA at MIT                   Nick 617 253 3776 F\n\n17 July Nashua NH NE Antique RC $5@8 $1@9 @ Res Ctr Church  Ray 508 865 1290\n\n17 July Union ME @ Fairground $3@7AM State Conv    Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915  \n\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nLAST UPDATE 3-29-93 de W1GSL                                           P 1 of 2\n*******************************************************************************\nAdditions\/ Corrections  via Internet  w1gsl@athena.mit.edu\n                            US Mail   W1GSL POB 82 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139\n                                      SASE for updated copy as issued.\n\f\n\n\n1993                                                   Contact           Source\n*******************************************************************************\n\n18 July Cambridge MA         FLEA at MIT                   Nick 617 253 3776 F\n                   3rd Sunday Each Month April thru October   \n\n24 July Manchester NH NHARA @HI 8A$4 NE DC 300Ts (no TG) WB1HBB 603 432 6011 F\n\n8 Aug White Planes NY WECAfest                      Sarah N2EYX 914 962 9666 D\n\n8 Aug Wellseley MA WARS+BARS @Babson College         Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 T\n\n14 Aug St Albans ME  @ Snow Mobile Club             Hitch K1HHC 207 796 2282  \n\n15 Aug Cambridge MA          FLEA at MIT                   Nick 617 253 3776 F\n\n29 Aug Fall River MA BCRA                            Tom WA1LBK 508 674 4163 T+\n\n11 Sept Windsor ME @ Fairground $3@7AM             Skeet KA1LPW 207 622 2915  \n\n12 Sept Gaithersburg MD FAR @Mg Cty FG $5@6A- $7TG Nancy Drahim 703 691 0078 J\n\n12 Sept S Dartmouth MA SE Mass ARA 8A-                Dan N1HCV 508 933 0678  +\n\n19 Sept Cambridge MA         FLEA at MIT                   Nick 617 253 3776 F\n\n19 Sept Sandy Hook CT Candlewood ARA               Harold KB1US              A\n\n25 Sept Greenbush ME  WCSN\/BARC @WCSN xmtr          Ed Cockburn 207 732 4366  \n\n26 Sept Framingham MA @ HS $12@8 $5@9 $2@10          Barry WN1N 508 877 4947 F\n\n26 Sept Yonkers NY Metro 70 ARC                     Otto WB2SLQ 914 969 1053 A\n\n15,16 Oct Rochester NH Hoss Traders @FG ex13 off rt 16 $5 noon fri      K1RQG \n\n17 Oct Cambridge MA          FLEA at MIT                   Nick 617 253 3776 F\n\n13 Nov Plymouth MA Mayflower RC @Mem Hall 9-3 sell@8   Jim NM1F 508 747 2224  \n                   \n14 Nov Branford CT SCARA @intrm sch                 Brad WA1TAS 203 265 9983 T\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nLAST UPDATE 3-29-93 de W1GSL                                           P 2 of 2\nSource F= Flyer  J= John Roberts list   A= ARRL list   WR NV 73 CQ QST = Mags\n       T= tentative early info    D= W1DL      + = new info this month\nThis list has been compiled from many sources.  While we believe the info to \nbe accurate the author can not be responsible for changes or errors.  \nCheck with the sponsoring organizations for more details. \nThis list will be posted monthly to Usenet if additions have been made. \nMailed copies are sent when additions are made.\n*******************************************************************************\nAdditions\/ Corrections  via Internet  w1gsl@athena.mit.edu\n                            US Mail   W1GSL POB 82 MIT Br Cambridge MA 02139\n                                      SASE for updated copy as issued.\n","1346":"From: swick@news.Colorado.EDU (Ross Swick)\nSubject: Books on I.C.C other than I.C.C.M.\nNntp-Posting-Host: nsidc2.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nDistribution: cu\nLines: 21\n\nCan anyone recomend a good book or article on inter-client communications\nBESIDES I.C.C.M.?\n\nI've looked everywhere I can and it seems everyone tells you how to do it\nbut nobody SHOWS you how.  O'Reilly has no examples, ICCM has no examples,\nAsente & Swick give no examples - in fact most of the books I've looked at,\nif they discuss ICC at all, simply give a condensed version of the ICCM and\nthen refer you to the ICCM.  I did find one example of how to use Atoms and \nProperties in Young's book and five hours after I bought Young's book I had\nmy applications talking to each other.\n\nI am not sure, however, if thats the best way.  I'd like to stay independent \nof Unix so pipes and\/or sockets probably aren't the way to go.  But within X\none can also use messages, the clipboard, and perhaps window groups.\n\nI need a text that discusses the various methods, discusses which method is best\nfor which purpose, and gives examples.  Without examples it's all just words.\n\nThanks in advance\n\nRoss\n","1347":"From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nDistribution: na\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <C4tM1H.ECF@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n>\n>For chrissakes, take out your calculator and work out the numbers.\n>Here... I've preformatted them for you to make it easier:\n>\n>\t\t\thandgun homicides\/population\n>\t\t\t----------------------------\n>\tSwitzerland :\t24 \/  6,350,000\n>\t         UK :    8 \/ 55,670,000\n>\n>.... and then tell me again how Switzerland is safer with a more\n>liberal handgun law than the UK is without...by RATE or TOTAL NUMBER.\n>Your choice.\n\nPlease, PAY ATTENTION.\nI, and others, were referring to TOTAL HOMICIDE DEATHS, NOT JUST\nHANDGUN HOMICIDES.  In terms of how likely are you to be killed,\n(regardless of how it's done, 'cause DEAD is DEAD), the UK has a\nhigher homicide rate. Period.  You are more likely to be killed in the\nUK than in Switzerland.  If you were to be murdered with a handgun,\nthen yes, Switzerland has a higher rate.  But, to belabor the point,\nyou are MORE LIKELY to be murdered in the UK. In that sense, the\nweapon is irrelevant.  The UK is more violent, period.\n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n>\n","1348":"From: raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu (Mark Raymaker)\nSubject: graphics driver standards\nOrganization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bcm.tmc.edu\nKeywords: graphics,standards\n\nI have a researcher who collecting electical impulses from\nthe human heart through a complex Analog to Digital system\nhe has designed and inputting this information into his EISA\nbus HP Vectra Computer running DOS and the Phar Lap DOS extender. \n\nHe want to purchase a very high-performance video card for\n3-D modeling. He is aware of a company called Matrox but\nhe is concerned about getting married to a company and their\nvideo routine library. He would hope some more flexibility:\nto choose between several card manufacturers with a standard\nvideo driver. He would like to write more generic code- \ncode that could be easily moved to other cards or computer operating\nsystems in the future. Is there any hope?\nAny information would be greatly appreciated-\nPlease, if possible, respond directly to internet mail \nto raymaker@bcm.tmc.edu\n\nThanks\n\n\n\n","1349":"From: aa894@Freenet.carleton.ca (Terry MacLean)\nSubject: How Do I Modify Key Map?\nOrganization: National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Canada\nLines: 35\n\n\nHello folks,\n\nI'm seeing these errors when I try to modify my key map:\n\nmwm: invalid accelerator specfication, line x\n\nI've added a line in the start up file before the line\nthat starts mwm. It looks like the following:\n\nxmodmap keymapfile\nmwm\n\nI think that the problem has to do with a conflict between\nfunction keys F1 through F7 which already have assigned\nfunctions (e.g. Move, Minimize, etc).\n\nThe odd thing is that I don't see these errors if I run\n\nxmodmap keymapfile\n\nfrom an xterm.\n\nCan anyone suggest a way to modify the key map, specifically\nF1 through F7 AND not have mwm (Motif Window Manager) complain.\n\nI realize this is a bit stupid, but we only have time to\nimplement, not time to learn how to implement.\n\nTerry\n","1350":"From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)\nSubject: Re: So That's Where the Oil in my K75 Went\nReply-To: joe@rider.cactus.org\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: NOT\nLines: 10\n\ntim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:\n]Just wanted to say \"Thanks\" to everyone who sent me e-mail or\n]posted a reply to my question on the oil consumption in my K75S\n\nso what did _you_ decide?\n\n-- \nJoe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org\nAustin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org\nTexas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org\n","1351":"From: bartmich@cwis.isu.edu (BARTA_MICHAEL_D.)\nSubject: 1989 Honda Accord LX\nOrganization: Idaho State University, Pocatello\nLines: 16\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cwis.isu.edu\n\n************* 1989 HONDA ACCORD LX ***************\n\nLight Brown, Four Door Power Windows, Power Brakes\nPower Locks, Power Steering, Power Antenna\nAM\/FM Cassette, Totally Cloth Interior. VERY NICE!\n70,000 miles but excellent condition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\nMust Sell, quit my job to go back to school.\nBlue book $9,200 in IDAHO\nAsking only $8,000 OBO\nemail bartmich@cwis.isu.edu Phone 208-233-8039\nPocatello, Idaho\n\n-- \n :-> From Michael Barta's AMIGA2000 <-:       send email to\n :->  I.S.U.   Electronics Student  <-:       bartmich@cwis.isu.edu\n\n","1352":"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin?\nArticle-I.D.: news.2BC0D53B.20378\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 28\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:\n>In article <3456@israel.nysernet.org> warren@nysernet.org writes:\n>>In <C4xKBx.53F@polaris.async.vt.edu> jfurr@polaris.async.vt.edu (Joel Furr) writes:\n>>>How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin?\n>>\n>>That reminds me of the Armenian massacre of the Turks.\n>>\n>>Joel, I took out SCT, are we sure we want to invoke the name of he who\n>>greps for Mason Kibo's last name lest he include AFU in his daily\n>>rounds?\n>\n>I dunno, Warren.  Just the other day I heard a rumor that \"Serdar Argic\"\n>(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all,\n>but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the\n>massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion\n>impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud\n>of confusion.  \n\n\nDIs it possible to track down \"zuma\" and determine who\/what\/where \"seradr\" is?\nIf not, why not? I assu\\me his\/her\/its identity is not shielded by policies\nsimilar to those in place at \"anonymous\" services.\n\nTim\nD\nD\nD\nVery simpl\n","1353":"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nIn-Reply-To: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:03:59 GMT\nReply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com\nOrganization: Lehman Brothers\n\t<1993Apr19.180049.20572@qualcomm.com>\n\t<1qv83m$5i2@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>\n\t<1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch>\nLines: 21\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.000359.20098@bernina.ethz.ch> caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni) writes:\n\n\n   Just a question. \n   As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee\n   intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes\n   with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be  a basic condition\n   for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland)\n\nYou are obliged to let the police search the equipment if they have a\nproper court order. You are under no legal obligation to keep the data\nintelligble. If you wish to run your BBS entirely with all data\nencrypted such that if the police show up they cannot read anything,\nwell, thats their problem. There are no legal restrictions on domestic\nuse of cryptography in the United States -- YET.\n\n--\nPerry Metzger\t\tpmetzger@shearson.com\n--\nLaissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.\n","1354":"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)\nSubject: Re: Dumb Question: Function Generator\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <C5J845.3B8@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> dgj2y@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (David Glen Jacobowitz) writes:\n>\n>\tI have a new scope and I thought I'd save a few bucks by\n>buying one with a function generator built in.\n\nHmm... now where was that ad for the combination radio\/hand cranked\ngenerator\/flashlight\/siren I saw? :-)\n\n[function generator has a 50mV offset, and the amplitude's too high]\n\n>\tIs there any way I could make myself a little box that could\n>solve this little problem. The box would tkae the function generator\n>input, lower the voltage and give an output impedance that is some\n>low, unchanging number. I would want to lower the voltage by a factor\n>of one hundred or so. I could just build a little buffer amp, but I'd\n>like to have this box not be active.\n\nSure, you've already got the right idea.\n\nIgnoring the 50 ohm internal resistance of the generator for a second, just\nrun it into, say, a voltage divider made of 990 ohms in series with 10\nohms.  This new circuit is the Thevenin equivalent of one that puts out\n1\/100 of the original voltage, and has an output impedence of negligibly\nless than 10 ohms.  You may want to monkey with the values a little\ndepending on whether you care more about the _exact_ dividing ratio or\nthe availability of parts.\n\nHows that sound?\n\n\t\t\t\t\t---Joel Kolstad\n\nP.S. -- This is why those 1000:1 high voltage probes for multimeters can be\naccurate but still cheap.  They have something like 100 megs in series with\n100k, which doesn't load the (often high impedence) source much, as well as\nkeeping the (probably 10 meg impedance) multimeter happy.\n","1355":"From: ranjan@cs.ubc.ca (Vishwa Ranjan)\nSubject: Complex (i.e. with real and imaginary parts) bio-medical images..\nOrganization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada\nLines: 7\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ironduke.cs.ubc.ca\n\nAre  complex  bio-medical  images  available  anywhere on the net for \nexperimentation?  By complex I mean that every sampled data point has \na magnitude and phase information both. \n\nThanks for any pointers,\n--Vishwa\n\n","1356":"From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend)\nSubject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....\nIn-Reply-To: dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 21:53:17 GMT\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Service\nLines: 17\n\n\"dam9543\" == dam9543  <dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> writes:\n\n\ndam9543> \tI get back drom work today, look at me bike before\ndam9543> proceding in-side.  I nearly shit, my new DRY RIDER cover is\ndam9543> gone!  Barely two weeks old, and already gone, GOD-AM\n\nSomebody stole my trashed old Honda red\/white\/blue cover off a\nKZ440LTD in residential Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago.  The cover\nhad *holes* burnt in it around the exhaust, etc etc.  I figured it was\njust kids, but maybe not...\n\n-- \njet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...)\nThis is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov\n\"You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone.\"\nSkate UNIX or die, boyo.\n","1357":"From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins)\nSubject: Re: Space Advertising (2 of 2)\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 24\n\nWales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:\n\n>the \"Environmental\n>Billboard\" is a large inflatable outer support structure of up to\n>804x1609 meters.  Advertising is carried by a mylar reflective area,\n>deployed by the inflatable 'frame'.\n>   To help sell the concept, the spacecraft responsible for\n>maintaining the billboard on orbit will carry \"ozone reading\n>sensors\" to \"continuously monitor the condition of the Earth's\n>delicate protective ozone layer,\" according to Mike Lawson, head of\n>SMI. Furthermore, the inflatable billboard has reached its minimum\n>exposure of 30 days it will be released to re-enter the Earth's\n>atmosphere. According to IMI, \"as the biodegradable material burns,\n>it will release ozone-building components that will literally\n>replenish the ozone layer.\"\n ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^\n\n Can we assume that this guy studied advertising and not chemistry?  Granted \nit probably a great advertising gimic, but it doesn't sound at all practical.\n\n-- \nJosh Hopkins                                          jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu\n\t\t    \"Find a way or make one.\"\n\t             -attributed to Hannibal\n","1358":"From: dbrooks@osf.org (David Brooks)\nSubject: Re: Q: Colormaps with dialog shells\nOrganization: Open Software Foundation\nLines: 29\n\ndyoung@media.mit.edu (David Young) writes:\n| \n| I have an applicationShell which uses a colormap created with\n| XCreateColormap() and uses all of the colors available for my 8-bit\n| display....When I popup a dialogShell to prompt the user for\n| some input I want the XmNdialogStyle to be set to\n| XmDIALOG_PRIMARY_APPLICATION_MODAL.  The result is that if my cursor is\n| over the dialogShell I get my colormap, but if the cursor is over the\n| applicationShell (or any window other than the dialogShell) I get the\n| default colormap.  But I'd like it so that if my cursor is over _any_\n| window of my application, I get my colormap.\n\nI *think* this is correct behavior.  Remember the default\ncolormapFocusPolicy is keyboard (meaning the cmap focus follows the\nkeyboard focus).  Since the dialog is modal, mwm won't allow keyboard\nfocus onto your main shell, and so it won't allow cmap focus either.\n\nSince it sounds as though you have keyboardFocusPolicy:pointer, I\nsuggest you set colormapFocusPolicy:pointer also.  That way, the cmap\nfocus won't slavishly follow keyboard focus, but will beat its own path.\n\n(if you have keyboardFocusPolicy: explicit, you can set cmap focus\nexplicit also, but you then need a binding to f.focus_color, probably on\nMB1).\n-- \nDavid Brooks\t\t\t\t\tdbrooks@osf.org\nOpen Software Foundation\t\t\tuunet!osf.org!dbrooks\nShowres soote my foote\n\n","1359":"From: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nSubject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 20\nReply-To: ch981@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tony Alicea)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) says:\n\n>\n>\"It is known only to a few that there exists an external visible\n>organization of such men and women, who having themselves found\n>the path to real self-knowledge, and who, having travelled the\n>burning sands, are willing to give the benefit of their experience,\n>and to act as spiritual guides to those who are willing to be\n>guided.\n>\"While numberless societies, associations, orders, groups etc.\n>have been founded during the last thirty years in all parts of\n>the civilised world, all following some line of occult study,\n>yet there is but ONE ancient organization of genuine Mystics\n>\n\n\tUp to that point I thought you were talking about the\nRosicrucian Order... :-)  [No offense intended!]\n\nTony\n","1360":"From: alvin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kenneth Alvin)\nSubject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 66\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.33.1993.28409@athos.rutgers.edu> kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu (Dr Nancy's Sweetie) writes:\n>Dean Velasco quoted a letter from James M Stowell, president of\n>Moody Bible Institute:\n>\n>>  We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant\n>>  moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed\n>>  His truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic\n>>  importance of those absolutes.\"\n>\n>There has been a lot of discussion, but so far nobody seems to have hit on\n>exactly what the criticism of \"arrogance\" is aimed at.\n>\n> <lots of stuff deleted>\n>\n>This is where the \"arrogance of Christians\" arises: many people believe\n>that their own personal research can give them absolute certainty about the\n>doctrines of Christianity -- they are implicitly claiming that they are\n>infallible, and that there is no possibility of mistake.\n>\n>Claiming that you CANNOT have made a mistake, and that your thinking has led\n>you to a flawless conclusion, is pretty arrogant.\n\nI agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a \npersonal observation.  What I see as arrogance and the problem I have \nwith it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for\nothers who come to differing conclusions.  Clearly, this is not just \nChristian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems\nwithin Christianity.  I do not tend to argue with others about matters\nof personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by\nobjective means.  \n\nChoosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal \nsovereignty.  What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these \nmatters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them \nbut are absolute and should be binding on others.  It follows from this\nthat God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus \nanyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing\nthe wrong path.  This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the\nhonest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God.\nEven a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others.  It is\nuniversalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud\nnotion that one's relationship with God is superior to other's, that\nleads to arrogance.  In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-)\n\n\n>Darren F Provine \/ kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu\n>\"At the core of all well-founded belief, lies belief that is unfounded.\"\n>                                                    -- Ludwig Wittgenstein\n\ncomments, criticism welcome...\n-Ken\nalvin@ucsu.colorado.edu\n\n[It is certainly reasonable to ask for some humility about our own\nability to know the truth.  There are also different paths in some\nareas of practice.  But I'd like to see more clarification about what\nyou mean when you reject the idea of saying \"their specific beliefs\nare not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on\nothers.\"  If something is true, it is true for everyone, assuming that\nthe belief is something about God, history, etc.  Of course something\nof the form \"I believe that it's best for me not to xxx\" could be true\nfor some people and not others.  I have suggested in the past that God\nmay be less concerned about doctrinal agreement than many people are.\nBut that doesn't mean I doubt that there is a difference between\ntrue and false, nor that I think there is no benefit in finding out\nwhat is true.  --clh]\n","1361":"From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart)\nSubject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only \nOrganization: Open Communications Forum\nLines: 37\n\nSince the AT&T wiretap chip is scheduled to be distributed \ninternationally, allowing the U.S. government to spy on foreign \ngovernments, companies and people as as well as to wiretap domestic \ncitizens, this is a world-wide issue.  Thus Distribution: world.\n\nygoland@wright.seas.ucla.edu (The Jester) writes:\n\n>However assuming that I can still encrypt things as I please, who\n>cares about the clipper chip? \n\nWhy do we hackers care about the Clipper chip?  Do we give a shit\nabout anybody's privacy accept our own?  And perhaps not even our\nown; are we so smart that we always know when we're talking to\nsomebody who has a wiretap on their phone?\n\nI find the \"call thru your computer\" ideas may reflect this attitude.\nIdeas that are of, by, and for hackers, and don't help anybody in the\nreal world, aren't going to do anybody much good, including ourselves\nwhere voice phones are concerned.\n\nWe *do* need an alternative to NSA-bugged telephones, but\nwe're talking inexpensive *telephones* here, including hand-sized\ncellulars, that need strong crypto, real privacy.  Make-shift\ncomputer hacker rigs that require living by your computer to\ntalk privately over the phone are just a dumb stunt that doesn't \ndo anything for anybody's privacy in the real world.  \n\nWhat we need is a true *privacy chip*.  For example, a real-time \nvoice-encryption RSA, silicon compile it and spit out ASIC.  \nPut this chip on the market as a de facto standard for international \nbusiness, diplomats, and private communications.  If the U.S. bans \nit, we make it somewhere else and import it.  The Japanese, German,\nDutch, Taiwanese, Korean, etc. electronics companies don't want the \nNSA spying on them.  U.S. workers lose more jobs to government fascist\nstupidity.\n\njhart@agora.rain.com\n","1362":"From: ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich)\nSubject: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity\nOrganization: Math department, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, ISRAEL\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <ARENS.93Apr13161407@grl.ISI.EDU> arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal\nArens) writes:\n\n>Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993.  P. A1.\n> ........\n\nThe problem if  transffering US government files about Yigal Arens\nand some other similar persons does or does not violate a federal\nor a local American law seemed to belong to some local american law\nforum  not to this forum.\nThe readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents\nof those files.\nSo It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:\n1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?\n2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ?\n3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an\n   additional information should he send them ?\n\n\nGideon Ehrlich\n","1363":"From: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us (David Hwang)\nSubject: Re: SHO and SC\nOrganization: D.J. Services\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <5214@unisql.UUCP> wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) writes:\n>In article <chrissC587qB.D1B@netcom.com> chriss@netcom.com (Chris Silvester) writes:\n>\n>>WAGON, which I have heard is somehow slightly faster than the Coupe.\n>\n>\tWagon has an automatic, it's slower.\n>\nCould be due to the rear-end ratio also.  \n\nUsually automatics have different rear-ends than manuals, from\nmy limited experience anyways.\n\nDavid\n>\n>\n\n\n-- \nDavid W. Hwang, M.D.           \/\/    University of Michigan Medical School\n1050 Wall Street, Suite 10C   \/\/           Telephone: 313\/663-5557\nAnn Arbor, Michigan 48105    \/\/    Internet: david@ganglion.ann-arbor.mi.us\n","1364":"From: u96_averba@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu\nSubject: Arythmia\nLines: 11\nOrganization: Stevens Institute Of Technology\n\nI don't know if anyone knows about this topic: electrical heart \nfailure. One of my friends has had to go to the doctor because\nhe had chest pains. The Doc said it was Arythmia. So he had to\ngo to a new york hospital for a lot of money to get treated. His\ndoctors said that he could die from it, and the medication caused\ncancer ( that he was taking). Well, I suggested that he run, excersize\nand eat more, ( he is very skinny) but he says that has nothing\nto do with it. Does anyone know what causes arythmia and how \nit can be treated?\n\t\t\tThanks \n\n","1365":"From: kingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth)\nSubject: Re: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: Bradley University\nLines: 34\n\nIn <1993Apr15.214133.3371@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu> apanjabi@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:\n\n>I Love it how all of these people are \"blaming\" the Phillies success \n>on a weak division.  Why don't we look at the record of the teams in \n>each division (READ: Inter-Divisional Play), we'll see that the East \n>is really kicking the shit out of the West.  I know it is early, but \n>that is all we have to go on.  Atlanta is just so strong with their \n>.188 BA, Cincinnati is 2-7 coming off a sweep at Veteran's Stadium in \n>Philadelphia, and Houston was swept in it's first three games by the \n>Phillies in the Astrodome.  That, my Western Division friends, shows \n>that the three best teams in your division may not be as strong as you \n>think!!\n \n  Or you may be posting this WAY TOO EARLY and be eating your words by\n  mid-season. C'mon, the Phillies haven't proved anything yet. Atlanta\n  was similar to the Phils 2 years ago. They sucked. They started having\n  a good year, but didn't get any respect until they actually won the\n  division. (which is how it should be) So until the Phils AT LEAST   \n  have a good year, not just a good 2 weeks, they won't get any respect\n  either. BTW, Atlanta's .188 BA is actually a compliment to how good\n  the Braves really are. Their record is 6-3. Can you imagine the Phils\n  record if they were batting .188? hahahaha. And Atlanta's hitting will\n  improve dramatically.  \n  No, I'm not a Braves fan. Just defending a good team. \n  Orin.\n  Bradley U.\n\n>PHILS ALL THE WAY IN '93\n>BRAVES HIT LIKE A AAA CLUB\n>REDS NEED MARGE\n\n>\t\t\t\t\t\t-BOB\n--\nI'm really a jester in disguise!                                   \n","1366":"From: joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin)\nSubject: Re: Language and agreement\nOrganization: Intelligent Systems Program\nLines: 59\n\nI responded to Jim's other articles today, but I see that I neglected\nto respond to this one.  I wouldn't want him to think me a hypocrite\nfor not responding to *every* stupid article on t.r.m.\n\nm23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt) writes:\n>From my handy dictionary:\n[dictionary definitions of \"not\" \"disagree\" and \"agree\" deleted]\n>Please operationally differentiate between \"not disagree\" and \"agree\".\n\nOh, but I'm weary of trying to wade through Jim's repertoire of \nred herrings and smoke screens.\n\nLet's see what we get when we run all four articles posted by Jim today\nthrough the 'discord' filter (a Markov chain program that Steve Lamont\nwas kind enough to send me):\n\n\tTaking action? A white geese be held\n\tas an accomplice to be held as\n\ta decision upon the door\n\tA black and white goose waddles past\n\tthe eyes of the door. \n\tHits it with the confidence interval for \n\tthat individual is held responsible \n\tfor that, that individual \n\tmay be held as a \n\tgetaway car may be held \n\tas an uncountably large number \n\tof the driver of something \n\tand agree.\n\n\tA black goose \n\twaddles past the person imprisoned?\n\n\tWhite goose waddles past the \n\tconfidence interval for the population \n\tof geese be axed, \n\tfine.\n\tAnd white goose \n\twaddles past the door.\n\nDoes running Jim's articles through 'discord' make them more\ncoherent?  Less coherent?\n\nOr has 'discord' turned Jim's articles into an angst-ridden poem\nabout making choices in a world filled with uncertainty, yet being\nheld responsible for the choices we make?  Do the geese symbolize\nan inner frustration with ambiguity, a desire that everything be\nblack and white, with no shades of gray?  Does the \"getaway car\"\ntell us that to try to renounce the existential nature of our\nbeing is not to \"get away\" from responsibility for our actions,\nbut rather to take the role of the passive accomplice, the\n\"driver\" of the getaway car, as it were?  Does the juxtaposition\nof man and machine, car and driver, reveal a subtext: an internal\nconflict between determinism and moral responsibility?\n\nOr am I reading too much into a collaboration between Jim and\na random number generator?\n\ndj\n","1367":"From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith)\nSubject: Re: Infield Fly Rule\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 31\n\njrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes:\n\n>One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't\n>yet been addressed.  I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this\n>situation:\n\n>If Infield Fly is declared and the ball is caught, runners can tag up\n>and advance at their own risk, as on any fly ball.\n\n>However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a\n>runner legally leave his base w\/o fear of being doubled off for\n>advancing too early?  When the\n>ball hits the ground?  When a fielder first touches the ball after it\n>hits the ground?\n\n>Enlightenment would be appreciated.\n\nI'm not sure I understand this question. When the IF rule is invoked,\nthe batter is automatically out. This relieves the runners from being\nforced to advance to the next base if the ball is not caught. Other\nthan that, isn't it just the same as any situation in which a runner on\na base is not forced to the next base on a dropped fly ball? That is,\nif the ball is caught he can tag up and run (or decide to stay), and\nif the ball is dropped he can have left the base at any time.\n\n-----\nEric Smith\nerics@netcom.com\nerics@infoserv.com\nCI$: 70262,3610\n\n","1368":"From: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nReply-To: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de\nOrganization: Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nDistribution: na\nLines: 268\n\nclipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov (Clipper Chip Announcement) writes:\n\n> The President today announced a new initiative that will bring\n> the Federal Government together with industry in a voluntary\n> program to improve the security and privacy of telephone\n> communications while meeting the legitimate needs of law\n> enforcement.\n\nA nice formulation for the introduction of the first encryption\ndevices with built-in trapdoors - just like the Feds wanted...\n\n> For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our\n> private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the\n> tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of\n> protecting Americans.  Rather than use technology to accommodate\n> the sometimes competing interests of economic growth, privacy and\n> law enforcement, previous policies have pitted government against\n> industry and the rights of privacy against law enforcement.\n\nBla-bla.\n\n> protect electronic mail and computer files.  While encryption\n> technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the\n> unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used\n> by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals.\n\nIndeed, and the current proposal does nothing to prevent the latter.\n\n> an ordinary telephone.  It scrambles telephone communications\n> using an encryption algorithm that is more powerful than many in\n> commercial use today.\n\nThis doesn't say much. There are many incredibly weak encryption\nalgorithms in commercial use today...\n\n> This new technology will help companies protect proprietary\n> information, protect the privacy of personal phone conversations\n> and prevent unauthorized release of data transmitted\n> electronically.\n\nExcept from the government.\n\n>  At the same time this technology preserves the\n> ability of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to\n> intercept lawfully the phone conversations of criminals. \n\nNope. The criminals won't be stupid enough to use the new chip,\nthey'll use something secure. This technology provides only means to\nintercept the phone conversations of people who are stupid enough to\nuse it.\n\n> agencies to decode messages encoded by the device.  When the\n> device is manufactured, the two keys will be deposited separately\n> in two \"key-escrow\" data bases that will be established by the\n> Attorney General.  Access to these keys will be limited to\n> government officials with legal authorization to conduct a\n> wiretap.\n\nThat is, the government has the keys. It doesn't matter much if they\nare in one or in two of its hands...\n\n> The \"Clipper Chip\" technology provides law enforcement with no\n> new authorities to access the content of the private\n> conversations of Americans.\n\nCorrect. It does, however, provide those Americans with the false\nsense of privacy.\n\n> devices.  In addition, respected experts from outside the\n> government will be offered access to the confidential details of\n> the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report\n> their findings.\n\nIf the screening is not public, it cannot be trusted. Some people do\nnot trust DES even today, after all the examinations - only because\nsome parts of its design were kept secret.\n\n> The chip is an important step in addressing the problem of\n> encryption's dual-edge sword:  encryption helps to protect the\n> privacy of individuals and industry, but it also can shield\n> criminals and terrorists.  We need the \"Clipper Chip\" and other\n> approaches that can both provide law-abiding citizens with access\n> to the encryption they need and prevent criminals from using it\n> to hide their illegal activities.  In order to assess technology\n\nSo they'll use a different technology to hide their illegal\nactivities. So will those law-abiding citizens, who do not trust their\ngovernment not to misuse its abilities to decrypt their conversations.\n\n>      --   the privacy of our citizens, including the need to\n>           employ voice or data encryption for business purposes;\n\nExcept from the government.\n\n>      --   the need of U.S. companies to manufacture and export\n>           high technology products.\n\nHuh? Later it says that the new technology will be export restricted.\n\n> Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important\n> role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act\n> quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding\n> its use.  The Administration is committed to policies that\n> protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting\n> them from those who break the law.\n\nIn short, the new technology can:\n\n1) Protect the law abiding citizen's privacy from the casual snooper.\n\nIt cannot:\n\n1) Protect him from the government, if it decides to misuse its\nability to decrypt the conversations.\n\n2) Protect him from the criminals who succeed to break the new\nencryption scheme or to steal the keys, or to bribe the people who\nhandle them, etc.\n\n3) Prevent the criminals from using secure encryption for\ncommunication.\n\n> Q:   Does this approach expand the authority of government\n>      agencies to listen in on phone conversations?\n\n> A:   No.  \"Clipper Chip\" technology provides law enforcement with\n>      no new authorities to access the content of the private\n>      conversations of Americans.\n\nCorrect. However, it does not provide them that much privacy as it\nclaims.\n\n> Q:   Who will run the key-escrow data banks?\n\n> A:   The two key-escrow data banks will be run by two independent\n>      entities.  At this point, the Department of Justice and the\n>      Administration have yet to determine which agencies will\n>      oversee the key-escrow data banks.\n\nTwo candidates: the NSA and the Mafia.\n\n> Q:   How strong is the security in the device?  How can I be sure\n>      how strong the security is?  \n\n> A:   This system is more secure than many other voice encryption\n>      systems readily available today. \n\nThat is, \"trust us\".\n\n> While the algorithm will\n>      remain classified to protect the security of the key escrow\n\n\"Security through obscurity\".\n\n>      system, we are willing to invite an independent panel of\n>      cryptography experts to evaluate the algorithm to assure all\n>      potential users that there are no unrecognized\n>      vulnerabilities.\n\nIf it's not entirely open to public examination, it cannot be\ntrusted. Besides, who can prove that the devices used for examination\nand the ones built into your phones will be the same?\n\n> Q:   Whose decision was it to propose this product?\n\n> A:   The National Security Council, the Justice Department, the\n\nThe NSA and the FBI?\n\n> Q:   Who was consulted?  The Congress?  Industry?\n\n> A:   We have on-going discussions with Congress and industry on\n>      encryption issues, and expect those discussions to intensify\n>      as we carry out our review of encryption policy.  We have\n>      briefed members of Congress and industry leaders on the\n>      decisions related to this initiative.\n\nWhy did they \"forget\" the Academia?\n\n> Q:   Will the government provide the hardware to manufacturers?\n\n> A:   The government designed and developed the key access\n>      encryption microcircuits, but it is not providing the\n>      microcircuits to product manufacturers.  Product\n>      manufacturers can acquire the microcircuits from the chip\n>      manufacturer that produces them.\n\nDoesn't this smell to monopolism?\n\n> Q:   Who provides the \"Clipper Chip\"?\n\n> A:   Mykotronx programs it at their facility in Torrance,\n>      California, and will sell the chip to encryption device\n>      manufacturers.  The programming function could be licensed\n>      to other vendors in the future.\n\nLike the Mafia?\n\n> Q:   If the Administration were unable to find a technological\n>      solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be\n>      willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more\n>      powerful encryption devices?\n\nThis is the main question, why was it buried at the end?\n\n> A:   This is a fundamental policy question which will be\n>      considered during the broad policy review.  The key escrow\n\n\"We'll see\".\n\n>      mechanism will provide Americans with an encryption product\n>      that is more secure, more convenient, and less expensive\n>      than others readily available today, but it is just one\n\n\"Trust us\".\n\n>      The Administration is not saying, \"since encryption\n>      threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,\n>      we will prohibit it outright\" (as some countries have\n\nIn short, \"If we decide to outlaw strong crypto, we'll tell you\".\n\n>      effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that \"every\n>      American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an\n>      unbreakable commercial encryption product.\"  There is a\n\nSince the US government seems to consider strong crypto as munitions\nand since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American\nto bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of\nright, to an unbreakable commercial encryption product?\n\n> A:   It indicates that we understand the importance of encryption\n>      technology in telecommunications and computing and are\n>      committed to working with industry and public-interest\n>      groups to find innovative ways to protect Americans'\n>      privacy, help businesses to compete, and ensure that law\n>      enforcement agencies have the tools they need to fight crime\n>      and terrorism.\n\nBullshit. The proposed technology provides a false sense of security,\nencryption devices with built-in capabilities for breaking the\nencryption, does not prevent the criminals to use strong crypto, and\nis a step to outlaw strong crypto.\n\n> Q:   Will the devices be exportable?  Will other devices that use\n>      the government hardware?\n\n> A:   Voice encryption devices are subject to export control\n>      requirements.  Case-by-case review for each export is\n>      required to ensure appropriate use of these devices.  The\n\nWho was the optimist who believed that the new administration will\nleave the export controls on strong crypto devices?\n\nOK, I'm not American, it's not my business, but I just couldn't resist\nto comment... The whole plot looks so totalitaristic... It's up to\nyou, Americans, to fight for your rights.\n\nRegards,\nVesselin\n\nP.S. Now is the time for David Sternlight to pop up and claim that the\nnew system is great.\n-- \nVesselin Vladimirov Bontchev          Virus Test Center, University of Hamburg\nTel.:+49-40-54715-224, Fax: +49-40-54715-226      Fachbereich Informatik - AGN\n< PGP 2.2 public key available on request. > Vogt-Koelln-Strasse 30, rm. 107 C\ne-mail: bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de    D-2000 Hamburg 54, Germany\n","1369":"From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom)\nSubject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n\n\n>In article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes:\n>>From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\n>>Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP\n>>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT\n>>\n>>As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of  \n>>late.  It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every  \n>>day.  The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I  \n\nThere is a way in SYS.INI to turn off RAM parity checking (unfortunately,\nmy good Windows references are at home, but any standard Win reference\nwill tell you how to do it. If not, email back to me.) That weird memory\nmay be producing phony parity errors. Danger is, if you turn checkling off,\nyou run the slight risk of data corruption due to a missed real error.\n\n","1370":"From: pebi@aem.umn.edu (Peter A. Bidian)\nSubject: Re: Cache card for IIsi\nNntp-Posting-Host: zephyr.aem.umn.edu\nOrganization: University of Minnesota\nLines: 5\n\nHi, I bought a while ago a Cache Card w\/ FPU from Techworks. It was 219$.\nI think that was the cheapest I ever saw.\n\nPeter\n\n","1371":"Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nFrom: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin)\n <a_rubin.735242424@dsg4.dse.beckman.com> <1993Apr20.151718.2576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Beckman Instruments, Inc.\nNntp-Posting-Host: dsg4.dse.beckman.com\nLines: 15\n\nIn <1993Apr20.151718.2576@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (James R Ebright) writes:\n\n>In article a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (Arthur Rubin) writes:\n\n>>I wouldn't trust the NSA.  I think I would trust the President on this, but\n>>I'm not certain he would be told.\n\n>\"I am not a crook.\" President Richard M. Nixon\n>                    ^^^^^^^^^\n\nTHIS President.  (And I could easily be wrong.)\n--\nArthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments\/Brea\n216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)\nMy opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.\n","1372":"From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)\nSubject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated, Mountain View\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1qmvutINN3he@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:\n}In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in\n}front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the \n}jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch\n}into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a\n}better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than\n}from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.\n\nThis is pretty damned complicated. I just make a \"back off\" motion with\nmy hand\/arm, and the second or third time even the most braindead cager\nbacks off. If they don't back off then, I find a way to get the hell out\nof there -- the cager is either psychotic, drunk, or just a complete\nasshole. In any case, I don't want to be anywhere near, and especially\nnot in front.\n-- \nCurtis Jackson\t   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com\t'91 Hawk GT\t'81 Maxim 650\nDoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix \"Studley Doright\"  '92 Collie\/Golden \"George\"\n\"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom\n in the guise of public safety.\" -- Thomas Jefferson\n","1373":"From: SITUNAYA@IBM3090.BHAM.AC.UK\nSubject: Any good Morphing Anims...\nOrganization: The University of Birmingham, United Kingdom\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ibm3090.bham.ac.uk\n\n==============================================================================\nHas anyone created any interesting animations using Dmorph\nI seem to be unable to create anything that looks remotely\nrealistic although this is probably due to the crappy GIF's\nat I am using (One of Captain Kirk and One of Spock), i'm a\nbit of a 'Trekker'.  What are the best type of pictures to use.\nthanks........\n            A.Situnayake\n","1374":"From: dscy@eng.cam.ac.uk (D.S.C. Yap)\nSubject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...\nKeywords: NHL, awards\nOrganization: cam.eng\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: club.eng.cam.ac.uk\n\nsmale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:\n\n>                        Team           Biggest       Biggest\n>Team:                   MVP:          Surprise:    Disappointment:\n>-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Washington Capitals     Hatcher        Bondra\/Cote   Elynuik\n>Winnipeg Jets           Selanne        Selanne       Druce\n\n                                                      ^^^^^^^^\n                                                      weren't these two\n                                                      traded for each\n                                                      other?  Poetic justice.\n","1375":"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)\nSubject: Re: Most bang for $13k\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.014638.56998@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (R\nOBERT WILLIAM FUSI) writes:\n>In article <23056.74.uupcb@cutting.hou.tx.us>, david.bonds@cutting.hou.tx.us (D\na\n>vid Bonds) writes:\n>>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:\n>> I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the\n>> $13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to b\ne\n>> driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to fe\ne\n>l\n>>\n>>Take a look at a '91 Taurus SHO - they can be found for ~13k, and are the\n>>ultimate in 4 door sports cars.  Performance similar to a Mustang, but\n>>quite civil and comfortable...  Try to get a late model 91 for the better\n>>shifter.\n>>\n>>\n>\n>>----\n>>The Cutting Edge BBS (cutting.hou.tx.us)   A PCBoard 14.5a system\n>>Houston, Texas, USA   +1.713.466.1525          running uuPCB\n>\n>>Well, you could always go with a 5.0 Mustang LX with a pleasant V8, but the\n>diamond star cars (Talon\/Eclipse\/Laser) put out 190 hp in the turbo models,\n>and 195 hp in the AWD turbo models,  These cars also have handling to match\n>the muscle, and are civil in regular driving conditions, rather than having a\n>harsh, stiff ride....The AWD Turbo is clearly the better choice of the two\n>(because of all that torque steer on the front drive model), but you may have\n>to go with a leftover or \"slightly\" used model for that price range....tough\n>decision...\n>\n>        Rob Fusi\n>        rwf2@lehigh.edu\n>\n>--\n> Car and Driver did a test with the same basic idea and chose the Ford Probe\nGT (5sp of course)\n>\n-- \n","1376":"From: abea@az.stratus.com (Art Beattie)\nSubject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???\nOrganization: Stratus Computers, Inc.\nLines: 63\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cababi.az.stratus.com\n\nIn article <katinka@FenK.wau.nl> (Katinka van der Linden) writes:\n} I would like more info on this if anybody has it. Our Exabyte\n} 8500 tapedrive has never been working from the Quadra 950.\n} We have been trying it since September 1992, replaced cabling,\n} inits, I don't know what all. All the \"industry experts\" we\n} phoned (the tapedrive dealer, our Apple dealer, the software\n} dealer) all say it's our fault, or they don't know. The last\n} thing they said was that we needed a special Quadra SCSI terminator\n} (???). Anybody know more? Thanks,\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.131311.25871@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, nodine@lcs.mit.edu\n(Mark H. Nodine) wrote:\n> \n> In article <C5L39p.2qz@news.udel.edu>, johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:\n> |> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes:\n> |> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your\n> |> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my\n> |> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge\n> |> >drives.  My solution was to get Silverlining.  None of\n> |> >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives;\n> |> >in fact the only loop that worked was the \"Macintosh\n> |> >Software\" loop (whatever that means).\n> |> \n> |> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem.  I had to get\n> |> rid of my \"venerable\" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough \n> |> cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing \n> |> worth more than my whole computer ;).  The tech support guys\n> |> at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers \n> |> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't \n> |> format\/mount\/partition for A\/UX.  \n> \n> All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my\n> Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140.  It was for this reason I assumed\n> the problem had something to do with the Quadra.  Even with the\n> Quadra, they mostly worked OK.  The problem occurred when I ejected\n> a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes\n> saying \"This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware\"\n> even though there was no cartridge in the drive.\n> \n> \t--Mark\n\nI have been using the PLI (SONY) 3.5\" MO drive and now a Sharp color\nscanner using standard SCSI cables and STANDARD $20 terminator on my Q700. \nNo problems.  If you were using a IIfx, that might be another story.\n\nMake sure there is only one terminator in the cabling and it must be at the\nend.  Some boxes have internal terminators; some can be switched out and\nothers are socketted.  These count.  If the box with internal terminations\ncannot be put on the end to terminate the cabling, they have to be\ndisabled, ie, switched out or pulled out of their sockets.  If you have 2\nboxes with internal terminations, the terminations in one box has to be\ndisabled...., etc.  I am sure that this has been covered by the \"experts\".\n\nMy experience with SCSI boxes that connect to the Mac indicates that they\nmust have some software package for the Mac to 'talk' to them.  My PLI MO\ndrive and Sharp scanner has one for each.\n\nGood luck.\n\nArt Beattie\n==============================================================\nI only speak for myself.\n==============================================================\n","1377":"From: cmmiller@iastate.edu (C. M. Miller)\nSubject: Re: LCIII vs. Centris 610?\nArticle-I.D.: news.C51s6w.9nr\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.221603.17245@nctams1.uucp> tomj@pnet16.cts.com (Tom Jenkins) writes:\n>Title says it all.  I'd be particularly interested in the performance\n>difference.  Just how much faster (50%?) is the Centris 610 over the LCIII?\n>\n>--Tom\n>\n>UUCP: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj\n>ARPA: humu!nctams1!pnet16!tomj@nosc.mil\n>INET: tomj@pnet16.cts.com\n\nWhen Apple came with their demos to Iowa State, I got a chance to run\nSpeedometer3.1 on some of the new Macs.  Both machines were running\nSystem7.1, had a 14\" RGB.  Don't know what the caches were set to.\nNeither machine had an FPU  It appears that the Centris610 is quite a\nbit faster than the LC III:\n\n\t\tCentris610\t\tLCIII\n\nCPU\t\t13.01\t\t\t6.92\nGraf\t\t15.67\t\t\t7.69\nDisk\t\t2.22\t\t\t2.44\nMath\t\t25.57\t\t\t10.19\n\nP.R. Rating\t12.91\t\t\t6.58\n\nSo, there is a comparison.  There is definitely a very noticable speed\ndifference between these two machines according to Speedometer3.1.  \n\nChad\n","1378":"From: Iris_-_Smith@cup.portal.com\nSubject: Re: Drawing Lines (inverse\/xor)\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\n  <1993Apr21.111919.5281@alf.uib.no> <DRAND.93Apr21114830@spinner.osf.org>\nLines: 3\n\nYou can also set the Foreground to the XOR of the foreground and background\ncolors:  XSetForeground(..., fg ^ bg);    This works great for me (at least\nwith TrueColor visuals).\n","1379":"From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Totally Unorganized\nLines: 76\n\nIn article <1qnpjuINN8ci@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes:\n>brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:\n>\n>>Their strategy is a business one rather than legal one.  They are\n>>pushing to get a standard in place, a secret standard, and if they\n>>get it as a standard then they will drive competitors out of the market.\n>>It will be legal to sell better, untapable encryption that doesn't have\n>>registered keys, but it will be difficult, and thus not a plan for\n>>most phone companies.\n>\n>If Brad's analysis is correct, it may offer an explanation for why the\n>encryption algorithm is being kept secret.  This will prevent competitors\n>from coming out with Clipper-compatible phones which lack the government-\n>installed \"back door.\"  The strategy Brad describes will only work as long\n>as the only way to get compatible phones is to have ones with the government\n>chips.\n>\n>(It would be nice, from the point of view of personal privacy, if Brad\n>turns out to be right.  As long as people still have the power to provide\n>their own encryption in place of or in addition to the Clipper, privacy\n>is still possible.  But the wording of several passages in the announcement\n>makes me doubt whether this will turn out to be true.)\n\nEven if what Brad says turns out to be accurate, you can bet that the\nAdministration will have made it \"very clear\" to the vendors that \"it\nwould very much be in their best interests\" to institute a \"voluntary\"\npolicy of refusing to sell anything but Clinton Cripple equipped equipment\nto anyone other than \"Authorized government agencies and Law Enforcement\",\nor individuals and corporations who \"have been been determined by the\nAdministration to have a valid need on a case-by-case basis\" for an\neffective system.\n\nNote that this is very much like the language used in many gun control\nbills\/laws the Administration is pushing for, or otherwise supporting.\nThe logic and actual rationale (as opposed to the excuses that get fed\nto the media) is the same in both cases, only the items or technology\nin question are different.\n\nI think this is no accident.  It comes from the same philosophy that\nthe government rules\/controls the people, not the people controlling\nthe government, that the unconnected citizens are not sophisticated enough\nto know what is best for them, so the government must tell the people\nwhat they need or do not need ... \"we know best...\".  And the idea that\nthat a commoner can defend himself against government eavesdropping\nor unlawful attack is totally unacceptable to people with this outlook.\n\n>\n>Hal Finney\n\nCombine this all with pushing for national identity cards with 'smart\nchips' to encode anything they please (internal passport) under the\nguise of streamlining the State People's Health Care System, and with\n(you can be certain) more jewels yet to come, and one sees an extremely\nominous trend.  So what if \"1984\" will be ten years late... it still is\nturning out to be an amazingly accurate prophecy... unless a LOT of\npeople wake up, and in a hurry.\n\nOne should ALWAYS have every red warning light and bell and danger flag\ncome up when the government seeks to set itself apart in regard to\nrights, etc.  from the unconnected\/unprivileged citizen (or should we\nnow be saying 'subject' instead?)...  Why SHOULDN'T the average person\nhave a good, secure system of data security, not dependent on nebulous\n'safeguards' for maintaining that security?  Why SHOULDN'T the average\nperson be able to defend himself from an agency gone rogue?  0I am sure\nthe Feds could break into any data they really wanted to (but it would\ntake some WORK), and using the same logic, one should not be allowed to\nhave a good safe, unless a duplicate of the key(s) or combination are\nsubmitted for 'safekeeping' by the government?  I don't really see a\ndifference, philosophically.  Encrypted data sure won't evaporate, not\nwith such high-tech tools as a TAPE RECORDER...\n\n-- \npat@rwing.uucp      [Without prejudice UCC 1-207]     (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA\n         If all else fails, try:       ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat\nWISDOM: \"Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,\n         and I am not sure about the former.\"              - Albert Einstien\n","1380":"From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom)\nSubject: Re: Win NT - what is it???\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nrmohns@vax.clarku.edu writes:\n\n>Chicogo is what I want to use.  It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue \n>multitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, \n>and does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably \n>be more of a client OS).  there are a few otehr differences, but those are the \n>main ones.  There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August.\n>\tThe Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense \n>competition, so it is said.  However, I think a different relationship will \n>arise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the \n>client machine.  It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, \n>partly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway).  \n>(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't\n>scorn the concept.)\n>\tAnyway, don't expect it soon.  Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be \n>released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out \n>til '96.\nHow does Chicago differ from the (sort of) announced Windows 4. My understand-\ning, at least from the InbfoWorld accound of Windows 4 is that it's sort\nof NT Lite--a full-fledged operating system but lacking server and security\nfeatures that make NT such a bear. Is W4 not true multithreading?\n","1381":"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)\nSubject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die\nOrganization: Office of 'Tude Licensing\nNntp-Posting-Host: binky\nLines: 7\n\nIn article <1qegpf$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:\n> I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on\n> biking in a biking forum,\n\nDon't you mean \"former motorcyclist?\"\n\n- Roid\n","1382":"From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)\nSubject: Re: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living\nOrganization: TRIUMF: Tri-University Meson Facility\nLines: 16\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: erich.triumf.ca\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <1pqhkl$g48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,\n\t ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes...\n>\tWhen I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put\n>the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a\n>LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo.\n ^^^^\n\tHmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least\na crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now.  But\ndo I have to break a leg to use it?\n\n\t(When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches\nto the back of the bike & riding to the lab.  It was my right ankle, but the\nbike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.)\n\nIvan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     \t\t\tivan@cvax.psi.ch\nGSX600F, RG250WD.     \"Beware drainage ditches on firetrails\"\tDoD #484\n","1383":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Armenians serving in the Wehrmacht and the SS.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 63\n\nIn article <735426299@amazon.cs.duke.edu> wiener@duke.cs.duke.edu (Eduard Wiener) writes:\n\n>\t   I can see how little taste you actually have in the\n>\t   cheap shot you took at me when I did nothing more\n>\t   than translate Kozovski's insulting reference\n>\t   to Milan Pavlovic.\n\nC'mon, you still haven't corrected yourself, 'wieneramus'. In April \n1942, Hitler was preparing for the invasion of the Caucasus. A \nnumber of Nazi Armenian leaders began submitting plans to German\nofficials in spring and summer 1942. One of them was Souren Begzadian\nPaikhar, son of a former ambassador of the Armenian Republic in Baku.\nPaikhar wrote a letter to Hitler, asking for German support to his\nArmenian national socialist movement Hossank and suggesting the\ncreation of an Armenian SS formation in order \n\n\"to educate the youth of liberated Armenia according to the \n spirit of the Nazi ideas.\"\n\nHe wanted to unite the Armenians of the already occupied territories\nof the USSR in his movement and with them conquer historic Turkish\nhomeland. Paikhar was confined to serving the Nazis in Goebbels\nPropaganda ministry as a speaker for Armenian- and French-language\nradio broadcastings.[1] The Armenian-language broadcastings were\nproduced by yet another Nazi Armenian Viguen Chanth.[2]\n\n[1] Patrick von zur Muhlen (Muehlen), p. 106.\n[2] Enno Meyer, A. J. Berkian, 'Zwischen Rhein und Arax, 900\n    Jahre Deutsch-Armenische beziehungen,' (Heinz Holzberg\n    Verlag-Oldenburg 1988), pp. 124 and 129.\n\n\nThe establishment of Armenian units in the German army was favored\nby General Dro (the Butcher). He played an important role in the\nestablishment of the Armenian 'legions' without assuming any \nofficial position. His views were represented by his men in the\nrespective organs. An interesting meeting took place between Dro\nand Reichsfuehrer-SS Heinrich Himmler toward the end of 1942.\nDro discussed matters of collaboration with Himmler and after\na long conversation, asked if he could visit POW camp close to\nBerlin. Himmler provided Dro with his private car.[1] \n\nA minor problem was that some of the Soviet nationals were not\n'Aryans' but 'subhumans' according to the official Nazi philosophy.\nAs such, they were subject to German racism. However, Armenians\nwere the least threatened and indeed most privileged. In August \n1933, Armenians had been recognized as Aryans by the Bureau of\nRacial Investigation in the Ministry for Domestic Affairs.\n\n[1] Meyer, Berkian, ibid., pp. 112-113.\n\nNeed I go on?\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","1384":"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nDistribution: usa\n <93103.170753U28037@uic <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>\nLines: 73\n\nIn article <1qie2rINN1b9@cae.cad.gatech.edu>, vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent\nFox) says:\n>\n[stuff deleted. all mine]\n\n>Define \"armed better\". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the\n>Colt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which\n>faster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other\n>guys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson\n>in hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to\n\nAw come on.  It worked great in the 1920's (or the movie version of the '20s\nanyways) :-)\n\n>3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops\n>like to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something\n>often in short supply when the enemy is plentiful).\n>\n>A revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber.\n>\n[stuff deleted about how revolvers are just as good as semi-autos]\n\nAll your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as\nI am not really familiar enough with handguns.\n\n>Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly\n>switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having\n>accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks\n>require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex\n>as the timer on a VCR.\n\nHell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to.  The only thing\nthat I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it.  Sure there is\nthat little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety.\n>\n>Anyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun\n>the police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter\n>and pay attention. I do not seek here to say \"semi-autos are junk\"\n>merely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop\n>with a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than\n>equipped for anything short of a riot.\n>\nActually I don't watch those shows :-)  And you're right (at least partially).\nI don't know much about handguns.  I'm more familiar with rifles.\n\n>Gun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a\n>wonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything.\n>Good controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit.\n>I own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon\n>to something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit\n>what I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously\n>wrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those\n>extra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in\n>criminal encounters is less than 5.\n>\n>What do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple\n>.38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police\n>prefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway.....\n>\n>ObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they\n>        introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking\n>        as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal.\n>\n>--\n>\"If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect.\"\n> -BATF spokesperson on CNN 3\/2\/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.\n\nNo flames here.  All your points are well taken.  Guess I still have a\nlot to learn but thanks to this discussion I already am :-)  Guess I\nassume too many things like more bullets are better and that sort of\nthing.  Of course you know what happens when you assume ......... :-)\n\nJason\n","1385":"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)\nSubject: Re: Uninterruptible Power Supply\nOrganization: your service\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com\n\nI'm no expert at UPS's, but you said something that made it sound like\nyou didn't realize something.  On a typical UPS (well, on ours, anyway),\nthere is NO switchover from AC to DC.  All the protected equipment is\nALWAYS running from the batteries (via an inverter), with the usual \ncondition of also having them on charge.  If the power fails, big deal - \nthe computers never see it (until the batteries start to droop, but \nthere's something like 60 car-sized batteries in that cabinet, so it \ntakes a while).\n\nIf you were gonna run the guts on straight DC instead of an inverter,\nwhy not do it all the time?  Then there'd be no switchover to screw\nthings up, and no having to sense the failure fast.  Just keep the DC\non charge when the power is on, and it'll be there in zero time when\nyou \"need\" it.\n\nJust some ideas.  Can't guarantee what'll work or not, but hope at least\nSOME of this helped.\n","1386":"From: wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright)\nSubject: Re: Name of MD's eyepiece?\nOrganization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: duca.hi.com\n\nIn article <19387@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n>In article <C4IHM2.Gs9@watson.ibm.com> clarke@watson.ibm.com (Ed Clarke) writes:\n>>|> |It's not an eyepiece.  It is called a head mirror.  All doctors never\n>>\n>>A speculum?\n>\n>The speculum is the little cone that fits on the end of the otoscope.\n>There are also vaginal specula that females and gynecologists are\n>all too familiar with.\n\nIn fairness, we should note that if you look up \"speculum\" in the\ndictionary (which I did when this question first surfaced), the first\ndefinition is \"a mirror or polished metal plate used as a reflector in\noptical instruments.\"\n\nWhich doesn't mean the name fits in this context, but it's not as far\noff as you might think.\n\n  -- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc.  Waltham, MA\n     wright@hicomb.hi.com  ::  These are my opinions, not necessarily \n     Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all right-thinking people\n","1387":"From: steel@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Nick Steel)\nSubject: Re: F*CK OFF TSIEL, logic of Mr. Emmanuel Huna\nKeywords: Conspiracy, Nutcase\nOrganization: \/etc\/organization\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu\n\nIn article <4806@bimacs.BITNET> huna@bimacs.BITNET (Emmanuel Huna) writes:\n>\n>        Mr. Steel, from what I've read Tsiel is not a racist, but you\n>are an anti semitic.  And stop shouting, you fanatic,\n\nMr. Emmanuel Huna,\n\nGive logic a break will you.  Gosh, what kind of intelligence do\nyou have, if any?\n\n\nTesiel says :  Be a man not an arab for once.\nI say       :  Fuck of Tsiel (for saying the above).\n\nI get tagged as a racist, and he gets praised?\nWell Mr. logicless, Tsiel has apologized for his racist remark.\nI praise him for that courage, but I tell Take a hike to whoever calls me\na racist without a proof because I am not.\n\nYou have proven to us that your brain has been malfunctioning\nand you are just a moron that's loose on the net.\n\nAbout being fanatic:  I am proud to be a fanatic about my rights and\nfreedom, you idiot.\n","1388":"From: victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca (Victor Laking)\nSubject: Re: Info on NEC 3D Multisync monitor\nOrganization: The Inquiring Mind BBS  1 204 488-1607\nLines: 43\n\nmyers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:\n\n> > I am looking for any info I can get on the NEC 3D monitor.\n> > I know that it is a multisync but that is about all.\n> > I plan on buying one second-hand in a while depending on its specs.\n> > \n> > Does anyone know the min\/max frequencies, whether it is interlaced, \n> > non-interlaced, or both, video compatability, etc?\n> > I have seen a reference to it being .28 pitch with 1024 X 720 resolution \n> > and that it supports SVGA from one source and that it doesn't support \n> > SVGA from another source.  (Neither source seemed to have much reliable \n> > info so I don't want to take a guess.)\n> \n> I'm at home right now, and so am away from my monitor files; the following\n> is off the top of my head, subject to revision, worth-what-ya-pay-for-it\n> sort of info.  If you don't hear from anyone who has spec sheet in hand,\n> e-mail me and I'll look it up.\n> \n> If I'm remembering correctly, the 3D is a 14\" 0.28 mm pitch multisync that\n> covers at least VGA (31.5 kHz horizontal, 60 Hz vertical) to 1024 x 768 \n> 60 Hz (which is going to be about 48 kHz horizontal).  It may go somewhat\n> higher than that on the horizontal, but you won't be happy with anything\n> beyond 1024 x 768 on a 14\" 0.28 tube; you probably won't be too thrilled\n> with the 1024 x 768 on this tube, but it *will* sync up and display it.\n> (I prefer at least a 16\" 0.28 for this resolution.)  Since SVGA is 800x600,\n> it'll do that too.  The horizontal range probably goes lower than 31.5, but\n> I don't know if it goes all the way down to straight NTSC-rate TV (which need\n> about 15.75 kHz sweep).  As far as \"video compatibility\" (if I'm reading\n> the question right: it won't take anything but analog RGB inputs.  In other\n> words, it has no way to decode NTSC or Y\/C video inputs.  You would need\n> some sort of board to to this conversion - like the sorts of things that \n> let you display NTSC on a VGA display.\n> \n> Hopefully, now, I'll see this response of mine, and it'll remind me to\n> look this stuff up and confirm it.  (Or force me to post a hasty retraction!)\n\nOk, I was under the impression that it accepted digital input.\n\nI still don't know for sure if it accepts BOTH interlaced and \nnon-interlaced as I have gotten conflicting info.\n\nvictor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca\nThe Inquiring Mind BBS, Winnipeg, Manitoba  204 488-1607\n","1389":"From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)\nSubject: Eumemics (was: Eugenics)\nArticle-I.D.: cup.79700\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\nLines: 36\n\n> Probably within 50 years, a new type of eugenics will be possible.\n> Maybe even sooner.  We are now mapping the human genome.  We will\n> then start to work on manipulation of that genome.  Using genetic\n> engineering, we will be able to insert whatever genes we want.\n> No breeding, no \"hybrids\", etc.  The ethical question is, should\n> we do this?  Should we make a race of disease-free, long-lived,\n> Arnold Schwartzenegger-muscled, supermen?  Even if we can.\n\nProbably within 50 years, it will be possible to disassemble and\nre-assemble our bodies at the molecular level.  Not only will flawless\ncosmetic surgery be possible, but flawless cosmetic PSYCHOSURGERY.\n\nWhat will it be like to store all the prices of shelf-priced bar-coded\ngoods in your head, and catch all the errors they make in the store's\nfavor at SAFEWAY?  What will it be like to mentally edit and spell-\ncheck your responses to the questions posed by a phone caller selling\nVACATION TIME-SHARE OPTIONS?\n\nIndeed, we are today a nation at risk!  The threat is not from bad genes,\nbut bad memes!  Memes are the basic units of culture, as opposed to genes\nwhich are the units of genetics.\n\nWe stand on the brink of new meme-amplification technologies!  Harmful\nmemes which formerly were restricted in their destructive power will\nrun rampant over the countryside, laying waste to the real benefits that\nfuture technology has to offer.\n\nFor example, Jeremy Rifkin has been busy trying to whip up emotions\nagainst the new genetically engineered tomatoes under development at\nCALGENE.  This guy is inventing harmful memes, a virtual memetic Typhoid\nMary.\n\nWe must expand the public-health laws to include quarantine of people\nwith harmful memes.  They should not be allowed to infect other people\nwith their memes against genetically-engineered food, electromagnetic\nfields, and the Space Shuttle solid rocket boosters.\n","1390":"From: tom@CapMgtSci.COM (Thomas Tulinsky)\nSubject: MANUAL unsubscribe REQUEST\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\nI am on the list under two addresses, I think:\n\ttom@capmgtsci.com\nand\n\tzuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com\n\nPlease delete the second one, \n\tzuma!tom@netcomsv.netcom.com\n\nThanks. Sorry for the screw up.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom Tulinsky\t\tCapital Management Sciences\t    West Los Angeles\ntom@CapMgtSci.com\t        310 479 9715\n","1391":"From: earlw@apple.com (Earl Wallace)\nSubject: Re: \"Proper gun control?\" What is proper gun control?\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Apple Computer Inc. ESD\/OSBU\/Cross-Platform Software\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: apple.com\n\nIn article <C5JAtz.5G4@cbnewsc.cb.att.com> rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Morris the Cat) writes:\n>...\n>Let's prohibit arms carrying by police when off-duty. Or, if they make\n>the assertion that \"Well, I need to maintain my gun\" let's make it\n>regulation that they can carry an UNLOADED firearm home, that it's\n>only fair that they be just as helpless as poor schmuck coming home\n>from his computer operator job...\n>\n>NRA Director\/ex-San Jose cop Leroy Pyle states in the latest SWAT\n>magazine that anti-cops better watch out for this schism between\n>RKBA folks and the police. He asks the rhetorical question of 'What\n>if what's left of the gun lobby starts demanding the disarmament\n>of the police?\"\n>\n>Well, I guess anti-gun cops who think only they should be armed,\n>along with the wealthy and politically connected, should be made\n>to realize that screwing can cut in ways they have yet to imagine.\n>...\n\nWe all know this will never happen.  Because the Police are under the wings\nof Government, they will always be considered more important than Citizens.\n\nGovernment pens, pencils and paper are considered more important than\nCitizens.\n\nI think we have a problem with our Government.\n","1392":"From: felixg@coop.com (Felix Gallo)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Cooperative Computing, Inc.\nDistribution: na\nLines: 31\n\npat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:\n\n>If the Clinton Clipper is so very good, [...]\n\nPlease note that Bill Clinton probably has little if anything to do\nwith the design, implementation or reasoning behind this chip or behind\nany \"moves\" being made using this chip as a pawn.\n\nRemember, when you elect a president of the united states, it's not\nthe case that all the Republicans, etc. in the NSA and FBI and CIA\nimmediately pack their bags and get replaced by a team of fresh young\nDemocrats.  Most of the government -- say, 96% -- is appointed or\nhired rather than elected.  Since this Clipper device has been in\nproduction for over six months, it probably has little or no \nfoundation in the currently elected Democratic Executive body.\n\n>BTW - those who suggest that this is just an attack on Clinton, believe\n>this:  I would be going ballistic reagardless WHO seriously proposed\n>this thing.  It is just another step in a gradual erosion of our rights\n>under the Constitution or Bill of Rights.  The last couple of decades\n>have been a non-stop series of end-runs around the protections of the\n>Constitution.  It has to stop.  Now is as good a time as any, if it\n>isn't too late allready.\n\nCould be.  However, the sky hasn't fallen yet, Chicken Little.\n\n>-- \n>pat@rwing.uucp      [Without prejudice UCC 1-207]     (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA\n>         If all else fails, try:       ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat\n>WISDOM: \"Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,\n>         and I am not sure about the former.\"              - Albert Einstien\n","1393":"From: rdippold@qualcomm.com (Ron \"Asbestos\" Dippold)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOriginator: rdippold@qualcom.qualcomm.com\nNntp-Posting-Host: qualcom.qualcomm.com\nOrganization: Qualcomm, Inc., San Diego, CA\nDistribution: na\nLines: 29\n\n\ngeoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes:\n>Bullshit.  The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were\n>responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the\n>new presidency as a fait accompli.  That doesn't excuse Clinton and\n>Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay\n>the body at the proper door to start with.\n\nThe final stages of denial... I can hardly imagine what the result\nwould have been if the Clinton administration had actually supported\nthis plan, instead of merely acquiescing with repugnance as they've so\nobviously doing.  I don't believe the chip originated with the Clinton\nadministration either, but the Clinton administration has embraced it\nand brought it to fruition.\n\nBoth of the major parties have what they consider excellent reasons\nfor limiting your freedoms and violating your privacy, and even seem\nto feel that they're doing you a favor.  If this is really surprising\nto anyone it means they've been willfully ignoring quite a bit of\nprevious evidence.  There's only one political party (not calling\nanarchists a party) that considers your freedom and privacy goals\nworthy in and of themselves.  If you're voting for the big two, you're\nsupporting a reduction of those rights (given their goals and their\nhistories), regardless of whether you personally support that\nreduction.  To paint Clinton and Gore as unwitting tools is really\nstretching things.\n\n-- \nWhen you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite. -- Churchill\n","1394":"From: lindae@netcom.com\nSubject: Re: MORBUS MENIERE - is there a real remedy?\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 87\n\nIn article <19392@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n>In article <lindaeC4JGLK.FxM@netcom.com> lindae@netcom.com writes:\n>\n>>\n>>My biggest resentment is the doctor who makes it seem like most\n>>people with dizziness can be cured.  That's definitely not the\n>>case.  In most cases, like I said above, it is a long, tedious\n>>process that may or may not end up in a partial cure.  \n>>\n>\n>Be sure to say \"chronic\" dizziness, not just dizziness.  Most\n>patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better.\n>The vertiginous spells of Meniere's will also eventually go\n>away, however, the patient is left with a deaf ear.\n\nAll true.  And all good points.\n\n>\n>>To anyone suffering with vertigo, dizziness, or any variation\n>>thereof, my best advice to you (as a fellow-sufferer) is this...\n>>just keep searching...don't let the doctors tell you there's\n>>nothing that can be done...do your own research...and let your\n>\n>This may have helped you, but I'm not sure it is good general\n>advice.  The odds that you are going to find some miracle with\n>your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge\n>for this or any other disease are slim.  When good answers to these\n\n>then, spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical\n>problem may divert that energy from more productive things\n>in life.  A limited amount should be spent to assure yourself\n>that your doctor gave you the correct story, but after it becomes\n>clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine\n>has no good solution, perhaps the best strategy is to join\n>the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to\n>make a career out of it.\n\nWell, making a career out of it is a bit strong.  I still believe\nthat doing your own research is very, very necessary.  I would\nnot have progressed as much as I have today, unless I had spent\nthe many hours in Stanford's Med Library as I have done.\nAnd 5 years ago, it was clear that there was no medicine that \nwould help me.  So should I have stopped searching.  Thank\ngoodness I didn't.  Now I found that there is indeed medicine\nthat helps me.  \n\nI think that what you've said is kind of idealistic.  That you\nwould go to one doctor, get a diagnosis, maybe get a second\nopinion, and then move on with your life.\nJust as an example... having seen 6 of the top specialists in \nthis field in the country, I have received 6 different diagnoses.\nThese are the top names, the ones that people come to from all over\nthe country.  I have HAD to sort all of this out myself.  Going\nto a support group (and in fact, HEADING that support group) was \nhelpful for a while, but after a point, I found it very\nunproductive.  It was much more productive to do library research,\nmake phone calls and put together the pieces of the puzzle myself.\n\nA recent movie, Lorenzo's Oil, offers a perfect example of what\nI'm talking about.  If you haven't seen it, you should.  It's not\na put down of doctor's and neither is what I'm saying.  Doctors are\nonly human and can only do so much.  But there are those of us\nout here who are intelligent and able to sometimes find a missing\npiece of the puzzle that might have otherwise gone unnoticed.\n\nI guess I'm biased because dizziness is one of those weird things\nthat is still so unknown.  If I had a broken arm, or a weak heart,\nor failing kidneys, I might not have the same opinion.  That's because \nthose things are much more tangible and have much more concise \ndefinitions and treatments.  With dizziness, you just have to\ndecide to live with it or decide to live with it while trying to\nfind your way out of it.\n\n\nI have chosen the latter.\n\n\nLinda\nlindae@netcom.netcom.com\n\n\n>\n>-- \n>----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Gordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\n>geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n>----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1395":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: The Armenian architect of the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.160145.22909@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@germain.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:\n\n>My personal problem with Romanian culture is that I am\n>not aware of one. There is an anecdote about Armenians\n\nTroglodytism does not necessarily imply a low cultural level.\nThe image-conscious Armenians sorely feel a missing glory in \ntheir background. Armenians have never achieved statehood and \nindependence, they have always been subservient, and engaged \nin undermining schemes against their rulers. They committed \ngenocide against the Muslim populations of Eastern Anatolia \nand Armenian Dictatorship before and during World War I and \nfully participated in the extermination of the European Jewry \nduring World War II. Belligerence, genocide, back-stabbing, \nrebelliousness and disloyalty have been the hallmarks of the \nArmenian history. To obliterate these episodes the Armenians \nengaged in tailoring history to suit their whims. In this zeal \nthey tried to cover up the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million \nTurks and Kurds before and during World War I.\n\nAnd, you don't pull nations out of a hat.\n\n\nSource: Walker, Christopher: \"Armenia: The Survival of a Nation.\"\n        New York (St. Martin's Press), 1980.\n\nThis generally pro-Armenian work contains the following information\nof direct relevance to the Nazi Holocaust: \n\na) Dro (the butcher), the former Dictator of the Armenian Dictatorship and\nthe architect of the Genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, the most \nrespected of Nazi Armenian leaders, established an Armenian Provisional \nRepublic in Berlin during World War II; \n\nb) this 'provisional government' fully endorsed and espoused the social \ntheories of the Nazis, declared themselves and all Armenians to be members \nof the Aryan 'Super-Race;' \n\nc) they published an Anti-Semitic, racist journal, thereby aligning themselves \nwith the Nazis and their efforts to exterminate the Jews; and, \n\nd) they mobilized an Armenian Army of up to 20,000 members which fought side \nby side with the Wehrmacht.\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","1396":"From: ho@cs.arizona.edu (Hilarie Orman)\nSubject: Re: Licensing of public key implementations\nOrganization: U of Arizona, CS Dept, Tucson\nLines: 6\n\nWith regard to your speculations on NSA involvement in the creation of\nPKP, I find that it fails the test of Occam's butcher knife.  Never\nattribute to conspiracy what can be explained by forthright greed.\n\n\nHilarie Orman\n","1397":"From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nLines: 81\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n>In article <1993Apr14.120958.11363@synapse.bms.com>, hambidge@bms.com writes:\n>> \n>> The Second Amendment is about sovereignty, not sporting goods.\n>\n>\tPerfectly correct, but it won't make any difference.\n\nHmm.  I beg to differ.  It will probably make a big difference at some\npoint.\n\n>\n>> Self defense is a valid reason for RKBA.\n>\n>\tThe vast majority get through life without ever having to\n>\town, use or display a firearm. Besides, there are other\n>\tmeans of self-protection which can be just as effective\n>\tas firearms. \n\nThankfully, it is true that the majority go through life without\nhaving to use a firearm.  Howver, there are situations where firearms\nare the most effective means of self protection.  What other means do\nyou propose as equally effective?\n\n\n>\n>> Freedoms and rights are not dependent on public opinion, necessity, or\n>> scientific scrutiny.\n>\n>\tNew to this planet ? EVERYTHING is dependent on either public\n>\tor political opinion, usually political. To imagine that\n>\tinalienable 'rights' are somehow wired into the vast cold\n>\tcosmos is purest egotism and a dangerous delusion.\n\nNew to this country? New to political theory?\nAlas, I was speaking of principle.  Without principle, all attempts at\nrepublican forms of gov't are futile.  There are times when public and\npolitical opinion are contrary to principle, which is why we have a\nConstitution which enumerates gov't powers and presumes certain\nrights.  A major reason for this was to prevent a tyranny of the\nmajority.\n\n>\n>> No arguments against RKBA can withstand scientific scrutiny.\n>\n>\tThey don't have to. Like so many other things, the issue\n>\tis one of -perception- rather than boring statistics.\n>\tEvery time some young innocent is gunned-down in a drive\n>\tby, every time some kid is murdered for a jacket, every\n>\ttime a store clerk is executed for three dollars in change,\n>\tevery time some moron kills his wife because she took the\n>\tlast beer from the fridge, every time someone hears a 'bang'\n>\tin the night .... the RKBA dies. The stats are not all *that*\n>\tclearly behind firearms - the protection factor does not\n>\tstrongly outweigh the mindless mayhem factor. Given society\n>\tas we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of\n>\tas many guns as possible. That may be an error, but enough\n>\tactive voters believe in that course. \n\nThis is exactly why law should be based on reasoned thought, not\nimmediate perception.  Of course, it doesn't always work that way.\nFortunately, while there are no guarantees, logic sometimes does\nprevail.  And, if not, there are still means for correction.  \nAs far as \"enough active voters\" are concerned, that is still\nan open question until the vote is made.\n\n>\n>> How do you intend to 'silence' RKBA supporters?\n>\n>\tTalk all you want. Talk about the \"good old days\" when\n>\tyou used to own firearms. After a while, such talk will\n>\ttake on the character of war stories ... and no one will\n>\tbe very interested anymore.\n\nYou portray a possible scenario for the future.  But, how will you\nsilence RKBA supporters right now?  As long as public debate is\nallowed, such debate will continue. If we allow public debate to be\nrestricted or denied, then we will get a gov't we deserve.\n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n","1398":"From: yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo)\nSubject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: king-arthur.watson.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <19688@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n>\n>In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel) writes:\n>\n>>Now, I'm not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it's very\n>>hard to culture Bb in most cases.  The point is that Dr. N has developed a\n>>\"feel\" for what is and what isn't LD.  This comes from years of experience.\n>>No serology can match that.  Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a \"quack\"\n>>and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck.\n>>\n>Why do you think he would be called a quack?  The quacks don't do cultures.\n>They poo-poo doing more lab tests:  \"this is Lyme, believe me, I've\n>seen it many times.  The lab tests aren't accurate.  We'll treat it\n>now.\"  Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating\n>Lyme patients?  I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this\n>pattern.  They are usually GPs.\n>-- \n \nAre you arguing that the Lyme lab test is accurate?\nThe books that I've read say that in general the tests\nhave a 50-50 chance of being correct.  (The tests\nresult in a large number of both false positives and\nfalse negatives.  I am in the latter case.)\n\nWe could get those same odds by \"rolling the dice\".\n\n-- \n Ralph Yozzo (yozzo@watson.ibm.com)  \n From the beautiful and historic New York State Mid-Hudson Valley.\n","1399":"From: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu\nSubject: Blow up space station, easy way to do it.\nArticle-I.D.: aurora.1993Apr5.184527.1\nOrganization: University of Alaska Fairbanks\nLines: 28\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\n\nThis might a real wierd idea or maybe not..\n\nI have seen where people have blown up ballons then sprayed material into them\nthat then drys and makes hard walls...\n\nWhy not do the same thing for a space station..\n\nFly up the docking rings and baloon materials and such, blow up the baloons,\nspin then around (I know a problem in micro gravity) let them dry\/cure\/harden?\nand cut a hole for the docking\/attaching ring and bingo a space station..\n\nOf course the ballons would have to be foil covered or someother radiation\nprotective covering\/heat shield(?) and the material used to make the wals would\nhave to meet the out gasing and other specs or atleast the paint\/covering of\nthe inner wall would have to be human safe.. Maybe a special congrete or maybe\nthe same material as makes caplets but with some changes (saw where someone\ninstea dof water put beer in the caplet mixture, got a mix that was just as\nstrong as congret but easier to carry around and such..)\n\nSorry for any spelling errors, I missed school today.. (grin)..\n\nWhy musta  space station be so difficult?? why must we have girders? why be\nconfined to earth based ideas, lets think new ideas, after all space is not\nearth, why be limited by earth based ideas??\n\n==\nMichael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked\ngoing crazy in Nome Alaska, break up is here..\n","1400":"From: banschbach@vms.ocom.okstate.edu\nSubject: How To Prevent Kidney Stone Formation\nLines: 154\nNntp-Posting-Host: vms.ocom.okstate.edu\nOrganization: OSU College of Osteopathic Medicine\n\nI got asked in Sci. Med. Nutrition about vitamin C and oxalate production(\ntoxic, kidney stone formation?).  I decided to post my answer here as well \nbecause of the recent question about kidney stones.  Not long after I got \ninto Sci. Med. I got flamed by a medical fellow for stating that magnesium \nwould prevent kidney stone formation.  I'm going to state it again here.\nBut the best way to prevent kidney stones from forming is to take B6 \nsupplements.  Read on to find out why(I have my asbestos suit on now guys).\n\nVitamin C will form oxalic acid.  But large doses are needed (above 6 grams \nper day).\n\n\t1. Review Article \"Nutritional factors in calcium containing kidney \n\t   stones with particular emphasis on Vitamin C\" Int. Clin. Nutr. Rev.\n\t   5(3):110-129(1985).\n\nBut glycine also forms oxalic acid(D-amino acid oxidases).  For both \nglycine and vitamin C, one of the best ways to drastically reduce this \nproduction is not to cut back on dietary intake of vitamin C or glycine, \nbut to increase your intake of vitamin B6.\n\n\t2. \"Control of hyperoxaluria with large doses of pyridoxine in \n\t    patients with kidney stones\" Int. Urol. Nephrol. 20(4):353-59(1988)\n\t    200 to 500 mg of B6 each day significasntly decreased the urinary \n\t    excretion of oxalate over the 18 month treatment program.\n\n\t3. The action of pyridoxine in primary hyperoxaluria\" Clin. Sci. 38\n\t   :277-86(1970).  Patients receiving at least 150mg B6 each day \n\t   showed a significant reduction in urinary oxalate levels.\n\nFor gylcine, this effect is due to increased transaminase activity(B6 is \nrequired for transaminase activity) which makes less glycine available for \noxidative deamination(D-amino acid oxidases).  For vitamin C, the effect is \nquite different.  There are different pathways for vitamin C catabolism.  \nThe pathway that leads to oxalic acid formation will usually have 17 to 40% \nof the ingested dose going into oxalic acid.  But this is highly variable \nand the vitamin C review article pointed out that unless the dose gets upto \n6 grams per day, not too much vitamin C gets catabolized to form oxalic \nacid.  At very high doses of vitamin C(above 10 grams per day), more of the \nextra vitamin C (more than 40% conversion) can end up as oxalic acid.  In a \nvery early study on vitamin C and oxalic production(Proc. Soc. Exp. Biol. \nMed. 85:190-92(1954), intakes of 2 grams per day up to 9 grams per day \nincreased the average oxalic acid excretion from 38mg per day up to 178mg \nper day.  Until 8 grams per day was reached, the average excreted was \nincreased by only 3 to 12mg per day(2 gram dose, 4 gram dose, 8 gram dose \nand 9gram dose). 8 grams jumped it to 45mg over the average excretion \nbefore supplementation and 9 grams jumped it to 150 mg over the average \nbefore supplementation.\n\nB6 is required by more enzymes than any other vitamin in the body.  There \nare probably some enzymes that require vitamin B6 that we don't know about \nyet.  Vitamin C catabolism is still not completely understood but the \nspeculation is that this other pathway that does not form oxalic acid must \nhave an enzyme in it that requires B6.  Differences in B6 levels could then \nexplain the very variable production of oxalic acid from a vitamin C \nchallenge(this is not the preferred route of catabolism).  Increasing your \nintake of B6 would then result in less oxalic acid being formmed if you \ntake vitamin C supplements.  Since the typical American diet is deficient \nin B6, some researchers believe that the main cause of calcium-oxalate \nkidney stones is B6 deficiency(especially since so little oxalic acid gets \nabsorbed from the gut).  Diets providing 0 to 130mg of oxalic acid per day \nshowed absolutely no change in urinary excretion of oxalate(Urol Int.35:309\n-15,1980).  If 400mg was present each day, there was a significant increase \nin urinary oxalate excretion.\n\n\tHere are the high oxalate foods:\n\n\t1. Beans, coca, instant coffee, parsley, rhubarb, spinach and tea.\n\t   Contain at least 25mg\/100grams\n\n\t2. Beet tops, carrots, celery, chocolate, cumber, grapefruit, kale, \n\t   peanuts, pepper, sweet potatoe.\n\t   Contain 10 to 25 mg\/100grams.\n\nIf the threshold is 130mg per day, you can see that you really have a lot \nof latitude in food selection.  A recent N.Eng.J. Med. article also points \nout that one good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to increase your \nintake of calcium which will prevent most of the dietary oxalate from being \nabsorbed at all.  If you also increase your intake of B6, you shouldn't \nhave to worry about kidney stones at all. The RDA for B6 is 2mg per day for \nmales and 1.6mg per day for females(directly related to protein intake).\nB6 can be toxic(nerve damage) if it is consumed in doses of 500mg or more \nper day for an extended peroid(weeks to months).  \n\nThe USDA food survey done in 1986 had an average intake of 1.87 mg per day \nfor males and 1.16mg per day for females living in the U.S.  Coupled with \nthis low intake was a high protein diet(which greatly increases the B6 \nrequirement), as well as the presence of some of the 40 different drugs that \neither block B6 absorption, are metabolic antagonists of B6, or promote B6 \nexcretion in the urine.  Common ones are: birth control pills, alcohol,\nisoniazid, penicillamine, and corticosteroids.  I tell my students to \nsupplement all their patients that are going to get any of the drugs that \nincrease the B6 requirement.  The dose recommended for patients taking \nbirth control pills is 10-15mg per day and this should work for most of the \nother drugs that increase the B6 requirement(this would be on top of your \ndietary intake of B6).  Any patient that has a history of kidney stone \nformation should be given B6 supplements.\n\nOne other good way to prevent kidney stone formation is to make sure your \nCa\/Mg dietary ratio is 2\/1.  Magnesium-oxalate is much more soluble than is \ncalcium-oxalate.\n\n\t4. \"The magnesium:calcium ratio in the concentrated urines of \npatients with calcium oxalate calculi\"Invest. Urol 10:147(1972)\n\n\t5. \"Effect of magnesium citrate and magnesium oxide on the \ncrystallization of calcium in urine: changes producted by food-magnesium \ninteraction\"J. Urol. 143(2):248-51(1990).\n\n\t6.Review Article, \"Magnesium in the physiopathology and treatment \nof renal calcium stones\" J. Presse Med. 161(1):25-27(1987).\n\nThere are actually about three times as many articles published in the \nmedical literature on the role of magnesium in preventing kidney stone \nformation than there are for B6.  I thought that I was being pretty safe in \nstating that magnesium would prevent kidney stone formation in an earlier \npost in this news group but good old John A. in Mass. jumped all over me. I \nguess that he doesn't read the medical literature.  Oh well, since kidney \nstones can be a real pain and a lot of people suffer from them, I thought \nI'd tell you how you can avoid the pain and stay out of the doctor's office.\n\nMartin Banschbach, Ph.D.\nProfessor of Biochemistry and Chairman\nDepartment of Biochemistry and Microbiology\nOSU College of Osteopathic Medicine\n1111 W. 17th Street\nTulsa, Ok. 74107\n\n\"Without discourse, there is no remembering, without remembering, there is \nno learning, without learning, there is only ignorance\".  From a wise man \nwho lived in China, many, many years ago.  I think that it still has \nmeaning in today's world.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","1401":"From: tgardner@athena.mit.edu (Timothy J Gardner)\nSubject: Re: another Taurus SHO question\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: m2-225-2.mit.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.064702.26925@reed.edu> rseymour@reed.edu writes:\n\n>The Taurus SHO (for those who can get it straight, it is S-H-O as in Super \n>High Output, not SHO as in show) has a Yamaha 3.0L DOHC (24 valves) SHO V-6. \n\nHaving spoken to technical staff from Ford many times, I can assure you that \ninternally at Ford this car is always called the Taurus \"Show\" or just  \n\"the Show\".  As in long \"o\" sound.  I still refer to it as the \"S-H-O\",\nhowever, because it sounds better to me. I assume many purist fans and owners \nprefer using the Ford lingo.  \n\nTim Gardner\n\n","1402":"From: pgf@srl03.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering)\nSubject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?\nOrganization: Univ. of Southwestern Louisiana\nLines: 28\n\nmsb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes:\n\n\n>Thanks again.  One final question.  The name Gehrels wasn't known to\n>me before this thread came up, but the May issue of Scientific American\n>has an article about the \"Inconstant Cosmos\", with a photo of Neil\n>Gehrels, project scientist for NASA's Compton Gamma Ray Observatory.\n>Same person?\n\nNo. I estimate a 99 % probability the Gehrels referred to\nis Thomas Gehrels of the Spacewatch project, Kitt Peak observatory.\n\nMaybe in the 24th century they could do gamma ray spectroscopy on\ndistant asteroids with an orbiting observatory, but here in the\nprimitive 20th we have to send a probe there to get gamma ray\nspectroscopy done.\n\n>Mark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto\t\"Information! ... We want information!\"\n>utzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com\t\t\t\t-- The Prisoner\n\nYou have the info on Mayan Television yet?\n\n>This article is in the public domain.\n--\nPhil Fraering         |\"Seems like every day we find out all sorts of stuff.\npgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu|Like how the ancient Mayans had televison.\" Repo Man\n\n\n","1403":"From: clintp@world.std.com (Clinton a Pierce)\nSubject: Need help setting PIF for games\nSummary: Can't seem to get the settings right for a few things\nKeywords: WINDOWS PIF\nOrganization: VERSYSS Incorporated, Westwood MA\nLines: 29\n\nHI there!  I have a few games that I'd like to run under Windows 3.1 and can't\nget the PIFS adjusted right.   For example Wing Commander.  In my DOS Prompt, I\nhave more than 620K available for programs.  This is enough to run WC.\nSo I build a PIF giving WC a couple of megs of extended memory etc.. and run \nit.  WC prompts: \"Loading Wing Commander...\" and then a message about \n\"Using extended memory...\" etc... and then my screen goes black (just before\nthe opening scene-the orchestra-would have appeared.)\n\nI also have a pool game that does almost the same thing.  It opens up and\nprompts me for what kind of video driver I have.  (CGA, EGA, etc...)  I\nrespond EGA and the screen goes black.   \n\nOn both of these a ctrl-alt-del getss me back to Windows.  \n\nHas ANYONE run Wing Commander under Windows?  Or has had the problems I\ndescribe and fixed them?   HEre's the rest of my setup:\n\n\t400MB Disk Free\n          8MB memory   ~5 free during WIN session\n        386DX-25\n       \nRespond here or on E-Mail.   If anyone else needs this info, send me mail in\na couple of days, and I'll forward the replies to you.\n\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n Clinton A. Pierce   | Cartesian Bear = Polar Bear after coordinate transform\nclintp@world.std.com |\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1404":"From: wjhovi01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu\nSubject: Re: tuff to be a Christian?\nOrganization: University of Louisville\nLines: 24\n\nSomeone writing anonymously asks:\n\n> Would you have become a Christian if you had not\n> been indoctrinated by your parents? You probably never learned about\n> any other religion to make a comparative study. And therefore I claim\n> you are brain washed.\n\nI *did* become a Christian without having been indoctrinated by my parents, and\nhaving studied Buddhism fairly carefully and other religions to a lesser\ndegree.  I made a decision to accept the truth-claims of Christianity after\nhaving given it a lot of thought.  (I have to point out that the process was not\npurely a cold, rational one: there was a powerful experiential element as well.\nAlso, my Calvinist should rest assured that I don't lay any of the\nresponsibility for the outcome [my conversion] on anyone but God.)\n\nIt took me years and years for this all to happen, because I had many of the\nobjections that this poster puts forward.  I grew up in the shadow of [generic\nauthoritarian conservative denomination], and I *knew* that that wasn't a way\nof life that I could adopt.  But I gradually learned not to tar all of\nChristianity with the same brush, and realized quite suddenly one cold winter\nnight that I accepted what I had heretofore rejected.  I am quite certain that\nI was not \"brain-washed\".\n\nbill hovingh\n","1405":"From: grp@Unify.com (Greg Pasquariello)\nSubject: Re: Anyone have experience with Visix' Galaxy?\nOrganization: Unify Corporation (Sacramento)\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C56M19.17r@world.std.com>, grier@world.std.com (The Political Crony) writes:\n> \n> The title line says it. The Galaxy package was just recently announced, and\n> includes a GUI-builder and portable toolkit. I'm interested in any\n> feedback from those who may have used it thus far.\n\nWe've been using it for a year on Unix (Sun and HP) and Windows platforms.  In my\nopinion, it is the best toolkit on the market.  It supports a rich API to a high\nlevel IPC mechanism, file system abstraction, memory management, command driven\napplication development, drawing, geometry management, and, oh yeah, Open Look,\nMotif, MS-Windows and Mac (at the flip of a switch).\n\n> \n> Thanks\n> Jim Grier\n> grier@world.std.com\n> \n\n-- \n\n--\nGreg Pasquariello   \tgrp@unify.com \t        Hobnobbing with the ancients\nUnify Corporation\t   or\t\t       \n(916) 928-6258\t    ...!uunet!unify!grp\n","1406":"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)\nSubject: Temper tantrums from the 1960's\nOrganization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.193616.14521@cbnewsi.cb.att.com> gadfly@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (Gadfly) writes:\n    >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about\n    >how people need to take personal responsibility for their\n    >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals\n    >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's\n    >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor\n    >people are just too dumb to think for themselves?\n    >\n    >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family\n    >and support systems in general among this nation's poor.\n    >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at\n    >the top of any sane person's list.\n    >\n    >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural\n    >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called\n    >\"relevant\" or \"values\" education. Hey, it seemed like a good\n    >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real\n    >education first--I mean, we took that for granted.\n\nThe 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible.\n\nThe Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their\nkids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of\nbrats.\n\nConsider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969.\n\nApollo 11 and Woodstock.\n\nWhich group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and\nreverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.).\n\nAnd which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage,\nno deaths, no large numbers of drug problems ....\n\n-- \nThere are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of\nenvironmental disaster. Weird, eh?\n\nThese opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)\n","1407":"From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson)\nSubject: Re: What is Zero dB????\nNntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 33\n\nmarrevola@rediris.es wrote:\n: In article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>, moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes:\n: > Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:\n: > \n: > : And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company\n: > : and the Amphenol company.  Both companies revolutionized electronics by\n: > : simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets \n: > : were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.\n: > \n: > Sorry.  The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man\n: > named AMPERE who studied electrical current.  The term AMP is just an abbreviation\n: > of it.  The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.\n: >   \n: > : The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus\n: > : our use of the Ohms...\n: > \n: > I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right.\n: Are you (two) joking?\n: Is the entire Internet flaming you (two)?\n: Ahh!, now I remember that Ohmite company was the first introducing \"the pink\n: colored resistor\", only for electronics working females ;-)\n: -- \n: Manuel Arrevola Velasco   ||||| True e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||||\n: DoD #1033\n: \nYes, I have taken a bit of flame on this one.  I must've been half asleep when\nI posted a response to Joseph.\n\nGreggo.\n-----\nGreg Moffatt  moffatt@bnr.ca\nBell-Northern Research Inc., Ottawa Canada\n\"My opinions; not BNR's\"\n","1408":"From: eifrig@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig)\nSubject: Re: Pgp, PEM, and RFC's (Was: Cryptography Patents)\nOrganization: The Johns Hopkins University CS Department\nLines: 70\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.001321.3692@natasha.portal.com> bob@natasha.portal.com\n(Bob Cain) writes:\n\n>  Check your facts first and grow up.\n>Why is there such a strong correlation between interest in cryptography\n>and immaturity I wonder.\n\n\tHmmm.  \"Check your facts.\"  Good advice.  Let's check Mr. Cain's\nfacts a bit, shall we?\n\n>Charles Kincy (ckincy@cs.umr.edu) wrote:\n\n>: Some limitation.  Let me guess:  don't use the code in any way PKP or\n>: RSA doesn't like....such as...providing secure communications for the\n>: average citizen.\n>\n>That was exactly its purpose if you know anything about it.  There is\n>nothing at all preventing the average citizen using it, only selling\n>it.\n\nFACT:  It is unlawful to distribute code implementing RSA without a license\nto do so from PKP, whether or not one is charging for it.  Furthermore,\nany use of RSA, other than for research purposes allowed under US patent\nlaw, is similarly unlawful.  Therefore, the \"average citizen\" cannot use\nRSA to encrypt message traffic in the US without a license from PKP.\n\nThere is no licensed, freely available product in the US that uses RSA\nencryption other than RSAREF (and hence RIPEM), at least as far as I am\naware.  If you know of another, please post it here.\n\n>: All I have to say is...yeah, right.  If you're willing to pay them\n>: mucho big bucks and\/or use the routines *they* tell you to do.  \n>: Doesn't sound very reasonable to me.\n>\n>All I have to say is this is full of shit.  I have negotiated a license\n>and the bucks are incredibly reasonable with an upfront charge on a\n>sliding scale depending on your capitalization.  If you are a startup\n>and can't afford it you can't afford to start up in the first place.\n>Why do people insist on making unequivocal statements about that which\n>they know nothing.\n\nFACT:  The last contact I had with RSA Data Security, Inc was with some\nguy trying to sell me a license (unsolicited, I might add) for TIPEM.\nCost: $15K plus 2-5 percent royalties.\n\nI suppose it is a matter of opinion as to whether or not these terms count\nas \"mucho bucks\" or \"incredibly reasonable.\"  Either way, however, this\ndefinitely falls into the \"routines *they* tell you to (use)\".\n\n>: But I don't guess PKP and RSA are interested in big bucks.  Maybe\n>: they have some other agenda?  Secure communications only for \n>: government agents, perhaps?\n>\n>Have you considered treatment for paranoia?  The government is the\n>single biggest thorn in RSA's side.\n\nFACT:  There are no restrictions (yet!) on the use of cryptography under\nUS law, although this is beginning to look like it will change.  The only\nimpediments to widespread use of RSA cryptography in the US are PKP's\npatents.\n\n\tMr. Cain, please shut up until you get your facts straight.\n\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n\t\"Better than the whole world be destroyed and crumble to dust than\na free man deny one of his desires.\"\n\t\t-Benito Mussolini, Italian anarchist and poet.\n\nJack Eifrig (eifrig@cs.jhu.edu)       The Johns Hopkins University, C.S. Dept.\n=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n","1409":"From: bigjoe@netcom.com (g perry)\nSubject: 1956 Elvis autograph\n A friend requested that I post the following:\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nDistribution: World \nLines: 9\n\n\"\tFor sale: 1956 Elvis Prestly autograph. Autogaph is one of two, the\nothere being Elvis's friend Red West and were obtained by the seller in the\nspring of 1956 in Jacksonville , Fla the afternoon following the incident\nwhen Elvis collapsed during a concert at the Gaterbowl in Jacksonville.\n\tRequest offers.\n           Ellen T. (408) 978-7716 (San Jose, CA.)\"\n\n\n\n","1410":"From: Petch@gvg47.gvg.tek.com (Chuck Petch)\nSubject: Daily Verse\nOrganization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA\nLines: 4\n\nFor whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister\nand mother.\" \n\nMatthew 12:50\n","1411":"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)\nSubject: Re: Observation re: helmets\nNntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com\nOrganization: Bellcore\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>,\nmaven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:\n|>  \n|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to\n|> rock \n|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...\n|>  \n|>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and \n|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.\n|>  \n|>  The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know\n|> for \n|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....\n|> church \n|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should\n|> I just \n|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or\n|> should I \n|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my\n|> likely \n|> passenger? \n\n   My rule of thumb is \"Don't give rides to people that wear\na bigger helmet than you\", unless your taste runs that way,\nor they are family.friends.\nGee,  reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river \nfrom Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a\nbought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything \nelse she wanted ;->\n-- \n##########################################################\nThere are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES \n                 and TARGETS !!!\n#1\/XS1100LH\tDoD #956   #2 Next raise\nRichard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063\nInternet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  \n#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!\nI Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo\nin the same store.\n\n","1412":"From: donb@igor.tamri.com (Don Baldwin)\nSubject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test\nOrganization: TOSHIBA America MRI, South San Francisco, CA\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu> jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach)\nwrites:\n>>I would be upset that, although abortions would continue, they would be\n>>a lot more expensive for the rich, and a lot less safe for the poor.\n>\n>So now things are supposed to be legal just to keep their cost down\n>and the safety factor high??  \n\nIn the case of victimless crimes yes, I think so.\n\nThink about it.  If I rob or beat up or rape or kill someone, it's very\nclear to anyone not a sociopath that I've done something immoral.  On the\nother hand, if I smoke grass or have sex with a consenting adult in a\nmanner illegal in that state, the morality or immorality of that act is\nmerely a lifestyle choice; it doesn;t clearly hurt anyone else.  IMO, if\nsuch an act doesn;t hurt another person it should not be interfered with.\n\n>Think about it -- shouldn't all drugs then be legalized, it would lower\n>the cost and definitely make them safer to use.\n\nI think so.  And I don't use drugs, outside of the legal ones (alcohol\nand coffee).\n\n   don\n","1413":"From: degroff@netcom.com (21012d)\nSubject: Re: Venus Lander for Venus Conditions.\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 8\n\n\n  I doubt there are good prospects for  a self armoring system\nfor venus surface conditions (several hundred degrees, very high\npressure of CO2, possibly sulfuric and nitric acids or oxides\nbut it is a notion to consider for outer planets rs where you might\npick up ices under less extream upper atmosphere conditions buying\ndeeper penetration.  A nice creative idea, unlikly but worthy of\nthinking about.\n","1414":"From: kayman@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kayman)\nSubject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE)\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nLines: 42\n\nIn article <C638zs.pr@cs.vu.nl> wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes:\n>ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:\n>\n>>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 \n>>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better).  Vertical motion \n>>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click \n>>on something because my mouse jumps around.  I can be moving the mouse to \n>>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly \n>>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump \n>>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!).  This is crazy!  I have \n>>never had so much trouble with a mouse before.  Anyone have any solutions?  \n>\n>>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam!\n>\n>I think I have the same problem. I think it is caused by the rubber ball\n>in the mouse, which doesn't roll so smooth. The detectors in the mouse\n>notice this and whoops, I hit a mine (using minesweeper :-) ).\n>\n>I think the solution will be buying a new mouse, and\/or using a mouse pad.\n>\n>Wouter.\n\n\nAnd\/or taking the rubber ball out of the mouse (should be directions\nin the manual or on the bottom of the mouse) and cleaning it with\nalcohol (isopropyl, I believe - the same alcohol as used for cleaning\nyour cassette deck).  This is good to do every so often, even if you\nhave a mouse pad.  Dust still gets caught in the mouse and on the\nrubber ball.  As well, lint and other garbage may find it's way onto\nthe rubber ball and get into the mouse damaging the horizontal and\nvertical sensors.\n\nHope this helps.  Good luck.\n\n--\nSincerely,\n\nRobert Kayman\t----\tkayman@cs.stanford.edu  -or-  cpa@cs.stanford.edu\n\n\"In theory, theory and practice are the same.  In practice, they are not.\"\n\"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision\n revised?!?!\"\n","1415":"From: boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell)\nSubject: Re: Best Homeruns\nOrganization: the HP Corporate notes server\nLines: 5\n\nI'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman\nand his infamous moon-raker drives...\n\nDon Boell\n\n","1416":"From: mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau Napoleon)\nSubject: RFD: comp.databases.access\nOrganization: UUNET Communications\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rodan.uu.net\nOganization: uiowa.edu\n\nThis is an official RFD for the creation of a new newsgroup for the\ngeneral discussion of the Microsoft Access RDMS.\n\nNAME: COMP.DATABASES.ACCESS\n\nMODERATION: UNMODERATED. At this time, no need for a moderator has been\nassertained. Future evaluation will determine if one is needed.\n\nPURPOSE: \nAccess is a new RDBMS for the Windows Operating System. It includes WYSIWYG\ndesign tools for easy creation of tables, reports, forms and queries and a\ndatabase programming language called Access Basic.\nTHe purpose of the group will be to provide help to people who use Access's \nWYSIWYG design tools to create simple databases as well as to people who use \nAccess Basic to create complex databases.\n\nRATIONALE:\nEventhough Access is a new RDBMS, it is very popular because of its Graphical\nDevelopment enviroment and its initial low price.\nBeen a version 1.0 product means that all Access users are Novices.\nFor that reason a newsgroup is needed where Access users can discuss \ntheir experiences with the product and answer each other's questions.\n-- \nNapoleon\nmau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu\n","1417":"From: jimc@tau-ceti.isc-br.com (Jim Cathey)\nSubject: Re: few video questions\nOrganization: Olivetti North America, Spokane, WA\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <7480224@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> myers@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Bob Myers) writes:\n>situation sometimes called \"block\" sync).  You can generate such a combined\n>(or \"composite\") sync in two simple ways - OR the H. and V. syncs together,\n>which gives you the non-serrated \"block\" sync, or EXOR them, which makes\n>serrations.  (Try it!)  Actually, the EXOR doesn't really do kosher serrated\n>sync, since it puts the rising (and falling, for that matter) edge of the H. \n>sync pulse off by a pulse width.  But that usually makes no difference.\n\nSometimes.  It depends on your monitor and your timing.  If you don't\nhave enough vertical front porch and you use XOR composite sync you can\nget even\/odd tearing at the top of the screen, which is very sensitive\nto the HHOLD control.  It looks like what you would expect if you\nscanned the even fields (say) onto a sheet of mylar and had pinched the\nupper left corner with your fingers and started to tear it off the tube. \nWith proper composite sync (equalizing pulses) the interlace is rock\nsolid. \n\n-- \n+----------------+\n! II      CCCCCC !  Jim Cathey\n! II  SSSSCC     !  ISC-Bunker Ramo\n! II      CC     !  TAF-C8;  Spokane, WA  99220\n! IISSSS  CC     !  UUCP: uunet!isc-br!jimc (jimc@isc-br.isc-br.com)\n! II      CCCCCC !  (509) 927-5757\n+----------------+\n\t\t\tOne Design to rule them all; one Design to find them.\n\t\t\tOne Design to bring them all and in the darkness bind\n\t\t\tthem.  In the land of Mediocrity where the PC's lie.\n","1418":"From: rlward1@afterlife.ncsc.mil (Robert Ward)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: National Computer Security Center\nDistribution: na\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <bontchev.734981805@fbihh> bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de writes:\n>and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American\n>to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of\n\nHave you read the applicable part of the Constitution and interpreted it IN \nCONTEXT?  If not, please do so before posting this misinterpretation again.\nIt refers to the right of the people to organize a militia, not for individuals \nto carry handguns, grenades, and assault rifles.  \n\nRobert L. Ward\n\n","1419":"From: mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky)\nSubject: LCIII->PowerPC?\nOrganization: dis\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hal.ai.mit.edu\n\nHi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.\nI heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.\nIs this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS\nslot.  Is that true?\n\nThanks\nDavid Mirsky\nmirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu\n\n","1420":"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton\/Gore '92)\nSubject: CLINTON: Press Release on USIA Appointments\nOrganization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,\n    675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA  02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296\nLines: 101\nNNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu\n\n\n\n                         THE WHITE HOUSE\n\n                  Office of the Press Secretary\n_________________________________________________________________\n\nFor Immediate Release                        April 15, 1993\n\n\n\n AMERICAN UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT JOSEPH DUFFEY NAMED TO HEAD USIA,\n        MICA TO CHAIR BOARD FOR INTERNATIONAL BROADCASTING\n\n\nWashington, D.C. -  President Clinton today announced his \nintention to nominate American University President and former \nState Department Assistant Secretary Joseph Duffey to be Director \nof the United States Information Agency. The President also \ndesignated Daniel Mica Chairman of the Board for International \nBroadcasting.\n     \n     \"Joe Duffey's expertise in the fields of education, \ncommunications and foreign affairs is vast and will serve him \nwell as he takes the helm at USIA and works to promote the ideals \nof democracy and freedom abroad,\" the President said. \n\n     President of American University in Washington, D.C. since \n1991, Duffey previously served nine years as Chancellor and \nPresident of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst. In 1977 \nhe served as Assistant Secretary of State, Education and Cultural \nAffairs in the State Department. Duffey served as Chairman of the \nNational Endowment for the Humanities under both Presidents \nCarter and Reagan. \n\n     In 1978 and 1980, Duffey served as a United States delegate \nto the General Conference of the United Nations Educational, \nScientific and Cultural Organization. In 1991, Duffey served as \njoint head of the U.S. Delegation observing national elections in \nEthiopia. \n\n     USIA, which celebrates its 40th anniversary this year, is an \nindependent foreign affairs agency within the executive branch \nthat explains and supports U.S. foreign policy and national \nsecurity interests abroad through a wide range of information \nprograms. Among the agency's programs are the Fulbright academic \nprogram, Voice of America, the Worldnet satellite television \nsystem and a network of overseas libraries and cultural centers.  \nThe agency has more than 210 posts in more than 140 countries.\n\n                              (more)\nPress Release\npg. 2\n\n\n\n\n     Mica becomes Chairman of the Board for International \nBroadcasting after serving as a member of the board since 1991.\n\n     \"Dan Mica has done an excellent job on the Board of \nInternational Broadcasting and I expect he will continue as \nchairman to promote the cause of democracy abroad,\" the President \nsaid.\n\n\n     Biographical sketches of the appointees follow:       \n\n\nJoseph Duffey has served as President of American University \nsince 1991. Prior to his tenure at American, Duffey served as \nChancellor and President of the University of Massachusetts at \nAmherst (1982 - 91) and as a Guest Scholar at the Brookings \nInstitution (1982). He served as Chairman of the National \nEndowment for the Humanities from 1977 - 82 and as Assistant \nSecretary of State, Education and Cultural Affairs with the \nDepartment of State in 1977. Duffey holds 14 honorary degrees \nfrom American colleges and universities. In 1980 he was named \nCommander of the Order of the Crown by the King of Belgium and he \nhas been a member of the Council of Foreign Relations since 1979. \nDuffey received a BA from Marshall University in 1954, a BD from \nthe Andover Newton Theological School in 1958, a STM from Yale \nUniversity in 1963 and a Ph.D. from the Harvard Seminary \nFoundation in 1969. Duffey is a member of the National Business-\nHigher Education Forum and a founder and co-chairman of the \nWestern Massachusetts Economic Development Conference. Duffey is \nmarried to Anne Wexler and has four sons.\n\n\nDaniel Mica is a former U.S. Representative from the 14th \nDistrict of Florida and has served on the Board of International \nBroadcasting since 1991. During his tenure in Congress from 1979 \n- 89 he served on the House Committee on Foreign Relations and \nwas appointed by President Reagan as the Congressional \nRepresentative to the United Nations. \n\n\n                           -30-30-30- \n\n\n\n","1421":"From: swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com (Aaron Swiers)\nSubject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports\nOrganization: Control Data Systems Inc.  \nLines: 16\n\nslang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) writes:\n>Does anyone know if there are any devices available for the Mac which\n>will increase the number of serial ports available for use\n>simultaneously?  I would like to connect up to 8 serial devices to my\n>Mac for an application I am working on. I must be able to access each\n>one of the independently.\n\nApplied Engineering makes a NuBus card called the QuadraLink which is \na board that contains 4 serial ports, which I believe can be used\nsimultaneously.  I'm not a user of one of these, but I have installed\na couple for people at work (I'm a technician).  Hope this helps.\n\n--\nAaron Swiers\nControl Data Corporation, Arden Hills MN            swiers@chaos.aqeng.cdc.com\nElectrical Engineering student, U of ND                swiers@plains.nodak.edu\n","1422":"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)\nSubject: Re: Supply Side-revenue\nOrganization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA\nDistribution: na\nLines: 22\n\nIn <9460@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> ssoar@tekig5.pen.tek.com (Steven E Soar) writes:\n\n|In article <C5217t.J5B@newsserver.technet.sg>, ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser) writes:\n|> \n|> The result is that Clinton now HOPES to reduce the deficit to a level \n|> ABOVE where it was when Reagan left office.\n\n|Which, considering the amount Bush&congress added to it, would be a\n|not-inconsiderable achievement.\n\n|While we're on the subject, I also believe that the supply-side claim that\n|reducing taxes raised revenue is also false, because they typically factor in\n\nYou need to hop over to talk.politics.misc. Wee have been chewing on this gem\nfor awhile. The challenge has been made to name a single supply sider who\never said this. For the last three weeks the challenge has gone unmet.\nI issue the same challenge to you.\n-- \nMob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government\nIt ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.\nWilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.\nMark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com\n","1423":"From: bkline%occs.nlm.nih.gov (Bob Kline)\nSubject: X11 load on the Network\nOrganization: National Library of Medicine\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 12\n\nCan someone point me in the direction of any papers (not necessarily\nformally conducted studies) discussing how much traffic X apps generate\nfor the network, particularly in comparison with curses-bases apps \nover telnet?  Also, does an X server typically buffer up user keyboard\ninput a line at a time?  Can the X client control this, asking for\nkeystrokes immediately?  Thanks in advance for any feedback!\n\n--\n\/*----------------------------------------------------------------------*\/\n\/* Bob Kline                                      Phoenix Systems, Inc. *\/\n\/* bkline@occs.nlm.nih.gov                        voice: (703) 522-0820 *\/\n\/*----------------------------------------------------------------------*\/\n","1424":"From: saz@hook.corp.mot.com (Scott Zabolotzky)\nSubject: Re: the hawks WILL return to the finals!!!!!\nOrganization: Motorola, Inc.\nNntp-Posting-Host: 129.188.122.164\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1qk0k4$itg@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> cubrj@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Brian Johnson) writes:\n>Well now that the hawks have won the division the road is a little\n>easier for the playoffs. Let toronto and detroit beat the hell out of\n>each other while Chicago sweeps st.louis. That just makes it easier in\n>the second round with all the rest they will get and tor\/det getting\n>none. For the conf. champ they will have a hard time versus the division\n>but that div. will be pretty battered also so the advantage goes to the\n>Hawks again. Then bring pitt. and sure the Hawks will probably lose but\n>its better to get that far and lose than to not go.\n>\n>brian\n>\n\nHopefully, a miracle (o.k. not quite a miracle, but close!) will occur and\nPittsburgh will be elminated prior to the finals.  If they make it again, \nthey will probably keep the Cup.  If they don't, it's the Hawks' turn!\n\nGO BLACKHAWKS!!\n\nCONGRATS TO JEREMY ROENICK FOR BEING ONLY THE 2ND HAWKS PLAYER TO POST \nBACK TO BACK 50 GOAL SEASONS!!\n\nScott\n\n","1425":"From: billj@b11.b11.ingr.com (Bill Jones)\nSubject: Re: Need specs\/info on Apple QuickTime\nKeywords: quicktime\nOrganization: Intergraph Corp. Huntsville, AL\nLines: 16\n\nadd@sciences.sdsu.edu (James D. Murray) writes:\n\n>I need to get the specs, or at least a very verbose interpretation of the\n>specs, for QuickTime.  Technical articles from magazines and references to\n>books would be nice too.\n\n>I also need the specs in a format usable on a Unix or MS-DOS system.  I can't\n>do much with the QuickTime stuff they have on ftp.apple.com in its present\n>format.\n\nApple just released the Quicktime volume of the new Inside Macintosh series.\nAny bookstore with reasonable technical stock should have it.\n\nBill Jones\nbillj@beowulf.b11.ingr.com\n\n","1426":"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com\n\n>: >>I almost got a hernia laughing at this one.\n>: >>If anything, SCSI (on a PC) will be obsolete-> killed off by Vesa Local\n>: >>Bus IDE.  It must be real nice to get shafted by $20-$100 bucks for the\n>: >>extra cost of a SCSI drive, then pay another $200-$300 for a SCSI controller.\n\nFirst off, with all these huge software packages and files that\nthey produce, IDE may no longer be sufficient for me (510 Mb limit).\nSecond, (rumor is) Microsoft recognizes the the importance of SCSI\nand will support it soon. I'm just not sure if it's on DOS, Win, or NT.\nAt any rate, the deal is with Corel who makes (I hear) a good\ncohesive set of SCSI drivers.\n\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'\nmarka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      |\nThe Lost Los Angelino              |\n","1427":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Keeping the silent memory of 2.5 million Muslim people alive.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 34\n\nSource: \"Men Are Like That\" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill\nCompany, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). \n(Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 \n million Muslim people)\n\np. 193.\n\n\"Their [Muslim] villages were destroyed and they themselves were slain or \n driven out of the country.\"\n\np. 218. \n\n\"We Armenians did not spare the Tartars. If persisted in, the slaughtering \n of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become \n commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course.\n\n I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground,\n in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless\n and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the\n heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands,\n and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with\n their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself.\"\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","1428":"From: dudek@daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Gregory Dudek)\nSubject: Re: IIci -> Q700 upgrade?\nNntp-Posting-Host: daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu\nOrganization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <C5HA0x.11oq@austin.ibm.com> $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes:\n>\n>A while ago I posted a note asking for specs on the Quadra 700, and opinions on\n>the Q700 upgrade of a IIci vs. an accelerator card.  So far no responsed that\n>I've noticed.  Please let me know what you think of these possible upgrade\n>paths:  Cost, efficiency, pros\/cons, etc.. Thanks!\n\n  Complete Q700 are best obtained from your dealer or some recent\ncopy of MacWorld or MacUser.  My foggy memory suggests that the most relevant\ncomparison factors vis-a-vis a IIci are as follows:\n\n  25 MHz 68040\n  16 Mhz data path (don't recall this for sure, but it's slower\n      than Q 950 style machines for sure).\n  Ethertalk card on-board\n  Audio in\/out\n  4 MB RAM on motherboard\n  4 SIMM slots\n  2 NuBus slots.\n  More flexible build-in video than the CI.  Uses VRAM.\n\nIn comparison, a IIci with an accelerator won't give you\n  audio or ethernet  or the same video options.\n  With a 68040 accelerator, CPU performance can be comparable but I\n  think it ends up costing more.\n\nGreg Dudek\n","1429":"Subject: prozac\nFrom: agilmet@eis.calstate.edu (Adriana Gilmete)\nOrganization: Calif State Univ\/Electronic Information Services\nLines: 3\n\nCan anyone help me find any information on the drug Prozac?  I am writing\na report on the inventors , Eli Lilly and Co., and the product.  I need as\nmuch help as I can get.   Thanks a lot, Adriana Gilmete.\n","1430":"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)\nSubject: Re: Gun Talk -- Legislative Update for States\nKeywords: gun talk, ila\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 15\n\nlvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani) writes:\n\n>IOWA:  All firearm related bills are dead.  Senate File 303\n>dealing with off-duty police officers carrying concealed remains\n>viable.\n\n\tThe *POWER* of the word processor and a stamp at work.\nThe fact that around here the state rep generally lives no more than\nnine miles from any constituent doesn't hurt, either.\n\n< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >\n<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >\n<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >\n<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >\n\n","1431":"From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman)\nSubject: erythromycin\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 4\nNntp-Posting-Host: jeeves.ucsd.edu\n\nIs erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia?\n\n-fm\n\n","1432":"From: cab@col.hp.com (Chris Best)\nSubject: Re: Need help with car stereo....\nOrganization: your service\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hpctdkz.col.hp.com\n\nJust a shot here, but ya never know:\n\nI once bought a (REAL) cheap equalizer \/ power amp for my car tape player \nat one of those motel-room truckload sales, and it sounded great.  For a \nwhile, that is.  Then one channel quit entirely.  I opened it up, and the \namplifier chip for the bad channel had simply melted some of its solder \njoints attaching it to the PCB.  I soldered them back and it worked fine.  \nI just had to keep the volume a bit lower than I did before.  Probably \nlousy heat sinking.\n\nYou said \"a nice Alpine\" which I'm sure is a few orders of mag higher\nin quality than the P.O.S. I had.  But the point is - look inside before\nyou scrap it, since you OCCASIONALLY find something you can repair.\nMaybe even the same thing I found.\n\nGood luck!\n","1433":"From: duvvuri@flashflood.cs.odu.edu (D.V.Prakash)\nSubject: Pointer\/Cursor\nArticle-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.151347.2339\nOrganization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va\nLines: 25\nNntp-Posting-Host: flashflood.cs.odu.edu\n\n\nHi\n\nI am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib\n\nI have multiple windows and all can take input and \nshow output simultaneously on all other displays\n\nI want to implement a pointer feature \n\nI would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once \nI choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able\nto see it\n\nCan you give me some hints as to how I should proceed \nI am new to Xlib\n\n\n\nreplies will be greatly appreciated\n\nThank you\n\nPrakash\n< duvvuri@cs.odu.edu >\n","1434":"From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)\nSubject: Re: Can I use a CD4052 analog multiplexer for digital signals?\nOrganization: SSC, Inc.,  Seattle, WA\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 13\n\nTall Cool One (rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:\n: As the subject says - Can I use a 4052 for digital signals?  I don't see\n: why it couldn't handle digital signals, but I could be wrong.  Anyone have\n: any advice?  Thanks.\n\nThe switches have a non-negligable on resistance (up to 1k ohm when\npowered by 5 volts) and a maximum current and a Maximum Static\nVoltage Across Switch.  Not a good bet for TTL.  Should work for\nCMOS, but slow things down a bit.  There are 74HC versions that\nhave better specs. but lower max voltage.\n\nMark Zenier  markz@ssc.wa.com  markz@ssc.com  \n\n","1435":"From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie (Re: An Anecdote about Islam\nReply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <115288@bu.edu>, jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n>\n>He'd have to be precise about is rejection of God and his leaving Islam.\n>One is perfectly free to be muslim and to doubt and question the\n>existence of God, so long as one does not _reject_ God. I am sure that\n>Rushdie has be now made his atheism clear in front of a sufficient \n>number of proper witnesses. The question in regard to the legal issue\n>is his status at the time the crime was committed. \n\n\nI'd have to say that I have a problem with any organization, \nreligious or not, where the idea that _simple speech_ such\nas this is the basis for a crime.\n\n-jim halat                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n                                                                          \n","1436":"From: shadow@r-node.hub.org (Jay Chu)\nSubject: Lindros will be traded!!!\nOrganization: Lindros traded!\nSummary: Babe Lindros going to Ottawa!\nLines: 14\n\nTrue rumor.  Fact!  A big three way deal!\n\nEric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators.  And Senators get $15mill from\nMontreal.\n\nMontreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators)\n\nPhilly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick.\n\n-- \n        ______                shadow@r-node.gts.org\n       | |__| |   If it's there and you can see it       - it's real\n       |  ()  |   If it's there and you can't see it     - it's transparent\n       |______|   If it's not there and you can't see it - you erased it!\n","1437":"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.\nLines: 37\nNntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu\n\nIn article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:\n>In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:\n>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful\n>>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle\n>>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this\n>>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.\n>\n> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and\n>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it\n\nReally!?\n\nMethinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike.\n\nPerhaps you meant _pull_?\n\nPushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.\n\nIt should. \nREally.\n\n>on MY bike, I turn right.  No wonder you need that FAQ.  If I had it\n>I'd send it.\n>\n\nI'm sure others will take up the slack...\n\n\n>\n>\n>\n\n-- \nAndy Infante  | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis |\n'71 BMW R60\/5 | upon the observance of the law than they do upon it's         | \nDoD #2426     | enforcement.  -Calvin Coolidge                                | \n==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | \n","1438":"From: Isabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu (Isabelle Rosso)\nSubject: Hunchback\nX-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0b15@dartmouth.edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College \nLines: 14\n\nI have a friend who has a very pronounced slouch of his upper back. He\nalways walks and sits this way so I have concluded that he is\nhunchback.\nIs this a genetic disorder, or is it something that people can correct.\ni.e. is it just bad posture that can be changed with a bit of will\npower?\n\n\n\n\n\nIsabelle.Rosso@Dartmouth.edu\n          \n     \n","1439":"From: kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko)\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nOrganization: University of Oulu, Finland\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 19\n\nI must correct the following in my previous posting:\n \n: If you are trying to be objective, you must also recognise that\n: \n: 1) the gospels are not independent sources, on the contrary, they\n: share much of the same material\n\nI should have been a bit more careful here - the gospels not only\ntell us about the same events, they usually use the same wordings.\nTextual analyses show that Matthew and Luke probably had a common\nsource, which may have influenced Mark, too.\n\nPetri\n\n--\n ___. .'*''.*        Petri Pihko    kem-pmp@          Mathematics is the Truth.\n!___.'* '.'*' ' .    Pihatie 15 C    finou.oulu.fi    Physics is the Rule of\n       ' *' .* '*    SF-90650 OULU  kempmp@           the Game.\n          *'  *  .*  FINLAND         phoenix.oulu.fi  -> Chemistry is The Game.\n","1440":"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: Clarification of personal position\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <C5MuIw.AqC@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu\n(Darius_Lecointe) wrote:\n> I will repeat my position here.  Worshipping on Sunday has never been a\n> sin.  As a child I attended services on Saturday and Sunday--at the SDA\n> church and at the Pentecostal church across the street.  I might even go to a\n> Baptist church next week.  I worship God every day, and every Christian \n> should.  Even if we can prove that Christians should meet on Sunday (and\n> we can't) we can never prove that violation of the Sabbath is not a sin\n> any longer.  Nor can we prove that violation of Sunday is a sin.  We\n> cannot use the Sabbath commandment for that purpose.\n\nMy online Bible is on a CD, but I don't own a CD-ROM system for the\ntime being, so I can't search for the famous cite where Jesus explicitly\nstates that he didn't want to break existing (Jewish) laws. In other\nwords technically speaking Christians should use Saturday and not Sunday\nas their holy day, if they want to conform to the teachings of Jesus.\n\nCheers,\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n","1441":"From: devil@loki.HellNet.org (Gil Tene)\nSubject: COSE GUI - Just what is it they agreed on?\nLines: 31\nNntp-Posting-Host: loki\n\nThe COSE announcement specifies that Motif will become the common\nGUI. But what does this mean exactly? \n\n- Do they mean that all \"COSE-complient\" apps will have the Motif\n  look and feel?\n\n- Do they mean that all \"COSE-complient\" apps will use the Motif\n  toolkit API?\n\n- Do they mean both of the above?\n\n- Is it possible that there will be a Motif-API complient toolkit with\n  an OpenLook Look & Feel?\n\n- How about an OLIT\/XView\/OI\/Interviews API toolkit with a Motif L & F?\n  (I know OI already does this, but will this be considered COSE-complient?)\n\n- Will there be more than one \"standard\" toolkit API or L & F supported?\n\n- How does using ToolTalk fit in with Motif?\n\nThis is my attempt to start a discussion in order to pull as much \nknowledge about these questions off the net... Feel free to e-mail\nor followup.\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n-- Gil Tene\t\t\t\"Some days it just doesn't pay     -\n-- devil@imp.HellNet.org\t   to go to sleep in the morning.\" -\n-- devil@diablery.10A.com \t\t\t\t\t   -\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1442":"From: mcdonald@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (J. D. McDonald)\nSubject: Re: jiggers\nArticle-I.D.: aries.mcdonald.895.734049502\nOrganization: UIUC SCS\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <78846@cup.portal.com> mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:\n\n>This wouldn't happen to be the same thing as chiggers, would it?\n>A truly awful parasitic affliction, as I understand it.  Tiny bugs\n>dig deeply into the skin, burying themselves.  Yuck!  They have these\n>things in Oklahoma.\n\nClose. My mother comes from Gainesville Tex, right across the border.\nThey claim to be the chigger capitol of the world, and I believe them.\nWhen I grew up in Fort Worth it was bad enough, but in Gainesville\nin the summer an attack was guaranteed.\n\nDoug McDonald\n","1443":"From: tzs@stein2.u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)\nSubject: Re: The state of justice\nOrganization: University of Washington School of Law, Class of '95\nLines: 31\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu\n\ndemon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:\n>\tA judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two\n>new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not\n>from the fire.\n>\n>\tThoughts?\n\nHow can a witness tell that someone in a burning truck is dead rather than\nunconscious?\n\n>\tIt's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start\n>denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led\n>to the previous ruling appear.\n>\n>\tOr has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed? \n>Shouldn't that be up to a jury?\n\nWhat kind of witnesses?  If we are talking about witnesses who were at\nthe accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics,\nemergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the\nfirst trial.  You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and\nforgot to call all of your witnesses.\n\nIf we are talking about new expert witnesses who will offer new\ninterpretations of the data, note that the loser can *ALWAYS* find\nsuch witnesses.  If this were grounds for a new trial, then the loser\ncould *ALWAYS* get a new trial, and keep doing so until the loser\nbecomes a winner (and then the other side would come up with new\nexpert witnesses).\n\n--Tim Smith\n","1444":"From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)\nSubject: Re: LH Workmanship\nNntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com\nOrganization: Bellcore\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1ql178INN51q@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.203750.25764@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:\n>>I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle \n>>Vision and Dodge Intrepid. \n>>at a competitive price.  ...\n>>\n>>Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars,\n>>the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out\n>>the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing\n>\n>\n>\"Through a single data point, you can draw any line you want.\"\n>-- Dr. S. Bart Childs, Professor, Texas A&M Dept. of Computer Science\n>\nWrong. I got two points, which were the 100% sample space on the show\nfloor. By the previous quote, I guess I may drow a determinstic line?\n>\n>Both my pastor's late model Corolla and my father's 1987 Stanza\n>have demonstrated the \"falling door seals\" problem.\n>\nAs unfair as it may seem, the difference between Chrysler and Toyota is\nthat Chrysler needs to prove that it can build quality cars. Toyota can\nafford make a few small mistakes without hurting the image.\n\nAfter all, door seal failing on a 6-year old Stanza is not comparable to \nthe same problem on a brand new Intreprid.\n\nJason Chen\n","1445":"From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)\nSubject: Re: Happy Easter!\nNntp-Posting-Host: corolla18\nOrganization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1qt0jo$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:\n|\n|Hey!  I wasn't picking on Morgan.  They use old technology.  That's all\n|I said.  There's nothing wrong with using old technology.  People still\n|use shovels to dig holes \n\nWell, you really can't dig a hole with a stock Shovel; you at least need some\nperformance mods like stroking and cams.  Besides, it's REAL bad on the\nrear tire.\n\nDave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | \"I'm getting tired of\n90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.\n84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn.\"\nAMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth \"Bruiser\" Dixon\n","1446":"From: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon)\nSubject: Re: Ottawa\/Montreal\/Philly trade\nArticle-I.D.: oz.1993Apr6.023843.9689\nReply-To: r_turgeo@oz.plymouth.edu (Randy S. Turgeon)\nOrganization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, N.H.\nLines: 13\n\n\n  Here we go again. Is this the same idiot who posted the Gretzky\ntrade to Toronto????   Sheeeesh!  You should have waited until we got\nover that one before this garbage, maybe we would have believed it for\nhalf a second (NOT!).\n\n   By the way, I just heard from Mother Goose that Mario Lemieux was\ntraded to Winnpeg for Tie Domi!!!!!\n\n\nRandy\nPSC (I know noone has heard of it, it's a tiny college in Hicksville\nNew Hampshire. Plymouth State College)\n","1447":"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nLines: 23\n\n: The cops\/feds do *not* need to be able to get hold of your private key to\n: listen in to cellular conversations.  Encryption is not end-to-end, but \n: cellphone to base-station - it *has* to be this way so that cellular users\n: and fixed installations can talk to each other.  For cellular to cellular\n: calls, the transmission is decrypted at the base-station, passed to another\n: base-station and re-encrypted.  The cops\/feds can listen to the unscrambled\n: call *provided* they get a warrant to tap into the cellular provider's\n: equipment.  The only reason for wanting a crackable system is so they can\n: listen without having to obtain a warrant.\n\n: But, maybe the Clipper system is secure, and they really do need a warrant\n: to get the key out of escrow before they can listen in using a scanner (see\n: above - they don't *have* to go down this route anyway).  I have my doubts,\n: but even if true once they have the key they will *never* again need a\n: warrant to tap into that particular phone whenever they want.  `Well, Judge,\n: it appears he wasn't a drug-dealer after all, so naturally we'll stop\n: listening in'...\n\nThat was true for the UK Paul, but I'm fairly sure they're talking about\nbuilding end-to-end encryption phones out of this chip.  It's *not* for\ncellular (though it certainly could be used there in the way you suggest)\n\nG\n","1448":"Subject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nFrom: amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira)\n <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU><2BD9C01D.11546@news.service.uci.edu> <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>\nOrganization: Inst. of Comp. Sci., Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel\nNNTP-Posting-Host: shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il\nIn-reply-to: cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu's message of 25 Apr 1993 05:26:48 GMT\nLines: 14\n\ncy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:\n\n                                                           The Israelis\n   used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these neutral reporters.\n\nEh????  Could you please give me details about an event where a \"Neutral\nObserver\" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?\n\n--Amos\n--\n--Amos Shapira (Jumper Extraordinaire) |  \"It is true that power corrupts,\nC.S. System Group, Hebrew University,  |   but absolute power is better!\"\nJerusalem 91904, ISRAEL                |\namoss@cs.huji.ac.il                    |          -- the Demon to his son\n\n","1449":"Subject: Let it be Known\nFrom: <ISSBTL@BYUVM.BITNET>\nOrganization: Brigham Young University\nLines: 10\n\nI would like to make everyone aware that in winning the NL West the Atlanta\nBraves did not lead wire-to-wire.  Through games of 4\/14\/93 the Houston\nAstros are percentage points ahead of the \"unbeatable\" Braves.\n\n\nGo Astros!!!!!\n\nByron T. Lee\nA Native Texan\nStuck in Utah\n","1450":"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)\nSubject: Re: Eco-Freaks forcing Space Mining.\nOrganization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.212202.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n>Here is a way to get the commericial companies into space and mineral\n>exploration.\n>Basically get the eci-freaks to make it so hard to get the minerals on earth..\n\nIf raw materials where to cost enough that getting them from space would\nbe cost effective then the entire world economy would colapse long\nbefore the space mines could be built.\n\n  Allen\n\n-- \n+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Lady Astor:   \"Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!\"   |\n| W. Churchill: \"Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it.\"             |\n+----------------------55 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+\n","1451":"From: neal@magpie.linknet.com (Neal)\nSubject: Re: rnitedace and violence\nOrganization: Manes and Associates, NYC\nDistribution: usa\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 28\n\n   I am glad that you recognize that people should not engage in denial\nand repression, and should acknowledge such. The United States, with\nits people, have recognized that repression has taken place, with the\nloss and outright abrogation of civil liberties and constitutional\nprotections of citizens. This recognition has taken the form of the\ncivil rights law (let's just discuss the federal level for now), such\nas 18 USC 241 et. seq., 42 USC 1981 et. seq, et. al.\n   With this recognition of repression, at times manifested in the\nform of collective guilt, I want people to recognize denial. \nThough it can be said that white people numerically commit more\ncrimes in the United States, because white people are a majority,\nit can also be said that black people commit a disproportionate\namount of crime in the United States, in their relation to their\nnumbers in population.\n   My views are out of experiences when I was a police officer\nin a large metropolitan area, and of a citizen. Unless people\naccount for their behavior, and for the behavior of their immediate\ncommunity, nothing will improve.\n\nRegards, \n\nNeal\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","1452":"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1r19tp$5em@bigboote.WPI.EDU>, mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein) writes:\n\n> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.\n>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day  \n> in Texas. \n\nDo YOU eat all your food cold?\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n","1453":"From: ST002649@brownvm.brown.edu (Alex Gottschalk)\nSubject: Re: 666, THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST, VIEWER DISCR\nOrganization: Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island  USA\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: brownvm.brown.edu\nX-News-Software: BNN via BNN_POST v1.0 beta\n\nIn article <C4J571.K3D@rice.edu>, swaim@owlnet.rice.edu (Michael Parks Swaim)\nsaid:\n>Posted on 27 Mar 1993 at 00:16:13 by Michael Parks Swaim\n>In article <C4HIM1.BrF@cs.psu.edu> jdh@math.psu.edu (Jeremy D Hall) writes:\n>>Well, I *WILL* do the math, and I get:  (6^6)^6=2,189,739,336\n>>\n>>This mean anything to anyone?  :^)\n\n5*1=5 thus fitting in neatly with something else.\n_________________________________________________________________________\n\u00ba...and everything under the sun is in tune...    \u00ba \"What was Jabba the \u00ba\n\u00band the sun is eclipsed by the moon.\"             \u00ba  Hut smoking?\"      \u00ba\n\u00ba                           --Pink Floyd          \u00ba         --Alex      \u00ba\n\u00ba                             \"Eclipse\"           \u00ba           curious   \u00ba\n\u00ba_________________________________________________\u00ba_____________________\u00ba\n","1454":"From: as16@quads.uchicago.edu (adam  shah)\nSubject: Re: When Is Melido Due Back?\nReply-To: as16@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <nittmo.734981173@camelot> nittmo@camelot.bradley.edu (Christopher Taylor) writes:\n>When are the Yankees planning on activating Melido Perez?  His 15 days on\n>the DL are up today, but are they bringing him back this weekend? \n>\n>Thanks for any info.\n> \n>\n\nThe Chicago Tribune pitching form has Perez pitching today (4\/16).  But\ngiven the way that Buck changes his rotation so often, that could just be\nthe work of a confused stat-page editor.\n\n\n-- \nadam (as16@midway.uchicago.edu) \naka mercutio...\nobligatory go yankees for baseball season...\n5338 S Woodlawn Ave Apt 2\/Chicago, IL 60615\/(312) 667-3586\n","1455":"From: gsnow@clark.edu (Gary Snow)\nSubject: Re: QUESTION: 1024 x 768 on Quadra 800\nArticle-I.D.: clark.1993Apr6.215836.27428\nOrganization: Clark College, Vancouver, Wa.  USA\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <D2150026.u982nu@bostrauma.trauma.com> ennui@trauma.com (N is for Neville who died of ennui) writes:\n>Does anyone have information on acheiving 1024 x 768 resolution on a Q800\n>using interanl video? Is this even possible? I suspect that it isn't although\n>I'd certainly like to know for sure.\n\nOf course its possible, I get 1024x768 on my Centris 650. All you need is\na correctly wired video cable.\n\nGary\n\n-- \n-----\nGary Snow\nuunet!clark!gsnow  or  gsnow@clark.edu\n","1456":"From: ICH344@DJUKFA11.BITNET\nSubject: Wanted: Slot card with VGA + HDD-Contr.\nOrganization: Forschungszentrum Juelich\nLines: 18\n\nHello,\n\nI am looking for a PC card with the following features:\n\n  - Controller for IDE(AT-Bus)-HardDiskDrive\n  - Controller for 2 FloppyDiskDrives\n  - Standard(256KB) VGA Graphics  INCLUDING FEATURE CONNECTOR (important!)\n                                  ===========================\n\nThere *are* some manufacturors\/distributors of this kind of card, but I have\nnot found them yet.\n\nIf you can help me, please mail to:  ICH344@DJUKFA11\n                                     ICH344@zam001.zam.kfa-juelich.de\n\n\nThanks a lot,\n                                                   Martin Mueller\n","1457":"From: hrs1@cbnewsi.cb.att.com (herman.r.silbiger)\nSubject: ANSI\/AIIM MS-53 Standard Image File Format\nOrganization: AT&T\nKeywords: image, file format\nLines: 6\n\n\nwing the suggestion of Stu Lynne, I have posted the Image File Format executable and source code to alt.sources.\n\nHerman Silbiger\n.\n\n","1458":"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)\nSubject: Re: thoughts on christians\nIn-Reply-To: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM's message of 16 Apr 93 05: 10:18 GMT\nOrganization: Compaq Computer Corp\nLines: 26\n\n>>>>> On 16 Apr 93 05:10:18 GMT, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) said:\n\nRB> In article <ofnWyG600WB699voA=@andrew.cmu.edu> pl1u+@andrew.cmu.edu (Patrick C Leger) writes:\n>EVER HEAR OF\n>BAPTISM AT BIRTH?  If that isn't preying on the young, I don't know what\n>is...\n>\nRB>   \nRB>   No, that's praying on the young.  Preying on the young comes\nRB>   later, when the bright eyed little altar boy finds out what the\nRB>   priest really wears under that chasible.\n\nThe same thing Scotsmen where under there kilt.\n\nI'll never forget the day when I was about tweleve and accidently\nwalked in on a roomfull of priests sitting around in their underware\ndrinking beer and watching football.  \n\nKind of changed my opinion a bit.  They didn't seem so menacing after\nthat.\n\n\n--\nEd McCreary                                               ,__o\nedm@twisto.compaq.com                                   _-\\_<, \n\"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao.\"  (*)\/'(*)\n","1459":"From: dbl@visual.com (David B. Lewis)\nSubject: comp.windows.x Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 3\/5\nSummary: useful information about the X Window System\nReply-To: faq%craft@uunet.uu.net (X FAQ maintenance address)\nOrganization: VISUAL, Inc.\nExpires: Sun, 2 May 1993 00:00:00 GMT\nLines: 998\n\nArchive-name: x-faq\/part3\nLast-modified: 1993\/04\/04\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  58)! Where can I get patches to X11R5?\n\n\tThe release of new public patches by the MIT X Consortium is announced\nin the comp.windows.x.announce newsgroup.\n\n\tPatches themselves are available via ftp from export and from other\nsites from which X11 is available. They are now also distributed through the \nnewsgroup comp.sources.x. Some source re-sellers may be including patches in \ntheir source distributions of X11.\n\n\tPeople without ftp access can use the xstuff mail server. It now has \n23 patches for X11R5 [3\/93].  Send to xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu the Subject line\n\t\tsend fixes #\nwhere # is the name of the patch and is usually just the number of the patch.\n\n\tHere are a few complications:\n\t1) fix 5 is in four parts; you need to request \"5a\", \"5b\", \"5c\" and \n\"5d\" separately\n\t2) the file sunGX.uu, which was part of an earlier patch, was \nre-released with patch 7 [note: the file doesn't work with Solaris]\n\t3) fix 8 is in two parts: \"8a\" and \"8b\"\n\t4) fix 13 is in three parts: \"13a\", \"13b\", and \"13c\"\n\t5) fix 16 is in two parts: \"16a\" and \"16b\"\n\t6) fix 18 replaces the R5fix-test1 for the X Test Suite, which \npreviously was optional\n\t7) fix 19 also needs PEXlib.tar.Z, which you can obtain from xstuff\nby asking for \"PEXlib.uu.[1234]\".\n\t8) fix 22 is in 9 parts, \"22a\" through \"22i\"\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  59)  What is the xstuff mail-archive?\n\n\tThe xstuff server is a mail-response program. That means that you mail \nit a request, and it mails back the response.\n\tAny of the four possible commands must be the first word on a line. The\nxstuff server reads your entire message before it does anything, so you can \nhave several different commands in a single message (unless you ask for help). \nThe xstuff server treats the \"Subject:\" header line just like any other line \nof the message.\n\tThe archives are organized into a series of directories and \nsubdirectories.  Each directory has an index, and each subdirectory has an \nindex. The top-level index gives you an overview of what is in the \nsubdirectories, and the index for each subdirectory tells you what is in it.\n\n\t1) The command \"help\" or \"send help\" causes the server to send you a \nmore detailed version of this help file.\n\t2) if your message contains a line whose first word is \"index\", then \nthe server will send you the top-level index of the contents of the archive. If\nthere are other words on that line that match the name of subdirectories, then \nthe indexes for those subdirectories are sent instead of the top-level index. \nFor example, you can say \"send index fixes\" (or \"index fixes\"). A message that \nrequests an index cannot request data.\n\t3) if your message contains a line whose first word is \"send\", then the\nxstuff server will send you the item(s) named on the rest of the line. To name \nan item, you give its directory and its name. For example\n                send fixes 1 4 8a 8b 9\n\tYou may issue multiple send requests. The xstuff server contains many \nsafeguards to ensure that it is not monopolized by people asking for large \namounts of data. The mailer is set up so that it will send no more than a fixed\namount of data each day. If the work queue contains more requests than the \nday's quota, then the unsent files will not be processed until the next day. \nWhenever the mailer is run to send its day's quota, it sends the requests out \nshortest-first.\n\t4) Some mailers produce mail headers that are unusable for extracting \nreturn addresses.  If you use such a mailer, you won't get any response.  If \nyou happen to know an explicit path, you can include a line like\n        path foo%bar.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu\nor\n        path bar!foo!frotz\nin the body of your message, and the daemon will use it.\n\n\tThe xstuff server itself can be reached at xstuff@expo.lcs.mit.edu. If \nyour mailer deals in \"!\" notation, try sending to \n{someplace}!mit-eddie!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xstuff.\n\n[based on information from the MIT X Consortium, 8\/89, 4\/90.]\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  60)! Where can I get X11R4 (source and binaries)?\n\n\tIntegrated Computer Solutions, Inc., ships X11R4 on half-inch, \nquarter-inch, and TK50 formats. Call 617-621-0060 for ordering information.\n\n\tThe Free Software Foundation (617-876-3296) sells X11R4 on half-inch \ntapes and on QIC-24 cartridges.  \n\n\tYaser Doleh (doleh@math-cs.kent.EDU; P.O. Box 1301, Kent, OH 44240) is\nmaking X11R4 available on HP format tapes, 16 track, and Sun cartridges. [2\/90]\n\n\tEuropean sites can obtain a free X11R4 distribution from Jamie Watson,\nwho may be reached at chx400!pan!jw or jw@pan.uu.ch. [10\/90]\n\n\tNon Standard Logics (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) makes source\navailable.\n\n\tIXI Limited (+44 223 462 131) is selling X11R4 source on quarter-inch \ncartridge formats and on 5.25\" and 3.5\" floppy, with other formats available on\nrequest. [IXI, 2\/90]\n\n\tVirtual Technologies (703-430-9247) provides the entire X11R4 \ncompressed source release on a single QIC-24 quarter-inch cartridge and also on\n1.2meg or 1.44 meg floppies upon request. [Conor Cahill \n(cpcahil@virtech.uu.net) 2\/90]\n\n\tYoung Minds (714-335-1350) makes the R4 and GNU distributions available\non a full-text-indexed CD-ROM.\n\n[Note that some distributions are media-only and do not include docs.]\n\n\tX11R4 is ftp-able from export.lcs.mit.edu; these sites are preferable, \nthough, and are more direct:\n\n                        Machine                  Internet      FTP\n    Location            Name                     Address       Directory\n    --------            -------                  --------      -------------\n(1) West USA            gatekeeper.dec.com       16.1.0.2      pub\/X11\/R4\n    Central USA         mordred.cs.purdue.edu    128.10.2.2    pub\/X11\/R4\n(2) Central USA         giza.cis.ohio-state.edu  128.146.8.61  pub\/X.V11R4\n    Southeast USA       uunet.uu.net             192.48.96.2   X\/R4\n(3) Northeast USA       crl.dec.com              192.58.206.2  pub\/X11\/R4\n(4) UK Janet            src.doc.ic.ac.uk         129.31.81.36  X.V11R4\n    UK niftp            uk.ac.ic.doc.src                       <XV11R4>\n(5) Australia           munnari.oz.au            128.250.1.21  X.V11\/R4\n\nThe giza.cis.ohio-state.edu site, in particular, is known to have much of the\ncontrib stuff that can be found on export. \n\nThe release is available to DEC Easynet sites as CRL::\"\/pub\/X11\/R4\".\n\nSites in Australia may contact this address: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU [129.127.40.3]\nand check the directory pub\/X\/R4. The machine shadows export and archives\ncomp.sources.x. (Mark Prior, mrp@ucs.adelaide.edu.au, 5\/90)\n\nNote: a much more complete list is distributed as part of the introductory \npostings to comp.sources.x.\n\nA set of X11R4 binaries built by Tom Roell (roell@informatik.tu-muenchen.de) \nfor the 386\/ix will available from export.lcs.mit.edu in \/contrib and in \n\/pub\/i386\/X11R4 from 131.159.8.35 in Europe. Stephen Hite \n(shite@sinkhole.unf.edu) can also distribute to folks without ftp facilities \nvia disks sent SASE; contact him for USmail and shipping details. [12\/90] In \naddition, the binaries are available via uucp from szebra [1-408-739-1520, TB+ \n(PEP); ogin:nuucp sword:nuucp] in \/usr2\/xbbs\/bbs\/x.  In addition, the source is\non zok in \/usrX\/i386.R4server\/. [2\/91] In addition, if you are in the US, the \nlatest SVR4 binary (April 15), patches, and fonts are available on \npiggy.ucsb.edu (128.111.72.50) in the directory \/pub\/X386, same filenames as \nabove. (Please use after 6pm Pacific, as these are large files.) [5\/91]\n\nA set of HP 9000\/800 binaries is available on hpcvaaz.cv.hp.com (15.255.72.15)\nas ~ftp\/pub\/MitX11R4\/libs.x800.Z. [2\/91]\n\nA set of X11R4 binaries for the NeXT 2.x have been made available by Howie Kaye\non cunixf.cc.columbia.edu\n\nA set of binaries by John Coolidge (coolidge@cs.uiuc.edu) for the Mac running \nA\/UX 2.0 is available from wuarchive.wustl.edu in the file\n(\/archive\/systems\/aux\/X11R4\/Xupdate2.tar.Z). Also in X11R4\/diffs is a set of \npatches for making X11R4 with shared libraries with mkshlib.\n\nA complete distribution of SCO X11R4 binaries by Baruch Cochavy \n(blue@techunix.technion.ac.il) can be found on uunet. The server is Roell's \nX386 1.1b, compiled for ET4000 based SVGA boards.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  61)  Where can I get OSF\/Motif?\n\t\n\tYou can obtain either OSF\/Motif source or binaries from a number of \nvendors. \n\tMotif 1.2.2 source is now available; it is based on X11R5.\n\tMotif 1.1 is based on the R4.18 Intrinsics and is currently [7\/92] at \n1.1.5.\n\tAn OSF\/Motif source license must be obtained from OSF before source can\nbe obtained from the Open Software Foundation or any value-added vendor for\nany version. Call the Direct Channels Desk at OSF at 617-621-7300 for ordering \ninformation.\n\tVarious hardware vendors produce developer's toolkits of binaries, \nheader files, and documentation; check your hardware vendor, particularly if\nthat vendor is an OSF member. \n\tIn addition, independent binary vendors produce Motif toolkits for\nmachines for which Motif is not supported by a vendor; the kits include varied \nlevels of bug-fixing and support for shared libraries and are based on widely\ndivergent version of Motif:\n\tQuest (408-988-8880) sells kits for Suns, as well; \n\tIXI (+44 223 462 131) offers kits for Sun3 and Sun4. \n\tNSL (+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr) offers kits for the Sun 3 \nand Sun 4.\n\tBluestone Consulting makes a kit for Sun systems.\n\tICS (617-62-0060) makes several binary kits, notably for Sun, DEC.\n\tHP and DEC have announced support for Motif on Sun systems.\n\tUnipalm (+44-954-211-797) currently offers for Sun systems a Motif \nDevelopment Kit including X11R4 and based on Motif 1.1.2. The US distributor is\nExpert Object Corp (708-926-8500).\n\tBIM ships Motif 1.1 binaries for Suns. Shared library support is \nincluded. Contact Alain Vermeiren (av@sunbim.be) or Danny Backx (db@sunbim.be) \nat +32(2)759.59.25 (Fax : +32(2)759.47.95) (Belgium).\n\tSILOGIC (+33 61.57.95.95) ships Motif 1.2 and Motif 1.1 on Sun \nmachines.\n\tS.I. Systems offers Motif 1.2 for Solaris 2.1; info: 1-800-755-8649 in\nUSA and Canada.\n\tMetro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact\nADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333, UniVision (UK) Ltd. (44) 628 82 22 81) ships an \nimplementation of X11R4 and Motif 1.1.2 (including a shared-library \nimplementation of libXm.a) for the 386\/486 Unix market.  Motif 1.1.2 is \nalso available for Sun Sparc based workstations. It has also announced \nMotif 1.2 for Solaris systems.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  62)  Does Motif work with X11R4? X11R5?\n\n\tMotif 1.2 is based on X11R5.\n\tMotif 1.1, available in source form from OSF as of August 1990, uses \nthe \"vanilla\" X11R4 Intrinsics, where \"vanilla\" means \"with just a few \npatches\"; the file fix-osf which OSF distributes is obsoleted by MIT's patches \n15-17.  The file fix-osf-1.1.1 distributed with the 1.1.1 version or its \nsubsequent modification needs to be applied after MIT fix-18, though.\n\n\tMotif 1.1.1 to 1.1.3 will work with X11R5 if X11R5 is compiled with\n-DMOTIFBC; 1.1.4 and later should work with the vanilla R5, although there are \nsome known new geometry-management problems.\n\t\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  63)  Where can I get toolkits implementing OPEN LOOK?\n\n\tSun's XView has a SunView-style API. A version is on the X11R4 tape;\nthe latest [2\/92] 3.0 sources are on export in contrib\/xview3\/.\n\tXView and X binaries for the Sun 386i (\"roadrunner\") are available for \nftp from svin01.win.tue.nl (131.155.70.70), directory pub\/X11R4_386i.\n\tSupported binaries of XView 2.0 or 3.0 include: \n\nXView for non-Sun Platforms  (domestic and selected international vendors).\nSeveral are also available from Sun; contact your local sales office.\n\nAmiga\t\tGfxBase, Inc.\t\t1881 Ellwell Drive\n(AmigaDOS)\t(408) 262-1469\t\tMilpitas, CA 95035\n\t\tFax: (408) 262-8276\n\nSGI\nSony (NEWS-OS)\nIBM RS\/6000\nHP 9000\nDECstation\tUniPress Software\t2025 Lincoln Highway\n(Ultrix)\t(908) 985-8000\t\tEdison, NJ 08817\n\t\tFax: (908) 287-4929\n\n\t\tUniPress Software, Ltd.\t\tPO Box 70\n\t\t44-624-661-8850\t\t\tViking House\n\t\tFax: 44-624-663-453\t\tNelson Street\n\t\t\t\t\t\tDouglas, Isle of Man\n\t\t\t\t\t\tUnited Kingdom\n\nDEC VAXstation\tTGV\t\t\t603 Mission Street\n(VMS)\t\t(800) TGV-3440\t\tSanta Cruz, CA 95060\n\t\t(408) 427-4366\n\t\tFax: (408) 427-4365\n\n\t\tUnipalm Ltd.\t\t\t145-147 St. Neots Road\n\t\t44-0954-211797\t\t\tHardwick\n\t\tFax: 44-0954-211244\t\tCambridge CB3 7QJ\n\t\t\t\t\t\tEngland\n\nIntel 386\tQuarterdeck Office\t150 Pico Boulevard\n(DOS)\t\tSystems\t\t\tSanta Monica, CA 90405\n\t\t(213) 392-9851\n\t\tFax: (213) 399-3802\n\nIntel 386\tSunSoft Corporation\t6601 Center Drive West\n(Interactive\t310-348-8649\t\tSuite 700\n UNIX and\t\t\t\tLos Angeles, CA  90045\n SCO UNIX)\t\n\nStardent\tScripps Institute\tClinic MB-5\n(Stellix OS\tFax: (619) 554-4485\t10666 N. Torrey Pines Road\n and Titan OS)\tInclude mailstop MB-5\tLa Jolla, CA 92057\n\t\tBy ftp: 192.42.82.8 in pub\/binary\/{Xview.README,XView.tar.Z}\n\n\tAT&T's OPEN LOOK GUI 3.0 Xt-based toolkit is now generally available \n[2\/92]; contact 1-800-828-UNIX#544 for information. Binaries are produced\nfor SPARC systems by International Quest Corporation (408-988-8289). A version\nof the toolkit is also produced under the name OLIT by Sun. \n\tMore recent versions of OLIT have been ported to IBM 6000 and DEC MIPS \nby both UniPress and ICS. OLIT is also available for HP from Melillo Consulting\n(908-873-0075). MJM (Somerset, NJ) makes OLIT 4.0 for HP 7xx series running\nHPUX 8.0, DECstations, and RS\/6000s [thanks to Joanne Newbauer, \njo@attunix.att.com, 908-522-6677.]\n\n\tSun is shipping OpenWindows 3.0; contact your local sales \nrepresentative for more details; the package includes toolkit binaries and \nheader files.\n\n\tParcPlace's (formerly Solbourne's) extensible C++-based Object \nInterface Library, which supports run-time selection between Open Look or \nMotif, is available from 303-678-4626. [5\/92]\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  64)! Where can I get other X sources? (including R5 modifications)\n\n\tThe MIT Software Center ships the X Test Suite on tape.\n\n\tA multi-threaded version of Xlib based on X11R5 patch 12 is now \navailable for anonymous FTP from (new version 1\/93):\n        DEC on gatekeeper.dec.com (16.1.0.2) in \/pub\/X11\/contrib\/mt-xlib-1.1\n        MIT on export.lcs.mit.edu (18.24.0.12) in \/contrib\/mt-xlib-1.1\n\n\tHP has made available drivers to permit the building of the X11R5\nsample server on the HP 9000 Series 700 workstations; the files are on\nexport.lcs.mit.edu in ~ftp\/contrib\/R5.HP.SRV. [8\/92]\n\n\tUser-contributed software is distributed through the newsgroup\ncomp.sources.x, moderated by Chris Olson (chris@imd.sterling.com); also check \nthat group for posting information.\n\n\tRichard Hesketh (rlh2@ukc.ac.uk) has been creating a list of freely-\navailable X sources.  The list is stored on export.lcs.mit.edu in contrib as\nx-source-list.Z. It lists the main storage locations for the program and \ninternational sites from which it may be ftp'ed.\n\n\tThe machine export.lcs.mit.edu has a great deal of user-contributed\nsoftware in the contrib\/ directory; a good deal of it is present in current or \nearlier versions on the X11R3, X11R4, and X11R5 contrib tapes. There are also\ndirectories for fixes to contrib software.  The file on export in\ncontrib\/00-index.txt is a quick overall index of the software in that area,\nprovided by Daniel Lewart (d-lewart@uiuc.edu).\n\n\tThese sites used to and may still mirror export and are of particular \nuse for Australasia: Anonymous ftp: ftp.Adelaide.EDU.AU; ACSnet Fetchfile: \nsirius.ua.oz.\n\n\tThe material on giza.cis.ohio-state.edu, which tends to duplicate \nthe export archives, is also available via anonymous UUCP from osu-cis, at TB+ \nand V.32 speeds.  Write to uucp@cis.ohio-state.edu (same as osu-cis!uucp) for \ninstructions. [the archive is now maintained by Karl Kleinpaste]\n\n\tA new west-coast UUCP X11 Archive is administered by Mark Snitily \n(mark@zok.uucp) and contains the full X11 distribution, the XTEST\ndistribution, an entire archive of comp.sources.x and other goodies.\n\tThe machine zok has a TB+ modem which will connect to 19.2K, 2400, \n1200 baud (in that order).  The anonymous UUCP account is UXarch with password \nXgoodies.  The modem's phone number is 408-996-8285.\n\tA sample Systems (or L.sys) entry might be:\n   \t\tzok Any ACU 19200 4089968285 in:--in: UXarch word: Xgoodies\n\tTo get a current listing of the files that are available, download\nthe file \"\/usrX\/ls-lR.Z\".\n\tA full subject index of the comp.sources.x files is available in the\nfile \"\/usrX\/comp.sources.x\/INDEX\".\n\tThe machine has just the one modem, so please do not fetch large \namounts of data at one sitting.\n[courtesy Mark Snitily, 2\/90]\n\nIn addition, UUNET Source Archives (703-876-5050) tracks comp.sources.x and \nprovides 800MB+ of compressed programs on 6250 bpi tapes or 1\/4\" tapes.  It \nalso mirrors export\/contrib in its packages\/X directory.\n\t\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  65)! Where can I get interesting widgets?\n\n\tThe Free Widget Foundation (FWF) library sponsored by Brian Totty \n(totty@cs.uiuc.edu) is now [2\/93] available on a.cs.uiuc.edu (128.174.252.1) \nin pub\/fwf-v3.41.shar.Z. The set of widgets there is intended to form the basis\nfor future contributions. To be added to the discussion list, send to\nlistserv@cs.uiuc.edu a message saying \"subscribe <listname> <your-full-name>\"\nwhere <listname> is one of free-widgets-announce, free-widgets-development, or \nfree-widgets-bugs.  Version 3.4 is current; look for 4.0 in 4\/93.\n\tThe Xew widget set contains widgets for data representation.  Version \n1.2 [4\/93] is on export contrib\/Xew-1.2.tar.Z.\n\tPeter Ware's Xo \"Open Widget\" set, which has Motif-like functionality, \nis on archive.cis.ohio-state.edu as pub\/Xo\/Xo-2.1.tar.Z [8\/92].\n\tThe AthenaTools Plotter Widget Set Version 6-beta [7\/92] maintained by\nPeter Klingebiel (klin@iat.uni-paderborn.de) includes many graph and plotting \nwidgets; a copy is on export in plotter.v6b.tar.Z, plotter.doc.tar.Z,\nplotter.afm.tar.Z, and plotter.README. The latest versions may in fact be on\nftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32) in \/unix\/tools.\n\tAn advance version of Marc Quinton's Motif port of the FWF MultiList \nwidget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr:pub\/MultiList.tar.Z [143.196.9.31].\n\tAdditional widgets are available on the contrib\/ portion of the X11R4\ntapes; these include the Xcu set.\n\tPaul Johnston's (johnston@spc5.jpl.nasa.gov) X Control Panel widget set\nemulates hardware counterparts; sources are on export.lcs.mit.edu in \nXc-1.3.tar.Z.\n\tO'Reilly Volume 4, Doug Young's book, the Asente\/Swick book, and Jerry \nSmith's \"Object-oriented Programming with the X Window System Toolkits\" all \ninclude details on writing widgets and include several useful widgets; sources \nare typically on export and\/or UUNET. \n\tThe Dirt interface builder includes the libXukc widet set which extends\nthe functionality of Xaw. \n\tA graph widget and other 2D-plot and 3D-contour widgets by Sundar \nNarasimhan (sundar@ai.mit.edu) are available from ftp.ai.mit.edu as\n\/com\/ftp\/pub\/users\/sundar\/graph.tar.Z. The graph widget has been updated [3\/91]\nwith documentation and histogram capabilities.\n\tA graph widget is available from ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in\npub\/Graph.tar.Z; it uses a segment list for drawing and hence supports a zoom\noperation.\n\tKen Lee's Xm widget (demo) that uses Display PostScript to draw labels \nat a non-horizontal angle is on export in contrib\/dpslabel.tar.Z.\n\tThe Table widget (works like troff TBL tables) is available in several\nflavors, one of which is with the Widget Creation Library release.\n\tBell Communications Research has developed a Matrix widget for complex\napplication layouts; it's on export in contrib\/Xbae-widgets-3.8.tar.Z [2\/93. \nThe distribution also includes a \"caption\" widget to associate labels with \nparticular GUI components. (7\/92)\n\tDan Connolly's (connolly@convex.COM) XcRichText interprets RTF data;\nit's on export as contrib\/XcRichText-1.1.tar.Z.\n\tThe XmGraph Motif-based graphing widget is on iworks.ecn.uiowa.edu in\n\/comp.hp\/GUI_classic\/XmGraph.tar.Z although it may not be stable.\n\tA TeX-style Layout widget by Keith Packard is described in the \nproceedings of the 7th MIT Technical Conference (O'Reilly X Resource volume 5);\nsource is available on export contrib\/Layout.tar.Z.\n\n\tA version of Lee Iverson's (leei@McRCIM.McGill.EDU) image-viewing tool\nis available as contrib\/vimage-0.9.3.tar.Z on export.lcs.mit.edu.  The package \nalso includes an ImageViewPort widget and a FileDialog widget. [12\/91;5\/92] \n\tIn addition, the PEXt toolkit by Rich Thomson (rthomson@dsd.es.com) is \navailable on export as PEXt.tar.Z; it includes a PEX widget making it easier to\nuse PEX in Xt-based programs.\n\tA Motif port of the Xaw clock widget is in ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr\nin pub\/Clock.tar.Z.\n\tA modification of the Xaw ScrollBar widget which supports the arrowhead\nstyle of other toolkits is on export in contrib\/Xaw.Scrollbar.mta.Z.\n\n\tA beta 0.3 (11\/92) release of the R5 Xaw widgets with a 3D visual \nappearance by Kaleb Keithley (kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov) is available on export \nin contrib\/Xaw3d\/R5\/Xaw3d-0.3.tar.Z. The library, which is binary-compatible \nwith the MIT Xaw, implements a 3D subclass which handles the extra drawing.\n\nAlso:\n\tThe Xmt \"Motif Tools\", Dovetail Systems's shareware library of 9 \nwidgets and many convenience functions, is available from \nexport.lcs.mit.edu:contrib and ftp.ora.com:\/pub\/xbook\/Xmt in xmt-README and \nxmt-1.0.tar.Z.\n\tThe Xtra XWidgets set includes widgets for pie and bar charts, XY \nplots, Help, spreadsheets, data entry forms, and line and bar graphs.  Contact \nGraphical Software Technology at 310-328-9338 (info@gst.com) for information.\n\tThe XRT\/graph widget, available for Motif, XView and OLIT, displays\nX-Y plots, bar and pie charts, and supports user-feedback, fast updates and\nPostScript output. Contact KL Group Inc. at 416-594-1026 (info@klg.com).\n\tA set of data-entry widgets for Motif is available from Marlan \nSoftware, 713-467-1458 (gwg@world.std.com).\n\tA set of graph widgets is available from Expert Database Systems\n(212-370-6700).\n\tA set of OSF\/Motif compound widgets and support routines for 2D\nvisualization is available from Ms Quek Lee Hian, National Computer Board,\nRepublic of Singapore; Tel : (65)7720435; Fax : (65)7795966; \nleehian@iti.gov.sg, leehian@itivax.bitnet.\n\tThe ICS Widget Databook includes a variety of control widgets and \nspecial-purpose widgets, available on a variety of platforms.  Information: \n617-621-0060, info@ics.com.\n\tInformation on graphing tools may be obtained from info@TomSawyer.com \n(+1-510-848-0853, fax: +1-510-848-0854).\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  66)  Where can I get a good file-selector widget?\n\n\tThe Free Widget Foundation set offers a FileSelector widget, with \nseparate directory path and file listing windows, and the FileComplete, which\nhas emacs-style file completion and ~ expansion. \n\tOther available file-requestor widgets include the XiFileSelector from \nIris Software's book, the xdbx file-selector extracted by David Nedde \n(daven@wpi.wpi.edu), and the FileNominator from the aXe distribution.\n\tThe GhostView, Xfig, and vimage packages also include file-selector \nwidgets.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  67)  What widget is appropriate to use as a drawing canvas?\n\n\tSome widget sets have a widget particularly for this purpose -- a\nWorkSpace or DrawingArea which doesn't display anything but lets your Xt \napplication know when it has been re-exposed, resized, and when it has received\nuser key and mouse input. \n\tThe best thing to do for other widget sets -- including the Athena set \n-- is to create or obtain such a widget; this is preferable to drawing into a \ncore widget and grabbing events with XtAddEventHandler(), which loses a number \nof benefits of Xt and encapsulation of the functionality .  \n\tAt least one version has been posted to comp.sources.x (name???). \n\tThe publicly-available programs xball and xpic include other versions. \n\tThe Athena Widget manual (mit\/doc\/Xaw\/Template in the R5 distribution) \nincludes a tutorial and source code to a simple widget which is suitable for \nuse. \n\tThe Free Widget Foundation set contains a Canvas widget.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  68)  What is the current state of the world in X terminals?\n\nJim Morton (jim@applix.com) posts quarterly to comp.windows.x a list of \nmanufacturers and terminals; it includes pricing information. \n\nNotable buyers-guide surveys include:\n\t- the September 1991 issue of Systems Integration\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  69)  Where can I get an X server with a touchscreen or lightpen?\n\n\tLabtam (+61 3 587 1444, fax +61 3 580 5581) offers a 19\" Surface \nAcoustic Wave touch-screen option on its Xengine terminals.\n\tTektronix (1-800-225-5434) provides an X terminal with the Xtouch \ntouch-screen. This terminal may also be resold through Trident Systems\n(703-273-1012).\n\tMetro Link (305-970-7353) supports the EloGraphics Serial Touch Screen \nControllers.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  70)  Where can I get an X server on a PC (DOS or Unix)?\n\n\tMIT X11R5 already provides a server to many 386\/486 *Unixes* with \nsupport for many of the popular video graphics adapters; and for other \nnon-MSDOS PCs you can obtain a server from these sources:\n\n\tXFree86 (formerly X386 1.2E) is an enhanced version of X386 1.2, which \nwas distributed with X11R5; it includes many bug fixes, speed improvements, and\nother enhancements. Source for version 1.2 [2\/93] is on export.lcs.mit.edu in \npub\/contrib, ftp.physics.su.oz.au in \/X386, and ftp.win.tue.nl in \/pub\/X386. In\naddition, binaries are on ftp.physics.su.oz.au, and ftp.win.tue.nl among other \nsystems. Info: x386@physics.su.oz.au.\n\tNote: this package obsoletes Glenn Lai's Speedup patches for an \nenhanced X11R5 server for 386 UNIXes with ET4000 boards (SpeedUp.tar.Z on \nexport).\n\n\n\tMetro Link Inc. (305-970-7353, sales@metrolink.com; in Europe contact\nADNT, (33 1) 3956 5333) ships an implementation of X11R4 for the 386\/486 Unix\nmarket.\n\n\tSGCS offers X386 Version 1.3, based on Thomas Roell's X11R5 two-headed\nserver, in binary and source form. Information: 408-255-9665, info@sgcs.com.\n\n\tISC, SCO, UHC, and other well-known operating-system vendors typically\noffer X servers.\n\n\tFor MSDOS PCs:\n\nDaniel J. McCoy (mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov) has started posting monthly a \nlist of non-UNIX servers for PCs, Macs, and Amigas; it includes pricing \ninformation. The current copy is kept on export in contrib as \nXServers-NonUNIX.txt.Z. \n\nAn article on PC X servers appears in the March 2, 1992 Open Systems Today.\n\n\tAlso of possible use:\n\n\tNet-I from Programit (212-809-1707) enables communication among \nDOS, OS\/2 and Unix machines and can be used to display PC sessions on your\nUnix X display.\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  71)  Where can I get an X server on a Macintosh running MacOS?\n\n\teXodus from White Pine Software (603-886-9050) runs on any Mac with\nat least 1MB of memory and runs the X server within a standard Macintosh \nwindow.  Version 3.0 [6\/91] supports intermixing of X and Mac windows and\nthe ADSP protocol. The version supports the SHAPE extension and includes\nDECwindows support.\n\n\tApple's MacX runs on MacPlus or newer machines with >= 2MB of memory\nand system software 6.0.4 or later. Version 1.1 is fully X11R4-based.  It \nsupports full ICCCM-compatible cut and paste of text AND graphics between the \nMacintosh and X11 worlds, the SHAPE extension (including SHAPEd windows on the \nMacintosh desktop), an optional built-in ICCCM-compliant window manager, X11R4 \nfonts and colors, a built-in BDF font compiler, and built-in standard \ncolormaps. Upgrades to MacX are available by ftp from aux.support.apple.com. \nInfo: 408-996-1010.  \n\t[Note: MacX is also the name of a vax-mac xmodem transfer utility.]\n\n\tAlso: \n\n\tLiken (1-800-245-UNIX or info@qualix.com) software enables monochrome\n68000 Mac applications to run on a SPARC system running X. \n\tXport (1-800-245-UNIX (415-572-0200) or xport@qualix.com) enables Mac \napplications to display on an X-based workstation by turning the Mac into an X \nclient.\n\tIntercon has a product called Planet-X which enables Mac applications\nto display on an X server.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  72)  Where can I get X for the Amiga?\n\n\tThe new Amiga 3000 machines offer an X server and OPEN LOOK tools and\nlibraries on a full SVR4 implementation.\n\n        GfxBase, Inc. provides \"X11 R4.1\" for the AmigaDos computer; it \ncontains X11R4 clients, fonts, etc., and a Release 4 color server. An optional \nprogrammer's toolkit includes the header files, libraries, and sample programs.\nInfo from GfxBase, 408-262-1469. [Dale Luck \n(uunet!{cbmvax|pyramid}!boing!dale); 2\/91]\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  73)  Where can I get a fast X server for a workstation?\n\n\tThe R5 server should be among the fastest available for most machines.\n\n\tSun sells a \"Direct Xlib\" product which improves rendering for \napplications running on the same machine as the X server; the replacement Xlib\nlibrary accesses graphics hardware directly using Sun's Direct Graphics Access \n(DGA) technology.\n\n\tInternational Quest Corporation (408-988-8289) has an optimized R4 \nserver for Sun3\/4 under SunOS 4.0.\n\n\tUnipalm have R4 Servers for Sun3 and Sparc platforms. These are \noptimised to use graphics hardware and will run with Sunview. Information:\n+44 954 211797 or xtech@unipalm.co.uk.\n\n\tXgraph's Xtool (408-492-9031) is an X server implemented in SunView \nwhich boasts impressive results on Sun 3 and SPARC systems. [6\/90]\n\nSeveral companies are making hardware accellerator boards:\n\n\tDupont Pixel Systems (302-992-6911), for Sun.\n\n\tMegatek's (619-455-5590) X-cellerator board for the Sun 3 and Sun 4 is \nbased on the TI 34020; the company claims performance improvements of 5x to \n10x over the sample X11R3 server.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  74)! Where can I get a server for my high-end Sun graphics board?\n\n        Takahashi Naoto (Electrotechnical Laboratory, ntakahas@etl.go.jp) has \nmodified the MIT X11R5 server to support the Sun CG8, CG9, and CG12 boards.  \nThe files are on export in contrib\/Xsun24-3.[01].tar.Z.  Note that both files \nare necessary to build Xsun24-3.1.\n\n\tThe JPL R5 Xsun Multi-screen server is a general purpose replacement\nfor the MIT server\/ddx\/sun layer; it provides for the screen to be split among\nseveral monitors and implements several other features above the MIT \nimplementation. Available on export.lcs.mit.edu in the file\ncontrib\/R5.Xsun.multi-screen.tar.Z. [Kaleb Keithley, kaleb@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov,\n12\/91; the file was updated 24 Mar 1993.]\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  75)  Where can I get an \"X terminal\" server for my low-end Sun 3\/50?\n\n\tSeth Robertson (seth@ctr.columbia.edu) has written Xkernel; the current\nversion [1.4 as of 8\/91, 2.0 expected RSN] is on sol.ctr.columbia.edu \n[128.59.64.40] in \/pub\/Xkernel.gamma. It turns a Sun 3\/50 into a pseudo- X \nterminal; most of the overhead of the operating system is side-stepped, so it \nis fairly fast and needs little disk space.\n\tA similar approach is to run the regular X server by making \/etc\/init\na shell script which does the minimal setup and then invokes Xsun, like this\nexample script from mouse@larry.mcrcim.mcgill.EDU:\n\n#! \/bin\/sh\nexec >\/dev\/console 2>&1\n\/etc\/fsck -p \/dev\/nd0\ncase $? in\n \t0)\t;;\n \t4)\t\/etc\/reboot -q -n\n \t\t;;\n \t8)\techo ND fsck failed - get help\n \t\t\/etc\/halt\n \t\t;;\n \t12)\techo Interrupted\n \t\t\/etc\/reboot\n \t\t;;\n \t*)\techo Unknown error in reboot fsck - get help\n \t\t\/etc\/halt\n \t\t;;\nesac\n\/bin\/dd if=\/tmp-fs of=\/dev\/nd2 bs=512 count=128 >\/dev\/null 2>&1\n\/etc\/mount \/dev\/nd2 \/tmp\n\/etc\/ifconfig le0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 132.206.41.255\n\/etc\/mount -o ro apollo:\/u2\/x11\/lib \/local\/lib\/X11\n\/etc\/route add default 132.206.41.1 1 >\/dev\/null\nset `\/etc\/ifconfig le0`\nexec \/Xsun -once -multidisp -mux -query \\\n\t`(sh -vn <\/local\/lib\/X11\/xdm-servers\/$2 2>&1)`\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  76)  What terminal emulators other than xterm are available?\n\n\tPCS has rewritten xterm from scratch using a multi-widget approach that\ncan be used by applications. A version is on the R5 contrib tape and on\nexport in contrib\/emu.tar.Z [10\/91]. For more information, contact \nme@dude.pcs.com.\n\n\tmxterm, a Motif-based xterm is available from the Paderborner \nftp-Server ftp@uni-paderborn.de (131.234.2.32), file \n\/unix\/X11\/more_contrib\/mxterm.tar.Z.\n\n\tThe Color Terminal Widget provides ANSI-terminal emulation compatible\nwith the VTx00 series; a version is on export in contrib\/CTW-1.1.tar.Z. A\nMotif version is on ftp.stna7.stna.dgac.fr in pub\/Term-1.0.tar.Z.\n\t\n\tkterm 4.1.2 is an X11R4-based vt100\/vt102 (and Tektronix 4014) terminal\nemulator that supports display of Chinese, Japanese, and Korean text (in VT \nmode).  Also supported are: ANSI color sequences, multi-byte word selection, \nlimited Compound Text support, and tab and newline preservation in selections.\nkterm 4.1.2 is also available from these anonymous ftp sites:\n\tclr.nmsu.edu:pub\/misc\/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z  [128.123.1.14]\n\texport.lcs.mit.edu:contrib\/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z  [18.24.0.12]\n\tkum.kaist.ac.kr:pub\/unix\/Xstuffs\/kterm-4.1.2.tar.Z  [137.68.1.65]\n[courtesy of Mark Leisher <mleisher@nmsu.edu> ]\n\n\tkterm-5.1.1.tar.Z is now on export [12\/92].\n\n\tmterm, by mouse@larry.McRCIM.McGill.EDU, is an X terminal emulator\nwhich includes ANSI X3.64 and DEC emulation modes.  mterm can be had by ftp to \nlarry.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (132.206.1.1), in X\/mterm.src\/mterm.ball-o-wax.\n\n\tCxterm is a Chinese xterm, which supports both GB2312-1980 and the \nso-called Big-5 encoding.  Hanzi input conversion mechanism is builtin in \ncxterm.  Most input methods are stored in external files that are loaded at run\ntime.  Users can redefine any existing input methods or create their own ones.\nThe X11R5 cxterm is the rewritten of cxterm (version 11.5.1) based on X11R5 \nxterm; it is in the R5 contrib software.  [thanks to Zhou Ning \n<zhou@tele.unit.no> and Steinar Bang <uunet!idt.unit.no!steinarb>.]\n\n\tXVT is available on export's contrib in xvt-1.0.tar.Z and \nxvt-1.0.README. It is designed to offer xterm's functionality with lower swap \nspace and may be of particular use on systems driving many X terminals.\n\n\tx3270 is in X11R5 contrib\/.\n\nAlso:\n\tIBM sells a 3270 emulator for the RS\/6000 (part #5765-011); it's based\non Motif. \n\t\n\tCentury Software (801-268-3088) sells a VT220 terminal emulator for X. \nVT102, Wyse 50 and SCO Color Console emulation are also available. \n\n\tGrafpoint's TGRAF-X provides emulation of Tektronix 4107, 4125, and \n42xx graphics terminals; it's available for most major platforms. Information\n(inc. free demo copies): 800-426-2230; Fax. 408-446-0666; uunet!grafpnt!sales.\n\n\tIXI's X.deskterm, a package for integrating character-based \napplications into an X environment, includes a number of terminal-emulation\nmodules. Information: +44 (0223) 462131. [5\/90]\n\n\tPericom produces Teem-X, a set of several emulation packages for a\nnumber of Tek, DEC, Westward, and Data General terminals. The software runs on\nSun 3, Sun 4, Apollo, DEC, ISC, IBM\/AIX. Information: US: 609-895-0404, \nUK: +44 (0908) 560022. [5\/90]\n\n\tSCO's SCOterm (info@sco.COM), part of its Open Desktop environment, is\na Motif-compliant SCO ANSI color console emulator.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  77)! Where can I get an X-based editor or word-processor?\n\n\tYou can ftp a version of GNU Emacs, the extensible, customizable, \nself-documenting, real-time display editor, including X11 support, from\nprep.ai.mit.edu [18.71.0.38]:\/pub\/gnu\/emacs-18.59.tar.Z or\ninformatik.tu-muenchen.de:\/pub\/GNU\/emacs\/emacs-18.59.tar.Z.\n\t\n\tEpoch is a modified version of Gnu Emacs (18) with additional \nfacilities useful in an X environment. Current sources are on cs.uiuc.edu \n(128.174.252.1) in ~ftp\/pub\/epoch-files\/epoch; the current [3\/92] version is \n4.0. [In Europe, try unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de].  There are two \nsubdirectories:  epoch contains the epoch source, and gwm contains the source \nto the programmable window manager GWM, with which epoch works well.] \nYou can get on the Epoch mailing list by sending a request to \nepoch-request@cs.uiuc.edu.\n\n\tLucid Emacs is a version of GNU Emacs derived from an early version of\nEmacs version 19.  It currently requires X Windows to run;  X support is\ngreatly enhanced over GNU Emacs version 18, including support for multiple X\nwindows, input and display of all ISO-8859-1 (Latin1) characters, Zmacs\/Lispm\nstyle region highlighting, a customizable Motif-like menubar, more powerful\nkeymap support, flexible text attributes, support on regional and screen-local\nbasis through X resources and\/or lisp, and support for the X11 selection\nmechanism. Lucid Emacs is free; the latest version (2\/93) is 19.4, and is\navailable from labrea.stanford.edu in the pub\/gnu\/lucid\/ directory.\n\n\tThe Andrew system on the X11 contrib tapes has been described as one of\nthe best word-processing packages available. It supports word processing with \nmulti-media embedded objects: rasters, tables\/spread sheets, drawings, style \neditor, application builder, embedded programming language, &c. Release 5.1 \nbecame available 2 June 92.  [Fred Hansen (wjh+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU)]\n\tYou may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this \nsoftware; try \"finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu\" for help.\n\n\tThe InterViews C++ toolkit contains a WYSIWIG editor called Doc; it \nsaves and loads files in a LaTeX-*like* format (not quite LaTeX).  The package \ncan also import idraw-PostScript drawings.\n\n\tA simple editor aXe (by J.K.Wight@newcastle.ac.uk) is available on \nexport and arjuna.newcastle.ac.uk (128.240.150.1) as aXe-4.1.tar.Z [3\/93]. It \nis based around the Xaw Text widget.\n\n\tTED is a simple Motif-based text editor; it is a wrapper around the \nMotif text widget which offers search\/replace, paragraph formatting, and \nnavigation features. TED is available from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) as \n\/pub\/bill.tar.Z; here are also executables there.\n\n\tPoint, by crowley@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Charlie Crowley), is Tcl\/Tk-based\nand offers dyanimic configuration and programming in the Tcl macro language.\nThe editor is available from unmvax.cs.unm.edu (129.24.16.1) as\npub\/Point\/point1.1-tar.Z.\n\n\tasedit, by Andrzej Stochniol (astoch@ic.ac.uk) is on export in \ncontrib\/asedit.tar.Z. It is a simple text editor built around the Motif Text \nwidget. Version 1.11 was released 1\/93.\n\nAlso:\n\n\tElan Computer Group (Mountain View, CA; 415-964-2200) has announced the\nAvalon Publisher 2.0, an X11\/OPEN LOOK WYSIWYG electronic publishing system.\n\n\tFrameMaker and FrameWriter are available as X-based binary products for\nseveral machines. Frame is at 800-843-7263 (CA: 408-433-3311).\n\n\tWX2 (formerly InDepthEdit) is available from Non Standard Logics \n(+33 (1) 43 36 77 50; requests@nsl.fr).\n\n\tBuzzwords International Inc. has an editor called 'Professional Edit' \nthat runs under X\/Motif for various platforms.  Info: +1-314-334-6317.\n\n\tDECwrite is available from DEC for some DEC hardware and SunWrite is\navailable from Sun.\n\n\tIslandWrite will soon be available from Island Graphics (415-491-1000) \n(info@island.com) for some HP & Apollo platforms.\n\n\tInterleaf is currently available from Interleaf (800-241-7700, \nMA: 617-577-9800) on all Sun and DEC platforms; others are under development.\n\n\tThe Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX, \nMA: 508-870-0300) include a multi-font WYSIWG document composer; for several \nsystems.\n\n\tArborText, Inc. provides an X11 version of its Electronic Publishing \nprogram called \"The Publisher\". The Publisher is available on Sun, HP and \nApollo workstations. Contact Arbortext at 313-996-3566. [5\/90]\n\n\tIris Computing Laboratories offers the \"ie\" editor. Info:  \n+1-505-988-2670 or info@spectro.com.\n\n\tBBN\/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a menu-driven word\nprocessor with multiple fonts and style sheets.  It supports X on\nmultiple platforms. (617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com) [11\/90]\n\n\tThe powerful \"sam\" editor by Rob Pike is split into a host portion and \na front-end graphics portion, which now has an X implementation.  sam is now \navailable by anonymous ftp from research.att.com, in dist\/sam\/bundle.Z.  Watch \nthat space for updated versions.  There is a mailing list for sam users; \nrequests to <sam-fans-request@hawkwind.utcs.toronto.edu>. A set of extensions\nwhich augment the mouse activity with the keyboard is available from \nuxc.cso.uiuc.edu in pub\/sam\/samx1.0.shar.\n\n\tInnovative Solutions (505-883-4252; or Brian Zimbelman, \nis!brian@bbx.basis.com) publishes the user-configurable Motif-based Xamine \neditor.\n\n\tQualix offers a product. Information: info@qualix.com or 800-245-UNIX \n(415-572-0200).\n\n\tTypex is a Motif-based editor available for several systems. \nInformation: Amcad Research, 408-867-5705, fax -6209.\n\n\tWordPerfect offers an X-based version of WordPerfect 5.1 for several\nworkstations. Information: 801-222-5300 or 800-451-5151.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  78)  Where can I get an X-based mailer?\n\n\txmh, an X interface to mh, is distributed with the X11 release.\n\n\tXmail is an X-based window interface to Berkeley-style mail handlers;\nit is styled primarily after the Sunview mailtool application and builds on\nmost Unix systems. The current release [1\/92] is 1.4, available in the MIT \nX11R5 contrib tape and from export and uunet. Info: Jeff Markham,\nmarkham@cadence.com.\n\n\tMMH (My Mail Handler), a motif interface to the MH mail handler, is \navailable from ftp.eos.ncsu.edu (152.1.9.25) in pub\/bill.tar.Z; it is bundled\nwith the TED editor, which it uses for composing messages. Motif 1.1 is \nrequired; if you don't have it, look for DEC and SPARC executables in the same \nplace.  Information and problems to: Erik Scott, escott@eos.ncsu.edu. [1\/92]\n\n\tThe Andrew Toolkit supports the Andrew Message System; it is available\nfrom export and many other X archives and from emsworth.andrew.cmu.edu \n(128.2.30.62), or send email to susan+@andrew.cmu.edu. Release 5.1 became\navailable 2 June 92.\n\tYou may be able to use the Remote Andrew Demo service to try this \nsoftware; try \"finger help@atk.itc.cmu.edu\" for help.\n\n\tXMailTool is an Xaw-based interface to a BSD-style mail reader; version\n2.0 was released 9\/92. Information: Bob Kierski, bobo@cray.com or 612-683-5874.\n\n\tCem is a Motif-based mailer using standard mailbox formats; it is on\nnelson.tx.ncsu.edu in pub\/Cem. Information: Sam Moore (Sam_Moore@ncsu.edu).\n\nAlso:\n\n        Alfalfa Software offers Poste, a UNIX-based mailer that has Motif- and \ncommand-based interfaces.  It includes support for multimedia enclosures, and \nsupports both the Internet and X.400 mail standards.  Information: \ninfo@alfalfa.com, +1 617-497-2922.\n\n\tZ-Code Software offers Z-Mail for most Unix systems; binaries support\nboth tty and Motif interfaces. The mailer includes a csh-like scripting \nlanguage for customizing and extending mail capabilities.  Information: \ninfo@z-code.com, +1 415 499-8649.\n\n\tSeveral vendors' systems include X-based mailers. DEC offers dxmail; \nSun offers an X-based mailtool; SCO (info@sco.com) includes SCOmail in its Open\nDesktop product.\n\nSeveral integrated office-productivity tools include mailers:\n\n\tThe Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX, \nMA: 508-870-0300) include a mailer.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\nSubject:  79)! Where can I get an X-based paint\/draw program?\n\n\txpic is an object-oriented drawing program. It supports multiple font \nstyles and sizes and variable line widths; there are no rotations or zooms.\nxpic is quite suitable as an interactive front-end to pic, though the \nxpic-format produced can be converted into PostScript. (The latest version is \non the R4 contrib tape in clients\/xpic.)\n\n\txfig (by Brian V. Smith (bvsmith@lbl.gov)) is an object-oriented \ndrawing program supporting compound objects.  The xfig format can be converted \nto PostScript or other formats. Recent versions are on the R5 contrib tape or \non export in \/contrib\/R5fixes (version 2.1.6 [11\/92]).\n\n        idraw supports numerous fonts and various line styles and arbitrary \nrotations. It supports zoom and scroll and color draws and fills. The file \nformat is a PostScript dialect. It can import TIFF files. Distributed as a part\nof the InterViews C++ toolkit (current release 3.1, from \ninterviews.stanford.edu) .\n\n\tA version of Robert Forsman's (thoth@lightning.cis.ufl.edu) xscribble,\nan 8-bit paint program for X, is now on ftp.cis.ufl.edu in pub\/thoth\/. [2\/93]\n\n\txpaint is available from ftp.ee.lbl.gov as xpaint.tar.Z.\n\tA rewrite, Xpaint 2.0, by David Koblas (koblas@netcom.com) was released\n2\/93 as xpaint2pl3.tar.Z. xpaint is a bitmap\/pixmap editing tool.\n\n\tA new OpenWindows PostScript-based graphical editor named 'ice' is now \n[2\/91] available for anonymous ftp from Internet host lamont.ldgo.columbia.edu \n(129.236.10.30).  ice (Image Composition Environment) is an imaging tool that\nallows raster images to be combined with a wide variety of PostScript \nannotations in WYSIWYG fashion via X11 imaging routines and NeWS PostScript \nrasterizing. (It may require OpenWindows and Sun C++ 2.0.)\n\n\ttgif by William Cheng (william@oahu.cs.ucla.edu) is available from most\nuucp sites and also from export and from cs.ucla.edu. It is frequently updated;\nversion 2.12-patch18 was released 3\/93.\n\n\tThe \"pixmap\" program (info: colas@sa.inria.fr) for creating pixmaps is \non the R5 contrib tape; it resembles the bitmap client. Version 2.1 is now \navailable. [11\/92]\n\n\tAlthough MetaCard is not generally classified as a paint program, a \nfull 24-bit color image editor is built into the program, which can be used for\nlight image editing and for producing color icons (info@metacard.com). MetaCard\nis available via anonymous FTP from ftp.metacard.com, csn.org, or \n128.138.213.21.\n\t\n\tpixt by J. Michael Flanery produces XPM output.\n\nAlso:\n\n\tdxpaint is a bitmap-oriented drawing program most like MacPaint; it's \ngood for use by artists but commonly held to be bad for drawing figures or \ndrafting. dxpaint is part of DEC's Ultrix release.\n\n\tFrameMaker has some draw capabilities. [4\/90]\n\n\tBBN\/Slate from BBN Software Products includes a full-featured draw and\npaint program with object grouping and multiple patterns; multiple X platforms.\n(617-873-5000 or slate-offer@bbn.com). [11\/90]\n\n\tDux Ta-Dah!, 1-800-543-4999\n\n\tIslandGraphics offers IslandDraw, IslandPaint, IslandPresent.\nInfo: 415-491-1000.\n\n\tCorel Draw, 613-728-8200; ported to X by Prior Data Sciences \n800-267-2626\n\n\tArts&Letters Composer, 214-661-8960\n\n\tFicor AutoGraph, 513-771-4466\n\n\tOpenWindows includes the olpixmap editor.\n\tSCO ODT includes the SCOpaint editor.\n\tHP VUE includes the vueicon editor.\n\nSeveral integrated office-productivity tools include draw\/paint capabilities:\n\n\tThe Aster*x office integration tools from Applix (1-800-8APPLIX, \nMA: 508-870-0300) include draw\/paint capabilities.\n\n[thanks in part to Stephen J. Byers (af997@cobcs1.cummins.com) and to \nJ. Daniel Smith (dsmith@ann-arbor.applicon.slb.com)]\n\t\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nDavid B. Lewis \t\t\t\t\tfaq%craft@uunet.uu.net\n\n\t\t\"Just the FAQs, ma'am.\" -- Joe Friday \n-- \nDavid B. Lewis\t\tTemporarily at but not speaking for Visual, Inc.\nday: dbl@visual.com\tevening: david%craft@uunet.uu.net\n","1460":"From: rmf@bpdsun1.uucp (Rob Finley)\nSubject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's)\nOrganization: Harris Allied Broadcast Div., Quincy, IL\nLines: 22\n\n\nIntel also makes some neat memory and peripheral chips:\n\nOld technology (early 1980's)  \n8155  ram plus IO (slow ram as I recall)\n8755  eprom plus IO (expensive and slow)\n\n\nIntel does make Eproms with built in address latches.\nI fear that you would need a very flexible and up-to-date eprom\nprogrammer to write to them.\n\ngive them a call.  I am not able to locate their memory products book\nyet.\n\n\n\nSigh...  Now, who borrowed it...\n\nRobert\n\n\n","1461":"From: kirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu (Dave 'Almost Cursed the Jays' Kirsch)\nSubject: Re: Jose Canseco's swing - 1992 vs. 1986.\nNntp-Posting-Host: staff.tc.umn.edu\nOrganization: Li'l Carlos and the Hormones\nLines: 68\n\nIn article <C5r5B8.D1u@ucdavis.edu> ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary 'Man From'\nVillanueva Huckabay) writes:\n>\n>It's certainly not very easy.  What I do is use frame advance on the tape,\n>and simply count the frames.  Five times, and try to throw out any outliers.\n>It's not perfect, but it's better than a blow to the head with a large\n>metal object.\n\n  Ah, so you finally found a use for that super slo-mo and frame advance\nother than scrutinizing \"Sorority Babes in Heat\". Congrats! \n\n>I wish I had FILMS instead of tapes, preferably at 48fps rather than 24,\n>but while I'm at it, I'd like to have ten million dollars, and be able\n>to eat anything I want and never gain any weight, either.\n\n  Trust me, you'd have a helluva time manipulating them. Besides, if you\nconverted the film to video you'd have all kinds of artifacts because of the\ndifference in frame rate (unless you're an expert at doing 3\/2 pulldown for\na laserdisc company or something). \n\n>Gary's list of the ten slowest bats in baseball:\n\n  Hey, no fair! What about 'Fettucine' Alfredo Griffin? The guy practically\nhas to pivot the bat around along with his body. \n\n>Gary's list of \"How the HELL can he hit like that?\"\n>\n>1.  Julio Franco\n>2.  Phil Plantier\n>9.  Darren Daulton\n\n  Daulton doesn't strike me as all that strange. He's a little bit quiet at \nthe plate but, like Franco, gets the bat through the hitting zone on a level\nplane. The first time I watched Julio Franco, I didn't think *anyone* could\nhit like that. Now I marvel at how easy he makes it look; every time he makes\ncontact, it's *solid*. He's got good power to all fields and rarely is he\ncaught not ready for a pitch. \n\n  I wonder if Phil Plantier had a severe bout with hemorrhoids and had to\npractice his swing while 'on the throne'? :-) Sure looks like it :-) \n\n  How 'bout one to add to your list: Travis Fryman? The guy plants his front\nfoot and seems to swing *across* his body. He generates a lot of power, but\nI keep thinking he could generate even more if he could get a better pivot\nout of his hips. \n\n>Gary's list of \"I'd give Dave Kirsch's kidneys to have a swing like that.\"\n\n  Well, they're already spoken for (by several people), but .. \n\n  I'd add Robbie Alomar's name to the list, among others. I really like Dean\nPalmer's swing, for some twisted reason, as well as Pedro Munoz's swing. \n\n>That's all for now.  I'm looking at Derrick May's tapes tonight, along\n>with Troy Neel's.  That guy is a serious ox.\n\n  A thought about May: It looks like they've taught him to turn on the ball.\nIMHO, he's going to fall in love with his newfound power and start pulling\noff the ball to the point that he's going to see *lots* of sinkers\/sliders\nlow and away. Unless he adjusts quickly and starts rifling doubles to left \nand left-center, IMHO you're going to see a good number of weak grounders to \nthe right side of the infield in the next month. \n\n-- \nDave Hung Like a Jim Acker Slider Kirsch      Blue Jays - Do it again in '93 \nkirsch@staff.tc.umn.edu                        New .. quotes out of context!\n\"Not to beat a dead horse, but it's been a couple o' weeks .. this \n disappoints me..punishments..discharges..jackhammering..\" - Stephen Lawrence \n","1462":"From: m23364@mwunix.mitre.org (James Meritt)\nSubject: Re: Silence is concurance\nNntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org\nOrganization: MITRE Corporation, McLean VA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 76\n\nIn article <9157@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:\n}For those missing the context of this thrilling discussion between\n}Jim and I, Jim wrote the following to me in e-mail after I pointed out\n\nHate to shatter your self image of perfection that  you appear to hold, but\nyour language is wrong: Jim and me.\n\n}I pointed out that I did, in fact, agree that both Robert Weiss and\n}Jim Meritt took quotes out of context.  Hence, I find it difficult to\n}understand why Jim thinks I am a hypocrite.  Needless to say, I don't\n}have time to reply to *every* article on t.r.m. that takes a quote\n}out of context.  \n\nOf course not - just the ones you disagree with.  Q.E.D.\n\n}>}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for\n}>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a\n}>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context?\n}\n}Jim replied by saying \n}>Did I either ask or assert that?\n}\n}But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject\n\nSo?  As of then, and pointing out a specific instance.  Wrongo again.\n\n}>Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of\n}>something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual\n}>may be held responsible for that action?\n}\n}Which is, of course, a complete red herring.  Taking quotes out of\n}context isn't a crime.  I don't have time to read every article on\n}t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all.\n\nSo?  Check the newsgroups?\n\n}Does \"silence is concurrence\" imply that Jim thinks that because I\n}didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes\n}out of context?  Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this\n}question; read what he has written and decide for yourself.\n\nTelepathy again?  You claim to know what I \"want\".\n\n}But back to the context of my conversation with Jim.  Jim's next \n}gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he\n}concluded that I was being a hypocrite.  I challenged him to provide\n}the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion.\n\nNo.  YOu asked specifically what was wrong with yours.\n\n}Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help\n\nMaybe to the ignorant.  I accept your classification.\n\n}More red herrings.  Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large\n}number of my articles?  \n\nDo you know what \"uncountably large\" means?  It does not appear so.\n\n}Could Jim mean that because I \"axed\" his articles,\n}but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ...\n}Well, I can't see where he is going with this.\n\nI am not suprised.\n\n}But I can help him with his induction.  I've written roughly 80\n\nThat does not appear to be the case.  The appearance of your \"Argument\"\nis more like that Captain Kirk would have gotten from Mr. Spock - written\nby a stagehand at Paramount.\n\n}Think hard about this Jim.  See the pattern?  Think harder.  Run it\n}through your induction engine and see what pops out.  \n\nOf course.  You appear arrogant.  So?  I already had figured that out.\n\n","1463":"From: kthompso@donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM (Ken Thompson)\nSubject: Re: 68HC11 problem\nOrganization: NCR Corporation Wichita, KS\nLines: 21\n\nmdanjou@gel.ulaval.ca (Martin D'Anjou) writes:\nB\n)>>>>>>>>> Votre host est mal configure... <<<<<<<<<<<<\n\n\n)Bonjour Sylvain,\n)\tJ'ai travaille avec le hc11 il y a 3 ans et je ne me souviens pas de toutes les possibilites mais je vais quand meme essayer de t'aider.\n\n)\tJe ne crois pas que downloader une programme directement dans le eeprom soit une bonne idee (le eeprom a une duree de vie limitee a 10 000 cycles il me semble). Le communication break down vient peut-etre du fait que le eeprom est long a programmer (1ms par 8 bytes mais c'est a verifier) et que les delais de transfer de programme s19 vers la memoire sont excedes. Normalement, les transferts en RAM du code s19 est plus rapide car le RAM est plus rapide que le eeprom en ecriture.\n\n)\tC'est tout ce que ma memoire me permet de me souvenir!\n\n)Bonne chance,\n\nOh yeah easy for him to say!...\n\n-- \nKen Thompson    N0ITL  \nNCR Corp.  Peripheral Products Division   Disk Array Development\n3718 N. Rock Road  Wichita KS 67226   (316)636-8783\nKen.Thompson@wichitaks.ncr.com \n","1464":"From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: Lavishly Funded \"Gun Epidemic\" Propaganda Campaign to Commence\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <C4txEK.FCq@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:\n>Morris the Cat (rats@cbnewsc.cb.att.com) wrote:\n>\n>: Well, as Neal Knox of the Firearms Coalition points out, the full\n>: force of the anti-gun ruling class, their multi-millions, their\n>: polling organizations, their schools, their news media, their\n>: \"entertainment\" media\n>\n>The entertainment media... a \"force of the anti-gun ruling class\"??\n>Is this the same media that's made billions producing films and\n>television that glorify guns and gun users?  Or is that another\n>anti-gun media?\n>\n>You've got to be kidding.\n\nI'm afraid he isn't.  They are a hypocritical lot.  \n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n","1465":"From: pritchet@cs.scarolina.edu (Ronald W. Pritchett)\nSubject: CD-ROM for a quadra...\nOrganization: USC  Department of Computer Science\nDistribution: comp\nLines: 17\n\nwould there be any problems with hooking up a Toshiba 3401 external CD-ROM\ndrive to a 700?\n\n\nRon\n\n\n\n==============================================================================\n|       'Hey Jack the Ripper,                                                |\n|        won't you come on over and                                          |\n|        hook me up to the power lines of your love.'     - Jethro Tull      |\n|----------------------------------------------------------------------------|\n|  Ron Pritchett                 Internet: pritchet@ash.cs.scarolina.edu     |\n|                                 FidoNet: Ron Pritchett @ 1:376\/74.0        |\n==============================================================================\n\n","1466":"From: swood@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Scott Wood)\nSubject: Re: MORE Western Digital HD info needed\nOrganization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A.\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu\n\ncs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly       KS) writes:\n\n`My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with\n`another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right \n`on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ??\n\nWell, I figured out how the jumpers go.  Now I have quite a different\nproblem that has me perplexed like you wouldn't know.  I have both drives\nworking, the C: system formatted and all of my hardware installed.  Only\nproblem is, that during the boot up sequence, the computer does not want\nto pass up looking for a system on the A: drive.\n\nReinitialization all goes fine and the BIOS seems to be configured to\nwhat is necessary.  All the drive tests work, but when the thing comes\nback around to the a: drive and there is no disk present, it just spins.\nIf you insert a disk into drive a with a system however, it works fine\nand boots up (ie how installed all my software)\n\nAny additional help on this will be most welcome....\n\nswood\n\n-- \n       Hunting over in Michigan?  Don't Despair - NO CLOSED SEASON ON:\n         opossum, porcupine, weasel, red squirrel, skunk, starlings,\n        feral pigeons, English sparrows, ground squirrel & woodchuck\n          Anyway trout season opens the last Saturday this month.\n","1467":"From: amirza@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (Anmar Caves)\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nNntp-Posting-Host: bronze.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.184452.27322@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:\n>In article <93104.231049U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:\n>>All your points are very well taken and things that I haven't considered as\n>>I am not really familiar enough with handguns.\n>\n>That's not all that Kratz doesn't know.\n>\nk\n\nGuys, guys, (and gals), let's lay off Jason here.  Though he stepped\nin it, he has been very good so far about admitting he doesn't know\nwhat he's talking about, and even more stunning is that he seems\n-- \nAnmar Mirza   # Chief of Tranquility  #My Opinions! NotIU's!#CIANSAKGBFBI\nEMT-D         # Base, Lawrence Co. IN # Legalize Explosives!#ASSASINATEDEA\nN9ISY (tech)  # Somewhere out on the  # Politicians prefer  #NAZIPLUTONIUM\nNetworks Tech.# Mirza Ranch.C'mon over# unarmed peasants.   #PRESIDENTFEMA\n","1468":"From: yoony@aix.rpi.edu (Young-Hoon Yoon)\nSubject: Re: A Scoop of Waco Road, Please\nKeywords: topical, smirk\nNntp-Posting-Host: aix.rpi.edu\nLines: 62\n\ncdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n\n>Your \"lite\" posting for the day, from rec.humor.funny:\n\n>In article <S539.2adf@looking.on.ca>, bellas@tti.com (Pete Bellas) writes:\n>> \n>> There is a new Ice Cream Flavor inspired by the incident at Waco.\n>> \n>> It's called Mount Caramel, it's full of nuts but you can't get it out\n>> of the carton.\n>-- \n\n>cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\n>OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n\nEven though I find this to be funny on the surface, the original poster of the\njoke has  tried and convicted the members of the BD to be a bunch of \"nuts\".\nThis may be a dangerous thing to do.  It is my opinion that most educated\nor well informed people of this country have some distrust of the government.\nThis should exist because as a bureaucracy, any government given enough time\nwill tend to exist for it self and not for the original purpose it was \ncreated for.  This distrust by the people should keep those in power in-line.\nThat and a properly functioning press.  When a sensationalism oriented press\nportrays a group of people as \"nuts\" or crazies, a violation of those\npeople's civil rights seem justified.   Since we, as American's, have the \ngurantee of rights as enumerated in the constitution, to include the\n2nd ammendment, the government must appease the public's opinion or risk \nvoted out of existance, or if it has become corrupt enough to tamper with\ndomocratic process itself, being thrown out by force.\n  Our government as it stands, must appease the public.  Therefore the \nofficial press releases portray the BD's as fanatics who are a threat to\npublic safety.  We must not prejudge people based on one sided information.\nSo far the only information that we are being given is comming from the very\nagency that was embarrased by the BD(Branch Davidians sp?).  It is to their\nadvantage to make the BD's as fanatical and dangerous as possible.  If they\nwere portrayed as law-abiding citizen's, then they(ATF) had no justification\nwhat so ever of doing what they did.\n   So let's keep an open mind.  Jokes like above, even though it may be funny,\nmay mislead the public from the truth of the matter.\n\nJust as an aside,  my understanding of U.S. vs Rock Island and U.S. vs Dalton\nleads me to believe that the National Firearms Act, which allows the Fed's\n(in this case ATF) to regulate firearms(machine guns), has been deemed to be\nunconstitutional since 1986.(By two federal district courts at least).\nAnd since, I believe the only reason ATF was involved\nin this case is because of firearms violations, it would be interesting to \nfind out whether or not the search warrent was based on the NFA.\nIt would be very embarrassing indeed if a search warrent based on a possibly\nunconstitutional law has resulted in 4 deaths(Law enforcement). \n\n\n****************************************************************************\nThe above opinions are mine and mine only.\nI'm solely responsible for my opinions and my actions.  If you must flame\nthen flame away, but a well constructed argument will be much more respected.\n\nYoung-hoon Yoon                         yoony@rpi.edu\n211 North Hall                          n6zud@hibp1.ecse.rpi.edu\nRensselaer Polytechnic Institute        N6ZUD\/2   HL9KMT(former)\nTroy, NY 12180\n\n","1469":"From: markh@wimsey.bc.ca (Mark C. Henderson)\nSubject: Re: Source of random bits on a Unix workstation\nOrganization: Wimsey Information Services\nLines: 42\n\nIn article <1qs6cg$7cq@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) writes:\n>A few more sources are statistics on your filesystems (easily\n>and quickly obtained) and the output from the \"rusage\" system\n>call.  \n>\n>You can also exec a finger to one or more favorite heavily-used\n>systems, though this can take several seconds.\n>\n>cf. the source code to RIPEM on ripem.msu.edu.\n>\n>Mark R.\n\nOther alternatives include output of vmstat, iostat, pstat and friends\nwith various flags, or even better crash. \n\ne.g. on an RS\/6000 (AIX 3.2) you can get lots of relatively\nunpredicatble data out of crash. (the output from the following script \nusually gives about 600k of goo on a moderately busy system.)\n\n#!\/bin\/sh\ncrash <<!\nproc -\ntty\nstack\npcb\ncallout\nvfs -\nsocket\nvnode\ninode -\nmbuf\nfile\nmst\nbuffer\nle\n!\n\n-- \nMark Henderson\nmarkh@wimsey.bc.ca\nRIPEM key available by key server\/finger\/E-mail\n  MD5OfPublicKey: F1F5F0C3984CBEAF3889ADAFA2437433\n","1470":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Great Post! (was Re: Candida (yeast) Bloom...) (VERY LONG)\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 50\n\nIn article <noringC5wzM4.41n@netcom.com> noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring) writes:\n\nHate to wreck your elaborate theory, but Steve Dyer is not an MD.\nSo professional jealosy over doctors who help their patients with\nNystatin, etc., can't very well come into the picture.  Steve\ndoesn't have any patients.\n\n\n\n>response to specificially Candida albicans, and I showed a strong positive.\n>Another question, would everybody show the same strong positive so this test\n>is essentially useless?  And, assuming it is true that Candida can grow\n\nYes, everyone who is normal does that.  We use candida on the other arm\nwhen we put a tuberculin test on.  If people don't react to candida,\nwe assume the TB test was not conclusive since such people may not\nreact to anything.  All normal people have antibodies to candida.\nIf not, you would quickly turn into a fungus ball.\n\n>This brings up an interesting observation used by those who will deny\n>and reject any and all aspects of the 'yeast hypothesis' until the\n>appropriate studies are done.  And that is if you can't observe or culture\n>the yeast \"bloom\" in the gut or sinus, then there's no way to diagnose or\n>even recognize the disease.  And I know they realize that it is virtually\n>impossible to test for candida overbloom in any part of the body that cannot\n>be easily observed since candida is everywhere in the body.\n>\n>It's a real Catch-22.\n>\n\nYou've just discovered one of the requirements for a good quack theory.\nFind something that no one can *disprove* and then write a book saying\nit is the cause of whatever.  Since no one can disprove it, you can\nrake in the bucks for quite some time.  \n\n>>...I have often wondered what an M.D. with chronic \n>>GI distress or sinus problems would do about the problem that he tells his \n>>patients is a non-existent syndrome.\n>\n\nThat is odd, isn't it?  Why do you suppose it is that MDs with these\ncommon problems don't go for these crazy ideas?  Does the \"professional\njealosy\" extend to suffering in silence, even though they know they\ncould be cured if they just followed this quack book?\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1471":"From: uk02183@nx10.mik.uky.edu (bryan k williams)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nKeywords: Stupid Programming\nNntp-Posting-Host: nx10.mik.uky.edu\nOrganization: University of Kentucky\nLines: 4\n\nWell, the temp file thing creates an obvious problem: it is impossible to use\ncview for viewing CD-ROM based picture collections. And it is the ONLY non-\nwindows viewer that works properly with my Cirrus-based 24 bit VGA.\n\n","1472":"From: jmuller@ic.sunysb.edu (John S Muller)\nSubject: WAYNE RIGBY\nOrganization: State University of New York at Stony Brook\nLines: 20\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: csws18.ic.sunysb.edu\n\n\nSorry to clog up the news group with this message.\n\nWayne Rigby, I have the info you requested, but for some\nreason I can not mail it to you.  Please contact me!\nSend email address.\nj\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"No Real Programmer can function without caffeine\" - Zen + Art of Internet\n\n     _\/_\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/_\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/_\/  _\/_\/        John S. Muller\n        _\/      _\/          _\/  _\/  _\/         muller@diego.llnl.gov\n       _\/      _\/_\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/  _\/  _\/          muller@sisal.llnl.gov\n _\/   _\/              _\/  _\/      _\/           jmuller@libserv1.ic.sunysb.edu \n _\/_\/_\/      _\/_\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/      _\/            \n\n\"You are not drunk until you have to grab the grass,\n to keep the grass from falling off the earth\" - Some Stupid Comedian\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1473":"From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel)\nSubject: Philips 17\" monitor\nKeywords: 17\" monitor\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 26\n\n\n\nDoes anybody have an opinion on the Philips 1762DT 17\" monitor?  How does it\ncompare to the Nanao 17\"?  I am looking for a good 17\" (like many other\nnet'ers) and found a good price for the Philips.  Here some the specs:\n\n\tSony Trinitron tube\n\tdigital micro control\n\t1280x1024 NI\n\t.25 dp\n\t300x225 mm display area\n\tto 100 Hz refresh\n\tanti-glare, MPR-II...\n\tauto-scan 30-64 kHz\n\nWhy don't I ever see this monitor for sale (ONE company in Apr computer shopper)\nWhat is the 1764DC?  What is the best price around for this?....\n\nand how 'bout that MAG 17\"?  I love my MAG 15\" (except for that little color\nalignment thing on the l\/r edges)...\n\n-- \n_______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________\n| Brian J Schaufenbuel [ \"There is no art which one government sooner learns  ]\n| Helser 3644 Halsted  [  than that of draining money from the pockets of the ]\n| Ames, Ia  50012      [  people [especially college students].\" - Adam Smith ]\n","1474":"From: finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan)\nSubject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)\nArticle-I.D.: cs.1993Apr6.195710.24227\nReply-To: finnegan@navo.navy.mil\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Grumman Data Systems\nLines: 28\nNntp-Posting-Host-[nntpd-19510]: invader.navo.navy.mil\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.180456.17573@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr06.133319.7008@metrics.com> tomh@metrics.com (Tom Haapanen) writes:\n|> >CHINTS@ISCS.NUS.SG writes:\n|> >> Here are \"another\" ten reasons why we should all love CR\n|> >> 10. Car salesmen love their new car buying service\n|> >> 2. And later on buying a CR \"idealized family sedan\"\n|> >\n|> >And my number 1:\n|> >\n|> >1. The spectacle of the religious fervour of the CR \"true believers\".\n|> \n|> Or the spectacle of \"Macho Real Men\" who would never bother to read the\n|> magazine but are more than apt to criticize it.\n\nHey, I'm a \"Macho Real Man\" and I DO read it.  So I can criticize\nit all I want, especially since I pay for the publication. (They\naccept no outside advertising, don't you know....)\n\n|> John Nielsen   MAGNUS Consultant            ______   ______   __  __\t\n|> \"To you Baldrick, the Renaissance was just \/\\  __ \\ \/\\  ___\\ \/\\ \\\/\\ \\\n|> something that happened to other people,   \\ \\ \\\/\\ \\\\ \\___  \\\\ \\ \\_\\ \\\n|> wasn't it?\" - The Black Adder               \\ \\_____\\\\\/\\_____\\\\ \\_____\\\n\nRelying on Consumer Reports to pick your automobiles is like\nletting Field & Stream select your living room furniture.\n\nKenneth\nfinnegan@navo.navy.mil\n","1475":"Nntp-Posting-Host: surt.ifi.uio.no\nFrom: Thomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no>\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nIn-Reply-To: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)'s message of 15 Apr 1993\n        13:08:14 GMT\nOrganization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway\n        <1qjmnuINNlmd@clem.handheld.com>\nLines: 73\nOriginator: thomasp@surt.ifi.uio.no\n\n\nI HATE long postings, but this turned out to be rather lengthy....\n\n\nOverall Crime rate:\nIt fell....just like that...\n\nAcquiring weapons in Norway:\nYou can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a \npermit, and a good reason to get the permit....\nIf I would like to have a handgun, i would have to get an gun-licence from \nthe police and to be a member of a gun-club.\nThe police would check my criminal records for any SERIOUS crimes and\/or\nrecords of SERIOUS mental diseases.\nNow, if a got my licence, I would have to be an active member of the gun\n-club for 6 months BEFORE I could collect my gun.\nIt's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ???\nYou have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to...\n\nUse of guns in crimes (in Norway):\nSome crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms'\nfor a long time, but these are rather the exeption.\nMost criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short \ntime befor the crime.\n\nUse of knives:\nIt IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'.\nYou (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open\nin public -rigth ??\n\nScandinavians ARE 'aggressive':\nWe northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide\nto take action we DO.\nAsk ANY historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe....\n(Or ask any German who served in Norway in WW2.....)\n\nIndividual vs masses:\nYes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some\nextent....\nYour criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ??\nWhat happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of \nall the others ??\n\n\nThe issue:\nI believe the issue is GUNS, and gun-legislation.\nWe shouldn't mix weapons and items that can serve as one....\nIF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME.\nBut should it have to be like that ??\nDo you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ??\nIf you believe it's smart\/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think\nit should be free to buy guns ??\n\nDisclaim-her:\nI'm not a pacifist or anti gun. \nI would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as\nneccities or toys.\nI HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't\nwant to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'....\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\tThis is not a .signature.\n\tIt's marly a computergenerated text to waste bandwith\n\tand to bring down the evil Internet.\n\n\n                        Thomas Parsli\n                        thomasp@ifi.uio.no\n","1476":"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet?\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nLines: 29\n\nFYI:  The actual horizontal dot placement resoution of an HP\ndeskjet is 1\/600th inch.  The electronics and dynamics of the ink\ncartridge, however, limit you to generating dots at 300 per inch.\nOn almost any paper, the ink wicks more than 1\/300th inch anyway.\n\nThe method of depositing and fusing toner of a laster printer\nresults in much less spread than ink drop technology.\n\nIt doesn't take much investigation to see that the mechanical and\nelectronic complement of a laser printer is more complex than\ninexpensive ink jet printers.  Recall also that laser printers\noffer a much higher throughput:  10 ppm for a laser versus about 1\nppm for an ink jet printer.\n\nSomething else to think about is the cost of consumables over the\nlife of the printer.  A 3000 page yield toner cartridge is about\n$US 75-80 at discount while HP high capacity (~500-1000 page yield)\ncartridges are about $US 22 at discount.  It could be that over the\nlife cycle of the printer that consumables for laser printers are\nless than ink jet printers.  It is getting progressively closer\nbetween the two technologies.  Laser printers are usually desinged\nfor higher duty cycles in pages per month and longer product\nreplacement cycles.\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1)    146.580: N8WED\n","1477":"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)\nSubject: Re: Flyback squeal in video monitors\nReply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <1993Mar31.204036.4359@ssc.com>, markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier) writes:\n|> Zack Lau (zlau@arrl.org) wrote:\n|> : In sci.electronics, xhan@uceng.uc.edu (Xiaoping Han) writes:\n|> : >In article <1993Mar24.163510.158@hubcap.clemson.edu> michaet@hubcap.clemson.edu (Michael D. Townsend) writes:\n|> : >>brendan@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (Brendan Jones) writes:\n|> : >>\n|> : >>My mom's 25\" Magnavox does this as well.  I put chewing gum all around\n|> : >>the horizontal sync transformer so it wouldn't resonate the board as\n|> : >>much.  Don't flame, it worked.  I realize that there is a more suitable\n|> : >>substance available for this purpose, but I don't remember what and\n|> : >>where it is.\n|> : \n|> : >Adhesive silicon, from hardware store.\n|> : \n|> : If it smells like vinegar, it may damage metal surfaces by\n|> : promoting corrosion.  \n|> \n|> Anybody tried Superglue (cyanoacrylate ?).  This should sneak\n|> into the cracks better, and is stiffer than silicone.  \n\nI've found this works pretty well on noisy laminated power\ntransformer cores and windings (the 60Hz kind). Likewise, if\nanybody has tried this on a flyback I'd like to hear about it.\n\nI would suspect it would not be as effective as it was on power\ntransformers as the material wouldn't damp as well--something\nI suspect would be critical at the frequencies involved (in other\nwords, you want absorption rather than prevention which would be\nreal difficult at 15 KHz).\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n       Dave Medin\t\t\tPhone:\t(205) 730-3169 (w)\n    SSD--Networking\t\t\t\t(205) 837-1174 (h)\n    Intergraph Corp.\n       M\/S GD3004 \t\tInternet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\n  Huntsville, AL 35894\t\tUUCP:  ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin\n\n   ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******\n\n * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)\n","1478":"From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)\nSubject: Re: Mr. Cramer's 'Evidence'\nOrganization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <philC5HsII.GFt@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)\nwrites:\n\n>Naw, I think you are. While both organizations may, on paper, support the\n>abolition of the age of consent, there the resemblance stops.\n\n>One supports the removal of a coercive law, the other a paper facade\n>to \"legitimize\" sexual relations with children.\n\nI get it.  One organization wants to abolish age of consent laws,\nwhereas in contrast the other wants to abolish age of consent laws.\nThis makes it respectable to belong to one organization, but not the\nother.\n\n-- \n     Gene Ward Smith\/Brahms Gang\/IWR\/Ruprecht-Karls University \n               gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de\n","1479":"From: yjwu@eng.umd.edu (Yu-Jen Wu)\nSubject: What's the difference between ~30-pin and 72-pin SIMMS?\nOrganization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park\nLines: 17\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: paxsunc.eng.umd.edu\n\nHi,\n\nCan anyone tell me the difference between ~30-pin and 72-pin Simms?\nI wish to get detailed information about the origin of these two\ndifferent types of Simms, preferably a magazine review aricle.\n\nBy the way, if there is a FAQ for this group which covers the Simms\ninformation, please also direct me to it.\n\nAny help\/information would be very much appreciated.\n\n\nSincerely,\n\nYu-Jen Wu\nDept. of EE, Univ. of Maryland\nyjwu@eng.umd.eu\n","1480":"From: mbh2@engr.engr.uark.edu (M. Barton Hodges)\nSubject: Stereoscopic imaging\nSummary: Stereoscopic imaging\nKeywords: stereoscopic\nNntp-Posting-Host: engr.engr.uark.edu\nOrganization: University of Arkansas\nLines: 8\n\nI am interested in any information on stereoscopic imaging on a sun\nworkstation.  For the most part, I need to know if there is any hardware\navailable to interface the system and whether the refresh rates are\nsufficient to produce quality image representations.  Any information\nabout the subject would be greatly appreciated.\n\n    Thanks!\n\n","1481":"From: elliott@optilink.COM (Paul Elliott)\nSubject: Re: A loathesome subject\nSummary: Why the \"quote marks\", Roy?\nOrganization: DSC\/Optilink Access Products\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <C4y3DD.L1n@panix.com> roy@panix.com (Roy Radow) writes:\n>Anyone with any degree of sensitivity or awareness has to be  \n>concerned about the horrendous amount of \"child abuse\" that \n>exists in this country. [...]\n>\n>The critical factor here is whether the sexual activity is \"forced\"  [...]\n>\n>When a child is \"forced\" there is often \"damage\", on the other hand,\n>\"consensual\" relationships are often found to be \"positive experiences\" \n>for all concerned. [...]\n>\n>Roy Radow               roy@panix.com         ...rutgers!cmcl2!panix!roy\n>North American Man\/Boy Love Association -For a packet containing a sample\n\nWhy all the quote marks, Roy?  I can see that they might be appropriate where\nthere is a legitimate concern that the words are being distorted by context, \nor that they have been appropriated Newspeak-style, but, reading your comments above,\none might be excused if they assumed that you were claiming that \"child abuse\",\n\"forced\" sexual activity, and \"damage\" caused by this is non-existant or\ngreatly overblown.\n\n\"Positive experiences\", indeed!\n\n-Paul Elliott\n(Member in good standing of the Optilink Mafia)\n\n\n\n-- \n--------     Paul Elliott - DSC Optilink - Petaluma, CA USA      ----------\n    {uunet,pyramid,tekbspa}!optilink!elliott -or- elliott@optilink.com\n       \"I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.\"\n\n","1482":"From: deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus)\nSubject: Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES\nOrganization: Columbia University Center for Telecommunications Research\nX-Posted-From: mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.190606.13801@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com  writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.173009.10580@sol.ctr.columbia.edu>, deniz@mandolin.ctr.columbia.edu (Deniz Akkus) writes:\n>\n>    Well, this is your opinion ! \n>\n\nOf course it is!  \n\n>    Turkish\/ Azeris can BARK all they WANT since the ABOVE is UNTRUE. However, \n>    I am sure YOU GUYS would have NEVER brought up ARMENIA's involvement if \n>    KARABAKHI-Armenians had had HEAVY losses.\n>\n\nAnd this is your opinion.  It is not any more valid due to repeated\ncapital letters and words such as 'untrue' 'never' etc.  \n\n>\tRead what ? The New York Times , that is publishing anti-armenian\n>\tarticles. Nop, I have my resources. Look, everyone knows how aggressive\n>        Turks\/Azeris have been in the past. Armenians ARE NOT gona sit\n>\taround and watch FIRE WORKS by AZERIS taught by TURKS. \n\nSo Armenians are justified in aggression since supposedly Turks have\nbeen aggressive in the past?  I don't follow your logic.  \n\n>DA] I don't wish to get into the Cyprus discussion.  Turkey had the right to\n>\n>\tNot a chance ! You CAN NOT convince me (based on your REASONS)that \n>\tyour GOVERNMENT did the RIGHT thing to invade CYPRUS. \n\nI have said that I don't wish to get into Cyprus discussion and did not\ngive any reasons for Turkey's involvement.  I also am not trying to\nconvince you of anything, seeing no reason to waste any time.... \n\n>DA] Lastly, why is there not a soc.culture.armenia?  I vote yes for it.\n>DA] After all, it is now free.  \n>\n>\tWell, I am NOT in the position to agree or disadree with you.\n>\n>\t\n\nI am serious.  Let's get soc.culture.armenia started and have some peace\nof mind?  \n\nDeniz Akkus \n\n\n","1483":"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Command Loss Timer (Re: Galileo Update - 04\/22\/93)\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\nKeywords: Galileo, JPL\n\n\n\nINteresting question about Galileo.\n\nGalileo's HGA  is stuck.   \n\nThe HGA was left closed,  because galileo  had a venus flyby.\n\nIf the HGA were pointed att he sun,  near venus,  it would\ncook the foci elements.\n\nquestion:  WHy couldn't Galileo's  course manuevers have been\ndesigned such that the HGA  did not ever do a sun point.?\n\nAfter all,  it would normally be aimed at earth anyway?\n\nor would it be that an emergency situation i.e. spacecraft safing\nand seek might have caused an HGA sun point?\n\npat\n","1484":"From: dp@cec1.wustl.edu (David Prutchi)\nSubject: Re: Cicuit Cellar Ink - Extras 4 Trade\nNntp-Posting-Host: cec1\nOrganization: Washington University, St. Louis MO\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <babb-190493113153@larc.sdsu.edu> babb@sciences.sdsu.edu (J. Babb) writes:\n>Fellow Info-junkies,\n>  I have an extra CCI #27 (Real Time Programming\/Embedded Sensors &\n>Storage) and an extra CCI #32 (Voice control of telescope, among other\n>articles). No labels. No torn, cut-up, or missing pages.\n>\n>Would like to trade for CCI # 26, or CCI # 23, or CCI # 19 in same\n>condition (Labels OK).\n>\n>I mail mine you mail yours mutual trust kinda thang OK?\n>You don't actually throw them away, do you?\n>\n>Thanx,\n>Jeff Babb\n>babb@sciences.sdsu.edu\n\nI have also been trying to complete my collection.  I have an extra CCI # 16\n(Communications) and a # 12 (Applications in the Arts), both in mint\ncondition.\n\nI would like to trade for (or buy) the following: # 1, 3, 22, 23, 25, 26, 30,\nand 31.\n\nThanks      -David\n\n+------------------------------------------------------------+\n|  David Prutchi                 HC1DT                       |\n|  Washington University         <prutchi@mesun4.wustl.edu>  |\n|  Campus Box 1185               <dp@cec1.wustl.edu>         |\n|  One Brookings Drive                                       |\n|  St. Louis, MO  63130-4899                                 |\n+------------------------------------------------------------+\n","1485":"From: drw3l@delmarva.evsc.Virginia.EDU (David Robert Walker)\nSubject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <8994@blue.cis.pitt.edu> traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven) writes:\n>\n>One of the chapters in Palmer and Thorn's 'Hidden Game' is titled\n>'Pitching is 44% of Baseball,' implying that fielding is 6%.  How do\n>they determine that?  Beats me -- it's been a long, long time since I\n>read it.\n\nThis was (my opinion) the stupidest thing in the Hidden Game. The\nargument was\n\n1) Defense, or runs allowed, is 50% of the game.\n2) Unearned runs amount to 12% of the runs allowed; earned runs, 88%.\n\n3) Since unearned runs are the result of fielding, not pitching, and\nearned runs are the product of pitching, not fielding, fielding is 12%\nof defense and pitching is 88% of defense.\n4) Caombining with #1, pitching is 44% of the game, fielding 6%.\n\nPete is usually sharper than that. My own feel is that fielding is in\nthe 25-33% of defense range; call it 30-70 between fielding and\npitching.\n\n>One also has to separate offense into batting and baserunning, with the\n>split probably somewhere around 49.5% and 0.5%.\n\nI'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or\neven 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds\nidentical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and\neven if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot\nmore than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense,\nGordon).\n\nClay D.\n\n","1486":"From: st1rp@rosie.uh.edu (Schwam, David S.)\nSubject: Re: ASTROS FOR REAL?\nOrganization: University of Houston\nLines: 51\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rosie.uh.edu\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <C5Ky58.12KD@austin.ibm.com>, marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes...\n>In article <1993Apr15.234838.4138@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_millerwl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:\n>>WHO THINKS THE ASTROS ARE GOING PLACES???\n>>THEY'RE CURRENTLY FIRST PLACE.\n>>THEY'RE 5-4, 5-1 ON THE ROAD! \n> \n>I AGREE, LUMBERJACK (except that they're in 2nd)!  They ARE going PLACES -\n>San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Miami,\n>Philadelphia, New York, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis...and\n>points in between.  :-)\n> \n>But,\n>THEY'RE 0-3 AT HOME!\n\nBut,\n THEY FACED THE PHILLIES -- A TEAM THAT GOT OFF TO AN 8-1 START.\n\n\n> \n>I'm just not used to an overly enthusiastic Houston fan.  I really shouldn't\n>discourage it, so HANG IN THERE, LUMBERJACK!  (But, get ahold of that shift\n>key, will ya?)\n> \n>ObBase:  Apparently the new owner (Drayton McLain (sp?)) doesn't particularly\n>like excuses.  An item in our paper (the Austin American-Statesman - \"If you\n>read it here, it was somewhere else first\") said that he wouldn't take \n>injuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been\n>accounted for.  Uh, oh.  I don't want an owner that'll keep everybody on\n>edge - I'd never gotten that feeling about him, but who knows?  Does \n\n\n  To be honest, I think the city of Houston loves the new owner.  He has\nbrought baseball back to Houston with key acquisitions -- players that\nwere from the Houston area and wanted to play for the Astros.  I don't\nthink that too many people are fearful that McLane will meddle in the team\nas he has already admitted that he doesn't know a whole lot about baseball.\nMcLane is a businessman, and doesn't like excuses.  He makes a valid point\nthat injuries shouldn't be an excuse to this club.  Look at the depth of the\nbench this season.. Canadele can play 7 positions; Bass and James are solid\noutfielders and can hit well too; Uribe is nice to have as well..  The\npitching staff has 6 legitimate starters.  We're dealing with a young\nHouston team, so injuries shouldn't play a big role.  The only threat is\nthe bullpen -- if Jonesy goes out, we may be in trouble but with the\ntype of starters we have this season, there is less pressure on the pen.\n\n--- --- --- --- --- ---\n David S. Schwam\n University of Houston\n st1rp@jetson.uh.edu\n--- --- --- --- --- ---\n\n","1487":"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)\nSubject: The Dayton Gun \"Buy Back\" (Re: Boston Gun Buy Back)\nOrganization: Ideology Busters, Inc.\nLines: 11\n\nAccording to WNCI 97.9 FM radio this morning, Dayton, Ohio is operating a\ngun \"buy back\".  They are giving $50 for every functional gun turned in.\nThey ran out of money in one day, and are now passing out $50 vouchers of\nsome sort.  They are looking for more funds to keep operating.  Another\nmedia-event brought to you by HCI.\n\nIs there something similar pro-gun people can do ?  For example, pay $100\nto anyone who lawfully protects their life with a firearm ?  Sounds a bit\ntacky, but hey, whatever works.\n-- \nLarry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com\n","1488":"From: gmc@cthulhu.semi.harris.com \nSubject: Re: What is Zero dB????\nNntp-Posting-Host: cthulhu.mlb.semi.harris.com\nOrganization: Analog\nLines: 57\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.132429.16154@bnr.ca>\n      moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson) writes:\n\n >Joseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:\n >\n >: Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the\n >: original Bell.  For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell.\n >\n >Out of what hat did you pull this one?  dB is a ratio not an RBOC!\n >\n >: And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company\n >: and the Amphenol company.  Both companies revolutionized electronics by\n >: simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets\n >: were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.\n >\n >Sorry.  The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man\n >named AMPERE who studied electrical current.  The term AMP is just an abbreviation\n >of it.  The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.\n >\n >: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers,\n >: thus our use of the Ohms...\n >\n >I don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right.\n >\n >:\n >: Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from...\n >Well you got one thing right!\n >:\n\nActually, I think J. Chiu knows the score and is just being\nsilly. However, \"decibel\" is in fact 1\/10th of a bel. He is\nright on that one, but I don't know if it was accidental or not.\n\nStrictly defined, a bel is the ratio of the log of two power levels,\nand a decibel is 1\/10th of a bel so you have 10X decibels for every bel,\nhence bel=log(P2\/P1) and decibel=10Xlog(P2\/P1).\n\nThe bel, ohm, volt, farad, ampere, watt, hertz, henry, etc. are\nall named for pioneers in the field. It's a traditional and fine\nway to honor researchers who discover new knowledge in a new field.\nHertz was one of the most important of the early electronics explorers,\nbut had been left out in having a term or unit named after him\nuntil recently, (1960's, prior to that what is now a hertz was a cps.)\nAll the other units were defined many decades earlier.\n\n\n \n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","1489":"From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)\nSubject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)\nKeywords: CB900C, purchase, advice\nReply-To: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)\nOrganization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory\nLines: 29\n\n--\nIn article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu \n(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:\n|>>\n|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull\n|>>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,\n|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).\n|>>\n|>>\tDoes this count?\n|>\n|>Yes.  He thought about it.\n|>>\n|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s \"HAHAHHA\" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press\n|>>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t return...)\n\nHey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even \ntried to get my FAQ's straight.  Don't holler BOHICA at me!\n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n|     |\\\/\\\/\\\/|      ___________________                              |\n|     |      |     \/                   \\                             |\n|     |      |    \/  Jamie W. Burnside  \\     1980 CB900 Custom      |\n|     | (o)(o)   (  jburnside@ll.mit.edu )    1985 KDX200 (SOLD!)    |\n|     C      _) \/ \\_____________________\/     1978 CB400 (for sale)  |\n|      | ,___| \/                                                     |\n|      |    \/                                                        |\n|      \/ __\\                                                         |\n|     \/     \\                                                        |\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1490":"From: mlin@pdx222.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ming T. Lin)\nSubject: WORD = BYTE ??\nReply-To: mlin@ichips.intel.com\nOrganization: Workgroup Computing Division, PDX, Intel\nLines: 15\n\n\n    I just moved from Borland C++ 3.0 to Visual C++ today. When I tried\nto compile my C++ program, it complained a function prototype problem.\nIt turned out that the typedef WORD in MS C++ is a BYTE, not unsigned int.\n\n    Could anyone shine some light on this subject ? Why a WORD is a BYTE ?\n\n\n-Ming T. Lin\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nmlin@ichips.intel.com\n(503) 696-4806\n\n","1491":"From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)\nSubject: Re: Waco, they did it.    ( MASADA )\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard, Fort Collins, CO, USA\nLines: 8\n\nRe: Flaming wreckage\n\nI wrote my congressmen strongly worded letters demanding they dissolve the\nBATF.\n\nPerhaps anger and grief can help spur a letter writing campaign?\n\nRon Miller\n","1492":"Subject: roman 03\/14\nFrom: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)\nReply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of South Dakota\nKeywords: bmp, wallpaper\nLines: 958\n\n\n------------ Part 3 of 14 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Strait)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: The University of Illinois\nLines: 25\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.csl.uiuc.edu\n\nIn article <C5sv88.HJy@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:\n\n> >> >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.\n> >>                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> >> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day  \n> >> in Texas. \n> >\n> >Do YOU eat all your food cold?\n> \n> Ever hear of electric ovens or microwaves?  Very popular.\n> Electric stoves outside metro-areas especially.\n> \n\nMicrowaves don't work very well with no electricity Mr Engineer.\n\n> -- \n> <><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why,  <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\n> <>  BRENT IRVINE  <> yes.  What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu  <>\n> <><><><><><><><><><> they were?.......        <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\n\n-- \n| Jeff Strait                       | strait@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu        |\n| University of Illinois            | PHONE: (217) 333-6444            |\n| \"If you ladies leave this island, if you survive basic recruit       |\n| training, you will be a weapon, a minister of death praying for war\" |\n","1494":"From: welty@cabot.balltown.cma.COM (richard welty)\nSubject: rec.autos: the Rec.Autos Archive Server \nKeywords: Monthly Posting\nReply-To: welty@balltown.cma.com\nOrganization: New York State Institute for Sebastian Cabot Studies\nLines: 10\n\nArchive-name: rec-autos\/part3\n\nThe Automotive Articles Archive Server:\n\nthe automotive archive server is in the process of being rehosted,\nand is presently not available.\n-- \nrichard welty        518-393-7228       welty@cabot.balltown.cma.com\n``Nothing good has ever been reported about the full rotation of\n  a race car about either its pitch or roll axis''  -- Carroll Smith\n","1495":"From: rgs@megatek.com (Rusty Sanders)\nSubject: Re: X-server multi screen\nOrganization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California\nLines: 61\n\nFrom article <1993Apr17.010256.14372@eafs000.ca.boeing.com>, by ten0772@eafs000.ca.boeing.com (Timothy E. Neto):\n> rainer@sun3.eeam.elin.co.at (Rainer Hochreiter) writes:\n>>\n>>I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing.\n>>Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean:\n>>\n>>\t-) multi-screen\n>>\t-) multi-headed\n>>\t-) multi-display\n>>\t-) X-Server zaphod mode\n>>\n>>Is there a limit how many screens\/displays a single server can handle\n>>(in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ?\n>>\n>>How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one\n>>screen\/display to another.\n> \n> As to how many clients may be display on a server, I believe the limit\n> would be how much memory is available to your server or allocated by the\n> server.\n> \n\nThis all sounds suspiciously like my company might have something to\ndo with this.\n\nBackground first: Megatek has a series of framebuffers designed as\nX accelerators. For the most part these are designed for Sun SBUS\nand Sun (and other vendor's) VME systems.\n\nThat said, Megatek products support multi-screen and\/or multi-display\non a sigle workstation. Most of our cards have a keyboard\/mouse port\nwhich can be used to provide additional displays. For example, say\nyou hade a Sparcstation with an Sbus expansion chassis. You could\nput in six frambuffers, allowing a total of six screens in the system.\nYou could then attach from 1 to 6 keyboard\/mice, allowing you to\nmix and match any combination of screens and displays. You could\nhave 1 6-screen display, 3 2-screen displays, 6 1-screen displays,\nor 1 2-screen display and 1 4-screen display. Basically any\ncombination.\n\nBecause of this, we at Megatek try to be very careful about the use\nof the words multi-screen and multi-display. They are quite different\nin meaning, and (at least in X) have exact definitions.\n\nThe reason I ramble like this is the mention of an upper limit if 12\nscreens in a display. As it so happens, there's a define in the server\nthat determines the most screens supported (server\/include\/misc.h,\nMAXSCREENS). As released my MIT, this is 3. As released by Megatek,\nthis is 12.\n\nAs such, the most screens supported by a single Megatek display (i.e.\nX server) is 12. If someone construed this to be a limitation of X\nI'm sorry, but clearly (as pointed out so well by Mr. Neto) this is\nnot the case.\n\nWe just did it here because nobody has ever asked us for more. Of\ncourse, I could say \"Buy all you want, we'll support more.\"\n-- \n----\nRusty Sanders, Megatek Corp. --> rgs@megatek.com or...\n         ...ucsd!    ...hplabs!hp-sdd!    ...ames!scubed!   ...uunet!\n","1496":"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)\nSubject: Re: Riceburner Respect\nOrganization: Office of 'Tude Licensing\nNntp-Posting-Host: binky\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes:\n> No anyone who is a \"true\" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a\n> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless\n> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low\n> to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case with most of the harley\n> riders out here where I am, however I still give them a wave, and ride\n> secure in the knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are.\n\nHuh?\n\n- Roid\n","1497":"From: eachus@spectre.mitre.org (Robert I. Eachus)\nSubject: Re: Would \"clipper\" make a good cover for other encryption method?\nIn-Reply-To: kadie@eff.org's message of Tue, 20 Apr 1993 03:26:23 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: spectre.mitre.org\nOrganization: The Mitre Corp., Bedford, MA.\nLines: 52\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.032623.3046@eff.org> kadie@eff.org (Carl M. Kadie) writes:\n\n  > Clipper might be a good way to cover the use of another layer of\n  > encryption.\n\n  But, if you are making custom equipment in any case, why not just\nroll your own Clipper implementation and report the wrong keys to the\nEscrow agency?  (Tells us who is going to be in the chip business if\nthis thing goes through--NSA, and those with something to hide from\nNSA.)\n\n  If anyone can verify that your phone is not using the key registered\nto that serial number, either:\n\n  1) They have a court ordered wiretap.  But what are they going to\ndo?  Tell the judge that this individual really does have privacy?\nAll they know is that the keys are not enough, but not why.\n\n  2) They have a court ordered wiretap on a phone in this series.\n(This part is really scary.  Since the \"expectation\" is that all\nchips in a particular batch will uses seeds based on the same S1 and\nS2 and the serial number, getting the keys for one of a batch may give\naccess to all.)\n\n  3) There is a backdoor which allows all messages to be deciphered\nwithout the keys.  I find this one especially threatening since the\nscheme seems very open to known plaintext attacks.  (What I need to\ndecipher is the data in the header.  If I talk to someone who has one\nof these phones, presumably there will be an automatically negotiated\nkey generated.  I'm not trying to decipher the record of the\nconversation to know what was said, I use it as a known plaintext to\nrecover the backdoor represented by the header, but I know what the\nheader says for conversations I participate in.  Even worse, if the\nphones in a series have related keys, I can buy a phone\/chip from the\nsame production lot.  Then I can recover its keys, either elegantly by\ntalking to myself, or by brute force analysis of the actual chip, then\napply the key generation process with those seeds to find the target\nkeys.)\n\n    Hmmm!  I don't think I want to ever come close to these phones.\nEven DES is starting to look good.  Two cans and a string will provide\nmuch better security.\n\n\n\n--\n\n\t\t\t\t\tRobert I. Eachus\n\nwith Standard_Disclaimer;\nuse  Standard_Disclaimer;\nfunction Message (Text: in Clever_Ideas) return Better_Ideas is...\n","1498":"From: klee@synoptics.com (Ken Lee)\nSubject: Re: Property problems\nReply-To: klee@synoptics.com\nOrganization: SynOptics Communications, Santa Clara CA\nLines: 19\nNntp-Posting-Host: bugsbunny.synoptics.com\n\nIn article ( ), wsmart@tay.mcs.dundee.ac.uk (Bill Smart) writes:\n> To get the number back, the other client does:\n>\n>  AppAtom = XInternAtom(display,\"ApplicationWindow\",True);\n>  XGetWindowProperty(display,DefaultRootWindow(display),AppAtom,0,8192,\n>                     False,XA_WINDOW,&return_type,&return_format,\n>                     &nitems_return,&bar,&return_place);\n>\n> and appears to get back something valid (just not the right number).\n> It always seems to return the same number, regardless of the window\n> number stored in the property.\n\n\"return_place\" is probably incorrect.  It should be a pointer, not an\ninteger.  XGetWindowProperty() allocates memory, copies the data there,\nand returns a pointer to the memory.  You should free the memory when\nyou're done.\n\n---\nKen Lee, klee@synoptics.com\n","1499":"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)\nSubject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!\nOrganization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.\nLines: 32\n\n\nIn article <1r0ejoINNjfj@owl.csrv.uidaho.edu>, lanph872@crow.csrv.uidaho.edu (Rob Lanphier) writes:\n|> Malcolm Lee (mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca) wrote:\n|> : What bothers me most is why people who have no religious affiliation \n|> : continue to persecute Jews?  Why this hatred of Jews?  The majority of\n|> : people who persecute Jews are NOT Christians (I can't speak for all \n|> : Christians and there are bound to be a few who are on the anti-Semitism\n|> : bandwagon.)\n|> \n|> Do you even have anecdotal evidence to back this up?  The most blatent\n|> persecution of the Jews in history was of course done by the Nazis before\n|> and during World War II, a predominately Lutheran crowd.  Sure, many\n|> Muslims in the Middle East consider the Israelites to be a thorn in their\n|> side, but the most of the modern persecution of Jews has been at the hands\n|> of Christians (at least as far as I'm aware).\n|> \n|> Rob Lanphier\n|> lanph872@uidaho.edu\n\nDo you consider Neo-Nazis and white supremists to be Christian?  I'd hardly\nclassify them as Christian.  Do they follow the teachings of Christ?  Love\none another.  Love your neighbour as yourself.  Love your enemies.  Is Jesus\nChrist their Lord and Saviour?  By the persecution of Jews, they are violating\nall the precepts of what Christ died for.  They are in direct violation of\nthe teachings of Christ.  Even Jesus who was crucified by the Jewish leaders\nof that time, loved His enemies by asking the Father for forgiveness of their\nsins.  I am a Christian and I bear no animosity towards Jews or any one else.\nThe enemy is Satan, not our fellow man.\n\nGod be with you,\n\nMalcolm Lee  :)\n","1500":"From: crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner)\nSubject: Re: Manual Shift Bigots\nOrganization: Technical University of Munich, Germany\nLines: 33\n\nIn rec.autos you write:\n\n>if ayrton senna can drive a racecar with fully automatic transmission,\n>it can't be half bad..  :-)\n\nThis McLaren auto-transmission (I still think it's only half auto,\nbut You may be right) has NOTHING to do with Your GM, Chrysler, Volvo,\nor whatever auto transmission. It's a normal manual transmission\ngearbox with clutch and all, but there are servo motors, which do\nthe shifting. \n\nThat means, there is no power loss in the drivetrain (if You take out \nminimal mechanical friction), and the sami-auto transmissions \n(Ferrari, Williams, McLaren(?),...) don't tell You, when to shift,\neither. However, these transmissions share an important disadvantage\nwith Your stock auto-trannie: They are EXPENSIVE.\n\nAs long as these servo-shifted gearboxes aren't available on \n'normal' cars I'm gonna stick with my manual. I just can't see an\nadvantage to make up for two grand I lose in this deal and the\nloss in mileage and power (except maybe in real heavy traffic). But\nthen I drive mostly on the autobahn and country roads anyway.\n\nThere's no point in making a religion out of this, I just wanted to\npoint out a few technical facts and MY OWN opinion, so there's\nno need for a flame war.\n\n>eliot\n\nHave a safe ride\n\nChris\n\n","1501":"From: zemcik@ls (Pavel Zemcik)\nSubject: Tseng ET4000 pixel clock\nOrganization: Technical University of Brno, Czech Republic\nKeywords: ET4000 SVGA pixel clock\nSummary: Is there anybody who knows how to set ET4000 SVGA pixel clock?\nLines: 19\n\nI would like to program Tseng ET4000 to nonstandard 1024x768 mode by\nswitching to standard 1024x768 mode using BIOS and than changing some\ntiming details (0x3D4 registers 0x00-0x1F) but I don't know how to\nselect 36 MHz pixel clock I need. The BIOS function selects 40 MHz.\n\nIs there anybody who knows where to obtain technical info about this.\nI am also interested in any other technical information about Tseng ET4000\nand Trident 8900 and 9000 chipsets.\n\n\t\t\tthanks very much\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tPavel Zemcik\n\t\t\t\t\t\tDept. of Comp. Sci. & Eng.\n\t\t\t\t\t\tTechnical University of Brno\n\t\t\t\t\t\tBozetechova 2\n\t\t\t\t      CS-612 66 Brno\n\t\t\t\t\t\tCzech Republic\n\t\t\t\t\t\te-mail: zemcik@dcse.fee.vutbr.cs\n\n","1502":"From: jamesl@galaxy.nsc.com (James Lu x3702)\nSubject: WANTED: refrigerator.\nNntp-Posting-Host: gallium.nsc.com\nOrganization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara\nDistribution: ba\nLines: 9\n\n\nWANTED:\n\n     Refrigerator.\n    \n     contact: (408)721-3702\n              jamesl@galaxy.nsc.com\n\n \n","1503":"From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)\nSubject: Re: CNN California MC helmet law article\nArticle-I.D.: prcrs.5914\nOrganization: PRC Realty Systems, McLean, VA\nLines: 31\n\n\n  <jlp.733424226@wink>, jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes:\n> \n> Hey! it works. You could present the paragraph above to virtually any member\n> of the non-motorcycling public and they'll buy right into it.\n> \n> Just about any argument you can produce in favor of banning helmetless\n> riding can be used to argue in favor of banning motorcycles.\n> It's just a matter of degree.\n\nThat's absurd! That statement must therefore say that any argument in favor\nof seatbelts or airbags is an argument against automobiles.  Any argument\nfor lifeguards is an argument against swimming.  It says that any agrgument\nin favor of safety precautions is an argument for banning the activity to \nwhich the precautions apply.  Extrapolating to that degree is ridiculous,\nthere wouldn't be any normal human activity left to do; therefore it is\na non-seqitur.\n\nAlso, even though most people do not ride motorcycles, they do boat, sail,\njetski, climb, ski, fly parachute, hang-glide, glide, bungee-jump, bike,\nskate, rollerblade, skateboard, play rugby (ouch), mow the lawn, rewire\nthe basement, operate heavy machinery,  and do a host of other 'dangerous'\nthings that would all be as valid as motorcycling as activities to ban.\nYour little homily applies to all those things, and the general public\nbuying into banning motorcycles without realizing that their activity\nwould be next is unlikely.\n\n-- \n | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | \"Donuts!  Is there anything they     |\n | DoD# 541   Diviner of Dreams       |  can't do? \"           Homer         |\n | HIFI# 2                            |                                      |\n","1504":"From: huot@cray.com (Tom Huot)\nSubject: Re: Ulf and all...\nLines: 29\nNntp-Posting-Host: pittpa.cray.com\nOrganization: Cray Research Inc.\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nRichard Wernick (richard@amc.com) wrote:\n: You should be ashamed to call yourself an Ulf Samuelson fan. Anybody who plays\n: the way he does, does not belong in the NHL. There have been cheap shot artists\n: through the history of the game, but a lot of them have been talanted players.\n: Bobby Clarke, Kenny Linsemen, Pie McKenzie, Chris Chelios etc.. but nobody has been\n: out right as dirty a cheapshot coward as Ulf. Violence in hockey has got to be curbed\n: and players like (Should have been a Women) Samuelson don't belong. When players\n: like Ulf, who's main purpose is to injure the better players in the league is allowed\n: to continue, and the league won't stop it, the players should. A Christian Pro 1000\n: aluminum stick directed at his ugly head should do the trick nicely. If the Bruins get\n: a chance to meet Pittsburgh in the near future, you can bet Neely will have his day.\n: The sight of watching Ulf turtle up like the coward he is, is worth almost as much as a\n: Stanely Cup. This wimp of a player almost ruined the career of one the best right wingers\n: in the game. If you are to remove Ulf Samuelson from the lineup, the Penguins would not\n: even notice he's gone. He's an eyesore on the game of hockey.\n\n\n: Rich\n\n\nThank you for your extremely lucid and well thought out observation.\nNow when you get back on your medication, please let us know how you\nare feeling. \nThank you,\n--\n_____________________________________________________________________________\nTom Huot        \t\t\t       \nhuot@cray.com \n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n","1505":"From: croaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney)\nSubject: Re: CNN for sale\nOrganization: Gotham Communications Research\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 10\n\n\nI will add my voice to the (hopefully) growing multitudes.\n\nI hereby pledge $1000.00 towards the purchase of CNN, under the same conditions\nas already described.  I will also post this idea on the other nets I can \naccess (RIME and Libernet).\n\nWe may have to organize this ourselves, so I am looking for help.\n\nFrank Ney  N4ZHG  EMT-A  LPVa  NRA ILA GOA CCRTKBA 'M-O-U-S-E'\n","1506":"Subject: roman.bmp 06\/14\nFrom: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)\nReply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of South Dakota\nLines: 958\n\n\n------------ Part 6 of 14 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End of part 6 of 14 --------\n \n\n\n","1507":"From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: Insane Gun-toting Wackos Unite!!!\nLines: 21\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\nDistribution: na\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.030706.3318@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:\n\n>>> Do you know how many deaths each year are caused by self-inflicted gun-\n>>> shot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters?\n>\n>There are roughly 1200 fatal, firearms-related accidents each year.\n>The large majority involve rifles and shotgun; there are under 500\n>fatal handgun accidents each year. I really doubt all of those\n>occur while the pistol is holstered, so the number of \"self-inflicted\n>gunshot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters\" is probably\n>well under 250 per year.\n\n       I'm neither a doctor nor a firearms tech expert, but it would seem\nthat given the way a holstered gun points, accidental injuries inflicted\nthat way would be among the least lethal.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - \"I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft;  I'm beginning to think you don't\nlove me anymore.\" - \"Weird Al\"\n","1508":"From: RFP@jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu (Rebecca Priver)\nSubject: Summer Sublet available in Baltimore\nOrganization: Johns Hopkins University, Homewood Academic Computing\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: jhuvm.hcf.jhu.edu\n\nLarge bedroom for rent from June 1-Aug 15 in row house near JHU (Homewood).\nNo smokers or pets.  Share house with 2 or 3 F law students.  F professional\/\nstudent wanted. 2 bath,large kitchen - remodeled last summer, hardwood floors,\nlr,dr, washer and dryer.  Beautiful details.  Rent $325 + 1\/4 utilities.\nLocated on bus lines.\n \nFor more info email me : RFP@JHUVM\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n","1509":"From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson)\nSubject: Argic\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nYou are brain damaged. That hate of++0B1FATransfer cancelledf yours courses\nthrough your sick body like poison. It's just a matter of time. Your fate\nis sealed.\n---\nProLine:  cosmo@pro-angmar\nInternet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com\nUUCP:     uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo\n","1510":"From: rahdert@thrombus.seas.upenn.edu (Dave Rahdert)\nSubject: Ticket: San Francisco => Philadelphia\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Dept. of Mechanical Engineering and Applied Mechanics\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: thrombus.seas.upenn.edu\n\n\nOne way ticket (return leg of roundtrip ticket) for female traveler\n\n\n\nSan Francisco ==> St. Louis ==> Philadelphia\n\n\nMay 21, 1993 (Friday)  leaves SFO     10:25 am\n                       arrives Phila.  8:43 pm\n\n\n\n.............$150   or best offer\n\n\n\n\nreturn E-mail    or call 215\/387-0203 (home)  \n                         215\/898-8099 (office)\n","1511":"From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe)\nSubject: URGENT **** TED FRANK WANTED FOR KILLING AJ TEEL...\nArticle-I.D.: im4u.1pspp7INN3ea\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 307\nNNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu\n\n...His account that is.\n\nMany important issues, and some not-so important ones, are discussed here\non the net on a daily basis.  I have just been informed of what I feel is\none of the most important things that we could ever discuss -- The \nout-and-out censorship of one of our fellow posters because some people\ndon't like what he says or thinks.\n\nWe have all seen the postings here by AJ Teel.  Although many of us have\nnot agreed with their content, I'm sure most of us have been at least\nsomewhat interested in them.  I, for one, am greatful to live (I thought)\nin a country where people like Mr. Teel are allowed to say what they please.\nIf I don't wan't to read it, I can just skip on by, or unsuscribe.  But,\nunfortunately, some people cannot let others live and let live.  They feel\nan overwhelming need to snuff out the little bastards.  Now it seems that\nMr. Teel will be with us no more, due mainly to our brother, and cheif\nnet police, Ted Frank.\n\n\nPLEASE HELP AJ TEEL REGAIN NET (POST) ACCESS AND CORRECT THIS INJUSTICE. \n\n                      ARE YOU ON TED'S HIT LIST?  \n                      ARE YOUR THOUGHTS CORRECT?  \n                        IS YOUR ACCOUNT SAFE?\n         HAS YOUR SYSADMIN BEEN CONTACTED BY THE THOUGHT POLICE?\n\nI thought the NLG and the ACLU supported people with diverse opinions. NOT!\n\n \nPlease read the following forwarded messages from AJ Teel so that \nyou may understand this vial act for what it is...\n\n------------------------------ forwarded ---------------------------------\n\nNewsgroups: alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,talk.politics.misc,misc.legal\nSubject: Officer Ted Frank, Thought Police Badge Number NWO-666\nSummary: Ted wins the argument by killing his opponent!\nExpires: \nDistribution: \nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nKeywords: NWO Ted Frank\n\nWell, well, well... Thanks to eck@panix.com (Mark Eckenwiler) and\nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank), my account is to be axed.\nI guess that the information I am presenting is just toooo difficult\nfor them to deal with. They (ONLY Ted and Mark) have complained to my\nsysadmin some unknown number of times to get me off the net. (In his\ndefense, Mark sent only one message and it was not THAT bad; it has\nbeen posted in one of the newsgroups; However, it *was* not directed\nat me as would be common practice and I am VERY good at responding\nvia netmail...)\n\nWhile I disagree with Ted, I would not send mail to his sysadmin\nto get him axed. Name-calling was not enough; jumping on every post\nI made was not enough; ignoring specific points when they were not\nwhat the desired picture was not enough; SIMPLY IGNORING ME IF I\nAM SUCH A KOOK WAS NOT ENOUGH. Even now I do not wish to have him\naxed, but I do wish to express my disgust about this. \"Argumentum\nad silence-your-opponent-um\"?! I would have thought he would have\nwanted me to stay around just to have someone to yell about and\nseem sooo wise... (to himself, I think).\n\nThe issue that seems to be: \"Is the following an advertisement?\"\nApparently, Ted and Mark think so...\n\n1) I Posted an article from around one year ago as it was taken \n\t*off the net* from last year. If reposting an article\n\tconstitutes posting an ad, then I am guilty. This post\n\tdid have a name and address and, yes, a price. If one\n\thad posted the address and subscription price of \"Newsweek\",\n\twould that be an ad? I get nothing from showing this stuff.\n2) I Posted a list of documents showing examples of the kind of\n\t\"proof\" that was REQUESTED BY TED FRANK. He then complains\n\tto my sysadmin saying that I am advertising and, lo and\n\tbehold, \"poof\", there goes my account. This one had an\n\taddress in it! Oh, no! I Guess that means it is an ad!\n\nIf you value the alternative view I have been discussing, or VALUE\nITS DISCUSSION even if you do not agree with it, I ask that you send\na note saying as much to me to show to the sysadmin. They rarely get\n\"Ya know, that user on your net was real helpful...\" or whatever; they\nonly get \"I don't like what that user is doing because...\".\nPlease do not send the note to the sysadmin. I need to take it to them\nin a manner that has at least a chance of getting through.\n\nIn my files here are hundreds of responses from people saying \"Thanks for\nthe info\" or \"Could you send me such and such?\" or \"Your posts are\nvery interesting... keep it up.\" and only a handfull of \"Go aways\". But,\nI guess the fact that I have decided not to waste my time trying to\nconvince Ted is a Net Offense[TM] of such magnitude as to warrant\na message complaining about me. (Knock, knock...\"My name is Ted and\nand this is Mark... We're from the thought police. Seems you have\nsome pretty dangerous ideas here, and we're here to confiscate them...\")\nNWO Indeed!\n\nGuess I will have to go back to the drawing board and come up with\na new plan... Thanks Ted and Mike. Hope you are happy.\nI will be on for a few more days and then... that's all folks!\nYour comments and support are requested. I can no longer post\nto news. I ask what this has accomplished... Is there some benefit\nfrom making alternative views simply vanish? Not in my book. \nSeems the easiest way to win an argument is to make the opposing side\nshut up. Images of Waco.... ah, but alas... And all this when I am in the\nprocess of typing in a letter to me from the Tax Collector saying that\na lien was removed due to a letter that I wrote challenging jurisdiction.\nOh, well... It takes time to come up with the info requested, and I\nwas just getting started.\n\nIt should be noted that Ted Frank has been accused publicly over 40\ntimes of being an NWO supporter and has never made an statements to the\ncontrary. Further, what ARE Ted Frank's motivations for getting me axed?\nWe all know that SOME PEOPLE are getting paid to collect info on people\non the net that are of \"interest\" to the government, and Ted sure seems\nto have a *personal* interest in debunking me. Hmmm... just who does\nhe work for? The University of Chicago which he \"attends\"(?) is well\nknown as one of the biggest NWO supporters...\n\nAnd finally, if anyone would be able to help me find a new account here\nin the Boulder\/Denver area, I would greatly appreciate it. I am in the\nprocess of installing Linux and so will be able to do UUCP or maybe\na TC\/IP connection. Any help here would be greatly appreciated. Since I\nam longer be able to post news and will no longer have email VERY\nsoon, I hope that anyone who wishes to contact me will do so via:\n\n\tA. J. Teel, Sui Juris\n\tc\/o USPS Box 19043\n\tBoulder, Colorado, U.S.A.\n\tPostal Zone: 80308-9043\n\t\n\tor leave me voice mail at: c\/o (408) 281-0434\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nSelected messages from Ted Frank via sysadmin follows:\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nWith Explicit Reservation Of All Rights (U.C.C. 1-207)\nRegards, -A. J. Teel-, Sui Juris (ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU)\n\n\n---------------------------\n\n>From barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu Mon Apr  5 14:39:21 1993\nReceived: from locutus.cs.colorado.edu by dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU with SMTP id AA14777\n  (5.65c\/IDA-1.4.4 for <ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU>); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 14:39:19 -0600\nReceived: by locutus.cs.colorado.edu with SMTP id AA15908\n  (5.65c\/IDA-1.4.4 for <ajteel>); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 14:36:54 -0600\nMessage-Id: <199304052036.AA15908@locutus.cs.colorado.edu>\nTo: \"Ted Frank\" <thf2@midway.uchicago.edu>\nSubject: Re: List of documents \nCc: cstmr@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, csops@locutus.cs.colorado.edu,\n        ajteel@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, vaxops@locutus.cs.colorado.edu\nReply-To: trouble@cs.colorado.edu\nIn-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 05 Apr 93 13:29:06 CDT\nDate: Mon, 05 Apr 93 14:36:51 -0600\nFrom: barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu\nStatus: OR\n\n--------\n\n    Please ask ******* to stop advertising his wares on the network. Thank you.\n\t\t\t[Editor's Note:    ^^^???]\n    \n    In article <1993Apr5.154256.5169@colorado.edu> ajteel writes:\n    >[START OF DOCUMENT: doclist.txt.lis ]\n    >DOCUMENTS NOW AVAILABLE\n    >\n    >BILL MEDINA, Sui Juris\n    >Post Office Box 70400\n    >Sunnyvale, California, U.S.A.\n    >Postal Zone: 94086-0400\n    \n    (79 lines deleted).\n\n---------------\n  Resolution:\n---------------\n\nThank you.  He has been warned before.  We are taking action.\n\n\nBarbara J. Dyker                       Department of Computer Science\nManager, Computer Operations           Campus Box 430B, ECEE00-69\nbarb@cs.colorado.edu                   University of Colorado\n(303) 492-2545                         Boulder, CO  80309-0430\n\n--------------------\n>From barb@locutus\n.cs.colorado.edu Mon Apr  5 15:50:36 1993\nReceived: from locutus.cs.colorado.edu by dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU with SMTP id AA15809\n  (5.65c\/IDA-1.4.4 for <ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU>); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:50:34 -0600\nReceived: by locutus.cs.colorado.edu id AA16069\n  (5.65c\/IDA-1.4.4 for ajteel); Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:50:27 -0600\nDate: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 15:50:27 -0600\nFrom: Barbara Dyker <barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu>\nMessage-Id: <199304052150.AA16069@locutus.cs.colorado.edu>\nReceived: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1)\nReceived: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1)\nTo: ajteel@locutus.cs.colorado.edu\nSubject: your account\nCc: vaxops@locutus.cs.colorado.edu, usenet@locutus.cs.colorado.edu,\n        mozer@locutus.cs.colorado.edu\nStatus: OR\n\n[...]\n\nI had already warned you that your inappropriate use of\nyour account here must stop.  You have used your account\nhere as a soapbox for your political \"sui juris\" agenda.\n\n[...]\n\n> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 13:26:43 -0700\n> From: barb@locutus.cs.colorado.edu\n> To: ajteel@locutus.cs.colorado.edu\n> \n\n> Also, if you are reported for any more commercial\n> announcements, your account may be disabled. \n\n[Editor's note: What commercial advertisemnets are we talking about?]\n\n> From: barb@bruno.cs.colorado.edu\n> To: \"A.J. Teel\" <ajteel@dendrite.cs.colorado.edu>\n> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 93 17:26:40 MST\n> \n\n[...]\n\n> As long as\n> they aren't causing any problems, we typically don't\n> mind. ...We have received two complaints about the\n> content of your messages so far (at least one of which I\n> consider valid) - which already constitutes excessive\n> in my book.  Just don't let it happen again. \n\n[Editor's note: I *wonder* who the other post was from??!]\n\n>From laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu Thu Mar 18 01:40:15 1993\nTo: \"Ted Frank\" <thf2@midway.uchicago.edu>\nSubject: Re: Bouncing \n\nCc: cstmr@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu, csops@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu\nReply-To: trouble@cs.colorado.edu\nIn-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 17 Mar 93 21:05:59 CST\nDate: Thu, 18 Mar 93 08:40:15 MST\nFrom: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu\n\n--------\n\nIn article <1993Mar18.012344.6213@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU\n    >Bounced names:\n    >   garry@research.att.com\n    >   bill@kean.usc.mun.ca\n    >   jad@hopper.Virginia.EDU\n    >   kima@gator.rational.com\n    >\n    >Hello All:\n    >   I am having trouble reaching the following (keeps bouncing).\n    >   If you sent me mail and haven't gotten a response, check here.\n    >   Also, can anyone tell me why these are bouncing? I used\n    >   the reply in elm which should send it right back, right?\n    >With Explicit Reservation Of All Rights (U.C.C. 1-207)\n    >Regards, -A. J. Teel-, Sui Juris (ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU)\n    >\n[...]\n\n[Editor's Note: The reason for posting the header lines from the bounced\nmessages was to show what the problem was and hopefully correct it.]\n\n[Ted Frank] It's inexcusable to post 150 lines of bounced mail headers to four\nnewsgroups.\n    A simple four-line post would have been sufficient.\n\n---------------\n  Resolution:\n---------------\n[Lazlo]\nyes i agree. BUT our policy is to not watch everypost someone  here  \nmakes.\nwe generally let the net itself take care of inappropriate postings\nby flaming the user into shape (which i assume this is ment to be).\nwe (CS operations) don't like to get involved in this stuff (unless\nits illegal, repetitive posts of 1gig gifs, harassment, or something\nelse that offends the community in general). my suggestion is that\nyou take it to email and explain what a post for bounces should look  \nlike or tell him to RTFM\n\nlaz\n[Editor's note: Obviously, Ted had no such intention of doing so...]\n\nted frank                 | \"However Teel should have mentioned that though \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |  his advice is legally sound, if you follow it \nthe u of c law school     |  you will probably wind up in jail.\"\nstandard disclaimers      |                    -- James Donald, in misc.legal\n\n[Editor's Note: From this .sig, it seems obvious that Ted Frank has an\naxe to grind... Why that particular quote?.... Hmmm... Sure makes me wonder.]\n\n\n-- \n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n|  Lance W. Bledsoe        lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu        (512) 258-0112  |\n|  \"Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free.\"         |\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n","1512":"From: jacob@plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu (nga throgaw shaygiy)\nSubject: Memory upgrades\nOrganization: UCB Space Sciences Lab\nLines: 29\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: plasma2.ssl.berkeley.edu\n\n\nExcuse me if this is a frequent question, I checked in\nseveral FAQs but couldn't really find anything.\n\nI have a IIsi with the standard 5 meg memory and I want\n(need) to add additional memory.  But I'm on a budget.\nI really don't need more than 10 meg max, so what is\nthe best (performance wise) and most economical way\nto do this?  Someone told me that I should only use\nSIMMs of the same amount of memory, that is 4 1 meg,\n4 2 meg, etc.  What if I just wanted to buy just 1 4 meg\nand use the rest of what I already have?  The manual\nhasn't been very helpful with this.\n\nThanks.\n\n(Respond via e-mail if it isn't worth the bandwidth.)\n____________________________________________________________________\n\"common human laws and interests     \"I wouldn't exactly call it a\n and emotions have no validity        a happy dogma, but it makes me\n or signifigance in the vast          feel better about not \n cosmos-at-large...\"                  getting laid...\"\n\t\t-HP Lovecraft                 -R. Carter\n____________________________________________________________________\n                                       ______   ______   __     \n                                    | \/\\  ___\\ \/\\  ___\\ \/\\ \\    \n  jacob@sunspot.ssl.berkeley.edu    | \\ \\___  \\\\ \\___  \\\\ \\ \\___\n                                    |  \\\/\\_____\\\\\/\\_____\\\\ \\_____\\\n                                    |   \\\/_____\/ \\\/_____\/ \\\/_____\/\n","1513":"From: DSHAL@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu\nSubject: Re: Clintons views on Jerusalem\nOrganization: C.C.S.O.\nLines: 10\n\nIt seems that President Clinton can recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol\nwhile still keeping his diplomatic rear door open by stating that the Parties\nconcerned should decide the city's final status. Even as I endorse Clintons vie\nw (of course), it is definitely a matter to be decided upon by Israel (and\nother participating neighboring contries).\nI see no real conflict in stating both views, nor expect any better from\npoliticians.\n-----\nDavid Shalhevet \/ dshal@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu \/ University of Illinois\nDept Anim Sci \/ 220 PABL \/ 1201 W. Gregory Dr. \/ Urbana, IL 61801\n","1514":"From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig \"Powderkeg\" DeForest)\nSubject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50\nArticle-I.D.: daedalus.ZOWIE.93Apr5215616\nOrganization: Stanford Center for Space Science and Astrophysics\nLines: 37\nNNTP-Posting-Host: daedalus.stanford.edu\nIn-reply-to: Brad Thone's message of Fri, 02 Apr 93 21:41:53 CST\n\nIn article <foo> Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD> writes:\nWell, there *is* a difference.\n\nI don't happen to have my SAE manual handy, but oil viscosity in general\n_decreases_ with temperature.  The SAE numbers are based on a `typical'\ncurve that oils used to all have, running from (say) the viscosity of a\nroom-temperature 90-weight at 0C, down to (say) that of a room-temperature \n5-weight at 20C, for a typical 40-weight oil.\n\nOils that are designed for operation in `normal' temperatures just have\na weight specification.  Oils that are designed for operation in exceedingly\ncold temperatures have a `W' tacked on the end, so in winter in a cold\nplace, you'd stick 10W in your car in the winter and 40 in it in the summer,\nto approximate the appropriate viscosity throughout the year.\n\nModern multi-viscosity oils change viscosity much less with temperature.\nAs a result, their viscosity graphs cross over several curves.  A multi-vis\nspecification pegs the curve at two temperatures, a `normal' operating\ntemperature and a `cold' one (though I can't remember the numbers...).\n\nIn any event, the weights do indicate a significant difference.  Remember\nthat your engine is temperature-regulated (by the thermostat and\nradiator or air fins) most of the time -- unless you overheat it or\nsomething.\n\nAny weight of oil is better than no oil, or than very old, carbonized\noil.  Thin oil won't (in general) lubricate as well at temperature,\nthicker oil will (like a 20W50) will lubricate better at temperature, \nbut not as well during startup, when most engine wear occurs.  \n\nIf you're planning on making long drives, the 20W50 is probably fine\n(esp. in the summer) in your 10W40 car.  But if you're making short drives,\nstick to the 10W40.\n\n\n--\nDON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!\n","1515":"From: miket@empros.com (Mike Tipton)\nSubject: Character Codes Problems\nReply-To: miket@empros.com\nNntp-Posting-Host: sbb1.empros.com\nOrganization: Empros Power Systems Control, a division of Siemens EA\nLines: 15\n\nHelp!\nI am working on a project that involves using text with foreign language\ncharacters (in this case Norwegian). I have been manipulating the data\nwith Excell 4.0 and then exporting the data as comma seperated variable\nfiles to an RS6000 workstation.  The Norwegian characters show up fine\nunder Windows, but appear as \"funny\" characters on the workstation.  The\nworkstation is setup for national language support and we have problem\nentering the Norwegian characters from the workstation keyboard. \nOn further investigation I found that the character codes used by\nWindows are different (for these characters) than those specified by the\nMSDOS code page.  The MSDOS codes seem to be the same as the\nworkstation.  What gives, and how can get around it.\nPlease reply by E-mail as I will be out of the office the next few days\nand will not be reading the news.\nThanks.\n","1516":"From: alan@lancaster.nsc.com (The Hepburn)\nSubject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community\nOrganization: National Semiconductor Corporation\nLines: 73\n\nIn article <saross01.734885336@starbase.spd.louisville.edu>, saross01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu (Stacey A. Ross) writes:\n|> In <C5I2s2.3Bt@odin.corp.sgi.com> rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:\n|> >You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that\n|> >can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons.\n|> >Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off.\n|> \n|> What?! White, yes. Well off, definitely not. Hockey season ticket owners have\n|> the lowest average income of any of the four major North American sports.\n\nDo you have a basis for this claim?  Try these stats (taken from Playboy Magazine\nJune 1989):\n\nPercentage of pro football fans who have attended college:    39.7\nPercentage of pro baseball fans who have attended college:    41.5\nPercentage of pro basketball fans who have attended college:  39.9\nPercentage of pro hockey fans who have attended college:      54.6\n\nPercentage of pro football fans who earn more than $50K:      34.9\nPercentage of pro baseball fans who make more than $50K:      22.7\nPercentage of pro basketball fans who make more than $50K:    27.7\nPercentage of pro hackey fans who make more than $50K:        44.0\n\n|> \n|> And think of where the majority of hockey players come from. From a farm out\n|> in Boondock, Saskatchewan or Weedville, Alberta.\n|> \n\nThe biggest advantage that kids from Boondock or Weedville have is the\navailability of ice.  In the San Jose area we have a population of 800,000\nand that population is served by 2 ice arenas.  In contrast, Kamloops,\nBritish Columbia has a population of about 50,000 and has 5 rinks!  There\nare also myriad ponds, pools, etc that freeze in the winter.  Down here\nit's hard to find a kid without a bicycle; up there it's hard to find a kid\nwithout a pair of skates.  And before you say \"what does he know? He's from\nCalifornia.\" let me say that I was born and raised in Trail, British Columbia,\na town of about 8,000 with lots of ice in the winter.  My father did radio\nplay by play for the local team, the Trail Smokeaters, who by  the way, were\nthe last Canadian team to win the World Championship (back in 1961).  I was\non skates almost as soon as I could walk, and have been playing recreational\nhockey for about 35 years.\n\n|> >When was the last time you saw a hockey league in the inner city.\n|> >The insurance alone is a big enough barrier.\n|> \n|> The inner city isn't the only place that is poor.\n|> I think the biggest barrier to hockey in the inner city is... no ICE to play on.\n\n\nLack of ice is a big factor, but costs is a bigger factor.  Both my kids play for\nthe Santa Clara Valley Hockey Association and this season, which just ended,\ncost me $75 per kid for membership in Hockey USA, plus $750 per kid for club\ndues.  The Hockey USA fees cover excess medical insurance, and the club dues\ncover ice time, officials, trophies, etc.  Other areas have similar fees, unless\nthe city government subsidises some of the costs, as Stockton does.\n\nBy the way; most ice arenas are located in what could be called the \"inner city\"\nareas.  Eastridge and Vallco are exceptions ... Redwood City's rink is in an\nindustrial area on Bay Rd, near 101, Berkeley's is near Ashby and Martin Luther\nKing, Stockton's is in Oak Park, Sacramento's is in an older section of downtown\n(I forget the name of the street), Fresno's is out on the edge of town, just west\nof 99.  Santa Rosa's is a nice rink, but it's in an older section of town.\nDublin's is outside of town, off 580.  Most of the rinks are old, and expensive\nto run, with huge electric bills and insurance premiums.  If you want to buy ice\ntime expect to pay around $100 per hour at any of these rinks.  Some of them\ngive you a 60 minute hour for your money; others give you a 50 minute hour and\ninclude the resurfacing time in the fee.\n\n\n-- \nAlan Hepburn           \"A man doesn't know what he knows\nNational Semiconductor       until he knows what he doesn't know.\"\nSanta Clara, Ca              \nalan@berlioz.nsc.com                              Thomas Carlyle\n","1517":"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky)\nSubject: Dir Yassin (was Re: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freeman, with blood greetings from Israel)\nIn-Reply-To: hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU 's message of Tue, 13 Apr 93 14:15:18 GMT\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University\nLines: 85\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.141518.13900@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU  writes:\n\n   CHECK MENAHEM BEGIN DAIRIES (published book) you'll find accounts of the\n   massacres there including Deir Yassen,\n   though with the numbers of massacred men, children and women are \n   greatly minimized.\n\nAs per request of Hasan:\n\nFrom _The Revolt_, by Menachem Begin, Dell Publishing, NY, 1977:\n\n[pp. 225-227]\n\n    \"Apart from the military aspect, there is a moral aspect to the\nstory of Dir Yassin. At that village, whose name was publicized\nthroughout the world, both sides suffered heavy casualties. We had\nfour killed and nearly forty wounded. The number of casualties was\nnearly forty percent of the total number of the attackers. The Arab\ntroops suffered casualties neraly three times as heavy. The fighting\nwas thus very severe. Yet the hostile propaganda, disseminated\nthroughout the world, deliberately ignored the fact that the civilian\npopulation of Dir Yassin was actually given a warning by us before the\nbattle began. One of our tenders carrying a loud speaker was stationed\nat the entrance to the village and it exhorted in Arabic all women,\nchildren and aged to leave their houses and to take shelter on the\nslopes of the hill.  By giving this humane warning our fighters threw\naway the element of complete surprise, and thus increased their own\nrisk in the ensuing battle. A substantial number of the inhabitants\nobeyed the warning and they were unhurt. A few did not leave their\nstone houses - perhaps because of the confusion. The fire of the enemy\nwas murderous - to which the number of our casualties bears eloquent\ntestimony. Our men were compelled to fight for every house; to\novercome the enemy they used large numbers of hand grenades. And the\ncivilians who had disregarded our warnings suffered inevitable\ncasualties.\n\n    \"The education which we gave our soldiers throughout the years of\nrevolt was based on the observance of the traditional laws of war. We\nnever broke them unless the enemy first did so and thus forced us, in\naccordance with the accepted custom of war, to apply reprisals. I am\nconvinced, too, that our officers and men wished to avoid a single\nunnecessary casualty in the Dir Yassin battle. But those who throw\nstones of denunciation at the conquerors of Dir Yassin [1] would do\nwell not to don the cloak of hypocrisy [2].\n\n    \"In connection with the capture of Dir Yassin the Jewish Agency\nfound it necessary to send a letter of apology to Abdullah, whom Mr.\nBen Gurion, at a moment of great political emotion, called 'the wise\nruler who seeks the good of his people and this country.' The 'wise\nruler,' whose mercenary forces demolished Gush Etzion and flung the\nbodies of its heroic defenders to birds of prey, replied with feudal\nsuperciliousness. He rejected the apology and replied that the Jews\nwere all to blame and that he did not believe in the existence of\n'dissidents.' Throughout the Arab world and the world at large a wave\nof lying propaganda was let loose about 'Jewish attrocities.'\n\n    \"The enemy propaganda was designed to besmirch our name. In the\nresult it helped us. Panic overwhelmed the Arabs of Eretz Israel.\nKolonia village, which had previously repulsed every attack of the\nHaganah, was evacuated overnight and fell without further fighting.\nBeit-Iksa was also evacuated. These two places overlooked the main\nroad; and their fall, together with the capture of Kastel by the\nHaganah, made it possible to keep open the road to Jerusalem. In the\nrest of the country, too, the Arabs began to flee in terror, even\nbefore they clashed with Jewish forces. Not what happened at Dir\nYassin, but what was invented about Dir Yassin, helped to carve the\nway to our decisive victories on the battlefield. The legend of Dir\nYassin helped us in particular in the saving of Tiberias and the\nconquest of Haifa.\"\n\n\n[1] (A footnote from _The Revolt_, pp.226-7.) \"To counteract the loss\nof Dir yassin, a village of strategic importance, Arab headquarters at\nRamallah broadcast a crude atrocity story, alleging a massacre by\nIrgun troops of women and children in the village. Certain Jewish\nofficials, fearing the Irgun men as political rivals, seized upon this\nArab gruel propaganda to smear the Irgun. An eminent Rabbi was induced\nto reprimand the Irgun before he had time to sift the truth. Out of\nevil, however, good came. This Arab propaganda spread a legend of\nterror amongst Arabs and Arab troops, who were seized with panic at\nthe mention of Irgun soldiers. The legend was worth half a dozen\nbattalions to the forces of Israel. The `Dir Yassin Massacre' lie\nis still propagated by Jew-haters all over the world.\"\n\n[2] In reference to denunciation of Dir Yassin by fellow Jews.\n","1518":"From: grady@netcom.com (1016\/2EF221)\nSubject: IDEA vectors?\nOrganization: capriccioso\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 11\n\nI am testing IDEA block cipher implementations for correctness\nand needs some golden test vectors.  I've looked through\nthe postscript IDEA chapter but the single example gives me\nzero degrees of freedom.  I'll contact the inventor if necessary\nbut since we are NOT paying him money for use of his invention,\nI'd like to offload this from him.  Anybody got vectors?\n(No disease vectors, please).\n\n-- \ngrady@netcom.com  2EF221 \/ 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC  58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F\n\n","1519":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>>So, you are saying that it isn't possible for an instinctive act\n>>to be moral one?\n>I like to think that many things are possible.   Explain to me\n>how instinctive acts can be moral acts, and I am happy to listen.\n\nFor example, if it were instinctive not to murder...\n\n>>That is, in order for an act to be an act of morality,\n>>the person must consider the immoral action but then disregard \n>>it?\n>Weaker than that.   There must be the possibility that the\n>organism - it's not just people we are talking about - can\n>consider alternatives.\n\nSo, only intelligent beings can be moral, even if the bahavior of other\nbeings mimics theirs?  And, how much emphasis do you place on intelligence?\nAnimals of the same species could kill each other arbitarily, but they\ndon't.  Are you trying to say that this isn't an act of morality because\nmost animals aren't intelligent enough to think like we do?\n\nkeith\n","1520":"From: urbina@novax.llnl.gov\nSubject: Telcom wiring question...need help\nOrganization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, NCD\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: novax.llnl.gov\n\n\nI've got two lines coming into my apartment. Two different telephone numbers.\nWhen I ordered the second line installed, instead of bringing out another 4\nwire bundle, the telco just connected up to my yellow and black wires. So I\nhave one line on red & green and the other on yellow & black.\n\nToday I was monitoring the voltage on both lines. I had a voltmeter across\nthe red and green and read back 52 volts. I then lifted up the receiver on my\nsecond line.(black & yellow wires) The voltage dropped to 31 volts on the first\nline. (red & green wires) I repeated this experiment with the second\nline(monitoring black & yellow and lifting the handset off the cradle on the\nred and green line.) It also dropped to 31 volts. \n\nWhy is this ? I thought these were separate lines.\n\nNext I went to the 66 block and disconnected the blue and white lines coming in\nfrom the telco cable. I then disconnected all the phones in my apartment and\nwent back to the 66 block and did some resistance measurements. Both lines read\nopen.\n\nI'll appreciate any help on this. Is this considered normal ?\n\nGuy Urbina\n\nUrbina@novax.llnl.gov\n \n","1521":"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: Star Trek (TOS) novels: 3\/$8 package\nSummary: Price of the Phoenix; Fate of the Phoenix; Memory Prime\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 16\n\n\nSome reading from a recent interview trip ... waiting all day at\nO'Hare a month ago, waiting out the storm here in New York!\n\n\tThe Price of the Phoenix; \n\tThe Fate of the Phoenix; \n\tMemory Prime\n\nTake the package for $8, or in trade for a good used CD ...\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n","1522":"From: Thomas Kephart <kephart@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu>\nSubject: Re: Thanks Apple: Free Ethernet on my C610!\nOrganization: Case School of Engineering\nLines: 13\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7E72D2F8001F2E6@b62182.student.cwru.edu>\nX-XXDate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 12:50:55 GMT\n\nIn article <Apr.6.12.05.34.1993.11732@pion.rutgers.edu> Gregory Nelson,\ngnelson@pion.rutgers.edu writes:\n>\tOh, and the screen seems tojump in a wierd way on power-up.\n>I've seen this mentioned by others, so it must be a...feature...\n>\tAnyway, above all, it's fast.  A great machine at a great price!\n\nWell, I saw a few posts on this and asumed that everyone is talking about \nthe new 14\" display... mine does it to... kinda like when I would degauss \nmy old 13\", and since the new one lacks this button, I assume that is \nwhat it is doing... anyone that knows I'd appreciate the info, but it \ndoesn't worry me...\n\n-t\n","1523":"From: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine)\nSubject: Re: plus minus stat\nNntp-Posting-Host: hudson.uvic.ca\nReply-To: gballent@hudson.UVic.CA\nOrganization: University of Victoria, Victoria, BC, Canada\nLines: 24\n\n\nIn article 1@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi, hahietanen@tnclus.tele.nokia.fi () writes:\n>In article <1993Apr14.174139.6604@sol.UVic.CA>, gballent@vancouver.UVic.CA (Greg  Ballentine) writes:\n>> \n>> \n>> +\/- is a good stat because it is the only stat that I am aware of that\n>> takes into account defensive play.  It isn't a measure of defensive\n>> play- it takes into account offense and defence- all aspects of play.\n>                                                   \n>  If we are interested of real all-round players, the power play stats\n>  should be considered, too. Because the power play is also one aspect \n>  of play! There is still something to be done with these player evaluation\n>  tools!!\n\nIMO any good player should score on power plays because of the man\nadvantage.  Very good power play scorers tend to become overrated\nbecause their point totals are inflated by power play points.\n+\/- tends to expose these overrated players such as Brett Hull,\nJohn Cullen and Dave Andreychuck.\n\nGiven the opportunity to play power play consistently, any player can\ninflate his totals.\n\nGregmeister\n","1524":"From: cmwand@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Wand)\nSubject: Re: Syquest 150 ???\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <93759@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt8798a@prism.gatech.EDU (Anthony S. Kim) writes:\n>I remember someone mention about a 150meg syquest.  Has anyone else\n>heard anything about this?  I'd be interested in the cost per megabyte and the\n>approximate cost of the drive itself and how they compare to the Bernoulli 150.\n\nI think you must be talking about the Syquest 105 (code named Mesa I believe).\nIt is a 3.5\" Winchester technology drive pretty much like the other Syquest\ndrives in terms of how it works. According to the latest MacLeak, the \ndrive has a 14.5 ms access time, 1.9 MB\/s sustained throughput (these figures\nare from memory so they could be slightly off, but they give you an idea of\nperformance nonetheless). The drive was originally released for the PC\nand just recently was released for the Mac world (don't ask me what the \ndifferences are) and through they are currently in limited supply, according\nto a Syquest rep. they are in the process of ramping up for mass production.\nI have already seen them advertised by a number of manufacturers in MacLeak\nincluding PLI, MassMicro, ClubMac, and MacWarehouse's PowerUser. The PLI\nand MassMicro units are priced at just around $1000; the lesser name brands\nare going for around $750 for an external drive. Cartridges which hold \n105 MB sell for about $80 each. At these prices, the drives and cartridges\nare cheaper and better performing than the 88MB drives.\nCost per megabyte compares favorably with other cartridge drives and Bernoulli\ndrives, but for large amounts of data optical is still cheaper, and more\nreliable.  Personally, I'm excited by the new drive and look forward to \ngetting my hands on one.\n-Chris Wand\n\n-- \n\n\"Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.\"\n                                                     - Frank Leahy\n","1525":"From: ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil\nSubject: Re: Is ms-windows a \"mature\" OS?\nKeywords: ms-windows\nReply-To: ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil\nOrganization: Carderock Division, NSWC\nLines: 12\n\n\nIn article <C5snBs.J3H@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy writes:\n>>(1) You can not create hierarchy groups. There is no way to create a group\n>>    in a group. (If you know how, please tell me.)\n\nGet Norton Desktop.  Put groups within groups, groups on the desktop, icons\non the desktop, etc.\n\n--\nChris Ruckman - ruckman@oasys.dt.navy.mil | This .sig brought to you by\nHull Structures Acoustics, Code 741       | your local Chevrolet bottler.\nCarderock Division, NSWC                  | \n","1526":"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nSubject: Re: Do we need the clipper for cheap security?\nOrganization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA  USA\nLines: 68\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com\nX-Newsreader: InterCon TCP\/Connect II 1.1\n\npmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:\n> If the Clipper chip can do cheap crypto for the masses, obviously one \n> could do the same thing WITHOUT building in back doors. \n\nI agree.  So why is Cylink the only (and expensive) game in town?\n\nNote: I think Cylink is great, and if my boss would double my salary, I'd buy \na bunch of their stuff :).\n\nOne thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of \nsecurity than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems.\nThis means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to \ndeploy.  This is, of course, either a bug or a feature depending on how you \nlook at it :).\n\n> Indeed, even without special engineering, you can construct a good \n> system right now. A standard codec chip, a chip to do vocoding, a DES \n> chip, a V32bis integrated modem module, and a small processor to do \n> glue work, are all you need to have a secure phone.\n\nGreat!  Where can I buy it?\n\nAnother note: If \"Clipper\" increases the incentive to bring stronger \nencryption to the mass market, all the better.  It's far overpriced at \nthe moment.\n\n> Yes, cheap crypto is good -- but we don't need it from the government.\n\nI don't care where we *need* to get it from, I care where we *can* get it \nfrom, and whether it will interoperate with everyone else.\n \n> Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to \n> stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to \n> the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for the \n> NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As it \n> is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been for \n> them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now. \n\nYou can build them right now as long as you don't want to export (a \nrestriction I firmly oppose).  The only thing stopping people from making \ncheap encryption is greed: they want a lock on the market.\n\n> They aren't the ones making cheap crypto available. They are the ones \n> keeping cheap crypto out of people's hands. When they hand you a \n> clipper chip, what you are getting is a mess of pottage -- your prize \n> for having traded in your birthright. \n\nOh, come on.  Only if you trust it farther than it deserves.  A Clipper phone \n*IS NOT* a substitute for a Cylink phone, or a STU-III.  It's a substitute \nfor the \"voice scramblers\" advertised in the back of Radio Electronics.\n\n> Are we getting cheaper crypto \n> for ourselves? No, because the market would have provided that on its \n> own had they not deliberately sabotaged it.\n\nI disagree.  Modulo ITAR, it's not the government that has sabotaged the \nmarket.\n\n> Someone please tell me what exactly we get in our social contract in \n> exchange for giving up our right to strong cryptography? \n\nCan you tell me where exactly we have given up that right?\n\n\nAmanda Walker\nInterCon Systems Corporation\n\n\n","1527":"From: bigal@wpi.WPI.EDU (Nathan Charles Crowell)\nSubject: Wallpaper in Windows 3.1\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\n\nHi there,\n\nIs there any utility available that will make Windows\nrandomly select one of your windows directory's .BMP\nfiles as the wallpaper file?\n\nNate\n--------------------------\nNathan C. Crowell, Dept. of Materials Science\/ACRL\n\nWorcester Polytechnic Institute     E-mail: bigal@wpi.wpi.edu\n\n\"A flower?\"-Genesis \"Supper's Ready\"\n--------------------------\n","1528":"Subject: Re: There must be a creator! (Maybe)\nFrom: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nReply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <16BA1E927.DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU>, DRPORTER@SUVM.SYR.EDU (Brad Porter) writes:\n>\n>   Science is wonderful at answering most of our questions.  I'm not the type\n>to question scientific findings very often, but...  Personally, I find the\n>theory of evolution to be unfathomable.  Could humans, a highly evolved,\n>complex organism that thinks, learns, and develops truly be an organism\n>that resulted from random genetic mutations and natural selection?\n\n[...stuff deleted...]\n\nComputers are an excellent example...of evolution without \"a\" creator.\nWe did not \"create\" computers.  We did not create the sand that goes\ninto the silicon that goes into the integrated circuits that go into\nprocessor board.  We took these things and put them together in an\ninteresting way. Just like plants \"create\" oxygen using light through \nphotosynthesis.  It's a much bigger leap to talk about something that\ncreated \"everything\" from nothing.  I find it unfathomable to resort\nto believing in a creator when a much simpler alternative exists: we\nsimply are incapable of understanding our beginnings -- if there even\nwere beginnings at all.  And that's ok with me.  The present keeps me\nperfectly busy.\n\n-jim halat\n\n","1529":"From: feilimau@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Yale Lin)\nSubject: Mac IIsi Cache options\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 15\n\nReaders,\n\nI have found that the cache upgrade options for the Mac IIsi include the\nfollowing:\t1) AE QuickSilver\n\t\t2) Daystar Fastcache IIsi\n\t\t3) Daystar ComboCache IIsi\n\t\t4) LogiCache IIsi 64k cache\n\nI'd be interested in hearing opinions on any or all of these options.\nThe other alternative is to upgrade to a CPU accelerator such as the\nLogiCache 50 MHz. Ideas, comparisions?\n\nfelix lin\nfeilimau@leland.stanford.edu\n\n","1530":"From: cntrspy@netcom.com (Executive Protection Assoc)\nSubject: Re: Blast them next time\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 32\n\n\/\/\/\/\/\/\/   And we thought the unfortunate people in the Branch Dividians were\n          Brainwashed ??  They don't hold a candle to this guy......\n\n\nD:d\n:wq\n\n\nB\n\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\nDaniel Oldham (oldham@ces.cwru.edu) wrote:\n: What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of\n: had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the\n: compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened.\n: \n: The BATF needs more people, better weapons and more armored\n: transports. When they meet hostile fire they should be able to use\n: more force instead of retreating to a stand off. If you are going to\n: do a job then do it right. The BATF is there to protect us and they\n: must have the proper equipment and people to do the job.\n: \n: With the WoD and the increased crime in the streets the BATF is needed\n: more now then ever. If they blast away a few good fokes then that is\n: the price we all have to pay for law and order in this country. Look\n: at all the good people that died in wars to protect this great country\n: of ours.\n: \n: With the arms build up in Waco they needed to hit that compound with\n: mega fire power. They could of gone in there blasting and killed a few\n: women and kids but it would of been better then letting them all burn\n: to death 51 days later.\n: \n","1531":"From: pvtmakela@hylkn1.Helsinki.FI (M{kel{ Veikko)\nSubject: Re: Astronomy Program\nOrganization: University of Helsinki\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <28641@galaxy.ucr.edu> datadec@ucrengr.ucr.edu \n(kevin marcus) writes:\n\n>Are there any public domain or shareware astronomy programs which will\n>map out the sky at any given time, and allow you to locate planets, nebulae,\n>and so forth?  If so, is there any ftp site where I can get one?\n\n\n   There are several star map programs available.  Your\n   job is to choose that you like.  Try anonymous-FTP\n   from:\n\n\tftp.funet.fi:pub\/astro\/pc\/stars\n\t\t\t       pc\/solar\n                               mac\n\t\t\t       amiga\n\t\t\t       atari\n   \n\t\t\t\t\tregards,\n\t\t\t\t\t-Veikko-\t\n","1532":"From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)\nSubject: Re: April 1( was Re: FAQ - What is the DoD?)\nExpires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT\nOrganization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <9901221@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:\n>In rec.motorcycles, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:\n>\n>> Last year, I believe it was, Jeff Deeney posted what I've since come to\n>> recognize as the ultimate April Fools posting ever.  It wasn't particularly\n>> nice of him, as several people were quite fooled and very worried about\n>> him, but I can't fault the effectiveness.\n>\n>Based on numerous inputs (most of them unprintable), I deemed it time for a\n>kinder, gentler, April 1.  Not that I didn't have something really sick and\n>twisted ready to post :-)  Perhaps next year. \n\nPersonally, I think Jeffy-Poo was still smarting more from the third degree\nburns he suffered after April 1st last year rather than the supposed burns\nthat he suffered in \"the joke\".  Granted I was one of those people that were\ntaken in by it and I was certainly concerned...and then pissed at him for \npulling such a thing (which I made known to him).\n\nBut then again, for an April Fool \"joke\" I would also go on record as saying\nthat it was the best orchestrated one I've ever seen and it certainly sucked\na LOT of people into believing it 8-( 8-| 8-\\ 8-)...\n\n\"sick\" - \"twisted\"??? Who in this group could ever be accused of such a thing?\n\nI tip my twisted lid to thee Jeffy 8-).\n\n\nRich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com\n1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173\n\"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect\n us from the evil men do in the name of good\"\n","1533":"From: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)\nSubject: HELPHLPHELPHELP\nReply-To: cmgrawbu@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 149\n\n*******\n*******  This is somewhat long, but pleas read it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\n*******\n\n\n\nBoy am i glad you decided to read this. I've got a problem that \nI need as many people's help from as possible.\n\nBefore I go in to the details of this, let me go ahead and tell\nyou that (though it may sound it) this is not one of those boy\nmeets girl problem...at least not totally like that to me....Anyway...\n\nOK, I am a 19 year old Sophmore at NCSU. About 10 years ago, my family\nand I were vacationing at the coast in a cottage we rented. Across the\nstreet, was ths girl who would whistle at me whenever she saw me...\nher name in Erin. Well, we became friends that week at the beach and have\nbeen writing each other for about 10 years....there was a period of about\n2 years we lost contact..but that was a while ago. \n\nBy the way...Erin lives in Kansas and me in NC.\n\nOK, last year in one of her letters, she says that she is coming\nback to NC to see some of her family who are gonna be there. So I\ndrove about 4 hours to see her. This is where it begins....I spent\nthe whole day with Erin....one of the best days of my life. Even though\nwe had been writing each other, we still had to get used to being\nin person....she has got to be the most incredible woman I ever met.\n(She's one year older than me BTW). I mean, no person in the world could\nask for a better person. Not only was she incredibly beautiful (not to \nmention WAY out of my league...although I'm  not unattractive mind you), but\nshe had a great personality and a great sence of humor. Her family\nis one of those families who goes to church but that is about the\nextent of their Christianity...you know the kind of people. But she\nknows I am a Christian. \n\nWell, you get the idea of what I think of her. If there is ever such\na thing as love at first sight....I found it. That was last year...I kid\nyou not when I say that I have thought about her EVERY day since then.\n\nIn out letters, Erin and I always kid each other about not finding\ndates..(which is true for me, but I know it can't be for her).\nShe has had some problems at home, her folks split up and she ended\nup leaving school....Now we are at the present...\n\nLet me give you part of the letter I got from her last week....\n\n\n\"Okay, now I'm going to try to explain my life to you. I'm not\ngoing to KU anymore because something just isn't right. College\njust wasn't clicking with me here. Greek life is really big here and\nthat just isn't my way. I wasn't taking any classes that truly interested\nme & i really have no idea of what i want to do with my life. I was\ninterested in something medical (Physical Therpy) & I love working with \nkids, but 'it' just didn't work for me at this university. And my parents\ncould tell.\n\n\"So I'm working full time at the Bass Store [Bass shoes that is] and now\nI have a part-time job at a local daycare. I work in the infant room\nM-W-F. I've really enjoyed it so far. It spices up my week a little bit and \nit's great experience.\n\n\"As of now, I'm not planning on going back to school in the very\nnear future. The main reason being my indecision on what I want to\nstudy. But I definatley plan on going back within the next couple of\nyears. Where? I have no idea--except for one thing, it won't be\nto Kansas.\n\n\"Right noew I'm discussing a promotion with my boss and district \nmanager. It looks like I'll train at the store I work at now for\nabout 4-6 months as Assistant Manager and when that's done, I'll \nbasically be given a list of stores (newly or soon to be built) to \nchose where i would like to manage. I've pretty much decided on either\none of the Carolinas (hopeully close to the beach) Wouldn't it\nbe fun to actually see each other more than once every few years??\nWhat do you think abou that? I would like to know your opinion.\n\n\"This job would pretty much be temporary. But it is VERY GOOD pay\nand any thye of management experience would look good on an application\nor resume. The company is solid and treats it employees very well. Good\nbenefits, bonuses & medical plans. Plus- after 1 year of full-time\nservice, they will reimburse tuition. I do have school money waitng\nfor me, but this will help, especially since I will probably end up \npaying out of state tuition wherever I go.\n\n\"Chris, i really would like to know what you think of my decision. I \nrespect your opinion. I've been completely lost for what to do for \nsoooo long that when the opportunity came along it sounded really \ngood. I do like my job although I'm about 99.9% sure that i want\nto do more with my life than reatil management..but it IS something.\nI don't think earning about $20,000 a year for a 20 year old female\nis too bad. \n\n\"Anyway, onto your career decisions. I'll solve your problem right now,\nMARRY ME...\n\n\"You can do your pilot thing-- I like to be by myself sometimes! Seriously\n(or not as seriously)- do what will make you the happiest, worry about the\nhome life later.\"\n\n***********\n\nOK, well I'm sure you see what has got me so uptight. What do you\nthink she meant about the marraige thing?? \n\nI dream at night about marrying her, and then she mentions it in her\nletter!!! I don't know what to think??\n\nSince she wants to move to the Carolina's should i search out a \nBass store near here and aske her to come to Carolina???\n\nI always pick on those people who graduate from high school and\nget married....but what does she mean??? \n\nI've had a lot of stress lately with exams and also the fact that \nI don't date beacause 1) No time  2) Not that much $$ 3) that\nmost college women are wrapped up in the social scene with  the\nGreeks whic as a Christian I can't support-----and here\nshe says she doesn't like the Greek thing either!!\n\nMaybe I'm so stunned because there is actually a girl that I am\nso attracted to paying some real attention to me.\n\nI mean, what if she did move to NC...what would I do??? I'm\nonly 19 and she 20....I'm only a Sophmore struggling through\nclasses..\n\nI have prayed about this over the past year from time to time..\nsaying, \"God if she is the right one, let the situation open up..\"\n\nCould this be my sign???\n\nI would do ANYTHING to get her to NC...here is some moree that makes \nit worse..\n\nShould I call her?? I'm terrible over the phone. I don't even like\nto talk to my friends here for longer than 3 minutes.\n\nI mean, what would a girl as perfect as her want with a very\naverage guy like me??\n\nI'm really confused....I would really appreciate any help i can get.\n\nThanx \n\nChris\n\n[I have a feeling that it might be more appropriate to talk with\nChris directly via email.  --clh]\n","1534":"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: Wholly Babble (Was Re: free moral agency)\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <2944159064.5.p00261@psilink.com>\n\"Robert Knowles\" <p00261@psilink.com> writes:\n \n(Deletion)\n>Of course, there is also the\n>Book of the SubGenius and that whole collection of writings as well.\n \n \nDoes someone know a FTP site with it?\n   Benedikt\n","1535":"From: rmohns@vax.clarku.edu\nSubject: RE: Win NT - what is it???\nOrganization: Clark University\nLines: 52\n\nIn a previous article, alanchem@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Alan Scott Olson) wrote:\n>Two-part question:\n> \n>1)  What is Windows NT - a 'real' windows OS?\n> \n>2)  This past weekend, a local 'hacker' radio show metioned a new product\n>    from Microsoft called 'Chicago' if I recall.  Anyone know what this is?\n> \n>That is it -\n> \n>Thanks a heap.\n> \n>- Alan\n\nWindows NT is a giant Windows Operating System.  Unline Win3.1, it does not \nrun on top of DOS.  It is its own OS, with (Billy Gates assures us) true \nmulti-tasking\/multithreading, meets DOD security specs, will run win3.1 \nprograms as well as DOS programs, has multi-processor support, and is\nprimarily a Server program.  It's overhead is too high for it to be\neconomical for most users.\n\tSpeaking of overhead, it requires at least a 386 with 16 megs of RAM.  \nIt iwll run with 12, but that's like running OS\/2 2.0 with 4 megs.  And that's \njust to run it.  Also, I have heard that the system files take up 30-50 Megs, \nand it is recommended that your drive be a half gig!  The SKD is distributed \non CD-ROM.\n\nChicogo is what I want to use.  It is, like NT, a true OS with thrue \nmultitasking and multithreading, but has much smaller hardware requirements, \nand does not meet DOD security specs (but that's okay since it will probably \nbe more of a client OS).  there are a few otehr differences, but those are the \nmain ones.  There was an article about Chicogo in PC Week last August.\n\tThe Chicogo and NT development groups at Micro$oft are in intense \ncompetition, so it is said.  However, I think a different relationship will \narise: NT will be the server (*N*etowrk *T*echonology), Chicogo will be the \nclient machine.  It is entirely possible for different OS's to work together, \npartly because Chicogo is just a small NT (think of it that way, anyway).  \n(Novell Netware creates an OS on the server that is truly not DOS, so don't\nscorn the concept.)\n\tAnyway, don't expect it soon.  Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to be \nreleased next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't be out \ntil '96.\n\tWith luck, I'll be proven wrong! =)\n\nRob\n\n         |------------------------------------------------------------|\n                      \\       rmohns@vax.clarku.edu       \/\n               _________\\                               \/________\n                          \\         Rob Mohns         \/\n               ==================================================\n                    Annoy Rush Limbaugh.  Think for yourself.\n               ==================================================\n","1536":"From: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan)\nSubject: Re: Turkey-Cyprus-Bosnia-Serbia-Greece (Armenia-Azeris)\nReply-To: tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T Atan)\nOrganization: Iowa State University\nLines: 81\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.174657.6176@news.uiowa.edu>, mau@herky.cs.uiowa.edu (Mau\nNapoleon) writes:\n> From article <1993Apr15.092101@IASTATE.EDU>, by tankut@IASTATE.EDU (Sabri T\nAtan):\n> > Well, Panos, Mr. Tamamidis?, the way you put it it is only the Turks\n> > who bear the responsibility of the things happening today. That is hard to\n> > believe for somebody trying to be objective.\n> > When it comes to conflicts like our countries having you cannot\n> > blame one side only, there always are bad guys on both sides.\n> > What were you doing on Anatolia after the WW1 anyway?\n> > Do you think it was your right to be there?\n> \n> There were a couple millions of Greeks living in Asia Minor until 1923.\n> Someone had to protect them. If not us who??\n> \n> > I am not saying that conflicts started with that. It is only\n> > not one side being the aggressive and the ither always suffering.\n> > It is sad that we (both) still are not trying to compromise.\n> > I remember the action of the Turkish government by removing the\n> > visa requirement for greeks to come to Turkey. I thought it\n> > was a positive attempt to make the relations better.\n> > \n> Compromise on what, the invasion of Cyprus, the involment of Turkey in\n> Greek politics, the refusal of Turkey to accept 12 miles of territorial\n> waters as stated by international law, the properties of the Greeks of \n> Konstantinople, the ownership of the islands in the Greek lake,sorry, Aegean.\n> \n> There are some things on which there can not be a compromise.\n> \n> \n> > The Greeks I mentioned who wouldn't talk to me are educated\n> > people. They have never met me but they know! I am bad person\n> > because I am from Turkey. Politics is not my business, and it is\n> > not the business of most of the Turks. When it comes to individuals \n> > why the hatred?\n> \n> Any person who supports the policies of the Turkish goverment directly or\n> indirecly is a \"bad\" person.\n> It is not your nationality that makes you bad, it is your support of the\n> actions of your goverment that make you \"bad\".\n> People do not hate you because of who you are but because of what you\n> are. You are a supporter of the policies of the Turkish goverment and\n> as a such you must pay the price.\n> \n> > So that makes me think that there is some kind of\n> > brainwashing going on in Greece. After all why would an educated person \n> > treat every person from a nation the same way? can you tell me about your \n> > history books and things you learn about Greek-Turkish\n> > encounters during your schooling. \n> > take it easy! \n> > \n> > --\n> > Tankut Atan\n> > tankut@iastate.edu\n> > \n> > \"Achtung, baby!\"\n> \n> You do not need brainwashing to turn people against the Turks. Just talk to\n> Greeks, Arabs, Slavs, Kurds and all other people who had the luck to be under\n> Turkish occupation.\n> They will talk to you about murders,rapes,distruction.\n> \n> You do not learn about Turks from history books, you learn about them from\n> people who experienced first hand Turkish friendliness.\n> \n> Napoleon\n\n\nWell, Napoleon. It is your kind of people who are preventing peace \non the world. First of all, you didn't answer the question I asked\nat the end of my posting. And then you told me some bullshit\nthroughout your posting which had no positive point about the issue,\nfilled with hatred, and filled with emotions. Why am I doing this?\nForget it, I don't think you are worth it to discuss the issue.\n \n\n--\nTankut Atan\ntankut@iastate.edu\n\n\"Achtung, baby!\"\n","1537":"Subject: Ovarian cancer treatment centers\nFrom: <RBPRMA@rohvm1.rohmhaas.com>\nOrganization: Rohm and Haas Company\nLines: 9\n\nA relative of mine has recently been diagnosed with \"stage 3 papillary cell\novarian cancer\".  We are urgently seeking the best place in the country for\ntreatment for this.\n\nDoes anyone have any suggestions?\n\nAs you might suspect, time is of the essence.\n\nThanks for your help.                                      Bob\n","1538":"Subject: re: WINBENCH 3.11 help -- graphics comparison?!?\nFrom: srg3sir@grv.grace.cri.nz\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rmayston.grace.cri.nz\nLines: 25\n\n\n\nIn article <C4zoGD.C56@news.udel.edu> swyatt@bach.udel.edu (Stephen L Wyatt) writes:\n>I have a question about WINBENCH (pc labs thing) 3.11..\n>\n>I have a 386\/33 and a Ahead B (512k) card and got these results-\n>\n>windows vga driver - 2.44 million\n>ahead B (640-480-256) driver - 455,000 winmarks\n>windows svga (800-600-16) driver - 1.68 million winmarks...\n>\n>I was thinking about upgrading to a diamond 24x card.. I read it had about\n>8 million winmark..\n>\n>obviously this is MUCH MUCH greater... but is this in 256-color mode or what?\n>is this a good card...street price is about $170...\n\nOn my 386dx 33Mhz 4Mb RAM\nWinbench 2.5\n 24x v2.02 16.7M        1,668,274\n     v2.03 16.7M        1,668,985\n     v2.03 16           4,602,428\n     v2.03 256          7,635,278\nRichard Mayston\nmaystonr@grace.cri.nz\n","1539":"From: dwayne@stratsft.uucp (Dwayne Bailey)\nSubject: Need help identifying Serial board\nOrganization: Strategic Software, Redford, Michigan\nLines: 26\n\nI need some help with a multi port serial board of unknown origin.  I'm\nhoping someone knows what this board is, or, even better, what the various\nswitches and jumbers are used for.\n\nAnyway, here's  description of the card:  It is a 16-bit card, although\nI noticed that none of the contacts in the 16-bit extension are connected\nto anything.  It has 4 NS16550AN chips in sockets, and 4 corresponding\nconnecters labeled COM1 - COM4.  There is also an external female connector\nwith 37 pins.  There are 8 banks of 8 switches, 2 banks of 4 switches, and\n7 jumpers.  I believe that I have determined, by following traces, that\nSW5 and SW6 (12 switches in all) control the interrupt level for each of\nthe COM ports.  SW5[1-4] are for IRQ3, SW5[5-8] are for IRQ4, and SW6[1-4]\nare for IRQ5.  The other switches are beyond my meager ability to follow.\n\t     \nThe only identification printed on the board is \"MULTI SERIAL PORT BOARD\"\nacross the bottom.  There is a box for serial number, but it is blank.\nImmediately below the words \"SERIAL NO\", but not in the box left for\nthe S\/N, are the numbers \"1990 2 8\".\n\nAnyone have any clues?  Your help is greatly appreciated.\n\n-- \ndwayne@stratsft.UUCP       + \"We have ways to make you scream.\" \nDwayne Bailey              + -- Intel advertisement,\nStrategic Software         +  in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal\nRedford, Michigan          + \n","1540":"From: bradski@retina.bu.edu (Gary Bradski)\nSubject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!\n\t<1993Apr14.201143.20969@src.honeywell.com>\n\t<C5HuBA.CJo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>\n\t<1993Apr15.031349.21824@src.honeywell.com>\nOrganization: Boston University Center for Adaptive Systems\nLines: 32\nIn-reply-to: amehdi@src.honeywell.com's message of 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT\n\n>>>>> On 15 Apr 93 03:13:49 GMT, amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) said:\nIn article <1993Apr15.031349.21824@src.honeywell.com> amehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:\n . . . \n>> Who is the you Arabs here.  Since you are replying to my article you\n>> are assuming that I am an Arab.  Well, I'm not an Arab, but I think you\n>> are brain is full of shit if you really believe what you said.  The\n>> bombardment of civilian and none civilian areas in Lebanon by Israel is\n>> very consistent with its policy of intimidation.  That is the only\n>> policy that has been practiced by the so called only democracy in\n>> the middle east!\n\n>> I was merley pointing out that the other side is also suffering.\n>> Like I said, I'm not an Arab but if I was, say a Lebanese, you bet\n>> I would defende my homeland against any invader by any means.\n                                       ^^^\nThe Syrians?  Iranian agents?  Or just Israeli invaders?\n--\n@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@   ---------------\nGary Bradski                  I'net: bradski@park.bu.edu       | reverberate |  \nCognitive and Neural Systems                                   ---------------\nBoston University.                                                 |  V V\n111 Cummington St, Boston MA 02215                                 ^   Y\n617\/ 353-6426                                                     ^ ^  | \n                                                               --------------\n            I don't even agree with some of my opinions        |   or die!  |\n@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@   --------------\n\n\n\n   \n   \n   \n","1541":"Subject: roman 02\/14 \nFrom: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)\nReply-To: pwiseman@salmon.usd.edu (Cliff)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of South Dakota\nKeywords: bmp, wallpaper\nLines: 958\n\n\n------------ Part 2 of 14 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End of part 2 of 14 --------\n \n\n\n","1542":"Subject: Re: PHILS, NL EAST NOT SO WEAK\nFrom: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby)\nExpires: Tue, 27 Apr 1993 04:00:00 GMT\nOrganization: Virginia Commonwealth University\nLines: 13\n\n\nThat's very true.  I live in Richmond, home of the AAA Richmond\nBraves, and they have this guy Ryan Klesko who hit 17 HR's at home\nlast year.  Now that doesn't sound like a whole lot, BUT the way the\n\"Diamond\" is built, Home runs are a rarity.   In fact, Ron Gant,\nBrian Hunter and David Justice all proved they could hit in\nRichmond.  When they were sent to the majors, they never came back.\nIf you can hit in Richmond, you can hit anywhere.  \n\nSo far, after beating Scranton (Phillies) 9-0 in the first game, the\nbest team in AAA history has been rather underwhelming.  Too many\nexpectations I guess.  \n\n","1543":"From: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein)\nSubject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18\nReply-To: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de (Holger Ohlwein)\nOrganization: Siemens Nixdorf Informationssysteme AG\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 139.21.16.6\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.085435.6895@ericsson.se>, etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson) writes:\n \n>  OK, I forgot the Czech roster at home yesterday, but now I have it.\n>  I don't know the teams for all players, so I would appreciate if\n>  you guys could fill in the blanks for me (especially I think some\n>  of these players play in Finland).\n> \n>  The Czech Republic\n>  ------------------\n> \n>  Goaltenders:\t 1. Petr Briza\t\t(Finland somewhere, right?)\n\t\t\t\t\tsigned contract for EV Landshut, Germany\n\t\t\t\t\tfor the 1993\/94 season\n \n>  Defense:\t 3. Leo Gudas\t\t?\n\t\t\t\t\tEC Hedos Muenchen, Germany\n\t\t\t\t\tsince 1992. \n\nHolger \n\n-- \nS I E M E N S    Holger Ohlwein   AP153   Otto-Hahn-Ring 6    8000 Muenchen 83\n-------------    Tel: + 49 (89) 636-3746  Email: holger.ohlwein@ap.mchp.sni.de\nN I X D O R F    Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together.\n","1544":"From: fredm@media.mit.edu (Fred G Martin)\nSubject: Re: Put ex. syquest in Centris 610?\nOrganization: MIT Media Laboratory\nLines: 54\n\nI've just installed a 5.25\" tape backup in my C610; lot of the issues\nare the same.  So, to answer your questions...\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.141820.1@cstp.umkc.edu> kmoffatt@cstp.umkc.edu writes:\n\n> My PLI 80M syquest drive has a wire from the\n> drive to an id# switch on the outside of the case.  Where do I connect\n> this switch??  Can the computer just \"tell\" with internal drives?\n\nYou probably want to hard-wire the SCSI ID with shorting jumpers.  Put\nit at a convenient number like \"1\".  You *could* cut a hole in the\nback of the machine to route the ID switch, but why go through the\nhassle?  You probably won't be needing to frequently change the ID of\nyour internal drive.\n\n>\tI noticed that the drive will lay over part of the motherboard (I\n>didn't look closely, but I seem to recall it laying over the ram that's\n>soldered onto the motherboard?  Would that cause problems?\n\nYeah, when I first installed the tape drive I was a little concerned\ntoo.  But it's no problem, the device is designed to fit just fine\nwith the overhang.  It shouldn't reach back beyond the ROM\/RAM\/VRAM\nSIMMs, though.\n\n>\tOne last question!  Is there anywhere to order a faceplate cover?  \n>the drive's front panel is smaller than the space left in the case (the\n>drive's panel is the same size as the spotsBM clone's cases).  Should I just\n>cut a hole in the plastic panel that is currently holding tmpty place?\n\nYou can special-order parts to mount the device from your local Apple\ndealer.  The relevant parts are:\n\n  922-0358  blank bezel faceplate\n  922-0850  CD-ROM carrier [i.e., generic 5.25\" device mounting bracket]\n\nNote Apple's unfortunate choice of name for the slide-in bracket to\nmount a 5.25\" device.  The service techs I talked to said, \"Oh sure,\nwe stock those.\"  Of course they were thinking of the CD caddies to\nhold a CD disk when you stick it in the drive.\n\nAs far as I can tell, Apple does not sell a bezel faceplate already\ncut out for a standard 5.25\" device.  (Why not?  They advertise\nthese machines as being able to accept any standard device in the\n5.25\" bay, why not provide the faceplate?)   They do sell a cutout for\ntheir CD-ROM drive (of course), but that's of no use.\n\nI'm going to hack up the extra bezel I ordered to make a cutout for my\ntape drive, which is a standard 5.25\" device.\n\nGood luck with your SyQuest.\n\n\t-Fred\n\n\n","1545":"From: jaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Jacob Rose)\nSubject: Re: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard\nOrganization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu\n\nviralbus@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Martin Widmann) writes:\n\n>So far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard,\n>but it seems that the 'b' is placed on the left part after the split.\n>However, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught\n>to write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish\n>and American typing, or what???\n\nIt must be... ...I type it with my left hand.  Personally, I would have\na real problem with my keyboard opened up like that, because I tend to\nshare some keys with both hands, particularly if I'm doing something else\nwith one hand (like using the cursor keys, mouse, or glass of Jolt).\n-- \n:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n\"Deej\" (Jacob Rose)    :: Amazing but true: There is so much sand in Northern\njaker@csugrad.cs.vt.edu:: Africa that if spread out it would cover the Sahara. \n:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::\n","1546":"From: darrylo@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Darryl Okahata)\nSubject: Re: Problem with Adaptec 1542B SCSI and Jumbo Tape Drive\nReply-To: darrylo@sr.hp.com\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard \/ Center for Primal Scream Therapy\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2]\nLines: 560\n\nRon Mastus (ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU) wrote:\n\n>     I've just replaced my existing DTC SCSI controller with an Adaptec 1542B,\n> and am now having trouble restoring from a Jumbo 250 tape drive.\n\n     Here's a document that I wrote some time back.  It's slightly\nout-of-date, now that DOS 6 has been released, but much of it is still\nuseful.\n\n     -- Darryl Okahata\n\tInternet: darrylo@sr.hp.com\n\nDISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not\nconstitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the\nlittle green men that have been following him all day.\n\n===============================================================================\n$Id: adaptec.txt 1.8 1993\/01\/25 00:55:08 darrylo Rel darrylo $\n          Hints and Tips for the Adaptec 1540\/1542 SCSI adapter\n\n\n     This document contains hints and tips for getting the Adaptec\n1540\/1542 SCSI adapter to work with various hardware and software\npackages.  They are based upon my experiences with an Adaptec 1542A\ncontroller, and will, hopefully, help others.  However, note that I\ncannot guarantee that the following will really help you (it works for\nme), and the information in this document could possibly cause you to\nlose some or all of your files on your hard disk.\n\n     IMPORTANT!  BACK UP THE ENTIRE CONTENTS OF YOUR HARD DISK BEFORE\nTRYING ANYTHING BASED UPON INFORMATION IN THIS DOCUMENT.\n\n     Copyright 1993, by Darryl Okahata.  This document may be freely\ncopied for personal use only, and may not be reprinted in a for-profit\npublication without the consent of the author.  Please note that I have\nno connection with Adaptec other than as a customer.\n\nTopics covered in this document:\n\n\t* Windows 3.1 enhanced mode\n\t* Floppy-controller-based tape backup devices\n\t* Sound cards\n\t* Miscellaneous info\n\n     Please note that parts of this document contain technical, and\nsometimes terse, descriptions of problems.\n\nFor reference:\n\n\tAdaptec technical support:\t(800) 959-7274\n\tAdaptec BBS (2400\/9600):\t(408) 945-7727\n\nPlease send comments, corrections, etc. via email to me:\n\n\tCompuServe:\t75206,3074\n\tInternet:\tdarrylo@sr.hp.com\n\n\n***** Windows 3.1 enhanced mode:\n\n     The Windows 3.1 install program should automatically configure DOS\nand Windows for use with the Adaptec 1542.  However, just in case\nsomething went wrong, I'm going to describe some of the changes needed\nto get Windows 3.1 working with the 1542.  Also, you may have noticed\nthat installing Windows 3.1 makes your PC run much slower, even when\nyou're not running Windows; methods of speeding it up are discussed in\nthe section called, \"Windows 3.1 runs slowly\".\n\n\n* MSDOS configuration:\n\n     The Windows install program adds the SmartDrive disk cache to your\nCONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT files.  If you follow the instructions,\nyou'll notice that you'll need to use double-buffering with SmartDrive\n(this is the default setup).  You'll also notice that your system runs\nmuch, much slower -- in both Windows *AND* MSDOS.  See the section\ncalled, \"Windows 3.1 runs slowly\", for some ways of speeding your system\nup.\n\n\n* Windows configuration:\n\n     To get the Adaptec 1542 to work with Windows, make sure that the\n\"[388Enh]\" section of the SYSTEM.INI file contains the entry:\n\n\tVirtualHDIRQ=Off\n\nI believe that the Windows install program automatically adds this entry\nto SYSTEM.INI, but I'm not sure.  If this doesn't work for you, you\nmight want to try adding some more lines:\n\n\tVirtualHDIRQ=Off\n\tSystemROMBreakPoint=false\n\tEMMExclude=A000-CFFF\n\n(You probably don't need the above lines, though.)  The\n\"SystemROMBreakPoint\" entry is used to enable support for memory\nmanagers like QEMM\/386MAX (only needed if you use such programs).\n\n\n* Windows 3.1 runs slowly:\n\n     Once you do get Windows 3.1 running with the 1542, chances are that\nyour system is running much slower than before.  If it's not, it's\nprobably because:\n\n     1. You happen to be using ASPI4DOS.SYS version 3.1 in your\n\tCONFIG.SYS file.  Congratulations -- this appears to be a\n\twinning solution.\n\n     2. You are very lucky.  Whether your luck will hold out remains to\n\tbe seen ....\n\nIf your system is running much slower than before, this is almost\ndefinitely caused by Smartdrive with double-buffering.  According to the\nWindows documentation, and the Microsoft technical note #Q81808\n(\"SMARTDrive Double Buffering Required with ASPI4DOS.SYS\"), you must use\nSmartdrive with double-buffering enabled.  While this works, it really\nslows down your PC; I once estimated that this slowed my PC down by a\nfactor of 5 (FIVE).  As I consider this unacceptable, I looked for other\nsolutions.\n\n     Unfortunately, you cannot just disable double-buffering.  If you\ndo, Windows 3.1 in enhanced mode will not work, and you might even\ndestroy the contents of your hard disk by trying to run Windows 3.1.\nWhat you can do is one of the following:\n\n     1. Use other drivers that provide double-buffering.  It is my\n\topinion that the unbelievable slowness in Smartdrive is caused\n\teither by horribly inefficient double-buffering, or by a bug in\n\tSmartdrive.\n\n     2. Use a driver that provides \"VDS\" services (\"VDS\" stands for\n\t\"Virtual DMA Services\").  This is a standard, which is supported\n\tby Windows 3.1, that allows bus-mastering disk controllers (like\n\tthe 1542) to work with Windows.\n\n     After trashing my hard disk countless times, I found the following\nsolutions, none of which require using Smartdrive (note, however, that I\nam now getting occasional parity errors, which are probably *NOT* caused\nby these solutions, but might be -- see below).  While the following\ndoes not require Smartdrive, using some kind of disk cache utility is\nstrongly recommended, as this makes Windows run much, much faster:\n\n1. If you do not have the ASPI4DOS.SYS driver, or you do not need ASPI\n   functions (for controlling a CDROM, tape drive, more than two\n   physical hard disks, etc.), you can add the SCSIHA.SYS driver to your\n   CONFIG.SYS file, e.g.:\n\n\tDRIVER=c:\\SCSIHA.SYS \/V386\n\n   (Windows needs the \"\/V386\" option.)  This driver MUST be loaded into\n   LOW memory (it cannot be loaded into high memory), and it occupies\n   about 16-20K.  As of November 1992, the SCSIHA.SYS driver could be\n   obtained from the Adaptec BBS at (408)-945-7727 (hopefully, it's\n   still there).\n\n2. If you need ASPI functions and have the ASPI4DOS.SYS driver, version\n   3.0 or 3.0a, you can use both the ASPI4DOS.SYS and SCSIHA.SYS drivers\n   in your CONFIG.SYS file, e.g.:\n\n\tDRIVER=c:\\ASPI4DOS.SYS\n\tDRIVER=c:\\SCSIHA.SYS \/V386\n\n   Amazingly enough, the SCSIHA.SYS driver can also be loaded high\n   (assuming you have DOS 5.0); I would have thought that this would\n   crash my system, but it doesn't.  I asked Adaptec's technical support\n   about this, and they said that loading SCSIHA.SYS high should be fine\n   as long as ASPI4DOS.SYS is loaded LOW.\n\n   On my system, NOT using SCSIHA.SYS with ASPI4DOS 3.0a would\n   occasionally cause Windows 3.1 to crash upon restarting or exiting\n   Windows, with the additional result of a corrupted disk (some of my\n   C:\\WINDOWS\\*.GRP files would be corrupted).  For me, these crashes\n   usually occurred while making a different program from PROGMAN.EXE\n   the default Windows shell, and vice-versa.  This is the reason\n   SCSIHA.SYS may be necessary.\n\n   I have absolutely no idea if SCSIHA.SYS is necessary with versions of\n   ASPI4DOS earlier than 3.0.\n\n   Note that many people can use ASPI4DOS 3.0 or 3.0a without\n   SCSIHA.SYS; they do not seem to have any problems at all.  I consider\n   these people lucky.  Others, like me, have had all sorts of problems.\n\n3. In my opinion, the best, but not necessarily the easiest, solution is\n   to upgrade to ASPI4DOS 3.1.  The SCSIHA.SYS driver is no longer\n   needed.  Unfortunately, while you could get previous ASPI4DOS\n   upgrades from the Adaptec BBS, the ASPI4DOS 3.1 driver is not\n   available from the Adaptec BBS.  As far as I know, there are only\n   three ways to get a copy:\n\n      * You can buy the new (as of November 1992) Adaptec EZ SCSI driver\n\tkit, which supposedly includes ASPI4DOS 3.1 as well as other\n\tdrivers, such as CDROM drivers.  I believe the list price is\n\taround $75.\n\n      * If you already have a copy of an older version of ASPI4DOS, you\n\tcan supposedly contact Adaptec to upgrade it to EZ SCSI for\n\taround $30.\n\n      * A copy of ASPI4DOS 3.1 is included in Central Point PC Tools 8.0\n\tfor MSDOS.  Note that the documentation and driver are stored in\n\tdifferent directories.  Note further that only ASPI4DOS is\n\tincluded; the CDROM drivers and drivers to support more than two\n\thard disks are not included.  This is where I obtained my copy\n\tof ASPI4DOS 3.1.\n\nNote, however, that I am now getting occasional parity errors with\nWindows.  In all probability, defective hardware in my PC is causing\nthis, as I upgraded my motherboard just after I found the above\nsolutions.  However, because these parity errors occur only during disk\naccesses, there is a very small, but definite, possibility that the\nparity errors are driver-related (for example, changing the bus on\/off\ntiming for certain disk transfers might cause this).  I've run various\nmemory tests for hours at a time, and these tests have found no\nproblems.  This problem is probably caused by memory with marginal\ntiming requirements, which cause parity errors during disk transfers\n(this is why the memory tests didn't find any problems -- the problems\nshow up only under disk I\/O).  However, I'm mentioning this just in case\nit isn't a hardware problem.\n\n\n***** Floppy-controller-based tape backup devices:\n\n     There are two possible problems with using the Adaptec 1542 with a\nfloppy-controller-based tape backup device, such as the Colorado Memory\nSystems Jumbo 250:\n\n1. Tape backups\/restores can take a very long time.  The tape drive\n   constantly starts, stops, starts, stops, etc.\n\n2. Tape operations may be erratic, or encounter too many tape errors.\n   (This problem might be caused by defective hardware on my 1542.\n   However, I've heard of other people having similar problems, and so\n   I'm mentioning this just in case it is not a hardware problem on my\n   1542.)\n\n\n* Tape backups\/restores take a long time:\n\n     If you have a floppy-controller-based tape backup device, you may\nhave to adjust the Adaptec 1540\/1542 \"bus on\/off timing\" for best\nresults when using the tape drive.  Normally, while doing a tape backup\nor restore, the tape drive motor should be continuously running, with\nonly an occasional pause.  However, the default bus timing on the\nAdaptec 1540\/1542 may cause the tape drive motor to start and stop,\nstart and stop, every few seconds.  This causes needless wear to the\ntape and tape drive (however, note that a dirty tape head or a defective\ntape drive can also cause this -- make sure your tape heads are clean).\nThis also causes the tape backup or restore to take much, much longer\nthan necessary.\n\n     The problem here is that these tape backups use the floppy DMA to\ntransfer data in memory to\/from the tape drive, and the Adaptec uses DMA\nto transfer data in memory to\/from the hard disk.  The floppy DMA needs\nto feed data to the tape drive at a certain rate; if the tape drive is\nnot fed data quickly enough by the floppy DMA, the tape drive stops,\nrewinds a bit, and restarts (once enough data is eventually fed to it).\nThe default bus timing on the Adaptec (which is really DMA timing) is\n\"too large\".  For example, when a backup is done, data has to be\ntransferred from a hard disk to memory, and then from memory to the\ntape.  Because the default timing on the Adaptec \"hogs\" the memory too\nmuch (too much time is spent transferring data from a hard disk to\nmemory), not enough time is spent transferring data from memory to the\ntape drive.  As a result, the tape drive constantly starts and stops,\nbecause data is not fed to it quickly enough.\n\n     The solution is to change the Adaptec's bus on\/off timing.  The\ndefault factory setting is 11 microseconds on, and 5 microseconds off.\nThe \"bus on\" timing needs to be lowered to 2-4 microseconds.  This can\nbe done in one of two ways:\n\n* If you have ASPI4DOS, you can use the \"\/n\" option.  For example, I use\n  a \"bus on\" timing of 4 microseconds, which means that I use the\n  following line in my CONFIG.SYS file:\n\n\tDEVICE=c:\\aspi4dos.sys \/n4\n\n  Note that there is NO space between the \"\/n\" and the \"4\".\n\n* If you don't have ASPI4DOS, your only recourse is to try to find a\n  program called \"SETSCSI.EXE\", which is very difficult to find.  The\n  reason is that Adaptec, for reasons of their own, does not seem to\n  want this widely distributed.  I once asked someone who worked for\n  Adaptec, and they asked me to not upload it anywhere.  If you have\n  anonymous ftp access to the Internet, you could try using archie to\n  hunt down a copy; I believe that there are a couple of sites that have\n  it.  If you do find a copy, you run it like so:\n\n\tsetscsi -n:4\n\n  This adjusts the \"bus on\" timing to 4 microseconds.  Running\n  SETSCSI.EXE without any arguments resets the bus timing back to the\n  factory defaults.\n\n  Note that it seems that you cannot use SETSCSI.EXE if you use\n  ASPI4DOS; SETSCSI.EXE crashed my system if ASPI4DOS was loaded.  I\n  could use SETSCSI.EXE with SCSIHA.SYS, however.\n\nDo not lower the \"bus on\" timing below 2 microseconds, or increase it\nabove 11 microseconds.  If you lower it too low, the hard disk\nthroughput will suddenly drop; your system will feel slower.  For me, 4\nmicroseconds works fine.  This value may work fine for you, or you may\nhave to adjust it downwards a little.\n\n     Once you've lowered the \"bus on\" timing, tape backups and restores\nshould run faster.\n\n     Also, do not experiment with the bus on\/off times (with the other\noptions that I have intentionally not described), unless you know what\nyou are doing.  Bad combinations can cause parity errors and worse, by\nstarving memory refresh.\n\n     A program called BUSTIFIX.EXE exists on the Adaptec BBS.  Unless\nthis has been upgraded since I last checked (which has been a while),\nthis is a self-extracting archive containing a batch file and a couple\nof other files.  This batch file was supposed to allow one to set the\nbus on\/off times for the 1540\/1542 and others.  However, when I tried\nrunning this program with my 1542A, my system crashed.  At the time, I\nwas running SCSIHA.SYS, and I didn't check to see if there was a\nconflict with it.  Maybe this old program works only with the 1542B,\nalthough the docs say that it works with the 1542A?\n\n\n* Erratic tape operations or too many tape errors:\n\n     This \"problem\" may or may not exist.  Although it existed on my\nsystem, a hardware problem just on my particular 1542 could cause it.\nHowever, I've heard of other people having similar problems, and so I'm\nmentioning this just in case it isn't a hardware problem just on my\n1542.\n\n     Symptoms of this \"problem\", which persists even after cleaning the\ntape head:\n\n1. Backing up to tape encounters \"unusable sector detected\" errors,\n   resulting in an aborted tape backup.\n\n2. Tape backup works, but the tape compare fails.\n\n3. The tape drive starts, stops, starts, stops, etc. much too often.\n   Unlike the above-mentioned problem (\"Tape backups\/restores take a\n   long time\"), where the tape drive starts and stops every few seconds,\n   this kind of starting\/stopping occurs every few 10-20 seconds or so.\n\n4. Fastback Plus 3.1 does not find\/see any tape backup devices.  Other\n   programs, like Central Point Backup and the CMS Jumbo software\n   (assuming that you have a CMS Jumbo 250 tape drive) can find\/see the\n   tape drive, but Fastback Plus 3.1 cannot.\n\n5. Too many tape read errors.\n\n     Although I do not know what is causing this problem, I discovered\nthat using a different floppy controller solves it.  A few months ago, I\nupgraded my motherboard, which contained an integrated floppy\ncontroller.  As I already had a floppy controller on the 1542, I\ninitially disabled the motherboard floppy controller.  After a while, I\ndecided to try disabling the 1542 floppy controller and using the one on\nthe motherboard.  When I did this, the tape drive (a CMS Jumbo 250)\nreliability increased dramatically, and Fastback Plus 3.1 was suddenly\nable to find and use the tape drive.\n\n     I don't know if this was caused by a hardware problem on my 1542.\nOn the one hand, the floppy drives worked great when they were attached\nto the 1542, which seems to say that there was nothing wrong with the\n1542.  On the other hand, the tape drive didn't work well attached to\nthe 1542 floppy controller, but it did work when attached to a different\ncontroller; this could be an indication of a hardware problem on my\n1542.  I did change floppy drive cables, and so it is conceivable that\nthe problem was in the cables.  I don't know what the cause really is;\nhowever, if you're having similar problems, you might want to consider\ntrying a new floppy controller.\n\n\n***** Sound cards:\n\n     Many popular sound cards can play or record digitized sound, and\nthis is typically done using DMA.  Like the tape drive DMA, the\nAdaptec's DMA can conflict with the sound card DMA.  Unlike that of the\ntape DMA, this \"conflict\" usually manifests itself as a parity error\n(your system crashes with a parity error message).  What happens is\nthat, data is being transferred so quickly by the sound card and the\nAdaptec, memory refresh cannot occur quickly enough, which causes a\nparity error.  Usually, getting a parity error means that there is a\nhardware problem with your system; in this case, however, the parity\nerror is not a symptom of bad hardware.\n\n     I've found that such parity errors typically occur while recording\ndigitized sound, and the chances of such errors increase as you increase\nthe recording fidelity (e.g., higher sampling rate, recording in stereo,\nrecording using 16-bits instead of 8, etc.).\n\n     Like the tape drive solution, the solution here is to lower the\nAdaptec's \"bus on\" timing.  See the section on tape drives for\ninformation on how this is done.  Note, however, that this may or may\nnot solve the problem; it may only reduce the probability of a parity\nerror.  The software used to record digitized sound can greatly affect\nthis problem (i.e., some software is inefficient).  Disk caches, the\nspeed of your hard disk, and the amount of disk fragmentation can also\naffect this.\n\n\n***** Miscellaneous info:\n\n     This section contains miscellaneous hints, tips, and rumors.  Much\nof it is merely information that I've heard or read about, and have not\nverified.  I believe that the following information is correct, but I'm\nnot sure.  Use it at your own risk.\n\n* With QEMM 6.00, 6.01, and 6.02, you need to specify the \"DB=\"\n  parameter (e.g., \"DB=2\"), unless you are using the ASPI4DOS driver.\n  If you don't, QEMM will crash\/hang at bootup.  Although the QEMM\n  manual mentions this, the install program does not seem to detect that\n  a 1542 is present and automatically add this option to the QEMM\n  command line (at least, this occurred with the QEMM 6.00 install\n  program -- I haven't tested any other version).  Earlier versions of\n  QEMM probably need this parameter, but I'm not sure (I've never used a\n  version earlier than 6.00).\n\n  If you use ASPI4DOS, you do not need to give QEMM the \"DB=\" parameter.\n\n* Some or all versions of the 1542 do not support hard disks over one\n  gigabyte in size.  To support hard disks with capacities over 1GB, you\n  need to get a new ROM BIOS from Adaptec.  I'm not sure if this is\n  still true of the latest 1542Bs being sold by Adaptec.\n\n* To connect a CDROM drive to the 1542, you need a SCSI CDROM drive and\n  some drivers.  Note that some CDROM drives have proprietary interfaces\n  (non-SCSI); these drives cannot be used with the 1542.  You have three\n  choices for CDROM drivers (I have no idea how well the following\n  solutions work, or even if they work -- the following is secondhand\n  information):\n\n     1. You can buy Adaptec's EZ SCSI driver package, which lists for\n\tsomething like $75.  If you already have older Adaptec drivers,\n\tyou can supposedly upgrade to EZ SCSI for around $30.  Contact\n\tAdaptec for details.  The EZ SCSI package supposedly contains\n\teverything that you need.\n\n     2. You can buy the CorelSCSI! driver package, which is made by the\n\tsame people that make CorelDRAW!  This package contains CDROM\n\tdrivers, SCSI tape drivers, WORM drivers, etc.  I do not know\n\tthe list price, but I've seen this package sold for around\n\t$80-$90.  Note that CorelSCSI! does not come with the ASPI4DOS\n\tdriver, which is needed.  If you do not already have ASPI4DOS,\n\tyou may be better off getting Adaptec's EZ SCSI instead.\n\n     3. [This method is obsolete, as the following drivers have been\n\tobsoleted by Adaptec's EZ SCSI kit, but I'm mentioning it in\n\tcase someone already has these drivers.]  You can use the\n\tdrivers in the Adaptec ASW-1410 kit (ASPI4DOS) and the ASW-410\n\tkit (ASPI CDROM drivers).  You will have to get a copy of\n\tMSCDEX.EXE (a high-level CDROM driver), if it is not included in\n\tthe ASW-410 kit, but this is available from several bulletin\n\tboards.\n\n* To use a SCSI tape drive with the 1542, you need software that knows\n  how to talk to a SCSI tape drive.  Software that I've heard about are\n  (again, like the above section on CDROM drives, I have no idea how\n  well the following solutions work, or even if they work -- the\n  following is secondhand information):\n\n     1. Central Point PC Tools 8.0 for MSDOS supposedly supports a large\n\tnumber of SCSI tape drives.  It comes with SCSI drivers\n\t(ASPI4DOS 3.1) as well as Central Point Backup.\n\n     2. The CorelSCSI! driver package contains a SCSI tape backup\n\tprogram (see the above section on CDROM drives for more\n\tdetails).  However, note that CorelSCSI! does not come with, but\n\trequires, ASPI4DOS.\n\n* I've seen advertisements that sell the 1542 in three configurations:\n\n     1. 1542 SCSI controller with hard disk ROM BIOS.\n     2. 1542 SCSI controller w\/BIOS and Adaptec ASPI drivers.\n     3. 1542 SCSI controller w\/BIOS, Adaptec ASPI drivers, and\n\tCorelSCSI! drivers\/programs.\n\n  I imagine that Adaptec now sells the 1542 in a fourth configuration:\n\n     4. 1542 SCSI controller w\/BIOS and EZ SCSI drivers (including ASPI\n\tdrivers).\n\n* Those people who use Unix might be interested in a version of GNU tar\n  for MSDOS that talks to a SCSI tape drive via the ASPI4DOS driver (you\n  need this driver before you can use this program).  I've never used\n  this version of GNU tar, but I've heard that it works (I don't know\n  how well, though).  If you have anonymous ftp access to the Internet,\n  a copy can be found on wsmr-simtel20.army.mil and mirror sites:\n\n\tPD1:<MSDOS.DSKUTL>\n\tASPIBIN.ZIP  67841 920131 Gnu Tar for SCSI tape drives, Adaptec 154xx\n\tASPIPAT.ZIP  21206 920131 Patches for ASPIBIN relative to Gnu Tar 1.10\n\tASPISRC.ZIP 221370 920131 Src for Gnu Tar for SCSI tape, Adaptec ctrlr\n\n  I have no idea if a copy can be found on Compuserve; UNIXFORUM might\n  have it, if any forum does.\n\n* As far as MSDOS is concerned, the 1542A and the 1542B controllers are\n  the same; with MSDOS, the 1542A should work as well as the 1542B.\n  However, the hardware for these two boards is not 100% identical, and\n  there is at least one (NON-MSDOS) program that initially did not work\n  with a 1542A, but did work with a 1542B (BSD386 -- a 386 version of\n  BSD Unix).\n\n* In case anyone's curious, here's an edited copy of my CONFIG.SYS file:\n\n\tFILES=40\n\tBUFFERS=40\n\tBREAK=ON\n\tSTACKS=10,256\n\tDEVICE=c:\\sys\\dev\\aspi4dos.sys \/d \/n4\n\tDEVICE=C:\\QEMM\\QEMM386.SYS on RAM ROM DMA=32 ST:M X=F800-FFFF\n\tDOS=HIGH,UMB\n\tDEVICEHIGH=c:\\sys\\dev\\nnansi.sys\n\tDEVICEHIGH=C:\\DOS\\SETVER.EXE\n\tshell = c:\\dos\\command.com \/p\n\n  Note that I'm using QEMM and ASPI4DOS 3.1.  If I were using ASPI4DOS\n  3.0 or 3.0a, I'd probably have to use a CONFIG.SYS that looked like:\n\n\tFILES=40\n\tBUFFERS=40\n\tBREAK=ON\n\tSTACKS=10,256\n\tDEVICE=c:\\sys\\dev\\aspi4dos.sys \/d \/n4\n\tDEVICE=C:\\QEMM\\QEMM386.SYS on RAM ROM DMA=32 ST:M X=F800-FFFF\n\tDOS=HIGH,UMB\n\tDEVICEHIGH=c:\\sys\\dev\\scsiha.sys \/V386\n\tDEVICEHIGH=c:\\sys\\dev\\nnansi.sys\n\tDEVICEHIGH=C:\\DOS\\SETVER.EXE\n\tshell = c:\\dos\\command.com \/p\n\n  If I weren't using ASPI4DOS, I'd probably use something that looked\n  like:\n\n\tFILES=40\n\tBUFFERS=40\n\tBREAK=ON\n\tSTACKS=10,256\n\tDEVICE=c:\\sys\\dev\\scsiha.sys \/V386\n\tDEVICE=C:\\QEMM\\QEMM386.SYS on RAM ROM DB=32 DMA=32 ST:M X=F800-FFFF\n\tDOS=HIGH,UMB\n\tDEVICEHIGH=c:\\sys\\dev\\nnansi.sys\n\tDEVICEHIGH=C:\\DOS\\SETVER.EXE\n\tshell = c:\\dos\\command.com \/p\n\n  However, if I used a floppy-controller-based tape drive, or if I\n  planned to record high-quality sound from a sound card, I would still\n  need some way of changing the Adaptec's bus on\/off times.  The first\n  two versions of CONFIG.SYS take care of this, but this last version\n  doesn't.\n\n\n\f\nLocal Variables:\nfill-column:\t72\neval:\t\t(auto-fill-mode nil)\nEnd:\n","1547":"From: rajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be (Rajiev Gupta)\nSubject: Re: Questions about Windows NT.  Help!\nNntp-Posting-Host: shelduck\nOrganization: Eurocontrol - Central Flow Management Unit\nKeywords: Windows NT, unix, sun sparc\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <C562Cq.FC7@ms.uky.edu> shan@ms.uky.edu (Minghua SHAN) writes:\n>\n>I don't know much about Windows NT, but I've always thought\n>that Win NT would run only on Intel 386\/486 compatable systems.\n>We are setting up a network which includes a SUN Sparc Server 4\/490\n>and about a dozen PC's. Some people suggest that we run Windows NT\n>on the SUN Sparc Server 4\/490 replacing the current OS (SunOS).\n>I don't know whether this is possible and whether this would do us any\n>good. I would appreciate any help on answering a few questions below.\n>\n>1. Does Windows NT run on Sun Sparc Server 490?\n>2. If the answer to question 1 is yes, does it run unix applications\n>   (such as SAS for unix).\n>3. Is Windows NT a multiuser OS?\n>4. When will Windows NT be released?\n>5. Is there any telephone number that I can call and get more\n>   info on Win NT?\n>\n>Thank you.\n>\n>Minghua Shan\n\nAs far as I have read WIN NT will be supported on Intel, DEC ALPHA and the MIPS R4000\nseries of processors only. I do remember though reading a rumour about Sparc support\nsometime in the future. I am not sure what you mean by running \"unix applications\".\nYou would have to have SAS for WIN NT (or maybe SAS for WIN16 etc). I have read \nthat MS will anounce avalaibility of WIN NT by end of May 93 (Comdex Spring). Hope\nthis helps.\n\nRajiev Gupta\n\n-- \nRajiev GUPTA\t\t\tEurocontrol - CFMU\tDisclaimer:\nrajiev@cfmu.eurocontrol.be\tRue de la Loi 72\tThese are *my* views,\nTel: +32 2 729 33 12            B-1040 BRUXELLES\tnot my companies.\nFax: +32 2 729 32 16            Belgium\n","1548":"Organization: Queen's University at Kingston\nFrom: Graydon <SAUNDRSG@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>\nSubject: Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they?\n <1993Apr24.221344.1@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>\nLines: 8\n\nIf all of these things have been detected in space, has anyone\nlooked into possible problems with the detectors?\n\nThat is, is there some mechanism (cosmic rays, whatever) that\ncould cause the dector to _think_ it was seeing one of these\nthings?\n\nGraydon\n","1549":"From: eggertj@moses.atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert x6127 g41)\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nReply-To: eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu\nOrganization: MIT Lincoln Lab - Group 41\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <Apr.12.03.44.39.1993.18842@athos.rutgers.edu> reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:\n>   The real problem was\n>   that Christians were pacifist and preached there was only one god.  When the\n>   state operates by a system of divinitation of the emperor -  monotheism \n>   becomes a capital offense.  The Jews were able to get exemption from this,\n>   and were also not evangelistic.\n\nI disagree with your claim that Jews were not evangelistic (except in\nthe narrow sense of the word).  Jewish proselytism was widespread.\nThere are numerous accounts of Jewish proselytism, both in the New\nTestament and in Roman and Greek documents of the day.\n--\n=Jim  eggertj@atc.ll.mit.edu (Jim Eggert)\n","1550":"From: me9574@albnyvms.bitnet\nSubject: Apology (printing)\nReply-To: me9574@albnyvms.bitnet\nOrganization: University of Albany, SUNY\nLines: 14\n\nDear Fellow Usenet Users:\n\n\tI would like to give a formal apology for posting an advertisement \nabout my printing business.  I did not intend this to be an advertisement, \nbut rather an offer for people on the usenet, many of whom use printing\non a regular basis.  I was not aware that this is not \"legal\" on the usenet.\nI am only trying to put myself through college.  For those of you who\nrequested information, I will write to you privately.  For those of you who \nare having fun flooding my mailbox, I think you can grow up.  To offer advice\nis one thing, but to use profanity toward me is another.\n\nThank you,  \n\nMarc    ME9574@albnyvms.bitnet\n","1551":"From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)\nSubject: Re: Adcom cheap products?\nOrganization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine\nLines: 23\n\nI have an Adcom GFA-555 that I got in 1985.  There certainly isn't\nanything magic about it.  The components used are decent, but\nnothing uncommon with respect to consumer grade components.\n\nThe GFA-555 is a nice piece of equipment.  I'm glad that Adcom had\nthe guts to not over-do the packaging.  It irks me when I see\naudiophile oriented equipment whose case and heat sinks probably\ncost much more and receive more attention than the electronics they\nare supposed to serve.\n\nI don't see any big deal about the geographic region in which\nsomething is assembled.  This is especially true for something as\nlow-technology as a GFA-555.\n\nI'd hope that a GFA-545 would still work well after several years.\nExcept under conditions of extreme abuse, there isn't much there to\ngo wrong.\n\n\n-- \nBill Mayhew      NEOUCOM Computer Services Department\nRootstown, OH  44272-9995  USA    phone: 216-325-2511\nwtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1)    146.580: N8WED\n","1552":"From: begolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (James Begole)\nSubject: Wincmd - trouble with string variables\nOrganization: VPI&SU Computer Science Department, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 19\n\nHas anyone else been playing with that wincmd utility from PC Magazine?\nIf so, I am having trouble concatenating string variables together and\nneed your help.  For example:\ntemp = \"path\"\ntemp2 = \"file.ext\"\nfullpath = temp+\"\/\"\nsay fullpath\t\t\t\/\/ output = 'th\/'\nfullpath = fullpath+temp2\nsay fullpath\t\t\t\/\/ output = 'h\/file.ext'\n\nSo, it seems to be dropping the first few characters with each\nconcatenations.  Is it that I am out of memory -- I only have maybe 20\nvariables total -- the article didn't mention memory limits. \n\nemail me if you have an idea or would like to see the actual source and\noutput.  Thanks for your help.\n\t\t-Bo\n-- \n\t--James \"Bo\" Begole\t\tbegolej@csgrad.cs.vt.edu\n","1553":"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)\nSubject: Re: My '93 picks (with only one comment)\nArticle-I.D.: master.1psqpdINNh9v\nReply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)\nOrganization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman\nLines: 47\nNNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\n\nIn article <12786@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush)  \nwrites:\n> In article <1psbg8INNgjj@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu>\n> rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert) writes:\n> >In article <jfr2.733938351@Ra.MsState.Edu> jfr2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jackie F.  \n> >Russell) writes:\n> >> psg+@pitt.edu (Paul S Galvanek) writes:\n> >> >National League West\n> >> >\tCincinnati      ----\n> >> >\tHouston          5.0\n> >> >\tAtlanta          8.0\n> >> ARGH! Here is where you are obviously dead wrong. Not since the Yankees \n> >> of the 20's and 30's has a team been so nicely setup as this years(and \n> >> years to come) Braves. I don't think that the All-Star team will be able  \n> >This may be an appropriate comparison.\n> >The 1929-31 Yankees finshed 2nd, 3rd and 2nd finshing \n> >18, 16 and 13-1\/2 games out of first. \n> >In 1933,'34 and '35 they also finished second ( though they were only\n> >7, 7 and 3 games out).\n> >Even great teams can lose - That's why they play the season.\n> >(on the other hand... I'm still picking the Braves to go all the way)\n\n> Um, surely you didn't intend to compare the '93 Reds with the\n> 29 Philidelphia A's.  The Yankees were finishing 2nd to\n> a team that was as good as the 26-28 Yankees, while the\n> Yankees had aged some from their peak years.  Ruth and Gehrig\n> couldn't play every position simultaneously.\n> \n> IMO, given the various ages of the Braves and Reds this season,\n> that the Braves will be closer to their peak, while the Reds\n> have slightly passed their peak.\n> \n> Also, if you're going to compare Braves and Yankees, a more appropriate\n> comparison to the '93 Braves might be the '23 Yankees.  \n> After falling short two years in a row in exciting World Series,\n>  both teams won\/will win the Series this year, despite the\n> heroics of some old fart on the other team. \n> (Casey Stengel\/ Dave Winfield???)\n\nPerhaps so. I was only responding to the \"Yankees of the 20's and 30's\" \npart of the comment. If those teams were a 'sure thing' and lost, \nthen it's probably not so unreasonable for someone to pick another \nteam (not that I did).\n\njohn rickert\nrickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\nGo Brewers!\n","1554":"From: marc@math.uni-sb.de (Marc Conrad)\nSubject: Re: List of large integer arithmetic packages\nOrganization: Computational Linguistics Dept., U Saarbruecken\nLines: 530\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vieta.math.uni-sb.de\n\nmrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) writes:\n\n[not very comprehensive list deleted]\n\nThere is a very comprehensive list in sci.math.symbolic, \nwhich detailed descriptions of many packages. \n(Especially you, Mark, should update your list :-) )\nHere it is: \n\n\n\t\t\tAvailable    Systems\n\nThis is the  list of  currently  developed  and   distributed  software  for \nsymbolic math applications. No informations is supplied on systems no longer \nbeing supported like: SAINT, FORMAC, ALPAK, ALTRAN, MATHLAB, SIN, SAC, CAMAL, \nScratchPad, MuMath, SHEEP, TRIGMAN, ANALITIK, SMP or CCALC.\n\nFor more detailed info on any of the systems below,  look into the directory\npub\/Symbolic_Math in the anonymous FTP of \"math.berkeley.edu\". No particular \nrecommendation is made for any of these.      If you want prices contact the \ncompany. Programs are listed by (aprox.) the reverse order of the number  of \nmachines they run on, in each class, general purpose systems first.\n\nIf you have any information to add to this list (we know we are missing\nMuPAD & FELIX) please send it to :\n\n\t\t\tca@math.berkeley.edu\nPaulo Ney de Souza\nDepartment of Mathematics\nUniversity of California\nBerkeley CA 94720 \t\t\t\tdesouza@math.berkeley.edu\n\nGENERAL PURPOSE\n===============\n \nMaple:: \n\tType:      commercial\n\tMachines:  Most impressive list of machines I seen for a program:\n                   workstations (DEC, HP, IBM, MIPS, Sun, SGI, Apollo), \n                   386 PC's, Mac, Amiga, Atari, AT&T 3B2, Gould, Convex,\n                   NCR, Pyramid, Sequent, Unisys and Cray's.\n\tContact:   maple@daisy.waterloo.edu\n\t\t   Waterloo Maple Software, 160 Columbia Street West,\n        \t   Waterloo, Ontario, Canada     N2L 3L3\n        \t   Phone: (519) 747-2373\n\tVersion:   5 Release 1\n\tComments:  General purpose , source available for most routines ,\n\t\t   graphics support in 5.0. A demo of the program for PC-DOS\n\t\t   can be obtained from anonymous FTP at\n\t\t   wuarchive.wustl.edu:\/edu\/math\/msdos\/modern.algebra\/maplev.zip\n\nMathematica::\n\tType: \t   commercial\n\tMachines:  Cray YMP down to Mac's and PC's\n\tContact:   info@wri.com, Phone: 1-800-441-MATH\n\t\t   Wolfram Research, Inc.\n \t           100 Trade Center Drive, Champaign IL 61820-7237\n\tVersion:   2.1\n\tComments:  General purpose, Notebook interface on Next, Mac, \n\t           nice graphics. \n\nMacsyma:: \n   \tType:      commercial\n    \tMachines:  Sun-3, Sun-4 (SPARC), VAX (UNIX and VMS), Apollo, \n\t\t   HP 9000, DEC RISC, PC386\/DOS, Symbolics computers, \n\t\t   368\/387 and 486 (no SX's) PC's.\n    \tContact:   macsyma-service@macsyma.com, Phone: 800-MACSYMA\n\t\t   Macsyma Inc,  20 Academy St., Arlington MA 02174-6436\n    \tVersion:   depends on machine: 417.100 is the latest (for Sun-4, HP, \n\t\t   and DEC RISC), 417.125 for PC's\n   \tComments:  General purpose, many diverse capabilities, one of the \n\t\t   oldest around. Includes propietary improvements from \n\t\t   Symbolics and Macsyma Inc. Descendant of MIT's Macsyma.\n\nDOE-Macsyma:\n\tType:      distribution fee only\n\tMachines:  GigaMos, Symbolics, and TI Explorer Lisp machines.  The NIL \n                   version runs on Vaxes using the VMS system.  The public \n                   domain Franz Lisp version, runs on Unix machines, including \n                   Suns and Vaxes using Unix.\n\tContact:   ESTSC - Energy Science & Technology Software Center \n\t\t   P. O. Box 1020 Oak Ridge TN 37831-1020\n\t\t   Phone: (615) 576-2606\n\tComments:  Help with DOE-Macsyma, general and help with issues such as\n\t           obtaining support, new versions, etc: lph@paradigm.com\n                   Leon Harten from Paradigm Assoc. Paradigm Associates, Inc. \n                   29 Putnam Avenue, Suite 6 Cambridge, MA 02139 (617) 492-6079.\n\nMaxima::\n\tType:\t   Licence for a fee. Get licence from ESTC before download.\n\tMachines:  Unix workstations (Sun, MIPS, HP, PC's) and PC-DOS (beta).\n        Contact:   wfs@rascal.utexas.edu (Bill Schelter)\n\tVersion:   4.155\n\tComments:  General purpose -  MIT Macsyma family. Common Lisp \n                   implementation by William F. Schelter, based on Kyoto\n\t\t   Common Lisp. Modified version of DOE-Macsyma available\n\t\t   to ESTSC (DOE) sites. Get the licence from ESTSC (phone:\n\t\t   615-576-2606) and then dowload the software from \n\t\t   DOS: math.utexas.edu:pub\/beta-max.zip   or\n\t\t   UNIX: rascal.ics.utexas.edu:pub\/maxima-4-155.tar.Z\n\t\t   Currently their charge for 1 machine license is $165 to\n\t\t   universities. Site licenses are also available.\n\nAljabr::\n\tType:      commercial\n\tMachines:  Mac's with 4Meg of RAM. \n\tContact:   aljabr@fpr.com,  Phone: (508) 263-9692, Fort Pond Research.\n                   15 Fort Pond Road, Acton MA  01720 US\n\tVersion:   1.0\n\tComments:  MIT Macsyma family descendant, uses Franz LISP.\n\nParamacs::\n\tType:      commercial \n\tMachines:  VAX-VMS, Sun-3, Sun-4, (SGI and Mac's on the works)\n\tContact:   lph@paradigm.com\n\tVersion:   ???\n\tComments:  ???\n\nVaxima::\n\tType:\t   distribution fee only\n\tMachines:  VAX-Unix\n        Contact:   ESTSC (see DOE-Macsyma above)\n\tVersion:   ???\n\tComments:  General purpose -  MIT Macsyma family descendant.\n\t\t   Includes source and binaries with assembler for Macsyma \n\t\t   and Franz Lisp Opus 38\n\nReduce::\n\tType:      commercial\n\tMachines:  All Unix workstations, a variety of mainframes, \n \t           MS-DOS\/386\/4Mbyte and Atari ST. \n\tContact:   reduce-netlib@rand.org\n\tVersion:   3.34 \n\tComments:  General purpose \n\nFORM::\n\tType:      Public domain verison 1 , Version 2 commercial\n\tMachines:  Msdos, AtariSt , Mac, Sun3, Sun4\/sparc, Apollo, NeXT,\n \t\t   VAX\/VMS, VAX\/Ultrix , DECStation , and others\n\tContact:   t68@nikhef.nl (Jos Vermaseren)\n\t\t   Binary versions of version 1 are available\n \t\t   by anonymous ftp from nikhef.nikhef.nl (192.16.199.1)\n\tVersion:   1 and 2.\n\tComments:  General purpose , designed for BIG problems , batch-like\n \t\t   interface \n\nAxiom::\n\tType:      commercial\n\tMachines:  IBM RS 6000's and other IBM plataforms\n\tContact:   ryan@nag.com,  Phone: (708) 971-2337 FAX: (708) 971-2706\n                   NAG - Numerical Algorithms Group, Inc\n\t\t   1400 Opus Place, Suite 200, Downers Grove, Il 60515-5702\n\tVersion:   ???\n\tComments:  General purpose.\n\nSIMATH::\n\tType:      anonymous ftp \n\tMachines:  Suns, Apollo DN and Siemens workstations.\n\tContact:   simath@math.uni-sb.de\n\tVersion:   3.5\n\tComments:  General purpose\n\nDerive::\n\tType:      commercial \n\tMachines:  Runs on PC's and HP 95's.\n\tContact:   808-734-5801 \n \t\t   Soft Warehouse Inc. 3615 Harding Ave, Suite 505\n                   Honolulu, Hawaii 96816-3735\n        Version:   2.01\n\tComments:  Said to be very robust, gets problems that other larger\n \t\t   programs fail on. Low cost. \n\nTheorist::\n\tType:      commercial\n\tMachines:  Mac's\n        Contact:   prescien@well.sf.ca.us, phone:(415)543-2252 fax:(415)882-0530\n\t\t   Prescience Corp, 939 Howard St #333, San Francisco, CA 94103\n\tVersion:   1.11\n\tComments:  General purpose , Graphics , If you like the mac interface\n \t\t   you'll love this , fixed precision ( 19 digits ), runs on\n \t\t   smaller mac's than MMA.\n\nMAS::\n\tType:      Anonymous FTP\n\tMachines:  Atari ST (TDI and SPC Modula-2 compilers), IBM PC\/AT \n\t\t   (M2SDS and Topspeed Modula-2 compilers) and Commodore \n\t\t   Amiga (M2AMIGA compiler).  \n\tContact:   H. Kredel. Computer Algebra Group\n\t\t   University of Passau, Germany\n        Version:   0.60\n\tComments:  MAS is an experimental computer algebra system combining \n\t\t   imperative programming facilities with algebraic \n\t\t   specification capabilities for design and study of algebraic\n\t\t   algorithms. MAS is available via anonymous ftp from: \n    \t\t   alice.fmi.uni-passau.de = 123.231.10.1 \n\nMockMma::\n\tType:      anonymous FTP from peoplesparc.berkeley.edu\n\tMachines:  Anywhere running Common LISP.\n\tContact:   fateman@cs.berkeley.edu\n        Version:   ???????\n\tComments:  It does Matematica (or I mispelled that!).\n\nWeyl::\n\tType:      anonymous FTP from ftp.cs.cornell.edu \/pub\/Weyl\n\tContact:   rz@cs.cornell.edu\n        Version:   4.240\n\tComments:  Intended to be incorporated in larger, more specialized\n\t\t   systems.\n\nFLAC::\n\tType:      ???\n\tMachines:  IBM PC's (DOS)\n\tContact:   Victor L. Kistlerov, Institute for Control Sciences, \n\t\t   Profsoyuznaya 65, Moscow, USSR\n\tVersion:   ???\n\tComments:  Functional language\n\n\nGROUP THEORY\n============\n\nCayley::\n\tType:      Cost recovery\n\tMachines:  SUN 3, SUN 4, IBM AIX and VM machines, Apollo, DEC\n\t           VAX\/VMS, Mac running A\/UX 2.01 or higher and Convex.\n\tContact:   cayley@maths.su.oz.au \n\t\t   Phone: (61) (02) 692 3338, Fax: (61) (02) 692 4534\n\t\t   Computational Algebra Group\n                   University of Sydney\n                   NSW 2006 Australia\n\tVersion:   3.8.3\n\tComments:  Designed for fast computation with algebraic and\n \t\t   combinatorial structures such as groups, rings,\n \t\t   fields, modules and graphs. Although it began as a\n \t\t   group theory system it has recently evolved into a\n \t\t   general (abstract) algebra system.\n\nGAP::\n\tType:      anonymous ftp (free, but not PD; basically GNU copyleft)\n\tMachines:  All Unix workstations, ATARI ST, IBM PC and MAC \n        Contact:   gap@samson.math.rwth-aachen.de\n\tFTP site:  samson.math.rwth-aachen.de (137.226.152.6) & math.ucla.edu\n\tVersion:   3.1 (3.2 to be released Dec 92)\n\tComments:  group theory calculations.\n\n\nALGEBRA & NUMBER THEORY\n=======================\n\nPARI::\n\tType:      anonymous ftp  \n\tMachines:  Most workstations, Mac and NeXT\n\tContact:   pari@mizar.greco-prog.fr\n                   anonymous ftp to math.ucla.edu (128.97.64.16)\n\t           in the directory \/pub\/pari\n\tVersion:   1.35\n\tComments:  Number theoretical computations, source available, key \n\t\t   routines are in assembler, ascii and Xwindows graphics. \n\t\t   PC-DOS version available from anonymous FTP at \n\t\t   wuarchive.wustl.edu:\/edu\/math\/msdos\/modern.algebra\/pari386\n\nMacaulay::\n\tType:      anonymous ftp\n\tMachines:  Complete source available, Binary Mac versions available\n\tContact:   anonymous ftp to zariski.harvard.edu (128.103.1.107)\n\tVersion:   ???\n\tComments:  focused on Algebra type computations ( polynomial rings\n \t\t   over finite fields ), things like that.\n\nKant::\n\tType:      ???\n\tMachines:  ???\n\tContact:   KANT Group\n\t\t   Prof. Dr. M. E. Pohst \/ Dr. Johannes Graf v. Schmettow \n\t\t   Mathematisches Institut, Heinrich-Heine-Universit\\\"at \n\t\t   Universit\\\"atsstr. 1, D-4000 D\\\"usseldorf 1 \n\t\t   pohst@dd0rud81.bitnet or schmetto@dd0rud81.bitnet\n        Version:   1 & 2\n\tComments:  Kant (Computational  Algebraic  Number  Theory) is \n\t\t   subroutine  package for algorithms  from geometry of \n\t\t   numbers and  algebraic number theory. There are  two \n\t\t   versions of  Kant:  Kant  V1 is written  in Ansi-Fortran 77,\n\t\t   while Kant V2 is built on the Cayley Platform and written in \n\t\t   Ansi-C.\n\nLiE::\n\tType:      commercial \n\tMachines:  Unix workstations (SUN, DEC, SGI, IBM), NeXT, PC's,\n                   Atari and Mac's.\n\tContact:   lie@can.nl, Phone: +31 20 592-6050,  FAX: +31 20 592-4199\n                   CAN Expertise Centre, Kruislaan 413, \n                   1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands\n\tVersion:   2\n\tComments:  Lie group computations\n\nUBASIC::\n\tType:\t   anonymous FTP (ubas830.zip)\n\tMachines:  Mac and IBM PC's\n\tContact:   malm@argo.acs.oakland.edu, Phone: (313) 370-3425\n\t \t   Donald E. G. Malm, Department of Mathematical Sciences\n                   Oakland University, Rochester, MI 48309-4401\n\tVersion:   8.30\n\tComments:  BASIC-like environment for number theory. In the collection\n\t\t   of programs written for it one can find: \n\t\t   MALM (Collection of UBASIC Number Theory Programs (malm.zip)\n\t\t   by Donald E. G. Malm (and copyrighted by him), including: \n\t\t   Baillie-Wagstaff Lucas pseudoprime test, Algorithm for \n  \t\t   Chinese remaindering, Elliptic curve method to factorize n, \n\t\t   Fermat's method of factoring, General periodic continued \n\t\t   fraction to quadratic routine, Evaluates Carmichael's \n\t\t   function & D. H. Lehmer's method of solving x^2 = q (mod p).\n\t\t   UBMPQS (Prime factorization program for numbers over 80 \n\t\t   digits (ubmpqs32.zip)), that can be found in the WURST \n\t\t   Archives (wuarchive.wustl.edu).\n\nNumbers::\n\tType:      Free but not Public Domain, registration required.\n\tMachines:  PC-DOS\n\tContact:   Ivo Dntsch                   Phone:    (++49) 541-969 2346\n\t           Rechenzentrum                 Fax:     (++49) 541-969 2470\n          \t   Universitt Osnabrck         Bitnet:   duentsch@dosuni1\n          \t   Postfach 4469\n          \t   W 4500 Osnabrck GERMANY\n        Version:   202c\n\tComments:  Numbers is a calculator for number theory. It performs \n\t   \t   various routines in elementary number theory, some of  \n\t\t   which are also usable in algebra or combinatorics.\n\t  \t   Available in the anonymous FTP in ftp.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.de  \n\t\t   in the directory \/pub\/msdos\/math\n\nCoCoA::\n\tType:      ???\n\tMachines:  Mac's\n\tContact:   cocoa@igecuniv.bitnet\n\tVersion:   ???\n\tComments:  Computations in commutative algebra\n\nGalois::\n\tType:      Commercial\n\tMachines:  IBM-PC DOS\n\tContact:   CIFEG Inc., Kalkgruberweg 26, A-4040 Linz, Austria\n        Version:   ???\n\tComments:  Algebra and number theory microcomputer  written by\n   \t\t   R. Lidl, R. W. Matthews, and R. Wells from the U. Tasmania \n\t\t   in Turbo Pascal v3.0.\n\nGANITH::\n\tType:      Anonymous FTP\n\tMachines:  Any system with vanilla Common Lisp, X 11, and has at least \n\t\t   a rudimentary Lisp\/C interface.\n\tContact:   Chanderjit Bajaj & Andrew Royappa \n                   Department of Computer Science, Purdue University\n                   West Lafayette, IN 47907\n\t\t   (bajaj and royappa@cs.purdue.edu)\n        Version:   \n\tComments:  GANITH is an algebraic geometry toolkit, for computing \n\t\t   and visualising solutions to systems of algebraic equations.\n                   It is written in Common Lisp and C, and runs under version\n  \t\t   11 of the X window system.\n  \t\t   GANITH is available from the anonymous FTP at \n\t\t   cs.purdue.edu in the file \/pub\/avr\/ganith-src.tar.Z\n\n\nTENSOR ANALYSIS\n===============\n\nSchoonShip::\n\tType:      ???\n\tMachines:  ???\n\tContact:   mentioned in  Comp.Phys. Comm. 8, 1 (1974).\n\tVersion:   ???\n\tComments:  I have heard this program mentioned , supposely it's designed\n \t\t   for large problems (i.e. thousands of terms in series \n \t\t   expansions ). Developed at CERN for CDC7600 ? \n\nSTENSOR::\n\tType:\t   ????\n\tMachines:  VAX, SUN, Apollos, Orion, Atari & Amiga\n\tContact:   lh@vand.physto.se, \n\t\t   Lars Hornfeldt, Physics Department, University of Stockholm\n                   Vanadisv.9, S-113 46, Stockholm, Sweden\n        Version:   ????\n\tComments:  System for tensor calculus and noncommutative algebra\n\n\nLISP CALCULATORS\n================\n\nJACAL:: \n\tType:      Gnu CopyLeft\n\tMachines:  Needs a Lisp (either Common or Scheme) \n\tContact:   Available by anon ftp to altdorf.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.246]\n\tVersion:   ???\n\tComments:  An IBM PC version on floppy for $50 is available from \n \t\t   Aubrey Jaffer, 84 Pleasant St. Wakefield MA 01880, USA.\n\nGNU-calc::\n\tType:      GNU copyleft\n\tMachines:  Where Emacs runs.\n\tContact:   Free Software Foundation\n        Version:   ???\n\tComments:  It runs inside GNU Emacs and is written entirely in Emacs\n\t\t   Lisp. It does the usual things: arbitrary precision integer,\n\t\t   real, and complex arithmetic (all written in Lisp), \n\t\t   scientific functions, symbolic algebra and calculus, \n\t\t   matrices, graphics, etc. and can display expressions with \n\t\t   square root signs and integrals by drawing them on the \n\t\t   screen with ascii characters. It comes with well written \n\t\t   600 page online manual. You can FTP it from any GNU site.\n\n\nDIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS\n======================\n\nDELiA::\n\tType:      Informal distribution\n\tMachines:  IBM PC's (DOS)\n\tContact:   A. V. Bocharov, Program Systems Institute, \n\t\t   USSR Academy of Science, Pereslavl, \n                   P.O. Box 11, 152140 USSR, Tlx: 412531 BOAT\n\tVersion:   ????\n\tComments:  Differetial equation computations\n\n\nPC SHAREWARE\n============\n\nSymbMath::\n\tType:      shareware, student and advanced versions.\n\tMachines:  IBM PC\n\tContact:   chen@deakin.OZ.AU\n\tVersion:   2.1.1\n\tComments:  Runs on plain (640k) DOS machines. The shareware version\n\t\t   is available in the file sm211a.zip on the Wurst Archives.\n\t\t   More capable versions are available by mail-order from the \n\t           author.  \n\nCLA::\n\tType:      anonymous FTP\n\tMachines:  PC-DOS\n\tContact:   ????\n        Version:   2.0\n\tComments:  A linear or matrix algebra package which computes\n\t\t   rank, determinant, rwo-reduced echelon form, Jordan \n\t\t   canonical form, characteristic equation, eigenvalues, \n\t \t   etc. of a matrix. File cla20.zip on the Wurst Archives.\n\nXPL::\n\tType:      anonymous FTP\n\tMachines:  PC-DOS\n\tContact:   David Meredith, Department of Mathematics\n                   San Francisco State University\n                   San Francisco, CA 94132\n                   meredith@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu\n        Version:   4.0\n\tComments:  Formerly called CCALC. Well-integrated graphics and some\n\t\t   (numerical) matrix manipulation routines. Intended for \n\t\t   calculus students. Prentice Hall sells this with a book \n\t\t   (ISBN 0-13-117441-X--or by calling 201-767-5937), but it \n\t\t   is also available (without the manual but with a \n\t\t   comprehensive help system) by anonymous FTP from \n\t\t   wuarchive.wustl.edu: \/edu\/math\/msdos\/calculus\/cc4-9206.zip.\n\nAMP::\n\tType:      Commercial, evaluation copy available by anonymous FTP\n\tMachines:  PC-DOS\n\tContact:   Mark Garber (71571,2006@compuserve.com) Ph: (404) 452-1129\n     \t\t   Cerebral Software, PO Box 80332, Chamblee, GA 30366\n        Version:   3.0\n\tComments:  The Algebraic Manipulation Program (AMP) is written in \n\t\t   Modula-2 and is a symbolic calculation tool. AMP functions \n\t\t   in an interpreter mode and program mode. It  has tensor \n\t\t   manipulation using index notation.  The evaluation copy is\n\t\t   available in the anonymous FTP at:\n\t\t   ftp.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.de:pub\/msdos\/math\/amp30.zip\n\nMercury::\n\tType:      Shareware\n\tMachines:  PC-DOS\n\tContact:   ???\n        Version:   2.06\n\tComments:  Limited in symbolic capabilities, but is extremely adept \n\t\t   at numerically solving equations and produces publication\n\t\t   quality graphical output. This used to be Borland's Eureka!, \n\t\t   but when Borland abandoned it, its original author started \n\t\t   selling it as shareware under the name Mercury. Available\n\t\t   from anonymous FTP at \n\t\t   wuarchive.wustl.edu:\/edu\/math\/msdos\/calculus\/mrcry206.zip\n\nPFSA::\n\tType:      Public Domain\n\tMachines:  PC-DOS\n\tContact:   ???\n        Version:   5.46\n\tComments:  Available from the anonymous FTP at \n\t\t   wuarchive.wustl.edu:\/edu\/math\/msdos\/modern.algebra\/vol546.zip\n\nLIE::\n\tType:      Public Domain\n\tMachines:  PC-DOS\n\tContact:   HEAD@RIVETT.MST.CSIRO.AU (A. K. Head)\n\t\t   CSIRO Division of Materials Science and Technology\n\t\t   Melbourne Australia   or\n\t\t   Locked Bag 33, Clayton, Vic 3168, Australia\n\t\t   Phone: (03) 542 2861 Telex: AA 32945 Fax: (03) 544 1128\n        Version:   3.3\n\tComments:  LIE is a program written in the MuMath language (not a \n\t\t   package) for Lie analysis of differential equations. \n\t\t   Available from anonymous FTP at \n\t\t   wuarchive.wustl.edu: \/edu\/math\/msdos\/adv.diff.equations\/lie33\n\nCalculus::\n\tType:      Shareware\n\tMachines:  PC-DOS with EGA\n\tContact:   Byoung Keum, Dept. of Mathematics\n\t\t   University of IL.  Urbana, IL 61801.\n        Version:   9.0\n\tComments:  Program for Calculus and Differential Equations. It has\n     \t\t   symbolic diff. & integration (simple functions), graphs.\n\t\t   Very unstable program - no reason to use it, except for\n\t\t   price (suggested registration fee is $ 30.00).\n\t\t   Available from anonymous FTP at \n\t\t   wuarchive.wustl.edu: \/edu\/math\/msdos\/calculus\/calc.arc \n\n--\n     \\   \/                     | Marc Conrad, Universitaet des Saarlandes \n      \\ Luxemburg              | marc@math.uni-sb.de   \nFrance \\|   Germany            | these opinions are not necessarily these   \n        \\x <---- you are here! | of the SIMATH-group (and maybe even not mine).\n","1555":"From: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com (Jim Mann)\nSubject: Re: Celebrate Liberty!  1993\nOrganization: Stratus Computer Inc, Marlboro MA\nLines: 12\nReply-To: jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: gondolin.pubs.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.201051.15818@dsd.es.com>  \nBob.Waldrop@f418.n104.z1.fidonet.org (Bob Waldrop) writes:\n\nWhat did this have to do with SF?  And please don't answer\nthat a number of libertarians are SF fans or vice versa. I know a \nnumber of SF fans who are also baseball fans but I don't plan on \nposting the Red Sox schedule.\n\n--\nJim Mann            \nStratus Computer   jmann@vineland.pubs.stratus.com  \n\n","1556":"From: pdh@netcom.com (P D H)\nSubject: Re: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 105\n\nld231782@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (L. Detweiler) writes:\n\n>I'm quite astonished, shocked, and appalled at this serious frontal \n>assault on emerging American freedoms.  The Clinton administration \n>nor any other government agency has any legitimate role whatsoever \n>in regulating cryptography. To do so is tantamount to regulating \n>`acceptable' speech, and is blatantly unconstitutional. Perhaps we \n>should rename this year `1984' in honor of such an illustrious \n>proposal.  Let the Crappy Chip live in infamy, and the adminstration\n>receive great shame and discredit for this bizarre misadventure.\n\nIMHO, encryption is (also) protected under the SECOND amendment of\nthe Constitution of the United States.\n\n\n>I am outraged that my tax money is being used to develop technology\n>to restrict my freedoms far beyond reasonable measures.  The U.S.\n>government will have my full uncooperation and disobedience on any\n>serious threat to my liberties such as this, and I call on everyone\n>with an interest in a sensible government to resist and defy this \n>proposal.  The administration does not seem to understand that they\n>are merely a subservient instrument to implement the will of the\n>public, and hence anyone involved in this proposal in this respect is \n>wholly negligent and remiss in performing their lawful duty.\n\nI am not surprised that this administration is doing this.\nI could have told you so.\n\n\n>Cryptography is neutral technology. If everybody has strong \n>cryptography (including policemen, bureacrats, businessmen, \n>housewives, thugs and hoodlums), we have a sustainable \n>equilibrium.  Anything less is an unworkable anti-egaltarian \n>arrangement, intrinsically antithetical to American freedoms, and\n>guaranteed to collapse under its own weight of inherent \n>impracticality. We don't need to compromise on issues of freedom.\n\nPrivacy has ALWAYS been something that has the effect of restricting\nout ability to prosecute criminals.  We are supposed to have the\npresumption of innocence.\n\nI have the right to pull the curtains over my windows and close my\ndoor, and the police may not come in.  If I perform a crim in my home,\nthey will have to find out by means other than simply looking.\n\nEncryption is to my data as the window curtains are to my home.\nSimple enough?\n\n\n>For too long our government has demonstrated itself to be \n>increasingly hostile and a serious obstacle to economic vitality \n>and protecting Americans.\n\nAnd yet the people vote for these people because they come out a lie\nto them about promising to fix things.\n\n\n>The administration has to be committed to leaving private \n>industries alone, esp. on this issue.  The government has no \n>legitimate role in regulating the content of communications.\n>Law enforcement agencies must be prepared to forfeit their\n>surveillance bludgeon; they are soon and inevitably to be \n>disarmed of it. \n\nYou mean they might have to go back to actually WORKING to do their job?\nOh heavens.\n\n\n>No such laws can be constitutionally sound, and this is equivalent\n>to a veiled threat, which I don't appreciate.  This kind of \n>extortion tends to agitate me and others into radicalism. I will\n>trade threats for threats, and violation for violation.\n\nPerhaps the FIRST amendment.  Definitely the SECOND and FIFTH.\n\n\n>If the administration did say this, it would find itself \n>impeached for reckless and outrageous disregard of essential,\n>established, entrenched, and explicit constitutional privacy \n>guarantees. The administration would have no legal standing \n>whatsoever; such an action would be egregiously illegal and\n>criminal, and wholly untolerated and disregarded by vast \n>segments of the population.\n\nUnfortunately, the vast segments of the population are misinformed.\nThey just haven't appended -SR to the name of out country, yet.\n\n\n>This is an outright Dingaling Denning lie.  The two aims of\n>privacy and surveillance are intrinsically and fundamentally \n>incompatible, and you have to work for the NSA to think otherwise. \n>Americans are about to discover ways, through the use of technology, \n>to preserve their inalienable but forgotten freedoms that have slowly \n>been eroded away by an increasingly distant and unresponsive and \n>*unrepresentative* government.\n\nI seriously doubt that the NSA thinks that privacy and surveillance are\ncompatible.  I doubt of any smart person in any other agency thinks\nso, either.  The PROBLEM is that they simply hold PRIVACY to be of no\nvalue at all.\n-- \n| Phil Howard,  pdh@netcom.com,  KA9WGN         Spell protection?  \"1(911)A1\" |\n| Right wing conservative capitalists are out to separate you from your MONEY |\n| Left wing liberal do gooders are out to separate you from EVERYTHING ELSE!! |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n","1557":"From: MANDTBACKA@finabo.abo.fi (Mats Andtbacka)\nSubject: Re: If There Were No Hell\nOrganization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.\nLines: 26\n\nIn <May.5.02.51.25.1993.28737@athos.rutgers.edu> shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com writes:\n\n> Here's a question that some friends and I were debating last night.\n> Q: If you knew beyond all doubt that hell did not exist and that\n>    unbelievers simply remained dead, would you remain a Christian?\n\n      (Reasoning pertinent to believing Xians deleted for space)\n\n      It strikes me, for no apparent reason, that this is reversible.\nI.e., if I had proof that there existed a hell, in which I would be\neternally punished for not believing in life, would that make me a Xian?\n(pardon my language) _Bloody_hell_no_!\n\n      ...Of course, being merely a reversal of your thinking, this\ndoesn't add anything _new_ to the debate, but...\n\n> Several friends disagreed, arguing the fear of hell was necessary\n> to motivate people to Christianity. To me that fatally undercuts the\n> message that God is love.\n\n      A point very well taken, IMNSHO.\n\n-- \n\"Successful terrorism is called revolution, and is admired by history.\n Unsuccessful terrorism is just lowly, cowardly terrorism.\"\n    - Phil Trodwell on alt.atheism\n","1558":"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider)\nSubject: Re: BATF\/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4\/19\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 18\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu\n\njmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:\n:An 'edu'er not towing the \"party\" line, thank you!\n:\n:Jim\n\nYou're welcome!  ;)  Actually, I'm probably something of an outcast, because\nI've committed the ultimate college-student heresy:  I'm not a liberal.\n(This is NOT liberal-bashing.)\n\n\nMike\n-- \n- This above all, to thine own      S T R I D E R      mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n-     self be true.  --Polonius     *  * *****    **  *  * **** ***** *** *   *\nThose who would sacrifice essential *  *   *     *  * *  * *      *    *  **  *\n   liberties for a little temporary *  *   *     **** *  * ****   *    *  * * *\n   safety deserve neither liberty   *  *   *     *  * *  *    *   *    *  *  **\n   nor safety.  --B. Franklin       ****   *     *  * **** ****   *   *** *   *\n","1559":"From: phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone)\nSubject: Re: Mr. Cramer's 'Evidence'\nOrganization: Generally in favor of, but mostly random.\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.111713.4063@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:\n    >In article <philC5LsD9.Ms3@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil\n    >Ronzone) writes:\n    >\n    >>Libertarians want the State out of our lives.\n    >>\n    >>NAMBLA members want to fuck little boys.\n    >>\n    >>NOW do you get it?\n    >>\n    >I see! Libertarians want to have the right to fuck little\n    >children of either sex, and want to make sure everyone else\n    >has this right too. NAMBLA just wants to have the right to\n    >fuck little boys.\n    >\n    >>Or are you just a secret member of NAMBLA?\n    >>\n    >You're the one who suddenly seems to be defending the right\n    >to fuck children. How many little girls have you raped today,\n    >Phil?\n    >\n    >If wanting to abolish the age of consent is not repectable,\n    >it is not respectable for anyone.\n\nHmm, you still don't get it. Then again, I'm not posting from a  University\nwhere the hue and cry was raised against \"Jewish physics\".\n\nTell me, committed any anti-semitic acts today? What kind of boots do you\nwear?\n\nAnd still -- Libertarians want the State out of their lives. Parents are very\ncapable of protecting their children against the predations of pedophiles,\nwhich, BTW, you still haven't disassociated yourself from.\n\nAre you, or are you not, a member of NAMBLA?\n\n\n\n-- \nThere are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of\nenvironmental disaster. Weird, eh?\n\nThese opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)\n","1560":"From: georgec@eng.umd.edu (George B. Clark)\nSubject: Re: Endometriosis\nOrganization: University of Maryland\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: athens.eng.umd.edu\n\nYou may want to inquire about taking Lupron as a medication. It's\nsupposed to be a new treatment, and it's described in Nov. 1992\nissue of J. of Obst. and Gyn.\n\nLupron is taken as a monthly injection, whereas other drugs such\nas danazol are taken daily as pills.\n","1561":"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.135650.28926@st-andrews.ac.uk> nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson) writes:\n\n>I don't think you're right about Germany.  My daughter was born there and\n>I don't think she has any German rights eg to vote or live there (beyond the\n>rights of all EC citizens).  She is a British citizen by virtue of\n>her parentage, but that's not \"full\" citizenship.  For example, I don't think\n>her children could be British by virtue of her in the same way.\n\nI am fairly sure that she could obtain citizenship by making an\napplication for it. It might require immigration to Germany, but\nI am almost certain that once applied for citizenship is inevitable\nin this case.\n\n>More interesting is your sentence, \n\n>>In fact, many people try to come to the US to have their children\n>>born here so that they will have some human rights.\n\n>How does the US compare to an Islamic country in this respect?  Do people\n>go to Iran so their children will have some human rights?  Would you?\n\nMore interesting only for your propaganda purposes. I have said several\ntimes now that I don't consider Iran particularly exemplary as a good\nIslamic state. We might talk about the rights of people in \"capitalist\nsecular\" third world countries to give other examples of the lack of\nrights in third world countries broadly. Say, for example, Central\nAmerican secular capitalist countries whose govt's the US supports\nbut who Amnesty International has pointed out are human rights vacua.\n\n\nGregg\n\n\n\n\n","1562":"From: mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Strider)\nSubject: Re: CNN for sale\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\nLines: 40\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: louie.cc.utexas.edu\n\nIn article <93106.21394634AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:\n|In article <2001.150.uupcb@yob.sccsi.com>, jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)\n|says:\n|>\n|> Bill Vojak:\n|>\n|> BV>I read in the paper yestarday that Ted Turner wants to \"trim\" down\n|> BV>his media holdings and is putting CNN up for sale.  The #1 potential\n|> BV>bidder?  TIME\/Warner of course.  Sigh . . . . . Just what we need. :-(\n|>\n|> Maybe now's the time for us, the NRA, GOA, CCRTKBA, SAF, et al to band\n|> together and buy CNN as *our* voice. Wouldn't that be sumpin....broadcast\n|> the truth for a change and be able to air a favorable pro-gun item or two...\n|>\n|I would like to see this happen. I don't think it will. I don't\n|think the average gun-owner will take any notice of what is happening\n|until they break down HIS door.\n|\n|BUT I will go on record publicly to the effect that I will contribute a\n|minimum of $1,000.00 to the buy-out fund if it can be organized and made\n|viable. Anybody else want to put their money where their mouth is?  :)\n|There ar 50+ MILLION gun owners out there. If - and it's a big and\n|not very realistic if - we got hold of CNN, the anti-gun bullshit would\n|STOP RIGHT THERE. Why won't it happen - because nobody will get off their\n|ass and MAKE it happen. Nuts.\n\nI will join the ranks here.  If someone has the ability to actually put this\nthing together and get enough support, I'll also contribute $1000 to the \neffort.  And jeeze, people, I'm a *student*, with *no job* yet, and I will\nput up my own hard-earned savings if it means we have a shot at getting\nthe truth told on the airwaves.  Count me in.\n\nMike Ruff\n-- \n- This above all, to thine own      S T R I D E R      mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n-     self be true.  --Polonius     *  * *****    **  *  * **** ***** *** *   *\nThose who would sacrifice essential *  *   *     *  * *  * *      *    *  **  *\n   liberties for a little temporary *  *   *     **** *  * ****   *    *  * * *\n   safety deserve neither liberty   *  *   *     *  * *  *    *   *    *  *  **\n   nor safety.  --B. Franklin       ****   *     *  * **** ****   *   *** *   *\n","1563":"From: tjrad@iastate.edu (Thomas J Radosevich)\nSubject: Brewers injuries                                                  \nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 21\n\n\n\nHi all,\n\nI've been locked in a small closet chained to a lab bench for the last week or\ntwo without access to really important information.  I saw the 3.5 million\nshoulder back on the DL--How long is he out for (i.e. How many millions\/inning\nwill he get this year?)  Nothing personal against Higuera mind you, just\nwondering how Bud can keep coffing up money for him when he lets current\nbig producers go over a relative pittance. (Please realize the term \n\"relative pittance\" can only be used with sarcasm when discussing baseball\nsalaries.)\n\nAdditional questions:  I did'nt get to see Bones pitch this spring--how is\nhe looking and where is he going to fit in the rotation?\n\nHow is Surhoff shaping up defensively at third?\n\nAre they going to build a new stadium?  When?\n\nTom\n","1564":"From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)\nSubject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:\n>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to\n>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was\n>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I\n>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the\n>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).\n>\n>Did I do the right thing?\n>\n>Yours Truly : \n>\n>                                  Niels Mikkel\nYESSS!  You make me proud to\nbe an 'Merkun.  Good thing you\ndidn't get shot though. Don't\ntry that with a good'ole boy in Texas.\nI once had a jeep driver south of Conroe cut me off (I was \nin my car) after I had flipped him off for doing something really idiotic\nand senseless.  All 280 lbs of him stretches out of his jeep; he walks\nback (he is blocking all traffic between Dallas and Houston since the\nfreeway has been squeezed into a single lane) and says to me, \"Stick that\nfinger out again and I'll rip it off your hand and shove it down your\nsorry-ass throat.\"  I stared straight ahead, unblinking.  A hundred\ncars were honking.  Eventually he got back into his jeep, face beet-red\nwith anger, and all the rest of the way back to Houston I tailed him, \nwaving, honking, flipping him off, yelling...  I'm glad he decided \nnot to shoot me.\n\/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\\\n|                                                                |\n|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |\n| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |\n| '86 BMW R100GS\t\t\t\t\t\t | \n\\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------\/\n","1565":"From: topcat!tom@tredysvr.tredydev.unisys.com (Tom Albrecht)\nSubject: Re: Revelations\nOrganization: Applied Presuppositionalism, Ltd.\nLines: 30\n\nhudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) writes:\n\n> >Now, as to the suggestion that all prophecy tends to be somewhat cyclical,\n> >can you elaborate?  I'm not exactly sure what you mean.  How does the\n> >suggestion relate to Isaiah's prophecy of the birth of Christ by a virgin? \n> >I don't see any cycles in that prophecy.\n> \n> Maybe cyclical is not the best word.  ...\n> \n> Another example would be the Scripture quoted of Judas, \"and his bishoprick\n> let another take.\"  Another example is something that Isaiah said of His\n> disciples which is also applied to Christ in Hebrews, \"the children thou\n> hast given me.\"\n> \n> How does the preterist view account for this phenomenon.\n\nAh, double-fulfillment.  First of all I would say that I'm not sure all\nthe prophecies had double-fulfillment, e.g., the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy.\n\nI would say that just because this happens on some occasions does not mean\nit will occur always, especially with regard to NT prophecies. The apostles\nwho quoted the OT and applied those passages to Jesus were acting as divine\nmessengers and giving the inerrant Word of God to the Church.  No one has\nthat authority today.  No one has the apostolic authority to say that\nsuch-and-such a prophecy has double-fulfillment.  If the imagry of\nRevelation fits with events of the 1st century, it is folly for us to try\nand make it apply to events 20 centuries later.\n\n--\nTom Albrecht\n","1566":"From: Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams)\nSubject: Re: Adding VRAM to Quadra 800 ?\nOrganization: Apple Computer, Inc.,  Cupertino, CA\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <wstuartj.735273842@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu> \nwstuartj@lucky.ecn.purdue.edu (W Stuart Jones) writes:\n> I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800.  How many 512K SIMMS \n> do I\n> need to buy?  Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take\n> out the current VRAM before I add more?\n\nYou need to add two 256K VRAM SIMMs;  512K VRAM SIMMs will not work in any \nof the Quadra or Centris machines.  There is already 512K of VRAM soldered \nto the logic board.  You add the two 256K SIMMs to this to give you a \ntotal of 1 MB.\n\n- Dale Adams\n","1567":"From: lineber@lonestar.utsa.edu (Jerry M. Lineberry)\nSubject: Pov-ray problem \/ Please Help...\nNntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu\nOrganization: University of Texas at San Antonio\nLines: 12\n\nHello,\n    I've recently had Povray draw about 10 sample files. The problem is that\nI accidently erased the command in my povray.def that made the image a targas\nfile. So now the files are the dump format. How do I fix these files with out\nhaving to re-trace them? By fix I mean, turn them into targas. Thanks in\nadvance.\n                                                -Jerry\n-- \n#################################################################\nJerry M. Lineberry\nInterNet : lineber@lonestar.utsa.edu  or  CompuServe : 71221,3015\n#################################################################\n","1568":"From: perry@wswiop13.win.tue.nl (Perry Egelmeers)\nSubject: Will somebody create a Messie DOS 6.0 FAQ, please? (Was: Dos 6.0 question)\nOrganization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wswiop13.win.tue.nl\n\n\nHi there,\n\nI think it is time to create a MS DOS 6.0  FAQ since lots of questions\nabout it are actually flooding the net.  I won't be able to write it\nmy self because of the lack of time\/knowledge\/experience.\n\n\nPerry Egelmeers\n","1569":"From: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)\nSubject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks\nReply-To: acm@Sun.COM (Andrew MacRae)\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View CA\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grendal.corp.sun.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.024036.7394@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu>, dnewman@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu (David F. Newman) writes:\n > Hi there,\n > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found\n > on most arcade style games.  Many projects I am working on would\n > be greatly augmented if I could implement them.  Thanx in advance.\n\n\nHAP controls just outside Chicago sells these.  I don't remember which\nsuburb they are in.  The prices are pretty reasonable and they are\neasy to hook up.  I bought a new coin mechanism from them for $25.00\na couple of years ago.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tAndrew MacRae\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n","1570":"From: hymowitz@hull.cs.jhu.edu (Hymie!)\nSubject: Re: And America's Team is....But Why?\nOrganization: Creative Sensualities dept, Jacquie's House of Underwear\nLines: 23\n\nkingoz@camelot.bradley.edu (Orin Roth) writes:\n>   Well, officially it's the Braves. At least up until they started winning\n>   it was. Are they still, officially? \n>   If so, why? and how did they receive this label?\n\nmy understanding was that ted turner (owner of the braves) started running\nhis tv station nationwide, and started running all of his team's games on\nhis nationwide tv station, he dubbed his team ''america's team'' - that is,\nthe only team (at least, at the time) all of whose games could be seen\nacross america.\n\nnow, wor is nationwide out of beautiful secaucus, but not all mets games\nare on wor.  wgn chicago and wsbk boston are two other superstations\n(at least, they are on the east coast).  i don't know how many\ncubs\/sox\/sox games they show.\n\n--hymie                                                     hymowitz@cs.jhu.edu\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nI'll be mellow when I'm dead.                           --''Weird'' Al Yankovic\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nYou get your mellow, laid back attitude from Sonny the Cuckoo Bird.\n                                                               --Josh, about me\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1571":"From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON)\nSubject: Portuguese Launch Complex (was:*Doppelganger*)\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tahiti.larc.nasa.gov\n\n> Portugese launch complex were *wonderful\n\nPortuguese launch complex??? Gosh.... Polish are for American in the \nsame way as Portuguese are for Brazilians (I am from Brazil). There is \na joke about the Portuguese Space Agency that wanted to send a \nPortuguese  astronaut to the surface of the Sun (if there is such a thing).\nHow did they solve all problems of sending a man to the surface of the \nSun??? Simple... their astronauts travelled during the night...\n\n C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV\n\nC.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov\n\nClaudio Oliveira Egalon\n","1572":"From: gough@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (brian.w.gough)\nSubject: 4X4 On\/Off-Road Rally - Joliet Il.\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: chi\nKeywords: April 25th\nLines: 97\n\n\n\n************************************************************\n*                                                          *\n*      ATTENTION ALL FOUR WHEEL OFF ROAD ENTHUSIASTS       *\n*                                                          *\n*         On\/Off Road Rally - Sunday, April 25th           *\n*                   Joliet Illinois                        *\n*                                                          *\n************************************************************\n\nThe Event:\n\n* The Joliet Mud Turtles, a Chicago land four wheel drive club, is\n  sponsoring an On\/Off Road Rally Sunday April 25th.\n\n* For those who ask \"What is an on\/off road rally?\", well...\n\n  An On\/Off Road Rally consists of the following:\n\n   1. An on-the-road rally where participants are given a set of\n      directions and clues guiding participates around the \n      Joliet\/Plainfield area.  The object is to navigate a course\n      based on a set of directions and clues.  Participants will\n      be given a set of questions pertaining to the course which\n      they must answer along the way.  Points are awarded for the\n      number of correct answers given.  Directions will ultimately \n      lead to an off-road area where a four-wheel drive course is \n      set-up.  At various locations in the on-road course, check-points\n      will be set-up where participants will be asked other questions\n      or requested to perform some activity (e.g. tire roll, truck tow,\n      basketball free-throw, etc.) for additional points.\n\n   2. An optional off-road, four wheel drive course where participants\n      will navigate off-road trails, mud bogs and\/or hill climbs.\n      Points are awarded for successfully navigating off-road obstacles\n      without getting stuck.  If you should get stuck (which is half\n      the fun anyway), there will be assistance to get your vehicle\n      unstuck so you can try it again.  The off-road course will\n      divided up based on tire size, so stock 4x4s as well as modified\n      4x4s can run the course.\n     \n  At the end of the rally, trophies will be awarded to top scoring\n  participants.  Door prizes and dash plaques will also be given out.\n  Food and drinks also available at the conclusion.\n\n* This is an organized activity sponsored by the Joliet Mud Turtles\n  so safety and fun is our foremost concern.  All 4x4s must be\n  street legal and have solid tow points for the off-road section\n  of the course - we don't want to have to separate someone's bumper\n  from their vehicle :) .\n\nThe Particulars:\n\n* Rally begins at Instant Replay, 2409 Plainfield Road, Joliet Il.\n    (815)436-9382   (see map below)\n* Registration is between 9 and 10:30 a.m.  First truck out at 10:00 a.m.\n* Rally date is Sunday April 25th, rain or shine\n* There is an entry fee of $10 per truck.\n* You must have a co-driver (passengers allowed)\n* A valid drivers license is required\n* Suggested equipment:\n      CB Radio\n      Compass\n      Tow Strap and Clevis\n      Clip Board and Pencil\n* No alcohol during rally\n* For more information contact\n   Gary (815)727-3415\n   Tom  (815)485-9346\n   Norm Jr. (815)741-4853\n   Brian (708)979-6083\n\n\n                                            __\n              Instant                      \/\\\n      |       Replay |             |         \\\n      | 1.9mi  ___   | 1.2 mi      |        North\n      |<----->|   | <------------> |\n Rt30 |       |___|  |             |\n------|---------------------------------------------\n Exit |              |             |         ^\n 257  |              |             |         |\n      |              |             |         |\n      |Rt55          |Canton       |Larkin   |\n      |              |Farm         |Ave      |\n      |              |Rd.          |         | 3 mi.\n      |              |             |         |\n      |              |             |         |\n      |                            |         |\n      |                            |         |\n      |       Rt80                 |         v\n----------------------------------------------------\n      |                            | Exit\n      |                            | 130B\n      |                            |\n   \n","1573":"From: nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu)\nSubject: SHARKS REVIEW Part 3: Defensemen (21-45)\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.\nLines: 85\n\n#21\tPETER AHOLA\t\tSeason: 2nd\nAcquired:\t'92-93, trade with Pittsburgh for future considerations\nGrade:\t\tI (B)\n\nIt is way too early to tell about Ahola, who was acquired probably because the\nPenguins figured that they would lose him in the expansion draft.  Ahola had\nonly played 50 games this season (I think it's actually less; the San Jose\nMercury News may be in err here), 20 of them with the Sharks.  In the games he\nhas played, he appeared quite solid defensively, although he hasn't been\nspectacular, and his offense isn't anything to write home about (8 points);\nit's even possible that the trade may be for future considerations which turn\nout to be ... Peter Ahola.\n\n#24\tDOUG WILSON\t\tSeason: 16th\nAcquired:\t'91-92, trade with Chicago for RW Kerry Toporowski and\n\t\t2nd round pick in '92 entry draft\nGrade:\t\tI (B)\n\nI have often been accused of overly down on Wilson; I may have had too high\nexpectations for him, but his legs, knees, et al., are giving out.\nNevertheless, when he was playing, he exhibited a strong shooting and\nplaymaking abilities, even if he has lost a step on defense, which,\nunfortunately, he demonstrated this year as well, as at times he was slow to\ncatch the opponent forwards, and his offensive output was only good enough for\n2nd place on the team (20 points in 42 games).  But next year, which may be\nWilson's last, if he can stay healthy, he can still be a contributor.\n\n#29\tDEAN KOLSTAD\t\tSeason:\t2nd\nAcquired:\t'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tI (C-\/D+)\n\nIt's probably somewhat unfair for me to judge Kolstad on just a handful of\ngames (forgetting exact number, but no more than 15), but at age 25 he's\nquickly running out of time if he wants to make it to the NHL.  In those games,\nhe did not impress anyone; after generating 7 shots in the first period of\nthe first game he played, he scored just 2 points in his tenure up here with\nthe Sharks, and was even less impressive defensively, as he appeared awkward\nwith his movement and was prone to giveaways.  He needs to make a leap in\nhis level of performance to have any chance of making the team.\n\n#38\tPAT MACLEOD\t\tSeason: 2nd\nAcquired:\t'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tI (?)\n\nMacLeod was on the roster a lot longer than Kolstad, but it appears to my\nmemory that he played less than Kolstad, because the Sharks were reluctant to\nuse him, but were even more reluctant to send him to the minors, figuring that\nhe wouldn't clear waivers; in fact, he has played the past 4-5 weeks with\nKansas City, but is still technically there on a rehabilitation assignment,\na \"rehab assignment\" that will include him playing in the Turner Cup playoffs.\nSince he has played so little, I can't even give a tentative grade on him, but\nhe demonstrated last year excellent offensive skills but terrible defensive\nskills.\n\n#41\tTOM PEDERSON\t\tSeason: 1st\nAcquired:\t'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tI (B+)\n\nCalled up in the middle of the season when the defensive corps was decimated\nby injuries, Pederson impressed many Sharks fan here on net, including yours\ntruly.  He demonstrated very good offensive skills, scoring 20 points in\n43 games.  However, his size (5' 9\", 165 lbs.) is of concern, and soon after\nhe began to shine offensive did teams begin to push him around physically,\non both sides of the ice, although he had appeared fearless in his approach.\nBut to be successful, he probably needs to bulk up to have a fighting chance\non surviving against some of the bigger players in the league.\n\n#45\tCLAUDIO SCREMIN\t\tSeason: 1st\nAcquired:\t'91-92, from Minnesota in dispersal draft\nGrade:\t\tI (D+\/D)\n\nHe played all of ~5 games in the league this year, but was thoroughly\numimpressive, just as he was at the end of last season; again, it may be a\nsmall sample, but just as in the case of Kolstad, Scremin, at age 25, is\nquickly running out of time.  He was not a contributor on either offense or\ndefense in the games he played with the Sharks.  The only notable thing that\nwill go down in Scremin's entry of league stats is probably the fact that he\nwas once traded for now Capitals goaltender Don Beaupre.\n\n===============================================================================\nGO CALGARY FLAMES!  Al MacInnis for Norris!  Gary Roberts for Hart and Smythe!\nGO EDMONTON OILERS!  Go for playoffs next year!  Stay in Edmonton!\n===============================================================================\nNelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)\nrec.sport.hockey contact for the San Jose Sharks\n","1574":"From: yee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca (Paul Yee)\nSubject: Re: Perfect MAG MX15F Monitors?\nNntp-Posting-Host: nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca\nOrganization: Communications Research Laboratory, McMaster University\nLines: 55\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.131036.1017@brtph560.bnr.ca> adcock@bnr.ca (Doug Adcock) writes:\n>I've been intently following the MAG thread while waiting for\n>mine to arrive in the mail. There seems to be a lot of\n>complaints about minor alignment problems with the MX15F. One\n>article contained a comment that the owner called the factory\n>and was told that his screen rotation was within spec (1\/4\").\n\nThat figure (1\/4\") for image rotation would seem to be a little high...\non my NEC 5FG the specs call for no greater than 3mm (0.12\").\n\n>Well, my monitor arrived last night and, sure enough, it has\n>a very noticable barrel distortion. It's not dramatic, but it\n>is there and it is especially noticable when the image doesn't\n>fill the entire screen. The fact that it is worse on the right\n>side doesn't help matters.\n>\n>What I'm trying to find out is if these minor imperfections\n>are the norm or are most of their monitors perfect? I don't want\n>to send it back and get one with the same or an even worse\n>problem. Does the factory consider this kind of thing normal\n>and ship their monitors with less than perfect alignment? \n\nI can't speak for MAG Innovision but as far as NEC is concerned, they are\nadjusted to \"factory-spec\" before leaving the central USA distribution point\n(MA) for the eastern Canadian market. Now, here's the key: NEC *knows* that\nthe >=15\" monitors' adjustments are very sensitive to shipping over\ndistances (with all the bumps, rough handling, and such) and therefore\n*expect* and (at least in theory) *require* that the local *distributor*\n(not dealer) have it adjusted at the *local* service centre (Bull HN\nInformation Systems in Toronto) before sale. This is the correct and\nprobably only way of having any chance of receiving a \"perfect\" monitor\n(the definition of \"perfect\" seems to depend on how picky one is, in my\ncase quite :).\n\n>Are other netters just living with these kind of imperfections?\n\nI, for one, was not willing to accept what I considered a substandard\nmonitor and, after two months of wrangling and direct contact with NEC,\nfinally received a satisfactorily adjusted monitor (not perfect, IMHO,\nbut a major improvement over what the dealer and distributor were trying\nconvince me was \"normal\"). The short answer is no, don't accept these\n\"imperfections\" as \"normal\" because for the premium one pays for the\nlarger screen monitors, one has a right to expect higher quality, and\nif you're persistent, you'll receive it.\n\n>...............................................................\n>:      Comments and opinions are mine - not BNR's             :\n>: Doug Adcock                      adcock@bnr.ca              :\n>: Bell-Northern Research           Research Triangle Park, NC :\n>...............................................................\n\n\nRegards,\nPaul Yee\nyee@nimios.eng.mcmaster.ca\n","1575":"From: jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu\nSubject: Re: What's a good IC for RS232 -> TTL signals??\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu\nOrganization: University of Louisville\n\nIn article <C5nz60.99z@scraps.uucp>, frankh@scraps.uucp (Frank Holden KA3UWW) writes:\n> In <C57zsC.9FL@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rky57514@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Tall Cool One ) writes:\n> \n>>I'm looking for an IC that will convert RS232 voltage levels to TTL voltage \n>>levels.  Something relatively inexpensive would be nice, too.  Anyone have\n>>a suggestion??  Thanks.\n> \n> Well it looks as if Digi-Key sells a chip with the number ICL232 that does what\n> you want.  They are selling it for about $3.50...\n \nDigi-Key also sells Quad Line Receivers, parts DS1489AN (68cents) and DS1489N\n(48cents).  A Quad Line Driver, part DS1488 (48cents), is also sold.  I guess\nif you don't won't to supply +12V, the chips with the pump-up circuitry might\nbe worth the extra cost.  But 1488's and 1489's are available at your friendly\nneighborhood RS, parts MC1488 (276-2520) for $1.29 and MC1489 (276-2521) for\n$1.29.\n \nJeff White          jhwhit01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu\n","1576":"From: zoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu (Soren M Burkhart)\nSubject: Dragon's Lair II & Space Ace ARCADE games for sale\nKeywords: laser games interactive\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 64\n\n\n \n \n   Dragon's Lair II ($400 Complete)\n-------------------------------------\n \n \n  or \n \n   $220 Laser Disc\n   $150 Motherboard\/Joystick\/buttons\n   $35  Graphics (For arcade cabinet)\n   $50  Brick Power Supply +12\/-12\/+5\n \n  Space Ace ($430 Complete)\n--------------------------------------\n \n  or \n \n   $250 Laser Disc\n   $150 Motherboard\/Joystick\/buttons\n   $35  Graphics (For arcade cabinet)\n   $50  Brick Power Supply +12\/-12\/+5\n    \n \n   Both Space Ace and Dragon's Lair II ($750)\n-----------------------------------------------\n \n   These games require a Sony 1450 Laserdisc player.  The\nnice thing about this player is that you can also watch\nnormal Laserdisc movies on it as well.  I have one which I\nwill sell for $600 by itself, $550 with a purchase of one\ncomplete system or $500 if you buy both systems.\n \n    I currently run this into my entertainment center.  I have\nit housed in a PC computer case with with its own fan, and \npower supply.  I run the audio into my stereo system, and the\nlaserdisc runs directly into the T.V..  I have made a mount for\nthe joysticks and the buttons.  First person who buys both\ngames will get it all, otherwise you have to do it yourself.\n \n    If you would prefer to have it all housed in a normal\narcade cabinet this can be done as well.  The graphics will\ngo nicely along the sides and front of the cabinet.\n \n    Everything works perfectly.  The laserdisc player has an\nRS-232 port which you can use to develop your own multimedia\ntype applications.  The Laserdiscs have been stored in a safe\nplace and have no scratches on them.\n \n    If you are interested please email me.\n \n    Thanks,\n \n     Soren\n \n--------------------------------------------------------------\nSoren Burkhart\nPurdue University        \"Yes, well that is just the sort of\nA.I. & Robotics\t\t  blink-headed pig ignorance I have\nzoron@en.ecn.purdue.edu   come to expect from you non-creative\n\t\t\t  garbage.\"\n \n                              John Cleese (Monty Python)\n","1577":"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nArticle-I.D.: das.1993Apr26.184547.20058\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 65\n\nIn article <2BDAD779.24910@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n>In article <AMOSS.93Apr25163327@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il> amoss@shuldig.cs.huji.ac.il (Amos Shapira) writes:\n>>cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:\n\n>>Eh????  Could you please give me details about an event where a \"Neutral\n>>Observer\" was killed by purpose by an Israeli soldier?\n\n>Actually, I'm still trying to understand the self-justifying rationale\n>behind the recent murder of Ian Feinberg (?) in Gaza.\n\n\tHate to be simple minded about this Tim, but I think its\nreally very simple.  He was a dirty Jew.  And the only good Jew, in\nsome peoples mind, is a dead Jew.  Thats what 40 years of propaganda\nthat fails to discriminate between Jew and Zionist will do.  Thats\nwhat 20 years of statements like the ones I've appended will do to\nsomeones mind.  They make people sick.  They drag down political\ndiscourse to the point where killing your opponent is an honorable way\nto resolve a dispute.\n\n\tWhat else can come of such demagogery?  Peace?\n\nAdam\n\n\nArafat on political pluralism:\n\n\t``Any Palestinian leader who suggests ending the intifada\n\texposes himself to the bullets of his own people and\n\tendangers his life.  The PLO will know how to deal with\n\thim.''\n\t--- Arafat, Kuwaiti News Agency, 1\/2\/89\n\nArafat on the massacre at Tienamin Square:\n\n\t``...  on behalf of the Arab Palestinian People, their\n        leadership, and myself...  [I] take this opportunity to express\n        extreme gratification that you were able to restore normal order\n        after the recent incidents in People's China.''\n\t--- Arafat in telegram sent to the head of the Chinese Communist Party\n\nYassir Arafat, humanitarian:\n\n       ``Open fire on the new Jewish immigrants ...  be they from the\n       Soviet Union, Ethiopia, or anywhere else.  It would be a disgrace if\n       we did not lift a finger while herds of immigrants settle our\n       territory.  I want you to shoot...  It makes no difference if they\n       live in Jaffa or Jericho.  I give you explicit orders to open fire.\n       Do everything to stop the flow of immigration.''\n\t--- Yassir Arafat, Al Muharar (Lebanese weekly), April 10, 1990\n\nYassir Arafat on genocide:\n\n\t``When the Arabs set off their volcano, there will only be Arabs in\n\tthis part of the world.  Our people will continue to fuel the torch\n\tof the revolution with rivers of blood until the whole of the\n\toccupied homeland is liberated...''\n\t--- Yasser Arafat, AP, 3\/12\/79\n\n\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t       adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n\"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn't waste them on members of Congress...\"   -John Perry Barlow\n","1578":"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Israel's Expansion II\nOrganization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University\nLines: 35\n\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nKeywords: \n\nIn article <93111.225707PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> Paul H. Pimentel <PP3903A@auvm.american.edu> writes:\n>What gives Isreal the right to keep Jeruseleum?  It is the home of\n>the muslim a s well as jewish religion, among others.\n\n\tIsrael has a right to keep Jerusalem for many reasons.  They\ninclude the fact that the majority of the citizens are Israeli, the\nfact that Israel maintains religious freedom for all people, and the\nhistorical connection of Judaism to Jerusalem.\n\n\tWhen Jerusalem was devided by a Jordanian invasion in 1948,\nthe cease fire agreement included the right of individuals to visit\nreligious shrines.  This cease fire agreement was violated by Jordan,\nwho did not allow Jews to visit holy sites under their control.  The\nJordanians also bulldozed every synagoge in the city.  They turned a\nJewish cemetary into a hotel, and used the gravestones in their\nlatrines.\n\n\tIsrael has allowed individuals of all religions into\nJerusalem, protected holy sites, and demonstrated its fitness to\ncontrol the city.\n\n\tAlso, I should point out that Islam is not centered in\nJerusalem, but has holy sites there.  The home of Islam is Mecca,\nwhere all Muslims should make a pilgramage (the hajj).  Unlike Israeli\nJerusalem, Jews and Christians are not allowed in Saudi Mecca.\n\nAdam\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t       adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n\"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn't waste them on members of Congress...\"   -John Perry Barlow\n","1579":"From: kaul@watson.ibm.com\nSubject: DMQS files for XGA-2 (was Re: CatsEye\/X XGA-2! (extra modes?))\nNews-Software: IBM OS\/2 PM RN (NR\/2) v0.17h by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers\nLines: 557\nReply-To: kaul@vnet.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: kaul.bocaraton.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM T.J. Watson Research\n\n(NOTE: The followups are set to comp.os.os2.misc.  DMQS files describe\nmonitors and valid modes to be used by the XGA-2 under both Windows and\nOS\/2.)\n\nTHESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED!  IBM has nothing to do with these files or\nthis post.  It's personal this time (and every time I post -- see the\nsignature).\n\nDue to demand and requests, here are some additional DMQS files I've\ncollected for the XGA-2.  These files function with the latest revision\nof the drivers for the XGA-2.  Not all these files will work under Windows\nwith the drivers available to the general public at this time.  All files\nwill function under the most recent OS\/2 2.1 beta and those I've tried have\nworked under OS\/2 2.0+SP.  Not all files have been fully tested.\n\nTHESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED!  They represent a personal collection, not\nanything resembling an officially supported set.\n\nAs a standard disclaimer I would like to point out the following facts:\n1) Some of these files may run your adapter out of spec.  Doing so can\n   stress the ICs on the card and may result in incorrect operation or in\n   shorter life (how short depends on how much out of spec [boom!] :-).\n2) Some of these files may run your adapter in a region that is out of\n   spec for your monitor, resulting in damage to your monitor.\n3) You should be knowledgable about your monitor and adapter's ability\n   to use the mode you select.  Using these files represents hacking\n   in a very true sense, so practice safe computing and don't play\n   around too much if you don't like the risks and aren't knowledgable\n   about what you're doing.\n4) If you feel uncomfortable with all the warnings, use the DMQS files\n   you have or wait until IBM releases official, tested DMQS files.\n   Although you should be aware of warning 2) even with the IBM files.\n\nTHESE FILES ARE UNSUPPORTED!  By using them you may invalidate your\nwarrenty.  Not all have been fully tested -- I don't have that many\nmonitors.\n\nInstallation: unpack in your DMQSPATH environment variable, usually\nc:\\xga$dmqs.  Then use the methods described in your XGA-2 installation\ndiskette to change your adapter or settings.\n\nPacking: these files have been packed with the latest INFOZIP utility.  \nYou will need PKZip 2.x if you don't have the INFOZIP utilities.\n\nSubmitting:  feel free to send me uuencoded versions of your favorite DMQS\nfiles for your favorite monitors.  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Kaul            | My opinions only, not official IBM positions, offers,\nIBM Visual Subsystems| data, or anything else -- if I were to speak for IBM\nBoca Raton, FL       | they'd make me wear a suit.\nkaul@vnet.ibm.com    | \"Beware of programmers carrying screwdrivers.\"\n","1580":"From: venaas@flipper.pvv.unit.no (Stig Venaas)\nSubject: Re: CAN'T WRITE TO 720 FLOPPY\nOrganization: ProgramVareVerkstedet - UNIT\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1qndvd$jhn@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> da416@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy Nicola) writes:\n>\n>In a previous article, limagen@hpwala.wal.hp.com () says:\n>\n>>OK all you experts!\n>>Need answer quick.386 machine ,1.44 floppy ; unable to write to a formated\n>>720 disk.Machine claims that disk is write protected,but it is not.\n>>\n>>Note: It 'll read 720's with no problem.\n>>\n>>Please e_mail or post.\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>>\n>If the disk is not an HD-type disk, i.e. with the extra hole in the case\n>opposite the normal write protect hole, the drive will not write to the\n>disk. You can punch a similar hole with whatever is handy or buy a small\n>device, a square hole puncher, for about $19.95...see the back pages of\n>computer shopper magazine for it.\n>\n>To be brief, make the hole any way you can or no writing!\n>\n>-- \n>Andy Nicola\n>\n\nOf course you should be able to write a DD 720Kb disk without\nmaking any holes.\n\nStig\n","1581":"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore)\nSubject: Re: Suggestions  on Audio relays ???\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <C5qsBF.IEK@ms.uky.edu> billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes:\n>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch\n>audio.  I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. \n\n>\tIs there a good relay\/relay circuit that I can use for switching\n>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines.\n\n\tWith relays alone, you will always get a transient when\nyou abruptly turn ON or OFF any channel.  If you don't want to hear\nthe transient, use some other device (a photoresistor-output optoisolator\nis the usual sort of thing) to gently MUTE the signal, then switch,\nTHEN remove the power from the lamp in the optoisolator.\n\n\tIt used to be standard practice to employ photoresistors\nin switching audio, because the photoresistor time delay (a few\nthousandths of a second) kept any noise in the digital side (which\ndrives the lamp) from contaminating the audio.  And, the devices\nare cheaper than relays.\n\n\tJohn Whitmore\n","1582":"From: eugenehs@phakt.usc.edu (HEUGE aka Eugene Hsu)\nSubject: Re: pc-X\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 25\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: phakt.usc.edu\n\nIn article <4552@isgtec.isgtec.com> ted@isgtec.com (Ted Richards) writes:\n>Al DeVilbiss (al@col.hp.com) wrote:\n>:\n>: I just brought up NCD's PC-XView, Windows version, to use over a \n>: modem link to a Unix system at HP. Installation is easy, but you\n>: need a program, also from NCD, called XRemote to run on the Unix host.\n>: Total software cost for one seat was ~$200.\n>\nAnyone here know if NCD is doing educational pricing on these software\npackages for those of us strapped for cash?\n\nThanks\n\n=eugene=\ns\n>--\n>Ted Richards            ted@isgtec.com             [...!uunet.ca!isgtec!ted]\n>ISG Technologies Inc.   6509 Airport Rd., Mississauga  Ont.  Canada   L4V 1S7\n\n\n-- \n=>  Eugene Hsu (aka HEUGE)           The University of Southern California  <=\n=<  eugenehs@scf.usc.edu             Electrical and Biomedical Engineering  >=\n=>     \"HO, HO, freaking HO... yeah yeah....who's Santa's next victim?\"     <=\n=>      KROQ 106.7's The New Detective, as he goes undercover 12\/15\/92      >=\n","1583":"From: jennise@opus.dgi.com (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals)\nSubject: RE: Looking for a little research help\nOrganization: Dynamic Graphics Inc.\nLines: 6\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: opus.dgi.com\n\nFound it! Thanks. I got several offers for help. I appreciate it and\nwill be contacting those people via e-mail.\n\nThanks again...\n\njennise\n","1584":"From: mkbaird@david.wheaton.edu (marcus k baird)\nSubject: CD-ROMS 4-SALE (NEW)  UPDATE!!!\nOrganization: Wheaton College, IL\nLines: 102\n\nI'm looking to find some people interested in getting some cd-rom's. Below\nis a list with their prices. If you are interested in any of these, send me\nsome mail and I can guarantee this price. 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Norman )\nSubject: G2K\/Jumbo 250 Backup Problems\nKeywords: tape backup gateway jumbo\nNntp-Posting-Host: muse.den.mmc.com\nReply-To: snorman@den.mmc.com\nOrganization: Martin Marietta Astronautics Group\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 16\n\nI have a Colorado Memory Systems Jumbo 250 tape backup unit in my Gateway\n486\/33V Tower system. I have found the supplied backup capability to be \nfairly unreliable. In approx 3 cases out of 10, I have had the backup fail\nat one point or another, often hanging in the middle of writing the tape.\nSeek errors, drive communication errors seem to be most common. I use the\nDOS backup software from Colorado Memory Systems. Should I return the drive,\nget some better backup software, reformat the tapes (am using CMS tapes)?\nAny hints would be appreciated - this stuff is to time-consuming to do over\nand over again until it cooperates...\n\nSteve Norman\nsnorman@den.mmc.com\n\n\n\n\n","1586":"From: Gordon_Sumerling@itd.dsto.gov.au (Gordon Sumerling)\nSubject: Re: Grayscale Printer\nOrganization: ITD\/DSTO\nLines: 2\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: iapmac2.dsto.gov.au\n\nHave you considered the Apple Laserwriter IIg. We use it for all our B&W\nimage printing.\n","1587":"From: ez027993@dale.ucdavis.edu (Gary Built Like Villanueva Huckabay)\nSubject: Jose Canseco's Swing - 1992 vs. 1986.\nOrganization: Julio Machado Candlelight Vigil Society\nDistribution: na\nLines: 50\n\nWas going over some videos last night.....\n\nStudying 1986 and 1992 videotapes of Jose Canseco proved to be very\ninteresting.  And enlightening.\n\nHere's my analysis of Jose Canseco, circa Sep '92, and Jose Canseco,\ncirca June 1986.\n\n1.  He's bulked up too much.  Period.  He needs to LOSE about 20 pounds,\n    not gain more bulk.\n\n2.  His bat speed has absolutely VANISHED.  Conservatively, I'd say he's\n    lost 4%-7% of his bat speed, and that's a HUGE amount of speed.\n\n3.  That open stance is KILLING him.   Note that he acts sort of like\n    Brian Downing - way open to start, then closes up as ball is\n    released.  Downing could do this without significant head movement -\n    Canseco can't.  Also, note that Canseco doesn't always close his\n    stance the same way - sometimes, his hips are open, sometimes,\n    they're fully closed.  Without a good starting point, it's hard\n    to make adjustments in your swing.\n\nWhat would I do, if I were Jose?\n\nAside from salting away a large sum of a cash that I could never touch,\nso that I'd never have to work again, I'd restructure my entire swing.\n\nFirst, minimize movement before the swing.  Close and widen the stance,\nand severely cut down the stride I take on my swing.  Hopefully, this\nwill cut down on the time I need to swing, and will allow me to move\nthe bathead more freely.\n\nSecond, drop 20 pounds.  Cut out the weight work.\n\nThird, relax the wrists.  Will cost some power, but until I can find\nmy 1988 stroke, concentrate on keeping the back shoulder up, rolling\nthe wrists through the strike zone, and hit line drives.  His strength\n is more than enough so that some of those line drives will get out of\nthe park.\n\nIf Canseco's open stance and resulting bad habits are a result of his back\nproblems, he'll be out of baseball in three years.  If not, he could\nstill hit 600+ HR.\n\n\n-- \n*   Gary Huckabay   * \"You think that's loud enough, a$$hole?\"           *\n*   \"Movie Rights   * \"Well, if you're having trouble hearing it, sir,   *\n*   available thru  *  I'd be happy to turn it up for you.  I didn't     *\n*     Ted Frank.\"   *  know that many people your age liked King's X.\"   *\n","1588":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: Sinus vs. Migraine (was Re: Sinus Endoscopy)\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <Lauger-240393141539@lauger.mdc.com> Lauger@ssdgwy.mdc.com (John Lauger) writes:\n>In article <19201@pitt.UUCP>, geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) wrote:\n\n>What's the best approach to getting off the analgesics.  Is there something\n\nTwo approaches that I've used: Tofranil, 50 mg qhs, Naproxen 250mg bid.\nThe Naproxen doesn't seem to be as bad as things like Tylenol in promoting\nthe analgesic abuse Headache.  DHE IV infusions for about 3 days (in\nhospital).  Cold turkey is the only way I think.  Tapering doesn't\nhelp. I wouldn't know how you can do this without your doctor.  I haven't\nseen anyone successfully do it alone.  Doesn't mean it can't be done.\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1589":"Organization: University of Maine System\nFrom: Ryan Robbins <IO20456@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>\nSubject: Re: Why The RedFlops Can(but won't) win.....\nLines: 10\n\nDon't knock Vaughn for being a spring training .400 hitter\nbut a .250 regular season hitter.\nAround 30 games played isn't an indication of how good any\nhitter is, and the quality of pitching is way down.\n\nRyan Robbins\nPenobscot Hall\nUniversity of Maine\n\nIO20456@Maine.Maine.Edu\n","1590":"From: popec@unkaphaed.jpunix.com (William C. Barwell)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Comments Overheard in the Secret Service Lounge\nOrganization: Unka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX\nLines: 28\n\ncroaker@highlite.uucp (Francis A. Ney) writes:\n\n> Besides which, we don't *want* Clinton assasinated, because that would make h\n> a martyr a la JFK.\n> \n> It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after\n> watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down t\n> toilet.\n> \n> Assuming, of course, that the riots a fortnight from now don't do it for him.\n\n\nHe'd have to go a far ways to run things down as bad as Reagan and Bush \ndid.  We didn't have riots but Bush got dumped out on his spotty Behind.\n\n\nWe'll see in 4 years.\n\n\nPope Charles Slack in our time!\n\n?s\n\n\n--\npopec@unkaphaed.jpunix.com (William C. Barwell)\nUnka Phaed's UUCP Thingy, Houston, TX, (713) 481-3763\n1200\/2400\/9600\/14400 v.32bis\/v.42bis\n","1591":"From: sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nOrganization: -*-  Whiting Corporation, Harvey, Illinois  -*-\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 11\n\nrenew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:\n: A very kind soul has mailed me this reply for the bugs in CView.\n: Since he isn't in the position to post this himself, he asked me to post\n: it for him, but to leave his name out. So here it comes:\n: \n: CView has quite a number of bugs.  The one you mention is perhaps the most\n:\nA stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I\nam still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)\nThanks!\n \n","1592":"From: rbeskost@adam.East.Sun.COM (Richard Beskosty - Sun BOS Systems Product Assurance)\nSubject: Re: Goalie mask poll\nReply-To: rbeskost@adam.East.Sun.COM\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: adam.east.sun.com\n\nIn article 93158@hydra.gatech.EDU, gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak) writes:\n> \n> \tHere is an update on the Goalie mask poll...\n> \tFirst, since so many people gave me their 3 best, I decided to\n> give 3 pts for their favorite, 2 pts for 2nd, 1 for 3rd. If you e-mailed\n> a response with only one, I gave it 3 pts. Please feel free to send me\n> your 2 other favorites, if you only sent one before. \n> \tAlso, votes are still welcome! Any mask you like will do, as I \n> have received votes for players not in the NHL. Please mention what team\n> they play for, though.\n> \tSo here are the up-to-date results so far:\n> \n> \n\n\nMy vote goes to Andy Moog 1st, Belfour 2nd, Vanbiesbrouck 3rd\n\nThe Bruin's are hot at just the right time !!!!!\n\n\nrich beskosty\n\nrbeskost@east.sun.com\n","1593":"From: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: HST Wide Field\/Planetary Camera\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sol1.gps.caltech.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.173902.66278@cc.usu.edu>, slyx0@cc.usu.edu writes:\n=Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One\n=slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know\n=he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized\n=swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that,\n=however, because that's not written in their little rule book.\n\nOf course, bee venom isn't a single chemical.  Could be your brother is\nreacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock\nin other people.\n\nSimilarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG.  There are a lot of other ingredients\nin it.  Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't\nnormally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately conclude\nthat any negative reaction is to the MSG?\n\n=I would not be surprised in the least to find out the SOME people have bad\n=reactions to MSG, including headaches, stomachaches and even vomiting.\n\nI'd be surprised if some of these reactions weren't due to other ingredients.\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nCarl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI\/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL\n\nDisclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My\nunderstanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So\nunless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX\/VMS, don't hold me or my\norganization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX\/VMS, you can try to\nhold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.\n","1594":"From: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones)\nSubject: Re: Proton\/Centaur?\nReply-To: clj@ksr.com (Chris Jones)\nOrganization: Kendall Square Research Corp\nLines: 20\nIn-reply-to: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\n\nIn article <1r2aii$ivs@access.digex.net>, prb@access (Pat) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.211638.168730@zeus.calpoly.edu> jgreen@trumpet.calpoly.edu (James Thomas Green) writes:\n>>Has anyone looked into the possiblity of a Proton\/Centaur combo?\n>\n>I don't know a whole lot on Proton, but given that it is a multi stage\n>rocket,  up to 4 stages, it may not really need the Centaur,  plus\n>it may end up seriously beating on said centaur.   \n\nThe Proton has been used in 2, 3, and 4 stage versions.  The two stage version\nwas used for the first 3 launches, while the 3 and 4 stage versions are used\ntoday.  The four stage version is used mostly for escape (and geosynchronous?)\norbits, while the 3 stage version is used for low earth orbits.  Since this is\nthe version that launched Mir and the Salyuts (and the add-on modules for Mir),\nas long as Centaur is smaller than Mir (which I believe it is), it should fit\nunder the shroud.\n\nI vaguely recall that the Russians are developing a LH2\/LOX upper stage for the\nProton.\n--\nChris Jones    clj@ksr.com\n","1595":"From: jsmith@cs.dal.ca (Jeff Smith)\nSubject: Header for 89' Honda Civic Si\nOrganization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: cs.dal.ca\n\nHello,\n\tI am looking to slightly increase the performance of my 89 Honda\nCivic Si.  I was wondering if anyone could suggest upgrades that were not\ntoo drastic.  I thought that one of the easiest upgrades would be a new\nheader.  Does anyone know what kind of increase that the header would give\nme?  I think I would check with Jackson Racing for the part.  Are there\nany other comparines would make Honda parts.  \n\n\tAre there any other small changes that can be easily made and won't\nscrew up the car.  Things like new injectors?, new fuel injection chip etc?\nI would welcome any suggestions of small changes that would make a\ndifference.\n\n\tI don't really want to change the cam etc because I have heard that it\nwould be much harder on the engine.\n\nE-Mail relpies prefered please and I will post a summary of all the replies.\nThanks for any help you may have to offer!\n\n--\nJeff Smith\t\t\tjsmith@cs.dal.ca\nDalhousie University\t\tHalifax, NS\n","1596":"From: franko@cco.caltech.edu (Frank Filipanits)\nSubject: Re: arcade style buttons and joysticks\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu\n\n> > Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found\n> > on most arcade style games.  Many projects I am working on would\n> > be greatly augmented if I could implement them.  Thanx in advance.\n\n>HAP controls just outside Chicago sells these.\n>\t\t\t\t\t\tAndrew MacRae\n\nActually, it's HAPP, and some of their equipment can be found in the \nParts Express catalog (1-800-338-0531).  They show switches for $2,\njoysticks for $13 and trackballs for $80.  They also have pinball parts.\n\nGood luck.\n\n\n-- \n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\nFrank Filipanits Jr.    B.S. EE\/Music, California Institute of Technology '92\nAudio Consultant          M.S. Music Engineering, University of Miami     '94\nfranko@alumni.caltech.edu   \"No, officer, I don't know how fast I was going.\"\n","1597":"Subject: Re: Nazi memoribilia\nFrom: cmay@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (Christopher C May)\nOrganization: University of Arizona - Tucson, Arizona\nLines: 34\n\nIn <1993Apr2.232511.10711@raid.dell.com> mikepb@lupus.dell.com (Michael P. Brininstool) writes:\n\n>Swatikas were also common in American Indian markings\/painted walls etc.  Is\n>it the Swastika that is bad?  \n\nJust want to back this up with a personal anecdote.  My grandparents\nhave a Navajo rug made in the 1920's, which they received in trade \nfrom the weaver while living in Flagstaff, Arizona.  The decorative motif\nconsists of 4 large black swastikas, one in each corner.  What's more, the\ncolor scheme is black, white, and red.  To the casual glance it would\nundoubtedly appear to be a Nazi relic of some kind.  Yet they owned it\nten years before Hitler and the National Socialists came to power.  \n\nAs I recall, they took it down in the 30's, and didn't feel quite right\nabout putting it back up until the 60's.  It still draws comments from \nthose who don't know what it is.\n\n--ccm\n\n-- \nChristopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu\n+=============================================================================+\n| Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government.       |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes promoted | \n|     it, but only war and weapons have made it yours. -- Robert Ardrey       |\n| Armaque in armatos sumere jura sinunt. -- Ovid                              | \n| The wise man's understanding inclineth him toward his right hand, but a     |\n|     fool's heart turneth him to the left. -- Ecclesiastes 10:2              | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n--\nChristopher C. May * U. of Ariz. Coll. of Medicine '93 * cmay@ccit.arizona.edu\n+=============================================================================+\n| Do your part for Liberty: Teach your children to hate Big Government.       |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n","1598":"From: af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.)\nSubject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions\nOrganization: Youngstown State\/Youngstown Free-Net\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu\n\n\nSomeone posted a list of x number of alleged Bible contradictions.  As Joslin\nsaid, most people do value quantity over quality.  Dave Butler posted some good\nquality alleged contradictions that are taking a long time to properly exegete.\n\nIf you want a good list (quantity) - _When Critics Ask, A Popular Handbook On\nBible Difficulties_ by Dr. Norman Geisler deals with over 800 alleged contradictions.\n\nFrank\n-- \n\"If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out\n of a thousand.\"  JOB 9:3\n","1599":"From: pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman)\nSubject: Absood\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 11\n\nTo my fellow Columbian, I must ask, why do you say that I engage\nin fantasies?  Arafat is a terrorist, who happens to have\n a lot of pull among Palestinians.  Can we ignore the two facts?\nI doubt it.\n\nPeace, roar lion roar, and other niceties,\nPete\n\n\n\n\n","1600":"From: psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)\nSubject: [lds] Thief goes to Paradise; Kermit goes off tangent\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 65\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\n\nKermit Tensmeyer quoted from a few sources and then wrote something.\nI will attempt to construct a facsimile of what was previously said, and \nthen address Kermit's offering.\n\nJohn Redelfs originally wrote...\n\n  jr> I learned that a man cannot frustrate justice by repenting on his\n  jr> death bed because repentance is more than a feeling of remorse.  It\n  jr> requires faith in Christ proven by following him, by keeping his\n  jr> commandments.  Such cannot be accomplished on ones deathbed.\n\nTom Albrecht responded...\n\n  ta> So Jesus must have lied to the thief on the cross.\n\nJohn Redelfs wrote back that...\n\n  jr> Paradise and salvation are not the same thing.  Salvation is better.\n  jr> Refer to John 14:2.\n\nI responded to John that...\n\n  rw>    I don't see the effort to equate salvation with paradise.\n  rw>\n  rw>    Rather, I see implied the fact that only those who are saved\n  rw> may enter paradise.\n\nTo which Kermit wrote...\n\nkt> Incomplete reference:\nkt>\nkt> See also the discussion: Did Jesus go into Hell in the BibleStudy group\nkt> for the arguments that Paradise and Hell(sheol) are places after death\nkt> The discussion (no LDS were involved as far as I could see) argued using\nkt> standard Christian argument from the Bible that pretty much support the\nkt> LDS position.\nkt>\nkt>    Christ went to paridise after his death and burial.\nkt>\nkt>    He taught the prisoners and freed them from Darkness.\nkt>\nkt>    When he was resurrected, he had not yet ascended to his father.\nkt>\nkt> The arguement centered around what was or wasn't the proper biblical\nkt> terms for those places.\n\n     I respond.\n\n     The question that was raised was not if Jesus went to infernal Paradise\n     before entering into heaven. No one has made a point for or against \n     that issue, nor have they compared the LDS position against orthodox\n     belief. The infernal paradise is held to be Abraham's bosom (Luke 16), \n     the place of the righteous dead in sheol (equivalent to hades).\n\n     The point that was raised by John was that someone could not repent\n     on their death bed. Tom Albrecht pointed to a Biblical example that was\n     contradictory to what John's position put forward. The thief on the \n     cross was promised by Christ to be with Him in Paradise, the abode of \n     the righteous dead. John's position possibly needs to be reworked.\n     Kermit needs to address the topic at hand.\n\n=============================\nRobert Weiss\npsyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu\n","1601":"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 33\n\ntobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU (\"Erik Velapoldi\") writes:\n>>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.\n>>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to\n>>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass.  Four or five\n>>cars were hit.  There were several serious injuries, and sadly\n>>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck \n>>in the head by one of the larger rocks.  I don't recall if she \n>>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and \n>>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.\n\n\tThe girl's OK, actually, and she recovered well enough to go home.  I\ndon't know if she has any permanent damage, though.  Just in case anybody was\nconcerned...\n\n>>\n>>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours?  I\n>>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but\n>>20 pound rocks??!  Has our society really stooped this low??\n>>\n>>Erik velapold\n\n\tIf people start forcing others to take responsibility for their actions\nthings like this wouldn't happen.  Untill we stop blaming outside causes, and\nstart blaming the criminals, we will continue to let things like this happen.\n\n\n-- \nChintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu\n******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************\n*\"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*\n*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand\"*\n","1602":"From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)\nSubject: Re: X Toolkits\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 45\n\nIn article <C5y8wJ.3zE@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod) writes:\n>I am considering making a reasonably large application for free\n>distribution (probably copylefted).  I am going to use X.  Now I'm\n\nThe following packages meet your criteria in that they are PD and\npresent an aesthetically pleasant graphical interface to the users.\n\nIf you can use 386bsd:\n\tthere is xview3 (OpenLook)\n\n\tthere is Interviews which looks a little like Motif\n\n\tthere is gopath a very nice C++ toolkit for Athena Widgets and Motif\n\t         which is simpler\n                 and better than interviews and you will enjoy\n                 technical support from Bull via e-mail\n\t\t It has a nice draw program (it uses motif) which can be used\n\t\t to create graphical front-end to programs.\n\t\t The data format is called streams which you can feed\n\t\t to your programs. I ported gopath on an internet machine\n\t\t which is gone but if you use gcc-2.3.3 with minimal effort\n\t\t gopath can be ported to 386bsd.\n\t\t Last but not least, gopath interfaces to toolkits via a driver\n\t\t module. They have an MS-Windows driver module for instance.\n\n\tAlso, many have written extensions to tk\/tcl thus allowing powerful\n\tapplications. For instance, tcl_nm  has snmp extensions for tk\/tcl.\n\tWith ease, I  can now combine snmp network operations with graphs,\n\tphoto-widget, graphical interface, file operations, database \n\toperations,etc.. The author of tcl_nm mail me a simple network \n\tmanagement application which was about 80 lines long - it displayed\n\tvarious environmental parameters from a router. I wrote  a simple\n\tstrip chart script for displaying Real-Time ip received\n\tpackets\/seconds.\n\n\n\tHope this helps,\n\tAmancio Hasty\n\n\t\n-- \nThis message brought to you by the letters X and S and the number 3\nAmancio Hasty           |  \nHome: (415) 495-3046    |  ftp-site depository of all my work:\ne-mail hasty@netcom.com\t|  sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:\/pub\/386bsd\/incoming\n","1603":"From: pmw0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (PHILLIP MICHAEL WILLIAMS)\nSubject: X Windows for windows\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 7\n\nAre there any X window servers that can run under MS-Windows??  I only know of\nDeskview but have not seen it in action.  Are there any others??\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nPhil\npmw0@Lehigh.edu\n","1604":"Subject: Re: Looking for Electronics Dept Info in Austrailia\nFrom: MATGBB@LURE.LATROBE.EDU.AU (BYRNES,Graham)\nOrganization: La Trobe University\nIn-Reply-To: hjkim@hyowon.pusan.ac.kr's message of Mon, 19 Apr 93 00:38:00 GMT\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24\nLines: 20\n\nIn <1993Apr19.003800.18288@worak.kaist.ac.kr> hjkim@hyowon.pusan.ac.kr writes:\n\n> Hi Netters!\n> \n> I am looking for the list of universities in Austrailia, which has electronics department. \n> I am considering to spend a year for research in Austrailia about communication area.\u00fd\u00e9 I am interested in Mobile communication areas and spread spectrum communications etc. \n> But I don't have any information about Austrailian Universities.\n> Can anybody recommend a good university in co\u00fb\u00dfmmunic\u00f7\u00b3ation area?\n> Any comments will be welcomed!\n> \n> Bye.\n> \n> Jaehyung Kim\n> \nWell, I honestly don't know if they are good, bad or indifferent, but there\nis an electronics dept here at La Trobe:\nLa Trobe University, Bundoora VIC 3083 Australia\nFax +613 471 0524\nChairman is Prof Ian White. Sorry, don't have an email address.\nGraham B\n","1605":"From: drp@camelot.bradley.edu (Douglas Pokorny)\nSubject: ISA bus pin question; re: Diamond Speedstar 24X\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: Bradley University\nLines: 33\n\n\nToday I recieved a in-warranty replacement for my\nDiamond Speedstar 24X.  On the card I've noticed a few\nchanges; mostly there is a new jumper labeled JP5.\n(The card is revision 5A)\n\nMy detective work has shown that this jumper simply\nconnects\/disconnects the BALE line on the 64-pin part\nof the ISA bus.\n\nThe question I have is simple:\nTo those people who own this revision of the Speedstar 24X,\nwhat does the manual claim that this jumper does?\n\nTo anyone with an ISA-reference, what is the function of the\nBALE line?\n\nOn a related note:\nAre there any FTP sites which contain a descriptive reference to\nthe ISA bus?  My motherboard manual has a simple pin-to-signal-name\nchart, but that is it.\n\n-Douglas\n\n\n_________________________________________________________\n ________   ___    ___  \n|_   __  \\ |   |  |   |   Douglas R. Pokorny\n  | |__| \/  | |    | |    drp@camelot.bradley.edu\n  |  __  \\  | |    | |    CS major\/Geisert Hall Resident\n _| |__|  | |  \\__\/  |    \n|________\/   \\______\/     \"Conveniently located in the \n  Bradley   University     armpit of Illinois... Peoria\" \n","1606":"From: dtate+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate)\nSubject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR\nOrganization: Department of Industrial Engineering\nLines: 54\n\nsbp002@acad.drake.edu said:\n\n>> In article 2482@adobe.com, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:\n>>>Every single piece of evidence we can find points to Major League Baseball\n>>>being 50% offense, 50% defense.  A run scored is just as important as a run\n>>>prevented.  \n\n>Of course a run scored is just as important as a run prevented.\n>Just as a penny saved is a penny earned.  Enough with the cliches.\n\nIt's not a cliche, and (unlike your comments below) it's not a tautology.\nIt needn't have been true.  If every pitcher in baseball were essentially\nthe same in quality (i.e. if the variance of pitching ability were much\nsmaller than the variance of batting ability), then scoring runs would be\nmuch more important than preventing them, simply because the *ability* to\nactively prevent runs would be much weaker.\n\n>My point is that IF the Braves starters are able to live up to\n>their potential, they won't need much offensive support.\n\nIf that's your point, you should have said so.  What you in fact said was\n\"Pitching and defense win championships\", and later \"Pitching is the essence\nof baseball\".  Neither of which says what you are now claiming was \"your \npoint\", and neither of which is true.\n\n>It seems to me that when quality pitchers take the\n>mound, the other teams score less runs.  The team that scores the most \n>runs wins.  \n\nAnd you accuse Sherri of mouthing cliches!?\n\n>This puts the team with the better pitching at the advantage\n>(providing they can stop the opposing team from scoring runs).  A low \n>scoring game would clearly benefit the Braves.  \n\nIt's not clear to me at all that this is true.  In high-scoring games, the\nteam with the better offense wins a high percentage of the time.  In low-\nscoring games, the split is essentially 50\/50 regardless of team ability.\n\n>They should have many \n>low scoring games due to their excellent pitching and below average hitting.\n>On the flip side, if you had a starting lineup of great offensive players,\n>I would be arguing that this team would not need great pitchers.\n\nI thought you said \"pitching and defense win championships\" and \"pitching is\nthe essence of baseball\".\n\n\n\n-- \n   David M. Tate   (dtate+@pitt.edu) |  Greetings, sir, with bat not quick \n     member IIE, ORSA, TIMS, SABR    |  Hands not soft, eye not discerning\n                                     |  And in Denver they call you a slugger?\n   \"The Big Catullus\" Galarraga      |  And compare you to my own Mattingly!?\n","1607":"From: timlin@spot.Colorado.EDU (Michael Timlin)\nSubject: Re: Best Homeruns\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 17\n\ndswartz@osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber) writes:\n\n>In article <4200419@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> boell@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Donald P Boell) writes:\n>>I'd have to say the most impressive HRs I've ever see came from Dave Kingman\n>>and his infamous moon-raker drives...\n\n>I remember one he hit circa 1976 at Wrigley Field that went across\n>the street (in dead center field) and hit a house on the roof.  He\n>whiffed a lot, but when he *did* connect, watch out!\n\nMy favorite was the Barry Foote homer that bounced on Waveland and through\na second floor window across the street.  Second though, would be the Kong\ndrive that was last seen bouncing down the street that dead ends to the \npark at Waveland.\n\nMike Timlin\ntimlin@spot.colorado.edu\n","1608":"From: steerr@h01.UUCP (R. William Steer)\nSubject: X server for NT?\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: cognac!sunpitt!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert@sunpitt.East.Sun.COM\n\nDoes anybody have an X server for NT that they're willing to share files\nor experiences?\n\nBill Steer\nWestinghouse\n","1609":"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 57\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.215833.15970@bnr.ca> (Rashid) writes:\n\n\n>> What about the Twelve Imams, who he considered incapable of error\n>> or sin? Khomeini supports this view of the Twelve Imans. This is\n>> heresy for the very reasons I gave above. \n\n\n>I would be happy to discuss the  issue of the 12 Imams with you, although\n>my preference would be to move the discussion to another\n>newsgroup.  I feel a philosophy or religion group would be more \n>appropriate. \n\n\nI think many reading this group would also benefit by knowing how\ndeviant the view _as I've articulated it above_ (which may not be\nthe true view of Khomeini) is from the basic principles of Islam. \nSo that the non-muslim readers of this group will see how far from \nthe simple basics of Islam such views are on the face of them. And \nif they are _not_ in contradiction with the basics of Islam, how \nsubtle such issues are and how it seems sects exist in Islam while \nthey are explicitly proscribed by the Qur'an.\n\n\n>The topic is deeply embedded in the world view of Islam and the\n>esoteric teachings of the Prophet (S.A.). Heresy does not enter\n>into it at all except for those who see Islam only as an exoteric\n>religion that is only nominally (if at all) concerned with the metaphysical\n>substance of man's being and nature.\n\n\nIn my opinion considering any human being as having a substance\nor metaphysical fundamentally different from that of any other human\nbeing _is_ a heretical notion and one proscribed by Islam. \n\n\n>From your posts, you seem fairly well versed in Sunni thought. You\n>should seek to know Shi'ite thought through knowledgeable \n>Shi'ite authors as well - at least that much respect is due before the\n>charge of heresy is levelled.\n\n\nAbsolutely! I would be interested in discussing this privately and\nI am interested in hearing how one might try to make the concept of\nerror-free and sinless human beings philosophically consistent with\nthe teachings of the Qur'an. However, _prima facie_ such attemptsa\nare highly susceptible to degenerating into monkery, explicitly\nproscribed by the Qur'an.\n\n\n>As salaam a-laikum\n\nAlaikum Wassalam\n\n\nGregg\n\n","1610":"From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)\nSubject: Re: Ranger vs. S-10 opinions\nArticle-I.D.: henson.1993Apr15.203313.24290\nOrganization: Western Washington University\nLines: 16\n\nIf your buying a compact pickup do yourself a favor and wait a few months\nfor the 1994 GMC sonoma.  Magazines are saying it is day and night over the\ncurrent truck.  It's georgeous, solid, and fast (200hp Vortec 4.3 V-6).\nShould whip the Ranger in every area too (accept maybe payload).  And always\npick a GMC over a Chevy.  GMC's are always so much better looking.  Man, I \nmiss the Comanche.\n\nMarty and Matt Owings\n'87 250 ninja type rider dudes\n\n\"It's a feeling that we all wanna know\nand it's an obsession to some\nto keep the world in you rearview mirror\nwhile you try to run down the sun\"\n\n\"Wheels\" by Rhestless Heart.\n","1611":"From: jek@icf.hrb.com (Joe Karolchik)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: HRB Systems, Inc.\nLines: 31\n\n(I deleted your name because I don't want to sound accusative in my remark)\n> \n> This is a two-sided problem. Unfortunately our culture has been deteriorating over time.\n> The \"breeding\" of these low-life's is getting worse; our justice system is at best\n> extremely weak to handle these problems. That is why low-abiding citizens should have\n> the power to protect themselves and their property using deadly force if necessary \n> anywhere a threat is imminent.\n> \n> My Camaro (my pride and joy) got stolen right out of my driveway a few years back.\n> The persons that did that were eventually caught (lucky for me!) but not before\n> having trashed the car.\n> \n> On another occasion, on my way from Texas to Florida, I had stopped in a small motel\n> for the night in a small town somewhere in Florida. About 5 youths were disturbing my\n> car, setting off the alarm and challenging me to come out. When I and another tenant\n> walked out with a 357 Magnum and a 45 automatic respectively, they vanished. \n> Needless to say, I immediately packed-up and left.\n> \n> Watch out for car-jacking and staged accidents. They can be deadly!\n> \nI'm not going to argue the issue of carrying weapons, but I would ask you if \nyou would have thought seriously about shooting a kid for setting off your\nalarm?  I can think of worse things in the world.  Glad you got out of there\nbefore they did anything to give you a reason to fire your gun.\n\nWe can all ask \"what's happening to society these days\", but don't forget to\nask another important question too: What effort am I expending to make it any\ndifferent than it is?\n\nJust my thoughts,\nJoe Karolchik\n","1612":"From: mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael Frederick Rhein)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 74\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\n\nIn article <93109.13404334AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:\n>I will be surprised if this post makes it past the censors,\n>but here goes:\n>\n>Monday, 19 April, 1993 13:30 EDT\n>\n>                    MURDER  MOST  FOUL!!\n>\n>CNN is reporting as I write this that the ATF has ignited all\n                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nI watched the CNN report and I never heard them report that the ATF started the\nfire.  They did speculate that the type of CS gas might have _accidentaly_\nstarted the fire.  \n\n>the buildings of the Branch Dividian ranch near Waco, TX. The\n>lies from ATF say \"holes were made in the walls and 'non-lethal' tear\n>gas pumped in\". A few minutes after this started the whole thing went up.\n                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nFrom my understanding of the CNN report it was 6 HOURS after they started.\n\n>ALL buildings are aflame. NO ONE HAS ESCAPED. I think it obvious that\n>the ATF used armored flame-thrower vehicles to pump in unlit\n              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nThe track vehicle that I saw in the vicinity of the building where fire was \nfirst noticed looked more like an armored recovery vehicle (the type used to \ntow tanks of battle fields) and not an armored flame-thrower vehicle.\n\n>napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.\n                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nAs someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day  \nin Texas.  It seems to me that it would be very poor planing to hope for a wood\nstove to ignite the \"napalm\" when the stove would probably not be in use.  And \nI doubt that it would have taken 6 hours to ignite it.\n\n>\n>THIS IS MURDER!\n>\n>ATF MURDERERS!  BUTCHERS!!\n>\n>THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN!\n>\n>I have predicted this from the start, but God, it sickens me to see\n>it happen. I had hoped I was wrong. I had hoped that there was\n>still some shred of the America I grew up with, and loved, left\n>alive. I was wrong. The Nazis have won.\n                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\nRight Clinton is in office.  (Sorry I couldn't resist, please no flames :))\n\n>\n>I REPEAT, AS OF THIS TIME THERE ARE **NO  SURVIVORS**!\n>\n>God help us all.\n>\n>\n>PLEASE CROSSPOST -- DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH THE SLAUGHTER OF THE CHILDREN!\n>\n>\n>W. K. Gorman - an American in tears.\n\nIn short Mr. Gorman (I am assuming Mr. as a title because I don't think a woman\nwould be stupid enough to make this post) I don't know what episode of CNN you\nwere watching but it obviously was not the same one that I was watching or your\ntears seamed to have blured your hearing along with your eye sight.\n\nPlease excuse any mispelled words as I am a product of the Arkansas education\nsystem which Slick Willie of the \"Double Bubba Ticket\" has so greately improved\nduring his tenour as Governer of my great state (taking it from 49th in the \nnation in 1980 and allowing it to drop to 51st, how I don't know, and bringing\nit to 44st and back to either 48th or 49th in 1990--sorry I can't rember the \nsource of these numbers but they can be found).\n\nMichael F. Rhein\n\n\n","1613":"From: cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON)\nSubject: Re: 1993 NHL Draft\nOrganization: York University, Toronto, Canada\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <93109.134719IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> Jon Carr <IO91748@MAINE.MAINE.EDU> writes:\n>When is the draft this year?  And will there be any coverage?\n>I know the upcomming NFL draft is on ESPN.\n>\n>Anyone got the details?\n>\n>Paul Kariya 1993 #1 Pick! (No. 2 perhaps?  He won't last long!) :-)\n>\nI don't know the exact coverage in the states.  In Canada it is covered\nby TSN, so maybe ESPN will grab their coverage!  I don't know!\n\nAs for the picks\nOttawa picks #1 which means it is almost 100% that Alexander Daigle will \ngo #1. He'll either stay or be traded in Montreal or Quebec.  IMO I would\ntake Kariya.  He should alot of leadership in the NCAA and so far in\nthe World Championships.  Daigle didn't show this for his junior team.\n\nSan Jose will then get Kariya.\n\nTampa Bay will either go for a russian Kozlov (I think that's it) or a \n    defenseman Rob Niedemeyer (probably spelt the last name wrong)\n\nBecause of expansion I won't go further but I will name other of the\nblue chip prospects\n\n   - Chris Gratton\n   - Chris Pridham\n   - a swedish player who I can't remember his name\n\nDraft Order\n-----------\n1) Ottawa\n2) San Jose\n3) Tampa Bay\n4) South Florida or Anahiem\n5) South Florida or Anahiem\n6) Hartford\n7) Edmonton\n8) Dallas\n9) NY Rangers\n10) Philadelphia\n\nthe 8th thru 10th picks could be wrong - I don't have the standings here\nand am guessing \n\n(In my mind there are 8 top notch prospects in the draft, with Kariya \n leading the way but not going #1)\n\nShawn - GO CAPS (two first round picks for the next three years - THANKS\n                 ST.LOUIS or should I say RON CARON and SCOTT STEVENS)\n\n","1614":"From: e_p@unl.edu (edgar pearlstein)\nSubject: Legal definition of religion\nOrganization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln\nLines: 8\n\n\n  .\n           It's my understanding that the U.S. Supreme Court has never \n       given a legal definition of religion.  This despite the many \n       cases involving religion that have come before the Court. \n           Can anyone verify or falsify this?  \n           Has any state or other government tried to give a legal \n       definition of religion? \n","1615":"From: nicho@vnet.IBM.COM (Greg Stewart-Nicholls)\nSubject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents?\nReply-To: nicho@vnet.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM\nNews-Software: UReply 3.1\nX-X-From: nicho@vnet.ibm.com\n            <1993Apr20.001428.724@indyvax.iupui.edu>\nLines: 14\n\nIn <1993Apr20.001428.724@indyvax.iupui.edu> tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu writes:\n>Let's play a game - What would be a reasonable reward?  What companies would\n>have a reasonable shot at pulling off such a feat?  Just where in the\n>budget would the reward come from?  Should there be a time limit?  Would a\n>straight cash money award be enough or should we throw in say . . .\n>exclusive mining rights for the first fifty years? You get the idea.\n A cash award is OK. A time limit would be nice. You can't give away\nmining rights (assuming there's anything to mine) because you don't own\nthem.\n -----------------------------------------------------------------\n .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one.\n\nGreg Nicholls ... nicho@vnet.ibm.com (business) or\n                  nicho@olympus.demon.co.uk (private)\n","1616":"From: ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Ricardo Hernandez Muchado)\nSubject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: rs43873.rchland.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Rochester\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.121925.14451@microware.com>, jejones@microware.com (James Jones) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr15.164940.11632@mercury.unt.edu> Sean McMains <mcmains@unt.edu> writes:\n|> >In article <1993Apr15.144843.19549@rchland.ibm.com> Ricardo Hernandez\n|> >Muchado, ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com writes:\n|> >>   And CD-I's CPU doesn't help much either.  I understand it is\n|> >>a 68070 (supposedly a variation of a 68000\/68010) running at something\n|> >>like 7Mhz.  With this speed, you *truly* need sprites.\n|> >\n|> >Wow! A 68070! I'd be very interested to get my hands on one of these,\n|> >especially considering the fact that Motorola has not yet released the\n|> >68060, which is supposedly the next in the 680x0 lineup. 8-D\n|> \n|> Don't get too excited; Signetics, not Motorola, gave the 68070 its number.\n|> The 68070, if I understand rightly, uses the 68000 instruction set, and has\n|> an on-chip serial port and DMA.  (It will run at up to 15 MHz--I'm typing\n|> at a computer using a 68070 running at that rate, so I know that it can\n|> do so--so I seriously doubt the clock rate that ricardo@rchland.vnet.ibm.com\n|> claims.)\n|> \n|> \tJames Jones\n\n   Just because the 68070 can run upto 15Mhz doesn't mean the CD-I\nis running at that speed.  I said -> I understand it is a 68070 running\nat something like 7Mhz.  I am not sure, but I think I read this a long\ntime ago.\n\n   Anyway, still with 15Mhz, you need sprites for a lot of tricks for\nmaking cool awesome games (read psygnosis).\n\n--------------------------------------\nRaist  New A1200 owner   320<->1280 in x, 200<->600 in y\nin 256,000+ colors from a 24-bit palette.  **I LOVE IT!**<- New Low Fat .sig\n*don't e-mail me* -> I don't have a valid address nor can I send e-mail\n\n  \n","1617":"From: mayne@ds3.scri.fsu.edu (Bill Mayne)\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: Supercomputer Computations Research Institute\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.09.02.1993.28445@athos.rutgers.edu> miner@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:\n>[Any former atheists converted by argument?}\n>This is an excellent question and I'll be anxious to see if there are\n>any such cases.  I doubt it.  In the medieval period (esp. 10th-cent.\n>when Aquinas flourished) argument was a useful tool because everyone\n>\"knew the rules.\"  Today, when you can't count on people knowing even\n>the basics of logic or seeing through rhetoric, a good argument is\n>often indistinguishable from a poor one.\n\nThe last sentence is ironic, since so many readers of\nsoc.religion.christian seem to not be embarrassed by apologists such as\nJosh McDowell and C.S. Lewis. The above also expresses a rather odd sense\nof history. What makes you think the masses in Aquinas' day, who were\nmostly illiterate, knew any more about rhetoric and logic than most people\ntoday? If writings from the period seem elevated consider that only the\ncream of the crop, so to speak, could read and write. If everyone in\nthe medieval period \"knew the rules\" it was a matter of uncritically\naccepting what they were told.\n\nBill Mayne\n\n[This may be unfair to Lewis.  The most prominent fallacy attributed\nto him is the \"liar, lunatic, and lord\".  As quoted by many\nChristians, this is a logical fallacy.  In its original context, it\nwas not.  --clh]\n","1618":"From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)\nSubject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...\nReply-To: randy@megatek.com\nOrganization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:\n|In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:\n|>       What does \"DWI\" stand for ? I thought it was \"DUI\" for Driving Under\n|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?\n|\n|Driving While Intoxicated.\n\n  Actually, I beleive \"DWI\" normally means \"Driving While Impaired\" rather\nthan \"Intoxicated\", at least it does in the states I've lived in...\n\n|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her \n|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!\n\n  One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,\nnot enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm\nsurprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined\nto liquor?\n\nRandy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com\nZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy\nDoD #0013\n\n       \"But, this one goes to *eleven*...\" - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_\n\n","1619":"From: kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu\nSubject: Re: Certainty and Arrogance\nLines: 112\n\nMy last article included this quote:\n\n \"If any substantial number of  [ talk.religion.misc ]  readers read some\n  Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear.  (If they *understood*\n  some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))\" -- Michael L Siemon\n\nSomeone called `boundary' wrote:\n \n> This quote seems a little arrogant, don't you think?\n\nThere is a convention called a `smiley', which looks like this:   :-)  .\nIt is supposed to look like a sideways smiley-face, and indicates that the\npreceding comment is supposed to be funny.\n\n\nAnd, I'll note that I have participated on talk.religion.misc for over\nfive years -- I'd say Mr Siemon was not too far off.  8^)\n\n *\n\nIn the meat of his reply, Mr Boundary serves up an excellent example of what\nI meant by \"There is no way out of the loop\".  I wrote that human brains \"are\ninfested with sin\", and can be trusted only in limited circumstances.\n\nIn reply, Mr Boundary wrote:\n\n> I would beg to differ with you here.  The properly-formed conscience\n> can be trusted virtually ALL the time.\n\nWhich just moves the problem back one level: how do you tell if your\nconscience is properly formed?\n\nThe only way to tell is to presuppose that you are capable of judging the\nformed-ness of your own conscience.  In other words, you can only be sure\nthat your conscience is `properly formed' if you assume that your evaluation\ncan be trusted.  Assuming your conclusions saves you a lot of time, I'll\ngrant, but it's not a valid way of reasoning.\n\nUnless you are infallible, your judgements about your own thinking cannot be\ncertain.  Therefore, it is not possible to be certain your conscience is\n`properly formed'.  (Whatever that is supposed to mean.)\n\n\nMr Boundary then gives another paradigm example of the problem:\n\n> Now you have hit on the purpose of the Church.  It is by necessity the\n> infallible interpreter of divine revelation.  Without the Church,          \n> Christianity would be nothing more than a bunch of little divisive sects.\n\nThe Church is `by necessity' the infallible interpreter of divine revelation?\nHow do you know?  Presumably, you believe this because of some argument or\nanother -- how do you know that the argument contains no mistakes?\n\nYou write:\n\n> Therefore, although our minds are finite and susceptible to error, our\n> competence in arriving at inductive insights gives confidence in our\n> ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true, even in areas\n> not subject to the experimental method. \n\nBut there is a huge difference between `confidence in our ability to\ndistinguish what is true from what is not true' and `infallible'.  I am\nconfident about a lot of things, but absolute certainty is a very long way\nfrom `confident'.\n\nThis discussion is about the arrogance of claiming to be absolutely certain\n(really, go check the subject line).  Saying you are absolutely certain is\nsignificantly different than saying you are confident.  When you say that\nyou are confident, that invites people to ask why.\n\nExcept in very limited circumstances, when you say that you are absolutely\ncertain, it invites people to dismiss you as someone who does not have any\nidea of his own fallibility.\n\n\nI have yet to meet anyone who believed in a knowably-infallible source of\ntruth who would admit the possibility of errors in his reasoning.  All of\nthem -- every last one -- has claimed that he was himself infallible.\nThe result has been to convince me that they had no idea what was going on.\n\n\nDarren F Provine \/ kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu\n\n[This particular discussion may not be entirely relevant to the\noriginal criticism.  I get the feeling that the original poster\nregarded as arrogant the very idea that there are right and wrong\nanswers in religion, and that the difference can have eternal\nconsequences.  When I say that I think there is a hell and that he is\nat least in significant danger of ending up there, I will admit that\n-- as you say -- the reasoning processes I used to reach this are\nfallible.  Thus at least in principle I could be wrong.  But these\nbasic facts are clearly enough taught in the Bible that I think it's\nunlikely that I'm misinterpreting it.  (In order to get this level of\nconfidence, I've tried to frame my statement sufficiently carefully as\nto sidestep a number of the more controversial issues.  I haven't, for\nexample said that all non-Christians will definitely end up in hell,\nand I haven't attempted to describe hell in any detail.)  I have a\nfeeling that my view is going to be regarded as arrogant and\nintolerant even though I acknowledge that I'm fallible and so there's\nsome chance I'm wrong.\n\nDon't get me wrong -- I think there are a lot of genuinely arrogant\nChristians, and often criticism of us is justified.  But in at least\nsome cases I think the criticisms constitute blaming the messenger.\nIf the universe is set up so that there are eternal consequences for\ncertain decisions, it's not my fault -- I'm just telling it the way I\nthink it is.  You may think God is immoral for setting things up that\nway.  It's one of the critiques of Christianity that I find it most\ndifficult to respond to.  But it's not arrogance for me to tell what\nI think is the truth.\n\n--clh]\n","1620":"From: Leigh Palmer <palmer@sfu.ca>\nSubject: Re: Orion drive in vacuum -- how?\nX-Xxmessage-Id: <A7F6002BF6011C1D@rs14-annex3.sfu.ca>\nX-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 02:42:51 GMT\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <C5nGxq.663@zoo.toronto.edu> Henry Spencer,\nhenry@zoo.toronto.edu writes:\n>The National Air & Space Museum has both the prototype and the film.\n>When I was there, some years ago, they had the prototype on display and\n>the film continuously repeating.\n\nGreat! I'll visit the National Air and Space Museum at the end of the\nmonth with my wife, who was also working at General Atomic at the time.\nOnce again netnews has enriched my life.\n\nLeigh\n","1621":"From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito)\nSubject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?\nOrganization: Encore Computer Corp.\nDistribution: rec\nIn-Reply-To: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu's message of 14 Apr 93 14:40:15 EST\nNntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com\nLines: 41\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:\n\n   Request for opinions:\t\n\n   Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?\n\n\n   We're looking for more than \"Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the \n   1-pc is better protection,...\"\t\n\n   Thanks in advance,\n   Nadine\n\n\nWhat is best? Books have been written on that! But in regard to\nAeroStich it really depends on your particular size, shape and needs.\nIf you upper and lower body are not proportional (according to aero\ndimensions) then it probably is going to be better mixing and matching\nthe 2 piece suit. I have the 2 piece suit and I am very happy with it.\nHaving my life quota of scars from crashing off road, I am very\nconcerned with good protection and I believe that the difference in\nprotection between the 1 and 2 piece suits is almost negligible. I\nthink the optional hip pads and back protector make much more of a\ndifference. One thing that is nice about the 2 piece is if you go\nsomewhere and then want to walk around for a while (still with jacket)\nyou can just detach and stow the pants. \n\nOne thing to note is that Goldfine has problems getting a good fit for\nmany women (with standard suits). Supposedly for smaller women (and\npetite men for that matter) the 1 piece will fit better. \n\nAnother recommendation is to pay for mods if you need them. I wish I\ngot 2-3 inches added to my pant legs. I find the Long suits are not\nreally that long (I can't imagine how short the standard suits must\nbe). \n\n--\nJonathan E. Polito \t\t    Internet: jpolito@encore.com\nEncore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC  27511  USA\n919-481-3730\/voice  \t\t\t\t919-481-3868\/FAX\n","1622":"From: brent@vpnet.chi.il.us (Brent Hansen)\nSubject: Re: GUI Study\nOrganization: Vpnet Public Access\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 58\n\nIn article <1993Apr2.203400.15357@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com> c2xjfa@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (James F Allman III) writes:\n>\n>> \n>> > I'm doing a study on what the following type of users would like to\n>> > have on a Unix Manager.  Basically I'm looking for the Unix commands\n>> > and features on Motif window interface which will help the different\n>> > type of users make use of Unix.\n>> ...\n\n\n>> Personally, I can't stand Motif.  I also can't stand GUI      Command Line!\n>> interfaces for things like access to the commands I know      Command Line!\n>> and love.  I think you'll find that experience [sic] users    Command Line!\n>> \n>> \t\t\t\t\tder Mouse\n>> ...\n\n\n>A year and a half ago I felt the same way.  The I started using\n>gooyies.  Give me the command line when something out of the ordinary\n>needs done, and the gooy when I am doing normal or repative work. \n>Note that most operations are repetative.  Hackers love CLs because\n>  ...\n\nWhat I like about GUI's:\n\n\t- The ability to view and manipulate a group of objects, files,\n\t  text, directories, etc. and and manipulate them in some way\n\t  such as delete, copy, paste, rename ...\n\n\t- The ability to have several applications \/ screens visible\n\t  and accessable at the same time.\n\n\t- Being able to do a standard set of functions easily and\n\t  quickly on an unfamiliar operating system. I am familiar with\n\t  the command lines of several operating systems but occasionally\n\t  I will have to some work on a system that I almost never use.\n\t  If it has a GUI, I can usually accomplish what I want to do\n\t  fairly easily, the command line on the other hand often is\n\t  a long and painful experience.\n\n\nWhat I hate about GUI's:\n\n\t- Having to switch between the mouse and the keyboard. I guess\n\t  I have a strong one-handed preference. I like to use a\n\t  computer with one hand and use the other for holding something\n\t  like a piece of paper of a mug of tea. I have configured my\n\t  favorite editor so that most of the editing functions can be\n\t  done with one hand such as navigating, cutting, pasting,\n\t  searching, opening and saving files, etc. The main thing I\n\t  need to use both hands for is entering text.\n\n\tI guess I need to get one of those mice with, like, 20 buttons\n\tor something and then I will have the best of both worlds.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tBrent\n\n","1623":"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)\nSubject: Re: Atlanta Hockey Hell!!\nNntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca\nOrganization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <0foVj7i00WB4MIUmht@andrew.cmu.edu> Mamatha Devineni Ratnam <mr47+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>\n>Well, it's not that bad. But I am still pretty pissed of at the\n>local ABC coverage. They cut off the first half hour of coverage by playing\n\n[stuff deleted]\n\nOk, here's the solution to your problem.  Move to Canada.  Yesterday I was able\nto watch FOUR games...the NJ-PITT at 1:00 on ABC, LA-CAL at 3:00 (CBC), \nBUFF-BOS at 7:00 (TSN and FOX), and MON-QUE at 7:30 (CBC).  I think that if\neach series goes its max I could be watching hockey playoffs for 40-some odd\nconsecutive nights (I haven't counted so that's a pure guess).\n\nI have two tv's in my house, and I set them up side-by-side to watch MON-QUE\nand keep an eye on BOS-BUFF at the same time.  I did the same for the two\nafternoon games.\n\nBtw, those ABC commentaters were great!  I was quite impressed; they seemed\nto know that their audience wasn't likely to be well-schooled in hockey lore\nand they did an excellent job.  They were quite impartial also, IMO.\n\n\n\ndchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (not suffering from a shortage of hockey here)\n","1624":"From: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk (Mr J J Trevor)\nSubject: [SNES] Games for sale\/trade\nOrganization: Department of Computing at Lancaster University, UK.\nLines: 29\n\n\nI have the following games for sale or trade for other SNES (or\nGenesis\/MegaDrive games):\n(all have instructions and box except where stated)\n\nSFC:\nMickeys Magical Quest (no instructions)\nA.Suzukis Super GrandPrix\nLegend of the Mystical Ninja\n\nUK SNES:\nOut of this World \/ Another World\nSuper Soccer\n\nUS SNES:\nKrustys Fun House\nIrem Skins Golf\nSuper Tennis (currently under offer)\n\nI will sell for US$ for UK pounds.\n\nCheers\nJonathan\n\n-- \n___________\n  |onathan   Phone: +44 524 65201 x3793 Address:Department of Computing\n'-'________    Fax: +44 524 381707              Lancaster University\n            E-mail: jonathan@comp.lancs.ac.uk   Lancaster, Lancs., U.K.\n","1625":"From: tomm@hank.ca.boeing.com (Tom Mackey)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nKeywords: BRICK, TRUCK, DANGER\nOrganization: BoGART Graphics Development\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <C5JoIt.E31@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> neil@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Neil Williams) writes:\n>As long as we're on the subject... Several years ago myself and two others\n>were riding in the front of a Toyota pickup heading south on Interstate 5\n>north of Seattle, WA. Someone threw a rock of an overpass and hit our\n>windshield. Not by accident I'm sure, it was impossible to get up to the\n>overpass quickly to see who did it. We figured it was kids, reported it and\n>left.\n>A couple of years ago it happend again and killed a guy at my company. He was\n>in his mid-fourties and left behind a wife and children. Turned out there was\n>a reformatory for juviniles a few blocks away. They caught the 14 year old\n>that did it. They put a cover over the overpass, what else could they do?\n\nExecute the juvi on the grounds of the reformatory, required attendendence\nby the rest of the inmates, as soon as possible after the incident and a\nquick sure trial.  I am quite serious.  Cause and effect.  Nothing else\nwill ever make a dent.\n\n>I don't think I'll over forget this story.\n>Neil Williams, Boeing Computer Services, Bellevue WA.\n\nMe neither.\n\n\n-- \nTom Mackey          (206) 865-6575        tomm@voodoo.ca.boeing.com\nBoeing Computer Services               ....uunet!bcstec!voodoo!tomm\nM\/S 7K-20,       P.O. Box 24346,       Seattle, WA       98124-0346\n","1626":"From: dfeldman@lookout.mtt.it.uswc.uswest.com (David Feldman)\nSubject: Trident 8900 *CL* 1280x1024 driver?\nNntp-Posting-Host: lookout\nOrganization: U S WEST Information Technologies\nLines: 8\n\nPlease excuse if FAQ but...\nNew Trident 8900CL based card claims to have 1280x1024 support.\nDrivers with card indicate several 1280x1024 drivers on diskette.\nWindows 3.1 does not make all drivers on diskette available to\nconfiguration dialog box. Any suggestion?\nThanx; please e-mail.\ndfeldman@uswest.com\n\n","1627":"From: jdolske@andy.bgsu.edu (justin dolske)\nSubject: Re: Wanted ISA mouse port with high interrupt\nOrganization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.\nDistribution: na\nLines: 32\n\nlyourk@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Loran N. Yourk) writes:\n> \n> With a sound card on interrupt 5, two serial ports (one for modem on i4,\n> one for Miracle Piano on i3) and a printer port on i7, I have run out of\n> low interrupts.  What I would like is a mouse port with an interrupt of\n> 10, 11, or 12 (which ever interrupt the PS\/2 mouse port uses) in in ISA\n> i486 computer.  I called technical support of Microsoft, Logitech, & ATI\n> (checked what interrupts the mouse port on the ATI video cards can use)\n> and they all said the only interrupts possible on these cards was ones\n> lower than 7.  Does anyone know of any board for an ISA bus which will\n> allow a mouse port (or even a serial port) with high interrupts?\n\n   Try putting one of the IRQs for your COM ports onto IRQ2. The hardware will\nautomagically wrap IRQ2 to IRQ9 on AT class machines (eg, anything with high\nIRQs). This is what I'm doing on my set up right now. \n   I've got COM2 on IRQ2 (really IRQ9 - address it this way in software), COM1\non IRQ3, SoundBlaster on IRQ5, LPT1 on IRQ7, and my ATI BusMouse port on one of\nthe interrupts in between. Works just great.\n   If you need even more, there's a text file floating around somewhere that\ndetails how to hack up any serial card (and probably any others) to work on the\nhigher IRQs. It basically involves cutting the trace to the low IRQ and running a wire over the a high IRQ pin on the 16bit expansion bus.\n\n  It will be best to put the modem's COM port onto IRQ2\/9. This will be the \n\nfirst IRQ serviced by the system, giving the modem a better response -- \nespecially handy under multitaskers like OS\/2 -- which I'm running with no\nproblems.\n\nJustin\n---\njdolske@andy.bgsu.edu\n \n","1628":"From: irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine)\nSubject: Re: Stop The SeXularHumanistOppression { former my beloved  Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over}\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <15APR199303031064@reg.triumf.ca> vincent@reg.triumf.ca (pete) writes:\n>In article <C5HwA1.EBp@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu \n>(Brent Irvine) writes...\n>` \n>`\t\"54-40\" or fight was about a territorial dispute with\n>`\tBritish Canada, again OLD STUFF. \n>\n>Uh, not quite. The 54\/40' boundary dispute is still unresolved,\n>and Canadian and US Coast Guard vessels regularly if infrequently\n>detain each other's fish boats in the disputed waters off Dixon\n>Entrance. The only reason you don't hear more about it is that\n>it's in neither country's interest to aggravate the quarrel. \n>That doesn't mean that either country is prepared to back down,\n>especially the local political representatives whose constituents\n>are all fishermen.\n\nFishing rights are disputed.  Between 2 nations, no matter *how* \nfriendly, there is ALWAYS fishing disputes.\n\nWhat I was getting at was the 54 40' or fight slogan is OLD STUFF\ndealing with the LAND dispute.  No one is saying 54 40' or fight \nabout fishing rights.  The territorial dispute about the Oregon\nTerritory (we called it) is LONG resolved.\n\nFishing rights...small potatoes.\n\n\n-- \n<><><><><><><><><><> Personal opinions? Why,  <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\n<>  BRENT IRVINE  <> yes.  What did you think <> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu  <>\n<><><><><><><><><><> they were?.......        <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\n","1629":"From: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com\nSubject: Re: Death Penalty \/ Gulf War\nLines: 232\n\nIn article <930419.115707.6f2.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:\n>>In article <930414.121019.7E4.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk>, mathew\n>><mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:\n>>> Yes.  Fortunately we have right-thinking folks like your good self in power\n>>> and it was therefore deemed acceptable to slaughter tens or even hundreds o\n>>> thousands of Iraqis in order to liberate oil^H^H^HKuwait.  We won the war,\n>>> hurrah hurrah!\n>> \n>> The number of civilian Iraqi deaths were way over-exaggerated and \n>> exploited for anti-war emotionalism by the liberal news media.  The\n>> facts are that less Iraqis died in the Gulf War than did civilians \n>> in any other war of comparable size this century!\n> \n> Let's analyze this claim a little.  How is the \"size\" of a war defined?  By\n> number of participants?  Geographical area?  Number of countries involved? \n> Number of casualties?\n\nSize of armies, duration, numbers of casualties both absolute and as a\npercentage of those involved, geographical area and numbers of countries\ntoo, are all measures of size.  In this case I'd say the relevant\nstatistic would be the number of combatants (total troops) compared to\ntotal casualties from among the total civilian population in the\naffected geographical area.\n\n> \n> Which other \"comparable\" wars are we talking about?\n\nVietnam and Korea might make good comparisons.\n\n> \n> Which \"liberal news media\" are we talking about?\n> \n\nWestern news in general, but in particular the American \"mass media\":\nCBS, NBC, ABC, etc.  The general tone of the news during the whole\nwar was one of \"those poor, poor Iraqis\" along with \"look how precisely\nthis cruise missile blew this building to bits\".\n\n>>                                                    This was due mostly\n>> to the short duration coupled with precise surgical bombing techniques\n>> which were technically possible only recently.\n> \n> I suspect that medical advances may have something to do with it too.\n\nI agree.\n\n> \n>> How about all the innocent people who died in blanket-bombing in WW2?\n>> I don't hear you bemoaning them!\n> \n> Perhaps because the topic hasn't cropped up.  If you want my opinion, I think\n> that the blanket bombing of German cities at the end of World War Two was the\n> most appalling act of wholesale slaughter this country has committed in\n> centuries.  Bomber Harris was no hero of mine.\n\nPerhaps so.  And maybe the atomic bomb was a mistake too.  But that's easy\nto say from our \"enlightened\" viewpoint here in the 90's, right?  Back\nthen, it was *all-out* war, and Germany and Japan had to be squashed.\nAfter all, a million or more British had already died, hundreds of \nthousands of French, a couple hundread thousand or so Americans, and \nmillions of Russians, not to mention a few million Jews, Poles, and \nother people of slavic descent in German concentration camps.  All \nthings considered, the fire-bombings and the atomic bomb were\nessential (and therefore justified) in bringing the war to a quick\nend to avoid even greater allied losses.\n\nI, for one, don't regret it.\n\n> \n>>                                 War is never an exact science, but\n>> with smart bombs, it's becoming more exact with a smaller percentage\n>> of civilian casualties.  Sometimes mistakes are made; targets are\n>> misidentified; innocents die.  That's war the way it really is.\n> \n> Entrenched political rulers operating in their own selfish interests without\n> regard for the lives of other people, *that* is the way war really is.\n\nSure.  And it's the people who suffer because of them.  All the more\nreason to depose these \"entrenched political rulers operating in their\nown selfish interests\"!  Or do you mean that this applies to the allies\nas well??\n\n> \n> Why all the fuss about Kuwait and not East Timor, Bosnia, or even Tibet?  If\n> Iraq is so bad, why were we still selling them stuff a couple of weeks before\n> we started bombing?\n\nI make no claim or effort to justify the misguided foreign policy of the\nWest before the war.  It is evident that the West, especially America,\nmisjudged Hussein drastically.  But once Hussein invaded Kuwait and \nthreatened to militarily corner a significant portion of the world's\noil supply, he had to be stopped.  Sure the war could have been\nprevented by judicious and concerted effort on the part of the West\nbefore Hussein invaded Kuwait, but it is still *Hussein* who is\nresponsible for his decision to invade.  And once he did so, a\nstrong response from the West was required.\n\n> \n>> Mathew, your sarcasm is noted but you are completely off-base here.\n>> You come off sounding like a complete peace-nik idiot, although I\n>> feel sure that was not your intent.\n> \n> What's your intent?  To sound like a Loving Christian?  Well, you aren't\n> doing a very good job of it.\n\nWell, it's not very \"loving\" to allow a Hussein or a Hitler to gobble up\nnearby countries and keep them.  Or to allow them to continue with mass\nslaughter of certain peoples under their dominion.  So, I'd have to\nsay yes, stopping Hussein was the most \"loving\" thing to do for the\nmost people involved once he set his mind on military conquest.\n> \n>> So the Iraqi war was wrong, eh?  I'm sure that appeasement would have\n>> worked better than war, just like it did in WW2, eh?\n> \n> Who even mentioned appeasement?  And what makes you think the situation is\n> even remotely analogous to World War Two?\n\nI mentioned it.\n\nIf we hadn't intervened, allowing Hussein to keep Kuwait, then it would\nhave been appeasement.  It is precisely the lessons the world learned\nin WW2 that motivated the Western alliance to war.  Letting Hitler take\nAustria and Czechoslavkia did not stop WW2 from happening, and letting\nHussein keep Kuwait would not have stopped an eventual Gulf War to\nprotect Saudi Arabia.\n\n> \n>>                                                           I guess we\n>> shouldn't have fought WW2 either -- just think of all those innocent\n>> German civilians killed in Dresden and Hamburg.\n> \n> Yes, do.  Germans are human too, you know.\n> \n\nSure.  What was truly unfortunate was that they followed Hitler in\nhis grandiose quest for a \"Thousand Year Reich\".  The consequences\nstemmed from that.\n\n>> Tyrants like Hussein *have* to be stopped.  His kind don't understand\n>> diplomacy; they only understand the point of a gun.  My only regret is\n>> that Bush wimped out and didn't have the military roll into Baghdad, so\n>> now Hussein is still in power and the Iraqi people's sacrifice (not to\n>> mention the 357 Americans who died) was for naught.\n> \n> I look forward to hearing your incisive comments about East Timor and Tibet.\n> \nWhat should I say about them?  Anything in particular?\n\n\n>> And as for poor, poor Rodney King!  Did you ever stop and think *why*\n>> the jury in the first trial brought back a verdict of \"not guilty\"?\n> \n> Yes.  Amongst the things I thought were \"Hmm, there's an awful lot of white\n> people in that jury.\"\n\nSo?  It was the *policemen* on trial not Rodney King!!  And under American\nlaw they deserved a jury of *their* peers!  If there had been black\nofficers involved, I'm sure their would have been black jurors too.\nThis point (of allegedly racial motivations) is really shallow.\n\n> \n>> Those who have been foaming at the mouth for the blood of those\n>> policemen certainly have looked no further than the video tape.\n>> But the jury looked at *all* the evidence, evidence which you and I\n>> have not seen.\n> \n> When I see a bunch of policemen beating someone who's lying defenceless on\n> the ground, it's rather hard to imagine what this other evidence might have\n> been.\n\nSo?  It's \"hard to imagine\"?  So when has Argument from Incredulity\ngained acceptance from the revered author of \"Constructing a Logical\nArgument\"?  Can we expect another revision soon??  :)  (Just kidding.)\n\n> \n> If there is some wonderful evidence, why is it seemingly being kept secret? \n> Why not tell everyone what it is?  Then everyone could say \"Oh, yes, you're\n> right, King deserved a good beating\", and we could all live happily ever\n> after.\n\nI have to admit that I wonder this too.  But *neither* the prosecution\nnor the defense is talking.  So one cannot conclude either way due to\nthe silence of the principals.  \n\n> \n>> Law in this country is intended to protect the rights of the accused,\n>> whether they be criminals or cops.  One is not found guilty if there is\n>> a reasonable doubt of one's guilt, and only the jury is in a position\n>> to assess the evidence and render a verdict.\n> \n> Fine, but I'm still finding it hard to imagine what the \"reasonable doubt\"\n> was in this case.  I mean, the cops certainly seem to be beating someone\n> who's lying defenceless on the ground.  What's your explanation?  Mass\n> hallucination?  Orbital mind-control lasers?  Faked video footage?  Do tell.\n> \n\nOK.  It certainly seemed to me that there was excessive force involved.\nAnd frankly, the original \"not guilty\" verdict baffled me too.  But then\nI learned that the prosecution in the first case did not try to convict\non a charge of excessive force or simple assault which they probably\nwould have won, they tried to get a conviction on a charge of aggravated\nassault with intent to inflict serious bodily harm.  A charge, which\nnews commentators said, was akin to attempted murder under California\nlaw.  Based on what the prosecution was asking for, it's evident that \nthe first jury decided that the officers were \"not guilty\".  Note, \nnot \"not guilty\" of doing wrong, but \"not guilty\" of aggravated assault \nwith the *intent* of inflicting serious bodily harm.  The seeds of the \nprosecutions defeat were in their own overconfidence in obtaining a \nverdict such that they went for the most extreme charge they could.\n\nIf the facts as the news commentators presented them are true, then\nI feel the \"not guilty\" verdict was a reasonable one.\n\n> \n> mathew\n> [ \"Thou shalt not kill... unless thou hast a pretty good reason for killing,\n>    in which case thou shalt kill, and also kill anyone who gets in the way,\n>    as unfortunately it cannot be helped.\"\n>                                    -- Jim Brown Bible for Loving Christians ]\n\nThanks mathew, I like the quote.  Pretty funny actually.  (I'm a \nMonty Python fan, you know.  Kind of seems in that vein.)\n\nOf course, oversimplifying any moral argument can make it seem\ncontradictory.  But then, you know that already.  \n\nRegards,\n\nJim B.\nLoving Christian  :)\n\n","1630":"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Bay area media (Wings-Leafs coverage)\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 25\n\nIn <DREIER.93Apr19195132@durban.berkeley.edu> dreier@durban.berkeley.edu (Roland Dreier) writes:\n\n>The San Francisco Bay area media is reporting tonight that the Detroit\n>Red Wings beat the Toronto Maple Leafs 6-3.  Can someone who is not\n>part of the media conspiracy against the Leafs tell me how the game\n>really went (I am expecting a 4-0 win for the Leafs, shutout for\n>Potvin, hat trick for Andreychuk and a goal and 3 assists for\n>Gilmour).  If the Leafs really lost, how many penalties did whichever\n>biased ref was at the game have to call against the Leafs to let the\n>Red Wings win?\n\nAh yes.  California.  Did the San Francisco Bay area media report that\nJoe Montana is rumoured to be the leading candidate to replace fired\nSan Jose Sharks coach George Kingston?  Apparently Montana is not only\ncoveted for his winning attitude, but as a playing coach he will be\nexpected to quarterback the powerplay.\n\nGood thing those walls are so soft, eh Rollie?\n\n\n-- \n\ncordially, as always,                      maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n                                           \"So many morons...\nrm                                                   ...and so little time.\" \n","1631":"From: monack@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david n monack)\nSubject: Re: ESPN Tonight\nOrganization: University of Arizona - Tucson, Arizona\nLines: 17\n\nIn <1qkj1kINN3g1@master.cs.rose-hulman.edu> swartzjh@RoseVC.Rose-Hulman.Edu writes:\n\n>Has anyone heard what game ESPN is showing tonight.  They said they will\n>show whatever game means the most playoff-wise. I would assume this would\n>be the Blues-Tampa game or the Minnesota-Red Wings game...  Anyone heard for\n>sure???\n\n>\t\tJeff Swartz\n\nI heard it will be the Minnesota-Detroit game. Don't know the time\nthough.\n\nDave\n\n--\nDavid Monack        e-mail: monack@gas.uug.arizona.edu\n\"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another.\" H.L. Mencken\n","1632":"From: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray)\nSubject: Re: Fractals? what good are they?\nOrganization: Rockwell International\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nLines: 16\n\nIn regards to fractal commpression, I have seen 2 fractal compressed \"movies\".\nThey were both fairly impressive.  The first one was a 64 gray scale \"movie\" of\nCasablanca, it was 1.3MB and had 11 minutes of 13 fps video.  It was a little\ngrainy but not bad at all.  The second one I saw was only 3 minutes but it\nhad 8 bit color with 10fps and measured in at 1.2MB.\n\nI consider the fractal movies a practical thing to explore.  But unlike many \nother formats out there, you do end up losing resolution.  I don't know what\nkind of software\/hardware was used for creating the \"movies\" I saw but the guy\nthat showed them to me said it took 5-15 minutes per frame to generate.  But as\nI said above playback was 10 or more frames per second.  And how else could you\nput 11 minutes on one floppy disk?\n\ndavidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com\nMy opinions are my own except where they are shared by others in which case I \nwill probably change my mind.\n","1633":"From: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant)\nSubject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()?\nOrganization: USCACSC, Los Angeles\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: robert@cpuserver.acsc.com (Robert Grant)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cpuserver.acsc.com\n\nHi everyone,\n\nDoes anyone know a good way to adjust colourmaps on the\nfly (say during an animation) and prevent the current\nset of colours from flickering?\n\nThanks,\n\nRobert\nrobert@acsc.com\n\n","1634":"From: jcav@ellis.uchicago.edu (JohnC)\nSubject: your opinion of the LaserWriter Select 310?\nReply-To: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: The Royal Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things\nLines: 10\n\nThis model is one of the two low-cost laser printers that Apple just\nintroduced.  I'm thinking of getting one to use at home.  Have any of you\nhad any experience with this printer?   Does it have Level-2 PostScript?\nIf you've bought one, are you happy with it?\n\n-- \nJohn Cavallino                  |  EMail: jcav@midway.uchicago.edu\nUniversity of Chicago Hospitals |         John_Cavallino@uchfm.bsd.uchicago.edu\nOffice of Facilities Management | USMail: 5841 S. Maryland Ave, MC 0953\nB0 f++ w c+ g++ k+ s++ e h- p   |         Chicago, IL  60637\n","1635":"From: RYLV80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (William Mohrman)\nSubject: Re: Drinking and Riding\nOrganization: Motorola\nNntp-Posting-Host: waccvm.corp.mot.com\nLines: 43\n\n>\n> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after\n>you \"feel\" sober? What? Or should I just work with \"If I drink tonight, I\n>don't ride until tomorrow\"?\n\nThis thread brings back memorys of an expensive day in traffic court\na few years ago.  While I was waiting my turn to state my case and\nplea of why I was going 75 in a 55 in my cage, I had the opportunity\nto listen to some of the \"creative excuses\" offered the judge by others.\n\nAfter listening to a number of \"Well, I was passing a very slow truck\nthat suddenly speed up\" versions, I decided that the judge had heard\njust about every story in the book and then some.  He was less than\nimpressed with any of them.\n\nThis young, rather burley looking guy, had his docket read by a\nrather drill sargent looking Ohio State Highyway Patrol Trooper.\nHe was clocked riding a motorcycle at a speed of 110 mph in a 55 mph\nzone.  It was also noted that the defendant (motorcycle rider) had\nalcohol on his breath, but was not cited for this offence.\n\nThe judge looked over his half glasses purched on the end of his nose\nand said in his sternest voice: \"Well son, those are some pretty\nfast speeds to be riding a motorcycle.  What do you have to say for\nyour self?\"\n\n\"Well Sir\", meekly the defenant replied, \"I just was over to my\nbuddys and we had a couple of beers and I was on my way home.\"\nHe offered nothing more or less.  Just had a couple of beers and\nwas doing 110 mph on his way home.\n\nThe judge moved by the simplicity of the response, fined him the\nmaximum in this case (plus court costs of course) and ordered him\nto attend remedial drivers training school.\n\nIsn't America Great??\n\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------\nBill Mohrman                                         81-CB900C\nMotorola , SPS\nColumbus, OH\n------------------- Disclaimers Apply ------------------------------\n","1636":"From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich)\nSubject: Foreskin Troubles\nOrganization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford)\nLines: 3\n\nWhat can be done, short of circumcision, for an adult male\nwhose foreskin will not retract?\n\n","1637":"From: shenx@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (xiangxin shen  )\nSubject: Re: What is AT BUS CLK Speed?\nOrganization: University of Arizona, Tucson\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.160915.22866@debbie.cc.nctu.edu.tw> is81056@cc.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Shi Hwu) writes:\n>Robert Desonia (robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us) wrote:\n>\n>: S >There is one param in the bios setup that says AT BUS CLK.  I have\n>: S >it set to the default of 4, but was able to get it to work with 3.\n>: S >The SI at 3 was 142.something.  I didnt want to mess anything up\n>: S >so I set it back to 4.  Also, the PC didnt boot with it set at 2.\n>: S >\n>: S >What exactlt dows this do, and should I leave it at 4?\n>\n>I think it's impossible to let AT-Bus operated too much more than\n>8MHz.  I have a C & T Neat 286-20 mother board, And I set the AT-BUS\n>clock to 10 MHz, but the HD stopped when it boot.  So it's correct\n>that CLK\/n means how many wait states.\n>\n>   Sm. \n\nI think it all depends on your motherboard and the cards you have in your system.  Your HD stopped boot probably because your HD controller can't handle the faster BUS speed.  I have a 486-33DX, I set my bus divider to CLK\/2.5, that is close to 13MHz.  I can gain singificant performace increase on my Video card and harddisk transfer rate when I boost the bus speed.  And my system work flawlessly under this setting.  And you know what, when I go to CLK\/2(17MHz BUS), my HD refuse to boot.  \n\nJust my 2 cent.\n\nJim\n","1638":"From: jennise@opus.dgi.com (Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals)\nSubject: Looking for a little research help\nOrganization: Dynamic Graphics Inc.\nLines: 19\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: opus.dgi.com\n\n\nHi,\n  \n  I'm writing a science fiction script and I'm looking for some\nanswers to questions regarding the Moon and Earth. My starting point\nis an impossible situation.  [I checked with a professor at berkeley\nand his response was a VERY helpful \"can't happen\".] If you enjoy\nplaying with unusual ideas and are willing answer some questions\nplease contact me via e-mail (jennise@dgi.com).\n\n  I get extremely annoyed when screen and tele-plays ignore basic\nfacts about computers that I'm determined to be as scientifically\naccurate as I can.\n\n\n  Sorry for being vague, but I'd like to protect my idea as much as I\ncan until I'm ready to sell it (hopefully).\n\nJennise\n","1639":"From: robrick@erenj.com (Bob Brickman)\nSubject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's?\nNntp-Posting-Host: big-geek.erenj.com\nOrganization: ER&E, Clinton, NJ.  Opinions solely the author's, not the Company's.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1quod6$i3n@menudo.uh.edu>, sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu wrote:\n> \n> In article <1993Apr19.164734.24779@newsgate.sps.mot.com>  \n> rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com (rodney jacks) writes:\n> > I would really like to get one of the new CD300i CDROM\n> > drives for my c650, but my local Apple doesn't know \n> > when they will be available.  He doesn't even have a part\n> > number yet.   Does anyone know what the part number \n> > for this drive is and when it will be available?\n> > \n> > My Apple dealer suggested I buy one of the CD300 external\n> > drives, but I don't want to pay extra for a case\/power supply\n> > I'm not going to use.\n> > \n> > -Rodney Jacks\n> > (rjacks@austlcm.sps.mot.com)\n> \n\t\t\t  While there may not be a part number for the CD300i drive, I have seen\na part number for the bezel kit (a new front panel with the slot in it\nthrough which you insert the CD). The document (which I got from the\n2\/10\/93 announcement at our Apple office) states the drive kit and bezel\nkits are separate items and the bezel kit has an SRP of $149 fro the C650.\nThe external unit may be a better deal after all.\n\nBob Brickman       <robrick@erenj.com>\n  -- disclaimer: the preceding represent my personal opinions and do not\nreflect the opinions, policies, or practices of my employer\n","1640":"Subject: Re: Sparky Anderson Gets win #2000, Tigers beat A's\nFrom: tim@cs.cosc.georgetown.edu (Tim Snyder)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Georgetown University, Washington DC\nNntp-Posting-Host: cs.cosc.georgetown.edu\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <ragraca.734906386@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:\n>Tigers' manager Sparky Anderson gets his 2,000th career win as moments ago,\n>the Tigers completed a two game sweep over the Oakland A's at Tiger Stadium\n>by beating the A's 3-2. Here are the highlights:\n>\t\t\t\tR    H   E    \n>             Oakland\t\t2    9   0\n>\t     Detroit            3    7   1\n>\n> [game description deleted]\n>\n>In the post game interview (on WJR radio in Detroit), Sparky Anderson said\n>its one of the few times he's gotten emotional in his managing career.  It\n>was a big moment for him, and I'm sure all of us Tiger fans are unanimously\n>very happy for him.  And what a way to get number 2,000!.\n>\n> [woofing deleted]\n>--Randy\n>\n\nIn another post-game interview, LaRussa claimed that Sparky was \"the\nbest manager in basebal,\" explaining that to be part of the history\nof Sparky softened the blow of losing.\n\nGo Tigers!!!\n Tim\n\n Timothy Law Snyder\n Department of Computer Science\n Reiss 225\n Georgetown University\n Washington, DC 20057\n\ntim@normal.georgetown.edu\n","1641":"From: lewallen@cis.ohio-state.edu (stephen richard lewallen)\nSubject: ### 68040 25Mz FOR SALE : ABSOLUTELY NEVER USED ###\nOrganization: The Ohio State University - Computer Science\nLines: 14\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: gecko.cis.ohio-state.edu\n\n\nI have a new 25 MHz Motorola 68040 that I am willing to sell if I get\na good enough offer.  It is still in its static free sealed package.\n\nIf I don't get a good enough offer, I will use it to replace my 68LC040.\n\nAny takers?  \n\nSupposedly you can get one of these for $375.  However, at the moment the\ndemand is higher than the supply so I think $400 is a good round number.\nI will pay shipping, of course.\n\nAll offers should be send to lewallen@cis.ohio-state.edu\n\n","1642":"From: aaronc@athena.mit.edu (Aaron Bryce Cardenas)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 45\n\nnews@cbnewsk.att.com writes:\n>Arrogance is arrogance.  It is not the result of religion, it is the result\n>of people knowing or firmly believing in an idea and one's desire to show\n>others of one's rightness.  I assume that God decided to be judge for our\n>sake as much as his own, if we allow him who is kind and merciful be the \n>judge, we'll probably be better off than if others judged us or we judged \n>ourselves.               ^^^^^^ ^^^      ^^                     ^^ ^^^^^^\n ^^^^^^^^^\n1 Cor 11:31-32 \"But if we judged ourselves, we would not come under judgment. \nWhen we are judged by the ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ Lord, we are being discipled so\nthat we will not be condemned with the world.\"\n\n1 Cor 5:3 \"Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit.\nAnd I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were\npresent.\"          ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^\n\n1 Cor 2:15-16 \"The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he\nhimself is not     ^^^^^^^^^ subject to any man's      ^^^ judgement:  'For\nwho has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?'  But we have the\nmind of Christ.\"\n\nJude :14-15 \"Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men:  'See,\nthe Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge\neveryone, and to   ^^^^ convict all the ungodly of  ^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^ all\nthe ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words\nungodly sinners have spoken against him.'\"\n\nArrogance is a sin.  Although a desire to show others of one's rightness may\nbe a sign of arrogance in some cases,  it may be only a sign that they are\nfollowing the Bible in others:\n\nJude :22-23 \"Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and\nsave them; to others show mercy, mixed with  ^^^^^^ fear -- hating  ^^^^ even\n^^^^ the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.\"\n\n\n>If I find someone arrogant, I typically don't have anything to do with them.  \n\nI hope you don't find me arrogant, then.  This sounds like a bad practice --\nignoring what certain people say because you perceive them as arrogant.\n\nJames 1:19 \"My dear brothers, take note of this:  Everyone should be quick to\nlisten, slow to speak and slow to become angry,\"\n\n- Aaron\n","1643":"From: edm@twisto.compaq.com (Ed McCreary)\nSubject: Re: Victims of various 'Good Fight's\nIn-Reply-To: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au's message of 12 Apr 93 21: 36:33 +0930\nOrganization: Compaq Computer Corp\n\t<9454@tekig7.PEN.TEK.COM> <1993Apr12.213633.20143@levels.unisa.edu.au>\nLines: 12\n\n>>>>> On 12 Apr 93 21:36:33 +0930, 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat) said:\n\nTDB> 12. Disease introduced to Brazilian * oher S.Am. tribes: x million\n\nTo be fair, this was going to happen eventually.  Given time, the Americans\nwould have reached Europe on their own and the same thing would have \nhappened.  It was just a matter of who got together first.\n\n--\nEd McCreary                                               ,__o\nedm@twisto.compaq.com                                   _-\\_<, \n\"If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao.\"  (*)\/'(*)\n","1644":"From: Gary Keim <gk5g+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: X Toolkits\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <199304271930.AA07991@rebels.b23b.ingr.com>\n\nExcerpts from misc: 27-Apr-93 Re: X Toolkits Sivesh Pradhaan@rebels.b (423)\n\n> I do not have finger!!! So is there any other way of accessing this service \n> like mail server or telnet or ftp?\n\nYou can use telnet:\n\n% xhost +atk.itc.cmu.edu\n% telnet atk.itc.cmu.edu 79\nrun-demo\n","1645":"From: kbanaian@bernard.pitzer.claremont.edu (King Banaian)\nSubject: Re: Players Overpaid?\nLines: 40\nOrganization: Pitzer College\n\nTed Frank's list of underpaid players was this:\n>\n>p, Juan Guzman, 500\n>p, Mussina,\t400\n>p, Castillo,    250\n>p, Eldred,      175\n>p, Rhodes,\t155\n>p, Militello,   118\n>rp, Rojas,\t300\n>rp, Beck,\t250\n>rp, Melendez,   235\n>rp, Hernandez,\t185\n>rp, Nied,\t150\n>c, Rodriguez,\t275\n>c, Piazza,      126\n>1b, Thomas,\t900\n>1b, Bagwell,    655\n>2b, Knoblauch,\t500\n>2b, Barberie,\t190\n>3b, Gomez,\t312.5\n>3b, Palmer,\t250\n>ss, Listach,\t350\n>ss, Pena,\t170\n>lf, Gonzalez,\t525\n>cf, Lankford,\t290\n>rf, R.Sanders,\t275\n>of, Plantier,\t245\n\nWhat do all of these players have in common?  They do not qualify for \narbitration.  They were never free agents.\n\nIt's called the reserve clause.  Look it up.\n\nAnd a year from now we will whine about how several of these guys are way \noverpaid and getting outrageous raises in arb.  Humbug.\n\n--King \"Sparky\" Banaian\t\t\t\t|\"No taxes:  No new taxes,\nkbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu\t\t\t|no old taxes, we are taxed\nDept. of Economics, Pitzer College\t\t|enough.\" -- Rep. Alan Keyes\nLatest 1993 GDP forecast:  2.4%\t\t| (please run, Alan!)\n","1646":"From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)\nSubject: Books for sale cheap!!!\nNntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 28\n\n\nSOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!!  I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!\n\nJUST MAKE ME AN OFFER AND I WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT!!!!!\n\n* Calculus w\/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable! \n\n* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith. \n\n* The Holt Handbook by Kirszner & Mandell (copyright 1986) 720+ page writing guide. \n\n* Algebra & Trigonometry, A problem Solving Approach, 3rd edition by W. Flemming and D. Varberg.  Very good condition.\n\n* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth\n  edition.  Big Book! Very good condition!\n\n* Solutions manual for Chemistry book.  Paperback.\n\n* Study guide for Chemistry book.  Paperback.\n\n\nSend me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu\n\n\n\nSam\n02106@chopin.udel.edu\n\n","1647":"From: rcj2@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (ray.c.jender)\nSubject: Looking for a doctor\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nKeywords: San Francisco\nLines: 9\n\n\n\tI was kind of half watching Street Stories last night\n\tand one of the segments was about this doctor in\n\tS.F. who provides a service of investigating treatment\n\tfor various diseases. I'm pretty sure his name is\n\tDr. Mark Renniger (sp?) or close to that. \n\tDid anyone else watch this? I'd like to get his\n\tcorrect name and address\/phone number if possible.\n\tThanks.\n","1648":"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)\nSubject: Re: Riddle me this...\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems\nLines: 24\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com\n\nIn article 1r1lp1INN752@mojo.eng.umd.edu, chuck@eng.umd.edu (Chuck Harris - WA3UQV) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr20.050550.4660@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca> j979@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (FULLER  M) writes:\n>>Does a \"not harmful\" gassing mean that you can, with a little willpower,\n>>stay inside indefinitely without suffering any serious health problems?\n>>\n>>If so, why was CS often employed against tunnels in Vietnam?\n>>\n>>What IS the difference, anyway?\n>\n>CS \"tear-gas\" was used in Vietnam because it makes you wretch so hard that\n>your stomach comes out thru your throat.  Well, not quite that bad, but\n>you can't really do much to defend yourself while you are blowing cookies.\n>\n>Chuck Harris - WA3UQV\n>chuck@eng.umd.edu\n>\n\n\nInteresting... after several hours worth of exposure, do you still posess\nthe presence of mind to be able to determine how to escape from an inferno\nsurrounding you?  In other words, is it possible that the prolonged gassing\ndisoriented the wackos enough that possibility of escape was rendered\nquestionable?\n\n","1649":"From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)\nSubject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick\nOrganization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\n\t<C5HwKA.7AF@unix.portal.com>\n\t<Pegasus-150493132018@fp1-dialin-4.uoregon.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bailey.cpac.washington.edu\nIn-reply-to: Pegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu's message of 15 Apr 1993 20:26:04 GMT\n\n\nIn article <Pegasus-150493132018@fp1-dialin-4.uoregon.edu> \nPegasus@aaa.uoregon.edu (LaurieEWBrandt) writes:\n\n>    Lets add to those percentages 13-15% for the Orphaic docterians brought to\n>   the group by Paul\/Saul who was a high ranking initiate. On the development\n>   of Orphaic Mysteries, see Jane Harrisons .Prolegomena to the study of Greek\n>   religion. Cambridge U Press 1922. and you can easly draw your own\n>   conclusions.\n\nperhaps you can quote just a bit of her argument?\n\njosh\n\n","1650":"From: kohlhepp@cae.wisc.edu (Robert Kohlhepp)\nSubject: RasterOps 8XL\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 14\n\nI have a video board for sale for Macintosh NU-Bus machines.  My other deal fell through.  I am asking $200.\nRasterOps 8XL\n\n640x480\n800x600  <--- This was incorrectly posted as 832x624 before.\n640x870\n1024x768 (60hz & 75 hz)\n1152x870\n\nMake offers by mail.\n\n--\nRJ Kohlhepp\t\tNovell Systems Staff\nkohlhepp@cae.wisc.edu\tComputer Aided Engineering\n","1651":"From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)\nSubject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 122\n\nIn <C5JJrJ.EM3@cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:\n\n>Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career\n>DAs for the individual players in the reports.  Stats are courtesy of\n>Sherri Nichols.  Players are listed in descending order.\n\nAnd some comments, with some players deleted.\n\n>Third Basemen\n>-------------\n\n>Name                 1988  1989  1990  1991  1992   88-92\n>Mitchell, Kevin      .690  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.690\nYep, that Kevin Mitchell.  I never would have expected him in the\n#1 spot.\n\n>Gonzales, Rene       .685  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.685\nIt's no accident that the first two names are 1988 only.  As with first\nand second base, 1988 was the year of the glove.  Average DA was 20 points\nhigher in both leagues than any other year.\n\n>Leius, Scott         ----  ----  ----  .653  .680   0.672\nLooks good.  Too bad he's moving to short.\n\n>Pendleton, Terry     .692  .685  .631  .689  .634   0.667\nHighest five-year regular, though he's only had one year as good as Kevin\nMitchell :->.\n\n>Ventura, Robin       ----  ----  .641  .647  .677   0.657\n>Wallach, Tim         .728  .674  .600  .630  .665   0.657\n>Gruber, Kelly        .717  .657  .580  .630  .664   0.650\nThe other elite fielders in the league.\n\n>Pagliarulo, Mike     .631  ----  .575  .744  ----   0.649\nThis is an interesting line.  His 1988 figure was slightly below average.\nHis 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody.  Part of\nthat may be his mobility.  1988 was with the Yankees.  1990 was with the\nPadres, who appear to have a rotten infield.  1991 was with the Twins, and\njudging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play\nthird.\n\n>Williams, Matt       ----  ----  .633  .653  .656   0.647\nAdd another to the elite fielders list.\n\n>Caminiti, Ken        ----  .675  .630  .653  .596   0.642\n>Sabo, Chris          .751  .626  .616  .613  .575   0.642\nToo fielders whose career average may overstate their value.  I don't know\nwhat happened to Caminiti -- judging by the three previous years, his low\n1992 may be a fluke.  Sabo is merely average, however.  His incredible 1988\n(best year ever) brings his average up a lot.\n\n>Buechele, Steve      .647  .616  .647  .681  .599   0.635\nStrange last two years.\n\n>Schmidt, Mike        .628  ----  ----  ----  ----   0.628\nAccording to reputation, one of the best fielders ever at third base.\nBut at the end, he was below average.  (Average in 1988 was .643).\n\n>Boggs, Wade          .643  .659  .550  .653  .634   0.626\nBoggs has been pretty good.  I don't know what happened in 1990, but every\nother year he has been above average, usually by quite a bit.\n\n>Martinez, Egdar      ----  ----  .621  .645  .599   0.624\nLast year -- a fluke or a portent?\n\n>*NL Average*         .643  .625  .602  .623  .603   0.619\n>Seitzer, Kevin       .654  .583  .593  ----  .635   0.616\n>*AL Average*         .641  .612  .604  .620  .602   0.615\nWhy is it that the two leagues usually have defensive averages very close\nto one another, but very different from year to year?  Any ideas?\n\n>Jacoby, Brook        .624  .621  .600  ----  .597   0.613\nBrook  is declining.\n\n>Hansen, Dave         ----  ----  ----  ----  .611   0.611\n>Magadan, Dave        ----  ----  ----  ----  .609   0.609\n>Jefferies, Greg      ----  ----  ----  ----  .606   0.606\nThree first-time regulars, above average in 1992.  I'm not sure why Jefferies\ngets all the grief about his fielding.  He's never had a good year, but while\nat second he improved to become an average fielder, and is an average fielder\nat third.\n\n>Zeile, Todd          ----  ----  ----  .614  .593   0.605\nZeile, on the other hand, is a below average fielder.  Each year he's about\n10 points below average.  And it's probably not just the park, since Terry\nPendleton had excellent DAs in the three years before this.\n\n>Baerga, Carlos       ----  ----  ----  .604  ----   0.604\nMoving back to second was a good idea.\n\n>Hayes, Chris         ----  .601  .622  .606  .574   0.602\nSo why is Hayes supposed to be good defensively?  He's had a grand total\nof one year above the league DA, and was pretty bad last year.\n\n>Johnson, Howard      .628  .549  .611  .573  ----   0.588\n>Lansford, Carney     .620  .578  .594  ----  .550   0.587\nHoward Johnson and Carney Lansford -- separated at birth.  To his credit,\nHoJo did have one above average year (1990).  Lansford couldn't even break\nthe .600 mark without the help of the year of the glove.\n\n>Hollins, Dave        ----  ----  ----  ----  .577   0.577\nGood hitter, but his fielding needs work.\n\n>Sheffield, Gary      ----  ----  .584  ----  .567   0.575\nNot a good fielder.\n\n>Blauser, Jeff        ----  .573  ----  ----  ----   0.573\n>Fryman, Travis       ----  ----  ----  .571  ----   0.571\nBoth are better off at shortstop.\n\n>Gomez, Lee           ----  ----  ----  .551  .542   0.546\nTwo consecutive horrible years for Leo.  Camden Yards doesn't seem to\nhave helped his fielding any.  \n\n>Palmer, Dean         ----  ----  ----  ----  .520   0.520\nTexas slugger debuts with not only the lowest career DA, but the lowest\nDA at third ever.  Congratulations, Dean.\n-- \nDale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large\n\n  \"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not \n   overburdened with information\" -- J. Golden Kimball\n","1652":"From: thewho@athena.mit.edu (Derek A Fong)\nSubject: Re: When is Apple going to ship CD300i's?\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: alfredo.mit.edu\n\n\nInterestingly enough, the CDROM 300i that came with my Quadra 800 has \nonly 8 disks:\n\n1. System Install\n2. Kodak Photo CD sampler\n3. Alice to Ocean\n4. CDROM Titles\n5. Application Demos\n6. Mozart: Dissonant Quartet\n7. Nautilus\n8. Apple Chronicles\n\nHas anyone else noticed that they got less than everyone seems to be\ngetting with the external?  What I really feel I missed out on is what\nis supposed to a fantastic Games demo disk.\n\nI have heard that people have gotten up to 9-10 disks with their drive.\nI assume they get the 8 titles above plus Cinderella and the Games Demo CDROM.\n\nany comments and experiences?  Should I call Apple to complain? =)\n\nDerek\n\n\nthewho@plume.mit.edu\n","1653":"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)\nSubject: Detroit-Toronto?\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 10\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nWhat's the deal?  c.s.h. has nothing on it yet.  Is it in OT, is it over,\nwhat?  I want to know!  We all want to know!  Where's Roger when you need\nhim?!?!?!?!  :-)\n\n--\n    Keith Keller\t\t\t\tLET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!\n\t\t\t\t\t\tLET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!\n\tkkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu\t\tIVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!\n\n\t   \"A cow is not a vegetarian dish.\"  -- Keith Keller, 1993\n","1654":"From: rremaley@bcm.tmc.edu\nSubject: Re: $6700 for hail damage - a record?\nOrganization: Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Tx\nLines: 8\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 128.249.27.175\n\nI was in the great storm.....my Mazda MPV was damaged so bad they are \ngoing to replace the top, doors and hood. It is Black so they will repaint \nthe entire vehicle...estimated cost around $7000 and repair time approx. 3 \nto 4 weeks.\n\n\nrremaley@bcm.tmc.edu\n\n","1655":"From: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)\nSubject: Hey FLYERS Fans!\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.1pqvti$74p\nReply-To: mac18@po.CWRU.Edu (Michael A. Cornell)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc12.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nDid you ever notice how many people on the net have trouble in the\ncomparitively easy task of spelling the nick name of our fair city?  I\nnever knew that Philadelphia becomes Phillie or Philli when spoken of.  So\nfor all you who don't know yet here's a _little_ clue.\n\n\tIT IS SPELLED:       P H I L L Y\n\nOK...thank you.\n\nOh yeah, about that drug-induced trade rumor....I don't think the Sniders\nare that stupid...the rumor you should be looking into is Mike Keenan\ncoming back to coach the FLYERS.\n\nlater\n\nMike\n\n-- \nMike Cornell     | \"There are a great many people in the country today who,\nmac18@po.cwru.edu|  through no fault of their own, are sane.\" -Monty Python\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nLet's Go Flyers!  Stanley Cup in '94!  \"OH! My brain hurts!\"- Mr D. P. Gumby\n","1656":"From: wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl (Marcel Wijkstra (AIO))\nSubject: Re: BW hardcopy of colored window?\nKeywords: color hardcopy print\nNntp-Posting-Host: ic.fwi.uva.nl\nOrganization: FWI, University of Amsterdam\nLines: 38\n\nmars@ixos.de (Martin Stein) writes:\n\n#I use xwd\/xpr (from the X11R5 dist.) and various programs of the\n#ppm-tools to print hardcopies of colored X windows. My problem is,\n\nI don't like xpr. It gives (at least, the X11R4 version does) louzy\noutput: the hardcopy looks very grainy to me.\nInstead, I use pnmtops. This takes full advantage PostScript, and\nlets the printer do the dirty job of dithering a (graylevel)\nimage to black and white dots.\n\nSo: if you have a PostScript printer, try:\n\txwdtopnm <xwdfile> |\t# convert to PPM\n\t[ppmtopgm |]\t\t# .. to graylevel for smaller file to print\n\tpnmtops -noturn |\t# .. to PostScript\n\tlpr\t\t\t# print\n\npnmtops Has several neat options, but use them with care:\nIf you want your image to be 4\" wide, use:\n\tpnmtops -noturn -scale 100 -width 4\n-noturn Prevents the image from being rotated (if it is wider than it\n\tis high)\n-width 4 Specifies the PAPER width (not the image width - see below)\n-scale 100 Is used because if the image is small, it may fit within a\n\twidth less than 4\", and will thus be printed smaller than 4\" wide.\n\tIf you first scale it up a lot, it will certainly not fit in 4\", and\n\twill be scaled down by pnmtops automatically to fit the specified\n\tpaper width. \n\tIn short: pnmtops will scale an image down to fit the paper size,\n\tbut it will not blow it up automatically.\n\nHope this helps.\nMarcel.\n-- \n X\t   Marcel Wijkstra   AIO   (wijkstra@fwi.uva.nl)\n|X|\t     Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science\t\n X\t       University of Amsterdam   The Netherlands\n======Life stinks. Fortunately, I've got a cold.========\n","1657":"From: DAK988S@vma.smsu.edu\nSubject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?\nOrganization: SouthWest Mo State Univ\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vma.smsu.edu\nX-Newsreader: NNR\/VM S_1.3.2\n\nIn article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU>\ngt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:\n \n>\n>Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball.\n>brian, a very distressed cardinal fan.\n>--\n \nNo....Hal McRae is the worst manager in baseball.  I've never seen a guy who\ncan waste talent like he can.  One of the best raw-talent staffs in the league,\nand he's still finding a way to lose.  I'll be surprised if he makes it through\nthe next 2 weeks, unless drastic improvement is made.\n \nAn even more frustrated Royals fan,\nDarin J. Keener      dak988s@vma.smsu.edu\n","1658":"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 13\n\nI've just read Carol's response and I just had to get into this.  I've\ngot some verses which are not subject to interpretation because they say\nwhat they say.  They are 2 Peter 1:20-21, 2 Timothy 3:16-17, and\nGalatians 1:11-12.  \n\nAlso, based on the fact that Jesus is the Word incarnate and he judges\npeople if they follow him (see Acts 17:29-31 and John 5:21-27) and that\nthose who reject Jesus' teachings are judged by the very words he spoke\n(see John 12:47-50), then Jesus' words are true and do not need\ninterpretation, nor would it be just of God to judge based on his word\nif it had to be interpreted.\n\nJoe Fisher\n","1659":"From: dye@lachman.com (Ken R. Dye )\nSubject: Re: Feedback requested on lowering '66 Mustang\nNntp-Posting-Host: london.i88.isc.com\nOrganization: Lachman Technology, Inc., Naperville, IL\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <X3XZ2B2w165w@vllyoak.resun.com> jp@vllyoak.resun.com (Jeff Perry) writes:\n>I have found a kit advertised for lowering the front end of an early \n>mustang.  Installation envolves moving the upper A-arm and installation \n>of a wedge shaped spacer between the A-arm and ball joint.  Apparently, \n>Shelby Mustangs did a similair modification, but left out the spacer.\n>\n>I would be interested in feedback, pro or con, on such a modification.\n\n\tI'm no mustang head, but don't the early ones have a simple\nstrut suspension (that is, with no upper A-arm)?  Just a strut\ngoing down to a lower control arm (single bushing: not an A-arm), with a\ntension\/compression rod locating it in the forward\/backward direction?\n\n\tAnyway, simple strut suspensions like this can be lowered just by using\nshorter springs, cutting the springs, lowering the spring perch or shortening\nthe strut below the perch.  In each of these cases, the suspension geometry\nwill suffer because the lower control arms will not be at the\nintended angle.  A spacer placed between control arm and the bottom\nof the strut (roughly the height of the reduction) will restore\nthe suspension geometry.  IMHO, the kit that includes the spacer\nis the only way to go...\n\n--Ken\n-- \nKen R. Dye\t\t\t\tan optimist is a guy\t\t |\nLachman Technology, Inc., Chicago\tthat has never had\t\t | \n(708) 505-9555 x341\t\t\tmuch experience\t\t\t |\ndye@lachman.com\t\t\t\t\t\t\tarchy\t |\n","1660":"From: uni@acs.bu.edu (Shaen Bernhardt)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA\nLines: 103\n\nIn article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:\n>In article <tcmayC5M2xv.JEx@netcom.com>\n>\ttcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes:\n>>\n>>But is it any worse than the current unsecure system? It becomes much\n>>worse, of course, if the government then uses this \"Clinton Clipper\"\n>>to argue for restrictions on unapproved encryption. (This is the main\n>>concern of most of us, I think. The camel's nose in the tent, etc.)\n>>\n>\n>\tNot to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this\n>kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor\n>will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt\n>in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings.\n\nI wish I could agree with you.  Ask yourself this.  Why would any private\nsector entity wish to buy a crypto system that was KNOWN to be at least\npartially compromised? (Key escrows in this instance)  Why would any\nprivate sector entity wish to buy a crypto system that had not been properly\nevaluated?  (i.e. algorythm not publically released)\nThe answer seems obvious to me, they wouldn't.  There is other hardware out\nthere not compromised.  DES as an example (triple DES as a better one.)\n\nMy suspicion is that the prices will drop dramatically on these non clipper\nsystems.  If not we're in trouble.\n\nGiven that the Clinton administration is not entirely stupid (although we'd like\nto think so) I cannot believe that they have failed to realize this.\nThey know their initiative will fail, much as crippled DES was never taken\nseriously.  The only way their moves can work is by coercion.  You know\nlittle about politics if you don't realize that this is just a first step\nin the next move, it makes NO sense otherwise.  The next move, banning\nor SEVERLY crippling crypto not using the \"Clipper\" system is easily\njustified \"Why would anyone want other encryption unless they were trying\nto subvert the government?  We've provided you with a very secure alternative\nso use it or go to jail\/be fined\/whatever.\"\nHow can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of providing\nlaw enforcement with access to encrypted data without making the clipper system\nthe only crypto available in the U.S... ?  You simply can't, and the administration\nknows it.  Anyone who wanted to keep the govt. out of their hair, be it for\ndrug dealing or whatever, would just buy still available non-clipper systems.\n\nDon't sell our crafty Clinton types short, they can't be THAT stupid.\nEither banning non clipper crypto is the next answer or the administrations\ncollective I.Q. is about that of a potato.\n\nWhy do you think AT&T jumped on so fast?  They know it's going to be big,\nand NOT because it's better.  Right on the face of it, noone will buy the\nstuff that doesn't have to.  AT&T must know this too, THINK MAN, why the\nhell would they jump the gun?\n\n>\tMy interpretation.\n>\n>\tAndrew\n>\n>>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime\n>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>\n>\tIsn't this just a little melodramatic?\n\nI really wonder.\n\nTo wit:  The letter I just sent to Clinton:\n\nThe White House\nOffice of the Press Secretary c\/o:\nPresidential Comment Line (fax)\n(202) 456-2461\n \nApril 17, 1993\n \nSir and\/or Madam:\n \n \nI must object most strongly to the administrations evolving position on encryption and\ncryptography.  I am shocked at the Clinton regimes increasing lean towards a authoritarian approach with regard to privacy and freedom from government oversight in day to day life.\n \nIt is apparent to me that those who drafted the \"Clipper Chip Proposal\" (which is, incidentally, gaining notoriety as the \"Big Brother Proposal\") are either incredibly ignorant or very sly indeed.  Anyone knowledgeable in the nuances of cryptographic development and research must understand that a key step in the development of a new algorithm, especially one destined for standardization, is the full disclosure of the algorithm to the private and academic sectors.  The proper evaluation of an algorithm dep\n\n\n\n\n\nends on careful scrutiny by these sectors, and only such scrutiny can provide true public confidence in the security of the algorithm.  The assumption that a new algorithm will be accepted based on assurances from \"experts\" without full disclosure is plain ignorance.\n \nIn addition, the assumption that an algorithm will be marketable over other technology, such as DES, when it is characterized by key escrow is lunacy.  It seems an easy step in the logic chain that probable consumers will prefer to purchase equipment not crippled by government key escrow, no matter how \"tamper proof\" the key escrows might be.\n \nI cannot believe that even the least educated policy maker would have failed to realize these flaws.  I can only assume then that the drafters of the \"Clipper Chip Proposal\" knew very well the difficulties of selling a crippled system to the private sector.  The only way this proposal makes any sense, or has any chance of succeeding is in coercion.  Even the language of the proposal makes it painfully clear that the next logical step is the outlawing of other encryption devices and hardware that do not uti\n\n\n\n\n\nlize the \"Big Brother Chip.\"\n \nUnfortunately the public at large is not educated enough on the issue to realize what they are losing.  I expect the Big Brother proposal to encounter little resistance from the American people who you will have so efficiently duped once again with pretty words like \"harmony,\" \"right to encryption,\" and \"voluntary.\"\n \nIt mortifies me that the phrase that seems to be used more and more often to characterize the Clinton administration is \"I can't believe it's happening here.\"  More startling is a question a colleague of mine posed and the realization that everyday it becomes more and more relevant; \"When is the Reichstag fire planned for?\"\n \n \n\t\t\t\t\t\tMost Concerned,\n \n\t\t\t\t\t\t[Signature]\n\t\t\t\t\t\tShaen Logan Bernhardt I\nuni@acs.bu.edu\n\n-- \nuni@acs.bu.edu  ->  Public Keys by finger and\/or request\nPublic Key Archives at <pgp-public-keys@junkbox.cc.iastate.edu>\nDF610670F2467B99  97DE2B5C3749148C  Sovereignty is the sign of a brutal past.\nCryptography is not a crime.  Fight the Big Brother Proposal!\n","1661":"From: dlc@umcc.umcc.umich.edu (David Claytor)\nSubject: Re: Noisy SE: What can I do?\nOrganization: UMCC, Ann Arbor, MI\nLines: 27\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: umcc.umcc.umich.edu\n\nIn article <1qk2rjINN503@cae.cad.gatech.edu> vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox) writes:\n>There's this old SE here. It's got the older-style fans that remind\n>me of a house-ventilator. A cylindrical drum instead of the bladed rotor\n>I usually see. Anyway, the SE makes this loud buzzing noise due\n>to vibration somewheres. If I remove the screws and loosen the front\n>from the back, it quiets down. I can only assume that the fan housing\n>from this goofy thing is touching the back of the case and vibrating\n>against it. \n>\n>Anyway, any suggestions for where to get replacement fans and how to\n>\"stealth\" this guy? Your experiences welcome.....\n>\n>-- \n>\"If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect.\"\n>\t-BATF spokesperson on CNN 3\/2\/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.\n\n\nWhen I owned an SE, I replaced the fan with SE Silencer, available, I\nbelieve, from MacWarehouse or MacConnection.  It comes with instruction for\ninstallation and requires no soldering.  Worked like a charm.  I think the\nmanufacturer is Mobius.\n\n__Dave\n\n-- \n                           dlc@umcc.ais.org  313.485.3394\n\n","1662":"From: kristyn@netcom.com (Kristyn Geenwood)\nSubject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!\nOrganization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 32\n\n\nIn article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:\n>My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or\n>something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the\n>approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,\n>then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it\n>didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my\n>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to\n>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to\n>the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to\n>harm.\n>\n\n   Stuff deleted\n>\n>Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride\n>KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C\/S -King Rat                      |to Work to\n>DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to\n>ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .\n>\n>\n  I sure hope you got the cost of a replacement panel out of the owner. Here if\nthe owner should seem reluctant, a stop by the local SPCA (preferably with your\nfoot\/leg all swollen up) to file a viscious dog report would do the trick.\n\n-g.\n\n===========================================================================\nGlenn Schmall - astroid@armory.com   | Do not cross the oncoming lanes of \nR65 from hell - beaming to cafe near | death that are californias highways.\nyou! Yeah I got a DOD#, so what?     | -SJ Mercury News\n===========================================================================\n","1663":"From: kris@circ.upenn.edu (Kris Gupta)\nSubject: Re: NDW Norton Desktop for Windows\nReply-To: kris@circ.upenn.edu\nOrganization: Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: katsuru.circ.upenn.edu\n\nIn article 2773@leland.Stanford.EDU, shiva@leland.Stanford.EDU (Matt Jacobson) writes:\n...\n\n> I have taken it out of win.ini, but it still pops up running with windows.\n> I did a big search and found reference to it in ndw.ini, system.ini and\n> progman.ini.  Removing it here causes a failure when starting up windows\n> (progrman.ini has a \"group 7 = ...ndw.exe...\" which can't be deleted.)\n> \n> Is there anyone familiar with NDW who can tell me how to turn it off??\n> \n\nOne of the items in the group folder (typically called Norton Desktop Applications)\nis labelled \"Norton Desktop Uninstall\". Need I say more!\n\n---\nKris B. Gupta  - Cardiothoracic Imaging Research Center\nDept Radiology - Hospital of U of Pennsylvania\nInternet: kris@gynko.circ.upenn.edu\n\n\n","1664":"From: jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz (John Bickers)\nSubject: Re: HELP!!! GRASP\nOrganization: TAP\nLines: 19\n\nQuoted from <1993Apr20.125147.10665@genes.icgeb.trieste.it> by oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it (Jacques Oberto):\n\n> file, check in the 'graphics' directories under *grasp.  The problem \n> is that the .clp files you generate cannot be decoded by any of \n> the many pd format converters I have used. Any hint welcome!\n\n    The gl2p1.lzh stuff under gfx\/show on the Aminet sites includes a\n    utility called pic2hl, that is a filter for HamLab that can handle\n    the most commonly used kinds of .PIC and .CLP files.\n\n    The biggest problem is that the .CLP files don't usually contain a\n    palette, so you need to convert a .PIC with the right palette\n    first (which creates a \"ram:picpal\" file), and then convert the\n    .CLP files.\n\n> Jacques Oberto  <oberto@genes.icgeb.trieste.it>\n--\n*** John Bickers, TAP.                   jbickers@templar.actrix.gen.nz ***\n***    \"Radioactivity - It's in the air, for you and me\" - Kraftwerk    ***\n","1665":"From: aa429@freenet.carleton.ca (Terry Ford)\nSubject: A flawed propulsion system: Space Shuttle\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 13\n\n\n\nFor an essay, I am writing about the space shuttle and a need for a better\npropulsion system.  Through research, I have found that it is rather clumsy \n(i.e. all the checks\/tests before launch), the safety hazards (\"sitting\non a hydrogen bomb\"), etc..  If you have any beefs about the current\nspace shuttle program Re: propulsion, please send me your ideas.\n\nThanks a lot.\n\n--\nTerry Ford [aa429@freenet.carleton.ca]\nNepean, Ontario, Canada.\n","1666":"From: Mark W. Dubin\nSubject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk\nOriginator: dubin@spot.Colorado.EDU\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nReply-To: dubin@spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: Univ. of Colorado-Boulder\nLines: 16\n\nrsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:\n\n\n>Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks \n>associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens \n>are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function \n>of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of \n>the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish \n>to know more. Thanks. \n\nI recall that the issue is that fat on the meat liquifies and then\ndrips down onto the hot elements--whatever they are--that the extreme\nheat then catalyzes something in the fat into one or more\ncarcinogens which then are carried back up onto the meat in the smoke.\n\n--the ol' professor\n","1667":"From: eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (Eric J. Hansen)\nSubject: Preamp and CD player forsale in MA\nArticle-I.D.: cheever.eric-060493114735\nOrganization: Center for Clinical Computing - Boston, MA.\nLines: 28\n\nForsale:\n\nProton P1100 preamplifier\n========================= About 3.5 years old, originally $299, asking $150\nor best offer.  Has inputs for tape 1, tape 2, CD, phono, video and tuner.\nSeparate listen and record selectors.  Bass EQ, subharmonic filter and mono\nswitch.  High quality volume potentiometer.  In excellent condition, with\noriginal boxes and manual.\n\nSony D-88 portable Diskman\n========================== This is the one designed to play the mini CD's.\nYou can play normal size CDs, but the disk sticks out the side.  Works\nwell,\nbut may skip occasionally - it should be tuned up (heads aligned, cleaned,\netc.)  In excellent condition.  It has not been used all that much.  With\ncarrying case.  Original list was (I think) $300, but I'll take $80 or best\noffer.  It would be good for an office or just to sit on your desk.\n\nPlease email me <eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu> or telephone at\n(617) 278-0068.\n\nEric\n\n*---------------------------------------------------------------------*\n| Eric J. Hansen .................... eric@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu |\n| Center for Clinical Computing .......... Boston, MA  (617) 732-5925 |\n| .... DOS\/Mac programming, Ultrix administration, general chaos .... |\n*---------------------------------------------------------------------*\n","1668":"From: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (Scott Aaron)\nSubject: Re: iterations of the bible\nReply-To: aaron@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 24\n\nOFM replies to a question on the multiplicity of translations of the bible,\n\n>As far as I know, no Christians\n>believe that the process of copying manuscripts or the process of\n>translating is free of error.  \n\nUnfortunately, this isn't true.  On another news group earlier this year,\nsomeone posted that the King James Bible was the divinely inspired version\nof the Bible in English and was, therefore, inerrant; all other English\ntranslations were from Satan, trying to deceive the body of Christ.  A\nfew years ago, the pastor of a church I was attending showed me a poster\nadvertising the availability of a certain man to address congregations.\nVery prominantly on the poster was the fact that the man used only the KJV.\nThe idea that the KJV is THE English Bible is more prevalent than many\nmight think.\n\n  -- Scott at Brandeis\n\n\t\"But God demonstrates His     \"The Lord bless you, and keep you;\n\t own love for us, in that      the Lord make His face shine on you,\n\t while we were yet sinners,    and be gracious to you;\n\t Christ died for us.\"\t       the Lord lift up His countenance on you,\n\t\t\t\t       and give you peace.\"\n\t\t-- Romans 5:8 [NASB]\t\t-- Numbers 6:24-26 [NASB]\n","1669":"From: shantanu@risc.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly)\nSubject: Re: Are BMW's worth the price?\nOrganization: Motorola, Inc. -- Austin,TX\nLines: 86\nNNTP-Posting-Host: daffy.sps.mot.com\n\nIn article <9866@ceylon.gte.com> hhd0@harvey.gte.com (Horace Dediu) writes:\n>In article <1pvjlnINNckf@daffy.sps.mot.com>, shantanu@risc.sps.mot.com (Shantanu Ganguly) writes:\n\n>|> \n>|> Some comments:\n>|> \n>|> a) Good performance and mid and high speeds can be obtained by adjusting the\n>|>    top gear and final drive ratios. Contrary to popular misperception, a \n>|>    number of Japanese cars have quite good performance from 70+ in top\n>|>    gear. \n>\n>No problem with that.  The question is:  do they perform consistently in all\n>conditions (roads, winds and curves) at that speed and do so for hours on end, \n>year after year without giving the driver white knuckles?  From my experience on \n>the Autobahns\/Autostrade, a good touring car can be easily distinguished by its \n>\"poise\" at >100mph.  The best stay on cruise control at 155 for hours.  I've\n>seen the typical boy racer in a Fiat try to keep up.  Sure they hit the century\n>mark, but if the wind blows the wrong way they change lanes, and if on an\n>overpass, they may fly right into a guardrail.  The buffeting at 125 can be\n>severe enough to  make the hood bend.  Tires at 155 can melt, and a pothole can\n>kill.  Many German cars are designed for this environment, even if they can't\n>seem to get out of their own way from a stop light (Mercedes come to mind in\n>particular.)  And another design point is fuel economy at those speeds.  The\n>Germans gear the car for very good high speed efficiency (a typical M-B 300E turns\n>1500 at 55, almost a stall :-)\n\nGood point. I have no idea how either of my Hondas will handle at 100+ mph,\nnor do they reach 155. However, using `high' to be 70-90 mph:\n\na) They are quite amenable to long high speed drives. I've done several\n1k mile+ trips in my Civic with no problems whatsoever. The last big trip\nI made was driving from New York to Texas. I remember driving 700-800\nmiles a day at typically 75-85 mph  without any problems. I'm sure I  \nwould have been more comfortable driving a benz, but no white knuckles.\nNo problems with winds and curves. \n\nThen there was the trip back from New Orleans after Mardi Gras - where\nwe were doing 80+ all the way to Houston. No problems.\n\nb) Both my cars have surprising good fuel economy at high speeds. I see\nno difference between sustained 60 mph and sustained 80mph. On the trip\nback from New Orleans, we got about 30 mpg in my Integra, quite ok. Mind\nyou, the engine revs to almost 4k at 80. The civic is markedly better\nthan the Integra in fuel economy. 50k miles down the road, I still\nget 35 mpg at 70-75 mph driving.\n\n\n>|> b) I can't understand why these high-scale European marquees are afraid\n>|>    to design engines that can be repeatedly revved to near redline in\n>|>    the low gears. I have been doing that for that last 50k miles with\n>|>    my lowly Civic, with no detriment to either the engine or the clutch,\n>|>    and getting excellent mpg to boot. I'd call this an engineering hack\n>|>    to cover up design deficiencies.\n>\n>At 50k miles you'd still be breaking-in a \"high-scale European marquee\"  They \n>typically are designed to last 300,000 miles per engine, 500,000 mi. per\n>chassis. (The record is now over 1,500,000 miles on a Benz diesel, and I've\n>read about *transmissions* lasting 700,000 miles.)  Speaking of\n\nNow now, you can't compare a diesel with a gasoline engine. I see enough\nbmws and gasoline mercs for sale that have 100-150k miles on them and advertise \nrebuilt engines. If honda was to build an accord for 30k, I'd darn well\nexpect the sucker to last 300k miles.\n\n>diesels, they have very good efficiency at the cost of acceleration, and are very\n>popular in all European cars (diesel is considered the \"green\" fuel) from the\n>smallest econoboxes to the luxo-barges.  Again, we see a difference in mentality.\n>Diesels in the US are considered slightly worse than useless, and extremely\n>\"dirty\" to boot so you can't give them away.\n\nEver got caught behind a early 80's 300SDL at a stop light? It's not\npleasant. The newer MB's are a lot better though. The diesel Volvos\nand VWs are probably the smelliest offenders.\n\nAs for economy, why should we care? Gas is cheap! I personally wouldn't\nbuy a diesel car for any reason - what does it buy me?\n\nShantanu Ganguly\nSomerset (Motorola)\n\nphone : (512) 795-7146                  Motorola Inc, Mail Drop OE 513\nfax   : (512) 795-7513                  6501 William Cannon Drive W.\n                                        Austin TX 78735-8598\nemail : shantanu%ibmoto.com@oakhill.sps.mot.com\n\n\n","1670":"From: hayesj@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (HAYES JAMES MICHAEL JR)\nSubject: Windows Disk Drive Test availabel?\nNntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 28\n\n\n\n\nIs their a pd\/freeware hard drive utility that can handle\na compressed IDE drive without screwwing it up?\n\nNeed to document occasional failures in reading\/writing,\ncheck overall integrity of disk's hardware and sectors.\n\nI believe that all of my problems with DOS\/Windows can\nbe isolated to my drive.  Getting occasional corrupted\nfiles, even with smartdrive, 32 bit access turned off.\nHad these problems under DOS 5.  Only with drive C.\nDrive D may have had one failure, but that file was\nunder the control of Win\/Winword on drive C.\n\nAll utilities available to me report no problems.\nDOS, NDD (NU4.5).  Another symptom, SD took forever\non C, and kicked me out with a suspension till NDD run\n6 to 8 times.\n\nThanks.\n\n-- \n  Mike Hayes             |\"Knowledge is good.\"  - Faber College Motto\n  WWW                    |\"Knowledge and Thoroughness\" -Rensselear Poly Motto\n  Unemployed Tech,       |\"No, thank YOU!\"  -Groucho Marx, 'A Day at the Races'\n  Driven to banging my head against engineering physics for 4 years.\n","1671":"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore)\nSubject: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring..\nKeywords: outlet\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1qkm8iINN92t\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 34\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <1qids1INNebl@chnews.intel.com> crichmon@sedona.intel.com (Chris Richmond) writes:\n>\n>In article <1993Apr14.193122.20818@mprgate.mpr.ca>, vanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes:\n>> In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>, crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) writes:\n\n>> |> I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and\n>> |> I need a little advice on outlet wiring.  Several outlets\n>> |> are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground.  Naturally,\n>> |> the wire feeding these outlets is 12\/2, WITHOUT the ground\n>> |> wire.  I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the\n>> |> 12\/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground\n>> |> wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire.\n\n>> This is contrary to the electrical code and should be fixed.\n\n>Well, my house was built just last year, and the breaker box is wired the\n>same way.  \n\n\tThere SHOULD be a connection of the GROUND wire to a ground\nin the breaker box.  There also should be a connection of the NEUTRAL\nwire to a ground in the breaker box.  There should be no other \nplace in the building where such a connection occurs (i.e. not in\nany of the outlet boxes).\n\n\tThe NEUTRAL (white) wire is a 'grounding conductor' for\nthe plug, and is NOT safe to touch, while the GROUND (green)\nwire is a 'protective ground' and carries no current unless\nsome kind of electrical fault has occurred.  It's safe\nto touch the protective ground, but not to touch the \ngrounding conductor (because there is current in the grounding\nconductor, its outlet-box end will not be at the same ground\npotential as its breaker-box end).\n\n\tJohn Whitmore\n","1672":"From: scott@uniwa.uwa.edu.au (Scott Shalkowski)\nSubject: Re: Doing the work of God??!!)\nOrganization: The University of Western Australia\nLines: 31\n\nDesiree Bradley (Desiree_Bradley@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:\n\n<. . ..\n\n: The next Sunday, the sermon was about Joshua 6 (where the Israelites\n: take Jericho and then proceed to massacre everybody there --- except\n: for Rahab, who had sheltered the spies).  With those reports about\n: Bosnia in my mind, I felt uncomfortable about the minister saying that\n: the massacre (the one in Joshua) was right.  But what really bothered\n: me was that, if I was going to try taking Christianity seriously, I\n: shouldn't be so troubled about the reports of \"ethnic cleansing\" in\n: Bosnia.  Certainly, my sympathies shouldn't be with the Moslims.\n: Considering that the Bosnian Muslims are descendants of Christians\n: who, under Turkish rule, converted to Islam could the Serbs be doing\n: God's work?\n\nPerhaps it would be useful to ask whether those doing the ethnic\ncleansing could be said to be loving those they are killing in the very\nact of killing.  Does it reflect the attitude of God, who sends rain to\nboth the just and the unjust?  If not, then Christians should be\nuncomfortable with it.  Jesus gave his followers the law of love to\nfollow and it is by exhibiting this that disciples will be known. \nDoctrinal (or political) correctness is not the standard, so I don't see\nwhy Christians should be moved against the Serbs because their ancestors\nconverted from Christianity to Islam.  It seems to me that as a\nChristian you _should_ be troubled by the ethnic cleansing.\n--\n\n\nPeace,\nScott Shalkowski                            scott@arts.uwa.edu.au\n","1673":"From: ccraig@nmt.edu (Catherine Craig)\nSubject: Re: Trying to view POV files.....\nOrganization: New Mexico Tech\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr11.132604.13400@ornl.gov> ednobles@sacam.OREN.ORTN.EDU (Edward d Nobles) writes:\n>\n>I've been trying to view .tga files created in POVRAY.  I have the Diamond\n>SpeedStar 24 Video board (not the _24X_).  So far I can convert them to\n>jpeg using cjpeg and view them with CVIEW but that only displays 8 bit color.\n>\n>I'm looking for some way to convert and\/or view them in 24 bit.\n>\n>\n>Just want to see the darn things in real color...\n>\n>Thanks,\n>\n>Jim Nobles\n>\n\nThe best program I've seen for viewing such files is VPIC.  You'll want version 5.9 or later.  (6.0x is current.)  It allows you to view in 15 and 24 bit modes.  It really is QUITE nice.\n\nNow, for a return question:  Do you run Windows?  If so, what are the dates on your drivers?  The newest ones *I* can find are from around 4-??-92!!  My problem is they conflict with Star Trek: After Dark, and other things as well.  I'm willing to bet that it's the drivers, and NOT the programs.  Anyone out there have info on newer SS24 (NOT X) drivers for windows or OS\/2?\n\nThanks,\n\tJustin\n\n","1674":"From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\nSubject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)\nOrganization: BC Systems Corporation\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes:\n> In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>\n> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:\n> % By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550,\n> Why was the \"Zephyr\" discontinued?  I heard something about a problem with\n> the name, but I never did hear anything certain... \n\nI don't think the 550 sold very well - most North Americans who ride a standard\nrather than a sport bike usually want something bigger. People walk into the\ndealership, look at the 550 and the 750 and say, \"I might as well spring the\nextra bucks for the bigger engine.\"\n-- \nBruce Clarke       B.C. Environment\n                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\n","1675":"From: mrb@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (m..bruncati)\nSubject: Re: Smoker's Lungs\nArticle-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr6.161858.12132\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.123315.48837@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, bennett@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:\n> How long does it take a smoker's lungs to clear of the tar after quitting? \n> Does your chances of getting lung cancer decrease quickly or does it take\n> a considerable amount of time for that to happen?\n\n\n\nSeems to me that I read in either a recent NY Times\nScience Times or maybe it was Science News that there is\nevidence that ex-smoker's risk of lung cancer never returns\nto that of a person who has never smoked (I think it may\nget close).  I'll find the article and post it since my\nmemory is hazy on the specifics - if you are interested.\n\nMichael\n","1676":"From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)\nSubject: Why the algorithm is secret\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma\nLines: 15\n\n\nMy thoughts on why the algorithm is secret :\n\n   The chip is (regretably) likely to become a standard.   There will\n   be many applications where economic factors dictate use of this\n   chip, like it or not.\n\n   If the alrogithm is public, and the code is as secure (absent the \n   access to escrowed keys) as represented, an enterprising sort \n   would make \"compatible crypto chips for which no key had been\n   escrowed\".  This is likely what the release was refering to when \n   they refered to the secrecy of the algorithm protecting the\n   security of the escrow system.\n\n                                        rob boudrie\n","1677":"From: donyee@athena.mit.edu (Donald Yee)\nSubject: Re: Tape Backup Question\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.195810.26648@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> jerry@msi.com (Jerry Shekhel) writes:\n>Hello folks!\n>\n>I have an Archive XL5580 (internal QIC-80) tape drive, which is pretty\n>comparable to the Colorado Jumbo 250.  Since I have two floppy drives in\n>my system, I'm using a small card (not accelerated) made by Archive to \n>attach my tape drive as a third floppy device.\n>\n>The problem: Although the DOS-based QICstream software works just fine,\n>both the Norton and Central Point backup programs for Windows fail unless\n>I switch the machine to non-turbo speed (I'm using a 486DX\/33 EISA).  Since\n>the DOS software works, it can't be a hardware problem, can it?  Has anyone\n>seen similar problems?  Any solutions?  Thanks in advance.\n\nYeah.  Sounds typical.  Windows makes all sorts of extra demands on hardware,\nand therefore your machine can't keep up with things.  Ever notice how when\nacessing the floppies in Windows, everything else slows to a crawl?  I \nimagine your backup and evertyhing else that is running fights for CPU time,\nand sometimes the backup program loses.  Be glad.  I can't even run in \nmedium speed with CP backup on my machine, supposedly because I have a SCSI\nmachine which places extra demands on the data bus.\n\ndon\n\n","1678":"Subject: Conner CP30061G info, please\nFrom: michael@pcmith.rks.se (Michael Thurbin)\nOrganization: Sommarvagen 1, S-352 37 Vaxjoe, SWEDEN\nLines: 14\n\nI have a Conner-disk model CP30061G (200Mb ??) with no info at all. The only thing I know is that\nis normally used with Compaq-machines.\nPlease, send me information on switch-settings, geometry and so on.\nIt looks like a normal IDE-disk but is it possible to use it with a standard IDE-controller??\n\n-- Michael\n\n-- \n**************************************************************************************************\nMichael Thurbin\nSommarvagen 1\t\tPhone: +46 (0)47021340\nS-352 37 Vaxjoe\t\tFax:   +46 (0)47048978\nSWEDEN\n**************************************************************************************************\n","1679":"Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !\nFrom: steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu (Jason 'Think!' Steiner)\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 25\n\nMarc Thibault (marc@tanda.isis.org) writes:\n> (The Jester) writes: \n\n> > Proof Windows is a Virus:It is very widespread, It eats up your disk\n> > space, It slows down your computer, It takes control over your\n> > computer, It performs disk access at random times, It displays silly\n> > messages on your screen, It randomly crashes the computer-Vesselin\n\n>         This sounds like a version Unix. Solaris?\n\nas someone who just lived through a switch from SunOS4.x.x. to\nSolaris, i'll heartily agree with this. \n\nObCrypt: one of my main gripes with Solaris is its braindead mailx,\nwhich is -almost- enough like mail to get you hoping, but crashes\nhorribly when you try to do anything useful with it. (like use pgp-\ncapable sendmail replacements.)\n\njason\n\n--\n   \"I stood up on my van. I yelled, `Excuse me, sir. Ain't nothing wrong\n    with this country that a few plastic explosives won't cure!'\"\n              - Steve Taylor, I Blew Up the Clinic Real Good\n`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,`,` steiner@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu `,`,`,`\n","1680":"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)\nSubject: Re: Why DC-1 will be the way of the future.\nOrganization: Texas Instruments Inc\nLines: 22\n\nIn <1r6ub0$mgl@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr22.164801.7530@julian.uwo.ca> jdnicoll@prism.ccs.uwo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes:\n>>\tHmmm. I seem to recall that the attraction of solid state record-\n>>players and radios in the 1960s wasn't better performance but lower\n>>per-unit cost than vacuum-tube systems.\n>>\n\n\n>I don't think so at first,  but solid state offered  better reliabity,\n>id bet,  and any lower costs would be only after the processes really scaled up.\n\nCareful.  Making statements about how solid state is (generally) more\nreliable than analog will get you a nasty follow-up from Tommy Mac or\nPat.  Wait a minute; you *are* Pat.  Pleased to see that you're not\nsuffering from the bugaboos of a small mind.  ;-)\n\n-- \n\"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live\n in the real world.\"   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.\n","1681":"From: steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson)\nSubject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nDistribution: na\nLines: 38\n\nIn <C5HpG6.4LM@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:\n\n>kime@mongoose.torolab.ibm.com (Edward Kim) writes:\n[...]\n>> \n>> I would tend to call the offensive contributions even, but Alomar wins hands\n>> down in defensive capabilities.  I'm not just talking about the number of \n>> errors; nobody (including Lind!) has the range and athleticism at second base.\n>> I can't recall in the recent past anyone turning the double play better\n>> than Alomar.  \n\n>Well, why don't you look up those stats?  Baerga may not be the best defensive\n>second baseman in the league, but he's damn good.  Check the stats for DPs\n>last year and see for yourself.\n\nAccording to the Defensive Average stats posted by Sherri, Baerga had the\nhighest percentage of DPs turned in the league, while Alomar had the worst.\nHowever, Alomar had a higher Defensive Average.  So who would be better?\n\nUsing Alomar's opportunities (469 groundballs, 73 possible double plays)\nAlomar had 332 groundouts and turned 18 DPs.\nBaerga would have had (with same DA & DP%) 328 groundouts and 35 DPs.\n\nUsing Baerga's opportunites (545 groundballs, 99 possible double plays).\nAlomar would have had (with the same DA & DP%) 386 groundouts and 25 DPs.\nBaerga had 381 groundouts and 47 DPs.\n\nBaerga looks better, though it's possible his DP% would be lower with a \ndifferent SS.\n\nWill Baerga consistently turn twice as many double plays, however?  Alomar\nhas established a high level of defense, Baerga has not.  I would bet on\nAlomar to be better next year, but last year Baerga was just as good overall.\n-- \nDale J. Stephenson |*| (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) |*| Grad Student At Large\n\n  \"It is considered good to look wise, especially when not \n   overburdened with information\" -- J. Golden Kimball\n","1682":"From: sfp@lemur.cit.cornell.edu (Sheila Patterson)\nSubject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait\nOrganization: Cornell University CIT\nLines: 10\n\n\n         \nHooray ! I always suspected that I was human too :-)  It is the desire to be like\nChrist that often causes christians to be very critical of themselves and other\nchristians. We are supposed to grow, mature, endeavour to be Christ-like but we\nare far far far from perfect. Build up the body of Christ, don't tear it down,\nand that includes yourself. Jesus loves me just the way I am today, tomorrow and\nalways (thank God ! :-).\n\n-Sheila Patterson\n","1683":"From: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra)\nSubject: Re: In memoriam: Dan Kelly and Danny Gallivan\nNntp-Posting-Host: stpl.ists.ca\nOrganization: Solar Terresterial Physics Laboratory, ISTS\nDistribution: na\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <burke.1-290393150052@burkemac.oshag.nd.edu> burke.1@nd.edu (R. P. Burke) writes:\n>When talking about hockey broadcasters, let's give a moment of silence to\n>remember the St. Louis Blues' great, Dan Kelly. (Many of you may have heard\n>him in the late 60s and early 70s on CBS.) He used to do Hockey Night In\n>Canada intermissions, with another recently deceased great, Danny Gallivan\n>of the Canadiens.\n\nAgreed here...I'll never forget Dan Kelly calling the play-by-play in the '87\nCanada Cup.  He was masterful!\n\nAnd Danny Gallivan will _never_ be replaced; even now when I watch HNIC I\nremember his voice...when I see an Al MacInnis or Al Iafrate (hey, what's with\nthese guys named Al who can shoot??) shot from the point I still think\n\"blistering blast\"...THN had a tribute to Gallivan in the issue following his\ndeath; in the story they included a quote from one of the games he did.  It\nwent: \n\n\"It appears Risebrough has pugnaciously construed that check,\" he said, \"and \nwill undoubtedly make a visitation to the box of punition.\"\n\nClassic, vintage Gallivan!  He's sorely missed.  So here's to two of the best\nthere was and best that ever will be.\n\n\ndchhabra@stpl.ists.ca\n\n\n","1684":"From: phil@csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)\nSubject: Duo Dock problems\nOrganization: Computer Science, Liverpool University\nLines: 23\nNntp-Posting-Host: ama.csc.liv.ac.uk\n\nHas anyone had any problems with their Duo Dock not ejecting the Duo\nproperly?\n\nWhen I first got it, the Duo would come out of the Dock a couple of inches\nwhen ejected, and I had to pull it the rest of the way. Nowadays (and I've\nhad the system for 4 months), the Duo doesn't come out *at* *all* - despite\nthe fact that the mechanism makes all the appropriate noises, and I have to\ngrab hold of it and pull it out myself. Is there a simple fix for this, or\ndo I have to return it to my Apple Dealer, where it will languish for weeks\nwhile I have to make do with no colour display, no VRAM, no floppy or\nSCSI etc. \n\n(BTW, it's not that the Duo is locked into the Dock - it just doesn't\nwant to slide out any more).\n\n\n-- \nPhil Jimmieson,           ***********************************************\nComputer Science Dept.,   * JANET    : phil@uk.ac.liv.csc               *\nLiverpool University,     * INTERNET : phil@csc.liv.ac.uk               *\nPO Box 147                ***********************************************\nLiverpool  L69  3BX      \"I was head over heels in love until I got cramp\"\n(UK) 051-794-3689          \n","1685":"From: cerulean@access.digex.com (Bill Christens-Barry)\nSubject: cytoskeleton dynamics\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\nSummary: Fast dynamics of cytoskeleton re: transformed cells?\nKeywords: cytoskeleton, microtubule, tubulin\n\nI'm looking for good background and review paper references that can help me\nunderstand the dynamics of cytoskeleton in normal and transformed cells.  In\nparticular, I'm not interested in translational behavior and cell motility,\nbut rather in the internal motions of the cytoskeleton and its components\nunder normal and transformed circumstances.\n\nAlso, I'd appreciate any data on force constants, mechanical, and elastic\nproperties of microtubules, and viscous properties of cytoplasm.  Any other\ninfo relevant to the vibrational or acoustical properties of these would\nbe useful to me.\n\nThanks...\n\nBill Christens-Barry\ncerulean@access.digex.com\n\n","1686":"From: revans@euclid.ucsd.edu (   )\nSubject: Himmler's speech on the extirpation of the Jewish race\nLines: 42\nNntp-Posting-Host: euclid.ucsd.edu\n\n\n WASHINGTON - A stark reminder of the Holocaust--a speech by Nazi \nSS leader Heinrich Himmler that refers to \"the extermination of the\nJewish race\"--went on display Friday at the National Archives.\n\tThe documents, including handwritten notes by Himmler, are\namong the best evidence that exists to rebut claims that the\nHolocaust is a myth, archivists say.\n\t\"The notes give them their authenticity,\" said Robert Wolfe,\na supervisory archivist for captured German records.  \"He was\nsupposed to destroy them.  Like a lot of bosses, he didn't obey his\nown rules.\"\n\tThe documents, moved out of Berlin to what Himmler hoped\nwould be a safe hiding place, were recovered by Allied forces after\nWorld War II from a salt mine near Salzburg, Austria.\n\tHimmler spoke on Oct.4, 1943, in Posen, Poland, to more than\n100 German secret police generals.  \"I also want to talk to you,\nquite frankly, on a very grave matter.  Among ourselves it should be\nmentioned quite frankly, and yet we will never speak of it publicly.\nI mean the clearing out of the Jew, the extermination of the Jewish\nrace.  This is a page of GLORY in our history which has never been\nwritten and is never to be written.\"  [Emphasis mine--rje]\n\tThe German word Himmler uses that is translated as\n\"extermination\" is *Ausrottung*.\n\tWolfe said a more precise translation would be \"extirpation\"\nor \"tearing up by the roots.\"\n\tIn his handwritten notes, Himmler used a euphemism,\n\"Judenevakuierung\" or \"evacuation of the Jews.\"  But archives\nofficials said \"extermination\" is the word he actually\nspoke--preserved on an audiotape in the archives.\n\tHimmler, who oversaw Adolf Hitler's \"final solution of the\nJewish question,\" committed suicide after he was arrested in 1945.\n\tThe National Archives exhibit, on display through May 16, is\na preview of the opening of the United States Holocaust Memorial\nMuseum here on April 26.\n\tThe National Archives exhibit includes a page each of\nHimmler's handwritten notes, a typed transcript from the speech and\nan offical translation made for the Nuremberg war crimes trials.\n\n\t---From p.A10 of Saturday's L.A. Times, 4\/17\/93\n\t(Associated Press)\n-- \n(revans@math.ucsd.edu)\n","1687":"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nArticle-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr15.223029.23340\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <C5JnK3.JKt@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc) writes:\n>\tWasn't the original intent of the reverse lights for the driver, so he\n>could see where he was backing up???  Although reverse lights on the sides\n\nNo. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They\naren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail\nlights. \n\n>are useful for telling whether cars are backing up out perpendicular to the\n>path of the car, I don't think warnings were their original intents, since they\n>are colored white.\n\nWell, red and orange were already taken. Maybe white defines the direction\nthat the car is moving in.\n\n\nIf you really want to be able to see behind you, get some fog lamps for\nthe back of the car. These work very well - and are a good way to get\nrid of tailgaters if you get that rush of testosterone.\n\nCraig\n>\n>\n>\n>-- \n>Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu\n>******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************\n>*\"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*\n>*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand\"*\n","1688":"From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack)\nSubject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: W. R. Slack\nLines: 20\n\n\nVarious posts about shafties can't do wheelies:\n\n>: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects\n>: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift\n>: > off the ground\n>\n>Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my\n>BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and\n>you know what? He was right!\n\nUh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get\nthe front wheel off the ground on my \/5, ferchrissake!\n\nBill    \n__\nwrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack) DoD #430\nBut her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost\nIn the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o\n    \n","1689":"From: afhetzel@netcom.com (A.F. Hetzel)\nSubject: Aviation Headset D.C. H10-40 For Sale\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 25\n\n\nFor Sale:\n\nDavid Clark H10-40 Aviation Headset\n\nExcellent Condition (not even a scratch) -- original packaging.\n\n     Discover for yourself why the H10-40 continues to be the favorite headset\nof thousands of pilots.  It was the first headset to have the advanced M-4\namplified electret microphone - with a frequency response specifically\ndesigned to match the human voice.  Also includes durable universal boom\nassembly and a noise reduction rating (NRR) of 24dB.  Weighs 19 oz.\n\n** Includes Telex \"push to talk switch\"\n\nAsking $220.00 U.S.\n\nShipping negotiable.     \n\nFor more information respond to: afhetzel@netcom.com (Andrew)\n\n-- \n Andrew F. Hetzel            \"I complete less work before 9:00am than  \n afhetzel@netcom.com          most people do all day.\"              \n Ann Arbor, MI USA                          \n","1690":"From: mallen@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Matt Allen)\nSubject: Amiga's for sale\nKeywords: Amiga\nDistribution: pa\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu\n\nFor Sale:\n\n\t2 Amigas!\n\n\tCommodore Amiga 1000\tBest offer\n\t512k Ram\n\t1 Internal Floppy drive\n\tDetachable Keyboard\n\t2 Button Mouse\n\n\tCommodore Amiga 500\tBest offer\n\t1024k Ram\n\t1 Internal Floppy drive\t\n\t2 Button Mouse\n\n\t1 RGB Monitor\t\tBest offer\n\t1 External Floppy drive\tBest offer\n\n\tCall Brian Dickman at (717)872-1719 or send e-mail to dickman_con@huey.\nmillersv.edu.\n","1691":"From: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)\nSubject: A WRENCH in the works?\nOriginator: jmcocker@c00068-100lez.eos.ncsu.edu\nReply-To: jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 19\n\n\nHi all,\n\nI really thought that by now I would have seen something\nabout this, but I haven't, so here goes:  Last night on\nthe evening news, the anchorperson said something to the\neffect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the\nrecent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of\nsome sort rattling around apparently inside the case.  There\nwas no elaboration as to where specfically the item was\nfound, of what type of wrench it was, but the anchorperson\ndid say something about a NASA official commenting that\nthere would be an inquiry into how the thing got in the SSRB.\n\nHas anybody else on the net whose info sources may be \nbetter than mine heard anything about this?  It seems rather\nweird.\n\nMitch ---------------------------->jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu\n","1692":"From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)\nSubject: Re: Can Radio Freq. Be Used To Measure Distance?\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <C5v13M.C37@bcstec.ca.boeing.com> rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes:\n>I'm wondering if it's possible to use radio waves to measure the\n>distance between a transmitter(s) and receiver?\n\nYes, you could.\n\n>Seems to me that you should be able to measure the signal strength\n>and determine distance. This would be for short distances (2000 ft),\n>and I would need to have accuracy of 6 inches, or so.\n\nWell, letsee (whipping out HP-48SX, soon to be GX): 6 inches\/3*10^8 m\/s=.5\nnanoseconds resolution.  Hmm.  That'll be rather difficult!\n\nThe more standard (read: better) method is to use ultrasound, generally\nsomewhere around 40kHz.  Sound travels a heck of a lot slower than light\n(radio waves), and is therefore much easier to deal with.\n\n>What frequencies would be best for this? Or does matter?\n\nIt might be easiest to visit a hardware store and look at the numerous\n\"sonic estimator\" type devices that do what you want here.  Many are pretty \ncheap too -- <$30.  (In fact, for awhile the Stanley Estimator was selling\nfor something like $8.  That's the one I bought! :-) )\n\n\t\t\t\t\t---Joel Kolstad\n","1693":"From: rnichols@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (robert.k.nichols)\nSubject: Re: TrueType fonts that display but do not print.\nSummary: Adjust OutlineThreshold\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.134725.15882@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> avinash@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Avinash Chopde) writes:\n>I just installed a new TrueType font under MS-Windows 3.1\n>but though all the applications display the font correctly on the\n>screen, quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly\n>(on a LaserJet 4 - non-PostScript printer).\n...\n>But when I use the Windows accessory Write, the printer prints square\n>boxes in place of the characters of the new font. Yet, Write does\n>display the font correctly on the screen.\n\nThis is a common problem with highly complex TrueType fonts.  Microsoft\nadmits to a problem with older versions of the PostScript printer driver,\nbut I've found it to be pretty generic.\n\nYou can get around the problem by adjusting the parameter OutlineThreshold\nin the [TrueType] section of WIN.INI.  This entry specifies the number of\npels-per-em at which Windows will render TrueType fonts as outline fonts\ninstead of as bitmap fonts.  The default is 256.  I've generally been able\nto get fonts to work by setting OutlineThreshold=160.  Depending on your\nprinter resolution and the point size you are using, you may need a\ndifferent value.\n\nThe Windows Resource Kit warns against going above 300.  Presumably, that\nmight cause fonts to print as square boxes or something.  :-|  (I'm not\nsmiling.)\n\n--\nBob Nichols\nAT&T Bell Laboratories\nrnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com\n","1694":"From: u083s121@astro.ocis.temple.edu (cis083 sec001 spr93)\nSubject: Leading Edge Computer-Buy?\nOrganization: Temple University\nLines: 46\nNntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\n\n  I saw the following computer in a store and wanted to know if this is a good\ncomputer or does someone see something wrong with it.  I also would like to\nswitch the motherboard later when this computer becomes too slow.  Does anyone\nknow if this is possible with a Leading Edge Computer, or will it be difficult\nto find a motherboard that will fit in this computer.  Any help will be\ngreatly appreciated.\n\n      Leading Edge- Model PC4170E\n\n      * Intel 486SX\/25 Mhz CPU\n      * Supports Intel OverDrive clock-Doubling Processors(What is this?)\n      * Upgradable to 486DX2\/66\n      * 4 MB RAM upgradable to 32 MB\n      * 8 KB internal cache\n      * 1.2 MB 5 1\/4\" & 1.44 MB 3.5\" Disk Drives \n      * 213 MB Hard Drive\n      * 1024 x 768 VGA Video Resolution\n      * 1 MB Video RAM 256 Colors\n      * 6 Available 16-bit ISA expansion Slots\n      * One local bus socket (16-bit ISA Compatible)\n      * 4 5.25\" drive bays, 3 external\n      * One 25-pin Centronics type parallel port\n      * 2 RS-232C Serial Ports (9 & 25 pin)\n      * One 15-pin analog video connector\n      * One PS\/2 Compatible mouse port\n      * 200 Watt power supply\n      * 101 key keyboard and mouse included\n      * Software includes Windows 3.1, Dos 5.0, Microsoft Works for Windows\n\n      The store wants $1200 (without monitor) for this.  Is it a good price?\n\n      Thanks!\n\n--\n***************************************************\n*                                                 *\n* Nicole Bell at Temple University Philly, PA     *\n*                                                 *\n* E-Mail Address: u083s121@astro.ocis.temple.edu  *\n* Prodigy: JPKN01A                                * \n*                                                 *\n*   \"If you're not part of the solution -         *\n*    you're part of the precipitate \"             *\n*         Steven Wright                           *\n***************************************************\n","1695":"From: warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il (Warren Burstein)\nSubject: Re: How many Mutlus can dance on the head of a pin?\nArticle-I.D.: itexjct.2579\nOrganization: ITEX, Jerusalem, Israel\nLines: 23\n\nIn <1993Apr5.211146.3662@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jfurr@nyx.cs.du.edu (Joel Furr) writes:\n\n>I dunno, Warren.  Just the other day I heard a rumor that \"Serdar Argic\"\n>(aka Hasan Mutlu and Ahmed Cosar and ZUMABOT) is not really a Turk at all,\n>but in fact is an Armenian who is attempting to make any discussion of the\n>massacres in Armenia of Turks so noise-laden as to make serious discussion\n>impossible, thereby cloaking the historical record with a tremendous cloud\n>of confusion.  \n\nBut what is Hasan B. Multu's middle name?  I'm not sure, but I heard\nit was \"Bibo\".  I also seem to recall that \"Argic\" is Azari for \"bites\nthe wax Macedonian\".\n\nWe don't have a mail address, but how about finding a snail address?\nThen instead of quashing Shergold rumors, we could just redirect them\n- Ahmed Cosar is a seven year old Greek boy with an incurable case of\ncrossposting.  His wish is to get into the Usenet Book of World\nRecords for having the highest noise to signal ratio.\n-- \n\/|\/-\\\/-\\      \n |__\/__\/_\/    \n |warren@     \n\/ nysernet.org\n","1696":"From: arc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements)\nSubject: Re: Another NYTimes Yellow-Sheet Editorial (4\/4\/93)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sandman.caltech.edu\n\nfeustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:\n\n\n[other uninformed, purposefully ignorant gun control ranting deleted]\n\n>*  Thanks to the N.R.A., the A.T.F. is prohibited from researching the\n>effectiveness of using taggants in explosives, Taggants are a cheap\n>and technologically feasible microscopic additive that would help\n>investigators at crime scenes - like the World Trade Center bombing\n>- trace the explosives involved.\n\nI want this man to tell me how in the hell you can take the \nexplosives used in the WTC bombing, considering that the \nconsensus seems to be that the explosive was a fertilizer-based\none.  Ammonium nitrate, to be exact . . . of which about\n90,000 tons disappears per year (if I recall the stat correctly;\nI don't have it here.)  Just one more disregarding of reality\nto push a point.\n\n[more bunk deleted]\n\naaron\narc@cco.caltech.edu\n","1697":"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Ungrounded GFCIs; was: Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring.\nNntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1qmisf$odp@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM> garyg@warren.mentorg.com writes:\n>>\n>>What you CAN do if you want three-prong outlets without additional wiring is \n>>to use a GFCI outlet (or breaker, but the outlet will be cheaper).  In fact,\n>>depending on where you are putting your new outlet(s), a GFCI may be *required*.\n>\n>You still need to supply a proper ground for a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter!\n\nOddly enough, you don't, at least according to the wiring FAQ that\nis regularly posted on misc.consumers.house.\n\nA GFCI senses discrepancies between the live and neutral wire currents,\nand cuts them both off if a discrepancy is found.  No ground connection\nis needed for it to function.\n\n\n\n-- \n:-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    *****\n:-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  *********\n:-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  *\n:-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <><\n","1698":"From: mark.whalley@uk.co.gec-mrc (Mark Whalley)\nSubject: Windows Backgrounds\nReply-To: mark.whalley@uk.co.gec-mrc (Mark Whalley)\nOrganization: GEC-Marconi Research Centre, Great Baddow, Essex\nLines: 21\n\nHelp, I'm bored with the current Windows backgrounds we have here and am \nlooking for some nifty pictures to use instead.  I've seen from previous posts\nthat many sites exist that store pictures - available through anonymous ftp.\nExcept that I can't ftp to remote sites from my machine, what I CAN do is use\n'ftpmail' - mail a list of commands to a server and receive a mail of files, \nand\/or data back.\nDoes anyone know of sites, with Windows compatible pictures, that can be \naccessed in such a way??? \nIf you do would you please post them.\nTIA\n   Mark.\n\nPS. Maybe this would make a useful FAQ\n\n|--------------------------------------|--------------------------------------|\n| mark.whalley@gec-mrc.co.uk           | 'Only in silence the word,           |\n| Phone  +44 245 473331 Exn. 3114      |  Only in darkness light,             |\n| The views expressed here are mine,   |  Only in dying life,                 |\n| all mine, and nothing whatsoever to  |  Bright the hawk's flight on the     |\n| do with GEC-MRC.                     |   empty sky'  - Ursula K. Le Guin    |\n|--------------------------------------|--------------------------------------|\n","1699":"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nArticle-I.D.: midway.1993Apr15.221049.14347\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1qkkodINN5f5@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias) writes:\n>In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:\n>>Just wondering.  A friend and I were talking the other day, and\n>>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish\n>>baseball players, past and present.  We weren't able to come up\n>>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and\n>>maybe John Lowenstein.  Can anyone come up with any more.  I know\n>>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but\n>>humor us.  Thanks for your help.\n>\n>Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish\n>faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world\n>series games because of Yom Kippur)\n\nThe other Jewish HOF'er is Rod Carew (who converted).  \n\nLowenstein is Jewish, as well as Montana's only representative to the\nmajor leagues.\n\nUndeserving Cy Young award winner Steve Stone is Jewish.  Between Stone,\nKoufax, Ken Holtzman (? might have the wrong pitcher, I'm thinking of the\none who threw a no-hitter in both the AL and NL), and Big Ed Reulbach,\nthat's quite a starting rotation.  Moe Berg can catch.  Harry Steinfeldt,\nthe 3b in the Tinkers-Evers-Chance infield.\n\nIs Stanky Jewish?  Or is that just a \"Dave Cohen\" kinda misinterpretation?\nWhatever, doesn't look like he stuck around the majors too long.\n-- \nted frank                 | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |         I'm sorry, the card says \"Moops.\"\nthe u of c law school     | \nstandard disclaimers      | \n","1700":"From: roos@Operoni.Helsinki.FI (Christophe Roos)\nSubject: Wanted: Rat cell line (adrenal gland\/cortical c.)\nSummary: Where can I find a rat cell line\nKeywords: adrenal_gland cortical_cell cell_line rat\nOrganization: Institute of Biotechnology (Univ. Helsinki)\nLines: 14\n\nI am looking for a rat cell line of adrenal gland \/ cortical cell  -type. I \nhave been looking at ATCC without success and would very much appreciate any \nhelp.\n\nThank you for reading this.\n\nChristophe Roos\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nInstitute of Biotechnology          Fax:                   +358 0 4346028\nPOBox 45, Valimotie 7               E-mail:   Christophe.Roos@Helsinki.Fi\nUniversity of Helsinki              X-400:           \/G=Christophe\/S=Roos\nSF-00014 Finland                                \/O=Helsinki\/A=fumail\/C=Fi\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1701":"Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services\nFrom: Mark Woodruff <CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET>\nSubject: Why I'm not using Dos 6 anymore\nLines: 18\n\nI've been running Dos 6 for about a month.  I was generally impressed with\nthe improvements:  the multiple boot configurations were great, the\nnew commands were nice, and DoubleSpace worked fine (twice as slow for\nlarge data transfers, twice as fast for small with SmartDrv).\n\nUntil now.\n\nThis morning at 4 am while I was working on my research paper, I had to\nreboot a hung Dos program (that did no disk i\/o) from within Windows 3.1.\nWhen my machine finished rebooting, I found my windows directory and about two\nthirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted.\n\nI cannot afford problems like this.  I'm returning to Dos 5.\n\nmark\n\nP.S.  I've also noticed bad sector errors from DoubleSpace where none should\n      exist.\n","1702":"From: bgendler@opus.starlab.CSc.COM (Bruce Gendler)\nSubject: X\/GL widget translation problem\nArticle-I.D.: opus.9304221524.AA05029\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 14\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\nI am writing a custom widget to support the display of graphics\nand imagery.  The user of the widget will be able to specify,\nwhen creating it, whether it is to operate in X or GL mode.\n\nI have set up translations and actions to handle mouse button\npresses.  They work fine when the widget is in X mode.  In GL \nmode they only work when the widget (my GL\/X widget) is a child\nof a manager.  Put another way, the translations do not work \nwhen the widget is configured in GL mode and is a child of a \nshell.  Does anyone know why this is happening?\n\nThanks in advance.\nBruce Gendler\nbgendler@csc.com\n","1703":"From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney)\nSubject: Re: Swastika (was: Hitler - pagan or Christian?)\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nRE: Red, wwhite, and black, the colors of the Imperial German war-flag --\n\nGo further back still.  There are +XVIII Prussian drinking songs\ncelebrating the red, the white and the black -- the colors, as Fletcher\nPratt points out, of blood and iron.\n-- Diccon Frankborn\n","1704":"From: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll)\nSubject: Reposting: 10th International Obfuscated C Code Contest rules (2 of 2)\nExpires: 8 May 93 00:00:00 GMT\nReply-To: chongo@toad.com (Landon C. Noll)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Nebula Consultants in San Francisco\nLines: 1409\nKeywords: ioccc\n\nWe have received a number of requests for a reposting of the\nInternational Obfuscated C Code Contest rules and guidelines.  Also\nsome people requested that these rules be posted to a wider set of\ngroups.  Sorry for the cross posting.\n\nSome technical clarifications were made to the rules and guidelines.\n(See the diff marks at the right hand edge)  The rules and guidelines\nfor this year remain the same, so people who have already or are\nin the process of submitting entries for the 1993 IOCCC need not worry \nabout these changes.\n\nchongo <Landon Curt Noll> \/\\cc\/\\        chongo@toad.com\nLarry Bassel                            lab@sun.com\n\n=-=\n\n#!\/bin\/sh\n# This is part 02 of a multipart archive\n# ============= mkentry.c ==============\necho \"x - extracting mkentry.c (Text)\"\nsed 's\/^X\/\/' << 'SHAR_EOF' > mkentry.c &&\nX\/* @(#)mkentry.c\t1.25 4\/5\/93 15:58:08 *\/\nX\/*\nX * Copyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.\nX * All Rights Reserved.  Permission for personal, education or non-profit use\nX * is granted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its\nX * entirety and remains unaltered.  All other uses must receive prior\nX * permission in writing from both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.\nX *\/\nX\/*\nX * mkentry - make an International Obfuscated C Code Contest entry\nX *\nX * usage:\nX *\tmkentry -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\nX *\nX *\t-r remarks\t\tfile with remarks about the entry\nX *\t-b build\t\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\nX *\t-p prog.c\t\tthe obfuscated program source file\nX *\t-o ioccc.entry\t\tioccc entry output file\nX *\nX * compile by:\nX *\tcc mkentry.c -o mkentry\nX *\/\nX\/*\nX * Placed in the public domain by Landon Curt Noll, 1992.\nX *\nX * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED ``AS IS'' AND WITHOUT ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED\nX * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF\nX * MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.\nX *\/\nX\/*\nX * WARNING:\nX *\nX * This program attempts to implement the IOCCC rules.  Every attempt\nX * has been made to make sure that this program produces an entry that\nX * conforms to the contest rules.  In all cases, where this program\nX * differs from the contest rules, the contest rules will be used.  Be\nX * sure to check with the contest rules before submitting an entry.\nX *\nX * FOR MORE INFORMATION:\nX *\nX *   You may contact the judges by sending Email to the following address:\nX *\nX *\t...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!judges\t(not the address for\nX *\tjudges@toad.com\t\t\t\t\t submitting entries)\nX *\nX *   Questions and comments about the contest are welcome.\nX *\nX *  The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to\nX *  year.  You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines\nX *  prior to submitting entries.  To obtain them, send Email to the address\nX *  above and use the subject 'send rules'.\nX *\nX *  One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from:\nX *\nX *\thost: ftp.uu.net\t(192.48.96.9)\nX *\tuser: anonymous\nX *\tpass: yourname@yourhost\nX *\tdir:  ~\/pub\/ioccc\nX *\nX *  As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email\nX *  to the above address.  Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners',\nX *  where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'.\nX *\nX * Because contest rules change from year to year, one should only use this\nX * program for the year that it was intended.  Be sure that the RULE_YEAR\nX * define below matches this current year.\nX *\/\nX\nX#include <stdio.h>\nX#include <ctype.h>\nX#include <time.h>\nX#include <sys\/types.h>\nX#include <sys\/stat.h>\nX\nX\/* logic *\/\nX#ifndef TRUE\nX# define TRUE 1\nX#endif \/* TRUE *\/\nX#ifndef FALSE\nX# define FALSE 0\nX#endif \/* FALSE *\/\nX#define EOF_OK TRUE\nX#define EOF_NOT_OK FALSE\nX\nX\/* global limits *\/\nX#define RULE_YEAR 1993\t\t\/* NOTE: should match the current year *\/\nX#define START_DATE \"1Mar92 0:00 UTC\"\t\/* first confirmation received *\/\nX#define MAX_COL 79\t\t\/* max column a line should hit *\/\nX#define MAX_BUILD_SIZE 256\t\/* max how to build size *\/\nX#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE 3217\t\/* max program source size *\/\nX#define MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2 1536\t\/* max program source size not counting\nX\t\t\t\t   whitespace and {}; not followed by\nX\t\t\t\t   whitespace or EOF *\/\nX#define MAX_TITLE_LEN 12\t\/* max chars in the title *\/\nX#define MAX_ENTRY_LEN 1\t\t\/* max length in the entry input line *\/\nX#define MAX_ENTRY 8\t\t\/* max number of entries per person per year *\/\nX#define MAX_FILE_LEN 1024\t\/* max filename length for a info file *\/\nX\nX\/* where to send entries *\/\nX#define ENTRY_ADDR1 \"...!{apple,pyramid,sun,uunet}!hoptoad!obfuscate\"\nX#define ENTRY_ADDR2 \"obfuscate@toad.com\"\nX\nX\/* uuencode process - assumes ASCII *\/\nX#define UUENCODE(c) (encode_str[(int)(c)&0xff])\nX#define UUENCODE_LEN 45\t\t\/* max uuencode chunk size *\/\nX#define UUINFO_MODE 0444\t\/* mode of an info file's uuencode file *\/\nX#define UUBUILD_MODE 0444\t\/* mode of the build file's uuencode file *\/\nX#define UUBUILD_NAME \"build\"\t\/* name for the build file's uuencode file *\/\nX#define UUPROG_MODE 0444\t\/* mode of the program's uuencode file *\/\nX#define UUPROG_NAME \"prog.c\"\t\/* name for the program's uuencode file *\/\nX\nX\/* encode_str[(char)val] is the uuencoded character of val *\/\nXchar encode_str[256+1] = \"`!\\\"#$%&'()*+,-.\/0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\\\]^_ !\\\"#$%&'()*+,-.\/0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\\\]^_ !\\\"#$%&'()*+,-.\/0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\\\]^_ !\\\"#$%&'()*+,-.\/0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\\\]^_\";\nX\nX\/* global declarations *\/\nXchar *program;\t\t\t\/* our name *\/\nXlong start_time;\t\t\/* the startup time *\/\nX\nX\/* forward declarations *\/\nXvoid parse_args();\nXvoid usage();\nXFILE *open_remark();\nXFILE *open_build();\nXFILE *open_program();\nXFILE *open_output();\nXvoid output_entry();\nXvoid output_remark();\nXvoid output_author();\nXvoid output_info();\nXvoid output_build();\nXvoid output_program();\nXvoid output_end();\nXint get_line();\nXvoid output_till_dot();\nXint col_len();\nXvoid check_io();\nXvoid uuencode();\nX\nXmain(argc, argv)\nX    int argc;\t\t\/* arg count *\/\nX    char **argv;\t\/* the args *\/\nX{\nX    FILE *remark=NULL;\t\/* open remarks stream *\/\nX    FILE *build=NULL;\t\/* open build file stream *\/\nX    FILE *prog=NULL;\t\/* open program stream *\/\nX    FILE *output=NULL;\t\/* open output stream *\/\nX    char *rname=NULL;\t\/* file with remarks about the entry *\/\nX    char *bname=NULL;\t\/* file containing how prog.c should be built *\/\nX    char *pname=NULL;\t\/* the obfuscated program source file *\/\nX    char *oname=NULL;\t\/* ioccc entry output file *\/\nX    struct tm *tm;\t\/* startup time structure *\/\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * check on the year\nX     *\/\nX    start_time = time((long *)0);\nX    tm = gmtime(&start_time);\nX    if (tm->tm_year != RULE_YEAR-1900) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t\"%s: WARNING: this program applies to %d, which may differ from %d\\n\\n\",\nX\t    argv[0], RULE_YEAR, 1900+tm->tm_year);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * parse the command line args\nX     *\/\nX    parse_args(argc, argv, &rname, &bname, &pname, &oname);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * open\/check the input and output files\nX     *\nX     * We open and truncate the output file first, in case it is the same\nX     * as one of the input files.\nX     *\/\nX    output = open_output(oname);\nX    remark = open_remark(rname);\nX    build = open_build(bname);\nX    prog = open_program(pname);\nX    if (output==NULL || remark==NULL || build==NULL || prog==NULL) {\nX\texit(1);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * output each section\nX     *\/\nX    output_entry(output, oname);\nX    output_remark(output, oname, remark, rname);\nX    output_author(output, oname);\nX    output_info(output, oname);\nX    output_build(output, oname, build, bname);\nX    output_program(output, oname, prog, pname);\nX    output_end(output, oname);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * flush the output\nX     *\/\nX    if (fflush(output) == EOF) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr, \"%s: flush error in %s: \", program, oname);\nX\tperror(\"\");\nX\texit(2);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * final words\nX     *\/\nX    printf(\"\\nYour entry can be found in %s.  You should check this file\\n\",\nX\toname);\nX    printf(\"correct any problems and verify that the uudecode utility will\\n\");\nX    printf(\"correctly decode your build file and program.\\n\\n\");\nX    printf(\"This program has been provided as a guide for submitters.  In\\n\");\nX    printf(\"cases where it conflicts with the rules, the rules shall apply.\\n\");\nX    printf(\"It is your responsibility to ensure that your entry conforms to\\n\");\nX    printf(\"the current rules.\\n\\n\");\nX    printf(\"Email your entries to:\\n\");\nX    printf(\"\\t%s\\n\", ENTRY_ADDR1);\nX    printf(\"\\t%s\\n\\n\", ENTRY_ADDR2);\nX    printf(\"Please use the following subject when you Email your entry:\\n\");\nX    printf(\"\\tioccc entry\\n\\n\");\nX    \/* all done *\/\nX    exit(0);\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * parse_args - parse the command line args\nX *\nX * Given the command line args, this function parses them and sets the\nX * required name flags.  This function will return only if the command\nX * line syntax is correct.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXparse_args(argc, argv, rname, bname, pname, oname)\nX    int argc;\t\t\/* arg count *\/\nX    char **argv;\t\/* the args *\/\nX    char **rname;\t\/* file with remarks about the entry *\/\nX    char **bname;\t\/* file containing how prog.c should be built *\/\nX    char **pname;\t\/* the obfuscated program source file *\/\nX    char **oname;\t\/* ioccc entry output file *\/\nX{\nX    char *optarg;\t\/* -flag option operand *\/\nX    int flagname;\t\/* the name of the -flag *\/\nX    int i;\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * Not everyone has getopt, so we must parse args by hand.\nX     *\/\nX    program = argv[0];\nX    for (i=1; i < argc; ++i) {\nX\nX\t\/* determine the flagname *\/\nX\tif (argv[i][0] != '-') {\nX\t    usage(1);\nX\t    \/*NOTREACHED*\/\nX\t}\nX\tflagname = (int)argv[i][1];\nX\nX\t\/* determine the flag's operand *\/\nX\tif (flagname != '\\0' && argv[i][2] != '\\0') {\nX\t    optarg = &argv[i][2];\nX\t} else {\nX\t    if (i+1 >= argc) {\nX\t\tusage(2);\nX\t\t\/*NOTREACHED*\/\nX\t    } else {\nX\t\toptarg = argv[++i];\nX\t    }\nX\t}\nX\nX\t\/* save the flag's operand in the correct global variable *\/\nX\tswitch (flagname) {\nX\tcase 'r':\nX\t    *rname = optarg;\nX\t    break;\nX\tcase 'b':\nX\t    *bname = optarg;\nX\t    break;\nX\tcase 'p':\nX\t    *pname = optarg;\nX\t    break;\nX\tcase 'o':\nX\t    *oname = optarg;\nX\t    break;\nX\tdefault:\nX\t    usage(3);\nX\t    \/*NOTREACHED*\/\nX\t}\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * verify that we have all of the required flags\nX     *\/\nX    if (*rname == NULL || *bname == NULL || *pname == NULL || *oname == NULL) {\nX\tusage(4);\nX\t\/*NOTREACHED*\/\nX    }\nX    return;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * usage - print a usage message and exit\nX *\nX * This function does not return.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXusage(exitval)\nX    int exitval;\t\t\/* exit with this value *\/\nX{\nX    fprintf(stderr,\nX\t\"usage: %s -r remarks -b build -p prog.c -o ioccc.entry\\n\\n\", program);\nX    fprintf(stderr, \"\\t-r remarks\\tfile with remarks about the entry\\n\");\nX    fprintf(stderr, \"\\t-b build\\tfile containing how prog.c should be built\\n\");\nX    fprintf(stderr, \"\\t-p prog.c\\tthe obfuscated program source file\\n\");\nX    fprintf(stderr, \"\\t-o ioccc.entry\\tioccc entry output file\\n\");\nX    exit(exitval);\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * open_remark - open\/check the remark file\nX *\nX * The remark file should be indented by 4 spaces, and should not extend\nX * beyond column MAX_COL.  These are not requirements, so we only warn.\nX *\nX * This function returns NULL on I\/O or format error.\nX *\/\nXFILE *\nXopen_remark(filename)\nX    char *filename;\nX{\nX    FILE *stream;\t\t\/* the opened file stream *\/\nX    char buf[BUFSIZ+1];\t\t\/* input buffer *\/\nX    int toolong=0;\t\t\/* number of lines that are too long *\/\nX    int non_indent=0;\t\t\/* number of lines not indented by 4 spaces *\/\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * open the remark input file\nX     *\/\nX    stream = fopen(filename, \"r\");\nX    if (stream == NULL) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr, \"%s: cannot open remark file: %s: \",\nX\t    program, filename);\nX\tperror(\"\");\nX\treturn(NULL);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * look at each line\nX     *\/\nX    while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, stream) != NULL) {\nX\nX\t\/* count lines that do not start with 4 spaces *\/\nX\tif (buf[0] != '\\n' && strncmp(buf, \"    \", 4) != 0) {\nX\t    ++non_indent;\nX\t}\nX\nX\t\/* count long lines *\/\nX\tif (col_len(buf) > MAX_COL) {\nX\t    \/* found a line that is too long *\/\nX\t    ++toolong;\nX\t}\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* watch for I\/O errors *\/\nX    check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK);\nX\nX    \/* note long lines if needed *\/\nX    if (toolong > 0) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s extend beyond the 80th column\\n\",\nX\t    program, toolong, filename);\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s:          This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\\n\\n\",\nX\t    program);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* note non-indented lines, if needed *\/\nX    if (non_indent > 0) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s: WARNING: %d line(s) from %s are not indented by 4 spaces\\n\",\nX\t    program, non_indent, filename);\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s:          This is ok, but it would be nice to avoid\\n\\n\",\nX\t    program);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* return the open file *\/\nX    rewind(stream);\nX    return(stream);\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * open_build - open\/check the build file\nX *\nX * The how to build file must not be longer than MAX_BUILD_SIZE bytes.\nX *\nX * This function returns NULL on I\/O or size error.\nX *\/\nXFILE *\nXopen_build(filename)\nX    char *filename;\nX{\nX    FILE *stream;\t\t\/* the opened file stream *\/\nX    struct stat statbuf;\t\/* the status of the open file *\/\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * open the how to build input file\nX     *\/\nX    stream = fopen(filename, \"r\");\nX    if (stream == NULL) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr, \"%s: cannot open how to build file: %s: \",\nX\t    program, filename);\nX\tperror(\"\");\nX\treturn(NULL);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * determine the size of the file\nX     *\/\nX    if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr, \"%s: cannot stat how to build file: %s: \",\nX\t    program, filename);\nX\tperror(\"\");\nX\treturn(NULL);\nX    }\nX    if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_BUILD_SIZE) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s: FATAL: the how to build file: %s, is %d bytes long\\n\",\nX\t    program, filename, statbuf.st_size);\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s:        it may not be longer than %d bytes\\n\",\nX\t    program, MAX_BUILD_SIZE);\nX\treturn(NULL);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* return the open file *\/\nX    return(stream);\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * open_program - open\/check the program source file\nX *\nX * The program source file must be <= 3217 bytes.  The number of\nX * non-whitespace and }{; chars not followed by whitespace must\nX * be <= 1536 bytes.\nX *\nX * This function returns NULL on I\/O or size error.\nX *\/\nXFILE *\nXopen_program(filename)\nX    char *filename;\nX{\nX    FILE *stream;\t\t\/* the opened file stream *\/\nX    struct stat statbuf;\t\/* the status of the open file *\/\nX    int count;\t\t\t\/* special count size *\/\nX    int c;\t\t\t\/* the character read *\/\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * open the program source input file\nX     *\/\nX    stream = fopen(filename, \"r\");\nX    if (stream == NULL) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr, \"%s: cannot open program source file: %s: \",\nX\t    program, filename);\nX\tperror(\"\");\nX\texit(7);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * determine the size of the file\nX     *\/\nX    if (fstat(fileno(stream), &statbuf) < 0) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr, \"%s: cannot stat program source file: %s: \",\nX\t    program, filename);\nX\tperror(\"\");\nX\treturn(NULL);\nX    }\nX    if (statbuf.st_size > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s: FATAL: the program source file: %s, is %d bytes long\\n\",\nX\t    program, filename, statbuf.st_size);\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s:        it may not be longer than %d bytes\\n\",\nX\t    program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE);\nX\treturn(NULL);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * count the non-whitespace, non {}; followed by whitespace chars\nX     *\/\nX    count = 0;\nX    c = 0;\nX    while ((c=fgetc(stream)) != EOF) {\nX\t\/* look at non-whitespace *\/\nX\tif (!isascii(c) || !isspace(c)) {\nX\t    switch (c) {\nX\t    case '{':\t\t\/* count if not followed by EOF or whitespace *\/\nX\t    case '}':\nX\t    case ';':\nX\t\t\/* peek at next char *\/\nX\t\tc = fgetc(stream);\nX\t\tif (c != EOF && isascii(c) && !isspace(c)) {\nX\t\t    \/* not followed by whitespace or EOF, count it *\/\nX\t\t    ungetc(c, stream);\nX\t\t    ++count;\nX\t\t}\nX\t\tbreak;\nX\t    default:\nX\t\t++count;\nX\t\tbreak;\nX\t    }\nX\t}\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* watch for I\/O errors *\/\nX    check_io(stream, filename, EOF_OK);\nX\nX    \/* look at the special size *\/\nX    if (count > MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s: FATAL: the number of bytes that are non-whitespace, and\\n\",\nX\t    program);\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s:        that are not '{', '}', ';' followed by whitespace\\n\",\nX\t    program);\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s:        or EOF must be <= %d bytes\\n\",\nX\t    program, MAX_PROGRAM_SIZE2);\nX\tfprintf(stderr,\nX\t    \"%s:        in %s, %d bytes were found\\n\",\nX\t    program, filename, count);\nX\treturn(NULL);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* return the open file *\/\nX    rewind(stream);\nX    return(stream);\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * open_output - open\/check the entry output file\nX *\nX * This function returns NULL on open error.\nX *\/\nXFILE *\nXopen_output(filename)\nX    char *filename;\nX{\nX    FILE *stream;\t\t\/* the opened file stream *\/\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * open the ioccc entry output file\nX     *\/\nX    stream = fopen(filename, \"w\");\nX    if (stream == NULL) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr, \"%s: cannot open ioccc entry file for output: %s: \",\nX\t    program, filename);\nX\tperror(\"\");\nX\texit(8);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* return the open file *\/\nX    return(stream);\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * output_entry - output the ---entry--- section\nX *\nX * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXoutput_entry(output, oname)\nX    FILE *output;\t\t\/* entry's output file stream *\/\nX    char *oname;\t\t\/* name of the output file *\/\nX{\nX    char title[MAX_TITLE_LEN+1+1];\t\/* the entry's title *\/\nX    char buf[MAX_COL+1+1];\t\t\/* I\/O buffer *\/\nX    int entry=0;\t\t\t\/* entry number *\/\nX    int ret;\t\t\t\t\/* fields processed by fscanf *\/\nX    int ok_line=0;\t\t\t\/* 0 => the line is not ok *\/\nX    char skip;\t\t\t\t\/* input to skip *\/\nX    FILE *date_pipe;\t\t\t\/* pipe to a date command *\/\nX    time_t epoch_sec;\t\t\t\/* seconds since the epoch *\/\nX    char *p;\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * write the start of the section\nX     *\/\nX    fprintf(output, \"---entry---\\n\");\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * write the rule year\nX     *\/\nX    fprintf(output, \"rule:\\t%d\\n\", RULE_YEAR);\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX    \/* determine if this is a fix *\/\nX    printf(\"Is this a fix, update or resubmittion to a \");\nX    printf(\"previous entry (enter y or n)? \");\nX    while (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {\nX\tprintf(\"\\nplease answer y or n: \");\nX    }\nX    if (buf[0] == 'y') {\nX\tfprintf(output, \"fix:\\ty\\n\");\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\tprintf(\"\\nBe sure that the title and entry number that you give\\n\");\nX\tprintf(\"are the same of as the entry you are replacing\\n\");\nX    } else {\nX\tfprintf(output, \"fix:\\tn\\n\");\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * write the title\nX     *\/\nX    printf(\"\\nYour title must match expression be a [a-zA-Z0-9_=] character\\n\");\nX    printf(\"followed by 0 to %d more [a-zA-Z0-9_=+-] characters.\\n\\n\",\nX\tMAX_TITLE_LEN-1);\nX    printf(\"It is suggested, but not required, that the title should\\n\");\nX    printf(\"incorporate your username; in the\\n\");\nX    printf(\"case of multiple authors, consider using parts of the usernames\\n\");\nX    printf(\"of the authors.\\n\\n\");\nX    printf(\"enter your title: \");\nX    do {\nX\t\/* prompt and read a line *\/\nX\tif ((ok_line = get_line(title, MAX_TITLE_LEN+1, MAX_COL-9)) <= 0) {\nX\t    printf(\"\\ntitle is too long, please re-enter: \");\nX\t    continue;\nX\t}\nX\nX\t\/* verify the pattern, not everyone has regexp, so do it by hand *\/\nX\tif (!isascii((int)title[0]) ||\nX\t    !(isalnum((int)title[0]) || title[0] == '_' || title[0] == '=')) {\nX\t    printf(\"\\ninvalid first character in the title\\n\\n\");\nX\t    printf(\"enter your title: \");\nX\t    ok_line = 0;\nX\t} else {\nX\t    for (p=(&title[1]); *p != '\\0' && *p != '\\n'; ++p) {\nX\t\tif (!isascii((int)*p) ||\nX\t\t    !(isalnum((int)*p) ||\nX\t\t      *p == '_' || *p == '=' || *p == '+' || *p == '-')) {\nX\t\t    printf(\"\\ninvalid character in the title\\n\\n\");\nX\t\t    printf(\"enter your title: \");\nX\t\t    ok_line = 0;\nX\t\t}\nX\t    }\nX\t}\nX    } while (ok_line <= 0);\nX    fprintf(output, \"title:\\t%s\", title);\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * write the entry number\nX     *\/\nX    printf(\"\\nEach person may submit up to %d entries per year.\\n\\n\",\nX\tMAX_ENTRY);\nX    printf(\"enter an entry number from 0 to %d inclusive: \", MAX_ENTRY-1);\nX    do {\nX\t\/* get a valid input line *\/\nX\tfflush(stdout);\nX\tret = fscanf(stdin, \"%d[\\n]\", &entry);\nX\tcheck_io(stdin, \"stdin\", EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\t\/* skip over input until newline is found *\/\nX\tdo {\nX\t    skip = fgetc(stdin);\nX\t    check_io(stdin, \"stdin\", EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\t    if (skip != '\\n') {\nX\t\t\/* bad text in input, invalidate entry number *\/\nX\t\tentry = -1;\nX\t    }\nX\t} while (skip != '\\n');\nX\nX\t\/* check if we have a number, and if it is in range *\/\nX\tif (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1) {\nX\t    printf(\nX\t      \"\\nThe entry number must be between 0 and %d inclusive\\n\\n\",\nX\t\tMAX_ENTRY-1);\nX\t    printf(\"enter the entry number: \");\nX\t}\nX    } while (ret != 1 || entry < 0 || entry > MAX_ENTRY-1);\nX    fprintf(output, \"entry:\\t%d\\n\", entry);\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * write the submission date\nX     *\/\nX    \/* returns a newline *\/\nX    epoch_sec = time(NULL);\nX    fprintf(output, \"date:\\t%s\", asctime(gmtime(&epoch_sec)));\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * write the OS\/machine host information\nX     *\/\nX    printf(\nX      \"\\nEnter the machine(s) and OS(s) under which your entry was tested.\\n\");\nX    output_till_dot(output, oname, \"host:\");\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * output_remark - output the ---remark--- section\nX *\nX * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the entry section.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXoutput_remark(output, oname, remark, rname)\nX    FILE *output;\t\t\/* entry's output file stream *\/\nX    char *oname;\t\t\/* name of the output file *\/\nX    FILE *remark;\t\t\/* stream to the file containing remark text *\/\nX    char *rname;\t\t\/* name of the remark file *\/\nX{\nX    char buf[BUFSIZ+1];\t\t\/* input\/output buffer *\/\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * write the start of the section\nX     *\/\nX    fprintf(output, \"---remark---\\n\");\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * copy the remark file to the section\nX     *\/\nX    while (fgets(buf, BUFSIZ, remark) != NULL) {\nX\tfputs(buf, output);\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX    }\nX    check_io(remark, rname, EOF_OK);\nX\nX    \/* be sure that the remark section ends with a newline *\/\nX    if (buf[strlen(buf)-1] != '\\n') {\nX\tfputc('\\n', output);\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX    }\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * output_author - output the ---author--- section\nX *\nX * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the author section.\nX * If multiple authors exist, multiple author sections will be written.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXoutput_author(output, oname)\nX    FILE *output;\t\t\/* entry's output file stream *\/\nX    char *oname;\t\t\/* name of the output file *\/\nX{\nX    char buf[MAX_COL+1+1];\t\/* I\/O buffer *\/\nX    int more_auths;\t\t\/* TRUE => more authors to note *\/\nX    int auth_cnt=0;\t\t\/* number of authors processed *\/\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * prompt the user for the author section\nX     *\/\nX    printf(\"\\nEnter information about each author.  If your entry is after\\n\");\nX    printf(\"%s and before the contest deadline, the judges\\n\", START_DATE);\nX    printf(\"will attempt to Email back a confirmation to the first author\\n\");\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * place author information for each author in an individual section\nX     *\/\nX    do {\nX\nX\t\/* write the start of the section *\/\nX\tfprintf(output, \"---author---\\n\");\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t\/* write the author *\/\nX\tprintf(\"\\nAuthor #%d name: \", ++auth_cnt);\nX\twhile (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {\nX\t    printf(\"\\nname too long, please re-enter: \");\nX\t}\nX\tfprintf(output, \"name:\\t%s\", buf);\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t\/* write the organization *\/\nX\tprintf(\"\\nEnter the School\/Company\/Organization of author #%d\\n\",\nX\t    auth_cnt);\nX\tprintf(\"\\nAuthor #%d org: \", auth_cnt);\nX\twhile (get_line(buf, MAX_COL+1, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {\nX\t    printf(\"\\nline too long, please re-enter: \");\nX\t}\nX\tfprintf(output, \"org:\\t%s\", buf);\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t\/* write the address *\/\nX\tprintf(\nX\t    \"\\nEnter the postal address for author #%d.  Be sure to include\\n\",\nX\t    auth_cnt);\nX\tprintf(\"your country and do not include your name.\\n\");\nX\toutput_till_dot(output, oname, \"addr:\");\nX\nX\t\/* write the Email address *\/\nX\tprintf(\nX\t    \"\\nEnter the Email address for author #%d.  Use an address from\\n\",\nX\t    auth_cnt);\nX\tprintf(\nX\t    \"a registered domain or well known site.  If you give several\\n\");\nX\tprintf(\"forms, list them one per line.\\n\");\nX\toutput_till_dot(output, oname, \"email:\");\nX\nX\t\/* write the anonymous status *\/\nX\tprintf(\"\\nShould author #%d remain anonymous (enter y or n)? \",\nX\t    auth_cnt);\nX\twhile (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {\nX\t    printf(\"\\nplease answer y or n: \");\nX\t}\nX\tfprintf(output, \"anon:\\t%s\", buf);\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t\/* determine if there is another author *\/\nX\tprintf(\"\\nIs there another author (enter y or n)? \");\nX\twhile (get_line(buf, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(buf[0]=='y' || buf[0]=='n')) {\nX\t    printf(\"\\nplease answer y or n: \");\nX\t}\nX\tif (buf[0] == 'y') {\nX\t    more_auths = TRUE;\nX\t} else {\nX\t    more_auths = FALSE;\nX\t}\nX    } while (more_auths == TRUE);\nX    return;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * output_info - output the ---info--- section(s)\nX *\nX * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the info section.\nX * If multiple info files exist, multiple info sections will be written.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXoutput_info(output, oname)\nX    FILE *output;\t\t\/* entry's output file stream *\/\nX    char *oname;\t\t\/* name of the output file *\/\nX{\nX    char infoname[MAX_FILE_LEN+1];\t\/* filename buffer *\/\nX    char yorn[1+1];\t\t\/* y or n answer *\/\nX    char *uuname;\t\t\/* name to uuencode as *\/\nX    FILE *infile;\t\t\/* info file stream *\/\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * prompt the user for info information\nX     *\/\nX    printf(\"\\nInfo files should be used only to supplement your entry.\\n\");\nX    printf(\"For example, info files may provide sample input or detailed\\n\");\nX    printf(\"information about your entry.  Because they are supplemental,\\n\");\nX    printf(\"the entry should not require them to exist.\\n\\n\");\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * while there is another info file to save, uuencode it\nX     *\/\nX    printf(\"Do you have a info file to include (enter y or n)? \");\nX    while (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) {\nX\tprintf(\"\\nplease answer y or n: \");\nX    }\nX    while (yorn[0] == 'y') {\nX\nX\t\/* read the filename *\/\nX\tprintf(\"\\nEnter the info filename: \");\nX\twhile (get_line(infoname, MAX_FILE_LEN+1, 0) <= 0) {\nX\t    printf(\"\\nInfo filename too long, please re-enter: \");\nX\t}\nX\nX\t\/* compute the basename of the info filename *\/\nX\t\/* remove the trailing newline *\/\nX\tuuname = &infoname[strlen(infoname)-1];\nX\t*uuname = '\\0';\nX\t\/* avoid rindex\/shrrchr compat issues, do it by hand *\/\nX\tfor (--uuname; uuname > infoname; --uuname) {\nX\t    if (*uuname == '\/') {\nX\t\t++uuname;\nX\t\tbreak;\nX\t    }\nX\t}\nX\nX\t\/* attempt to open the info file *\/\nX\tinfile = fopen(infoname, \"r\");\nX\tif (infile == NULL) {\nX\t    fprintf(stderr, \"\\n%s: cannot open info file: %s: \",\nX\t\tprogram, infoname);\nX\t    perror(\"\");\nX\t    continue;\nX\t}\nX\nX\t\/*\nX\t * write the start of the section\nX\t *\/\nX\tfprintf(output, \"---info---\\n\");\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t\/* uuencode the info file *\/\nX\tuuencode(output, oname, infile, infoname, UUINFO_MODE, uuname);\nX\nX\tprintf(\"\\nDo you have another info file to include (enter y or n)? \");\nX\twhile (get_line(yorn, 1+1, 0) <= 0 || !(yorn[0]=='y' || yorn[0]=='n')) {\nX\t    printf(\"\\nplease answer y or n: \");\nX\t}\nX    };\nX    return;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * output_build - output the ---build--- section\nX *\nX * Read the needed information from stdin, and write the build section.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXoutput_build(output, oname, build, bname)\nX    FILE *output;\t\t\/* entry's output file stream *\/\nX    char *oname;\t\t\/* name of the output file *\/\nX    FILE *build;\t\t\/* open build file stream *\/\nX    char *bname;\t\t\/* name of the build file *\/\nX{\nX    \/*\nX     * write the start of the section\nX     *\/\nX    fprintf(output, \"---build---\\n\");\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * uuencode the program file\nX     *\/\nX    uuencode(output, oname, build, bname, UUBUILD_MODE, UUBUILD_NAME);\nX    return;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * output_program - output the ---program--- section\nX *\nX * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the program section.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXoutput_program(output, oname, prog, pname)\nX    FILE *output;\t\t\/* entry's output file stream *\/\nX    char *oname;\t\t\/* name of the output file *\/\nX    FILE *prog;\t\t\t\/* open program stream *\/\nX    char *pname;\t\t\/* name of program file *\/\nX{\nX    \/*\nX     * write the start of the section\nX     *\/\nX    fprintf(output, \"---program---\\n\");\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * uuencode the program file\nX     *\/\nX    uuencode(output, oname, prog, pname, UUPROG_MODE, UUPROG_NAME);\nX    return;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * output_end - output the ---end--- section\nX *\nX * Read the needed information form stdin, and write the 'end section'.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXoutput_end(output, oname)\nX    FILE *output;\t\t\/* entry's output file stream *\/\nX    char *oname;\t\t\/* name of the output file *\/\nX{\nX    \/*\nX     * write the final section terminator\nX     *\/\nX    fprintf(output, \"---end---\\n\");\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX    return;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * get_line - get an answer from stdin\nX *\nX * This function will flush stdout, in case a prompt is pending, and\nX * read in the answer.\nX *\nX * This function returns 0 if the line is too long, of the length of the\nX * line (including the newline) of the line was ok.  This function does\nX * not return if ERROR or EOF.\nX *\/\nXint\nXget_line(buf, siz, maxcol)\nX    char *buf;\t\t\t\/* input buffer *\/\nX    int siz;\t\t\t\/* length of input, including the newline *\/\nX    int maxcol;\t\t\t\/* max col allowed, 0 => disable check *\/\nX{\nX    int length;\t\t\t\/* the length of the input line *\/\nX\nX    \/* flush terminal output *\/\nX    fflush(stdout);\nX\nX    \/* read the line *\/\nX    if (fgets(buf, siz+1, stdin) == NULL) {\nX\t\/* report the problem *\/\nX\tcheck_io(stdin, \"stdin\", EOF_NOT_OK);\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* look for the newline *\/\nX    length = strlen(buf);\nX    if (buf[length-1] != '\\n') {\nX\tint eatchar;\t\t\/* the char being eaten *\/\nX\nX\t\/* no newline found, line must be too long, eat the rest of the line *\/\nX\tdo {\nX\t    eatchar = fgetc(stdin);\nX\t} while (eatchar != EOF && eatchar != '\\n');\nX\tcheck_io(stdin, \"stdin\", EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t\/* report the situation *\/\nX\treturn 0;\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* watch for long lines, if needed *\/\nX    if (maxcol > 0 && (length > maxcol || col_len(buf) > maxcol)) {\nX\t\/* report the situation *\/\nX\treturn 0;\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* return length *\/\nX    return length;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * output_till_dot - output a set of lines until '.' by itself is read\nX *\nX * This routine will read a set of lines until (but not including)\nX * a single line with '.' is read.  The format of the output is:\nX *\nX *\tleader:\\tfirst line\nX *\t\\tnext line\nX *\t\\tnext line\nX *\t   ...\nX *\nX * This routine will not return if I\/O error or EOF.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXoutput_till_dot(output, oname, leader)\nX    FILE *output;\t\t\/* entry's output file stream *\/\nX    char *oname;\t\t\/* name of the output file *\/\nX    char *leader;\t\t\/* the lead text for the first line *\/\nX{\nX    char buf[BUFSIZ+1];\t\t\/* input buffer *\/\nX    int count;\t\t\t\/* lines read *\/\nX    int done=FALSE;\t\t\/* TRUE => finished reading input *\/\nX\nX    \/* instruct the user on how to input *\/\nX    printf(\"\\nTo end input, enter a line with a single period.\\n\");\nX\nX    \/* read lines until '.' or EOF *\/\nX    count = 0;\nX    while (!done) {\nX\t\/* issue the prompt *\/\nX\tprintf(\"%s\\t\", (count>0) ? \"\" : leader);\nX\tfflush(stdout);\nX\nX\t\/* get the line *\/\nX\tif (get_line(buf, BUFSIZ, MAX_COL-9) <= 0) {\nX\t    printf(\"\\nline too long, please re-enter:\\n\\t\");\nX\t    continue;\nX\t}\nX\nX\t\/* note if '.' was read *\/\nX\tif (strcmp(buf, \".\\n\") == 0) {\nX\t    done = TRUE;\nX\t}\nX\nX\t\/* write line if we read something *\/\nX\tif (!done) {\nX\t    fprintf(output, \"%s\\t%s\", (count++>0) ? \"\" : leader, buf);\nX\t    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\t}\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* if no lines read, at least output something *\/\nX    if (count <= 0) {\nX\tfprintf(output, \"%s\\t.\\n\", leader);\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX    }\nX    return;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * col_len - determine the highest that a string would reach\nX *\nX * Given a string, this routine returns that a string would reach\nX * if the string were printed at column 1.  Tab stops are assumed\nX * to start at 9, 17, 25, 33, ...\nX *\/\nXint\nXcol_len(string)\nX    char *string;\t\t\/* the string to examine *\/\nX{\nX    int col;\t\/* current column *\/\nX    char *p;\t\/* current char *\/\nX\nX    \/* scan the string *\/\nX    for (col=0, p=string; *p != '\\0' && *p != '\\n'; ++p) {\nX\t\/* note the column shift *\/\nX\tcol = (*p=='\\t') ? 1+((col+8)\/8*8) : col+1;\nX    }\nX    if (*p == '\\n') {\nX\t--col;\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* return the highest column *\/\nX    return col;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * check_io - check for EOF or I\/O error on a stream\nX *\nX * Does not return if EOF or I\/O error.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXcheck_io(stream, name, eof_ok)\nX    FILE *stream;\t\t\/* the stream to check *\/\nX    char *name;\t\t\t\/* the name of this stream *\/\nX    int eof_ok;\t\t\t\/* EOF_OK or EOF_NOT_OK *\/\nX{\nX    \/* test for I\/O error *\/\nX    if (ferror(stream)) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr, \"%s: error on %s: \", program, name);\nX\tperror(\"\");\nX\texit(1);\nX\nX    \/* test for EOF *\/\nX    } else if (eof_ok == EOF_NOT_OK && feof(stream)) {\nX\tfprintf(stderr, \"%s: EOF on %s\\n\", program, name);\nX\texit(1);\nX    }\nX    return;\nX}\nX\nX\/*\nX * uuencode - uuencode a file\nX *\nX * Perform the uuencoding process identical to the process performed\nX * by the uuencode(1) utility.\nX *\nX * This routine implements the algorithm described in the uuencode(5)\nX * 4.3BSD Reno man page.\nX *\/\nXvoid\nXuuencode(output, oname, infile, iname, umode, uname)\nX    FILE *output;\t\t\/* output file stream *\/\nX    char *oname;\t\t\/* output filename *\/\nX    FILE *infile;\t\t\/* input file stream *\/\nX    char *iname;\t\t\/* input filename *\/\nX    int umode;\t\t\t\/* the mode to put on the uuencode file *\/\nX    char *uname;\t\t\/* name to put on the uuencode file *\/\nX{\nX    char buf[UUENCODE_LEN+1];\t\/* the uuencode buffer *\/\nX    int read_len;\t\t\/* actual number of chars read *\/\nX    int val;\t\t\t\/* 6 bit chunk from buf *\/\nX    char filler='\\0';\t\t\/* filler uuencode pad text *\/\nX    char *p;\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * output the initial uuencode header\nX     *\/\nX    fprintf(output, \"begin %o %s\\n\", umode, uname);\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * clear out the input buffer\nX     *\/\nX    for (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)\/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) {\nX\t*p = '\\0';\nX    }\nX\nX    \/*\nX     * We will process UUENCODE_LEN chars at a time, forming\nX     * a single output line each time.\nX     *\/\nX    while ((read_len=fread(buf,sizeof(buf[0]),UUENCODE_LEN,infile)) > 0) {\nX\nX\t\/*\nX\t * the first character is the length character\nX\t *\/\nX\tfputc(UUENCODE(read_len), output);\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t\/*\nX\t * We will convert 24 bits at a time.  Thus we will convert\nX\t * 3 sets of 8 bits into 4 sets of uuencoded 6 bits.\nX\t *\/\nX\tfor (p=buf; read_len>0; read_len-=3, p+=3) {\nX\nX\t    \/* bits 0 to 5 *\/\nX\t    val = (p[0]>>2)&0x3f;\nX\t    fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);\nX\t    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t    \/* bits 6 to 11 *\/\nX\t    val = ((p[0]<<4)&0x30) | ((p[1]>>4)&0x0f);\nX\t    fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);\nX\t    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t    \/* bits 12 to 17 *\/\nX\t    val = ((p[1]<<2)&0x3c) | ((p[2]>>6)&0x03);\nX\t    fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);\nX\t    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t    \/* bits 18 to 23 *\/\nX\t    val = p[2]&0x3f;\nX\t    fputc(UUENCODE(val), output);\nX\t    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\t}\nX\nX\t\/* end of UUENCODE_LEN line *\/\nX\tfputc('\\n', output);\nX\tcheck_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX\nX\t\/*\nX\t * clear out the input buffer  (don't depend on bzero() or memset())\nX\t *\/\nX\tfor (p=buf; p < &buf[sizeof(buf)\/sizeof(buf[0])]; ++p) {\nX\t    *p = '\\0';\nX\t}\nX    }\nX\nX    \/* check the last read on the input file *\/\nX    check_io(infile, iname, EOF_OK);\nX\nX    \/* write end of uuencode file *\/\nX    fprintf(output, \"%c\\nend\\n\", UUENCODE(filler));\nX    check_io(output, oname, EOF_NOT_OK);\nX}\nSHAR_EOF\nchmod 0444 mkentry.c ||\necho \"restore of mkentry.c failed\"\nset `wc -c mkentry.c`;Wc_c=$1\nif test \"$Wc_c\" != \"34482\"; then\n\techo original size 34482, current size $Wc_c\nfi\n# ============= obfuscate.info ==============\necho \"x - extracting obfuscate.info (Text)\"\nsed 's\/^X\/\/' << 'SHAR_EOF' > obfuscate.info &&\nX1993 Obfuscated contest information\nX\nXCopyright (c) Landon Curt Noll & Larry Bassel, 1993.\nXAll Rights Reserved.  Permission for personal, education or non-profit use is\nXgranted provided this this copyright and notice are included in its entirety\nXand remains unaltered.  All other uses must receive prior permission in writing\nXfrom both Landon Curt Noll and Larry Bassel.\nX\nXThe International Obfuscated C Code Contest (IOCCC), in the sprit of\nXco-operation, is willing mention other programming contents, as space\nXpermits.\nX\nXHow to have your contest included in this file:\nX\nX    If you wish the IOCCC judges to include your contest in this file,\nX    send a request to:\nX\nX\tjudges@toad.com\nX\nX    We request that contest descriptions be limited to 50 lines and to\nX    not exceed 2500 bytes.  We typically request that your contest\nX    include a current description of the IOCCC.\nX\nX    In order to be included in this file for given year, we must\nX    receive a current description no EARLIER than Jan 1 00:00:00 UTC and\nX    no LATER than Feb 15 00:00:00 UTC.  Agreement to publish your\nX    contest must also be obtained prior to Feb 15.  Annual contests\nX    that fail to submit a new entry will be dropped from this file.\nX\nXOfficial Disclaimer:  (pardon the officialese)\nX\nX    The contents noted below, other than the IOCCC, are not affiliated\nX    with the IOCCC, nor are they endorsed by the IOCCC.  We reserve the\nX    right to refuse to print information about a given contest.\nX\nX    The information below was provided by the particular contest\nX    organizer(s) and printed by permission.  Please contact the\nX    contest organizer(s) directly regarding their contents.\nX\nXWith that official notice given, we present for your ENJOYMENT, the following\nXinformation about contents:\nX\nX---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nX\nX    10th International Obfuscated C Contest\nX\nX\t\"The original obfuscated contest\"\nX\nX    Obfuscate:  tr.v.  -cated, -cating, -cates.  1. a.  To render obscure.\nX                b.  To darken.  2. To confuse:  Their emotions obfuscated\nX\t\ttheir judgment.  [LLat. obfuscare, to darken : ob(intensive) +\nX                Lat. fuscare, to darken < fuscus, dark.] -obfuscation n.\nX                obfuscatory adj.\nX\nX    GOALS OF THE CONTEST:\nX\nX        * To write the most Obscure\/Obfuscated C program under the rules below.\nX        * To show the importance of programming style, in an ironic way.\nX        * To stress C compilers with unusual code.\nX        * To illustrate some of the subtleties of the C language.\nX        * To provide a safe forum for poor C code.  :-)\nX\nX    The IOCCC is the grandfather of USENET programming contests.  Since\nX    1984, this contest demonstrated that a program that simply works\nX    correctly is not sufficient.  The IOCCC has also done much to add\nX    the arcane word 'obfuscated' back into the English language.\nX    (see \"The New Hacker's Dictionary\" by Eric Raymond)\nX\nX    You are strongly encouraged to read the new contest rules before\nX    sending any entries.  The rules, and sometimes the contest Email\nX    address itself, change over time.  A valid entry one year may\nX    be rejected in a later year due to changes in the rules.  The typical\nX    start date for contests is in early March.  Contest rules are normally not\nX    finalized and posted until the beginning of the contest.  The typical\nX    closing date for contests are in early May.\nX\nX    The rules and the guidelines may (and often do) change from year to\nX    year.  You should be sure you have the current rules and guidelines\nX    prior to submitting entries.  To obtain them, send Email to the address\nX    above and use the subject 'send rules'.\nX\nX    One may obtain winners of previous contests (1984 to date), via ftp from:\nX\nX\thost: ftp.uu.net\t(192.48.96.9)\nX\tuser: anonymous\nX\tpass: yourname@yourhost\nX\tdir:  ~\/pub\/ioccc\nX\nX    As a last resort, previous winners may be obtained by sending Email\nX    to the above address.  Please use the subject 'send YEAR winners',\nX    where YEAR is a single 4 digit year, a year range, or 'all'.\nX\nX---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nX\nX    0th International Obfuscated Perl Contest\nX\tBy: Landon Noll & Larry Wall\nX\nX    This content is being planned.  Someday when Landon & Larry are not too\nX    busy, they will actually get around to posting the first set of rules!\nX\nX    Landon says: \"Yes, I know that I said we would have a contest in 1993,\nX\t\t  but other existing projects got in the way.  Hopefully\nX\t\t  something will be developed after Nov 1993.\"\nX\nX---------------------------------------------------------------------------\nX\nX                2nd International obFUsCaTeD POsTsCripT Contest\nX                     Jonathan Monsarrat (jgm@cs.brown.edu)\nX                         Alena Lacova (alena@nikhef.nl)\nX\nX    A  contest of  programming skills  and  knowledge, exclusively  for the\nX    PostScript programming language. Its purpose:\nX\nX    * To spread knowledge of PostScript and its details.\nX    * To applaud those with the best tricks.\nX    * To prove  that humans can  beat those damnable  machine generators at\nX      their own game by writing  the most obscure and mysterious PostScript\nX      programs ever.\nX\nX    Winners will receive the fame and attention that goes with having their\nX    program entry posted as a winner to programmers world-wide.\nX\nX    The 1993 contest rules and results are available by ftp as\nX    ``wilma.cs.brown.edu:pub\/postscript\/obfuscated*.shar'', or individually\nX    in the obfuscated directory. The judges will post the 1994 rules\nX    in November to comp.lang.postscript on Usenet, and other places.\nX    Send questions to jgm@cs.brown.edu.\nX\nX    Categories include: Best Obfuscated PostScript, Best Artwork,\nX    Most Compact, Best Interactive Program, Most Useful, and\nX    anything so unusual and creative that it deserves an award.\nX\nX    The judges will choose the winners of each category.\nX\nX    Alena Lacova  is a system  administrator at NIKHEF  (Institute for High\nX    Energy and Nuclear  Physics) in the  Netherlands. She is  the author of\nX    The PostScript Chaos  Programs, which draw  Julia sets, Mandelbrot sets\nX    and other kinds of fractal functions.\nX\nX    Jonathan Monsarrat is a graduate  student from MIT and Brown University\nX    in  the  U.S.A. He  is  the  FAQ maintainer  for  the  Usenet newsgroup\nX    comp.lang.postscript and the author of The PostScript Zone and LameTeX.\nX .\nX\nSHAR_EOF\nchmod 0444 obfuscate.info ||\necho \"restore of obfuscate.info failed\"\nset `wc -c obfuscate.info`;Wc_c=$1\nif test \"$Wc_c\" != \"6418\"; then\n\techo original size 6418, current size $Wc_c\nfi\nexit 0\n-- \nSunnyvale residents: Vote Landon Noll for Sunnyvale City Council seat 1.\n","1705":"Subject: Re: Protective gear\nFrom: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\nOrganization: BC Systems Corporation\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <734055654snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes:\n>>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:\n>>>What protective gear is the most important?\n>>\n>>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if\n>>you have no skin on your hands. \n> \n> Yup! Ruins your sex life!\n\nYOUR sex life, maybe....\n-- \nBruce Clarke       B.C. Environment\n                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca\n","1706":"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing\nFrom: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\n <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com>\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.173252.7393@asd.com>, scott@asd.com (Scott Barman) says:\n>\n>Wasn't Ron Bloomberg, the former Yankee who got the first base hit\n>by a Designated Hitter, Jewish??\n\ni have no idea, nor do i care.  however, i'd like to point out that\nblomberg got the first plate appearance by a designated hitter, and\nthe first walk by a designated hitter.  i am not sure, but i do not\nthink that he also got the first hit by a designated hitter.\n\nbob vesterman.\n","1707":"From: nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone)\nSubject: Re: Newsgroup Split\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 25\nDistribution: world\n\t<1993Apr19.193758.12091@unocal.com>\n\t<1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sylvester.cc.utexas.edu\nIn-reply-to: tdawson@engin.umich.edu's message of 19 Apr 1993 19:43:52 GMT\n\nIn article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:\n\n  CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in\n  CH> favor of doing this.  I learn an awful lot about all aspects of\n  CH> graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to\n  CH> algorithms.  I just think making 5 different groups out of this\n  CH> is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group.\n  CH> I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for\n  CH> discussing all aspects of graphics.  Anyone else feel this way?\n  CH> Just curious.\n\nI must agree.  There is a dizzying number of c.s.amiga.* newsgroups\nalready.  In addition, there are very few issues which fall cleanly\ninto one of these categories.\n\nAlso, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga\ngroups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split\nwould not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured\nenvironment.\n\n--\n   \/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\\\/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\\\n  \/    Michael Nerone   \\\"I shall do so with my customary lack of tact; and\\\n \/   Internet Address:   \\since you have asked for this, you will be obliged\\\n\/nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\\to pardon it.\"-Sagredo, fictional char of Galileo.\\\n","1708":"Subject: Re: Value of Kathy St.Pat'sDay stand?\nFrom: bjbartlett@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Bart)\nOrganization: Shady Rest Home\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <dsblack.733712807@pv6807.vincent.iastate.edu>, dsblack@iastate.edu (Vilkata TDK) writes:\n> I heard on one of these newsgroups a week or two ago that the Kathy Ireland\n> Budweiser posters were popular.  There are supposedly half-size and life-size\n> posters.  Well, someone I know got a life-size stand-up cardboard (thick, damn\n> good quality) one, and was wondering what it was worth.  Anybody?\n\n  What about the St. Pat. posters from last year?  I have a stack of about \ntwenty, and two of the card-board cutouts.  (No, they are NOT for sale, I \ncollect them.)\n\n","1709":"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)\nSubject: Re: More Adaptec 1542B problems\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 40\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nlioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu wrote:\n: \n: Okay, here is my configuration:\n: \n: 80486-33 Gateway 433C Micronics ISA\n: 12MB RAM \n: WD212MB IDE HD ( drive C: )\n: ST3144A 125MB IDE HD ( drive D: )\n: Adaptec SCSI 1542B controller, with SCSI BIOS enabled\n: Seagate ST296N 80MB SCSI drive\n: \n: Alrighty, when I boot up I get the Adaptec BIOS message, but it says\n: something like:\n: \n: \"Drive C: installed\"\n: \"Drive D: installed\"\n: \"ADaptec SCSI BIOS not installed!\"\n: \n: And I can't get to the Seagate drive.\n: \n: I go into PhoenixBIOS setup, remove the entry for drive D:, and BOOM, I can\n: access the Seagate.  Is there a way to get two IDE drives and the Seagate\n: at the same time?  I have ASPI4DOS.SYS, but it just hangs the system.\n: \n: Brian\n: \n\nThere is a simple answer.  If my memory serves me the scsi bios will only\nwork as the first or second drive.  Any \"built-in\" drives e.g. IDE are\ninstalled first and then when the scsi bios runs it will try to install\nas the next drive.  But if there are already two drives, then no can do.\n\nThe solution is simple: use the aspi4dos device driver and disable the\nscsi bios (as it is useless in your case).  It works like a champ!  I\nhave seen a similar situation before.\n\nGood Luck\n\nGordon Lang\n\n","1710":"From: euclid@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Euclid K.)\nSubject: Re: Anti-Viral Herbs\nArticle-I.D.: news.C51o24.8A4\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 38\n\nkxgst1+@pitt.edu (Kenneth Gilbert) writes:\n\n>Unfortunately it was rather poorly researched, and would not be available\n>today if it were just invented.  Keep in mind however that those were\n>the days when a bottle of Coca Cola really did contain coca extract and\n>a certain amount of active cocaine.  Times have changed, and our attitudes\n>need to change with them.\n Well, yes.  That was a part of my point.  Aspirin has its problems, but\nin some situations it is useful.  Ditto stuff like licorice root.  Taking\nanything as a drug for theraputic purposes implicitly carries the idea\nof taking a dose where the benefits are not exceeded by any unwanted,\nadditional effects.  Taking any drug when the potential ill-effects are\nnot known is a risk assumed by the parties involved, and it may be that\nin a given situation the risk is worthwhile.\n   Like Prozac, for instance; Prozac has been shown to be theraputic in\nsome cases where the tri-cyclics fail.  But Prozac hasn't been in use\nthat long, and it really isn't clear what if any effects it may have\nwhen taken over long periods of time, even though it has been tested\nby present day standards.  Should Prozac be taken off the market because\nlong-term effects, if any, are not known?  IMHO, i'd say no.\n\neuclid\n\n>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n>=  Kenneth Gilbert                |          University of Pittsburgh   =\n>=  General Internal Medicine    --*--        Pittsburgh, PA             =\n>=  kxgst1+@pitt.edu               |      \"...dammit, not a programmer!  =\n>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n>-- \n>=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n>=  Kenneth Gilbert                |          University of Pittsburgh   =\n>=  General Internal Medicine    --*--        Pittsburgh, PA             =\n>=  kxgst1+@pitt.edu               |      \"...dammit, not a programmer!  =\n--\nEuclid K.       standard disclaimers apply\n\"It is a bit ironic that we need the wave model [of light] to understand the\npropagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no\ntrace.\"  --Hudson & Nelson (_University_Physics_)\n","1711":"From: maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler)\nSubject: Re: FLAME and a Jewish home in Palestine\nNntp-Posting-Host: pelvoux\nOrganization: IMAG, University of Grenoble, France\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <C5HJBC.1HC@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr13.172422.2407@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> nabil@ariel.yorku.ca (Nabil Gangi) writes:\n|> \n|> >According to Exodus, there were 600,000 Jews that marched out of Egypt.\n|> \n|> This is only the number of adult males.  The total number of Jewish\n|> slaves leaving Egypt was much larger.\n|> \n|> >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been\n|> >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the\n|> >Jewish tribes on the way..\n|> >\n|> >NABIL\n|> \n|> Typical Arabic thinking.  If we are guilty of something, so is\n|> everyone else.  Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not\n|> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so\n|> common among Arabs in the Middle East.  There were no \" killings\n|> between the Jewish tribes on the way.\"\n\nI don't like this comment about \"Typical\" thinking. You could state\nyour interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see \na lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible\nin ideological\/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen\nas an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think\nit is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can \nunify as well.\n\n\n|> Jake\n|> -- \n|> Jake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com           Ten years from now, George Bush will\n|> American-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\n|> My opinions only - employer has no opinions.    standard of a failed President.\n\n-- \n===============================================================\nOded Maler, LGI-IMAG, Bat D, B.P. 53x, 38041 Grenoble, France\nPhone:  76635846     Fax: 76446675      e-mail: maler@imag.fr\n===============================================================\n","1712":"From: claes@polaris (Heinz-Josef Claes)\nSubject: german keyboard, X11R5 and Sparc\nNntp-Posting-Host: polaris.informatik.uni-essen.de\nOrganization: Uni-Essen\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 8\n\nI have a Sparc[12] with a german type 4 keyboard.\nHas anybody a Patch for X11R5?\n\nThanks in advance\n\nHeinz-Josef Claes\nemail: claes@tigger.turbo.uni-essen.de\n\n","1713":"From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke)\nSubject: Countersteering sans Hands\nOrganization: Becton Dickinson Research Center R.T.P. NC USA\nLines: 7\nNntp-Posting-Host: polymr4.bdrc.bd.com\n\nSo how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left \nhand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the \nbike turns, am I countersteering? Is countersteering like benchracing only \nwith a taller seat, so your feet aren't on the floor?\n\n-Rick\n\n","1714":"From: tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel)\nSubject: Re: Why does Apple give us a confusing message?\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 16\n\nferch@ucs.ubc.ca (Les Ferch) writes:\n\n>In <C5nGII.BGx@news2.cis.umn.edu> bunt0003@student.tc.umn.edu (Monthian\n>Buntan-1) writes: \n\n>>Does anyone know why Apple has an ambiguous message for C650 regarding\n>>fpu?  In all Mac price lists I've seen, every C650 as the message \"fpu:\n>>optional\".  I know from what we've discussed in this newsgroup that all\n>>C650 have the fpu built in except the 4\/80 configuration.  Why would they\n>>be so unclear about this issue in their price list? \n\n>Perhaps the reason is simple--maybe the marketing people who put together\n>the brochures and price lists weren't clear on the FPU issue. \n\nPerhaps the marketing people don't KNOW what an FPU is!\n-Terry\n","1715":"From: cgcad@bart.inescn.pt (Comp. Graphics\/CAD)\nSubject: Re: Fonts in POV??\nNntp-Posting-Host: bart\nOrganization: INESC-Porto, Portugal\nLines: 27\n\nHi.\n\nThe RTrace ray tracer supports 3D text as a primitive, not collections of\nspheres, cylinders and so on...\nThe 3D chars are made of lines and splines that are extruded...\n\nPlease have a look at asterix.inescn.pt [192.35.246.17] in directory\npub\/RTrace.\nIn pub\/RTrace\/tmp there are some demo images with high quality text.\nAll of them are called Text?.jpg (JPEG encoded). See them first and then\ntell me what you think.\n\nRegards,\nAntonio.\n.........................................................................\n     O     O\n    \/     \/                        I N E S C\n   | O   |        Antonio Costa        | E-Mail   acc@asterix.inescn.pt\n   | |\\  |   O                         |          acosta@porto.inescn.pt\n   | | \\ |  \/  O  Comp. Graphics & CAD | DECnet   porto::a_costa\n   | |  \\| \/  \/                        |\n   | |  \/  | |    Largo Mompilher 22   | UUCP     {mcvax,...}!...\n   O | |-O | |    4100 Porto PORTUGAL  | Bell     +351+02+321006\n    \/   \\ \/   \\\n   O     O     O          \"Let the good times roll...\"\n\n\n","1716":"From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs)\nSubject: Re: Win NT - what is it???\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu\nOrganization: UNLV\n\n>\tCan anyone tell me how Chicago\/Windows 4 would differ from\n>OS\/2 2.x?  Believe it or not, I'm not trying to start a flame war,\n>here.   I'm simply curious  if there is going to be any feature\n>advantage in either of these products (I do not consider the fact that\n>it has uncle bills seal of approval much of a feature...)\n\nOne difference will _probably_ be the same difference as between OS2 and\nWindows 3.x now--one will likely have a lot of software available for\nit and one won't (emulation, with the inevitable incompatibilities that\ncrop up in spite of all the contrary claims, just doesn't count when you\n_have_ to use a certain software package that doesn't quite run properly\nunder the emulation...). Developers want to channel their resources toward\na platform that has a large installed base, and in a case like that the\nplatform that is most successfully _marketed_ (regardless of its relative\nsophistication) will win.\n\nLamont Downs\ndowns@nevada.edu\n","1717":"From: srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu (Manoj Srivastava)\nSubject: [REQUEST] Need tvtwm sources with mods from R. J. Caley\nOrganization: Project Pilgrim, University of Massachusetts at Amherst\nLines: 17\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: srivasta@pilgrim.umass.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mecca.pilgrim.umass.edu\n\n\nHello, \n\n\tway back in the mists of time, I had a set of patches written\nby Richard Caley (I believe to the standars distribution, patch level\n6) which added regular expressions in the .tvtwmrc file, multiple icon\nregions, squeezable icons, and f.deleteordestroy function. I still\nhave the patches, however, I can no longer find the sources to which\nthey applied ;-). \n\n\tI'd appreciate if some kind soul could send me a pointer to\nwhere I could find the sources. Has anyone updated the patches for R5?\n(Richard? are you out there? pretty please?)\n\n\tThanks in advance.\n\n\t\tmanoj\n","1718":"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nArticle-I.D.: adobe.1993Apr6.201745.840\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.195022.6362@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n>Major league baseball has told the Blue Jays and the Expos not to\n>sign Oscar Linares (I think that is his name)\n\nLinares has not defected; as I pointed out, MLB requires that the player\ndefect first.\n\n>...Canada does not have the restrictions against\n>Cubans that the US has and other major league teams have told the\n>Canadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the Expos or the\n>Blue Jays would do this.\n\nWhat a surprise.  As long as the pool of talent is not accessible to all\nteams, MLB won't let a few teams sign it.  Seems perfectly reasonable to\nme.  \n\n>  Cubans players would not have to defect\n>to play in Canada and could play the 81 home games for the Expos\n>and Blue Jays without any trouble.\n\nExcept that MLB won't allow it, which is all I ever said.\n\nSherri Nichols\nsnichols@adobe.com\n","1719":"From: rhirji@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Rahim Hirji)\nSubject: Re: Flames Question\nKeywords: Roberts Flames\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <C5HtrB.ICE@ccu.umanitoba.ca> clhawth@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Timothy Chesley) writes:\n>I heard a little while back that Gary Roberts would be returning to play\n>in Calgary's last regular season game.  Can anybody confirm this??\n>He'll be a big help to the Flames in the playoffs and may change my\n>playoff pool strategy.\n\n\nRoberts played in last night game against the Sharks and got a goal (38th)\nand an assist.\n\nThis definitely bolsters Calgary's chances in the playoffs.\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tRahim Hirji\n\n\n \n-- \n\t\t\t\t     |  Rahim Hirji\n Life is what happens while you are  |  Actuarial Science\n making other plans\t\t     |  rhirji@descartes.uwaterloo.ca\n\t\t\t\t     |  University of Waterloo\n","1720":"From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds)\nSubject: Headphones for sale\nKeywords: headphones\nOrganization: Stanford University, California, USA\nLines: 9\n\nI have two pairs of headphones I'd like to sell.  These are excellent, and both in great condition:\n\nDenon AH-D350\nJVC HA-D590\n\nAny reasonable offer accepted.\n\nAlexander Hinds\n(415) 497-3719\n","1721":"From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore)\nSubject: Re: minimal boolean circuit\nArticle-I.D.: shelley.1r2717INNdjh\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 41\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr9.041505.8593@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> djimenez@ringer.cs.utsa.edu (Daniel Jimenez) writes:\n>Suppose we have a boolean function which is a minimal sum-of-products\n>(derived from a K-map or something), like this:\n\n>f(a,b,c,d) = bc'd' + acd' + abc' + ab'c\n>\n>The books on logic design I have consulted all seem to imply that this\n>is where the analysis ends  ...  But by factoring out the\n>`a' term in the function, we can get fewer gates:\n\n>f(a,b,c,d) = bc'd' + a(cd' + bc' + b'c),\n\n>which yields 9 gates. \n\n\tYes, but... the minimization of gates is important in part\nbecause of TIMING considerations.  A TTL gate has the basic structure\nof AND\/OR\/INVERT, and an inversion of a sum of a product is just\nexactly ONE gate delay.  The reason to find a minimal sum of products\nis that this matches a hardware optimization.\n\n\tA positive-OR gate (such as the 9-gate solution uses) has\nTWO gate delays (and there's another gate delay in the second term)\nso that the second solution, while simpler in logic symbols, can \nbe expected to be something less than optimal in the real world.\nECL is similar to TTL, in that it can support an OR\/AND\ngate with the minimum delay (unlike TTL, you get both true and\ninverse outputs for 'free' when using ECL).\n\n\tPALs are basically large programmable AND\/OR\/INVERT\ngates (with your choice of internal connections between the\nvarious sections, and perhaps some latches), so a minimum sum\nof products ALSO is a way to shoehorn a logic design into \na few PALs.  It's not comparably easy to design with a minimization\nof logic gates, but some software packages claim to allow you to\ndo so, and will take just about any mess of gates (as a nodelist\nwith 74xxx series logic ICs) and produce a description of\na logic cell array to do the same job.  Xilinx's XACT software\ndoes this by treating each logic block as a macro, and expanding\nit all out, then simplifying.\n\n\tJohn Whitmore\n","1722":"From: drohand@cad.gmeds.com (Dominic Drohan)\nSubject: Re: RE: Win NT - what is it???\nOrganization: EDS\/Cadillac\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cve385.ttp.cad.gmeds.com\n\n>\tAnyway, don't expect it soon.  Windows 4 and DOS 7 are supposed to \n                                                     ^^^^^\n        My understanding was that Chicago **was** DOS 7.\n\n>be >released next year (read: see it in 95), so I expect that Chicogo won't \n>be out >til '96.\n+-----------------------------------------------------------+\n| Dominic Drohan             EMAIL: drohand@cad.gmeds.com   |\n| Electronic Data Systems    PHONE: (313) 696-6315          |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------+\n| \"If you'd like to talk for hours . . just go ahead now\"   |\n| \t\t\t               - The Spin Doctors   |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------+\n| NOTE: The views and opinions expressed herein are mine,   |\n| and DO NOT reflect those of Electronic Data Systems Corp. |\n+-----------------------------------------------------------+\n","1723":"From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)\nSubject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?\nOrganization: Tektronix - Colorado Data Systems, Englewood, CO\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <5227@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:\n>\n>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,\n>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up\n>to me in some parking lot and sez \"hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox\n>frame on there?\" I can say something besides \"duh, er, huh?\"\n\n   Deltabox (tm) is a registered trademark of Yamaha, used to describe\ntheir aluminum perimeter frame design, used on the FZR400 and FZR1000.\nIn cross-section, it has a five-sided appearance, so it probably really\nshould be called a \"Pentabox\".\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | \"You can't wear out       |\n| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |\n| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|\n| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |\n| '65 R50\/2\/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |\n|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |\n| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief.\"        |\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1724":"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nOrganization: Red Barn Data Center\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <keng.735334134@tunfaire> keng@den.mmc.com (Ken Garrido) writes:\n\n[lotsa stuff taken out]\n\nBottom line: due process was not served.  No peaceful attempt to serve\na warrant occurred.\n\nThink on that.\n\nroyc\n\n","1725":"From: lulagos@cipres.cec.uchile.cl (admirador)\nSubject: OAK VGA 1Mb. Please, I needd VESA TSR!!! 8^)\nOriginator: lulagos@cipres\nNntp-Posting-Host: cipres.cec.uchile.cl\nOrganization: Centro de Computacion (CEC), Universidad de Chile\nLines: 15\n\n\n\tHi there!...\n\t\tWell, i have a 386\/40 with SVGA 1Mb. (OAK chip 077) and i don't\n\t\thave VESA TSR program for this card. I need it . \n\t\t\tPlease... if anybody can help me, mail me at:\n\t\t\tlulagos@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tThanks.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tMackk. \n   _   \/| \n   \\'o.O' \n   =(___)=\n      U   \n     Ack!\n","1726":"From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nNntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org\nOrganization: The MITRE Corporation\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.122651.1874@sugra.uucp> ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:\n>:Judge: \"I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key\n>:\titself\"\n>:You:    \"The keyphrase is: \"I confess to deliberately evading copyright; \n>:\tthe file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of \n>:        copyrighted Peanuts strips.\"\"\n>:Judge and CP: \"Oh.\"\n>:     How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or\n>:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will\n>:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal?\n>\n>Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment\n>like they are doing in the LAPD trial?  Ie your judge is a state judge, and\n>then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the\n>same trail.\n\n    No. The LAPD officers were tried first by the State of California\non charges of police brutality, and secondly by the Federal Government\non depriving RK of his civil rights - a different crime.\n\n    The scenario I outline is more similar to the Oliver North trial.\nOllie confessed to treason (aiding an enemy of the US) during Senate\nhearings, under immunity. The team which was later to prosecute him on\ncriminal charges had to sequester itself from all reports of ON's\nimmunized testimony. ON's lawyer brought up the probability that at\nleast someone on the team had heard about the Senate testimony, and it\nwas a strong factor against the prosecution, which is one of the\nreasons this ON is still walking around free today.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tPeter Trei\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\tptrei@mitre.org\n\n","1727":"From: cac2g@Virginia.EDU (\"THE Wing Commander\")\nSubject: Re: More Cool BMP files??\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 4\n\nHas anybody gotten this BMP to work?  I try to uudecode it, but\nI get \"input file error\" and no picture.  Anybody?\n\n--Casey\n","1728":"From: dzk@cs.brown.edu (Danny Keren)\nSubject: Re: Desertification of the Negev\nOrganization: Brown University Department of Computer Science\nLines: 12\n\nThis is nonsense. I lived in the Negev for many years and I can say\nfor sure that no Beduins were \"moved\" or harmed in any way. On the\ncontrary, their standard of living has climbed sharply; many of them\nnow live in rather nice, permanent houses, and own cars. There are\nquite a few Beduin students in the Ben-Gurion university. There are\ngood, friendly relations between them and the rest of the population.\n\nAll the Beduins I met would be rather surprised to read Mr. Davidson's\nposter, I have to say.\n\n-Danny Keren.\n\n","1729":"From: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne) \nSubject: WANTED:  TCM3105 chips, small quantities\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA\nReply-To: andrew.payne@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Andrew Payne) \nKeywords: rec mod\nLines: 29\n\nFrom: payne@crl.dec.com (Andrew Payne)\nMessage-ID: <1993Apr20.004418.11548@crl.dec.com>\nOrganization: DEC Cambridge Research Lab\nDate: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:44:18 GMT\n\n\nDoes anyone know if a source for the TCM3105 modem chips (as used in the\nBaycom and my PMP modems)?  Ideally, something that is geared toward \nhobbyists:  small quantity, mail order, etc.\n\nFor years, we've been buying them from a distributor (Marshall) by the\nhundreds for PMP kits.  But orders have dropped to the point where we can\nno longer afford to offer this service.  And all of the distributors I've\nchecked have some crazy minimum order ($100, or so).\n\nI'd like to find a source for those still interested in building PMP kits.\nAny suggestions?\n\n-- \nAndrew C. Payne\nDEC Cambridge Research Lab\n---\n . R110B:Wnet HAL_9000\n                                                                                                                             \n----\n| HAL 9000 BBS:  QWK-to-Usenet gateway  | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins    |\n| FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups!  | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail |\n| Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959      +--------------------------------+\n| Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD  * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 |\n","1730":"From: keegan@acm.rpi.edu (James G. Keegan Jr.)\nSubject: Re: Spreading Christianity (Re: Christian Extremist Kills Doctor)\nNntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu\nReply-To: keegan@hermes.acm.rpi.edu\nOrganization: T.S.A.K.C.\nLines: 15\n\nnyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:\n\n->I addressed most of the key issues in this very long (284 lines) post\n->by Dean Kaflowitz in two posts yesterday.  The first was made into the\n->title post of a new thread, \"Is Dean Kaflowitz terminally irony-impaired?\"\n->and the second, more serious one appeared along the thread\n->\"A Chaney Post, and a Challenge, reissued and revised\"\n\nif you're so insecure about people reading your posts\nthat you feel the need to write new posts announcing\nwhat you wrote in old, posts, why bother? accept it\nPHoney, you're a laughingstock.\n\n\n\n","1731":"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 256k SIMMs?\nOrganization: Macquarie University\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au\n\nIn article <120466@netnews.upenn.edu>, jhaines@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Jason Haines) writes:\n|> \n|> \tI was wondering if people had any good uses for old\n|> 256k SIMMs.  I have a bunch of them for the Apple Mac\n|> and I know lots of other people do to.  I have tried to\n|> sell them but have gotten NO interest.\n|> \n|> \tSo, if you have an inovative use (or want to buy\n|> some SIMMs  8-) ), I would be very interested in hearing\n|> about it.\n\nThe most practical use I've seen for them is as key ring ornaments :-)\n\nJohnH\n","1732":"From: diederic@spot.Colorado.EDU (Andrew Diederich)\nSubject: Re: Ax the ATF\nNntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 19\n\n \n>A few comments on the ATF's botched handling of this case:\n \n>Dan S.\n\n  And another one:\n\nHasn't enyone heard of a leader's recon?  This is when the leader of the\nassult goes and looks at the objective to see if anything has changed that\nwould affect the mission.  Even the Freshman cadets here in ROTCland\nknow about them.  Mostly because they know it as the part where they \nlie on the cold ground for an hour or so, but they've heard about it.\nMaybe the ATF should have hired out to the local ROTC guys!\n\n\n-- \nAndrew Diederich                    diederic@spot.colorado.edu\n\nThese opinions are only mine on alternate Tuesdays.\n","1733":"From: chrisa@hpwarr.hp.com ( Chris Almy)\nSubject: Re: (?) SpeedSTAR VGA Card Win. Drivers\nReply-To: chrisa@hpwarr.UUCP\nKeywords: VGA SpeedSTAR Drivers Video Card\nLines: 6\n\n\n\tThese drivers (updated) are available directly from Diamond.\n\tthey will even ship them to you at no charge.(at least they \n\tdid for me.)\n\n\n","1734":"From: ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: EIT\nLines: 29\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kyle.eitech.com\n\nIn article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n>In article <sandvik-140493230024@sandvik-kent.apple.com# sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n>#In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank\n>#O'Dwyer) wrote:\n>#> Objective morality is morality built from objective values.\n>#\n>#You now pushed down the defintion of objectivity into realm of\n>#objective values. So you need to explain that as well, as well\n>#as the objective sub-parts, the objective atoms, quarks...\n>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round.\nYou keep saying that. I do not think it means what you think it\nmeans.\nPerhaps you should explain what you think \"science has it's basis\nin values\" means. The reason why people DO science is that\nthey value it's results. That does not mean that science has\nit's basis in values. Any more than DES stops working if I stop\nvaluing my privacy.\n\n>So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them\n>from subjective values, before we go any further.\nSee above.\n\n-Ekr\n\n\n-- \nEric Rescorla                                     ekr@eitech.com\n             Would you buy used code from this man?\n        \n","1735":"From: caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch (Germano Caronni)\nSubject: Some Questions (was: REVISED SUMMARY)\nOrganization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETH), Zurich, CH\nLines: 90\n\n\n\n> Here is a revised version of my summary that corrects some errors and\n> provides some additional information and explanation.\n\nThank you very much. After reading the text some distinct questions\narised to me, which I guess will also be asked by other people. Perhaps\nwould it be interesting to find an answer to these questions ?\n\n\n>                      THE CLIPPER CHIP: A TECHNICAL SUMMARY\n>    N, a 30-bit serial number (this length is subject to change)\n\nshorter or longer ?\n\n> Once the session key K is established, the Clipper Chip is used to\n> encrypt the conversation or message stream M (digitized voice).  The\n> telephone security device feeds K and M into the chip to produce two\n> values:\n\n>    E[M; K], the encrypted message stream, and\n>    E[E[K; U] + N; F], a law enforcement field ,\n\n> which are transmitted over the telephone line.  The law enforcement\n> field thus contains the session key K encrypted under the unit key U\n> concatenated with the serial number N, all encrypted under the family\n> key F.  The law enforcement field is decrypted by law enforcement after\n> an authorized wiretap has been installed.\n\nFirst question: When will the LawEnforcmentField be transmitted, and how\ndoes the remote Clipper Chip handle it? Is it transmitted periodically\nin the stream of encrypted blocks, or just at the beginning ? Does the\nphone at the other side discard those packets via a protocol whatsoever,\nor tries it to turn them into voice-output ? (Which would not be disturbing)\n\n\n> At the beginning of a session, a trusted agent from each of the two key\n> escrow agencies enters the vault.  Agent 1 enters a secret, random\n> 80-bit value S1 into the laptop and agent 2 enters a secret, random\n> 80-bit value S2. These random values serve as seeds to generate unit\n> keys for a sequence of serial numbers.  Thus, the unit keys are a\n> function of 160 secret, random bits, where each agent knows only 80.\n\nSecond question: Why!?!? Why is such a strange procedure used, and not\na real RNG ? This turns those S1,S2 in a kind of bottleneck for system-\nsecurity.\n\n\n> When law enforcement has been authorized to tap an encrypted line, they\n> will first take the warrant to the service provider in order to get\n> access to the communications line.  Let us assume that the tap is in\n> place and that they have determined that the line is encrypted with the\n> Clipper Chip.  The law enforcement field is first decrypted with the\n> family key F, giving E[K; U] + N.  Documentation certifying that a tap\n> has been authorized for the party associated with serial number N is\n> then sent (e.g., via secure FAX) to each of the key escrow agents, who\n> return (e.g., also via secure FAX) U1 and U2.  U1 and U2 are XORed\n> together to produce the unit key U, and E[K; U] is decrypted to get the\n> session key K.  Finally the message stream is decrypted.  All this will\n> be accomplished through a special black box decoder.\n\nSo no (technical) provision will be taken to place a 'timeout' on these\nwarrants? This would be a unique possibility to realize such a technical\nrestriction, by letting the escrow-agencies perform the decoding of the\nsession key. Just take modem-lines instead of secure fax. Is this such\na bad idea ?\n\n\n> A successor to the Clipper Chip, called \"Capstone\" by the government\n> and \"MYK-80\" by Mykotronx, has already been developed.  It will include\n> the Skipjack algorithm, the Digital Signature Standard (DSS), the\n> Secure Hash Algorithm (SHA), a method of key exchange, a fast\n> exponentiator, and a randomizer.  A prototoype will be available for\n> testing on April 22, and the chips are expected to be ready for\n> delivery in June or July.\n\nWow! (How does the randomizer work?) Are the SHA (and Key exchange) secret,\nor publicly known ? Key-Exchange is DH, I guess ?\n\nIt seems that those who are opposed to this chip shall have a tough time,\nyour government realy means to act. :-(\n\nFriendly greetings,\n\t   Germano Caronni\n\n-- \nInstruments register only through things they're designed to register.\nSpace still contains infinite unknowns.\n                                                              PGP-Key-ID:341027\nGermano Caronni caronni@nessie.cs.id.ethz.ch   FD560CCF586F3DA747EA3C94DD01720F\n","1736":"From: pathall@astro.as.arizona.edu (Patrick B. Hall)\nSubject: FOR SALE: Sega Genesis system\nOrganization: University of Arizona, Tucson, AZ\nLines: 9\n\nMy roommate is selling a Sega Genesis system with Sonic I,\nin very nice condition, for $100 obo.  Please respond via\nemail to:\n\t\tpathall@as.arizona.edu\n\nAlternate email addresses are phall@noao.edu and moe@ccit.arizona.edu.\n\nThanks,\nPat Hall\n","1737":"From: rwd4f@poe.acc.Virginia.EDU (Rob Dobson)\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <bskendigC5rCBG.Azp@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n\n>They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released\n>non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building.\n\nHow do you know? Were you there?\n\nWhile obviously Koresh was a nut case, the (typical) inability of the\ngovernment\/media to get its story straight is quite disturbing. On\ntuesday night, NBC news reported that the FBI did not know the place\nwas burning down until they saw black smoke billowing from the\nbuilding. The next day, FBI agents were insisting that they saw Davidians\nsetting the fire. The FBI was also adamantly denying that it was possible\ntheir battery of the compound's wallks could have accidentally set the\nblaze, while also saying they hadnt been able to do much investigating\nof the site because it was still too hot. So how did they KNOW they\ndidnt accidentally set the fire.\n\nSounds like the FBI just burned the place to the ground to destroy\nevidence to me.\n\n\n--\nLegalize Freedom\n","1738":"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)\nSubject: Re: DC-X update???\nOrganization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.231654.14060@stsci.edu> rdouglas@stsci.edu (Rob Douglas) writes:\n\n>This question is probably mostly for Allen Sherzer, but anyone who KNOWS\n>would be welcome to answer.  I was just wondering if we could have some kind\n>of update on DC-X.\n\nWell it rolled out two weeks ago. As we speak it is at White Sands getting\nready. I would have called my sources for the latest but they are all out\nof town (in NM).\n\nAs for the future, there is at least $5M in next years budget for work\non SSRT. They (SDIO) have been looking for more funds and do seem to have\nsome. However, SDIO is not (I repeat, is not) going to fund an orbital\nprototype. The best we can hope from them is to 1) keep it alive for\nanother year, and 2) fund a suborbital vehicle which MIGHT (with\nmajor modifications) just make orbit. There is also some money for a\nset of prototype tanks and projects to answer a few more open questions.\n\nBetter news comes from the new Spacelifter effort. The USAF managers of\nthis program are very open to SSTO and will have about $50M next\nyear for studies. This would be enough to bring DC-Y to PDR.\n\nNow not all of this money will go to DC but a good case could be made\nfor spending half on DC.\n\nPublic support is STILL critical. Meet with your Congressperson (I'll\nhelp you do it) and get his\/her support. Also call your local media\nans get them to cover the flight tests.\n\n   Allen\n-- \n+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Lady Astor:   \"Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!\"   |\n| W. Churchill: \"Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it.\"             |\n+----------------------62 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+\n","1739":"From: jlange%radian@natinst.com (John Lange)\nSubject: WANTED: Used audio mixer\nDistribution: usa\nNntp-Posting-Host: zippy.radian.com\nOrganization: Radian Corporation, Austin, Texas\nLines: 9\n\n\nI'm looking for a used\/inexpensive audio mixer.  I need at least \n4 channels of stereo input and 1 channel of stereo output, but I would\nprefer 8 or more input channels.  Each channel needs to have at least a \nvolume control.  I'll consider buying broken equipment.  The mixer needs \nto be fairly small (I haven't got a lot of space for it).  \n\nJohn Lange (jlange@zippy.radian.com)\nRadian Corp. (512)454-4797      Box 201088      Austin, TX 78720-1088\n","1740":"From: rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy)\nSubject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <stevethC5JGCr.1Ht@netcom.com> steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) wri\ntes:\n\n>\n>Just _TRY_ to justify the War On Drugs, I _DARE_ you!\n>\n\nA friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid \nis still having trouble \"aiming\" for the bowl when he takes a dump.  Don't as \nme how, I just have seen the results.\n\nBoy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in \nthe head.\n\n\n\n>--\n>_______\n>Steve Thomas\n>steveth@rossinc.com\n\n\nRyan\n","1741":"From: rcollins@encore.com (Roger Collins)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Reasons Not to Aid Russians\nOrganization: Encore Computer Corporation\nNntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com\nLines: 116\n\njulie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:\n>In article <C513wJ.75y@encore.com> rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:\n>>julie@eddie.jpl.nasa.gov (Julie Kangas) writes:\n>>|> Don't look at me.  I want to send aid to Russia.  Many other\n>>|> conservatives do as well.  \n>>|> \n>>Yes, it was Nixon who was most vocal about giving money to Russia.  It\n>>makes me proud to be a libertarian.  It appears both conservatives and\n>>liberals prefer to cold war until you win, then nurse the enemy back to\n>>health for another go around.\n\n>Enemy?  Sounds like that's the viewpoint of the stereotypical rednecked\n>conservative -- 'always been commies, always will be.'\n\nOK, I should have said \"former\" enemy.  I was being sarcastic about what\ninterventionists want to do.\n\n>I suggest you\n>listen very carefully to the stuff Yeltsin and his people are saying\n>and compare that with the very anti-West slogans coming from his\n>opponents in the Russian congress.  I sure know who I want to back.\n\nCould we back him without forcing others to back him at the point of a\ngun?\n\nHave you considered a non-interventionist policy?  If market reform does\nhappen, Russia will certainly get *private* capital at *private* risk to\nhelp their economy.  They will even have incentive to do so for the same\nreason.  If they don't reform, then our government will probably\nconsider them enemies anyway and rather spend money to hurt rather than help\nthem.\n\nThen their's the ideological point.  We want to \"win\" Russia over to\nour type of government -- a type where the rulers can rule without limit\nover everyone's finances?\n\n>>It's like subsidizing the wealthy countries (Japan, Germany, etc.) with\n>>free defense, and then trade-warring with them because of the economic\n>>competition.  It's like subsidizing tobacco farmers while paying\n>>bureaucrats to pursuade people not to smoke.\n\n>Better to let them degenerate into civil war?  Remember all those\n>nuclear weapons in Russia.  I cannot imagine that they would not\n>be used in a civil war.  If nationialists take over and, even if\n>they prevent a civil war, most feel they must take back large\n>parts of land that are in other countries (like Ukraine.)  I also cannot\n>imagine Ukraine giving up land without a fight, possibly nuclear.\n\n>How does this affect us?  Well, we are on the same planet and if\n>vast tracks of Europe are blown away I think we'd feel something.\n>A massive breakup of a country that spans 1\/6th the planet is\n>bound to have affects here.  (Of course, there is also the\n>humanitarian argument that democracies should help other\n>democracies (or struggling democracies).)\n\nIf a $1.6 billion gift was that important to our well being, couldn't it\nbe raised voluntarilly?  People already give over $100 billion a year to\ncharity.\n\n>>\n>>I ask myself, what law could we pass to prevent government from doing\n>>stupid, frivilous things with OUR money?  Then I think, the Constitution\n>>was supposed to do that.  Could someone please tell me what legitimate\n>>constitutional power the federal government is using when it takes money\n>>from my paycheck and gives it to needy countries?  Seriously.\n\n>Seriously.  Everyone has different opinions on what is stupid.\n>My two \"causes\" are aid to Russia and a strong space program.\n>Someone else will champion welfare or education or doing studies\n>of drunken goldfish.  That is why we have a republic and not a\n>true democracy.  Instead of gridlock on a massive scale, we\n>only have gridlock on a congressional scale.\n\nIt seems instead of gridlock on any scale, we have aid to Russia,\nexpensive space programs, national charity that doesn't help the poor,\nand probably, studies of drunken goldfish.  I think *limited* government\nis more key than how democratic it is.\n\n>BTW, who is to decide 'stupid?'  This is just like those who\n>want to impose their 'morals' on others -- just the sort of\n>thing I thought Libertarians were against.\n\nThat was an opinion, and libertarians are very big on free speech.\n\n>Actually, my politics are pretty Libertarian except on this one issue \n>and this is why it is impossible for me to join the party.  It seems\n>that Libertarians want to withdraw from the rest of the world and\n>let it sink or swim.\n\nIf you are pretty libertarian except on this one issue then you should\nbe VERY libertarian.  Consider it a compromise.  How much money would\nyour fellow Russia-aiders have to give to Russia if those you oppose\nweren't using the same government machine to steal money from you\nand your group for causes you don't support?\n\n>We could do that 100 years ago but not now.\n\nPeople have been saying that for hundreds of years.\n\n>Like it or not we are in the beginnings of a global economy and\n>global decision making. \n\nAll the more reason to depend on the free market which can more\nefficiently process information, than to depend on rulers for decisions\non complex issues.\n\n>Julie\n>DISCLAIMER:  All opinions here belong to my cat and no one else\n\nRoger Collins\n\nSometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government\nof himself.  Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?\nOr have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him?  Let\nhistory answer this question.\n\t-- Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address\n","1742":"From: halle@rebecca.its.rpi.edu (Ezra D.B. Hall)\nSubject: Re: Receiver and C-101 equilizer for sale\nKeywords: receiver, equilizer ,sterio,amp\nArticle-I.D.: rpi.zss56vm\nLines: 26\nNntp-Posting-Host: rebecca.its.rpi.edu\n\nI have sold the receiver.  The Equilizer is still for sale\n\n-Technics SA-450 integrated Quartz synthesizer Digital Receiver\n       -SOLD!!!!!\n\n-Audio Control C-101 graphic equilizer\n\t-This is an awesome Eq., but I am broke.\n        -10 bands\/channel, octave EQ\n        -subsonic filter\n        -rumble reducer\n        -tape monitor\n        -amazing real time spectrum analyzer with calibrtated microphone and \n         pink noise generator, calibrated and uncalibrated range adjustment,\n         display is calibrated in dB and can display the average energy per \n         band, or the average for the full speactrum(great for checking how \n         loud your system is)\n        -The display action has two speed settings to adjust how quickly the \n         display responds to transients\n This is one of the best equilizers around.  It is very quiet, and the display\nIs fascinating to watch.  It sells for $400-$450 in stores, so I will sell it\nfor -$315 obo\n\n\tsend all responses to halle@rpi.edu ,  or call (518)276-7382 eve.\n\n\n  \n","1743":"From: chen@nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu (ChenLin)\nSubject: Re: Can I get more than 640 x 480 on 13\" monitor?\nOrganization: Baylor College of Medicine\nLines: 5\nDistribution: na\nReply-To: chen@nuclear.bcm.tmc.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nuclear.med.bcm.tmc.edu\nKeywords: 13\" monitor, 8*24 resolution\n\n\nTry MaxAppleZoom ( a shareware init ) if your monitor is not driven by internal\nvideo.\n\nchen\n","1744":"From: 02106@ravel.udel.edu (Samuel Ross)\nSubject: Tech Books for sale!!! Cheap!!!\nNntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 26\n\n\nSOMEONE PLEASE BUY THESE BOOKS!!!!!  I AM NOT ASKING MUCH!!!!!!\n\nLIQUIDATION!!!!!! Send me your offer!  No reasonable offer refused!\nFirst come first served! I JUST WANT TO GET RID OF THESE BOOKS!!!\nJUST MAKE ME AN OFFER!!!!!  \n\n* Calculus w\/ Analytic Geometry by Authur B. Simon (copyright date 1982), below avg condition but still readable!  Give me $8 (shipping incl) and its yours!\n\n* Writing good software in Fortran, Graham Smith.  $12 (shipp incl) \n\n* General Chemistry Principles & Modern Applications, R. Petrucci, fourth\n  edition.  Big Book! (this book + following 2 books $20 for all 3!!)\n\n* Solutions manual for Chemistry book. \n\n* Study guide for Chemistry book. \n\n\nSend me your offers via email at 02106@chopin.udel.edu\n\n\n\nSam\n02106@chopin.udel.edu\n\n","1745":"From: ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth)\nSubject: Selective Placebo\nX-Gated-By: Usenet <==> RoseMail Gateway (v1.70)\nOrganization: Rose Media Inc, Toronto, Ontario.\nLines: 33\n\nK(>  king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:\nK(>\nK(> RR>  ron.roth@rose.com (ron roth) wrote:\nK(> RR>  OTOH, who are we kidding, the New England Medical Journal in 1984\nK(> RR>  ran the heading: \"Ninety Percent of Diseases are not Treatable by\nK(> RR>  Drugs or Surgery,\" which has been echoed by several other reports.\nK(> RR>  No wonder MDs are not amused with alternative medicine, since\nK(> RR>  the 20% magic of the \"placebo effect\" would award alternative \nK(> RR>  practitioners twice the success rate of conventional medicine...\nK(>  \nK(>  1: \"90% of diseases\" is not the same thing as \"90% of patients\".\nK(>  \nK(>     In a world with one curable disease that strikes 100 people, and nine\nK(>     incurable diseases which strikes one person each, medical science will cure\nK(>     91% of the patients and report that 90% of diseases have no therapy.\nK(>  \nK(>  2: A disease would be counted among the 90% untreatable if nothing better than\nK(>     a placebo were known.  Of course MDs are ethically bound to not knowingly\nK(>     dispense placebos...\nK(>  \nK(>     -dk\n \n Hmmm... even  *without*  the  ;-)  at the end, I didn't think anyone\n was going to take the mathematics or statistics of my post seriously.\n \n I only hope that you had the same thing in mind with your post, \n otherwise you would need at least TWO  ;-)'s  at the end to help \n anyone understand your calculations above...\n\n  --Ron--\n---\n   RoseReader 2.00  P003228:  This mind intentionally left blank.\n   RoseMail 2.10 : Usenet: Rose Media - Hamilton (416) 575-5363\n","1746":"From: ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt)\nSubject: Re: The battle is joined\nOrganization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA 91711\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes:\n>It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the\n>Administration even sooner than we feared.\n\nI'd lay long odds that it was the other way around.  Clinton didn't\njust pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have\nbeen working on it for years.  While it's possible that Denning (and\nother prominent people) just happened to start arguing for such a\nsystem, it seems more likely that there was a suggestion involved.\nIf this guess is wrong, I apologize.\n\n\t PGP 2 key by finger or e-mail\n   Eli   ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu\n","1747":"From: traven@pitt.edu (Neal Traven)\nSubject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?\nLines: 25\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nRobert C Hite (philly@bach.udel.edu) wrote:\n: I think most of the problems mainly arose from Manager Gene Mauch's\n: ineptitude in managing the pitching staff.  Down the stretch, he\n: abused Jim Bunning, Chris Short, and Robin Roberts (I think those\n: are the three) pitching each on only 2 days rest for quite some\n: time.  By the time they hit the last 2 weeks of the season,\n: obviously none of these guys had an ounce left in their arm.  Oh\n: well.\n\nRoberts was long gone -- he was probably an Oriole in 1964.  Or maybe a\nColt .45.  The 3rd starter was Art Mahaffey, the previous year's ace.\nDennis Bennett was the 4th starter.\n\nThey were indeed 6.5 up with 12 to go, but they won their final two\ngames after the horrid 10-loss streak.  The final game victory\n(Bunning's 19th win, if memory serves) kept the Reds from tying for the\ntitle; they and the Phils were both 1 game behind the Cards, with the\nGiants(?) another game back.  The Mets couldn't hold an early lead\nagainst the Cards that final Sunday, or there would have been a 3-way\ntie.  Too bad they couldn't have saved some of the 15 or so runs they\nscored on Saturday when they crushed St. Louis.\n--\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nneal\ttraven+@pitt.edu\t      You're only young once, but you can be\n\ttraven@vms.cis.pitt.edu\t       immature forever.   -- Larry Andersen\n","1748":"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (OrioleFan@uiuc)\nSubject: Re: Instead of a Saturn SC2, What???\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 39\n\nsrihari@cirrus.com (Srihari Shoroff) writes:\n\n>In <Ifn=sPO00iV18_A8NZ@andrew.cmu.edu> jr4q+@andrew.cmu.edu (Jason M. Roth) writes:\n\n>>>R&T had an article on cars of the SC1 ilk and they liked the Civic Ex,\n>>>the Escort GT and the MX-3 best of all, and the SC1 was way down the\n>>>list except for braking.\n\n>>I just looked at that article; first of all, this summary is inaccurate;\n>>of 10 cars, the SC1 was 5th, right behind these mentioned and the Suzuki\n>>Swift (!). As has been pointed out, it was a semi-silly comparison; the\n>>Saturn was at least $500 cheaper than the MX-3 and Escort (admittedly\n>>negligible, but an issue), and $1500 (!)less than the Honda. The stated\n>>goal was a base under $12k; the Honda was $500 over, while the SC2 at\n>>the same price was excluded. In other words, they let the best Honda\n>>play, but not the best Saturn.  Note that the Saturn did beat the $13k\n\n>I dont know about the car comparison but as far as the price goes rest\n>assured that the street prices for the MX-3 and Escort and (maybe) even\n>the Honda will be lesser than that of the Saturn you're talking about.\n>All price comparisons I've seen are based on MSRP and of course the\n>saturn dealer will sell the car for sticker price whereas the others\n>will do it way below sticker.\n\n>Srihari\n\t\n\tI'd hate to rehash an old thread, but...  Would someone kindly quote\na prices that a dealer quotes for a Civic EX, and Escort GT.  Also, I'm a\nassuming that the MX-3 was the V-6, so go ahead and look that up, too.  If \nsomeone has one of those yearly buyers' guides that give a low quote price,\nplease quote them, too.  Then find the the SC1 base price.\n\nThanks.\n\n-- \nChintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu\n******************************Neil Peart, (c)1981*****************************\n*\"Quick to judge, Quick to Anger, Slow to understand, Ignorance and Prejudice*\n*And********Fear********Walk********************Hand*********in*********Hand\"*\n","1749":"From: ide!twelker@uunet.uu.net (Steve Twelker)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Interactive Development Environmenmts, SF\nLines: 63\n\n>\tWhy do we follow God so blindly?  Have you ever asked a\n>physically blind person why he or she follows a seeing eye dog?\n>The answer is quite simple--the dog can see, and the blind person\n>cannot.\n...\n>\tOf course, you may ask, if I cannot trust my own senses,\n>how do I know whether what I see and hear about God is truth or\n>a lie.  That is why we need faith to be saved.  We must force\n>ourselves to believe that God knows the truth, and loves us\n>enough to share it with us, even when it defies what we think\n>we know.  Why would He have created us if He did not love us \n>enough to help us through this world?\n\n\nSeems to me if you learned to differentiate between illusion and\nreality on your own you wouldn't need to rely on doctrines that\nneed to be updated.  My experience of Christianity (25+ years) is\nthat most Christians seek answers from clergymen who have little\nor no direct experience of spiritual matters, and that most of\nthese questions can be answered by simple introspection.  Most\npeople suspect that they cannot trust their senses, but few take\nthe next step to figure out that they can trust themselves.  Not to\nget too esoteric, but it seems that most religions, Christianity\nincluded, are founded by particularly intuitive people who understand\nthis.\n\n(stuff deleted)\n\n>\tAs for you, no one can \"convert\" you.  You must\n>choose to follow God of your own will, if you are ever to\n>follow Him.  All we as Christians wish to do is share with\n>you the love we have received from God.  If you reject that,\n>we have to accept your decision, although we always keep\n>the offer open to you.  If you really want to find out\n>why we believe what we believe, I can only suggest you try\n>praying for faith, reading the Bible, and asking Christians\n>about their experiences personally....\n\nAnd what if the original poster, Pixie, is never \"converted?\"\nDoes it make sense that she (or I, or the majority of humanity\nfor that matter) would go to hell for eternity, as many \nChristians believe?  It makes more sense to me that rather\nthan be converted to a centuries-old doctrine that holds no\nlife for her, that she simply continue to decide for herself\nwhat is best.  \n\n--------------------------------------------\n\n[You may be right about Christians relying on clergy, but I have some\nreason to hope you're not.  Protestants emphasize conversion,\nexperience of the Holy Spirit, and use of the Bible.  This is intended\nto make sure that Christians have religious experience of their own,\nand that they have some basis on which to judge claims of clergy and\nother Christians.  I can't speak for Catholics and Orthodox, but I\nbelieve they also attempt to avoid having members who simply repeat\nwhat they are told.  I admit that this isn't always successful -- we\ncertainly see young people join our church because at that age parents\nexpect it.  But most of our members do seem quite able and willing to\nmake judgements for themselves, and have a commitment that comes out\nof their own experience.  Unfortunately, it's the nature of Usenet\nthat doctrinal disagreements get emphasized, so it looks like we spend\nmost of our time dealing with doctrine.  That's certainly not my\nexperience of the way Christians really live.  --clh]\n","1750":"From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)\nSubject: DOT Tire date codes\nNntp-Posting-Host: mbunix.mitre.org\nOrganization: The MITRE Corp., Bedford, Ma.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 25\n\nI just mailed this:\n\nI noticed a 2-3in long cut in the tread of the rear tire on my VFR.\nThe cut is only about as deep as the tread block, and looks like it\nonly scratched the rubber at the base, but the weird thing is, it's\nway over on the edge where I haven't scuffed the tire in yet.\nMy questions are:\n1. How dangerous is this, should I replace the tire right away?\nand\n2. If I should, since the cut is on the unscuffed portion and the\ntire only has about 330 mi on it, what do you think my chances of\ngetting it replaced under warranty are?\n\nTo the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out\nhow old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced.  Does\nanyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy?\n\nThanks,\nDean\n\n-- \n| Dean Cookson \/ dcookson@mitre.org \/ 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |\n| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  \/  KotB       |\n| \"The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop\"      | '92 VFR750F           |\n| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |\n","1751":"From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake\nOrganization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1r64pb$nkk@genesis.MCS.COM> arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:\n>Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to\n>recognize the statement that these \"private funds\" were all tax exmpt.  In\n>otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money.\n\nDammit, how did ArfArf's latest excretion escape my kill file?\n\nOh, he changed sites.  Again.  *sigh*  OK, I assume no other person\non this planet will ever use the login name of arf.\n\n\/arf@\/aK:j  \n\n-- \nMike Van Pelt      mvp@netcom.com\n\"... Local prohibitions cannot  block advances in military and commercial\ntechnology.... Democratic movements for local restraint can only restrain\nthe world's democracies, not the world as a whole.\" -- K. Eric Drexler\n","1752":"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)\nSubject: Re: Ax the ATF\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com\n\n>True, Congress has said that possesion of an unlicensed automatic \n>weapon is a violation of the law.  Congress did not, however, say\n>that such possesion was a capital offense or a transgression worth\n>getting four good government agents killed and 16 others wounded.\n\n\nEven if it were a capital offense, the warrant was not even an arrest warrant,\nbut a search warrant.  In other words, there was no evidence of illegal\narms, just enough of a suggestion to get a judge to sign a license to\nsearch for illegal evidence.\n\nQuestion:  As in the Rodney King case, will the US DOJ institute\ncriminal civil rights proceedings against the BATF?  Or at least an\ninvestigation?  OK, sorry I asked.\n","1753":"From: jason@ab20.larc.nasa.gov (Jason Austin)\nSubject: Re: Barbecued foods and health risk\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center, Hampton, VA\nLines: 28\nReply-To: Jason C. Austin <j.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ab20.larc.nasa.gov\nIn-reply-to: rsilver@world.std.com's message of Sat, 17 Apr 1993 15:02:18 GMT\n\nIn article <C5Mv3v.2o5@world.std.com> rsilver@world.std.com (Richard Silver) writes:\n-> \n-> Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks \n-> associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens \n-> are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function \n-> of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of \n-> the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish \n-> to know more. Thanks. \n\n\tI've read mixed opinions on this.  Singed meat can contain\ncarcinogens, but unless you eat barbecued meat every meal, you're\nprobably not at much risk.  I think I will live life on the edge and\ngrill my food.\n\n\tI've also read that using petroleum based charcoal starter can\nput some unwanted toxins in your food, or at least unwanted odor.\nI've been using egg carton cups dipped in paraffin for fire starters,\nand it actually lights faster and easier than lighter fluid.  Several\npeople have told me that they have excellent results with a chimney,\nbasically a steel cylinder with wholes punched in the side.  I've been\nmeaning to get one of these, but one hasn't presented itself while\nI've been out shopping.  You can make one from a coffee can, but I buy\nmy coffee as whole beans in a bag, so I haven't had a big enough can\nlaying around.\n--\nJason C. Austin\nj.c.austin@larc.nasa.gov\n\n","1754":"From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <rp16+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Wirtz is a weenie\nOrganization: University Libraries - E&S Library, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\n\nSo what's the deal with Bill Wirtz? Apparently, the Blackhawks - St.\nLouis game was a standing room only sell out as usual, but the Hawks\nreported the attendace as 16,199. Gee, I wonder if Wirtz is planning to\nuse this as justification for continuing to keep home games off of TV?\nWhat a schmuck.\n\nIn other TV news, the Penguins announced yesterday that they will have 3\nfewer broadcast TV games, and will have 22(!) games on some sort of\nsubscription \/ pay-per-view system. Yuck.\n\nRalph\n\n","1755":"From: talluri@osage.csc.ti.com (Raj Talluri)\nSubject: Point of intersection of n lines\nKeywords: robust statistics\nNntp-Posting-Host: osage\nOrganization: Texas Instruments\nLines: 21\n\nHi,\n\nCan anybody suggest robust algorithms\/code for computing the point of intersection\non n, 2-d lines in a plane. The data has outliers and hence a simple least squares\ntechnique does not seem to provide satifactory results.\n\nPlease respond by e-mail and I will post the summary to the newsgroups\nif there is sufficient interest.\n\nThanks,\n\nRaj Talluri\nMember Technical Staff\nImage Understanding Branch\nTexas Instruments\nCentral Research Labs\nDallas, Texas 75248\n\ntalluri@csc.ti.com\n\n\n","1756":"From: jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach)\nSubject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.165139.6240@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:\n>In article <C5IJ7H.L95@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:\n>> In article <1993Apr15.021021.7538@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:\n>> >In article <C5HuH1.241@news.iastate.edu>, jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach) writes:\n>> I really don't want to waste time in\n>> here to do battle about the legalization of drugs.  If you really want to, we\n>> can get into it and prove just how idiotic that idea is!  \n>\n>  Read: I do not know what the fuck I'm talking about, and am\n>not eager to make a fool of myself.\n\n\nOh, you foolish person.  I do know what the fuck I'm talking about\nand will gladly demonstrate for such ignorants as yourself if you\nwish.\n\nThe legalization of drugs will provide few if any of the benefits\nso highly taunted by its proponents:  safer, cheaper drugs along\nwith revenues from taxes on those drugs; reduced crime and reduced\norganized crime specifically; etc, etc\n\nIf you would like to prove how clueless you are, we can get into\nwhy - again a lot of wasted posts that I don't think this group\nwas intended for and something easily solved by you doing a little\nresearch.\n\n\n>  From a pragmatic standpoint, there certainly is some justification\n>if it is a vice people will commit anyway. Shall we criminalize\n>alcohol again? If the re-legalization for alcohol were done from\n\n\n\nMaking you look bad is too damn easy.  The vast social and historical\ndifferences between alcohol and other drugs make this comparison\nworthless.\n\n\n\n>Vice statutes serve\n>only to make it more expensive for the rich and more dangerous\n>for the poor, as Tim so eloquently put it. People will, however,\n\n\nAnd so it shall be if the government (by the people) decides that\nthese vices are detrimental to the society as a whole.\n\n\n>  And why, pray tell, is AIDS \"victim\" in snear quotes? Are you of\n>the revisionist sort that thinks there is no such thing as the AIDS\n>plauge? Or do they just deserve it?\n\n\nThe overwhelmingly vast majority (get the point)\nof AIDS cases are contracted thru behavioral CHOICES.  Nuff said.\n\n","1757":"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer\nSubject: Re: THE ALL TIME GREATS TEAM\nOrganization: Allegheny College\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.203122.12367@iscsvax.uni.edu>  \nreed5575@iscsvax.uni.edu writes:\n>     \n> \nDave Winfield's name does not go\n> in the same sentence. As Aaron, Robinson, and Ott. \n\n\n\n       In terms of PEAK, and I repeat PEAK years, Winfield has Done it  \nall. He has batted in the 340's for a season, drove in 100 and more runs  \nmany times in a row before his injury. Consistently hit at or near 300  \nwhile knocking in 35 home runs. Have you even LOOKED at Dave Winfield's  \nslugging percentage for three or 4 of his best seasons. I still think that  \ndave was one of the BETTER of all time, but obviously not the best. He was  \none of the best athletes evr to play baseball. He hit line drives that hit  \nthe scoreboard in left-center field, a feat np one has done in the new  \nStadium. Heck, only 2 or 3 other people have hit it over that green fence  \nsince it has been remodeled. He could field, had a bullet arm, and his  \nhitting was comparable in many seasons to gary sheffields, and barry bonds  \nof last season. He is older now, and slowing down, takes more of an  \nuppercut to lift the ball out of the park, but he will always be my hero,  \nand my idol. There is nothing that could make me happier than George  \ninviting Dave back to the Bronx to play his last year of ball with the  \nYankees. Of course, he will most likely refuse the offer, but who knows?  \nFor 3 million dollars, he'll play. Heck they are giving gallego 2.5  \nmillion this year, having Dave as their DH, while leaving him time to play  \nthe field when Tartabull is injured, or Nokes and mass are traded, should  \ngive the Yanks the inspiration and leadership that will sweep in a new age  \nof Yankee domination.\n\n\nMichael Lurie\n","1758":"From: jlu@cs.umr.edu (Eric Jui-Lin Lu)\nSubject: info wanted: X security holes\nNntp-Posting-Host: next2.cs.umr.edu\nOrganization: University of Missouri - Rolla\nLines: 22\n\nHi *,\n\nHas anyone out there compile a list of X security holes??  If\nyes, will you please send me a copy of this??  If this is a\nwrong group, please point me to a right one.  Thanks!!\n\nBTW, the list doesn't have to contain the info \"How to use\nthe holes?\".  Instead, I need the info of how to detect\nthe holes, how to seal the holes, and how to monitor the \nactivities if possible.\n\nAny info is welcomed.  Thanks!!\n\n\n  --Eric\n\n\n-- \n***************************************---       Grad. student          ---*\n* Obviousness is always the enemy of  *   \\     Jui-Lin Lu (Eric)      \/   *\n* correctness.  -- Bertrand Russell   *   \/      jlu@cs.umr.edu        \\   *\n***************************************---   Univ. of Missouri-Rolla    ---*\n","1759":"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n>Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't\n>care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball\n>doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba,\n>that is).\n\nMLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba.  They just have to\ndefect first.  \n\nSort of like the situation used to be with Russian\/Czech\/etc hockey\nplayers, until the political situation in those countries changed.\n\nSherri Nichols\nsnichols@adobe.com\n\n\n\n","1760":"From: gumby@tweedledumb.cygnus.com (D V Henkel-Wallace)\nSubject: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only\nOrganization: Cygnus Support, Cambridge, MA USA\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tweedledumb.cygnus.com\nIn-reply-to: jhart@agora.rain.com's message of 19 Apr 93 19:57:21 GMT\n\n   Date: 19 Apr 93 19:57:21 GMT\n   From: jhart@agora.rain.com (Jim Hart)\n\n   \"Simply?\" \"Everyone\" should have this attitude?   The only people\n   who can have this attitude are the most hard-core\n   computer hackers, who never make phone calls away from their\n   computer\n\nIn 10 yeards everybody will be talkig into his or her PDA anyway.\nThat should solve most of the problem.\n\n","1761":"From: buenneke@monty.rand.org (Richard Buenneke)\nSubject: DC-X Rollout Report\nX-Added: Forwarded by Space Digest\nOrganization: [via International Space University]\nOriginal-Sender: isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU\nDistribution: sci\nLines: 124\n\n\nMcDonnell Douglas rolls out DC-X\n\n        HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. -- On a picture-perfect Southern\nCalifornia day, McDonnell Douglas rolled out its DC-X rocket ship last\nSaturday.  The company hopes this single-stage rocket technology\ndemonstrator will be the first step towards a single-stage-to-orbit (SSTO)\nrocket ship.\n\n        The white conical vehicle was scheduled to go to the White Sands\nMissile Range in New Mexico this week.  Flight tests will start in\nmid-June.\n\n        Although there wasn't a cloud in the noonday sky, the forecast for\nSSTO research remains cloudy.  The SDI Organization -- which paid $60\nmillion for the DC-X -- can't itself afford to fund full development of a\nfollow-on vehicle.  To get the necessary hundreds of millions required for\na sub-orbital DC-XA, SDIO is passing a tin cup among its sister government\nagencies.\n\n        SDIO originally funded SSTO research as a way to cut the costs for\norbital deployments of space-based sensors and weapns.  However, recent\nchanges in SDI's political marching orders and budget cuts have made SSTO\nless of a priority.  Today, the agency is more interested in using DC-X as\na step towards a low-cost, reusable sounding rocket.\n\n        SDIO has already done 50 briefings to other government agencies,\nsaid Col.  Simon \"Pete\" Worden, SDIO's deputy for technology.  But Worden\ndeclined to say how much the agencies would have to pony up for the\nprogram. \"I didn't make colonel by telling my contractors how much money I\nhave available to spend,\" he quipped at a press conference at McDonnell\nDouglas Astronautics headquarters.\n\n        While SDIO has lowered its sights on the program's orbital\nobjective, agency officials hail the DC-X as an example of the \"better,\nfaster, cheaper\" approach to hardware development.  The agency believes\nthis philosophy can produce breakthroughs that \"leapfrog\" ahead of\nevolutionary technology developments.\n\n        Worden said the DC-X illustrates how a \"build a little, test a\nlittle\" approach can produce results on time and within budget.  He said\nthe program -- which went from concept to hardware in around 18 months --\nshowed how today's engineers could move beyond the \"miracles of our\nparents' time.\"\n\n        \"The key is management,\" Worden said. \"SDIO had a very light hand\non this project.  We had only one overworked major, Jess Sponable.\"\n\n        Although the next phase may involve more agencies, Worden said\nlean management and a sense of government-industry partnership will be\ncrucial. \"It's essential we do not end up with a large management\nstructure where the price goes up exponentially.\"\n\n        SDIO's approach also won praise from two California members of the\nHouse Science, Space and Technology Committee. \"This is the direction\nwe're going to have to go,\" said Rep.  George Brown, the committee's\nDemocratic chairman. \"Programs that stretch aout 10 to 15 years aren't\nsustainable....NASA hasn't learned it yet.  SDIO has.\"\n\n        Rep.  Dana Rohrbacher, Brown's Republican colleague, went further.\nJoking that \"a shrimp is a fish designed by a NASA design team,\"\nRohrbacher doubted that the program ever would have been completed if it\nwere left to the civil space agency.\n\n        Rohrbacher, whose Orange County district includes McDonnell\nDouglas, also criticized NASA-Air Force work on conventional, multi-staged\nrockets as placing new casings around old missile technology. \"Let's not\nbuild fancy ammunition with capsules on top.  Let's build a spaceship!\"\n\n         Although Rohrbacher praised SDIO's sponsorship, he said the\nprivate sector needs to take the lead in developing SSTO technology.\n\n        McDonnell Douglas, which faces very uncertain prospects with its\nC-17 transport and Space Station Freedom programs, were more cautious\nabout a large private secotro commitment. \"On very large ventures,\ncompanies put in seed money,\" said Charles Ordahl, McDonnell Douglas'\nsenior vice president for space systems. \"You need strong government\ninvestments.\"\n\n        While the government and industry continue to differ on funding\nfor the DC-XA, they agree on continuing an incremental approach to\ndevelopment.  Citing corporate history, they liken the process to Douglas\nAircraft's DC aircraft.  Just as two earlier aircraft paved the way for\nthe DC-3 transport, a gradual evolution in single-stage rocketry could\neventually lead to an orbital Delta Clipper (DC-1).\n\n        Flight tests this summer at White Sands will \"expand the envelope\"\nof performance, with successive tests increasing speed and altitude.  The\nfirst tests will reach 600 feet and demonstrate hovering, verticle\ntake-off and landing.  The second series will send the unmanned DC-X up to\n5,000 feet.  The third and final series will take the craft up to 20,000\nfeet.\n\n        Maneuvers will become more complex on third phase.  The final\ntests will include a \"pitch-over\" manever that rotates the vehicle back\ninto a bottom-down configuration for a soft, four-legged landing.\n\n        The flight test series will be supervised by Charles \"Pete\"\nConrad, who performed similar maneuvers on the Apollo 12 moon landing.\nNow a McDonnell Douglas vice president, Conrad paised the vehicles\naircraft-like approach to operations.  Features include automated\ncheck-out and access panels for easy maintainance.\n\n        If the program moves to the next stage, engine technology will\nbecome a key consideration.  This engine would have more thrust than the\nPratt & Whitney RL10A-5 engines used on the DC-X.  Each motor uses liquid\nhydrogen and liquid oxygen propellants to generate up to 14,760 pounds of\nthrust\n\n        Based on the engine used in Centaur upper stages, the A-5 model\nhas a thrust champer designed for sea level operation and three-to-on\nthrottling capability.  It also is designed for repeat firings and rapid\nturnaround.\n\n        Worden said future single-stage rockets could employ\ntri-propellant engine technology developed in the former Soviet Union.\nThe resulting engines could burn a dense hydrocarbon fuel at takeoff and\nthen switch to liquid hydrogen at higher altitudes.\n\n        The mechanism for the teaming may already be in place.  Pratt has\na technology agreement with NPO Energomash, the design bureau responsible\nfor the tri-propellant and Energia cryogenic engines.\n\n\n","1762":"From: elliott@optilink.COM (Paul Elliott)\nSubject: Re: Analog switches\/Balanced Demodulators\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: DSC\/Optilink Access Products\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <msf.734832494@skaro> msf@skaro.as.arizona.edu (Michael Fulbright) writes:\n>I am trying to build a synchronous demodulator and I've hit a snag.\n>In my application I want to be able to change the gain of an\n>op amp amplifier from 1 to -1, controlable via a digital input.\n>The most obvious way I've come up with is to use analog switches\n>to adjust the gain of the op amp. The only analog switch I have\n>experience with it the 4066. Unfortunately I want to switch an\n>AC signal which goes from about -5V to 5V, and the 4066 is only\n>for positive signals.\n>[...]\n> I have a carrier signal which varies between 0V and +5V. I want\n>to demodulate an input signal by feeding the input signal thru a\n>amp with a gain of 1 when the carrier is at +5V, and thru a amp\n>with a gain of -1 when the carrier is 0V. The output is then\n>low pass filtered. I believe this is called lock in detection as well\n>as synchronous demodulation.\n\nLook at the 4053.  This is a triple 2-to-1 transmission-gate analog\nmultiplexer, with positive and negative power supplies (can be run\nfrom a single-ended supply as well).  With dual supplies, the logic\ninputs still range from ground (0 Volts) to VDD.\n\nThis is a neat (well, I think so) design for a switchable-polarity\namplifier:\n\n                 +-----\/\\\/\\\/\\-------+\n                 |                  |\n                 |    \/--------\\    |\nINPUT -+-\/\\\/\\\/\\--+----| -      |    |\n       |              |  opamp |----+------- OUTPUT\n       +-\/\\\/\\\/\\--+----| +      |\n                 |    \\--------\/\n                 |\nCONTROL\t---------X (analog switch)\n                 |\n                 |\n                ---\n                GND\n\nAll resistors are equal-value.  When the analog switch is closed,\nthe amp is inverting-gain-of-one.  With the switch open, it is\nnon-inverting-gain-of-one.  You can clean up the circuit to trim\nout input offset current if this hurts the balance (this would show\nup as carrier feed-through).\n\nFor high frequencies, the slew-rate of the opamp might cause problems,\nespecially if it isn't symmetrical (and it usually isn't).\n\n-- \n--------     Paul Elliott - DSC Optilink - Petaluma, CA USA      ----------\n    {uunet,pyramid,tekbspa}!optilink!elliott -or- elliott@optilink.com\n       \"I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not so sure.\"\n\n","1763":"From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)\nSubject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++\nOrganization: NSWC, Carderock Division, Annapolis, MD, USA\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:\n>\n>> Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about\n>it!\n\nI bought my Moto Guzzi from a Univ of Va grad student in Charlottesville\nlast spring.\n\n\t     Mark Cervi, cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147\n\t\t DoD #0603  MGNOC #12998  '87 Moto Guzzi SP-II\n      \"What kinda bikes that?\" A Moto Guzzi. \"What's that?\" Its Italian.\n-- \n\n\tMark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 852, Annapolis, MD  21402\n\t\t   cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147\n","1764":"From: rosa@ghost.dsi.unimi.it (massimo rossi)\nSubject: 3d studio works changes!!!!\nOrganization: Computer Science Dep. - Milan University\nLines: 28\n\n hi guys\n like all people in this group i'm a fans of fractal and render sw\n my favourite are fractint pov & 3dstudio 2.0 \n now listen my ideas\n i'have just starting now to be able to use 3dstudio quite well\n so i'm simulating a full animation of a f1 grand prix\n unfortanatly just some lap(10?)\n i' m very interested about all kind of .prj .3ds and so on\n concerning about cars or parts of its (motors wheel ...)\n (dxf are good enough)\n does anyone have object to give me to complete my hard animation\n\n\n anyway any exchanges about object material project will\n be VERY APRECIATE!!!!!\n\n is there a ftp site where I can find its?\n\n i' m looking for .pov files too\n (i 'm interested about cpu time comparision rendering images on\n pov & 3dstusio)\n\n thank to all\n\n\n email me at rosa@ghost.sm.dsi.unimi.it\n\n\n","1765":"From: bodom@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Brian Odom)\nSubject: Re: New Uniforms\nArticle-I.D.: usenet.C51vwC.Lru\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 37\nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\n\nIn <1993Apr5.224631.636@Virginia.EDU> tek2q@Virginia.EDU (\"Todd Karlin\") writes:\n\n>\tUsually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor\n>uniform change per season, but the past few seasons have been\n>incredible.\n>\tAny thoughts on the new (old) Reds uniforms.  I\n>remember seeing a Pete Rose rookie card, and unless I miss my\n>guess he was wearing the exact same duds.  \n>\tThe Mets (HOW ABOUT DOC'S PERFORMANCE TODAY?!!!!!) have\n>reinserted the Mets patch on the shoulder, and changed the Mets\n>insgnia on the front of the jersey.  To my knowledge it is the\n>first time that has been changed since 1962, and it reminds me\n>a little of the Dodger logo.  \n\nAs far as I know, Toronto, Pittsburgh, and New York (NL) change their\nuniforms every year.  Every other year (e.g., New York), it will say Mets\nin cursive, New York in cursive, or New York in all caps.  Minor changes,\nbut they do change them often.  Last year, I think they had New York in all\ncaps.  Did Toronto have Blue Jays or Toronto last year?  What about\nPittsburgh?\n\n>\tMany teams have opted for a return to a previous style\n>of uniform, or at least uniforms that look more traditional.\n>(Phillies, Reds, Expos, White Sox, Padres, etc.) and the once\n>bright colors have been altered to gray.  The trend has also\n>seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the\n>early years, as opposed to the cookie-cutter saucer stadiums\n>construcrted throughout the sixties.\n\nI hate the gray.  They should opt for more color (like the White Sox).\nI hate white team versus gray team.  Spring training uniforms look much\nbetter.\n\n>\tWith salaries now reaching unbelievable highs, no one\n>in the comissioner's office, and inter-league play on the\n>horizon, it's nice to see that baseball at least looks like it\n>was meant to be. \n","1766":"From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)\nSubject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!\nLines: 22\n\nSender: \nReply-To: harmons@gyro.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)\nDistribution: \nOrganization: \/usr\/ens\/etc\/organization\nKeywords: \n\n\n>>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but\n>>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money\n>>: down a rathole.\n\n>>let my current membership lapse when it's\n>>up for renewal.\n\n>In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any\n>hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.  (And\n>preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.)\n\nBecome an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal\ndriver\/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart\nand get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships.\n","1767":"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 22\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\nKeywords: Nata thing !!\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:\n\n> > THIS IS GENOCIDAL MASS-SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN!\n\n> Is this guy serious????\n\n> If he would ever really pay attention to the news (oops I forgot that the media\n>    for the most part loves to jump right on top of a story before all the facts \n>    are known, as well as to manipulate what we see and thus what we believe). \n\n>    Besides, a majority of \n>    these children were children that he was supposed to have been the father of,\n>    this then makes them bastard children to a sacraligious zeloit (sp). \n\nOh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right.\n\nYou sick bastard.\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n","1768":"From: marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU)\nSubject: Re: The source of that announcement\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: oliver.mit.edu\nIn-reply-to: tcmay@netcom.com's message of Sun, 18 Apr 1993 08:17:28 GMT\n\nIn article <tcmayC5o715.Mrs@netcom.com> tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes:\n\n   I know that at least one person on that list says the first he heard\n   of Clipper was in the Friday morning newspaper! And another has\n   already fired off a letter of protest to NIST.\n\n   My point? I suspect this list, interesting as it is for various\n   reasons, does not represent the cabal that put this proposal together.\n   Some of them, yes. Others, no. \n\nI received mail from Mitch Kapor saying that he did not ask to be on\nthe list, and does not know why he was added.  I'm sure the same\napplies to others on the list.  So, I guess my initial theory was\nright, that the clipper list was just someone's idea of a bad joke.  I\nguess I should be happy it wasn't a conspiracy.\n\n\t\tMarc\n--\nMarc Horowitz N1NZU <marc@mit.edu>\t\t\t\t617-253-7788\n","1769":"From: collins@well.sf.ca.us (Steve Collins)\nSubject: Re: Orbital RepairStation\nNntp-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us\nOrganization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link\nLines: 29\n\n\nThe difficulties of a high Isp OTV include:\nLong transfer times (radiation damage from VanAllen belts for both\n the spacecraft and OTV\nArcjets or Xenon thrusters require huge amounts of power so you have\nto have either nuclear power source (messy, dangerous and source of\nradiation damage) or BIG solar arrays (sensitive to radiation, or heavy)\nthat make attitude control and docking a big pain.\n\nIf you go solar, you have to replace the arrays every trip, with\ncurrent technology. Nuclear power sources are strongly restricted\nby international treaty.\n\nRefueling (even for very high Isp like xenon) is still required and]\nturn out to be a pain.\n\nYou either have to develop autonomous rendezvous or long range teleoperation\nto do docking or    ( and refueling) .\n\nYou still can't do much plane change because the deltaV required is so high!\n\nThe Air Force continues to look at doing things this way though. I suppose\nthey are biding their time till the technology becomes available and\nthe problems get solved.  Not impossible in principle, but hard to\ndo and marginally cheaper than one shot rockets, at least today.\n\nJust a few random thoughts on high Isp OTV's. I designed one once...\n\n                          Steve Collins\n","1770":"From: webb@itu1 (90-29265  Webber  AH)\nSubject: Re: Adcom cheap products?\nOrganization: Rhodes University, Grahamstown, South Africa\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 52\n\nAaron Lung (alung@megatest.com) wrote:\n: >I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east\n: >  or where-ever.  But if you look in the amp and see what components\n: >  they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the\n: >  amplifiers sound so brilliant.\n\n: Good point...also, I wouldn't be surprised that the components\n: they use off-shore are of inferior quality.  As long as it was\n: properly designed and robust, premium components are used, it\n: shouldn't matter where it is assembled.\n\nDefinately, I agree wholeheartedly.  If they can build the amp where\n  the labour is not so expensive, they can afford to put decent\n  components in and go to more effort to improve the design of the\n  amplifier - as Adcom has done.\n\n: >I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with\n: >  those quality components inside.  Sure the amp runs very fairly\n: >  hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good.\n\n: An amp that runs hot has no bearing on how it's gonna sound.\n: The amp you have probably is running Class-A the whole day.\n\n: Actually, I'd be wary of excessively hot amps, 'cauz even though\n: the components inside may be rated to run that way, excessive \n: heat will dramatically shorten the life of *any* electronic component\n: regardless of quality.  In fact, an amp that does run hot to the touch is\n: because either the engineer or manufacturer of that amp wanted\n: to skimp on heatsinking or cooling to save costs!  Hmmmmm....\n\nSure, I didn't mean to imply that because of the heat generated, the\n  amp sounds good.  My Adcom GFP 535II runs fairly warm - not hot to\n  the touch - but enough to satisfy me that the amp is running nicely.\nI don't like it when an amp runs dead-cold.  It makes one think that\n  the amp is doing nothing :)\nThe heatsinks that Adcom uses in their amps are certainly far for\n  skimpy - they're massive things with heating vents both below\n  and above.  More than enough to carry away excessive heat.\n\nMy opinions once again.\n\n--\n***********************************************************************\n**    Alan Webber                                                    **\n**                      webb@itu1.sun.ac.za                          **\n**                      webb@itu2.sun.ac.za                          **\n**                                                                   **\n** The path you tread is narrow and the drop is sheer and very high  **\n** The ravens all are watching from a vantage point near by          **\n** Apprehension creeping like a choo-train up your spine             **\n** Will the tightrope reach the end; will the final couplet rhyme    **\n***********************************************************************\n","1771":"From: rdi@cci632.cci.com (Rick Inzero)\nSubject: Drafting Machine for sale\nOrganization: [Computer Consoles, Inc., Rochester, NY\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 17\n\nFor sale:  Precision drafting machine, Bruning OGP-0180.  Solid\nolder model with spring-loaded counter balance; clamps on table.  Without\nscales.  For right handed person.  $60\/make offer, includes UPS\/parcel post \npostage.\n\nI'm guessing that it's from the 1940s or 1950s, a period well known for \nexcellent drafting machine construction! :-)\nIt's built with real metal parts, not cheap modern plastic, and it's painted \nthe typical office grey popular in that period.  It's smooth working, and \neach of the two \"arms\" on it measures roughly 24\".  It has a dual clamp to \nenable you to clamp it on the edge or corner of a table.\n\n---\nRick Inzero\t\t\t\t        rochester!cci632!rdi\nNorthern Telecom, LTD       \t\t\tuunet!ccicpg!cci632!rdi\nRochester, NY\t\t\t\t\trdi@cci.com\n\n","1772":"From: eeerik@cc.newcastle.edu.au\nSubject: Color palette for 256 color VGA rainbow\nOrganization: University of Newcastle, AUSTRALIA\nLines: 11\n\nDoes anybody out there have or know how to calculate the RGB values \nrequired to set the 256 color VGA palette so that the colors from \n0..255 will give 256 colors  of the rainbow ie red, orange, \nyellow, etc.\n\nAny help would be appreciated. Please email to eeerik@cc.newcastle.edu.au\n\nErik de Castro Lopo,\nDept. Electrical & Computer Eng.,\nUni. of Newcastle,\nAustralia.\n","1773":"From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)\nSubject: Re: sex education\nOrganization: Microsoft Corporation\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <Apr.7.23.20.08.1993.14209@athos.rutgers.edu> mprc@troi.cc.rochester.edu (M. Price) writes:\n>In <Apr.5.23.31.32.1993.23904@athos.rutgers.edu> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:\n>\n>> Method                  Expected         Actual \n>> ------                 Failure Rate    Failure Rate\n>> Abstinence                 0%              0% \n>\n>\n>    These figures don't seem to take account of rape. Or is a woman who\n>is raped considered not to have been abstaining?\n\nI no longer have the textbook, but abstinence was defined as something\nlike \"no contact between the penis and the vagina, vulva, or area \nimmediately surrounding the vulva, and no transfer of semen to the\nvagina, vulva, or area surrounding the vulva\".  \n\nThat is, abstinence wasn't discussed as \"sex outside of marriage is\nmorally wrong\" but as keep  the sperm away from the ovum and conception \nis impossible. The moral question I recall the teacher asking was,\n\"is it okay to create a child if you aren't able to be a good parent\nyet?\"\n\n-jen\n\n-- \n\n#include <stdisclaimer>  \/\/  jenk@microsoft.com  \/\/ msdos testing\n","1774":"From: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)\nSubject: Re: Help building X11R5 with gcc\nKeywords: X11R5, gcc\nNntp-Posting-Host: eos6c02.ericsson.se\nReply-To: etxmesa@eos.ericsson.se (Michael Salmon)\nOrganization: Ericsson Telecom AB\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.024257.8480@etrog.se.citri.edu.au>\ntim@kimba.catt.citri.edu.au (Tim Liddelow) writes:\n|> Can people please send me any hints on building X11R5 with gcc 2.3.3 ?  Is\n|> there any pitfalls to be avoided ?  Any hints ?  I would appreciate hearing other\n|> peoples' stories on this.\n\nI have been building X11 with gcc since 2.1 and the only time I had\ntrouble was when the position independant code option broke (so I\ncouldn't use gcc to build Sun shared libraries). The important thing to\ndo is to follow the tips given in the gcc release. Gcc generates code\nthat requires libgcc2 and you should take that into account when\ndeciding which compiler to use for the libraries.\n\n-- \n\nMichael Salmon\n\n#include\t<standard.disclaimer>\n#include\t<witty.saying>\n#include\t<fancy.pseudo.graphics>\n\nEricsson Telecom AB\nStockholm\n","1775":"From: ado@quince.bbn.com (Buz Owen)\nSubject: Performa 450 internal modem?\nLines: 10\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: quince.bbn.com\n\nI hear that the Performa 450 is really an LCIII with an internal modem.  Can\nthe modem part be obtained and installed in an LCIII?  It would be nice if it\nwere actually a powerbook internal modem, but that might be too much to hope\nfor.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","1776":"From: nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu (David Nye)\nSubject: Re: Krillean Photography\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire\nLines: 21\n\n[reply to todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey)]\n \n>I think that's the correct spelling..\n \nKirilian.\n \n>The picture will show energy patterns or spikes around the object\n>photographed, and depending on what type of object it is, the spikes or\n>energy patterns will vary. One might extrapolate here and say that this\n>proves that every object within the universe (as we know it) has its\n>own energy signature.\n \nThere turned out to be a very simple, conventional explanation for the\nphenomenon.  I can't recall the details, but I believe it had to do with\nthe object between the plates altering the field because of purely\nmechanical properties like capacitance.  The \"aura\" was caused by direct\nexposure of the film from variations in field strength.\n \nDavid Nye (nyeda@cnsvax.uwec.edu).  Midelfort Clinic, Eau Claire WI\nThis is patently absurd; but whoever wishes to become a philosopher\nmust learn not to be frightened by absurdities. -- Bertrand Russell\n","1777":"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nNntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA\nLines: 66\n\nIn article <1qqv7k$e5g@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:\n>In a previous article, callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison) says:\n>>In article <1qn4ev$3g2@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer) writes:\n>>>In a previous article, wrat@unisql.UUCP (wharfie) says:\n>>>\n>>>>\tThat shows how much you know about anything.  The brakes on the\n>>>>SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around,\n>>>>vented in front.  The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, \n>>>>drums rear.\n>>>\n>>>one i saw had vented rears too...it was on a lot.\n>>>of course, the sales man was a fool...\"titanium wheels\"..yeah, right..\n>>>then later told me they were \"magnesium\"..more believable, but still\n>>>crap, since Al is so m uch cheaper, and just as good....\n>>>\n>>>i tend to agree, tho that this still doesn't take the SHO up to \"standard\"\n>>>for running 130 on a regular basis.  The brakes should be bigger, like\n>>>11\" or so...take a look at the  ones on the Corrados.(where they have\n>>>braking regulations).\n>>\n>>Well, let's see...my T-Bird SC has a computer-controlled adjustable\n>>suspension, 4-wheel ABS disks (11\" vented front, 10\" (?) rear), 3-point\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t^^^^\n\t\t\t\t\t\tRears also vented\n\n>>belts, sturdy passenger compartment, aerodynamics good enough for \n>>NASCAR without too much change, 210 hp\/310 ft-lb supercharged 3.8l V6,\n>>4-wheel independent suspension (plus limited-slip differential), with \n>>a top speed in excess of 130mph, and rides on V-rated tires (I have yet\n>>to find 225\/60-R16s in any other speed rating). \n>>\n>>Is that \"up to standard\"? If not, why not?\n>\n>james, i really hate to do this, but try reading the damn posts!\n\nThen you shouldn't've done it. Try answering the damn question.\nI am well aware of the fact that there was no mention of the SC\nin there.\n\n>never was a t'bird mentioned.  The discussion was about SHO's and\n>'stangs not being up to spec.  I do not know about t'birds.  I\n>only know that the specs quoted for the SHO by previous poster sounded\n>a little anemic for me to say that it was up to snuff.  This does not\n>kn any way  disencourage* me from wishing to own one, nor does it make it\n>a bad car.  It merely means that i think Ford could have added that extra\n>bit of safety  and tossed in larger brakes, as the wheels are plenty large\n>enough for them to fit (if memory serves right, which it may very well not)\n>and the motor plenty powerful enough to need it.\n\nWell, my point was that the SC and the SHO both have very similar\ncharacteristics (front and rear disks (ABS on the SHO?), high output\nV6, 4-wheel independent suspension, very good aerodynamics, 3-point\nharness, fat rubber, and 130mph+ top speed). If one of them is \nup to standard (and I think the SC is), but the other isn't, then\nwhy is that? No flamage, just curiousity.\n\n\n\t\t\t\tJames\n\nJames P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center \nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   \/\\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu   \nDISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC\n   \"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has \n\tand all he's ever gonna have.\" \n\t\t\t--Will Munny, \"Unforgiven\"\n","1778":"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)\nSubject: Re: Drinking and Riding\nOrganization: Manes and Associates, NYC\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 17\n\nNorman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote:\n:  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after\n: you \"feel\" sober? What? Or should I just work with \"If I drink tonight, I\n: don't ride until tomorrow\"?\n\nIt depends on how badly you want to live.  The FAA says \"eight hours, bottle\nto throttle\" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours.  The FARs specify\na blood\/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than\ntwice as strict as DWI minimums.\n\nBTW, alcohol metabolizes in your blood at a fixed rate -- one beer\/hour will\nkeep your blood\/alcohol level barely street-legal.  Coffee, hyperventilation\nand other bar tricks won't speed it up nor will they fool Mr. Ranger.\n-- \nStephen Manes\t\t\t\t\t   manes@magpie.linknet.com\nManes and Associates\t\t\t\t   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o\n\n","1779":"From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)\nSubject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for MC B\nNntp-Posting-Host: harley.tti.com\nOrganization: Black Belt Motorcyclists Association\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <5967@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:\n+\n+I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles\n+from any place that i want to go to.\n\nMany private places ban bikes.  For example, the famous 17 mile\ndrive at the Monterrey Peninsula.  And I have stayed at resorts\nthat sported a \"No motorcycles allowed\" sign at the entrance.\n\nAnd there have been public places.  Call the AMA and ask for\nJim Bensberg (sp?) or any one else in their Legislative Office.\nThey will recound the many public places that they had to bring\nto court to reverse their ban on bikes.  That includes everything\nfrom public parks to full cities.  There are probably a few fights\non their books as we now speak.  That is another good reason to\ndonate to their legislative fund.\n____________________________________________________________________________\n   Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired  -- R. Geis\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n   Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2\n  KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)\n            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA\n","1780":"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)\nSubject: Re: DEC pixmap size\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de\n\n\nIn article <1964@igd.fhg.de>, haase@igd.fhg.de (Helmut Haase (Goebel)) writes:\n\n|> I've got a problem concerning the maximum size of X pixmaps in DECwindows.\n|> \n|> I am using a DECstation 5000\/200 running ULTRIX V4.2 (Rev. 96) System #2\n|> and UWS V4.2 (Rev. 272) (DECwindows). Our color display has 1280x1024\n|> pixels.\n|> \n|> \n|> On other hardware (HP, SGI) I am able to allocate much larger pixmaps.\n|> \n|> Did anyone have similar problems before or does onyone know how I can\n|> configre my system to allow for larger pixmaps?\n|> \n|> Any suggestins are welcome. Please send mail to \" haase@igd.fhg.de \".\n|> \n\nDEC does this only for their PX and PXG servers, known as 3D accelerators.\nThis boards have local offscreen memory which is limited and slow to\nhandle, thus they set this limit.\n\n--\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n| o |                \\\\\\-  Brain Inside -\/\/\/                       | o |\n| o |                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                           | o |\n| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n","1781":"From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)\nSubject: Re: Riceburner Respect\nOrganization: Office of 'Tude Licensing\nNntp-Posting-Host: binky\nLines: 8\n\nIn article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com>, hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:\n> >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each\n>        ^^^^^^\n>     excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.\n\nedu-breaths with more riceburner than brain...\n\n- Roid\n","1782":"From: sat@eng.tridom.com (Stephen Thomas)\nSubject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ?\nNntp-Posting-Host: nut.eng.tridom.com\nReply-To: sat@eng.tridom.com\nOrganization: AT&T Tridom\nLines: 42\n\nIn article 12328@ucsu.Colorado.EDU, gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV\/MC) writes:\n>kasajian@netcom.com (Kenneth Kasajian) writes:\n>\n>>wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Oliver Kretzschmar) writes:\n>\n>\n>\n>>>   Hey,\n>\n>>>   could somebody tell me, how it is possible to work with the mouse\n>>>   in a NON-Windows application, which runs in an window. We use\n>>>   MS-WINDOWS 3.1 and have CLIPPER applications. Exists there any\n>>>   routines or something else ? Please mail me your informations.\n>\n>>>   Thanks for your efforts,\n>\n>>>     Oliver\n>>>-- \n>>> NAME : O.Kretzschmar                      Inst.IKE \/ University Stuttgart\n>>> PHONE: +49 711 685 2130                           Pfaffenwaldring 31\n>>> FAX  : +49 711 685 2010                            7000 Stuttgart 80\n>>> EMAIL: wnkretz@ikesg1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de\n>\n>>Very simple.  You have to have the MOUSE.COM or MOUSE.SYS loaded in DOS\n>>before you run Windows.  Note that you don't need to have these files loaded\n>>to use the mouse in Windows.\n>\n>One addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody.  For my\n>(Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the\n>driver that came with Windows (Version 8.20).  8.1 didn't allow me to do\n>it for some reason.\n>\n\nI could never find the Microsoft mouse driver on my Windows 3.1 installation\ndisks, but DOS 6.0 also has version 8.20 of MOUSE.COM.\n\n\n---\n\nStephen Thomas   AT&T Tridom   (404-514-3522)\nemail: sat@eng.tridom.com, attmail!tridom!sat\n\n","1783":"From: bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de (Uwe Bonnes)\nSubject: Re: Sunrise\/ sunset times\nOrganization: LTE, University of Erlangen, Germany\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: aladin.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de\nLines: 15\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.141824.23536@cbis.ece.drexel.edu>, jpw@cbis.ece.drexel.edu (Joseph Wetstein) asked:\n|> \n|> Hello. I am looking for a program (or algorithm) that can be used\n|> to compute sunrise and sunset times.\n|> \n|> I would appreciate any advice.\n|> \n|> Joe Wetstein\n|> jpw@coe.drexel.edu\n\nTo compute this, and many other astronomical things, go and get (x)ephem written\nby Elwood C. Downey. It is e.g. on export.lcs.mit.edu\n\nUwe Bonnes  bon@lte.e-technik.uni-erlangen.de\n","1784":"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)\nSubject: Re: Adult Chicken Pox\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu\n\nIn article <C5pM3o.BDo@feenix.metronet.com> marcbg@feenix.metronet.com\n (Marc Grant) writes:\n>all over my bod.  At what point am I no longer infectious?  My physician's\n>office says when they are all scabbed over.  Is this true?\n\nYes.\n\n>Is there any medications which can promote healing of the pox?  Speed up\n>healing?\n\nAcyclovir started in the first 1-2 days probably speeds recovery and\ndecreases the formation of new pox.\n-- \nDavid Rind\nrind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu\n","1785":"From: nick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de (   Nikan B Firoozye )\nSubject: Re: Sunrise\/ sunset times\nOrganization: Applied Math, University of Bonn, Germany\nLines: 15\n\nA related question (which I haven't given that much serious thought \nto): at what lattitude is the average length of the day (averaged \nover the whole year) maximized? Is this function a constant=\n12 hours? Is it truly symmetric about the equator? Or is\nthere some discrepancy due to the fact that the orbit is elliptic\n(or maybe the difference is enough to change the temperature and\nmake the seasons in the southern hemisphere more bitter, but\nis far too small to make a sizeable difference in daylight\nhours)?\n\nI want to know where to move.\n\n\t-Nick Firoozye\n\tnick@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de\n\n","1786":"From: mark@fenris.albany.edu (Mark Steinberger)\nSubject: Re: More on ADL spying case\nOrganization: State University of New York at Albany\nLines: 6\n\nI don't think Yigal and his friends have had as much fun for years,\nif ever, as they're getting over this ADL business.\n\nThe publicity is likely to generate some speaker's fees, too. \n\n--Mark\n","1787":"From: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe (Dwight Tuinstra)\nSubject: (new) reason for Clipper alg'm secrecy\nReply-To: tuinstra@signal.ece.clarkson.edu.soe\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 38\nNntp-Posting-Host: signal.ece.clarkson.edu\n\n[Apologies for not posting to alt.clipper, or whatever, but it seems it\nmay not be in the newsfeed here.]\n\nThere may be another reason (good from NSA's point of view, horrible\nfrom everyone else's) why the algorithm\/chip design might be secret.\n\nFirst, note that the \"experts\" will only look at \"details\", and of just \nthe algorithm:\n\n    In addition, respected experts from outside the\n    government will be offered access to the confidential details of\n    the algorithm to assess its capabilities and publicly report\n    their findings.\n\nWhy not the chip design?  Well, here's the possiblity:  in addition to\nencryption, the chip pre-processes voice signals to make them easier\nto analyze\/transcribe electronically.  The chip, once widespread, might\neffectively be part of a massively parallel computer for \"voice-\ngrepping\" the US phone network (or the criminal & wrong-thinking patrons\nthereof).\n\nI wouldn't put it past the NSA.  Think how much easier it would make life\nfor them.\n\nAnd if this is indeed the case, think of the possible public outcry should\nit become widely known.  Thus the secrecy.\n\nIt might be a good idea to have experts in DSP, voice recognition, and\nAI conversation-understanding to be on that panel, and insist they be\ngiven (authenticatable) design specs and implementation documentation.\n\n+========================================================================+\n|  dwight tuinstra             best:  tuinstra@sandman.ece.clarkson.edu  |\n|                         tolerable:  tuinstrd@craft.camp.clarkson.edu   |\n|                                                                        |\n|           Look out, kid, it's something that you did.                  |\n|           God knows when, but you're doin' it again ...                |\n+========================================================================+\n","1788":"Subject: Re: Young Catchers\nFrom: rsmith@strobe.ATC.Olivetti.Com (Russ Smith)\nOrganization: Olivetti ATC; Cupertino CA, USA\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <mssC52qMx.768@netcom.com> mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) writes:\n>Now, Keith Mitchell.  As I recall (no stat books handy - surprise!)\n>he jumped from AA to Atlanta in 1991.  He did so well that he was\n>returned to the minors, where he didn't do very well at all.  Now\n>his career is in jeopardy.  So how does he fit in with your \n>point.  Good MLE's in AA.  Moved him right to the big club.  Now\n>he's one step away from being traded or moved out of baseball.\n>Duh.\n\nMethinks you recall wrong. Mitchell hit close to .300 in Atlanta and \ncontinued to walk alot after his promotion. He was then (I think) left\noff the playoff roster, and started the next year in the minors where\neven the Braves will tell you he underperformed because he was so mad\nat going back down. \n\nhe struggled last year, no doubt, but even the Braves blamed part of it\non the demotion. I'd much rather have Mitchell than say Mark Whiten on\nthe Cards.\n\n\n\n\nRuss Smith\n*******************************************************************************\n\"I don't know anything about X's, but I know about some O.\"              \n                  George Gervin on being an assistant coach\n********************************************************************************\n","1789":"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)\nSubject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 13\n\nnielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:\n\n>Did I do the right thing?\n\nDenmark, eh?  Should have taken a short sword and cleaved his car\nin half.  Since I assume you didn't have a short sword on you,\nI certainly have no problems with your choice of substitute action.\n\n< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >\n<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >\n<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >\n<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >\n\n","1790":"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)\nSubject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!\nNntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com\nOrganization: Bellcore\nLines: 57\n\nIn article <speedy.147@engr.latech.edu>, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy\nMercer) writes:\n|> I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a\n|> Yamaha\n|> 750 Twin (A.K.A. \"the vibrating tank\") when I heard a wierd noise off\n|> to my \n|> left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot\n|> and \n|> jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the\n|> left \n|> side.  When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it\n|> was not \n|> there!  I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I\n|> had been \n|> hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage!  This hubcap\n|> weighed \n|> about 4-5 pounds!  The impact had bent the left peg flat against the\n|> frame \n|> and tweeked the shifter in the process.  Had I not heard the\n|> approaching \n|> cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot.\n|> \n|> Anyone else had this sort of experience?\n|> \n\n  Not with a hub cap but one of those \"Lumber yard delivery\ntrucks\" made life interesting when he hit a 'dip' in the road\nand several sheets of sheetrock and a dozen 5 gallon cans of\nspackle came off at 70 mph. It got real interesting for about\n20 seconds or so. Had to use a wood mallet to get all the dried\nspackle off Me, the Helmet and the bike when I got home. Thanks \nto the bob tail Kenworth between me and the lumber truck I had\na \"Path\" to drive through he made with his tires (and threw up\nthe corresponding monsoon from those tires as he ran over\nwhat ever cans of spackle didn't burst in impact). A car in\nfront of me in the right lane hit her brakes, did a 360 and\nnailed a bridge abutment half way through the second 360.\n\nThe messiest time was in San Diego in 69' was on my way\nback to the apartment in ocean beach on my Sportster and\nhad just picked up a shake, burger n fries from jack in\nthe box and stuffed em in my foul weather jacket when the\nmilk shake opened up on Nimitz blvd at 50 mph, nothing\nlike the smell of vanilla milk shake cooking on the\nengine as it runs down your groin and legs and 15 people\nwaiting in back of you to make the same left turn you are.\n-- \n##########################################################\nThere are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES \n                 and TARGETS !!!\n#1\/XS1100LH\tDoD #956   #2 Next raise\nRichard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063\nInternet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  \n#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!\nI Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo\nin the same store.\n\n","1791":"From: hagenjd@wfu.edu (Jeff Hagen)\nSubject: BMW's new plant in Greer, SC\nOrganization: Wake Forest University\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ac.wfunet.wfu.edu\n\n\nIs anyone reading this message involved with the new BMW plant?\n(does BMW corporate even have a net-connection?)\n\ndesperately seeking info,\nJeff Hagen\nhagenjd@ac.wfu.edu\n\n","1792":"From: umsoroko@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Michael Sorokowski)\nSubject: Request info on floptical drives.\nKeywords: floptical,mac,drives\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada\nLines: 20\n\nI'm considering adding a floptical drive to my current system.\n\nWhat I would like to know is which floptical drives are recommended for\ntheir quality and performance.\n\nMy preference would be floptical drives capable of handling both 800k and\n1.4k floppies, but handling 800k floppies is not a necessity.\n\nSo far, I only know a bit about the Iomega floptical and the Infinity\nfloptical drives.  Are there any comments\/recommendations for either of these?\n\nAre there any other floptical drives that are worth looking into and where\ncan they be purchased (i.e. which mail order places, etc).\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nPlease send replies directly to umsoroko@ccu.umanitoba.ca\n\n----\nMike Sorokowski\t\t(umsoroko@ccu.umanitoba.ca)\n","1793":"From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno )\nSubject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin\nReply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 14\n\n[4) \"Nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]\" (Rev. 21.27). Therefore,\nbabies are born in such a state that should they die, they are cuf off\nfrom God and put in hell, which is exactly the doctrine of St. Augustine\nand St. Thomas.  Of coures, having only original sins on thier souls,\nthey suffer the lightest punishment, the loss of the vision oand\npresence of God, but that does not change the undeniable fact that they\ncannot possibly come to a forgivenss of original sin, nor can they\ninherit eternal life.  \"That,\" as St. Augustine said, \"Is what the\nPelagian heretics taught.\"  Which is why he said later, \"If you want to\nbe a Christian, do not teach that unbaptized infants can come to a\nforgivenss of original sin.\"]\n\nDoesn't the Bible say that God is a fair god?  If this is true, how can this\npossibly be fair to the infants?\n","1794":"From: 35002_4401@uwovax.uwo.ca\nSubject: How is a Loopback connector made?\nOrganization: University of Western Ont, London\nNntp-Posting-Host: hydra.uwo.ca\nLines: 9\n\nI need to know the Pins to connect to make a loopback connector for a serial\nport so I can build one.  The loopback connector is used to test the \nserial port.\n\nThanks for any help.\n\n\nSteve\n\n","1795":"From: sherwood@adobe.com (Geoffrey Sherwood)\nSubject: Orchid P9000 vs Fahrenheit (mini review)\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 79\n\n\nI just purchased a Viewsonic 17 and and Orchid P9000.  In short, I am happy\nwith the monitor and unhappy with the card.  I have spent a lot more time\nfutzing with the card, so that is what I am going to write about.  The monitor\nis pretty.  The moires I had under Simcity on my 17\" Magnavox went away.  It\nisn't as heavy as I thought it would be (45 lbs, I think).  So much for the\nmonitor.  On to the bitch session and test results.\n\nIn going with the modern trend, the Orchid P9000 card only supports 16 colors\nin 640x480 mode without a driver.  Of course, this breaks any DOS program\nwhich uses SVGA modes (like most of my CD-ROMs).  The Compudyne Whiplash VGA,\nOrchid Fahrenheit 1280, and Orchid F. VLB all share this limitation.  Those\nare all S3 cards, which means it is an S3 problem for them (the P9000 uses\na Weitek VGA chip which also doesn't support them).  The Hercules Graphite\ncard does seem to have these modes, but I didn't run the same test cases as\nI did on the other boards during the brief time I had it.  It was able to\nprint the splash screen for the Grolier's Encyclopedia, though, which the S3\ncards just printed as hash, which is why I suspect the SVGA modes are supported.\n\nThe supported resolutions really annoy me.  You can do 1280x1024 at 75Hz if\nyou tell the driver you have an NEC 5FG (they only have about six monitors\nlisted plus 'Generic', and if you choose Generic you can't get any high\nrefreshes at ALL).  But at 1024x768 you are limited to 70Hz.  Seems to me\nthat the hardware should be able to support the bandwidth (if it can do 75Hz\nat 1280 it sure should be able to do it at 1024!).  Higher vertical resolution\nwas the main reason I bought the card over the Orchid F. VLB I currently have,\nand it will do 1024x768x70 Hz as well.\n\nThe higher graphics modes all crash HP Dashboard.  I just got off the phone\nwith Orchid, and with the 1.1 drivers (I don't know what I have) he was unable\nto recreate the problem.  On the plus side, their tech rep was as helpful as\nhe could be and booted up the program on his computer to verify he didn't have\nthe problem.  He didn't know why they limited the refresh to 70 Hz either.\n\nThe board is faster that the OFVLB for most things according to the Hercules\nSpeedy program. This program tests various operations and reports the results\nin pixels\/second.  I don't have the numbers for the Graphite card, but they\nwere close to half of the OFVLB (ie, slower) but that was running in a 20MHz\n386, ISA, so the numbers aren't really comparable.  The following numbers\nwere all obtained using a 486, 33 MHz, AIR motherboard (UMC chipset), with\n8 MB memory.  I give ranges because the program reports the numbers as it\ncomputes them, and these tend to jump around a bit.\n\n\nK means thousand (not 1024), M means million, pixels per second\n\n             Orchid Fahrenheit VLB                  Orchid P9000\nChip                 S3 805                          Weitek 9000\nDIB to Screen        182K - 190K                     228K - 240K\nMemory to Screen     5.9M - 6.2M                     8.4M - 8.9M\nScreen to Screen     14M - 14.8M                     29M - 30.8M\nVector, solid        2.4M                            2.8M - 2.9M\nVector, styled       55K - 58K                       449K - 473K\nPolygon, shaded      1.8M - 2.1M                     1.6M - 1.9M\nPolygon, hatched     6.9M - 7.9M                     1.3M - 1.7M\nTernary Rops         1.9M - 2.4M                     477K - 520K\nFont                 130K - 160K                     46K - 55K \/ 1.2M\n\nThe DIB to Screen test takes a device independent bitmap of a face and transfers\nit to the screen.  I have no idea what is being done internally as far as\nconversions go.  The memory to screen takes the same face and copies it to\nthe screen, my guess is after it has been rasterized into a bitmap that can\njust be copied to the video display.  The screen to screen test copies that\nface from place to place on the screen.  Awesome!  Interestingly, the solid\nvectors and shaded polygons show no improvement, and hatched polygons (ie,\nfilled with cross-hatching) and Ternary Rops (whatever they are.  Graphics\noperations like XORs maybe????) are a dead loss on the 9000.  I give two\nnumbers for the 9000 fonts, because I think they are caching.\nWhen the fonts are first drawn on the screen they are done fairly slowly --\n1\/3 the speed of the OFVLB.  Then the speed increases dramatically.  Sounds\nlike programming to a benchmark to me....\n\nI make no claims that these numbers mean anything at all.  Its just what\nI saw when I ran them on my computer.  I normally don't write disclaimers,\nbut this time maybe I'd better.  My testing is totally unconnected with my\nwork (I program under UNIX on Decstations) is done completely without the\nknowledge, blessing, or equipment of my company.\n\ngeoff sherwood\n","1796":"From: anisko@usdtsg.DaytonOH.NCR.COM (anisko)\nSubject: Re: Atari Mono and VGA\nReply-To: anisko@usdtsg.UUCP ()\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: NCR Corporation, Dayton\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <19APR199322421085@oregon.uoregon.edu> arosborn@oregon.uoregon.edu (Alan Osborn) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr19.090707.3686@tdb.uu.se>, m88max@tdb.uu.se (Max Brante) writes...\n>>Have anybody succeded in converting a atari monomchrome monitor into a\n>>mono VGA monitor. If so please let me know exactly how you did and what\n>>graphics card you used.\n>I wish I could help!  I posted a similar question about two weeks ago;\n>I got no response at all.  I've asked locally at my friendly Atari store.\n>I was told that it should be possible, but that they had no idea how\n>it might be done.  Nor did they particularly care to investigate.\n>\n>Please, if anyone has _any_ suggestions, post them!\n\n\n   You might try asking on one of the comp.sys.ibm.* echos (the best one\nmay be comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware).  I say this because the conversion\nseems more geared toward a PC user wanting to use that monitor, than\nan Atari user who already can use the monitor (unless maybe they\nwant to really go wild - converting the monitor to VGA, then\nusing it as a VGA monitor with a Falcon :-)\n\n   As for graphics cards, assuming that the Atari monitor can be\nmodified\/adapted to handle VGA signals, you should probably be able\nto use any VGA card (at least with a res around 640x400).  I haven't\ntried this, but that would be my guess...\n\n\t\t\t\tRobert Anisko\n\t\t\t\tanisko@usdtsg.daytonoh.ncr.com\n\n\n...you might want to price mono VGA monitors anyways - it may be cheaper\nto go that route than to do the conversion; besides, with the Falcon and\nbeyond, VGA\/SVGA\/multisync monitors will probably be the way to go...\n\n\n\n","1797":"From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning)\nSubject: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !\nOrganization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nDistribution: na\nLines: 35\n\nClipper Chip is a response to the fact that there is no business\nor professional body in a position to establish a standard and\nprovide chipsets to implement it for analog or digial transmission\nsystems.\n\nRSA might be in position to do it, if they had active cooperation of\na couple of manufacturers of cellular phones or desktop phones.\n\nLarge companies in the voice\/data comm business are out, because they\nall have contracts with the gov which would be used to pressure them.\n\nIf we, as professionals in crypto organizations, EFF, etc. were to\nput our collective minds and interests toward establishing a\ncrypto standard for transmission, and getting our companies to\nimplement it, we might avoid government control.\n\nOtherwise, I think it will happen to us by default.  Gov isn't probably\nstrong enough or foolish enough to prevent strong crypt.  They\nare strong enough, and we may be foolish enough, to push through\nthe Clipper Chip.\n\nIs RSA independt of the gov enough to spearhead this?  I, for one,\nwould *gladly* pay royalties via purchasing secure phones.\n\nIf not this, we should provide an algorithm which can be implemented\nin either SW or HW and publish it, then push to make it the defacto\nstandard in the way that PGP and RIPEM are becoming such.\n\nWe are opposing, charging the bunker.  We should be nimble and clever.\nThe gov is strong, not clever.\n\nLew\n-- \nLew Glendenning\t\trlglende@netcom.com\n\"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points.\"\tNiels Bohr (or somebody like that).\n","1798":"From: srlnjal@grace.cri.nz\nSubject: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL\nOrganization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grv.grace.cri.nz\n\n\nDoes anyone know of software that will allow\nyou to convert CorelDraw (.CDR) files\ncontaining bitmaps to SCODAL, as this is the\nonly format our bureau's filmrecorder recognises.\n\nJeff Lyall\nInst.Geo.Nuc.Sci.Ltd\nLower Hutt New Zealand\n\n","1799":"Subject: insurance question\nFrom: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>\nOrganization: Brigham Young University\nLines: 18\n\nI'm about to buy a new car and finance some of it.  Since I paid\ncash for the last car I bought I did not have to worry about\nwhether or not I had a good amount of insurance on it because\nof a bank loan.  I just put the amount that I wanted (not what\na bank would have wanted).  Friends are telling me that banks\nrequire some kind of insurance on the car to protect it since it\nis collateral on loans.  Is this true?  Can that insurance be\ngotten as part of my other insurance?  I assume I don't have to\npay a dealer for extra insurance over my regular car insurance.\nAm I correct?  I hear about accident\/health type insurance at\nthe dealers and I am pretty sure these are just money makers\nfor them.  I just want to verify that I don't _have_ to buy\nthese at all.  Or any other types of extras.\n\nWhat do I have to pay for?  Car, tax, license.  Anything else?\n\nEllen\n\n","1800":"From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen)\nSubject: Re: All Electronics Press and Peel PCB transfer\nReply-To: ...futserv.austin.ibm.com!rg\nOrganization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations and Systems.\nLines: 12\n\nI think there is a huge difference in the materials and \nprocess for printer\/toner PCB's. I get first time, everytime\nresults from a local HP Postscript, and hardly ever works from\ncopies of the same artwork. The printer results are so good\nthat I have quit even looking for PC board processes. If I had\nto use the copier version, I would think I would look elsewhere.\nThe moral? Experiment and find what works. Toner transfer CAN\ngive excellent results. It, like any process, gives erratic \nresults with variable inputs.\n\nR.G.\n\n","1801":"Subject: Re: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s.\nFrom: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Harding University, Searcy, AR\nNntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu's message of 16 Apr 93 18:57:20 GMTLines: 45\nLines: 45\n\nIn <dlphknob.734986640@camelot> dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu writes:\n\n> In <1993Apr14.101241.476@mtechca.maintech.com> foster@mtechca.maintech.com writes:\n> \n> >I am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior\n> >from the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're-\n> >The-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought \n> >that Catholics behaved better than this.\n> >                                   Please do not stoop to the\n> >level of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think\n> >that the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud,\n> >insulting and overbearingly self-righteous.\n> \n> (Pleading mode on)\n> \n> Please!  I'm begging you!  Quit confusing religious groups, and stop\n> making generalizations!  I'm a Protestant!  I'm an evangelical!  I don't\n> believe that my way is the only way!  I'm not a \"creation scientist\"!  I\n> don't think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails!  \n> \n> If you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling\n> out (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists.  If you\n> compared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern \n> Baptists, you would think that they were different religions!\n> \n[Sarcasm on]\nBe sure we pick on the \"correct groups\" here.  \"Bible thumpers\",\n\"fundamentalists\", and Southern Baptists *deserve* our hasty generalizations\nand prejudicial statements.  Just don't pick on the Presbyterians\nand the Methodists!\n[Sarcasm off] \n> Please, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the\n> same, so please don't write off all Protestants or all evangelicals!\n> \n> (Pleading mode off.)\n> \n> God.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories......\n> --\n> \t\"Fbzr enval jvagre Fhaqnlf jura gurer'f n yvggyr oberqbz, lbh fubhyq\n> nyjnlf pneel n tha.  Abg gb fubbg lbhefrys, ohg gb xabj rknpgyl gung lbh'er \n> nyjnlf znxvat n pubvpr.\"\n> \t\t\t--Yvan Jregzhyyre\n> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\n>         Jemaleddin Sasha David Cole IV - Chief of Knobbery Research\n>                         dlphknob@camelot.bradley.edu\n","1802":"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nLines: 14\n\n\tActually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program\n\tstarted at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology\n\tand Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the\n\tchips is well underway, and so forth.\n\n\tNobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose\n\tto go ahead with it.\n\nPerhaps the NSA realised that *no-one* would even contemplate falling for\nthe dual-escrow bluff while under the Bush administration and *had* to\nwait for a Democrat govt to con into promoting this because people *might*\njust believe they were honest.  (Didn't work, did it? :-) )\n\nG\n","1803":"From: joshuaf@yang.earlham.edu\nSubject: TIFF -> Anything?!\nOrganization: Earlham College, Richmond, Indiana\nLines: 10\n\nAre there any TIFF to anything programs out there for the IBM?\nOur scanner works into TIFF, and I can view it on CSHOW 8.1, but \nall of my other programs read errors.  Are there any basic Tiff to \nJPEG, GIF, PCX, BMP, etc...?\n\nThanks for the time...Email or post acceptable.\nJoshuaf\n\n\"That Geiger scan looks like dookie!\"\n\"I know it's a TIFF!!!!\"\n","1804":"From: Joseph N Hosteny <jh8e+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Electric power line \"balls\"\nOrganization: Freshman, Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 5\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr6.203237.20841@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>\n\n\n    Do you know if there is an airport nearby? They may just be markers\nto tell pilots of small planes that there are power lines nearby.\n\n\/Joe\n","1805":"From: porges@beretta.camb.inmet.com (Don Porges)\nSubject: Re: JFFO has gone a bit too far\nNntp-Posting-Host: beretta\nOrganization: Intermetrics Inc.\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 80\n\n\nHaving read the posted long article by JPFO, I have some observations:\n\n1.  This article does NOT claim that the GCA of 1968 is a \"verbatim \ntranslation\" of a Nazi law.  What it says is that in another place --\nthe book they're talking about -- they compare the two things section\nby section.  The implication is that the similarities are devastating.\nIn the next sentence, they talk about how in that book they reproduce \nthe German text of the Nazi law, together with its translation.  Not \nsurprisingly, a reader could easily conflate these two things into a \nsingle idea:  that the American GCA is a literal translation of the Nazi\nlaw; and sure enough, that's what the whole thing has mutated into, \nurban-folklore style.\n\n2.  The article goes to great pains to establish that Senator Dodd had a \ncopy of the Nazi law, either from his time on the Nurnberg prosecution \nteam or later.  This fact is considered highly incriminating, but I don't \nunderstand why.  The author repeats several times that he is simply unable \nto imagine how anyone could come into possession of the original text; and \nyet in a paragraph towards the end, he explains it perfectly:\n\n\"If Dodd got his copy of the original German text of the Nazi Weapons\nLaw during his time at Nurnberg, it likely was part of a collection of\ndocuments, for example, issues of the Reichsgesetzblatt [the German\nlaw registry].\"\n\nBingo.  Exactly.  \n\nDodd had a *book*, with a series of Nazi laws in it, including the one\nunder discussion.  All of the stuff about \"Why would a U.S. congressman\nhave a copy of a Nazi law?\" melts away, by the author's admission.  He\nthen continues:  \"But if he acquired the original German text of the \nNazi Weapons Law after his service at Nurnberg, he must have done so \nfor a very specific reason...\"  But there's absolutely no reason to \nthink that this is the case.  In fact, as a \"senior member of the U.S. \nteam that helped to prosecute Nazi war criminals\", it seems to me that\nhe would have *had* to have a copy.  All arguments about whether \nthe Nazi Weapon Law is really of historical interest (as it obviously\nis, certainly according to the author here), or whether Dodd personally\nprosecuted the Interior Minister who signed it, can be put aside as red \nherrings.\n\n3.  Having established that Dodd owned a copy of the original German text, the\nJPFO article then tries to draw sinister implications from the fact that he \nasked to have it translated.  The problem is, in the context of the charge \nlevelled at Dodd, these two things work *against* each other.  People ask \nto have things translated when they *don't know what they mean*.  If Dodd \ntook it upon himself to preserve the Nazi law with idea of someday introducing \nit into American law, surely by 1968 he would have know what it *meant*, \nwouldn't he?\n    Anyway, this precise charge -- the main one that I questioned in an earlier\nposting -- is just silly.  Why would Dodd need the exact translation for this\npurpose?  Is the idea that the gun controllers, despite being presumably bent\non disarming the populace with the goal of eventually destroying all civil\nliberties, needed a crib sheet?  Didn't they have any idea how to do it\non their own?\n    Once again, the author provides a perfectly acceptable answer to his\nown question: \"Dodd may have offered his copy of the Nazi Weapons Law\nto show that the specific proposal did not resemble anything in the \nNazi law.\"  In fact, since the law and its translation *were* entered\ninto the Congressional Record, under the heading of documents \"concerning\nthe history of Nazism and gun confiscation\", Dodd's motivation isn't a \nmystery:  he asked for the translation in order to put it in the CR.\n\n4.  Even this article makes it clear that the part of the Nazi law that\nwas added *by* the Nazi regime is only a small part of that law.  \nRegistration of guns, for instance, was begun in 1928, and thus NOT\na \"Nazi-inspired\" idea.  The parts of the Nazi law that parallel the \n1968 GCA include handgun control of some sort, and the identification \nof certain weapons as sporting weapons.  The JPFO then goes on to list \nother parts of the Nazi law, forbidding ownership of weapons by Jews;\nof course, there are no such provisions in the American GCA.  Nevertheless,\nin a rhetorical move guaranteed to muddy the waters, immediately after the \ndiscussion of the anti-Jewish parts of the law, the JPFO article continues, \n\"Given the parallels between the Nazi Weapons Law and the GCA'68...\" -- so \nas to get maximum emotional mileage out of that aspect of the law.\n-- \n\t\t\t\t\t-- Don Porges\n\t\t\t\t\tporges@inmet.camb.inmet.com\n\t\t\t\t\t..uunet!inmet!porges\n","1806":"From: johnr@col.hp.com (John T. Rasper)\nSubject: ADCOM GTP500II IR sensor & repeater spec's?\nOrganization: HP Colorado Springs Division\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hplsdvf.col.hp.com\n\nDoes anyone know the details of the interface (5 wire din) for the\nIR remote sensor & (2 wire IR repeater) for the ADCOM GTP-500II\npreamp?  The ADCOM part numbers are the XR-500II, SPM-500II, and \nIRA-500II.\n\nA cursory physical examination of the pre-amp connector indicates\nthat the connector (5 pin din) may provide: (Viewed from connector front)\n\n      |\n   5     1     (pin ?) +?v @ ???mA\n    4   2      (pin ?) +\/-?v @ ???mA\n      3        (pin 3) Signal Ground\n               (pin ?) Demodulated signal ?V-pp, ? polarity, ? mA drive\n               (pin ?) Signal to drive repeater LED (drives through 150ohm\n                       resistor) ?V-pp\n\nI assume that the repeater connectors (mini-plugs) drive the IR repeater\nLED's directly.  True?\n\nCan anyone fill in the ?'s.  Thanks.\n\n--\nJohn Rasper                         Hewlett-Packard COL\njohnr@col.hp.com                    P.O. Box 2197\n(719) 590-5895                      Colorado Springs, CO 80901-2197\n","1807":"From: ssave@ole.cdac.com (The Devil Reincarnate)\nSubject: Quick question\nKeywords: Removing panels.\nOrganization: CDAC, WA\nLines: 9\n\n How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside\non an '87 Honda Prelude?  The speaker went scratchy, and I want\nto access its pins.\n\n I see only one press button and the rest is snug fit.\n\n\n -S\n ssave@ole.cdac.com\n","1808":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Re: Armenian killings in Kelbadjar ( Azerbadjan ) continues.....\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.064028.24746@kth.se> hilmi-er@dsv.su.se (Hilmi Eren) writes:\n\n>Armenian killings in Kelbadjar ( Azerbadjan ) continues, Armenian\n>attackers continues it's attack against Kelbadjar, Azerbadjan.\n>45,000 people have been evacuated from Kelbadjar, 15,000 are still in\n>town.\n\nThe fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government also hired mercenaries\nto slaughter Azeris this time.\n\n>The Armenian government says that the forces aren't from Armenia\n>but from Nagorno-Karabag. Heavy weapons and ordertaking\n>from France is the result.....Turkey's President, Turgut Ozal,says:\n>\"If UN doesn't act then we may have to show our teeth before the\n> situation becomes worse.\".\n\nFinally...about time...\n\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n","1809":"From: fls@keynes.econ.duke.edu (Forrest Smith)\nSubject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR\nOrganization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.\nLines: 19\nNntp-Posting-Host: keynes.econ.duke.edu\n\n\n\tAmazingly, pitchers, no matter how good their mechanics, are\nnot machines.  Cy Young winners don't pitch in a vaccuum, unaware\nof how their offenses are doing.\n\n\tThe Braves' pitching staff is already showing signs of\ncracking under the strain of knowing they're not going to get many\n(if any) runs.  Unfortunately, the Braves' pitchers were so bad for so\nlong that the organization put so much stress (and I mean *stress*)\non pitching that they completely ignored hitting.\n\n\tThe Braves right now are looking woefully similar to the Braves of\nthe mid-seventies.  Heaven help us.\n \n-- \n@econ.duke.edu     fls@econ.duke.edu     fls@econ.duke.edu    fls@econ.duke.\ns  To my correspondents:  My email has been changed.                       e\nl                         My new address is:  fls@econ.duke.edu            d\nf            If mail bounces, try fls@raphael.acpub.duke.edu               u\n","1810":"From: kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith \"Justified And Ancient\" Cochran)\nSubject: We don't need no stinking subjects!\nX-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University\n\tof Denver for the Denver community.  The University has neither\n\tcontrol over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.\nOrganization: The Loyal Order Of Keiths.\nLines: 93\n\nIn article <1ql1avINN38a@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n>kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith \"Justified And Ancient\" Cochran) writes:\n>>keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n>>>kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith \"Justified And Ancient\" Cochran) writes:\n>\n>>No, if you're going to claim something, then it is up to you to prove it.\n>>Think \"Cold Fusion\".\n>\n>Well, I've provided examples to show that the trend was general, and you\n>(or others) have provided some counterexamples, mostly ones surrounding\n>mating practices, etc.  I don't think that these few cases are enough to\n>disprove the general trend of natural morality.  And, again, the mating\n>practices need to be reexamined...\n\nSo what you're saying is that your mind is made up, and you'll just explain\naway any differences at being statistically insignificant?\n\n>>>Try to find \"immoral\" non-mating-related activities.\n>>So you're excluding mating-related-activities from your \"natural morality\"?\n>\n>No, but mating practices are a special case.  I'll have to think about it\n>some more.\n\nSo you'll just explain away any inconsistancies in your \"theory\" as being\n\"a special case\".\n\n>>>Yes, I think that the natural system can be objectively deduced with the\n>>>goal of species propogation in mind.  But, I am not equating the two\n>>>as you so think.  That is, an objective system isn't necessarily the\n>>>natural one.\n>>Are you or are you not the man who wrote:\n>>\"A natural moral system is the objective moral system that most animals\n>> follow\".\n>\n>Indeed.  But, while the natural system is objective, all objective systems\n>are not the natural one.  So, the terms can not be equated.  The natural\n>system is a subset of the objective ones.\n\nYou just equated them.  Re-read your own words.\n\n>>Now, since homosexuality has been observed in most animals (including\n>>birds and dolphins), are you going to claim that \"most animals\" have\n>>the capacity of being immoral?\n>\n>I don't claim that homosexuality is immoral.  It isn't harmful, although\n>it isn't helpful either (to the mating process).  And, when you say that\n>homosexuality is observed in the animal kingdom, don't you mean \"bisexuality?\"\n\nA study release in 1991 found that 11% of female seagulls are lesbians.\n\n>>>Well, I'm saying that these goals are not inherent.  That is why they must\n>>>be postulates, because there is not really a way to determine them\n>>>otherwise (although it could be argued that they arise from the natural\n>>>goal--but they are somewhat removed).\n>>Postulate: To assume; posit.\n>\n>That's right.  The goals themselves aren't inherent.\n>\n>>I can create a theory with a postulate that the Sun revolves around the\n>>Earth, that the moon is actually made of green cheese, and the stars are\n>>the portions of Angels that intrudes into three-dimensional reality.\n>\n>You could, but such would contradict observations.\n\nNow, apply this last sentence of your to YOUR theory.  Notice how your are\ncontridicting observations?\n\n>>I can build a mathematical proof with a postulate that given the length\n>>of one side of a triangle, the length of a second side of the triangle, and\n>>the degree of angle connecting them, I can determine the length of the\n>>third side.\n>\n>But a postulate is something that is generally (or always) found to be\n>true.  I don't think your postulate would be valid.\n\nYou don't know much math, do you?  The ability to use SAS to determine the\nlength of the third side of the triangle is fundemental to geometry.\n\n>>Guess which one people are going to be more receptive to.  In order to assume\n>>something about your system, you have to be able to show that your postulates\n>>work.\n>\n>Yes, and I think the goals of survival and happiness *do* work.  You think\n>they don't?  Or are they not good goals?\n\nGoals <> postulates.\n\nAgain, if one of the \"goals\" of this \"objective\/natural morality\" system\nyou are proposing is \"survival of the species\", then homosexuality is\nimmoral.\n--\n=kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu | B(0-4) c- d- e++ f- g++ k(+) m r(-) s++(+) t | TSAKC=\n=My thoughts, my posts, my ideas, my responsibility, my beer, my pizza.  OK???=\n","1811":"From: ffritze@hpwad.WAD.HP.COM (Fromut Fritze)\nSubject: Re: Anyone know stacker's email address?\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard Waldbronn, Germany\nLines: 15\n\n> Does anybody know if stacker has a e-mail address and if\n> so, what it is?  I know they have a BBS and something on\n> compuserve, but I'm hoping someone know's their e-mail\n> address.\n\nJohn White from STAC Electronics can be reached at compuserv as 72370,1005.\nFor me 72370.1005@compuserve.com would as email address work from Internet.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ninternet: ffritze@hpwbe007.wad.hp.com\nphone:    Germany 7243 602296\naddress:  Fromut FRITZE, Waldbronn Analytic Division R&D,\n\t  Hewlett Packard Str, D 7517 Waldbronn 2, Germany\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","1812":"From: balick@nynexst.com (Daphne Balick)\nSubject: Re: Altitude adjustment\nReply-To: balick@nynexst.com\nOrganization: NYNEX Science & Technology, Inc\nLines: 32\n\n\n\nIn article <4159@mdavcr.mda.ca> vida@mdavcr.mda.ca (Vida Morkunas) writes:\n>I live at sea-level, and am called-upon to travel to high-altitude cities\n>quite frequently, on business.  The cities in question are at 7000 to 9000\n>feet of altitude.  One of them especially is very polluted...\n\nMexico City, Bogota, La Paz?\n>\n>Often I feel faint the first two or three days.  I feel lightheaded, and\n>my heart seems to pound a lot more than at sea-level.  Also, it is very\n>dry in these cities, so I will tend to drink a lot of water, and keep\n>away from dehydrating drinks, such as those containing caffeine or alcohol.\n>\n\n>Thing is, I still have symptoms.  How can I ensure that my short trips there\n>(no, I don't usually have a week to acclimatize) are as comfortable as possible?\n>Is there something else that I could do?\n\n---\n\nAn unconventional remedy that you might try for altitude sickness in the Andes is\nchewing coca leaves or taking teas made from coca leaves. You might notice that\nmany of the natives have wads in their mouths... the tea can be obtained in S.\nAmerican pharmacies. This remedy alleviates some of the lightheadedness and\ndizziness - but don't try to jog with it. I've tried this when travelling and\nhiking in Peru and Ecuador. The amount of cocaine you would ingest are too minute\nto cause any highs...\n\nAlso it is a good idea to eat lightly and dress warm while adjusting to high altitudes.\n\n\n","1813":"From: michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton)\nSubject: Performance Bike Frenzy at Cadwell\nOrganization: Computer Newspaper Services, Howden, UK.\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cassia.compnews.co.uk\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\n\nIs anyone going to the P.B frenzy at Cadwell park in May.\nI am going, but only to watch.\n\n\n--\n\tWhen asked what would I most want to try before doing it, \n\t\t     \t    I said Death. \n","1814":"From: willisw@willisw.ENG.CLEMSON.edu (Bill Willis)\nSubject: Answers to many electronics Questions\nOrganization: Engineering Services, Clemson University\nLines: 10\n\nI have notice a lot of electronics questions by people who are obviously not \n\"tuned-in\" to electronics.  Many of them have rather simple answers, and \nmany of them require a circuit diagram.\n\nRather than muck up the network, why don't you write to me, send a self-\naddressed, stamped envelop, and I'll answer your questions, if I can.\n\nW. L. Willis, P. E.\n114 Fern Circle\nClemson, SC 29631\n","1815":"From: pnakada@oracle.com (Paul Nakada)\nSubject: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding\nArticle-I.D.: pnakada.PNAKADA.93Apr5140811\nOrganization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, CA\nLines: 14\nNntp-Posting-Host: pnakada.us.oracle.com\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those\n              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\n\n\nWhat's the feeling about eating and riding?  I went out riding this\nweekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie.  The whole\nride back I felt sluggish.  I was certainly much more alert on the\nride in.  I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest\nthing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides.\n\nFrom now on, a little snack will do.  I'd much rather have a get that\nfull\/sluggish feeling closer to home.\n\n-Paul\n--\nPaul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com\nDoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S\n","1816":"From: cst@blueoak.berkeley.edu (Courtney Terry)\nSubject: For Sale: 1983 Nissan Sentra\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 15\nDistribution: ba\nNNTP-Posting-Host: blueoak.berkeley.edu\n\n    **************************\n        1983 Nissan Sentra\n    **************************\n\no two door hatchback\no red\no am\/fm cassette\no lots of new parts, well maintained\no very clean, inside and out\no looks and runs great\no $2000\/bo\n\nBob or Tracy at 510-540-8795\n\n(Please do not respond to this account)\n","1817":"From: u934132@student.canberra.edu.au (Ogawa \/ Taro Stephen (ISE))\nSubject: Help wanted\nSummary: Decoders \nOrganization: University of Canberra\nLines: 9\n\nCould someone please tell me if a 1\/4 decoder is the same as a 1 to 4\ndemultiplexer. I know how to link 2 of these to get an 8 output circuit,\nbut how do I link 5 of these to make a 1\/16 multiplexer. Sorry if this\nseems like a lame question, but I'm only a newbie to electronics, and I\nhave to do this circuit. Please make any mail as droolproof as possible.\n\n\t\t\t\t Thanx,\n\t\t\t\t\tTaro Ogawa\n\t\t\t\t\t(u934132@student.canberra.edu.au)\n","1818":"From: nanderso@Endor.sim.es.com (Norman Anderson)\nSubject: Re: A WRENCH in the works?\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.\nLines: 13\n\njmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu (Mitch) writes:\n\n\n\n>effect that one of the SSRBs that was recovered after the\n>recent space shuttle launch was found to have a wrench of\n>some sort rattling around apparently inside the case.\n\nI heard a similar statement in our local news (UTAH) tonight. They referred\nto the tool as \"...the PLIERS that took a ride into space...\". They also\nsaid that a Thiokol (sp?) employee had reported missing a tool of some kind\nduring assembly of one SRB. No more info as to the location in the SRB.\nI agree, pretty weird.\n","1819":"From: rg@futserv.austin.ibm.com (R.G. Keen)\nSubject: EICO tube tester repairs? \nReply-To: ...futserv.austin.ibm.com!rg\nOrganization: IBM Coporation - Advanced Workstations and Systems.\nLines: 14\n\nI had the good luck to obtain an EICO dynamic conductance \ntube tester for a song. Unfortunately, I was a little out of\nkey; the only thing wrong with it was an open meter movement.\nDoes anyone know where I can find either another meter movement\nlike it, a dead-but-not-the-meter-dead unit, or schematics \nto specify the current scale of the meter movement? I can cut\nand paste a more sensitive movement in if I can find what the\nfull scale current was. Or... is EICO still contactable?\n\nThe thing is a model 666 -nope, not a joke or any sort of snide\nreference.\n\nR.G.\n\n","1820":"From: sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin)\nSubject: Re: Changing oil by self.\nKeywords: n\nNntp-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.170720.8538@colorado.edu> drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (\nDrew Eckhardt) writes:\n>\n>Most cars have drain petcocks in the radiators, and I've never\n>seen nor heard of a vandal opening one.  I imagine that there\n>would be an even lower risk with an oil plug because you have\n>to crawl furthur under the car to open it.\n>\n>Car vandals are usually real traditional in their methods, and do things\n>that don't get them dirty, like keying your car, dumping sand, sugar\n>or mothballs in the gas tank, TPing it, etc.\n\nUSUALLY....go enough places and you'll see stuff happen you didn't think did.\n\n\nSteve\n","1821":"From: sguerke@ravel.udel.edu (Stephen Guerke)\nSubject: Re: How can I use the mouse in NON-Windows applications under MS-WINDOWS ?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ravel.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.153959.12328@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> gonzaled@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (LGV\/MC) writes:\n\n>\n>One addition to this... I don't know if it applies to everybody.  For my\n>(Microsoft 400dpi) mouse to work with windowed DOS apps, I had to use the\n>driver that came with Windows (Version 8.20).  8.1 didn't allow me to do\n>it for some reason.\n>\n\nFor Logitech rodents use  the lmouse driver that comes with windows....\nalso you need to be using a video driver that supports use of the mouse,\nboth the VGA and SUPERVGA that come with Windows 3.1 will support it. \nboth of these are 16 color drivers, if you're lucky the manufacturer of\nyour video card might have a driver that is compatable and will support a\nmouse.  \n\nSteve\n\n-- \n   Stephen Guerke, Coord. Computer Resources  sguerke@brahms.udel.edu\n   University of Delaware Parallel Program    stephen.guerke@mvs.udel.edu\n   Georgetown, DE 19947                       ILV20078@UDELVM.UDEL.EDU\n","1822":"From: Richard.Muratti@f341.n632.z3.fidonet.org (Richard Muratti)\nSubject: Parallel port\nX-FTN-To: All\nLines: 25\n\nCan anybody please help me with information on the use of the bi-directional\nprinter port.\n\nI have successfully used one on a Toshiba laptop by enabling bit 0 of port\n0x37f and controlling bit 7 of port 0x37a for the direction of data flow (ie\n\"0\" for output, \"1\" for input).\n\nThe same code does not work on my desktop machine. I have heard that i might\nhave to use bit 5 of port 0x37a, however this also does not work.\n\nFor a parallel port i am using one of those IDE SUPER I\/O cards and have been\nrunning a tape backup unit off it via a parallel to scsi converter so i am\npretty sure that the printer port is bi-directional.\n\n\nAny information would be greatly appreasiated.\n\nPlease post a reply here or Email me on\n\nINTERNET rick@cabsav.vut.edu.au\n\nThanks\nRichard Muratti.\n\n * Origin: Custom Programming BBS (3:632\/341)\n","1823":"From: dwf@kepler.unh.edu (Dennis W Fitanides)\nSubject: 2400 baud External modem $25 (mint)\nOrganization: University of New Hampshire  -  Durham, NH\nLines: 3\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kepler.unh.edu\n\n\nbox, manual, phonecord    $25 + shipping\nDennis\n","1824":"From: chyang@engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)\nSubject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ??  (How do they compare?)\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 55\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: leghorn.engin.umich.edu\n\nIn article <27837.2BD08C3A@zeus.ieee.org> Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org (Michael Ameres) writes:\n>I believe it goes or will go:\n>680060\n>powerPC\n>Pentium\n>680040\n>486\n>680030\n>386\n>680020\n>286=680000\n>\n\n\n\tI think this kind of comparison is pretty useless in general.  The\nprocessor is only good when a good computer is designed around it adn the\ncomputer is used in its designed purpose.  Comparing processor speed is\npretty dumb because all you have to do is just increase the clock speed\nto increase speed among other things.\n\n\tI mean how can you say a 040 is faster than a 486 without \ngiving is operational conditions?  Can you say the same when \nyou are running a program that uses a lot of transidental functions.\nKnowing that 040 does not have transidental functions building in to \nits FPU and 486 does, can you say that 040 is still faster?\n\n\tAnyway, I hope people do not decided upon wether a computers\nis good or not solely on its processor.  Or how fast a processor is\nbased on its name, because one can alway do a certain things to a\nprocessor to speed it up.  \n\n\tBut if we restrict our arguements to, for example, pure\nprocessor architectural issues.  Or how one processor will work\nwell and another will not based on its design, then we can get\nsomewhere with our discussions.  \n\n- Chung Yang\n\n>In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was\n> slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed\n> for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie\n> quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so.\n>    Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system\n> at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the\n> speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think\n> it laps the pentium.\n>\n>pro-life pro-women\n>\n>\n>--  \n>=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=\n> Michael Ameres - Internet: Michael.Ameres@f204.n2603.z1.fidonet.org\n\n\n","1825":"From: murthy@watson.ibm.com (Sesh Murthy)\nSubject: Re: Bimmer vs Beamer\nDistribution: usa\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: panini.watson.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.173934.14572@newsgate.sps.mot.com>, markm@latium. (Mark Monninger) writes:\n|> Although not in direct response to the referenced article, just to set the \n|> record straight, Beamers are BMW motorcycles. BMW cars are Bimmers. Please,\n                    ^^^^^^^\nHuh!  I though Beamers were IBM employees :-)\n\n|> let's get our terms straight.\n|> \n|> Actually, some purists would argue that the only true Bimmer is a round\n|> tail light 2002 or 1600.\n|> \n|> Mark\n","1826":"From: jsledd@ssdc.sas.upenn.edu (James Sledd)\nSubject: proof of resurection\nOrganization: Social Science Computing\nLines: 44\n\nI have a few minor problems with the article posted as proof of \nChrist's resurrection.  \n\nFirst the scriptural quotations:\n\nThis sort of reasoning is such that if you beleive you are justified,\nif not then your beleif is in vain, so you might as well beleive.  Most\nof these quotations are of people who do beleive.  People who would\ntry to justify their own positions.\n\nSecond the logical proof:\n\n>quoted text...\n>\n>From: xx155@yfn.ysu.edu (Family Magazine Sysops)\n>Subject: WITNESS & PROOF OF CHRIST'S RESURRECTION\n>Date: 11 Apr 93 05:01:19 GMT\n>\n>[much deleted]\n>\n>            4.  In nearly 20 centuries, no body has ever been\n>                produced to refute Jesus' assertion that He\n>                *would indeed* rise from the dead.\n>\n>            5.  The probability of being able to perpetrate such\n>                a hoax successfully upon the entire world for\n>                nearly 20 centuries is astronomically negative!\n>                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>...end quoted text\n\n The period of time that has elapsed from the event growing larger\ndoes not increase the odds that a hoax would be discovered.  In fact\nthe longer a hoax is perpetuated the stronger it becomes.\n\nFinally:\n\nThere is no proof of the resurrection of Christ, except in our spirits\ncommunion with his, and the Father's.  It is a matter of FAITH, belief\nwithout logical proof.  Incedently one of the largest stumbling blocks for\nrational western man, myself included.\n\nI hope that this is taken in the spirit it was intended and not as a \nrejection of the resurrection's occurance.  I beleive, but I wanted to point \nout the weakness of logical proofs.\n","1827":"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Re: MLB Standings and Scores for Fri., Apr. 16th, 1993\nKeywords: mlb, 04.16\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1qmj6h$m5h@agate.berkeley.edu> jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez) writes:\n>Houston Astros\t\t1\t\tSeattle Mariners\t1\n>Montreal Expos\t\t2\t\tToronto Blue Jays\t3\n>New York Mets\t\t3\t\tOakland Athletics\t2\n>Colorado Rockies\t5\t\tDetroit Tigers\t\t3\n>Pittsburgh Pirates\t5\t\tKansas City Royals\t5\n>San Diego Padres\t4 (13)\t\tNew York Yankees\t4\n>St. Louis Cardinals\t4\t\tCleveland Indians\t3\n>Los Angeles Dodgers\t2\t\tBoston Red Sox\t\t4 (13)\n>Atlanta Braves\t\t1\t\tCalifornia Angels     PPD\n>San Francisco Giants\t6\t\tMilwaukee Brewers    RAIN\n\nThis leads me to believe that it's not really a rabbitball year, and that\nwe've just had a rash of high-scoring games.  I bet this one day's worth\nof games pulled everything back to close to average.\n\nInteresting, because the other day, all but three games had ten or more\nruns scored, and yesterday no game had more than nine.\n-- \nted frank                 | \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |         I'm sorry, the card says \"Moops.\"\nthe u of c law school     | \nstandard disclaimers      | \n","1828":"From: stwombly@cs.ulowell.edu (Steve Twombly)\nSubject: Red Sox win 1st\nOrganization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science\nLines: 8\n\nBoSox 3     Royals 1\n\nWP: Clemens (1-0)\nLP: Appier  (0-1)\n\nKey Hit:  Mike Greenwell's 2 out tripple with bases loaded.\n\n\n","1829":"From: dscheck@nextsrv1.andi.org (David Scheck)\nSubject: imake on DOS and Windows\nSummary: porting imake to DOS\nKeywords: imake\nOrganization: Association of NeXTSTEP Developers International\nLines: 6\n\n\nHas anyone had experience porting imake to DOS using a Microsoft, Watcom, or\nany other DOS compiler? \n\nSince I do not have easy access to News, a response to\n'white_billy@po.gis.prc.com' would be appreciated.\n","1830":"Subject: Space FAQ 05\/15 - References\nFrom: leech@cs.unc.edu (Jon Leech)\nExpires: 6 May 1993 19:56:44 GMT\nOrganization: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill\nKeywords: Frequently Asked Questions\nSupersedes: <references_730956466@cs.unc.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mahler.cs.unc.edu\nLines: 665\n\nArchive-name: space\/references\nLast-modified: $Date: 93\/04\/01 14:39:21 $\n\nREFERENCES ON SPECIFIC AREAS\n\n    PUBLISHERS OF SPACE\/ASTRONOMY MATERIAL\n\n    Astronomical Society of the Pacific\n    1290 24th Avenue\n    San Francisco, CA 94122\n\n\tMore expensive but better organized slide sets.\n\n    Cambridge University Press\n    32 East 57th Street\n    New York, NY 10022\n\n    Crawford-Peters Aeronautica\n    P.O. Box 152528\n    San Diego, CA 92115\n    (619) 287-3933\n\n\tAn excellent source of all kinds of space publications. They publish\n\ta number of catalogs, including:\n\t    Aviation and Space, 1945-1962\n\t    Aviation and Space, 1962-1990\n\t    Space and Related Titles\n\n    European Southern Observatory\n    Information and Photographic Service\n    Dr R.M. West\n    Karl Scharzschild Strasse 2\n    D-8046 Garching bei Munchen\n    FRG\n\n\tSlide sets, posters, photographs, conference proceedings.\n\n    Finley Holiday Film Corporation\n    12607 East Philadelphia Street\n    Whittier, California 90601\n    (213)945-3325\n    (800)FILMS-07\n\n\tWide selection of Apollo, Shuttle, Viking, and Voyager slides at ~50\n\tcents\/slide. Call for a catalog.\n\n    Hansen Planetarium (Utah)\n\n\tSaid to hold sales on old slide sets. Look in Sky & Telescope\n\tfor contact info.\n\n    Lunar and Planetary Institute\n    3303 NASA Road One\n    Houston, TX 77058-4399\n\n\tTechnical, geology-oriented slide sets, with supporting\n\tbooklets.\n\n    John Wiley & Sons\n    605 Third Avenue\n    New York, NY 10158-0012\n\n    Sky Publishing Corporation\n    PO Box 9111\n    Belmont, MA  02178-9111\n\n\tOffers \"Sky Catalogue 2000.0\" on PC floppy with information\n\t(including parallax) for 45000 stars.\n\n    Roger Wheate\n    Geography Dept.\n    University of Calgary, Alberta\n    Canada T2N 1N4\n    (403)-220-4892\n    (403)-282-7298 (FAX)\n    wheate@uncamult.bitnet\n\n\tOffers a 40-slide set called \"Mapping the Planets\" illustrating\n\trecent work in planetary cartography, comes with a booklet and\n\tinformation on getting your own copies of the maps. $50 Canadian,\n\tshipping included.\n\n    Superintendent of Documents\n    US Government Printing Office\n    Washington, DC 20402\n\n    Univelt, Inc.\n    P. O. Box 28130\n    San Diego, Ca. 92128\n\n\tPublishers for the American Astronomical Society.\n\n    US Naval Observatory\n\t202-653-1079 (USNO Bulletin Board via modem)\n\t202-653-1507 General\n\n    Willmann-Bell\n    P.O. Box 35025\n    Richmond, Virginia 23235 USA\n    (804)-320-7016 9-5 EST M-F\n\n\n    CAREERS IN THE SPACE INDUSTRY\n\n    In 1990 the Princeton Planetary Society published the first edition of\n    \"Space Jobs: The Guide to Careers in Space-Related Fields.\" The\n    publication was enormously successful: we distributed 2000 copies to\n    space enthusiasts across the country and even sent a few to people in\n    Great Britain, Australia, and Ecuador. Due to the tremendous response to\n    the first edition, PPS has published an expanded, up-to-date second\n    edition of the guide.\n\n    The 40-page publication boasts 69 listings for summer and full-time job\n    opportunities as well as graduate school programs. The second edition of\n    \"Space Jobs\" features strategies for entering the space field and\n    describes positions at consulting and engineering firms, NASA, and\n    non-profit organizations. The expanded special section on graduate\n    schools highlights a myriad of programs ranging from space manufacturing\n    to space policy. Additional sections include tips on becoming an\n    astronaut and listings of NASA Space Grant Fellowships and Consortia, as\n    well as NASA Centers for the Commercial Development of Space.\n\n    To order send check or money order made payable to Princeton Planetary\n    Society for $4 per copy, plus $1 per copy for shipping and handling\n    (non-US customers send an International Money Order payable in US\n    dollars) to:\n\n    Princeton Planetary Society\n    315 West College\n    Princeton University\n    Princeton, NJ  08544\n\n\n    DC-X SINGLE-STAGE TO ORBIT (SSTO) PROGRAM\n\n    SDI's SSRT (Single Stage Rocket Technology) project has funded a\n    suborbital technology demonstrator called DC-X that should fly in\n    mid-1993. Further development towards an operational single-stage to\n    orbit vehicle (called Delta Clipper) is uncertain at present.\n\n    An collection of pictures and files relating to DC-X is available by\n    anonymous FTP or email server in the directory\n\n\tbongo.cc.utexas.edu:pub\/delta-clipper\n\n    Chris W. Johnson (chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu) maintains the archive.\n\n\n    HOW TO NAME A STAR AFTER A PERSON\n\n    Official names are decided by committees of the International\n    Astronomical Union, and are not for sale. There are purely commercial\n    organizations which will, for a fee, send you pretty certificates and\n    star maps describing where to find \"your\" star. These organizations have\n    absolutely no standing in the astronomical community and the names they\n    assign are not used by anyone else. It's also likely that you won't be\n    able to see \"your\" star without binoculars or a telescope. See the back\n    pages of Astronomy or other amateur astronomy publications for contact\n    info; one such organization may be found at:\n\n\tInternational Star Registry\n\t34523 Wilson Road\n\tIngleside, IL 60041\n\n    This is not an endorsement of ISR.\n\n\n    LLNL \"GREAT EXPLORATION\"\n\n    The LLNL \"Great Exploration\", a plan for an on-the-cheap space station,\n    Lunar base, and Mars mission using inflatable space structures, excited\n    a lot of interest on the net and still comes up from time to time. Some\n    references cited during net discussion were:\n\n\tAvation Week Jan 22, 1990 for an article on the overall Great\n\tExploration\n\n\tNASA Assessment of the LLNL Space Exploration Proposal and LLNL\n\tResponses by Dr. Lowell Wood LLNL Doc. No. SS 90-9. Their address\n\tis: PO Box 808 Livermore, CA 94550 (the NASA authors are unknown).\n\n\tBriefing slides of a presentation to the NRC last December may be\n\tavailable. Write LLNL and ask.\n\n\tConceptual Design Study for Modular Inflatable Space Structures, a\n\tfinal report for purchase order B098747 by ILC Dover INC. I don't\n\tknow how to get this except from LLNL or ILC Dover. I don't have an\n\taddress for ILC.\n\n\n    LUNAR PROSPECTOR\n\n    Lunar Exploration Inc. (LEI) is a non-profit corporation working on a\n    privately funded lunar polar orbiter. Lunar Prospector is designed to\n    perform a geochemical survey and search for frozen volatiles at the\n    poles. A set of reference files describing the project is available in\n\n\tames.arc.nasa.gov:pub\/SPACE\/LEI\/*\n\n\n    LUNAR SCIENCE AND ACTIVITIES\n\n    Grant H Heiken, David T Vaniman, and Bevan M French (editors), \"Lunar\n    Sourcebook, A User's Guide to the Moon\", Cambridge University Press\n    1991, ISBN 0-521-33444-6; hardcover; expensive. A one-volume\n    encyclopedia of essentially everything known about the Moon, reviewing\n    current knowledge in considerable depth, with copious references. Heavy\n    emphasis on geology, but a lot more besides, including considerable\n    discussion of past lunar missions and practical issues relevant to\n    future mission design. *The* reference book for the Moon; all others are\n    obsolete.\n\n    Wendell Mendell (ed), \"Lunar Bases and Space Activities of the 21st\n    Century\", $15. \"Every serious student of lunar bases *must* have this\n    book\" - Bill Higgins. Available from:\n\n\tLunar and Planetary Institute\n\t3303 NASA Road One\n\tHouston, TX 77058-4399\n\tIf you want to order books, call (713)486-2172.\n\n    Thomas A. Mutch, \"Geology of the Moon: A Stratigraphic View\", Princeton\n    University Press, 1970. Information about the Lunar Orbiter missions,\n    including maps of the coverage of the lunar nearside and farside by\n    various Orbiters.\n\n\n    ORBITING EARTH SATELLITE HISTORIES\n\n    A list of Earth orbiting satellites (that are still in orbit) is\n    available by anonymous FTP in:\n\n\tames.arc.nasa.gov:pub\/SPACE\/FAQ\/Satellites\n\n\n    SPACECRAFT MODELS\n\n    \"Space in Miniature #2: Gemini\" by\n\tMichael J. Mackowski\n\t1621 Waterwood Lane, St. Louis, MO 63146\n\t$7.50\n\n    Only 34pp but enough pictures & diagrams to interest more than just the\n    modelling community, I feel.\n\n    Marco's Miniatures of Dracut, Mass. have produced a 1\/144 Skylab in an\n    edition of 500 & a 1\/48 Lunar Rover (same scale as Monogram and Revell\n    Lunar Modules) in a similar edition. Prices are $45 for Skylab, $24 for\n    LRV. Check with them for postage etc. I have no connection with them,\n    but have found their service to be good and their stock of rare\/old kits\n    *is* impressive. Prices range from reasonable ($35 for Monogram 1\/32\n    scale Apollo CSM with cutaway details) to spectacular ($145 for Airfix\n    Vostok).\n\n\t Four Star Collectibles\n\t P.O. Box 658\n\t Dracut Mass 01826, USA.\n\t (508)-957-0695.\n\n    Voyager, HST, Viking, Lunar Rover etc. kits from:\n\n\tLunar Models\n\t5120 Grisham\n\tRowlett, Texas 75088\n\t(214)-475-4230\n\n    As reviewed by Bob Kaplow:\n\n\tPeter Alway's book \"Scale Model Rocketry\" is now available. Mine\n\tarrived in the mail earlier this week. To get your own copy, send\n\t$19.95 + $2.50 s\/h ($22.45 total) to:\n\n\t\t\tPeter Alway\n\t\t\t2830 Pittsfield\n\t\t\tAnn Arbor, MI 48104\n\n\tThe book includes information on collecting scale data, construction\n\tof scale models, and several handy tables. Appendicies include plans\n\tfor 3 sport scale models, a 1:9.22 D Region Tomahawk (BT50), a 1\/40\n\tV-2 (BT60), and a 1\/9.16 Aerobee 150A (BT55\/60).\n\n\tI've only begun to study the book, but it certainly will be a\n\tvaluable data source for many modellers. Most vehicles include\n\tseveral paragraphs of text describing the missions flown by the\n\trocket, various specs including \"NAR\" engine classification, along\n\twith a dimensioned drawing, color layouts & paint pattern, and a\n\tblack & white photograph.\n\n\tThe vehicles included are the Aerobee 150A, Aerobee 300, Aerobee Hi,\n\tArcas, Asp, Astrobee 1500, Astrobee D, Atlas Centaur, Atlas-Agena,\n\tAtlas-Score, Baby WAC, D-Region Tomahawk, Deacon Rockoon, Delta B,\n\tDelta E, Gemini-Titan II, Iris, Javelin, Juno 1, Juno 2, Little Joe\n\t1, Little Joe 2, Mercury-Atlas, Mercury-Redstone, Nike-Apache,\n\tNike-Asp, Nike-Cajun, Nike-Deacon, Nike-Tomahawk, RAM B, Saturn 1\n\tBlock 1, Saturn 1 Block 2, Saturn 1B, Saturn 5, Scout, Standard\n\tAerobee, Terrapin, Thor-Able, Titan III C, Titan III E, Trailblazer\n\t1, V-2, Vanguard, Viking Model 1, Viking Model 2, and Wac Corporal.\n\n\n    ROCKET PROPULSION\n\n\tGeorge P. Sutton, \"Rocket Propulsion Elements\", 5th edn,\n\tWiley-Interscience 1986, ISBN 0-471-80027-9. Pricey textbook. The\n\tbest (nearly the only) modern introduction to the technical side of\n\trocketry. A good place to start if you want to know the details. Not\n\tfor the math-shy. Straight chemical rockets, essentially nothing on\n\tmore advanced propulsion (although earlier editions reportedly had\n\tsome coverage).\n\n\tDieter K. Huzel and David H. Huang, \"Design of Liquid Propellant\n\tRocket Engines\", NASA SP-125.\n\tNTIS N71-29405\t\tPC A20\/MF A01\t1971  461p\n\tOut of print; reproductions may be obtained through the NTIS\n\t(expensive). The complete and authoritative guide to designing\n\tliquid-fuel engines. Reference #1 in most chapters of Sutton. Heavy\n\temphasis on practical issues, what works and what doesn't, what the\n\ttypical values of the fudge factors are. Stiff reading, massive\n\tdetail; written for rocket engineers by rocket engineers.\n\n\n    SPACECRAFT DESIGN\n\n\tBrij N. Agrawal, \"Design of Geosynchronous Spacecraft\",\n\tPrentice-Hall, ISBN 0-13-200114-4.\n\n\tJames R. Wertz ed, \"Spacecraft Attitude Determination and\n\tControl\", Kluwer, ISBN 90-277-1204-2.\n\n\tP.R.K. Chetty, \"Satellite Technology and its Applications\",\n\tMcGraw-Hill, ISBN 0-8306-9688-1.\n\n\tJames R. Wertz and Wiley J. Larson (editors), \"Space Mission\n\tAnalysis and Design\", Kluwer Academic Publishers\n\t(Dordrecht\/Boston\/London) 1991, ISBN 0-7923-0971-5 (paperback), or\n\t0-7923-0970-7 (hardback).\n\n\t    This looks at system-level design of a spacecraft, rather than\n\t    detailed design. 23 chapters, 4 appendices, about 430 pages. It\n\t    leads the reader through the mission design and system-level\n\t    design of a fictitious earth-observation satellite, to\n\t    illustrate the principles that it tries to convey. Warning:\n\t    although the book is chock-full of many useful reference tables,\n\t    some of the numbers in at least one of those tables (launch\n\t    costs for various launchers) appear to be quite wrong. Can be\n\t    ordered by telephone, using a credit card; Kluwer's phone number\n\t    is (617)-871-6600. Cost $34.50.\n\n\n    ESOTERIC PROPULSION SCHEMES (SOLAR SAILS, LASERS, FUSION...)\n\n    This needs more and more up-to-date references, but it's a start.\n\n    ANTIMATTER:\n\n\t\"Antiproton Annihilation Propulsion\", Robert Forward\n\t    AFRPL TR-85-034 from the Air Force Rocket Propulsion Laboratory\n\t    (AFRPL\/XRX, Stop 24, Edwards Air Force Base, CA 93523-5000).\n\t    NTIS AD-A160 734\/0\t   PC A10\/MF A01\n\t    PC => Paper copy, A10 => $US57.90 -- or maybe Price Code?\n\t    MF => MicroFiche, A01 => $US13.90\n\n\t    Technical study on making, holding, and using antimatter for\n\t    near-term (30-50 years) propulsion systems. Excellent\n\t    bibliography. Forward is the best-known proponent\n\t    of antimatter.\n\n\t    This also may be available as UDR-TR-85-55 from the contractor,\n\t    the University of Dayton Research Institute, and DTIC AD-A160\n\t    from the Defense Technical Information Center, Defense Logistics\n\t    Agency, Cameron Station, Alexandria, VA 22304-6145. And it's\n\t    also available from the NTIS, with yet another number.\n\n\t\"Advanced Space Propulsion Study, Antiproton and Beamed Power\n\t    Propulsion\", Robert Forward\n\n\t    AFAL TR-87-070 from the Air Force Astronautics Laboratory, DTIC\n\t    #AD-A189 218.\n\t    NTIS AD-A189 218\/1\t  PC A10\/MF A01\n\n\t    Summarizes the previous paper, goes into detail on beamed power\n\t    systems including \" 1) pellet, microwave, and laser beamed power\n\t    systems for intersteller transport; 2) a design for a\n\t    near-relativistic laser-pushed lightsail using near-term laser\n\t    technology; 3) a survey of laser thermal propulsion, tether\n\t    transportation systems, antiproton annihilation propulsion,\n\t    exotic applications of solar sails, and laser-pushed\n\t    interstellar lightsails; 4) the status of antiproton\n\t    annihilation propulsion as of 1986; and 5) the prospects for\n\t    obtaining antimatter ions heavier than antiprotons.\" Again,\n\t    there is an extensive bibliography.\n\n\t    \"Application of Antimatter - Electric Power to Interstellar\n\t    Propulsion\", G. D. Nordley, JBIS Interstellar Studies issue of\n\t    6\/90.\n\n    BUSSARD RAMJETS AND RELATED METHODS:\n\n\tG. L. Matloff and A. J. Fennelly, \"Interstellar Applications and\n\tLimitations of Several Electrostatic\/Electromagnetic Ion Collection\n\tTechniques\", JBIS 30 (1977):213-222\n\n\tN. H. Langston, \"The Erosion of Interstellar Drag Screens\", JBIS 26\n\t(1973): 481-484\n\n\tC. Powell, \"Flight Dynamics of the Ram-Augmented Interstellar\n\tRocket\", JBIS 28 (1975):553-562\n\n\tA. R. Martin, \"The Effects of Drag on Relativistic Spacefight\", JBIS\n\t25 (1972):643-652\n\n    FUSION:\n\n\t\"A Laser Fusion Rocket for Interplanetary Propulsion\", Roderick Hyde,\n\tLLNL report UCRL-88857. (Contact the Technical Information Dept. at\n\tLivermore)\n\n\t    Fusion Pellet design: Fuel selection. Energy loss mechanisms.\n\t    Pellet compression metrics. Thrust Chamber: Magnetic nozzle.\n\t    Shielding. Tritium breeding. Thermal modeling. Fusion Driver\n\t    (lasers, particle beams, etc): Heat rejection. Vehicle Summary:\n\t    Mass estimates. Vehicle Performance: Interstellar travel\n\t    required exhaust velocities at the limit of fusion's capability.\n\t    Interplanetary missions are limited by power\/weight ratio.\n\t    Trajectory modeling. Typical mission profiles. References,\n\t    including the 1978 report in JBIS, \"Project Daedalus\", and\n\t    several on ICF and driver technology.\n\n\t\"Fusion as Electric Propulsion\", Robert W. Bussard, Journal of\n\tPropulsion and Power, Vol. 6, No. 5, Sept.-Oct. 1990\n\n\t    Fusion rocket engines are analyzed as electric propulsion\n\t    systems, with propulsion thrust-power-input-power ratio (the\n\t    thrust-power \"gain\" G(t)) much greater than unity. Gain values\n\t    of conventional (solar, fission) electric propulsion systems are\n\t    always quite small (e.g., G(t)<0.8). With these, \"high-thrust\"\n\t    interplanetary flight is not possible, because system\n\t    acceleration (a(t)) capabilities are always less than the local\n\t    gravitational acceleration. In contrast, gain values 50-100\n\t    times higher are found for some fusion concepts, which offer\n\t    \"high-thrust\" flight capability. One performance example shows a\n\t    53.3 day (34.4 powered; 18.9 coast), one-way transit time with\n\t    19% payload for a single-stage Earth\/Mars vehicle. Another shows\n\t    the potential for high acceleration (a(t)=0.55g(o)) flight in\n\t    Earth\/moon space.\n\n\t\"The QED Engine System: Direct Electric Fusion-Powered Systems for\n\tAerospace Flight Propulsion\" by Robert W. Bussard, EMC2-1190-03,\n\tavailable from Energy\/Matter Conversion Corp., 9100 A. Center\n\tStreet, Manassas, VA 22110.\n\n\t    [This is an introduction to the application of Bussard's version\n\t    of the Farnsworth\/Hirsch electrostatic confinement fusion\n\t    technology to propulsion. 1500<Isp<5000 sec. Farnsworth\/Hirsch\n\t    demonstrated a 10**10 neutron flux with their device back in\n\t    1969 but it was dropped when panic ensued over the surprising\n\t    stability of the Soviet Tokamak. Hirsch, responsible for the\n\t    panic, has recently recanted and is back working on QED. -- Jim\n\t    Bowery]\n\n\t\"PLASMAKtm Star Power for Energy Intensive Space Applications\", by\n\tPaul M. Koloc, Eight ANS Topical Meeting on Technology of Fusion\n\tEnergy, special issue FUSION TECHNOLOGY, March 1989.\n\n\t    Aneutronic energy (fusion with little or negligible neutron\n\t    flux) requires plasma pressures and stable confinement times\n\t    larger than can be delivered by current approaches. If plasma\n\t    pressures appropriate to burn times on the order of milliseconds\n\t    could be achieved in aneutronic fuels, then high power densities\n\t    and very compact, realtively clean burning engines for space and\n\t    other special applications would be at hand. The PLASMAKtm\n\t    innovation will make this possible; its unique pressure\n\t    efficient structure, exceptional stability, fluid-mechanically\n\t    compressible Mantle and direct inductive MHD electric power\n\t    conversion advantages are described. Peak burn densities of tens\n\t    of megawats per cc give it compactness even in the\n\t    multi-gigawatt electric output size. Engineering advantages\n\t    indicate a rapid development schedule at very modest cost. [I\n\t    strongly recommend that people take this guy seriously. Bob\n\t    Hirsch, the primary proponent of the Tokamak, has recently\n\t    declared Koloc's PLASMAKtm precursor, the spheromak, to be one\n\t    of 3 promising fusion technologies that should be pursued rather\n\t    than Tokamak. Aside from the preceeding appeal to authority, the\n\t    PLASMAKtm looks like it finally models ball-lightning with solid\n\t    MHD physics. -- Jim Bowery]\n\n    ION DRIVES:\n\n\tRetrieve files pub\/SPACE\/SPACELINK\/6.5.2.* from the Ames SPACE\n\tarchive; these deal with many aspects of ion drives and describe the\n\tSERT I and II missions, which flight-tested cesium ion thrusters in\n\tthe 1960s and 70s. There are numerous references.\n\n    MASS DRIVERS (COILGUNS, RAILGUNS):\n\n\tIEEE Transactions on Magnetics (for example, v. 27 no. 1, January\n\t1991 issue). Every so often they publish the proceedings of the\n\tSymposium on Electromagnetic Launcher Technology, including hundreds\n\tof papers on the subject. It's a good look at the state of the art,\n\tthough perhaps not a good tutorial for beginners. Anybody know some\n\tgood review papers?\n\n    NUCLEAR ROCKETS (FISSION):\n\n\t\"Technical Notes on Nuclear Rockets\", by Bruce W. Knight and Donald\n\tKingsbury, unpublished. May be available from: Donald Kingsbury,\n\tMath Dept., McGill University, PO Box 6070, Station A, Montreal,\n\tQuebec M3C 3G1 Canada.\n\n    SOLAR SAILS:\n\n\tStarsailing. Solar Sails and Interstellar Travel. Louis Friedman,\n\tWiley, New York, 1988, 146 pp., paper $9.95. (Not very technical,\n\tbut an adequate overview.)\n\n\t\"Roundtrip Interstellar Travel Using Laser-Pushed Lightsails\n\t(Journal of Spacecraft and Rockets, vol. 21, pp. 187-95, Jan.-Feb.\n\t1984)\n\n    TETHERS:\n\n\t_Tethers and Asteroids for Artificial Gravity Assist in the Solar\n\tSystem,_ by P.A. Penzo and H.L. Mayer., _Journal of Spacecraft\n\tand Rockets_ for Jan-Feb 1986.\n\n\t    Details how a spacecraft with a kevlar tether of the same mass\n\t    can change its velocity by up to slightly less than 1 km\/sec. if\n\t    it is travelling under that velocity wrt a suitable asteroid.\n\n    GENERAL:\n\n\t\"Alternate Propulsion Energy Sources\", Robert Forward\n\t    AFPRL TR-83-067.\n\t    NTIS AD-B088 771\/1\t  PC A07\/MF A01   Dec 83 138p\n\n\t    Keywords: Propulsion energy, metastable helium, free-radical\n\t    hydrogen, solar pumped (sic) plasmas, antiproton annihiliation,\n\t    ionospheric lasers, solar sails, perforated sails, microwave\n\t    sails, quantum fluctuations, antimatter rockets... It's a wide,\n\t    if not deep, look at exotic energy sources which might be useful\n\t    for space propulsion. It also considers various kinds of laser\n\t    propulsion, metallic hydrogen, tethers, and unconventional\n\t    nuclear propulsion. The bibliographic information, pointing to\n\t    the research on all this stuff, belongs on every daydreamer's\n\t    shelf.\n\n\tFuture Magic. Dr. Robert L. Forward, Avon, 1988. ISBN 0-380-89814-4.\n\n\t    Nontechnical discussion of tethers, antimatter, gravity control,\n\t    and even futher-out topics.\n\n\n    SPY SATELLITES\n\n    *Deep Black*, by William Burrows;\n\t\"best modern general book for spysats.\"\n\n    1) A Base For Debate: The US Satellite Station at Nurrungar, Des Ball,\n    Allen and Unwin Australia, 1987 ISBN 0 04 355027 4 [ covers DSP early\n    warning satellites]\n\n    2) Pine Gap: Australia and the US Geostationary Signals intelligence\n    satellite program, Des Ball, Allen and Unwin Australia, 1988 ISBN 0 04\n    363002 5. [covers RHYOLITE\/AQUACADE, CHALET\/VORTEX, and MAGNUM signals\n    intelligence satellites]\n\n    3) Guardians: Strategic Reconnaissance Satellites, Curtis Peebles, 1987,\n    Ian Allan, ISBN 0 7110 17654 [ good on MOL, military Salyut and Soviet\n    satellites, less so on others. Tends to believe what he's told so flaws\n    in discussion of DSP, RHYOLITE et al..]\n\n    4) America's Secret Eyes In Space: The Keyhole Spy Satellite Program,\n    Jeffrey Richelson, 1990, Harper and Row, ISBN 0 88730 285 8 [ in a class\n    of its own, *the* historical reference on the KEYHOLE satellites]\n\n    5) Secret Sentries in Space, Philip J Klass, 1971.\n\t\"long out of print but well worth a look\"\n\n\n    SPACE SHUTTLE COMPUTER SYSTEMS\n\n    %J Communications of the ACM\n    %V 27\n    %N 9\n    %D September 1984\n    %K Special issue on space [shuttle] computers\n\n    %A Myron Kayton\n    %T Avionics for Manned Spacecraft\n    %J IEEE Transactions on Aerospace and Electronic Systems\n    %V 25\n    %N 6\n    %D November 1989\n    %P 786-827\n\n    Other various AIAA and IEEE publications.\n\n    Computers in Spaceflight: The NASA Experience\n    James E.  Tomayko\n    1988?\n\n\n    SETI COMPUTATION (SIGNAL PROCESSING)\n\n    %A D. K. Cullers\n    %A Ivan R. Linscott\n    %A Bernard M. Oliver\n    %T Signal Processing in SETI\n    %J Communications of the ACM\n    %V 28\n    %N 11\n    %D November 1984\n    %P 1151-1163\n    %K CR Categories and Subject Descriptors: D.4.1 [Operating Systems]:\n    Process Management - concurrency; I.5.4 [Pattern Recognition]:\n    Applications - signal processing; J.2 [Phsyical Sciences and Engineering]:\n    astronomy\n    General Terms: Design\n    Additional Key Words and Phrases: digital Fourier transforms,\n    finite impulse-response filters, interstellar communications,\n    Search for Extra-terrestrial Intelligence, signal detection,\n    spectrum analysis\n\n\n    AMATEUR SATELLIES & WEATHER SATELLITES\n\n    A fairly long writeup on receiving and interpreting weather satellite\n    photos is available from the Ames SPACE archive in\n    pub\/SPACE\/FAQ\/WeatherPhotos.\n\n    The American Radio Relay League publication service offers the following\n    references (also see the section on AMSAT in the space groups segment of\n    the FAQ):\n\n\tARRL Satellite Experimenters Handbook,\t\t#3185, $20\n\tARRL Weather Satellite Handbook,\t\t#3193, $20\n\tIBM-PC software for Weather Satellite Handbook, #3290, $10\n\n\tAMSAT NA 5th Space Symposium,\t\t\t#0739, $12\n\tAMSAT NA 6th Space Symposium,\t\t\t#2219, $12\n\n\tShipping is extra.\n\n    The American Radio Relay League\n    Publications Department\n    225 Main Street\n    Newington, CT 06111\n    (203)-666-1541\n\n\n    TIDES\n\n    Srinivas Bettadpur contributed a writeup on tides, available from the\n    Ames SPACE archive in pub\/SPACE\/FAQ\/Tides. It covers the following\n    areas:\n\n\t- 2-D Example of Tidal Deformation\n\t- Treatment of Tidal Fields in Practice\n\t- Long term evolution of the Earth-Moon system under tides\n\n    The writeup refers to the following texts:\n\n\t\"Geophysical Geodesy\" by K. Lambeck\n\t\"Tides of the planet Earth\" by P. Melchior\n\nNEXT: FAQ #6\/15 - Constants and equations for calculations\n","1831":"From: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com (Robert Synoski)\nSubject: 24 bit Graphics cards\nNntp-Posting-Host: parsec\nReply-To: rjs002c@parsec.paradyne.com\nOrganization: AT&T Paradyne, Largo Florida\nLines: 10\n\nI am looking for EISA or VESA local bus graphic cards that support at least \n1024x786x24 resolution.  I know Matrox has one, but it is very expensive.  All the\nother cards I know of, that support that resoultion, are striaght ISA. \n\nAlso are there any X servers for a unix PC that support 24 bits?\n\nthanks\n\n\n\n","1832":"From: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)\nSubject: Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???\nKeywords: Quadra SCSI APS\nLines: 13\nReply-To: jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski)\nOrganization: NASA\/Goddard Space Flight Center\n\njim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:\n\n>What the heck is this? Is this true? APS has no info, since they get their\n>Formatter from Apollyonics and they haven't been any help...\n\t       ------------\n\nActually, it's Transoft now, and that's what I meant ;)\n-- \n    Jim Jagielski               |  \"And he's gonna stiff me. So I say,\n    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |   'Hey! Lama! How about something,\n    NASA\/GSFC, Code 734.4       |   you know, for the effort!'\"\n    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |\n\n","1833":"From: pablo@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Pablo A Iglesias)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nOrganization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu\n\nIn article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:\n>Just wondering.  A friend and I were talking the other day, and\n>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish\n>baseball players, past and present.  We weren't able to come up\n>with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and\n>maybe John Lowenstein.  Can anyone come up with any more.  I know\n>it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but\n>humor us.  Thanks for your help.\n>\n>Thanks.\n>Bobby\n\n\n\nHank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish\nfaith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world\nseries games because of Yom Kippur)\n\n\n\n-- \nPablo Iglesias                        \npi@ruth.ece.jhu.edu\n\n","1834":"Subject: Why isolate it?\nFrom: chinsz@eis.calstate.edu (Christopher Hinsz)\nOrganization: Calif State Univ\/Electronic Information Services\nLines: 13\n\n\tDoes anyone on this newsgroup happen to know WHY morphine was\nfirst isolated from opium?  If you know why, or have an idea for where I\ncould look to find this info, please mail me.\n\tCSH\nany suggestionas would be greatly appreciated\n\n--\n \"Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach\nthe very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply.\"\n\t\t\t\t\tSir George Head, OBE (JC)\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nLOGIC: \"The point is frozen, the beast is dead, what is the difference?\"\n\t\t\t\t\tGavin Millarrrrrrrrrr (JC)\n","1835":"From: tessmann@cs.ubc.ca (Markus Tessmann)\nSubject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???\nOrganization: Computer Science, University of B.C., Vancouver, B.C., Canada\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: larry.cs.ubc.ca\n\nstgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini) writes:\n\n>They need a hit software product to encourage software sales of the product,\n>i.e. the Pong, Pacman, VisiCalc, dBase, or Pagemaker of multi-media.\n>There are some multi-media and digital television products out there already,\n>albeit, not as capable as 3DO's.  But are there compelling reasons to buy\n>such yet?  Perhaps someone in this news group will write that hit software :-)\n\nI've just had the good fortune to be hired by Electronic Arts as Senior\nComputer Graphics Artist at the Vancouver, Canada office.  :^)\n\nThe timing has a lot to do with the 3DO which EA is putting a lot of resources\ninto.  I do not know of any titles to be developed as yet but will be happy to\npost as things develop.  I start there May 3.\n\n\tMarkus Tessmann\n","1836":"From: gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\nSubject: sound recording on mac portable answer (or lead)\nOrganization: Jack's Amazing CockRoach Capitalist Ventures\nLines: 7\n\nWhatever equipment will work on a mac plus or a mac se will work fine on \na mac portable. It doesn't have a sound input, but there is equipment \nthat works fine with those models mentioned in macuser\/macworld.\n\n--\n     gene@jackatak.raider.net (Gene Wright)\n------------jackatak.raider.net   (615) 377-5980 ------------\n","1837":"From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)\nSubject: Re: Maxima Chain wax\nNntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu\nOrganization: Amherst College\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]\nLines: 31\n\nTom Dietrich (txd@ESD.3Com.COM) wrote:\n: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:\n: \n: >I bought it, I tried it:\n: \n: >It is, truly, the miracle spooge.\n: \n: >My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.\n: \n: Good, glad to hear it, I'm still studying it.\n: \n: >I think life is now complete...The shaft drive weenies now\n: >have no comeback when I discuss shaft effect.\n: \n: Sure I do, even though I don't consider myself a weenie... \n\n---------------- rip! pithy \"I'm afraid to work on my bike\" stuff deleted ---\n\n: There is also damn little if any shaft effect\n: with a Concours. So there! :{P PPPpppphhhhhttttttt!!!\n: \nHeh, heh...that's pretty funny. So what do you call it instead of shaft\neffect?\n\n\nNathaniel\nZX-10  <--- damn little if any shaft effect\nDoD 0812\nAMA\n\np.s. okay, so it's flame bait, so what\n","1838":"From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten)\nSubject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!\nOrganization: The Laughing Gnome Software Farm, Atlanta, GA, USA\nLines: 13\nNNTP-Posting-Host: noel.pd.org\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\n\njames.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:\n>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:\n>>ps.  I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and\n>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.\n>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.\n\nCam chain.\n\n  -Mike\n\nMike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522\nIrony is the spice of life.     '90 Bianchi Backstreet  '82 Suzuki GS850GL\n\"The revolution will not be televised.\"\n","1839":"From: dpc47852@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Daniel Paul Checkman)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nArticle-I.D.: news.C5wI4F.Dt\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 22\n\nbruce@Data-IO.COM (Bruce Reynolds) writes:\n\n>Anecedotal evidence is worthless.  Even doctors who have been using a drug\n>or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised\n>at the results of clinical trials.  Whether or not MSG causes describable,\n>reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover.  \n\nI tend to disagree- I think anecdotal evidence, provided there is a lot of it,\nand it is fairly consistent, will is very important.  First, it points to the\nnecessity of doing a study, and second, it at least says that the effects are\nall psychological (or possibly allergy in this case).  As I've pointed out \nbefore, pyschological effects are no less real than other effects.  One       \nperson's \"make-believe\" can easily be another person's reality.  Using \npsychadelic drugs in a bizarre and twisted example, the hallucinations one\nperson experiences on an acid trip cannot be guaranteed to another person on\nan acid trip- there is no clinical evidence that those effects are always going\nto happen.  Anyhow, that was a pretty lame example, but hopefully I made my\npoint- it's all a matter of perception, and as long as someone ingesting MSG\nperceives it as causing bad effects, then s\/he can definitely experience those\naffects.  On the other hand, it could just be an allergy to the food it's in,   or something.  Still, anecdotal evidence is not worthless- it's the stuff that\nleads to the study being done.\n-Dan\n","1840":"From: mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu (Marc Foster)\nSubject: Re: Expansion\nOriginator: news@midway.ecn.uoknor.edu\nDistribution: na\nNntp-Posting-Host: midway.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <PATRICK.93Apr2201529@blanco.owlnet.rice.edu> patrick@blanco.owlnet.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:\n>On Fri, 2 Apr 1993 22:05:16 GMT, vamwendt@atlas.cs.upei.ca (Michael Wendt) said\n\n>>16.   Albany (New York), Boise (Idaho)--A couple of cities with fair interest\n>>but size and closeness to other teams is a question.\n\n>Albany has their AHL franchise (though it goes by the Capital District label),\n>but Boise?  Forget it.  The CHL made an attempt at that part of the country in\n>1983-84, with a franchise in Great Falls -- and no one showed up.  Folks up in\n>that part of the PNW just aren't interested in hockey.\n\nHey Patrick, the Montana Magic played in Billings, not Great Falls...\n\n>--PLH, I know where I'd put the next two NHL expansion teams: Phoenix and\n>Houston, assuming the Whalers don't pack up and move in the meantime...\n\nMarc, Phoenix and Houston it is... \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n        _\/_\/    _\/         _\/_\/   _\/_\/_\/_\/ _\/_\/_\/_\/   _\/_\/     _\/_\/_\/ \n     _\/    _\/  _\/       _\/    _\/      _\/  _\/       _\/    _\/  _\/\n    _\/    _\/  _\/       _\/    _\/     _\/   _\/       _\/    _\/  _\/\n   _\/_\/_\/    _\/       _\/_\/_\/_\/    _\/    _\/_\/_\/   _\/_\/_\/      _\/_\/\n  _\/    _\/  _\/       _\/    _\/   _\/     _\/       _\/    _\/        _\/\n _\/    _\/  _\/       _\/    _\/  _\/      _\/       _\/     _\/       _\/    _ _ _____\n_\/_\/_\/    _\/_\/_\/_\/ _\/    _\/ _\/_\/_\/_\/ _\/_\/_\/_\/ _\/      _\/ _\/_\/_\/     - - \/____\/\n...............................................................................\nMarc Foster, r.s.h contact for the Oklahoma City Blazers, 1993 Central Hockey\nUniversity of Oklahoma Geography Department               League Adams Cup\nInternet: mfoster@geohub.gcn.uoknor.edu                   Champions\n          mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu \n\nTo be placed on the CHL Mailing List, send email to either address above.\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1841":"From: rmm@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (richard.m.maniscalco)\nSubject: Re: Share your optimization tips\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1pm61pINNp45@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (John Bodnar) writes:\n>According to e_p@unl.edu (edgar pearlstein):\n>>        Here's another one:\n>>\n>>        5.  My computer arrived with the following statement in its\n>>            config.sys file:  STACKS = 9,256.  I changed it to\n>>            STACKS = 8,128 and saved 1296 bytes.  Maybe it could be\n>>            lowered even more, but I haven't tried it. \n>\n>Exactly.\n>\n>Regardless of what Microsoft says, I have set STACKS=0,0 on every single\n>computer I have installed Windows on from a simple 386SX-16 up to 486DX-50\n>with EISA motherboards, NDI Volante TIGA adapters, Intel Ethernet Express\n>cards, and caching SCSI controllers from DPT and DTC.\n>\n>Not a problem yet, and the extra 2K+ gained means a lot with conventional\n>memory gobbling programs like OrCAD and Tango PCB.\n>-- \n>John Bodnar                          : \"While we liked developing Windows\n>The University of Texas at Austin    :  applications, we never inhaled.\"\n>Internet: jbodnar@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu : \n>UUCP: ....!cs.utexas!ut-ccwf!jbodnar :       -- Borland CEO Philippe Kahn\n\n\n\nI remember reading somewhere (QEMM manual, I think) that \nSTACK=9,256 is needed only for the Windows SETUP program.  \nOtherwise, use STACK=0,0.\n\n\tRich\n\n\n","1842":"From: se08+@andrew.cmu.edu (Seth Adam Eliot)\nSubject: reference needed....\nOrganization: Doctoral student, Materials Science and Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 22\n\n\nDoes anybody have any solid data on how many legally owned versus\nillegally owned firearms are used in crime.  I know the number of\nlegally owned guns used in crime is small, but I would like a number,\nand a reference if possible.\n\nData should be e-mailed to me.\nOpen discussion should be directed to talk.politics.guns\n\n-Seth\n\n__________________________________________________________________________\n[unlike cats] dogs NEVER scratch you when you wash them. They just\nbecome very sad and try to figure out what they did wrong. -Dave Barry\n           \nSeth Eliot                    Dept of Material Science and Engineering\n                              Carnegie Mellon Univerity,   Pittsburgh, PA\nARPA    :eliot+@cmu.edu       |------------------------------------------\n   or    se08+@andrew.cmu.edu |\nBitnet:  se08%andrew@cmccvb   |      \n------------------------------|\n\n","1843":"From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)\nSubject: Re: RIM NEEDED\nKeywords: Either do it, or keep you opinions to yourself.\nOrganization: Duke University; Durham, N.C.\nLines: 46\nNntp-Posting-Host: north1.acpub.duke.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.210922.20916@news.columbia.edu> twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang) writes:\n>In article <13177@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante)writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr13.122643.3180@walter.bellcore.com> pgoudas@gomer.bellcore.com (Paul Goudas) writes:\n>>>\tAlso, is there a law or something that requires NYC to keep it's\n>>\t\t\t ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>>>street empty of potholes greater than a certain depth?  I (rather my bike) \n>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>>\n>>HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA WHAHwuhuhahuah!!!!\n>>\n>>That's a good one!!  Really, stop!  I can't breathe!!\n>\n>\tBite your tongue. Those of us who ACTUALLY RIDE in NYC on a\n>daily basis could not live without those Potholes. It'll ruin the\n>flavor. It's not enough just to dodge taxis, buses, pedistrians,\n>bicycle messengers, and BDI's on a block by block basis. Those\n>potholes always makes for that sudden randomness that makes it all so\n>much fun. Besides, where else can you think of that allows you to\n>constantly test your panic braking, shocks, and dirt-riding abilities\n>all on city streets. You smooth asphalt canyon carvers don't know what\n>you're missing.\n>\n>8-)........\n>\nI was laughing about the law part.\n\nI've driven thru SOHO...manahattan, _I_ know what' you're talking 'bout...\n\n:^)\n\nNot that Durham, NC is any better...\n\n(well, maybe a little bit anyway, but the NC DOT takes more\nmoney from road taxes and puts it in their own pockets and\ninto the pockets of the guys building the large condos that\nneed their own roads than they do back into fixing roads, but\nhey, the local paper did a report of this last summer, and \nboy, am I glad I don't work for the DOT, 'cause they got SHAT\non, bigtime....wonder who lost their jobs?  ED?  Got any idea?)\n\n\n-- \nAndy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |\n'71 BMW R60\/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | \nDoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | \n==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | \n","1844":"From: adams@hunter.unr.edu (Brian Adams)\nSubject: Re: In memoriam: Dan Kelly and Danny Gallivan\nOrganization: University of Nevada, Reno  Department of Computer Science\nDistribution: na\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.194440.18546@ists.ists.ca> dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (Deepak Chhabra) writes:\n>In article <burke.1-290393150052@burkemac.oshag.nd.edu> burke.1@nd.edu (R. P. Burke) writes:\n>>When talking about hockey broadcasters, let's give a moment of silence to\n>>remember the St. Louis Blues' great, Dan Kelly. (Many of you may have heard\n>>him in the late 60s and early 70s on CBS.) He used to do Hockey Night In\n>>Canada intermissions, with another recently deceased great, Danny Gallivan\n>>of the Canadiens.\n>\n\nI *loved* Dan Kelly!  He was on USA when I first got hooked on Hockey back\nin 1980 or so.  No, he wasn't always spot on top of the play, and he\nwasn't overly cute, but those pipes!  That lusty, barrel chested, voice!\nNo pipsqueak was he (unlike some fellas we know!)\n\nI rode into hockey mania on the coattails of Gretzky and the Boys on the\nBus.  My first Finals saw the Islanders sweep them.  But I'll never\nforget the night, a year later, when the Oilers closed it out at home in\nthe pandemonium, the smoke from a million sparklers, the long empty-net\ngoal near the end, and Dan Kelly letting the crowd's reaction tell the\nstory for a few long seconds, then that voice barking through the din\n\"Dave Lumley ... sews it up for Edmonton!\"  It sounds stupid, but that\nearly (for me) hockey memory will always bring a thrill.  Since then\nI've grown a lot more jaded about the game, but I was really saddened\nby Dan Kelly's passing.  He was one of the good guys.\n\nBrian Adams\nReno\n\n\n\n","1845":"From: wb9omc@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (Duane P Mantick)\nSubject: Re: IR remote control receiver\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 29\n\nab616@Freenet.carleton.ca (Marc Dion) writes:\n\n\n>For a project of my own, I would like to build a Infra-Red Remote control\n>receiver (for regular VCRs and TVs remotes).  Does anybody have any info\n>or tips on how to build such receiver ?\n>In particular,\n>a) which photo detector should I use (which wavelength do remotes use) ?\n>b) which ICs or circuit should I use ?\n>c) any suggestions for circuit layout\n\n>Please reply to this group (if you wish), but as well via e-mail (my\n>link to usenet is not always available).\n\n\tI'd like to see this info as well.  As for wavelength, I think\nyou're primarily going to find two - 880 nM +\/- a bit, and\/or 950 nM\n+\/- a bit.  Usually it is about 10 nM either way.  The two most common\nI have seen were 880 and 950 but I have also heard of 890 and 940.\nI'm not sure that the 10 nM one way or another will make a great deal of\ndifference.\n\n\tAnother suggestion - find a brand of TV that uses an IR remote,\nand go look at the SAMS photofact for it.  You can often find some very\ndetailed schematics and parts list for not only the receiver but the\ntransmitter as well, including carrier freq. specs. and tone decoding\nspecs. if the system uses that.\n\nDuane\n\n","1846":"From: rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (ronald.j.deblock..jr)\nSubject: Re: male\/female mystery [ Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time ]\nArticle-I.D.: cbnewsj.1993Apr6.171209.13913\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1pq8tkINNbek@chester.ksu.ksu.edu> bets@chester.ksu.ksu.edu (Beth Schwindt) writes:\n>\n>Besides which, where would men put all their crap if their wives\n>didn't carry purses? :-)\n>\n>\n>Beth\n>\n\nMy wife rarely carries a purse, so all of her crap ends up in my pockets!\n\n\n-- \nRon DeBlock  rdb1@homxb.att.com  (that's a number 1 in rdb1, not letter l)\nAT&T Bell Labs   Somerset, NJ  USA\n","1847":"From: sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan Sepinwall)\nSubject: Re: WFAN\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 54\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nIn article <C5JC3z.KnD@news.udel.edu> philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.151202.3551@Virginia.EDU> jja2h@Virginia.EDU (\"\") writes:\n>>Does any one out there listen to WFAN?  For those of you who do\n>>not know what I am talking about, it is an all sports radio\n>>staion in New York.  On a clear night the signal reaches up and\n>>down the East coast.  In particular, I want to know how Len\n>>Berman and Mike Lupica's show is.  I go to school in Virginia\n>>so I can't listen when there are on during the day.  Just\n>>wondering.\n\nYou're right about the signal being strong. I live in West Philadelphia,\nand I can get FAN almost perfectly. It's a sports fans dream (especially\nif that person is from NY and wants to hear about his teams while he's\naway at school). As for Lupica & Berman, it's turned out to be Lupica,\nthen Berman. Neither of them wanted to work a full four hour show, so Ed\nColeman and Dave Sims' old four-hour slot was broken down into two\nseperate two-hour show - Lupica from 10-12, and Berman from 12-2. And they\nboth happen to suck in comparison to Eddie and Dave.  COME BACK, GUYS!\n\n>\n>The FAN is an okay Sports Radio station, but doesn't come close to\n>the ULTIMATE in Sports Radio, 610 WIP in Philadelphia.  The signal\n>might not be as powerful, but then again only stations in New York\n>feel \"obligated\" to pollute everyone else's airwaves with a bunch of\n>hoodlum Mets fans complaining 24 hours a day.  WIP took two of your\n>best sports jockeys too, Jody MacDonald and Steve Fredericks.  610\n>WIP is rockin with sports talk from 5:30 AM till midnight, check it\n>out anytime your within a few hours of Philadelphia.  If I'm not\n>mistaken, WIP has the highest sports talk ratings in the nation?\n>\n\nLike I said, I live in Philly, so I can hear FAN and\/or WIP whenever I\nwant. But I cannot stand WIP. And it isn't because I loathe the Philly\nsports teams - the Phillies are my favorite NL team (Yanks are favorite\nAL), and the Eagles aren't too bad either. There are two big problems:\n\n\t1)Total emphasis on the home teams, especially the Eagles. Unlike\n\t  the FAN hosts, who can at least answer a question about an\n\t  out-of-town team if a caller asks, the WIP hosts seem\n \t  to have no clue about any team that doesn't play on\n\t  Broad Street. Also, FANs periodic sports updates (every 20\n\t  minutes) gives sports news and scores from around the\n\t  country. It's very rare to hear an out-of-town score\n\t  being reported on WIP.\n\n\t2)The hosts. With the exception of Jody MacDonald, who I miss\n\t  from his days at FAN, none of the hosts really seems to have\n\t  both a broad knowledge of the sport or a good on-air presence.\n\t  The worst is Gary Cobb, who seems to have been hired solely\n\t  on the basis that he used to play for the Eagles.\n\nAnyway, that's my two cents on the whole FAN vs WIP battle.\n\n-Alan\n","1848":"From: maher@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov (552)\nSubject: Wanted: critiques on multi-windowing system toolkits\nOrganization: NASA\/Goddard Space Flight Center\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kong.gsfc.nasa.gov\n\nAny pointers to articles, or personal opinions, critiquing user\ninterface toolkits that operate across many windowing systems (e.g., X,\nMS Windows, Macintosh) - you know, Open Interface, XVT, Aspect ...\n\nIf you reply with your opinion, please BRIEFLY state your choice and a\nshort discussion why.\n\nSteve Maher\n\nmaher@outland.gsfc.nasa.gov\n-- \n-----------------------------------------------------------------\nSteve Maher                              (301) 286-5666 (voice)\nFlight Dynamics Division                 maher@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov\nNASA\/Goddard Space Flight Center \n","1849":"From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt)\nSubject: Thanks for the speeding ticket advice!\nArticle-I.D.: mcimail.85930406235158\/0005111312NA1EM\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 37\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nI'd like to thank everyone who took the time to respond to my post about \nfighting my ticket.\n\nMany of you wrote to say that you have successfully fought and won your \ncase in court.  Others lost due to the cop outright lying to the judge \nabout the circumstances surrounding your ticket, while one fellow lost\nbecause the judge just didn't appear to be in the mood for such foolishness.\n\nSeveral of you suggested that I obtain a book called \"Fight Your Ticket\".\n\nThe general theme from those who said \"go for it\", was to be prepared.  \nI should do as much research as possible, go back and review the scene, \ntranscribe what happened to tape or paper, use any witnesses that may \nhave been around, have a list of questions to ask the cop and\/or the judge,\nand to be positive and assertive.  I am innocent until proven guilty! <gulp>\n\nA few people suggested trying to get my court date changed, as this might \ntrip up the arresting officer, he may not show up if the date is on his day\noff or if he feels\/knows that he doesn't have a chance to win against you.\n\nOne individual stated that an Officer could be an Expert Witness, and if he\nsays I was speeding, then by damn, I was speeding.\n\nAnother says that I must have been paced or clocked with a radar gun.\n\nLots of good suggestions and ideas from you all.  I'll let you know what\nhappens after the big day!\n\n\/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\\\n\n| Peter D. Nesbitt |     Air Traffic Controller     | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM    |\n\n|                  |       Oakland Bay TRACON       |                         |\n\n\\-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\/\n\n \n","1850":"From: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca (Roderick Campbell)\nSubject: Re: PC\/Geos, Windows, OS\/2, and Unix\/X11\nReply-To: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca\nOrganization: Dept. of Physics, Memorial University\nLines: 61\n\nIn article <sehari.734022369@vincent2.iastate.edu>, sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:\n|> ---\n|> \n|> \n|> \n|> With my limited knowladge about the PC Geos, I came out with following \n|> comparison:\n|> \n|>                  PC Geos      Windows       OS\/2    Unix\/X11\n|>                 ________      _______       ____    _______\n|> \n|> 1. Can run dos\n|>    programs        yes           yes         yes     yes(needed add.)\n|> \n\n[lines deleted]\n\n|> \n|> 7. price          $120          $70         $120     free-$1000s\n|>                                                      A good one\n|>                                                      costs $400-$700 \n|>                                                      avaliable on Ext.\n|>                                                      card too.\n|> \n|> 8. C compiler Don't think so    yap          yap     yap\n|> \n|> 9. C++           no             Yap          Yap     Yap\n|> \n|> 10. Fortran      no             yap          yap     yap\n|> \n|> 11. debuger      ?              yap           yap    yap\n|> \n|> 12. min to run   dos        2M & 10Mb-Hard     ?     386\n|> \n|> You guys and gals add to this list, so we do not throw our many down the \n|> tubes.\n|> \n|>                       With highest regards,\n|>                            Babak   Sehari.\n|> \n\nThis list appears to imply, that MS-windows that has a cost listed\nabove at $70, comes with a C compiler, C++ and Fortran. It does not, of\ncourse. These are expensive add-ons that drive the price WAY beyond $70.\n( I don't know if the same applies to OS\/2 )\n\nAs far as unix is concerned;\nThere is a free unix, linux, that has cc, ~c++, fortran ( f2c ),\nXwindows and many other features besides, with a large number of utilities\nthat can be optionally added. And there is also a free 386BSD I believe.\nBoth these unix's are quite robust. You can check out comp.os.linux\n\nIf you don't want to \"throw our many down the tubes\", you've got to break\nthat list down a little more.\n\n-- \nRoderick Campbell\nDepartment of Physics\nMemorial University of Newfoundland\nSt. John's, NF, CANADA\ninternet: rcampbel@weejordy.physics.mun.ca\n","1851":"From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\nSubject: Ram boards on a 486??\nNntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com\nReply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com\nOrganization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user\n              at Oracle Corporation.  The opinions expressed are those\n              of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.\nLines: 27\n\n\nHello,\n\n\tI have a 486sx25 ISA machine with Pheonix BIOS.  Currently I have  \n8 megabytes of RAM installed via eight 1 MG SIMMS on the motherboard: ie.  \nboth banks are full, and there is no space for more SIMMS.  I am thinking  \nof running OS2 on my machine and Possibly Linux with X windows, and I know  \nthat more RAM would be helpful.  However with SIMMS, the only solution I  \ncan see is to sell my 8 Megs for about $180, and by 4 4mg SIMMS for about  \n$400 used. Apart from the fact that I can't afford the price right now,  \nthe entire process of selling RAM and buying it used probably means that  \nthe machine might be down for a number of days which I would rather  \navoid...\n\nSo my question is, do the AT RAM boards that plug into a free slot work  \nwell with a 486 ISA machine. I have seen some being sold used for about  \n$90 with 4 Mg with space for another 4Mg's.  If these boards do work, how  \ndo they do it?  Is a device driver needed, or will the BIOS pickup the  \nextra RAM as it does with the SIMMS on the mother board? I know that the  \nISA expansions slots are 16-bits and 486 SIMM memory is 32 bits, so  \nprobably all of this is just wishful thinking... However any help is truly  \nappreciated.\n\n-Eric\n\nebosco@us.oracle.com\n\n","1852":"From: lovall@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Daniel L. Lovall)\nSubject: Buick heater controls\nSummary: My air vents don't work on my 71 Skylark\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Purdue University Physics Department\nLines: 31\n\nI have a '71 Buick Skylark with 148K on it.  I bought it in California, and if\nit'll let me, I'd like to keep it for another year.  The only problem is these\nIndiana winters--my heater controls don't work.\n\nThe car has vacuum operated control switches for the vents.  Right now it is\nstuck in the \"vent\" mode.  It will blow warm air, but I can't switch the air\nflow to either the floor (I can live without this) or the defrost (I can't \nlive without this).  I probably could just jam the air deflector to the \ndefrost position, but this blows a lot of air in my face and is, well,\nkind of like putting a vacuum cleaner in reverse.\n\nI have taken parts of the dash off and looked at the vacuum system and I think\nthe problem (or part of it) is with the two diaphragms which control up\/down\nand outside\/inside air flow.  THe diaphragm which controls outside(vent)\/in-\nside(no vent) air is cracked most of the way around, and the other one is\nprobably damaged too, considering the advanced age of the car.\n\nTwo questions:\n\n\t1)  Is there anything I should be aware of about this (other than\n\tthe fact that I should move from Indiana) ?\n\n\t2)  In the event that replacement diaphragms aren't available, is there\n\ta way to \"fix\" this?\n\nTHanks for any advice\/info\n\nselah,\n\nDan\nlovall@physics.purdue.edu\n","1853":"From: meyers@leonardo.rtp.dg.com (Bill Meyers)\nSubject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting\nOrganization: N\/I\nLines: 114\n\nIn article <1qk3jm$9sh@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr14.221646.2332@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n[ ... ]\n>> \tWhy are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every\n>> \tperson is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude\n>> \tand (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents\n>> \tmake themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when\n>> \tstrangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups\n>> \tlike 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative\n>> \teffectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the\n>> \tgood neighbors step up and say \"THAT'S the one officer ! He\n>> \twas robbing Mr. Jones' house\". \n>\n>Sometimes this works.  Sometimes it just lands your good neighbors \n>on the dance card for the next wave of drive-bys.  Someone here once\n>told a story about LA gangs moving into Phoenix.  I've misplaced the\n\nHere'a a copy, cdt:\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,ou.politics\n>Path: dg-rtp!psinntp!uunet!sun-barr!ames!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!wupost!csus.edu!netcom.com!mvp\n>From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)\n>Subject: The difference an armed civilian population makes\n>Message-ID: <y52n_tc.mvp@netcom.com>\n>Date: Thu, 17 Sep 92 23:42:42 GMT\n>Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\n>References: <swood.716099748@vela>\n>Lines: 84\n>\n>Along the lines of \"The Armed Citizen\", here's a story that\n>some of you may find amusing.  It's a story about Arizona\n>house-hunting, from Leslie Fish, musician and author...\n>\n>----\n>     ... One of the reasons I'm planning to move to Arizona is that --\n>despite its lousy economy, 4-way race problems, simmering religious\n>problems and hopelessly bad government -- Arizona has one of the lowest\n>violent- crime rates in the country. Is it just coincidence that\n>Arizona is also one of the few remaining no-gun- control states in the\n>country?\n>\n>    Well, consider this funny story. Last time I was in Phoenix,\n>staying with Liz Burnham, I did some checking on the local real-estate\n>market (that's when I discovered that, with my income -- as provable by\n>my tax returns -- I can qualify for every low-income housing loan in\n>the book, with the exception of VA), and I came across an astonishing\n>ad in the local market-paper. It offered a three-bedroom house in the\n>Phoenix area for -- are you ready for this -- all of $10,000. No money\n>down. $100 per month total payments. Christ on a Harley-Davidson! I\n>called up the real-estate office making this offer, made it clear that\n>I was only checking the local market, and asked about that house. Were\n>the walls, roof and foundation structurally sound? Yes. Were the\n>plumbing and electrical systems functional and up to code? Yes. Did the\n>air-conditioning system (an absolute necessity in Phoenix) work?  Yes,\n>again.  Okay, so what was wrong with the house?  Well, it needed lots\n>of plastering, painting, yard work, and some patching of the roof --\n>and yes, low-interest repair loans were available.  Okay, sez I. If\n>that's all that's wrong with it, just why are you selling a 3-bedroom\n>house for all of $10,000? Well, squirms the agent, it's in kind of a\n>bad neighborhood. How bad? sez I, remembering some of the neighborhoods\n>I've seen in Chicago and Oakland.  Worst in the city, the agent sighs,\n>and then he told me this amazing story.\n>\n>    Every few years, it seems, the big vice-gangs in Los Angeles notice\n>that there's no gang presence in Phoenix -- which is just a quick\n>5-hour drive from LA -- and get the idea of setting up a subsidiary\n>there. Well, a couple years ago, the colonizing force came to this\n>neighborhood -- it being poor and Spanish, they figured they could move\n>right in and take over -- bought this house and started operations.\n>Unfortunately for them, the neighbors not only didn't like this -- they\n>didn't care for whores trotting up and down their streets all night,\n>pimps soliciting their kids, dope- deals on the corners in broad\n>daylight, and so on -- they weren't afraid to do something about it.\n>The neighbors called the cops (for some reason, the Phoenix police are\n>remarkably honest, capable, polite and prompt), and the cops promptly\n>came and swept up all the whores, pimps and pushers off the street and\n>away to jail. The remaining gang members decided to retaliate in the\n>fashion they usually use in LA; they got the complainant's name and\n>address off the court records, and did a drive-by shooting at his\n>house.  Well, this wasn't Los Angeles. The moment the neighbors heard\n>the first gunshots fired, they all ran out their front doors with their\n>own guns -- rifles, shotguns, pistols, everything -- and shot back.\n>\n>    The car didn't make it to the end of the block. It coasted to a\n>stop, riddled with more holes than the famous Bonnie and Clyde getaway\n>car (which I've seen; it's on display in a casino in a casino in Las\n>Vegas).  The gas tank and fuel lines had been ruptured, so the car\n>caught fire. The neighbors waited a good 15 minutes -- making sure\n>nobody got out of that car -- before they called the fire department to\n>come put out the fire and tow the wreck away. By that time, the asphalt\n>under the car had melted and caught fire too, which subsequently left a\n>large and nasty pot-hole in the street. The city is slow about\n>repairing small streets, so the hole stayed there providing a traffic\n>hazard for several months. All this was two years ago, the agent\n>concluded, and there's been no trouble since, but the house and the\n>neighborhood still have a bad reputation -- and that's why the house\n>was so cheap.\n>\n>    Hearing this story, I nearly laughed my ass off. I told the agent\n>that if I had the money at the moment, I'd by-god buy the house; this\n>was _nothing_ compared to bad neighborhoods I'd seen here in\n>California, where drive-by shootings go unchecked by the well-armed\n>cops, let alone by the unarmed neighbors. If that's the absolute worst\n>you'll find in Phoenix, then that's the city for me.\n>\n>    That's the difference that an armed civilian population makes.\n>Think about it.\n>\n>\n>-- \n>Mike Van Pelt                                When guns are outlawed,\n>mvp@netcom.com                               only Carl Rowan will have guns.\n>mvp@hsv3.lsil.com\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1854":"From: colinm@max.carleton.ca (Colin McFadyen)\nSubject: Maxtor 2190 info needed (was Re: UNIX PC Software for sale)\nOrganization: Carleton University\nLines: 14\n\nIn <1qvs59$knh@crl.crl.com> bob@nntp.crl.com (Bob Ames) writes:\n\n>Here is a list of items for the 3B1 which I am selling:\n\nList deleted..........\n\n>PPS:  Priam D519 150M Hard Drives (Exactly same as Maxtor 2190, but faster)\n\nDoes anyone know what the jumpers should be set to on the Maxtor 2190??\nI have a 2190 that came off of a VS2000 that I would like to use on a PC.\n\nThanks in advance...Colin.\n","1855":"From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith)\nSubject: Letter to a Liberal Colleague -- L. Neil Smith\nDistribution: usa\nNntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523\nLines: 147\n\nPosted by Cathy Smith for L. Neil Smith\n\n                   LETTER TO A LIBERAL COLLEAGUE\n\n[AUTHOR'S NOTE:  \"Adrian\" -- name changed to protect the guilty -- \nand the author are science fiction novelists who once worked with \nthe same editor at a famous New York publishing house.]\n\nDear Adrian:  \n\nI'm way behind schedule on my current book again, so this reply to \nyour note -- criticizing the recent magazine interview I gave and \ngenerally attacking gun ownership -- will necessarily consist \nmostly of assertions you're free to believe (or not) I can back \nwith evidence and logic I've neither time nor energy to present \nnow.  I've written fully on this topic before and will again in the \nfuture.  When I do, I'll make sure you get copies.  \n\nThere are many arguments I might make, from the futility and danger \nof delegating self-defense to the police (see Don Kates in the Jan. \n10, 1985 WALL STREET JOURNAL) to the real effect of prohibition, \nshifting consumers from newly-outlawed handguns or semiautomatic \nrifles to items like sawed-off shotguns or homemade bombs, but I'll \nlimit myself here to commenting on the newspaper clipping you sent \nwith your note.  \n\nFirst, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a \nnatural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and \nConstitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process \nnor to arguments grounded in social utility.  \n\nSecond, publication of some latter-day \"scientific study\" doesn't \nalter the fact that the gun prohibitionists I discussed in my \ninterview -- annoying you so much in the process -- were lying.  \n\nThird, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a \nnatural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and \nConstitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process \nnor to arguments grounded in social utility.  \n\nFourth, as often happens with these things, the \"study\" doesn't \nsupport the gun prohibitionists' original numerical contentions \nanyway, but simply adds a new layer of spurious claims to an older \nbody of lies, omissions, and distortions.  \n\nFifth, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a \nnatural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and \nConstitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process \nnor to arguments grounded in social utility.  \n\nSixth, the fact that gun prohibitionists have been caught lying on \ncountless occasions (Carl Bakal, author of NO RIGHT TO KEEP AND \nBEAR ARMS, even confessed to it publicly) makes the value of this \npresent \"study\" dubious, to say the least.  \n\nSeventh, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is \na natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, \nand Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic \nprocess nor to arguments grounded in social utility.  \n\nEighth, given your own lifelong service as a federal bureaucrat \n(not to mention the cynical sophistication of your fiction), you \nshould be better aware than most people how \"progress\" -- in \ndesigning \"studies\" to prove whatever you want -- outstrips our \nability to collect meaningful data.  A case in point we might agree \non is the fact that it took another kind of prohibitionist 20 or 30 \nyears to create \"studies\" \"proving\" that pornography causes crime.  \nMore naive (and probably more honest) efforts in the 50s and 60s \nclearly indicate the contrary.  \n\nNinth, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a \nnatural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and \nConstitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process \nnor to arguments grounded in social utility.  \n\nTenth, another reason to doubt all such \"studies\" is that human \nbehavior (as the Austrian School of economics demonstrates) is far\ntoo complex and unpredictable to be meaningfully quantified.  The \nattempt to do so -- and then create public policy based on the \nresulting pseudo-information -- is wrecking our civilization.  \n\nEleventh, the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is \na natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, \nand Constitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic \nprocess nor to arguments grounded in social utility.  \n\nTwelfth, the \"study\" is also worthless because it incorporates \nfigures for suicide, which is not necessarily a tragedy but \nbasically another individual right, sometimes with ancillary social \nbenefits.  If anything, perhaps suicide INTERVENTION should be a \ncriminal offense.  \n\nThirteenth and finally, the National Rifle Association officials \nquoted in the article, whatever their shortcomings (and they are \nmany), are correct in this instance:  the \"study\" is meaningless \nbecause the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a \nnatural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and \nConstitutional right -- subject neither to the democratic process \nnor to arguments grounded in social utility.  \n\nAnd because of that, Adrian, even if the \"study\" were valid, it \nwouldn't deter me from a lifelong personal objective of seeing that \nanyone can own any weapon he or she prefers and carry it however, \nwhenever, and wherever he or she desires without asking anybody's \npermission. In this I'm ably assisted by gun prohibitionists \nthemselves, whose yawping invariably moves previously unarmed \npeople to go out and buy their first gun \"while they still can\".  \nBefore the '68 Gun Control Act, most of the \"shooting fraternity\" \nviewed handguns (incorrectly, as it turned out) as inaccurate, \nineffective toys.  There probably weren't six million of them in \nthe whole country.  Now, thanks to Kennedy, Metzenbaum, the Bradys, \nand their ilk -- AMERICA'S GREATEST SPORTING GOODS SALES TEAM -- we \nprobably manufacture at least that many every year.\n\nThe fascinating datum is that Handgun Control, et al. are perfectly \naware of this -- so I guess you'll have to ask them yourself what \ntheir real motives are.  \n\nLook:  gun-making isn't an arcane or difficult art (and by the way, \nit's easier to make a fully automatic weapon than a semiautomatic; \nthe fact that I can still obtain my own weapon of preference, the \nself-loading pistol, is the only thing which keeps me from pursuing \nthis further).  Even if it were difficult, there are already a \nquarter billion firearms in America, with an estimated \"half life\" \nof 1000 years -- possibly more for stainless steel.  Guns are gonna \nbe around a long time, Adrian, whether you like it or not.\n\nAs for me, to paraphrase Elmer Keith, regardless of what the law \nprovides or any court decides, I'm always going to be armed.  And I \nwill always work to see that others are, as well.  The bad news is \nthat there are thousands more -- perhaps even hundreds of thousands \n-- where I come from.  We can't be stopped by passing laws, we can \nonly be forced to arm ourselves and others secretly and -- given \nboth the practical and alleged differences between full automatics \nand semiautomatics -- perhaps more efficiently.  \n\nSo what's the point?  \n\nL. Neil Smith\nAuthor:  THE PROBABILITY BROACH, THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE, HENRY MARTYN, \nand (forthcoming) PALLAS\nLEVER ACTION BBS (303) 493-6674, FIDOnet: 1:306\/31.4\nLibertarian Second Amendment Caucus\nNRA Life Member\n\nMy opinions are, of course, my own.\n\n","1856":"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)\nSubject: Re: Isuzu Amigo Opinions sought\nOrganization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH\nLines: 16\nReply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, sdexter@shl.com (Scott Dexter) says:\n\n\n>I like the Amigo; I would like some feedback...\n>\n>Any and all feedback appreciated-\n\n\nYet another Jeep wannabe designed for yuppies who will never take it off road but want\nto look \"outdoorsey\".\n-- \nDoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan\n   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of\n      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein\n         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________\n","1857":"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.024222.11181@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca> cs902043@ariel.yorku.ca (SHAWN LUDDINGTON) writes:\n>\n>Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their\n>fingers.\n\nYah.  So?\n\n>Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his \n>future.\n\nHe certainly didn't earn his last one.  *HOW* many games did he blow\nin the World Series?  All of the ones he started?\n\n>Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing.\n\nOh, yes.  Definitely.  Therefore Morris is better than Clemens.\n\nDon't give me that shit.  If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and\nWard while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would\nhave looked a little different last fall.  Give credit where credit is\ndue.  This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick.\n\n>And don't tell me Boston will win this year.  They won't \n>even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.\n\nI'm willing to bet they don't finish sixth.  I'm also willing to bet\nthey don't finish first.  And if you give me 3-2 odds, I'm willing to\nbet that they finish ahead of the Blue Jays.\n\n-Valentine\n","1858":"From: mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nReply-To: mccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jim McCoy)\nOrganization: The University of Texas - Austin\nLines: 53\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tramp.cc.utexas.edu\nOriginator: mccoy@tramp.cc.utexas.edu\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.180049.20572@qualcomm.com>, karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org (Phil Karn) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr18.233112.24107@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:\n> |> >Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and\n> |> >voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests.\n> |> \n> |> I am sure that Mike is correct on this point.  I am also pretty sure that\n> |> administering \"truth serum\" would be ruled a violation of your right\n> |> not to incriminate yourself.  But, what is the salient difference?\n> \n> You can find the salient difference in any number of 5th amendment\n> related Supreme Court opinions. The Court limits 5th amendment\n> protections to what they call \"testimonial\" evidence, as opposed to\n> physical evidence.\n\nI have a question that is a slight variation on the previously mentioned\nexamples that perhaps people could give me some pointers on (it has been a\ncouple of years since my Con Law class in college so I hope I am not\nmissing something obvious here...)\n\nBasic Scenario:\n\n\tI set up a bbs that uses public-key encryption and encryption of\n\tfiles on disk.  The general setup is designed so that when users \n\tconnect they send a private key encrypted using the system public\n\tkey and the user's public-private keypair is used to wrap the\n\tone-time session keys used for encrypting the files on disk.  The\n\tresult of this is that even if I reveal the system private key it\n\tis impossible for anyone to gain access to the files stored on the\n\tmachine.  What is possible is for someone to use the revealed\n\tsystem private key to entice users into revealing thier personal\n\tprivate keys during the authentication sequence.\n\nQuestions:\n\n\tDoes the fact that the system private key does not provide any\n\tinformation useful for a search give me any protection as far as\n\tbeing coerced to reveal the key?  (I doubt it myself..)\n\n\tIt seems providing the system private key does not mean that I am\n\tassisting in \"entrapment\" (the users would send thier key anyway\n\tand are not being enticed into doing something they would not\n\totherwise do) but is there any other hook that can be used?\n\n\tWould the user private-key enticement require wiretap approval?\n\nAny answers or general musings on the subject would be appreciated...\n\njim\n-- \nJim McCoy                |  UT Unix Sysadmin Tiger Team\nmccoy@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu |  #include <disclaimer.h>\nj-mccoy@nwu.edu          |  pgp key available via finger or upon request\n","1859":"From: reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu (Alireza Vali)\nSubject: Do the 2MB ATI Ultra Pro 16 and 24 bit Windows Drivers Work?\nOrganization: University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 35\n\nHi there.  We just bought a 486 DX2\/66 Gateway system with a 2 meg ATI\nUltra Pro video card.  Everything seems to work fine except for the\nWindows Drivers for 800x600 24 bit, and 800x600 and 1024x768 16 bit\nmodes.  The fonts and icons start deteriorating after windows startup,\nand within minutes of use, everything on the screen is totally\nunintelligible.  Naturally, I called Gateway tech support to inquire\nabout this.  The technician asked me about the drivers, and I told him it\nwas version 1.5, build 59.  He told me that the 16 and 24 bit drivers for\nthe ATI Ultra Pro simply do not work!!!  Is this true?  If so, I'm simply\namazed.  How could this be?  The strange thing is I would have expected\nto see some discussion on here (unless the subject has made the FAQ!!!).\n\nOne very suspicious point that came up later was that he stated that none\nof the Windows Accelerator boards have working 16 and\/or 24 bit drivers\nfor Windows 3.1.  I easily challenged him on that because I've been\nrunning a Diamond 24x in 15 bit mode at home for 4 months now, and I have\ntested and used the 24 bit mode as well.  He then backed off and said:\n\"Well, Diamond has been working on those drivers much longer.\"  Anyway, I\njust wanted to see if anyone else had any trouble and what they did about\nit.  Any feedback will be appreciated.\n\nThe system configuration is:\n\nGateway 486 DX2\/66 Local Bus\n16 Megs Ram\nSCSI HD & CD-ROM\nUltrastor 34F Local Bus SCSI controller\nATI Ultra Pro Local Bus with 2MB VRAM\nDOS 6.0\nWindows 3.1\nMach 32 drivers version 1.5 (build 59)\n\nThanks in advance.\n-- \nAli R. Vali - reza@magellan.ae.utexas.edu\n","1860":"From: df456@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David Tsao)\nSubject: 486DX33, 4mRAM, 64kCACHE, 130mHD ->$1,298\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nVESA local bus motherboard,\n4MB RAM,\n64K cache,\n1.2 & 1.44 Floppy,\n130 MB Hard Drive,\nIDE controller (2HD&2FD)\n2S\/1P\/1G\nLocal Bus 1MB SVGA Video Card,\n14\" SVGA Monitor (.28dpi)\nMini Tower, 101-key Keyboard\n\nDavid Tsao,\ncstsao@sam.cs.olemiss.edu\n601-234-0969\nor\nBenjamin Chen\n714-257-1138\n","1861":"From: Ravi Konchigeri <mongoose@leland.stanford.edu>\nSubject: Video cable options\nX-Xxmessage-Id: <A7F4A7E9FF0200ED@kimball-pc-316.stanford.edu>\nX-Xxdate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 02:14:01 GMT\nOrganization: Stanford University\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17\nLines: 11\n\n\tThere was a discussion a couple of weeks ago about using different\ncables to \nachieve different resolutions on the Quadra and Centris series.  A\ncompany that sold the cables was mentioned.  Can someone please e-mail me\nthe companies name, address, etc, and any other info that may be relevant?\n\n\n\t\"Just like everything else in life, the right lane ends in half a mile.\"\n\nRavi Konchigeri.\nmongoose@leland.stanford.edu\n","1862":"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer)\nSubject: Re: Young Catchers\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 143\n\nIn article <7862@blue.cis.pitt.edu> genetic+@pitt.edu (David M. Tate) writes:\n>mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said:\n>\n>>I meant that one should not let the exception make the rule.  \n>\n>It's not an exception.  Good players come up young; most players who come\n>up young will be good.  This has always been the rule.\n\n\nAre most players who come up young always good when they're young, or\nlater?\n\n>Worse: it's not a \"shift\".  This is the way it has *always* been.  Several\n>detailed studies of this have been done, and they've all shown that players\n>aren't coming up any younger or older than in the past, and they aren't \n>playing any more or less in the minors than they used to.  The only thing\n>that shifts is our memories of the \"good old days\" :-).\n\nDamn.  I was afraid you would say that!\n\n>\n>But all after the fact, which makes it *not* applicable to the current\n>discussion, which is about how you decide whether to play the rookie who\n>hasn't \"established himself\" in the majors over the mediocre veteran.  The\n>Padres played Santiago that year because they clearly had nobody else worth\n>playing.  \n\nWell, perhaps if the Braves had no one else worth playing this year it\nwould be Lopez in there.  But they do have others worth playing, at\nleast in *their* opinion.  And I happen to agree.\n\n>\n>>>>Both of these young men were highly touted defensive catchers,\n>>>>expected to be among the best ever in baseball.  \n>\n>Not by rec.sport.baseball consensus.  That may sound like an incredibly\n>arrogant comment, but I've found that the SDCN consensus (when one exists)\n>is right far more often than the media consensus or the opinions of \"baseball\n>people\" affiliated with MLB.  \n\nI can believe that.  I'm a newbie here, so I'll take your word.  But\nAlomar *is* a fine defensive catcher, which was my statement above.\nThat is a solid reason for bringing him up at a tender age, as long\nas they feel he can also hit a bit.  Lopez does not have such a\nconsensus about his defensive prowess, and imho that is enough to\ngive him that dreaded \"seasoning\".\n\n>\n>>I don't know \"who knows\".  I suppose the same people (or similar) who\n>>\"know\" he will be better than some other catcher.  These are, of \n>>course, just differing opinions.  I read that his arm is not that\n>>strong (I suppose somewhere there is some measurement of SB ratios)\n>>and that he is still learning to call a game.  That latter skill may\n>>be difficult to project on someone without an intimate knowledge of\n>>his performance, but it is a tangible skill.\n>\n>I disagree, in that I don't think it *is* a _tangible_ skill, any more than\n>leadership is.  I don't deny that it is a *real* skill, and that some catchers\n>may be much better than others at it, but I really don't see any way that we\n>could ever know who they are.  Nichols's Law of Catcher Defense is eerily\n>accurate far too often for me to take defensive assessments of catchers very\n>seriously.\n\nSorry.  New.  Don't know Nichols' Law.  Don't believe in catchers'\nera.  But I am interested in pitchers' eras with different catchers.\nAny info on that?\n\n>\n>\n>Absolutely.  The evidence is piling up, year after year.  The only other\n>alternative is that the Braves really don't *know* that their young players\n>are, on average, better than their current starters.  I'm not ruling out that\n>kind of gross incompetence, but I think the salary-schedule explanation is\n>more charitable.\n\nIn other words, we know more than they do, so the only logic behind \na different decision than we would make must be financial.  I presume\nwe feel this way about other franchises than Atlanta, no?\n\n>\n>Consider: we *know* that the Braves are about the strongest team in baseball\n>right now, even with Olson and Lemke and Nixon and Bream in the lineup.  They\n>have as good a chance of repeating as champs this year as any team ever has.\n>It actually makes some sense to say \"rather than making our team marginally\n>better this year by bringing up the young studs and dumping the elderly, let's\n>go ahead and compete this year with what we have, and then bring up the studs\n>only as we *have* to, so that we'll still have them under reserve three years\n>from now and beyond when the current team will be collecting pensions.\"\n>\n>Is it fair to the young players?  No.  Does it make organizational sense? \n>I think it does.\n\nWell if it does make organizational sense, one can hardly fault them\nfor their decisions.  I mean, please don't tell me how to run my\nbusiness.  Especially when I'm being successful.\n\n>\n> C:\tI could make it 107 or 108 wins if you let me bring up Lopez.\n>\n>>S:\tListen, Bobby.  I'd like to.  But the way I see it, if he hits\n>>\tthe big club this year we'll be paying mega-arbitration bucks\n>>\tdown the road in a couple of years and there's no way I want\n>>\tto do that.\n>\n>...and continues with\n>\n>\tWe can win without him, and then _keep_ winning next year with him.\n>\tHow's that?\n\nI'm sure you could be right.  You could also be smoking some illegal\nsubstance.\n\n(Hey.  That's a joke.  Don't get offended.  Please.)\n\n>\n>Hey, I'd love to be wrong about this.  If you think it's unlikely, I'd love\n>to know why.  Don't cite anybody's innate ethical rectitude, though, unless\n>you know them personally.\n>\n>\nWell, I can't cite anyone's ethical rectitude because I don't know\nwhat it means.  :)\n\nBut again, if it makes organizational sense, then so be it.  Baseball\nis a business, and if there is a solid business reason for keeping\nLopez on the farm then that's what the Braves *should* do.\n\nI happen to believe that it's a baseball decision.  While you from\nyour armchair may disagee, I don't.  I think there is a lot of\nevidence to suggest the decision they made.  I predicted it among\nlarge guffaws from several at the start of spring training.  I\nthink it is a very *normal* decision to have made.  It is certainly\nmore reversible than to have started Lopez in the bigs and have\nreleased one of their catchers.  Sure, it may be conservative.  It\nmay also be logical.  I don't know what ethics have to do with it.\nSeems like pretty good common sense to me.\n\n--\tThe Beastmaster\n\n\n-- \nMark Singer    \nmss@netcom.com\n","1863":"From: kuehnel@rvs.uni-hannover.de (Stefan Kuehnel, SWL)\nSubject: Re: NT Questions\nReply-To: kuehnel@rvs.uni-hannover.de\nOrganization: RVS, Universitaet Hannover, Germany\nLines: 38\n\nIn article 5802@news.yale.edu, adriene_nazaretian@qm.yale.edu (Adriene Nazaretian) writes:\n> In article <1993Mar26.020427.29119@samba.oit.unc.edu>, tclark@med.unc.edu (Thomas B. Clark) says\n\n[...]\n\n> >2.  Is the driver support as seamless as program support?\n> >e.g., Will my Soundblaster, scanner, CD-Rom, tape backup\n> >continue to work even if there are no specific NT drivers?\n> >\n> There is a hardware compatibility guide to answer these questions.\n> There are many drivers for CD Rom and there are MIDI and other\n   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n> sound drivers installed, I dont do a lot with sound digitizing on this\n> platform, but recall seeing items for their configuration in the Control\n> Panel Applet.  There is built in support for tape backup systems as well.\n\n[...]\n\nMy Problem: I wasn't aware of the fact that I would need an *SCSI*-CD-ROM for\nWindows NT when ordering the Beta-SDK-Package. So my question: Is there any driver\navailable that will allow me to use my Mitsumi (Non-SCSI) CD-ROM for installation ?\nIf there is one, from which place (ftp-site) can I get it ?\n\nMany thanks in advance\n\n\tStefan Kuehnel\n---\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n   \/\\  Stefan K\"uhnel\n  |   \n  |\/   kuehnel@rvs.uni-hannover.de   \n  |\\   kuehnel@swl.uni-hannover.de (neu ab. 17.04.1993)\n  |  \n\\\/     Die oben wiedergegebene Meinung ist meine private und nicht die         \n       des RRZN, des LG RVS der UH oder einer anderen Institution.             \n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","1864":"From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)\nSubject: Insurance discount\nSummary: Two or more vehicles... discount?\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 26\n\nHola amigos,\n\nQuiero... I need an answer to a pressing question.  I now own two\nbikes and would love to keep them both.  One is a capable and\nsmooth street bike, low and lightweight with wide power and great\nbrakes; the other is a Beemer G\/S, kind of rough for the city but\ngreat on the long road and backroad.  A good start at a stable, but\nI don't think it's going to work.  Unfortunately, insurance is going\nto pluck me by the short hairs.  \n\nUnless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount.  They\ndo this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of \ndriving one of the things at a time.  I don't think I'll ever manage\nto straddle both bikes and ride them tandem down the street. (Turn left...\naccelerate the Zephyr; turn right... accelerate the Beemer.)  Does\nanybody know of an agency that makes use of this simple fact to\ndiscount your rates?  State Farm doesn't.\n\nBy the way, I'm moving to the Bay area so I'll be insuring the bikes\nthere, and registering them.  To ease me of the shock, can somebody\nguesstimate the cost of insuring a ZR550 and a R800GS?  Here in Tucson\nthey only cost me $320 (full) and $200 (liability only) for the two,\nper annum.\n\nMuchas gracias,\n\t\t\tEnrique\n","1865":"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)\nSubject: Re: the usual\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nDistribution: na\nLines: 45\n\narc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes:\n\n>I was under the impression that to obtain fissionable materials (i.e.,\n>plutonium or reactor\/weapons-grade uranium) one was required to obtain\n>a federal permit to own such materials.\n\n\tNo, you merely have to start working on yellowcake or else\ndevise a system to get it from other sources.  BTW: the DOE handles\nreactor fuel, and merely leases it to reactors.  The NRC certifies these\nreactors.  The military have their own sources.  A private citizen has\nnone of these official sources.\n\n>Actually, why bother looking it up?  From the material we covered last\n>term (in 10 weeks) of Ge\/Ch 127 (Nuclear Chemistry), I could *derive*\n>what it would take to build a bomb.\n\n\tThat's freshman-level chemistry.  Big deal.  Can you make it\nwork?  That's PhD-level physics.  Big difference.\n\n>  And as far as the explosive charge,\n>I (as a chemist) could synthesize a variety of explosives from commonly\n>available chemicals in the garage if I felt like.  The electronics \n>behind the detonator and the shaped charges are a little trickier,\n>however . . . but not impossible using a few \"tricks of the trade.\"\n>And if I really wanted to be nasty, I could include a core of \n>hydrogen and deuterium . . .\n\n\tSo you admit that there's no law that could stop you?  Physics\naside, could you make one if you had the funds and time?  The answer\nis yes.  So, do we lock you up now because of this?  Surely you can\nsee where the comparison with anti-gun laws comes into play here?\n\n>Of course, the hardest part is getting the fissionable material\n>to start with, and living long enough to put a bomb together. \n>(Plutonium has some *nasty* properties . . .)\n\n\tPrecisely why it's not as readily utilized as you seem to have\nbeen lead to believe.  BTW: 98% U235 is far better for home-made bombs\nthan trying to use plutonium.  The laws of physics make the creation of\na device without serious manufacturing facilities very low in probability.\n\n< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >\n<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >\n<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >\n<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >\n","1866":"From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>\nSubject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis\nNf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500352:000:3446\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr    Apr 22 17:29:00 1993\nLines: 71\n\n\nFrom: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\nSubject: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis\n\n\nTo:  shaig@Think.COM\n\nSubject: Ten questions to Israelis\n\nDear Shai,\n\nYour answers to my questions are unsatisfactory.\n\nIn the answer to my first question, concerning the nonexistence of\nIsraeli nationality, your answer conflicts with information I have\nreceived from other quarters, according to which there are two\ndistinct categories of classifying Israelis:  Citizenship\n(Ezrahut) and Nationality (Le'um). The former is used on passports\netc, and the later for daily identification in Israeli society. I\nam told that people in Israel have to carry their ID cards at all\ntimes and present them at many public places, almost every day.\nThese ID cards make clear who the holder is, a Jew or an Arab.\nYou maintain that this mainly because of religious services\nprovided. But do you really believe that this is the reason ?\nCould you provide evidence that this is the case and that it\nserves no other purpose ?\n\nIn the answer to my second questions, concerning the fact that\nIsrael has no fixed borders, you state that Israel's borders were\n'shaped and reshaped by both war and peace'. According to what I\nread, the first Zionists in the beginning of the Century, had\nplans for the Jewish State to extend into what is Lebanon and into\nTransjordan (Jordan). I also read that it was the express wish of\nBen-Gurion to not declare Israel's borders, when Israel was\nestablished, as this might restrict Israel's opportunities for\nlater expansion. Israel often claims it right of existence on the\nfact that Jews lived there 2000 years ago or that God promised the\nland to them. But according to biblical sources, the area God\npromised would extend all the way to Iraq. And what were the\nborders in biblical times which Israel considers proper to use\ntoday ?  Finally, if Israel wants peace, why can't it declare what\nit considers its legitimate and secure borders, which might be a\nbase for negotiations? Having all the above facts in mind, one\ncannot blame Arab countries to fear Israeli expansionism, as a\nnumber of wars have proved (1948, 1956, 1967, 1982).\n\nYour answer to my third question is typical of a Stalinist public\nofficial. I don't think your answer is honest.  You refer me to\nVanunu's revelations about Israel's nuclear arsenal without\nevaluating the truthfullness of his revelations. Now if he said\nthe truth, then why should he been punished, and if he lied, why\nshould he be punished? I would appreciate more honesty.\n\nSomebody provided an answer to the fourth question, concerning\n'hidden prisoners' in Israeli prisons. He posted an article from\nMa'ariv documenting such cases.  It seems that such prisoners do\nexist in Israel. What do you think about that ?\n\nYou imply that my questions show bias and are formulated in such a\nway to 'cast aspersions upon Israel'. Such terms have often been\nused by the Soviet Union against dissidents: They call the Soviet\nUnion into disrepute. If my questions are not disturbing, they\nwould not call forth such hysterical answers. My questions are\nclearly provocative but they are meant to seek facts. I would be\nvery happy if you could convince me that what I am told about\nIsrael were just fabrications, but alas you have failed to do so.\nI suspect that you fear the truth and an open and honest\ndiscussion. This is a sign of weakness, not of strength.\n\nI hope you will muster the courage to seek the full truth.\n\n","1867":"From: mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign\nLines: 66\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu\n\ncarl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU (Carl J Lydick) writes:\n\n>Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical.  Could be your brother is\n>reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock\n>in other people.\n\n>Similarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG.  There are a lot of other\n>ingredients in it.  Why, when someone eats something with lots of\n>ingredients they don't normally consume, one of which happens to be\n>MSG, do they immediately conclude that any negative reaction is to\n>the MSG? \n\nARGHHHHHHHHHh\n\nREAD THE MEMOS!!!!\n\nI said that I PERSONALLY had other people order the EXACT SAME FOOD at\nTWO DIFFERENT TIMES from the SAME RESTAURANT and the people that\nordered the food for me did NOT TELL ME which time the MSG was in the\nfood and which time it was not in the food.\n\nONE TIME I HAD A REACTION\n\nONE TIME I DID NOT\n\nTHE REACTION CAME THE TIME THE MSG WAS IN THE FOOD\n\nTHAT WAS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE\n\nSAME RESTAURANT - SAME INGREDIENTS!!!\n\n>Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't\n>normally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately\n>conclude that any negative reaction is to the MSG? \n\nI eat lots of Chinese food - I LOVE Chinese food.  I've just learned\nthe following\n\nIF I get food at one of the restaurants that DOES NOT USE MSG or\n\nIF I prepare the food myself without MSG or \n\nIF I order the food from a restaurant that will hold the MSG (and I\nnever get soup unless it's from a restaurant that cooks without the\nMSG)\n\nI DO NOT GET A REACTION!!!!\n\nOKAY\n\nDO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!\n\nI GET A REACTION FROM MSG\n\nI DO NOT GET A REACTION WHEN THERE IS NO MSG\n\nIf you're having trouble understand this, please tell me which of the\nwords you do not understand and I'll look them up in the dictionary\nfor you.\n\n--\nThe great secret of successful marriage is to treat all disasters\nas incidents and none of the incidents as disasters.    \n  -- Harold Nicholson\n\n    Mary Allison (mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu) Urbana, Illinois\n","1868":"From: tvartiai@vipunen.hut.fi (Tommi Vartiainen)\nSubject: Re: Finland\/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki\/Stockholm & NHL expansion)\nNntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 51\n\nIn <1993Apr16.195754.5476@ousrvr.oulu.fi> mep@phoenix.oulu.fi (Marko Poutiainen) writes:\n\n>: FINLAND:  \n>: \n>: D-Jyrki Lumme.......20\n>: D-Teppo Numminen....20\n>: D-Peter Ahola.......13\n>: \n>Well well, they don't like our defenders (mainly Lumme and Numminen)...\n\nAbout 25 is correct for Numminen and Lumme.\n\n\n>: R-Teemu Selanne.....27\n>: \n>Compared to Kurri, Selanne's points are too high, lets make it 25 or 26.\n\nNo, Kurri's points are too low. 27 for Kurri and 28 for Sel{nne.\n\n>: well in the Canada Cup and World Championships largely due to the efforts of\n>: Markus Ketterer (the goalie), 3-4 or the players listed above and luck. There's\n>: presumably a lot of decent players in Finland that wouldn't be superstars at\n>: the highest level but still valuable role players, however. My guess would be\n>: that the Finnish Canada Cup team would be a .500 team in the NHL.\n\n>Wow, now, it looks like you don't like our players? What about guys like:\n>Nieminen, Jutila, Riihijarvi, Varvio, Laukkanen, Makela, Keskinen and (even\n>if he is aging) Ruotsalainen? The main difference between finnish and North-\n>American players is, that our players tend to be better in the larger rink.\n>The Canadian defenders are usually slower that defenders in Europe. \n>And I think that there was more in our success than Ketterer and luck (though\n>they helped). I think that the main reason was, that the team worked well\n>together.\n\n\nThat's true. Game is so different here in Europe compared to NHL. North-ame-\nricans are better in small rinks and europeans in large rinks. An average\neuropean player from Sweden, Finland, Russian or Tsech\/Slovakia is a better \nskater and  puckhandler than his NHL colleague. Especially defenders in NHL\nare mainly slow and clumsy. Sel{nne has also said that in the Finnish Sm-league\ngame is more based on skill than in NHL. In Finland he couldn't get so many \nbreakaways because defenders here are an average much better skaters than in\nNHL. Also Alpo Suhonen said that in NHL Sel{nne's speed accentuates because\nof clumsy defensemen.\n\nI have to admit that the best players come from Canada, but those regulars\naren't as skilful as regulars in the best european leagues. Also top europeans\nare in the same level as the best north-americans.(except Lemieux is in the\nclass of his own). \n\nTommi\n","1869":"From: wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell)\nSubject: Diamond Stelth 24- any good?\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 4\n\n\nI am in the market for a 24-bit graphics card for a PC (ISA bus), and\nwas wondering if anyone had any comments (good? bad? otherwise?) regarding\nthe Diamond Stealth 24?  \n","1870":"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)\nSubject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats\/results)\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.124012.3383@mtroyal.ab.ca> caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca writes:\n>>All these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at\n>>NJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and\n>>excellent forwards and defensemen.  Shooter in Richer, an all around do\n>>it all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play\n\n\n>Kevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow\n>the Devils, anyway? Jeez....\n\n\tSigh.\n\tThis was written about the game NHLPA Hockey '93. Which does not\nhave precise up-to-date rosters. Why don't people think before they post?\nJeez...\n\n\n-- \nGO SKINS!    ||\"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite\nGO BRAVES!   ||   an effect on you?\" - Mike Patton, Faith No More \nGO HORNETS!  ||\nGO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu\n","1871":"From: James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: First Bike??\nOrganization: Freshman, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\n\n Anyone, \n\n    I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to\nput it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would\nbe a good starter bike for me.  I do know one thing however, I need to\nmake my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is\nout of the question.  I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR\n600 F2, GSX-R 750).  I know that this may sound kind of crazy\nconsidering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a\nfast learner, and in love.  Please give me any advice that you think\nwould help me in my search, including places to look or even specific\nbikes that you want to sell me.\n\n    Thanks  :-)\n\n    Jamie Belliveau (jbc9@andrew.cmu.edu)  \n\n","1872":"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: TRUE \"GLOBE\", Who makes it?\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <bill.047m@xpresso.UUCP> bill@xpresso.UUCP (Bill Vance) writes:\n>It has been known for quite a while that the earth is actually more pear\n>shaped than globular\/spherical.  Does anyone make a \"globe\" that is accurate\n>as to actual shape, landmass configuration\/Long\/Lat lines etc.?\n\nI don't think you're going to be able to see the differences from a sphere\nunless they are greatly exaggerated.  Even the equatorial bulge is only\nabout 1 part in 300 -- you'd never notice a 1mm error in a 30cm globe --\nand the other deviations from spherical shape are much smaller.\n-- \nSVR4 resembles a high-speed collision   | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\nbetween SVR3 and SunOS.    - Dick Dunn  |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n","1873":"From: hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess)\nSubject: XWindows always opaque\nSummary: is there a way for a parent window to overpaint its childs?\nKeywords: xwindow, parent-child relation\nOrganization: University of Hamburg, Germany\nDistribution: comp\nLines: 9\n\nHi,\n\nI wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of\nits childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a \nrubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are\ndisplayed one in each window?\n\nHauke\n\n","1874":"From: jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu (Joel Siegel)\nSubject: Re: HELP: Need modem info for Duo 210\nArticle-I.D.: agate.1qo9c6$8oj\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu\n\njmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT) writes:\n\n>Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if\n>they want to go at least 9600 baud)?\n\n>Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason\n>I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from\n>wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get\n>a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud.\n\nYou're not going to like this, but if memory serves me, postings\nI've read in this newsgroup and elsewhere indicate that there are\nno, repeat no, internal modems for the Duo besides the Express\nModem... at _any_ speed.  Something having to do with the modem\nusing the main CPU for some of its tasks, and Apple not releasing\ndetails on the architecture, or something.  I'm vague on the\ndetails, but the gist was that there are going to be no\nthird-party internal Duo modems.  If I'm wrong, somebody please\ncorrect me on this.  Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.\n\nJoel\n\n-- \nJoel Siegel <jdsiegel@garnet.berkeley.edu    jdsiegel@ocf.berkeley.edu>\n\"I myself have never been able to find out what feminism is:  I\nonly know that I am called a feminist whenever I express\nsentiments that differentiate me from a doormat.\" -Rebecca West, 1913\n","1875":"From: assist@orion.oac.uci.edu (ASSIST Coordination Site)\nSubject: Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...\nKeywords: NHL, awards\nArticle-I.D.: news.2BC0C6DF.18865\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\n\nIn article <C4zCII.Ftn@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> smale@healthy.uwaterloo.ca (Bryan Smale) writes:\n>                         MVP           Biggest       Biggest\n>                                       Suprise       Disappointment\n\n>Los Angeles Kings       Robitaille     Donnelly      Hrudey\n\n\nI would have chosen Alex Zhitnik for biggest suprise.  They\ndid expect that he would become a great defenseman, but I don't\nthink anyone knew that he was going to be this impressive in his \nrookie year.  His speed, skating ability, and puck control is\nexceptional -- he is the one to watch on the Kings.\n\n\nKris\nkris@fs2.assist.uci.edu\n\nGO KINGS!\n\n--\n","1876":"From: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov (James Felder)\nSubject: Re: \"So help you God\" in court?\nOrganization: NASA Lewis Resaerch Center\nLines: 35\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hopper3.lerc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article 013423TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu, Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n->In article <1993Apr9.151914.1885@daffy.cs.wisc.edu>, mccullou@snake2.cs.wisc.edu\n->(Mark McCullough) says:\n->>\n->>In article <monack.733980580@helium> monack@helium.gas.uug.arizona.edu (david\n->>n->>monack) writes:\n->>>Another issue is that by having to request to not be required to\n->>>recite the \"so help me God\" part of the oath, a theistic jury may be\n->>>prejudiced against your testimony even though atheism is probably not\n->>>at all relevant to the case.\n->>>\n->>>What is the recommended procedure for requesting an alternate oath or\n->>>affirmation?\n->>>\n->>>Dave\n\nSorry for using a follow-up to respond, but my server dropped about a weeks worth of news\nwhen it couldn't keep up.\n\nWhen the you are asked to swear \"So help you god\" and you have to say it, ask which one; Jesus,\nAllah, Vishnu, Zues, Odin.  Get them to be specific.   Don't be obnoxious, just humbly ask, then \nquitely sit back and watch the fun.\n\n---\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJames L. Felder\t\t\t|\nSverdrup Technology,Inc.\t|     phone: 216-891-4019\nNASA Lewis Research Center     \t|    \nCleveland, Ohio  44135         \t|     email: jfelder@lerc.nasa.gov \n\"Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, other people gargle\"\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\n","1877":"From: alin@nyx.cs.du.edu (ailin lin)\nSubject: VGA card\/1 meg wanted\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math\/CS dept.\nLines: 7\n\nit must have 1 meg memory and support res. 1024x768 (even higher will be better)if it has 9 & 15 pin ports and also supports ega\/cga , that's better.\nI will pay $30 + $1 (shipping) for it.\n\nlet me knoe if u have one like this.\n\nailin\n803-654-8817\n","1878":"From: baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca (baden de bari)\nSubject: _Exhausted student needing HELP!\nOrganization: System 6626 BBS, Winnipeg Manitoba Canada\nLines: 40\n\n \n      Well, I've now been working on this DAMNED stepper controller board\n since 9pm.  It's now 6am... I'm pissed off.  Period.  Alright, I can\n drive the steppers through the 3479P's; no problem (that's with the\n 6-wire steppers, 2 to +, and the other 4 are the phase lines).  Problem\n 1:  I've got some 4 wire steppers.  I put the darkest line to + and the\n other 3 to the 3479P... worked, kinda.  Tried it with a printer stepper\n (moves the head back and forth, 4 wires), didn't work too well.  It \nwould\n shift back and forth (use something like a 4017 instead?)  Also I've \nbeen\n trying to get a bunch of NPN's to work with it... NO LUCK... tried \nPNP's,\n still NO LUCK!!!  I don't know if I'm cursed on this or what, but I feel\n my brain slowly frying with the thought of STEPPER ... ARGGG!!!\n         I don't know what's wrong with the transistor hook-up (to-220 \npkg\n type), also tryed the 2n2222-pkg type... no luck.\n\n                         I'm going to try getting some z's, and I hope \nyou\n can help me with this problem.\n   If someone can please help me with this soon, it would be greatly\n   appreciated...\n\n                 Thanks.\n\n\n\n\n \n  _________________________________________________\n  Inspiration  |   ___                             |\n  comes to     |  \\   o  baden@sys6626.bison.mb.ca |\n  those who    | (  ^  ) baden@inqmind.bison.mb.ca |\n  seek the     |   \/-\\      =] Baden de Bari [=    |\n  unknown.     |                                   |\n  ------------------------------------------------- \n \nl\n","1879":"From: rboudrie@chpc.org (Rob Boudrie)\nSubject: Re: How to detect use of an illegal cipher?\nOrganization: Center For High Perf. Computing of WPI; Marlboro Ma\nLines: 25\n\n>As for my impressions of the whole scheme It seems that instead of trying to\n>ban strong crypto, they are trying to co-opt it. Their contention that they \n>need to keep the algorythm secret to protect the security of the key\n>registration suggests possible inherent weakness to the algorythm. More likely\n>is that they dont want anyone constructing black market devices which dont \n>have the keys registered. Anyone else notice that in their Q&A session, they\n\nPreventing black market chips w\/non-escrowed keys IS exactly what they\nmean by protecting the security of the key escrow system.  There are\ntwo parts to the security of such a system:\n  \n    (a) Preventing decruption by unauthorized personel\n    (b) Assuring that the gummit can always decrypt clipper\n        traffic when it authorizes itself to do so.\n\nOf course, the ministry of propoganda will do a lot of tallking about\n(a) and very little about (b).\n\n                                        rob boudrie\n                                        rboudrie@chpc.org\n\nps: Anyone care to guess what encryption scheme the gov't is using on\n    its newly formed database of anarch-cryptists who oppose this entire\n    lunacy?\n\n","1880":"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)\nSubject: Re: Wings will win\nOrganization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department\nLines: 42\n\nIn article <ragraca.735309624@vela.acs.oakland.edu> ragraca@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Randy A. Graca) writes:\n>golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n>\n>>Bryan Murray has done very little as GM...Yzerman, Fedorov, Cheveldae,\n>>Chaisson, the whole Russian strategy was a product of the previous\n>>GM...Murray has made a couple of decent trades...that's about it...\n>>that would hardly rank him as the best GM.\n>\n>There are many teams in the NHL who have taken a liking to Russian players.\n>The \"whole Russian strategy\" is not specific to Detroit or to Devellano,\n>who was GM before Murray.  What the previous GM also did was to trade \n>away several players who have gone on to do well with other teams, most\n>notably (in my memory) Murray Craven, who had a few very good years with\n>Philly after leaving here.  Also, it's not the volume of trades that will \n>necessarily improve a team, but the quality of them.  Trading Adam Oates\n>for Bernie Federko was just plain stupid, even if Federko used to be a \n>great player at one time.  Most of Murray's trades have worked significantly\n>to the Wings' advantage, with those that didn't being soured mainly by \n>injury to the players involved (such as Troy Crowder, who suffered back\n>problems from which he never really recovered).\n>\n\nDevallano went earlier and more extensively to the Russian strategy\nthan anyone else...and was the first GM to \"waste\" high draft choices\non young Russians...Devallano would still be GM but he succombed to\nDemers pleading to make the Oates-Federko et al trade...which is the\ndeal that sealed his fate.\n\nMurray has made some decent trades...no doubt...but these are more\ndue to the stupidity or cheapness of other teams than brilliance on\nhis part...Washington was too cheap to pay Ciccarelli so they\nessentially gave him away...and Carson was really a big anchor to\nthe team, and he was able to sucker a rookie GM to give him Paul\nCoffey for deadweight.\n\nIf Detroit still fails this year because he was one defenseman short...\nthen he will have wasted an opportunity because Manson was available,\nand he was unable to pull the trigger.  It is his judgement that he\nhas enough with what he's got...Yzerman doesn't have that many more\nyears in his prime.\n\nGerald\n","1881":"From: mikey@sgi.com (Mike Yang)\nSubject: Re: 17\" Monitors\nNntp-Posting-Host: eukanuba.wpd.sgi.com\nOrganization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1qslfs$bm1@access.digex.net> rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash) writes:\n>I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just\n>been released.\n\nWhat's the difference between the F550i and the new F550iW?  I'm\nabout to buy a Gateway system and was going to take the F550i\nupgrade.  Should I get the F550iW instead?\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------\n                 Mike Yang        Silicon Graphics, Inc.\n               mikey@sgi.com           415\/390-1786\n\n","1882":"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 57\n\nIn article <Apr15.175334.72079@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> bh437292@lance.colostate.edu writes:\n\n[most of Brads post deleted.]\n\n>we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance\n>on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING \n>ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real \n>leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw.\n\n\tTell me, do these young men also attack Syrian troops?\n\n\n>with the blood of its soldiers.  If Israel is interested in peace,\n>than it should withdraw from OUR land.\n\n\tThere must be a guarantee of peace before this happens.  It\nseems that many of these Lebanese youth are unable to restrain\nthemselves from violence, and unable to to realize that their actions\nprolong Israels stay in South Lebanon.\n\n\tIf the Lebanese army was able to maintain the peace, then\nIsrael would not have to be there.  Until it is, Israel prefers that\nits soldiers die rather than its children.\n\n\n>If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw \n>unilaterally from the so-called \"Security Zone\" before the conclusion\n>of the peace talks.  Such a move would save Israeli lives,\n>advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's \n>public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations \n>since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in \n>peace and has already offered some important concessions.\n\n\tIsrael should withdraw from Lebanon when a peace treaty is\nsigned.  Not a day before.  Withdraw because of casualties would tell\nthe Lebanese people that all they need to do to push Israel around is\nkill a few soldiers.  Its not gonna happen.\n\n>Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah\n>be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not \n>accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a\n>shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone\n>and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it.\n\n\n\tWhy should Israel not demand this while holding the buffer\nzone?  It seems to me that the better bargaining position is while\nholding your neighbors land.  If Lebanon were willing to agree to\nthose conditions, Israel would quite probably have left already.\nUnfortunately, it doesn't seem that the Lebanese can disarm the\nHizbolah, and maintain the peace.\n\nAdam\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t       adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n\"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn't waste them on members of Congress...\"   -John Perry Barlow\n","1883":" wupost!uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgi!fido!solntze.wpd.sgi.com!livesey\nSubject: Re: >>>>>>Pompous ass\nFrom: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\n <93089.050046MVS104@psuvm.psu.edu> <1pa6ntINNs5d@gap.caltech.edu> \n <1993Mar30.210423.1302@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1pcnqjINNpon@gap.caltech.edu> <kmr4.1344.733611641@po.CWRU.edu> <1pi9btINNqa5@gap.calte\nOrganization: sgi\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1pi9btINNqa5@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n|> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n|> \n|> >>Then why do people keep asking the same questions over and over?\n|> >Because you rarely ever answer them.\n|> \n|> Nope, I've answered each question posed, and most were answered multiple\n|> times.\n\n\tHe:   Fifty dollars if I can't answer your question.\n\n\tShe:  What is the Big Bang theory.\n\n\tHe:   The Big Bang theory is a recipe for cookies.\n\n\tShe:  Fifty dollars, please.\n\n\tHe:   Hey, I didn't say the answers would make sense.\n\njon.\n","1884":"From: spp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: U.C. Berkeley -- ERL\nLines: 16\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: zion.berkeley.edu\n\n| article <1qjc0fINN841@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:\n|| Now, if instead of using the MSG as a food additive, you put the MSG \n|| in gelatin capsules or whatever, there may not\n|| be a reaction, becasue the _sensory_response_ might be\n|| a necessary element in the creation of the MSG reaction.  (I'll bet \n|| the bogus medical researchers never even thought about \n|| that obvious fact.)\n\n| Gee.  He means \"placebo effect.\"  Sorry, but the researchers DO know about\n| this.\n\nCarl, it is not \"placebo effect\" if as hypothesised the \nsensory response to MSG's effect on flavor is responsible\nfor the MSG reaction.\n\nSteve\n","1885":"From: young@serum.kodak.com (Rich Young)\nSubject: Re: what are the problems with nutrasweet (aspartame)\nOriginator: young@sasquatch\nNntp-Posting-Host: sasquatch\nReply-To: young@serum.kodak.com\nOrganization: Clinical Diagnostics Division, Eastman Kodak Company\nLines: 76\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.181013.3743@uvm.edu> hbloom@moose.uvm.edu (*Heather*) writes:\n>Nutrasweet is a synthetic sweetener a couple thousand times sweeter than\n>sugar.  Some people are concerned about the chemicals that the  body produces \n>when it degrades nutrasweet.  It is thought to form formaldehyde and known to\n>for methanol in the degredation pathway that the body uses to eliminate \n>substances.  The real issue is whether the levels of methanol and formaldehyde\n>produced are high enough to cause significant damage, as both are toxic to\n>living cells.  All I can say is that I will not consume it.  \n\n[...]\n\n   In the September 1992 issue of THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY DIET AND NUTRITION\n   LETTER, there is a three page article about artificial sweeteners.  What\n   follows are those excerpts which deal specifically with Nutrasweet.\n\n   [Reproduced without permission]\n\n\t   The controversy [over aspartame] began six years ago in England,\n\twhere a group of researchers found that aspartame, marketed under\n\tthe tradename Nutrasweet, appears to stimulate appetite and,\n\tpresumably, the eating of more calories in the long run than if\n\ta person simply consumed sugar.  When researchers asked a group\n\tof 95 people to drink plain water, aspartame-sweetened water, and\n\tsugared water, they said that overall they felt hungriest after\n\tdrinking the artificially sweetened beverage.\n\t   The study received widespread media attention and stirred a\n\tgood deal of concern among the artificial-sweetener-using public.\n\tHowever, its results were questionable at best, since the researchers\n\tdid not go on to measure whether the increase in appetite did\n\tactually translate into an increase in eating.  The two do not\n\tnecessarily go hand in hand.\n\t   In the years that followed, more than a dozen studies examining\n\tthe effect of aspartame on appetite -- and eating -- were conducted.\n\tAnd after reviewing every one of them, the director of the\n\tLaboratory of the Study of Human Ingestive Behavior at Johns Hopkins\n\tUniversity, Barbara Rolls, Ph.D., concluded that consuming aspartame-\n\tsweetened foods and drinks is not associated with any increase in\n\tthe amount of food eaten afterward.\n\n\t   One artificial sweetener that is not typically accused of causing\n\tcancer is aspartame.  But it most certainly has been blamed for a\n\thost of other ills.  Since its introduction in 1981, the government\n\thas received thousands of complaints accusing it of causing\n\teverything from headaches to nausea to mood swings to anxiety.\n\tStill, years of careful scientific study conducted both before and\n\tafter the sweetener's entering the market have failed to confirm\n\tthat it can bring about adverse health effects.  That's why the\n\tCenters for Disease Control (the government agency charged with\n\tmonitoring public health), the American Medical Association's\n\tCouncil on Scientific Affairs, and the Food and Drug Administration\n\thave given aspartame, one of the most studied food additives, a\n\tclean bill of health.\n\t   Granted, the FDA has set forth an \"acceptable daily intake\" of\n\t50 milligrams of aspartame per kilogram of body weight.  To exceed\n\tthe limit, however, a 120-pound (55 kg.) woman would have to take\n\tin 2,750 milligrams of aspartame -- the amount in 15 cans of\n\taspartame-sweetened soda pop, 14 cups of gelatin, 22 cups of yogurt,\n\tor 55 six-ounce servings of aspartame-containing hot cocoa,...\n\tA 175-pound (80 kg.) man would have to consume some 4,000 milligrams\n\tof the sweetener -- the amount in 22 cans of soda pop or 32 cups\n\tof yogurt -- to go over the limit.  [chart with aspartame content\n\tof selected foods omitted]\n\t   Only one small group of people must be certain to stay away\n\tfrom aspartame: those born with a rare metabolic disorder called\n\tphenylketonuria, or PKU.  The estimated one person in every 12,000\n\tto 15,000 who has it is unable to properly metabolize an essential\n\tamino acid in aspartame called phenylalanine.  Once a child\n\tconsumes it, it builds up in the body and can ultimately cause\n\tsuch severe problems as mental retardation.  To help people with\n\tPKU avoid the substance, labels on cans of soda pop and other\n\taspartame-sweetened foods must carry the warning \"Phenylketonurics:\n\tContains Phenylalanine.\"\n\n\n-Rich Young (These are not Kodak's opinions.)\n\n","1886":"From: rcomg@melomys.co.rmit.oz.AU (Mark Gregory)\nSubject: AVI file format?\nSummary: AVI file format?\nKeywords: AVI file format?\nOrganization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: melomys.cse.rmit.edu.au\n\n\nHi,\n\twould someone please email (and post)\nthe AVI (Microsoft) file format.  I wish to\ndo some research using this format, as there\nare disks available with video clips.  It is\ninteresting because it interleaves sound and\nvideo.\n\nThank you\n\n\nMark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060\nRoyal Melbourne Institute of Technology,\nDepartment of Communication and Electronic Engineering,\nP.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA.\n--\nMark Gregory Lecturer m.gregory@rmit.edu.au PH(03)6603243 FAX(03)6621060\nRoyal Melbourne Institute of Technology,\nDepartment of Communication and Electronic Engineering,\nP.O. Box 2476V, Melbourne, Victoria, 3001. AUSTRALIA.\n","1887":"From: hinds@cmgm.stanford.edu (Alexander Hinds)\nSubject: Sega Genesis + games for sale\nKeywords: sega, genesis, games\nOrganization: Stanford University, California, USA\nLines: 11\n\nI have a Sega Genesis (barely used) that IUd like to sell with the following games:\n\nSonic the Hedgehog (I)\nRevenge of Shinobi\nThunderforce III\n\nI'm asking $160 OBO.  I can best be reached via email, or alternatively, \nby phone at: (415) 497-3719.\n\nAlexander Hinds\n\n","1888":"From: ide!twelker@uunet.uu.net (Steve Twelker)\nSubject: Esotericism\nOrganization: Interactive Development Environmenmts, SF\nLines: 11\n\nI'm compiling a bibliography on religious perspectives on esotericism,\nhermeticism, gnosticism, mysticism, occultism, alchemy and magic, and\nam interested in sources that others have found particularly interesting\nand insightful.  I'm especially interested in medieval works, such as\n_The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz_ and Arthurian legends.\n\nPlease feel free, too, to send personal opinions on any of the above,\npro or con or anywhere in between.  Thanks much.\n\nStephen Twelker\ntwelker@ide.com\n","1889":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: \"Cruel\" (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 18\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>>They spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution. \n>I realise that this is widely held belief in America, but in fact\n>the clause on cruel and unusual punishments, like a lot of the\n>rest, was lifted from the English Bill of Rights of 1689.\n\nJust because the wording is elsewhere does not mean they didn't spend\nmuch time on the wording.\n\n>>We have already looked in the dictionary to define the word.  Isn't \n>>this sufficient?\n>Since the dictionary said that a lack of mercy or an intent to\n>inflict injury or grief counted as \"cruel\", sure.\n\nPeople can be described as cruel in this way, but punishments cannot.\n\nkeith\n","1890":"Organization: City University of New York\nFrom: <F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>\nSubject: Re : BillaryKlintonKligue Illegal War\nLines: 5\n\n      The operation going on in Somalia is a peacekeeping\/peaceenforcement\n      operation where force may be used.  It is not a war.  It is also legal\n      under international law, which is higher than US law.  The operation\n      is occuring under the ageis of the United Nations.  Can't get a higher\n      authority than that on this earth.\n","1891":"Subject: Re: Christian Daemons? [Biblical Demons, the u\nFrom: stigaard@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu\nReply-To: stigaard@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu\nOrganization: Moorhead State University, Moorhead, MN\nNntp-Posting-Host: 134.29.97.2\nLines: 23\n\n>>>667\n>>>the neighbor of the beast\n>>\n>>No, 667 is across the street from the beast.  664 and 668 are the\n>>neighbors of the beast.\n>\n>I think some people are still not clear on this:\n>667 is *not* the neighbor of the beast, but, rather, across the\n>street. It is, in fact, 668 which is the neighbor of the beast.\n\nno, sheesh, didn't you know 666 is the beast's apartment?  667 is across the\nhall from the beast, and is his neighbor along with the rest of the 6th floor.\n\n>Justin (still trying to figure out what this has to do with alt.discordia)\n\nThis doesn't seem discordant to you?\n\n-----------------------     ----------------------     -----------------------\n\t-Paul W. Stigaard, Lokean Discordian Libertarian\n  !XOA!\t\tinternet:  stigaard@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu\n (fnord)       Episkopos and Chair, Moorhead State University Campus Discordians\n\t\tRectal neufotomist at large\n     \"If I left a quote here, someone would think it meant something.\"\n","1892":"From: wild@access.digex.com (wildstrom)\nSubject: Re: Procomm Plus for windows problems....\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nkentiler@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Kent P. Iler) writes:\n\n>Hi,\n>  I have normal procomm plus for dos, but I've been considering buying\n>the windows version....it got really great reviews in computer shopper.\n>I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here\n>using it, but the screen seems to have a problem keeping up with the\n>modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine.  I can't\n>see it having trouble keeping up.  His pcplus for dos works great,\n>but the windows just seems to always screw up....Is this common\n>and is there a fix?  Or is something just screwed with his machine?\n>\t\t\t\t\tKent\n\nI have no trouble running Procomm for Windows at 14.4 v.42 on a considerably \nslower 486sx. Could be a video problem but only if he has incredibly slow\nvideo.\n","1893":"From: gmark@cbnewse.cb.att.com (gilbert.m.stewart)\nSubject: oxaprozin?\nOrganization: AT&T\nKeywords: Daypro\nLines: 7\n\nAnyone have any information on the effects\/origin of oxaprozin?\nIt's marketed under the name \"DAYpro\", and appears to be an\nanti-inflammatory.  Is it similar to naproxin?  Stronger?\n\nTIA\n\nGMS\n","1894":"From: mjhill@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL JAMES HILL)\nSubject: New applications of electronics\nOriginator: mjhill@c00483-224wi.eos.ncsu.edu\nReply-To: mjhill@eos.ncsu.edu (MICHAEL JAMES HILL)\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 8\n\n\n\n\tI'm looking for brief information on new\napplications of electronics (or new electronics in\napplications.) If you know of any interesting new\nstuff, I would be intrested in hearing about it.\n\n\t\t\tThanks, MJH\n","1895":"From: isaaci@ccsg.tau.ac.il (barash isaac)\nSubject: Spigot on LC III\nOrganization: Tel-Aviv University Computation Center\nLines: 16\n\nA friend of mine has problems running Spigot LC on an LC III.\nHis configuration is:\n\nSpigot LC \/ LC III, System 7.1\nVideo Spigot Extension 1.0\n\nI would appriciate if I can get any postitive\/negative experience with this\nsetup.  \n\nThanks,\n\n-Amir\n\n\n\n\n","1896":"From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nNntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu\nOrganization: University of Texas at San Antonio\nDistribution: na\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1qpg8fINN982@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu\n(Andrew Molitor) writes:\n>In article <tcmayC5M2xv.JEx@netcom.com>\n>tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May) writes:\n>\n>>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime\n>                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>Isn't this just a little melodramatic?\n\nNot at all. Two weeks ago I registered a concern about some programming\nthat was being conducted by a student organisation here at the\nUniversity of Texas at San Antonio.  As a result, I was interrogated\nby the capus police, who also attempted to create a positive-identification\nfile (photo, fingerprints, etc.). I refused to permit this, and filed a\ncomplaint with the University administration.  The Vice-President for\nBusiness Affairs (the 'boss' of the campus police) stated that he had no\ninterest in the legal\/Constitutional implications of those actions.\n\n-- \nThe greatest threat facing the citizens of the United States in the decade of\nthe 90s is the United States Government; at all levels -- Federal, State, Local\n[All opinions are mine, and I reserve the right to deny them at any time - WWH]\n","1897":"From: CROSEN1@ua1vm.ua.edu (Charles Rosen)\nSubject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ua1vm.ua.edu\nOrganization: The University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa\nLines: 61\n\nIn article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU>\ngt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:\n \n>Joe Torre has to be the worst manager in baseball.\n>\n>For anyone who didn't see Sunday's game,\n>\n>With a right hander pitching he decides to bench Lankform, a left handed\n>hitter and play jordan and gilkey, both right handers.\n>\n>Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts\n>lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis\n>Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter.  What the Hell\n>is he thinking.\n>\nFor your information, Lankford is injured (I think it is his shoulder or rib\ncage), so he could not use him as a pinch hitter.\n \n>Earlier in the game in an interview about acquiring Mark Whiten he commented\n>how fortunate the Cardinals were to get Whiten and that Whiten would be a\n>regular even though this meant that Gilkey would be hurt, But torre said\n>he liked Gilkey coming off the bench.  Gilkey hit over 300 last year,\n>what does he have to do to start, The guy would be starting on most every\n>team in the league.\n>\nI do believe that Whiten was a very good aquisition for the Cards.  He does\nnot have too much offensive capabilities, but he is an awesome defensively.\nSince when have the Cardnials actually thought of offense instead of defense?:)\nI forgot who St. Louis gave up for him, but it was not too much.\n \nAs far as Gilkey is concerned, he is a leftfielder and so is Brian Jordan, who\nbeat him out.  I expect to see a Gilkey\/Jordan platoon in LF.\n \n>Furthermore, in Sundays game when lankford was thrown out at the plate,\n>The replay showed Bucky Dent the third base coach looking down the line\n>and waving lankford home,\n>\nI agree with you on this one.  As soon as Larkin threw that ball, I knew that\nLankford was a dead bird.  But how could Dent have known that Larkin would make\na perfect throw?\n \nI strongly believe that Torre is one of the best managers in baseball.  Don't\nforget the overachieving Cards of '91 that won all those close games and went\nfrom last place to second place (although they were oveshadowed by the Braves\/\nTwins last to first climb).  He won a division title, and barely lost a pennant\nrace when he was with the Braves (why Atlanta ever even considered firing him I\nwill never understand).  With Torre at the controls, the Cardinals are heading\nin the right direction.\n \nOne more thing, one game does not make a season.  Yes, they lost to the Reds,\nbut with the second best pitching staff in the National League (first in the\nEast), and a pretty good offense, the Redbirds will win a lot more than they\nlose.  Maybe this is the year that they will go all the way.\n \nCharles, a very enthusiastic Cardnials fan\n \n  -----------------------------------------------------------------\n  \u00ba Charles Rosen            \u00ba      THIRTY-FOUR TO THIRTEEN!!!    \u00ba\n  \u00ba University of Alabama    \u00ba   NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!  ROLL TIDE!!! \u00ba\n  \u00ba Tuscaloosa, AL           \u00ba         (Need I Say More?)         \u00ba\n  -----------------------------------------------------------------\n","1898":"From: epritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard)\nSubject: Re: div. and conf. names\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: UIUC Department of Psychology\nLines: 59\n\nmaynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n>In <115873@bu.edu> Jason Gibson writes:\n\n>>I can live with the other changes that have been made (e.g. the playoff format\n>>change), but the change to the division and conference names really annoys me.\n>>\"Batman\" was on TSN last night saying that changing the names would make the\n>>game easier for the \"occasional fan to follow\".  He should have said what he\n>>meant: that changing the names will make the game easier for _Americans_ in \n>>non-hockey cities to follow.  I don't know of too many of my friends who had \n>>a hard time following which teams were in each division. Even a minimal amount\n>>of exposure to the game allows a person to quickly pick up on this.\n\n>There is nothing wrong with making the game easier for \"_Americans_\" to\n>follow.  The more fans the merrier and even if you dislike the \"occasional\"\n>fan there is always the chance that these fans will become fanatics.\n\n>I am glad that the names are being changed for another reason.  The names\n>Patrick, Smythe, Norris, Adams and Campbell are all the names of so-called\n>\"builders\" of the game.  This is the same type of thinking that put Stein\n>in the Hall of Fame.  This is absolute nonsense.  The real builders of the\n>game are Richard, Morenz, Howe, Conacher, Orr, etc.  If you are going to\n>name the divisions after people at least name the divisions after people\n>who deserve it.\n\n\tI think that you are incorrect, Roger.  Patrick,\nSmythe and Adams all played or coached in the league before becoming\nfront office types.  Hence, they did help build the league, although\nthey were not great players themselves.  \n\n\tI agree that a name is a name is a name, and if some people\nhave trouble with names that are not easily processed by the fans,\nthen changing them to names that are more easily processed seems like\na reasonable idea.  If we can get people in the (arena) door by being\nuncomplicated, then let's do so.  Once we have them, they will realize\nwhat a great game hockey is, and we can then teach them something\nabotu the history of the game.  \n \n>The history of the names can be put rather succinctly.  All of the aforemen-\n>tioned used the game of hockey to make money.  Can you imagine a Pocklington\n>division?  A Ballard division?  Or how about a Green division?\n\n\tNo, I would not want to see a Ballard division.  But to say\nthat these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are\nassholes would be fallacious.  Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy\nindividual (from what I have heard). \n\n\tAlso, isn't the point of \"professional\" hockey to make money\nfor all those involved, which would include the players.  What I think\nyou might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as\nshould have been their due, and it is the players that are what make\nthe game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming\ndivision after management people rather than players is adding insult\n(in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was\ndeserved).   \n\n_______________________\nEvan Pritchard --------  Number 1 or 9 depending on the hockey pool \n=======================\nepritcha@psych.uiuc.edu  \n","1899":"From: klm@gozer.mv.com (Kevin L. McBride)\nSubject: The Holocaust Revisited\nOrganization: GhostBuster Central - Southern NH Usenet Access, Nashua, NH\nLines: 17\n\nThe U.S. Government's campaign of persecution and genocide against the\nBranch Davidians was a resounding success.\n\nHeil Clinton!  Heil Reno!  The Gestapo is alive and well and living in\nWashington, D.C.\n\n-- \nKevin, who agrees that David Koresh was probably a first-rate nutcase\n       but who firmly believes that the Bill of Rights guaranteed his\n       his right to be a religious fanatic and that the government is\n       guilty of violating his civil rights and of 1st degree murder.\n\n       OK, which small, under-represented-in-congress religious group\n       are we going to persecute next and are we going to torch their\n       church with a rolled up copy of the Constitution?\n\n       I think I'm going to be sick now. . .\n","1900":"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)\nSubject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance !\nNntp-Posting-Host: gozer\nOrganization: SigSauer Fan Club \nLines: 66\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n>You are loosing.\n\nWhat's \"loosing?\"  \n\n>Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter\n>how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. \n\nI vote.  I don't consider RKBA an abomination. \n\n>This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your\n>RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty.\n\nI'm sure Sarah Brady would be delighted to hear your ranting and\nraving.  However, Clinton has not publically stated that he would\nlike to repeal the Second Amendment.  \"Tough titty\" to you.\n\n>You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. The number of\n>cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you\n>can do about it. Those who live by the sword shall die by it. \n\nAre we going to \"make do without\" like the people in New York City? \nYou know New York City: That gun ban utopia you dream about, with\nthe millions of unregistered handguns?  New York City, by the way,\nhas a very high crime rate.\n\nPerhaps you should know about a gungrabber's nightmare - Idaho.\nHere in Idaho, the police give concealed carry permits to anyone\nover 21 without a criminal record.  There are no gungrabber schemes\nsuch as FOIDs, waiting periods, \"gun a month,\" or LTCs.  And horror\nof horrors!  You don't even NEED a permit to carry a concealed\nweapon while outside of city limits (although you do need a permit\nfor concealed carry in an automobile).\n\nI feel a hell of a lot safer in Boise than I would in your gun ban\ndream state (e.g., Washington, D.C.).\n\n>The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against\n>you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it !\n\nThe voting public in Idaho is staunchly pro-gun.  Both senators\nare NRA-endorsed \"A\" rated!  Buy a clue, pal.\n\n>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect\n>them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time.\n>Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an\n>immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. \n>\nGet out your wallet and buy another clue.  There are millions upon\nMILLIONS of pre-1968 (i.e., non-4473'ed) firearms out there.\nThey have a half-life approaching eternity.  And cosmoline is not\nexactly tracked by the feds.\n\n>Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions\n>are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will\n>be as safe as possible. Such as it is ...\n>\nGun control laws were passed to PROTECT the KKK from blacks!\n\nDrew\n--\nbetz@gozer.idbsu.edu\n*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho ***\n*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights   ***\n*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,\n    semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium\n","1901":"From: 6500alh@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Archie Holmes)\nSubject: Prizm's Radio Question\nKeywords: prizm, geo, radio, theft\nDistribution: rec\nLines: 7\n\n\n I was lloking at the Geo Prizm Lsi today (very nice).  Anyway, I had a\nquestions that the salesperson couldn't answer.  How does the theft\ndeterrent on the Prizm's audio systems work?  Can't find the answer\nin any of Geo's lterature.  Thanks in advance.\n\nArchie Holmes\n","1902":"From: tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock)\nSubject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventional peace)\nNntp-Posting-Host: orion.oac.uci.edu\nOrganization: University of California, Irvine\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1qvi7s$b1o@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman) writes:\n>\n>   First this man promotes the dissolution of the Jews through an\n>intermarriage process, and then says that it will be just a bunch\n>of 'fundamentalist' Jews who will object.  \n>\n>Or does he simply mean to insult the orthodox by using the word \n>'fundamentalist?'\n>\nIt's irritating when someone mis-labels \"us\" as \"fundamentalists\",\nisn't it?  This sort of thing may help us understand why some muslims \nrather resent being put under this label.\n\nTim\n\n","1903":"From: kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie)\nSubject: Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography\nOrganization: University of Illinois, Dept. of Comp. Sci., Urbana, IL\nLines: 18\n\nkubo@zariski.harvard.edu (Tal Kubo) writes:\n\n[...]\n>The EFF has been associated with efforts to prevent the banning of sex\n>and pictures newsgroups at various universities.\n[...]\n\nSo what? Justices William Brennan, Thurgood Marshall, John Paul\nStevens, and Byron White are associated with a plurality Supreme Court\ndecision that prevented the removal of \"anti-American, anti-Christian,\nanti-Semitic, and just plain filthy\" books from a public high school\nlibrary [_Board of Education v. Pico_ (1982)]. Does this mean that\nthey could no longer defend free expression and privacy?\n\n- Carl\n-- \nCarl Kadie -- I do not represent any organization; this is just me.\n = kadie@cs.uiuc.edu =\n","1904":"From: tmh@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd M. Helfter)\nSubject: Re: BATF\/FBI revenge\nOrganization: Purdue University Computing Center\nLines: 172\n\n\n>Does anyone have any idea about the size of Waco?  I'm just curious because\n>if it were a small town that may have something to do with it.  Possibly not.\n>It sure didn't take it very long to burn down though.  I was watching ABC and\n>it only took like a little over 30 minutes to burn down.\n\n\tWaco is a city of about 100,000 people.  The population temporarily\n   raised to about 102,000 people when all the feds, and state police officers\n   arrived.\n\n\tI tell you what, I stayed in a hotel room about 4 miles from the BD\n   compound around 3 weeks ago.  I have never felt more paranoid in my whole\n   life.  There were at least 100 state police in the hotel.\n\n\n\n\n\n>\n>>The claim \"we had the water turned off, so the fire engines had to bring\n>>their own\" doesn't hold up:  If they had cut off the water, they surely\n>>could have turned it back on just as quickly.  They just didn't want to:\n>>There were some scores to settle.  Message to anybody else is very clear:\n>>\"DON'T FUCK WITH US.  WE WILL DO YOU IN...\"\n>>\n>Not that I am one to believe that everything that the government tells us is\n>true but if that was the message they wanted to send why did they wait 51 days?\n>I think the message would be better sent by charging in there right away - not\n>waiting for 51 days and pounding them with sound, etc.\n>\n>>A bunch of dead BD members are not going to be so able to tell their\n>>side of the story, so now all we have is the story according to the BATF\n>>and FBI.  Also, Mr \"care about the rights of people\" Clinton, or his\n>>administration approved this action (FBI said 'Washington had approved\n>>it').  They FBI said the gas masks used by the BDs have a finite life,\n>>and were close to running out.  WHY COULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST WAITED?\n>\n>Well, there are 9 people supposedly alive.  They can tell their story.  As far\n>as Bill Clinton is concerned don't you think he has more pressing matters to\n>attend to besides some small group of people in Texas?  How about Bosnia?  Now\n>there's a problem......    Why couldn't they have waited?  They waited too long\n>as it is.  Something should have been done earlier.\n>\n>>\n>>They gov is trying to say it was a mass suicide.  In the past they had\n>>expressed this was a real possibility, but now they decided it wasn't\n>>a possibility so they could go on with the raid.  Apparantly what they\n>>feel Korash was or was not capable of or going to do was driven by\n>>what was most convenient at the time...\n>>\n>>Now this means that:\n>>\n>>1: The public and media will forget about all this - having become weary of\n>>it.\n>\n>This has already happened for many people.\n>\n>>2: There will be no investigation (independent or otherwise) or a whitewash.\n>\n>Very much a possibility.\n>\n>>3: There will be no unsealing of the warrant and related documents.\n>>4: What anybody will know about this incident will be the BATF version.\n>\n>With the way our government is I wouldn't doubt it.\n>\n>>5: The BATF has just been given Carte Blanche for further abuses, with\n>>   the effective support and approval of the Administration.\n>\n>Clinton said on the news that he knew about what was happening but that it was\n>all in the hands of the FBI.  That is if you choose to believe the media.\n>\n>>6: There WILL BE more abuses, with no concern of Administration censure.\n>>7: The precident has been established that the Feds can kill in quantity\n>>   to achieve their aims.  Especially if the target is excercising their\n>>   rights under the Second Amendment, and the rest of the Bill of Rights,\n>>   and is a government-declared un-nice fellow.\n>\n>If they had rocket launchers and such (as the press and gov claims) why\n>shouldn't they have done something?  What possible use would a religious cult\n>have for a rocket launcher?  Also, is child abuse covered by the Bill of\n>Rights?\n>\n>> : LLs and CLAMs will be pleased.  Dung Tsow Ping(sp) will be pleased.\n>>   Saddam Hussein(sp) will be pleased.  Idi Amin would be pleased.  Stalin\n>>   would be pleased.  Even Hitler would be pleased.  Any self-respecting\n>>   despot would nod and say \"Well Done, Bill Clinton!!\"\n>>\n>Well, then there are probably a lot of self-respecting despots in the US cause\n>I'm sure they feel the same way.\n>\n>>God Bless America - Land of the Free!!!  (past tense).\n>>\n>>Well, maybe I AM overreacting.  But I see on the TV as I am typing where\n>\n>Maybe, maybe not.  There are a lot of questions that should be raised about\n>this incident.  The problem is, who will do it and be heard?\n>\n>>govt spoksewoman (the new attorney general, known to be almost rabid\n>>about private ownership of guns - wants to ban 'assault guns' and just\n>>about everything else), is saying the FBI had \"amazing restraint\", then\n>>falls back into the official goverenment line about how the BD were\n>>guity of child abuse, and were into it in an on-going basis, and so on.\n>>Note that according to the Liberal Elite, giving a child a spanking is\n>>regarded as child abuse (seriously - if it gets known, the STATE can\n>>take your child away from you if you spank your kid).  She also is saying\n>\n>Which state is that?  The federal government  or an individual state government\n>?\n>\n>>CLINTON PERSONALLY APPROVED THIS OPERATION - she \"told him it was\n>>appropriate and so on, and he SAID OK, DO IT\".  Somehow, I am not\n>>surprised - the people MUST KNOW WHO IS BOSS - WHO IS IN CHARGE!!!\n>>And it is obviouly no longer the people.\n>>\n>It seems to me that the people haven't been in charge for a long time.  If they\n>really were I don't think the government would be doing as many things as it\n>has in the past.\n>\n>>And I maintain the appropriate response, as far as this raid by BATF is\n>>concerned, regarding child abuse is \"so what?\".  BATF are not our Child\n>>Protective Services Police.  Yet.  After all the BD had been TRIED on\n>>that charge before and found NOT GUILTY.  The gov't people have pretty\n>>much gone silent on the terrible illegal guns BD supposedly has, and\n>>stress the \"continued child abuse\" (apparantly to make it a seem as sort\n>>of a 'rescue' operation, figuring everyone hates child abusers, and\n>>anything is OK to use against them).  Occasional references to ammunition\n>>possesed by the BDs and so on is irrelevant: it is NOT ILLEGAL to have\n>>ammunition (yet).\n>>\n>True but is it illegal to have a rocket launcher?\n>\n>>Am I having a vain hope that an honest investigation will occur on this\n>>thing?  Or will it simply be whitewashed under the rug, and Business\n>>as Usual will continue to be the Order of the Day in the New Order?\n>>Who will be given the official title of \"Thought Police\", I wonder...?\n>>\n>>And if Clinton and friends have their way, (highly likely at this point)\n>>the New Order Government will also have all the guns...  So what if\n>>\"1984\" is going to be ten years late...  I think we are going to discover\n>>that we will be paying DEARLY for putting this fellow in office for decades\n>>to come.  Even some die-hard supporters are having serious doubts about\n>>their Savior.\n>>\n>Shit, if people dont get what they want right away there is an instant problem.\n>Clinton has only been in office for a few months.  Give him a chance to get\n>something done.  The guy had a lot of shit thrown in his lap in the beginning.\n>Give him a chance to work on things a little.  As they say - Rome wasn't built\n>in a day.\n>\n>>Yes, I am UPSET.  I see NO GOOD as far as civil\/individual rights to\n>>come of any of his proposals\/decisions for the last month or so...\n>>We have really been HAD.  Or Bill of Rights is now nothing but a quaint\n>>curiosity.\n>>\n>I highly doubt that it is that bad yet.  How about the Rodney King trial?  The\n>two people who were most responsible got the axe.  How bad the axe falls tho\n>is yet to be seen.\n>\n>>Anybody for impeachment?\n>>\n>Nope.   I would prefer to give Bill a little more than four or five months to\n>solve the nations problems.\n>>--\n>>pat@rwing.uucp      [Without prejudice UCC 1-207]     (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA\n>>         If all else fails, try:       ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat\n>>WISDOM: \"Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,\n>>         and I am not sure about the former.\"              - Albert Einstien\n>\n>Jason - u28037@uicvm.cc.uic.edu\n\n\n","1905":"From: sundar@fiber-one.ai.mit.edu (Sundar Narasimhan)\nSubject: how much would a Tektronix 2465A oscilloscope fetch\nReply-To: sundar@ai.mit.edu\nOrganization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fiber-one.ai.mit.edu\n\nHi: I'd like to know how much the foll. equipment will fetch in the used\nequipment market (without manuals or other accessories):\n\t1. Tektronix 2465 scope\n\t2. Tektronix 2465A scope\n\t3. Tektronix 1240 logic analyser\n\nThanks much for your help.\n","1906":"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)\nSubject: Re: Ten questions about Israel\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc8.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n   Why does the Center For Policy Research pose such unbelievably\nstupid and loaded questions to this newsgroup.  What are you? - a\nthink tank, or a fish tank?  Every time I start to believe I have\nseen the outer boundaries of your stupidity, you come up with one\nstep beyond.  When will it end, man?  Can you actually have brain\nenough to dress and feed yourself each morning?\n\n","1907":"From: ab@nova.cc.purdue.edu (Allen B)\nSubject: Re: thining algorithm\nOrganization: Purdue University\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1q7615INNmi@shelley.u.washington.edu> kshin@stein.u.washington.edu  \n(Kevin Shin) writes:\n> I am trying obtain program to preprocess handwriting characters.\n> Like thining algorithm, graph alogrithm.\n> Do anyone know where I can obtain those?\n\nI usually use \"Algorithms for graphics and image processing\" by\nTheodosios Pavlidis, but other people here got them same idea and now\n3 of 4 copies in the libraries have been stolen!\n\nAnother reference is \"Digital Image Processing\" by Gonzalez and\nWintz\/Wood, which is widely available but a little expensive ($55\nhere- I just checked today).\n\nab\n","1908":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Re:xSoviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 174\n\nIn article <2BD220B1.22816@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n\n>>>>I sure hope so. Because, the unspeakable crimes of the Armenians must \n>>>>be righted. Armenian invaders burned and sacked the fatherland of \n>>\n>>>No!  NO!  no no no no no.  It is not justifiable to right wrongs of\n>>>previous years.  \n\n>Well, there is a bit: such as the German reparations to the jewish\n>survivors of the Holocaust. Certainly, as such an event goes further \n>into the past, reparations become less realistic.\n\nI was convinced that no one could have a more warped sense of the\nworld. They were 'our' grandparents who were cold-bloodedly exterminated\nby the Armenians between 1914 and 1920, not yours. And you can always\nparticipate in 'The Turkish Genocide Day' along with millions of Turkish \nand Kurdish people on April 23, 1993 in the United States and Canada. \n\n...On this occasion, we once again reiterate the unquestioned \njustice of the restitution of Turkish and Kurdish rights and...\n\n- We demand that the x-Soviet Armenian Government admit its \nresponsibility for the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, render \nreparations to the Muslim people, and return the land to its \nrightful owners. The recognition of the Genocide has become an \nissue which cannot be delayed further, and it is imperative that \nartificial obstacles created for political manipulations be removed.\n\n- We believe the time has come to demand from the the United States \nthat it formally recognizes the Turkish and Kurdish Genocide, adopts \nthe principles of our demands and refuses to accede to Armenian pressures \nto the contrary.\n\n- As taxpayers of the United States, we express our vehement \nprotest to the present U.S. Government policy of continued \ncoddling, protection and unqualified assistance towards x-Soviet\nArmenia.\n\n- We also demand that the United States return to the policies \nadvocated by U.S. Ambassador Bristol and other enlightened statesmen,\nwho have undertaken a just, human and benevolent attitude towards \nthe rights of the Muslim people and the just resolution of their Case.\n\n- Our territorial demands are strictly aimed at x-Soviet Armenia's.\n\n\nAnd in article <2BAC262D.25249@news.service.uci.edu>, you have blatantly\nlied:\n\n>The Goltz article was NOT published in the Sunday Times Magazine\n>on March 1, 1992, but in the Guardian Sunday Section. \n\nWell, still anxiously awaiting...\n\nCIS Commander Pulls Troops Out of Karabagh :\n\n\"Elif Kaban, a Reuter correspondent in Agdam, reported that after a battle \n on Wednesday, Azeris were burying scores of people who died when Armenians \n overran the town of Khojaly, the second-biggest Azeri settlement in the \n area. 'The world is turning its back on what's happening here. We are dying \n and you are just watching,' one mourner shouted at a group of journalists.\"\n Helen Womack\n The Independent, 2\/29\/92\n\nArmenian Soldiers Massacre Hundreds of Fleeing Families:\n\n\"The attackers killed most of the soldiers and volunteers defending the \n women and children.  They then turned their guns on the terrified refugees.  \n The few survivors later described what happened: 'That's when the real \n slaughter began,' said Azer Hajiev, one of the three soldiers to survive.  \n 'The Armenians just shot and shot. And they came in and started carving \n up people with their bayonets and knives.'  A 45-year-old man who had been \n shot in the back  said:' We were walking through the brush. Then they opened \n up on us and people were falling all around.  My wife fell, then my child.\"\n Thomas Goltz\n Sunday Times, 3\/1\/92\n\nArmenian Raid Leaves Azeris Dead or Fleeing:\n\n\"...about 1,000 of Khojaly's 10,000 people were killed in Tuesdays attack. \n Azerbaijani television showed truckloads of corpses being evacuated from \n the Khocaly area.\"\n Brian Killen (Reuters)\n The Washington Times, 3\/2\/92\n\nAtrocity Reports Horrify Azerbaijan :\n\n\"Azeri officials who returned from the seen to this town about nine miles \n away brought back three dead children, the backs of their heads blown off...\n 'Women and children had been scalped,' said Assad Faradzev, an aide to \n Karabagh's Azeri governor.  Azeri television showed pictures of one \n truckload of bodies brought to the Azeri town of Agdam, some with their \n faces apparently scratched with knives or their eyes gouged out.\"\n Brian Killen (Reuters)\n The Washington Times, 3\/3\/92\n\nMassacre By Armenians Being Reported:\n\n\"The Republic of Armenia reiterated denials that its militants had \n killed 1,000 [Azeris]... But dozens of bodies scattered over the \n area lent credence to Azerbaijani reports of a massacre.\"\n (Reuters)\n The New York Times, 3\/3\/92\n\nKillings Rife in Nagorno-Karabagh, Moldova:\n\n\"Journalists in the area reported seeing dozens of corpses, including some \n of the civilians, and Azerbaijani officials said Armenians began shooting \n at them when they sought to recover the bodies.\"\n Fred Hiatt\n The Washington Post, 3\/3\/92\n\nBodies Mark Site of Karabagh Massacre:\n\n\"A local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijanis to collect their dead \n and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest.  All are the bodies \n of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly clorhing of workers. Of the 31 \n we saw only one policeman and two apparent national volunteers were wearing \n uniform.  All the rest were civilians, including eight women and three small\n children. Two groups, apparently families, had fallen together, the children \n cradled in the women's arms.  Several of them, including one small girl, had \n terrible head injuries: only her face was left. Survivors have told how they \n saw Armenians shooting them point blank as they lay on the ground.\"\n Anatol Lieven\n The Times (London), 3\/3\/92\n\nKarabagh Survivors Flee to Mountains:\n\n\"Geyush Gassanov, the deputy mayor of Khocaly, said that Armenian troops \n surrounded the town after 7 pm on Tuesday. They were accompanied by six \n or seven light tanks and armoured carriers.  'We thought they would just \n bombard the village, as they had in the past, and then retreat.  But they \n attacked, and our defence force couldn't do anything against their tanks.'  \n Other survivors described how they had been fired on repeatedly on their \n way through the mountains to safety. 'For two days we crawled most of the \n way to avoid gunfire,' Sukru Aslanov said.  His daughter was killed in the \n battle for Khodjaly, and his brother and son died on the road.\"\n Anatol Lieven\n The Times (London), 3\/3\/92\n\nCorpses Litter Hills in Karabagh:\n\n\"As we swooped low over the snow covered hills of Nagorno-Karabagh we saw \n the scattered corpses. Apparently, the refugees had been shot down as \n they ran...Suddenly there was a thump...[our Azerbaijani helicopter] had \n been fired on from an Armenian anti-aircraft post...\"\n Anatol Lieven\n The Times (London), 3\/4\/92\n\n\"Police in western Azerbaijan said they had recovered the bodies of \n 120 Azerbaijanis killed as they fled an Armenian assault in the \n disputed enclave of Nagorno-Karabagh and said they were blocked from \n recovering more bodies.\"\n The Wall Street Journal, 3\/4\/92\n\nExiting Troops Attacked in Nagorno-Karabagh:\n\n\"Withdrawal halted;  Armenians Blamed...\n More video footage and reports from Khocaly paint a grim picture of \n widespread civilian deaths and mutilation...\n One woman's feet appeared to have been bound...\"\n Paul Quinn-Judge\n The Boston Globe, 3\/4\/92\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","1909":"From: jimh@carson.u.washington.edu (James Hogan)\nSubject: Re: The Inimitable Rushdie\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <115571@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n>In article <2BCC892B.21864@ics.uci.edu> bvickers@ics.uci.edu (Brett J. Vickers) writes:\n>\n>>In article <115290@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:\n>\n>>>Well, seeing as you are not muslim the sort of fatwa issued by Khomeini\n>>>would not be relevant to you. I can understand your fear of persecution\n>>>and I share it even more than you (being muslim), however Rushdie's\n>>>behavior was not completely excusable.\n\nAs much as I considered some of the (so-called) Islam-related dialogue\nhere a total waste of time, I somehow can't restrain myself in this\ninstance, so, Gregg, try this:\n\n20:52 P.S.T.  I come to my senses and accept the all-knowing\nwisdom and power of the Quran and Allah.  Not only that, but Allah \nhimself drops by to congratulate me on my wise choice. Allah rolls a\nfew bones and we get down.  Then Allah gets out the Crisco, bends \nover, and invites me to take a spin around the block.  Wow.\n\n20:56 P.S.T.  I realize that maybe Allah is looking for more of a \ncommitment than I'm ready for, so I say \"Man, I've got some\nprogramming to do.  Gotta go.  I'll call you.\"\n\n20:59 P.S.T   Thinking it over, I renounce Islam.\n\nBTW, Gregg, Allah said he still thinks of you.\n\nJim\n\n","1910":"From: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com (Les Bartel)\nSubject: Re: Aftermarket air-conditioners\nReply-To: ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1qcaueINNmt8@axon.cs.unc.edu> Andrew Brandt writes:\n|> I looked into getting a\/c installed on my 1987 Honda CRX Si.\n|> The unit is $875 plus shipping, installation is like 5 1\/2 hours on\n|> top of that.  This is a hunk of change.\n|> \n|> Does anyone know *any* place that does aftermarket a\/c installation\n|> (not with a Honda a\/c unit, but some third party unit).\n|> \n|> I cannot seem to find anyone who can put a third party a\/c unit in a\n|> Honda.  I am in No Carolina, so I would prefer some place nearby, but\n|> any references would be handy.\n|>\n|> Thx, Andy (brandt@cs.unc.edu)\n\nSorry I can't help you with your question, but I do have a comment to\nmake concerning aftermarket A\/C units.  I have a Frost-King or Frost-Temp\n(forget which) aftermarket unit on my Cavalier, and am quite unhappy with\nit.  The fan is noisy, and doesn't put out much air.  I will never have\nan aftermarket A\/C installed in any of my vehicles again.  I just can't\ntrust the quality and performance after this experience.\n\n - les\n\n-- \nLes Bartel\t\t\tI'm going to live forever\nIntergraph Corporation\t\t... or die trying\nElectronics Division\t\t\nljbartel@ingr.com\nor ljbartel@naomi.b23b.ingr.com\n(205) 730-8537\n","1911":"From: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com (Geno )\nSubject: Re: When are two people married in God's e\nReply-To: Eugene.Bigelow@ebay.sun.com\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems, Inc.\nLines: 8\n\n|In article <Apr.14.03.07.21.1993.5402@athos.rutgers.edu> >randerso@acad1.sahs.uth.tmc.edu (Robert Anderson) writes:\n|>I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged\n|>couple become \"married\" in God's eyes? \n\n|Not if they are unwilling to go through a public marriage ceremony,\n|nor if they say they are willing but have not actually done so.\n\n  How do you know this?\n","1912":"From: tsmith+@cs.cmu.edu (Tom Smith)\nSubject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style \"Internal Passport\"\nNntp-Posting-Host: seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.022926.27270@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary) writes:\n>In article <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes:\n>>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do \n>>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it \n>>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid?\n>\n>This, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical\n>coverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future\n>national system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured\n>must always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital,\n>you must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. \n>In an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, \n>you must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do\n>so for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within\n>24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need\n>your card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly\n>wouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry\n>the card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage.\n>\n>                                                 Frank Crary\n>                                                 CU Boulder\n>\nWhich works fine until you end up in the hospital because you were hit on the\nhead and your wallet, with your insurance card, is stolen.  This happened to \nme, and it took six months to sort the mess out.  These sorts of plans sound\nnice at first, but in the end they just create a lot of paperwork and\nbureaucracy to deal with all the checking and filing they involve.\n\n\t\t\t\tTom the non hacker\n\t\t\t\ttsmith@seismo.soar.cs.cmu.edu\n\t\t\t\tThe return address is set wrong, send personal\n\t\t\t\tresponse to the above address.\n\n\n","1913":"From: randy@lynx.msc.cornell.edu.UUCP (Randall Jay Ellingson,199 Clark,55915,)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOriginator: randy@msc2.msc.cornell.edu\nOrganization: Cornell-Materials-Science-Center\nLines: 47\n\nFrom article <1qq7i1INNdqc@dns1.NMSU.Edu>, by bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB):\n> wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) write:\n> \n>>In article <1qpu0uINNbt1@dns1.NMSU.Edu> bgrubb@dante.nmsu.edu (GRUBB) writes:\n>>>wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith) writes:\n>>>Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the \"figure includes a\n>>>hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers\"  This is sloppy people and DUMB.\n>>What group is this?  This is not a MAC group.\n> Nice of you to DELETE BOTH YOUR responce and the item that prompted it.\n> to whit:\n>>>I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home.  I paid $369 for it.  I\n>                                       ^^^\n\n[Tons of stuff deleted on SCSI vs. IDE question...]\n\nWow, you guys are really going wild on this IDE vs. SCSI thing, and I think\nit's great!\n\nLike lots of people, I'd really like to increase my data transfer rate from\nthe hard drive.  Right now I have a 15ms 210Mb IDE drive (Seagate 1239A), and\nwhat I would say is a standard (not special, no cache I believe) IDE controller\ncard on my ISA 486-50.\n\nI'm currently thinking about adding another HD, in the 300Mb to 500Mb range.\nAnd I'm thinking hard (you should hear those gears a-grinding in my head)\nabout buying a SCSI drive (SCSI for the future benefit).  I believe I'm getting\nsomething like 890Kb\/sec transfer right now (according to NU).  How would this\nnumber compare if I bought the state-of-the-art SCSI card for my ISA PC, and\nthe state-of-the-art SCSI hard drive (the wailing-est system I could hope for)?\nObviously money factors into this choice as well as any other, but what would\nYOU want to use on your ISA system? And how much would it cost?\n\nAlong those lines, what kind of transfer rate could I see with my IDE HD's if I\nwere to buy the top-of-the-line IDE caching controller for my 200Mb, 15ms HD?\nAnd how much would it cost?\n\nI actually have a PAS-16, and could (what a waste I guess it would be...) hook\nup a SCSI HD through it's SCSI port which yields an optimum of 690Kb\/sec.\nActually, I have a borrowed 12ms Fujitsu HD hooked up through it now (and\nown the Trantor HD drivers for the PAS-16 SCSI port).  Is this SCSI port a\nSCSI-2 port?  How could I tell?  Is the Fujitsu 2623A a SCSI-2?  Are all SCSI\nHD's SCSI-2?\n\nThanks for any comments on these rephrased questions.\n\nRandy\n  \n","1914":"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Going permanent no-mail\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 8\n\nWell, it's that time of year again here at IU:  graduation.\nUnfortunately, this means that I am out of here, more than likely for\ngood.  I cannot say if I'll be in here under another username or not, or\neven if I'll ever get back in here at all.  I am leaving this part of my\nministry to another brother, John Right.  So, have fun and remember that\nflaming can be considered slander.\n\nJoe Fisher\n","1915":"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nIn-Reply-To: ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu's message of Thu, 15 Apr 1993 03:02:20 GMT\nLines: 26\nOrganization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc.\n\nIn article <C5I8Fx.8FC@ucdavis.edu> ez033672@rocky.ucdavis.edu (The Great Randalli!) writes:\n\n>     Can anyone explain in fairly simple terms why, if I get OS\/2, I might \n>   need an SCSI controler rather than an IDE.  Will performance suffer that\n>   much?  For a 200MB or so drive?  If I don't have a tape drive or CD-ROM?\n>   Any help would be appreciated.\n>\n>   Richard Randall -- <ez033672@hamlet.ucdavis.edu>\n\nThere is a way in which a multi-tasking computer actually gives you\nmore CPU power then you had before, and that is with I\/O overlap.\nWith I\/O overlap, your CPU can continue to \"think\" while disk\noperations are underway, whereas without overlap, your CPU sits idly\nwaiting for each disk operation to finish - and disk operations take\nan *eternity*, compared to a fast CPU.\n\nSo, when you've got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by\nincreasing the amount of overlapping you do.\n\nOne way is with DMA or bus mastering.  Either of these make it\npossible for I\/O devices to move their data into and out of memory\nwithout interrupting the CPU.  The alternative is for the CPU to move\nthe data.  There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and\nbus mastering.  IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface\ncreated for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data\nbytes, with no DMA.\n-- \nRichard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com\nOS\/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...\n","1916":"From: drozinst@db.erau.edu (Drozinski Tim)\nSubject: Re: Ulf and all...\nOrganization: Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, Daytona Beach, FL USA\nLines: 59\nNNTP-Posting-Host: alpha.db.erau.edu\n\nlayfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) writes:\n\n>In article <1pdlksINNmq7@GIRAFFE.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> wuziyun%suned@cs.yale.edu (You wanna know?) writes:\n>>\n>>\n>>Let me give my two cents worth in this whole thing:\n>>\n>>  I am very sick of Pittsburg fans(and they are my second favorite team) \n>>talk about how \" why can't Bruins forget about Ulf Samuelsson when we have\n>>forgotten all about Adam Graves\"  Beside the obvious fact that Lemeuix's career\n>>was never endangered by Graves' slash while Neely is still bother by his injury,\n>>I think the most important reason is:\n>>\n>>        ADAM GRAVES HAS PLAYED CLEAN HOCKEY EVER SINCE!  WHILE ULF SAMULESSON\n>>        CONTINUES TO PLAY DIRTY(YES, TRYING TO HIT A PLAYER WHERE HE'S INJURED\n>>        IS DIRTY).  FANS HAVE CAN FORGET ABOUT ONE DIRTY PLAY BUT HOW CAN YOU\n>>        FORGET ABOUT ULF SAMULESSON WHEN EVERYNIGHT, WHEN I WATCH HOCKEY HIGH\n>>        LIGHTS, I GET REMINDED OF HOW DIRTY HE IS.\n\n>Hitting a player when he's injured is dirty?  Can you explain this statement?\n>Do you mean a player who was just injured on the ice(?) or do you mean a player\n>who is playing hurt.  If a player is hurt he should not bother playing because\n>I don't belive ANY PLAYER should be let up on just because they are playing\n>hurt.\n\n>I'm not an Ulf fan but at least I can spot the fact he is like Calgary's\n>Theoren Fleury in the respect that part of his game is to really piss other\n>players off as that's part of his job (But he lacks Ulf's size!).\n\nI AM an Ulf (and Pgh) fan, and what pisses me off about the whole Adam Graves\/\nUlf Samuesson debate is that Ulf plays hard-hitting hockey (nothing wrong with \nthat) while Graves does what he does when the only way to win a game is to \nintentionally hurt someone (which bites!).\n\n>Players that REALLY piss me off are the ones who insist on hitting from behind\n>or try to go for the knees to injure the players.  This kind of garbage has\n>got to go (I would really like to see Muni get pasted as he is one of the\n>worst offenders).\n\nI thought they had instituted all kinds of new rules this season to stop crap \nlike that?!?  Is it just me, or does the officiating just still stink to high\nheaven?  IMHO, if they could get rid of the existing refs, and institute a new\nsystem with more than one ref on the ice to keep an eye on the trouble-makers\nthen a lot of these things would stop, and then the game would be ruled by the\nfinnesse players:  Mario, Selanne, Bure, Messier, et.al...\n\n>Just my $0.02.\n\n> Colin Layfield            | \"Religion and Sex are power plays,\n>                           |  Manipulate the people for the money they pay,\n> The University of Calgary |  Selling Skin, Selling God\n> Computer Science          |  The numbers look the same on their CREDIT CARDS!\"\n> layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca |                          - Queensryche\n\n\nTim Drozinski\nEmbry-Riddle Aero. Univ.\ndrozinst@erau.db.erau.edu\n\n","1917":"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)\nSubject: Re: no-Free man propaganda machine: Freeman, with blood greetings from Israel\nNntp-Posting-Host: supergas\nReply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Electronics\nLines: 31\n\n\nIn article <1qev18INNnk7@early-bird.think.com>, shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr13.142902.14479@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU  writes:\n\n>|> As for israelis, Menahim Begal Begin and Yitzhak Shakh Shamir were leaders\n>                            ^^^^^                   ^^^^^\n>Cute, real cute.  Now can you please stop being childish and get on\n>with the issues?\n>\n>|> of many of these gangs that massacred Palestineans and became the\n>|> HEROS of israel and its Prime ministers. Oh sorry I forgot Ben Gurion,\n>|> too. I hope he is enjoying his coffin . Now, if israelis donot support\n>|> (which i doubt) the oppression and killing from 1930's-now, \n\nYou probably mean the mass murders of Jews in the West Bank between 1936-1939. \n\n\n\n>|> Hasan\n\n>Shai Guday\n\n\nNaftaly\n\n\n----\nNaftaly Stramer \t\t\t | Intergraph Electronics\nInternet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com      | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A    \nVoice: (303)581-2370  FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301\n\"Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can.\"\n","1918":"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: Gospel Dating\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 16\n\nKeith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote:\n: \n: \tWild and fanciful claims require greater evidence. If you state that \n: one of the books in your room is blue, I certainly do not need as much \n: evidence to believe than if you were to claim that there is a two headed \n: leapard in your bed. [ and I don't mean a male lover in a leotard! ]\n\nKeith, \n\nIf the issue is, \"What is Truth\" then the consequences of whatever\nproposition argued is irrelevent. If the issue is, \"What are the consequences\nif such and such -is- True\", then Truth is irrelevent. Which is it to\nbe?\n\n\nBill\n","1919":"From: wein1@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (david weinberg)\nSubject: Re: Octopus in Detroit?\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin TX\n The tradition of the octopus started back in the 1950s. It was tradition to toss an octopus out on the ice during the first play-off games because you needed eight wins for Stanely Cup.  Today people toss octupi anytime it gets near the   play-offs.\nLines: 3\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.cc.utexas.edu\n\nDavid\n\n\n","1920":"Subject: Travesty at the Joe Louis\nFrom: caldwell8102@mtroyal.ab.ca\nOrganization: Mount Royal College, Calgary, Alberta\nLines: 17\n\n(Detroit, April 19)\n\nIn a development that shocked most knowledgable observers, the Detroit Redwings\nscored no less than six goals against the best goaltender in the world en\nroute to a 6-3 win over the best team in the NHL, the Toronto Maple Leafs. \n\nThe Leafs could not be faulted, as they completely dominated the inferior\nDetroit squad and clearly deserved to win. Only the biased officiating of\nAndy Van Hellemond and the idiots that insisted upon throwing an octopus on\nthe ice at every stoppage in an obvious attempt to distract the superior \nvisiting side prevented an all-out massacre of the Wings by the league's best \nteam. \n\n       \t\t\t\t\t\t\t    Alan\n\nP.S. This is sweet, Roger. So sweet. I look forward to the next installment on\nWednesday night. I trust you do, too. \n","1921":"From: gregg@netcom.com (gregg weber)\nSubject: What inexpensive monochrome X station can you recommend?\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 10\n\nCan someone recommend an inexpensive 19\" monochrome X station, that\nis not PC software emulation based? Please tell me manufacturer,\nmodel, price and any other significant specs. Thanks.\n\n-- \n================================================================\nGregg Weber\t\tLet it be, open and bright like the sky,\ngregg@netcom.com\tWithout taking sides, with no clouds of concepts.\n(510) 283-6264\t\t- kun-mkhyen klong-chen-pa\n================================================================\n","1922":"From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: WACO: Clinton press conference, part 1\nNntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu\nOrganization: University of Texas at San Antonio\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <feustelC5tw49.7p5@netcom.com> feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) writes:\n>I predict that the outcome of the study of what went wrong with the\n>Federal Assault in Waco will result in future assaults of that type\n>being conducted as full-scale military operations with explicit\n>shoot-to-kill directives.\n\nYou mean they aren't already? Could have fooled me.\n\n\n-- \n                            REMEMBER WACO!\n     Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you?\n[Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.]\n","1923":"From: myers@cs.scarolina.edu (Daniel Myers)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: USC  Department of Computer Science\nLines: 39\n\nFrequently of late, I have been reacting to something added to\nrestaurant foods.  What happens is that the inside of my throat starts\nto feel \"puffy\", like I have a cold, and also at times the inside of my\nmouth (especially the tongue) and lips also feel puffy.\n\nThe situations around these symptoms almost always involve restaurants\n(usually chinese), the most notable cases:  a cheap chinese fast food\nchain, a japanese steak house (I had the steak), and another chinese\nfast food chain where I SAW the cook put about a tablespoon or two of\nwhat looked like sugar or salt into my fried rice.\n\nI am under the impression that MSG \"enhances\" flavor by causing the\ntaste buds to swell.  If this is correct, I do not find it unreasonable\nto assume that high doses of MSG can cause other mouth tissues to swell.\n\nAlso, as the many of the occurances (including two of the above)\ninvolved beef, and as beef is frequently tenderized with MSG, this is\nwhat I suspect as being the cause.\n\nI wouldn't be at all surprised if toxicity studies of MSG in animals\nshowed it as being harmless, as it would be very startling to hear a lab\nrat or rhesus monkey complain about their throats feeling funny.\n\nAnyone who wishes to explain how the majority of food additives are\ntotally harmless is welcome to e-mail me with the results of any studied\nthey know of.  I will probably respond to them however with a reminder\nof how long it took to prove that smoking causes cancer (which the\ntobacco companies still deny).\n\n- DM\n\n(If I sound grumpy, it's because I had beef with broccoli for lunch\ntoday, and now it hurts to swallow)\n\n--\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDan Myers (Madman)\t\t| If the creator had intended us to walk \nmyers@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu\t| upright, he wouldn't have given us knuckles\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1924":"From: bluelobster+@cmu.edu (David O Hunt)\nSubject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God?\nOrganization: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 24\n\nOn 23-Apr-93 in Serbian genocide Work of God?\nuser James Sledd@ssdc.sas.upe writes:\n>Are the governments of the United States and Europe not moving\n>to end the ethnic cleansing by the Serbs because the targets are\n>muslims?\n\nBingo - that and there's no oil there.\n\nOn 23-Apr-93 in Serbian genocide Work of God?\nuser James Sledd@ssdc.sas.upe writes:\n>Are the Serbs doing the work of God?  Hmm...\n\nIf this is the \"work of god\" then I'm doubly glad that I don't worship him.\n\n\n\nDavid Hunt - Graduate Slave |     My mind is my own.      | Towards both a\nMechanical Engineering      | So are my ideas & opinions. | Palestinian and\nCarnegie Mellon University  | <<<Use Golden Rule v2.0>>>  | Jewish homeland!\n====T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D=========T=H=E=R=E===I=S===N=O===G=O=D=====\nEmail:  bluelobster+@cmu.edu    Working towards my \"Piled Higher and Deeper\"\n\nIt will be a great day when scientists and engineers have all the R&D money\nthey need and religions have to beg for money to pay the priest.\n","1925":"From: stgprao@st.unocal.COM (Richard Ottolini)\nSubject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???\nOrganization: Unocal Corporation\nLines: 5\n\nThey need a hit software product to encourage software sales of the product,\ni.e. the Pong, Pacman, VisiCalc, dBase, or Pagemaker of multi-media.\nThere are some multi-media and digital television products out there already,\nalbeit, not as capable as 3DO's.  But are there compelling reasons to buy\nsuch yet?  Perhaps someone in this news group will write that hit software :-)\n","1926":"From: jroberts@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Robertson)\nSubject: ATI ultra pro Drivers?\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 4\n\nDoes anybody know the FTP site with the latest Windows drivers for the ATI\nGUP?\nThanks\n\n","1927":"From: lancer@oconnor.WPI.EDU (Stephe Lewis Foskett)\nSubject: How do DI boxes work?\nOrganization: ZikZak Corporation\nLines: 19\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: oconnor.wpi.edu\n\n\nI'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct\nInput boxes for the keyboards.  These are the little boxes that take a\nline level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run\nto the mixer.  Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going\nto need like 5 or 10 of them!  I looked inside one (belonging to\nanother band) and it looks like just a transformer.  Does anyone have\nany plans for building them?  Perhaps in Anderton's \"Electronic\nProjects for Musicians\" book (which I am having a hell of a time\ntracking down...)?\n\nThanks a lot!\n\n.s.\n\nPS: Post or email.  I read this group...\n--\n- lancer@wpi.wpi.edu -                    - 0{{  MoDiMiDoFrSaSo: -\n-   Mein Kopf ist ein Labyrinth, mein Leben ist ein Minenfeld    -\n","1928":"From: djmst19@unixd2.cis.pitt.edu (David J Madura)\nSubject: Re: Rumours about 3DO ???\nLines: 13\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3\n\ndave@optimla.aimla.com (Dave Ziedman) writes:\n\n: 3DO is still a concept.\n: The software is what sells and what will determine its\n: success.\n\n\nApparantly you dont keep up on the news.  3DO was shown\nat CES to developers and others at private showings.  Over\n300 software licensees currently developing software for it.\n\nI would say that it is a *LOT* more than just a concept.\n\n","1929":"From: bts@rock.concert.net (Bruce T Smith -- Personal Account)\nSubject: Disappearing hard drive in LC?\nOrganization: CONCERT-CONNECT -- Public Access UNIX\nLines: 31\n\nThe internal HD in my LC disappeared for a day last week, and I'd like to\nhear any (reasonable) theories folks can suggest for what happened.\n\nIt is an LC, with 10MB of RAM and an 80MB internal drive, running system\n7.1, with a few SCSI devices in a (so far as I know) properly terminated\nchain.\n\nI had shut down the system for a day-- I was out of town and we sometimes\nhave thunderstorms this time of year-- and upon restarting got a blinking\nquestion mark.  I booted from a floppy and saw that my external HD seemed\nokay, but there was no sign of the internal.\n\nI installed a system folder on the external and was, indeed, able to boot\nfrom it.  I tried things like Disk First Aid and Silverlining, to inquire\nabout the internal drive.  They either could not find it or got errors in\ntrying to talk to it. (Silverlining claimed it was a Connor drive, but it\nis a Quantum... )\n\nWell, I'd backed things up, so I was able to work.  But, at some point I\nnoticed that the internal had reappeared.  Now, Disk First Aid says that\nall's well, etc.  Things seem to be fine.\n\nBut, what happened?  Was this a warning that something (the internal HD\nor something else) is about to die?  I'm definitely nervous.\n\nAnd, if this is a signal that the internal HD is sick, is it true that I\ncan only put up to a 127MB drive inside an LC?  Some folks have claimed\nthere's a limitation in the LC (other'n size or power) while others (and\nthat includes LaCie, over the phone) say anything that fits is okay.\n\nThanks for answers.\n","1930":"From: thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson)\nSubject: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list?\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nDistribution: usa\nExpires: April 30, 1993\nLines: 102\n\n\nIn article <C5JCCG.3Bn@tsoft.net> you write:\n>[stuff deleted]\n>\n>My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for\n ^^^^^^^^^^\n>one time use by the major software companies.  The method you are using to\n>\"seed\" your junk mail, isn't really effective.  Bulk mailers regulary \n>either send their databases to be \"cleaned\" by the NCOA, which if you've\n>moved recently, will revert back to the original \"xxx Cool\", and in large\n>mailings, there will likely be a dupe of you, and they'll pick the first, and use the\n>others for future mailings.\n> \n>BTW, our list is currently one of the hottest lists for actual buyers of\n>a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through\n                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name.  Please let your direct mail\n                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^   !!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  \n>marketing rep. know about this..  Thanks.\n>               !!!! !!!!! !!!!                                             \n>TEd\n\nIt is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to\nuse the net to directly advertise their products.\n\nIn addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list\nused for generating junk mail.  \n\nAm I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be \ndone to penalize such an improper use?\n\nDale Thompson\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","1931":"From: pjtier01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu\nSubject: Re: Montreal Question.......\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvx.louisville.edu\nOrganization: University of Louisville\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.015442.15723@oz.plymouth.edu>, k_mullin@oz.plymouth.edu (Mully) writes:\n>    What position does Mike Lansing play?  I cannot seem to find it \n>  anywhere.  Thanks!!!!1\n\nCurrently, he's all over.  He played 2nd when Deshields was out.  He was\nshifted to third when Delino came back.  And today, he played SS for a cold\nWil Cordero.  \n\nHis natural positions seem to be in the middle infield, but they will seemingly\nfind a spot for himm somewhere as long as his bat is hot.\n\n                                                                  P. Tierney\n","1932":"From: khiet@crystallizer.ecn.purdue.edu (Peter Thanh Khiet Vu)\nSubject: WANTED:  FUTON\nKeywords: WANTED:  FUTON\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nLines: 5\n\n I am looking for a large futon and frame.\n\ncall Peter 495-2056\nor e-mail me \"khiet@cn.ecn\"\n\n","1933":"From: husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Stephen R. Husak )\nSubject: Re: Another happy Gateway owner\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 20\n\npastor@vfl.paramax.com (Jon Pastor) writes:\n\n>Which they do in the vast majority of cases.  Remember that it's only the\n>people on the tails of the curve who are motivated to write -- the ones who\n>love it, and the ones who hate it.  You don't hear from the folks in the\n>middle very often...\n\n>They have rough edges, no doubt about it; but they give good value per dollar,\n>and use almost all top-quality components.  \n\nI am one of those middle-of-the-road GW2000 owners who is satisfied with\nmy system. I had my share of problems\/corrections\/phone conversations\/etc. I'm\nsatisfied on what I got for my money.\n\nStephen R. Husak \n-- \n\"What am I trying to do, what am I trying to say, I'm not trying to tell you \n anything you didn't know when you woke up today...\"\n\t\t\t\t- Depeche Mode \"Nothing\" MUSIC FOR THE MASSES\n-= Stephen R. Husak - husak@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu - Univerisity of Illinois\n","1934":"From: lwb@cs.utexas.edu (Lance W. Bledsoe)\nSubject: Re: Threatening Gun Owners\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 47\nNNTP-Posting-Host: im4u.cs.utexas.edu\n\nIn article <7178@blue.cis.pitt.edu> gswst@cislabs.pitt.edu (Gary S. Wachs) writes:\n>\n>Hello,\n>\n>I'm writing a story on the future of Gun Control.  There are a\n>few points I would welcome your opinion on.  It's wonderful having a\n>resource like this newsgroup to take advantage of and I thank you in advance\n>for your feedback!\n>\n>1. What do you believe are the most serious threats to gun-owners in the\n>future?  \n\t* The Government\n\t* Liberals\n\t* BATF, FBI, DEA, etc.  (see #1)\n\n>2. Are you concerned that the 2nd ammendment could be reinterpreted to\n>apply to the armed forces only, barring civilians from owning arms of\n>any kind?\n\tWell...\n\t\tcontributions == taxes\n\t\tabortion == elimination of fetal tissue\n\t\tClinton == president\n\t\tfaggot == spouse\n\tIt could happen...\n\n>3. If you did have control over what types of arms people would be allowed\n>to buy, which types would you feel compelled to restrict to military\n>uses only (ie. bazooka, M16, grenade, atomic bomb, etc.)\n\tHydrogen Bomb, perhaps.\n\t\n>4. Would you describe HCI and all other gun control activists as being\n>determined to make it illegal for a civilian to own or use a firearm?\n\tYep.\n\n>5. Have you personally read the Brady Bill in its entirety?\n\tYep.\n\n>Thank again,\n>\n>Gary\n\n\n-- \n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n|  Lance W. Bledsoe        lwb@im4u.cs.utexas.edu        (512) 258-0112  |\n|  \"Ye shall know the TRUTH, and the TRUTH shall make you free.\"         |\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n","1935":"From: adrian@ora.COM (Adrian Nye)\nSubject: widgets vs. gadgets\nOrganization: O'Reilly and Associates, Inc.\nLines: 15\nReply-To: adrian@ora.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\n\n> I've been using the XmGraph widget that's been floating around and I\n> noticed the performance is significantly better using Gadgets, perhaps\n> even 100% faster.  I had heard in an old programming course that gadgets\n> were no longer any benefit to performance, and that it's just as well\n> to use widgets everywhere. \n\nInteresting, I'd like to know why.\n\nBut try it again on a single ethernet with 100 X terminals on it,\nand I think you'll find it much slower.\n\nAdrian Nye\nO'Reilly and Associates\n","1936":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 50\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nbobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:\n\n>>I think that about 70% (or so) people approve of the\n>>death penalty, even realizing all of its shortcomings.  Doesn't this make\n>>it reasonable?  Or are *you* the sole judge of reasonability?\n>Aside from revenge, what merits do you find in capital punishment?\n\nAre we talking about me, or the majority of the people that support it?\nAnyway, I think that \"revenge\" or \"fairness\" is why most people are in\nfavor of the punishment.  If a murderer is going to be punished, people\nthat think that he should \"get what he deserves.\"  Most people wouldn't\nthink it would be fair for the murderer to live, while his victim died.\n\n>Revenge?  Petty and pathetic.\n\nPerhaps you think that it is petty and pathetic, but your views are in the\nminority.\n\n>We have a local televised hot topic talk show that very recently\n>did a segment on capital punishment.  Each and every advocate of\n>the use of this portion of our system of \"jurisprudence\" cited the\n>main reason for supporting it:  \"That bastard deserved it\".  True\n>human compassion, forgiveness, and sympathy.\n\nWhere are we required to have compassion, forgiveness, and sympathy?  If\nsomeone wrongs me, I will take great lengths to make sure that his advantage\nis removed, or a similar situation is forced upon him.  If someone kills\nanother, then we can apply the golden rule and kill this person in turn.\nIs not our entire moral system based on such a concept?\n\nOr, are you stating that human life is sacred, somehow, and that it should\nnever be violated?  This would sound like some sort of religious view.\n \n>>I mean, how reasonable is imprisonment, really, when you think about it?\n>>Sure, the person could be released if found innocent, but you still\n>>can't undo the imiprisonment that was served.  Perhaps we shouldn't\n>>imprision people if we could watch them closely instead.  The cost would\n>>probably be similar, especially if we just implanted some sort of\n>>electronic device.\n>Would you rather be alive in prison or dead in the chair?  \n\nOnce a criminal has committed a murder, his desires are irrelevant.\n\nAnd, you still have not answered my question.  If you are concerned about\nthe death penalty due to the possibility of the execution of an innocent,\nthen why isn't this same concern shared with imprisonment.  Shouldn't we,\nby your logic, administer as minimum as punishment as possible, to avoid\nviolating the liberty or happiness of an innocent person?\n\nkeith\n","1937":"From: peter@memex.co.uk (Peter Ilieve)\nSubject: Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow\nOrganization: Memex Information Systems Ltd, East Kilbrde, Scotland\nLines: 70\n\nExcerpts from the Clipper announcement, with some questions:\n\n>     --   the ability of authorized officials to access telephone\n>          calls and data, under proper court or other legal\n>          order, when necessary to protect our citizens;\n\n>Q:   Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on\n>     a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation\n>     encrypted using the device.  What would they have to do to\n>     decipher the message?\n>\n>A:   They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a\n>     court order, to do the wiretap in the first place.  They\n>     would then present documentation of this authorization to\n>     the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and\n>     obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug\n>     smugglers.  The key is split into two parts, which are\n>     stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key\n>     escrow system.\n\nIn these two sections the phrases `or other legal order' and `normally a\ncourt order' imply there is some other way or ways of doing a legal\nwiretap. What is\/are these? How do they affect the way people who trust the\nsystem of court orders to protect them feel about this escrow system?\n\nThe second section shows the sequence of events.\nThe law enforcer, armed with his warrant, attaches his headphones to the\nline with his croc-clips (remember, these are the folk who couldn't cope\nwith digital telephony) and hears a load of modem-like tones (we are\ntalking analogue telephony here).\nWhat next? What modulation scheme do these Clipper boxes use?\nIs it possible to record the tones for use after the keys are obtained?\nI thought it was quite difficult to record a modem session at some\nintermediate point on the line. Maybe they have taken a crash course\nin data comms and have a unit that demodulates the tones and stores the\ndigital stream for decryption later. This would still suffer from the\nsame problems as trying to record the tones as the demodulator would not\nbe at one end of the line. If calls can't be recorded for decryption later\nit would be quite easy to foil the system by buying lots of Clipper units\n(these are supposed to be cheap mass market items) and using them in turn.\n\nHow tolerant is the modulation scheme to errors? These things are proposed\nfor use by US corporations to secure their foreign offices, where phone\nline quality may well be poor. It seems hard enough to me to get digitised\nspeech of any quality into something a modem can handle without having to\nadd lots of error correction to keep the decryption in sync.\n\n>Q:   Will the devices be exportable?  Will other devices that use\n>     the government hardware?\n>\n>A:   Voice encryption devices are subject to export control\n>     requirements.  ...  One of the\n>     attractions of this technology is the protection it can give\n>     to U.S. companies operating at home and abroad.  With this\n>     in mind, we expect export licenses will be granted on a\n>     case-by-case basis for U.S. companies seeking to use these\n>     devices to secure their own communications abroad.\n>     ...\n\nThis raises an intersting question in the UK. Here it is illegal to connect\nanything to a public telecomms network without it being approved by a body\ncalled BABT. It has been stated, either here or in the uk.telecom group,\nthat they will not approve equipment that does encryption. I don't know\nif this is true or not, but this would make a good test case.\nPerhaps `friendly' countries, and the UK may still qualify, will get\nto fish in the escrowed key pool as well.\n\n\n\t\tPeter Ilieve\t\tpeter@memex.co.uk\n\n","1938":"From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)\nSubject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM\nNntp-Posting-Host: florida.rchland.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM Rochester\nLines: 37\n\nIn article <dmatejkaC51DMB.LH6@netcom.com>, dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:\n|> In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:\n|> >       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.\n|> >       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982\n|> >\n|> >The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let\n|> >us know how it goes.\n|> >\n|>   Daniel Matejka writes:\n\n|>   Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen\n|> to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up\n|> and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.\n|>   The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing\n|> your speed.  Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an\n|> Oakland judge who convicted a speeder \"on the officer's testimony that\n|> the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed.\"\n\n*cough* *choke*  WHAT?!?  if a cop gave me a ticket for \"sounding\" like\ni was speeding i'd probably show up in court without a lawyer simply\nbecause \"sounding\" like speeding is ridiculous.  if i was found guilty\ni'd appeal and then show up with a lawyer.\n\nif a cop doesn't do one of:\n\nVASCAR (from car or plane)\nRADAR, LIDAR, other electronic speed measuring device\npace me\n\nand i'm within 15mph or so of the limit i'd go to court.  i can accept a\ncop \"seeing\" me going excessively fast (like 25+ over the limit) but\n\"he looked like he was going 70 or so in a 55 zone\" is not \"beyond a\nreasonable doubt\".  granted i may well lose the case but 70 in a 55 measured\nby eye???  take it to court for sure.\n\naxel\n\n","1939":"From: siegfried_r@spcvxb.spc.edu\nSubject: Re: More on ADL spying case\nOrganization: St. Peter's College, US\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <ARENS.93Apr13161407@grl.ISI.EDU>, arens@ISI.EDU (Yigal Arens)\n writes:\n> Los Angeles Times, Tuesday, April 13, 1993.  P. A1.\n> NEW DETAILS OF EXTENSIVE ADL SPY OPERATION EMERGE\n> SAN FRANCISCO -- To the outside world, Roy Bullock was a small-time\n> art dealer who operated from his house in the Castro District.  In\n> reality, he was an undercover spy who picked through garbage and\n> amassed secret files for the Anti-Defamation League for nearly 40\n> years.\n> ..... \n> The Anti-Defamation League, a self-described Jewish defense and civil\n> rights organization, acknowledges it has long collected information on\n> groups that are anti-Semitic, extremist or racist. The ADL's\n> fact-finding division, headed by Irwinn Suall in New York, enjoys a\n> reputation for thoroughness and has often shared its information with\n> police agencies and journalists. \n\n\tThere is something almost comical in the fact that Yigal Arens is \nimportant enough to have the ADL and G-d knows who else sifting through his \ngarbage (which happens to be legal; you throw it out, it ain't yours any more).\n\n\tThis brings to mind a few possibilities other than the ADL connection:\n\n\t- it is all in Arens' mind.\n\t- Bullock may have been working for Arens' friend in the PLO\n\t- Arens' father (or is it brother?) Moshe Arens (former Israeli Defense \nMinister) was spying on him.\n\t- Arens hired Bullock to spy on him to get attention.\n\n\tIn any case, who cares?\n\n\t\t\t\t\tRobert Siegfried\n\t\t\t\t\tComputer Science Dept.\n\t\t\t\t\tSaint Peter's College\n\t\t\t\t\tJersey City, NJ  07306\n\t\t\t\t\tsiegfried_r@spcvxa.spc.edu\n","1940":"From: jfw@ksr.com (John F. Woods)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Kendall Square Research Corp.\nLines: 20\n\njohnson@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Steve Johnson) writes:\n>>-Tim May, whose sig block may get him busted in the New Regime\n>  A remark I heard the other day is beginning to take on increasingly\n>frightening significance.  The comment was made that \"In other parts\n>of the world the Democrats [note the big \"D\"] would be known as\n>Socialists\" \n\nAnd in other parts of the world, European \"Socialists\" would be known as\nfascist capitalist pigs.  Get your head out of your labels and think carefully\nfor once:\n\nAccording to the EFF announcement on this thing, the NSA has been developing\nthis turkey for *four* years.  The manufacturing contract was let *14 months\nago*.  Anyone out there who believes that the fact that Clinton's name was\non this White House announcement means that Bush or any other Republican is\na staunch supporter of personal privacy is a fool.\n\nIf this topic disturbs you, can the political finger-pointing and talk about\nwhat you can do about it.  If you've just GOT to point fingers, remember that\nthis scheme was STARTED when a secret policeman was President.\n","1941":"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.024646.28396@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923336@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (BLORT! eeeep! Hwaaah.) writes:\n> \tWouldn't one expect more heterosexual men than gay men to be \n> promiscuous simply due to a larger group of potential partners?\n> \n> \tJust a thought.\n> \n> \t\t\t\t\t\t-Matt\n\nYou might -- except that gay men are MUCH more promiscuous than\nstraight men -- which shows how damaged and screwed up gay men are.\n\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n","1942":"From: as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Tree of Schnopia)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nNntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu\nOrganization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York\nLines: 33\n\nIn <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes:\n\n\n>>1) So what?\n\n>So there are less gays, then the gays claim.\n\n>>Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners....\n>>\n\n>I was wondering why I wasn't getting laid.\n\nYour bad English?  (See quote above.)\n\n\n>Actually, I bet you more gay\/bi men are as not as promiscuous as gay men, \n>because more of them could have the \"option\" of living a straight life, and \n>with social pressures, probably would at least try.\n\nYou'd lose that wager, if the supporting argument were part of it.\n\n>Did you know that is is a fact that homosexuality was comparatively high in \n>Hitler's storm troopers (SA) before he came to power.  I wonder if they got to \n>put the triangles on themselves......\n\nDid you know that Hitler himself was a devout Christian?  And heterosexual?\n\n--Drywid\n-- \n----bi    Andrew D. Simchik\t\t\t\t\tSCHNOPIA!\n\\ ----    as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu\t\t\t\tTreeWater\n \\\\  \/    \n   \\\/     \"Words Weren't Made For Cowards\"--Happy Rhodes\n","1943":"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: Bill Conner:\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 6\n\n\nCould you explain what any of this pertains to? Is this a position\nstatement on something or typing practice? And why are you using my\nname, do you think this relates to anything I've said and if so, what.\n\nBill\n","1944":"From: agrino@enkidu.mic.cl (Andres Grino Brandt)\nSubject: Studies on Book of Mormon\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Orden del Lobo Estepario\nReply-To: agrino@enkidu.mic.cl\nLines: 20\n\nHi!\n\nI don't know much about Mormons, and I want to know about serious independent\nstudies about the Book of Mormon.\n\nI don't buy the 'official' story about the gold original taken to heaven,\nbut haven't read the Book of Mormon by myself (I have to much work learning\nBiblical Hebrew), I will appreciate any comment about the results of study\nin style, vocabulary, place-names, internal consistency, and so on.\n\nFor example: There is evidence for one-writer or multiple writers?\nThere are some mention about events, places, or historical persons later\ndiscovered by archeologist?\n\nYours in Collen\n\nAndres Grino Brandt               Casilla 14801 - Santiago 21\nagrino@enkidu.mic.cl                        Chile\n\nNo hay mas realidad que la realidad, y la razon es su profeta\n","1945":"From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)\nSubject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.065731.23557@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:\n\n     [riveting BMWMOA election soap-opera details deleted]\n\n>Well, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of alternative candidates.\n>Obviously you're not voting for Mr. Vechorik, but what about the\n>others?\n\nI'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.\n\nRide safe,\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |\n|                                                                          |\n|               This bike is in excellent condition.                       |\n|               I've done all the work on it myself.                       |\n|                                                                          |\n|                     -- Glen \"CRASH\" Stone                                |\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1946":"From: gilham@csl.sri.com (Fred Gilham)\nSubject: Poem\nOrganization: Computer Science Lab, SRI International, Menlo Park, CA.\nLines: 145\n\n\n          The Sophomore\n          (Romans 1:22)\n\nThe sophomore says, ``What is truth?''\nand turns to bask in the admiration of his peers.\n\nHow modern how daring how liberating\nHow modern how daring how liberating\nthey chant\n\nThe sophomore, being American\nDoesn't know\nThat his ``question''\n\n   modern\n       skeptical\n           cynical\n\nWas asked before, by a\n\n   modern\n       skeptical\n           cynical\n   urbane cosmopolitan\n\nPolitician (appointed not elected)\nWho happened to live two thousand years ago.\n\nLike many politicians he cared\n\n    Less about ideals\n         than results\n\n    Less about ends\n         than means\n\n    Less about anything\n         than keeping his job\n              (and his head).\n\nWe might call him\nA bit brutal\nThough `firm' would be kinder\n(And no doubt Stalin, who let nobody go, laughed at his laxness)\nHe didn't like his job; perhaps he no longer hoped for better\n(Nor feared worse, except regarding his head).\n\nAnd when these wily Jews\nWith their heads-I-win, tails-you-lose\n     conundrums\nBrought forth their madman,\nHis first impulse was to play the Roman:\n``I find nothing wrong with him,\n  See to it yourselves.''\n\nBut when they mentioned `King' and `Caesar'\nHis heart froze.\n\nIf he killed their madman\n    He'd start a riot\n         and lose his job\n             (and his head)\n\nIf he saved the King of the Jews\n    He'd piss off Caesar\n         and lose his job\n             (and his head)\n\nAnd when his wife told him to have\n   Nothing to do with the righteous lout\nShe didn't tell him anything\n   He hadn't already figured out.\n\nSo he punted.\n\n``Not my jurisdiction!  Take him to see Herod!''\n(who just happened to be in town....)\n\nHerod appreciated the courtesy\nBut wasn't worried\n        And sent the sharp-tongued fool\n     (Who suddenly didn't have much to say,\n    funny how people lose it under pressure....)\n  back\nIn the attire proper\n  to his Royal State.\n\nHis ass is covered---if Herod has no problem,\nCaesar certainly won't.  The fool can be king\nof whatever world he wants\nas long as it's not Caesar's.\n\n``I'm letting him go,'' he said with a shout.\n(Looks like he'll last this one out....)\n\nThe crowd's reaction puzzled him.\n  They really wanted him dead.\nThey didn't want the King of the Jews,\n  They wanted Barabbas instead\n(And, as Josephus records, they got him)\n\nOh well, he thought,\nThey all look the same to me.\nAnd we'll get Barabbas next time.\n\nAnd if I can get them to say\n   ``We have no king but Caesar!''\n   By killing a madman,\nHell, I'll kill ten a day.\n\nAnd then Pilate had his fun\n  A little joke\n    Short\n      To the point\n        Trilingual\n\nAnd all this\nWent as it always does\nWhen someone gets caught\nIn the gears of government\n\nAnd there's a scientific explanation\n     (no doubt)\nFor the superstitious rumors\n     (persisting to this day)\nThat it didn't all end\nWith a tomb\nand a Roman squadron on guard.\n\nOur sophomore doesn't know about this\nHe doesn't recognize his kindred spirit\n(Or truth either, as he admits).\n\nI guess we haven't learned much\nin two thousand years.\n\n\n\n\n--\n-Fred Gilham    gilham@csl.sri.com\n\"Peace is only better than war when it's not hell too.  War being hell\nmakes sense.\"\n               -Walker Percy, THE SECOND COMING\n","1947":"From: toml@boulder.parcplace.com (Tom LaStrange)\nSubject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window\nOrganization: ParcPlace Boulder\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <C5xxq0.18M@cs.columbia.edu> ethan@cs.columbia.edu (Ethan Solomita) writes:\n>In article <BADING.93Apr23105229@athene.cs.tu-berlin.de> bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading) writes:\n>>\n>>I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for\n>>the border of a window or for the \"user\" window. Maybe other window managers\n>>have similar options.\n>>Another way to figure out the difference between the \"user\" window position\n>>and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their\n>>positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager\n>>decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only\n>>figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped\n>>this way.\n>>\n>\tAnother way would be to use GetGeometry to find out where\n>you are relative to the frame, and TranslateCoordinates to find\n>out where your window's upperleft corner really is.\n\n\nAs I've said before, there's no reliable way to find out the size of\nthe window manager decoration.  If your window has been reparented, you\ncan't assume that the window you're parented to is the window that\nholds all of the window manager decoration.  There may be several\nlayers of windows.  Doing multiple XQueryTree's until you get to the\nroot will work in most cases, but there's no guarantee that the outside\ndecoration window is parented to the root window of the display (tvtwm).\n\n--\nTom LaStrange        toml@boulder.ParcPlace.COM\n\n","1948":"From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)\nSubject: Re: Camping question?\nNntp-Posting-Host: bmdhh299\nOrganization: BNR Europe Ltd, Maidenhead, UK\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 46\n\nSanjay Sinha, on the 12 Apr 93 00:23:19 GMT wibbled:\n\n: Thanks to everyone who posted in my previous quest for camping info..\n\n: Another question. \n: Well, not strictly r.m. stuff\n\n: I am looking for a thermos\/flask to keep coffee hot. I mean real\n: hot! Of course it must be the unbreakable type. So far, what ever\n: metal type I have wasted money on has not matched the vacuum\/glass \n: type.\n\n: Any info appreciated.\n\n: Sanjay\n\n\nBack in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up\nwater from a 12V source.  It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my\nRD350B.  It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs \nabove 7000.  Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.\n\nIt made for interesting cups of coffee, anyhow.  We would plot routes that\ncontained straights of over three miles so that we had sufficient time to\nget the water to boiling point.  This is sometimes difficult in England.\n\nGood luck on your quest.\n--\n\nNick (the Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford\n\nM'Lud.\n\n  ___\t___   ___   ___\n {\"_\"} {\"_\"} {\"_\"} {\"_\"}\t  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.\n  ' `\t` '   ' `   ` '\t\t  Currently incarcerated at BNR,\n  ___\t___   ___   ___\t\t  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.\n |\"_\"| |\"_\"| |\"_\"| |\"_\"|\t  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS \"Kay\"\n  ` '\t' `   ` '   ' `\t\t  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002\n\t    .\n   _ _\t\t_  __ .\n  \/ ~ ~~\\   |  \/ ~~  \\\n |_______|    [_______|\n\t   _:_\n\t  |___|\n\n","1949":"From: robertsa@unix2.tcd.ie (Andrew L. Roberts)\nSubject: What does the .bmp format mean?\nNntp-Posting-Host: unix2.tcd.ie\nOrganization: Trinity College, Dublin\nLines: 7\n\nWhat exactly does the windows bitmap format look like? I mean, how is\nthe data stored: width, height, no. of colours, bitmap data? I couldn't\nfind anything in ths user manual, is there any other reference material\nwhich would give me this information?\n\nThanks,\nAndrew\n","1950":"From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Your typical phone company involved in your typical daydream\nDistribution: na\nIn-Reply-To: brad@clarinet.com's message of 17 Apr 93 06:13:26 GMT\n\t<1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com>\nNntp-Posting-Host: rainier.ho.att.com\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.061326.16130@clarinet.com> brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:\n   Once it hits land you can record it if you have telco access.  The\n   telco isn't supposed to give that without a warrant.  That's the rule today.\n\n   But even so, the evidence would not be admissible, I think, unless the\n   judge so ordered.  I think that even interception of the crypttext\n   without a warrant would be illegal.   Cops can't record today's plain\n   cellular calls and then ask a judge, \"Hey, can we have permission to\n   listen to those tapes?\" can they?\n\nHow long do you think it will be before it becomes legal for the\npolice to record encrypted conversations \"It's not violating your\nprivacy because we can't read the encryption without a warrant\", with the usual\ngood-faith exception if they accidentally record a non-encrypted conversation.\n\nBesides, it's covered by the Drug Exception to the Fourth Amendment...\n--\n#\t\t\t\tPray for peace;      Bill\n# Bill Stewart 1-908-949-0705 wcs@anchor.att.com AT&T Bell Labs 4M312 Holmdel NJ\n#\t              No, I'm *from* New Jersey, I only *work* in cyberspace....\n# White House Commect Line 1-202-456-1111  fax 1-202-456-2461\n","1951":"From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)\nSubject: Re: Xsun not running on SPARCclassic\nOrganization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.\nLines: 24\n\nherzog@dogwalk.Eng.Sun.COM (Brian Herzog - SunSoft Product Engineering) writes:\n\n>I'm just guessing here, but I'd guess that X11R5 expects the CG3 to have\n>1152x900 resolution, and the version of the CG3 in the SPARCclassic is \n>1024x768.\n\nI've used X11R5 with classics set for both 1024x768 and 1152x900 (you\ncan choose which resolution you want in the PROM monitor before\nbooting).  One person had trouble with X11R5 that was fixed by\nusing the multi-screen version.  Here's how our version was built.\n(You can just copy \/usr\/local\/X11R5\/bin\/Xsun from farside.rutgers.edu\nif you just want to see whether this version will work.)\n\n  R5 distribution installed,\n        from pub\/R5\/mit-[1-4] and contrib-[1-3] on export.lcs.mit.edu\n  patches 1 - 23 installed,\n\tfrom pub\/R5\/fixes on export\n  R5 Xsun Multi-screen patches installed, \n\tfrom contrib\/R5.Xsun.multi-screen* on export, 22-Mar-93\n  Solaris 2.1 patches installed, release 1\/update 2,\n\tfrom contrib\/R5.SunOS5.patch* on export, 22-Mar-93\n\nCompilation is with gcc 2.3.3.  Configuration is standard, except that\nthe root is \/usr\/local\/X11R5, per Rutgers conventions.\n","1952":"Subject: Re: New Hudson 1929 questions\nFrom: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Robert Smits\nLines: 33\n\ndavide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:\n\n> Dave Tharp CDS (davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com) wrote:\n> : In article <kmR91B1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:\n> : >\n> : >One of their main designers, Bert Le Vack, broke many records at \n> : >Brooklands in the late '20's.\n> \n> :   In the early 20's Bert Le Vack set records on INDIANS, including\n> : 107.5 MPH at Brooklands in November of 1921, on a 61 in^3 Powerplus\n> : racing model.\n> \n> Must have been a busy lad, he was also a tuner and all round guru at JAP and \n> worked with George Brough.\n> \n> Can someone post me details of \"The illustrated Ecyclopedia of Motorcycles\", \n> sounds like a book I ought to have a copy of.\n> \n\n\nSure, I can. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Motorcycles, edited by Erwin \nTragatsch, was published by The Hamlyn Publishing Group Limited, \nAstronaut House, Hounslow Road, Feltham, Middlesex, England.\n\nIt was first published in 1977, and mine was reprinted in 1978. Cost then \nwas Pounds 5.95 in the UK, though I paid 18.50 for it in Canadian \ndollars. I have no idea whether it's still in print. Perhaps you could \nlet the net know.\n\nBob.\n\nRobert Smits Ladysmith BC  | If Lucas built weapons, wars\nemd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | would never start, either.\n","1953":"From: d2cheng@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Dominic Cheng)\nSubject: Re: Centris Cache & Bernoulli Box\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 7\n\nYou will need Driver ver 3.5.2 to work with Quadra\/Centris.  You can download\nit from iomega BBS: 1-801-778-4400\n\n--\n\nDominic Cheng (d2cheng@descartes.uwaterloo.ca)\nComputer Science, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada\n","1954":"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nSubject: Cryptography FAQ 03\/10 - Basic Cryptology\nOrganization: The Crypt Cabal\nLines: 187\nExpires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT\nReply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com\nSummary: Part 3 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Basic Cryptology.\n Definitions of basic terms. Beginner references. Cryptanalysis and\n theoretical\/practical strength of ciphers.\nX-Last-Updated: 1993\/04\/16\n\nArchive-name: cryptography-faq\/part03\nLast-modified: 1993\/4\/15\n\n\nFAQ for sci.crypt, part 3: Basic Cryptology\n\nThis is the third of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are\nmostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.\nWe don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.\nNotes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.\n\nThe sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu \nas \/pub\/usenet\/news.answers\/cryptography-faq\/part[xx].  The Cryptography \nFAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers \nevery 21 days.\n\n\n\nContents:\n\n* What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key?\n* What references can I start with to learn cryptology?\n* How does one go about cryptanalysis?\n* What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance?\n* What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem?\n* If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it\n  guaranteed analysis-proof in practice?\n* Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are\n  relatively easy to break?\n\n\n* What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key?\n\n  The story begins: When Julius Caesar sent messages to his trusted\n  acquaintances, he didn't trust the messengers. So he replaced every A\n  by a C, every B by a D, and so on through the alphabet. Only someone\n  who knew the ``shift by 2'' rule could decipher his messages.\n\n  A cryptosystem or cipher system is a method of disguising messages so\n  that only certain people can see through the disguise. Cryptography is\n  the art of creating and using cryptosystems. Cryptanalysis is the art\n  of breaking cryptosystems---seeing through the disguise even when\n  you're not supposed to be able to. Cryptology is the study of both\n  cryptography and cryptanalysis.\n\n  The original message is called a plaintext. The disguised message is\n  called a ciphertext. Encryption means any procedure to convert\n  plaintext into ciphertext. Decryption means any procedure to convert\n  ciphertext into plaintext.\n\n  A cryptosystem is usually a whole collection of algorithms. The\n  algorithms are labelled; the labels are called keys. For instance,\n  Caesar probably used ``shift by n'' encryption for several different\n  values of n. It's natural to say that n is the key here.\n\n  The people who are supposed to be able to see through the disguise are\n  called recipients. Other people are enemies, opponents, interlopers,\n  eavesdroppers, or third parties.\n\n* What references can I start with to learn cryptology?\n\n  For an introduction to technical matter, the survey articles given\n  in part 10 are the best place to begin as they are, in general,\n  concise, authored by competent people, and well written. However,\n  these articles are mostly concerned with cryptology as it has\n  developed in the last 50 years or so, and are more abstract and\n  mathematical than historical. The Codebreakers by Kahn [KAH67] is\n  encyclopedic in its history and technical detail of cryptology up\n  to the mid-60's.\n\n  Introductory cryptanalysis can be learned from Gaines [GAI44] or\n  Sinkov [SIN66]. This is recommended especially for people who want\n  to devise their own encryption algorithms since it is a common\n  mistake to try to make a system before knowing how to break one.\n\n  The selection of an algorithm for the DES drew the attention of\n  many public researchers to problems in cryptology. Consequently\n  several textbooks and books to serve as texts have appeared. The\n  book of Denning [DEN82] gives a good introduction to a broad range\n  of security including encryption algorithms, database security,\n  access control, and formal models of security. Similar comments\n  apply to the books of Price & Davies [PRI84] and Pfleeger [PFL89].\n\n  The books of Konheim [KON81] and Meyer & Matyas [MEY82] are quite\n  technical books. Both Konheim and Meyer were directly involved in\n  the development of DES, and both books give a thorough analysis of\n  DES. Konheim's book is quite mathematical, with detailed analyses\n  of many classical cryptosystems. Meyer and Matyas concentrate on\n  modern cryptographic methods, especially pertaining to key management\n  and the integration of security facilities into computer systems and\n  networks.\n\n  The books of Rueppel [RUE86] and Koblitz [KOB89] concentrate on\n  the application of number theory and algebra to cryptography.\n\n* How does one go about cryptanalysis?\n\n  Classical cryptanalysis involves an interesting combination of\n  analytical reasoning, application of mathematical tools, pattern\n  finding, patience, determination, and luck. The best available\n  textbooks on the subject are the Military Cryptanalytics series\n  [FRIE1]. It is clear that proficiency in cryptanalysis is, for\n  the most part, gained through the attempted solution of given\n  systems. Such experience is considered so valuable that some of the\n  cryptanalyses performed during WWII by the Allies are still\n  classified.\n\n  Modern public-key cryptanalysis may consist of factoring an integer,\n  or taking a discrete logarithm. These are not the traditional fare\n  of the cryptanalyst. Computational number theorists are some of the\n  most successful cryptanalysts against public key systems.\n\n* What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance?\n\n  In a nutshell: If f(x) = y and you know y and can compute f, you can\n  find x by trying every possible x. That's brute-force search.\n\n  Example: Say a cryptanalyst has found a plaintext and a corresponding\n  ciphertext, but doesn't know the key. He can simply try encrypting the\n  plaintext using each possible key, until the ciphertext matches---or\n  decrypting the ciphertext to match the plaintext, whichever is faster.\n  Every well-designed cryptosystem has such a large key space that this\n  brute-force search is impractical.\n    \n  Advances in technology sometimes change what is considered\n  practical. For example, DES, which has been in use for over 10 years\n  now, has 2^56, or about 10^17, possible keys. A computation with\n  this many operations was certainly unlikely for most users in the\n  mid-70's. The situation is very different today given the dramatic\n  decrease in cost per processor operation. Massively parallel\n  machines threaten the security of DES against brute force search.\n  Some scenarios are described by Garron and Outerbridge [GAR91].\n\n  One phase of a more sophisticated cryptanalysis may involve a\n  brute-force search of some manageably small space of possibilities.\n\n* What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem?\n\n  The security of a strong system resides with the secrecy of the key\n  rather than with an attempt to keep the algorithm itself secret.\n\n  A strong cryptosystem has a large keyspace, as mentioned above.  The\n  unicity distance is a measure which gives the minimum amount of\n  ciphertext that must be intercepted to uniquely identify the key and\n  if for some key, the unicity distance is much longer than the amount\n  of ciphertext you intend to encrypt under that key, the system is\n  probably strong.\n\n  A strong cryptosystem will certainly produce ciphertext which appears\n  random to all standard statistical tests (see, for example, [CAE90]).\n    \n  A strong cryptosystem will resist all known previous attacks. A\n  system which has never been subjected to scrutiny is suspect.\n\n  If a system passes all the tests mentioned above, is it necessarily\n  strong? Certainly not. Many weak cryptosystems looked good at first.\n  However, sometimes it is possible to show that a cryptosystem is\n  strong by mathematical proof. ``If Joe can break this system, then\n  he can also solve the well-known difficult problem of factoring\n  integers.'' See part 6.  Failing that, it's a crap shoot.\n\n* If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it\n  guaranteed analysis-proof in practice?\n\n  Cryptanalytic methods include what is known as ``practical\n  cryptanalysis'': the enemy doesn't have to just stare at your\n  ciphertext until he figures out the plaintext. For instance, he might\n  assume ``cribs''---stretches of probable plaintext. If the crib is\n  correct then he might be able to deduce the key and then decipher the\n  rest of the message. Or he might exploit ``isologs''---the same\n  plaintext enciphered in several cryptosystems or several keys. Thus\n  he might obtain solutions even when cryptanalytic theory says he\n  doesn't have a chance.\n\n  Sometimes, cryptosystems malfunction or are misused. The one-time pad,\n  for example, loses all security if it is used more than once! Even\n  chosen-plaintext attacks, where the enemy somehow feeds plaintext into\n  the encryptor until he can deduce the key, have been employed. See\n  [KAH67].\n  \n* Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are\n  relatively easy to break?\n\n  Some don't know any better. Often amateurs think they can design\n  secure systems, and are not aware of what an expert cryptanalyst\n  could do. And sometimes there is insufficient motivation for anybody\n  to invest the work needed to crack a system.\n","1955":"From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 5\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n  Agreed.  This is like the Bay of Pigs fiasco (planned by the Eisenhower\nAdministration but given the final green light by Kennedy).\n  To be sure, hen it all went down, Kennedy was at least man enough to take\nfull responsibility, which is not what I expect from Slick Willie Clinton....\n\n","1956":"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Cell Church discussion group\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 5\n\nThen by that definition, I would be in a cell church only here at IU,\nnot when the whole group gets together at Indianapolis (>950 every week\nin attendance).\n\nJoe Fisher\n","1957":"From: pmontan@nswc-wo.navy.mil (Paul Montanaro)\nSubject: Re: IIci -> Q700 upgrade?\nOrganization: NSWC\nLines: 44\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.164053.29298@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>,\ndudek@daeron.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (Gregory Dudek) wrote:\n> \n> In article <C5HA0x.11oq@austin.ibm.com> $LOGIN@austin.ibm.com writes:\n> >\n> >A while ago I posted a note asking for specs on the Quadra 700, and opinions on\n> >the Q700 upgrade of a IIci vs. an accelerator card.  So far no responsed that\n> >I've noticed.  Please let me know what you think of these possible upgrade\n> >paths:  Cost, efficiency, pros\/cons, etc.. Thanks!\n> \n>   Complete Q700 are best obtained from your dealer or some recent\n> copy of MacWorld or MacUser.  My foggy memory suggests that the most relevant\n> comparison factors vis-a-vis a IIci are as follows:\n> \n>   25 MHz 68040\n>   16 Mhz data path (don't recall this for sure, but it's slower\n>       than Q 950 style machines for sure).\n>   Ethertalk card on-board\n>   Audio in\/out\n>   4 MB RAM on motherboard\n>   4 SIMM slots\n>   2 NuBus slots.\n>   More flexible build-in video than the CI.  Uses VRAM.\n> \n> In comparison, a IIci with an accelerator won't give you\n>   audio or ethernet  or the same video options.\n>   With a 68040 accelerator, CPU performance can be comparable but I\n>   think it ends up costing more.\n> \n> Greg Dudek\n\n  Actually, an accelerator such as the Daystar 33 MHz 68040 is cheaper than\nupgrading to a Q700 (25 MHz).  The accelerator costs about $1400 whereas\nthe upgrade costs $2131 (just quoted from my dealer).  However the Q700\nupgrade gives you very fast built in video that supports monitors up to 21\"\nwith 8 bit depth and up to 16\" at 24 bit depth (with additional VRAM).  It\nalso has a SCSI port capable of a much faster throughput than the CI, which\nmakes a big difference if you have a fast hard drive.\n\n  If the improved video and SCSI features are important to you, you're\nbetter off getting the Q700 upgrade, otherwise save some money and get an\naccelerator.\n\nPaul\n","1958":"From: mike@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Michael Chapman)\nSubject: Re: 4-plane Xterminal (Do I want one?)\nKeywords: plane, Xterminal\nOrganization: ITC\/UVA Community Access UNIX\/Internet Project\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C63srv.57w@watserv1.uwaterloo.ca> chudel@watarts.uwaterloo.ca (Chris Hudel) writes:\n>\n>\n>PS: all R5 apps run on R4\/R3 servers,right?\n\nThe 4-bit server should work fine.  As far as I know, Xterminals\nrunning older versions can run the latest apps as long as the host \nmachine has the R5 libraries installed. I could be wrong though.\n-- \nmike@hopper.acs.virginia.edu \n\n\"I will NOT raise taxes on the middle class.\" -Unknown\n","1959":"From: jartsu@hut.fi (Jartsu)\nSubject: Good display card for 14\" multisync?\nNntp-Posting-Host: lk-hp-20.hut.fi\nReply-To: jartsu@vipunen.hut.fi\nOrganization: Helsinki University of Technology, Finland\nLines: 20\n\n\nHi there!\n\nI wonder if anyone knows and can recommend me a good NuBus display\ncard for driving a 14\" multisync (NEC 3D)?\nThe NEC 3D can do horizontal refresh from 15.5 kHz to 38 kHz and\nvertical from 50 Hz to 90 Hz and can do max 1024x768 interlaced,\nthough I am looking for something more like 800x600 or 832x624\nnoninterlaced.\nIt would be very nice to find a card which can be programmed quite\nfreely within these limits and is capable to display at least\n8bits\/pixel, preferably more.\n\nIs there anything on the market that comes even close?\n\n\nThanks\n\n--\nJartsu\n","1960":"From: ry01@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT YUNG)\nSubject: How long do monitors last????\nArticle-I.D.: ns1.1993Apr5.200422.65952\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 21\n\nWell, my 14inch VGA 1024x758-interlacing 2.5 year old no brand monitor just\nbit the bullet. I pressed the power switch and a few seconds later, the power\nlight went out with a POP. Gawd, it's only been two and half years.\n\nHow long would normal monitors last? I think the problem with my monitor is\nthe power switch... but the image was getting pretty dim anyway (I needed to\nhave my contrast all the way to the max...). And the screen did flicker from\ntime to time. Is this normal (hehehe) or do I just have the worst of luck???\n\nQuestion: What do I do now???? Buy a new one? Get it fixed? Save up for a\n*really* good one and get by with a cheap EGA monitor for now? I rather save\nmy money to upgrade my 386SX to 486-66 though...\n\nThanks!\n-- \n===============================================================================\nWhat engineers say:\n    Extensive effort is being applied on a fresh approach to the problem.\nWhat they *really* mean:\n    We just hired three new guys; we'll let them kick it around for a while.\n==================(Robert) Bobby Yung_____RY01@Lehigh.Edu======================\n","1961":"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)\nSubject: Re: Ban All Firearms !\nOrganization: Hand Held Products, Inc.\nLines: 34\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com> allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim)  \nwrites:\n> \n> papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod):\n> \n>    >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up?\n> \n>    Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide.\n>    No comparison.\n> \n> Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages.  Bottles of whiskey\n> are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs.  Barrels and\n> kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate.\n> Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of\n> booze into this country during the years of Prohibition.  There was a\n> demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it.\n\nI beleive this was the source of the Kennedy clan's money.\n> \n> So unless there's something I'm missing, I think your argument that guns\n> won't be smuggled because theyr'e more difficult to manufacture, smuggle\n> and hide won't wash.  If enough people want something, somebody will try\n> to supply it.\n> -- \n> Allan J. Heim   allanh@sco.COM   ...!uunet!sco!allanh   +1 408 427 7813\nJim\n--\njmd@handheld.com\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"I'm always rethinking that.  There's never been a day when I haven't rethought  \nthat.  But I can't do that by myself.\"  Bill Clinton  6 April 93\n\"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed  \nin my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!\"\nWILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777\n","1962":"From: jmeritt@mental.MITRE.ORG (Jim Meritt - System Admin)\nSubject: Identity crisis (God == Satan?)\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nII SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel,\nand he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah.\n\nI CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to\nnumber Israel.\n","1963":"From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David \"Fuzzy\" Wells)\nSubject: Re: Space Debris\nOrganization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.\nLines: 6\n\n>There is a guy in NASA Johnson Space Center  that might answer \n>your question. I do not have his name right now but if you follow \n>up I can dig that out for you.\n\nKeesler, Loftus, Potter, Stansbery, Kubriek....?\n\n","1964":"From: un026300@wvnvms.wvnet.edu\nSubject: Re: How to beat the Pens\nOrganization: West Virginia Network for Educational Telecomputing\nLines: 6\n\n\n\tYou can't.  But good luck trying.\n\n\tJim\n\n\n","1965":"From: icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera)\nSubject: ABC coverage\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA\nLines: 9\nOriginator: icop@csa\n\n\n\tI loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance\nwas excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard\nThorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave\nAl Micheals out of this. He annoys me. \n\tI'm hoping this leads to a regular-season contract. My guess would\nbe is that it will be roughly a weekly game from Feb.-April and then the \nplayoffs. I envy you Canadians with your TSN & CBC. Maybe I'll get a dish\nto pick up Canadian TV. How much are those things, BTW?\n","1966":"From: blast@nntp.crl.com (Tim Keanini)\nSubject: Mac SCSI spec?\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com\n\nI have a MacIIFX and I know that it is wired about its SCSI chain.\n\nI just bought a drive and I need to find out a few hardcore SCSI question:\n\nDoes the IIFX SCSI chain want to see active or passive termination?\n\nDoes the IIFX SCSI spec want me to enable the initiation of the SDTR message?\n\nWHat does the IIFX SCSI spec want as far as parity checking?\n\nThese are some very good questions for the FAQ.       \nIf someone does not have time to answer these questions but does know \nwhere I can look them up please let me know and I will repost the answers\nfor everyone to see.\n\nthanks,\n\nTim Keanini        <timk@broder.com>  or  <blast@crl.com>\nSound Engineer         Broderbund Software\n\n","1967":"From: anderge@stein.u.washington.edu (Geoff Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Fenway Gif\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <C5JB3D.9nt@umassd.edu> acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu writes:\n>I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif.\n>I would appreciate it if someone could send me one.\n>Thanks in advance.\n>\n>-Dan\n\nMe too!  I would like any park or action gif or jpeg about baseball.\n\nGeoff\n\n","1968":"From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC)\nSubject: Re: XWindows always opaque\nOrganization: NASA\/Goddard Space Flight Center\nLines: 57\nDistribution: comp\nNNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov\nKeywords: xwindow, parent-child relation\nOriginator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov\n\n\n\nIn article <hess.734959172@swt1>, hess@swt1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Hauke Hess) writes:\n|> Hi,\n|> \n|> I wonder if it is possible for a parent window to paint over the area of\n|> its childs. If it is not, then how could it be possible to implement a \n|> rubberband across multiple xwindows to select the objects that are\n|> displayed one in each window?\n|> \n|> Hauke\n|> \n\nIf you specify the rootwindow when you are creating your GC. You may \nuse Xlib to draw over multiple windows. \nI have an application that does something similar for rubber banding.\n\n curs_move = XCreateFontCursor (disp_data, XC_crosshair);\n\n geom_vals.foreground     = blck_pixl ^ grey_dark;\n geom_vals.plane_mask     = AllPlanes;\n geom_vals.line_width     = 0;\n geom_vals.function       = GXxor;\n geom_vals.subwindow_mode = IncludeInferiors;\n evnt_mask= GCForeground | GCPlaneMask | GCLineWidth | GCFunction\n                                                     | GCSubwindowMode;\n geom_gcon= XCreateGC (disp_data, root_iden, evnt_mask, &geom_vals);\n\n\n\nlater I can move the rubber band or bands using the following logic\n\n\/**********************************************************************\/\n void Tselect::move_bands (int delt_xloc, int delt_yloc)          \/****\/\nstuff deleted ...\n            XDrawRectangle (disp_data,   root_iden,  geom_gcon,\n                            sele_pntr->rootx, sele_pntr->rooty,\n                            sele_pntr->xlnth, sele_pntr->ylnth); undraw old one\n            sele_pntr->papax+= delt_xloc;\n            sele_pntr->papay+= delt_yloc;\n            sele_pntr->rootx+= delt_xloc;\n            sele_pntr->rooty+= delt_yloc;\n            XDrawRectangle (disp_data,   root_iden,  geom_gcon, \n                            sele_pntr->rootx, sele_pntr->rooty,\n                            sele_pntr->xlnth, sele_pntr->ylnth); draw new one\nmore stuff deleted\n  hope this helps\n\n\n-- \nBrian Dealy                |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at  \ndealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov   |            | that's important,it's knowing\n!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy   |            | where it's not at...  B.Dylan\n-- \nBrian Dealy                |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at  \ndealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov   |            | that's important,it's knowing\n!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy   |            | where it's not at...  B.Dylan\n","1969":"From: hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com (Jody Hagins)\nSubject: O's lose openr at home to Rangers\nReply-To: hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com\nOrganization: Data General Corporation, Linthicum, MD\nLines: 11\n\nSutcliffe gives up 3 HRs (Gonzales 1, Palmer 2) and Mills gives up\n1 HR (Gonzales) to lose 7-4.  Sutcliffe\n\nTexas     7 10  0 Lefferts 1-0\nBaltimore 4  9  0 Sutcliffe 0-1\n\n-- \nJody Hagins -- hagins@avlin8.us.dg.com\nData General Corporation, Linthicum, MD\n\n\n","1970":"From: jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nKeywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx\nOrganization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1qnupd$jpm@news.intercon.com> amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) writes:\n>jhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes:\n>> Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. \n>\n>Hey, it's better than the status quo.\n>\n>I am far less worried about \"the feds\" tapping my phone than high school \n>scanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and \n>cordless phone calls.\n>\n\nReally? Why are so you worried about high school kids \"getting their kicks\"\nwith scanners, as compared to what the feds can do, and have done, to their\ntargets?\n\n\"Better than the status quo\" isn't good enough, I'd say. The same \ntechnology could be implemented WITHOUT a back door open to the state.\n\nWe all know about power and corruption. But we all know that abuse is\nsomething that only happens to the other guy.\n\n>\n>Amanda Walker\n>InterCon Systems Corporation\n>\n>\n\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJohn Hesse           |          A man,     \njhesse@netcom.com    |                 a plan, \nMoss Beach, Calif    |                         a canal, Bob.\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","1971":"From: mjones@watson.ibm.com (Mike Jones)\nSubject: Re: So Far , So Good (THE RED SOX)\nReply-To: mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: fenway.aix.kingston.ibm.com\nOrganization: IBM AIX\/ESA Development, Kingston NY\nLines: 68\n\nec003b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Wizard) writes:\n>I have posted two new postings on the net, since I discovered how to use it,\n>and both times I received redicule for predicting the Red Sox as high as\n>Third in the AL East.  Id like to hear why it is people dont think the Sox\n>can be as high as Third this year.  Here are some of my observations:\n\nWell, had you been a bit less exuberant in both the tone and substance of\nyour predictions, the responses would probably have been a bit more\nmeasured. Be that as it may....\n\n>1. Roger and Frank are in vintage form, and the Sox are rresponding to them.\nClemens is always in this form, and Viola isn't really performing beyond\nwhat might reasonably have been expected. How do you know that the Sox are\nresponding to them, and not to Al Bumbry, Hobson, or (my most likely\nsuspect) new hitting coach Mike Easler? I certainly am more likely to give\nEasler credit for Mo Vaughhn's hot start than Clemens or Viola.\n\n>2. Greenwell is hitting as he did before his injuries.\nThis was the optimistic scenario, but not unreasonably so. He hasn't shown\nmuch power yet, though.\n\n>3. Dawson is providing the leadership and some hitting they need from him.\nHow can you tell that Dawson is providing the leadership? Perhaps it's\nCalderon? Perhaps it's Clemens and Viola? Maybe Hobson is finally showing\nthose people skills he was supposed to have when they hired him. Or maybe\nit's all a myth. And Dawson has been hitting reasonably well, but not as\nwell as Greenwell, Vaughn, Cooper, or Fletcher.\n\n>4. Russell is finishing well.\nIn three games. Why don't we look at this one again in, say, July?\n\n>5. Fletcher is hitting well as a leadoff hitter.\nA bit better than could reasonably have been expected. But don't forget that\nZupcic looked like Wade Boggs lite for about 75 AB's last year. Beware of\nsmall sample sizes. Still, if Fletcher hits as well as he did last year he'd\nbe a great improvement over any Sox leadoff hitter from last year. Be aware\nthat his career numbers seem to indicate that he puts up good numbers as\nlong as he doesn't have to make more than 300 AB or so in a year.\n\n>6. Cooper is hitting well (I think he'll be better then Boggs in the field\n>and just as good at the plate)\nUmmm...sorry, no. I can buy the \"in the field\" part, and I think he'll be\nbetter at the plate than the 1992 Boggs, but in general Cooper, while he'll\nbe a pretty good hitter, couldn't carry Boggs' jockstrap. With a little\nluck, he could be the fourth or fifth best 3B in the AL (Martinez, Boggs,\nVentura, and Palmer will all be better).\n\n>If the sox Pitch like last year (they have a better pitchiong staff, now)\n>and hit like they are so far, they coiuld run away with thee division. but\n>since I think that their hitting and pitching may not be up to the challenge\n>of running away with the division, I think that they win be over .500 and at\n>least Third if not Second or First.\n\nSee, here is where you make that quick left turn off into the aether. .500\nis plausible, third is not unlikely, but phrases like \"could run away with\nthe division\" are likely to get you a visit from the men in the white\ncoats. It's not really clear that their staff is better than last year. If\nRussell does well, Darwin doesn't go on the DL, and Hesketh doesn't pitch\njust barely well enough to avoid losing his spot in the rotation, they could\nbe better. On the other hand, if Hesketh pitches miserably and they're too\nstupid to move him to the pen and bring up Conroy or somebody, Fossas\ncontinues to pitch dismally but they keep giving him innings becasue he's a\nlefty, and Russell explodes they could be pretty bad.\n\n Mike Jones | AIX High-End Development | mjones@donald.aix.kingston.ibm.com\n\nGod is a comedian playing to an audience that is afraid to laugh.\n\t- Mark Twain\n","1972":"From: ss6349@csc.albany.edu (Steven H. Schimmrich)\nSubject: Looking for Christians in Urbana, Illinois...\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Department of Geological Sciences, SUNY at Albany\nLines: 12\n\n\n   I apologize if this post isn't entirely appropriate for the newsgroup.\n\n   I would like to correspond with any Christians attending the University\nof Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.  I will be transfering there in August to\ncomplete my Ph.D. and I thought it would be nice to correspond with people\nbefore I moved out.\n\n--\nSteven H. Schimmrich     Department of Geological Sciences         \"Non semper\nss6349@csc.albany.edu    State University of New York at Albany   ea sunt quae\nss6349@albnyvms.bitnet   Albany, New York 12222  (518) 442-4466   videntur.\"\n","1973":"From: cudep@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Ian Dickinson)\nSubject: Re: SVR4.x binary dists (was Re: RFD: to create comp.unix.sys5.univel)\nOrganization: Team Limpid's Meathead With Aptitude - Kunst und Wahnsinn\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: spatula.csv.warwick.ac.uk\n\nIn article <rick.734610425@digibd> rick@digibd.digibd.com (Rick Richardson) writes:\n>The other scary thing is that I ship libxcl.so with the 6 functions\n>in it;  how many other libxcl.so type libraries will be shipped by\n>other vendors?  Should I trademark the name libxcl.a? What if\n>some clown uses that name and only puts 4 of the troublesome\n>functions in it?\n\nDoes USL SVR4 support LD_RUN_PATH a la Solaris 2?\nOr an equivalent?\n\nIf so, you can put the library in a package specific lib directory,\ncompile the app with LD_RUN_PATH defined, and all should work.\n\nBesides, I'd say name it libPACKAGExcl.a if possible.\n\nCheers,\n-- \n\\\/ato - Ian Dickinson - NIC handle: ID17          This article is dedicated to\nvato@csv.warwick.ac.uk  ...!uknet!warwick!vato        those who disapprove but\n\/I=I\/S=Dickinson\/OU=CSV\/O=Warwick\/PRMD=UK.AC\/ADMD= \/C=GB\/          continue to\n@c=GB@o=University of Warwick@ou=Computing Services@cn=Ian Dickinson      read\n","1974":"From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nOrganization: Hand Held Products, Inc.\nLines: 22\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: dale.handheld.com\n\nIn article <93109.172450U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz \n[...]\n\n> It is kind of funny though how you were the only one who picked up\n> the part about my sister being a social worker and keeping me up to date on  \nthe\n> gang thing.  Everyone else seemed to just skim by that part.\n> \n> Jason\n\n\nI guess that just means \"Everyone else\" was mistaken?\n\nJim\n--\njmd@handheld.com\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\"I'm always rethinking that.  There's never been a day when I haven't rethought  \nthat.  But I can't do that by myself.\"  Bill Clinton  6 April 93\n\"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed  \nin my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!\"\nWILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777\n","1975":"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)\nSubject: Re: BATF\/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4\/19\nNntp-Posting-Host: gozer\nOrganization: SigSauer Fan Club \nLines: 31\n\nIn article <C5rynw.Iz8@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their \n>hands up while national tv cameras watch.\n>\nWatch from where?  Two miles away?  Far enough away that whatever\nreally happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of\na humiliated agency that said (quote!) \"Enough is enough.\"\n\n>scenario that is simplest and most plausible.  I do not generally \n>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely \n>scenarios.\n\nThe FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating\nthat MLK was having an affair!  Again, please tell us exactly\nhow much you trust our supposedly benevolent government.\n\n>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair.\n>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is \n>ludicrous.\n\nI suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to\nrisk small arms fire to get some good footage.  These people\nwere told to get the hell out of camera range.  Why?\n\nDrew \n--\nbetz@gozer.idbsu.edu\n*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho ***\n*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights   ***\n*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,\n    semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium\n","1976":"From: pspod@bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov (Steve Podleski)\nSubject: Re: Founding Father questions\nNntp-Posting-Host: bigbird.lerc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: NASA Lewis Research Center [Cleveland, Ohio]\nLines: 21\n\narc@cco.caltech.edu (Aaron Ray Clements) writes:\n>Wasn't she the one making the comment in '88 about George being born with\n>a silver foot in his mouth?  Sounds like another damn politician to me.\n>\n>Ain't like the old days in Texas anymore.  The politicians may have been\n>corrupt then, but at least they'd take a stand.  (My apologies to a few\n>exceptions I can think of.)  \n>\n>News now is that the House may already have a two-thirds majority, so \n>her \"opposition\" out of her concern for image (she's even said this\n>publicly) may not matter.\n\nDo people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did?\n-- \n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nSteve Podleski\t\t\t|     phone: 216-433-4000\nNASA Lewis Research Center     \t|    \nCleveland, Ohio  44135         \t|     email: pspod@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov \n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","1977":"From: Chris W. Johnson <chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu>\nSubject: Re: New DC-x gif\nOrganization: University of Texas at Austin Computation Center\nLines: 20\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7F316D13D01BE1F@gargravarr.cc.utexas.edu>\nX-XXDate: Thu, 15 Apr 93 19:42:41 GMT\n\nIn article <Cohen-150493082611@q5022531.mdc.com> Andy Cohen,\nCohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com writes:\n> I just uploaded \"DCXart2.GIF\" to bongo.cc.utexas.edu...after Chris Johnson\n> moves it, it'll probably be in pub\/delta-clipper.\n\nThanks again Andy.\n\nThe image is in pub\/delta-clipper now. The name has been changed to \n\"dcx-artists-concept.gif\" in the spirit of verboseness. :-)\n\n----Chris\n\nChris W. Johnson\n\nInternet:   chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu\nUUCP:       {husc6|uunet}!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!chrisj\nCompuServe: >INTERNET:chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu\nAppleLink:  chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu@internet#\n\n...wishing the Delta Clipper team success in the upcoming DC-X flight tests.\n","1978":"From: maridai@comm.mot.com (Marida Ignacio)\nSubject: Re: \"Accepting Jesus in your heart...\"\nOrganization: trunking_fixed\nLines: 34\n\n\n    |whitsebd@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (Bryan Whitsell) writes:           \n    |                                                                     \n    |> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.    \n    |> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality.  Christians inject\n    |> themselves with jeezus and live with that high.                    \n    |                                                                     \n    |Your logic is falty.  If Christianity is a DRUG, and once we die we  \n    |die, then why would you be reluctant to embrase this drug so that    \n    |while you are alive you enjoy yourself.                              \n    |                                                                     \n\nPardon the harshness that follows...\n\nOnce, I told a cradle christian: Please do not take advantage of Jesus\nor anybody for the sake of your own (selfish) realization or search\nfor true faith\/religion\/belonging\/'being in'\/fear of hell\/vanity\/etc.  \nInstead of serving yourself, _we must be serving Him_.  \n*Until you have comprehended this truth, you are only doing things for your \nown egoism.*\n\nLet us not use Jesus, our religion, the Bible, anything or\nanybody as a means of escape or getting ecstatic or high.\nWe are God's children and we must have a true and authentic\nrelationship with our Father with obedience, faith, hope and \nlove and works (the last as the most important).\n\nBeware of our 'materialistic', 'worldly' and 'selfish' motives.  \nAtheists have this ground against us and I believe they are right about\n*some* who call themselves 'christians'.\n\n-Marida\n \"...spreading Gods words through actions...\"\n  -Mother Teresa\n","1979":"From: pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com (barone philip 00309)\nSubject: USENET Playoff Pool\nNntp-Posting-Host: x102a.ess.harris.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nOrganization: Harris ESS, Melbourne, Fla.\nLines: 15\n\nI saw a previous request for the Rules and Instructions for the USENET \nplayoff pool but I haven't seen any responce. Does anybody have this info?\nIf so post away or you could mail it to me. Thanks in advance.\n\n\n--\n============================================================================\nPhil Barone                  \\       Internet:  pbarone@x102a.ess.harris.com\nHarris Corporation GISD       \\\nCape Canaveral A.F.S.          \\\n407-853-8169                    \\\n============================================================================\n\n\n\n","1980":"From: kaiser@informatik.uni-koblenz.de (Siegfried Kaiser)\nSubject: R5 table widget causing trouble with XtQueryGeometry\nOrganization: Universitaet Koblenz\nLines: 227\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: glass.uni-koblenz.de\n\nContents:Problems with table widgets in R5\n\n\tThe following part of a program (an user interface for a simulation\n\tsystem) did work in R4, but refused to in R5. Of cause, the R4-version\n\tdid not know about the xpTableWidgetClass (we used tableWidgetClass \t\t\tinstead - caught from the net in times of R3) and XpTableChildPosition \t\t\t(formerly XtTblPosition).\n\tSince compiling with R5, the program causes a zero width or height error\n\t(on sparc-stations). The trouble-shooter is the (re)computation of the\n\tmodel_init_table - table widget: though its childs (label and asciiText \n\twidgets) exist, XtQueryGeometry returns a prefered width and height of \t\t\tzero. \n\tThus the following asignment cannot perform anything else but set the \t\t\twidth and height of the newly created widget to zero. No wonder XtPopup \t\tor XtManage- Child create zero width or height errors (dependent on \t\t\twhether width and height of the shell widget are set in the resource \t\t\tfile or not).\n\t\n\tQuestion: Does anyone know, why XtQueryGeometry returns so low prefered\n\t\t\tvalues when working on table widgets or perhaps what\n\t\t\tto do about?\n\n\tI'll be happy, if someone is able to help me. \n\tGermans are requested to answer in german.\n\t\n\tSiegfried Kaiser\n\temail: kaiser@uniko.uni-koblenz.de\n\n\t\n\tThe part of interest:\n\n\n\t\/* Graphischer Neuaufbau des Model-Init-Formulars *\/\n\t\t\/* Storing the old width and height of the viewport-\t*\/\n\t\t\/* widget, which is the parent of the troubling table\t*\/\n\t\t\/* widget, before the viewport widget is destroyed\t*\/\n\t\t\/* The destroying of widgets before resizing them is a\t*\/\n\t\t\/* relict from R3-age\t\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t\n\tif (model_init_popped_up) \n\t\tXtUnmapWidget(model_init_form_view);\n\tXtDestroyWidget(model_init_form_view);\n\t\n\t\t\/* Creating the subtree within the shell, of which the\t*\/\n\t\t\/* root is the viewport widget\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t\n\tn = 0;\n\tXtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromVert,model_init_title); n++;\n\tXtSetArg(args[n],XtNfromHoriz,model_init_button_view); n++;\n\tXtSetArg(args[n],XtNallowVert,True); n++;\n\tXtSetArg(args[n],XtNforceBars,True); n++;\n\tmodel_init_form_view = XtCreateWidget(\"form_view\",viewportWidgetClass,\n\t\t\t\t\t      model_init_form,args,n);\n\n\tn = 0;\n\tmodel_init_table = XtCreateWidget(\"table\",xpTableWidgetClass,\n\t\t\t\t\t  model_init_form_view,args,n);\n\n\t\t\/* create_form_widget does create and position table\t*\/\n\t\t\/* widget's childs. To position them it uses XpTable-\t*\/\n\t\t\/* ChildPosition in R5 and XtTblPosition in R4\t\t*\/\n\t\t\t\t\t \n\tcreate_form_widget(ptr_model_init_obj,model_init_table);\n\n\t\t\/* \t\t\t\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t\t\/* The crucial function call:\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t\t\/* intended to return the maximum height possible: if\t*\/\n\t\t\/* there isn't sufficient space to show the whole table\t*\/\n\t\t\/* widget, then the viewport shall grow as large as \t*\/\n\t\t\/* possible, but not beyond the border of screen.\t*\/\n\t\t\/* If there is enough space, the window is intended to\t*\/\n\t\t\/* shrienk to the smallest possible height.\t\t*\/\n\t\t\/*\t\t\t\t\t\t\t*\/\n\n\tXtQueryGeometry(model_init_table,NULL,&pref);\n\n\t\t\/* According to the algorithms idea, the new value of\t*\/\n\t\t\/* viewport widget's height is selected. Unfortunately\t*\/\n\t\t\/* pref.height = 0 leads to new_height = 0.\t\t*\/\n\t\t\n\tif (form_view_height > pref.height) new_height = pref.height;\n\telse new_height = form_view_height;\n\n\t\t\/* Setting the new values to viewport widgets ancestors\t*\/\n\n\tw = XtNameToWidget(model_init_form,\"form_view\");\n\tXtResizeWidget(w,width,new_height,pref.border_width);\n\tXtResizeWidget(model_init_form_view,width,new_height,\n\t\t       pref.border_width);\n\n\tif (model_init_popped_up)\n\t{\n\t\t\/* In case the shell, which contains model_init_form_-\t*\/\n\t\t\/* view and model_init_table, allready exists, is has\t*\/\n\t\t\/* to be resized, too.\t\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t\t\n\t n = 0;\n\t XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&shell_width); n++;\n\t XtSetArg(args[n],XtNheight,&shell_height); n++;\n\t XtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&shell_bw); n++;\n\t XtGetValues(model_init_shell,args,n);\n\t XtResizeWidget(model_init_shell,shell_width,\n\t\t\tshell_height - height + new_height,shell_bw);\n\t}; \/* end of if *\/\n\n\tn = 0;\n\tXtSetArg(args[n],XtNwidth,&width); n++;\n\tXtSetArg(args[n],XtNborderWidth,&bw); n++;\n\tXtGetValues(model_init_button_view,args,n);\n\tXtResizeWidget(model_init_button_view,width,new_height,bw);\n\n\tXtResizeWidget(vert_bar,sbar_width,1,sbar_bw);\n\t\n\tresize_inits();\n\n\t\t\/* If there is the shell's height set within the \t*\/\n\t\t\/* resource file, the program terminates within the\t*\/\n\t\t\/* first XtManageChild on its second pass through the\t*\/\n\t\t\/* observed function. The first pass succeeds.\t\t*\/\n\n\tXtManageChild(model_init_form_view);\n\tXtManageChild(model_init_table);\n\n\n\tif (!model_init_popped_up)\n\t{\n\t\t\/* In case the shell isn't popped up it has to be done.\t*\/\n\t\t\/* If there is no value set to the shell's height within*\/\n\t\t\/* the resource file, the program terminates here.\t*\/\n\t\t\n\t XtPopup(model_init_shell,XtGrabNone);\n\t model_init_pop_flag = True;\n\t set_model_init_attributes();\n\t}; \/* end of if *\/\n\n\tget_actual_init(&ptr_actual);\n\tload_form(ptr_actual);\n\t\n\t\n\t\n\t\/*\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t\/* If someone suspects the creation of table widget's contents\t*\/\n\t\/* causes all the trouble, there are the sources of create_form *\/\n\t\/*\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t\n\t\t\n\tcreate_form_widget(ptr,table)\n\tt_obj              *ptr;\n\tWidget             table;\n\t\t\n\t\t\/* ptr is a linear list containing attributes and para-\t*\/\n\t\t\/* meters of the model and additionally the correspon-\t*\/\n\t\t\/* ding widgets\t\t\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t\t\n\t{\n\t Arg               args[10];\n\t int               n,\n\t\t\t   row,\n\t\t\t   col;\n\t t_obj             *ptr_obj;\n\t t_ident           *ptr_ident;\n\n\t\t\/* Initialization of the local variables\t\t*\/\n\t\t\n\t ptr_obj = ptr;\n\t col = 0;\n\t row = 0;\n \n\t \/* Schleife ueber die Objekte bzw. das Pseudo-Objekt (fuer die \t\t\t\tParameter) *\/\n\t\t\/* loop through the list of objects and pseudo-objects:\t*\/\n\t\t\/* every object occuring in the model has zero or more\t*\/\n\t\t\/* attributes and some parameters, which can be shared\t*\/\n\t\t\/* by several objects. \t\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t\t\/* Because of locality the attributes of one object are\t*\/\n\t\t\/* listed in a second linear list (of type t_ident),\t*\/\n\t\t\/* whereas the parameters, which can belong to any ob-\t*\/\n\t\t\/* ject are put together in a pseudo-object \t\t*\/\n\t\t\/* Thus the program loops through the list of objects\t*\/\n\t\t\/* and pseudo-objects and for each object through the\t*\/\n\t\t\/* list of its attributes resp. parameters.\t\t*\/\n\t\t\n\t while (ptr_obj != (t_obj*)NULL)\n\t {\n\t \t\/* Each object and pseudo-object is represented in a\t*\/\n\t \t\/* label widget\t\t\t\t\t\t*\/\n\t  \n\t  n = 0;\n\t  XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_obj->name); n++;\n\t  ptr_obj->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(\"object\",labelWidgetClass,\n\t\t\t\t\t   table,args,n);\n\t  XpTableChildPosition(ptr_obj->label_w,col,row);\n\t  col++;\n\t  row++;\n\t  ptr_ident = ptr_obj->ident;\n\n\t  \/* Schleife ueber die Objekt-Attribute bzw. Parameter *\/\n\t  while (ptr_ident != (t_ident*)NULL)\n\t  {\n\t  \t\/* Each attribute and parameter is represented in a\t*\/\n\t  \t\/* label and has a corresponding asciiText widget, in \t*\/\n\t  \t\/* which it is to be initialized.\t\t\t*\/\n\t  \t\n\t   n = 0;\n\t   XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlabel,ptr_ident->name); n++;\n\t   ptr_ident->label_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(\"ident\",labelWidgetClass,\n\t\t\t\t\t      table,args,n);\n\t   XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->label_w,col,row);\n\t   col++;\n    \n\t   n = 0;\n\t   XtSetArg(args[n],XtNlength,ROW_LENGTH); n++;\n\t   XtSetArg(args[n],XtNstring,ptr_ident->text); n++;\n\t   XtSetArg(args[n],XtNeditType,XawtextEdit); n++;\n\t   XtSetArg(args[n],XtNwrap,XawtextWrapWord); n++;\n\t   XtSetArg(args[n],XtNresize,XawtextResizeHeight); n++;\n\t   XtSetArg(args[n],XtNuseStringInPlace,True); n++;\n\t   ptr_ident->text_w = XtCreateManagedWidget(\"text\",\n\t\t\t\t\tasciiTextWidgetClass,\n\t\t\t\t\t     table,args,n);\n\t   XpTableChildPosition(ptr_ident->text_w,col,row);\n\t   col--;\n\t   row++;\n\t   get_next_ident(&ptr_ident);\n\t  }; \/* end of while *\/\n\t  col--;\n\t  get_next_obj(&ptr_obj);\n\t }; \/* end of while *\/\n\t} \/* end of create_form_widget *\/\n\n\n\t\n\nSo far the problem in detail.\n\n","1981":"From: wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf)\nSubject: Re: BATF\/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4\/19\nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.142131.27347@rti.rti.org> jbs@rti.rti.org writes:\n>In article <C5rpoJ.IJv@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n>>\n>>Well they had over 40 days to come out with their hands up on national tv \n>>to get the trial they deserved.  Instead they chose to set fire to their \n>>compund hours after the tanks dropped off the tear gas.\n>\n>This is about the third person who's parroted the FBI's line about the\n>fires being set \"six hours after the tear gas was injected.\"  Suppose you\n>want to explain to us the videotape footage shown on national TV last night\n>in which a tank with the gas-injecting tubes is pulling its injection tubes\n>out of the second story of a building as the building begins to belch smoke\n>and then fire?\n>\n>Do tell.\n>\n>  -joe\n\nNot to mention that the story was rewritten today. Those two BD's who\n\"admitted to starting the fire\", forget 'em, they don't exist anyone.\nToday, \"a few saw someone starting a fire\" and \"our aerial surveillance\nshowed them starting fires\" at this morning's press conference. \nTomorrow, even this excuse may evaporate. A reporter pointed out\nthat a BD being brought to arraingement shouted that tanks knocking\nover lanterns started the fire. Curiouser and curiouser.\n\n\n-- \n +   Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only   +\n |*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* |\n |*Christian*God*Satan*Apocalypse*ZOG*Nazi*Socialist*Communist*Explosive*|\n +*fundamentalist*revolution*NSC*Federal Reserve*Constitution*gold*FEMA* +\n","1982":"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)\nSubject: Re: Honors Degrees: Do they mean anything?\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 27\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nJustin Kibell (jck@catt.citri.edu.au) wrote:\n: What has this got to do with comp.windows.x?\n: \n\nI agree that this is a side track, but it is funny that I skip so many\nother articles (threads) but I couldn't resist reading this one.\n\nMy beliefs, opinions, and expressions are strictly my own and do not\nrepresent or reflect any official or unofficial policies or attitudes\nof any other person or organization....\n \nbut.  I have heard that Ford Motor Company has (had) a recruiting bias\ntoward engineers and away from computer science graduates.  The reasoning\nis supposedly to better meet long range personnel requirements.  This is\nevidenced by the large number of CS people who are employed via contracts\nand are not brought on board except in special circumstances.  This is\na generalization which obviously doesn't always hold true, but there are\nstatistics.  Furthermore, most \"software engineering\" at Ford gets done\nby electrical engineers.  I know of 2 univerities that have merged the\ncomputer science department and the electrical engineering so that you\ncan get a computer degree which qualifies you for much more than programming.\n\nBut since my beliefs and opinions are merely figments of my distorted\nimagination I suppose I should keep it to myself.\n\n\n\n","1983":"From: christyo@cae.wisc.edu (Buddy Christyono)\nSubject: Summary: DoubleDisk Gold v 6.0\nOrganization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering\nLines: 98\n\nHi Netters,\n\nAs promised, here are the summary of opinions on DoubleDisk Gold v.6.0.\nPeople seem to be quite happy with the product. There is no much of\nopinion on how good it is compared to the industry leader Stacker 3.0.\n(Superstor Pro is not considered since it is slower than Stacker although\njust as reliable - BYTE Magazine's conclusion ;-) ), so it's hard to make\nany decision to go with Stacker or with DoubleDisk Gold v6.0. \nHowever, it seems that at $39.95, it is quite a buy.\n\nBuddy Christyono\nbuddy@optics.ece.wisc.edu\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nsummary of replies\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nHello Buddy,\n\nI do not have DD Gold 6.0 experience.  I just ordered it.  I currently have\nDD 2.3 (the last version).  I am very pleased with its performance.\n\nHere is my suggestion...\n\n1)  If you do not have any compression software currently, I would go with\n\tDOS 6.0's compression.  All the discussion on the net indicates that\n\tfor $50 you get the compression (built into the OS), plus the other\n\tutilities that you would pay way more than $50 for.  Besides, you \n\tare now at DOS6.0 (whatever that means...)\n\n2)  If you have DoubleDisk 2.3 already (like I do), the cost is $29.95\n\tfor the upgrade.  After thinking about it and asking the net, I\n\tdecided that I could not go wrong with the update cost!\n\tI have never suffered from performance of DD.  I have a 12ms HD with\n\tlarge SW packages in both compressed and uncompressed format.  It\n\tworks great.  Not delays.  I think the \"A\" is better than \"B\" \n\targuements are a lot of bunk... they are all comparable in performance.\n\tI am looking forward to being able to \"LOADHIGH\" the DD sw.  That\n\thas been an annoyance.\n\n3)  If you have Stacker, et.al. currently, I would not see it worth the\n\teffort to upgrade.\n\nJust my $.02 ...\n\nRegards,\nMark Bagdy\n----------------------------------------------------------------\nBuddy,\n\nI got the same mailer. About 2 weeks ago I got DDG and installed it. The\ndocumentation was, in my opinion, easy to follow. I used the automatic\ninstallation (not the custom) and everything went smoothly.\n\nThere were some specific instructions on a readme file for dealing with 386max\n& QEMM. DDG has an uninstall (unlike DOS6.0) if you need it. My system has a\n203Mb hard drive. before installing DDG I had ~5Mb free. After DDG I had\n~197Mb free. Pretty good statistics considering that my 8Mb permanent windows\nswap file stayed on the uncompressed portion (along with other drivers and\nsuch).\n\nI have had no problems whatsoever. I have noticed no slowdown (other than it\ntakes a little longer to boot) either in windows or dos. So far I am a very\nhappy camper.\n\n-Bruce\n-- \n  Bruce F. Steinke                    | \"Never know when you're going to\n  bsteinke@dsd.es.com                 |  need a good piece of rope.\"\n  Software Technical Support Engineer |               Sam Gamgee\n  Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp.   |      <My mail, My Opinions>\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\tI have been using DoubleDisk Gold for a little more than a month on\na 486DX 33Mhz, 120MB Seagate drive, running DOS & Windows in 386 enhanced\nmode.\n\tI ran some tests and concluded that the speed of a DoubleDisk drive\nwith a drive read cache is about equal to the bare drive without a cache.\n\tI have no complaints about reliability.  It was very easy to install.\nThe only problem I had was with Castle Wolfenstein 3-D.  I assumed the game\nwas trying to bypass DOS disk access and moved the game to the non-compressed\nregion of the disk.  Since then the game has never given me a problem. \nThere was never any damage to the DoubleDisk drive.\n\tCompression performance for the whole disk has held steady \naround 1.8:1.  This is lower than expected but about 20% (size) of my files \nare compressed image files and some large zip files.  \n\nIf you have any more specific questions let me know.\nDan\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nI bought it an have been happy with it.  I use it on both MFM and IDE 40\nMB drives.  I was using DoubleDisk before Gold came out.  That is the\nsame product MSDOS 6.0 is shipping with.  No problems with either\nproduct.\n\n-- \nRon Bjornseth                 bjornset@pogo.den.mmc.com\n\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\n-------------------- END OF MESSAGES --------------------------------------\n","1984":"From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley)\nSubject: Electronics\nSummary: new address\nNntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu\nOrganization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 21\n\n \nPanasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one.\n new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO.\n \nCurtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes.\n Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR.\n paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO.\n \nRadio Shack stereo amp.  2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume.  Speakers\n not included.  $20 plus shipping.\n \nIf you are interested in either of the above mail me at\n radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu or call me, Keith, at 919-968-7779.\n \nPS- I made a type on my email address the first posting.  It is now correct.\n\n        _\n    _  \/\/       Major: Computer Science              \/<eith Radley\n    \\\\\/\/        Minor:     English              Radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\n     \\\/      Computer:   AMIGA 3000           University of North Carolina\n\n","1985":"From: dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field))\nSubject: Re: Too many MRIs?\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.043654.13068@informix.com> proberts@informix.com (Paul Roberts) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr12.165410.4206@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com (Dick King) writes:\n>>\n>>I recall reading somewhere, during my youth, in some science popularization\n>>book, that whyle isotope changes don't normally affect chemistry, a consumption\n>>of only heavy water would be fatal, and that seeds watered only with heavy\n>>water do not sprout.  Does anyone know about this?\n>>\n>\n>I also heard this. I always thought it might make a good eposide of\n>'Columbo' for someone to be poisoned with heavy water - it wouldn't\n>show up in any chemical test.\n\nThat would be a very expensive toxin indeed!\n-- \n| Daniel R. Field, AKA InfoSpunj | Joe: \"Are you late?\"                |\n| dfield@oboe.calpoly.edu        | Dan: \"No, but I'm working on it!\"   |\n| Biochemistry, Biotechnology    |                                     |\n| California Polytechnic State U |                                     | \n","1986":"From: suresh@iss.nus.sg (Suresh Thennarangam - Research Scholar)\nSubject: X Device Driver for Bird\nNntp-Posting-Host: raccoon.iss.nus.sg\nOrganization: Institute Of Systems Science, NUS\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4\nLines: 16\n\nHas anyone written a device driver to use the Ascension bird with XWindows ? \n\n\n      __                  \n     (_   \/ \/  o_   o  o |_\n     __)\/(_( __) (_(_ \/_)| )_\n\n\n***************************************************************************\n* Suresh Thennarangam               *  EMail: suresh@iss.nus.sg(Internet) *\n* Research Scholar                  *         ISSST@NUSVM.BITNET          *\n* Institute Of Systems Science      *  Tel:  (065) 772 2588.              *\n* National University Of Singapore  *  Facs.: (065) 778 2571              *\n* Heng Mui Keng Terrace             *  Telex: ISSNUS RS 39988             *\n* Singapore 0511.                   *                                     *\n***************************************************************************\n","1987":"From: nmcglynn@buffalo.axion.bt.co.uk (Neil A. McGlynn)\nSubject: British Championship Playoffs (16 Apr 93)\nOrganization: BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK\nLines: 45\nReply-To: nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk\nNNTP-Posting-Host: buffalo.axion.bt.co.uk\nOrganisation: BT Laboratories, Martlesham Heath, IPSWICH UK\n\nGroup A\t\t\t\t\tGroup B\n~~~~~~~\t\t\t\t\t~~~~~~~\n\nCardiff Devils  7-3  Bracknell Bees\tNottingham Panthers  8-3  Billingham\nHumberside      7-7  Whitley Warriors\tMurrayfield Racers  11-2  Fife Flyers\nWhitley Bay     6-9  Cardiff Devils     Billingham Bombers   6-8  Murrayfield\nHumberside      8-5  Bracknell Bees\tNottingham Panthers 11-5  Fife Flyers\nCardiff Devils 10-4  Humberside\t\tMurrayfield Racers   6-4  Nottingham\nBracknell Bees  4-9  Whitley Bay\tFife Flyers          2-5  Billingham\nBracknell Bees  3-8  Cardiff Devils\tBillingham Bombers   2-8  Nottingham\nWhitley Bay     5-7  Humberside\t\tFife Flyers          3-12 Murrayfield\n\n\t\tP W D L  F  A  P\t\t\t     P W D L  F  A  P\nCardiff Devils  4 4 0 0 34 16  8*\tMurrayfield Racers   4 4 0 0 37 15  8*\nHumberside      4 2 1 1 26 27  5\tNottingham Panthers  4 3 0 1 31 16  6*\nWhitley Bay     4 1 1 2 27 27  3\tBillingham Bombers   4 1 0 3 16 26  2\nBracknell Bees  4 0 0 4 15 32  0\tFife Flyers\t     4 0 0 4 12 39  0\n\n* indicates qualified for Championship Finals\n\nRelegation\/Promotion A\t\t\tRelegation\/Promotion B\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\t\t\t~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n\nBasingstoke    10-4  Swindon Wildcats   Sheffield Steelers  12-8  Peterborough\nDurham Wasps   13-5  Romford Raiders\tSlough Jets          1-9  MK Kings\nBasingstoke     6-0  Durham Wasps\tSheffield Steelers   9-4  Milton Keynes\nSwindon         8-5  Romford Raiders    Milton Keynes Kings  4-6  Peterborough\nDurham Wasps   17-2  Swindon Wildcats\tSlough Jets          2-12 Sheffield\nRomford         4-10 Basingstoke \tPeterborough        10-2  Slough Jets\nRomford        *8-3* Durham Wasps\tPeterborough\t     8-5  Sheffield\nSwindon         7-11 Basingstoke        Milton Keynes Kings 10-4  Slough Jets\n\n\t\tP W D L  F  A  P\t\t\t     P W D L  F  A  P\nBasingstoke     4 4 0 0 37 15  8\tSheffield Steelers   4 3 0 0 38 22  6\nDurham Wasps    4 2 0 2 33 21  4\tPeterborough         4 3 0 1 32 23  6\nSwindon         4 1 0 3 21 43  2\tMilton Keynes Kings  4 2 0 2 27 20  4\nRomford Raiders 4 1 0 3 22 34  2\tSlough Jets\t     4 0 0 4  9 41  0\n\n\n  \/-- \/ \/-- \/--   \/-- \/ \\ \/ \/-- \/-\/ --- o Neil A. McGlynn   +44 473 645659\n \/-- \/ \/__ \/--   \/-- \/   \/ \/-- \/_\/ \/__  o nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk\n\/   \/ \/   \/--   \/   \/__ \/ \/-- \/\\  ___\/  o British Telecom Laboratories, \n---------------------------------------\t  Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, UK\n\n\n","1988":"From: smithw@col.hp.com (Walter Smith)\nSubject: Re: Playoff predictions\nOrganization: Colorado Springs IT Center\nLines: 41\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fajita19.cs.itc.hp.com\n\nOK, I'll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions: \n\n1st round: \n----------\n\nPITT vs NYI:  PITT in 4.  \nWASH vs NJD:  WASH in 6. \n\nBOS  vs BUF:  BOS  in 5. \nQUE  vs MON:  MON  in 7. \n\nCHI  vs STL:  CHI in 4. \nDET  vs TOR:  DET in 6. \n\nVAN  vs WIN:  WIN in 6. \nCAL  vs  LA:  CAL in 5. \n\n2nd round: \n----------\n\nPITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. \nBOS  vs MON:  BOS  in 6. \n\nCHI  vs DET:  CHI  in 7. \nWIN  vs CAL:  CAL  in 5. \n\n3rd round: \n----------\n\nPITT vs BOS:  PITT in 5. \nCHI  vs CAL:  CHI  in 5. \n\nFinals:\n------\n\nPITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. \n\n\n=============================================\nWalter\n\n","1989":"From: creps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu (Stephen A. Creps)\nSubject: Re: quality of Catholic liturgy\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 72\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.30.16.1993.14313@athos.rutgers.edu> jemurray@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John E Murray) writes:\n>Example.  Last Sunday (Palm Sunday) we went to the local church.  Usually\n>on Palm Sunday, the congregation participates in reading the Passion, taking\n>the role of the mob.  The theology behind this seems profound--when we say\n>\"Crucify him\" we mean it.  We did it, and if He came back today we'd do it\n>again.  It always gives me chills.  But last week we were \"invited\" to sit\n>during the Gospel (=Passion) and _listen_.  Besides the Orwellian \"invitation\", \n\n   On Palm Sunday at our parish, we were \"invited\" to take the role of\nJesus in the Passion.  I declined to participate.  Last year at the\nliturgy meeting I pointed out how we crucify Christ by our sins, so\ntherefore it is appropriate that we retain the role of the crowd, but\nto no avail.\n\n>musicians, readers, and so on.  New things are introduced in the course of the\n>liturgy and since no one knows what's happening, the new things have to be\n>explained, and pretty soon instead of _doing_ a lot of the Mass we're just\n>sitting there listening (or spacing out, in my case) to how the Mass is about\n>to be done.  In my mind, I lay the blame on liturgy committees made up of lay\n>\"experts\", but that may not be just.  I do think that a liturgy committee has a\n>bias toward doing something rather than nothing--that's just a fact of\n>bureaucratic life--even though a simpler liturgy may in fact make it easier for\n>people to be aware of the Lord's presence.\n\n   As a member of a liturgy committee, I can tell you that the problem\nis certain people dominating, who want to try out all kinds of\ninnovations.  The priests don't seem even to _want_ to make any\ndecisions of their own in many cases.  I guess it's easier to \"try\nsomething new\" than it is to refuse to allow it.\n\n   At our parish on Holy Thursday, instead of the priests washing feet\n(\"Who wants to get around people's feet,\" according to one of our\npriests) the congregation was \"invited\" to come up and help wash one\nanother's hands.\n\n   The symbolism of this action distressed me, and again I refused to\nparticipate.  I thought that if we were to have to come up with\nrubrics for this liturgical action (i.e. \"Body of Christ\" -- \"Amen\"\nfor receiving Communion), that they could be \"I am not responsible for\nthe blood of this man.\"\n\n   Also for part of the Eucharistic Prayer (\"Blessed are You, God of\nall creation...\") was substituted some text read by a lay couple.  The\npriest certainly should not have given this part of the Mass over to\nothers, and I was so disturbed that I declined to receive Communion\nthat night (we aren't required to anyway -- I instead offered up\nprayers for our priests and parish).\n\n>So we've been wondering--are we the oddballs, or is the quality of the Mass\n>going down?  I don't mean that facetiously.  We go to Mass every Thursday or\n>Friday and are reminded of the power of a very simple liturgy to make us aware \n>of God's presence.  But as far as the obligatory Sunday Masses...maybe I should \n>just offer it up :)  Has anyone else noticed declining congregational\n>participation in Catholic Masses lately?\n\n   The quality of the Mass has not changed.  Again, if it were to be\ncelebrated according to the rubrics set down by the Church, it would\nstill be \"liturgically\" beautiful.  The problem comes about from\npeople trying to be \"creative\" who are not.\n\n   I think the answer to your question on participation could be that\ngiven by Father Peter Stravinskas in answer to the question posed by\nthe title of Thomas Day's _Why Catholics Can't Sing_.  \"They don't\nwant to\" because of all this nonsense.\n\n   By the way, for any non-Catholics reading this, the problem does\nnot reflect bad liturgy by the Catholic Church, but by those who are\ndisobedient to the Church in changing it on their own \"authority.\"\n\n-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\t-\nSteve Creps, Indiana University\ncreps@lateran.ucs.indiana.edu\n","1990":"From: delliott@access.digex.com (David N. Elliott)\nSubject: Computer Stuff for sale\nArticle-I.D.: access.1psb9r$j8e\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nFor sale in the Baltimore - DC Area\n\nOne Mac 2X 8\/80 with Radius 24 Bit Color Dual Page display and adapter\nMicrotek 300Z color scanner\nQMS ColorScript 10 Color Postscript Printer\n2400 Baud Modem\nDyanfile with 360 K and 1.2Meg Floppies\n30 Software packages including Pagemaker, Quark Express, Style, Photoshop, etc\n$7000 OBO\n\nOne Compaq LTE 286 with internal modem and 1.5 Meg ram 20 Hard drive \n$750 OBO\n\nOne Compaq SLT 286 with 5 Meg ram and 40 Meg Hard drive \n$950 OBO\n\nOne Compaq 386N motherboard only Make an offer \nthis has just returned from Compaq Service.\n\nSix Muxes with 9600 Baud modems built in.  Make an offer\n\n20 S-100 CPU from a Multi-user TurboDos system Offer\n\nContact Elliott @ (703) 329-7773 office (410) 992-1734 Home\nor delliott@digex.com internet\n","1991":"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Notes on Jays vs. Indians Series\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nDistribution: na\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.212014.1782@news.acns.nwu.edu> edo@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Edward Ouellette) writes:\n>\n>My point? RBI might not be a perfect stat but nothing is. And no stat (or lack\n>of) can tell me there are no clutch hitters. Maybe no stat CAN tell me,\n>either, but some people are... I just know it!!! 8)\n\nI was *hoping* somebody would mention clutch.  Clutch?  Baerga?  The\ntwo words simply do not go together.  With runners in scoring\nposition, Baerga batted .308\/.366\/.418 last year.  This doesn't quite\n*suck*, but most batters hit *better* in this situation.\n\nAlomar?  He hit .354\/.439\/.517 with runners in scoring position!\n\nThe difference?  Alomar had 68 RBIs in 147 such AB.  Baerga had 81\nRBIs in 182 such AB.  Baerga got 25% more chances, yet succeeded only\n20% more times.\n\nFrankly, I don't believe in clutch.  But if I did, my vote would\ngo to Alomar for MVP (let alone \"best 2B in the AL\").\n\n-Valentine\n","1992":"From: guy@x.co.uk (Guy Singh)\nSubject: Re: >>>>> MOUSE BUTTONS 1,2 & 3 <<<<<<<< urgent !\nIn-Reply-To: it4ik@dmu.ac.uk's message of 5 Apr 93 10:10:23 GMT\nX-Disclaimer: This is not the view of IXI Ltd unless explicitly stated.\nLines: 29\nNntp-Posting-Host: yorks.x.co.uk\nOrganization: Not a lot\nX-Copyright: The author asserts the right of paternity in this message.\n\n>>>>> On 5 Apr 93 10:10:23 GMT, it4ik@dmu.ac.uk (I Kler) said:\nIK> Nntp-Posting-Host: elm\n\nIK> I know it sounds stupid, but....\n\nIK> Does anyone know how to control individual mouse buttons.\nIK> I am writing an application, which currently makes use of\nIK> ButtonPressMask, however this is invoked by the pressing\nIK> of any mouse button. I want to be able to restrict this\nIK> to one of the 3 buttons. I tried Button1PressMask, but\nIK> just get undefined errors. I know it can be done, and I\nIK> am pretty sure theres an easy answer to it, but I just don't know\nIK> what it is.\nIK> \"time is of the essence ...\"\n\nThere is no event mask for a particular mouse button press. However in your\nevent handler you can use the event structure passed in and query it to find\nwhich button was pressed i.e.\n\nvoid\nSomeEventHandler(Widget w, XtPointer data, XEvent *event)\n{\n    \/* Catch the button 1 (usually left button) *\/\n    if ( event->xbutton.button == Button1 ) {\n        \/* do some action *\/\n    } else {\n        \/* do nothing and exit from function *\/\n    } \n}\n--\n-Guy Singh,                 IXI            Internet: guy@x.co.uk\n                            Vision Park    UUCP:     guy@ixi.uucp\n                            Cambridge      Bang:     ...!uunet!ixi!guy\n                            CB4 4ZR, UK    Tel:      +44 223 236 555\n","1993":"From: browning@nscf.org (Charles W. Browning)\nSubject: ** Mitsubishi MR535 Hard Drive Help!!! **\nOrganization: National Science Center Foundation\nSummary: ** Mitsubishi MR535 Hard Drive Help!! **\nKeywords: Hard Disk\nLines: 17\n\nI have a new MR535 Mitsubishi hard drive (RLL or MFM) that has been\nin storage and will not format.  I suspected that the switch settings\nmay have been moved in the movement of the drive from one place to\nanother.  Does anyone have the switch settings for this drive.  It has\nJ1 SW1 with 6 switches and SW2 has 8 switches.  SW2 is the one that \nselects the drive number.  If you have info on this drive, or know \na number I can call to configure it, please, please let me know by\nemail.  It has 977 cyl 5 heads and I think is type 17.        \n\nThanks in advance!\n\nChuck Browning\n-- \n*****************************************************\n*  Charles W. Browning *  browning@galois.nscf.org  *\n*  University of GA    *  browning@moe.coe.uga.edu  *\n*  Augusta, Georgia    *  cbrowni@eis.calstate.edu  *\n","1994":"From: altmann@PLEURO.SOAR.CS.CMU.EDU (Erik Altmann)\nSubject: Fwd: PROGRESSIVES HAPPY HOUR\nOriginal-To: bb-general@CS.CMU.EDU\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nDistribution: cmu\nLines: 21\n\n\n\n--------- Forwarding begins here ---------\n\nDate: Wed,  7 Apr 1993 15:39:55 -0400 (EDT)\nFrom: Women's Center <women+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nTo: +dist+\/afs\/andrew.cmu.edu\/usr0\/women\/dlists\/happyhour-announce.dl@andrew.cmu.edu\nSubject: PROGRESSIVES HAPPY HOUR\n\nEnjoy good food and interesting company at the Progressives Happy Hour,\nThursday 8 April, starting at 5:30pm at the Women's Center (located next\nto the laundromat in the Margaret Morrison Plaza).  Kosher for Passover\nfood will be served.  All are welcome.\n\n(Good things to drink will be there, but paper cups won't.  Please  be\nprogressive and bring a cup or mug with you.)\n\nCo-sponsored by the Student Government President and funded by the\nstudent activites fee.\n\n----------- End of forwarding -----------\n","1995":"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)\nSubject: Re: was: Go Hezbollah!!\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 45\n\namehdi@src.honeywell.com (Hossien Amehdi) writes:\n\n>In article <C5IFH7.3q4@news.cso.uiuc.edu> eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf) writes:\n>>\n>>What the hell do you know about Israeli policy?  What gives you the fiat\n>>to look into the minds of Israeli generals?  Has this 'policy of intimidation'\n>>been published somewhere?  For your information, the actions taken by Arabs,\n>>specifically the PLO, were not uncommon in the Lebanon Campaign of 1982.  My\n>>brain is full of shit?  At least I don't look into the minds of others and \n>>make Israeli policy for them!\n>>\n>... deleted\n\n>I am not in the business of reading minds, however in this case it would not\n>be necessary.  Israelis top leaders in the past and present, always come across\n>as arrogant with their tough talks trying to intimidate the Arabs.  \n\nHow would you deal with Arabs who ALWAYS threaten to drive you into the sea or\nburn half your conuntry?  Would you talk nicely?  Would you say please?  You\nwouldn't.  The language of the middle east is power and force.  Sorry - that\nis the way it is now.  If you aren't strong, you go down.  Israel has to talk \nand act tough.  Notice, Israel talks and acts tough in battle, but is willing\nto talk peace.\n\n>The way I see it, Israelis and Arabs have not been able to achieve peace\n>after almost 50 years of fighting because of the following two major reasons:\n\n> 1) Arab governments are not really representative of their people, currently\n>    most of their leaders are stupid, and\/or not independent, and\/or\n>    dictators.\n\nTrue - and they have brainwashed their people into thinking Jews are some sort\nof monsters.  Arab non-recognition of Israel and support of war and terror\nis also an important factor, wouldn't you say?\n\n> 2) Israeli government is arrogant and none comprising.\n\nWhat do you want Israel to do?  They are negotating? I'm sick of people calling\nfor Israel to withdraw from the territories now.  That's not realistic, don't\nyou realize that?  A solution must be negotiated.  It is on the table.  Have\npatience.  \n\nEd.\n\n\n","1996":"From: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)\nSubject: Re: Players Rushed to Majors\nOrganization: Computer Science Department at Rose-Hulman\nLines: 13\nReply-To: rickert@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (John H. Rickert)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: g215a-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\n\nIn article <93122@hydra.gatech.EDU> re4@prism.gatech.EDU (RUSSELL EARNEST)  \nwrites:\n> This brings back the long suffering memories of pre-chop Braves fans who\n> kept being promised the Bob Horner - Dale Murphy back to back power slam.  \n> Who could stop that?  Guess we'll never know.\n\nWhy not? Horner played 130 games in 1985 and hit 27 HR.\nMurphy played 162 and hit 37.\nIn 1986 Horner hit 27 in 141 games and Murphy hit 29 in 160 games.\n(and the Braves lost 96 and 89 games).\n\njohn rickert\nrickert@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu\n","1997":"From: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)\nSubject: NX2000 vs. Sentra SE-R\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 17\nReply-To: cf947@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Chun-Hung Wan)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nI'm plannig to trade my Sentra SE-R in with a NX2000.  My car has 11,500\nmiles on it and is a '92 model.  The NX2000 the dealer is selling is a '91\nmodel with 23,000miles on it.  It has a T-Bar Roof, a\/c, and an airbag,\nwhich my Sentra does not have.  They are asking for $1500.  Is that a fair\ndeal?  The only thing I noticed about the NX2000 is that the engine did not\nseem to have as much torque as my Sentra which has the same identical\nengine.  I presume that the last lady owner did not really push the engine\nto it's limits occassionaly while I did that on mine, thuis the NX2000's\nengine is a little \"tight.\"  So, if I buy the NX2000 and \"excercise\" it\nwell, should that slight power problem go away?  Any advice on this will be\nmuch appreciated.  Thanks.  Please reply via e-mail if possible.\n-- \nA motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA\nSanta Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.\n\n\"The mind is the forerunner of all states.\"\n","1998":"From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)\nSubject: Re: FLAME and a Jewish home in Palestine\nOrganization: The Department of Redundancy Department\nLines: 41\n\nIn article <C5rxH0.LJy@imag.fr> maler@vercors.imag.fr (Oded Maler) writes:\n>In article <C5HJBC.1HC@bony1.bony.com>, jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:\n\n>|> Typical Arabic thinking.  If we are guilty of something, so is\n>|> everyone else.  Unfortunately for you, Nabil, Jewish tribes are not\n>|> nearly as susceptible to the fratricidal murdering that is still so\n>|> common among Arabs in the Middle East.  There were no \" killings\n>|> between the Jewish tribes on the way.\"\n\n>I don't like this comment about \"Typical\" thinking. You could state\n>your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see \n>a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible\n>in ideological\/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen\n>as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think\n>it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can \n>unify as well.\n\nYou somehow missed Nabil's comments, even though you included it in\nyour followup: \n\n  >The number which could have arrived to the Holy Lands must have been\n  >substantially less ude to the harsh desert and the killings between the\n  >Jewish tribes on the way..\n\nI am not aware of \"killings between Jewish tribes\" in the desert.\n\nThe point of \"typical thinking\" here is that while Arabs STILL TODAY\nact in the manner you describe, like \"any nomadic people occupying a \nland\", killing and plundering each other with regularity, others have\nsomehow progressed over time.  It is not surprising then that Arabs\noften accuse others (infidels) of things that they are quite familiar\nwith: civil rights violations, religious discrimination, ethnic\ncleansing, land theft, torture and murder.  It is precisely this \nmechanism at work that leads people to say that Jewish tribes were\nkilling each other in the desert, even without support for such a\nludicrous suggestion.\n\n-- \nJake Livni  jake@bony1.bony.com           Ten years from now, George Bush will\nAmerican-Occupied New York                   have replaced Jimmy Carter as the\nMy opinions only - employer has no opinions.    standard of a failed President.\n","1999":"From: muddmj@wkuvx1.bitnet\nSubject: Re: The doctrine of Original Sin\nOrganization: Western Kentucky University, Bowling Green, KY\nLines: 27\n\n> But, haven't \"all sinned, and come short of the glory\n> of God\" (Romans 3:23)?\n> Those that cite this scripture to claim that even\n> babes require baptism neglect that \"sin is not imputed\n> when there is no law\" (Romans 5:13).\n>\n> Therefore, until someone is capable of comprehending\n> God's laws they are not accountable for living them.\n> They are in the book of life and are not removed until\n> they can make a conscious decision to disobey God.\n>\n> A IDLER\n\nIf babies are not supposed to be baptised then why doesn't the Bible\never say so.  It never comes right and says \"Only people that know\nright from wrong or who are taught can be baptised.\"\n        What Christ did say was :\n\n        \"I solemly assure you, NO ONE can enter God's kingdom without\n         being born of water and Spirit ... Do not be surprised that I\n         tell you you must ALL be begotten from above.\"\n\nCould this be because everyone is born with original sin?\n\n\n\nMike\n","2000":"From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)\nSubject: Re: Misc.\/buying info. needed\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.160449.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:\n\n>Is there a buying guide for new\/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how\n>to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?\n\n_Cycle World_ puts one out, but I'm sure it's not very objective.  Try talking\nwith dealers and the people that hang out there, as well as us.  We love to\ngive advice.\n\n>Is there a pricing guide for new\/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?\n\nMost of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos -- ask for the\none with RVs in it.\n\n>Are there any books\/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?\n\nCouldn't help you here.\n\n>Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?\n\nYou're reading it.\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |\n|                                                                          |\n|   \"the female body is a beautiful work of art, while the male body       |\n|    is lumpy and hairy and should not be seen by the light of day.\"       |\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2001":"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nOrganization: The Claremont Graduate School\nLines: 9\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.24.13.1993.1268@geneva.rutgers.edu>, gt7122b@prism.gatech.edu (boundary) writes:\n>[Anecedotal material which ultimately shows that...]\n\n> but from my experience,\n> the modern Jew is not known for his proselytism.\n\nA Rabbi once told me that theres is a talmudic tradition that someone who\nwanted to convert to Judaism was to be turned away three times. If they\ncontinue then they were accepted.\n","2002":"From: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su (Yarabayeva Albina Nikolayevna)\nSubject: FOR SALE:high-guality conifer oil from Russia,$450\/ton;400 ton\nReply-To: er1@eridan.chuvashia.su\nDistribution: eunet\nOrganization: Firm ERIDAN\nLines: 1\n\nInguiry by address:er1@eridan.chuvashia.su\n","2003":"From: wynblatt@sbgrad5.cs.sunysb.edu (Michael Wynblatt)\nSubject: Re: TIGERS\nKeywords: Tigers\nNntp-Posting-Host: sbgrad5\nOrganization: State University of New York at Stony Brook\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <93104.100921RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> Ryan Kearns <RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET> writes:\n>I think that the Detroit Tigers are the greatest baseball organization of all\n>time.\n...\n[shameless woofing deleted]\n\nOn behalf of the rest of us Tiger fans out here, I appoligize for this \nshameless woofing.  We try to keep it to a minimum, but we did WIN A GAME\nthe other day, so sometimes it's hard to control.  see: Phillies Fans\n\n:-)\nMichael\n\n\n\n","2004":"From: sdexter@shl.com (Scott Dexter)\nSubject: Isuzu Amigo opinions wanted....\nOrganization: SHL Systemhouse Inc.\nLines: 27\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: technet1.shl.com\n\n\n\nIs there anyone out there in NetLand that has\/has had one of these?\n\n\nCan someone give me a non-Consumer Reports review (or point me to a source) ???\n\n\nThanks\nScott\n\n-----------------------\nsdexter@ucrengr.ucr.edu\n\tComputer Science Undergraduate,\n\tUniversity of California, Riverside\n\tInternet :  138.23.166.21\n\nsdexter@technet1.shl.com       \n  \t Facilities Engineer,\n\t SHL SystemHouse, Inc. ,Technology Network\n         Internet : 192.75.61.2\n\n\t\" You say its gonna happen \"now\"\n\t  What exactly do you mean?\n\t  You see I've already waited too long,\n\t  And all my hope is gone \"\n\t\t\t\t\t- The Smiths\n","2005":"From: YTKIM@UCSVAX.UCS.UMASS.EDU (YONG T KIM)\nSubject: WINNLS.DLL?\nOrganization: UNIVERSITY OF MASSACHUSETTS - AMHERST\nLines: 7\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: deimos.ucs.umass.edu\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24\n\n\nI tried to install a foreign language Windows application\nthat required a file named WINNLS.DLL.  I checked all of my\nWIndows 3.1 installation disks for this file, but could not\nfind it.  Does anybody have any idea what this file is for and\nwhere one could get it from?\n\n","2006":"From: ervan@rice.edu (Ervan Darnell)\nSubject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)\nOriginator: ervan@dawn.cs.rice.edu\nReply-To: ervan@rice.edu (Ervan Darnell)\nOrganization: Rice University\nLines: 35\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:\n|> In article <16APR199317110543@rigel.tamu.edu> gmw0622@rigel.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:\n|> >In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...\n|> [.....]\n|> Of course, one again faces the question of how one circumscribes government\n|> power (and keeps it circumscribed) in a complex society when it is in the \n|> interest of neither capitalists nor consumers to refrain from using \n|> government power for their own ends.  But apart from that little \n|> conundrum...\n\n\nThis is a difficult problem for which there is no obviously good\nsolution.  One approach is simply to try and move political opinion\nand hope a new more libertarian consensus lasts for a while.  Another\napproach is to try and amend the constitution.  The original\nconstitution restrained the U.S. government from economic intervention\nfor 100 to 150 years, depending on just how one wants to count it.\nThe First Amendment, though weakened in many ways, still restrains\ngovernment (particularly state and local), even though on many\nparticular issues the majority is in favor of censorship.  I think\nlibertarians would be happy with another 100 years of restraint via\nan amendment or two (not that I think that's likely to happen).\n\nNot necessarily Mr. Hendricks, but other posters seem to see this as\na problem with libertarianism, that it cannot be stable.  That might\nbe true, but it is not an objection to libertarianism per se.  If\na libertarian political consensus forms for a decade or two and then\nfalls apart again, we would just be back where we are now.  This is\nunlike the case for socialism where a socialist consensus that held\nfor a while and then fell apart would not leave us where we are now,\nbut instead with lots of bureaucracy that would be hard to get rid of,\nif not tyranny as the end condition of a strong socialist consensus.\n-- \nErvan Darnell                                        ervan@cs.rice.edu\n","2007":"From: C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk (Space Cadet)\nSubject: Re: To be exact, 2.5 million readers enlightened by Serdar Argic\nNntp-Posting-Host: evenwood\nOrganization: Computing Laboratory, U of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU.\nLines: dog\n\n\n Andrew Varvel writes:\n>\n>\n> Serdar Argic \n>(a.k.a. Serdar Argic, The Merciful and Compassionate) writes:\n>\n>[Serdar Argic's bountiful, divine, all-knowing, and footnoted \n>wisdom is regrettably omitted for this solemn tribute.]\n>\n>\n>WHERE CAN I JOIN THE SERDAR ARGIC FAN CLUB?  DO I GET A T-SHIRT?\n>\n>--The Friendly Neighborhood Alien--\n>\n>Life just hasn't been the same since David Koresh died...\n\n     ah c'mon, give the guy three days and see what comes up.\n\n     LEO\n\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*\n|  DISCLAIMER: it wasn't me, honest,   | email:\n|     it was him, he made me do it!!   | C.L.Gannon@newcastle.ac.uk\n*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*\n","2008":"From: hhm@cbnewsd.cb.att.com (herschel.h.mayo)\nSubject: Re: BRAINDEAD Drivers Who Don't Look Ahead--\nOrganization: Chicago Home for the Morally Challenged\nDistribution: usa\nKeywords: bad drivers\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <zdem0a.734809554@hgo7>, zdem0a@hgo7.hou.amoco.com (Donna Martz) writes:\n\n> >So, I block the would-be passers. Not only for my own good , \n>      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n> >but theirs as well even though they are often too stupid to realize it.\n>  !!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!\n> >As a rule of philosophy, I don't feel particularly sorry when somebody gets \n> >offed by his own stupidity, but It does worry me when some idiot is in a \n> >position to cash in my chips, too.\n> >                                                           H.H. Mayo\n> \n> Well, Aren't we just Mr. Altruism himself!!   Just what the world needs,\n> another frustrated self appointed traffic cop.\n\n\nWell, if you want to stick the nose of your car up the ass of a 50 foot semi, I\nsuppose it's your neck, however, I'm not going to let you kill me in the bargain.\nIf you get frustrated by somebody delaying your inevitable death due to less that\nwise driving practices, then TOUGH!!!\n\n\n\n\n\n\"Thank God for the Fourth of July, for it yearly rids the earth of a considerable\nload of fools\"\n\n                                                              Mark Twain\n\n","2009":"From: ken@sugra.uucp (Kenneth Ng)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nOrganization: Private Computer, Totowa, NJ\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.165423.27204@linus.mitre.org: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei) writes:\n:Judge: \"I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key\n:\titself\"\n:You:    \"The keyphrase is: \"I confess to deliberately evading copyright; \n:\tthe file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of \n:        copyrighted Peanuts strips.\"\"\n:Judge and CP: \"Oh.\"\n:     How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or\n:can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will\n:they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal?\n\nHm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment\nlike they are doing in the LAPD trial?  Ie your judge is a state judge, and\nthen a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the\nsame trail.\n\n-- \nKenneth Ng\nPlease reply to ken@blue.njit.edu for now.\n\"All this might be an elaborate simulation running in a little device sitting\non someone's table\" -- J.L. Picard: ST:TNG\n","2010":"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing\nFrom: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>\nSubject: Re: Boog Powell (was re: CAMDEN YARDS)\n <1993Apr13.150904.25249@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>\nLines: 9\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.150904.25249@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, Mark B. says:\n>\n> Was he better than Balboni?\n>\n\nthis borders on blasphemy.\n\nbob vesterman.\n\n","2011":"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)\nSubject: Re: IDE vs SCSI\nOrganization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario\nNntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <wayne.02uv@amtower.spacecoast.org> wayne@amtower.spacecoast.orgX-NewsSoftware: GRn 1.16f (10.17.92) by Mike Schwartz & Michael B. Smith writes:\n\n>> but I still want to know why it intrinsically better\n>> (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when\n>> managing data from a single SCSI hard drive.\n>\n>A SCSI controller that transfers data by DMA allows the cpu to request data\n>from the hard drive and continue working while the controller gets the data\n>and moves it to memory. \n\nIDE also uses DMA techniques.  I believe floppy controller also uses DMA,\nand most A\/D boards also use DMA.  DMA is no big deal, and has nothing to\ndo directly with SCSI.\n\n> For example, when rewinding or formatting a tape, the command is\n>issued to the controller and the bus is released to allow access to other\n>devices on the bus.  This greatly increases productivity or, at least, do\n>something else while backing up your hard drive :-).  Which happens to be\n>what I am doing while reading this group.\n\nYou can thank your software for that.  If DOS had a few more brains, it\ncould format floppies etc. while you were doing something else.  The\nhardware will support it, but DOS (at least) won't.  Again, this has   \nnothing to do with SCSI.\n\n>Its a long story, but I still use IDE on my 486 except for the CDROM which,\n>thanks to SCSI, I can move between both machines.  If, and when, SCSI is\n>better standardized and supported on the ibm-clone machines, I plan to\n>completely get rid of IDE.\n\nAnd if you stick with DOS you'll wonder why you can't multitask.\n\nAgain I ask why can't a UNIX or OS\/2 type OS do all the miraculous things\nwith an IDE harddrive that it can with a (single) SCSI hard drive.\n","2012":"From: hall@vice (Hal F Lillywhite;627-3877;59-360;LP=A;YApG)\nSubject: Re: Help\nOrganization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.\nLines: 73\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.51.1993.1379@geneva.rutgers.edu> lmvec@westminster.ac.uk (William Hargreaves) writes:\n\n>\t   I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem.  I know\n>that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet\n>hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools,\n>do you still think that just believing is enough?'\n\nActually I don't think there is any conflict if we really understand\nwhat these passages say.  First, what is faith?  If you study the \nmeaning of the Greek and Hebrew words so translated I think you will\ncome to the conclusion that the word means a *lot* more than mere \nbelief.  Faith means both trust and action.  If you do not put your \nbelief into action it simply cannot qualify as faith.  I think this \nis what James means when he says that \"faith without works is dead\" \nand, \"I will show you my faith by my works.\"  Remember James was \nwriting to \"the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad.\"  This \nprobably means he was writing to those who would hear the gospel much \nlater and wouldn't understand the meaning of the original Greek.\n(Indeed I suspect James was writing to us, today, among others he\nintended to reach.)  Paul, on the other hand wrote mostly to the\npeople of the Roman empire who generally understood the meaning of\nthe Greek.\n\nAnother key to why there is no conflict is to look at Paul's\nstatements in their context.  I think you will find that when Paul\ncontrasts faith and works it is in the context of comparing the\ngospel with the Law, meaning the Law of Moses.  This was the great\nburden of Paul's life.  As the apostle to the Gentiles he would go\nconvert a bunch of people, then the \"Judizers\" would come along and\ntry to convince them that they also had to obey the Law of Moses (cf\nActs chapter 15).  In this context Paul condemns the idea of being\nsaved by the works of the Law, saying that we are saved by the blood\nof Jesus and our faith in him.  I believe that a better translation\nfor today would be that we are saved by *faithfulness*.  I think\n\"faithfulness\" today has a meaning closer to what the original\nwriters intended.\n\n>Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by themselves\n>and not by God, according to Romans that person is still saved by there faith.\n\nI think you misunderstand Romans.  What Paul is really saying is\nthat God prefers a faithful Gentile who does not \"keep kosher\" to a\nkosher Jew who fails to stay faithful in the more important matters\nof following the Lord and having charity toward his fellows.\n\n>But then there is the bit which says that God preferes someone who is cold to\n>him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) so a lukewarm Christian someone who\n>knows and believes in God but doesn't make any attempt to live by the bible.\n\nIn the sense of faith described above, you cannot have real faith and \nbe lukewarm.  If you know God but are lukewarm (unfaithful), you are \nworse off than the person who never heard of Him.  Remember, Jesus in\nthe parable of the pearl of great price (Mat 13:45-46) and again in\nthe one on the treasure hidden in the field (Mat 13:44) indicates that\nthe price of the Kingdom of God is *all* we have.\n\n[I agree with you in general, including the fact that \"pistis\" has\nsome of the force of \"faithful\".  However if you take that too far,\nyou can end up with something that Paul definitely would not have\nintended.  Being faithful means following God in all things.  To say\nthat we are saved by being faithful is very close to saying that we\nare saved by commiting no sins.  I assume that's not what you meant.\n\nI have almost given up on finding a specific verbal formula that\ncompletely captures this.  However I think Paul is describing what I'd\ncall a basic orientation, including aspects such as trust and\ncommitment.  Jesus speaks of it as rebirth, which implies a basic\nchange.  We may still do things that are sinful, and may fail to show\nthe new life in Christ in many situations where we should.  But in any\nChristian there had better be the basic change in orientation that\nJesus calls being born again.\n\n--clh]\n","2013":"From: bassili@cs.arizona.edu (Amgad Z. Bassili)\nSubject: Copt-Net Newsletter[4]\nLines: 18\n\nThis is to let you know that the fourth issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter \nhas been issued. The highlights of this issue include:\n\n\n 1. Easter Greating: Christ is risen; Truly he is risen!\n 2. The Holy Family in Egypt (part 1)\n 3. Anba Abraam, the Friend of the Poor (part 4)\n 4. A review of the Coptic Encyclopedia\n 5. A new Dictionary of the Coptic Language\n\n\nThis Newsletter has been prepared by  members  of  Copt-Net,  a  forum\nwhere news, activities, and services of  the  Coptic Orthodox Churches\nand  Coptic communities outside Egypt are coordinated  and  exchanged.\nIf you want your name to be included in the mailing  list, or have any  \nquestions please contact Nabil Ayoub at <ayoub@erctitan.me.wisc.edu>.\n\nCopt-Net Editorial Board\n","2014":"From: tjo@scr.siemens.com (Tom Ostrand)\nSubject: Radio for Toyota Tercel\nKeywords: radio,Tercel,replacement\nNntp-Posting-Host: bugatti.siemens.com\nOrganization: Siemens Corporate Research, Princeton (Plainsboro), NJ\nLines: 19\n\nI'm looking for a replacement radio\/tape player for a 1984 \nToyota Tercel.  Standard off-the-shelf unit is fine, but \nevery place I've gone to (Service Merchandise, etc.) doesn't \nhave my car in its model application book.  I want to just \ntake out the old radio, and slide in the new, with minimal time\nspent hooking it up and adjusting the dashboard.\n\nIf you have put in a new unit in a similar car, I'd like to hear\nwhat brand,  how easy it was to do the change, and any other \nrelevant information. \n\nPlease answer via E-mail.\nThanks,  Tom Ostrand\n\n-- \nTom Ostrand\t\t\tE-mail:  tjo@scr.siemens.com\nSiemens Corporate Research\tPhone:   609-734-6569\n755 College Road East\t\tFAX:     609-734-6565\nPrinceton, NJ  08540-6668\n","2015":"From: jplee@cymbal.calpoly.edu (JASON LEE)\nSubject: Re: Ryan out for 2-5 weeks!!\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 12\n\nAnd then cs1442aq@news.uta.edu (cs1442aq) quoth:\n>Nolan Ryan has torn cartlidge inhis right knee.  Is having surgery and\n>is expected to miss 2-5 weeks.  \n\nThat's too bad.  I really had hoped Nolan could end his career with a great\nyear.  I suppose there is still hope.\n\n-- \nJason Lee   jplee@oboe.calpoly.edu   jlee@cash.busfac.calpoly.edu    Giants\ne ^ i*pi + 1 = 0    The most beautiful equation in mathematics.      Magic\nFor all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these:          Number:\n     \"It might have been.\"            John Greenleaf Whittier        155\n","2016":"From: gjp@sei.cmu.edu (George Pandelios)\nSubject: Re: HELP: Need DIAGNOSTIC DISK for my COMPAQ DESKPRO 286.\nOrganization: The Software Engineering Institute\nLines: 29\n\n\nIn article <Apr.11.20.16.21.1993.26848@clam.rutgers.edu>, steuer@clam.rutgers.edu (robert Steuer) writes:\n|> My emergency management group was given about 30 COMPAQ DESKPRO 286's\n|> from a local company as they were outdated.  Problem is though, it\n|> seems that the CMOS settings cannot be set without this Diagnostic\n|> Disk.\n|> We get this error msg on boot up:\n|> 162-System Options Not Set-(Run Setup)\n|>     Insert DIAGNOSTIC diskette in Drive A:\n|> \n|> If someone has this disk, please e-mail me.  Thank You!\n|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n|> | Robert M. Steuer               Amateur Radio: KF2EK@N3FOA.#EPA.PA.USA.NA    |\n|> | Rutgers University             Internet: steuer@clam.rutgers.edu            |\n|> | VHF Repeater System            Cherry Hill, NJ - KF2EK Repeater 145.370MHz  |\n|> | Computer Operating System      OS\/2 2.0 - Why settle for less?              |\n|> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nRobert,\n\nYou have probably solved your problem by now.  Anyway, if you can get your\nhands on QA Plus (version 4.21, maybe others as well), it will let you write\nthe COMPAQ CMOS settings.  I know because I just did it. \n\nI was just about to search for such a diagnostic disk when my brother-in-law \nfixed an old DESKPRO with it.  You might try the simtel mirror FTP sites.\n\nGeorge\n\n","2017":"From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)\nSubject: Re: Gritz\/JBS\/Liberty Lobby\/LaRouche\/Christic Insitute\/Libertarian\/....\nOrganization: Purdue University Statistics Department\nLines: 49\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.082102.4155@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> f_gautjw@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:\n>In article <KCKLUGE.93Apr16155756@krusty.eecs.umich.edu>, kckluge@eecs.umich.edu (Karl Kluge) writes:\n\n>> \n>> ...and I'm sure that people who were big fans of fuedalism pissed and\n>> moaned about the emergence of the modern nation-state. Imagine, the King\n>> allowing serfs their freedom if they could live in the city for a year!\n>> Times change, technology changes, viable forms of social organization\n>> change. While concerns about preserving Western notions of civil liberties\n>> in the face of cultures with very different values is a valid one, it's\n>> a waste of effort to try to turn back the tide. It's much smarter to focus\n>> on trying to make sure that the emerging forms of social organization are\n\n>\n>\tYour response is yet another sign of the trend towards One World\n>Government.  Many people such as yourself, who are otherwise probably\n>likeable and intelligent, show every sign of having been successfully\n>brainwashed.  You don't recognize that your \"inevitable tide\" is rolling\n>into chaos and in no way represents an advance for civilization.  Some\n>of us do indeed \"lament the passing of old forms\", such as the Bill of\n>Rights, which are indeed inalienable rights of man that cannot be\n>changed, transferred or surrendered...rights of man that far transcend\n\n>\n>\tYes, Napoleon wanted a Grand New Order.  Hitler wanted a\n>Thousand Year Reich.  Lenin knew that Bolshevism would give us the\n>Universal New Man.  The New World Order is just so much of the same\n>old tired garbage.  The pathetic part is that so many Americans seem\n\n\"Put not your trust in princes\" is the Biblical proverb.  The modern\nanalog is governments.  At the time of the founding of the US, the\nidea that citizens had rights above those of the government was not\nthat common, but was explicit in the writings of the founders.  To a\nconsiderable extent, Englishmen also had those rights.\n\nYes, times change, and technology changes.  The possibility of \na few governments enserfing all of mankind was not possible until\nquite recently.  In the feudal system, the lord was almost as\nrestricted as the serfs, so having the people enserf themselves\ndoes not make anything better; most feudal lords, and even most\nslaveowners, did not mistreat those under them.\n\nFreedom of speech and freedom of religion are under real attack NOW.\n\n-- \nHerman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399\nPhone: (317)494-6054\nhrubin@snap.stat.purdue.edu (Internet, bitnet)  \n{purdue,pur-ee}!snap.stat!hrubin(UUCP)\n","2018":"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)\nSubject: Re: Braves Pitching UpdateDIR\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.214032.1@acad.drake.edu> sbp002@acad.drake.edu writes:\n> \n>> Not clear to me at all.  I'd certainly rather have a team who was winning\n>> 4-1 games than 2-1 games.  In the 2-1 game, luck is going to play a much\n>> bigger role than in the 4-1 game. \n>\n>But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to\n>one run.\n\nYeah, but what's your point?  You still need the offense to score more runs\nthan you allow, too.  \n\nThe Braves do have a fine pitching staff.  But that's still only half the\ngame.  \n\nSherri Nichols\nsnichols@adobe.com\n\n\n\n\n","2019":"From: dfield@flute.calpoly.edu (InfoSpunj (Dan Field))\nSubject: Can't wear contacts after RK\/PRK?\nKeywords: radial,keratotomy,contact,lenses\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 28\n\nI love the FAQ.       \n\nThe comment about contact lenses not being an option for any remaining\ncorrection after RK and possibly after PRK is interresting.  Why is\nthis?  Does anyone know for sure whether this applies to PRK as well?\n\nAlso, why is it possible to get a correction in PRK with involvement of\nonly about 5% of the corneal depth, while RK is done to a depth of up to\n95%?  Why such a difference?  I thought the proceedures were simmilar\nwith the exception of a laser being the cutting tool in PRK.  I must not\nbe understanding all of the differences.\n\nIn the FAQ, the vision was considered less clear after the surgery than\nwith glasses alone.  If this is completly attributable to the\nintentional slight undercorrection, then it can be compensated for when\nnecessary with glasses (or contacts, if they CAN be worn afterall!).  It\nis important to know if that is not the case, however, and some other\nconsequence of the surgery would often interfere with clear vision.  The\nfirst thing that came to my mind was a fogging of the lense, which\nglasses couldn't help. \n\nwould not help.\n\n-- \n| Daniel R. Field, AKA InfoSpunj | I'm just a lowly phlebe.              |\n| dfield@oboe.calpoly.edu        |                                       |\n| Biochemistry, Biotechnology    | I'm at the phlebottom                 |\n| California Polytechnic State U | of the medical totem pole.            | \n","2020":"From: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca (John McKay)\nSubject: Lasers for dermatologists\nOriginator: mckay@alcor.concordia.ca\nNntp-Posting-Host: alcor.concordia.ca\nOrganization: Concordia University, Montreal, Quebec\nLines: 15\n\n\nHaving had limited tinea pedis for more than 30 years, and finding\nit resistant to ALL creams and powders I have tried, I wonder why\ndermatologists do not use lasers to destroy the fungus. It would\nseem likely to be effective and inexpensive. Are there good reasons\nfor not using lasers?\nI was told that dermatology had not yet reached the laser age.\n\nJohn McKay\nvax2.concordia.ca\n\n-- \nDeep ideas are simple.\n                      Odd groups are even.\n                                           Even simples are not.\n","2021":"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: Re: Schedule...\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nLines: 40\n\nmre@teal.Eng.Sun.COM (Mike Eisler) writes:\n>gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes:\n>>I can't believe that ESPN is making SportsChannel America look good.\n>\n>But only in NY,NJ, Philadelphia, and Chicago. Everywhere else, the only\n>reason SportsChannel was available was for local baseball broadcasts.\n\nYes, a point well-taken ... however, even in areas that finally got\nsome games, there's something nagging in the back of your skull when\nthe network that has the national rights in its pocket says on its\nsports news, \"There's an awesome overtime going on in Quebec City,\nand we'll *try* to get you an update through the show ...\" when you\nknow that it's on a satellite's feedhorn somewhere up there ...\n\n>If people want hockey on TV, they should watch hockey on TV. I bet \n>the ratings for hockey on Sunday on ABC went into the toilet. \n\nFrom today's Times, ABC got great ratings in Chicago and St. Louis (a\n4.2), and the Kings-Flames got a 2.9 on the West Coast, but only a 2.2\nin metro New York (i.e., the Devils squandered their newfound support\nfrom a year ago when they played the Rangers )-;).  In comparison,\nSeniors Golf did better ...\n\n>Next week, there will be far fewer ABC affiliates with hockey.\n\nI fear that the overall national numbers will not be so great ...\nI can't tell if ABC did any advance marketing or not, 'cos I don't\nwatch much TV ... the NHL should have made sure that it was solid\non cable before going on the air.  Even ESPN could've sold second\nrights to third party systems (i.e., non-SportsChannel) since they\nare not making any extra money by sitting on the games ... hockey\nfans will not necessarily be watching pre-season beach volleyball\nif playoffs games aren't being shown somewhere ...\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n","2022":"From: pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey)\nSubject: Ignorance is BLISS, was Is it good that Jesus died?\nOrganization: The Duck Pond public unix: +1 408 249 9630, log in as 'guest'.\n\t<1993Apr17.010734.23670@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> \n\t<sandvik-170493104859@sandvik-kent.apple.com>\nLines: 7\n\nIn article <sandvik-170493104859@sandvik-kent.apple.com> \nsandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n>Ignorance is not bliss!\n\nIgnorance is STRENGTH!\n\nHelp spread the TRUTH of IGNORANCE!\n","2023":"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)\nSubject: Re: BATF\/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4\/19\nNntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <lt8keoINN31v@appserv.Eng.Sun.COM> fiddler@concertina.Eng.Sun.COM (steve hix) writes:\n>In article <C5sIAJ.Ks7@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n>>\n>>Why didn't they release the children weeks ago?\n>\n>It would have been inconsistent behavior for them to have done so.\n>\n>Some people believe that there is more to life than the physical requirements.\n>\n>These folks believed that the generally-held standards of the surrounding\n>community (heck, most of the world) were morally wrong, and letting the\n>children be abandoned to this (godless\/unbelieving) culture would be condeming\n>them to eternal loss and separation from God.\n>\n>By their standards, letting the children go would be abandoning them to a fate\n>literally worse than death.\n>\n>The FBI (and BATF and media) people working on the issue, I suspect,\n>just couldn't get their heads into a similar-enough (to say nothing of\n>identical) mode of thinking to realize what they were doing.\n>\n>Physically, there was no reason why the BD's shouldn't have given up and come\n>out a long time ago.\n>\n>From the point of view of the BD's, they were up against the wall and had nowhere\n>to go at all.\n>\n>They apparently really did love their kids too much to abandon them to a godless\n>bunch of outsiders...although the end result was horribly twisted.\n>\n>I didn't say the BD's were right, I just said that that's the way they perceived\n>it.\n>\n>Koresh was a nutcase, and a bunch of other people paid for that.\n>\n>And the FBI and BATF miscalculated and misunderstood what was going on from the\n>word go.\n\nVery likely possible.  Reminds me of the movie \"The Rapture\".\n\n>\n>-- \n>-------------------------------------------------------\n>| Some things are too important not to give away      |\n>| to everybody else and have none left for yourself.  |\n>|------------------------ Dieter the car salesman-----|\n\n\n-- \n\n\n","2024":"From: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (Daniel McCoy)\nSubject: R4 Version of xrecplay\nReply-To: mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\nOrganization: I-NET Inc.\nLines: 14\n\nI have and use xrecplay for X11R5.  Does one exist for X11R4???\n\nI have tried to contact one of the developers, Eric Swildens, at\ness@hal.com but he is no longer there and has no forwarding email\naddress.  Archie is no help either.\n\nAny help would be appreciated.  Thanks,\n\n---\nDaniel J. McCoy           |=> SPACE  <=|                   I-NET, Inc.\nNASA Mail Code PT4        |=> IS     <=|             TEL: 713-483-0950\nNASA\/Johnson Space Center |=> OUR    <=|             FAX: 713-244-5698\nHouston, Texas 77058      |=> FUTURE <=| mccoy@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov\n\n","2025":"From: schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel)\nSubject: Re: HINT 486 VLB\/ISA\/EISA motherboard\nKeywords: 486, motherboard\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <id.XNFZ.VJ8@nmti.com> korenek@nmti.com (gary korenek) writes:\n>In article <C5ovwv.LMo@news.iastate.edu> schauf@iastate.edu (Brian J Schaufenbuel) writes:\n>>I am looking at buying some Companion brand VLB\/ISA\/EISA motherboards with\n>>HINT chipsets.  Has anybody had any experience with this board (good or bad)?\n>>Any information would be helpful!\n>>thanks\n>>Brian J Schaufenbuel\n>\n>\n>I believe that any VL\/EISA\/ISA motherboard that uses the HINT chipset\n>is limited to 24-bit EISA DMA (where 'real' EISA DMA is 32-bit).  The\n>HINT EISA DMA has the 16 mb ram addressing limitation of ISA.  For this\n>reason I would pass.  I own one of these (HAWK VL\/EISA\/ISA) and am look-\n>ing to replace it for exactly this reason.\n>\n>Please double-check me on this.  In other words, call the motherboard\n>manufacturer and ask them if the motherboard supports true 32-bit EISA\n>DMA.\n>\n>Other than this limitation, the motherboard works quite well (I am using\n>mine with DOS 5, Windows 3.1, and UNIX S5R3.2).  Also with Adaptec 1742a\n>EISA SCSI host adapter.\n>\n>-- \n>Gary Korenek   (korenek@nmti.com)\n>Network Management Technology Incorporated\n>Sugar Land, Texas       (713) 274-5357\n\n\nYou are correct!  The motherboard manufacturer where I usually buy boards says\nthat they will have this problem fixed in about two weeks...\n-- \n_______________________________________- Brian Schaufenbuel____________________\n| Brian J Schaufenbuel [ \"There is no art which one government sooner learns  ]\n| Helser 3644 Halsted  [  than that of draining money from the pockets of the ]\n| Ames, Ia  50012      [  people [especially college students].\" - Adam Smith ]\n","2026":"From: bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov (Brian Day)\nSubject: Re: 8051 Microcontroller\nOrganization: NASA\/MSFC\nLines: 12\n\nmcole@spock (COLE) writes:\n\n>I would like to experiment with the INTEL 8051 family.  Does anyone out  \n>there know of any good FTP sites that might have compiliers, assemblers,  \n>etc.?\n\nTry lyman.pppl.gov -- \/pub\/8051\n\n-- \nBrian Day                                       bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov\nNew Technology, Inc.                            (205) 461-4584\nMission Software Development Division           Opinions are my own -\n","2027":"From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block)\nSubject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.\nArticle-I.D.: reed.1993Apr20.230749.12821\nOrganization: Reed College, Portland, Oregon\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <sehari.735331566@marge.ecss.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:\n>---\n>\n>I was wondering, what copy protection techniques are avaliable, and how\n>effective are they?  Has anyone have any experience in this area?\n>\n>                      With highest regards,\n>                           Babak   Sehari.\n\n\tUh oh...\n\tUmm, there are a number of copy protection schemes.  Some involve\nmodifying the physical media, and some involve encryption schemes, &c.\n\tAll of the ones that have existed over the course of computing have\nbeen successful for a time.  I recall, however, near monthly releases of new\nways to \"crack\" the copy protection scheme of the latest releases.  The fact\nis, none of them are completely secure, or anywhere near it.  Some are more or\nless difficult to crack, and some have already been cracked.\n\tI guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not\nimpossible, to answer.  What exactly do you want to know?  Do you need a good\none for a project you are working on?  How secure must it be?  Are you trying\nto crack one that someone else has used?  I can probably make suggestions,\nassuming the activity is strictly legal.  (In general, it is a BAD idea,\nlegally, to tamper with copy protection.  It can also lead to corruption of\nfiles which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy\nprotected,) which can be devestating.)  Do you have absolutely no ideas for\npractical applications, and are merely curious?\n\tPlease clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I\ncan.\n\n\tIncidentally, the \"Uh oh...\" at the top is indicative of the dread\nanyone who has watched their friends hacking equipment be carted off feels\nwhen they are asked how to hack.  The area you are broaching is wrought with\ndangers, many of which include breaking the law, or at least addressing it\n(from one side or the other.)\n\nMatt\n","2028":"From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley)\nSubject: Electronics\nSummary: here they are\nNntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu\nOrganization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 20\n\n \nPanasonic KX-T3000H, Combo black cordless & speaker phone all in one.\n new- $160, now- $100 + shipping OBO.\n \nCurtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes.\n Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR.\n paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO.\n \nRadio Shack stereo amp.  2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume.  Speakers\n not included.  $20 plus shipping.\n \nIf you are interested in either of the above mail me at\n radley@gibbs.out.unc.edu.\n\n        _\n    _  \/\/       Major: Computer Science              \/<eith Radley\n    \\\\\/\/        Minor:     English              Radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu\n     \\\/      Computer:   AMIGA 3000           University of North Carolina\n\n\n","2029":"From:  (Sean Garrison)\nSubject: Re: Fenway Gif\nNntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu\nOrganization: Yale University\nLines: 11\n\nI'd love to see a Shea Stadium gif.\n\n\n                                    -Sean\n\n\n\n*******************************************************************************\n  \"Behind the bag!\"\n            - Vin Scully\n*******************************************************************************\n","2030":"From: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum)\nSubject: Re: rejoinder. Questions to Israelis\nReply-To: aa229@Freenet.carleton.ca (Steve Birnbaum)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 71\n\n\nIn a previous article, cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) says:\n\n>6. Your answer to the question concerning rights to return\n>conflicts with what I was told, namely that hundreds of thousands\n>of non-Jews who left for some reason or other the area under\n>Israel control during the war of 1947-8, were prevented from\n>returning for the sole reason they were not Jews. Jews who also\n>left, for example to Europe, to avoid the clashes, were allowed to\n>return. How can you justify such discrimination, if this is true ?\n>Is the mere fact of a person leaving area of combat to seek refuge\n>somewhere else a reason for stripping him of his right to live in\n>his homeland ?\n\nYou are conveniently ommitting the fact that the Arab governments told the\nArab citizens of Israel to leave Israel, join with the Arab armies so that\nafter what they felt like an assured victory occured, these Arabs could\nreturn to their former homes, reclaim them as well as anything else they\nwanted that belonged to Jews.  When the Arabs lost, Israel was left with\na bunch of people who has just tried to kill them who now wanted back\ninto the country as citizens.  What would you have done?  Let them in so\nthey could kill Jews?  Israel sees those Arabs who stayed as citizens \nbecause they were loyal to Israel during the war and didn't leave.  Of\ncourse some Arabs could have left to avoid the fighting but distinguishing\nbetween the two is impossible.  Therefore a decision was made based on\nsecuturity of the country.\n\n>8.  You maintain that there are some Israeli Arabs living in\n>Israeli kibbutzim. I wonder how many and where. There is very\n>little evidence available about that. As much as I know, many\n>Arabs are working *for* kibbutzim, even for many years, but are\n>not accepted as members. Could it be that kibbutzim do not want\n>Arabs ?\n\nNo kibbutz that I have ever visited has any \"employees\" unless they had to\nhire some people for the restaurants, hotels etc if there weren't enough \npeople ON the kibbutz to do them.  In such cases, they are paid properly.\nIf a kibbutz turns away an Arab, 9I have never seen or heard of this) but it\nreflects only on the membership comittee of that kibbutz, not the whole\nkibbutz movement.\n\n>to keep it what way'. I am certain that if only religious\n>communities in the U.S. would be asked, they would gladly abolish\n>civil marriage so that people would depend upon rabbis and priests\n>to officiate marriages. But Israel has always been ruled by a\n>secular majority. Your answer is not satisfactory.\n\nThis just shows how ignorant you are of Israeli politics.  Although the \nmajor parties in Israel aren't religious (however not totally secular),\ndue to the format of the government (coalition) the religious parties have\nalways had a lot of pull since they were needed to form a majority coalition.\nIn fact, from what I heard the present government is the least influenced\nby the religious parties in the existance of Israel.  Israel CANNOT be\ncalled a secular state.  For instace, Haifa is the only city in the country\n(except for maybe some Arab cities) where buses run on the Jewish Sabbath.  \nThere are many other examples of religion in Israel.  Marriages in Israel\nare NOT contolled by the state, but by Rabbis and Priests.  Obviously your \ndisbelief of this fact sheds some light of your ignorance of the country\nyou claim to know so much about.\n\n  Steve\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n|   Internet: aa229@freenet.carleton.ca              Fidonet: 1:163\/109.18   |\n|             Mossad@qube.ocunix.on.ca                                       |\n|    <<My opinions are not associated with anything, including my head.>>    |\n","2031":"Organization: City University of New York\nFrom: <F36SI@CUNYVM.BITNET>\nSubject: Re: Karadzic on Bosnia peace plan\nLines: 2\n\n      What does anyone think that Judge Wopner would do if Karadzic was\n      on trial before him?  (Nevah happen, but just a thought...)\n","2032":"From: shah@pitt.edu (Ravindra S Shah)\nSubject: Re: Nords 3 - Habs 2 in O.T. We was robbed!!\nLines: 23\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nDeepak Chhabra (dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca) wrote:\n\n: Speaking of great players, man-oh-man can Quebec skate.  I haven't seen a\n: team so potent on the rush in a long time.  Watching them break out of their\n: zone, especially Sundin, is a treat to watch.  They remind me of the Red \n: Army.  \n\n: dchhabra@stpl.ists.ca (pissed-off Habs fan)\n\nYeah, the Nords look like they're going to be good...but (excuse the\nbias) have you ever watched the Pens on a rush?...Don't answer: everyone\nhas seen this footage.  Near the end of the season when the Pens played\nthe Nords it was like watching a (younger) double of the Pens.  ...The\nNords looked good right up to the point when they lost. \n--\nRavi Shah\nshah+@pitt.edu\n\n\"La mu'sica ideas portara'  \tapprox. translation: \"Music will bring ideas\ny siempre continuara'\t\t\t\t     and will continue forever\nsonido electro'nico\t\t\t\t     electronic sound\ndecibel sinte'tico\"\t-Musique non stop-\t     synthetic decibel\"\n                           -Kraftwerk\n","2033":"From: davewood@bruno.cs.colorado.edu (David Rex Wood)\nSubject: Calling a library which creates widgets (multiple times)\nNntp-Posting-Host: bruno.cs.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 91\n\nA few days ago I posted a question about trying to call a function which set\nup an X app multiple times.  It was pointed out that XtAppInitialize() should\nnever be called more than once.  This helped.  However, I am still having\nsome problems.  Below is a new little test program that more closely models\nmy real program.  In the actual program, I am writing a library, callable\nfrom any other program.  This means that the first time the lib function is\ncalled, it must initialize things, and after that, it should just use the\nold stuff (still around because of static variables).  In the demo below,\nmain() represents the main program calling my library and doit() represents\nthe interface to the library function.\n\n#include <X11\/Xlib.h>\n#include <Xm\/Xm.h>\n#include <Xm\/PushB.h>\n#include <stdio.h>\n#include <stdlib.h>\n\nvoid bla(XtAppContext app, Widget top)\n{\n        Widget topone = top;\t\t\/\/ in real prog, these are member vars\n        XtAppContext theapp = app;\t\/\/ of a class\n        int junk = 0;\n        Display *dis = XtOpenDisplay(theapp, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0, &junk,\n                                        NULL);\n\n        Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget(\"blaaa\", xmPushButtonWidgetClass,\n                        topone,\n                        XmNheight, 50,\n                        XmNwidth, 50,\n                        NULL);\n\n        XtRealizeWidget(topone);\n        for (int i=0;i<=25;i++)\t\/\/ real prog returns when \"Exit\" button clicked\n        {\n                XEvent event;\n                XtAppNextEvent(theapp, &event);\n                XtDispatchEvent(&event);\n        }\n        XtDestroyWidget(box);\n        XtCloseDisplay(dis);\n}\n\n\/\/ SetItUp - should be called once only\nvoid SetItUp(XtAppContext *app, Widget *top)\n{\n        int junk = 0;\n        (*top)=XtAppInitialize (app, \"test\", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL,\n                NULL, NULL, 0);\n}\n\n\/\/ doit - some library function callable from the outside\nvoid doit()\n{\n        static XtAppContext app;\t\/\/ use these every time called\n        static Widget top;\n\n        static int setup = 0;\n\n        if (!setup)\n        {\n                SetItUp(&app, &top);\n                setup = 1;\n        }\n        bla(app, top);\n}\n\n\/\/ main - program which links to my library\nmain()\n{\n        for (int i=0;i<=20;i++)\n        {\n                doit();\n                printf(\"sleeping...\\n\");\/\/widget still on screen at this point\n                sleep(5);\n        }\n}\n\n\nThe problem is that the widget does not go away until the new one is created.\n(It is still on the screen -- unusuable -- during the \"sleep\" in the main prog,\ndespite the XtDestroyWidget call).\n\nAnyone see something I'm missing?\n\nThanks very much.\n\n(Please respond via email)\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2034":"From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)\nSubject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies\nOrganization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH\nLines: 15\nReply-To: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: yfn.ysu.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:\n\nMike Terry asks:\n\n>Is it possible to do a \"wheelie\" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?\n>\nNo Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects\nof the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift\noff the ground.\n-- \nDoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan\n   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of\n      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein\n         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________\n","2035":"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon W\u00e4tte)\nSubject: Re: Interesting ADB behaviour on C650\nNntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se\nOrganization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 23\n\nIn <1993Apr16.091202.15500@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:\n\n>I have heard of no such warnings from anybody at Apple. Just to be sure, I\n>asked a couple of our technicians, one of whom has been servicing Macs for\n>years. There is *no* danger of damaging logic boards by plugging and unplugging\n>ADB devices with the power on.\n\nThe problem is that the pins in the ADB connector \nare close to each other, and if you happen to bend the\ncable a little while inserting it, you short the ADB\nport. If you take it to an Apple Repair Centre, that\nmeans a new motherboard (though a component replace IS\nphysically possible)\n\nSame goes for serial ports (LocalTalk as well)\n\nCheers,\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\/ h+\n-- \n -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --\n\n   This article printed on 100% recycled electrons.\n","2036":"From: kxn3796@hertz.njit.edu (Ken Nakata CIS stnt)\nSubject: Re: Help with SIMMs\nKeywords: SIMM questions answers\nOrganization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, N.J.\nLines: 53\nNntp-Posting-Host: hertz.njit.edu\n\nIn article <C5Fu1u.pxx@austin.ibm.com> guyd@austin.ibm.com (Guy Dawson) writes:\n>\n>In article <10998@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com>, jjctc@lhdsy1.lahabra.chevron.com (James C. Tsiao) writes:\n>> In article <1993Apr12.172751.27270@fct.unl.pt> fcm@diana.fct.unl.pt (Fernando Correia Martins (MEI 1)) writes:\n>> >Spectre (spectre@nmt.edu) wrote:\n>> >: When I look at a magazine ad that says:\n[deleted]\n>> >: what exactly do the numbers mean?  (i.e.  which is the MB, ns...)\n>> >\n>> >The numbers 60, 70 and 80 refers to nanoseconds. Could someone explain\n>> >*exactly* what this numbers means? (Time spent bettwen processor's request\n>> >and answer retrieved (in case of reading)? )\n>> \n>> It means the time required for the memory to refresh,  i.e. a 1x9-60\n>> needs 60ns before it is ready to be read again.\n>\n>Nope! It's the time taken to read data from memory. It's the read time.\n>The memory will still have to be refreshed. The whole phase is called\n>a cycle, the cycle time being about twice the access time.\n\nI'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your post, but DRAM *does not* have to\nbe refreshed on *each access cycle*.  So cycle time does *not* have to be\ntwice the access time *because of refresh phase*.\n\nThe access time usually means the delay time from falling edge of raw\naddress strobe (RAS) to data bus driven.\n\nDRAM access cycle timing chart can be roughly shown as following (some\nsignals are intentionally omitted);\n\nADDR --<RA><CA>-------<RA><CA>--------- RA=Raw Address, CA=Column Address\nRAS  ~~~~\\________\/~~~~~\\________\/~~~~~\t\t~=High, _=Low, -=Floating\nCAS  ~~~~~~~\\_______\/~~~~~~\\_______\/~~~\t\t<..>=driven either H or L\nDATA ---------<VALID>--------<VALID>---\n         |-------+------|\n         |-+--|  |\n           |     +----------- cycle time\n           +---- access time (or RAS access time)\n\nYes, the cycle time is more than twice as the access time but *not*\nbecause of the refresh phase.  The refresh can be done either as a\ntrailing phase of normal access cycle or as an individual cycle.\n\n>\n[other stuff deleted]\n>\n\nKen Nakata\n-- \n\/* I apologize if there are incorrect, rude, and\/or impolite expressions in\nthis mail or post. They are not intended. Please consider that English is a\nsecond language for me and I don't have full understanding of certain words\nor each nuance of a phrase.  Thank you. -- Ken Nakata, CIS student, NJIT *\/\n","2037":"From: zappala@pollux.usc.edu (Daniel Zappala)\nSubject: Angels win!\nArticle-I.D.: pollux.1psvouINNa2l\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pollux.usc.edu\n\n\nThe Angels won their home opener against the Brewers today before 33,000+ \nat Anaheim Stadium, 3-1 on a 3-hitter by Mark Langston.  J.T. Snow and \nGary Discarcina hit home runs for the Angels.\n\nDaniel\n","2038":"From: bharper@cimlinc.uucp (Brett Harper)\nSubject: GUI Application Frameworks for Windows ??\nOrganization: CIMLINC, Inc. - Engineering\nLines: 63\n\nHello,\n  \n  I'm investigating the purchase of an Object Oriented Application Framework.  I have\ncome across a few that look good:\n\n  Zapp 1.1 from Inmark\n  Zinc 3.5 from Zinc software\n  C++\/Views from Liant\n  Win++ from Blaise\n\nSome considerations I'm using:\n\n  Being new to Windows programming (I'm from the UNIX\/X world), the quality and\nintuitivness of the abstraction that these class libraries provide is very \nimportant.  However, since I'm not adverse to learning the internals of Windows\nprogramming, the new programming methodology should be closely aligned with\nthe native one.  I don't believe arbitrary levels of abstraction, just for the\nsake of changing the API, are valuable.\n\n  Since we will be developing for the 32bit Windows NT system the\nmemory management issues and issues particular to the Windows 3.1 API are less\nimportant. \n\n  We will probably buy another C++ class library (something like Tools.h++ or Booch\ncomponents from Rational) to handle data structures and other miscellaneous stuff\n (allocators etc...).  So those features are not that important for this toolkit to have.\n\nThe two that I have narrowed it down to are ZApp and Zinc, they seem to be the two\ntoolkits that have received the most attention from the media.  I was wondering if\nanyone had any first-hand experience with any of these toolkits (especially ZApp and Zinc).\n\nA couple of observations about these toolkits that seem particularly noteworthy are:\n\nZApp\n----\n  Seems to have the most extensive coverage of Windows functionality and\n    also includes some other miscellaneous useful classes.\n  Has new fancy 3D-style controls available, and support for custom controls.\n  Has a Windows NT version (Essential)\n  Redirectable graphics display\/output architecture (useful for printing)\n  Sizer class for automatically managing control layout after resize.\n  Seems to be the newcomer, this could be an advantage in designing a better system.\n \nZinc\n----\n  Has a platform independent resource strategy.  (Not too important for me right now)\n  Comes with a interface builder tool\n  Has a Windows NT version (Essential)\n  Seems to have been around longer (more mature), but grew up out of a DOS version.  \n  Had a better demo :-)\n\nBoth have source code availability options\nBoth are lacking OLE support\nNeither seem to have any particular support for multimedia type stuff\n\n\nAny thoughts anyone has on this would be much appreciated,\n\nThanks,\n  Brett Harper\n\n\nbrett.harper@cimlinc.com\n","2039":"From: smk5@quads.uchicago.edu (Steve Kramarsky)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security)\nKeywords: cooperation\nReply-To: smk5@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.055903.5358@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes:\n>\n>\n>I say \"in theory\" because in another case, a woman was held in\n>contempt for refusing to reveal the location of her child even after\n>taking the 5th. In this case, the woman was suspected of having\n>murdered the kid, so taking the 5th wasn't surprising. Sure, so she\n>was probably guilty, but that's not good enough. In our system you're\n>not supposed to be able to force a suspect to confess to a crime, no\n>matter how strongly you think they're guilty.  You have to develop\n>your evidence independently. Doing otherwise might catch a few more\n>crooks, but only at the cost of turning the clock back to the middle\n>ages, when confessions were routinely tortured out of suspects both\n>guilty and innocent.\n>\n OK, I should have read the thread before posting my own $0.02.  I would\njust add to Phil's very infomative discussion the following caveat: the\nfifth amendment applies ONLY in crinial cases.  (\"...nor shall any person .\n. . be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself...\").\nThus if the father sued for custody of the children, the case would be\ncivil and the defendant mother would not have fifth amendment protection.\nOddly enough, her refusal to give information in a civil case can lead to\ncriminal contempt charges (thus landing her in jail.)  The interesting part\nof all this is that in a murder trial, the woman CAN plead the fifth as \nto the location of the child--this is routine.  A \"computer crime\" \nprosecution thus would seem to be fertile ground for this kind of defense, \nwhere a suit by a party injured by \"hackers\" would not.  If I am accused, \nfor example, of sending encrypted kiddie porn over the nets the fifth should \nprotect my key.  If I am accused of sending copyrighted material, however,\nit proabably will not (copyright infringement not being a \"crime\" in the\ntechnical sense.)  The REALLY tricky question is, say I do both (naughty\nboy that I am) can the government use the information gained in the civil\ntrial (ie. my key) to gain access to my files for use in the criminal\nprosecution.  The answer should certainly be no, but lord only knows how\nthis would work out.\n\nSteve.\n \n\n-- \n            Steve Kramarsky, University of Chicago Law School\n           steve@faerie.chi.il.us -or- smk5@quads.uchicago.edu \n     \"All I did was kiss a girl.\" - Jake, the night before his hanging.\n","2040":"From: easwarakv@woods.ulowell.edu\nSubject: CD'S FOR SALE\nLines: 20\nOrganization: University of Massachusetts Lowell\n\n  Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated\n  which includes shipping and handling.\n \n Achtung baby\t\t\t\tU2 *\n Joshua tree\t\t\t\tU2 **\n The immaculate collection              Madonna **  $12\n Love hurts                              Cher *\n Garth brooks                           Garth brooks *\n Red hot ..chilli peppers..               **\n OOOOOHHHHH\t\t\t\tTLC **\n Light and shadows\t\t\twilson **\n\n * Used only once.\n ** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps\n\n Please email to\n\n kGC @ woods.ulowell.edu\n\n \n","2041":"From: eacj@theory.TC.Cornell.EDU (Julian Vrieslander)\nSubject: Re: Recommendations for removable storage media wanted\nOrganization: Cornell Theory Center\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: theory.tc.cornell.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.115511.28278@kth.se> d88-jwa@eufrat.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte) writes:\n>If you have no friends, buy a 128 MB optical\n\nHuh?  If I buy a 128M optical, I might lose my friends?  Why - do they\nsmell bad?\n\n:-)\n\n\n>and stop worrying about cartridge wear (Bernoulli) or crashes (SyQuest)\n\nOn a serious note, I have heard the tales about SyQuest failures.  But I\nam curious about Jon's comments on cartridge wear for the the Bernoullis.\nCan someone elaborate?  Is there a general consensus that the 128M opticals\nare the most reliable?  I am mostly concerned about media failures, as\nopposed to drive mechanism failures.\n-- \nJulian Vrieslander \nNeurobiology & Behavior, Mudd Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca NY 14853    \nINTERNET: eacj@theory.tc.cornell.edu     BITNET: eacj@crnlthry\nUUCP: ..cornell!batcomputer!eacj\n","2042":"From: nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines)\nSubject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nIn-Reply-To: todd@phad.la.locus.com's message of Wed, 21 Apr 93 16:28:00 GMT\nOriginator: nickh@SNOW.FOX.CS.CMU.EDU\nNntp-Posting-Host: snow.fox.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon University\n\t<1993Apr21.162800.168967@locus.com>\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.162800.168967@locus.com> todd@phad.la.locus.com (Todd Johnson) writes:\n\n   As for advertising -- sure, why not?  A NASA friend and I spent one\n   drunken night figuring out just exactly how much gold mylar we'd need\n   to put the golden arches of a certain American fast food organization\n   on the face of the Moon.  Fortunately, we sobered up in the morning.\n\nHmmm. It actually isn't all that much, is it? Like about 2 million\nkm^2 (if you think that sounds like a lot, it's only a few tens of m^2\nper burger that said organization sold last year). You'd be best off\nwith a reflective substance that could be sprayed thinly by an\nunmanned craft in lunar orbit (or, rather, a large set of such craft).\nIf you can get a reasonable albedo it would be visible even at new\nmoon (since the moon itself is quite dark), and _bright_ at full moon.\nYou might have to abandon the colour, though.\n\nBuy a cheap launch system, design reusable moon -> lunar orbit\nunmanned spraying craft, build 50 said craft, establish a lunar base\nto extract TiO2 (say: for colour you'd be better off with a sulphur\ncompound, I suppose) and some sort of propellant, and Bob's your\nuncle.  I'll do it for, say, 20 billion dollars (plus changes of\nidentity for me and all my loved ones). Delivery date 2010.\n\nCan we get the fast-food chain bidding against the fizzy-drink\nvendors? Who else might be interested?\n\nWould they buy it, given that it's a _lot_ more expensive, and not\nmuch more impressive, than putting a large set of several-km\ninflatable billboards in LEO (or in GEO, visible 24 hours from your\nkey growth market). I'll do _that_ for only $5bn (and the changes of\nidentity).\n\nNick Haines nickh@cmu.edu\n","2043":"From: dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe)\nSubject: Re: Sabbath Admissions 5of5\nOrganization: Florida State University\nLines: 227\n\nSomeone sent me this FAQ by E-mail and I post my response here.\n\n[I'm not enforcing the inclusion limits on this FAQ because most\nof our readers probably haven't seen it.  --clh]\n\nChrist warns that anyone who \"breaks one of the least of these\ncommandments *and* teaches otheres to do the same will be called least in\nthe kingdom of heaven\" (Matt. 5:19.  This FAQ is so full of error that I\nmust respond to it.  I hope that whoever maintains will remove from it the\npartisan theology.\n\n| > Brothers and Sisters,\n| > \n| >   Being new to the faith and examining the Decalogue closely, I've noticed the\n| > fourth commandment is pretty specific about \"keeping the Sabbath day.\"  It\n| > states the 7th day( Saturday ) is the Sabbath while most Christian religions\n| > keep( or atleast go to church ) on Sunday.  What's up?\n| \n| This is a frequently asked question.  Every time it arises, it causes\n| months of debate.  So let me see if I can answer you directly.\n| Basically it's because the Law was given to Moses as part of a\n| specific covenanent with the Jews.  Most of us aren't Jews, so we\n| aren't part of that covenant.  There was an argument early in\n| Christian history about whether the Mosaic laws should apply to\n| Gentiles who became Christians.  You can see the account of this\n| debate in Acts 15.  The main question there was circumcision, but\n| keeping the Sabbath would be part of it as well.  The apostles\n| concluded that we need not become Jews in order to become Christians,\n| and therefore that rules such as circumcision did not apply to us.\n\n1.  The law was known to man before it was revealed on Mount Sinai.  Rom\n4:15 notes that \"where no law is, there is no transgression.\"  Not only\ndid sin exist before Sinai (Eden), but the Sabbath was kept before it\nwas revealed on Sinai (Ex 16).\n\n2.  The problem with the first covenant was not the law, but the promise\nwhich undergirded it.  God wanted to perform his will in the lives of the\npeople, but in their ignorance after 400 years of slavery, they promised\n\"what ever He says to do we will do.\"  That is why the new covenant is\nbased on \"better promises\" (Heb. 8:6).  Rather than do away with the law\nGod promised to \"put my laws in their minds and write them on their\nhearts\" (Heb. 8:10).\n\n3.  Including the Sabbath in the Acts 15 is selective inclusion.  The\nSabbath was more important to the Jews than circumcision.  If any attempt\nhad been made to do away with the Sabbath the reaction would have been\neven more strident than is recorded in Acts 15.  Do not confuse the weekly\nSabbath of the Decalogue with the ceremonial sabbaths which could occur at\nany time of the week and were part of the law (ceremonial) which was\n*added* because of transgression (of the moral law) (Gal 3:19).\n\n4.  Israel stands for God's people of all time.  That is why God *grafted*\nthe Gentiles in.  Roma 9:4 says that the adoption, the glory, the\ncovenants, the giving of the law, the service of God and the promises\nbelong to Israelites.   In explanation Paul makes it clear that being born\ninto Israel is not enough \"For they are not all Israel, which are of\nIsrael\" v 6.  Then in Gal 3:19 he says \"if ye be Christ's, then are ye\nAbraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.\"  All Christians are\nAbraham's seed, Jews, Israelites.  Not physically, for that is not the\ncriterion, but spiritually.  We are joint heirs with Jesus based on the\npromise God made to all his people the Israelites.\n\n| \n| While Christians agree that the OT Laws do not all apply to us,\n| because some of them are part of a specific covenanent with the Jews,\n| we also expect to see some similarity between the things God expected\n| from the Jews and the things he expects from us.  After all, it's the\n| same God.  However there are several ways of dealing with this.\n| \n| These days the most common approach is to separate the OT commandments\n| into \"moral\" and \"ceremonial\".  Ceremonial commandments apply only to\n| the Jews.  They are part of the specific Mosaic covenant.  These are\n| thinsg like the kosher laws and circumcision.  Moral laws apply to\n| everyone.  Most of the 10 commands are part of the moral law, except\n| for the commandment about the Sabbath.  I believe most people who take\n| this approach would say that the specific requirement to worship on\n| the Sabbath is part of the ceremonial law, but a general obligation to\n| worship regularly is part of the general moral law.  Thus Christians\n| are free to choose the specific time we worship.\n\nPeople would probably agree but they are wrong.  How can the Sabbath\ncommandment be ceremonial when it is part of a law which predates the\nceremonial laws?  You are not free to choose your time of worship.  Even\nif you were why do you follow a day of worship which has its origins in pagan\nsun worship.  Would you rather give up a day which God blessed,\nsanctified, and hallowed in exchange for one which all church leaders\nagree has not biblical foundation (see Sabbath Admissions in\nsoc.religion.christian.bible-study).\n| \n| A more radical approach (which is generally connected with John Calvin\n| and the Reformed tradition) says that the Law as a whole is no longer\n| binding.  Instead, we are entirely under grace, and our behavior\n| should be guided solely by love.  Portions of the OT Law are still\n| useful as guidance.  But they are not properly speaking legally\n| binding on us.  In practice most people who take this position do not\n| believe it is safe to leave Christians without moral guidannce.  While\n| we may no longer be under Law, as sinners, it's not safe for us to go\n| into situations with no principles to guide us.  We're too good at\n| self-justification for that to be safe.  Thus Christians do have moral\n| guidance, from things like Jesus' teachings, Paul's advice, etc.\n| These may not be precisely a Law, but they serve much the same\n| function as, and have largely the same content as, the \"moral law\" in\n| the previous analysis.  While Calvin would deny that we have a fixed\n| legal responsibility to worship on any specific day, he would say that\n| given human weakness, the discipline of regular worship is important.\n| \nI do not care what Calvin or any theologian says.  My guide is what God\nsays.  If being not under the law means we do not have to keep the law,\nwhy is it that the only section of the law we have trouble with is the\nSabbath commandment, which is the only one God thought was important\nenough to say *REMEMBER*?  If you study the word deeply you will note that\nthe message is that we are no longer under the condemnation of the law but\nfreed by the grace of God.  If a cop pulls me over for speeding, then in\ncourt I ask for mercy and the judge does not throw the book at me but gives me\ngrace, do I walk out of the court saying \"I can now go on speeding, for I\nam now under grace?\"  Being under grace I now drive within the speed\nlimit.  Paul adds to it in Rom. 3:31 \"Di we then make void the law through\nfaith?  God forbid: yea, we establish the law.\"  \"Wherefore the law is\nholy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good\" (Rom. 7:12).\n\n| In both analyses, the specific day is not an issue.  As a matter of\n| tradition, we worship on Sunday as a memorial of Christ's\n| resurrection.  There's some debate about what Acts shows about early\n| Christian worship.  The most common analysis is that is shows Jewish\n| Christians continuing to go to Jewish services on the Sabbath, but\n| that specifically Christian service were not necessarily held then.\n| Act 20:7 shows worship on the first day (Sunday), and I Cor 16:2 also\n| implies gatherings on that day.\n| \n| There are a few groups that continue to believe Christians have to\n| worship on the Sabbath (Saturday).  The best-known are the Seventh-Day\n| Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses.  They argue that Act 20:7 is not a\n| regular worship service, but a special meeting to see Paul off, and\n| that I Cor 16:2 doesn't explicitly say it's a regular worship service.\n\nDo you prefer implication to fact?  A careful study of the Acts 20 shows\nthat the meeting was on Saturday night and that on Sunday morning Paul did\nnot go to a worship service, but set off on a long journey by foot to\nAssos.  In ICor 16 there is no way you can equate \"lay by him in store\"\nwith \"go to a worship service.\"\n| \n| It's clear that this issue was a contested one in Paul's time.  See\n| Rom 14:5.  Paul's advice is that we should be very careful about\n| judging each other on issues like this.  One person sees a specific\n| day as mandated by God, while another does not.  He who observes that\n| specific day does it in honor of the Lord.  He who believes his\n| worship is free of such restrictions also does it in honor of the\n| Lord.  (Those who believe that the Sabbath is still mandated argue\n| that Paul is not referring to Sabbath worship here.  Note however Col\n| 2:16, which says something similar but briefer.  It explicitly\n| mentions Sabbath.)\n\nWrong.  These are the sabbath days of the ceremonial law, not the Sabbath\nday of the moral law.\n| \n| There are some differences among Christians about use of the word\n| \"Sabbath\".  Originally the term referred to the 7th Day, the Jewish\n| day of worship.  Many Christians now use it to refer to Sunday, the\n| day of Christian worship.  They do this largely so that they can apply\n| the 4th (or whatever -- there are a couple of different numbering\n| schemes) commandment to it.  Reformed tradition does not do this.  It\n| distinguishes between the Sabbath -- which is the observance mandated\n| for Jews, and the Lord's Day -- which is the free Christian worship.\n| (The only reference I can find to this in the NT is Rev 1:10.)  There\n| are also differences about laws regarding this day.  Many Christians\n| support \"blue laws\", both in secular law and church law, setting aside\n| that day and causing people to spend it in worship.  The more radical\n| anti-legal approach sees such regulations as a return to the Jewish\n| Sabbath, which is not appropriate to the free Christian worship of the\n| Lord's Day.\n| \nWhy would you prefer to twist and turn, relying on different arguments\nwhich conflict with each other, rather than obey a simple request from a\nGod who loved you enough to die for you.  Jesus died because the law could\nnot be changed.  Why bother to die in order to meet the demands of a\nbroken law if all you need to do is change the law.  Penalties for law\nbreaking means the law is immutable.  That is why it is no sin not to\nfollow the demands of the ceremonial laws.  It will always be a sin to\nmake false gods, to violate God's name, to break the Sabbath, to steal, to\nkill, etc.  Except it you disagree.  But then your opinion has no weight\nwhen placed next to the word of God.\n\nDarius\n\n[It's not clear how much more needs to be said other than the FAQ.  I\nthink Paul's comments on esteeming one day over another (Rom 14) is\nprobably all that needs to be said.  I accept that Darius is doing\nwhat he does in honor of the Lord.  I just wish he might equally\naccept that those who \"esteem all days alike\" are similarly doing\ntheir best to honor the Lord.\n\nHowever I'd like to be clear that I do not think there's unambiguous\nproof that regular Christian worship was on the first day.  As I\nindicated, there are responses on both of the passages cited.\n\nThe difficulty with both of these passages is that they are actually\nabout something else.  They both look like they are talking about\nnnregular Christian meetings, but neither explicitly says \"and they\ngathered every Sunday for worship\".  We get various pieces of\ninformation, but nothing aimed at answering this question.  \n\nAct 2:26 describes Christians as participating both in Jewish temple\nworship and in Christian communion services in homes.  Obviously the\ntemple worship is on the Sabbath.  Acts 13:44 is an example of\nChristians participating in them.  Unfortunately it doesn't tell us\nwhat day Christians met in their houses.  Acts 20:7, despite Darius'\nconfusion, is described by Acts as occuring on Sunday.  (I see no\nreason to impose modern definitions of when days start, when the\nBiblical text is clear about what was meant.)  The wording implies to\nme that this was a normal meeting.  It doesn't say they gathered to\nsee Paul off, but that when they were gathered for breaking bread,\nPaul talked about his upcoming travel.  But that's just not explicit\nenough to be really convincing.  Similarly with 1 Cor 16:2.  It says\nthat on the first day they should set aside money for Paul's\ncollection.  Now if you want to believe that they gathered specially\nto do this, or that they did it in their homes, I can't disprove it,\nbut the obvious time for a congregation to take an offering would be\nwhen they normally gather for worship, and if they were expected to do\nit in their homes there would be no reason to mention a specific day.\nSo I think the most obvious reading of this is that \"on the first day\nof every week\" simply means every time they gather for worship.  \n\nI think the reason we have only implications and not clear statements\nis that the NT authors assumed that their readers knew when Christian\nworship was.\n\n--clh]\n","2044":"From: fath@mbcrr.dfci.harvard.edu (Michael Fath)\nSubject: HELP:  looking for Cleveland Sports Mailing List Info\nOrganization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mbcrr.harvard.edu\n\nI'm looking for the address to join the Cleveland Sports Mailing List.\nIf anyone knows it, I would be greatful if they could email a copy of\nit to me.  If you are a member, just mail me one of the List's letters.\nI could probably figure it out from there.\n\nThanks!\n\n\n\n-- \nMM   MM FFFFF \tMichael J. Fath\t\t\nM M M M F\tDept of Microbiology and Molecular Genetics\nM  M  M FFF     Harvard Medical School         \nM     M F       Boston, MA 02115\t            fath@mbcrr.harvard.edu\n","2045":"From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)\nSubject: Bike advice\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 11\n\nI have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80.  It is in mint condition and starts on the first\nkick EVERY time.  I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it.  I\nwas told I should ask around $900.  Does that sound right or should it be\nhigher\/lower?\n    Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7.  How much do I have to spend, and what\nyear should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg????\n    Thanks for the help!\n\n                                                    Rob Fusi\n                                                    rwf2@lehigh.edu\n-- \n","2046":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\n\ndace@shrike.und.ac.za (Roy Dace) writes:\n\n>Keith Allan Schneider (keith@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:\n\n>Some soldiers are dependent on religion, for a number of purposes.\n>And some are no doubt dependent on cocaine, yet I don't see the military paying\n>for coca fields.\n\nWhile religion certainly has some benefits in a combat situation, what are\nthe benefits of cocaine?\n\nkeith\n","2047":"From: Mike Diack <mike-d@staff.tc.umn.edu>\nSubject: NuBus NTSC Genlock card f\/sale\nX-Xxdate: Sat, 17 Apr 93 02:54:45 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: dialup-slip-1-97.gw.umn.edu\nOrganization: persian cat & carpet co.\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d7\nLines: 5\n\n\"Computer Friends\" nubus card - good for doing graphics overlays on\nyour videos etc. $275 with apple 8 bit vid card, $225 without. Wont\nsell vid card separately. UPS (U pay shipping).\ncheers\nMike.\n","2048":"From: mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen)\nSubject: Re: Pens Info needed\nNntp-Posting-Host: romulus.math.jyu.fi\nOrganization: University of Jyvaskyla, Finland\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.171319.13467@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> nlu@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Nelson Lu) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr16.074054.3124@jyu.fi> mikkot@romulus.math.jyu.fi (Mikko Tarkiainen) writes:\n>\n>>Coaching news: \n>>\t       Vasili Tichonov (ex-Assat) to San Jose Sharks \n>Wow.  So that's probably the reason why current assistant coach Drew Ramenda\n>hinted that he won't be back.  Thanks for the news, Mikko; can you (or any\n>of our Finnish netters) comment on Tichonov?\n\nThe first time I heard this piece of news was on the post game radio\ninterview here in Jyvaskyla. That was the bronze medal game in the \nSM-liiga which Tichonov's team Porin Assat (the Aces of town Pori:)\nlost.  Vasili, the son of Victor Tichonov (the famous Soviet coach),\nsaid that for a long time the Sharks have been persuading him to\ntake the assistant coach post. But he wants to be the head coach where\never he goes. He definitely won't be coaching Assat anymore (after\nthree? seasons). I don't know why.\n\nVasili is a good coach I believe. Assat was a good team, produced many\nplayers to our national team. Assat wasn't a skilled team (IMHO) but\nthey had the fighting spirit. After all, they butchered Jokerit in the\nplayoffs and gave hard time to TPS, the champs. But Assat wasn't\nconsistent, only when they were in the right mood they could beat any\nteam in the SM-liiga.\n\nI am not 100% sure about the deal with the Sharks. As I said, he wants\nto be the head coach. But he and the Sharks are going to negotiate and\ndecide during the WC. I doubt that he will be the head coach but\nmaybe they'll do some compromise.\n\nCould somebody post more information about Vasili? I know he was coaching\nin the former Soviet league; teams, results? His character as a coach?\n\n","2049":"From: boyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle)\nSubject: Re: Did US drive on the left?\nArticle-I.D.: cactus.1993Apr6.060553.22453\nOrganization: Capital Area Central Texas UNIX Society, Austin, Tx\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <YfkBJQS00Uh_E9TFo_@andrew.cmu.edu> \"Daniel U. Holbrook\" <dh3q+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>>>\n>\n[stuff about RHD deSoto's deleted]\n\n>Well Sweden and Australia, and lord knows wherever else used to drive on\nAustralians still do drive on the \"wrong\" side of the road. I believe\nSweden changed in 1968. The way I heard it was that they swapped\nall the traffic signs around one Sunday....\n\n>the \"wrong\" side of the road, so the export market might have been\n>larger then than just the UK.\n>\nCraig\n","2050":"From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)\nSubject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon\nOrganization: University of Rochester\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <STEINLY.93Apr20145301@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:\n\n> Why Paul, it's obvious.\n> Once chlorine chemistry has been banned on Earth,\n> as is being advocated by some groups, Ti prices will\n> sharply increase (we are of course not allowed to\n> assume any developments in Ti processing).\n> Lunar Ti will then be eminently competitive for\n> the trendy jewelry market and certain applications\n> of National Importance \n>\n> :-) :-) :-) \n\nWell, there already is a sulfate process for TiO2 purification.  The\nchlorine process is cleaner, however, and for that reason is achieving\ndominance in the marketplace.\n\nMost Ti is used in pigment, btw (as the oxide), where it replaced\nwhite lead pigment some decades ago.  Very little is reduced to the\nmetal.\n\n> Seriously, I'd say there is a flaw in Gary's analysis\n> in that he assumes an export oriented economy, maybe\n> the lunatics will just want some native Ti for local\n> use...\n\nWhich merely evades the issue of why those lunatics are\nthere at all (and, why their children would want to stay.)\n\n\tPaul F. Dietz\n\tdietz@cs.rochester.edu\n","2051":"From: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu\nSubject: Wanted IDE hard drive >40\nOrganization: Marquette University - Computer Services\nLines: 2\nReply-To: 5417younisa@vms.csd.mu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vmsf.csd.mu.edu\n\n and  A VGA monitor..\ne-mail\n","2052":"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nOrganization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA  USA\nLines: 30\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com\nKeywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx\nX-Newsreader: InterCon TCP\/Connect II 1.1\n\njhesse@netcom.com (John Hesse) writes:\n> Oh great. Wonderful news. Nobody can listen in--except the feds. \n\nHey, it's better than the status quo.\n\nI am far less worried about \"the feds\" tapping my phone than high school \nscanner surfers who get their kicks out of eavesdropping on cellular and \ncordless phone calls.\n\nIt would be stupid to rely on even a \"Clipperized\" channel for truly \nsensitive material, but it *does* seem to finally offer a reasonable way to \nguard against casual eavesdropping.  For example, even with my strong \"right \nto bear arms\" view of the private right to possess and use strong \ncryptosystems, the system as described provides enough security that I would \nactually buy a cordless phone, and would be much less wary of using cellular \nphones, walkie-talkies, and so on.  As long as it's only used for mass-market \nvoice scrambling, I actually don't see a problem with it.\n\nIf you want more security than it offers, use something different.  Use PKCS \nfor electronic mail, CELP over DES or triple DES with Diffie-Hellman key \nexchange for your voice traffic, or whatever.\n\nAnd yes, I'd rather just see all crypto restrictions lifted, but this is at \nleast an incrememental improvement for certain applications...\n\n\nAmanda Walker\nInterCon Systems Corporation\n\n\n","2053":"From: walsha@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com (I don't know who discovered water, but it wasn't no fish - Marshall McCluhan)\nSubject: waco conflagration - precedents?\nLines: 15\n\n\nburning yourself alive seems a rough way to go, given the waco bunch\nhad other choices.\n\nbut it reminded me of the russian old-believers who, thinking the\nantichrist was coming in 1666, grew frantic when Peter the Great \nstarted westernizing Russia and reforming the Russian Church a few\nyears later. They locked themselves in their churches and burned\nthemselves alive by the thousands. \n\nare there other cases of apocalypse-obsessed christians resorting\nto self-imolation? is there a history of precedents?\n\n   andrew.\n\n","2054":"From: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu\nSubject: Re: Newspapers censoring gun advertisements\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 33\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sam.cchem.berkeley.edu\nOriginator: gaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu\n\nIn article <81930415084418\/0005111312NA3EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:\n\n>Recently while looking around in Traders Sporting Goods store, a very well\n>stocked firearms store, I discovered a printed document that was being \n>distributed by the good folks who work there.  Traders, BTW, is located in\n>San Leandro, CA.\n.\n.\n. \n>The newspapers have now decided to censor gun ads - which is why you no longer\n>see the ads that Traders, San Leandro, has run for many years.\n>\n>These ads were run for the law-abiding honest citizens who own firearms for\n>sporting use or self-protection.  They certainly have the right to do so, under\n>the Second Amendment Right to Bear Arms.\n \nAre you sure about this? I'm currently looking at a copy of last \nThursday's SF Chronicle and there is the typical one column Traders\nad on page C7 in the Sports section. Not only that, but there is\na part in the middle which rather prominently says \"WANTED: We pay\ncash for assault rifles and pistols.\". Granted, I haven't seen today's\npaper yet. But I'd be surprised if there wasn't a Traders ad in it.\nIt's probably worth it to write to the Chronicle (and other papers)\nanyway, because all their anti-gun editorials are disgusting.\n\nBy the way, let me put in a plug for Traders. I have shopped all\nover the SF Bay Area and I have never seen another store with lower\nprices. And their selection is amazing.\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\nLee Gaucher                         |   My opinions.\ngaucher@sam.cchem.berkeley.edu      |   No one else's.\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2055":"From: cs3sd3ae@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Holly       KS)\nSubject: Eric Bosco where are you?\nNntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University\nLines: 4\n\nEric, send me your email address, I lost it! I've reconsidered!\n\nKevin\n\n","2056":"From: Rob Earhart <earhart+@CMU.EDU>\nSubject: Re: Animation with XPutImage()?\nOrganization: Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center\nLines: 38\n\t<1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po5.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr22.092830.2190@infodev.cam.ac.uk>\n\ndcr@mail.ast.cam.ac.uk (Derek C. Richardson) writes:\n> Shared memory PutImage (also mentioned by nkissebe@delphi.beckman.uiuc.edu,\n> Nick Kisseberth) looks interesting, but I need someone to point me to some\n> documentation. Is this method likely to give better results than server-\n> resident pixmaps? I'd also be interested in looking at the XView code\n> mentioned above...\n\n  There's documentation on how to use the shared memory extension in the\nX11R5 distribution.\n\n  Actually, I just finished writing a motif animation program...\n(take-lots-of-image-data-and-display-it-pretty-darn-fast). When using\non-server pixmaps or shared memory, I had to insert a delay loop to keep\nit from going too quickly :). Testing both methods side by side, they\nwere just about equal.\n\n  The advantage of SHM is that your X server doesn't grow to ridiculous\nsizes; but pixmaps can work over a network and *are* removed if your\napplication dies (one tends to use ipcrm manually quite a bit when\ndebugging SHM apps).\n\n  Shared memory also has the problem that some operating systems (e.g.\nUltrix) seem to allow only a small number of segments (~6) to be\nattached to a process at once; consequently, a redraw becomes\nXShmAttach();XShmPutImage();XShmDetach(); on Dec systems. And Dec's 24\nbit displays (like the ones I tend to use most often) don't seem to\nsupport the extension (maybe someone compiled them wrong?), and using\npixmaps causes the X server to crash (failed mallocs), so one *has* to\nuse the local unix domain socket (which really isn't that bad; one\ncopies the info three times per redraw instead of one).\n\n  In short: allowing all three forms of display, within the program is a\nGood Thing (minus SHM if running over a network), and let the user pick\nwhatever feels fastest.\n\n  (I just use an ximagehandler class and forget about it :)\n\n  )Rob\n","2057":"From: loki@acca.nmsu.edu (Entropic Destroyer)\nSubject: Need info on 43:1 and suicide for refutation\nOrganization: New Mexico State University\nLines: 35\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kazak.nmsu.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nThe following is quoted from the tail end of a (rather condescending)\narticle about Paxton Quigley, that appeared in US Snooze and World Lies,\n(sorry... i think it was in the wall street journal...)\nand was repeated in the Colorado (people's) Daily, a student newspaper\nat the University of Colorado at Boulder.\n\n\"A study of residential gunsot deaths in King County, Wash., found that\na gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner,\nspouse, a friend, or child than to kill an intruder.  Studies by the \nWestern Psychiatric Institute, in Pittsburgh, found that the mere presence\nof a gun in the home sharply incresases the likelihood a family member\nwill commit suicide, even in the absence of psychiatric illness.\"\n\nI have seen these numbers quoted before, and I have seen very specific\nrefutation of them quoted as well.  If someone will be so kind as to\nemail the relevant information, I will write a letter to the editor of\nthe Co. Daily (which might get published) and send a copy to USN&WR as\nwell.\n\nThanx...\n\n--Dan\n\n--\n  DoD #202 \/ loki@acca.nmsu.edu \/ liberty or death \/ taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu \n                 Send me something even YOU can't read...\n-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----\nVersion: 2.1\n\nmQCNAitfksQAAAEEAKceEjWI9f5KMJyKP0LOgC5dGHRpbMY2xhOo8kpEHMDyuf8a\n1BfDQSj53kosTz6HRoshSDzLVuL1\/40vPjmMNtFR+vyZ4jvd3rL4iuq2umMmex3M\nitf3uLt8Xn\/v\/QAbsvhcFSHVJVK4Lf6wosuCMO03m2TiX31AI7VB0Uzo4yXjAAUX\ntCREYW5pZWwgRiBUYXlsb3IgPExva2lAYWNjYS5ubXN1LmVkdT4=\n=S5ib\n-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----\n","2058":"From: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nSubject: Re: Could this be a migraine????\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Invention Factory's BBS - New York City, NY - 212-274-8298v.32bis\nReply-To: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein) \nLines: 16\n\nGB> From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nGB> The HMO would stop the over-ordering, but in HMOs, tests are\nGB> under-ordered.\n\nThat's a somewhat overbroad statement.  I'm sure there are HMOs in\nwhich the fees for lab tests are subtracted from the doctor's\nincome.  In most, however, including the one I work for, there is no\ndirect incentive to under-order.  Profits of the group are shared\namong all partners, but the group is so large that an individual's\ngenerated costs have a miniscule effect.  I don't believe that we\nunder-order.  Then again, I'm not really sure what the right amount\nof ordering is or should be.  Relative to the average British\nneurologist, I suspect that I rather drastically over-order.\n---\n . SLMR 2.1 . E-mail: jim.zisfein@factory.com (Jim Zisfein)\n                                                                            \n","2059":"From: folkert@capints.UUCP (Folkert Boonstra)\nSubject: comp.windows.x\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 17\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\nI would like to keep track of X development on:\n- A\/UX\n- ULTRIX\n- OpenWindows\nCurrently I cannot use the newsgroup comp.windows.x \nand would like to use the Email based info. \nThanks,\n\n\nFolkert Boonstra \n\n\nCap Gemini Innovation\t\tDutch Research Centre \nBurg.Elsenlaan 170\t\tPhone:\t+31 70 3957 239 \nP.O. Box 3027\t\t\tFax:\t+31 70 3957 237 \n2280 GA Rijswijk (NL)\t\te-mail:\tboonstra@capints.uucp\n\n","2060":"From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>\nSubject: Gaza and separation from Israel\nNf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500357:000:3740\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr    Apr 24 07:06:00 1993\nLines: 73\n\n\nFrom: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\nSubject: Gaza and separation from Israel\n\n\nGaza and the idea of separation\n\nThe Israeli Left's inability to cope with the challenges it is\npresented with by reality becomes obvious at those moments when\nthe reality does not line up with the expectations of the left. We\nwere able to see this clearly during the Gulf War.  Because of the\nPalestinian's popular solidarity with Iraq, Yossi Sarid -\ncurrently Minister of the Environment - made his infamous\nstatement: \"You look for me !\", i.e., I'am not making any more\nefforts to speak with you. From Yossi Sarid's point of view,\nPalestinian reality during the Gulf War was not the lengthy curfew\nor the danger of hunger it brought with it, but whether or not the\nPalestinians accepted what was acceptable to the party. Similarly\nMERETZ, MK Deddi Tzuker, recently faced with criticism from\nresidents of the West Bank town of Beit Sahour over his\ngovernment's and his party's lack of action for human rights and\npeace, responded by asking those present at the discussion whether\nthey would rather have a Likud government. From the Leftists'\nperspective this is the best government because it is THEIR\ngovernment, regardless of what it does.\n\nThese members of the Israeli Left have already decided how the\nfuture of the Occupied Territories will look, and they want to\ndictate to the Palestinians how to get there. An essential step\ntowards this future is their participation in Yitzhak Rabin's\ngovernment, and from their point of view the expulsions were a\nmarginal byproduct of this \"government of peace\", which need not\ndisturb the routine course of events. Likewise the \"Rabinic\"\npolicies in Gaza - the blowing up of houses with anti-tank rockets\nand the significant increases in the number of persons injured in\nthe suppression of demonstrations - need not disturb it.\n\nBut the fact that reality is not as they would have it forces\nitself upon them when a mob in Gaza falls upon a settler who has\nlost his way, when a settler is stabbed by his Palestinian\nworkers, or when a Palestinian knifes people in the streets of Tel\nAviv. Then all hell breaks loose and the Israeli Left has nothing\nto propose except separation: Let's cut ourselves off from the\nPalestinians, let's build a fence so high that they won't be able\nto harm us - this is the cry of the Israeli Left. Let us erect a\nfence between us and the reality whith is the occupation.\n\nMeron Benvenisti writes about this in Ha'aretz (4-3-93): \"...The\nliberal Left. which does not differentiate between physical\nseparation and 'the future of the territories', must come to\nunderstand that the regime of magnetic cards, exclusion of Arab\nworkers, closure, and curfew are instruments of enforcement\ndesigned for the suppression of a population in revolt, and that\ntheir ideological support for separation only provides\n'humanitarian' arguments for the legitimization of the <status\nquo>.\n\nEnforced separation is carried out only to meet the need of the\nruling community, but it is only the ruled population which bears\nits burden. [.....].\n\n\"Whoover thinks that 'out of Gaza first' is a liberal,\nhumanitarian idea had best contemplate the question of whether\nthis position is also moral. It is very easy to shake off\nresponsibility for this concentration of human suffering, and to\nthus also disregard responsibility for it's creation. It is very\neasy to erect a fence between Jewish and Arab neighborhoods in\nJerusalem, when this fence has a gate - the keys to which are at\nthe disposal of one hand - which opens to allow the Jews to pursue\nall their interests, but is barred to the Arabs...\".\n------------------------------------------------------\n>From The OTHER Front, Jerusalem, 10 March 1993\n\n","2061":"From: todd@phad.la.locus.com (Todd Johnson)\nSubject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nOrganization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:\n;From the article \"What's New\" Apr-16-93 in sci.physics.research:\n;\n;........\n;WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993  Washington, DC\n;\n;1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE \"SPINOFFS\" WE WERE PROMISED?\n;What about light pollution in observations? (I read somewhere else that\n;it might even be visible during the day, leave alone at night).\n;Is NASA really supporting this junk?\n;Are protesting groups being organized in the States?\n;Really, really depressed.\n;\n;             Enzo\n\nI wouldn't worry about it.  There's enough space debris up there that\na mile-long inflatable would probably deflate in some very short\nperiod of time (less than a year) while cleaning up LEO somewhat.\nSort of a giant fly-paper in orbit.\n\nHmm, that could actually be useful.\n\nAs for advertising -- sure, why not?  A NASA friend and I spent one\ndrunken night figuring out just exactly how much gold mylar we'd need\nto put the golden arches of a certain American fast food organization\non the face of the Moon.  Fortunately, we sobered up in the morning.\n\n<todd>\n","2062":"From: Geoffrey_Hansen@mindlink.bc.ca (Geoffrey Hansen)\nSubject: Re: VESA on the Speedstar 24\nOrganization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada\nLines: 12\n\nUsing the VMODE command, all you need to do is type VMODE VESA at the dos\nprompt. VMODE is included with the Speedstar 24.  I have used the VESA mode\nfor autodesk animator pro.\n\n--\n   <=================================================|\n             |     geoffrey_hansen@mindlink.bc.ca    |\n             |=================================================>\n \"Inumerable confusions and a feeling of despair invariably emerge\n  in periods of great technological and cultural transition.\"\n                                                     Marshall McLuhan\n\n","2063":"From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)\nSubject: Re: Observation re: helmets\nOrganization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil\n\nmaven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) wrote:\n>  \n>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock \n> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...\n\nGravity. It'll never let you down, er up, er...\n\nLesson: Put your helmet on the ground or your head. If you put it on the\nground, it isn't gonna fall down _to_ the ground. If you put it on your\nhead, well...\n\n                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil\n \n   \"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,\ndifficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-\nboggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it.\"\n                                                    --gene spafford, 1992\n","2064":"From: martinh@cac.washington.EDU (Martin Hunt)\nSubject: Announcing tcpview: A Motif-based TCP\/IP protocol analyzer\nOrganization: UW Networks and Distributed Computing\nLines: 89\nKeywords: protocol analyzer TCP\/IP\nTo: xannounce@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\n\nTcpview is the result of several problems we had at UW.  We have several\nNetwork General Sniffers which are heavily used to help debug problems on\nseveral hundred subnets. These are good tools, but they are 1) heavy, \n2) hard to find when you need one, 3) limited in their software expandibility,\n4) difficult to use to upload data for analysis, 5) cannot be remotely\noperated, and 6) cannot resolve names with DNS, requiring much manual \nmanipulation of the name table.  We also sometimes use tcpdump, but we found \nit 1) too difficult for most people, 2) did not have enough information for\nmany protocols, 3) could not be used interactively, 4) could not handle\nTCP streams and 5) could not read Sniffer files.  However, tcpdump did do\na reasonable job of decoding a large number of protocols, and could be easily\nmodified.  Tcpview is an attempt to resolve these problems\nby adding a Motif interface to tcpdump and expanding its features.\n\nTcpview has been tested on a DECstation 5000 and Sun 4 under Ultrix 4.2 and\nSunOS 4.1 respectively.  It should work on the same systems as tcpdump.\nIt compiles with cc and gcc on the DEC and Sun.  To build tcpview you will\nneed Motif 1.1 or better.\n\nThe following files are available for anonymous ftp from \nftp.cac.washington.edu in \/pub\/networking\n\ntcpview-1.0.tar.Z\ttcpview and tcpdump source code\ntcpview-1.0.sun.tar.Z\tSun4 binaries\ntcpview-1.0.dec.tar.Z\tDEC Mips Ultrix 4.2 binaries\n\nWhat tcpview adds to tcpdump:\n- easier interface\n- enhanced protocol decoding\n- hex display of frame\n- capture based on time, number of frames, or user interrupt\n- can show ethernet addresses with manufacturer's name\n- ethernet address host table\n- can easily follow a stream, highlighting out-of-order frames\n- can send TCP data to an external file or filter for additional\n\tprocessing.\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nCHANGES TO TCPDUMP 2.2.1\n\nNew features:\n\nNow reads and writes Network General Sniffer files.  When used with '-r', the \nfile type will be automatically detected.\n\nCan now read in (and use) an SNMP MIB file.\n\nThe hex format has been changed.\n\nNew time options have been added.\n\nOptions were added to allow viewing and processing of the data in TCP packets.\n\nBugs were fixed in the relative TCP sequence numbers. (-S flag)\n\nNew flags:\n-R\tread Sniffer file.  Not usually needed, except for reading from stdin\n-ttt\tprints delta times\n-tttt\tprints times relative to the first frame\n-W\twrite a Sniffer save file (use with -w)\n-x\tprint frame (minus link-level header) in hexdump format.  \n\tSample output:\n\n16:36:23.349851 jeff.cac.washington.edu.1285 > nic.funet.fi.ftp: S 0:0(0) win 16384\n        0000  45 00 00 28 8a 98 00 00 3c 06 7c 9c 80 5f 70 02   |  E..(....<.|.._p.\n        0010  80 d6 06 64 05 05 00 15 5b 19 4a 00 00 00 00 00   |  ...d....[.J.....\n        0020  50 02 40 00 4e 13 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00         |  P.@.N.........\n\n-X\tprint TCP data in hexdump format (used with -Z)\n-z\twrite TCP data to stdout (use with -t to eliminate timestamp)\n-Z\twrite frames and TCP data to stdout\n\n\nMartin M. Hunt\nmartinh@cac.washington.edu\nNetworks & Distributed Computing\nUniversity of Washington\n\n\n\n\n\n\n--\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMartin Hunt                            martinh@cac.washington.edu   \nNetworks and Distributed Computing     University of Washington\t\t  \n","2065":"From: mbeckman@mbeckman.mbeckman.com (Mel Beckman)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: Beckman Software Engineering\nReply-To: mbeckman@mbeckman.com\nDistribution: na,world\nX-Mailer: uAccess LITE - Macintosh Release: 1.5v5\nLines: 47\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.032022.14021@clarinet.com> (sci.crypt,alt.security,comp.org.eff.talk,comp.security.misc,comp.org.acm,comp.org.ieee), brad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:\n> Let's assume, for the moment, that the system really is secure unless\n> you get both halves of the encryption key from the two independent\n> escrow houses.  Let's say you even trust the escrow houses -- one is\n> the ACLU and the other is the EFF.  (And I'm not entirely joking about\n> those two names)\n\nThe problem with \"Let's assume\" reasoning is that, taken to the extreme\n(and you're close), you arrive at \"Let's assume this is perfectly OK.\"\n\nThe assumptions you make are big ones. If the system is really secure, then\nwhy does the government have to keep the algorithm secret?  There are plenty\nof encryption algorithms that don't depend upon nondisclosure to be secure,\nso why in the world use one that does?  There are reasons, of course, but\nI certainly can't think of any honest ones.\n\nNext, you assume we can \"trust\" the escrow houses. But the last time I checked,\nEVERY SINGLE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT has experienced unauthorized disclosure,\ncorruption, and even fabrication, of supposedly secure data. The govt is\nsaying \"Yeah, but NOW we're serious, so you can trust us.\"  Bullcrypt. \n\nAnd finally, although you didn't state it explicitly, you implicitly assume\nthat the warrant mechanism in this country is safe and reasonable. The case\nin Ventura County of a man shot and killed by officers serving a deliberately\nfraudulant warrant tells me that the govt has a long ways to go on this\nscore.\n\nRemember that all this is to catch the drug dealers, right?  As others\nhave pointed out, the current proposal will, if deployed, render truly secure\nencryption much more expensive and inconvenient than Uncle Sam's brand.\nWho will be able to afford, and be sufficiently motivated, to purchase this\nexpensive, inconvenient higher protection?  Somebody with lots of extra\ncash...\n\nThe following is more true than ever:\n\n  \"When [strong] encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have [strong]\nencryption.\"\n\n\n________________________________________________________________________\n| Mel beckman                  |   Internet: mbeckman@mbeckman.com     |\n| Beckman Software Engineering | Compuserve: 75226,2257                |\n| Ventura, CA 93003            |  Voice\/fax: 805\/647-1641 805\/647-3125 |\n|______________________________|_______________________________________|\n \"You can observe a lot just by watching.\"  -Yogi Bera\n","2066":"From: mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman)\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH! NO SURVIVORS!!!\nKeywords: Nata thing !!\nNntp-Posting-Host: nimitz.mcs.kent.edu\nReply-To: Matthew Hamilton\nOrganization: Kent State University CS\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1r1j1l$4t@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr20.143255.12711@mcs.kent.edu>, mhamilto@Nimitz.mcs.kent.edu (The Lawnmowerman) writes:\n> \n> Oh, then, I guess that shooting THOSE kind of babies is all right.\n> \n> You sick bastard.\n> -- \n> \n> cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\n> OR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n> \n\nWhy thanks for your reply to my post.  By the way, I never, never ever said \nthat it was right to shoot \"THOSE kind\" of babies.  However it was the Branch\nDavidian people in there that insisted on staying there with their \"savior\" \n(yeah right budy boy) because he had brain-washed them into believing that \nwhat ever he says is the truth, even if means that they are to give up their\nlives for <<<<HIS>>>> cause.  Therefore it is Davids fault and not the ATF's\nwho gave them 50 to 51 days to get out, this was 50 days to many for me and\nfor many of the rest of the U.S.  I am however sad to hear of the death of any \nchild unlike the sick bastard I supposedly am.\n-- \n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Matthew R. Hamilton   | mhamilto@mcs.kent.edu    |      A.K.A              |\n| CS\/ Physics Major     | 1499h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu |   (The Lawnmowerman)    |\n| Kent State University\t| 1299h751@ksuvxb.kent.edu |\t\t\t     |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n|                                                                            |\n|                                                                            |\n|      Look here for future advice.quotes.sayings.jibberish.philosohy        |\n|                                                                            |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n","2067":"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: Re: Is OT Valid????\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 31\n\nPeir-Yuan Yeh asks:\n\n>I wonder if the OT is not exactly like Jewish history.  Are they the\nsame >or part of them are the same?  How about Torah? Are the first five\nbooks >of OT as the same as Torah?????\n\nYes, yes, and yes.  Jewish history as recorded in the Old Testament and\nas shown by archaeology are the same.  Kings, revivals, Temples, and all.\n\nThe Torah, as far as I know, is the five books of Moses.  Then come the\nProphets (all the Prophets, plus Joshua, Judges, 1&2 Samuel, 1&2 Kings)\nand the Writings (Psalms, Proverbs, Lamentations, Ruth, Esther, Ezra,\nNehemiah, Ecclesiates, Song of Songs, 1&2 Chronicles, Job).\n\nAnd the veracity of Isaiah, which you quoted to your Moslem friend is\nquite well known.  A complete manuscript exists that dates back to past\n200 BC, and is kept in a Museum in Israel.  It was found among the Dead\nSea Scrolls, which greatly enhanced our knowledge of the veracity of the\nOld Testament, as they date back to around the time of Christ, whereas\nbefore, the oldest complete manuscript in Hebrew was from around 900 AD.\n\nYour Moslem friend is sorely mistaken, but understandably so.  If Jesus\nwas crucified, and atoned for our sins, he must have been God, for only\nthe death of God could atone for the sins of all humanity.  And as\nIsaiah predicts, the messiah will be called \"the mighty God.\"  And if he\nwas God, then he must have rose, for as St. Paul wrote, it was not\npossible that death could hold him.  And if Jesus rose from the dead,\nyour Moslem friend would have little reason to be a Moslem.  Which is\nwhy he denies the authenticity of the Old Testament.\n\nAndy Byler\n","2068":"From: bhayden@teal.csn.org (Bruce Hayden)\nSubject: Re: Hate Crimes Laws\nNntp-Posting-Host: teal.csn.org\nOrganization: Colorado SuperNet, Inc.\nLines: 59\n\nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr5.050127.22304@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr4.011042.24938@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com\n>>(Steve Hendricks) writes:\n>>>In article <1993Apr3.211910.21908@news.acns.nwu.edu>\n>>>dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:\n>>>>...\n>>>>If someone beats up a homosexual, he should get charged for assault and\n>>>>battery.  Why must we add gay bashing to the list?  Isn't this a sort of\n>>>>double jeopardy?  Or am I just being a fascist again?\n>>>\n>>>() To deter an epidemic of \"gay bashing\" that has not been deterred by\n>>>   assault laws.  \n>>\n>>So we ought to make beating up a homosexual more illegal than beating up a\n>>straight?  \n\n>And who's advocating that?  Hate crimes laws are aimed at the motivations\n>of the acts.  Just like premeditated homicide is treated stricter than\n>heat-of-passion homicide.\n\nBut you still get into trouble. For example - how often are crimes\nof violence not \"hate crimes\"? The question is then who are you\nhating? If its another gang member, then its better than if\nthe person you hate is of a differnt color? \n\nAlso, is it realistic to declare that crimes of hate are worse\nthan crimes of gross negligence? (Like random drive by shootings\nwhere they can't be hate crimes because the shooter doesn't know\nwho he is going to hit - he just shoots into the crowd).\n\n>>>() No, it is not \"double jeopardy.\"  A single act may lead to multiple\n>>>   charges and multiple crimes.\n>>\n>>I think what you meant to say here was, \"With the current mutation of the US\n>>Constitution under the current police state, someone may be charged multiple\n>>times for one act if the victim in question is of the right shade.\"  A single\n>>act should never merit more than on charge.  \n\n>So if I set off a bomb in the World Trade Center, I can only be charged with\n>more than one murder, and not the other five deaths and extensive property\n>damage?  After all, the bomb was a single act.\n\nFirst, I heard today that there is a good chance that the U.S. instead\nof New York is going after the bombers. This means no capital punishment.\n\nSecondly, double jepardy does help keep the government from going after\nyou for first one murder, then the next, etc. A \"sovereign\" has essentially\none chance with a single fact pattern (such as the World Trade Center bombing).\nThat is why the bombers will in all probability be tried for all the\ndeaths, as well as the property damages, as well as conspiracy, at once.\nOf course, as we discovered in the Rodney King case, there are two\n\"sovereigns\", neither of which can try you twice for the same crime.\n\nBruce E. Hayden\n(303) 758-8400\nbhayden@csn.org\n\n","2069":"From: erik@cheshire.oxy.edu (Erik Adams)\nSubject: HELP!!  My Macintosh \"luggable\" has lines on its screen!\nOrganization: Occidental College, Los Angeles, CA 90041 USA.\nDistribution: comp\nLines: 20\n\nOkay, I don't use it very much, but I would like for it to keep working\ncorrectly, at least as long as Apple continues to make System software\nthat will run on it, if slowly :-)\n\nHere is the problem:  When the screen is tilted too far back, vertical\nlines appear on the screen.  They are every 10 pixels or so, and seem\nto be affected somewhat by opening windows and pulling down menus.\nIt looks to a semi-technical person like there is a loose connection\nbetween the screen and the rest of the computer.\n\nI am open to suggestions that do not involve buying a new computer,\nor taking this one to the shop.  I would also like to not have\nto buy one of Larry Pina's books.  I like Larry, but I'm not sure\nI feel strongly enough about the computer to buy a service manual\nfor it.\n\nOn a related note:  what does the monitor connector connect to?\n\nErik\n\n","2070":"From: conditt@tsd.arlut.utexas.edu (Paul Conditt)\nSubject: Latest on Branch Davidians\nOrganization: Applied Research Laboratories, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 28\n\nMost of you will have probably seen the news by the time you read this,\nbut the Branch Davidian compound is no more.  This morning about 6:00,\nthe feds punched holes in the compound walls by using a tank.  They \nthen started using non-lethal tear gas.  Shortly after noon, 2 cult\nmembers were seen setting fire to the compound.  So far, about 20-30\npeople have been seen outside the compound.  The fate of the other 60 or\n70 people is unknown, neither is the fate of the 17 children that were\ninside.  The compound did burn to the ground.\n\nKoresh, who at times has claimed to be the Messiah, but then backed off\nand only claimed to be a prophet, had promised several times to come\nout peacefully if his demands were met.  First, he demanded that his\nmessage be broadcast on the radio, which it was, but he didn't come out.\nHe claimed to be waiting for a message from God.  Finally, he said that\nGod told him that he needed to decipher the mystery of the 7 seals in\nRevelation, and when he was finished, he'd come out.  He finished the\nfirst one, but didn't do any more work that anyone knows of since then.\nThe federal agents did warn him that if they didn't come out, they \nwould be subjected to tear gas.\n\nI think it's really sad that so many people put their faith in a mere\nman, even if he did claim to be the son of God, and\/or a prophet.  I\nthink it underscores the importance of putting you faith only in\nthings that are eternal and knowing for yourself what the Scriptures\nsay and what they mean, instead of relying on others to do it for you,\neven if those others are learned and mean well.\n\nPaul Conditt\n","2071":"From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)\nSubject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nOrganization: University of Central Florida\nLines: 19\n\nI posted this over in sci.astro, but it didn't make it here.\nThought you all would like my wonderful pithy commentary :-)\n\nWhat? You guys have never seen the Goodyear blimp polluting\nthe daytime and nightime skies?\n\nActually an oribital sign would only be visible near\nsunset and sunrise, I believe.  So pollution at night\nwould be minimal.\n\nIf it pays for space travel, go for it.  Those who don't\nlike spatial billboards can then head for the pristine\nenvironment of Jupiter's moons :-)\n\n---\nThomas Clarke\nInstitute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL\n12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826\n(407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu\n","2072":"From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar)\nSubject: Re: Trumpet for Windows & other news readers\nOrganization: CWRU School of Medicine\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: axa12-slip.dialin.cwru.edu\n\nIn article <mcbride.126@ohsu.edu> mcbride@ohsu.edu (Ginny McBride) writes:\n\n\n>In article <ashok.653.0@biochemistry.cwru.edu> ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu\n>(Ashok Aiyar) writes:\n\n>>Currently WinTrumpet is in very late beta.  It looks like an excellent \n>>product, with several features beyond the DOS version.\n\n>>WinTrumpet supports the Trumpet TCP, Novell LWP, and there is also a direct to \n>>packet driver version that some people are using with the dis_pkt shim.\n\n\n>What's it gonna cost?  \n\nAgain, I do not speak for Peter Tattam, but it is my understanding that it \nwill shareware status as Trumpet 1.05 for DOS is, and I imagine that the \nregistration fees will be similar.  I also believe that a new version of \nTrumpet for DOS will be released sometime in the near future.\n\nAshok\n\n--\nAshok Aiyar                        Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu\nDepartment of Biochemistry                       Tel: (216) 368-3300\nCWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio         Fax: (216) 368-4544\n","2073":"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Statement to everyone on t.p.g\nLines: 24\n\nOk, here goes.  Yes folks, I realize I have stuck my foot in my mouth\nquite a few times already so please let me make some clarifications.  My\ninaccurate information in my posts was due to lack of knowledge.  Thanks\nto you kind (and some not so kind) people I am learning.   Some people\nhave given me several good points to ponder and I see how I was wrong.\nIn no way was this inaccurate information supposed to be trying to\nfurther the anti-gun cause.  I have said several times before (but\nnobody seemed to be listening) that I am pro-gun and anti-gun-control.\n\nAs far as the race can of worms that I have opened up I have only one\nthing to say - I am in no way prejudiced.  Some of the things I have\nstated were said to demonstrate that I am not prejudiced and\/or a racist\nbut I have been accused of being too aware of race and prejudiced.  I will not\nsay anymore about that subject because no matter what I say it will be the\nwrong thing.\n\nBoy, what a start to being on a new group.  Oh well, things have been\nworse in my life.\n\nI hope this clears things up but I guess that will remain to be seen.\n\nBy for now,\n\nJason\n","2074":"From: gt8798a@prism.gatech.EDU (Anthony S. Kim)\nSubject: Syquest 150 ???\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 3\n\nI remember someone mention about a 150meg syquest.  Has anyone else\nheard anything about this?  I'd be interested in the cost per megabyte and the\napproximate cost of the drive itself and how they compare to the Bernoulli 150.\n","2075":"From: bsardis@netcom.com (Barry Sardis)\nSubject: Re: Date is stuck\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 32\n\nkevin@kosman.uucp (Kevin O'Gorman) writes:\n\n>Anybody seen the date get stuck?\n\n>I'm running MS-DOS 5.0 with a menu system alive all the time.  The machine\n>is left running all the time.\n\n>Suddenly, the date no longer rolls over.  The time is (reasonably) accurate\n>allways, but we have to change the date by hand every morning.  This involves\n>exiting the menu system to get to DOS.\n\n>Anyone have the slightest idea why this should be?  Even a clue as to whether\n>the hardware (battery? CMOS?) or DOS is broken?\n>-- \n>Kevin O'Gorman ( kevin@kosman.UUCP, kevin%kosman.uucp@nrc.com )\n>voice: 805-984-8042 Vital Computer Systems, 5115 Beachcomber, Oxnard, CA  93035\n>Non-Disclaimer: my boss is me, and he stands behind everything I say.\n\n\nI've started to notice the same thing myself. I'm running DOS 5 and Win 3.1 so\nI can fix it from the Windows Control Panel. At times it is the date, at\nothers the clock seems to be running several minutes behind where it should\nbe.\n\nIf you find out I'd like to know also. Oh, and I also leave my system running\nall the time.\n                                                                    \n-- \nBarry Sardis\t\t| Home:   (408) 448-1589\n1241 Laurie Avenue\t| Office: (408) 448-7404\nSan Jose, CA 95125\t| Fax:    (408) 448-7404\nEmail: bsardis@netcom.COM or 70105.1210@compuserve.COM\n","2076":"From: kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead)\nSubject: Re: Change of name ??\nNntp-Posting-Host: sora.icd.ab.com\nOrganization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc.\nLines: 47\n\n\nIn article <CMM.0.90.2.735315429.thomasp@holmenkollen.ifi.uio.no>, Thomas Parsli \n<thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:\n> \t1. Make a new Newsgroup called talk.politics.guns.PARANOID or \n> \ttalk.politics.guns.THEY'R.HERE.TO.TAKE.ME.AWAY\n\n\nWell, may I point out that paranoia is an IRRATIONAL fear, without basis\nin reality.  As we've seen here in the US, there is nothing irrational\nabout it.  Perhaps you folks in Finland have been down on your knees\nbeing good little boys and girls so that the former Soviet Union didn't\ncome across the border and stomp the snot out of you for so long that\nyou just figure everybody should be so accomodating to tyranny.\n\n\n> \n> \t2. Move all postings about waco and burn to (guess where)..\n> \n> \t3. Stop posting #### on this newsgroup\n\n\nIf you don't like us talking about political issues involving attacks\non people for owning guns, don't read talk.politics.guns.\n\n\n> \n> \tWe are all SO glad you're trying to save us from the evil \n> \tgoverment, but would you mail this #### in regular mail to\n> \tlet's say 1000 people ????\n> \t\n\nNobody's trying to save YOU from anything, so butt out.  I couldn't\ncare less about what somebody on the other side of the world thinks \nabout this. Of course, you do have a right to an opinion...  but I've\nalways figured that opinons are like hemmorhoids.  Every asshole's\ngot them, I just don't care about yours. \n\n\n\n  **************************************************************************\n*     I remember what I was doing         *    Bad boy, whatcha gonna do    * \n*  when I heard that JFK had been shot.   *        Whatcha gonna do         *\n*  Will you remember the Battle of Waco?  *    when they come for you...    *\n ***************************************************************************\nKen Whitehead (kdw@odin.icd.ab.com)\n\n\n","2077":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: It is sickening to think that the Armenians are capable of such...\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 329\n\nIn article <1993Apr9.140123.12253@sol.ctr.columbia.edu> halsall@MURRAY.FORDHAM.EDU (Paul Halsall) writes:\n\n>\tIt's curious that Serdar spend his time attacking Greeks and\n>Armenians. Who just happen to be historical opponents of Turkey. The\n\nBecause, the x-Soviet Armenian government got away with the genocide \nof 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the \nfruits of that genocide. And they are doing 'it' again. Are you so \nblind?\n\n>problem is, everybody - Arab, Greek, Bulgar, Serb, Russian, Tartar, \n>Circassian, Persian, Kurd - is, or has been an opponent. Who has been\n\nKurds 'R' us; Armenians 'R' not.\n\n>an ally? This historic circumstance seems to have taken a certain\n>toll on Serdar: perhaps he should be posting to alt.raving.nationalist\n>rather than soc.history?\n\nExcuse me?\n\n \"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as \n  ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work \n  of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. \n  Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts \n  into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable \n  and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets \n  completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They \n  found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border \n  into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole \n  length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to \n  Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain \n  plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of \n  Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for \n  howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the \n  scattered bones of the dead.\" \n\n                             Ohanus Appressian\n                            \"Men Are Like That\"\n                                   p. 202.\n\n\nA genocide is a deliberate and organized massacre of people in an \nattempt to exterminate a race. This is the worst crime in history. \nIt happened to the Turks in eastern Anatolia and the Armenian \ndictatorship. 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed in the worst \nways imaginable. It is sickening to think that the human race is capable \nof such actions, but there is no denying the fact that the Armenian \ngenocide of 2.5 million Muslims happened.\n\nPeople of Turkiye deeply sympathize with those whose relatives were \nkilled in the Turkish genocide. I understand their anger that there \nare those who still deny that the Turkish genocide indeed took place, \ndespite the fact that the genocide of 2.5 million Turks has been \nwell documented over the past six decades. We cannot reverse\nthe events of the past, but we can and we must strive to keep the\nmemory of this tragedy alive on this side of the Atlantic, so as\nto help prevent a recurrence of the extermination of a people\nbecause of their religion or their race. \n\nSource: Bristol Papers, General Correspondence: Container #32 - Bristol\n        to Bradley Letter of September 14, 1920.\n\n\"I have it from absolute first-hand information that the Armenians in \n the Caucasus attacked Tartar (Turkish) villages that are utterly \n defenseless and bombarded these villages with artillery and they murder\n the inhabitants, pillage the village and often burn the village.\"\n\n>\tLets get somethings straight.\n\nWhy not?\n\n>1.\tArmenians are no angels, but they were subject to Turkish genocide.\n\nAnd the Germans were subject to Jewish Genocide? Are you for real? \nTell me 'Halsall', were you high on \"ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF\" forgeries and\nfabrications when you wrote that? Where is your non-existent list\nof scholars. Here is mine: During the First World War and the ensuing \nyears - 1914-1920, the Armenian Dictatorship through a premeditated \nand systematic genocide, tried to complete its centuries-old policy \nof annihilation against the Turks and Kurds by savagely murdering \n2.5 million Muslims and deporting the rest from their 1,000 year \nhomeland.\n\nThe attempt at genocide is justly regarded as the first instance\nof Genocide in the 20th Century acted upon an entire people.\nThis event is incontrovertibly proven by historians, government\nand international political leaders, such as U.S. Ambassador Mark \nBristol, William Langer, Ambassador Layard, James Barton, Stanford \nShaw, Arthur Chester, John Dewey, Robert Dunn, Papazian, Nalbandian, \nOhanus Appressian, Jorge Blanco Villalta, General Nikolayef, General \nBolkovitinof, General Prjevalski, General Odiselidze, Meguerditche, \nKazimir, Motayef, Twerdokhlebof, General Hamelin, Rawlinson, Avetis\nAharonian, Dr. Stephan Eshnanie, Varandian, General Bronsart, Arfa,\nDr. Hamlin, Boghos Nubar, Sarkis Atamian, Katchaznouni, Rachel \nBortnick, Halide Edip, McCarthy, W. B. Allen, Paul Muratoff and many \nothers.\n\nJ. C. Hurewitz, Professor of Government Emeritus, Former Director of\nthe Middle East Institute (1971-1984), Columbia University.\n\nBernard Lewis, Cleveland E. Dodge Professor of Near Eastern History,\nPrinceton University.\n\nHalil Inalcik, University Professor of Ottoman History & Member of\nthe American Academy of Arts & Sciences, University of Chicago.\n\nPeter Golden, Professor of History, Rutgers University, Newark.\n\nStanford Shaw, Professor of History, University of California at\nLos Angeles.\n\nThomas Naff, Professor of History & Director, Middle East Research\nInstitute, University of Pennsylvania.\n\nRonald Jennings, Associate Professor of History & Asian Studies,\nUniversity of Illinois.\n\nHoward Reed, Professor of History, University of Connecticut.\n\nDankwart Rustow, Distinguished University Professor of Political\nScience, City University Graduate School, New York.\n\nJohn Woods, Associate Professor of Middle Eastern History, \nUniversity of Chicago.\n\nJohn Masson Smith, Jr., Professor of History, University of\nCalifornia at Berkeley.\n\nAlan Fisher, Professor of History, Michigan State University.\n\nAvigdor Levy, Professor of History, Brandeis University.\n\nAndreas G. E. Bodrogligetti, Professor of History, University of California\nat Los Angeles.\n\nKathleen Burrill, Associate Professor of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.\n\nRoderic Davison, Professor of History, George Washington University.\n\nWalter Denny, Professor of History, University of Massachusetts.\n\nCaesar Farah, Professor of History, University of Minnesota.\n\nTom Goodrich, Professor of History, Indiana University of Pennsylvania.\n\nTibor Halasi-Kun, Professor Emeritus of Turkish Studies, Columbia University.\n\nJustin McCarthy, Professor of History, University of Louisville.\n\nJon Mandaville, Professor of History, Portland State University (Oregon).\n\nRobert Olson, Professor of History, University of Kentucky.\n\nMadeline Zilfi, Professor of History, University of Maryland.\n\nJames Stewart-Robinson, Professor of Turkish Studies, University of Michigan.\n\n.......so the list goes on and on and on.....\n\nNow wait, there is more.\n\n  Mark Alan Epstein, 'The Ottoman Jewish Communities and their Role\n  in the Fifteenth and Sixteenth Centuries,' Klaus Schwarz Werlag,\n  Freiburg (1980).\n\n  page 19:\n\n <<During the fifteenth century, when the Ottomans were struggling to\n  reestablish themselves in the Balkans, there was considerable turmoil\n  among the Jewish communities in Central and Western Europe. Even if\n  the difficulties of the darker centuries immediately preceding the\n  fourteenth are minimized, it is easy to understand the attraction which\n  Ottoman life, particularly when compared to life in Europe, held for the\n  Jews. There is no way to tell how many Jews left Christendom for the\n  realm of the rising Muslim Ottomans, but with each account of persecution\n  in or expulsion from Christian countries it is recorded that some Jews\n  fled to Ottoman territory. The regularity of these reports suggests that\n  the Ottomans were considered reasonably tolerant protectors and that\n  there was a regular trickle of Jewish families moving southward and\n  eastward from Western and Central Europe. (...) It is evident that the\n  effects of plague, late crusades, and the general intolerance and\n  persecution of Jews in Christian Europe resulted in the redirection\n  of the whole focus of Jewish life which, for more than two centuries,\n  was to be oriented toward Muslim East.>>\n\n\n  page 21:\n\n  <<In the second quarter of the fifteenth century the foremost official\n  in the  Edirne Jewish community was Rabbi Yitzhak Sarfati the Ashkenazi\n  Chief Rabbi of the city. He was the most important rabbi in the city and\n  the author of an important letter which tells us something of the situation\n  of the Edirne Jewry in the fifteenth century. Sarfati himself was from\n  Christian Europe and supposedly wrote this letter at the behest of two\n  recent arrivals from there, who, upon seeing the prosperity and freedom\n  of the Ottoman Jews, prevailed upon him to write their European\n  coreligionists apprising them of the situation and urging them to migrate.\n  This remarkable letter advised its recipients not only of the pleasant\n  conditions in the Ottoman domains, but described as well the ease of\n  travel to Palestine and the holy places, an attraction to those who\n  would make a pilgrimage or choose to be buried there.>> (*)\n\n\n  page 41:\n\n <<...the impression gained from the Hebrew sources is that the Jews were\n firmly aware of the community of interests which existed between them\n and the Ottomans, especially in comparison to relations with the Christians\n of Europe.\n\n Confirmation of the commonality of interests between Muslims and Jews is\n also indicated by the fact that European Christians perceived the Jews\n as allies of Islam and were well aware of Muslim-Jewish cooperation.\n Certainly the activity of important Jewish financiers and politicians\n representing the Ottoman government abroad did not pass unnoticed. European\n sources are the basis for much of our knowledge of their careers. In addition\n it appears that Christian pirates plundered ''Turks and Jews,''  their\n sworn enemies, and that Europeans considered the Jews to be agents who\n regularly reported to the Ottomans.\n\n There are well-known examples of overt Jewish support for the Ottomans\n in the struggle against European powers. The two best known instances\n of Jewish support for the campaigning Ottomans are the frequently cited\n instances of the Jewish contributions to the conquests of Buda, in the\n early sixteenth century, and of Rhodes. We also have reports of sympathy\n for the Ottomans during the siege of Chios. An unpublished Ottoman\n document shows dramatically the mutual interests which existed in some\n Greek towns...>>\n\n page 43:\n\n  <<It is clear that throughout the sixteenth century it was a generally\n accepted fact that the interests of Jews and Muslims coincided frequently,\n and all parties involved, Jews, Muslims, and Christians, were aware of\n the situation.>>\n\n\n page 46:\n\n <<...it seems that the relations between Greeks and Jews were not\n particularly cordial. The two groups had little in common, few common\n interests, and perceived no common philosophical or religious tradition\n which could serve as the basis for cooperation, rather than enmity. If\n there was any identifiable bond of good will which existed between\n religious communities in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries, it was\n that between Muslims and Jews, neither of whom had much in common with\n the Orthodox.>>\n\n page 46:\n\n <<The general impression of Muslim-Jewish relations in the Ottoman context\n during the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries is one of community of\n interests. From the earliest times the Ottomans seem to have welcomed\n Jews to their territory and to have found in the communities already\n existing in places which they conquered a cooperative element. The Jewish\n response to this tolerance was a steady flow of Jews from Christian\n countries to Ottoman domains.>>\n\n page 151:\n\n  <<From the period before 1453 we have only a few indications that the\n  Ottoman-Jewish relationship was well on the course of amity which would\n  characterize it for years afterward, but the liberality of the Ottomans,\n  in contrast to the intolerance of the Byzantines, and the protection and\n  the security which the Ottomans offered, in comparison to conditions\n  elsewhere, leave little doupt that even then both the Ottomans and the\n  Jews recognized their mutual interests...>>\n\n  page 161:\n\n  <<It is impossible to say how fundamental the Jews were in the success\n  of the Ottomans in rebuilding Istanbul or in Ottoman mercantile success\n  in the sixteenth century. That they played an important role in both\n  cannot be doupted. It is also unclear whether they were important enough\n  to say that the Ottomans would not have experienced their great success\n  without the Jews and that no other group could have been found to serve\n  the Ottomans as well as did the Jews. It is, however, unmistakably clear\n  that there are few parallels in world history to this remarkable\n  partnership between Jews and the non-Jewish society in which they lived.\n  We must conclude that the Ottomans could probably not achieved their\n  success without a group performing certain tasks for them as well as the\n  Jews did. Certainly for the Jews of the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries\n  the Ottoman Empire was a most remarkable and salubrious home.>>\n\n\n(*) A version of Rabbi Sarfati's [Tzarfati] letter is given by Prof.Shaw:\n\n  page 32:\n\n  <<Your cries and sobs reached us. We have been told of all the troubles\n  and persecutions which you have to suffer in the German lands....I hear\n  the lamentation of my brethren...The barbarous and cruel nation ruthlessly\n  oppresses the faithful children of the chosen people...The priests and\n  prelates of Rome have risen. They wish to root out the memory of Jacob\n  and erase the name of Israel. They always devise new persecutions. They\n  wish to bring you to the stake...Listen my brethren, to the counsel I will\n  give you. I too was born in Germany and studied Torah with the German\n  rabbis. I was driven out of my native country and came to the Turkish land,\n  which is blessed by God and filled with all good things. Here I found rest\n  and happiness; Turkey can also become for you the land of peace...If you\n  who live in Germany knew even a tenth of what God has blessed us with\n  in this land, you would not consider any difficulties; you would set out\n  to come to us...Here in the land of the Turks we have nothing to complain\n  of. We possess great fortunes; much gold and silver in our hands. We are\n  not oppressed with heavy taxes, and our commerce is free and unhindered.\n  Rich are the fruits of the earth. Everything is cheap, and every one of us\n  lives in peace and freedom. Here the Jew is not compelled to wear a yellow\n  hat as a badge of shame, as is the case in Germany, where even wealth and\n  great fortune are a curse for a Jew because he therewith arouses jealousy\n  among the Christians and they devise all kinds of slander against him\n  to rob him of his gold. Arise my brethren, gird up your loins, collect\n  your forces, and come to us. Here you will be free of your enemies, here\n  you will find rest...>>[13]\n\n[13] Israel Zinberg, A History Of Jewish Literature. vol.V. The Jewish\n     Center of Culture in the Ottoman Empire (Hebrew Union College Press,\n     Ktav Publishers, New York, 1974).\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","2078":"From: mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 18\n\n>In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:\n\n\n>\n>It's Stankiewicz, not Stankowitz, and he's not Jewish - he's Polish\n>(by the way, the correct pronunciation - according to Stanky himself,\n>is \"ston-KEV-itch\". all the sportscasters get it wrong)\n>\n\n\nPolish and Jewish are *not* mutually exclusive.\n\n\n\n\n-- \nMark Singer    \nmss@netcom.com\n","2079":"From: ccohen@pitt.edu (Caleb N Cohen)\nSubject: Re: ABC coverage\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 22\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nAnna Matyas (am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote:\n\n: Antonio Pera writes:\n\n: >\tI loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance\n: >was excellent. It had a sleek modern look. This was the first time I heard\n: >Thorne & Clement & I thought they were great. My only request is to leave\n: >Al Micheals out of this. He annoys me. \n:\n: I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the\n: coverage.  I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage\n: of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting\n: back to the puck.\n\n   Boy - everyone has been ripping on ESPN's hockey coverage (or is it just\nPittsburgher's who are thrilled with Lange & Steigy?)  For all of you\nwho are unaware -> ESPN bought the air time from ABC and did all the \nproduction, advertising sales, commentating, etc -> and even \nreaped any $ made...\n\nEnjoy,\nCaleb\n","2080":"From: ekr@kyle.eitech.com (Eric Rescorla)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: EIT\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: kyle.eitech.com\n\nIn article <1qjbn0$na4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n>In article <kmr4.1571.734847050@po.CWRU.edu> kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n>#\tYou have only pushed back the undefined meaning. You must now define \n>#what \"objective values\" are.\n>\n>Really?  You don't know what objective value is?  If I offered the people\n>of the U.S., collectively, $1 for all of the land in America, would that \n>sound like a good deal?  \nWell, that would depend on how much we wanted the US and how much\nwe wanted the $1, wouldn't it?\n-Ekr\n\n-- \nEric Rescorla                                     ekr@eitech.com\n             Would you buy used code from this man?\n        \n","2081":"Organization: University of Central Florida - Computer Services\nFrom: Mark Woodruff <CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET>\nSubject: Many people on one machine\nLines: 9\n\nI have several people sharing my machine and would like to set up separate\nenvironments under Windows for each of them.  Is there some way of setting\nthings up separate desktops\/directories for each of them?  Ideally,\nI'd like totally separate virtual machines.  I'd be willing to settle for\nless, and may end up having batch files that copy .ini files around\ndepending on who wants to use the machine.\n\nmark\nAlas, Setup\/n doesn't work if you don't have a network.\n","2082":"From: pittam@fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au\nSubject: WordBasic SDK\nOrganization: Defence Science and Technology Organisation\nLines: 19\nReply-To: pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fencer.cis.dsto.gov.au\n\n\nRequest for Information\n\nI have been reading about an organisation called \"WinWord Developer's Relations\nGroup\".  I believe they have produced publications called WinWord Software\nDevelopment Kit (or WordBasic SDK) and 'The Proceedings of the Windows\nDevelopers' Tools Conference, WordBasic' sessions assembled by Steve Wexler.\n\nWould you be able to help me with a contact name and address for this\norganisation or these publications.\n\nThank you\n\n\n-- \n                 Adrian Pitt - Systems Administrator\n         DSTO Corporate Information Systems Unit (Melbourne)\n       506 Lorimer Street, Fishermens Bend, VIC 3207 Australia\n  Phone (03) 647 7881  Fax (03) 646 6061  email pitt@cis.dsto.gov.au\n","2083":"From: brain@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (harish.s.mangrulkar)\nSubject: Pocono Vacation House Rental\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 35\n\n\n\nAvailable for Weekly\/bi-weekly\/weekend Rental :\n\nA brand new chalet in a private resort community located in the heart\nof the Pocono Mountains. The chalet has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms and\nfeatures full carpeting, cathedral ceiling in living\/dining room, an\noverlooking loft, stone fireplace, wraparound deck, country kitchen\nwith all appliances and many other features too numerous to list them\nall. Its custom designed and built and tastefully furnished for the\ncomfort of 8 adults.\n\nThe community has 24 hour security and offers 2 large lakes, 4 sandy\nbeaches, 2 swimming pools, 9 tennis courts, many picnic areas,\n4 playgrounds, miniature golf, trout stream\/lake fishing, team softball,\nshuffleboard, ice skating\/tobagun run, teen dances, club house etc. etc.\n\nThere are many recreational facilities within easy reach of the\nvacation home. Ski resorts, luxury hotels with nitely entertaiment,\nPocono international raceway, golf courses, parks, gamelands,\nwhitewater rafting, horseback riding, scenic trails, waterfalls,\ntrain rides, historical places, all kinds of restaurants,\nfactory outlet malls, tourist attractions, just to name a few.\n\nThis is an ideal place for a family\/group vacation or a weekend\ngetaway. There is no traffic congestion and air or water pollution\nand its only 2 hours from New York, Northern New Jersey and\nPhiladelphia.\n\nFor further information call :\n\n                     908-834-1254 (daytime)\n                     908-388-5880 (evenings and weekends)\n\n\n","2084":"From: spork@camelot.bradley.edu (Richard Izzo)\nSubject: Re: Royals\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: Bradley University\nDistribution: na\nLines: 20\n\nIn <randall.734911319@moose> randall@informix.com (Randall Rhea) writes:\n\n>The Royals are darkness.  They are the void of our time.\n>When they play, shame descends upon the land like a cold front\n>from Canada.   They are a humiliation to all who have lived and\n>all who shall ever live.   They are utterly and completely\n>doomed.\n>Other than that, I guess they're OK.\n\n\tOh, lighten up.  What depresses me is that they might actually \nfinish last, which I believe hasn't happened since their second season in \n1970.  Never mind that Gubizca is 0-2 with a 16.50 ERA, Gardner at 7.50,\nour main recent acquisitions (Lind, McReynolds, Jose) are averaging .210,\nDavid Cone is 0-2 (about how he was doing in KC before joining the Mets \nseveral years ago), our hitting sucks, and our pitching has collapsed, \nand we've won one game at home; they've won more games in their first ten\ngames than last year, and Brian McRae is actually batting over the \nMendoza line!\n\nrich.\n","2085":"From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)\nSubject: Re: Clinton wants National ID card, aka USSR-style \"Internal Passport\"\nNntp-Posting-Host: ucsu.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <C5JIF8.I4n@boi.hp.com> slack@boi.hp.com (David Slack) writes:\n>The idea of the card is bull in and of its self, but I'm curious to know, do \n>they plan on making it a requirement to *always* have it on you, or is it \n>only going to be required to be *presented* when trying to ge medical aid?\n\nThis, at least, has already been determined: The Blue Cross medical\ncoverage for all federal employees is a good model for a future\nnational system. To get emergency medical care, anyone so insured\nmust always carry their Blue Cross card. Before entering a hospital,\nyou must notify Blue Cross, or they will refuse to pay your bills. \nIn an emergency, where you must be treated before notifying them, \nyou must inform them within 24 hours or (if you are unable to do\nso for medical reasons) the hospital must. Failing to do so within\n24 hours means they will not cover the hospitalization. In you need\nyour card to notify them (and without the card, the hospital certainly\nwouldn't know they had to.) Therefore, you are required to carry\nthe card at all times, or do without emergency medical coverage.\n\n                                                 Frank Crary\n                                                 CU Boulder\n\n","2086":"From: edwards@world.std.com (Jonathan Edwards)\nSubject: Toyota Land Cruiser worth it?\nOrganization: IntraNet, Inc.\nLines: 10\n\nIn response to a post about SUV's, I got several unsolicited recommendations to\ncheck out the Land Cruiser, despite its astronomical price.\nThe Toyota dealer told me it's a \"cult car\".\nIf a car is good enough to create a passionate and loyal following, there\nmust be something really extraordinary about it.\nSo, all you Land Crusher Cultists - here is your chance to convert me.\n\n-- \nJonathan Edwards\t\t\t\tedwards@intranet.com\nIntraNet, Inc\t\t\t\t\t617-527-7020\n","2087":"From: ata@hfsi.hfsi.com ( John Ata)\nSubject: Re: DID HE REALLY RISE???\nReply-To: <news@opl.com>\nOrganization: HFSI\nLines: 40\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.26.15.1993.1349@geneva.rutgers.edu> reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu writes:\n\n>The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on\n>the biblical text.  Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to\n>the hermeneia commentary on Acts).  Moreover Luke's account is written at\n>least 90 years after the fact.  In the meantime everyone he mentions has died\n>and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up\n>with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established.\n>Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in \n>Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts. \n\nEven if there was no independent proof that Luke's account was\nvalid, I find it strange that you would take the negation of it as\ntruth without any direct historical evidence (at least that you've\nmentioned) to back it up.  The assertion was made, unequivocally\nthat no Christian ever sufferred for their faith by believing in\nthe Resurrection.  Luke's account suggests otherwise, and in the\nabsence of direct eyewitnesses who can claim that Luke is mistaken,\nthen I suggest that this unequivocal assertion is suspect.\n\n>randy\n\n\n-- \nJohn G. Ata - Technical Consultant | Internet:  ata@hfsi.com\nHFS, Inc.\t\t  VA20     |     UUCP:  uunet!hfsi!ata\n7900 Westpark Drive\t MS:601\t   |    Voice:\t(703) 827-6810\nMcLean, VA  22102\t           |      FAX:\t(703) 827-3729\n\n[I think the original claim may have been somewhat more limited than\nthis.  It was an answer to the claim that the witnesses couldn't\nbe lying because they were willign to suffer for their beliefs.\nThus it's not necessary to show that no Christian ever suffered\nfor believing in the Resurrection.  Rather the issue is whether\nthose who witnessed it did.\n\nI do agree that the posting you're responding to shows that there\ncan be liberal as well as conservative dogmatism.\n\n--clh]\n","2088":"From: jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey)\nSubject: Re: Quadra 900\/950 differences\nOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nLines: 43\n\njim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov (Jim Jagielski) writes:\n\n>jbailey@world.std.com (jim bailey) writes:\n\n>>rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu (Robert David Klapper) writes:\n\n>>>\tI also believe that the 950 fixed a bug in the CPU which screwed up\n>>>some floating point calculations.\n>>>-- \n>>>Robert D. Klapper\n>>>Washington University in St. Louis\n>>>rdk2@cec2.wustl.edu\n>>>Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology:  There's always one more bug.\n\n>>Does someone have any definite information on this.  This is the\n>>first I've heard of it.  How does the CPU get fixed by a hardware\n>>upgrade?  This doesn't make much sense to me.\n\n>Let's see now... The differences between the 950 and 900 are\n>basically:\n\n>\t1. Runs at 33MHz, not 25MHz\n>\t2. Has 25MHz I\/O bus, not 16MHz\n>\t3. Upgraded Graphics controller\n>\t4. #3 results in Q950 requiring 80ns VRAM, not 100ns\n>\t5. ROM fixes:\n>\t    a. rounding errors in floating point calculations\n>\t       at 15th digit\n\nSo patch the ROMs with the latest OS version.  I don't see\nhow this is a problem.\n\n>\t    b. Ethernet problems with more than 16 buffers\n\n>So, no doubt, the person was refering to 5a, hardly \"screwing\n>up\" though :)\n\n>-- \n>    Jim Jagielski               |  \"And he's gonna stiff me. So I say,\n>    jim@jagubox.gsfc.nasa.gov   |   'Hey! Lama! How about something,\n>    NASA\/GSFC, Code 734.4       |   you know, for the effort!'\"\n>    Greenbelt, MD 20771         |\n\n","2089":"From: downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs)\nSubject: Re: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP\nLines: 18\nNntp-Posting-Host: cat.lv-lib.nevada.edu\nOrganization: UNLV\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.155637.15398@oracle.us.oracle.com> ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco) writes:\n>From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)\n>Subject: Windows 3.1 keeps crashing: Please HELP\n>Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 15:56:37 GMT\n>\n>As the subjects says, Windows 3.1 keeps crashing (givinh me GPF) on me of  \n>late.  It was never a very stable package, but now it seems to crash every  \n>day.  The worst part about it is that it does not crash consistently: ie I  \n\nHave you tried setting FILES in your config.sys file to a fairly high\nnumber? (I've got mine set to 100; I've seen numbers from 40 to 100 \nrecommended). Also check your STACKS statement, STACKS=9,256 is a good\nstarting point. Try increasing it if it's already set there (such as\nto STACKS=12,256, etc.). Both STACKS and FILES have been identified as\n_one_ cause of frequent Win3.1 crashes.\n\nLamont Downs\ndowns@nevada.edu\n","2090":"From: frp@table.NSD.3Com.COM (Frank R. Pereira)\nSubject: Moving Sale\nDistribution: ba\nOrganization: 3Com Corporation\nLines: 10\nNntp-Posting-Host: table.nsd.3com.com\n\nMoving Sale: Must sell before May 5:\nFuton:  high-end, oak, queen, like new -- $250\nComputer Desk:  roll-top, locks securely, like new -- $100\nColor TV:  13\", perfect cond., great for bedroom -- $50\t( ***SOLD)\nCoffee Tables\/Dresser:  $40 or B.O.\nLamps:  $10\nMake an offer!!\n\nAsk for Esther: 415\/571-6062 eve\n\t\t408\/736-0490 day\n","2091":"From: arf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling)\nSubject: Re: Gritz\/JBS\/Liberty Lobby\/LaRouche\/Christic Insitute\/Libertarian\/....\nOrganization: MCSNet Contributor, Chicago, IL\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.mcs.com\n\nIn article <1qanj0$22d@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John W. Redelfs) writes:\n>How many are aware that the Gun Control Act of 1968 is a verbatim translation\n>of a Nazi gun control law passed shortly before the Holocaust?\n>\n>For those of you who think I'm being paranoid in asking these questions,\n>pray that you are right.  Unchecked democracies usually end in\n>dictatorship.  Remember, Germany was a democracy when Hitler rose to power. \n>Can we be absolutely certain nothing like that could happen today? \n\nI can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in\nour society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward\none world government.  The fact that the media demeans such charished \nvalues as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the\nclues.  The fact that we are sapping the economic strength of americans\nto prop up a former and possibly future enemy is just another.  The fact\nthe words like community of nations, global village and international\nbusiness are in vogue are others.  International corporations are \ndestroying our identy and economy and the propaganda they are playing\nthrough the media and government is over powering our ability to resist.\nOur porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that we have\nalready lost a great deal of sovergnty.\n\nThe bottome line is that the single most evil aspect of One World\nGovernment is that you have nowhere to run to and history has proven\nthat would be a disaster.  \n\nBeware the LIBERAL and the conservative and the moderate.  Think for yourself\n\n","2092":"From: firman@envmsa.eas.asu.edu (B B S)\nSubject: Re: VIPER\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1  \nOrganization: Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <C5JnHA.8IB@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, rmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes...\n> \n>Last night I had a dream that my dad bought a Viper.\n>I took it out for a test drive, without his knowledge,\n>and had to push it all the way home just to avoid a ticket.\n>Wierd dream, I wonder what it means....\n> \nYou probably should told you dad to buy that car, than your dream might\ncome true.\n\n","2093":"Subject: Re: Americans and Evolution\nFrom: rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota)\nReply-To: rfox@charlie.usd.edu\nOrganization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.\nNntp-Posting-Host: charlie\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1pik3i$1l4@fido.asd.sgi.com>, livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n>In article <C4u51L.8Bv@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:\n>|>\n>|> \n>|> Why do you spend so much time posting here if your atheism is so\n>|> incidental, if the question of God is trivial? Fess up, it matters to\n>|> you a great deal.\n>\n>Ask yourself two questions.\n>\n>\t1.   How important is Mithras in your life today?\n>\n>\t2.   How important would Mithras become if there was a\n>\t     well funded group of fanatics trying to get the\n>\t     schools system to teach your children that Mithras\n>\t     was the one true God?\n>\n>jon.\n\nRight on, Jon!  Who cares who or whose, as long as it works for the individual.\nBut don't try to impose those beliefs on us or our children.  I would add the\nwell-funded group tries also to purge science, to deny children access to great\nwonders and skills.  And how about the kids born to creationists?  What a\nburden with which to begin adult life.  It must be a cruel awakening for those\nwho finally see the light, provided it is possible to escape from the depths of\nthis type of ignorance.\n","2094":"From: claice@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Farmer Ted)\nSubject: Re: Space Debris\nNntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu\nOrganization: University of Colorado, Boulder\nLines: 14\n\n> There is this buy at NASA Langley...\n\n\n\n\nYES! Give me his name I would greatly appreciate it.\n\n\n\nRich\n\n\"The Earth is a cradle of the mind.  But, we cannot live forever in a cradle\"\n                         K.E. Tsiolkovski \n\t\t\t Father of Russian Astronautics\n","2095":"From: schlegel@cwis.unomaha.edu (Mark Schlegel)\nSubject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics\nOrganization: University of Nebraska at Omaha\nLines: 86\n\ntimmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes:\n\n>\tAtheism denies the existence of God.  This is logically bankrupt --\n>where is the proof of this nonexistence?  It's a joke.\n\n This is one of my favorite fallacious points against atheism, i.e. the \n belief that you can't deny anything that you can't prove doesn't exist.\n This is easily nailed by showing that an infinite number of beings are\n conceivable but not observed to exist, does this mean that we would have\n to believe in all of them?  According to the above poster, we must believe\n in objects or beings that haven't been proved not to exist so why stop at\n God?   (there could be a huge number of beings identical to Ronald Reagan\n except for trivial differences, say one is missing a finger, one has blond\n hair,... and they all live  on other planets so we can't see them)  The \n reason no one but atheists bring this up is that none of these christians\n have a vested interest in these unknown beings with the exception of God.\n\n>Fine, but why do these people shoot themselves in the foot and mock the idea of\n>a God?  Here again is a classic atheist fallacy.\n\n How did they shoot themselves in the foot?\n\n>\tRadical Muslims, the Crusades, the Inquisition are common examples that\n>atheists like to bring up as marks against religion.  How weak!  Only fools can\n>take that drivel seriously.  How about the grand-daddy of all human atrocities,\n>the Stalinist movement?\n>\tTwenty eight MILLION people _killed_ under this leadership, which\n>proudly featured atheism.\n\n  There is a big difference here, Stalin didn't say that he stood for a \n  particular moral position (i.e. against murder and terrorism, etc.) and\n  then did the opposite (like the religious movements), he was at least\n  an honest killer.  (This is NOT a support of Stalin but an attack on this\n  viewpoint).  Saying that atheism supports murder and violence just because\n  one man was a tyrant and an atheist is just bad logic, look at all the\n  russians that helped Stalin that weren't atheists - don't they contradict\n  your point?  Besides your point assumes that his atheism was relevant\n  to his murdering people, this is just the common assumption that atheists\n  can't value life as much as theists (which you didn't support).  \n\n>\tAgnostics are not as funny because they are more reasonable.  Yet\n>they do in some sense seem funny because they believe that the existence of God\n>is unknowable.  This in itself is every bit the assumption that atheism is,\n>though it's less arrogant and pompous.\n\n Ah, and here's another point you didn't get out of the FAQ.  An atheist\n doesn't have to hold the positive view that god doesn't exist, he\/she may\n just have the non-existence of the positive belief.  Here's the example:\n \n Strong atheism - \"I believe god does not exist\"   a positive belief\n\n Weak atheism   - \"I don't believe in a god\"       a negative belief\n \n these are NOT the same, some one that has never thought of the idea of\n god in their whole life is technically an atheist, but not the kind that\n you are calling unreasonable.  Or let's look at it this way (in sets)\n \n suppose that a given person has a huge set of ideas that I will represent\n as capital letters and these people then either believe that these ideas\n exist as real objects or not.  So if S = santa, then E(S)= no is the person\n not believing in santa but still having the idea of santa.  But notice that\n even E(S) = no  is itself another idea!  This means you have lots of cases:\n \n christian :  (A,E(A)=yes,B,E(B)=no,  . . . G,E(G)=yes......) where G = god\n \n atheist (strong) : (A,E(A). . . . .G,E(G)=no)\n \n atheist (weak) : (A,.....E)     i.e. no G at all in the set\n \n agnostic :  (A,.......G, E(G) = indeterminate, E', ....) \n\n\n>\tWhy are people so afraid to say \"undecided\"?  It must just be another\n>feature of human nature -- \"undecided\" is not a sexy, trendy, or glamorous\n>word.  It does not inspire much hate or conflict.  It's not blasphemous.\n>It's not political.  In fact it is too often taken to mean unsophisticated.\n\n Nietzsche once said that a man would rather will nonexistence than not\n  will at all but the darwinist way to put this is that humanity always \n  prefers no or yes to a maybe because indecision is not a useful survival\n  trait, evolution has drilled it in us to take positions, even false ones.\n\n\n>Bake Timmons, III\n\nM.S.\n","2096":"From: ntaib@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)\nSubject: Re: Win NT - what is it???\nNntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes:\n\n>Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a \n>multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc.  I certainly haven't\n>seen this to be the case.  There are seperate accounts for each person,\n>and even seperate directories if that is desired.  I don't see an \n>implentation of simultaneuos use though.\n\nSince running any GUI over a network is going to slow it down by a\nfair amount, I expect Windows NT will be multiuser only in the sense\nof sharing filesystems. Someone will likely write a telnetd for it so\none could run character-based apps, but graphics-based apps will have\nto be shared by running the executables on the local CPU. This is how\nthings are shaping up everywhere: client-server architectures are\ntaking over from the old cpu-terminal setups. \n\nNote that the NeXT does this: you can always telnet into a NeXT and\nrun character-based apps but you can't run the GUI. (Yeah, I know\nabout X-Windows, just haven't been too impressed by it...)..\n\n\n\n\n\n\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nIskandar Taib                          | The only thing worse than Peach ala\nInternet: NTAIB@SILVER.UCS.INDIANA.EDU |    Frog is Frog ala Peach\nBitnet:   NTAIB@IUBACS                 !\n","2097":"From: cash@convex.com (Peter Cash)\nSubject: Re: Need advice with doctor-patient relationship problem\nNntp-Posting-Host: zeppelin.convex.com\nOrganization: The Instrumentality\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n              not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <C5L9qB.4y5@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n>Sounds as though his heart's in the right place, but he is not adept at\n>expressing it.  What you received was _meant_ to be a profound apology.\n>Apologies delivered by overworked shy people often come out like that...\n\nHis _heart_? This jerk doesn't have a heart, and it beats me why you're\napologizing for him. In my book, behavior like this is unprofessional,\ninexcusable, and beyond the pale. If he's overworked, it's because he's too\nbusy raking in the bucks. More likely, he just likes to push women around.\nI'd fire the s.o.b., and get myself another doctor.\n\n-- \n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n             |      Die Welt ist alles, was Zerfall ist.     |\nPeter Cash   |       (apologies to Ludwig Wittgenstein)      |cash@convex.com\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n","2098":"To: gnu-gdb-bug@gatech.edu\nDistribution: world\nFrom: deepak@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Deepak Mulchandani)\nSubject: Help in developing a X-Windows interface for GDB\nOrganization: Motorola, Semiconductor Products Sector\nLines: 39\n\nHi,\n\n  I am trying to write an X-windows based interface that runs on top of GDB. Could \nanyone help me in understanding the way we are supposed to \"fork\" GDB off as a \nsubprocess ?? I currently use pipes but when I try and debug this program, the \nfollowing happens :\n\nPROGRAM :\n\n\tmain()\n\t{\n           int x;\n \n\n\t   printf(\"enter x : \");\n           scanf(\"%d\", &x);\n           printf(\"x = .%d.\\n\", x );\n\n        }\n\nOUTPUT :\n\n\tThe program hangs without returning the output of the printf statement. When I type\nin a value (like 5), then all the printf's output comes out at one time.\n\n\nIs there any other way, besides using PIPES to do this i.e., like ioctl or something else ??\n\nThanks,\n\nDeepak\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDeepak Mulchandani\nAdvanced Products Research and Development Laboratory\nMotorola, Semiconductor Products Sector\nAustin, TX\n(512) 928-7642 \t\t\t\t\t\t\t     deepak@inxs.sps.mot.com\n\n","2099":"From: foster@mtechca.maintech.com\nSubject: Catholic Lit-Crit of a.s.s.\nOrganization: MAINTECH, A division of Volt Delta Resources,Inc. Orange, CA.\nLines: 64\n\nIn article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu \n(Dennis Kriz) writes:\n\n[ a lot of religious opinions and quotations from the Bible and from \nmany Catholic theologians and Papal Bulls ]\n\n[ which, although introduced with a smiley, was not as funny as it\nmight have been (notable exception: subject headers such as \"ONE'S \nDICK IS ONE'S INSTRUMENT OF REDEMPTION.\" ]\n\n[ and indeed, the posting seemed to be more a vehicle for the\nreligious text than for any \"literary\/moral analysis\" ]\n\nI am surprised and saddened. I would expect this kind of behavior\nfrom the Evangelical Born-Again Gospel-Thumping In-Your-Face We're-\nThe-Only-True-Christian Protestants, but I have always thought \nthat Catholics behaved better than this.\n\nFriend Dennis, I urge you to follow the example of your fellow\nCatholics, of who I count many dozens as my friends, and practice\nyour faith through good example and decent living and respect\nfor the common humanity of others. Please do not stoop to the\nlevel of the E B-A G-T I-Y-F W-T-O-T-C Protestants, who think\nthat the best way to witness is to be strident, intrusive, loud,\ninsulting and overbearingly self-righteous.\n\nThe imagery in the Song of Solomon is a little bit dated (get it? \nMiddle East - date palms - oh, never mind) but apparently acceptable, \non a steaminess level, to be accepted as part of the canon. From\nthis fact I derive that erotica itself is not incompatible with\nCatholic doctrine.\n\nIs there such a thing as Catholic erotica? Not necessarily a love\nstory between people of that faith, but a love story that is not\nexploitative, does not seek redemption through penis size, pays\nproper respect to the dignity of each partner, and is still erotic\nenough to have a place on a.s.s.\n\nI would submit that the _Darknites_ series of stories qualify, also\nmost of the _Journal Entries_, and _Rings I and II_.\n\nI would guess that your aim is to cut down on the pornography and\nincrease the erotica. I actually agree with you that nearly all of\nthe \"I've got an enormous dick, and I shot my wad all over her face\"\nstories are crap. I count them as noise, which makes my take on the\nsignal-to-noise ration much lower than many other people's.\n\nSince you are one of the few posters here who can actually write \ndecent prose, could you write a few stories for us instead of\noverwhelming us with commentary?  \n\n> Anyway, this is a big subject.  PLEASE add your comments,\n> additions and observations.\n> \n> Sincerely,\n> \n> dennis\n> dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu\n> \n-- \nThank you.\n\nJeff\nfoster@mtechca.maintech.com\n","2100":"From: surfer@world.std.com (Internet Surfer)\nSubject: 6551A and 6551 compatibility\nOrganization: Boston Computer Society \/ ISIG\nLines: 10\n\nDoes any one know if the 6551 is timing\/pin compatible with the 6551.. \nIt seems the 6551 has in iheirent bug with cts\/rts handshaking and i need\na suitable pin replacement to put in my serial card... possibly a buffered\nversion perhaps?\n\n\n-- \njolt@gnu.ai.mit.edu\t      |    Its not impossible, just improbable\njohnp@pro.angmar.uucp         |            (Zaphod Beeblbrox)\nbl298@cleveland.freenet.edu   |   N1NIG@amsat.org (Being a Ham is so grand)\n","2101":"From: rogerskm@eplrx7.es.duPont.com (Karen Rogers)\nSubject: Remapping <return> key in a dialog\nOrganization: DuPont Central Research & Development\nLines: 58\n\nI am new to X programming, so please bear with me....\n\nI am trying to have a dialog box that returns it's value upon the\nuser entering a new value and hitting the <return> key. (don't want\nto have a \"done\" button).  The piece of code below will work if\nI exclude the XtNvalue argument but will not work as is. Can someone\nshed some light on this or suggest a better way?  Ultimately I will\nhave several areas active at the same time to allow a user to modify\nparameters in the program.  \n\n\nThanks for your help,\n\nKaren Rogers\nDupont\nrogerskm@pluto.es.dupont.com\n\n######### Code starts here ################\nvoid doit()\n{\nprintf(\"Entered the doit function\\n\");\nexit();\n}\n\nmain(argc, argv)\nint argc;\nchar **argv;\n{\nWidget toplevel;\nWidget outer;\nXtAppContext app_con;\nWidget samples;\nArg args[3];\nstatic XtActionsRec key_actions[]= \n    {\n    {\"doit\", doit},\n    };\n\ntoplevel = XtVaAppInitialize(&app_con, \"TEST\", NULL, 0,\n\t                       &argc, argv, NULL, NULL);\n\nouter = XtCreateManagedWidget( \"paned\", panedWidgetClass, toplevel,\n\t\t\t\t\tNULL, ZERO);\n\nXtAppAddActions(app_con, key_actions, XtNumber(key_actions));\n\nXtSetArg(args[0], XtNlabel, \"Enter value\");\nXtSetArg(args[1], XtNvalue, \"0\");\n\nsamples = XtCreateManagedWidget(\"samples\", dialogWidgetClass,outer,args,2);\n\nXtOverrideTranslations(samples, \n\t  XtParseTranslationTable(\"<Key>Return: doit()\"));\n   \nXtRealizeWidget(toplevel);\nXtAppMainLoop(app_con);\n}\n\n","2102":"From: rgolder@hoh.mbl.edu (Robert Golder)\nSubject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism\nOrganization: Marine Biological Laboratory\nLines: 39\n\nIn article <Apr.13.00.08.04.1993.28376@athos.rutgers.edu>, \nmcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:\n> \n> In article <Apr.12.03.44.17.1993.18833@athos.rutgers.edu> \nheath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:\n> >\n> >\tI realize I'm entering this discussion rather late, but I do\n> >have one question. Wasn't it a Reagan appointee, James Watt, a\n> >pentacostal christian (I think) who was the secretary of the interior\n> >who saw no problem with deforestation since we were \"living in the\n> >last days\" and ours would be the last generation to see the redwoods\n> >anyway?\n> \n> I heard the same thing, but without confirmation that he actually said it.\n> It was just as alarming to us as to you; the Bible says that nobody knows\n> when the second coming will take place.\n> \n> -- \n> :-  Michael A. Covington\n\nI do recall Watt making a comment to this effect, though it was quite a few\nyears back and I can't cite the specifics.  I also recall that Cecil Andrus, who\nwas Secretary of the Interior during the Carter Administration, responded\nto Watt's comments by pointing out the stewardship role that God gave\nto man, as recorded in Genesis.  Which makes me wonder: who are the\ntrue conservatives?  It seems to me that a *conservative* should want to\n*conserve* things of value for long-term societal benefit.  This form of\n*conservation* should logically extend to the physical environment in \nwhich people live, as well as the moral environment in which they relate\nto one another and to God.\n\nIMHO, Watt's stewardship status is not enhanced by the fact that he served \non the board of directors for Jim Bakker's organization, during a time in \nwhich Bakker committed criminal acts which eventually landed Bakker \nin federal prison.\n\nBob\nrgolder@hoh.mbl.edu\nJust another Baptist...\n","2103":"From: whughes@lonestar.utsa.edu (William W. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: Tempest\nNntp-Posting-Host: lonestar.utsa.edu\nOrganization: University of Texas at San Antonio\nDistribution: na\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.105915.5584@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk\n(Ross Anderson) writes:\n>res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:\n>> Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent\n>> to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks?\n>We've got a tempest receiver in the lab here, and there's no difficulty in\n>picking up individual monitors. Their engineering tolerances are slack enough\n>that they tend to radiate on different frequencies. Even where they overlap, you\n>can discriminate because they have different line synch frequencies - you can\n>lock in on one and average the others out.\n>\n>The signals are weird in any case, with varying polarisations and all sorts\n>of interactions with the building. Just moving a folded dipole around is also\n>highly effective as a (randomised) means of switching from one monitor to\n>another,\n>\nHell, just set up a spark jammer, or some other _very_ electrically-noisy\ndevice. Or build an active Farrady cage around the room, with a \"noise\"\nsignal piped into it. While these measures will not totally mask the\nemissions of your equipment, they will provide sufficient interference to\nmake remote monitoring a chancy proposition, at best. There is, of course,\nthe consideration that these measures may (and almost cretainly will)\ncause a certain amount of interference in your own systems. It's a matter\nof balancing security versus convenience.\n\nBTW, I'm an ex-Air Force Telecommunications Systems Control Supervisor and\nTelecommunications\/Cryptographic Equipment Technician.\n\n-- \n                            REMEMBER WACO!\n     Who will the government decide to murder next? Maybe you?\n[Opinions are mine; I don't care if you blame the University or the State.]\n","2104":"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nSubject: Cryptography FAQ 06\/10 - Public Key Cryptography\nOrganization: The Crypt Cabal\nLines: 108\nExpires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT\nReply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com\nSummary: Part 6 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Public Key Cryptography.\n Basics of public-key cryptography. The RSA version, its security, \n speed of factoring. Other approaches.\nX-Last-Updated: 1993\/04\/16\n\nArchive-name: cryptography-faq\/part06\nLast-modified: 1993\/4\/15\n\n\nFAQ for sci.crypt, part 6: Public-Key Cryptography\n\nThis is the sixth of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are\nmostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.\nWe don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.\nNotes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.\n\nThe sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu \nas \/pub\/usenet\/news.answers\/cryptography-faq\/part[xx].  The Cryptography \nFAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers \nevery 21 days.\n\n\nContents:\n\n* What is public-key cryptography?\n* What's RSA?\n* Is RSA secure?\n* How fast can people factor numbers?\n* What about other public-key cryptosystems?\n\n\n* What is public-key cryptography?\n\n  In a classic cryptosystem, we have encryption functions E_K and\n  decryption functions D_K such that D_K(E_K(P)) = P for any plaintext\n  P. In a public-key cryptosystem, E_K can be easily computed from some\n  ``public key'' X which in turn is computed from K. X is published, so\n  that anyone can encrypt messages. If D_K cannot be easily computed\n  from X, then only the person who generated K can decrypt messages.\n  That's the essence of public-key cryptography, published by Diffie\n  and Hellman in 1976.\n\n  In a classic cryptosystem, if you want your friends to be able to\n  send secret messages to you, you have to make sure nobody other than\n  them sees the key K. In a public-key cryptosystem, you just publish X,\n  and you don't have to worry about spies.\n\n  This is only the beginning of public-key cryptography. There is an\n  extensive literature on security models for public-key cryptography,\n  applications of public-key cryptography, other applications of the\n  mathematical technology behind public-key cryptography, and so on.\n\n* What's RSA?\n\n  RSA is a public-key cryptosystem defined by Rivest, Shamir, and\n  Adleman.  For full details, there is a FAQ available by ftp at\n  RSA.COM. Here's a small example.\n\n  Plaintexts are positive integers up to 2^{512}. Keys are quadruples\n  (p,q,e,d), with p a 256-bit prime number, q a 258-bit prime number,\n  and d and e large numbers with (de - 1) divisible by (p-1)(q-1). We\n  define E_K(P) = P^e mod pq, D_K(C) = C^d mod pq.\n\n  Now E_K is easily computed from the pair (pq,e)---but, as far as\n  anyone knows, there is no easy way to compute D_K from the pair\n  (pq,e). So whoever generates K can publish (pq,e). Anyone can send a\n  secret message to him; he is the only one who can read the messages.\n\n* Is RSA secure?\n\n  Nobody knows. An obvious attack on RSA is to factor pq into p and q.\n  See below for comments on how fast state-of-the-art factorization\n  algorithms run. Unfortunately nobody has the slightest idea how to\n  prove that factorization---or any realistic problem at all, for that\n  matter---is inherently slow. It is easy to formalize what we mean by\n  ``RSA is\/isn't strong''; but, as Hendrik W. Lenstra, Jr., says,\n  ``Exact definitions appear to be necessary only when one wishes to\n  prove that algorithms with certain properties do _not_ exist, and\n  theoretical computer science is notoriously lacking in such negative\n  results.''\n\n* How fast can people factor numbers?\n\n  It depends on the size of the numbers. In October 1992 Arjen Lenstra\n  and Dan Bernstein factored 2^523 - 1 into primes, using about three\n  weeks of MasPar time. (The MasPar is a 16384-processor SIMD machine;\n  each processor can add about 200000 integers per second.) The\n  algorithm there is called the ``number field sieve''; it is quite a\n  bit faster for special numbers like 2^523 - 1 than for general numbers\n  n, but it takes time only about exp(O(log^{1\/3} n log^{2\/3} log n)) in\n  any case.\n\n  An older and more popular method for smaller numbers is the ``multiple\n  polynomial quadratic sieve'', which takes time exp(O(log^{1\/2} n\n  log^{1\/2} log n))---faster than the number field sieve for small n,\n  but slower for large n. The breakeven point is somewhere between 100\n  and 150 digits, depending on the implementations.\n\n  Factorization is a fast-moving field---the state of the art just a few\n  years ago was nowhere near as good as it is now. If no new methods are\n  developed, then 2048-bit RSA keys will always be safe from\n  factorization, but one can't predict the future. (Before the number\n  field sieve was found, many people conjectured that the quadratic\n  sieve was asymptotically as fast as any factoring method could be.)\n\n* What about other public-key cryptosystems?\n\n  We've talked about RSA because it's well known and easy to describe.\n  But there are lots of other public-key systems around, many of which\n  are faster than RSA or depend on problems more widely believed to be\n  difficult. This has been just a brief introduction; if you really want\n  to learn about the many facets of public-key cryptography, consult the\n  books and journal articles listed in part 10.\n","2105":"From: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu (MICHAEL BITZ)\nSubject: I WANT YOUR 486sx or dx CHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!\nLines: 14\nOrganization: Dakota State University\nLines: 14\n\n\n\tI am in the market for a couple of Intel 486 chips.\n\tPlease let me know if you have one (or more) for sale.\n\tI am interested in both SX and DX models, but they\n\tmust be Intel.\n\t\n\temail me at: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu\n\n\n------------------------------------------------------------\nMike Bitz                   Internet: bitzm@columbia.dsu.edu\nResearch and Development              bitzm@dsuvax.dsu.edu\nDakota State University       Bitnet: s93020@sdnet.bitnet\n\n","2106":"From: troll@sug.org (A. Newman)\nSubject: Re: Trouble compiling X11R5 on SunOS_4.1.3\nArticle-I.D.: world.C52nBL.u5\nOrganization: Sun User Group\nLines: 192\nNntp-Posting-Host: bridge.sug.org\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.081605.12977@fwi.uva.nl> casper@fwi.uva.nl (Casper H.S. Dik) writes:\n>epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein) writes:\n>\n>>dmm@head-cfa.harvard.edu (David Meleedy) writes:\n>>There's a bug in SunOS 4.1.3, which is alluded to in the FAQ (although\n>>there it's talking about X11R4 as being affected).  You need to force\n>>libXmu to be linked statically, rather than dynamically, which works\n>>around the linker error.  The simplest thing to do is edit each of\n>>the Makefiles where there's a failure and change the line which reads:\n>>\tXMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -lXmu\n>>to:\n>>\tXMULIB = -L$(XMUSRC) -Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic\n>\n>No. This is only relevant for OpenWindows 3.x as shipped with SunOS.\n>It is not relevant for MIT R5. 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Therefore the UK should have control over itself. \n> However, this does not change the fact that it is possible for citizens\n> of the UK residing within the UK to be in violation of Islamic law.\n\nThis is an interesting notion -- and one I'm scared of. In my\ncase I'm a Finnish citizen, I live in USA, and I have to conform\nto the US laws. However, the Finnish government is not actively\nchecking out what I'm doing in this country, in other words checking\nout if I conform to the Finnish laws.\n\nHowever, Islamic law seems to be a 'curse' that is following you\neverywhere in the world. Shades of 1984, eh?\n\nCheers,\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n","2108":"From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) \nSubject: Spagthorpe Viking\nReply-To: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Computer Dynamics-Vancouver B.C.-(604)986-9937 (604)255-9937\nLines: 103\n\nDS>From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)\n\nDS>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:\n\nDS>>Riding up the hill leading to my\nDS>>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to\nDS>>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to\nDS>>the Spagthorpe Viking).\n\nDS>        I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking.  Was\nDS>that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front\nDS>fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers?\n\nNo. Not at all. The Viking was a trick little unit made way back when\n(forties? fifties?) when Spag was trying to make a go of it in racing.\nThe first iteration (the Springer) was a boxer twin, very similar to Max\nFriz's famous design, but with an overhead \"point cam\" (see below for\nmore on the valvetrain). The problem was that the thing had no ground\nclearance whatsoever. The solution was to curve the cylinder bores, so\nthat the ground clearance was substantially increased:\n\n\n      ==@==   <-Springer motor (front)\n                 Viking motor (front) ->   \\=@=\/\n\nThis is roughly the idea, except that the bores were gradually curved\naround a radius, as the pistons were loath to make a sharp-angled turn\nin the middle of their stroke. The engine also had curved connecting\nrods to accomodate the stroke.\n\nThe engine stuck out so far because of its revolutionary (and still\nunique) overhead cam system. Through the use of clever valve timing and\nand extrordinarily trick valve linkage, only a single cam lobe was\nrequired to drive both overhead valves.\n\nJust as revolutionary was the hydraulic valve actuation, which used a\npressurized stream of oil to power the \"waterwheel\" which kept the lobe\nspinning over. One side effect that required some rather brutal\nengineering fixes was that until the engine's oil pressure came up to\nnormal, the engine's valve timing would be more or less random,\nresulting in some impressive start-up valve damage. The solution was a\nlittle hand crank that pressurized the cases before you started the\nbeast, remarkably similar to the system used in new Porsches to\npressurize the oil system before the car is started (the cage, however,\nuses an electric oil pump. Wimps).\n\nDespite this fix, the engine had a nasty propensity for explosively\nfiring its valves into the pistons when a cylinder would temporarily\nlose a bit of oil pressure in a corner. The solution was to run even\nhigher oil pressures and change the gaskets and seals regularly. This\nwas feasible because it was a racing engine.\n\nWith just a single overhead lobe, and no pushrod\/shaft\/chain towers\nbecause of the hydraulic system, the head of the engine came to an\nalmost perfect point:\n\n                    \/\\\n                   \/()\\   <-lobe\n                  \/ XX \\  <-complex linkage (not shown due to\n valvestems ->   \/ \\  \/ \\    complexity)\n                |  |   | |\n                |  |===| |\n                    =0=  <---piston\n                     |\n                             Note that the tip was not truly vertical\n                             (it was at about a 70 degree angle to the\n                             ground, and this drawing doesn't show the\n                             curvature because there was none in the\n                             head itself. The bore curve would start\n                             about where the cylinder bore disappears in\n                             this diagram\n\n\nThe effect of the pointy heads on top of a pair of gently (pundits of\nthe day even said sensuously) curved cylinders was much like a pair of\nfinned Viking horns poking out from beneath the gas tank. Thus, the\nname.\n\nThe Vik was a moderately successful racer, lightning fast when it\nworked, but plagued by problems relating to its revolutionary\ntechnology. Eventually, it was dumped when Spag finally realized that\nracing was not where the Spagthorpe name would be made. The machines\nwere raced for another year or two by privateers, and their fate\n(approximately six Vikings were made, plus one or possibly two\nSpringers. Confusing the issue is one old Spag staffer who swears up and\ndown that this machine was tooled for production, and that as many as\ntwenty or thirty machines may have come off the line. However, no modern\nrecord of a production Viking has survived, and most motorcycle\nhistorians discount this story.\n\nRyan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride\nKotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C\/S -King Rat                      |to Work to\nDoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to\nryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .\n\n\n * SLMR 2.1a * If you aren't sliding, you aren't riding.\n                                                                                                          \n----\n+===============================================================+\n|COMPUTER DYNAMICS BBS    604-255-9937(HST)    604-986-9937(V32)|\n|Vancouver, BC, Canada -  Easy Access, Low Rates, Friendly Sysop|\n+===============================================================+\n","2109":"From: jvigneau@cs.ulowell.edu (Joe Vigneau)\nSubject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] \"Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts\"\nIn-Reply-To: bevans@carina.unm.edu's message of 4 Apr 1993 12:19:20 GMT\nOrganization: -\n\t<1993Apr3.214557.24073@midway.uchicago.edu> <1pmjo8INN2l0@lynx.unm.edu>\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1pmjo8INN2l0@lynx.unm.edu> bevans@carina.unm.edu (Mathemagician) writes:\n\n   Just what do gay people do that straight people don't?\n\nAbsolutely nothing.\n\nI'm a VERY straight(as an arrow), 17-year old male that is involved in the BSA.\n\nI don't care what gay people do among each other, as long as they don't make\npasses at me or anything.  At my summer camp where I work, my boss is gay.\nNot in a 'pansy' way of gay (I know a few), but just 'one of the guys'.\nHe doesn't push anything on me, and we give him the same respect back, due\nto his position.\n\nIf anything, the BSA has taught me, I don't know, tolerance or something.\nBefore I met this guy, I thought all gays were 'faries'.  So, the BSA HAS\ntaught me to be an antibigot.\n\nBasically, It comes down to this: What you do among yourself is your own\nbusiness. No one else has the right to tell you otherwise, unless it\nviolates someone else's civil rights.\n","2110":"From: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nSubject: Re: Stop putting down white het males.\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.isc.rit.edu\nReply-To: dil8596@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\nLines: 33\n\nit may be a little late to reply to your tirade and also on an inaapropriate\nboard but along with all of the so called great things the white male has done they have also contributed to society by means of mass genocide, the theft of\nideas and cultures, creating and the perptration of historical lies throughouttime among many other horrible activities.\nbut every culture has its upside and its downside.  it seems to me that the \nwhite male (must be extremely ignorant to qualify for the following - if\nyou're not disregard) and western culture are the only things that look to \nactively classify things as good or bad, worthy or unworthy (ya dig)\nit can be seen with slavery and the manipulation and destruction of the \namerican indians civilization.  nothing but selfish acts that benefit one \ngroup of people (and not even their women get or got respected or regarded as\nequal - ain't that some stuff)\n\nwhite men - not being specific - but in a lot of cases are just wack or have\nwack conceptions of how the world is to serve their purpose.  \n\njust look at david koresh - throughout history (i may be shortsighted on this one so excuse my predjudiced ignorance) only white men associate themselves withbeing GOD.  no other culture is ignorant or arrogant enough to assume such a \nposition.  and then to manipulate and mislead all those people.\n\nhmmm...  i'd say look in your history books but since it seems that history \nhas been written to glorify the exploits of white men you'd only find lies.\n\nawww that's enough already from me because this has nothing to do with sex or this board.  if ya'd like to continue this discussion e-mail me and we can \ncompare and contrast ideas\n\n\t\t\ti like conflict - it's educational when the \n\t\t\tcommuncation is good......................\n\nmy $.02 worth\n\n(i apologize to those who thought this was going to be about SEX but i was\nprompted by a response i found up here)\n\ndave lewis - frisky HANDS man\n","2111":"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)\nSubject: Re: How many read sci.space?\nOrganization: Texas Instruments Inc\nLines: 16\n\nIn <1993Apr15.204210.26022@mksol.dseg.ti.com> pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com (Dillon Pyron) writes:\n\n\n>There are actually only two of us.  I do Henry, Fred, Tommy and Mary.  Oh yeah,\n>this isn't my real name, I'm a bald headed space baby.\n\nYes, and I do everyone else.  Why, you may wonder, don't I do 'Fred'?\nWell, that would just be too *obvious*, wouldn't it?  Oh yeah, this\nisn't my real name, either.  I'm actually Elvis.  Or maybe a lemur; I\nsometimes have difficulty telling which is which.\n\n-- \n\"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live\n in the real world.\"   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.\n","2112":"From: golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy)\nSubject: Re: Too Many Europeans in NHL\nArticle-I.D.: alchemy.1993Apr6.195022.6362\nOrganization: University of Toronto Chemistry Department\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.155743.18798@adobe.com> snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr6.141557.8864@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:\n>>Anyways, crawl back into the hole you crawled out of...the NBA doesn't\n>>care where they get basketball players from, major league baseball\n>>doesn't give a damn where they get baseball players from (except Cuba,\n>>that is).\n>\n>MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba.  They just have to\n>defect first.  \n>\n>Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian\/Czech\/etc hockey\n>players, until the political situation in those countries changed.\n>\n\nMajor league baseball has told the Blue Jays and the Expos not to\nsign Oscar Linares (I think that is his name)\n...Canada does not have the restrictions against\nCubans that the US has and other major league teams have told the\nCanadian teams that they would be very unhappy if the Expos or the\nBlue Jays would do this.  Cubans players would not have to defect\nto play in Canada and could play the 81 home games for the Expos\nand Blue Jays without any trouble.\n\nGerald\n","2113":"Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: Re: free moral agency\nDistribution: na\n <C5pxqs.LM5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>\nLines: 119\n\nIn article <C5pxqs.LM5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu>, bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill\nConner) says:\n>\n>dean.kaflowitz (decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:\n>\n>: Now, what I am interested in is the original notion you were discussing\n>: on moral free agency.  That is, how can a god punish a person for\n>: not believing in him when that person is only following his or her\n>: nature and it is not possible for that person to deny what his or\n>: her reason tells him or her, which is that there is no god?\n>\n>I think you're letting atheist mythology confuse you on the issue of\n\n(WEBSTER:  myth:  \"a traditional or legendary story...\n           ...a belief...whose truth is accepted uncritically.\")\n\nHow does that qualify?\nIndeed, it's almost oxymoronic...a rather amusing instance.\nI've found that most atheists hold almost no atheist-views as\n\"accepted uncritically,\" especially the few that are legend.\nMany are trying to explain basic truths, as myths do, but\nthey don't meet the other criterions.\nAlso...\n\n>Divine justice. According to the most fundamental doctrines of\n>Christianity, When the first man sinned, he was at that time the\n\nYou accuse him of referencing mythology, then you procede to\nlaunch your own xtian mythology.  (This time meeting all the\nrequirements of myth.)\n\n>salvation. The idea of punishment is based on the proposition that\n>everyone knows (instinctively?) that God exists, is their creator and\n\nAh, but not everyone \"knows\" that god exists.  So you have\na fallacy.\n\n>There's nothing terribly difficult in all this and is well known to\n>any reasonably Biblically literate Christian. The only controversy is\n\nAnd that makes it true?  Holding with the Bible rules out controversy?\nRead the FAQ.  If you've read it, you missed something, so re-read.\n(Not a bad suggestion for anyone...I re-read it just before this.)\n\n>with those who pretend not to know what is being said and what it\n>means. When atheists claim that they do -not- know if God exists and\n>don't know what He wants, they contradict the Bible which clearly says\n>that -everyone- knows. The authority of the Bible is its claim to be\n\n...should I repeat what I wrote above for the sake of getting\nit across?  You may trust the Bible, but your trusting it doesn't\nmake it any more credible to me.\n\nIf the Bible says that everyone knows, that's clearly reason\nto doubt the Bible, because not everyone \"knows\" your alleged\ngod's alleged existance.\n\n>refuted while the species-wide condemnation is justified. Those that\n>claim that there is no evidence for the existence of God or that His will is\n>unknown, must deliberately ignore the Bible; the ignorance itself is\n>no excuse.\n\n1) No, they don't have to ignore the Bible.  The Bible is far\nfrom universally accepted.  The Bible is NOT a proof of god;\nit is only a proof that some people have thought that there\nwas a god.  (Or does it prove even that?  They might have been\nwriting it as series of fiction short-stories.  As in the\ncase of Dionetics.)  Assuming the writers believed it, the\nonly thing it could possibly prove is that they believed it.\nAnd that's ignoring the problem of whether or not all the\ninterpretations and Biblical-philosophers were correct.\n\n2) There are people who have truly never heard of the Bible.\n\n3) Again, read the FAQ.\n\n>freedom. You are free to ignore God in the same way you are free to\n>ignore gravity and the consequences are inevitable and well known\n>in both cases. That an atheist can't accept the evidence means only\n\nBzzt...wrong answer!\nGravity is directly THERE.  It doesn't stop exerting a direct and\nrationally undeniable influence if you ignore it.  God, on the\nother hand, doesn't generally show up in the supermarket, except\non the tabloids.  God doesn't exert a rationally undeniable influence.\nGravity is obvious; gods aren't.\n\n>Secondly, human reason is very comforatble with the concept of God, so\n>much so that it is, in itself, intrinsic to our nature. Human reason\n>always comes back to the question of God, in every generation and in\n\nNo, human reason hasn't always come back to the existance of\n\"God\"; it has usually come back to the existance of \"god\".\nIn other words, it doesn't generally come back to the xtian\ngod, it comes back to whether there is any god.  And, in much\nof oriental philosophic history, it generally doesn't pop up as\nthe idea of a god so much as the question of what natural forces\nare and which ones are out there.  From a world-wide view,\nhuman nature just makes us wonder how the universe came to\nbe and\/or what force(s) are currently in control.  A natural\ntendancy to believe in \"God\" only exists in religious wishful\nthinking.\n\n>I said all this to make the point that Christianity is eminently\n>reasonable, that Divine justice is just and human nature is much\n>different than what atheists think it is. Whether you agree or not\n\nXtianity is no more reasonable than most other religions, and\nit's reasonableness certainly doesn't merit eminence.\nDivine justice...well, it only seems just to those who already\nbelieve in the divinity.\nFirst, not all atheists believe the same things about human\nnature. Second, whether most atheists are correct or not,\nYOU certainly are not correct on human nature.  You are, at\nthe least, basing your views on a completely eurocentric\napproach.  Try looking at the outside world as well when\nyou attempt to sum up all of humanity.\n\nAndrew\n","2114":"From: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman)\nSubject: Re: MathCad 4.0 swap file\nLines: 28\nNntp-Posting-Host: blonde.cc.utexas.edu\nOrganization: The University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.175608.23949@ncar.ucar.edu>, baseball@catch-the-fever.scd.ucar.edu (Gregg Walters) writes:\n> I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX.  I have been running Windows\n> without a swap file for several months.  Will Mathcad 4.0 be\n> happy with this, or insist on a swap file?\n\nI just got Mathcad 4.0, and the manual is not clear on the matter.  On page 8:\n\n\t:\n\t:\n\n* At least 4 megabytes of memory.  All memory about 640K should be configured\n  as XMS.\n\n\t:\n\t:\n* At least 8 megabytes of virtual memory....\n\nCommon sense suggests that you should be able to run it (4+8=12 < 16) but the\nnew Mathcad is kinda kooky, and thus is not subject to the laws of common\nsense...\n\nDan\n\n-- \nDaniel Matthew Coleman\t\t   |   Internet: dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu\n-----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\nThe University of Texas at Austin  |\t DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN\nElectrical\/Computer Engineering\t   |\t BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET]\n","2115":"From: mcclary@netcom.com (Michael McClary)\nSubject: Re: Who's next?  Mormons and Jews?\nOrganization: Committee to commemorate the WACO Ghetto Uprising\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1r0mtoINNa59@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM writes:\n>Gordon Storga writes:\n>\n>>Gentleman, are we also forgetting the near genocide of the Native American\n>>for the barbaric act of being \"heathen\" (i.e. a non-Christian) by a\n>>predominantly Christian government.  That's a little over 200 years as I\n>>recall.  I'd say that for the most part it was religious persecution\n>>(their religion dictated their lifestyle).\n>\n>This is a stretch.  In fact, a great many of the persecuted Indians were\n>Christian, a great many.  It would be simpler to state the obvious, that\n>white people wanted land the Indians dominated or threatened.  I really\n>don't think the government cared a hill of beans about the Indians' religion.\n\nMy Native American Girlfriend asks: \"If the government really doesn't\n'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still\nbusting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places?\nYou'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church\nat gunpoint.\"\n-- \n=\t=\t=\t=\t=\t=\t=\t=\t=\t=\nMichael McClary\t\t\t\t\t\tmcclary@netcom.com\nFor faster response, address electronic mail to:\tmichael@node.com\n","2116":"From: rvenkate@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Ravikuma Venkateswar)\nSubject: Re: x86 ~= 680x0 ?? (How do they compare?)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 59\n\nray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:\n\n>dhk@ubbpc.uucp (Dave Kitabjian) writes ...\n>>I'm sure Intel and Motorola are competing neck-and-neck for \n>>crunch-power, but for a given clock speed, how do we rank the\n>>following (from 1st to 6th):\n>>  486\t\t68040\n>>  386\t\t68030\n>>  286\t\t68020\n\n>040 486 030 386 020 286\n\nHow about some numbers here? Some kind of benchmark?\nIf you want, let me start it - 486DX2-66 - 32 SPECint92, 16 SPECfp92 .\n\n>>While you're at it, where will the following fit into the list:\n>>  68060\n>>  Pentium\n>>  PowerPC\n\n>060 fastest, then Pentium, with the first versions of the PowerPC\n>somewhere in the vicinity.\n\nNumbers? Pentium @66MHz - 65 SPECint92, 57 SPECfp92 .\n\t PowerPC @66MHz - 50 SPECint92, 80 SPECfp92 . (Note this is the 601)\n        (Alpha @150MHz  - 74 SPECint92,126 SPECfp92 - just for comparison)\n\n>>And about clock speed:  Does doubling the clock speed double the\n>>overall processor speed?  And fill in the __'s below:\n>>  68030 @ __ MHz = 68040 @ __ MHz\n\n>No.  Computer speed is only partly dependent of processor\/clock speed.\n>Memory system speed play a large role as does video system speed and\n>I\/O speed.  As processor clock rates go up, the speed of the memory\n>system becomes the greatest factor in the overall system speed.  If\n>you have a 50MHz processor, it can be reading another word from memory\n>every 20ns.  Sure, you can put all 20ns memory in your computer, but\n>it will cost 10 times as much as the slower 80ns SIMMs.\n\nNot in a clock-doubled system. There isn't a doubling in performance, but\nit _is_ quite significant. Maybe about a 70% increase in performance.\n\nBesides, for 0 wait state performance, you'd need a cache anyway. I mean,\nwho uses a processor that runs at the speed of 80ns SIMMs? Note that this\nmemory speed corresponds to a clock speed of 12.5 MHz.\n\n>And roughly, the 68040 is twice as fast at a given clock\n>speed as is the 68030.\n\nNumbers?\n\n>-- \n>Ray Fischer                   \"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth\n>ray@netcom.com                 than lies.\"  -- Friedrich Nietzsche\n-- \nRavikumar Venkateswar\nrvenkate@uiuc.edu\n\nA pun is a no' blessed form of whit.\n","2117":"From: eechen@leland.Stanford.EDU (Emery Ethan Chen)\nSubject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies\nSummary: What Bullshit!\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 19\n\nArticle from as follows\n>From: bml2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (BRIAN MICHAEL LUCY)\n>Subject: Re: Let's Talk Phillies\n>Date: 15 Apr 93 06:29:05 GMT\n>Organization: Lehigh University\n>Lines: 9\n\n>In article <Uflkll_00VpcEKW15e@andrew.cmu.edu>, al1x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Amit\n>Likhy ani) writes: >Excerpts from netnews.rec.sport.baseball: 9-Apr-93 Re:\n>Let's Talk >Phillies u96_msopher@vaxc.stevens (963) > >> > like this.  Oh\n>well.  How do we spell CELLAR? > > >>                      p - i - r - a - t\n>- e - s > >> ` > > >>\n>NINJA JEW > > >Are there any Philly fans who want to put money on that?   If\n>not, stop >your woofing.  Ben Rivera got hammered. > True (last week), but\n>tonight he pitched 6 shutout innings and got 9 runs behind him. THAT'S why\n>we're 8-1!\n\nOne phrase for you....FUCK YOU!!!!\nThanks.\n","2118":"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard?\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 31\n\n(MODERATOR: THIS IS A REPLACEMENT FOR AN EARLIER, MORE CLUMSILY WORDED\nSUBMISSION ON THE SAME TOPIC WHICH I SUBMITTED A FEW MINUTES AGO.)\n\nI think we need to distinguish etymology from meaning.  Regardless of\nhow the word 'Easter' *originated*, the fact is that it does not *now*\nmean anything to Christians other than 'the feast day of the Resurrection\nof Jesus Christ'. \n\nThe meaning of a word is _only_ what people understand it to mean.\n\nAnd the same goes for other cultural practices.  The festival of Easter\nmay possibly have some historical association with some pagan festival,\nbut *today* there are, as far as I know, no Christians who *intend* to\nhonor any kind of \"pagan goddess\" by celebrating Easter.\n\nIt is nonsense to say \"this word (or this practice) 'really' means so-\nand-so even though nobody realizes it.\"  Words and practices don't mean\nthings, people do.  \n\n(This is basic semantics; I'm a linguist; they pay me to think about\nthings like this.)\n-- \n:-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    *****\n:-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  *********\n:-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  *\n:-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <><\n\n[Further, Easter is specific to English.  In many other languages,\nthe word used is based on Passover or resurrection.  Is it OK to\ncelebrate it in countries using those languages, but not in those\nusing English?  --clh]\n","2119":"From: popec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles)\nSubject: Re: Merlin, Mithras and Magick\nOrganization: The Brewers' Witch BBS, +1 713 272 7350, Brewich.Hou.TX.US\nLines: 42\n\ncaldwell@facman.ohsu.edu (Larry Caldwell) writes:\n\n> kosinski@us.oracle.com (Kevin Osinski) writes:\n> \n> >I recall reading in Michael (?) Rutherford's novel \"Sarum\" a scene in\n> >which the son of a Roman nobleman living in Britain takes part in a\n> >secret ceremony involving a bull.  He stands naked in a pit covered\n> >with some sort of scaffolding while assistants coax a bull to stand on\n> >the scaffolding.  They then fatally stab the bull, which douses the\n> >worshipper in the pit with blood.  This is supposedly some sort of\n> >rite of passage for members of the bull cult.  I wonder if this is\n> >related to the Mithras cult?\n> >\n> >I don't know where Rutherford got his information for this chapter.\n> >The book is historical fiction, and most of the general events which\n> >take place are largely based on historical accounts.\n> \n> There is a rite like this described in Joseph Campbell's\n> _Occidental_Mythology_.  He also described levels of initiation, I think\n> 6?  I don't know where Campbell got his info, but I remember thinking he\n> was being a little eclectic.\n> \n> >I also wonder what if any connection there is between the ancient bull\n> >cults and the current practice of bullfighting popular in some\n> >Mediterranean cultures.\n> \n> Quite a bit.  If you haven't read Campbell, give him a try.  \n> \n> -- \n> -- Larry Caldwell  caldwell@ohsu.edu  CompuServe 72210,2273\n> Oregon Health Sciences University.  (503) 494-2232\n\n\nYes.  I cannot remeber which works I read about this in, as it was many \nyears ago.  This ritual was called The Tarobaullum I believe, (The \nspelling may be off).\n\nPope Charles\n\n------------------\npopec@brewich.hou.tx.us (Pope Charles)\nOrigin: The Brewers' Witch BBS -- Houston, TX -- +1 713 272 7350\n","2120":"From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 108\n\nThomas Parsli <thomasp@ifi.uio.no> writes:\n\n>I HATE long postings, but this turned out to be rather lengthy....\n\n\tThat's OK -- you can mail me if you want more discussion.\n\n>Acquiring weapons in Norway:\n>You can buy (almost) all kinds of weapons in Norway, BUT you must have a \n>permit, and a good reason to get the permit....\n\n\tAround here, long-guns are proof of age and fill out the forms.\nFor pistols, nation-wide check for felonies and three days wait.  The\n\"good reason\" is the difference, and one Americans tend to get annoyed\nover as we see no reason the guy with the badge is any better than us.\n\n>It's a little like getting a drivers licence isn't it ???\n>You have to prove that you CAN drive before you are allowed to...\n\n\tNot when dealing with America.  I can drive an 18-wheel truck\nwith no permit, no license, and at age 12 if I'm engaged in farming\nwork.  Strange, that, but there is little to no problem with this.\nAgain, personal rights versus collective security.\n\n>Some crimes are commited with guns that have been in the owners 'arms'\n>for a long time, but these are rather the exeption.\n>Most criminals accuire guns to use them in crimes, and mostly short \n>time befor the crime.\n\n\tStrange that the rates would decline, since killing somebody\nis much more frowned upon than merely stealing a gun.\n\n>Use of knives:\n>It IS allowed to cary knifes in public, but not in your belt or 'open'.\n>You (Americans) think it's ok to have a gun, but not to carry it open\n>in public -rigth ??\n\n\tWhy attract attention?  I carry my sword openly to and from\npractice, as that is the only legal thing I can do.  I also attract\na lot of attention doing this.  I'd rather be lost \"in a crowd of one\"\nthan be the subject of attention while carrying a weapon.  Think of\nthe word \"intimidation\" and you can see where intimidation is not\nthe preferable method for the normal citizen.\n\n>Scandinavians ARE 'aggressive':\n>We northeners are not as hot-livered as southeners, but when we decide\n>to take action we DO.\n>Ask ANY historian or millitary with an knowledge of europe....\n>(Or ask any German who served in Norway in WW2.....)\n\n\tAggressive towards whom?  Southerners?  Germans?  Precisely\nwhy I think your society is less violent, weapons aside.\n\n>Yes the individual is more important than the masses, but only to some\n>extent....\n>Your criminal laws are to protect the individuals who makes the masses ??\n>What happens when the rigths of some individuals affects the rights of \n>all the [masses?? -- editor barf -- Dan]\n\n\tThen the masses have the same rights as the individuals, because\neverything comes down to the individual in one instance or another.  To\ndraw an analogy, Norway is involved in the EEC.  The USA in involved in\nNATO.  The EEC requires certain changes in your laws.  NATO requires\nno such changes in USA law.  These laws affect citizens, and hence\nNorway is saying Europe is more important than, say, Norwegians having\nmotorcycles that make over 100bhp.  In the USA, we'd likely tell the\nEEC to get stuffed since the EEC has no business, in our eyes, in\ntelling us how much horsepower we can safely ride.  While I note\nthat our own state governments often play with game with the federal\ngovernment, in essence this is a cultural difference between us.\n\n>IF i lived in Amerika I would probably have a gun to defend myselfe in HOME.\n>But should it have to be like that ??\n\n\tIt shouldn't.  Since neither of our countries has managed to\nremove criminals from society, in America we feel (and remember we\nhave individual states that are larger than your country) that if the\npolice cannot protect us then we must do so ourselves.  The criminals\nin our country are quite violent, hence we prepare for them.\n\n>Do you think it's wise to sell guns like candy (some states do...) ??\n>If you believe it's smart\/neccacery to have drivers-licence WHY do you think\n>it should be free to buy guns ??\n\n\tWe don't.  E-mail me to find out just how difficult it really\nis in this country.  It is easier than in yours, but theft is far\neasier than the troubles we go through to purchase over here.\n\n>I would defend my home, loved ones and country, but I don't view guns as\n>neccities or toys.\n\n\tThey are neither.  They are an option.  We would never force\nyou to own guns if you lived here.  We would, however, fight to keep\nthat option open to you.\n\n>I HAVE done army service, and HAVE used a variaty of weapons, but wouldn't\n>want to have one for self defence or because they 'feel good'....\n\n\tThen you show you are a responsible, rational user of weapons.\nWelcome to our ranks.  Now, how do we teach the young people this sort\nof responsibility?  Cultures seem to have a grave impact here.\n\n\tI notice you didn't use my great-grandfather's name.  Well,\nhe didn't like it much either ;-)\n\n< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >\n<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >\n<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >\n<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >\n","2121":"From: beck@irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de (Andre Beck)\nSubject: Re: MS Windows VS Motif (GUI design differences), was Re: Future of Unix\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany.\nLines: 46\nDistribution: usa\nReply-To: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.DE\nNNTP-Posting-Host: irzr17.inf.tu-dresden.de\n\n\nIn article <IK.93Apr9075401@sneaker.ctt.bellcore.com>, ik@sneaker.ctt.bellcore.com (Ik Su Yoo ) writes:\n|> >>>>> \"aab\" == Andy Burgess <aab@cichlid.com> writes:\n|> \n|>   aab> In <1993Apr7.200950.16856@texhrc.uucp> pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt) writes:\n|> \n|>   aab> <some deleted>\n|> \n|>     >If you\n|>     >look closely at Motif, you will see that it is just MS-Windows\n|>     >with more eye-pleasing color and texture.  The only real difference\n|>     >is that an MS application window can \"contain\" other toplevel children, \n|>     >while a Motif application window \"launches\" its children out onto the\n|>     >desktop.\n|> \n|>   aab> To those of you familiar with both GUIs, is this correct? My experience\n|>   aab> with X makes me think that this MSW behavior is easily duplicated\n|>   aab> with X11. But I don't know MSW...\n|> \n|> Another important difference is that MSW doesn't have any window that\n|> handle sophisticated geometry management (like XmForm). Also, I believe\n|> that in Windows 3.x you're limited to 64K of resources (windows, menus,\n|> icons, etc.).\n\nIMHO this whole discussion named \"Motif looks like MS-Windogs\" is totally\nstupid. The only thing remotely influenced here can be the Motif Window\nManager, that features an arrangement of buttons and menus somewhat\nsimiliar to this of the MS-W windowmanaging agent, however its name is.\nBut MWM is only a SMALL part of Motif, in fact, MWM and Motif can work\nwithout each other, and if one doesn't like MWMs outfit for some reason,\nhe switches to another windowmanager. All this doesn't influence Motif,\nwhich is a toolkit of widgets to write applications, and this toolkit\nis IMHO uncomparable to MS-W, because it is much more wellorganized and\nfeatures alot of goodies more than the MS-W interface.\n\nYou cannot say \"A Porsche looks like a VW K\u00e4fer\" ONLY because they have the\nwheel and the gear at the same position. Motif and MS-W are complete\ndifferent worlds, only one element of the Motif world has some gear and wheel\nat the same position as MS-W.\n\n--\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n| o |                \\\\\\-  Brain Inside -\/\/\/                       | o |\n| o |                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                           | o |\n| o | Andre' Beck (ABPSoft) mehl: Andre_Beck@IRS.Inf.TU-Dresden.de | o |\n+-o-+--------------------------------------------------------------+-o-+\n","2122":"From: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 26\nReply-To: cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n\nab4z@Virginia.EDU (\"Andi Beyer\") writes:\n\n>Well i'm not sure about the story nad it did seem biased. What\n>I disagree with is your statement that the U.S. Media is out to\n>ruin Israels reputation. That is rediculous. The U.S. media is\n>the most pro-israeli media in the world. Having lived in Europe\n>I realize that incidences such as the one described in the\n>letter have occured. The U.S. media as a whole seem to try to\n>ignore them. The U.S. is subsidizing Israels existance and the\n>Europeans are not (at least not to the same degree). So I think\n>that might be a reason they report more clearly on the\n>atrocities.\n>\tWhat is a shame is that in Austria, daily reports of\n>the inhuman acts commited by Israeli soldiers and the blessing\n>received from the Government makes some of the Holocaust guilt\n>go away. After all, look how the Jews are treating other races\n>when they got power. It is unfortunate.\n\nWell said Mr. Beyer :)\n\n-- \n                  ___________________ cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu _____________\n                 (______   _  |   _  |_    \n_____ H A M Z A ________) |-| |_ |-| | |    foo i.e. most foo\n","2123":"From: yuri@physics.heriot-watt.ac.UK (Yuri Rzhanov)\nSubject: REPOST: XView slider\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 37\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert <xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu>\n\nHi Xperts,\n\nthis is a repost (no one responded to my desperate yell 8-(\nI can't believe there is no XView wizards any more 8-)...\n\nI'm using sliders in my XView apps, usually with editable numeric\nfield. But I seem to have no control over the length of this field.\nIn some apps it appears long enough to keep several characters,\nin some - it cannot keep even the maximum value set by \nPANEL_MAX_VALUE! \n\nAs I understand, PANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH, which controls\nnumber of characters to be displayed in text items, doesn't\nwork in the case of slider, despite the fact that <panel.h>\ncontains the following bit:\n\n\t\/* Panel_multiline_text_item, Panel_numeric_text_item,\n\t * Panel_slider_item and Panel_text_item attributes\n\t *\/\n\tPANEL_NOTIFY_LEVEL\t= PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_ENUM,\t\t\t 152),\n\tPANEL_VALUE_DISPLAY_LENGTH\t= PANEL_ATTR(ATTR_INT,\t\t 182),\n\nwhich gives a hint that this attribute can be used for sliders.\nBut 1) setting this attribute gives nothing, and 2) xv_get'ting\nthis attribute gives warning: Bad attribute, and returns value 0.\n\nStrange thing is that DEC's port of XView gives plenty of space\nin a text fields, but not Sun's Xview...\n\nCan someone share his experience in managing sliders in XView with me,\nand clear this problem? \n\nAny help is very much appreciated.\n\nYuri\n\nyuri@uk.ac.hw.phy\n","2124":"From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)\nSubject: Re: Hismanal, et. al.--side effects\nOrganization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.212706.820@lrc.edu> kjiv@lrc.edu writes:\n>Can someone tell me whether or not any of the following medications \n>has been linked to rapid\/excessive weight gain and\/or a distorted \n>sense of taste or smell:  Hismanal; Azmacort (a topical steroid to \n>prevent asthma); Vancenase.\n\nHismanal (astemizole) is most definitely linked to weight gain.\nIt really is peculiar that some antihistamines have this effect,\nand even more so an antihistamine like astemizole which purportedly\ndoesn't cross the blood-brain barrier and so tends not to cause\ndrowsiness.\n\n-- \nSteve Dyer\ndyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer\n","2125":"From: agiacalo@nmsu.edu (Toni Giacalo)\nSubject: need algorithm for reading and displaying bitmap files\nOrganization: New Mexico State University\nLines: 7\nNNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.nmsu.edu\nKeywords: GIF PCX BMP\n\nI'm making a customized paint program in DOS and need an algorithm\nfor reading bitmap files like GIF, PCX, or BMP.  Does anyone have\nsuch an algorithm?  I've tried copying one out of a book for reading\n.PCX format but it doesn't work.  I will take an algorithm for any\nformat that can be created from Windows Paint.  \nThanks!\nToni\n","2126":"From: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nSubject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 38\nReply-To: aas7@po.CWRU.Edu (Andrew A. Spencer)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc5.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) says:\n\n>brad@buck.viewlogic.com (Bradford Kellogg) writes:\n>\n>>I think he's talking about a different form of rush. Evidently, it's fun to be\n>>terrified. But hey, if you want that kind of rush, try bobsledding. You may\n>>only get up to 80 or so, but it makes 130 in a car feel like a stroll in the\n>>park.\n>\n>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear\n>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using\n>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush\n>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.\n>\n>But in one point You are quite right. If You are terrified at 130 You\n>should better not drive that fast, or You'll be a hazard to others.\n>\n>BTW, before You flame me, read my E-Mail address. I know what I'm \n>talking about, as I live in Germany.\n>\n>>- BK\n>\n>Chris    crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de\n\nnot a flame, just a point:  I'd be scared at 130 here, not because i feel\n_I_  or my car couldn't handle it, but because of exactly what you said:\ndrivers who are STUPID.  Like the ones who are doing 130 also, and so\nthey pull in right behind you at maybe 1-2 car lengths....oh yeah, real\nsmart...  This scares me in cities at 50.  When i can't see enough of\nthe car to make it recognizable, they are following TOO CLOSE.  And \nwhen i see them doing this AND reading a newspaper.....*sigh*...this\nis why America has 55-65 speed limits: our drivers are TOO DUMB to realise\nthat reading the paper should be done at breakfast, or work, not in their\ncar.  \n\nmy thoughts..\nDREW\n","2127":"From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM\nSubject: Does the FAQ crash YOUR newsreader?\nOrganization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.\nLines: 9\n\n\n   The r.s.h FAQ sheet never fails to crash my newsreader.  The only way I\ncan avoid crashing (and restarting the machine) is to look at the headers and\navoid reading the FAQ.  Does anyone else have problems reading the FAQ?\n\n\nTim Irvin\n******************************************************************************\nThe season is near a merciful end...\n","2128":"From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann)\nSubject: Re: Top Ten Excuses for Slick Willie's Record-Setting Disapproval Rati\nOrganization: HSH Associates\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <2671@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>, libwca@emory.edu (Bill Anderson) writes:\n> shapiro@sofbas.enet.dec.com (Steve Shapiro) writes:\n> : \n> : Oh, and BTW, its William Jefferson Blythe Clinton.\n> : \n> : Regards,\n> : Steve.\n> \n> \n> No, it's not- and I really fail to understand the use of that name\n> as an insult.  Do you feel that being adopted implies some sort of\n> moral failing?\n\nYes, it is -- you could look it up.  And spare us the thin-skinned\nindignation, please; what's sauce for four years of using George Herbert\nWalker Bush and J. Danforth Quayle as an insult is sauce for William\nJefferson Blythe Clinton.  Do you feel that calling a President by his full \nname implies some sort of disrespect?  Hint: this is a rhetorical question.\n\n------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ \n\nPaul Havemann   (Internet: paul@hsh.com)\n\n   * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! *\n         ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) **\n     Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg.  Keep reading.\n","2129":"From: stxtnt@rs733.GSFC.NASA.Gov (Nigel Tzeng)\nSubject: Re: << AMIGA 3000, etc FOR SALE >> as of 4\/2\/93\nIn-Reply-To: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu's message of 2 Apr 93 20:09:59 GMT\nOrganization: Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md, USA\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1pi6in$isg@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson) writes:\n\n\n   ~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 5PM 4\/02\/93~~~~~~~~~~\n\n   1       AMIGA 3000UX    25mhz, unix compatible machine w\/100 meg Hard\n\t\t   Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys \n\t\t   broken)\n\t\t   ASKING PRICE:   $1700 OBO.\n\nMind my asking why you're selling a used machine with a damaged\nkeyboard for the about the same price as a brand new A4000\/030\n(A4000-EC030\/4 megs\/120meg IDE HD\/HD Floppy\/v3.0 OS - $1899)?\n\nI'd like to get an A3000 locally for something reasonable like less\nthan 1K without monitor.  Brand new the A3000-25mhz\/50 meg HD\/HD\nfloppy\/2.1 ROM isn't running for more than $1400 or so.\n\nConsidering it's damaged, probabably has a real old version of the OS\nI'll offer $700.  Don't laugh...my A2000 isn't worth more than\n$250-$300 these days.\n\nN. Tzeng\n--\nNigel Tzeng\n.sig under construction\n","2130":"Subject: Re: Need longer filenames\nFrom: maystonr@grace.cri.nz (Richard Mayston)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Industrial Research Ltd., New Zealand.\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rmayston.grace.cri.nz\nLines: 10\n\n\n\nIn article <765461d518325t9@infoserv.com> hfeldman@infoserv.com (Howard MITCHell Feldman) writes:\n>In <1993Apr19.211044.28763@guinness.idbsu.edu>, lhighley@gozer.idbsu.edu (Larry Paul Highley)  wrote:\n>> \n>> \n>> Is there a utility out there that will let me use filenames longer than\n>> the standard 8.3 format.  \n>\nYep, it's called OS2!\n","2131":"From: brett@oce.orst.edu (Brett Barksdale)\nSubject: ***** HIGH-END CAR STEREO FOR SALE *****\nOrganization: Oregon State University, College of Oceanography\nLines: 25\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: porky.oce.orst.edu\n\n=============================================================================\nNOTE: This is being posted for a friend. DO NOT REPLY to my account. Please \n      direct all replies to Scott Burke at scott@sparcom.com\n=============================================================================\n\nAlpine 5959S 6-CD Shuttle.  Paid $600, want $420\/OBO.\nAlpine 1203 Remote CD Changer Control.  Paid $250, want $175\/OBO.\nBoston ProSeries 10.0 Subwoofers (2) + Box.  Paid $545, want $380\/OBO.\n\nAll equipment is under 6 months old and includes a full-replacement 5-year\nwarranty from original point of purchase.  The subwoofer box was custom\ndesigned to fit in the back of a Bronco II and is 14\" by 21\" by 27\".\n\nSend replies to: scott@sparcom.com\n\n-----\nScott Burke - Project Leader - Sparcom Corporation - Corvallis OR\nscott@sparcom.com - Telephone (503) 757-8416 - FAX (503) 753-7821\n\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n                     \"Just waiting for the nuts...\"\n             Brett Barksdale        brett@porky.oce.orst.edu\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2132":"From: karu@nevada.edu (NARANAPITI KARUNARATNE)\nSubject: Software and Hardware FOR SALE\nNntp-Posting-Host: helios.nevada.edu\nOrganization: University of Nevada System Computing Services\nLines: 21\n\nI have the following items for sale:\n\nAnimation Works software for Macintosh by Gold Disk\n          This is a brand new shrink-wrapped copy\n\nMicrosoft Excel for Windows Ver. 4.0\n          Opened, but includes everything including Registration card\n\nVideo7 FastWrite VGA card. 512 video memory. 800x600 resolution.\n\nEverex 2400b internal modem.\n           Video card and the modem are used items.\n\nIf you are interested make a reasonable offer. I wish to ship these\nUPS COD.\nPlease email me at karu@nevada.edu.\nThank you.\n\nKaru.\nkaru@nevada.edu\n\n","2133":"From: pino@gammow.berkeley.edu (Jose L. Pino)\nSubject: Re: wrong RAM in Duo?\nOrganization: U. C. Berkeley\nLines: 53\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: gammow.berkeley.edu\n\nHere is the MacWeek article describing the DUO ram situation.\n(w\/o permission.  I hope that is ok)\n\nJose\n\nBad RAM brings some Duos down. (random access memory boards for Apple\nMacintosh PowerBook Duos) \nMacWEEK v7, n7 (Feb 15, 1993):132.\n\nCOPYRIGHT Coastal Associates Publishing L.P. 1993\n\nBy Raines Cohen\n\n     Austin, Texas - Some third-party memory-expansion cards for PowerBook\nDuos depart from Apple specs in ways that could cause crashes, data loss\nand other problems.\n\n     Technology Works Inc., a RAM and network vendor based here, last week\nissued a warning about three problems it said it had found in Duo RAM\nproducts from some competing vendors, which it declined to identify.\nOther vendors and an Apple spokeswoman confirmed that the problems exist.\n\n     > Self-refresh.  The Duos require a kind of dynamic RAM called\nselfrefreshing, which can recharge itself while the system sleeps.  But\nTechnology Works said some vendors have sold Duo cards with\nnonselfrefreshing DRAM, which can cause the system to lose data or fail to\nwake from sleep.\n\n     Most leading memory manufacturers include the letter V in the part\nnumber stamped on their self-refreshing chips; nonself-refreshing chips\ninstead have an L, according to TechWorks.  The chip label, however, may\nnot tell the whole story.  Newer Technology of Wichita, Kan., said it uses\nnonself-refreshing chips but adds its own circuitry to keep them refreshed\nwhile the Duo sleeps.\n\n     > Speed.  Some RAM-card vendors have put 80-nanosecond DRAM on Duo\ncards rather than the 70-nanosecond type the 230 requires, Technology\nWorks said.  However, some chips labeled as 80- or 85-nanosecond are\ncertified by the manufacturer to run at a higher speed.\n\n     Kingston Technology Corp. of Fountain Valley, Calif., said it offers\nDuo RAM cards with 80-nanosecond chips, but only for the Duo 210, which is\ncompatible with the slower chips.\n\n     > Space.  Technology Works charged and Apple officials confirmed that\nsome third-party cards are too large to fit properly, forcing the corner\nof the Duo keyboard up and preventing the system from starting up normally\nwhen in a Duo Dock.\n\n     Lifetime Memory Products Inc. of Huntington Beach, Calif., said it\noriginally shipped cards with this problem but has since offered all\ncustomers free upgrades to cards that fit.\n\n","2134":"From: jimf@centerline.com (Jim Frost)\nSubject: Re: Too fast\nOrganization: CenterLine Software, Inc.\nLines: 36\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 140.239.3.202\n\nboyle@cactus.org (Craig Boyle) writes:\n>The quality of autobahns is something of a myth. The road surface\n>isn't much different to a typical TX freeway. They are better\n>in terms of lighting, safety, signs, roadmarkings etc.\n\nThey light the highways in Texas?  Funny, everywhere else I've been\nthey only light 'em at junctions.\n\nI won't even get into how much road markings vary between states and\nlocalities except to say that there are some areas where markings are\nessentially nonexistant.\n\n>>than most of the roads here. A dip in the asphalt that you test your\n>>shocks on at 60 will kill you at 130. Don't get me wrong, I love to\n\n>It would have to be quite severe. I don't recall any US freeway,\n>without road damage warnings, that i would regard as unsafe\n>at 130 in any decent, well damped car.\n\nI suspect you have very limited experience -- US freeways vary\ndramatically, particularly between states.  I can name a number of\ninterstate highways in various parts of the country where 130 would be\nvery optimistic in any car.\n\nI'm not sure what you call \"quite severe\" in terms of road deviations\nbut I suspect every single bridge junction on I84 through CT would be\nconsidered so.  They're hard to take at 85mph.  That's not the only\ninterstate I've seen with such deviations, but it's one I drive\nfrequently.\n\nTexas is pretty much an edge-case -- you can't assume that everywhere\nhas roads in such good condition, such flat terrain, and such\nwide-open spaces.  It just ain't so.\n\njim frost\njimf@centerline.com\n","2135":"Organization: Ministry of Education, Computer Center NETNEWS system V2.3\nFrom: <CHLBS079@TWNMOE10.BITNET>\nSubject: change default visual\nLines: 5\n\nMy HP720 workstation uses PseudoColor (id 0x21, 255 colors) as the\n\ndefault visual.  How can I start X with different visual as default?\n\n\n","2136":"From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)\nSubject: Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance !\nOrganization: Ideology Busters, Inc.\nLines: 88\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n>You are loosing.\n>\n>There is no question about it. \n>\n>Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter\n>how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA. \n\nNot so.  Surveys have shown while the public thinks certain types\nof gun control may be acceptable they do believe they have an\nindividual right to keep and bear arms, and that the police should\nnot have \/discretion\/ over who may and may not own firearms.\n\n>This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your\n>RKBA will be null and void.\n\nBy the end of the Clinton administration a lot of things will be\nscrewed up.  Hell, we'll probably be just like England.\n\n> Tough titty.\n\n\"Tough titty\" ?  My how eloquent you are.\n\nAs for your claim, I think Clinton has a big fight ahead of him if\nhe thinks he's going to pass some comprehensive gun legislation.\nHe will sign the Brady Bill if it gets to his desk.  We will do\nwhatever we can to either keep that from happening, or modify it\nsuch that it is acceptable to us.\n\n>You had better discover ways to make do without firearms.\n\nSorry, that's not possible.  And that's why we won't give them up\neither.  Legally or illegally, American's will keep their firearms.\nThe number of unregistered weapons in New York City is in the millions.\nThere aren't even close to that number of violent criminals there.\n\n>The number of cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause.\n\nIf the gov't was serious about stopping violent crime they would\nkeep violent criminals in jail for a long long time where they\nbelong instead of letting them out on early release.\n\n>There is nothing you can do about it.\n\nHey, we can go into politics too if we feel like it.\n\n> Those who live by the sword shall die by it. \n\nI don't believe this one bit.\n\n>The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against\n>you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it !\n\nSnore.  Like I take advice on the RKBA from a Brit.  No way.\n\n>Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect\n>them. Resistance is useless.\n\nYou watch too much \"Star Trek\".  Actually, this is an understandable\nattitude from a Brit; you are a subject of the state.\n\n>They will overwhelm you - one at a time.\n\nNot necessarily.  There are ways of resisting oppression without\ngetting caught by the gov't.\n\n>Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an\n>immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'. \n\nThe \"abstract criminal\" like the ones who killed a relative of mine\nwhile she was working in a carry-out.\n\n>Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions\n>are passe'.\n\nWhile undesirable, they are sometimes unavoidable.  If you don't want\nto resist a criminal attack by all means do nothing.  I will (a) take\nmy chances resisting violent attack, and (b) stand a better chance of\nbeing unharmed than someone who does nothing.\n\n>Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will\n>be as safe as possible. Such as it is ...\n\nWhat a joke.  Criminals want a disarmed population.  How can you keep\ncriminals from preying on us after our best means of self defense is\ntaken away ?\n-- \nLarry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com\n","2137":"From: rudy@netcom.com (Rudy Wade)\nSubject: Re: YANKKES 1 GAME CLOSER\nArticle-I.D.: netcom.rudyC52rBD.86w\nOrganization: Home of the Brave\nLines: 18\n\nMy god, hope we don't have to put up with this kind of junk all season!\n\nIn article <002251w.5.734117130@axe.acadiau.ca> 002251w@axe.acadiau.ca (JASON WALTER WORKS) writes:\n>    The N.Y.Yankees, are now one game closer to the A.L.East pennant.  They \n>clobbered Cleveland, 9-1, on a fine pitching performance by Key, and two \n>homeruns by Tartabull(first M.L.baseball to go out this season), and a three \n\nHow many home runs by Tartabull?  Just 1, right, you must be thinking\nof Dean Palmer or Juan Gonzalez (both of Texas) who each had 2 homers.\n\n>run homer by Nokes.  For all of you who didn't pick Boggs in your pools, \n>tough break, he had a couple hits, and drove in a couple runs(with many more \n\nI don't know how many to follow, but he was 1 for 4.\n\n> GO YANKS., Mattingly for g.glove, and MVP, and Abbot for Cy Young.\n\nSpare us, please!\n","2138":"From: chrstie@ccu.umanitoba.ca (William John M. Christie)\nSubject: Re: Joystick suggestions?\nNntp-Posting-Host: varley.cc.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada\nLines: 31\n\n\nIt depends on what you'd like your joystick for.  I've seen Gravis\njoysticks at Radio Shack.  They seemed flimsy and didn't fit well in my\nhand.  I have heard on c.s.i.p.games that they don't last well (less than\na year) on flightsims.  One redeeming feature does seem to be the ability\nto adjust the tension of the stick.\n\nI recently purchased a CH Flightstick.  There aren't any suction cups and\nno tension adjusters but otherwise it seems to be an excellent joystick. \nI'm currently using it for the Wing Commander series and Red Baron.  Works\nquite well.  The large base does not require a steadying hand and so\nleaves it free.  The buttons provide good tactile response (you can hear\nand feel them well).  There are other models made by CH that can go up or\ndown in features.\n\nFor price comparison Gravis analogue joysticks sell for ~$35.00 here\ncompared to the $45.00 I paid for a CH Flightstick.  I think the extra\n$10.00 is worth it just in feel.  Best thing to do is to ask a salesperson\nto let you try them out or at least feel it before you buy.\n\nJust another note, analogue joysticks are best for flightsims or something\nthat needs sensitive touch.  If you're only playing games such as Castle\nWolfenstein or some other game that only uses digital input (ie. only up,\ndown, left, etc. instead of 'how much right') you might want to look into\na Gravis gamepad.  They look like a Nintendo control pad but I don't know\nmuch beyond that.\n-- \n     Will Christie       |    AATCHOO!      | PHILOSOPHY: the principles and \n University of Manitoba  |    Uh-oh...      |  science of thought and reality\n  Winnipeg, MB, Canada   |   I'm leaking    | PHILOSOPHER: someone who thinks\nchrstie@ccu.UManitoba.CA | brain lubricant. |  they're useful to society\n","2139":"From: wanderer@camelot.bradley.edu (Kevin Murphy)\nSubject: old license plates wanted\nNntp-Posting-Host: camelot.bradley.edu\nOrganization: Bradley University\nLines: 18\n\n\n  Hi.. Me and My roomate are going to redecorate the \"living room\" and \nwe thought it would be a cool idea to have a license plate from every \nstate in the US and then from whereever else we could find, like canada,\nMexixo, even some European ones.\n\n  If anyone has any ideas or knows someone that could help us out\nplease let me know....  The more recent, the better, but anything\nwould be nice.\n\n  Either that or if you have an old plate hanging around... (hint hint!)\n\nKev\nwanderer@camelot.bradley.edu\n\nKevin C Murphy\n1312 West Main Street #421\nPeoria IL 61606\n","2140":"From: gt4356c@prism.gatech.EDU (James Dean Barwick)\nSubject: Re: Permanaent Swap File with DOS 6.0 dbldisk\nDistribution: git\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 58\n\nIn comp.os.ms-windows.misc you write:\n\n>While reading through the DOS 6.0 book, it states that the Windows permanaent swap file will not work correctly when placed on a compressed drive.  To make things compatable,\n>I removed my Permanent swap file before starting the upgrade.  However, when all the dust settled, and I go into windows, it says that the temporary swap file is right where it always was, in the Windows directory.  My question is:  How come the temporary swap files works OK with a compressed drive, and the permanent one doesn't?\n\nyou might want to look in windows FAQ for this one, but here is my best\nexplanation.  But I can't guarantee that I'm not way off base...\n\nThe permenant swap file is read\/written to by windows by talking\ndirectly to the hard disk controller card.  The controller card must\nuse the protocal set up by western digital (or something like that).\nWindows creates a file called spart.par in your windows directory that\npoints to that file.  It then uses the physical information about your\ndisk to index to information in that file.\n\ncompressed disks are actually \"logical\" disks.  These disks have different\ncharacteristics than the actual physical disk.  Furthermore, the information\non the compressed disks must be uncompressed before it is used.  (i.e it must\ngo through the decompression program that traps disk reads at the operating\nsystem level or the BIOS level).  Because of this \"inbetween\" program, windows\ncannot use direct methods to read from the \"logical\" disk.\n\na permenant swap file is only there to \"reserve\" an area of the disk that\nwindows can use and to block that space from DOS.  Windows would theoretically\nnot even have to access the file from DOS to use that disk space. (I don't\nknow if it does or doesn't...but it checks for it somewhere everytime you\nboot windows.)\n\na temporary swap file is just a normal DOS file that is accessed by windows\nvia DOS and the BIOS.  If a disk compression program or other TSR is loaded\nthe file access must go through DOS...TSR'S (disk compression)...and BIOS in\norder to be access. (i.e. NEVER USE A TEMPORARY SWAP FILE...NEVER)\n\nmore on permenent swap files...\n\ni'm sure everyone who has an uncompressed part of their compressed hard disk\nhas seen the message \"you have selected a swap file greater than the suggested\nsize...windows will only use the size suggested...do you wan't to create this\nswap file anyway\" or something like that.\n\nwell, a friend of mine (ROBERT) called microsoft and asked them what and why.\nwhat they said is that windows checks the amount of free disk space and\ndivides that number by 2.  Then it checks for the largest contiguous block\nof free disk space.  Windows then suggests the smaller of the two numbers.\n\nThey also said that under absolutely no circumstances...NONE!...will windows\nuses a swap file larger than the suggested size.  Well...that's what he \nsaid!\n\nI call bull@#$#.  If this is true why does windows report the memory is\navailable to me if it's not going to use it?\n\nany takers?\n\nJames\n\n(if this doesn't get to the net, will someone post it for me?  thanks)\n\n","2141":"From: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)\nSubject: Re: KREME\nOrganization: Florida State University Computer Science Department\nReply-To: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu\nDistribution: rec\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.143716.18174@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:\n>Hi folks!\t\t\n>\n>Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only\t\n>one man's opinion.  \t\n>\n>Any one else have any experience with the stuff?\t\n>\n>\n\nOn my 59 sporty I had some pinhole leaks open up on the back seam.  I kreme\nit about a year ago and have had no problems at all.  Be real careful as\nthe cleaning part of the solution is hell on paint.\n  -Jim\n\n-- \nJim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved\n1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig\n","2142":"From: kpeterso@nyx.cs.du.edu (Kirk Peterson)\nSubject: IBM software for sale, cheap!\nOrganization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math\/CS dept.\nLines: 76\n\n\nFor Sale...:\n \n        Three software packages for IBM PC and compatible computers:\n \n \n                o Wing Commander deluxe edition\n                o Includes Secret Missions 1 & 2\n                o Includes all original packaging, manuals\n                  and disks\n                o Includes registration card (so you can\n                  send it in and register it in your name)\n                o Original price for Wing Commander: $69.95\n                o Original price for Secret Missions I: $29.95\n                o Original price for Secret Missions II: $29.95\n                o Total original price: $129.85\n                o My asking price for all these of these\n                  games TOGETHER is $65.00\n                o Wing Commander and the Secret Missions is a\n                  battle and flight simulator set in space.  It\n                  includes all the standard fun things about\n                  flight simulators, like taking off and landing\n                  on carriers, flying -- of course -- and better\n                  yet, it is also a battle simulator.  It is a\n                  lot of fun, indeed.\n                o An IBM PC or compatible with at least 640K, and\n                  dual floppies or a hard drive is required.\n \n \n                o WinWay Resume for Windows\n                o Includes all original packaging, manuals\n                  and disks\n                o Original price: $50.00\n                o My asking price: $35.00\n                o WinWay Resume is a resume writing program for\n                  Windows.  It is an excellent program (it got\n                  me a job!) and running under the Window's\n                  interface makes it very, very easy to use.  All\n                  you do is answer a few questions, and print out\n                  the results.  In just a few minutes, you have a\n                  beautifully and professionally designed resume.\n                o An IBM PC with Windows 3.0 or later installed\n                  and 1 MB of free hard disk space is required.\n \n \n                o More Typefaces\n                o Includes all original packaging, manuals\n                  and disks\n                o Original price: $99.99\n                o My asking price: $30.00\n                o More Typefaces is a package of three TypeType\n                  font families (for a total of twelve fonts) for\n                  Windows 3.1.  The fonts included are: Marque,\n                  Crystal and Architech, and of course italic,\n                  bold and bold italic versions are included with\n                  all those fonts.  Because of the unique font\n                  software included with the package, these fonts\n                  can be used with either the MoreFonts typeface\n                  program, Adobe Type Manager, TrueType, GeoWorks,\n                  Express Publisher and CorelDRAW.\n                o An IBM PC with Windows 3.1 and a hard disk is\n                  required if you want to use the typefaces in\n                  TrueType format.  For all other formats, an\n                  IBM PC and a hard disk with one of the programs\n                  listed above is required.\n \n \n        If you are interested in any of these programs, please\neither leave me email or call Kirk Peterson at (303) 494-7951,\nanytime.  If I don't answer, leave me a message on my answering\nmachine and I'll call you back.  I will pay the shipping on all\nof the programs to anywhere in the continental United States.\n \n        Thank you!\n \n\n","2143":"From: osburn@halcyon.com (Tim Osburn)\nSubject: Netware 3.11 & win 3.1 fileman\nOrganization: Northwest Nexus Inc.\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com\n\n\n\tIs there a update or something that will allow a person when\nusing novell 3.11 and windows 3.1 file manager to view the files with\nthe name of the person who created it or changed it like the novell\ncommand ndir ?\n\ntim osburn\nosburn@halcyon.com\n\n\n-- \n*------------------------------------------------------------------------------*|   Tim Osburn     KB7GBQ      osburn@halcyon.com      Bellevue, Washington    |*------------------------------------------------------------------------------*\n","2144":"From: mz@moscom.com (Matthew Zenkar)\nSubject: Re: CView answers\nOrganization: Moscom Corp., E. Rochester, NY\nLines: 18\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nCyberspace Buddha (cb@wixer.bga.com) wrote:\n: renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:\n: >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its\n: >\"current directory\".\n\n: I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use\n: to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then\n: invokes it.  every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file\n: is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on.\n\nThis is what I posted that cview uses the root directory of the drive\ncview is on.  However, since It has so much trouble reading large files\nfrom floppy, I suspect that it uses the root directory of the drive the\nimage files are on.\n\nMatthew Zenkar\nmz@moscom.com\n\n","2145":"From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)\nSubject: Evo. & Homosexuality (Was Re: Princeton etc.)\nArticle-I.D.: srvr1.1psosqINN3gg\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 51\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wormwood.engin.umich.edu\n\n\n Sorry, Bill, I had to clear this up. There may be good evolutionary\narguments against homosexuality, but these don't qualify.\n\nIn article <C4vwn0.JF5@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:\n>C.Wainwright (eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk) wrote:\n[deletions]\n>: |> It would seem odd if homosexuality had any evolutionary function\n[deletions]\n>: So *every* time a man has sex with a woman they intend to produce children?\n>: Hmm...no wonder the world is overpopulated.  Obviously you keep to the\n>: Monty Python song:  \"Every sperm is sacred\".  And if, as *you* say, it has\n>: a purpose as a means to limit population growth then it is, by your own \n>: arguement, natural.\n>\n>Consider the context, I'm talking about an evolutionary function. One\n>of the most basic requirements of evolution is that members of a\n>species procreate, those who don't have no purpose in that context.\n\n Oh? I guess all those social insects (e.g. ants, bees, etc.) which\nhave one breeding queen and a whole passel of sterile workers are on\nthe way out, huh?\n \n>: These days is just ain't true!  People can decide whether or not to have \n>: children and when.  Soon they will be able to choose it's sex &c (but that's \n>: another arguement...) so it's more of a \"lifestyle\" decision.  Again by\n>: your arguement, since homosexuals can not (or choose not) to reproduce they\n>: must be akin to people who decide to have sex but not children.  Both are \n>: as \"unnatural\" as each other.\n>\n>Yet another non-sequitur. Sex is an evolutionary function that exists\n>for procreation, that it is also recreation is incidental. That\n>homosexuals don't procreate means that sex is -only- recreation and\n>nothing more; they serve no -evolutionary- purpose.\n\n I refer you to the bonobos, a species of primate as closeley related to\nhumans as chimpanzees (that is, very closely). They have sex all the\ntime, homosexual as well as heterosexual. When the group finds food, they\nhave sex. Before the go to sleep at night, they have sex. After they\nescape from or fight off prdators, they have sex. Sex serves a very important\nsocial function above and beyond reproduction in this species. A species\nclosely related to humans. There is some indication that sex performs\na social function in humans, as well, but even if not, this shows that\nsuch a function is not *impossible*.\n\n Sincerely,\n\n Ray Ingles               ingles@engin.umich.edu\n\n \"The meek can *have* the Earth. The rest of us are going to the\nstars!\" - Robert A. Heinlein\n","2146":"From: mpalmer@encore.com (Mike Palmer)\nSubject: Re: DOS 6.0 Interlink\nOrganization: Encore Computer Corporation\nNntp-Posting-Host: sysgem1.encore.com\nLines: 9\n\njka@air77.larc.nasa.gov (J. Keith Alston) writes:\n\n>Hi,\n>  Does anyone know what type of cabling is required to use the Interlink\n>capability, provided in DOS 6.0?\n\nI tried a null modem cable and had two copies of procomm+ talking happily\nto one another - but Interlink kept saying \"No Connection made\".  I gave\nup and used floppies!\n","2147":"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: sgi\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\n\nIn article <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n|> \n|> I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable.  I base\n|> this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly\n|> of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition),\n|> almost all would want to complain.  Therefore I take it that to assert or\n|> believe that \"Freedom is not very valuable\", when almost everyone can see\n|> that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert \"it is not raining\" on\n|> a rainy day.  I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it\n|> it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values\n|> such as this exist.\n\nMy own personal and highly subjective opinion is that freedom\nis a good thing.\n\nHowever, when I here people assert that the only \"true\" freedom\nis in following the words of this and that Messiah, I realise\nthat people don't even agree on the meaning of the word.\n\nWhat does it mean to say that word X represents an objective\nvalue when word X has no objective meaning?\n\njon.\n","2148":"From: goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring)\nSubject: Re: Clinton's immunization program\nNntp-Posting-Host: dzoo.ch.apollo.hp.com\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard Company, Chelmsford, MA\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:\n>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.C\n>OM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling\n>>his so called stimulus package.\n>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free\n>>immunizations for poor kids.\n>\n>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to\n>go have it done.  The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents\n>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done.\n\n    In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health\n    care ACCESS program.  \"Access\" here means that folks who do not give \n    a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services\n    delivered to their doorsteps.\n\n\n-- \n------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDisclaimer: Opinions expressed are mine, not my employer's.\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2149":"From: gt1091a@prism.gatech.EDU (gt1091a gt1091a KAAN,TIMUCIN)\nSubject: Re: Lezgians Astir in Azerbaijan and Daghestan\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 16\n\nHELLO, shit face david, I see that you are still around. I dont want to \nsee your shitty writings posted here man. I told you. You are getting\nitchy as your fucking country. Hey , and dont give me that freedom\nof speach bullshit once more. Because your freedom has ended when you started\nwriting things about my people. And try to translate this \"ebenin donu\nbutti kafa David.\".\n\nBYE, ANACIM HADE.\nTIMUCIN\n\n\n-- \nKAAN,TIMUCIN\nGeorgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332\nuucp:\t  ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt1091a\nInternet: gt1091a@prism.gatech.edu\n","2150":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <C5sy24.LF4@watson.ibm.com> yozzo@watson.ibm.com (Ralph Yozzo) writes:\n\n>>Why do you think he would be called a quack?  The quacks don't do cultures.\n>>They poo-poo doing more lab tests:  \"this is Lyme, believe me, I've\n\n> \n>Are you arguing that the Lyme lab test is accurate?\n\nIf you culture out the spirochete, it is virtually 100% certain\nthe patient has Lyme.  I suppose you could have contamination\nin an exceptionally sloppy lab, but normally not.  There are no\nfalse positives.\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2151":"From: capelli@vnet.IBM.COM (Ron Capelli)\nSubject: Re: detecting double points in bezier curves\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM\nNews-Software: UReply 3.1\nLines: 16\n\nIn <ia522B1w165w@oeinck.waterland.wlink.nl> Ferdinand Oeinck writes:\n>I'm looking for any information on detecting and\/or calculating a double\n>point and\/or cusp in a bezier curve.\n\nSee:\n   Maureen Stone and Tony DeRose,\n   \"A Geometric Characterization of Parametric Cubic Curves\",\n   ACM TOG, vol 8, no 3, July 1989, pp. 147-163.\n_______________________________________________________________________\n\n...Ron Capelli                 IBM Corp.  Dept. C13,  MS. P230\n   capelli@vnet.ibm.com        PO Box 950\n   (914) 435-1673              Poughkeepsie, NY  12602\n_______________________________________________________________________\n\n\"There are no answers, only cross references.\"\n","2152":"From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)\nSubject: Re: Why mod a ZX-11? (was ZX-11 #4 cylinder running HOT,)\nNntp-Posting-Host: ccu.umanitoba.ca\nOrganization: University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Canada\nLines: 44\n\nIn <1993Apr1.212334.14870@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr1.173354.14424@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:\n>>\n\n>Power? hmmmmmm, well I haven't got it on the dyno or jetted. (waiting for the snow\n>to melt) Although I have a Factory jet kit + 4' advance,(jets are 145s, the stock\n>is 140, my book says 130 Calif.-> 150 UK, strange?), I don't want to fit it unless\n>there is a dyno handy.\n\n  I've heard that bikes tuned to perfection on the Dyno can be a little\ntoo close to the edge for street use. Cold morning, bad gas, etc.\n\n  Apparently they back them of some even for track use. \n\n You pays your money ...\n\n__\n   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who\n   Arch. & Eng. Services   |\"Lost Horizons\"  CR500 | I think I am. \n   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |\"The Embalmer\"   IT175 |           - anonymous\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>--\n>Stamos <lmcstst@lmc.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas\n>Ericsson, Cellular Design\n>Montreal, Canada.\n","2153":"From: harter5255@iscsvax.uni.edu\nSubject: Okidata printer for sale\nOrganization: University of Northern Iowa\nLines: 20\n\nFellow netters,\n\nI have an Okidata printer I would like to sell.  A description follows:\n\nOkidata 180 printer including cables for both IBM compatibles (Centronics\nparallel) and Commodore (RS-232 - round).  Also includes power cable, manual,\nand a handful of computer paper to get you started.  This is a 9-pin printer. \nI recently cleaned the printhead and installed a new ribbon.  A print sample \ncan be provided upon request.  This is a very dependable printer - it never\njams or does \"weird\" things.  I have used it with a Commodore for about 3 years\nand am now using it with my 486sx.  I use mainly WordPerfect 5.1 (see next\npost) for which I got a driver (at no charge) that directly supports the \nOkidata 180 in Epson FX mode. \n\nWhen I got the printer, it was selling for around $200-220 new (I got mine\nfrom Tenex brand new - for a Christmas present).  I would like to get about\n$100 or so for it.  If you are interested at all in it, please give me a ring\n(E-Mail) and make an offer.\n\n- Kevin Harter\n","2154":"From: cliff@watson.ibm.com (cliff)\nSubject: Reprints\nDisclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.\nNntp-Posting-Host: cliff.watson.ibm.com\nOrganization: A\nLines: 17\n\nI have a few reprints left of chapters from my book \"Visions of the             \nFuture\".  These include reprints of 3 chapters probably of interest to          \nreaders of this forum, including:                                               \n                                                                                \n1. Current Techniques and Development of Computer Art, by Franz Szabo           \n                                                                                \n2. Forging a Career as a Sculptor from a Career as Computer Programmer,         \nby Stewart Dickson                                                              \n                                                                                \n3. Fractals and Genetics in the Future by H. Joel Jeffrey                       \n                                                                                \nI'd be happy to send out free reprints to researchers for scholarly             \npurposes, until the reprints run out.                                           \n                                                                                \nJust send me your name and address.                                             \n                                                                                \nThanks, Cliff  cliff@watson.ibm.com                                             \n","2155":"From: chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu (Chung Hsiung Yang)\nSubject: Re: CD300 & 300i\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 28\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: leghorn.engin.umich.edu\nOriginator: chyang@leghorn.engin.umich.edu\n\n\nIn article <bauer-060493101758@134.60.68.23>, bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer) writes:\n> In article <Afi9sHS00VohMrYlEe@andrew.cmu.edu>, \"Donpaul C. Stephens\"\n> <deathbird+@CMU.EDU> wrote:\n> > \n> > What is the difference?\n> > I want a double-spin CD-ROM drive by May\n> > \n> > looking into NEC and Apple, doublespins only\n> > what is the best?\n> \n> Nec Toshiba and Sony (Apple) nearly deliver the same speed.\n> As apples prices are very low (compared to there RAM SIMMS)\n> You should buy what is inexpencive. But think of Driver revisions.\n> It is easier to get driver kits from Apple than from every other\n> manufacturer\n> \n> Christian Bauer\n> \n> bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de\n\n\n\tI thought NEC and Toshiba CD-ROM mechanism have an average \naccess time of less than 200 ms.  While the SONY-APPLE CD-ROM \ndrive has an access time of 300 ms for the doublespin models.\n\n- Chung Yang\n\n","2156":"From: roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby)\nSubject: Re: BATF\/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4\/19\nNntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu\nOrganization: University of Delaware\nLines: 50\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.163730.16128@guinness.idbsu.edu> betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz) writes:\n>In article <C5rynw.Iz8@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:\n>>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their \n>>hands up while national tv cameras watch.\n>>\n>Watch from where?  Two miles away?  Far enough away that whatever\n>really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of\n>a humiliated agency that said (quote!) \"Enough is enough.\"\n\nPlease tell me what you think would have happened had the people \ncome out with their hands up several weeks ago.\n\n>>scenario that is simplest and most plausible.  I do not generally \n>>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely \n>>scenarios.\n>\n>The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating\n>that MLK was having an affair!  Again, please tell us exactly\n>how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government.\n\nMore than someone who would not release children from the compound.\n\nI.e., more than David Koresh\/Vernon Howell\/\"Jesus Christ\".\nI saw lengthy excerpts from an Australian documentary made in \n1992 that clearly showed that this was a cult.\n\nI am not pleased with the BATF handling of the affair.  I think they \nbungled it badly from the start.  But I don't think they are \nresponsible for the fire, which started in two different places.\n\n>>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair.\n>>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is \n>>ludicrous.\n>\n>I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to\n>risk small arms fire to get some good footage.  These people\n>were told to get the hell out of camera range.  Why?\n>\n>Drew \n>--\n>betz@gozer.idbsu.edu\n>*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho ***\n>*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights   ***\n>*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,\n>    semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium\n\n\n-- \n\n\n","2157":"From: ld231782@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (L. Detweiler)\nSubject: An Open Letter to Mr. Clinton\nNntp-Posting-Host: dolores.lance.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523\nLines: 123\n\n\nI'm quite astonished, shocked, and appalled at this serious frontal \nassault on emerging American freedoms.  The Clinton administration \nnor any other government agency has any legitimate role whatsoever \nin regulating cryptography. To do so is tantamount to regulating \n`acceptable' speech, and is blatantly unconstitutional. Perhaps we \nshould rename this year `1984' in honor of such an illustrious \nproposal.  Let the Crappy Chip live in infamy, and the adminstration\nreceive great shame and discredit for this bizarre misadventure.\n\nI am outraged that my tax money is being used to develop technology\nto restrict my freedoms far beyond reasonable measures.  The U.S.\ngovernment will have my full uncooperation and disobedience on any\nserious threat to my liberties such as this, and I call on everyone\nwith an interest in a sensible government to resist and defy this \nproposal.  The administration does not seem to understand that they\nare merely a subservient instrument to implement the will of the\npublic, and hence anyone involved in this proposal in this respect is \nwholly negligent and remiss in performing their lawful duty.\n\n>While encryption\n>technology can help Americans protect business secrets and the\n>unauthorized release of personal information, it also can be used\n>by terrorists, drug dealers, and other criminals.\n\nIt seems to me that U.S. Diplomatic communications should be \ntappable by the U.N. whenever any countries produce a warrant to\nthe U.N.  In fact, I think we should stop paying the NSA billions\nof dollars a year to produce unbreakable codes for this reason.\nThese actions violate the sovereignity of international law. (I hope\nMr. Clinton is shrewd enough to recognize my sarcasm and satire here.\nBut if he isn't, it's a modest and reasonable proposal, so he should\nfind merit with it nevertheless.)\n\nCryptography is neutral technology. If everybody has strong \ncryptography (including policemen, bureacrats, businessmen, \nhousewives, thugs and hoodlums), we have a sustainable \nequilibrium.  Anything less is an unworkable anti-egaltarian \narrangement, intrinsically antithetical to American freedoms, and\nguaranteed to collapse under its own weight of inherent \nimpracticality. We don't need to compromise on issues of freedom.\n\n>For too long there has been little or no dialogue between our\n>private sector and the law enforcement community to resolve the\n>tension between economic vitality and the real challenges of\n>protecting Americans.\n\nFor too long our government has demonstrated itself to be \nincreasingly hostile and a serious obstacle to economic vitality \nand protecting Americans.\n\n>Since encryption technology will play an increasingly important\n>role in that infrastructure, the Federal Government must act\n>quickly to develop consistent, comprehensive policies regarding\n>its use.  The Administration is committed to policies that\n>protect all Americans' right to privacy while also protecting\n>them from those who break the law.\n\nIt is not possible for the Federal Government\nto ``act quickly'' or develop ``consistent, comprehensive\npolicies'' PERIOD.  And even if by some grandiose miracle such\na thing were possible, it would only be an efficient way to\ndeprive American citizens of fundamental and inalienable rights.\n\nThe administration has to be committed to leaving private \nindustries alone, esp. on this issue.  The government has no \nlegitimate role in regulating the content of communications.\nLaw enforcement agencies must be prepared to forfeit their\nsurveillance bludgeon; they are soon and inevitably to be \ndisarmed of it. \n\n>Q:   If the Administration were unable to find a technological\n>     solution like the one proposed, would the Administration be\n>     willing to use legal remedies to restrict access to more\n>     powerful encryption devices?\n\nNo such laws can be constitutionally sound, and this is equivalent\nto a veiled threat, which I don't appreciate.  This kind of \nextortion tends to agitate me and others into radicalism. I will\ntrade threats for threats, and violation for violation.\n\n>     The Administration is not saying, \"since encryption\n>     threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,\n>     we will prohibit it outright\" (as some countries have\n>     effectively done);\n\nIf the administration did say this, it would find itself \nimpeached for reckless and outrageous disregard of essential,\nestablished, entrenched, and explicit constitutional privacy \nguarantees. The administration would have no legal standing \nwhatsoever; such an action would be egregiously illegal and\ncriminal, and wholly untolerated and disregarded by vast \nsegments of the population.\n\n>     nor is the U.S. saying that \"every\n>     American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an\n>     unbreakable commercial encryption product.\" \n\nThe U.S., comprised of a vast majority of people fanatically \ncommitted to preserving their privacy in the face of an \nincreasingly totalitarian government, is saying just that.  \nTake your chips and give them to NSA employees as Christmas bonuses.\nWe can run any algorithm on our computers we damn well please, \nand we will make any chips we please, and we will send any bit \npattern over our data highways we please. And if you try to stop \nus, you will be gradually or abruptly dissolved into nothingness.\n\n[privacy vs. law enforcement]\n>     There is a\n>     false \"tension\" created in the assessment that this issue is\n>     an \"either-or\" proposition. \n\nThis is an outright Dingaling Denning lie.  The two aims of\nprivacy and surveillance are intrinsically and fundamentally \nincompatible, and you have to work for the NSA to think otherwise. \nAmericans are about to discover ways, through the use of technology, \nto preserve their inalienable but forgotten freedoms that have slowly \nbeen eroded away by an increasingly distant and unresponsive and \n*unrepresentative* government.\n\n--\n\nld231782@longs.LANCE.ColoState.EDU\n","2158":"From: scott@silverbullet.cam.org (Jeff Scott)\nSubject: Re: NTSC and the Mac\nLines: 24\nX-Mailer: rnMac Buggy, I mean Beta, Test Version\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t<stuff deleted>\n \n> Also, I am not interested in Quicktime.  I would merely like to\n> use my Mac as a television from time to time.  I have a nice\n> Sony 1430 monitor, and I would like to use it as a second TV\n> when my wife is watching sitcoms on our regular TV.  \n> \n\t\t\t\t\t<other stuff deleted>\n\nWouldn't it be cheaper to just buy a little fourteen inch colour tv? Just \ncurious...\n\n> \n> George Micahels\n\n\n\n\n--\n\nJeff Scott\nMontreal, Que, Canada\nscott@silverbullet.cam.org\n","2159":"Subject: Black Screen of Death, Windows, Novell\nFrom: psweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu\nOrganization: Miami University Academic Computer Service\"\nLines: 23\n\nHi there,\n\nWe are running a 120 node Token ring with Windows 3.1 and Novell 3.11.\n\nEvery once in a while, we run into \"The Black Screen of Death\", a phrase\ncoined by Robert X. Cringely in a recent InfoWorld column.  \n\nBasically, sometimes when you quit Windows, the screen goes black and\nyou get a nice little flashing cursor in the top left corner of your\nscreen.  Also, sometimes when you exit to DOS, the same effect occurs.\nCringely hints that Microsoft and\/or Novell has a patch for Windows'\nvirtual interrupt controller that  may solve this.  Neither company\nseems to know what I am talking about when I call them.\n\nHas anyone else noticed this phenomenon?  \n\nIs there a fix for it?\n\nAny response is welcome.\n\nPeter Sweeney\npsweeney@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu\n\n","2160":"From: marco@sdf.lonestar.org (Steve Giammarco)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: sdf public access Unix, Dallas TX 214\/436-3281\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <1qk1taINNmr4@calamari.hi.com> rogers@calamari.hi.com (Andrew Rogers) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr15.153729.13738@walter.bellcore.com> jchen@ctt.bellcore.com writes:\n>>Chinese, and many other Asians (Japanese, Koreans, etc) have used\n>>MSG as flavor enhancer for two thousand years. Do you believe that\n>>they knew how to make MSG from chemical processes? Not. They just\n>>extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth.\n>\n>And to add further fuel to the flame war, I read about 20 years ago that\n>the \"natural\" MSG - extracted from the sources you mention above - does not\n>cause the reported aftereffects; it's only that nasty \"artificial\" MSG -\n>extracted from coal tar or whatever - that causes Chinese Restaurant\n>Syndrome.  I find this pretty hard to believe; has anyone else heard it?\n\nI was under the (possibly incorrect) assumption that most of the MSG on\nour foods was made from processing sugar beets. Is this not true? Are \nthere other sources of MSG?\n\nI am one of those folx who react, sometimes strongly, to MSG. However,\nI also react strongly to sodium chloride (table salt) in excess. Each\ncauses different symptoms except for the common one of rapid heartbeat\nand an uncomfortable feeling of pressure in my chest, upper left quadrant.\n\n\n-- \nSteve Giammarco\/5330 Peterson Lane\/Dallas TX 75240\nmarco@sdf.lonestar.org\nloveyameanit.\n","2161":"From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)\nSubject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?\nArticle-I.D.: research.1993Apr6.175149.25051\nOrganization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <6APR93.15402582@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:\n>I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm \n>considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)\n>with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?\n\n\tDon't just nab it, POUNCE on it.  These are fairly rare bikes, and\nthey are MORE than adequate for putting a big brown stripe in your shorts.\nDoes a 50mph power wheelie appeal to you?  I thought it would...\n\n\tOnly really bad things:  the stock clutch isn't up to the task.\nBarnett can take care of this.  The back tire wears quickly (gee, wonder why?),\nand the induction system is a bear to work on.\n\nLater,\n-- \nChris BeHanna\tDoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady\nbehanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\nDisclaimer:  Now why would NEC\t  1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery\nagree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n","2162":"From: grady@world.std.com (Dick Grady)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nOrganization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <0w2Z2B1w164w@cellar.org> blu@cellar.org (Dan Reed) writes:\n>Fact is, I just leave the valet key in my glovebox for whenever \n>I need it...  \n\nThat will make it easy for a car thief.\nSaves him\/her the trouble of popping your ignition!\n\n-- \nDick Grady           Salem, NH,  USA            grady@world.std.com\nSo many newsgroups, so little time!\n","2163":"From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)\nSubject: Re: Its still cold, but...\nExpires: 30 Apr 93 05:00:00 GMT\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.224037.28921@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:\n>I tend to keep my bedroom window open during the winter and have woken\n>up to find frost on my bedspread, but I still get cold below about\n>30F.  Usually on the part that sticks out of the bottom of my helmet.\n>Maybe it's time to get a NOJ quiet rider.\n\nCool - I conjure up this image of BD in Doonesbury...so Dean, how long \nhave you been sleeping with your helmet on??\n\n\nRich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com\n1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173\n\"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect\n us from the evil men do in the name of good\"\n","2164":"From: badry@cs.UAlberta.CA (Badry Jason Theodore)\nSubject: Chaining IDE drives\nSummary: Trouble with Master\/Slave drives\nNntp-Posting-Host: cab009.cs.ualberta.ca\nOrganization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada\nLines: 16\n\nHi.  I am trying to set up a Conner 3184 and a Quantum 80AT drive.  I have\nthe conner set to the master, and the quantum set to the slave (doesn't work\nthe other way around).  I am able to access both drives if I boot from a \nfloppy, but the drives will not boot themselves.  I am running MSDOS 6, and\nhave the Conner partitioned as Primary Dos, and is formatted with system\nfiles.  I have tried all different types of setups, and even changed IDE\ncontroller cards.  If I boot from a floppy, everything works great (except\nthe booting part :)).  The system doesn't report an error message or anything,\njust hangs there.  Does anyone have any suggestions, or has somebody else\nrun into a similar problem?  I was thinking that I might have to update the bios\non one of the drives (is this possible?).  Any suggestions\/answers would be\ngreatly appreciated.  Please reply to:\n\n\tJason Badry\n\tbadry@cs.ualberta.ca\n\n","2165":"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: how can 0.022 uF be different from two 0.047 in series?!\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.185326.9830@Princeton.EDU> mg@cs.princeton.edu (Michael Golan) writes:\n>The board itself is also identical, with room for all three caps. The\n>US\/Can versions is clearly indicated in both places.\n>\n>How does that make sense? 0.047\/2 is 0.0235, essentially 0.022 for caps\n>(there are just standard caps, no special W\/type\/precision). \n\nThis may be a safety issue; the CSA is more paranoid in certain areas than\nUL and such.  Two caps in series means that you don't have a short if one\nof them shorts.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n                    - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n","2166":"From: eliot@stalfos.engr.washington.edu (eliot)\nSubject: Re: top 10 reasons why i love CR (not for the humor impaired)\nArticle-I.D.: engr.Apr06.203257.20048\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: clearer than blir\nLines: 15\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 192.42.145.4\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.194738.20021@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jnielsen@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (John F Nielsen) writes:\n\n[blah blah blah]\n\n>Ok if you are so right, name a few good examples that were brought up.\n\n\nlet's create a new group:  rec.autos.CR-is-right-no-its-not-yes-it-is-oh-yeah-\nmy-father-can-lick-your-father-.......\n\n\n:-)\n\n\neliot\n","2167":"From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)\nSubject: Re: story \nKeywords: PARTY!!!!\nNntp-Posting-Host: ursa\nOrganization: Calvin College\nLines: 12\n\nlynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:\n\n>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the\n>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of\n>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The\n>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The\n>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?\n\n\nAnd still we wonder why they stereotype us...\n\n-Erc.\n","2168":"From: semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (Steve Emmett)\nSubject: Moscow Aviation Institute summer school\nOrganization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA\nLines: 103\n\nI have attached a copy of an announcement I picked up during my trip to\nMoscow last week.  I have several friends at the Moscow Aviation\nInstitute who have asked me to post this announcement.  (I have done\nsome editing, but the contents is unchanged from the original\nannouncement.) \n\nFor those of you not familiar with the Moscow Aviation Institute, it is\nthe leading Russian school of higher education dedicated to the training\nof aircraft and spacecraft designers.  It specializes in airframe\ndesign, powerplant design, control systems, and power systems.\nVirtually all of the major former Soviet airframe designers (Tupolev,\nSu, Iluchine, Migoyan, etc.) were schooled at MAI.\n\nI had the opportunity to tour the two museums that are maintained at\nMAI.  The aircraft include Mig23, Su 27, Yak 38, the cockpit of an\nF-111(!), among others.  It was a fascinating and eye opening\nexperience, expecially given the fact that the museum was, until a year\nor so ago, closed to virtually everyone.  I also had the opportunity to\nsee some of the experiments being conducted with plasma drive engines\nfor future space craft use.\n\nIf you have any questions about the Institute, or the program, I would\nbe glad to try and answer them.  The institute, and most of it's faculty\nhave e-mail addresses.  However, it takes about a day or so for the\nreceiver to get the message.  They are still a bit antiquated - but they\nare rapidly changing!\n\nSteve Emmett\nsemmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu\n\nps  please send any questions you have for me via e-mail.  George Mason\nuniversity has about a 2 week (!) delay in news feed delivery.\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\t\tMOSCOW INTERNATIONAL AVIATION SCHOOL\n\nThe aviation school \"Poljot\" (meaning Flight) is organized by the the\nMoscow Aviation Institute, the prominent Russian Center of airspace\neducation and the foreign trade firm Poljot, well known in various\nparts of the world for their quartz and mechanical wrist watches.\n\nThe course of studies will last only 50 days, but during this time\nyou will have the unique opportunity:\n\t- to listen to intensive courses on the main aviation\ndisciplines, the history and theory of techniques, and design of\nairplanes;\n\t- to visit and get acquainted with the world known Russian \naviation firms - TU, MiG, Yak, Il and Su;\n\t- to meet and have discussions with famous aviation\nscientists, engineers and pilots;\n\t- to visit the most interesting museums of unique aviation\ntechniques which were closed for many years to the public;\n\t- to see the International Airspace Show which will take\nplace in Moscow from 31 August through 3 September 1993;\n\t- to visit famous art museums, historical and architectural\nmonuments, theatres and concert halls;\n\t- to take part in sport competitions and have a great time\nwith new friends.\n\nThe Director of the school is Mr. Oleg Samelovich, a well known\nRussian scientist, professor, general designer and the Chief of the\nAirplanes Design Department of the Moscow Aviation Institute.  Mr.\nSamelovich is one of the designers of the the Su-24, Su-25, and Su-27\n\nThe lectures are given in English, using a multi-media concept.  The\nstudents are provided with all the necessary text books and\nliterature.  After the full course of studies are completed, the\nstudent will receive a special certificate of graduation.\n\nThe cost of studies, including hotel, meals, excursions, theatres,\netc is $3500.\n\nTo apply for admission, send your application to:\n\n109147 Moscow Marksistskaja 34\nForeign Trade Firm \"Poljot\"\n274 00 13 (phone)\n274 00 22 (FAX)\n411989 POLEX SU (telex)\n\nIn your application, include your full name, address, date and place\nof birth.  In addition, include complete passport information, as well\nas a description of your education.\n\nUpon receipt of this information, \"Poljot\" will immediately forward\nto you an official invitation for obtaining a Russian entrance visa\nas well as details on payment.\n\nShould you require additional information, please do not hesitate to\ncontact us.\n\n(signed)\tO. Samelovich\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n-- \n\nSteve Emmett\t\t\t\t semmett@gmuvax2.gmu.edu\n------------------------------------------------------------------\nCSI\/Physics, George Mason University\n","2169":"From: rrmadiso@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (*** CHUCK ***)\nSubject: Re: Playoff predictions\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 32\n\nHere are my predictions (try not to laugh hysterically)\nSomebody save this so I can laugh when I win my own pool.\nI don't have prizes, but we all love BRAGGING RIGHTS, so winner takes them.\n\nAlso.  If somebody has some sort of scoring system let me know.\nI was thinking 1 for 1st round victories, 2 for second, 3 for 3rd, 4 for 4th\nBut we may get alot of ties.  Any ideas?\n\n\n\n1. BUFFALO\n2. MONTREAL\n3. PITTSBURGH\n4. WASHINGTON\n5. CHICAGO\n6. TORONTO\n7. WINNIPEG\n8. LOS ANGELES\n\n9. MONTREAL\n10.PITTSBURGH\n11.CHICAGO\n12.WINNIPEG\n\n13.MONTREAL\n14.CHICAGO\n\n15. MONTREAL\n\nRichard Madison\nrrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca\n\n","2170":"From: rmehta@paul.rutgers.edu (Rahul Mehta)\nSubject: Info on Books on BIOS, 286 etc.\nOrganization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.\nLines: 18\n\n\n\nHi Everybody,\n\n      I am interested in the following topics.\n\n1)BIOS programming on 286 and 386.\n2)Memory management in 286 and 386.\n3)Developing Visual Basic Custom Controls.\n\n     I would like to have your valuable opinion on the books\nthat are best in the above topics.  Please send a mail to\nrmehta@paul.rutgers.edu . I will post a summary of the \nsuggestions.\n\n  2**32-1  thanks in advance.\n\n-Rahul Mehta\n","2171":"From: 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu\nSubject: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot.\nOrganization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's\nLines: 14\n\nI just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect I have\nfor Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. First of all how could he\nstart Maldonado over May. After the way May played at the end of last year and\nthe way he tore up the Cactus League how could you let him sit the bench? Not\nto mention that a right hander (Maddux) started. I really blew my top when\nLefebvre pinch hit for Rick Wilkins with TOMMY SHIELDS! How can you do that\njust because of the lefty-righty thing, too much is made of that. Wilkins is\ntwice the hitter that Shields is. Then the next batter was Jose Vizcaino, one\nof the weakest hitters I have ever seen, and who had looked terrible at bat all\nday, and Lefebre let him hit, while May still sat the bench. I think even Arnie\nHarris was stunned by this because he showed May sitting in the dugout while\nVizcaino was batting. Face it Lefebvre has got to be the worst manager in\nbaseball.\n\t\t\t\t\t\tA dishard Cub fan\n","2172":"From: gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond)\nSubject: Re: Old Spacecraft as NAvigation Beacons!\nIn-Reply-To: nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu's message of 21 Apr 93 08:15:55 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: leo-gw\nOrganization: Burdett, Buckeridge & Young, Melbourne, Australia\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr21.001555.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:\n   Other idea for old space crafts is as navigation beacons and such..\n   Why not??\n\nBecause to be any use as a nav point you need to know -exactly- where\nit is, which means you either nail it to something that doesn't move\nor you watch it all the time.  Neither of which is possible on a\ndeactivated spacecraft.  Then you have to know exactly how far away\nfrom it you are; this may or may not be possible with the hardware on\nboard. \n\nApart from which, there is absolutely no need for navigation beacons.\n--\nGregory Bond <gnb@bby.com.au> Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia\n   Knox's 386 is slick.            Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box\n   Knox's box is very quick.       Plays lots of LSL. He's sick!\n(Apologies to John \"Iron Bar\" Mackin.)\n","2173":"From: djs9683@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nSubject: Re: Finnally, the Phils have support\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxc.isc.rit.edu\nReply-To: djs9683@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\n\nThe Phillies were picked to be in first.\nSomeone replied that the people who picked them were the same people who\npicked the Mets last year.\n\nMy reply:  Yeah, that may be true, but this IS the Phillies.\n\nFritz\n","2174":"From: nichael@bbn.com (Nichael Cramer)\nSubject: Re: Dead Sea Scrolls\nReply-To: ncramer@bbn.com\nOrganization: BBN, Interzone Office\nLines: 24\n\ndhancock@teosinte.agron.missouri.edu (Denis Hancock) writes:\n   > [A very nice article on the DSS, which I thought answered\n   >  David Cruz-Uribe's original queries quite well]\n\n   Here are some books I have read recently that helped me not only\n   prepare for a 5 week series I taught in Sunday School, but greatly\n   increased my knowledge of the Qumran scrolls. [...]\n\nOne other recent book I would heartily recommend is Joseph Fitzmyer's\n_Response to 101 Questions about the Dead Sea Scrolls_ (Paulist,\n1992).\n\nFitzmyer is one of the preeminent modern NT scholars.  He was also one\nof the early workers on the DSS.  His book is written in a\nstraightforward Q&A that allows it to serve as a source for a great\nwealth of clearly presented basic, up-to-the-moment information about\nthe DSS.\n\n(This book is something of a companion volume to Raymond Brown's\n_Response to 101 Questions about the Dead Sea Scrolls_.)\n\nNichael\n\nPop Quiz: What's wrong with the cover of this book?     ;)\n","2175":"From: rbrand@usasoc.soc.mil (Raymond S. Brand)\nSubject: \"Clipper Chip\" facts: a request\nOrganization: is a nice thing...\nLines: 28\n\nHaving read the various \"Clipper\" announcements on the net over the last few \ndays and a LOT of uninformed speculation about the chip, its uses,\ngovernment plots, etc, I have the following questions.\n\n  1) What does the \"Clipper chip\" actually implement? Just the Skipjack\n\tcryptographic algorithm? Or does it also implement a \"chip to chip\"\n\tcommunications protocol? If it does implement a communications\n\tprotocol, can it be used as just a \"crypt chip\" also.\n\n  2) Where can the chip specifications and spec sheets be obtained?\n\n  3) Who may purchase them and under what conditions?\n\n  4) Are there restrictions as to how the chip may be used in a system?\n\n  5) The security of the algorithm and the encrypted communications does\n\tnot appear to require that the \"Family key\" be a secret. Why is\n\tit a secret? What happens when the \"family key\" becomes well known?\n\tIf it's a secret to make traffic analysis more difficult, does\n\tthe \"Law enforcement message\" contain any random information?\n\tHow much and how random is it?\n\n  6) Can the chip be programmed to reveal the \"Unit key\"? The chip \"serial\n\tnumber\"? Any of the programming parameters?\n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nRaymond S. Brand\t\t\t\t\trbrand@usasoc.soc.mil\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2176":"From: msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader)\nSubject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?\nOrganization: SoftQuad Inc., Toronto, Canada\nLines: 34\n\n> > Can these questions be answered for a previous\n> > instance, such as the Gehrels 3 that was mentioned in an earlier posting?\n\n> Orbital Elements of Comet 1977VII (from Dance files)\n> p(au)          3.424346\n> e              0.151899\n> i              1.0988\n> cap_omega(0) 243.5652\n> W(0)         231.1607\n> epoch       1977.04110\n\nThanks for the information!\n\nI assume p is the semi-major axis and e the eccentricity.  The peri-\nhelion and aphelion are then given by p(1-e) and p(1+e), i.e., about\n2.90 and 3.95 AU respectively.  For Jupiter, they are 4.95 and 5.45 AU.\nIf 1977 was after the temporary capture, this means that the comet\nended up in an orbit that comes no closer than 1 AU to Jupiter's --\nwhich I take to be a rough indication of how far from Jupiter it could\nget under Jupiter's influence.\n\n> Also, perihelions of Gehrels3 were:\n> \n> April  1973     83 jupiter radii\n> August 1970     ~3 jupiter radii\n\nWhere 1 Jupiter radius = 71,000 km = 44,000 mi = 0.0005 AU.  So the\n1970 figure seems unlikely to actually be anything but a perijove.\nIs that the case for the 1973 figure as well?\n-- \nMark Brader, SoftQuad Inc., Toronto\t\t\"Remember the Golgafrinchans\"\nutzoo!sq!msb, msb@sq.com\t\t\t\t\t-- Pete Granger\n\nThis article is in the public domain.\n","2177":"From: jim@specialix.com (Jim Maurer)\nSubject: Re: The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum: A Costly and Dangerous Mistake\nOrganization: Specialix Inc.\nLines: 25\n\narf@genesis.MCS.COM (Jack Schmidling) writes:\n\n>In article <C5ut1s.3xA@bony1.bony.com> jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni) writes:\n>>through private contributions on Federal land\".  Your hate-mongering\n>>article is devoid of current and historical fact, intellectual content\n>>and social value.  Down the toilet it goes.....\n>>\n\n>And we all know what an unbiased source the NYT is when it comes to things\n>concerning Israel.\n\n>Neither the Times nor the trained seals who have responded thus far seem to\n>recognize the statement that these \"private funds\" were all tax exmpt.  In\n>otherwords, American taxpayers put up at least 30% of the money.  And\n>finalyy, how does \"Federal land\" mitigate the offensiveness of this alien\n>monument dedicated to perpetuating pitty and the continual flow of tax money\n>to a foreign entity?\n\n>That \"Federal land\" and tax money could have been used to commerate\n>Americans or better yet, to house homeless Americans.\n\nThe donations are tax deductible like any donations to a non-profit\norganization.  I've donated money to a group restoring streetcars\nand it was tax deductible.  Why don't you contribute to a group\nhelping the homeless if you so concerned?\n","2178":"From: wsun@jeeves.ucsd.edu (Fiberman)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nKeywords: MSG, Glu\nOrganization: University of California, San Diego\nLines: 5\nNntp-Posting-Host: jeeves.ucsd.edu\n\nI have heard that epileptic patients go into seizures if they\neat anything with MSG added.  This may have something to do with\nthe excitotoxicity of neurons.\n\n-fm\n","2179":"From: jodfishe@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (joseph dale fisher)\nSubject: Re: Revelations\nOrganization: Indiana University\nLines: 34\n\nHe doesn't contradict himself.  The church is to last for all time.\nHowever, there are those who use the church to bolster themselves.  This\nis evident in many letters.  For instance, Paul talks about the\n\"super-apostles\" to the Corinthians (2 Corinthians 11-12), he mentions\nhow people will be led away by miracles, signs, and wonders (2\nThessalonians 2:9-12), he tells Timothy that it is clear that some will\nabandon the faith and teach lies (1 Timothy 4:1-3) and that some will\nsearch for teachers to suit what they want to hear (2 Timothy 4:3-4).\nSuch passages go throughout the letters and Jesus does warn about them\n(Matthew 24:4-14).  But look at the promise in this last part.  Verse\n14:  \"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world\nas a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.\"  Even today,\nthere are false teachings.  I can name two which I am well familiar\nwith:  the non-need of baptism and the \"praying of Jesus into your life\nfor salvation\".  Both are taught.  Both are DEAD wrong.  They have been\ntaken out of context from some verses, interpreted from others, and just\nplain made up.  The ONLY way Jesus taught is given in Luke 9:23-26 and\nLuke 14:25-33.  He then commands baptism in Matthew 28:18-20.  The\nchurch Jesus founded, though, is alive and well.  It's not being\npersecuted as much as back then (the laws won't allow it yet), but it is\nbeing persecuted.\n\nJoe Fisher\n\n>\n>Peace,\n>Lou\n>\n>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\n>+       Lou Nunez   (e-mail lnunez@vaxa.stevens-tech.edu)       +\n>+   + Ps 42(43):4 + Ps 90(91):5-6 +  Dn 3:52-90 + Ml 1:11 +     +\n>+  + Ad Altare Dei + Ad Deum Qui Laetificat Juventutem Meam +   +\n>+  + 1Cor 4:15 + MT 16:13-19 + 1Cor 13:1-13 + Luke 10:25-37 +   + \n>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\n","2180":"From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)\nSubject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)\nOrganization: Manes and Associates, NYC\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 168\n\nJim De Arras (jmd@cube.handheld.com) wrote:\n: > Last year the US suffered almost 10,000 wrongful or accidental\n: > deaths by handguns alone (FBI statistics).  In the same year, the UK\n: > suffered 35 such deaths (Scotland Yard statistics).  The population\n: > of the UK is about 1\/5 that of the US (10,000 \/ (35 * 5)).  Weighted\n: > for population, the US has 57x as many handgun-related deaths as the\n: > UK.  And, no, the Brits don't make up for this by murdering 57x as\n: > many people with baseball bats.\n\n: You just can't compare this way!  All homicides must be shown, per capita, not  \n: just handguns.  The availability of them in the USA makes them the preferred  \n: murder weapon, but ban them, and some other weapon will step in as the  \n: favorite.\n\nAs a \"favorite\", sure.  As lethal, not likely.  A study of violence in\nChicago produced this table:\n\n\t\tPercentage of Reported Gun and Knife Attacks\n\t\t\t    Resulting in Death\n\t\t\t    \n\tWeapon\t\t\t\tDeaths As Percentage of Attacks\n\t---------------------------------------------------------------\n\tKnives (16,518 total attacks)\t\t 2.4\n\tGuns (6,350 total attacks)\t\t12.2\n\n\tSource: Firearms and Violence in American Life\n\t\nIt might be contended that if gun murderers were deprived of guns\nthat they would find a way to kill as often with knives.  If this were\nso, knife attacks in cities where guns were widely used in homicide\nwould be expected to show a low fatality rate, and knife attacks in\ncities where guns were not so widely used (like Vancouver) would show\na higher fatality rate.  But the Nat'l Commission on the Causes and\nPrevention of Violence Task Force analyzed the data and found this\nnot to be the case.  It appeared to them that as the number of knife\nattacks increased in relation to the number of firearms attacks\n(which presumably happened where guns were less available to assailants),\nthe proportion of FATAL knife attacks did NOT increase relative to the\nproportion of gun attacks.  In fact, the reverse was true.\n\nWhat was found was that most homicides did not show a determination on\nthe part of the assailant to kill.  Fatalities caused by knife tended\nto show a single-mindedness on the part of the assailant to do grave\nphysical injury: multiple stabs wounds, wounds concentrated about the\nhead neck and chest, etc.  Most gun homicides did not show this\npattern.  Rather, more fatal attacks were committed during a moment of\nrage and not the focused intent to kill the victim.\n\n\tSource: Report on Firearms and Violence\n\n: Then, since England != USA (my ancestors left because of the oppression) you  \n: must compare England before strict gun laws to England after strict gun laws to  \n: be able to draw any meaning at all.  England has essentially legalized drugs,  \n: so there are no drug gangs battling for turf, etc., there.  If you drop out the  \n: drug related killings here, the USA would look a whole lot more peaceful.\n\nThere are a lot of factors which make a difference.  Actually, I'm not\nfond of making ANY kind of social parallels between Europeans and\nAmericans. There are more cultural, beahvioral and economic\ndifferences between us than similarities.  I just sort of found\nmyself backed into that corner over the last couple of weeks.  I\ndon't think we could ever attain the low levels of European violent\ncrime here in the US, whether we banned guns or required every\nlaw-abiding citizen to carry a loaded Uzi.\n\nOn the other hand, we can draw lessons from neighbors who are more\nculturally similar, namely the Canadians.  In fact, an exhaustive,\nseven-year study has already been done of the respective crime rates\nof Vancouver, British Columbia and Seattle, Washington... cities\nwith roughly the same population, urban economy, geography\nand crime but with decidedly different approaches to gun control.\n\nIn Seattle, handguns may be purchased legally for self-defense.  After\na 30-day waiting period, a permit can be obtained to carry a concealed\nweapon.  The recreational use of handguns is minimally restricted.\n\nIn Vancouver, self-defense is not considered a valid or legal reason\nto purchase a handgun.  Concealed weapons are not permitted.\nRecreational uses of handguns (target shooting, collecting) are\nregulated by the province.  Purchase of a handgun requires a\nrestricted-weapons permit.  A permit to carry may be obtained in\norder to transport the weapon to licensed shooting clubs.  Handguns\ntransported by vehicle must be stored in the trunk in a locked box.\nIn short, gun control but not unreasonably so.\n\nBoth cities aggressively enforce their gun laws.  Convictions for\ngun-related offenses carry similar penalties.  The researchers\nstudied all cases of robbery, assault (simple and aggravated),\nburglary and homicides occurring in Seattle and Vancouver from\n1\/1\/80 to 12\/31\/86. In defining the cases, they used the same\nstandard: the FBI's Unified Crime Report.\n\nResults: during the seven-year study the annual rate of robbery in\nSeattle was found to be only slightly higher than that in Vancouver\n(1.09 \/ 1.11).  Burglaries occurred at nearly identical rates (.99).\n18,925 assaults were recorded in Seattle versus 12,034 in\nVancouver.  The risk of being a victim of a simple assault in\nSeattle was found to be only slightly higher than Vancouver (1.18 \/\n1.15) and the risk of aggravated assault was also slightly higher\n(1.16 \/ 1.12).  However, when aggravated assaults were subdivided by\nweapon and the mechanism of assault, a clear pattern emerged.\nAlthough both cities reported nearly identical rates of aggravated\nassault involving knives and other dangerous weapons, firearms were\nfar more likely to be used in Seattle.  In fact, 7.7 times as often.\n\nOver the seven-year study, 388 homicides occurred in Seattle\n(11.3 per 100,000) vs. 204 homicides in Vancouver (6.9 per 100,000).\nAfter adjustment for differences in age and sex among the populations,\nthe relative risk of being a victim of homicide in Seattle, as\ncompared to Vancouver, was found to be 1.63.\n\nWhen homicides were subdivided by the mechanism of death, the rate\nof homicide by knives and other weapons (excluding firearms) in\nSeattle was found to be almost identical to that in Vancouver.\nVirtually ALL of the increased risk of death in Seattle was due to\na more than fivefold higher rate of homicide by firearms.  Handguns\naccounted for roughly 85% of homicides involving firearms.  Handguns\nwere 4.8 times more likely to be used in homicides in Seattle than\nin Vancouver.\n\nThe authors of the report also investigated \"legally justifiable\"\nhomicides (self-defense).  Only 32 such homicides occurred during\nthe seven-year study, 11 of which were committed by police.  Only\n21 cases of civilians acting in self-defense occurrred: 17 in\nSeattle and 4 in Vancouver.  Only 13 involved firearms.  After\nexcluding these cases, there was virtually no impact on these\nearlier findings.\n\n-------\n\nThis is, I feel, a very fair report.  One might even make the\nargument that it is biased against Canada as a whole because\nVancouver reports annual rates of homicide two to three times\nthat of Ottawa, Calgary and Toronto while Seattle reports\nannual homicide rates only half to two-thirds that of NYC,\nChicago, Los Angeles and Houston.\n\nCritics of handgun control always argue that limited legal access\nto handguns will have little effect on the rates of homicide because\npersons intent on killing others will only try harder to acquire a\ngun or will kill by other means.  This report shows differently.\nIf the rate of homicide in a community were influenced more by\nthe strength of intent than by the availability of weapons, we\ncould expect the rate of homicides by weapons other than guns to\nbe higher in Vancouver than in Seattle.  However, during the study\ninterval, Vancouver's rate of homicide by weapons other than guns\nwas not significantly higher than that in Seattle, suggesting that\nfew would-be assailants switched to homicide by other methods.\n\nAs well, ready access to handguns for self-defense by law-abiding\ncitizens was not endorsed in this report.  Although Seattle did\nexperience a higher rate of firearm death for self-defense, these\ncases accounted for less than 4% of the homicides in both cities\nduring the course of the study period.  And, as was reported,\nSeattle apparently didn't enjoy relief from any crime category\nover Vancouver because citizens may legally arm themselves for\nself-defense.\n\n\tHeavily quoted source: Handgun Regulation, Crime,\n\tAssaults, and Homicide: A Tale of Two Cities.\n\n\tJohn H. Sloan, Arthur L. Kellerman, Donald T. Reay,\n\tJames A. Ferris, Thomas Koepsall, Frederick P. Rivara,\n\tCharles Rice, Laurel Gray and James LoGerfo\n-- \nStephen Manes\t\t\t\t\t   manes@magpie.linknet.com\nManes and Associates\t\t\t\t   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o\n\n","2181":"From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady)\nSubject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)\nSummary: Asking the wrong question is the most fundamental error. \nKeywords: science   errors   Turpin  \nOrganization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept)\nExpires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT\nLines: 80\n\n\nAvoiding mistakes is certainly highly desirable.  However it is also \nwidely acknowledged that perfectionism is inimicable to creativity. \nAnd in ordinary life, perfectionism carried beyond a certain point is \nindicative of a psychological disorder.  In the extreme case, a  \nperfectionist becomes so paralyzed by all the possible mistakes he might \nmake that he is unable to even leave the house.  \n\nIn science, we want to discover as much truth about the world as possible \nand we also want to have as much certainty as possible about these \ndiscoveries.  Usually there is some trade-off between these two desiderata \n--- the search for scope and the search for certainty.  \n\nIf 18th century mathematicians had demanded total rigor from Newton and \nLeibniz then there would probably be no calculus today, because neither \nof the two could explain calculus in a way that really made sense, since \nthey lacked the concept of a limit.  And in fact, because of the lack of \na rigorous foundation, they made a number of errors in their use of calculus. \nIt was only a hundred years later that Weistrass was able to give a solid \ngrounding for the ideas of Newton and Leibniz.  Nonetheless, what Newton \nand Leibniz did was undoubtedly science and mathematics gained a great \ndeal more from the application of their important ideas than it lost \nthrough the mistakes they made.  \n\nIn article <1993Apr14.171230.16138@kestrel.edu> king@reasoning.com \n    (Dick King) writes:\n>  [ Somebody writes: ]\n>>I doubt if Einstein used any formal methodology.  ....\n>  ....\n>He also proposed numerous experiments which if performed would distinguish a\n>universe in which special relativity holds from one in which it does not.\n>         ....\n>Einstein played by the rules, which demand that hypotheses only be put out\n>there if there exists a specific experiment that could disprove them.\n\nThese are not the rules according to many who post to sci.med and\nsci.psychology.  According to these posters  \"If it's not supported by\ncarefully designed controlled studies then it's not science.\"\n\nTaken to the extreme, I believe that the attitude that empirical studies \nare everything and ideas are nothing results in a complete stultification \nof science.  \n\nFor one thing, an insistence on an elaborate and expensive methodology \nresults in a sort of scientific trade-unionism, where those outside \nthe establishment and lacking institutional or corporate support have \nno chance to obtain a hearing.  (I don't in the least believe that this \nis the intention of the arbiters of scientific methodology.  Nonetheless, \nit is one of the results.)   And although institutional science has \ncertainly produced many wonderful results, I think it is a foolish \narrogance for scientists to believe that no one outside the establishment \n--- and using less than perfect empirical methodology --- will ever come \nwith anything worthwhile.  \n\nFurthermore, the big bucks approach to science promotes what I think is\none of the most significant errors in science:  choosing to investigate\nquestions because they can be readily handled by the currently\nfashionable methodology (or because one can readily get institutional\nor corporate sponsorship for them) instead of directing attention to\nthose questions which seem to have fundamental significance.\n\nFor instance, certain questions cannot be easily investigated with\nstatistical methods because the relevant factors are not quantitative.\n(One could argue that this is the case for almost all questions in many\nareas of psychology.  In my opinion, a perusal of many of the papers\nresulting from the attempt by psychologists to force these questions\ninto a statistical framework gives the lie to Russell Turpin's\nassertion that current scientific methods \"avoid all known errors.\")\n\nI think that asking the wrong question is probably the most fundamental \nerror in science.  (Ignoring potentially valuable ideas is one of the \nothers.)  And I think that scientific journals are full of all \ntoo many studies done with impeccable empirical methods but which are \nworthless because the wrong question was asked in the first place.  \n\n--\nIn the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems \nless like a science than a collection of competing religious sects.   \n\nlady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu         lady@uhunix.bitnet\n","2182":"From: dstampe@psych.toronto.edu (Dave Stampe)\nSubject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed\nKeywords: polygon, needed\nOrganization: Department of Psychology, University of Toronto\nLines: 27\n\nsol.surv.utas.edu.au (Stephen Quan) writes:\n\n>>>>[...], but I'm looking for a fast polygon routine to be used in a 3D game.\n>>>A fast polygon routine to do WHAT?\n>>To draw polygons of course.  Its a VGA mode 13h (320x200) game, [...]\n>\n>Hi, I've come across a fast triangle fill-draw routine for mode 13h.  By\n>calling this routine enough times, you have a fast polygon drawing routine.\n>\n>I think I ftp'ed from wuarchive.wustl.edu:\/pub\/MSDOS_UPLOADS\/programming.\n>I have a copy of it so I reupload it there.  The triangle.txt file has this\n>to say :\n>\n>>  C and inline assembly source for a VGA mode 13h triangle drawer.\n>\nAnother source:  There's a poly blitter for mode y (mode x in 320x200)\nat sunee.uwaterloo.ca.  Also there is REND386, an even faster 3D\nrenderer with VR extensions.\n\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n| My life is Hardware,                    |         Dave Stampe          | \n| my destiny is Software,                 | dstampe@psych.toronto.edu    |\n| my CPU is Wetware...                    | dstampe@sunee.uwaterloo.ca   | \n| Am I a techno-psychologist, or just a psycho-engineer ??               |\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","2183":"From: nill.toulme@datadim.uu.holonet.net (Nill Toulme)\nSubject: used Taurus SHO purchase\nArticle-I.D.: datadim.274.332.uupcb\nReply-To: nill.toulme@datadim.uu.holonet.net (Nill Toulme)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: The Data Dimension PCBoard - Norcross, GA - 404-921-1186\nLines: 31\n\nQuoting Jeffrey J. Nucciarone's (nucci@microwave.gsfc.nasa.gov) article \n<C4G8Hv.Cs4@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> of 04-06-93, in pertinent part:\n\n JJ>   I am considering buying a used '90 Taurus SHO.  The car in \n JJ> question has 37k miles. I took it for a test drive the other day\n JJ> and a few questions came up.\n JJ> \n JJ> . . .\n JJ>   Second, is there anything I should specifically look for in an \n JJ> SHO of this vintage? Anything I should specifically ask abt?  \n JJ> (Brakes, cluthch, etc.)  I noticed on the drive the clutch engagemen\n JJ> point seemed a little high; since all my other cars are auto-tragics\n JJ> I'm not sure abt this point. I had my foot firmly planted on the\n JJ> brake when I started it up. There was a bit of a pop in the pedal\n JJ> soon after the engine started. This also occured on a few T-bird SC'\n JJ> I test drove. Was this the ABS self test?\n \nBrake rotors and the clutch are the main things.  There has been a clutch \nreplacement program; you might check to see if the car is still eligible, \nas it is a change well worth making.  You can also swap the cruddy cable \nshifter for the newer rod shifter, also a change worth making, but that'll \ncost you some $$.\n\nMy brakes usually do one wibble-wobble on startup, so that is probably \nnormal.  Didn't know they had a self-test, that's interesting.\n\nWhat kind of tires does the car have on it?\n\n---\n * WinQwk 2.0b#131 * For a good time dial 7000 on your SHO. *\n                                                                                           \n","2184":"From: globus@nas.nasa.gov (Al Globus)\nSubject: Space Colony Size Preferences Summary\nOrganization: Applied Research Office, NASA Ames Research Center\nReply-To: globus@nas.nasa.gov\nDistribution: sci.space\nLines: 92\n\n\nSome time ago I sent the following message:\n   Every once in a while I design an orbital space colony.  I'm gearing up to\n   do another one.  I'd some info from you. If you were to move\n   onto a space colony to live permanently, how big would the colony have\n   to be for you to view a permanent move as desirable?  Specifically,\n\n   How many people do you want to share the colony with?\n \n\n   What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?  \n\n\n   Assume 1g living (the colony will rotate).  Assume that you can leave\n   from time to time for vacations and business trips.  If you're young\n   enough, assume that you'll raise your children there.\n\nI didn't get a lot of responses, and they were all over the block.\nThanx muchly to all those who responded, it is good food for thought.\n\n\n\n\nHere's the (edited) responses I got:\n\n\n   How many people do you want to share the colony with?\n \n100\n\n   What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?  \n\nCylinder 200m diameter x 1 km long\n\nRui Sousa\nruca@saber-si.pt\n\n=============================================================================\n\n>   How many people do you want to share the colony with?\n\n100,000 - 250,000\n\n>   What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?  \n\n100 square kms surface, divided into city, towns, villages and\ncountryside.  Must have lakes, rivers amd mountains.\n\n=============================================================================\n\n> How many\n1000.  1000 people really isn't that large a number;\neveryone will know everyone else within the space of a year, and will probably\nbe sick of everyone else within another year.\n\n>What physical dimensions does the living are need to have?  \n\nHm.  I am not all that great at figuring it out.  But I would maximize the\npercentage of colony-space that is accessible to humans.  Esecially if there\nwere to be children, since they will figure out how to go everywhere anyways.\nAnd everyone, especially me, likes to \"go exploring\"...I would want to be able\nto go for a walk and see something different each time...\n\n=============================================================================\n\nFor population, I think I would want a substantial town -- big enough\nto have strangers in it.  This helps get away from the small-town\n\"everybody knows everything\" syndrome, which some people like but\nI don't.  Call it several thousand people.\n\nFor physical dimensions, a somewhat similar criterion:  big enough\nto contain surprises, at least until you spent considerable time\ngetting to know it.  As a more specific rule of thumb, big enough\nfor there to be places at least an hour away on foot.  Call that\n5km, which means a 10km circumference if we're talking a sphere.\n\n                                         Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology\n                                          henry@zoo.toronto.edu   utzoo!henry\n\n=============================================================================\nMy desires, for permanent move to a space colony, assuming easy communication\nand travel:\n\nSize:  About a small-town size, say 9 sq. km.  'Course, bigger is better :-)\nPopulation:  about 100\/sq km or less.  So, ~1000 for 9sqkm.  Less is\nbetter for elbow room, more for interest and sanity, so say max 3000, min 300.\n\n-Tommy Mac\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nTom McWilliams | 517-355-2178 (work) \\\\     Inhale to the Chief!\n18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu  | 336-9591 (hm)\\\\  Zonker Harris in 1996!\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2185":"From: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu (David Matthew Deane)\nSubject: Re: Flaming Nazis\nReply-To: deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu\nOrganization: Brandeis University\nLines: 94\n\nIn article <1qsami$3h7@access.digex.net>, dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney)\nwrites:\n>The trouble with trying to find out the truth is that Roehm and his\n>buddies were ACCUSED OF being flaming faggots, one of the pretexts for the\n>Night of Long Knives in which Roehm and most of the SA wing of the NSDAP\n>were purged. \n\nStop! Hold it! You have a few problems here. Official history says that \nthe first accusations of homosexuality in the SA came from OUTSIDE of the Nazi \nparty, long BEFORE the Nazis ever came to power. So this objection is a red\nherring, even if established history is wrong on this point. Moreover, none of \nthe histories I've read ever made mention of Hitler or anyone else ever using \nhomosexuality as a pretext for purging Roehm. A point I saw reiterated was that\nHitler and the party covered up these accusations. If you are going to accuse\nofficial history of being a fabrication, you should at least get your facts\nright. The pretext for purging Roehm was that he was planning to use the SA in\na coup against Hitler. Nowhere is there mention of using allegations of\nhomosexuality as a pretext for the purge, nor as a justification afterwards (it\nis possible that the histories I've read have not mentioned this, but I doubt\nit - would it be in Hitler's best interest to admit to the world that his\nformer right hand man was a homosexual?). \n\nAnyway, as I said before, it is always possible that I have missed references \nto the Nazis making use of charges of homosexuality against the SA after the \nnight of the long knives - but this does not prove that they were false. Even \nthe Nazis could tell the truth when it was to their advantage. In any case, \nthis does not deal with accusations of homosexuality in the SA during the \n1920's.\n\n>Since the accusers thereafter controlled the records,\n>anything bearing on the subject -- true or not -- has to be considered\n>tainted evidence. \n\nAh, yes. I forgot this was being posted to alt.conspiracy. I can smell the\nparanoia from here. Since the Nazis never officially charged Roehm with \nhomosexuality (at least, not according to what I've read), I'd like to know \nwhat tainted \"evidence\" you are talking about. Since the accusations were made \nby persons outside of the Nazi party, long before it came to power, and those \naccusations were common knowledge to journalists and others in Germany in the \n1920's and 30's, just how would it be possible for the Nazis to go back in \ntime and plant \"tainted\" evidence? How exactly does one doctor newspapers \nwhich were circulated around the world, without the discrepancies being \nobvious? What actual incidences of Nazi doctoring evidence on this matter\ndo you know about? And what about the testimony of people who were involved in \nthese matters, some of whom were not Nazis? And what is the point of making a \nfalse accusation of homosexuality if you do not publicize it? Since the point \nhere seems to be to discredit established history, then the burden of proof \nfalls on the revisionist. The revisionists had better do their homework \nbefore making accusations. Otherwise they simply look like conspiracy nuts.\n\n>The available data suggest that Roehm and his crowd,\n>the SA -- Sturmabteilung, \"Storm Troopers\" -- left the world a better\n>place when they departed, \n\nThis is just about the *only* thing we agree on. \n\nI suspect that the notion that there might have been bad people - Roehm and \nhis SA buddies - who were homosexuals must disturb some people. The feeling\nseems to be that if a nasty individual is accused of homosexuality, that this\nmust be an attempt to bash homosexuals. This fear - often justified - is what\nlies behind this distrust of official history, or so it seems to me. But this\nis not a good justification for trashing accepted accounts of this subject. If \nyou really think that historians are so incompetent, why don't you write them \nand ask where they got their sources on this subject, if you can't tell from \ntheir footnotes? I'm a graduate student in history. Writing to professors and\ntracking down sources is old hat. But my time is limited and this is not my\nspecialty - and neither you nor anyone else have said anything that would\ncast one shred of doubt on existing evidence. I'm not going to waste my time\ntrying to debunk someone's paranoia. Do the research yourself.\n\n>but concrete particulars are still no more than\n>more or less shrewd guesses.  \n>-- Diccon Frankborn\n\nGiven that you already consider all evidence \"tainted\", what on earth would\nconstitute concrete particulars? And since when have concrete particulars been\nconsidered \"shrewd guesses\"?\n\nI suggest that those who do not trust popular historians (Irving et al) -\nhistorians writing for a popular audience do not, as a rule, provide copious \nfootnotes - should try instead reading academic historians, who usually \nprovide footnotes to all their sources in immmense detail. This is the place \nto start looking. Assuming that one really wants to know the truth.\n\nI'll bet the folks on alt.pagan are tired of this subject already. My\napologies - we seem to have gone off on a bit of a tangent. I forget which gods\nare responsible for keeping strings within appropriate newsgroup subject\nboundaries...\n                                                                       \n\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\nDavid Matthew Deane (deane@binah.cc.brandeis.edu)\n\"...Be in me as the eternal moods of the bleak wind...Let the Gods speak softly\nof us in days hereafter...\" (Ezra Pound)\n\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\n","2186":"Subject: Re: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650\nFrom: Bruce@hoult.actrix.gen.nz (Bruce Hoult)\nLines: 16\n\nZack T. Smith writes:\n> konpej@eua.ericsson.se (Per Ejeklint) writes:\n> \n> >Hm, maybe I'm missing something, but the Centris 650 has the '040 with FPU.\n> >At least the ones shipped here in Europe.\n> \n> You are indeed. The 4\/80 model (shipped here) definitely does not have the\n> FPU. I own one; I know.\n\n\nNo, he's not missing anything.  You're right that some models of the 650 ship in\nthe USA without FPU or Ethernet.  Per Ejeklint is also right -- *all*, I repeat,\n*ALL* Centris 650's sold here in New Zealand and, I assume, Europe have the FPU\nand Ethernet.\n\nI know.  I bought a 650 4\/80 and it has both FPU and Ethernet.\n","2187":"From: anwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed)\nSubject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity\nNntp-Posting-Host: gs135.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:\n>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents\n>of those files.\n>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:\n>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?\n\nADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including\nthe millions of Americans of Arab ancestry.  Perhaps you can answer\nthe question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members\nin California (and elsewhere??)?  Friendly rivalry perhaps?\n\nPerhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? \nOr a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations\/ethnic \nminorities\/occupations that the ADL spied on.\n\n>2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ?\n\nParanoia?\n\n>3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an\n>   additional information should he send them ?\n\nThe names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already \nhave them.\n\n>\n>\n>Gideon Ehrlich\n\n-anwar\n","2188":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Re: Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nLines: 460\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.010955.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu> kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:\n\n>> Too bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established \n>> a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two \n>> continents.\n\n>Before you go calling the kettle black, keep in mind that the \n>Turkish government was a strong supporter of Nazi Germany and\n>played a vital role in supplying it with oil until the Allies\n>invaded Iran.  Complaining about Armenian complicity with the\n>Nazis does little good when Turkey played a much bigger role.\n\nTell me, 'kmagnacca', were you high on 'Arromdian of ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF'\nwhen you wrote that? Humane behavior and tolerance of Turks was a\nlegend even 500 years ago when they accepted tens of thousands of \nJews from Spain who were fleeing from the Spanish Inquisition. Again, \nmany Jewish families escaping from Nazi Armenians and Hitler's Nazi \nGermany took refugee in Turkiye during the 1940's. Turkish people\nhave unselfishly given home, protection, and freedom to the Jews over \nthe centuries, including to thousands and thousands of them during \nthe Second World War. Get a life or a cup of Turkish coffee. \n\n\"History of the Jews in the Islamic Countries,\" chapters in Parts I and II,\nJarusalem, Zalman Shazar Center for Jewish History, 1986.   \n\nBaron, Salo W., \"A Social and Religious History of the Jews,\" New York,\nColumbia University Press, Vols. III, V, XVIII.\n\nBenardete, Mair Jose, \"Hispanic Culture and Character of the Sephardic\nJews,\" New York, Sepher-Hermon Press, 2nd corrected edition, 1982 (original\npublication 1953).\n\nLewis, Bernard, eds., \"Christians and Jews in the Ottoman Empire,\" New York,\nHolmes & Meier, 1982, Vol. I, The Central Lands.\n\n\"La Turquie dan les Archives des Grand Orient de France: les loges ...,\"\nin Jean-Louis Bacque-Graumont and Paul Dumont, eds., Economie et Societes\ndans L'Empire Ottoman, Paris, Centre National De La Reserche Scientifique,\n1983.\n\nInalcik, Halil, \"Turkish-Jewish Relations in the Ottoman Empire,\" 1982.\n\nSevilla-Sharon, Moshe, \"Turkiye Yahudileri, Tarihsel Bakis,\" Jerusalem, The\nHebrew University, 1982.\n\nSource: John Dewey: \"The New Republic,\" Vol. 40, Nov. 12, 1928, pp. 268-9.\n\n\"Happy the minority [Jews] which has had no Christian nation to protect it.\n And one recalls that the Jews took up their abode in 'fanatic' Turkey\n when they were expelled from Europe, especially Spain, by Saintly Christians,\n and they have lived here for centuries in at least as much tranquility and\n liberty as their fellow Turkish subjects, all being exposed alike to the\n rapacity of their common rulers. To one brought up, as most Americans have \n been, in the Gladstonian and foreign-missionary tradition, the condition of \n the Jews in Turkey is almost a mathematical demonstration that religious\n differences have had an influence in the tragedy of Turkey only as they\n were combined with aspirations for a political separation which every \n nation in the world would have treated as treasonable. One readily \n reaches the conclusion that the Jews in Turkey were fortunate...\" \n\nHe also stated that:\n\n\"they [Armenians] traitorously turned Turkish cities over to the Russian \n invader; that they boasted of having raised an army of one hundred and\n fifty thousand men to fight a civil war, and that they burned at least\n a hundred Turkish villages and exterminated their population.\"\n\n\n                TURKEY AND THE HOLOCAUST\n\nAn  interview  with  Stanford  J. Shaw  (History),  who  recently\ncompleted  two books:  The Jews  of  the Ottoman  Empire and  the\nTurkish Republic, and Turkey and  the Holocaust: Turkey's Role in\nRescuing  Turkish  and  European  Jewry  from  Nazi  Persecution,\n1933-45. Shaw  chairs the undergraduate  interdepartmental degree\nprogram in Near Eastern Studies and has organized the Program for\nthe Study of Ottoman and Turkish Jewry. He is affiliated with the\nG. E. von Grunebaum Center for Near Eastern Studies.\n\nEditor: How did  you come to write these two  books on Turkey and\nEuropean and Turkish Jews?\n\nShaw: Basically, I'm  an Ottoman historian, but  I'm also Jewish.\nI've  spent twenty-five  years studying  Ottoman history,  and as\ntime went along, whenever I  found materials on the Ottoman Jews,\nI collected  them. But  I never  did anything  with them  until a\ncouple of years  ago, when I suddenly realized that  1992 was the\n500th  anniversary of  the  Jews being  expelled  from Spain  and\ncoming  to Turkey.  Then the  Sephardic Temple  down on  Wilshire\nAvenue invited me  to give a series of three  lectures on Ottoman\nJewry.  These lectures  were  greatly appreciated,  and I  became\nmotivated to  undertake further research  to develop a  book, The\nJews of the  Ottoman Empire and the Turkish)  Republic. This book\nis quite different from the  works of most Jewish historians, who\ntend to look  at the Jews in any country  more from the viewpoint\nof the Jews  and the Jewish community, and rely  mainly on Jewish\nsources.  I  view my  subject  as  an  Ottoman historian,  and  I\napproach the Jews of the Ottoman Empire largely from the point of\nview of Ottoman  society, using largely Ottoman  sources. After I\nfinished  this book  and  sent it  to the  press,  I came  across\nadditional documents  relating to  Turkish Jews during  World War\nII. In the completed book, I had said that Turkey had done a good\ndeal  to rescue  the Jews  during  World War  II, but  I did  not\nactually have many details. Then I  found a batch of documents in\nthe Foreign Ministry archive relating to actions taken by Turkish\ndiplomats to  help the Jews  before and during the  Holocaust. It\nwas too late to add this new information to the book in press, so\nI decided to  write a second book. I  conducted further research,\nmainly in the archives of the  Foreign Ministry in Ankara and the\nTurkish Embassy and Consulate in Paris. The result was the second\nbook, Turkey and  the Holocaust, which details  how Turkey helped\nrescue Jews from the Nazis.\n\n- How exactly did they do this?\n\nThe story takes  place over a number of years.  The book presents\nthe material in three parts, first of which deals with the period\nbefore the Holocaust. When the Nazis  came to power in Germany in\n1933,  they immediately  started  dismissing  Jews and  anti-Nazi\nGermans from universities,  hospitals, scientific institutes, and\nthe like. Turkey at that moment was just beginning the process of\nreforming its  universities, and it  saw in these Jews,  who were\nbeing fired from their positions in Germany, a good source of new\ntalent to  help modernize the Turkish  universities. Within three\nmonths  after the  Nazis  started dismissing  these Jews,  Turkey\narranged to take many of them in. They were brought to Turkey and\nwere   given   appointments   as  professors   in   the   Turkish\nuniversities, as  heads of scientific institutes,  and as medical\npersonnel in hospitals. About 300  to 500 major Jewish professors\ncame to  Turkey in  the 1930s. Ernst  Reuter, a  German political\nscientist,  spent the  war  years teaching  political science  in\nTurkey. After  World War II,  he was  mayor of Berlin  during the\nBerlin Airlift.  Fritz Neimark, a major  German Jewish economist,\ncame to Turkey and helped  establish a modern school of economics\nin Istanbul.  A man named  Reichenbach, who was rescued  from the\nNazis by  Turkey and  spent the war  years in  Turkey, eventually\ncame to  UCLA, where he  became a professor of  philosophy. Other\nGerman Jewish  emigres engaged in cultural  activities in Turkey.\nOne  such was  Karl  Ebert,  who had  been  a leading  theatrical\nproducer in Berlin until he was expelled by the Nazis. He went to\nTurkey, where he  organized the Turkish National  Theater and the\nTurkish National Opera  Company in Ankara, with the  help of Paul\nHindemuth. So  the first  section of the  book covers  this first\nphase, when Jews were being  persecuted in Germany and rescued by\nTurkey.  Oddly enough,  the  German emigres,  when  they were  in\nTurkey, did not seem to think too badly of Germany. They regarded\nthemselves more  as Germans than Jews,  and they did not  join in\nthe anti-Nazi activities of the local Turkish Jewish community. I\neven  found  letters  from  the Nazi  representatives  to  Turkey\npraising these German Jewish refugees for their work in promoting\nthe idea  of German  culture. Even though  these people  had been\npersecuted by the Nazis and rescued by the Turks, they shared the\nNazis' feelings of  Aryan racial superiority over  the Turks. The\nsecond part of the book deals  with the Holocaust, which began in\n1940 when the Nazis occupied France.  In Europe at that time, and\nespecially in France, there were  about 20,000 Turkish Jews. They\nhad migrated to Europe for various reasons from about the turn of\nthe century onward. Most of them had settled in Europe during the\nTurkish war for  independence after World War I,  when Greece was\nthreatening to overrun Turkey. The Greeks had persecuted the Jews\nthroughout the nineteenth century, and the Jews feared what might\nhappen to them if the Greeks  took over in Turkey. Many Jews fled\nto France during  the 1920s and 1930s. Many  also abandoned their\nTurkish  citizenship and  became  French  citizens. Suddenly  the\nNazis invaded France in 1940 and started introducing all sorts of\nanti-Jewish laws.  The Turkish  Jews soon found  that it  was not\nworth very much to  be a French Jew, but that it  was worth a lot\nto be a Turkish Jew.\n\n- How so?\n\nTurkey remained neutral through most of World War II. It retained\nits embassies  and consulates in all  the Nazi-occupied countries\nuntil it finally entered the war on the side of the Allies at the\nend of 1944. During the war,  therefore, Turkey was in a position\nto  defend its  citizens  against anti-Jewish  measures, and  the\nactions that  Turkish diplomats took  form the second  chapter of\nthe  book. Turkish  diplomats  who were  stationed  in France  in\nparticular intervened to protect Jews of Turkish citizenship from\nthe Nazis. For those Turkish  Jews who had retained their Turkish\ncitizenship,  there  was  generally  no  problem.  If  they  were\narrested and sent to a  concentration camp, the Turkish diplomats\nwould  communicate with  the  commanders of  the  camp and  other\nofficials and say in effect:  \"These people are Turkish citizens.\nYou  can't do  this  to  them.\" And  the  Turkish  Jews would  be\nreleased.  If  their  businesses were  confiscated,  the  Turkish\ndiplomats would protest and the businesses would be restored.\n\nThe Nazis  in general  wanted to keep  the friendship  of Turkey.\nThey hoped to be able to use  Turkey as a gateway for an invasion\nof the Middle  East, and they also wanted to  obtain chromium and\nmanganese from Turkey. In order  to keep Turkish friendship, they\nusually accepted  these interventions on behalf  of Turkish Jews.\nThe Turkish  diplomats sometimes went to  the concentration camps\nto secure the release of Turkish Jews. At times they even boarded\ntrains hauling  Turkish Jews  to Auschwitz for  extermination and\nsucceeded in getting them off the train. Most of the foreign Jews\nwere sent  to a concentration  camp at  a place called  Drancy in\nParis,  and that's  where  most of  the  intercession by  Turkish\nconsuls took place.\n\nThe greater problem came with  the Turkish Jews who had abandoned\ntheir  Turkish citizenship  and had  become French  citizens. The\nconsuls couldn't declare that  these people were Turkish citizens\nbecause  they were  not.  My book  includes  photographs of  Jews\nlining  up in  front  of  the Turkish  consulate,  either to  get\npassports to  return to Turkey or  to get a restoration  of their\nTurkish  citizenship.   This  was   a  bureaucratic   matter,  so\nprocessing the application would take  some time. In the meantime\nit was a  real emergency, because the Nazis would  arrest Jews on\nthe streets for almost nothing.  The Nazis would even arrest them\nif they  had radios  or telephones  in their  apartments, because\nradios and  telephones were  forbidden to Jews.  To take  care of\nthese  former  Turkish Jews,  the  Turkish  diplomats invented  a\ndocument called  gayri muntazem  vatandash, or  \"irregular fellow\ncitizen.\" The  document said in  effect \"This person is  a former\nTurkish  citizen  who has  applied  for  the restoration  of  his\nTurkish citizenship.  In the meantime  we would appreciate  it if\nyou  would treat  him  as  if he  were  a  Turkish citizen.\"  The\ndiplomats wrote  the document in  Turkish and put their  seals on\nit. Since  the Nazis could  not read  Turkish, on the  whole they\naccepted  these papers  as certificates  of citizenship.  By this\nmeans, the  Turkish diplomats were  able to rescue many  Jews who\nhad relinquished their Turkish citizenship.\n\nActually the Nazis were of two minds about the Turkish defense of\nJews. On the one hand the  Nazi Foreign Ministry, which wanted to\nretain the friendship of Turkey,  was in favor of accepting these\ninterventions. On the other hand, Himmler and Eichmann wanted all\nJews exterminated.  At times  Himmler and  Eichmann were  able to\nprevail and some  of the Turkish Jews were sent  off to Auschwitz\nbefore the Turkish consuls could do anything.\n\n- Do you have statistics on how many Turkish Jews were rescued?\n\nThere were about  20,000 Turkish Jews in Europe  before world War\nII,  about 10,000  of whom  were living  in France.  Most of  the\ninformation in this section of  the book relates to the situation\nin France. I have published  the letters that the Turkish consuls\nsent to  the Nazi  officials and  the letters  that came  back in\nreply. Generally the Nazis said  that if the Turkish consul would\npresent  documents  certifying   that  arrested  individuals  are\nTurkish citizens,  and promise  to send them  out of  France, the\nNazis would release them from the concentration camp. The Turkish\nconsuls also organized  special trains to take  Turkish Jews from\nNazi-occupied  territory   back  to  Turkey.  These   trains  ran\nregularly in 1943 and 1944. The Nazis gave the Turkish Jews visas\nso they  could pass out  of Nazi  territory, but the  trains were\noften  held  up by  the  Nazi-influenced  governments of  Eastern\nEurope  -   Croatia,  Serbia,   and  Bulgaria  -   because  these\ngovernments really didn't want the Jews to escape. As a result of\nthe Turkish consuls' efforts, about 3,000 to 4,000 of the Turkish\nJews  in  France were  saved.  Another  3,000  were sent  off  to\nAuschwitz, where  most of them  died. The remaining  3,000 either\nescaped  across the  border into  Spain or  fled to  the area  of\nsouthern France occupied  by the Italians, who  treated Jews much\nbetter than  the Nazis did.  At the  end of 1943,  however, Italy\nfell out of the war, and that was the end for those Jews as well.\nIncidentally, the Turkish diplomats  in Nazi-occupied Greece also\nworked to rescue Jews in that country.\n\n- The second part of your  book then deals with Turkish diplomats\nacting to  rescue Jews of  Turkish citizenship or  Turkish origin\nfrom Nazi persecution.\n\nYes,  and  there  is  an  aside   I  might  add  here:  In  their\ninterventions on  behalf of Turkish  Jews, the Turks  cited their\ntreaty with Germany which stated  that Turkish citizens in German\nterritory would be treated the same as German citizens in Turkey.\nOn  that basis  the Turks  maintained  that the  Nazis could  not\ndiscriminate  against Turkish  citizens who  are Jews.  The Nazis\nclaimed  (and the  Vichy government  agreed) that  they were  not\ndiscriminating  because  they  were treating  all  Jews  equally.\nTurkey  protested,   saying,  \"You  are  dividing   our  citizens\naccording to religion, but the Turkish constitution requires that\nall  citizens   be  treated  equally,  regardless   of  religion.\nTherefore, you cannot single  out Turkish Jews.\" American consuls\nin  Paris,  by contrast,  accepted  the  Nazi argument  and  told\nAmerican Jews  who were being  persecuted by the Nazis  that they\ncouldn't do  anything about  it, because  the American  Jews were\nbeing treated the same as other  Jews. The third part of the book\ntakes place in Turkey, which  was the principal center during the\nHolocaust for activities aimed at  the rescue of Eastern European\nJews. The  kwish Agency, an  organization established by  Jews in\nPalestine to help resettle Jews to Palestine, set up an office in\nIstanbul  in 1940  under the  leadership of  Chaim Barlas.  Other\nJewish organizations in Palestine, especially the kibbutzes, also\nsent representatives  to Istanbul  to set up  headquarters. These\ngroups first tried to contact Jews  in Eastern Europe to find out\nwhat was  happening. Today  we know about  the Holocaust,  but at\nthat  time people  didn't know  what  was going  on. They  didn't\nimagine the Nazis could do the things they were doing. And so the\nfirst step was to get information, and the Turkish government let\nthem use the Turkish mails to send letters to their relatives and\nfriends  in Eastern  Europe. The  Jewish organizations  found out\nwhat was happening when they  received replies. Later on when the\nNazis  began  to  intercept   such  letters,  the  Jews  received\nassistance  also from  the  Vatican nuncio,  Angelo Roncali,  who\nserved as  the Vatican  representative in  Istanbul from  1935 to\n1944  and   later  became  Pope   John  XXIII.  As   the  Vatican\nrepresentative  during the  war, he  used the  facilities of  the\nCatholic  Church to  supplement what  the Turkish  government was\ndoing to  assist Jewish  agencies in  contacting Jews  in Eastern\nEurope.  With the  cooperation of  the Turkish  government, these\nagencies  then  sent  hard  currency, food,  clothing,  and  even\nrailroad  and  steamship  tickets   to  Jews  in  Czechoslovakia,\nBulgaria, Romania, and Hungary. They weren't able to help much in\nPoland because  by then the  Nazis had  wiped out almost  all the\nPolish Jews.  Whenever possible the rescue  agencies arranged for\nthe Jews to get out of Eastern Europe either by train through the\nso called  Orient Express route  to Istanbul, or by  boat through\nthe Black Sea to Istanbul.\n\nTurkey was not eager for all  these refugees to remain within its\nborders during  the war, because  it was being blockaded  and was\nsuffering   terrible  shortages   of  food   and  clothing.   The\ngovernment,   therefore,   facilitated   the  movement   of   the\nnon-Turkish Jewish  refugees from Turkey to  Palestine, either by\nthe Taurus  Express Railroad through  the mountains to  Syria and\nPalestine,  or by  small boats  across the  eastern Mediterranean\nfrom southern  Turkey to  Palestine. These efforts  were bitterly\nopposed not only  by the Nazis, but also by  the British, who did\nnot want  any more Jewish  immigration to Palestine  because they\nfeared it would hurt their  relations with the Arabs. The British\nconstantly pressured the Turkish  government to stop this traffic\nand send those Jews back. In  a few cases the Turkish government,\nyielding  to  British pressure,  did  send  the boats  back.  For\nexample, in  one incident,  the steamship  Struma, with  some 700\nJewish  refugees  from Romania,  was  sent  back by  the  Turkish\ngovernment  as  a  result  of the  intervention  of  the  British\nambassador. When  that ship was  sunk by a Soviet  submarine, all\nwere lost except one person.  Nevertheless, all told, the Turkish\ngovernment allowed no fewer than 100,000 Eastern European Jews to\npass through  Turkish territory and  move on to  Palestine during\nthe Second World War. The Turkish authorities also provided these\nrefugees with facilities  and money, and gave  them permission to\nsend money and food out of the country.\n\n- Many  of these  Jews who  passed  through Turkey  may still  be\nliving in Israel.\n\nYes, and  their children. But  let's return  for a moment  to the\nfirst group, the Turkish Jews who  came from Europe. They did not\ngo  on  to   Palestine;  they  stayed  in  Turkey.   It  was  the\nnon-Turkish, Eastern  European Jews who passed  through Turkey en\nroute to Palestine. Their story is very interesting.\n\n- And you have rescued it from obscurity.\n\nMany studies have been made of the Holocaust, but most of them do\nnot focus on the Eastern European or Middle Eastern Jews. Most of\nthe scholarship  has centered  on the  Western European  Jews, of\nwhom 6 million were massacred by the Nazis. My study deals with a\nmuch smaller  number of  people. I  have tried  to round  out the\npicture,  and I  hope my  book  will persuade  other scholars  to\nundertake further investigations in the history of Eastern Jews.\n\nWhen it  comes to numbers,  the German Jews were  also relatively\nsmall in number. Most of the millions slain were Polish Jews. The\nrescue  of  100,000  Eastern  European   Jews  may  not  seem  so\nsignificant  compared  with  the  total of  6  million  who  were\nmurdered, but it meant a lot to those who were saved.\n\nAbout  three-fourths   of  the  book  consists   of  documents  -\ntranslations  of many  documents. They  are included  because the\nstory is not well known. Not  only are people in the West unaware\nof  the courageous  actions of  the Turkish  diplomats; even  the\npeople of Turkey  did not know the story. I  felt that they would\nnot  fully understand  this  remarkable  achievement unless  they\ncould see the documents.\n\n- What languages are used in the documents?\n\nMost of them are in Turkish  or French; some are in Hebrew. There\nis a great  deal of material in Hebrew about  the organization of\nthe boats  going to Palestine, the  passengers, and so on,  but I\ndid not go into those details extensively. I describe mostly what\nTurkey did, so  most of my documents are in  Turkish or French. A\nfew documents are  in English. The Jewish groups  in Istanbul did\nnot necessarily  cooperate with  one another  to rescue  Jews; in\nfact, they often fought with  one another. They took turns trying\nto  get  the  Turkish  government to  deport  rival  groups.  For\nexample, some of  the kibbutz groups felt that  the Jewish Agency\nwas  run by  Western European  Jews who  were interested  only in\nhelping  Western  European  Jews.  Finally,  in  1944,  President\nRoosevelt sent a personal  representative, Ira Hirschman, who had\nbeen an executive of Bloomingdale's  department store in New York\nCity, and  Hirschman managed to reconcile  their differences. The\ndocuments related to his mission are in English.\n\nI also obtained many documents  from Serge Klarsfeld, a Holocaust\nhistorian in France,  who mainly worked on the  French Jews. (His\nfather was  killed by  the Nazis.)  He gave  me materials  he had\ngathered in the German archives on  the Turkish Jews, so I didn't\npersonally consult the German archives.  I believe that much more\ncan  be learned  from the  German  archives, and  I hope  someone\nsomeday will make the effort.\n\n- This new book fits in well with your teaching, doesn't it?\n\nRight. I'm  giving a  course on  the history of  the Jews  of the\nOttoman  Empire.  I first  gave  the  course  two years  ago.  In\naddition to  research, writing, and teaching,  I've been actively\ninvolved in  the commemoration  of the  500th anniversary  of the\ncoming of the  Jews to the Ottoman Empire. Among  other things, I\nhelped organize  a large international conference  on the subject\nwhich was held in Istanbul in 1992.\n\n- Now that your  books are finished and the  conference has taken\nplace, what do you plan to do next?\n\nI'm working on two new books. One is a history of the Turkish War\nfor Independence, which took place  after World War I, during the\nyears  1918 to  1923. The  Turks warded  off the  efforts of  the\nvictorious  European   powers  to  occupy  Turkey   and  end  its\nindependence. The  second book is  a study of Sultan  Abdul Hamid\nII, the last major sultan, who ruled from 1876 to 1909. He was an\nimportant modernizer in his own  way, although he also suppressed\nall sorts of political movements.\n\nStanford  J. Shaw  received  a B.A.  in History  and  an M.A.  in\nBritish History. He then shifted to Near Eastern History, earning\na second M.A.  and a Ph.D. at Princeton. As  a doctoral candidate\nat Princeton, he  spent two years abroad, studying  at the School\nof  Oriental  and  African  Studies, University  of  London;  the\nUniversity of  Cairo, the American  University at Cairo,  and the\nUniversity of  Istanbul. He  taught at  Harvard before  coming to\nUCLA in 1966. His postdoctoral research has been supported by the\nJohn Simon Guggenheim Foundation, the American Research Institute\nin  Turkey, the  Social  Science Research  Council, the  National\nEndowment for the Humanities, the Fulbright Program, and ISOP. He\nhas  received  honorary  degrees   from  Harvard  University  and\nBosporus University, Bebek, Istanbul, Turkey, and medals of honor\nfor lifetime contributions  to the fields of  Islamic and Turkish\nstudies from the Center for Research in Islamic History, Art, and\nCulture in  Istanbul and from  the American Friends of  Turkey in\nWashington,  D.C. In  addition to  undertaking many  professional\nservice activities and public lectures  in both the United States\nand Turkey,  Shaw has  also produced eight  books and  one edited\nvolume. His  History of  the Ottoman Empire  and Modem  Turkey (2\nvols.)  has been  published  in many  editions  (six editions  or\nreprints  from 1977-1991),  and  translated  into Turkish  (1983,\n1991) and French (1984). His book  The Jews of the Ottoman Empire\nand  the  Turkish  Republic  (MacMillan,  London,  and  New  York\nUniversity Press, 1992) will  be published in Turkish translation\nby the Turkish  Historical Society, Istanbul. His  Turkey and the\nHolocaust: Turkey's  Role in Rescuing Turkish  and European Jewry\nfrom Nazi  Persecution, 1933-1945 will be  published by Macmillan\nPublishers,  London, and  New York  University Press  in 1993.  A\npamphlet summarizing the book was published in Ankara, Turkey, in\n1992.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n","2189":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: \"liver\" spots\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.162502.29802@news.eng.convex.com> cash@convex.com (Peter Cash) writes:\n>What causes those little brown spots on older people's hands? Are they\n>called \"liver spots\" because they're sort of liver-colored, or do they\n>indicate some actual liver dysfunction?\n\nSenile keratoses.  Have nothing to do with the liver.\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2190":"From: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler)\nSubject: Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns?\nOrganization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group\nLines: 25\n\n\/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns \/ steiner@jupiter.ca.boeing.com \/ 12:07 am  Apr 15, 1993 \/\n>douglas craig holland (holland@CS.ColoState.EDU) writes:\n>[...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...]\n>\n>> What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic \n>> bullets. Would those work very well in stopping an attack?\n>\n>last i heard, \"non-lethal\" was a bit of a misnomer for these things.\n\nAlso, you need to consider our legal system.  Since any of these things\nCAN be lethal, you are going to have a hard time explaining why you applied \nlethal force when you DIDN'T think it was necessary.  (If you thought lethal\nforce was necessary, you wouldn't be using rubber bullets, would you?) Ouch.  \nIf you are justified in shooting them at all, you are justified in using \nthe best self defense ammunition you can get your hands on.  It might actually\nIMPROVE the legal outcome.\n\nThis is why hollow points hold up in court.  They are safer for you, safer\nfor innocent by standers, (don't as a rule go through the perp) and actually\nsafer for the perp.  If you are using military hard ball, you may have to \nshoot him 'MANY' times, where one or two hollow points might stop him and \ndo the job.  As a rule, the fewer wound channels, the better the chance \nfor his surviving the incident.\n\nRick\n","2191":"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan)\nSubject: Re: Bible Unsuitable for New Christians\nOrganization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI\nLines: 19\n\nnews@cbnewsk.att.com writes:\n\n>True.\n\n>Also read 2 Peter 3:16\n\n>Peter warns that the scriptures are often hard to understand by those who\n>are not learned on the subject.\n\nWhere do insparations\/Miracles fit in?  I was a new reader to the bible\nand Qu'ran at the same time in my life and I can tell you that I would \nhave drifted in my faith if Those books were not exposed to me.\n\n\n\n>Joe Moore\n--\nMohammad R. Khan                \/    khan0095@nova.gmi.edu\nAfter July '93, please send mail to  mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu\n","2192":"From: pmy@vivaldi.acc.virginia.edu (Pete Yadlowsky)\nSubject: Re: Who's next?  Mormons and Jews?\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 19\n\nCOCHRANE,JAMES SHAPLEIGH writes\n\n>it wouldn't be the first time a group has committed suicide to avoid the \n>shame of capture and persecution.\n\nThis group killed itself to fulfill its interpretation of prophecy\nand to book a suite in Paradise, taking innocent kids along for the\nride. I hardly think the feds were motivated by persecution. If they\nwere, all Koresh would have had to do was surrender quietly to the\nauthorities, without firing a shot, to get the American people behind\nhim and put the feds in the hot seat. But no, God told him to play\nthe tough guy. There's great strength in yielding, but few appreciate\nthis. \n\n--\nPeter M. Yadlowsky              |  Wake! The sky is light!\nAcademic Computing Center       | Let us to the Net again...\nUniversity of Virginia          |    Companion keyboard.\npmy@Virginia.EDU                |                      - after Basho\n","2193":"From: eldar@fraser.sfu.ca (Danny Eldar)\nSubject: Need help !!\nKeywords: Firewall gateway model, Kerberos\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 14\n\nI am currently writing a paper on computer protocols security. I would \nappreciate your help.  I currently have no insight into these topics except\nthat they relate to security in multilevel security network.  Please semd me\nany references, books, FAQs or contact persons names and Internet addresses.\nThe topics I am interested in:\n1.  The \"firewall gateway model\" as implemented in Internet gateways.\n2.  Kerberos Authentication Service\n\nPlease send me a private e-mail at eldar@sfu.ca and\/or post it on the board.\n\nThanks a lot,\n\n      Danny \n\n","2194":"From: hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky)\nSubject: Re: Final Solution in Palestine ?\nIn-Reply-To: ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU's message of Sun, 25 Apr 93 17:10:03 GMT\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Brown University\n\t<1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>\nLines: 81\n\nIn article <1993Apr25.171003.10694@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu> ahmeda@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (Ahmed Abu-Abed) writes:\n\n   In article <HM.93Apr24133027@angell.cs.brown.edu>, hm@cs.brown.edu (Harry Mamaysky) writes:\n   |> In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n   |> \n   |>    Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?\n   |>    ------------------------------------\n   |> \n   |>    While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they\n   |>    repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and\n   |>    attempt to starve the Gazans.\n   |> \n   |>    [...]\n   |> \n   |> The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto were fighting to keep themselves and\n   |> their families from being sent to Nazi gas chambers. Groups like Hamas\n   |> and the Islamic Jihad fight with the expressed purpose of driving all\n   |> Jews into the sea. Perhaps, we should persuade Jewish people to help\n      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n   |> these wnderful \"freedom fighters\" attain this ultimate goal.\n   |> \n   |> Maybe the \"freedom fighters\" will choose to spare the co-operative Jews.\n   |> Is that what you are counting on, Elias - the pity of murderers.\n   |> \n   |> You say your mother was Jewish. How ashamed she must be of her son. I\n   |> am sorry, Mrs. Davidsson.\n   |> \n   |> Harry.\n\n   O.K., its my turn:\n\n\t  DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA ?!\n\n   I am sick and tired of this 'DRIVING THE JEWS INTO THE SEA' sentance attributed\n   to Islamic movements and the PLO; it simply can't be proven as part of their\n   plan !\n\n   (Pro Israeli activists repeat it like parrots without checking its authenticity\n   since it was coined by Bnai Brith)\n\n   What Hamas and Islamic Jihad believe in, as far as I can get from the Arab media,\n   is an Islamic state that protects the rights of all its inhabitants under Koranic\n   Law. This would be a reversal of the 1948 situation in which the Jews in\n   Palestine took control of the land and its (mostly Muslim) inhabitants.\n\n   However, whoever committed crimes against humanity (torture, blowing up their\n   homes, murders,...) must be treated and tried as a war criminal. The political\n   thought of these movements shows that a freedom of choice will be given to the\n   Jews in living under the new law or leaving to the destintion of their choice.\n\n   As for the PLO, I am at a loss to explain what is going inside Arafat's mind.\n\n   Although their political thinking seems far fetched with Israel acting as a true\n   super-power in the region, the Islamic movements are using the same weapon the\n   Jews used to establish their state : Religion.\n\n\n   Ahmed.\n\nForget the syntax, Ahmed, and focus on the semnatics. The fact is that\nthe PLO does not recognize Israel's right to exist. This is perfectly\nobvious from the PLO covenant (Cairo, 1968). The covenant calls for\nthe destruction of the \"Zionist entity\". As far as I know the\nIsrael-destruction clauses still exist in the document which specifies\nthe purpose for the existence of the PLO. If you would like, I can\npost the relevant caluses.\n\nNow the Hamas ideal is far more radical, it seems. I know it has been\nposted here several times, and while I do not have a copy of it, I am\nsure that someone does and he (or she, of course) would be more than\nhappy to repost it.\n\nRegardless of phrasing, groups like Hamas, and the Hezbollah, and\neven the newly moderate and politically-correct PLO, have at the very\nheart of their ideologies the need for the destrcution of Israel.\n\nIt just seems to me that Mr. Davidsson's suggestion that Jews support\npeople envolved in these organizations is not a particularly appealing\none to many Jews.\n\nHarry.\n","2195":"From: MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Unorganized Usenet Postings UnInc.\nLines: 24\nIn-Reply-To: frank@D012S658.uucp's message of 15 Apr 1993 23:15:09 GMT\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24\n\nIn <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp writes:\n\n(Attempting to define 'objective morality'):\n\n> I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable.  I base\n> this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly\n> of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition),\n> almost all would want to complain.\n\n      So long as you keep that \"almost\" in there, freedom will be a\nmostly valuable thing, to most people. That is, I think you're really\nsaying, \"a real big lot of people agree freedom is subjectively valuable\nto them\". That's good, and a quite nice starting point for a moral\nsystem, but it's NOT UNIVERSAL, and thus not \"objective\".\n\n> Therefore I take it that to assert or\n> believe that \"Freedom is not very valuable\", when almost everyone can see\n> that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert \"it is not raining\" on\n> a rainy day.\n\n      It isn't in Sahara.\n\n-- \n  Disclaimer?   \"It's great to be young and insane!\"\n","2196":"From: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nSubject: Re: Go Hezbollah!!\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nLines: 50\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.125813.21737@ncsu.edu> hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem) writes:\n>\n>Lebanese resistance forces detonated a bomb under an Israeli occupation\n>patrol in Lebanese territory two days ago. Three soldiers were killed and\n>two wounded. In \"retaliation\", Israeli and Israeli-backed forces wounded\n>8 civilians by bombarding several Lebanese villages. Ironically, the Israeli\n>government justifies its occupation in Lebanon by claiming that it is \n>necessary to prevent such bombardments of Israeli villages!!\n>\n>Congratulations to the brave men of the Lebanese resistance! With every\n>Israeli son that you place in the grave you are underlining the moral\n>bankruptcy of Israel's occupation and drawing attention to the Israeli\n>government's policy of reckless disregard for civilian life.\n>\n>Brad Hernlem (hernlem@chess.ncsu.EDU)\n\n\nAhhh, of course. Israeli morality pales in the face of charming events \nlike the string of PLO-run skyjackings in the mid 80's (remember those \nTWA jokes?), and not to forget the Achille Lauro and however many airline\nbombings they have committed, not to mention bombings on the streets of \nIsrael (It's gotten to a point where children are told not to go near any\nbags or containers whose origins they don't know, because they could be \nbombs), or last weeks Katyusha rocket attack on Northern Israel by Fatah,\nthose wonderful \"mainstream moderates\" with whom Israel is attempting\nto negotiate.\n\nLet's not forget the fact that more Palestinians are killed by Palestinians\nthan by Israelis.  Ahh yes, those charming humanitarian death squads.\nI've actually seen a videotape of an interrogation (DSee the documentary \n_Deadly Currents_--very neutral and balanced--seriously)--It was rather \ninquisition-esque. essentially, to prove his loyalty to \"the cause\" of\nwhichever group it was that was interogating him, he had to turn in someone\nelse, or else face death in one of the many fun-filled ways that the death-\nsquads love so much--beatings, dismemberment, acid, pouring melted plastic\non the face of the 'guilty party,' and of course beheading, always my \nfavorite.  Did you catch the photos in the Washington Post a while back \nthe execution of a \"collaborator?\"  3 photos:\n1) one Palestinian leading another at gunpoint.\n2) The \"collaborator\" on his knees, the gun pointed at his temple.\n3) The executioner standing on the corpse of the \"collaborator\nshouting about how this is what happens to collaborators.\n\nWonderful justice system, and lots of regard for Human rights.\nRemember Black September?\nOk, so they just tried to take over Jordan, big deal.\n\nI'm rambling now, but are you getting what I'm saying?\n\nAmir\n","2197":"From: chrisb@tafe.sa.edu.au (Chris BELL)\nSubject: Re: Don't more innocents die without the death penalty?\nOrganization: South Australian Regional Academic and Research Network\nLines: 19\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: baarnie.tafe.sa.edu.au\n\n\"James F. Tims\" <p00168@psilink.com> writes:\n\n>By maintaining classes D and E, even in prison, it seems as if we \n>place more innocent people at a higher risk of an unjust death than \n>we would if the state executed classes D and E with an occasional error.\n\nI would rather be at a higher risk of being killed than actually killed by\n                              ^^^^                      ^^^^^^^^\nmistake.  Though I do agree with the concept that the type D and E murderers\nare a massive waste of space and resources I don't agree with the concept:\n\n\tkilling is wrong\n\tif you kill we will punish you\n\tour punishment will be to kill you.\n\nSeems to be lacking in consistency.\n\n--\n\"I know\" is nothing more than \"I believe\" with pretentions.\n","2198":"From: dleonard@wixer.cactus.org (Dale Leonard)\nSubject: Re: wise to remove fan in Classic?\nOrganization: Real\/Time Communications\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <hansg.733929100@risken> hansg@risken.vd.volvo.se (Hans Granqvist) writes:\n>Is it wise to even think about removing the annoying fan from my\n>Classic? I have no warranty to void.\n>\n>And where do I get a screwdriver to fit in those funny screws?\n>--\n>Hans Granqvist, Volvo Data Corp., Gothenburg, Sweden  ---  my opinions only\n>\"To every complex problem there exists an easy solution that's not correct.\"\n\nThe screws are Torx screws and the tool isn't to hard to find. It's a\nmatter of finding one with a long enough shaft to do the trick. \n \nNo it is not a good idea to take that fan out.  Why because it will\ncause stuff to over heat.  Internal hard drives, motherboard...You name\nit and this can cause damage.  I've known people to have hard drive\nfailures because of fans that didn't work right....\n\n-- \n| Dale Leonard             | Judy's Stamps (Misc. topical stamps. From Dogs..|\n| dleonard@wixer.cactus.org| to cats to baseball and many many other subjects|\n| Austin, Tx 78727         | For stamp information call Tony Leonard at......|\n| (512)834-8770 (my number)| (512) 837-0022 This is a business only number!!!| \n","2199":"From: isc10144@nusunix1.nus.sg (CHAN NICODEMUS)\nSubject: Greek Wordprocessor\/Database.\nOrganization: National University of Singapore\nLines: 25\n\nHi there,\n\n\tDoes anyone know about any greek database\/word processor that\ncan do things like count occurrences of a word, letter et al?\n\n\tI'm posting this up for a friend who studies greek.\n\nThanks,\n\nNico.\n\nP.S.\tCan you email as I seldom look into usenet nowadays.\n--\n+--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+\n|  NICODEMUS CHAN,\t               | Raffles Hall, NUS, Kent Ridge Cres. |\n|  Department of Information Systems   | Singapore 0511. (Tel : 02-7797751)  |\n|              & Computer Science,     | [Hometown Address]:                 |\n|  National University of Singapore.   | 134, Nanyang Estate, Jinjang North  |\n|  Kent Ridge Crescent,                | 52000, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia       |\n|  SINGAPORE 0511                      | E-Mail : isc10144@nusunix.nus.sg    |\n|                                      |          channico@iscs.nus.sg       |\n+--------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+\n                                                                              \n   \"Call unto me and I will answer you and show thee great and unsearchable   \n                    things you do not know.\"  Jeremiah 33:3                   \n","2200":"From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox)\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\nOrganization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute\nLines: 90\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu\n\nIn <93104.173826U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:\n[deleted]\n[]       And as far as fully-automatic weapons, you can be a lot better\n[]armed if you want to hit what you aim at.\n[]\n>What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of\n>proportion.  In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car\n>cruising around the city vs. gang members.  Of course the police have access\n>to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the\n>time?  Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make.  Every\n>day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in.  The majority that I\n>see are still carrying revolvers.  Not that there is anything wrong with a\n>revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a couple\n>of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a\n>disadvantage even with training.  I have been at a shooting range where gang\n>gang members were \"practicing\" shooting.  They were actually practicing\n>taking out their guns as quick as possible and shooting at the target\n>and they weren't doing too badly either.   The University cops here (who are\n>are state cops) are armed better than the Chicago police.  It seems most\n>state cops are.\n\nDefine \"armed better\". Go shoot a revolver and a semi-auto like the\nColt .45. Does one fires faster than the other? Nope. Aside from which\nfaster rate of fire is usually not desirable. Sure it makes the other\nguys duck for cover, but just *YOU* trying hitting anything with a Thompson\nin hose-mode. This is why the military is limiting it's M-16 now to\n3-round burst-fire. Simple semi-auto would be better, but the troops\nlike to be able to rock and roll even if it is wasteful of ammo (something\noften in short supply when the enemy is plentiful).\n\nA revolver is equally capable as a semi-auto in the same caliber.\n\n- A revolver also has the advantage that if it misfires you just pull\n  the trigger again.\n- A double-action revolver (almost all of them) can be hand-cocked first,\n  but will fire merely by pulling the trigger.\n- A misfire in a revolver merely means you must pull the trigger again\n  to rotate to the next round.\n- A revolver can be carried with the 6th chamber empty and under the\n  hammer for maximum safety, but still can be drawn and fired with an\n  easy motion, even one handed.\n- Speedloaders for a revolver allow reloads almost as fast as magazines\n  on semi-autos. Can be faster depending on users.\n\n- A misfire in a semi-auto will require you to clear a jammed shell\n  first, time spent which can be fatal. And a vital second or so is often\n  lost as you realize \"hey, it's jammed!\" before starting to do anything\n  about clearing it.\n- Most semi-autos must have the slide worked to chamber the first round\n  and cock the hammer. Some police carry their semi-autos with the \n  chamber loaded and hammer cocked, but a safety engaged. I do not consider\n  this safe however. You must trade-off safety to get the same speed\n  of employment as a revolver.\n- There are some double-action semi-autos out there, but the complexity of\n  operation of many of them requires more training.\n\nSome police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly\nswitching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having\naccidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks\nrequire rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex\nas the timer on a VCR.\n\nAnyone who goes anyone saying that the criminals obviously outgun\nthe police don't know nothing about firearms. Turn off COPS and Hunter\nand pay attention. I do not seek here to say \"semi-autos are junk\"\nmerely that assuming they are better for all jobs is stupid. A cop\nwith a revolver on his hip and a shotgun in the rack is more than\nequipped for anything short of a riot.\n\nGun control is hitting what you aim at. If you whip out a \nwonder-nine and fire real fast you may find you don't hit anything.\nGood controlled fire from a revolver is more likely to get you a hit.\nI own a 9mm Beretta myself but consider it inferior as a carry weapon\nto something like the Ruger Security Six revolver. If I haven't hit\nwhat I'm aiming at in the first 5 shots, something is quite seriously\nwrong somewheres. While I might like having the backup capacity of those\nextra shots in certain cases, overwhelmingly the # of shots fired in\ncriminal encounters is less than 5.\n\nWhat do crooks overwhelmingly use in crime? Why the same nice simple\n.38 revolvers that the police often use. Well actually some police \nprefer the much heftier .357 Magnum, but anyway.....\n\nObPlea: Don't flame me, I prefer semi-autos for most things. But they \n        introduce unneccessary complications to something as nerve-wracking\n        as an abrupt encounter with a lone criminal.\n\n-- \n\"If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect.\"\n\t-BATF spokesperson on CNN 3\/2\/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.\n","2201":"From: adykes@jpradley.jpr.com (Al Dykes)\nSubject: help: How to reduce the RPMs of a Boxer fan ?\nOrganization: Unix in NYC\nDistribution: na\nLines: 16\n\n\nI need to reduce the speed of a Boxer fan by about 30-50%. I recall\nreading somewhere that the right capacitor in series will do it.\n\nIf this isn't a case of brain fade, can someone suggest the cap value ?\n\nThe specifics; It's a real Boxer Fan (tm). The label says 115 V, .2 amps.\n\nAl Dykes\n--------\nadykes@jpr.com\n\n\n\n\n\n","2202":"From: adler@netcom.com (Bruce Adler)\nSubject: Re: IBM-PC XT switch settings\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1qk158$kcp@bigbird.hri.com> obrien@bigbird.hri.com writes:\n>I just got an IBM-PC XT with no documents. Its a true\n>IBM, and I was wondering if anyone had the definitions\n>of the 2 8 position dip switches? \n\nSW8,SW7\tnumber of 5.25\" drives\n0,0\t1 drive\n0,1\t2 drives\n1,0\t3 drives\n1,1\t4 drives\n\nSW6,SW5\ttype of display\n0,0\treserved\n0,1\t40x25 color (mono mode)\n1,0\t80x25 color (mono mode)\n1,1\tmono 80x25\n\nSW4,SW3\tamount of memory on system board\n\t64k chips\t256k chips\n0,0\t64k\t\t256k\n0,1\t128k\t\t512k\n1,0\t192k\t\t576k\n1,1\t256k\t\t640k\n\nSW2\tco-processor installed\nSW1\tloop on POST\n","2203":"From: smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin)\nSubject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nLines: 66\n\nIn article <C5sy1z.4tD@demon.co.uk>, Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:\n> In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com> smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:\n> :Thousands?  Tens of thousands?  Do some arithmetic, please...  Skipjack\n> :has 2^80 possible keys.\n> \n> We don't yet know if all 80 bits count.\n\nThat doesn't worry me at all; they're not going to cheat at something\nthey can get caught at.  And key size is one of the things that can be\nverified externally.  Feed lots of random key\/input pairs into the\nchip, then try flipping random key bits, and see what happens to the\noutput.  We already know what *should* happen -- about half the output\nbits should vary, on average, from a 1-bit key change or input change.\n\nIf they were out to build a weak cryptosystem, it might be the case that\nsome of the bits are much less powerful than others, in the sense that\nthey only enter into the encryption very late in the game.  By contrast,\nDES was designed to use each key bit as early as possible; the 50% output\nchange rate appears as early as round 5.  Again, though, I don't think\nNSA is going to cheat that crudely; they're likely to get caught.\n\nRemember that they've promised to let a committee of outside experts see\nthe cryptosystem design.  If you assume something DES-like, a biased\nsubkey generation schedule will stick out like a sore thumb.  The committee\ncan and should run lots of tests, and retain the output.  This can be verified\nlater against the chip.  And yes, the civilian community has at least some\nsecure storage facilities that I don't think even NSA can get into without\nit being noticed, until Fort Meade gets its transporter working again.\n(Oops -- I don't think I was supposed to talk about that...)  The committee\nmembers can even retain secure copies of the code -- in two halves, which\nyou have to XOR together to recover the program...\n\nSeriously, there are, I think, problems with this whole scheme.  But the\npeople who invented it aren't stupid, and they've been in the crypto game\nand the smoke-and-mirrors game far longer than most of us.  They're not\ngoing to lie in ways that can be detected easily, since their credibility\nis the *only* thing they can use to sell this system.  If they've lied\nabout the civilian committee, no one will believe them about the absence\nof other back doors.  If they've lied about the key size, no one will\nbelieve that they haven't copied the programming disk with the U keys.\nIf they've lied about obvious aspects of the strength of the cryptosystem,\nno one will believe the escrow agencies aren't in cahoots with them.\n\nThat isn't to say that they aren't lying about all those other things\nanyway.  And I'm certainly not claiming that NSA can't build a cryptosystem\nwith a back door that the committee can't find -- look how long it took\nfor folks to believe that the S-boxes weren't sabotaged.  It's entirely\npossible that the committee will release an ambiguous report, for just\nsuch reasons.  But that's a subtle point (i.e., one you can't explain to\na Senator...).\n\n> Anyway, its looking like the\n> keys and escrow arrangements are smoke and mirrors to cover the way the NSA\n> can regenerate the key from the transmitted serial number.\n\nI don't like the unit key generation process any better than you do.\nHowever -- S1 and S2 are supposed to be under control of the same\nescrow agents.  If they can't be trusted to keep the seed values secure,\nthey can't be trusted to keep the half-keys secure.\n\nI still don't know if or when S1 and S2 change.  I thought I had seen\nsomething about them being constant, but I just reread Denning's technical\ninformation post, and it doesn't say anything, one way or the other.\n\n\n\t\t--Steve Bellovin\n","2204":"From: jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff)\nSubject: Re: New Home for the Bosox!!!\nOrganization: Skidmore College, Saratoga Springs NY\nLines: 19\n\n\n> I agree, though I'd also be happy with a stadium that looks\n> like new Comiskey. The new park was also made for baseball.\n> Unlike Three Rivers, the Vet, Riverfront, etc., it's not a\n> football park in which they also play baseball.\n \nWhile we're on the multipurpose subject, let's not forget Shea, which\nwas designed to accommodate both the Mets & Jets.  It was the first\nstadium (I think) to have the box seats on rollers so they could be\noriented at right angles for baseball & in parallel for football.\n\nOf course, with the Jets gone to Jersey (and a truly good football\nstadium), the Mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where,\nbecause it's circular, the seats are almost always too far from the\naction.  The Mets announcers--Kiner & Murphy in particular--have\nalways hyped it as \"beautiful Shea\nStadium,\" a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is.\n\nJay \n","2205":"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at...\nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <C5JCrF.KrM@news.udel.edu> philly@ravel.udel.edu (Robert C Hite) writes:\n>\n>DEAD WRONG!  Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the\n>Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in\n>baseball at 8-1\n\nLook, asshole, I got him confused with somebody else.  I didn't flame\nyou, and I would appreciate it if you extended me the same courtesy.\n\nNo, I don't know everything in the world.  Does that surprise you?\n\n-Valentine\n","2206":"From: dave.mikelson@almac.co.uk (Dave Mikelson) \nSubject: Re: PCX\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Almac BBS Ltd. +44 (0)324 665371\nReply-To: dave.mikelson@almac.co.uk (Dave Mikelson) \nLines: 22\n\nTo: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca\n\nJW> 1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how\nJW> to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files?\n\nJW> 2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board\nJW> so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256\nJW> 800x600x256\n\nJW> 3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question?\n\nHere are some that I have that are very good:\n\n  Graphics File Formats, Kay and Levine, ISBN 0-8306-3059-7\n  Supercharged Bitmapped Graphics, Rimmer, ISBN 0-8306-3788-5\n  Programmer's Guide to the EGA and VGA Cards, Ferraro,\n     ISBN 0-201-57025-4 (has a whole chapter on Paradise SVGA)\n\nDave\n---\n . DeLuxe.\/386 1.12 #8993 . \n                                                                                       \n","2207":"From: jplee@cymbal.calpoly.edu (JASON LEE)\nSubject: Re: Surgery for Hal Morris\nOrganization: California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo\nLines: 17\n\nAnd then cjkuo@symantec.com (Jimmy Kuo) quoth:\n>Does it strike anyone else how silly it is to impose a 3 game suspension on \n>Morris?\n>\n>\"Let's see...  I expect to be back June 15th.  How many games do we play \n>before June 15th?  Take me off the DL 3 games before June 15th.\"\n>\n>It would be a lot more meaningful if the suspension went into effect some \n>number of games after he came back.\n\nWell, either way, the Reds have to play a man down for 3 days.\n\n-- \nJason Lee   jplee@oboe.calpoly.edu   jlee@cash.busfac.calpoly.edu    Giants\ne ^ i*pi + 1 = 0    The most beautiful equation in mathematics.      Magic\nFor all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these:          Number:\n     \"It might have been.\"            John Greenleaf Whittier        153\n","2208":"From: watson@madvax.uwa.oz.au (David Watson)\nSubject: Re: Sphere from 4 points?\nOrganization: Maths Dept UWA\nLines: 23\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: xanthorrhoea.maths.uwa.edu.au\n\nIn article <1qkgbuINNs9n@shelley.u.washington.edu>, \nbolson@carson.u.washington.edu (Edward Bolson) writes:\n \n|> Given 4 points (non coplanar), how does one find the sphere, that is,\n|> center and radius, exactly fitting those points?  \n\nFinding the circumcenter of a tetrahedron is discussed on page 33 in\n\nCONTOURING: A guide to the analysis and display of spatial data,\nby Dave Watson, Pergamon Press,  1992, ISBN 0 08 040286 0, 321p.\n\nEach pair of tetrahedral vertices define a plane which is a \nperpendicular bisector of the line between that pair.  Express each\nplane in the form Ax + By + Cz = D\nand solve the set of simultaneous equations from any three of those\nplanes that have a vertex in common (all vertices are used).  \nThe solution is the circumcenter.\n\n-- \nDave Watson                          Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au\nDepartment of Mathematics            \nThe University of Western Australia               Tel: (61 9) 380 3359\nNedlands, WA 6009  Australia.                     FAX: (61 9) 380 1028\n","2209":"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nIn article <1r46j3INN14j@mojo.eng.umd.edu> sysmgr@king.eng.umd.edu writes:\n>In article <STEINLY.93Apr20160116@topaz.ucsc.edu>, steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:\n|\n|>Very cost effective if you use the right accounting method :-)\n|\n>Sherzer Methodology!!!!!!\n\nLet it never be said that an opportunity was missed to put someone down.\n\n\n","2210":"From: wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada\nLines: 44\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.194316.25522@ohsu.edu> tong@ohsu.edu (Gong Tong) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr16.155123.447@cunews.carleton.ca> wcsbeau@alfred.carleton.ca (OPIRG) writes:\n>>\n>>For cites on MSG, look up almost anything by John W. Olney, a\n>>toxicologist who has studied the effects of MSG on the brain and on\n>>development.  It is undisputed in the literature that MSG is an\n>>excitotoxic food additive, and that its major constituent, glutamate\n>>is essentially the premierie neurotransmitter in the mammalian brain\n>>(humans included).  Too much in the diet, and the system gets thrown\n>>off.  Glutamate and aspartate, also an excitotoxin are necessary in\n>>small amounts, and are freely available in many foods, but the amounts\n>>added by industry are far above the amounts that would normally be\n>>encountered in a ny single food.  By eating lots of junk food,\n>>packaged soups, and diet soft drinks, it is possible to jack your\n>>blood levels so high, that anyone with a sensitivity to these\n>>compounds will suffer numerous *real* physi9logical effects. \n>>Read Olney's review paper in Prog. Brain Res, 1988, and check *his*\n>>sources. They are impecable. There is no dispute.\n>>\n>>                    --Dianne Murray    wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca\n>\n>In order to excitotoxin effects of MSG, MSG that in blood must go through \n>blood-brain barrier that I am not sure MSG can go through or not.\n\nElevated levels of Glu and Asp in the blood are able to bypass the\nBlood-brain barrier through the circumventricular organs (or CVO), in\nparticular the adeno and neurohypophysis (pituitary gland) areas.  The\narcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus, and the median eminence regions\nare particularly effected.  CVO areas are not subject to the\nblood-brain barrier. These areas control the release of gonadotropin,\nwhich controls the release and flux of steroids governing development,\nespecially sexual development. Changes in adult rats, which are less\nsensitive to Glu than humans, have been observed: after ingesting Glu,\non a chronic basis, cycles of several steroids are disrupted. Blood\nlevels of somatostatin are significantly reduced, and cyclic release\nof steroids becomes flattened.\n\n                    Hope this helps.\n                    --Dianne Murray: wcsbeau@ccs.carleton.ca\n\n\n\n","2211":"From: jaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Joseph Askew)\nSubject: Re: the call to space (was Re: Clueless Szaboisms )\nOrganization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1pfiuh$64e@access.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:\n\n>If the japanese are really going for Nukes, why not go with better\n>technology then we have.  AS opposed to BWR\/PWRs  have they really\n>considered some of the 3rd generation Inherently safe designs.\n\nThe Japanese are still on the learning curve as far as nuclear power goes.\nThis means that unlike the Germans (who do great things all by themselves)\nthe Japanese tie up with foreign companies. The major one is Mitsubishi\n(who else) who have a sharing agreement with GE I think. No chance of a\nnew design.\n\n>Sodium has lots of chemical problems but it really solves design\n>difficulties.  Or the inherently safe types.\n\nSodium has *lots* of chemical problems. Like it eats stainless steel. Very\nslowly but it gets there in the end. Not what I call a desired property.\nAs for design difficulties, what does sodium do there? It is a bitch and\nit is only its chemical properties (flwed though they are) that means it\ngets used. Two loops? That's not a design problem? Isolation from air and\nwater? That doesn't cause design problems? In comparison BWR's a dream rides!\n\n>PWR's work real good,  but they need lots of steel,  and they are highly\n>complex systems.  Simplicity is a virtue.\n\nDon't get none of that in a Liquid Sodium Breeder! More steel, more complexity.\n\nJoseph Askew\n\n-- \nJoseph Askew, Gauche and Proud  In the autumn stillness, see the Pleiades,\njaskew@spam.maths.adelaide.edu  Remote in thorny deserts, fell the grief.\nDisclaimer? Sue, see if I care  North of our tents, the sky must end somwhere,\nActually, I rather like Brenda  Beyond the pale, the River murmurs on.\n","2212":"From: cathy@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Cathy Smith)\nSubject: Re: UPI News Release\nNntp-Posting-Host: blanca.lance.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO  80523\nLines: 12\n\n\nCathy Smith posting for L. Neil Smith\n\nDear Bill -- \n\nVery, VERY good -- you made my whole day with this post. Thanks\na lot.\n\nL. Neil Smith\n\nMy opinions are, of course, my own.\n\n","2213":"From: d88-jwa@hemul.nada.kth.se (Jon Wtte)\nSubject: Re: Increasing the number of Serial ports\nOrganization: Royal Institute of Technology, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 29\nNntp-Posting-Host: hemul.nada.kth.se\n\nIn <1993Apr18.134943.16479@bmers95.bnr.ca> slang@bnr.ca (Steven Langlois) writes:\n\n>If such a device exists, are there are any limits to the number of\n>serial devices I can use?\n\nHow many NuBus slots do you have?\n\nApplied Engineering has something called the QuadraLink, which is\na card with 4 serial ports that you get at through the comms\ntoolbox (in addition to the built-in ones) It also comes with\nsoftware for fooling applications to open an AE port when they\nthink they open a built-in port.\n\nThey also have a more expensive card with DMA (better performance)\nand I _think_ they, or someone else, have a card that handles\n8 ports simultaneously.\n\nAs I said, with NuBus, you're green. Learn how to use the Comms\nResource Manager to get at the various installed cards.\n\nCheers,\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\/ h+\n \n-- \n -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --\n  \"You NEVER hide the menu bar. You might go about and change the color\n  of it to the color of the BACKGROUND, but you never HIDE the menu bar.\"\n                      -- Tog\n","2214":"From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: Quake Public Access, San Fernando Valley, CA (818)362-6092\nLines: 92\n\nHave you ever met a chemist?  A food industry businessman?  You must\npersonally know a lot of them for you to be able to be so certain that they\nare evil mosters whose only goal is to inflict as much pain and disease\nas possible into the general public.  Gimme a break.\n \nIn article <1993Apr15.215826.3401@rtsg.mot.com> lundby@rtsg.mot.com (Walter F. L\nundby) writes:\n>\n>>>Is there such a thing as MSG (monosodium glutamate) sensitivity?\n>>>Superstition. Anybody here have experience to the contrary?\n\n person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are\n>too, I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE FOOD INDUSTRY WANTS TO PUT MSG IN FOOD!!!\n \nBecause it makes the food TASTE BETTER!  Why does it put salt in food?\nSame reason.\n\n>I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!\n\nObviously.\n \n>Somebody in the industry GIVE ME SOME REASONS WHY!\n\n>IS IT AN INDUSTRIAL BYPRODUCT THAT NEEDS GETTING GET RID OF?\n \nOf course not!  (Although I would think that a person like you would be a\nbig fan of such recycling if that were the case).\n\n>IS IT TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT THE RECIPES ARE NOT VERY GOOD OR THE \n>FOOD IS POOR QUALITY?\n \nOn occasion that's probably the case, but in general the idea is that MSG\nimproves the flavor of certain foods.\n \n>DO SOME OF YOU GET A SADISTIC PLEASURE OUT OF MAKING SOME OF US SICK?\n \nNo.\n \n>DO THE TASTE TESTERS HAVE SOME DEFECT IN THEIR FLAVOR SENSORS (MOUTH etc...)\n>  THAT MSG CORRECTS?\n \nNo.\n \n>I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!\n \nObviously.\n \n>ALSO ... Nitrosiamines (sp)\n \nAs I recall, these are natural by-products of heating up certain foods.\nThey don't \"put it in there\".\n \n \nhave a number of criteria in choosing how to process food.  They want to\nmake it taste good, look good, sell for a good price, etc.  The fact that they\nuse it tells me that THEY think that it contributes to those goals they are\ninterested in.  One of those goals is NOT \"making people sick\".  Such a goal\nwoud quickly drive them out of business and for no benefit.\n \n>I think\n>1) outlaw the use of these substances without warning labels as\n>large as those on cig. packages.\n \nWarning of what?  In California there is a law requiring that ANYTHING which\ncontains a carcinogen be labeled.  That includes every gasline pump, most\nfoods, and even money cleaning machines (because Nickel is a mild carcinogen).\nThe result is that now nobody pays any attention to ANY of the warnings.\n \n>2) Require 30% of comparable products on the market to be free of these\n>substances and state that they are free of MSG, DYES, NITROSIAMINES and\n>SULFITES on the package.\n \nWhy?  What if not 30% of people wanted to buy this ugly, rotten, not-as-tasty\nfood?  I guess it will just be wasted, huh?  How terribly efficient.\n \n>3) While at it outlaw yellow dye #5.  For that matter why dye food?\n \nBecause it makes food look better.  I LIKE food that looks good.\nIf vitamin companies want to do that it is fine, but who are you to\ntell THEM how to make vitamins?  Who are you to tell ME whether I should\nbuy flavored vitamins for my kids (who can't swallow the conventional ones\nwhole).\n \n>KEEP FOOD FOOD!  QUIT PUTTING IN JUNK!\n \nHow do you define \"junk\"?  Is putting \"salt\" in food bad?  What about\nPepper?  What about alcohol as a preservative?  What about sealing jars\nwith wax?  What about vinegar?  You seem to think that \"chemicals\" are\nsomehow different than \"food\".  The fact is that all foods are 100% chemicals.\nYou are just expressing an irrational prejudice against food processing.\n \n--Brian\n","2215":"From: moffatt@bnr.ca (John Thomson)\nSubject: Re: What is Zero dB????\nNntp-Posting-Host: bcarhdd\nOrganization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 47\n\nJoseph Chiu (josephc@cco.caltech.edu) wrote:\n: sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:\n: \n: >Similarly, people usually use dB for dBm. Another common mistake is spelling\n: >``db'' instead of ``dB'' as you did in your article. See the ``B'' is for \n: >``Bell'' company, the mother of AT&T and should be capitalized.\n: \n: Thus, a deciBell (deci-, l., tenth of + Bell) is a fractional part of the \n: original Bell.  For example, SouthWestern Bell is a deciBell.\n\nOut of what hat did you pull this one?  dB is a ratio not an RBOC!        \n\n: And the measure of current, Amp, is actually named after both the AMP company\n: and the Amphenol company.  Both companies revolutionized electronics by\n: simulatenously realizing that the performance of connectors and sockets \n: were affected by the amount of current running through the wires.\n\nSorry.  The unit for current is the AMPERE which is the name of a french-man\nnamed AMPERE who studied electrical current.  The term AMP is just an abbreviation\nof it.  The company AMP came after the AMPERE unit was already in use.\n  \n: The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus\n: our use of the Ohms...\n\nI don't know about this one, but it doesn't sound right.\n  \n: \n: Alexander Graham Bell, actually, is where Bell came from...  \nWell you got one thing right!\n: \n: \n: \n: Actually, Bel refers\n: \n: >                          With highest regards,\n: >                               Babak   Sehari.\n: \n: >-- \n: -- \n: Joseph Chiu        | josephc@cco.caltech.edu  \"OS\/2: You gotta get this thing!\" \n: MSC 380 - Caltech  | \n: Pasadena, CA 91126 |   OS\/2: The operating system of tomorrow, today.\n: +1 818 449 5457    |   \n\nGreg Moffatt\nBell-Northern Research Inc., Ottawa Canada\n\"My opinions; not BNR's\"\n","2216":"From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)\nSubject: Re: neck reining -was- Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: Microbial Pathogenesis and Motorcycle Maintenance\nLines: 25\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: microb0.biostat.washington.edu\n\nIn article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>\n egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:\n\n>Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and\n>neck-rein.  Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and\n>you pull in the direction you wish to go.  Neck-reining steers a horse\n>by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the\n>horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a\n>plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins\n>under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein\n>pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit\n>(which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days).\n\nI learned when riding bareback as a kid to \"palm-reign\", by just \npushing on the right side of the horse's neck with your right palm to turn \nleft - a lot like countersteering. So that came pretty easy to me in the \ntransition to motorcycles. It took a while however to break my habit of \nkicking the rear fender with my heels to go faster.\n\nSteve\n__________________________________________________________________________\nSteve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu\nMicrobiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820\nUniversity of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297\nSeattle, WA 98195\n","2217":"From: Peter Hansen <pgmoffc@BNR.ca>\nSubject: Re: Help: 2 internal HDs in Mac II?\nX-Xxdate: Tue, 6 Apr 93 11:17:54 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: bcarm382\nOrganization: BNR\nX-Useragent: Nuntius v1.1.1d17\nLines: 54\n\nIn article <1993Apr1.054820.3942@siemens.co.at> Kurt Netzer,\nkurt@siemens.co.at writes:\n>Is it possible to install a 2nd 3 1\/2\" 100 MB HD in a Mac II with a\n>5 1\/4\" 40 MB Qunatum HD?\n>Can i us a 50 pin cable with 3 connectors for the internal motherboard\n>SCSI-Connector and the 2 SCSI-HD Connectors. The first HD is'nt\nterminated\n>the second will be.\n>Whats about the power supply. Where can i connect a 3 1\/2\" AMP-Connector\n>to supply my 3 1\/2\" HD?\n\nIt is very possible to connect another internal hard disk in any\nmacintosh if you can find the space to put it. I have a IIsi that came\nwith a Quantum 80 meg drive. When I ran into space problems, I slapped in\nanother 40 meg quantum that I had sitting on a shelf. Here is what I did.\n \nFirst off, I was concerned about space. Since both drives are Quantum\nquarter height drives, I finally decided that the logical place for them\nwas stacked one upon the other. Fine, they fit snugly. (I have not had a\nproblem with heat yet, and these drives have been running together for\nover two months.\n\nThe next problem was connecting the drive. If you have a spare internal\nhard disk power cable as I did, then half of your troubles are over. just\nsplice in the extra cable so that you get one square motherboard\nconnector and two hard disk power connectors. If you don't have a spare\ncable, you will have to buy the wires and connectors which can be found\nin any good electronics store for about $10. I would suggest properly\nsoldering\/heatshrinking the connections to reduce the possibility of\nshorts or bad connections.\n\nNext, you need a ribbon cable connection. Again, I had a spare hard disk\nribbon cable, and I wanted to be careful in case this didn't word so what\nI did was purchase a crimp on 50 pin cable connector that gave me another\nmale connector in the middle of my spare cable. The part cost $10 again,\nand is easily attached with any good wood vice. The theory behind using a\ncrimp on connector is that if this doesn't work, my original cable is not\ndamaged, and I can go back to the original setup.\n\nHaving done all that, I couldn't be bothered to check the dev notes for\npower consumption so I plugged it in and it works like a charm to this\nday. \n\nIn a mac II, everything should work the same. Be careful with the ID's of\nthe drive, and ensure that the terminating resistors on both drives are\nintact. I did not try this without the terminating resistors but it\nseemed logical that if I am splitting the SCSI chain, that the signal\nshould be terminated at all the ends.\n\nLet me know if you have any more questions.\n\nPeter Hansen\nBell Northern Research\npgmoffc@BNR.ca\n","2218":"From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)\nSubject: Re: Moonbase race, NASA resources, why?\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications USA\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n\nHenry,\n\ndidn't the Little Joe  and Big Joe  get built in under a year?\n6 months for little Joe,  and 12 Months for Big Joe?\n\ni thought i saw something on that for  a old mercury film.\n\npat\n","2219":"From: marka@hcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com (Mark Ashley)\nSubject: Re: hearing sinners\nOrganization: Ft. Lauderdale, FL\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <Apr.21.03.24.19.1993.1271@geneva.rutgers.edu> JEK@cu.nih.gov writes:\n>On the question, \"Does God hear the prayers of sinners?\" we need to\n>distinguish.\n>If we say that He never hears the prayers of any who have sinned, we\n>make pointless all prayers by anyone born less than 19 centuries\n>ago.\n>But if we consider the prayers of the impenitent sinner, of someone\n>who says, \"Lord, I want you to do this for me, but don't expect me\n>to change my way of life,\" that is a different matter. \n\nI have no doubt that God hears everybody's prayers.\nHowever, He does things His way, i.e. things will happen\nonly if it is His will.\n\nNow if the question really is \"Does God grant everybody's wishes ?\"\nthen you'll get a brutal shot of reality similar to when you didn't\nget that toy you wanted for Christmas. You just cannot expect\nto get everything you want in this world.\n\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------\nMark Ashley                        |DISCLAIMER: My opinions. Not Harris'\nmarka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com      |\nThe Lost Los Angelino              |\n","2220":"From: mjuric@aisun1.ai.uga.edu (Mark Juric [MSAI])\nSubject: Printer security\nKeywords: printers, security\n  \n   We are being attacked by midnight, phantom printer users, who rack up 100s\n   If there are any utilities that allow multiple passwords for access to the\nNntp-Posting-Host: aisun1.ai.uga.edu\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 8\n\n\n@===@                                                                     @===@\n ###  Mark Juric                               A.I. Programs               ###\n ###  mjuric@ai.uga.edu                    University of Georgia           ###\n ###                                       Athens, Georgia 30602           ###\n@===@                                                                     @===@\n\n\n","2221":"From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn)\nSubject: Re: YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL!!!\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nIn article <93108.155839PTS102@psuvm.psu.edu> <PTS102@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:\n[Pitt vs. Penn State controversy deleted]\n>\n>Bringing this back to alt.atheism relevance:  So the guy says we're going to\n>Hell.  That isn't sufficient cause to bitch to the system operator.  At worst,\n>it's bad etiquette.  (Unless you really believe that someone is using his\n>account without his knowledge\/permission, which is actually against the law.)\n>-----\n>Patrick Saxton          \"Pitt is a second-rate school in a second-rate city.\"\n>pts102@PSUVM.psu.edu                                         - anon\n>pts@ecl.psu.edu         ob.atheism:  \"In Batman we Trust\"\n>\n\nNo.  It wouldn't be sufficient cause to bitch to the system operator if this\nwas just some guy saying that atheists are going to hell.  The point was \nthat recently many messages were posted from that address.  Each of these\nmessages was posted to a different newsgroup, with the apparent intent of\nprovoking the readers of that particular group.  This, along with the fact\nthat these posts were written in all-caps, makes these posts suspect.\nWhoever is using this account is using it irresponsibly.  If it is the\nintended user, they should consider appropriate action.  If it is someone\nelse-- which seems a possibility, then this is also reason to report it.\n\tWe get many posts in the flavor of the one that started this thread.\nIt is only because I have seen posts on other groups by this user that I\nam considering action.\n\nBrendan\n\n","2222":"From: noye@midway.uchicago.edu (vera shanti noyes)\nSubject: Re: Easter: what's in a name? (was Re: New Testament Double Standard?\nReply-To: noye@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.33.25.1993.14413@athos.rutgers.edu> jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas) writes:\n>seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna (S.M.) Watson) writes:\n>\n>> In Quebec French, the word for the celebration of the resurrection is\n>> \"Pa^ques\"--this is etymologically related to Pesach (Passover) and the\n>> pascal lamb.  So is the French Canadian (mostly Roman Catholic) celebration\n>> better because it uses the right name?\n>\n>I was at my parents' Seder and noticed the labelling on one of the \n>packages was English, Hebrew and French.  In the phrase \"kosher for \n>passover\" the French word used was \"Pa^ques.\"   We've deliberately \n>mistranslated this at the Kulikauskas home and keep referring to foods \n>being kosher for Easter. :-)\n\nhowever, the word \"pa^ques\" in french _is_ the word for easter.  ask\nany francophone, whether from quebec or from paris.  besides, haven't\nyou heard of the phrase \"the paschal lamb\" (meaning jesus)?\n\nsorry to nitpick on the more trivial part of this thread....\n\n:) vera\n*******************************************************************************\nI am your CLOCK!     |  I bind unto myself today    | Vera Noyes\nI am your religion!  |  the strong name of the\t    | noye@midway.uchicago.edu\nI own you!\t     |  Trinity....\t\t    | no disclaimer -- what\n\t- Lard\t     |\t- St. Patrick's Breastplate | is there to disclaim?\n","2223":"From: halsall@murray.fordham.edu (Paul Halsall)\nSubject: Catholic Liturgy\nReply-To: halsall@murray.fordham.edu\nOrganization: J. Random Misconfigured Site\nLines: 60\n\n\n\tThe problems with Catholic liturgy are likely to continue for\nsome time.  The problem is, in a nutshell, this: the Liturgy is a\nsymbolic action - in other words Catholics do [or should] believe that\nthe _signs_ during the mass - Water, Blessings, Vestments, Altar,\nRelics, etc - are real. That is the sprinkling of water bestows real,\nalmost tangible, holiness, the Vestments are a real indication of real\nsacred time. The point of a _symbol_ is that it is understood by all\nto be connected to an underlying REAL referent. This kind of thinking\nprecludes analysis; holy water is not holy because of anything, it\nsimply IS holy.\n\nBut, modern westerners find it extremely difficult, especially if\nwell- educated, to think of the mass as a symbol. We are more likely\nto see it as a _sign_, ie an action that represents grace, but which\ncould be replaced with other signs. In concrete terms, this means the\nmass has become a commercial for God's grace rather than the real\nthing. You can mess around with a commercial in a way you wouldn't\ndare with the real thing [ask Coca-Cola Co.!]. These attitudes have\nbeen encouraged by Liturgy workshops, etc. which instead of focusing\non _how_ to do do liturgy, have focused on how to create a meaning in\nliturgy. You can only create signs, symbols have to come from God [or\nthe heart, or somewhere deeper than analysis. The most dramatic\nexample of this shift in understanding has been in the treatment of\nthe sacred species [the consecrated host and wine]. Now, with pita\nbread etc, it is common to come away from the altar with hands covered\nin particles. If the Host is a sign of Grace, this isnt and issue; but\nCatholics in the past would have been distraught at this real\ndesacration of the real symbol of Jesus' body.\n\nModern Catholic liturgy  is caught in this epistemological shift. We\ntry to perfrom the old rites, but then we have some liturgomaniac\npriest get up and 'explain' what we are doing - so we stop doing it and\nstart pretending to do it. This is not a soul filling experience.\nIt doesn't help BTW that we have got stuck witha huge amount of two and\nthree chord ersatz-folk music [again a result of mis-analysis: complicated\ntunes are in fact easier to remember than simple ones - this was the\ngenius of Wesley and the 19C Anglican hymn writers]. Taize' is only\nslightly better.\n\nWhat are we to do? Well I suggest rejecting the parish system if it\ndoesn't work for you. Search out a Church where the liturgy is well\nprepared not well-explained. They exist in every city. This is not BTW\na matter of particular style: the music might be old or new. It is\nthe attitude of the church that counts. Also, note that a conservative\nliturgy - harking back to pre-Vatican II days, does not necessarily mean\nthe Church will be socially conservative.\n\nIn NYC I can recommend:\n\tCorpus Christi - W 12st St.\n\tCorpus Christi - W 12st St. - very conservative liturgy, \n\tSt. Joseph's, Greenwich Village.  - Modern, \"clean\", largely gay\n\tOratorian Church, Brooklyn - Very beautiful\n\nAvoid, anywhere, anytime a church with electric candles.\n\nHappy Easter: Christos Aneste', Christos Voskrezhne, Christ is Risen\n\nPaul Halsall\nHalsall@murray.fordham.edu\n","2224":"From: schnitzi@osceola.cs.ucf.edu (Mark Schnitzius)\nSubject: Re: Atheists and Hell\nOrganization: University of Central Florida\nLines: 33\n\natterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez) writes:\n\n>1) Atheists believe that when they die, they die forever.\n\n>2) A god who would condemn those who fail to believe in him to eternal death\n>   is unfair.\n\n>  I don't see what the problem is!  To Christians, Hell is, by definition, \n>eternal death--exactly what atheists are expecting when they die.  \n\nWell, I think that most Christians believe that your conciousness will\nsomehow continue on after your 'physical' death, which contradicts what\nmost atheists (myself included) believe, namely that your conciousness,\nbeing contained in your brain, dies when your brain dies.\n\n>There's no\n>reason Hell has to be especially awful--to most people, eternal death is bad\n>enough.\n\nI fear the pain that often comes with the process of dying, but since I\nwon't be around to worry about it, I don't fear eternal death.\n\n>  Literal interpreters of the Bible will have a problem with this view, since\n>the Bible talks about the fires of Hell and such.  \n\nThis is something I've always found confusing.  If all your nerve endings\ndie with your physical body, why would flame hurt you?  How can one \"wail\nand gnash teeth\" with no lungs and no teeth?\n\n\nMark Schnitzius\nschnitzi@eola.cs.ucf.edu\nUniversity of Central Florida\n","2225":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: \"Cruel\" (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 26\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nlivesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n\n>>This whole thread started because of a discussion about whether\n>>or not the death penalty constituted cruel punishment, which is forbidden\n>>by the US Constitution.\n>Yes, but they didn't say what they meant by \"cruel\", which is why\n>a) you have the Supreme Court, and b) it makes no sense to refer\n>to the Constitution, which is quite silent on the meaning of the\n>word \"cruel\".\n\nThey spent quite a bit of time on the wording of the Constitution.  They\npicked words whose meanings implied the intent.  We have already looked\nin the dictionary to define the word.  Isn't this sufficient?\n\n>>Oh, but we were discussing the death penalty (and that discussion\n>>resulted from the one about murder which resulted from an intial\n>>discussion about objective morality--so this is already three times\n>>removed from the morality discussion).\n>Actually, we were discussing the mening of the word \"cruel\" and\n>the US Constitution says nothing about that.\n\nBut we were discussing it in relation to the death penalty.  And, the\nConstitution need not define each of the words within.  Anyone who doesn't\nknow what cruel is can look in the dictionary (and we did).\n\nkeith\n","2226":"From: gwalker@rtfm.mlb.fl.us (Grayson Walker)\nSubject: Re: Changing oil by self.\nKeywords: oily to bed \nOrganization: A.S.I., Merritt Island, Florida \nDistribution: usa\nLines: 9\n\nAh, yes, the big chunks down in the sump. The solution is simple. Sort of\nlike the advice my Aunt always gave -- never scratch your ear with anything\nexcept your elbow.\n\nIf you have pieces of ring, con rods, valve heads or stems, just reach into\nthe sump through the hole in the block that was associated with the creation\nof those large bits and pieces. Anything you can't remove with one hand \nthrough the hole in the block may safely be left in place.\n\n","2227":"From: nstramer@supergas.dazixco.ingr.com (Naftaly Stramer)\nSubject: THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH\nNntp-Posting-Host: supergas\nReply-To: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Electronics\nLines: 104\n\n\n                     THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH\n \n     (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training\nvideotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military\narm of Hamas, an Islamic Palestinian group. Hamas figures\nsignificantly in the Middle East equation. In December, Israel\ndeported more than 400 Palestinians to Lebanon in response to\nHamas's kidnapping and execution of an Israeli soldier. A longer\nversion appears in the May issue of Harper's Magazine, which\nobtained and translated the tape.)\n \n     My name is Yasir Hammad al-Hassan Ali. I live in Nuseirat [a\nrefugee camp in the Gaza Strip]. I was born in 1964. I finished\nhigh school, then attended Gaza Polytechnic. Later, I went to work\nfor Islamic University in Gaza as a clerk. I'm married and I have\ntwo daughters.\n     The Qassam Battalions are the only group in Palestine\nexplicitly dedicated to jihad [holy war]. Our primary concern is\nPalestinians who collaborate with the enemy. Many young men and\nwomen have fallen prey to the cunning traps laid by the [Israeli]\nSecurity Services.\n     Since our enemies are trying to obliterate our nation,\ncooperation with them is clearly a terrible crime. Our most\nimportant objective must be to put an end to the plague of\ncollaboration. To do so, we abduct collaborators, intimidate and\ninterrogate them in order to uncover other collaborators and expose\nthe methods that the enemy uses to lure Palestinians into\ncollaboration in the first place. In addition to that, naturally,\nwe confront the problem of collaborators by executing them.\n     We don't execute every collaborator. After all, about 70\npercent of them are innocent victims, tricked or black-mailed into\ntheir misdeeds. The decision whether to execute a collaborator is\nbased on the seriousness of his crimes. If, like many\ncollaborators, he has been recruited as an agent of the Israeli\nBorder Guard then it is imperative that he be executed at once.\nHe's as dangerous as an Israeli soldier, so we treat him like an\nIsraeli soldier.\n     There's another group of collaborators who perform an even\nmore loathsome role -- the ones who help the enemy trap young men\nand women in blackmail schemes that force them to become\ncollaborators. I regard the \"isqat\" [the process by which a\nPalestinians is blackmailed into collaboration] of single person as\ngreater crime than the killing of a demonstrator. If someone is\nguilty of causing repeated cases of isqat, than it is our religious\nduty to execute him.\n     A third group of collaborators is responsible for the\ndistribution of narcotics. They work on direct orders from the\nSecurity Services to distribute drugs as widely as possible. Their\nvictims become addicted and soon find it unbearable to quit and\nimpossible to afford more. They collaborate in order to get the\ndrugs they crave. The dealers must also be executed.\n     In the battalions, we have developed a very careful method of\nuncovering collaborators, We can't afford to abduct an innocent\nperson, because once we seize a person his reputation is tarnished\nforever. We will abduct and interrogate a collaborator only after\nevidence of his guilt has been established -- never before. If\nafter interrogation the collaborator is found guilty beyond any\ndoubt, then he is executed.\n     In many cases, we don't have to make our evidence against\ncollaborators public, because everyone knows that they're guilty.\nBut when the public isn't aware that a certain individual is a\ncollaborator, and we accuse him, people are bound to ask for\nevidence. Many people will proclaim his innocence, so there must be\nirrefutable proof before he is executed. This proof is usually\nobtained in the form of a confession.\n     At first, every collaborator denies his crimes. So we start\noff by showing the collaborator the testimony against him. We tell\nhim that he still has a chance to serve his people, even in the\nlast moment of his life, by confessing and giving us the\ninformation we need.\n     We say that we know his repentance in sincere and that he has\nbeen a victim. That kind of talk is convincing. Most of them\nconfess after that. Others hold out; in those cases, we apply\npressure, both psychological and physical. Then the holdouts\nconfess as well.\n     Only one collaborator has ever been executed without an\ninterrogation. In that case, the collaborator had been seen working\nfor the Border Guard since before the intifada, and he himself\nconfessed his involvement to a friend, who disclosed the\ninformation to us. In addition, three members of his network of\ncollaborators told us that he had caused their isqat. With this\nmuch evidence, there was no need to interrogate him. But we are\nvery careful to avoid wrongful executions. In every case, our\nprincipal is the same: the accused should be interrogated until he\nhimself confesses his crimes. \n     A few weeks ago, we sat down and complied a list of\ncollaborators to decide whether there were any who could be\nexecuted without interrogation. An although we had hundreds of\nnames, still, because of our fear of God and of hell, we could not\nmark any of these men, except for the one I just mentioned, for\nexecution.\n     When we execute a collaborator in public, we use a gun. But\nafter we abduct and interrogate a collaborator, we can't shoot him\n-- to do so might give away our locations. That's why collaborators\nare strangled. Sometimes we ask the collaborator, \"What do you\nthink? How should we execute you?\" One collaborator told us,\n\"Strangle me.\" He hated the sight of blood.\n\n-----\nNaftaly Stramer \t\t\t | Intergraph Electronics\nInternet: nstramer@dazixco.ingr.com      | 6101 Lookout Road, Suite A    \nVoice: (303)581-2370  FAX: (303)581-9972 | Boulder, CO 80301\n\"Quality is everybody's job, and it's everybody's job to watch all that they can.\"\n","2228":"From: long@spk.hp.com (Jerry Long)\nSubject: Re: Principle_of_the_Breathalyzer\nArticle-I.D.: spk.C52I89.GEq\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Hewlett-Packard\nLines: 31\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\n\nwilliam burchill (williamb@ee.ubc.ca) wrote:\n: \tDoes anybody out there know how the hand held breathalyzer used\n: by our police works?  I would like to hear about this and the more\n: general problem of detecting smells by machine.\n: \n: Thanks, William.\n: \n: williamb@ee.ubc.ca\n: \n\nFrom what I have read about these little gadgets, it works on\na electrochemical galvanic principle. The sensing unit has a\nchemical matrix which produces an electrical voltage proportional\nto the amount of chemical compound it is designed for ... in this case\nI believe it is the Hydroxyl group???  \n\nI have also heard -  not tested :-)  - since common gasoline is also\na member of this Hydroxyl group, it will also cause a failing breathalizer\nfailure! Next time you get stopped for DUI, say you just siphoned gas from\nyour neighbors car (you know..... the Oklahoma credit card) and chances\nare you won't get a DUI ticket!!!!\n\n\n \nJerry Long\n\nlong@spk.hp.com\n****************************************\nDisclaimer.... Opinions are my own and\ndo NOT reflect those of my employer.  \n**************************************** \n","2229":"From: ksc@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (kenneth.s.cobler)\nSubject: XFree86 and Esix 4.0.4\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nKeywords: esix\nLines: 39\n\nHello Netlanders:\n\n       I am a novice X user with a question for any Xgod.\n\n       My computer configuration with the X problem is as follows:\n\n       486DX50\/256\/16RAM  running Esix 4.0.4 \n       Wangtek AT-style interface 250 M tape drive.\n       I have loaded the Basic OS (which includes nsu) and\n       inet utilities (tcp\/ip).\n       I ftp-ed the XFree86 (X11R5) binaries and installed properly.\n \n I can execute startx and run X-windows with no problems.\n However, if I try to access the tape drive while in X, the\n machine locks up instantly.  If I am out of X and access the\n tape, the tape drive works fine.  Soon as I try to\n startx again; the screen changes modes, but, the grey background\n pattern does not come up and no xterm is forked.  I have to login\n from another terminal and execute a shutdown to reset the system.\n\n I've contacted Esix about this problem.  They claim THEIR X-window X11R4\n server (which I have) works with the Wangtek tape drive.  They also \n claim I only need the nsu (network system utilities) to run X; I don't\n need inet (tcp\/ip).  My experience has been that I need BOTH to get\n XFree86 to work.  I'm not too concerned about having to load both nsu and inet\n packages to get X to work unless the inet package is causing my problem.\n\n I would like to get both X and my tape drive to co-exist on the same\n system.  If you can shed any light on the problem, it would be appreciated.\n \n One colleague implied this might be a hardware conflict.  If this is true,\n what direction should I look to resolve the conflict ?\n\n Thanks,\n \n Kenneth Cobler                ksc@ihlpv.att.com\n AT&T Bell Laboratories\n 263 Shuman Blvd.\n Naperville, IL  60566\n","2230":"From: king@ctron.com (John E. King)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is oxymoronic?\nOrganization: Cabletron Systems Inc.\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: saturn.ctron.com\nTo: \"Andrew A. Houghton\" <ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu>\n\n\n\nAndrew A. Houghton\"  writes:  \n\n>I'm still waiting to hear a good response from a christian type..  how\n>is christ's word (as quoted by Paul) reconciled with current christian\n>beliefs?\n\nAlmost one third of the world's population claim to be Christian.  But\nany similarity between their beliefs and lifestyle to the first century\nmodel is purely coincidental.  At Luke 18:8 it states, \"...nevertheless,\nwhen the son of man returns, will he really find the faith on the earth?\"\n\n\nJack\n\n","2231":"From: scotts@bbking.FtCollinsCO.NCR.COM ( Scott Sherman)\nSubject: Re: Computer Engr vs.  Computer Science\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: NCR Microelectronics Products Division (an AT&T Company)\nLines: 20\n\nIn article <1993Apr10.210242.340@macadam.com>, mike@macadam.com writes:\n|> I am a freshman in college and can't decide whether to major in computer  \n|> engineering or computer science.  Any advice or suggestions will be  \n|> appreciated.\n|> \n|> Thanks,\n|> Mike\n\nA professor of mine once said \"The difference between a Computer Engineer and\na Computer Scientist is about $5000\" meaning the Engineer makes $5000 more than\nthe CS.\nSeriously though the main difference is that most CS people write programs that\npeople will use, i.e. database, graphics, word processors, etc., while an\nengineer writes for machines or control systems, i.e. the \"computer\" in your\ncar, a flight control system, computer controled devices, etc. In other words\nCS writes SOFTWARE while CSE writes FIRMWARE. \nThese are generalizations but for the most part that is what the difference is.\n\nP.S. The $5000 is not just a joke\nScott\n","2232":"From: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw)\nSubject: Re: Sun IPX root window display - background picture\nOrganization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor\nLines: 15\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu\nKeywords: sun ipx background picture\nOriginator: tdawson@llullaillaco.engin.umich.edu\n\n\nI'm not sure if you got the information you were looking for, so I'll\npost it anyway for the general public.  To load an image on your root\nwindow add this line to the end of your .xsession file:\n\n xloadimage -onroot -fullscreen <gif_file_name> &\n\nThis is assuming of course you have the xloadimage client, and as\nfor the switches, I think they pretty much explain what is going on.\nIf you leave out the <&>, the terminal locks till you kill it.\n(You already knew that though...)\n\nHope this helps.\n\nDaemon\n","2233":"From: wcl@risc.sps.mot.com (Wayne Long)\nSubject: PROBLEM:  Running AIX info from a Sun rlogin shell.\nOrganization: Motorola (Austin,TX)\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ome.sps.mot.com\n\n\n  When I run our RS6000's \"info\" utility through a remote login\n  shell (rlogin) from my Sun Sparc 1+, I can no longer type\n  lower case in any of info's window prompt's.\n\n  I thought the prob. may have been due to my Sun window mgr. \n  (Openlook) being incompatible with the AIX Motif application\n  but I tried it under TVTWM also.  Same result.\n  \n  So this is presumably an X11 key definition problem between \n  workstations - but my system admins. feign ignorance.\n  \n  What do I need to do the be able to type lower case into \n  this remote AIX motif app. from within my local Openlook\n  window manager?\n  \n  \n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------\nWayne Long - OE215              Internet: wcl@risc.sps.mot.com\n6501 William Cannon Drive West  UUCP: cs.texas.edu!oakhill!risc!wcl\nAustin, Texas 78735-8598        Phone (512) 891-4649  FAX: 891-3818\n","2234":"From: mvp@netcom.com (Mike Van Pelt)\nSubject: Re: Anyone interested in facts?  Here's a few\nOrganization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nLines: 19\n\nOops, I forgot to set read permission.  It's fixed now.\n\nftp netcom.com\nlogin: anonymous\npassword: your@email.address\ncd pub\/mvp\nbinary\nget clinton.zip\n\nYou need pkzip 2.x or the latest net.zip to un-\"deflate\" this.\n\nEconomic stats since Day One, plus all of the myriad ways Slick Willie\nand the Gang of 535 are preparing to do it to us.  From Ron Brown's\ndesk, so any distortion is pro-Democrat, can you believe it?\n-- \nLet's face it, when it comes to utilities,  Microsoft has | Mike Van Pelt\nperformed about as well as a savings and loan.  These are | mvp@netcom.com \nthe guys,  remember,  who put BACKUP and RESTORE - not to | mvp@lsil.com     \nmention EDLIN - on your hard disk.  - Lincoln Spector     +----\n","2235":"From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)\nSubject: Re: Riceburner Respect\nExpires: 15 May 93 05:00:00 GMT\nOrganization: Computervision Corp., Bedford, Ma.\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr9.172953.12408@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:\n>The rider (pilot?) of practically every riceburner I've passed recently\n>has waved to me and I'm wondering if it will last.  Could they simply be \n>overexuberant that their 'burners have been removed from winter moth-balls \n>and the novelty will soon dissipate?  Perhaps the gray beard that sprouted\n>since the last rice season makes them think I'm a friendly old fart that\n>deserves a wave...\n\nMaybe...then again did you get rid of that H\/D of yorn and buy a rice rocket \nof your own?  That would certainly explain the friendliness...unless you \nmaybe had a piece of toilet paper stuck on the bottom of your boot...8-).\n\nRich\n\n\nRich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com\n1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173\n\"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect\n us from the evil men do in the name of good\"\n","2236":"From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)\nSubject: Re: Building a UV flashlight\nNntp-Posting-Host: aisun3.ai.uga.edu\nOrganization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens\nLines: 13\n\nYou can get a *little* UV by putting a heavy UV filter (deep purple) in\nfront of an ordinary flashlight bulb (the brightest you can get).\nMy father used a setup like this in law enforcement work circa 1964.\n\nGood UV (\"blacklight\") bulbs work like fluorescent bulbs.  I'd proceed by\ngetting a cheap battery-powered _fluorescent_ light, then going to an\nelectrical supply house and finding a UV bulb that would fit it.\n\n-- \n:-  Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist        :    *****\n:-  Artificial Intelligence Programs      mcovingt@ai.uga.edu :  *********\n:-  The University of Georgia              phone 706 542-0358 :   *  *  *\n:-  Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A.     amateur radio N4TMI :  ** *** **  <><\n","2237":"From: mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson)\nSubject: Re: Rodney King Trial, Civil Rights Violations, Double Jeopardy\nOrganization: NCR Engineering and Manufacturing Atlanta -- Atlanta, GA\nLines: 37\n\nIn <1993Apr2.182942.22445@husc3.harvard.edu> spanagel@husc11.harvard.edu (David Spanagel) writes:\n\n|Recently it's occured to me that I've never heard of any PERSON ever being\n|tried in Federal Court for violating someone's civil rights. Of course\n|there have been cases before the Supreme Court in which it was decided\n|that someone's civil rights had been violated (e.g., Miranda, Escobedo,\n|etc.), but institutions were, de facto, the defendants, not individuals. Am I\n|mistaken? Have there been similar cases against individuals in the past? \n\nI know it was used several times in the south, to prosecute the murders of\nblacks, after all white juries had cleared the accussed.\n\n|Furthermore, what are the specific charges against the four LAPD officers? \n|Which civil rights or laws are they accused of violating? \n\nI believe it is a general charge, that is no specific right is mentioned.\n\n|What about double jeopardy? Has there been any concern that a verdict\n|against Koon, et al. might be overturned upon appeal because they're being tried\n|again for the same actions? (I thought I heard something on the news about \n|this.)\n\nThe SS has previously ruled that since the seperate governments were in\nessence seperate sovereigns, then double jeopardy does not apply.\n\n(If this is true, then could defendents also be tried under city and\ncounty governments?)\n\nThis mornings paper said that the ACLU has decided to reinstate its\nopposition to this kind of thing. They had earlier suspended their\nopposition while they examined the King case. There might be hope\nfor the ACLU after all.\n-- \nMob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government\nIt ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.\nWilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.\nMark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com\n","2238":"From: rem@buitc.bu.edu (Robert Mee)\nSubject: Diamond Speedstar Driver for v3.1\nOrganization: Boston University, Boston, MA, USA\nLines: 16\n\n\nI am looking for a WIN31 driver (or set) for my Diamond \nSpeedstar 1MB video card. Does anybody know of an archive\nsite that has these? I looked at CICA and it had drivers for\nthe Stealth card and for Generic ET4000 cards but not one \nspecifically for the Speedstar. Is there one? Or has Diamond\ndropped the Speedstar out of the driver development loop.\n\nThanks for any info,\n\nRob\n-- \n\nRobert Mee     Boston University Information Technology      (rem@bu-it.bu.edu)\n\n\n","2239":"From: nancie@neko.CSS.GOV (Nancie P. Marin)\nSubject: Re: XCopyPlane Question\nOrganization: The Internet\nLines: 36\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterpoop.mit.edu\nTo: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu\n\nIn article <BUZZ.93Apr19101538@lion.bear.com> buzz@bear.com (Buzz Moschetti) write\n>In article <WHALEY.93Apr15103931@sigma.kpc.com> whaley@sigma.kpc.com (Ken Whaley) writes:\n>>   Actually, I must also ask the FAQ's #1 most popular reason why graphics\n>>   don't show up: do you wait for an expose event before drawing your\n>>   rectangle?\n>\n>Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains\n>Xlib graphics.  A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item\n>to be drawn in the Window.  This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() \n>(or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new\n>item in a memory structure and let the expose event handler take care\n>of rendering the image because at that time it is guaranteed that the\n>Window is mapped.\n>\n>The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window\n>is visible and mapped.  Do you know the best way to \"tickle\" a window so\n>that the expose event handler will be invoked to draw this new item?\n>\n\nWhat does this have to do with my original question???  I previously\nstated that I did an XCopyArea of the depth-8 pixmap to the screen\njust to make sure that my image had data, and it did.  This is NOT\na problem with expose events, it has to do with XCopyPlane not\nworking!!!\n\nDoes anyone have a code fragment they could send demonstrating that\nXCopyPlane works???  This would be very helpful!\n\nThanks!\n\n ----------------------------------------------------------------\n Nancie P. Marin      NET:  nancie@neko.css.gov\n ENSCO Inc.           MAIL: 445 Pineda Ct.  Melbourne, Fl.  32940\n (407)254-4122        FAX:  (407)254-3293\n ----------------------------------------------------------------\n\n","2240":"From: darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice)\nSubject: Re: Ancient islamic rituals\nOrganization: Monash University, Melb., Australia.\nLines: 72\n\nIn <1pkqe2INN54n@lynx.unm.edu> cfaehl@vesta.unm.edu (Chris Faehl) writes:\n\n>In article <1993Apr3.081052.11292@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:\n>[deleted, to get to the point:]\n>> \n>> Therefore, in a nutshell, my opinion is that pre-marital sex makes the\n>> likelihood of extra-marital sex more probable.  Furthermore,\n>> in my opinion, extra-marital sex helps break down partnerships and leads\n>> to greater divorce rates.  This in turn, in my opinion, creates trauma\n>> and a less stable environment for children, who are then, in my opinion,\n>> more likely to grow up with psychological problems such as depression,\n>> etc.  And thus, sex outside of marriage is, in the long run, harmful to\n>> society.\n\n>I think that you are drawing links where there are none - having sex before\n>marriage has nothing to do with adultery once committed into marriage. The\n>issue as I see it is more of how committed you are to not foisting pain on\n>your spouse, and how confident you are about yourself. \n>\tIn addition, what someone does within their marriage is their own \n>business, not mine, and not yours. I have witnessed strong relationships\n>that incorporate extra-marital sex. \n>\tI would agree with your assertion about children - children should not  be witness to such confusing relationships - if adultery is stressful to \n>adults, which I assume it in general is, how can we expect children to \n>understand it?\n>> \n>> Where is the evidence for my opinions?  At the moment, there are just\n>> generalities I can cite.  For example, I read that in the 20th century,\n>> the percentage of youth (and people in general) who suffer from\n>> depression has been steadily climbing in Western societies (probably\n>> what I was reading referred particularly to the USA).  Similarly, one\n>> can detect a trend towards greater occurrence of sex outside of marriage\n>> in this century in Western societies -- particularly with the \"sexual\n>> revolution\" of the 60's, but even before that I think (otherwise the\n>> \"sexual revolution\" of the 60's would not have been possible),\n>> particularly with the gradual weakening of Christianity and consequently\n>> Christian moral teachings against sex outside of marriage.  I propose\n>> that these two trends -- greater level of general depression in society\n>> (and other psychological problems) and greater sexual promiscuity -- are\n>> linked, with the latter being a prime cause of the former.  I cannot\n>> provide any evidence beyond this at this stage, but the whole thesis\n>> seems very reasonable to me and I request that people ponder upon it.\n\n>Why is it more reasonable than the trend towards obesity and the trend towards\n>depression? You can't just pick your two favorite trends, notice a correlation \n>in them, and make a sweeping statement of generality. I mean, you CAN, and \n>people HAVE, but that does not mean that it is a valid or reasonable thesis. \n>At best it's a gross oversimplification of the push-pull factors people \n>experience.  \n\nMy argument is mainly a proposal of what I think is a plausible argument\nagainst extra-marital sex -- one which I personally believe has some\ntruth.  My main purpose for posting it here is to show that a\n_plausible_ argument can be made against extra-marital sex.  At this\nstage I am not saying that this particular viewpoint is proven or\nanything like that, just that it is plausible.  To try to convince you\nall of this particular point of view, I would probably have to do a lot\nof work researching what has been done in this field, etc., in order to\ngather further evidence, which I simply do not have time to do now.  \n\nAlso note that I said that I think extra-marital sex is \"a prime cause\"\n(in my opinion) of the generally greater levels of psychological\nproblems, especially depression, in Western societies.  I am not saying\nit is \"the prime cause\" or \"the only cause\", just \"a prime cause\" --\ni.e. one of the significant contributions to this trend.  I think when\nyou say you think my view is simplistic, you have forgotten this -- I\nadmit that there are probably other factors, but I do think that\nextra-marital sex (and, IMO, subsequent destabilization of the family)\nis a significant factor in the rise in psychological problems like\ndepression in Western society this century.\n \n Fred Rice\n darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au   \n","2241":"From: ikos@netcom.com (Ikos)\nSubject: Where can I buy a BIOS?\nSummary: Just as the subject sez...\nKeywords: BIOS, motherboard, Phoenix, Mylex, Microtimes\nOrganization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nDistribution: ba\nLines: 22\n\nI'm in the market to upgrade my BIOS to a Phoenix 1.10 (got a new hard disk,\ndiscovered my BIOS doesn't have a \"type 47\") and I would like know where I\ncan purchase one of these things.\n\nI checked with the motherboard manufacturer (for the curious-- it's from\nMylex), and hearing the $60 figure prompted me to at least try to shop\naround...\n\nProblem is, I don't know where to shop around for something like this.\n\nI have heard that there's a BIOS speciality shop in the South Bay and it's\nbeen alleged that they advertise in the MicroTimes.\n\nDid find the MicroTimes, didn't find the ad or the shop.\n\nSo, can anybody help me out on this quest?\n\nTo anybody who replies to this-- Thanks in advance.\n\n-Jeff Chan\t\t\t\t\t| These are my opinions.  It\n\tjeff@ikos.com (*not* ikos@netcom.com)\t| would be quite silly if it\n\t..!netcom!ikos!jeff\t\t\t| was also my company's...\n","2242":"From: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!\nReply-To: hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu (Brad Hernlem)\nOrganization: NCSU Chem Eng\nLines: 132\n\n\nIn article <2BCF287A.25524@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n|\n|> >In article <1993Apr16.130037.18830@ncsu.edu>, hernlem@chess.ncsu.edu \n|>  (Brad Hernlem) writes:\n|> >|> \n|> >|> In article <2BCE0918.6105@news.service.uci.edu>, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu \n|>     (Tim Clock) writes:\n|> >|> \n|> >|> Are you suggesting that, when guerillas use the population for cover, \n|> >|> Israel should totally back down? So...the easiest way to get away with \n|> >|> attacking another is to use an innocent as a shield and hope that the \n|> >|> other respects innocent lives?\n|> \n|> > Tell me Tim, what are these guerillas doing wrong? Assuming that they are \n|> > using civilians for cover, \n|> \n|> \"Assuming\"? Also: come on, Brad. If we are going to get anywhere in \n|> this (or any) discussion, it doesn't help to bring up elements I never \n|> addressed, *nor commented on in any way*. I made no comment on who is \n|> \"right\" or who is \"wrong\", only that civilians ARE being used as cover \n|> and that, having been placed \"in between\" the Israelis and the guerillas,\n|> they *will* be injured as both parties continue their fight.\n\nPardon me Tim, but I do not see how it can be possible for the IDF to fail\nto detect the presence of those responsible for planting the bomb which\nkilled the three IDF troops and then later know the exact number and \nwhereabouts of all of them. Several villages were shelled. How could the IDF\npossibly have known that there were guerrillas in each of the targetted\nvillages? You see, it was an arbitrary act of \"retaliation\".\n\n\n|> > If the buffer zone is to prevent attacks on Israel, is it not working? Why\n|> > is it further neccessary for Israeli guns to pound Lebanese villages? Why \n|> > not just kill those who try to infiltrate the buffer zone? You see, there \n|> > is more to the shelling of the villages.... it is called RETALIATION... \n|> > \"GETTING BACK\"...\"GETTING EVEN\". It doesn't make sense to shell the \n|> > villages. The least it shows is a reckless disregard by the Israeli \n|> > government for the lives of civilians.\n|> \n|> I agree with you here. I have always thought that Israel's bombing\n|> sortees and bombing policy is stupid, thoughtless, inhumane AND\n|> ineffective. BUT, there is no reason that Israel should passive wait \n|> until attackers chose to act; there is every reason to believe that\n|> \"taking the fight *to* the enemy\" will do more to stop attacks. \n|> \n|> As I said previously, Israel spent several decades \"sitting passively\"\n|> on its side of a border and only acting to stop these attacks *after*\n|> the attackers had entered Israeli territory. It didn't work very well.\n|> The \"host\" Arab state did little\/nothing to try and stop these attacks \n|> from its side of the border with Israel so the number of attacks\n|> were considerably higher, as was their physical and psychological impact \n|> on the civilians caught in their path.  \n\nThe problem, Tim, is that the original reason for the invasion was Palestinian\nattacks on Israel, NOT Lebanese attacks. \n\n|> >\n|> >|> What?So the whole bit about attacks on Israel from neighboring Arab states \n|> >|> can start all over again? While I also hope for this to happen, it will\n|> >|> only occur WHEN Arab states show that they are *prepared* to take on the \n|> >|> responsibility and the duty to stop guerilla attacks on Israel from their \n|> >|> soil. They have to Prove it (or provide some \"guaratees\"), there is no way\n|> >|> Israel is going to accept their \"word\"- not with their past attitude of \n|> >|> tolerance towards \"anti-Israel guerillas in-residence\".\n|> >|> \n|> > If Israel is not willing to accept the \"word\" of others then, IMHO, it has\n|> > no business wasting others' time coming to the peace talks. \n|> \n|> This is just another \"selectively applied\" statement.\n|>  \n|> The reason for this drawn-out impasse between Ababs\/Palestinians and Israelis\n|> is that NEITHER side is willing to accept the Word of the other. By your\n|> criteria *everyone* should stay away from the negotiations.\n|> \n|> That is precisely why the Palestinians (in their recent PISGA proposal for \n|> the \"interim\" period after negotiations and leading up to full autonomy) are\n|> demanding conditions that essentially define \"autonomy\" already. They DO\n|> NOT trust that Israel will \"follow through\" the entire process and allow\n|> Palestinians to reach full autonomy. \n|> \n|> Do you understand and accept this viewpoint by the Palestinians? \n|> If you do, then why should Israel's view of Arabs\/Palestinians \n|> be any different? Why should they trust the Arab\/Palestinians' words?\n|> Since they don't, they are VERY reluctant to give up \"tangible assets \n|> (land, control of areas) in exchange for \"words\". For this reason,\n|> they are also concerned about the sorts of \"guarantees\" they will have \n|> that the Arabs WILL follow through on their part of any agreement reached.\n\nFirst, I believe that my statement applies to both sides.\n\nHaving said that, I think it is neccessary to separate what is legitimately\nnegotiable and what is not. For example, no country has the right to abuse\none's human rights. Deciding whether there will be one or two states in\nPalestine is a legitimate question. While de facto one state exists, Israel \nmust treat all within its domain equitably.\n\n|> > Tim, you are ignoring the fact that the Palestinians in Lebanon have been\n|> > disarmed. Hezbollah remains the only independent militia. Hezbollah does\n|> > not attack Israel except at a few times such as when the IDF burned up\n|> > Sheikh Mosavi, his wife, and young son. \n|> \n|> While the \"major armaments\" (those allowing people to wage \"civil wars\")\n|> have been removed, the weapons needed to cross-border attacks still\n|> remain to some extent. Rocket attacks still continue, and \"commando\"\n|> raids only require a few easily concealed weapons and a refined disregard\n|> for human life (yours of that of others). Such attacks also continue.\n\nYes, I am afraid that what you say is true but that still does not justify\noccupying your neighbor's land. Israel must resolve its disputes with the\nnative Palestinians if it wants peace from such attacks.\n\n|> > Of course, if Israel would withdraw from Lebanon\n|> > and stop assassinating people and shelling villages they wouldn't\n|> > make the Lebanese so mad as to do that.\n|> \n|> Bat guano. The situation you call for existed in the 1970s and attacks\n|> were commonplace.\n\nNot true. Lebanese were not attacking Israel in the 1970s. With a strong\nLebanese government (free from Syrian and Israeli interference) I believe\nthat the border could be adequately patrolled. The Palestinian heavy\nweapons have been siezed in past years and I do not see as significant a\nthreat as once existed.\n\nPlease, Tim, don't fall into the trap of treating Lebanese and Palestinians\nas all part of the same group. There are too many who think all Arabs or all\nMuslims are the same. Too many times I have seen people support the bombing\nof Palestinian camps in \"retaliation\" for an IDF death at the hands of the\nLebanese Resistance or the shelling of Lebanese villages in \"retaliation\" for\na Palestinian attack. \n|> Tim\n","2243":"From: leono@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Leon Olszewski )\nSubject: DDE frustrations - Can you help?\nSummary: Need help to get DDE to work\nKeywords: DDE\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 24\n\nI am starting to work on a project using DDE to transfer data.  The \napplication came with an Excel macro which can transfer the data.\nI need to 'port' it to 1-2-3W.  1-2-3W uses a very different setup\nfor DDE macros.\n\nDoes anyone have any suggestions as to good references?  I have \ndownloaded \"WW01117:  Windows Dynamic Exchange (DDE)\" [the MS\nApplication Note].  Any books worth getting?\n\nThe specifics are:\n\nServer application:  Dionex AI-450 Chromatography Data System\nClient application:  1-2-3 for Windows V1.1\n\nExcept for the macro, Dionex did not provide any documentation\nfor DDE.  Also, I am having problems because I am trying to develop\nthe application on my PC, but to actually get data, you need to be\nconnect to the instrument.  Any help here would be appreciated, too.\n\nThanks,\n-- \n\nLeon M. Olszewski        | Nothing is worse than having an itch you can\nInternet: leono@uiuc.edu | never scratch.  Leon - Bladerunner\n","2244":"From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)\nSubject: Re: Nazi Eugenic Theories Circulated by CPR => (unconventional peace)\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slc8.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n   First this man promotes the dissolution of the Jews through an\nintermarriage process, and then says that it will be just a bunch\nof 'fundamentalist' Jews who will object.  This clown even called\nfor 'buying' the dissolution of the Jewish people.\n\n   Does this idiot mean to suggest that any Jew who objects to an\nimibicilic notion like this is fundamentalist?  Or does he simply\nmean to insult the orthodox by using the word 'fundamentalist?'\n\n   I am not orthodox.  I am not fundamentalist.  I would desire a\ngenuine peace in the region more than this pinhead  Davidsson can\never understand.  But when he shows his willingness to dismiss an\nentire culture, he proves that the only thing more brain-boggling\nthan his stupidity is his willingness to display his stupidity in \nthis newsgroup.\n\n  Please take your hatred for the essence of Judaism and shove it\nup your ass.  Remember to pull your head out first.\n\n","2245":" uunet!olivea!sgigate!sgiblab!adagio.panasonic.com!nntp-server.caltech.edu!keith\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nFrom: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\nLines: 15\n\nbobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:\n\n>My personal objection is that I find capital punishment to be\n>cruel and unusual punishment under all circumstances.\n\nIt can be painless, so it isn't cruel.  And, it has occurred frequently\nsince the dawn of time, so it is hardly unusual.\n\n>I don't take issue with the numbers.  A single innocent life taken\n>is one too many.\n\nBut, innocents die due to many causes.  Why have you singled out\naccidental or false execution as the one to take issue with?\n\nkeith\n","2246":"From: donrm@sr.hp.com (Don Montgomery)\nSubject: Radio Shack Battery of the Month Club\nOrganization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD\/MWTD\/MID)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9.2]\nLines: 10\n\n\nRadio Shack has canceled their \"Battery of the Month\" Club.  Does \nanyone know why?  \n\nThey say they'll honor existing cards in customer hands, but no new\ncards will be issued.\n\nDon Montgomery\ndonrm@sr.hp.com\n\n","2247":"Subject: Re: WFAN\nFrom: csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby)\nExpires: Sat, 1 May 1993 04:00:00 GMT\nOrganization: Virginia Commonwealth University\nLines: 41\n\n\nNo, he's not nuts, WIP is second to none THE sports station.  They\ndon't have Tony Bruno working ESPN radio and Al Morganti doing Friday\nNight Hockey because they suck.  I live in Richmond Va, but I visit\nPhila often, and on the way I get WTEM Washington) and WIP.  I hear\nthe FAN at night wherever I go (the signal used to be WNBC, when they\nplayed golden oldies) because you can't avoid it.  Of those three,\nWIP has the best hosts hands down.  Chuck Cooperstein isn't a homer,\nand neither is Jody Mac.  WTEM is too generic to be placed in the\ncatergory.  In fact if you have heard WTEM and the FAN you notice the\ntheme music is identical...same ownership?? I think so!  WIP is\ntotally original.  Their hosts actually have a personality (this is a\nknock at TEM (the TEAM) not the FAN because Mike and the Mad Dog and\nSommers are good) I mean comparing the morning guys in Philadelphia\nto the ones in Washington is a total joke.  Anyway, I like the FAN\nand WIP, but I think the edge goes to 'IP.  \n\nWhen I get back from Philly, I go into withdraw cause Richmond has\nnada except the national sports line (and those guys are totally\nclueless)   \nI was really mad when WCAU was cancelled because they had Steve\nFredericks doing sports phone after the Phillies games.  (WCAU is\nanother strong station, now it's an oldies station, but they still\nhave the Phillies) I started listening to the FAN because I heard he\nwent there.  I finally heard him last summer and he wasn't the same\nguy.  Those NY fans got to him.  I was glad to hear him back in\nPhilly when I went to see a few Eagles games.  \n\n\nI will admit, I am  die hard EAGLES fan and WIP is basically an\nEagles station 365 days a year.  BUT, I bet you the Phillies are in\ncontrol right now.\n\n\nAbout the knock on G. Cobb, I like him.  He knows the Eagles like a\nbook.  I remember the weekend before they went to play San Fran,\n(when everyone thought the Eagles would be blown away) Cobb said that\nthe Eagles usually play their best when no one believe they can win.\nWell they were inches shy of pulling the victory.  \n\nWell that's my $.02\n","2248":"From: schabel@calspan.com (Dave Schabel)\nSubject: Re: Gun Nuts and Holly Silva\nArticle-I.D.: calspan.1993Apr5.215700.4600\nOrganization: Calspan Advanced Technology Center\nLines: 45\nNntp-Posting-Host: riemann-gw\n\nIn article <C4tsD1.1vA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> irvine@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (Brent Irvine) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr1.010834.4326@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rcanders@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mr. Nice Guy) writes:\n>>Both the \" Gun Nuts\" and the gays are aggressively defensive and quite\n>>hostile to any one trying to deprive them of their rights.  Just like\n>>any group trying to protect their rights.\n>\n>The fallacy of this whole thing is that YOUR RIGHTS ARE NOT IN JEAPARDY\n>BY THESE POSTS.  \n\nHow can you say that?  I presume that you mean that talking about\nrestricting rights is not the same as restricting those rights.  Well,\narguing for those restrictions may lead to implementation, much\nthe same way as assault can lead to battery (legal definitions).\n\n>Most t.p.g people and the homosexual groups won't even\n>discuss the subject at all in a polite form.  The mere raising of a question\n>as to why the rights are there or what exactly the 'right' encompasses\n>bring shrill posts and angry\/hostile traffic.  \n\nWell, I can't speak for the homosexuals, but I've seen ALOT\nof polite discussion on t.p.g.  Please, everyone, don't take\nthis guy's word, or mine for that matter, on it.  Read t.p.g.\nfor a while, and try to determine from which direction most of\nthe flameage originates.  If you post without flamebait, you\nwill generally receive reasoned responses.  True, there are\nthose who tend to lose their tempers quickly, as there are on\nall newsgroups, but they really do feel their rights are in jeopardy.\n\nOh, and neat trick talking derisively about another newsgroup while\nnot crossposting to allow them to defend themselves.\n\n>I think a lot of t.p.g people have very thin skin when it comes to \n>discussing these subjects.\n\nMethinks you doth protest too much.\n\n\t\t\t\tDave Schabel\n\n\n\n-- \n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nDave Schabel         | Opinions and comments contained herein are mine and  |\nschabel@calspan.com  | do not necessarilly reflect those of Calspan Corp or |\nLocated in Western NY| its customers.                                       |\n","2249":"From: phz@cadence.com (Pete Zakel)\nSubject: Re: Some more about gun control...\nNntp-Posting-Host: cds709.cadence.com\nOrganization: Cadence Design Systems, Inc.\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.010235.14225@mtu.edu> cescript@mtu.edu (Charles Scripter) writes:\n>You didn't even get the capitalization correct!  Try reading USCA on\n>the Constitution, or get any other CORRECT version of the\n>Constitution. \n\nThis is REALLY STUPID nitpicking.  Capitalization rules in the late 18th\ncentury were quite different from today, and what was posted matches current\ncapitalization rules.\n\nWe also don't make 's' look like 'f' and other such things done in the late\nseventeen hundreds.\n\nIn the original Constitution, \"militia\", \"arms\", etc. were capitalized simply\nbecause they were nouns.  This is also done currently in German.  There is\nno special significance to these words simply because they are capitalized.\nThe capitalization denotes no special emphasis.\n\n-Pete Zakel\n (phz@cadence.com or ..!uunet!cadence!phz)\n\n\tARIES (Mar 21 - Apr 19)\nYou are the pioneer type and hold most people in contempt.  You are\nquick tempered, impatient, and scornful of advice.  You are not very\nnice.\n","2250":"From: hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu (Valerie S. Hammerl)\nSubject: Re: Playoff telecasts in Atlanta\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 29\nNntp-Posting-Host: lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <1q9noa$d90@hsdndev.harvard.edu> nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219) writes:\n>In article <IflYr6y00WB4A6F60A@andrew.cmu.edu> Mamatha Devineni Ratnam <mr47+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:\n>>\n>>Does anyone know if all the Patrick division games are going to be televised\n>>on ESPN and ABC? If some games are going to be left out(Or blanked out by\n>>dumb southern ABC affiliates), I was wondering if anyone out there knows\n>>of any sports bars in Atlanta which are frequented by hockey fans. I don't\n>>want to miss out on any of the Pens games. I am sure that there are some\n>>Islander fans(now that the rangers are dead) who would want to watch every\n>>Pens-Islanders game in Atlanta.\n>\n>\n>Circle Tuesday,April 20th on your TV calendar. ESPN will carry Game#2\n>from Pittsburgh's Civic Arena or as they are advetising it : Pittsburgh vs.\n>4th place Partick Div. finisher. Personally, Bruins-Buffalo or Montreal-\n>Quebec City is a much better matchup but ESPN is hoping for a spoiler\n>in the Pens series which it's not likely to get the way Mario has been\n>playing for the past month or so.\n\nI'd personally prefer Buffalo-Boston, as a birthday gift from ESPN,\nbut I don't think the folks at ESPN will accomodate that for me ;-)\nESPN has this inexplicable affinity for the Patrick division, it\nseems.  \n\n-- \nValerie Hammerl\t\t\t\"Some days I have to remind him he's not \nhammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu\tMario Lemieux.\"  Herb Brooks on Claude\nacscvjh@ubms.cc.buffalo.edu\tLemieux, top scorer for the Devils, but \nv085pwwpz@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu  known for taking dumb penalties.\n","2251":"From: egerter@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Barry Egerter)\nSubject: Re: Graphics Library Package\nOrganization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada\nNntp-Posting-Host: obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca\nLines: 43\n\n\n\tWGT is the WordUp Graphics Toolkit, designed by yours truly and my\nco-programmer (and brother) Chris Egerter. It is a Turbo\/Borland C++ graphics\nlibrary for programming in 320*200*256 VGA. We are currently producing it as\nshareware, but in a few years it may be a commercial product (excuse typos,\nthere's no backspace on this terminal). Features include:\n\n- loading and saving bit-images (called blocks from herein)\n- flipping, resizing and warping blocks\n- loading and saving palette, fading, several in memory at once\n- graphics primitives such as line, circle, bar, rectangle\n- region fill (not the usually useless floodfill)\n- sprites (animated bitmaps), up to 200 onscreen at once\n- joystick\/mouse support\n- SB support (VOC and CMF)\n- tile-based game creation using 16*16 pixel tiles to create\n  a 320*200 tile map (or game world) like in Duke Nuke 'Em\n- number of sprites increased to 1000\n- Professional Sprite Creator utility and Map Maker\n-  routines to simplify scrolling games using maps, etc\n- FLI playing routines, sprites can be animated over the FLI while playing\n- PCX support, soon GIF\n- EMS\/XMS coming soon as well\n\nLeave E-mail to Barry Egerter at    egerter@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca\n\nFiles available on:      (use  mget wgt*.zip)\n\nSIMTEL20 and mirrors                pd1:<msdos.turbo-c>\n\nnic.funet.fi                        pub\/msdos\/games\/programming\n\nSome sites may not have recent files, contact me for info regarding the up-to-\ndate information.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","2252":"From: nrp@st-andrews.ac.uk (Norman R. Paterson)\nSubject: Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism\nOrganization: Association Against Having Fun With Your Clothes On\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.020504.19326@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n[...]\n>One of the reasons that you are atheist is that you limit God by giving\n>God a form.  God does not have a \"face\".\n\nWait a minute.  I thought you said that Allah (I presume Allah == God) was unknowable,\nand yet here you are claiming to know a very concrete fact about him.\n\nYou say that God does not have a \"face\".  Doesn't the bible say that God has hindparts?\n\nHow do you suggest I decide which (if any) of you is right?  Or are you both right?\nGod has hindparts but no face?  Or does your use of quotation marks:\n\n\tGod does not have a \"face\".\n\nallow you to interpret this to mean whatever you like?\n\n>\n>Peace,\n>\n>Bobby Mozumder\n\n-Norman\n","2253":"From: viralbus@daimi.aau.dk (Thomas Martin Widmann)\nSubject: Position of 'b' on Erg. Keyboard\nOrganization: DAIMI: Computer Science Department, Aarhus University, Denmark\nLines: 12\n\nSo far I have only seen pictures of the new ergonomic keyboard,\nbut it seems that the 'b' is placed on the left part after the split.\nHowever, when I learned typing in school some years ago, I was taught\nto write 'b' with my right hand. Is this a difference between Danish\nand American typing, or what???\n\nThanks a lot in advance!\n\n--\n\n   Thomas Widmann                   -Lernu Esperanton-\nviralbus@daimi.aau.dk            SOLIDVM PETIT IN LINGVIS\n","2254":"From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <C5L1Ey.Jts@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:\n>In <11825@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:\n>\n>\n>>  Actually, my atheism is based on ignorance.  Ignorance of the\n>>  existence of any god.  Don't fall into the \"atheists don't believe\n>>  because of their pride\" mistake.\n>\n>How do you know it's based on ignorance, couldn't that be wrong? Why would it\n>be wrong \n>to fall into the trap that you mentioned? \n>\n\n  If I'm wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake.  That\n  he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his\n  undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes.\n\n  As for the trap, you are not in a position to tell me that I don't\n  believe in god because I do not wish to.  Unless you can know my\n  motivations better than I do myself, you should believe me when I\n  say that I earnestly searched for god for years and never found\n  him.\n\n\n\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\/\\ \n\nBob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM \n\nThey said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,\nand sank Manhattan out at sea.\n\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n","2255":"From: damelio@progress.COM (Stephen D'Amelio)\nSubject: Re: Ford and the automobile\nNntp-Posting-Host: elba\nOrganization: Progress Software Corp.\nLines: 19\n\nrwong@eis.calstate.edu (Russel Wong) writes:\n\n>Hello, my name is Russell Wong and I am doing a research project on Henry\n>Ford and his automobile.  I need information on whether Ford is\n>partially responsible for all of the car accidents \n\nYa, he cut me off on 128 the other day, he drives like a crazy person.\nI'd have to say he's responsible for most accidents, they really should\npull his licence.\n\n-Steve\n\n\n7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7\n               Alan Kulwicki    1992 Winston Cup Champion\n                              1954 - 1993\n7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7\n\n\n","2256":"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey)\nSubject: The wiretap chip, clones, and secure key-exchange\nNntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu\nOrganization: University of Missouri\nLines: 33\n\nU23590@uicvm.uic.edu writes:\n>The cryptographic algorythm MUST be kept secret, or\n>private individuals could make ClipperClones with\n>which they could transmit messages which the feds would not have\n>ready access to.\n \n   Not necessarily.  I've been thinking about this, and if this chip\/scheme\nis to provide any real security, there must be some sort of key exchange,\neither using a public-key encryption scheme, or using a key exchange scheme\nlike Diffie-Hellman.  If there's an out-of-band transmission of a shared\nsession key, then what protects that band from eavesdropping?  If the phone\ncompany or some other online central authority generates a session key and\nsends it to both users, then what's the point of going to the trouble of\nhaving some complicated key-depositories?  Just ask the phone company for\na copy of the session key for each call.\n \n   Now, it's probably not practical for each user to keep an online copy of\nevery public key used by anyone anywhere, right?  So, probably, there will\nbe some way of getting these keys verified.  This might be a digitally-\nsigned (by the chip manufacturer) copy of the public key in this unit,\nstored by this unit.  It might also be an online directory with access to\neveryone's public keys.  (This would introduce another weakness to the\nsecurity of the scheme, of course.)  Presumably, if you don't use your\ndesignated key, you can't get a verified connection to other standard chips.\n \n   It might be useful to have a modified chip, which would allow you to\nuse either the original public\/private key pair, or some other key pair\nand verification scheme.  Unfortunately, this would not allow you to call\nmost people and establish secure communications....\n \n   --John Kelsey\n>I hope somebody starts doing this soon after the first\n>ones are released...\n","2257":"From: JEK@cu.nih.gov\nSubject: Thinking about heaven\nLines: 20\n\nJames Sledd asks:\n\n 1. What is the nature of eternal life?\n 2. How can we as mortals locked into space-time conceive of it?\n 2a. If the best we can do is metaphor\/analogy, then what is the\n best metaphor?\n\nC S Lewis's essay THE WEIGHT OF GLORY deals with this question. I\nrecommend it enthusiastically. You might also read the chapter on\n\"Heaven\" in his book THE PROBLEM OF PAIN. He gives a fictional\ntreatment in his book THE GREAT DIVORCE. I have found all of these\nvery helpful.\n\nYou might also be helped by the treatment in Dante's DIVINE COMEDY.\nHeaven occupies the last third of the poem, but I cannot imagine\nreading it other than from the beginning. I urge you to use the\ntranslation by Dorothy L Sayers, available from Penguin Paperbacks.\n\n Yours,\n James Kiefer\n","2258":"From: feilimau@leland.Stanford.EDU (Christopher Yale Lin)\nSubject: Mac IIsi Power Limitations\nSummary: What are they?\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 9\n\n\nI own a Mac IIsi and am considering upgrades (cards, hard drive, etc).\nCan you tell me what the power limitations are for 1) the PDS slot\nand 2) the hard drive power feed. Secondly, Can you tell me if there\nis a separate limit for each, or if instead, there is a single limit\nfor both combined?\n\nfelix lin, a new reader of comp.sys.mac.hardware\nfeilimau@leland.stanford.edu\n","2259":"From: martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...)\nSubject: Re: VHS movie for sale\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: jaguar.wpi.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.211400.1@hirama.hiram.edu> koutd@hirama.hiram.edu (DOUGLAS KOU) writes:\n>VHS movie for sale.\n>\n>Dance with Wovies\t($12.00)\n\t    ^^^^^^ what the  hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))??\n \n-- \n \t\tFrom there to here, from here to there,\n \t\t\tfunny things are everywhere \t     Dr. Suess\n..jonathan Sawitsky       'some random wierdo'         martimer@wpi.wpi.edu...\n","2260":"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Jack Morris\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 71\n\nIn <48178@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> demers@cs.ucsd.edu (David DeMers) writes:\n\n\n>In article <1993Apr19.212428.7530@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca>, maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard) writes:\n\n>The facts are that Morris\n>|> has shown us that he has what it takes to play on a WS winning club.\n>|> Clemens hasn't. \n\n>What *does* it take to play on a WS winning club?\n\nWe have no way of knowing because we cannot separate Morris' contribu-\ntion  from the rest of the team's.  There is only one way of determin-\ning \"best\" in baseball.  And that is by looking at the  scoreboard  at\nthe  end  of  the game.  Each game determines which *team* is the best\nthat day.  At the end of the season, the team that was  the  best  the\nmost  often  is  the best in the division.  The playoffs determine the\nbest of the best.  But the point is that the only decision making pro-\ncess  used to determine the \"best\" is the score of the game and it re-\nlates to the *teams*.  Not the individual players.  There is no method\ninherent  in  baseball of comparing individual performances.  And that\nis how it should be, because, after all, baseball is a team game.\n\nTo say that one player is better than another is to be able to say ab-\nsolutely  that  player A's team would have played better with player B\nin their lineup.  Sheer speculation.  Impossible to ascertain.\n\nIf you want to select a group of statistics and claim that Clemens has\ndone  better  with those statistics as a criteria, then fine.  But you\nhave  to  be  able  to  prove  that  those  statistics   measure   the\nindividual's  contribution  to  winning  the WS - because  that is the\nonly measure of \"best\" that has any meaning in the  context  of  base-\nball.   So  until you can prove that Clemens contributes to a WS cham-\npionship more than Morris your evaluation of  Clemens is totally  sub-\njective  and  is  mere opinion.  I have yet to see that any of you can\npredict a WS winner with any greater accuracy than Jeanne Dixon.\n\n>The fact is that Morris didn't \"win\" any ballgames, Toronto did, in\n>spite of Morris' \"contribution\".   This has been explained to you\n\nExactly.  The Jays won with Morris pitching.   And  Boston  wins  with\nClemens pitching.  I am not saying that Morris is better than Clemens.\nI am saying that individual comparisons between  players  are  totally\nmeaningless  and  that anyone claiming that Clemens is better based on\nhis ERA has missed the point of what baseball is all about.\n\n>many, many times and you are either too stupid or too stubborn to grasp it.\n\nYou don't have to be rude.\n\n>You are completely consumed by the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.\n\nFor you to say that means that you have either missed the entire point\nof  my  argument, or you yourself have committed a fallacy - Ignoratio\nElenchi.  I am not saying that Morris is better than Clemens   because\nhe   has  more   rings   (although  I  have,  tongue in cheek, claimed\nthat in the past).  I am saying that it is impossible to  isolate   an\nindividual's  performance   from that of his team's for the purpose of\ncomparing that individual's performance with another individual's per-\nformance.\n\nThe stats are a nice hobby and  that's  about  it.  There  is  no  new\nknowledge being produced.  So when a poster claims that Morris is better\nthan Clemens because he has more rings, the poster is no more nor less \nincorrect than the rest of you baying hounds.\n\n-- \n\ncordially, as always,                      maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n                                           \"So many morons...\nrm                                                   ...and so little time.\" \n","2261":"From: gsfever@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Brent Kirkwood)\nSubject: Casio Digital Diary\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 15\n\nFor Sale : Casio Digital Diary Electronic Organizer (SF-4000)\n\t\t32k RAM\n\t\twill hold approxmiately 1500 names\/phone numbers\n\t\tBig 6 line display\n\t\t200 Year Visible Calendar\n\t\tSchedule Function\n\t\tMemo Bank\n\t\tTelephone Name, Number, Address Storage\n\t\tCalculator\n\n\t\tCompact folding design fits in your pocket\n\nThe above for $25.  It was originally purchased for over $100.  Mail to\ngsfever@okcforum.osrhe.edu if interested.  Price does not include shipping.\n\n","2262":"From: rint69@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (rintoul bradley e)\nSubject: Re: NEWS YOU MAY HAVE MISSED, Apr 20\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 4\n\nWhy do you insist on reposting the entire original post?\nDon't waste bandwidth, please.  You know how picky us non-\nJews can be.  Ha Ha. :|\n\n","2263":"From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.022222.28105@news.cs.brandeis.edu>, st923336@pip.cc.brandeis.edu (BLORT! eeeep! Hwaaah.) writes:\n# \tActually, I was rather surprised to see an article on this subject\n# (i.e. the \"new, inproved\" survey saying that roughly 1% of men are gay)\n# on the front page of The New York _Times_ recently (I think it was\n# on Thurs, 15 April).  The headline was something to the effect of \n# \"New Survey Finds 1% of Men Are Gay\"\n# \n# \tI was shocked, not because the New York _Times_ was running a story\n# on a sex survey (although that was part of it), but because they thought\n# that this news was actually important enough to warrant front page space.\n# I mean, how many people actually CARE how many people are gay (as long as\n# you know how to find\/avoid them if you want to)?  I don't.  \n\nIf you don't care, why was so much effort put into promoting the\n10% lie?  Because it was important to scare politicians into\nobedience.\n\n# \t\t\t\t\t\t\t-Matt\n-- \nClayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer  My opinions, all mine!\nRelations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all.\n","2264":"From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)\nSubject: Re: Wanted:  Advice on CB900 Custom purchase\nKeywords: CB900, purchase\nOrganization: NEC Systems Laboratory, Inc.\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.204821.8497@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:\n>In article <93Apr14.185235.31833@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:\n>>My mechanic once commented that the 'dual range' transmission was\n>>pure junk. One mans opinion...\n>>\n\n\tI had a friend in Pittsburgh who had a CB1000C with the dual-range\ntranny on it.  He usually only used the \"economy\" range to get an overdrive\nsixth gear out of it.  He had 59000 miles on it when it was stolen.  It was\nrecovered shortly after that, repaired, and, for all I know, it's still going\nstrong.\n\n\tThe CB1000C was a shaft-driven overbore version of the CB900 and was\nmade for exactly one year (yep, head and base gaskets are VERY expensive).\nHelluva bike.\n\nA data point,\n-- \nChris BeHanna\tDoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady\nbehanna@syl.nj.nec.com\t          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike\nDisclaimer:  Now why would NEC\t  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name\nagree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.\n","2265":"From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince)\nSubject: Re: Can men get yeast infections?\nLines: 13\n\n To: smithmc@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Lost Boy)\n\n LB> I know from personal experience that men CAN get yeast infections. I \n LB> get rather nasty ones from time to time, mostly in the area of the\n LB> scrotum and the base of the penis. \n\nI used to have problems with recurrent athlete's foot until I \nstarted drying between my toes with my blow drier after each time \nI bathe.  I also dry my pubic area while I am at it to prevent \nproblems.  You might want to try it.\n\n... My cat types with his tail.\n * Origin: ONE WORLD Los Angeles 310\/372-0987 32b (1:102\/129.0)\n","2266":"From: oecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au (John Bongiovanni)\nSubject: SUMMARY: Borland\/Microsoft Database C Libraries\nOrganization: Orbital Engine Company\nLines: 384\n\nWell, I'm amazed at how successful this exercise was. I received 20\nresponses and 4 requests for summary. Thanks to everyone who made it\npossible.\n\nOn my own I was able to find out about Codebase, Accsys, and Q+E. Codebase\nand Accsys are C libraries without SQL. Q+E is a Windows application\nthat can be communicated through Windows DDE calls, where you send a SQL\nstring and receive the results.\n\nMost people wrote to tell me about the Paradox Engine from Borland. Other \nproducts mentioned were: Microsoft's ODBC, Accsys, Quadbase, Codebase,\nRBASE, and Q+E. Only ODBC, Quadbase, RBASE, and Q+E have SQL.\n\nFor myself, I decided on Codebase, mostly because it has an ANSI C\nportability version that runs under DOS, UNIX, etc, and includes the\nsource code, and portability is important in my application. It works\nwith DBASE, FoxPro, or Clipper files.\n\nHowever, I feel that Microsoft's ODBC looks very promising.\nIt's mostly a formalisation of building and submitting SQL queries, and\nformatting query results. As the responses say, it's available via ftp,\nexcept it's effectively unusuable without two manuals:\nthe \"ODBC Programmer's Reference\" and the \"ODBC SDK Guide\". Moreover,\nODBC doesn't actually interpret SQL and liase with databases, that's \nup to drivers that should be provided by database manufacturers. Also,\nit's Windows only (it's actually an extension to the Windows SDK). \nNevertheless, it's a start at a SQL interface standard, and should\nmake life interesting in the future.\n\nHere's my original post, followed by the responses, separated by \na line of asterisks (*).\n\n> Does anyone know if Borland or Microsoft have libraries for accessing\n> their respective databases (Paradox, FoxPro) from within C programs?\n> I'd really like to be able to build a SQL query string and pass it\n> to a function which returns the query results in some format. Failing\n> that, any other access would still be better than nothing.\n> \n> I'd also like to hear of third party libraries for doing the same thing.\n> \n> If other people are interested, I'll prepare a summary of what I'm\n> told and post it.\n> \n> Thanks to all.\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland has a product called Paradox Engine that does just what you want. \nThe current version is 3.0, which is fully compatible with (ack) Paradox\n4.0.  (Why the versions are different, I don't know. PD Engine 2.0 was\ncompatible with Pdox 3.0 and 3.5...).  It consists of a rather broad\nlibrary of functions for accesing database files from both Pascal (I think\nturbo Pascal 5.5 and up) and C (I think either Microsoft or Borland).\n\nNow.. reading the box... it's \"Borland Paradox Engine & Database\nFrameworks\".  Works with any Borland C\/C++, Mocrosoft C 6.01 or later,\nTurbo C++ for Windows, Turbo Pascal 6.0 or later, TP for Windows 1.0 or\nlater.  For Framework applications, BC++ 3.0 or later or MS C\/C++ 7.0. It\ndoes have support for object useage...\n\nI haven't had a real chance to really use it myself... but it looks fairly\ncomplete... I'm planning to use it this summer.\n-Rick\n-- \n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n|  Rick Osterberg   osterber@husc.harvard.edu  617-493-7784  617-493-3892  |\n|     2032 Harvard Yard Mail Center   Cambridge, MA   02138-7510   USA     |\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland has a product which is called Paradox Engine. \nI do not know about MS.\n\nThe paradox engine I know very well, and it definitiely\nnot a replacement for SQL, but it will enable you to\nsave and restore records, has locking, et al. Supposedly\nthe Paradox for Windows was impemented on top of it.\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------\n\nCharles Parker\t\t\t  Phone.(800) 669 9165\nTechnical Support\t\t\t(617) 498 3321\nCenterLine Software, Inc.\t    Fax.(617) 868 6655\n\ncparker@centerline.com\n                                       cyberspace\nmomma, don't let yer children grow up to be ^ cowboys ...\n---------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI know Borland has a library of routines for accessing PARADOX from within\na C program. They recently came out with version 3.0. This works with both\nBorland and Microsoft's C compiler.\n\n\t\t\t\tshailesh bhobe\n\t\t\t\t(708) 979-7101\n\t\t\t\tatt!psp!smb2\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n  MS has put their ODBC SDK into the public domain; it's\n _big_ (I believe 1.8 MB), but worth downloading over a\n fast link. Look at ftp.uu.net in vendor\/microsoft\/odbc-sdk.\n\n Also some companies are starting to provide SQL engines; I\n just got one for RBASE, not exactly cheap at $450, but it\n allows programs in C or VBASIC (under DOS or Windows) to talk\n to data bases using SQL functions in your code.\n\n hth\n\n Walter Knopf\n Fermilab\n\n knopf@fnal.fnal.gov\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n   Check out the ODBC toolikt from Microsoft.  It is available on\nftp.uu.net:vendor\/microsoft\/odbc-sdk.  This is the way that we've\nchosen to access databases from all of our apps.\nmj\n-- \n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| PPPPP  SSSSSIIIIII   Specialists in MS-Windows and Windows-NT Development  |\n| PP  PPSS      II     Call for information about our OOA\/OOD tool:  OOAiD.  |\n| PPPPP  SSSS   II     Michaeljon Miller                   mikem@apertus.com |\n| PP        SS  II     Proficient Solutions, Inc.               612-860-2181 |\n| PP    SSSSS IIIIII   2877 Holmes Ave So. #5          Minneapolis, MN 55408 |\n+----------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland sells the \"Paradox Engine\" which is a C language interface to\nParadox, dBase, Btrieve, ans ASCI files.  They also sell \"Database Frameworks\"\nwhich includes the engine plus a collection (with source) of C++ classes\nfor using the engine.\n\n-- \nEarl Roethke\neroethke@ems.cdc.com\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI actualy have Paradox Engine.  It is a library of functions (large model)\nfor accessing the Paradox's databases.  It seems to be working fine,\nbut I never did try it thouroughly.  It costs ~200$.\n\nHope it will help you...\n\n\nFrom: David Lefebvre <david@hp817.speedware.com>\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland provides a database lib called Paradox Engine which can access\nand use the database files aswell as many other things.\n\nGary.\n\n-- \n``````````` bell@nellads.cc.monash.edu.au `````````````````````````````````````\n| Gary Bell                                                                   |\n| Department of Robotics and Digital Technology                               |\n|Faculty of Computing, Caulfield Campus, Monash University, Australia         |\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nParadox Engine is the library  for Paradox .\n\n\nArtur Babecki\nartur@ii.uj.edu.pl\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland sells the Paradox Engine -- which has all the Paradox calls in it.\nIts hardly SQL though.  You can do searches on key fields and on \nindivual fields, but no comparison operators like <, >=....\n\nso its pretty painful (in my opinion) do do anything besides simple\nretrieval and inserts\/updates.\n\nI'm currently using it (I have an eval copy..) and I've linked it in to\nsome entry screens I've written.\n\nThe Engine library adds about 100K to the size of the program, but you can\nload it as an overlay using Borland's VROOM manager.\n\nNow Borland claims that later versions of the engine will have SQL support\nbut they don't really expect it till late in the year... or even next year\nThey are trying to get thrid parties to help out..\n\nIf you have any other questions -- let me know...\n\nMike Kamlet\nmike@vpnet.chi.il.us\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nYes, borland sells their Paradox Engine separately.  It has C, C++, and\nPascal interfaces, although the underlying interface is in 'C'. Well at\nleast for version 2.0 of the Engine which I have (costed $99 at Egghead).\nThey now have version 3.0 of the engine, and a separate C++ class package\nfor it.\n\n\n-- \nMichael D. Kersenbrock\nADC Kentrox - Portland, Oregon\nmichaelk@kentrox.com\nuunet!kentrox!michaelk\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI've used AccSys for Paradox (new version is almost ready for Paradox\n4.0) to access Paradox files from C.  Its pretty good.  Not SQL\nthough.  Have heard of Borland Paradox Engine or some such which is\nsupposed to do likewise, but not sure of what it is exactly.\n\nHope this helps, good luck!\nchris\n\nFrom: fernand@slinky.cs.nyu.edu (Christopher Fernandes)\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland sells their \"Paradox Engine (3.0)\".  It's a library of functions\nfor accessing paradox DB files.  It comes with libraries for:\nMS C 7.0\nBCC 3.1\nTurbo Pascal (v??)\nand I believe it comes with Turbo Pascal\/Win libraries as well.\nThe C libraries come in both DOS and Windows flavors (the win stuff \nbeing dll's).  \n\nWhen I got it, it also came with Crystal Reports which\nis a graphical report generator.  It allows you to create a generic\nform and use it within a compiled program using Pdox Engine.  I don't\nknow if they still offer it or what the current price is, I paid \nsomething like $50-$60 for an upgrade from the earlier version though...\n\nHope this helps...\n\n-David Taylor\n---\n|      ->> The Commander <<--\t   | It is easier to change the \t|\n|Internet: gt2847c@prism.gatech.edu| specification to fit the program\t|\n|    Also: dtaylor@cfd.gatech.edu  | than vice-versa.\t\t\t|\n|     And: root@cfd.gatech.edu\t   | -Author Unknown (but very wise :-) |\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n\nIf you want to do SQL from within your programs, check out QuadBase. I don't\nhave their address oops -- yes I do!    :\nQuadBase Systems, Inc.\n790 Lucerne Dr #51\nSunnyvale, CA 94086 (USA)\n\nphone: 408-738-6989 (voice)  408-738-6980 (fax)\n\nAsk for the SQL\/Win demo disk.\n\nIt looked good to me (I have a background in embedded SQL in Ingres -- this\nlooked real similar). It's a little expensive, but if you order the demo\nand then just wait they will probably send you a special offer that'll\nprobably run about $500 US. Good luck!\n\nBest,\n                             Tom DeLosh\n\nFrom: delosh@emunix.emich.edu (Tom Delosh)\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland has the Paradox Engine library.  It has libraries for\nboth C and Pascal to access Paradox files under DOS\/Windows.  \nBut for Paradox, I believe you'd have buy have the SQL Link \nsince Pdox itself isn't SQL compliant.  I've used the engine \nfor over a year now and have been pretty satisfied with it.  \nUnder DOS, it's a real pig.  It tacks on about 120K to the size of \nyour programs.\n\ntim ma\nassociate programmer\nuniversity of utah\nemail:  tim@src.cppa.utah.edu\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI don't know about Microsoft, but Borland sells the Paradox Engine for C\/C++ &\nPascal (in one package).  And if you want dBase compatible files there is a \nlibrary called CodeBase from Sequiter software that works with C\/C++.\n\nFrom: davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com (David J. Ray)\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n\nWe're using Q+E database libraries to do what you describe.\nIt's a set of DLL's accessed through a common API to talk to most of the\nmajor database formats. We're using it to build an application that\nqueries several databases using SQL queries. _All_ access using Q+E is\ndone using SQL. The package is available through Microway in Melbourne. I\nbelieve it is produced by Pioneer Systems in the US. We have no\nassociation with Microway or Pioneer Systems other than being satisfied\ncustomers.  Feel free to mail me for further information.\n\nChris \n(Programming for NSW National Parks and Wildlife Service)\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nChris Hutchinson                       Box U302\nResearch Programmer                    University of New England\nchris@sulaw.law.su.OZ.AU               Armidale NSW 2351\n(067) 727 014\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nParadox Engine 3.0 provides a complete set of C libraries for \naccessing Paradox tables. However, it seems that it supports \nonly Borland\/Turbo C and MicroSoft C. When I tried to compile \nthe engine's sample applications with the Waterloo WATCOM C\/C++\n(32-bit) compiler, it complains that the library file LLIBCE.LIB \nis missing even though I am quite certain that the file is NOT\npart of WATCOM C or the engine. Anybody have any success with \nother C compilers?\n\nRon.K.Ng@hydro.on.ca\n--------------------\n\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nI'm currently developing an app. with Borland's \"Paradox Engine\nfor C\" (it also comes in Pascal), which has recently gone to version 3.0\n(I.e., PX Engine 3.0 is compatible with Paradox 4.0, and downward compat.\nw\/3.5).  There are indeed C libs for Fox access, but I can't think of the\nnames offhand - I'm sure someone has already written you in that regard -\n(I think I just saw an add for a Fox lib in the \"C Users Journal\", which\nis a good place to look for this type of package in general, by the way).\nI've been paying my dues to learn a lot of the quirks of PX Eng. over the\npast year - wouldn't recommend it for a complex multiuser app.--but I'm\nstaying with it for now--it's like a bad marriage: I've got too much time\ninvested in learning and work-arounds!  But if your interest is limited\nto a simple single-user interface (you want to build your own SQL engine,\nI take it), PX Engine will do the job easily - it doesn't sound like\nyou'll be bumping into any of the gotchas.  If you do, write me; I may\nbe able to point you in the right direction.\n\nFrom: raymond@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us (raymond)\n\n****************************************************************************\n\nBorland has a \"Paradox Engine and Database Framework 3.0\" which gives you\na \"C\" (and assembler?) API to Paradox databases.  This is part of \"BOCA\"\n-- Borland's Object Component Architecture.  They have technical briefs\non BOCA, PdoxEng, and other products of theirs.\n\nFrom: jdm@jumbo.Read.TASC.COM (James D. McNamara)\n-------------------  James D. McNamara | TASC  --------------------\n55 Walkers Brook Drive | Reading, MA 01867-3238 | 617-942-2000x2948\n\n****************************************************************************\n\n-- \nJohn Bongiovanni, Systems Analyst, Orbital Engine Company, Perth, Australia\noecjtb@oec4.orbital.dialix.oz.au, bongo@alumni.caltech.edu\nOpinions expressed are my own and not those of my organisation.\n","2267":"From: sommerfeld@apollo.hp.com (Bill Sommerfeld)\nSubject: A little political philosophy worth reading.\nLines: 66\nNntp-Posting-Host: snarfblatt.ch.apollo.hp.com\nOrganization: Hewlett Packard\n\nRead this through once or twice.  Then replace \"prince\" with\n\"government\" or \"president\", as appropriate, and read it again.  \n\n[From Chapter XX of _The Prince_, by N. Macchiavelli, as translated by\nDaniel Donno.]\n\n\tIn order to keep their lands secure, some princes have\ndisarmed their subjects; others have prompted division within the\ncities they have subjugated.  Some have nurtured animosities against\nthemselves; others have sought to win the approval of those they\ninitially distrusted.  Some have erected fortresses; others have\ndestroyed them.  Now, although it is impossible to set down definite\njudgements on all of these measures without considering the particular\ncircumstances of the states where they may be employed, I shall\nnevertheless discuss them in such broad terms as the subject itself\nwill allow.\n\n\tTo begin with, there has never been a case of a new prince\ndisarming his subjects.  Indeed, whenever he found them disarmed, he\nproceeded to arm them.  For by arming your subjects, you make their\narms your own.  Those among them who are suspicious become loyal,\nwhile those who are already loyal remain so, and from subjects they\nare transformed into partisans.  Though you cannot arm them all,\nnonetheless you increase your safety among those you leave unarmed by\nextending privileges to those you arm.  Your different treatment of\nthe two categories will make the latter feel obligated to you, while\nthe former will consider it proper thoat those who assume added duties\nand dangers should receive advantages.  \n\n\tWhen you disarm your subjects, however, you offend them, by\nshowing that, either from cowardliness or from lack of faith, you\ndistrust them; and either conclusion will induce them to hate you.\nMoreover, since it is impossible for you to remain unarmed, you would\nhave to resort to mercenaries, whose limitations have already been\ndiscussed. Even if such troops were good, however, they could never be\ngood enough to defend you from powerful enemies, and doubtful\nsubjects.  Therefore, as I have said, a new prince in a newly acquired\nstate has always taken measures to arm his subjects, and history is\nfull of examples proving that this is so.\n\n\tBut when a prince takes posession of a new state which he\nannexes as an addition to his original domain, then he must disarm all\nthe subjects of the new state except those who helped him to acquire\nit; and these, as time and occasion permit, he must seek to render\nsoft and weak.  He must arrange matters in such a way that the arms of\nthe entire state will be in the hands of soldiers who are native to\nhis original domain.\n\n\t...\n\n\tAnd since the subject demands it, I will not fail to remind\nany prince who has acquired a new state by the aid of its inhabitants\nthat he soundly consider what induced them to assist him; if the\nreason is not natural affection for him, but rather dissatisfaction\nwith the former government, he will find it extremely difficult to\nkeep them friendly, for it will be impossible to please them.  If he\nwill carefully think the matter through in the light of examples drawn\nfrom ancient and modern affairs, he will understand why it is much\neasier to win the favor of those who were happy with their former\ngovernment, and hence were his enemies, than to keep the favor of\nthose who, out of dissatisfaction with the former rule, helped him to\nreplace it.\n\n\n\n\n","2268":"From: gspira@nyx.cs.du.edu (Greg Spira)\nSubject: Re: Jewish Baseball Players?\nOrganization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.\nLines: 4\n\nYou can add Steve Rosenberg, one-time White Sox reliever now in the Mets\nsystem, to the list.\n\nGreg \n","2269":"From: jyow@desire.wright.edu\nSubject: CAMERA: Olympus Stylus, super small\nOrganization:  Wright State University \nLines: 9\n\nOlympus Stylus, 35mm, pocket sized, red-eye reduction, timer, fully automatic.\nTime & date stamp, carrying case.  Smallest camera in its class.\nRated #2 in Consumer Reports.  Excellent condition and only 4 months old.\nWorth $169.95.  Purchased for $130.  Selling for $100.  \n-- \n************************************************************************\nJason Yow\t\t\t\tHuman Factors Psychology Program\nWright State University, Dayton, OH\tE-mail: jyow@desire.wright.edu\n************************************************************************\n","2270":"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer\nSubject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises\nOrganization: Allegheny College\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <120399@netnews.upenn.edu> sepinwal@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Alan  \nSepinwall) writes:\n> \n> Some pleasant (and then some not so pleasant) surprises about the 1993\n> edition of the Bronx Bombers so far.\n> \n> \t4)Wickman. A friend made a comparison between Wickman and Jack\n> \t  Morris - they never have impressive stats but they always\n> \t  find some way to win (although Morris seems to be losing that\n> \t  ability). I figured that Wickman would be the least important\n> \t  part of the Steve Sax trade (best trade since we got that Ruth\n> \t  guy), maybe winding up as a good middle reliever. But I like  \nwhat\n> \t  I've seen so far. He doesn't pitch pretty, but he gets the job  \ndone.\n> \n\n\n\n     Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie of  \nthe year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years, Why  \nbother.\n","2271":"From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)\nSubject: Re: Safe driving prcatices...\nOrganization: NASA Science Internet Project Office\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <5028@cvbnetPrime.COM>, \nrbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:\n\n|> Never dilly-dally in that rear 1\/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass\n|> make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make\n|> sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least\n|> getting into his area of vision.\n\nThis reads a lot like the philosophies of Musashi,\nin the Book of Five Rings. Much of the section on\nthe long sword is that of being strong and decisive.\n\nHmmm. The more things change....\n\n|> Ride with four eyes...\n\nWhat an awfull thing to call your pillion!\n\n|> Rich\n\n|> \"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect\n|>  us from the evil men do in the name of good\"\n\nPower corrupts. Check out the explosion that the\ncryptography policy from the WhiteHouse Friday\nhas caused....\n\n---\nCurt Howland \"Ace\"       DoD#0663       EFF#569\nhowland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre\n     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,\n for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.\n","2272":"From: redsonja@olias.linet.org (Red Sonja)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Long Island Pubnet - long may it rave!\nLines: 60\n\nIn article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes:\n>The key question is whether non-Clipper encryption will be made illegal.\n>\nIt seems pretty obvious that it will be made illegal if VERY LOUD NOISE is\nnot made about this IMMEDIATELY to Congress and the House!\n\n>It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals\n>are coming true.  If the government continues on this course, I imagine\n>that we will see strong cryptography made illegal.  Encryption programs\n>for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted\n>voice communications, will be distributed only through the\n>\"underground\".  People will have to learn how to hide the fact that\n>they are protecting their privacy.\n \nI don't know what's worse - the waste of money, or the fact that (in SPITE\nof all Clinton's rhetoric to the contrary) this is a feeble attempt by\na large group of bored intelligence bureaucrats to justify their currently\nuseless jobs. Clinton said he was going to trim the fat from the government.\nThis doesn't look very dietetic to me! \n\nAs I said before in this group: drug dealing and terrorism both tend to\nbe international crimes which are not going to cease if the US starts to\nregulate encryption. The drug dealers and terrorists will simply go to\nother countries to communicate their plans, and will still carry them out\nhere and\/or wherever else. This is not the solution to the problem.\n\nThey try to invent a new problem by saying we \"need\" encryption. I guess\nit's a good thing Bill Gates isn't a 4-star general or we would all \"need\"\nour own copies of MS-DOS too, right?\n\nUnd vee haff vays uff findink out iff you are usink DOCTOR DOS!!\n\n>It's shocking and frightening to see that this is actually happening here.\n\nOur health care and education systems are in the toilet and they come up\nwith THIS pearl. If this goddamned government doesn't get a clue real quick\nand start trying to repair the infrastructure of the country rather than\ninventing someone to blame, Germany and Japan are going to eat the US alive,\nand we will deserve it. It's not like there's any shortage of REAL problems\nto solve, guys! \n\nA Clipper chip is really going to help the homeless! A Clipper chip is\nreally going to help educate the children in the ghettos of our cities!\nJust think of the generation gap that can be developed when they rehire\nDoD engineer dad to work on Clipper chips that will be used to decrypt\nslightly rebellious adolescent hacker son's naughty GIF files! I can see\nthe shitcom already.\n\nIf that wasn't a forged post or a sick joke, I'm popping that Dead Kennedys\ntape into the car stereo and tearing ass to Canada. Clinton on White Horse\nis near. It's the suede\/denim secret police! They have come for your uncool\nniece! Don't worry it's only a phone...shit, I knew I should have gotten\nsome of those \"consent to monitoring\" stickers they keep on Autovon phones\nwhen I had the chance. I should have known I'd need them in civilian life.\n\n-- \nredsonja@olias.linet.org     \\\\\\RS\/\/\/     Self possession is 9\/10 of the law.\nAlien: \"We control the laws of nature!\" | \"How come when it's human, it's an\nJoel: \"And you still dress that way?\"   | abortion, but when it's a chicken, \n(MST3K#17 - Gamera vs Guiron)           | it's an omelet?\" - George Carlin\n","2273":"From: fsmlm2@acad3.alaska.edu (Rebelheart)\nSubject: ALASKA CAR SHOW\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41.UAC\nKeywords: Car Show, Peninsula Cruisers, Kenai, Alaska\nNntp-Posting-Host: acad3.alaska.edu\nOrganization: R.E.B.E.L.H.E.A.R.T.\nLines: 32\n\n        PENINSULA CRUISERS THIRD ANNUAL AUTOFAIRE\n\nWHAT:  CAR SHOW (FOR ANY AND ALL TYPES OF VEHICLES INCLUDING PEDAL CARS)\nWHERE:  KENAI MALL, KENAI, ALASKA\nWHEN:  MAY 14, 15, & 16, 1993\nWHO: PENINSULA CRUISERS CAR CLUB, KENAI, AK (907-283-4979)\nWHY:  PROCEEDS OF THIS EVENT TO BENEFIT THE COOPER LANDING AMBULANCE CORPS.\n\nGENERAL:  THIS CAR SHOW IS OPEN TO ALL TYPES OF CARS, TRUCKS, MOTORCYCLES, \n          FACTORY AND MODIFIED, MILD TO WILD, ANTIQUE, SPECIAL INTERESTS,       \n          RACE, DRAG, MUDDERS, HI-PO, OR JUST PLAIN  UGLY :)\n\nTHIS IS A FUN EVENT, INTENDED FOR THE OCCASSIONAL GEAR-HEAD TO THE MOST\nSERIOUS GEAR-SLAMMER.  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The needles were taken\n>from a dirty drawer in an instrument cart and were most certainly NOT\n>sterile or even clean for that matter.  More than likely they were fresh\n>from the previous patient.  I WAS concerned, but I kept my mouth shut.  I\n>probably should have raised hell!\n\tCould you describe in more detail the above procedure?  I've never\nheard about it.\n\tAnd yes, if they pierced you with the needles you probably should have\nprotested. \n\neuclid\n \n--\nEuclid K.       standard disclaimers apply\n\"It is a bit ironic that we need the wave model [of light] to understand the\npropagation of light only through that part of the system where it leaves no\ntrace.\"  --Hudson & Nelson (_University_Physics_)\n","2275":"Subject: After-Market Cruise Controls: Specific Questions\nFrom: MikeW@Canc.byu.edu (M.D. (Mike) Wieda)\nOrganization: BYU\nNntp-Posting-Host: 128.187.203.40\nLines: 82\n\nHowdy,\n\nI'm a little new to this newsgroup, but I would like to tap some of the\nknowledge and expertise available here.\n\nThe Subject:  After-market cruise controls\n\nThe Background:\nI recently broke my ankle in a road-bicycling accident (4 places, five \nscrews, yuk! :-( ).  In two weeks I will be returning to Texas (my\nhome) from my school (BYU) in Provo, Utah.  As you can imagine, trying to\ndrive nearly 1300 miles with a broken right ankle isn't just the epitome of\na good time.  My car does not have a cruise control, so I would have to do\nall the pedalling (ha ha) with my messed-up ankle.\n\nMy question:\nWhat is the general opinion of after-market cruise control units?  I\nrealize that a cheap CC (cruise control) from, say, Pep Boys, isn't going to\nbe as good as a factory or professionally installed unit (if there is such a\nthing).  And I uderstand that I probably can't expect much in the way of\naccuracy, looks and that sort of thing;  But anything's gotta be better than\ntrying to drive with a hosed ankle.\n\nI have a 1984 Jeep Cherokee, 4 speed, standard, 4*4, 2.5L engine with\nkettering(sp?) ignition (y'know, distributor cap, rotor, that set-up--not\nelectronic.  Maybe you could've guessed it being an '84, but I'm just trying\nto give information as completly as I can).\n\nI found a CC unit for 80 bucks.  It seems to use the vehicles vacuum system \ninstead of an electric servor\/motor.  Is this good or bad?  If I did buy\nthis CC, which vacuum hose should I tap?\n\nIt has two speed sensors:  One magnetic, and one that gets a signal from the \nnegative side of the distributor, kinda like a tach pick-up, or so I\nunderstand.  I can use either one.  Which is best?  The manual says (I read\nit in the store today) that the magnetic\/axle set-up is more accurate, but\nharder to install.  Is there really a big difference?\n\nIt has a sensor for the brake pedal, just like other CCs, but does NOT have a\nsensor for the clutch pedal.  So if I wasn't paying real close attention I\nmight push the clutch in while the cruise is trying to get the speed up.  Which\nwould wind the engine up kinda high until I got my wits about me and turned \nthe thing off.  I'm pretty coordinated, so this doesn't bother me, if it\nwere for my girlfriends car, *then* it would bother me, but I'm ok with it.\n\nThe installation also calls for an attachment to a steady-on brake signal\nand a switched-on brake signal.  I think I can get a switched brake signal\nfrom the correct side of the brake light blade fuse.  Am I right?  But I'm\nnot sure where to get the steady-on brake signal, or, for that matter, what\nexactly it is?  Any ideas as to what the manufaturer wants and where to get\nit?\n\nI think I can figure the other things out.  Like how to hook-up the negative\nside tach-type sensing gizmo and the cabin control unit, and the ground and\nall that miscellaneous business.  But I need a little help with:\n\n\t1.  Is it worth the money and safety risk (if any) for such a\n\t    device?\n\t2.  Is there any particularly good after-market CC?\n\t3.  Are \"professionally\" installed CCs signifacantly better and\n\t    worth the cabbage?\n\t4.  If the unit I saw (sorry, no manufacturer or model number, just\n\t    that it is at Pep Boy and its $80) is sufficient for my simple \n\t    needs, how do I get the thing installed properly (specifically,\n\t    the questions above)?\n\nMy father and I built a \"Veep\" (Volkswagen powered Jeep CJ-2A) when I was in\nhigh school, so I consider myself fairly good with tools, electronics, and\ncars.  So the installation doesn't scare me.  I just want to be certain that\nI get the thing installed correctly as my Cherokee is just a wee bit more\ncomplicated than my Veep. :-)\n\nI appreciate your time in reading my post, and I would appreciate any\nexpertise or opinion anybody has on the subject.  If you would like to share\nsome of your wisdom, please email as I don't get over this group very often\n(but I check my mail all the time).\n\nAgain, thanks for any help anyone may have.\n\nMike Wieda\nMikew@canc.byu.edu\n\n","2276":"From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)\nSubject: Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?\nOrganization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: enterprise.bih.harvard.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.084258.1040@ida.liu.se> davpa@ida.liu.se\n (David Partain) writes:\n>Someone I know has recently been diagnosed as having Candida Albicans, \n>a disease about which I can find no information.  Apparently it has something\n>to do with the body's production of yeast while at the same time being highly\n>allergic to yeast.  Can anyone out there tell me any more about it?\n\nCandida albicans can cause severe life-threatening infections, usually\nin people who are otherwise quite ill.  This is not, however, the sort\nof illness that you are probably discussing.\n\n\"Systemic yeast syndrome\" where the body is allergic to\nyeast is considered a quack diagnosis by mainstream medicine.  There\nis a book \"The Yeast Connection\" which talks about this \"illness\".\n\nThere is no convincing evidence that such a disease exists.\n-- \nDavid Rind\nrind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu\n","2277":"From: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu (Sadun Anik)\nSubject: Re: Win NT - what is it???\nOrganization: Center for Reliable and High-Performance Computing\nLines: 45\n\t<rick.734972416@silver> <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lyra.crhc.uiuc.edu\nIn-reply-to: reimert@.etdesg.trw.com's message of Fri, 16 Apr 93 21:34:28 GMT\n\nIn article <2BCF2664.3C6A@deneva.sdd.trw.com> reimert@.etdesg.trw.com (Scott P. Reimert) writes:\n\n>   Somewhere in this thread, it has been said that Windows NT (tm) is a \n>   multi-user OS, as well as multi-threading, etc.  I certainly haven't\n>   seen this to be the case.  There are seperate accounts for each person,\n>   and even seperate directories if that is desired.  I don't see an \n>   implentation of simultaneuos use though.\n>\n>\t\t   Scott\n\nIt certainly is multi-user. What I have seen from the March Beta is\nthat it doesn't yet come with the stuff which exploits multi-user\nfeatures. I remember somebody from MS stating that it doesn't allow\ntwo users share one GUI. My interpretation of this was that one user\nper console but all the networking and RPC based stuff you want. \n\nI believe ftp and rlogin deamons for NT systems will come from third\nparty. Somebody already has a Beta version of an unsecure ftpd on the\nnet. There is no reason why one cannot write a posix based shell like\ncsh on Unix for remote logins. \n\nIn general I liked NT when I checked it out. It slow compared to\nWin3.1 (just like any other real OS). The beta version, although being\nslow, botts up much faster than my SUN workstation. Windows subsystems\nalso start up a lot faster than X windows. I believe Bill Gates was\nright when he stated that NT was not for everybody. After playing\naround with it for a while I was convinced. If I owned a busines using\na \"business computer\" from IBM or some other established vendor, I\nwould consider moving to NT platform because it would provide a much\ncheaper solution (If you are running SQL servers etc.). It provides\nthe robustness such an application requires. \n\nOn the other hand if you like your DOS games, more or less forget\nabout NT. You can always boot to DOS  but in general that defeats\nthe purpose of using NT. Most of NT's features are visible in a\nnetworked environment and in such an environment you can't reboot your\nmachine at will. For personal use, I would rather wait for the Win32\nbased Windows release (whatever you name it) than jump to NT bandwagon.\nI expect most applications will keep on using Win16 until Win32\nbecomes widely available. \n\n--\nSadun Anik, U of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign\nCenter for Reliable and High-performance Computing\ne-mail: anik@crhc.uiuc.edu\n","2278":"From: mlogan@thurman.prime.com (Max Logan x2313 5-1)\nSubject: Re: New Home for the Bosox!!!\nLines: 20\n\nMIF101@psuvm.psu.edu writes:\n> \n>    I heard about a month back that the Red Sox are getting a new dome stadium.\n> I have relatives that just moved up that way, and they said about the city\n> releasing the funds.  Can anybody verify this?\n> to a game\n> \n>                                               Bosox fan in Pa\n\nI have lived in the Boston area for 15 years now.  They have been talking\nabout a new Boston Garden (hockey\/basketball) since I've lived here.  One\nday the \"last hurdle\" has been overcome, and the next day there's a new\nhurdle.  Fans have been grumbling about Foxboro Stadium (or whatever it's\ncalled this year) for nearly as long, but there are only preliminary\nproposals for a new stadium.  Local politics prevents anything from being\ndone in a timely fashion.  There will not be a new ballpark in my\nlifetime.\n\nMax Logan\nNashua NH\n","2279":"From: C445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu (John Kelsey)\nSubject: Clipper chip and key exchange methods\nNntp-Posting-Host: mizzou1.missouri.edu\nOrganization: University of Missouri\nLines: 13\n\n   I was wanting to ask the same question Dan Bernstein asked--how does the\nClipper chip exchange keys?  If the public key is only 80 or 160 bits long,\ndoes anyone know of any public-key schemes that are secure with that key\nsize?  (Diffie-Hellman or maybe El Gamal, with p set to a constant value?)\n   Presumably, the real scheme is something like:\n \n   1.  Exchange\/verify public keys.\n   2.  Send encrypted (randomly-generated) session key.\n   3.  Encrypt \/ Decrypt voice trafic with some sort of fast stream cipher.\n \n   Can anyone elaborate on this, or show me what I'm missing here?\n \n   --John Kelsey, c445585@mizzou1.missouri.edu\n","2280":"From: Brian Austin Fraze <bf25+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: TIGERS\nOrganization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 4\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <93104.100921RK0VSANU@MIAMIU.BITNET>\n\nI basically agree, the Tigers are my favorite team.  Actually, their\npitching might actually be better this year than last (not that htat's\nsaying a hole lot). How 'bout that home opener on Tuesday!! By the way,\nSparky goes for win 2,000 today. \n","2281":"From: bdunn@cco.caltech.edu (Brendan Dunn)\nSubject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 8\nNNTP-Posting-Host: punisher.caltech.edu\n\nThanks to whoever posted this wonderful parody of people who post without \nreading the FAQ!  I was laughing for a good 5 minutes.  Were there any \nparts of the FAQ that weren't mentioned?  I think there might have been one\nor two...\n\nPlease don't tell me this wasn't a joke.  I'm not ready to hear that yet...\n\nBrendan\n","2282":"From: Grant@DOCKMASTER.NCSC.MIL (Lynn R Grant)\nSubject: Re: Key Registering Bodies\nOrganization: Yale CS Mail\/News Gateway\nLines: 22\n\nIf we do not trust the NSA to be a registrar of Clipper Chip key halves,\nI would not trust Mitre either.  Mitre does lots of work for NSA, at least\nin the Trusted Product Evaluation Program (evaluation of commercial off the\nshelf software for its efficacy in safeguarding classified information), and\nI assume in other, less open, programs.\n\nThere are at least two other FFRDCs (Federally Funded Research and Development\nCorporations) that work for NSA: Aerospace Corporation and the Institute for\nDefense Analysis.  Now, if NSA were to be untrustworthy (a position that I\nam neutral about, for purposes of this posting), it would be in a position to\nexert economic pressure upon Mitre to release key halves on demand.  It could\njust say, \"If you don't cooperate with us, we'll place all our evaluation\ncontracts with Aerospace and IDA.\"\n\nI am not saying that people at NSA, Mitre, Aerospace, or IDA are dishonest\nfolk.  But since they are people, and people occasionally go bad, the\nsystem works better if organizations that you are depending upon to be\nindependent really are.\n\nAnd, of course, I speak for myself, not my employer.\n\nLynn Grant\n","2283":"From: cain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu (Joe Cain)\nSubject: Re: Keeping Spacecraft on after Funding Cuts.\nOrganization: Florida State University Geology Dept.\nLines: 4\n\nThis discussion is better followed in talk.politics.space\nJoseph Cain\t\tcain@geomag.gly.fsu.edu   \ncain@fsu.bitnet\t\tscri::cain\n(904) 644-4014\t\tFAX (904) 644-4214 or -0098\n","2284":"From: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com (Dave Medin)\nSubject: Transmitter tube\nReply-To: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\nOrganization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville AL\nLines: 17\n\nI've got an Eimac 818A\/4PR1000A transmitter\/linear amplifier tube,\nunused, in original packaging (but opened and inventoried). I'd\nguarantee this tube to operate and be as observation and its\npaperwork say (unused), although I have no transmitter to test it\nwith. Offers?\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------\n       Dave Medin\t\t\tPhone:\t(205) 730-3169 (w)\n    SSD--Networking\t\t\t\t(205) 837-1174 (h)\n    Intergraph Corp.\n       M\/S GD3004 \t\tInternet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com\n  Huntsville, AL 35894\t\tUUCP:  ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin\n\n   ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******\n\n * The opinions expressed here are mine (or those of my machine)\n","2285":"From: spl@pitstop.ucsd.edu (Steve Lamont)\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nOrganization: University of Calif., San Diego\/Microscopy and Imaging Resource\nLines: 24\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pitstop.ucsd.edu\n\nIn article <C5stEL.K0E@boi.hp.com> dianem@boi.hp.com (Diane Mathews) writes:\n>>Dear Brother Bill,\n>>\n>>One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just \n>>wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take?\n>\n>  So do you want the president to specifically order each and every activity\n>of the FBI, or what?  And how willing are you to blame Reagan and Bush,\n>directly, for the incidents that took place in the War on Drugs in their\n>administration?  Are you going to blame Bush for the fact that Weaver's wife,\n>infant, son were killed?  It happened while he was president.\n\n... or consider the thousands in Central America killed by those brave\nCIA\/NSC sponsored \"Freedom Fighters.\"\n\nThus far, Slick Willie is a piker.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tspl\n\n-- \nSteve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu\nSan Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource\/UC San Diego\/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608\n\"My other car is a car, too.\"\n                 - Bumper strip seen on I-805\n","2286":"From: jhcox@kodak.com (James Cox)\nSubject: Xterm Problem With Input Focus \/ \"Shuffle Up\"\nKeywords: Xterm, Tektronics, Input Focus, Shuffle up\nOrganization: Eastman Kodak Company, Rochester NY\nLines: 41\nNntp-Posting-Host: b56vxg\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41\n\n\nThe situation: running a Fortran executable that creats an Xterm.  An option\nin the menu contained in the Xterm runs a Fortran subroutine that creats\na Tektronics-mode Xterm for displaying some graphics.  Typing a <RET> while\nthe Tektronics-mode Xterm (future reference to this will be \"Tek-term\") is\nactive makes the Xterm read future keystrokes but does not shift input focus\nto the Xterm (I'm basing that statement on the fact that the border of the \nTek-term stays the highlighted color and that the Tek-term stays on top of\nXterm.  If what I'm describing isn't input focus, let me know.)  \n\nThe xterm can be brought to the top by clicking the mouse button on it.\n\nSubsequent selections from the Xterm of the menu item that displays graphics \nhighlihts the border and displays the updated graphics, but does not move \nthe Tek-term to the top.  If the Tek-term has been iconized to conserve \nscreen space, it stays an icon.\n\n\nThe desired behavior: one of two options - \n\n    1. Whichever of the windows that is active is always on top of the \n       inactive one.\n\n    2. Whenever the Tek-term is inactivated, it should revert to a icon\n       but when it is activated it should become a window on a higher \n       level than the Xterm.\n\nWhat I think I need: a means of specifying that a Xterm or Tek-term will\nbe at the highest level and a way to iconify\/expand a Xterm and Tek-term.\nThese commands, would, I'd guess, need to be in the Fortran or in the \ncommand that starts up the Xterm and Tek-term.\n\nOther information: All this is taking place on a VT-1300 (a DEC dumb \nX-windows terminal) connected to a VAX running VMS and Motif.\n\nThanks for your time.  If you've got any words of wisdom (other than \n\"give up\" ;-), please send email to \n\njhcox@Kodak.com\n\n\n","2287":"From: c5ff@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (COOK  Charlie)\nSubject: NHL Summary parse results for games played Fri, April 16, 1993\nOrganization: University of New Brunswick\nLines: 123\n\nPhiladelphia                     1 1 2 1--5\nHartford                         1 2 1 0--4\nFirst period\n     1, Hartford, Nylander 10 (unassisted) 8:51.\n     2, Philadelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour) pp, 19:59.\nSecond period\n     3, Hartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron) 2:00.\n     4, Philadelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi) 7:09.\n     5, Hartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson) 9:38.\nThird period\n     6, Hartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels) pp, 1:24.\n     7, Philadelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich) 3:11.\n     8, Philadelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel) 3:38.\nOvertime\n     9, Philadelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust) 1:15.\n\nPhiladelphia: 5    Power play: 4-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBeranek            1    0    1\nBowen              1    0    1\nBrind'Amour        0    2    2\nEklund             0    1    1\nFaust              1    1    2\nLindros            0    1    1\nLomakin            0    1    1\nRecchi             1    1    2\nRoussel            0    1    1\nYushkevich         1    1    2\n\nHartford: 4    Power play: 4-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nBurt               1    0    1\nCassels            0    1    1\nCunneyworth        0    1    1\nKron               1    1    2\nNylander           2    0    2\nSanderson          0    2    2\nZalapski           0    1    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nNew Jersey                       0 3 1--4\nNY Islanders                     3 3 2--8\nFirst period\n     1, NY Islanders, Turgeon 56 (unassisted) 4:11.\n     2, NY Islanders, Thomas 36 (Malakhov, King) pp, 5:58.\n     3, NY Islanders, Ferraro 14 (Dalgarno, Malakhov) 18:16.\nSecond period\n     4, New Jersey, Niedermayer 11 (Richer, Nicholls) 0:41.\n     5, NY Islanders, Mullen 18 (Vaske, Dalgarno) 1:15.\n     6, NY Islanders, Thomas 37 (Hogue, Norton) 2:12.\n     7, New Jersey, Zelepukin 23 (unassisted) 17:11.\n     8, New Jersey, Richer 38 (Nicholls, Daneyko) 17:23.\n     9, NY Islanders, Hogue 33 (Flatley, Ferraro) 18:42.\nThird period\n     10, NY Islanders, Turgeon 57 (unassisted) 3:45.\n     11, New Jersey, Semak 37 (Lemieux, Driver) 9:06.\n     12, NY Islanders, Turgeon 58 (King, Pilon) 10:21.\n\nNY Islanders: 8    Power play: 4-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nDalgarno           0    2    2\nFerraro            1    1    2\nFlatley            0    1    1\nHogue              1    1    2\nKing               0    2    2\nMalakhov           0    2    2\nMullen             1    0    1\nNorton             0    1    1\nPilon              0    1    1\nThomas             2    0    2\nTurgeon            3    0    3\nVaske              0    1    1\n\nNew Jersey: 4    Power play: 2-0\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nDaneyko            0    1    1\nDriver             0    1    1\nLemieux            0    1    1\nNicholls           0    2    2\nNiedermayer        1    0    1\nRicher             1    1    2\nSemak              1    0    1\nZelepukin          1    0    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\nNY Rangers                       1 0 1--2\nWashington                       1 1 2--4\nFirst period\n     1, NY Rangers, Graves 36 (Zubov, Andersson) 6:17.\n     2, Washington, Ridley 26 (unassisted) 18:33.\nSecond period\n     3, Washington, Hatcher 34 (Johansson) 12:19.\nThird period\n     4, Washington, Jones 12 (May) 2:49.\n     5, Washington, Cote 21 (Khristich, Pivonka) pp, 18:55.\n     6, NY Rangers, Gartner 45 (Amonte, Andersson) pp, 19:50.\n\nWashington: 4    Power play: 7-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nCote               1    0    1\nHatcher            1    0    1\nJohansson          0    1    1\nJones              1    0    1\nKhristich          0    1    1\nMay                0    1    1\nPivonka            0    1    1\nRidley             1    0    1\n\nNY Rangers: 2    Power play: 4-1\nScorer            G    A   Pts\n---------------  ---  ---  ---\nAmonte             0    1    1\nAndersson          0    2    2\nGartner            1    0    1\nGraves             1    0    1\nZubov              0    1    1\n\n-----------------------------------------\n","2288":"From: news&aio.jsc.nasa.gov (USENET News System)\nSubject: Re: Oily skin - problem?\nArticle-I.D.: aio.1993Apr6.133244.14717\nDistribution: sci.med\nOrganization: Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co.\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.044140.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu>, u92_hwong@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes:\n> \n> Hi there,\n> \n> \tI have a very oily skin.  My problem is when I wash my face, it becomes\n> oily in half an hour.  Especially in the nose region.  Is this an illness?  How\n> can I prevent it from occuring in such short time?  Is there a cleanser out\n> there that will do a better job -- that is after cleaning, my face won't become\n> oily in such a short time.\n> \n> \tThank you for any suggestion.\n> \n>if this is a disease, everyone should have it.  My skin has always been oily -\ni used to say \"if i were hot enough, you could fry an egg on my oily face\".\ni am now 50 yrs old and my skin looks younger (i'm told) than some people's\nskin at 30 (it's still oily).  i have only a very few tiny wrinkles.  Thank\nyour lucky stars for that skin. \n","2289":"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu\nSubject: Re: proof of resurection\nOrganization: The Claremont Graduate School\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <Apr.20.03.01.50.1993.3776@geneva.rutgers.edu>, jcj@tellabs.com (jcj) writes:\n> In article <Apr.16.23.15.09.1993.1823@geneva.rutgers.edu> smayo@world.std.com (Scott A Mayo) writes:\n>>...\n>>I think Christianity goes down in flames if the resurrection is\n>>ever disproved. ...\n> \n> Didn't Paul write that if the Resurrection is not true, we are the\n> biggest fools of all?  However, whether you believe in Christ or not,\n> His teachings (e.g. love your brotherman as yourself), even if only \n> followed at a secular level, could do a great deal to alleviate some of \n> the problems we see today in the world.  Even when I was a rabid atheist \n> I couldn't deny that.\n> \n> Jeff Johnson\n> jcj@tellabs.com\n\nWe also cannot fail to note the intense suffering a devastation which has been\nwrecked on our world because of Christians -- who were certain they were\nfollowing Christ.  From Captialist who have polluted the enviorment in strict\nobedience to the Gensis command to subdue the earth, to Nazi's who have\n\"justly\"\npunished the Jews for the killing Christ (as well as the other progroms), the\ninnocent women who were burned alive in accordance with \"you shall not allow a\nwitch to live\", the Moslems who were killed in the Crusades, the god-fearing\nmen destroyed by the inquistion.  The religious wars in Spain, France, England,\netc.  Christianity has undoubtedly caused the most suffering and needless loss\nof life by individuals whose certainity that they were following the\ninstructions therein, was unquestionable.  There is much to grieve.\n\nrandy\n","2290":"From: thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)\nSubject: Players Overpaid?\nArticle-I.D.: midway.1993Apr5.231343.17894\nReply-To: thf2@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago\nLines: 42\n\nThere's a lot of whining about how much players are overpaid.  I thought\nI'd put together an underpaid team that could win a pennant.  I splurged\nand let four of the players earn as much as half a million dollars; the\nhighest-paid player is Frank Thomas, at $900K.  I cut some players, like\nKenny Lofton, Chris Hoiles, Keith Mitchell, Tim Wakefield, and a bunch\nof pitchers, all of whom could have arguably made the team better at a\ncost of $1 million for the lot of them.  The total team salary is \n$7,781,500, averaging slightly over $300K a player.  If that's too steep,\nyou can dump Thomas and Bagwell, replacing them with Paul Sorrento and\na minimum wager to save a bit over a million dollars, and still have one\nof the best teams in the majors.\n\np, Juan Guzman, 500\np, Mussina,\t400\np, Castillo,    250\np, Eldred,      175\np, Rhodes,\t155\np, Militello,   118\nrp, Rojas,\t300\nrp, Beck,\t250\nrp, Melendez,   235\nrp, Hernandez,\t185\nrp, Nied,\t150\nc, Rodriguez,\t275\nc, Piazza,      126\n1b, Thomas,\t900\n1b, Bagwell,    655\n2b, Knoblauch,\t500\n2b, Barberie,\t190\n3b, Gomez,\t312.5\n3b, Palmer,\t250\nss, Listach,\t350\nss, Pena,\t170\nlf, Gonzalez,\t525\ncf, Lankford,\t290\nrf, R.Sanders,\t275\nof, Plantier,\t245\n-- \nted frank                 | \"However Teel should have mentioned that though \nthf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu |  his advice is legally sound, if you follow it \nthe u of c law school     |  you will probably wind up in jail.\"\nstandard disclaimers      |                    -- James Donald, in misc.legal\n","2291":"From: VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)\nSubject: Re: AMA Support Brady Bill\nLines: 27\nOrganization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education\n\nIn article <1r044aINNh9f@tamsun.tamu.edu> dlb5404@tamuts.tamu.edu (Daryl Biberdorf) writes:\n\n>The following was sent to me by a friend of mine (a med student).  It\n>originally appeared in a medical discussion list.\n>\n>--GUN CONTROL - The AMA expressed support for S. 414 and H.R. 1025 (the \"Brady\n>--Handgun Violence Prevention Act\").  Citing its strong support for the \"Brady\n>--Bill\" in past Congresses, the AMA termed as \"particularly alarming\" violence\n>--associated with, and stemming from, the widespread and easy availability and\n>--use of firearms.  The AMA proceeded to comment:  \"While we recognize that a\n>--waiting period of 5 business days before a handgun purchase will not address\n>--all of the difficult problems that have made violence so prevalent in our\n>--society, we believe that it is a beginning and will save lives.  Physicians\n>--are first-hand witnesses to the horrendous cost in human life being exacted\n>--by firearm violence. A reasonable waiting period before the purchase of a\n>--handgun is a protection that the American people deserve.\"  (Letters to\n>--Senator Howard M. Metzenbaum and Representative Charles E. Schumer; March 11,\n>--1993.)\n\n       I wonder if the AMA has an exact listing of \"lives saved\" in \nTennessee, California, and other waiting period states.\n\n------------------------------------------------------------------------\nDavid Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\nPA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - \"I still remember the way you laughed, the day\nyour pushed me down the elevator shaft;  I'm beginning to think you don't\nlove me anymore.\" - \"Weird Al\"\n","2292":"From: ewang@ucsee.Berkeley.EDU (Edward Wang)\nSubject: Widget source code needed\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 10\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ucsee.berkeley.edu\n\nI'm considering writing my own widgets, but I like to have some sample\nwidget source code to look over first.  Where could I find something\nlike this?  Are there any archives accessible by anonymous ftp that contain \nsuch information?\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tThanks,\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\tEdward\n\n\n\n","2293":"From: balog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Eric J Balog)\nSubject: SWITCH 3.5\" TO A:?\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania\nLines: 39\nNntp-Posting-Host: eniac.seas.upenn.edu\n\nHi!\n\nI'd like to switch my floppy drives so that my 3.5\" b: drive becomes a:, while\nmy 5.25\" a: becomes b:. I'm having a few problems, though.\n\nI know that the ribbon cable must be switched, as well as the CMOS settings, \nto reflect this change, and I think that I've done that correctly. However, the\ndrives do not operate correctly in this configuration. From the C:> prompt, if \nI type a:, the 5.25\" drive light comes on; if I type b:, both the light for the\n5.25\" and 3.5\" drives come on.\n\nThere are some jumpers on each drive:\n5.25\"  Label   Original Pos.   Pos. I changed it to\n        DS0      ON               OFF\n\tDS1\t OFF\t\t  ON\n\tDS2\t ON\t\t  ON\n\tDS3\t OFF\t\t  OFF\n\tIO\t OFF\t\t  OFF\n\tMS1\t OFF\t\t  OFF\n\tD-R\t ON \t\t  ON\n\tMS2\t ON\t\t  ON\n\tFG\t OFF\t\t  OFF\n\n3.5\"    DS0\t OFF\t\t  ON\n\tDS1\t ON\t\t  OFF\n\tDS2\t OFF\t\t  OFF\n\tDS3\t OFF\t\t  OFF\n\tMM\t ON\t\t  ON\n\tDC\t ON\t\t  ON\n\tMD\t OFF\t\t  OFF\n\tTTL\/C-MO8 ON\t\t  ON\n\n\nAny help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nEric Balog\nbalog@eniac.seas.upenn.edu\n","2294":"From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)\nSubject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?\nNntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.iscp.bellcore.com\nOrganization: Bellcore\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 13\n\nIf I have one thing to say about \"No Fault\" it would be\n\"It isn't\"\n-- \n##########################################################\nThere are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES \n                 and TARGETS !!!\n#1\/XS1100LH\tDoD #956   #2 Next raise\nRichard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063\nInternet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  \n#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!\nI Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo\nin the same store.\n\n","2295":"From: ls116@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Lei  Shao)\nSubject: Re: TrueType fonts that display but do not print.\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: ls116@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Lei  Shao)\nOrganization: Columbia University\nDistribution: na\nLines: 31\n\nIn article <1993Apr17.134725.15882@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> avinash@silver.lcs.mit.edu (Avinash Chopde) writes:\n>I just installed a new TrueType font under MS-Windows 3.1\n>but though all the applications display the font correctly on the\n>screen, quite a few of them fail to print out the document correctly\n>(on a LaserJet 4 - non-PostScript printer).\n>\n>When I use the font in CorelDRAW, the document prints correctly, so I assume\n>CorelDRAW knows that the font has to be downloaded to the printer.\n>\n>But when I use the Windows accessory Write, the printer prints square\n>boxes in place of the characters of the new font. Yet, Write does\n>display the font correctly on the screen.\n>\n>I looked through all the Windows and LaserJet manuals, but got nowhere.\n>All of them just make the statement that TrueType fonts will print\n>exactly as you see them on the screen---so I assume Windows knows that a font\n>has to be downloaded automatically---but, how to make it do that????\n>\n>Appreciate any help....\n\n\tI assume you're using the driver available from cica (hp4-v108.zip).\nBring up the setup screen of the printer through control panel. Click on the\n\"Options\" button brings up another screen of choices. Change the \"Graphics\nMode\" from \"HP-GL\/2\" to \"Raster\" and check the box \"Print Truetype as graphics\n(this is only available when you choose \"Raster\"). Now you should be able to\nprint all your truetype fonts correctly. Good luck.\n\n\nLei Shao\nls116@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu\n\n","2296":"From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)\nSubject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: sgi\nLines: 46\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com\n\nIn article <1qlf7gINN8sn@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:\n|> \n|> >In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the\n|> >\"goal\" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive.\n|> \n|> That's right.  Humans have gone somewhat beyond this though.  Perhaps\n|> our goal is one of self-actualization.\n\nHumans have \"gone somewhat beyond\" what, exactly?    In one thread\nyou're telling us that natural morality is what animals do to\nsurvive, and in this thread you are claiming that an omniscient\nbeing can \"definitely\" say what is right and what is wrong.   So\nwhat does this omniscient being use for a criterion?   The long-\nterm survival of the human species, or what?\n\nHow does omniscient map into \"definitely\" being able to assign\n\"right\" and \"wrong\" to actions?\n\n|> \n|> >But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long\n|> >term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some \n|> >other species, either terrestrial or alien.\n|> \n|> Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me.  This\n|> was not part of the original premise.\n\nWell, your \"original premises\" have a habit of changing over time,\nso perhaps you'd like to review it for us, and tell us what the\ndifference is between an omniscient being be able to assign \"right\"\nand \"wrong\" to actions, and telling us the result, is. \n\n|> \n|> >Does that make it moral to do so?\n|> \n|> Which type of morality are you talking about?  In a natural sense, it\n|> is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't\n|> adversely affect your own, I guess).\n\nI'm talking about the morality introduced by you, which was going to\nbe implemented by this omniscient being that can \"definitely\" assign\n\"right\" and \"wrong\" to actions.\n\nYou tell us what type of morality that is.\n\njon.\n","2297":"From: wchau@acsu.buffalo.edu (Wun-Chun Chau)\nSubject: MFM controller, copy card for sale\nOrganization: UB\nLines: 13\nNntp-Posting-Host: buttercup.eng.buffalo.edu\n\n\n16 bit MFM FD\/HD controller \t- $25\/b.o.\n\ncopy card w\/ software and cable\t- $30\/b.o.\n(can copy any protected software)\n\nif interested, please reply to this account\n\n-- \n==wun-chun Chau===============================What a crazy world!=============\nINTERNET:wchau@eng.buffalo.edu UUCP: ...!{rutgers,uunet}!cs.buffalo.edu!wchau\nINTERNET:wchau@cs.buffalo.edu  BITNET: wchau%cs.buffalo.edu@ubvm.bitnet\n===============Do you want to die young? If you know what I mean :) ==========\n","2298":"Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)\nFrom: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Winona State University\nNntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu\nLines: 11\n\nIn article <3aX42B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) wrote:\n> \n> \tIt can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, [...] Hey they even \n>  had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find accesssories for. \n\n\tI second that.  They even had sprockets for my R100rs - _very_ hard\n\tto find.\n\n====================================================\nJohn Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona\n                    All standard disclaimers apply.\n","2299":"From: wsanders@spectrum.xerox.com (bob hosid r382-423)\nSubject: Dynamic changing of the title bar\nOrganization: Xerox\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 4\n\nI am looking for a program I can insert into some code that will allow the title bar to be changed on a window dynamicly.  If one already is out there, I would appreciate a location so I don't have to create this from scratch.\n\nThanks in advance.\nBob Hosid:dloslv300:xerox\n","2300":"From: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nSubject: Cryptography FAQ 07\/10 - Digital Signatures\nOrganization: The Crypt Cabal\nLines: 85\nExpires: 22 May 1993 04:00:07 GMT\nReply-To: crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com\nSummary: Part 7 of 10 of the sci.crypt FAQ, Digital Signatures and\n Hash Functions.  Theory of one-way hash functions, distinctions of\n terms. MD4 and MD5. Snefru.\nX-Last-Updated: 1993\/04\/16\n\nArchive-name: cryptography-faq\/part07\nLast-modified: 1993\/4\/15\n\n\nFAQ for sci.crypt, part 7: Digital Signatures and Hash Functions\n\nThis is the seventh of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are\nmostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.\nWe don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.\nNotes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.\n\nThe sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu \nas \/pub\/usenet\/news.answers\/cryptography-faq\/part[xx].  The Cryptography \nFAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers\nevery 21 days.\n\n\nContents:\n\n* What is a one-way hash function?\n* What is the difference between public, private, secret, shared, etc.?\n* What are MD4 and MD5?\n* What is Snefru?\n\n\n* What is a one-way hash function?\n\n  A typical one-way hash function takes a variable-length message and\n  produces a fixed-length hash. Given the hash it is computationally\n  impossible to find a message with that hash; in fact one can't\n  determine any usable information about a message with that hash, not\n  even a single bit. For some one-way hash functions it's also\n  computationally impossible to determine two messages which produce the\n  same hash.\n\n  A one-way hash function can be private or public, just like an\n  encryption function. Here's one application of a public one-way hash\n  function, like MD5 or Snefru. Most public-key signature systems are\n  relatively slow. To sign a long message may take longer than the user\n  is willing to wait. Solution: Compute the one-way hash of the message,\n  and sign the hash, which is short. Now anyone who wants to verify the\n  signature can do the same thing.\n\n  Another name for one-way hash function is message digest function.\n\n* What is the difference between public, private, secret, shared, etc.?\n\n  There is a horrendous mishmash of terminology in the literature for a\n  very small set of concepts. When an algorithm depends on a key which\n  isn't published, we call it a private algorithm; otherwise we call it\n  a public algorithm. We have encryption functions E and decryption\n  functions D, so that D(E(M)) = M for any message M. We also have\n  hashing functions H and verification functions V, such that V(M,X) = 1\n  if and only if X = H(M).\n\n  A public-key cryptosystem has public encryption and private\n  decryption. Checksums, such as the application mentioned in the\n  previous question, have public hashing and public verification.\n  Digital signature functions have private hashing and public\n  verification: only one person can produce the hash for a message,\n  but everyone can verify that the hash is correct.\n\n  Obviously, when an algorithm depends on a private key, it's meant to\n  be unusable by anyone who doesn't have the key. There's no real\n  difference between a ``shared'' key and a private key: a shared key\n  isn't published, so it's private. If you encrypt data for a friend\n  rather than ``for your eyes only'', are you suddenly doing\n  ``shared-key encryption'' rather than private-key encryption? No.\n\n* What are MD4 and MD5?\n\n  MD4 and MD5 are message digest functions developed by Ron Rivest.\n  Definitions appear in RFC 1320 and RFC 1321 (see part 10). Code is\n  available from [FTPMD].\n\n  Note that a transcription error was found in the original MD5 draft\n  RFC. The corrected algorithm should be called MD5a, though some\n  people refer to it as MD5.\n\n* What is Snefru?\n\n  Snefru is a family of message digest functions developed by Ralph\n  Merkle. Snefru-8 is an 8-round function, the newest in the family.\n  Definitions appear in Merkle's paper [ME91a]. Code is available from\n  [FTPSF].\n","2301":"From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)\nSubject: Re: Solar Sail Data\nOrganization: U of Toronto Zoology\nLines: 10\n\nIn article <1qk4qf$mf8@male.EBay.Sun.COM> almo@packmind.EBay.Sun.COM writes:\n>Hey!? What happened to the solar sail race that was supposed to be\n>for Columbus+500?\n\nThere was a recession, and none of the potential entrants could raise any\nmoney.  The race organizers were actually supposed to be handling part of\nthe fundraising, but the less said about that the better.\n-- \nAll work is one man's work.             | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology\n                    - Kipling           |  henry@zoo.toronto.edu  utzoo!henry\n","2302":"From: doug@hparc0.aus.hp.com (Doug Parsons)\nSubject: 3D2 files - what are they?\nOrganization: HP Australasian Response Centre (Melbourne)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8.5]\nLines: 12\n\nI was chaining around in the anonymous ftp world looking for 3D Studio\nmeshes and other interesting graphical stuff for the program, and found\na few files with the extension 3D2.  My 3DS v2.01 doesn't know this type\nof file, so what are they?\n\nAnd of course, the perennial... Where are some meshes, fli files, etc.\nout there?   I would have thought that someone would have collected a few\nand put them somewhere, but alas I am without this knowledge.\n\nmucho appreciato\n\ndouginoz.\n","2303":"From: oxenreid@chaos.cs.umn.edu ()\nSubject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?\nNntp-Posting-Host: chaos.cs.umn.edu\nOrganization: University of Minnesota\nLines: 23\n\nIn <1993Apr06.173031.9793@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu> ragee@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu (Randy Agee) writes:\n\n>So, the questions are -\n>  What do the radar detector detectors actually detect?\n>  Would additional shielding\/grounding\/bypassing shield stray RF generated by\n>  a radar detector, or is the RF actually being emitted by the detector\n>  antenna?\n>  Are any brands \"quieter\" than others?\n\nOk, so your a HAM.   Well, tune in 10.7Mhz or 455Khz.  These numbers sound \nlike some you have herd before?   Thats right, you guessed it, they are \ncommon IF numbers.   Every Super-Het receiver has a local oscillator(s)\nwhich generates an IF.  This is what your detector detector is detecting (the\nlocal oscillator). \n\nSome of these have two or more local oscillator which generate more ways to\nreceiver you.  If you want to receiver something at say 10.525Ghz you must \ngenerate a local oscillator signal of 10.525Ghz - 10.7Mhz = your local osc\nfrequency.  This 10.7Mhz IF is then fed into a normal AGC ckt.  \nThe detector is keyed uppon the AGC voltage (your mileage may vary).  Since\nthe AGC is a negative feed back device, a positive voltage sets off a ...\nI think you get the picture.\n\n","2304":"From: alex@falcon.demon.co.uk (Alex Kiernan)\nSubject: Re: .SCF files, help needed \nDistribution: world\nOrganization: DIS(organised)\nReply-To: alex@falcon.demon.co.uk\nX-Newsreader: Simple NEWS 1.90 (ka9q DIS 1.21)\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1993Apr22.123832.23894@daimi.aau.dk> rued@daimi.aau.dk writes:\n\n>RIX's files with the extension  .sci and .scf are just a RAW file with\n>a 256 color palette.\n>...stuff deleted...\n>regards\n>Thomas \n>\n\nDo you happen to know what a .SCO RIX file is?\n\n-- \nAlex Kiernan\nakiernan@falcon.demon.co.uk\n","2305":"From: cph@dmu.ac.uk (Chris Hand)\nSubject: Cheap LCD panels & seeking info\nOrganization: De Montfort University, Leicester, UK.\nLines: 37\n\nAttention hardware hackers and bargain seekers!\n\nI just bought a 640x200 pixel LCD panel for 25 UK pounds.  I have\na datasheet for a similar panel, but I'm looking for proper data.\n\nIf anyone can help with locating data for this device (before I start\nwith the routine on the phone to Hitachi and rummaging through the\nlibrary), then I'll pass on the source.\n\n\tType: LM225 (Hitachi)\n\tResolution: 640W x 200H (so can do 80x25 chars on 8x8 matrix)\n\nBought from:\n\n\tGreenweld Electronics Ltd\n\t27 Park Rd\n\tSouthampton SO1 3TB, UK\n\n\tTel. +44 703 23 63 63\n\tFax. +44 703 23 63 07\n\tEmail: Compuserve [100014,1463]\n\nNB: I only just bought this!  I don't even know if it works!\n\n\tPrice was 25 UK pounds including VAT (17.5%), which isn't\n\tpayable if you're outside the EC.\n\nThanks for any info!\n\n\nChris\n\n-- \nChris Hand, Lecturer                Internet mail: cph@dmu.ac.uk\nDept of Computing Science,          Voice: +44 533 551551 x8476\nDe Montfort University, The Gateway,  Fax: +44 533 541891  FIDOnet: 2:440\/32.50\nLEICESTER, UK   LE1 9BH             >> Linux: *free* unix for IBM PCs! <<\n","2306":"From: hkon@athena.mit.edu (Henry Kon)\nSubject: 83 tercel sunroof leaks - arrggh\nOrganization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology\nLines: 14\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: e40-008-11.mit.edu\n\nIS there a simple way tooput these sunroofs out of their misery - \ndo leaks tend to be from old gaskets ?  \nor from inadequate mechanical seals - \nor all of the above ??\n\nis there any way to halt the rain ?\n\nthanks\nhk\n--\nHenry Bruno Kon\noffice: 617-253-2781 (with machine)\nhome:   617-625-3972 (with machine)\n\n","2307":"From: smith@ctron.com (Lawrence C Smith)\nSubject: Re: MR2 - noisy engine.\nOrganization: Cabletron Systems, Inc.\nLines: 16\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: smith@ctron.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: glinda.ctron.com\n\nIn article <Apr21.053718.19765@engr.washington.edu>, eliot@lanmola.engr.washington.edu (eliot) writes:\n\n>if the noise really bugs you, there is nothing else that you can do\n>except to sell it and get a V6.\n\nPerhaps a nice used '88 Pontiac Fiero GT?  2.8 liters.\n\nDoes anyone know if the motor mounts for the 2.8 and the twin-dual-cam 3.4\nliter match?  The 3.4 is supposedly derived from the pushrod 3.1, which was\na punched out 2.8 liter.  Should be a drop-in replacement, eh?  205 horses in\na mid-engine the size of a Fiero?\n\nLarry Smith (smith@ctron.com)  No, I don't speak for Cabletron.  Need you ask?\n-\nLiberty is not the freedom to do whatever we want,\nit is the freedom to do whatever we are able.\n","2308":"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)\nSubject: Re: The Manitoban Candidate\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 12\nReply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, smith@phoneme.harvard.edu (Steven Smith) says:\n\n>With yet another tax being floated by the Clinton administration to\n>pay for new ``free'' social programs, I've really begun to suspect\n>that the Canadians, long resentful of their place in the American\n>shadow, brainwashed an American draft dodger who fled to Canada some\n\n\n      Hey, he HAS been talking with Mulroney a lot, huh?\n\n\n","2309":"From: rash@access.digex.com (Wayne Rash)\nSubject: Re: 17\" Monitors\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 50\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\nmreamy@rock.concert.net (Michael G Reamy -- Support) writes:\n\n>>and they too said that the Nanao T560i was the best monitor to get if\n>>you had the money. But they also said that the Mitsubishi Diamond Pro\n>>17 is the next best choice and that it has superb picture quality.\n>>This monitor can be had for around $1070.\n>>\n>>Has anyone actually seen any of these? \n\n>I am responsible for choosing standard components in my company and as part\n>of my review i got the Viewsonic 7, Mitsubishi 17, and Nanao F550is.  I picked\n>the F550i even though it costs more than the other two choices because it\n>has a the best clarity and text is not fuzzy at all.  The Viewsonic 7 is the\n>worst, the Mitsubishi 17 is much better but the Nanao F550i blows both of\n>them out of the water.  I don't understand why the Nanao is so much better \n>since one would think that the Mitsubishi 17 with it's Trinitron tube would\n>be better.  I can only imagine that the Nanao T560i must be incredible if it\n>is beter than the F550i.\n>-- \n\n>Michael G. Reamy (mreamy@rock.concert.net)\n\n>The light at the end of the tunnel may be an oncoming dragon.\n\nOne of the monitors I reviewed for the June issue of Windows Magazine was\nthe Mitsubishi.  I also reviewed a new Nanao, the F550iW, which has just\nbeen released.  Last year for the May '92 issue of Windows, I reviewed\nseveral monitors, including the Nanao T560i.  There's no question that the\nNanao monitors are the best available this year, just as they were last\nyear.  The difference between my ranking of the best in Windows and the\nranking in Windows Sources is due mainly to a difference in the testing\ncriteria and the scoring.  I used different tests than they did, and I\nscored differently.  There's nothing wrong with the Mitsubishi, and it\nscored very highly in my tests, but it was a few points shy of perfect.\n\nIncidentally, one of the things everyone should do when they're reading\nreviews of any product, whether it's monitors or mice, is to read the\ncriteria and methodology carefully.  Unless you know how the product\ntesting was done, and on what the scores are based, you can't possibly\nknow what they really mean.  Just seeing that I rank a monitor differently\nfrom Windows Sources is meaningless without knowing how we did the\nranking.  Likewise, it's impossible to tell whether a monitor will meet\nyour needs unless you know how we did the testing.  After all, some of\nwhat we do may not apply to you.  Likewise, some of what we do may apply\nmore closely in one review than in another.  You can't always tell\nanything from reading the 300 or so words of commentary we write if you\ndon't also understand the scoring.\n\nWayne Rash\n\n","2310":"From: nadja@weitek.COM (Nadja Adolf)\nSubject: Re: ProLifer Or Terrorist Threat\nOrganization: WEITEK Corporation, Sunnyvale CA\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <C4zA0H.IHD@wetware.com> drieux@wetware.com writes:\n>In article 1pamhpINN7d3@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu, taite@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu () writes:\n>>I'm prepared to instruct individuals in the proper use and \n>>handling of firearms.  \n\n>>As a Desert Storm vet with six years in the National Guard, I have a\n>>great deal of experience in handling weapons and tactical training. \n\n\n>ps: anyone up for a discussion of counter sniper operations?\n>Security drills, Your Friend the Counter Terrorist Operation.....\n\n\nIf twit promises to train them in tactics and weapons handlings, I doubt\nany of them will last long enough to become terrorists. Look for a sudden\nrise in firearms accidents among the Fiends of the Fetus, though.\n","2311":"From: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li) \nSubject: NEW SVGA card?\nReply-To: D.L.P.Li1@lut.ac.uk (DLP Li)\nOrganization: Loughborough University, UK.\nLines: 12\n\nHi, all hardware netters,\n\n  I've seen recently on some magazines advertising a ?NEW? Trident\ngraphics card call 8900CL. The ad said it's new and *faster*. How is it\ncompare to Tseng ET4000? BTW, which is the fastest *non-accelerated* SVGA\non the market? Any info or benchmark are welcome. Thanks in advance.\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tregards,\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tDesmond Li\n\t\t\t\t\t\tLUT, UK.\n \n","2312":"From: rjwade@rainbow.ecn.purdue.edu (Robert J. Wade)\nSubject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000\nOrganization: Purdue University Engineering Computer Network\nDistribution: na\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <33759@oasys.dt.navy.mil> tobias@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Steve Tobias) writes:\n>In rec.autos, CPKJP@vm.cc.latech.edu (Kevin Parker) writes:\n>>   I'd like to get some feedback on a car with most bang for the buck in the\n>>$13000 to 16,000 price range. I'm looking for a car with enough civility to be\n>>driven every day, or even on long trips, but when I hit the gas, I want to feel\n>>some acceleration.  Handling is important also, as are reliability and pretty\n>>low maintenance costs.  A stylish appearance is nice, but I don't want a car\n>>that is all show and not much go.  Even though many of the imports are fast, I\n>>don't really want a turbo, and I never have cared for the song sung by a four\n>>clyinder.  I'd prefer a v6 or v8 for the engine.  If you have any suggestions,\n>>Kevin Parker\n>\n>     There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled:\n>\n>\t\t\t  5.0 LITER MUSTANG\n\n\nnot!  sorry, he said cvility, long trips, reliability, and low maintenance cost!\n","2313":"From: gwni@troi.cc.rochester.edu (G. Wayne Nichols)\nSubject: Help! Ten beeps with 386\/40 (AMI BIOS)\nSummary: What error is signalled by 10 beeps at power-up?\nKeywords: 386\/40 AMI 10 beeps\nOrganization: University of Rochester - Rochester, New York\nLines: 9\nNntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu\n\nI have a 386\/40 motherboard with AMI BIOS.\nI haven't located the little motherboard manual yet,\nand suddenly it's giving me 10 beeps when I turn the power on.\nIt was working fine this morning,\nthen gave all kinds of problems, in Windows and outside it.\nAfter multiple reboots, now it only gives 10 beeps and sits there?\n\nAnybody know what 10 beeps means?\nThanks.\n","2314":"From: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Jeremy Epstein)\nSubject: WANTED: X & security posting\nOrganization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA\nLines: 20\n\nA few days ago there was a posting in this group by Andrea Winkler\ntitled \"X and Security \/ X Technical Conference\".  I was one of the\ninstructors of that tutorial.  Unfortunately, my system purged\nthe message before I had a chance to see it, and I don't have\nAndrea's email address.  If someone has Andrea's address and\/or\nthe posting, I would really appreciate it if you'd forward it to\nme!\n\nThanks\n--Jeremy\n\nJeremy Epstein\t\t\tInternet: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com\nTrusted X Research Group\tVoice: +1 703\/803-4947\nTRW Systems Division\nFairfax Virginia\n-- \nJeremy Epstein\t\t\tInternet: epstein@trwacs.fp.trw.com\nTrusted X Research Group\tVoice: +1 703\/803-4947\nTRW Systems Division\nFairfax Virginia\n","2315":"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Re: Don't knock the Glock (was Re: My Gun is like my Am Ex Card)\nDistribution: usa\n <93104.231049U28037@uicv <1993Apr15.152834.16638@mksol.dseg.ti.com>\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.152834.16638@mksol.dseg.ti.com>, pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com\n(Dillon Pyron) says:\n>>>Some police departments switched to Glocks, and then started quietly\n>>>switching many officers back to the old revolvers. Too many were having\n>>>accidents, partly due to the poor training they received. Not that Glocks\n>>>require rocket scientists, but some cops are baffled by something as complex\n>>>as the timer on a VCR.\n>>\n>>Hell, a Glock is the last thing that should be switched to.  The only thing\n>>that I know about a Glock is the lack of a real safety on it.  Sure there is\n>>that little thing in the trigger but that isn't too great of a safety.\n>\n>Ahem!!!  Hrumph!!!!  You have encurred the wrath of Glock owners.  We will\n>beat\n>you with our hammers.  Oooops, don't have any  :-)\n>\n>Seriously.  There is no difference in the safeties betweena Glock and any DA\n>revolver.  Intellectually, think of the Glock as a very high cap revolver.\n>Ignoring stove pipes, misfeeds and all the other bonus exercises that\n>autoloaders give you, that is.\n>\n>Every gun has its safe moment and its dangerous moment.  If you just learn how\n>to handle it, it becomes a lot less dangerous (to you).\n>--\n>Dillon Pyron                      | The opinions expressed are those of the\n>TI\/DSEG Lewisville VAX Support    | sender unless otherwise stated.\n>(214)462-3556 (when I'm here)     |\n>(214)492-4656 (when I'm home)     |Texans: Vote NO on Robin Hood.  We need\n>pyron@skndiv.dseg.ti.com          |solutions, not gestures.\n>PADI DM-54909                     |\n>\n\nAll very true.  I'm going on what I have read and heard from friends.\nBasically the Glock is great but I have heard\/read that it is a lot harder to\nlearn proper handling because of the type of safety that it has.  I was\nlooking at a Glock .40S&W and the S&W 4006 a couple of weeks ago and the\nsafties on the guns were very different.  The saftey on the 4006 seemed a lot\nmore \"safe\"  (for lack of a better word) than the one on the Glock.  Of course\nthis could also be a bad thing if you were to pull the gun on somebody.  You\nwould spend more time fiddling around turning the safety off.  Personally I\nlike the Glocks because they are very light and I think they look really cool\n(guess that's why they use them in so many movies) but I wouldn't get one as\nmy first semi-auto because of the safety.  I would prefer more training with\na \"traditional\" semi-auto (ala Colt .45) but of course that's just my opinion.\n\nJason\n","2316":"From: nhmas@gauss.med.harvard.edu (Mark Shneyder 432-4219)\nSubject: Re: TV Schedule for Next Week\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: HMS\nLines: 54\nNNTP-Posting-Host: gauss.med.harvard.edu\n\nIn article <Apr16.043426.69352@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> mmb@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Michael Burger) writes:\n>United States TV Schedule:\n\n>April 18   Devils\/Islanders at Pittsburgh   1 EST  ABC  (to Eastern time zone)\n>April 18   St. Louis at Chicago             12 CDT ABC  (to Cent\/Mou time zones)\n>April 18   Los Angeles at Calgary           12 PDT ABC  (to Pacific time zone)\n>April 20   Devils\/Islanders at Pittsburgh   7:30   ESPN\n>April 22   TBA                              7:30   ESPN\n>April 24   TBA                              7:30   ESPN\n>\n\nA little supplement Basic Mike's info  :\n\nFor Sundday's opener on ABC, these are the announcing crews :\n\nDevils\/Isles at Pittsburgh - Gary Thorne(play-by-play),Bill Clement(color)\nand Al Morganti roaming the halls outside the dressing rooms.\nThis telecast will primarily seen on the East Coast.\n\nSt.Louis at Chicago - Mike Emrick(play - by play),Jim Schoendfeld(color)\nand Tom Mees roaming the halls.\nThis telecast will primarily be seen in the Midwest and parts of the South.\n\nLA at Calgary - Al \"Do You Believe in Mircales?\" Michaels(play by play),\nJohn Davidson(color) and Mark Jones as a roaming reporter.\nThis telecast will be seen in the Western USA.\n\nMontreal's naitive,Jon Saunders will be hosting in the studio.\n\nABC will do \"Up and Close and Personal\" with Mario during Saturday's\nWide World of Sports(4:30EDT).\n\nSunday will be the first NHL playoff or regular network telecast in 13 years...\nnot counting those silly All-Star games on NBC for the last few years...\n\nFor Sunday's games,ABC will use 8 mikes(2 behind on the goal),super-super-slo-mo,\nclose-ups of player's faces at face-offs. ESPN\/ABC will not be able to\nuse its new favorite toy,the ice-level shot, in Pittsburgh where too many\nseats would have to removed to employ it...\n\n\nIn case of a blowout in progress in Pittsburgh,ABC will switch to Chicago\ngame but will come back to the Pittsburgh game for updates or if the game\ngets closer(Ha!)..\n\nABC expects huge ratings(by hockey standards) since all 3 Top US TV-markets\nare involved - NY metro area(NY Islanders\/NJ Devils),Chicago(BlackHawks),\nand LA(Kings).\n\nStay tuned,\n\nThanks Mike,\n\n-PPV Mark\n","2317":"From: rickc@krill.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares)\nSubject: Re: Jim Lefebvre is an idiot.\nNntp-Posting-Host: krill.corp.sgi.com\nOrganization: Silicon Graphics, Inc.\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.190141.17623@bsu-ucs>, 00bjgood@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu\nwrites:\n|> I just wanted to let everyone know that I have lost what little respect\n|> I have\n|> for Jim LeFebvre after seeing today's Cubs game. \n|> \t\t\t\t\t\tA dishard Cub fan\n\n\nIf you think that's bad, just wait until he tries Dunston in\nthe leadoff spot again.  \n\nYes, I also wonder if they can win with this manager.\nI never believed managers had that much to do with winning\nuntil I saw how much they had to do with losing....\n\n- Rick \n","2318":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Armenian slaughter of defenseless Muslim children and pregnant women.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 81\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.232449.22318@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com  writes:\n\nBM] Gimme a break.  CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense.  \nBM] It seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities\n\t\t        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n\n>   Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do\n\nThe winding down of winter puts you in a heavy 'Arromdian' mood? I'll \nsee if I can get our dear \"Mehmetcik\" to write you a letter giving\nyou and your criminal handlers at the ASALA\/SDPA\/ARF Terrorism and\nRevisionism Triangle some military pointers, like how to shoot armed\nadult males instead of small Muslim children and pregnant women.\n\n\nSource: 'The Times,' 3 March 1992\n\nMASSACRE UNCOVERED....\n\nBy ANATOL LIEVEN,\n\nMore than sixty bodies, including those of women and children, have \nbeen spotted on hillsides in Nagorno-Karabakh, confirming claims \nthat Armenian troops massacred Azeri refugees. Hundreds are missing.\n\nScattered amid the withered grass and bushes along a small valley \nand across the hillside beyond are the bodies of last Wednesday's \nmassacre by Armenian forces of Azerbaijani refugees.\n\nFrom that hill can be seen both the Armenian-controlled town of \nAskeran and the outskirts of the Azerbaijani military headquarters \nof Agdam. Those who died very nearly made it to the safety of their \nown lines.\n\nWe landed at this spot by helicopter yesterday afternoon as the last \ntroops of the Commonwealth of Independent states began pulling out. \nThey left unhindered by the warring factions as General Boris Gromov, \nwho oversaw the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, flew to Stepanakert \nto ease their departure.\n\nA local truce was enforced to allow the Azerbaijaines to collect their \ndead and any refugees still hiding in the hills and forest. All the \nsame, two attack helicopters circled continuously the nearby Armenian \npositions.\n\nIn all, 31 bodies could be counted at the scene. At least another \n31 have been taken into Agdam over the past five days. These figures \ndo not include civilians reported killed when the Armenians stormed \nthe Azerbaijani town of Khodjaly on Tuesday night. The figures also \ndo not include other as yet undiscovered bodies\n\nZahid Jabarov, a survivor of the massacre, said he saw up to 200 \npeople shot down at the point we visited, and refugees who came \nby different routes have also told of being shot at repeatedly and \nof leaving a trail of bodies along their path. Around the bodies \nwe saw were scattered possessions, clothing and personnel documents. \nThe bodies themselves have been preserved by the bitter cold which\nkilled others as they hid in the hills and forest after the massacre. \nAll are the bodies of ordinary people, dressed in the poor, ugly \nclothing of workers.\n\nOf the 31 we saw, only one policeman and two apparent national \nvolunteers were wearing uniform. All the rest were civilians, \nincluding eight women and three small children. TWO GROUPS, \nAPPARENTLY FAMILIES, HAD FALLEN TOGETHER, THE CHILDREN CRADLED \nIN THE WOMEN'S ARMS.\n\nSEVERAL OF THEM, INCLUDING ONE SMALL GIRL, HAD TERRIBLE HEAD \nINJURIES: ONLY HER FACE WAS LEFT. SURVIVORS HAVE TOLD HOW THEY \nSAW ARMENIANS SHOOTING THEM POINT BLANK AS THEY LAY ON THE GROUND.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n\n","2319":"From: ardai@wizard.atb.teradyne.com (Michael Ardai)\nSubject: Re: Source for carbide pc board drills?\nOrganization: Teradyne, Inc. Boston MA\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <C5EJL7.LIn@news2.cis.umn.edu> Mike Diack <mike-d@staff.tc.umn.edu> writes:\n-In article <C5DGG7.5ox@wang.com> , pvr@wang.com writes:\n->   Who sells the special carbide drills used to drill pc boards?\n->I am looking for sizes smaller than #60, #65 or #70 would be good.\n\n-best deal i ever saw on carbides was at ELI electronics - Cambridge\n-Mass. Quite close to MIT, #70 drills @ $5.00 for a box of 50. ELI are\n-in the Boston fone book.\n\nActually, I think they are all #57.  Their phone number is 617 547 5005\nand I will probably have some over at the MIT Flea this Sunday.\n\/mike\n\n\n-- \n\\|\/     Michael L. Ardai     N1IST             Teradyne ATG Boston\n--- -------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\/|\\                    ardai@maven.dnet.teradyne.com\n","2320":"From: gcarter@infoserv.com (George Carter)\nSubject: Re: Does someone know what is the news group for IEEE.\nReply-To: gcarter@infoserv.com\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: SFBAC\nLines: 11\nX-Newsreader: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.64)\n\nIn <1993Apr19.192953.22874@usl.edu> yxy4145@ucs.usl.edu (Yu Yingbin) writes:\n>       yxy4145@usl.edu     Thanks a lot.\n\nieee.general\n\nand\n\nieee.announce\n\n\nare the most frequently used groups.\n","2321":"From: hall@vice.ico.tek.com (Hal F Lillywhite)\nSubject: Re: Ancient Books\nOrganization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.\nLines: 106\n\n{I sent in something on this before but I believe it got lost in the\nweekend accident the moderator described.  This is an improved\nversion anyway so no loss the first time.  HL}\n\nThe standard work on detecting forgeries of ancient documents \nis probably the writing of Friedrich Blass, \"Hermeneutrik und \nKritik,\" _Einleitende und Hilfsdisziplinen_, vol 1 of\n_Handbuch der Klassischen Altertums- wissenshaft_ (Noerdlingen:\nBeck, 1886).  Portions of this are described in Nibley, _The \nProphetic Book op Mormon_, pp 219-242 (SLC:  Deseret Book, 1989).\n(If you want to attempt reading this be forewarned.  Nibley\ndescribes Blass as a typical German scholar who claims little\nknowledge of his subject, then proceeds to exhaust both the subject\nand the reader.)  Nibley's extract from Blass's work is in the form\nof \"rules for forgers.\"  It makes interesting reading.\n\nI confess that I have not read Blass's work, only Nibley's extract\nthereof.  My German falls far short of what would be required and\nas far as I know there is no English translation available.  However,\nI believe the techniques he describes are known widely enough that \nany competent classical scholar could examine a purportedly ancient\ndocument and at least determine if it is consistent with what one \nwould expect of a genuine document of that time frame.  We will not \nbe able to prove who wrote it but at least we should be able to \ndetermine with reasonable confidence if it is from that time and \nculture or is a later forgery.\n\nActually there are 2 types of purportedly ancient documents:\n\n1.  Alleged actual holographs or early copies thereof.  For example\nthe Dead Sea Scrolls.  These can be tested by various scientific\nmeans to determine the age of the paper, inks, and objects found\nwith them.  This can provide a pretty clear dating of the actual\nphysical objects.\n\n2.  Documents claiming to be copies of ancient works although the\ncopy itself may be much more recent.  For example we might find a\ndocument which monks in a monastary claim is a copy of something\nfrom centuries ago (perhaps even having been through several\ngenerations of copists).  This is more of a problem but can still \nbe tested (although the test is not likely to be simple).  We cannot\nexpect a test of the age of the physical objects to tell us much so\nwe must confine our testing to the text itself.\n\nIt is important to remember that none of these tests can tell us if\nthe document is really what it claims to be.  They can only date the\ndocument and identify its culture of origin.  For example I've heard\nof a letter supposed to have been written by Jesus himself to a king\nin what is now Iraq.  If this document were to actually turn up\nscholars could date the paper and ink (assuming they have the\nholograph).  They could check the language, content and writing\nstyle to see if they are consistent with what would be expected of a\nPalestinian Jew of that time.  However even if all test results were\npositive there is no way to determine if Jesus himself actually\nwrote it.  We would know what time and culture it came from but\n(barring a known sample of Jesus handwriting or other clues for \ncomparison) scholarship must stop there.  There is seldom any way to\ndetermine who the actual author was.\n\nAs I say, I'm no expert on Blas's work.  I do remember some of the\ntests which can be applied to alleged copies of ancient works.  \nSpecifically we might ask:\n\n1.  Is the document internally consistent?  Does it contradict\nitself?  If the work it is short it would be relatively easy to \nmaintain internal consistency, even if it is a forgery.  The \nlonger the forgery the more difficult it is to maintain consistency.\nFor this reason most successful forgers stick to short documents.\n\n2.  Is it consistent with the history and geography of the time?\nAgain a short, non-specific work might not be testable but if the\nwriting is of any significant length no latter-day forger would be\nable to escape detection.  Here we look for the minor, inconspicuous\nthings which someone from that culture would get right without even\nthinking about it but which a later forger would find too numerous \nand trivial to check.  The devil is in the details.\n\n3.  What about the literary style of the work, figures of speech\netc.  Any ancient writer would almost certainly speak in ways that \nseem strange to us.  Are there any such odd phrases in this book?  \nIf so do they fit in with the culture?\n\nOf course there are complications if the document has been\ntranslated, or possibly even if somebody just updated language\nwhen he copied it.  A few cases of language not from the culture\nclaimed may be allowed in recent copies.  They cause problems and\nreduce certainty to be sure but don't necessarily prove forgery.\n\nThese tests can be quite effective (given enough material to work \nwith) but they are not easy.  They require the skills of the \nhistorian, the linguist, the anthropologist etc.  The questions to \nask are, \"Is every aspect of this document consistent with what we \nknow about the culture of claimed origin?\"  If there are things \nwhich don't fit how significant are they?  Are problem areas due to\nour lack of knowledge, later changes by copists or are they really \nsignificant?  There will often be some ambiguity since we never\nknow everything about the culture.\n\nThe end result of any such testing is occasionally certain\n(particularly in the case of holographs or other ancient copies).\nHowever often it may just be a probability or an indication that\nthe document (or maybe parts of it) is probably authentic (or\nsometimes maybe other parts are later additions).  This is often \nunsettling to a generation raised on TV where all problems are\nsolved in 30 to 60 minutes with time out for commercials.  It is, \nhowever, the real world and what scholarship has to offer.\n","2322":"From: ednclark@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au (Jeffrey Clark)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nKeywords: Dan Bissell\nNntp-Posting-Host: kraken.itc.gu.edu.au\nOrganization: ITC, Griffith University, Brisbane, Australia\nLines: 70\n\nbissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:\n\n>\tThe book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a \n>modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.\n\nOr he was just convinced by religious fantasies of the time that he was the\nMessiah, or he was just some rebel leader that an organisation of Jews built\ninto Godhood for the purpose off throwing of the yoke of Roman oppression,\nor.......\n\n>\tSome reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows.  Who would \n>die for a lie? \n\nAre the Moslem fanatics who strap bombs to their backs and driving into\nJewish embassies dying for the truth (hint: they think they are)? Were the\nNAZI soldiers in WWII dying for the truth? \n\nPeople die for lies all the time.\n\n\n>Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar?  People \n\nWas Hitler a liar? How about Napoleon, Mussolini, Ronald Reagan? We spend\nmillions of dollars a year trying to find techniques to detect lying? So the\nanswer is no, they wouldn't be able to tell if he was a liar if he only lied\nabout some things.\n\n>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing \n>someone who was or had been healed.  Call me a fool, but I believe he did \n>heal people.  \n\nWhy do you think he healed people, because the Bible says so? But if God\ndoesn't exist (the other possibility) then the Bible is not divinely\ninspired and one can't use it as a piece of evidence, as it was written by\nunbiased observers.\n\n>\tNiether was he a lunatic.  Would more than an entire nation be drawn \n>to someone who was crazy.  Very doubtful, in fact rediculous.  For example \n\nWere Hitler or Mussolini lunatics? How about Genghis Khan, Jim Jones...\nthere are thousands of examples through history of people being drawn to\nlunatics.\n\n>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see \n>this right away.\n>\tTherefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the \n>real thing.  \n\nSo we obviously cannot rule out liar or lunatic not to mention all the other\npossibilities not given in this triad.\n\n>\tSome other things to note.  He fulfilled loads of prophecies in \n>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone.  This in his betrayal \n\nPossibly self-fulfilling prophecy (ie he was aware what he should do in\norder to fulfil these prophecies), possibly selective diting on behalf of\nthose keepers of the holy bible for a thousand years or so before the\ngeneral; public had access. possibly also that the text is written in such\nriddles (like Nostradamus) that anything that happens can be twisted to fit\nthe words of raving fictional 'prophecy'.\n\n>and Crucifixion.  I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I \n>write I will use it.\n             [stuff about how hard it is to be a christian deleted]\n\nI severely recommend you reconsider the reasons you are a christian, they\nare very unconvincing to an unbiased observer.\n\nJeff.\n\n","2323":"From: corwin@igc.apc.org (Corwin Nichols)\nSubject: Re: Fujitsu 8\" HDD\nLines: 13\nNf-ID: #R:1993Apr17.204351.2256@aber.ac.uk:-1606259317:cdp:1466200011:000:729\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!corwin    Apr 19 08:23:00 1993\n\n\nThe Fujitsu 2322 uses what is known as an 'SMD' interface (Storage Module\nDevice?).  A lot of older minis used it.  Sun still does on their server\nmodels.  There are several different speeds of SMD, and I think that the \nFuji drive you have is rated at about 24 Mb\/sec (thats megabits).  There\nused to be several companies that made couplers for the PC (Interphase in\nTexas being one), but I think that the market pretty much has dried up.\nControllers for this type of drive are readily available for VME buses\nthough.  Rumor has it that there is a SMD to SCSI adapter available, but\nI think that it was designed for slower SMD devices.  In other words,\nif you have a PC or Mac, that drive is pretty much dogmeat.\nCheers,\nCorwin\n","2324":"From: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) \nSubject: DX3\/99\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: HAL 9000 BBS, W-NET HQ, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA\nReply-To: robert.desonia@hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us (Robert Desonia) \nLines: 24\n\n\nKM>  Is the 486DX3\/99 anything more than a myth?  I haven't heard of it\nKM>from any source that I trust, and I sure don't see any ads for DX3\/99\nKM>machines in Computer Shopper.  Intel is pretty busy with the Pentium\nKM>right now; I can't seem them introducing their own competition.\n\nI heard the rumor as well, but the story differed.  Intel was not coming \nout with the tripling clock 486, a clone from IBM was.  I got this rumor \nfrom a pretty good source ( Has designs computer equipment, and hav never \nbeen wrong let, but there is a first time for everything. )\n\n...  I can just hear that rumor-mill turning now ...\n\n-rdd\n\n---\n . WinQwk 2.0b#0 . Unregistered Evaluation Copy\n * KMail 2.95d W-NET HQ, hal9k.ann-arbor.mi.us, +1 313 663 4173 or 3959\n              \n----\n| HAL 9000 BBS:  QWK-to-Usenet gateway  | Four 14400 v.32bis dial-ins    |\n| FREE Usenet mail and 200 newsgroups!  | PCBoard 14.5aM * uuPCB * Kmail |\n| Call +1 313 663 4173 or 663 3959      +--------------------------------+\n| Member of EFF, ASP, ASAD  * 1500MB disk * Serving Ann Arbor since 1988 |\n","2325":"From: bmich@cs.utexas.edu (Brian Keith Michalk)\nSubject: Re: high speed rail is bad\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 16\nDistribution: tx\nNNTP-Posting-Host: coltexo.cs.utexas.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.162802.20933@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> mcgoy@unicorn.acs.ttu.edu (David McGaughey) writes:\n>\n>The question, I think, then becomes:  Do we, the general public, need the train?\n>\n>I certainly do not, nor will I ever, need this train in Lubbock, Texas.  With\n>the inexpensive air travel provided between Dallas and Houston, I don't think\n>people in Dallas or Houston need it either.\n\nI totally agree.  Really, the only people this is going to benefit, are\nthose who live in the cities where the train stops.  Who wants to drive\nto the train station from X (Lubbock for example)?  It's probably farther\nto drive to the train station than it is to the nearest national airport.\n\nI really can't see spending 5.7 billion on a system that only three cities\nwill benefit from.\n\n","2326":"From: Rob Earhart <earhart+@CMU.EDU>\nSubject: Re: Q: How to avoid XOpenDisplay hang?\nOrganization: Sophomore, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 4\nNNTP-Posting-Host: po4.andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <C512xr.3oy@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov>\n\n  Don't know how to avoid the XOpenDisplay hang... but perhaps you could\nuse something else (such as zephyr, perhaps)?\n\n  )Rob\n","2327":"From: lyourk@cbnewsc.cb.att.com (Loran N. Yourk)\nSubject: Wanted ISA mouse port with high interrupt\nOrganization: AT&T\nDistribution: na\nLines: 13\n\n\nWith a sound card on interrupt 5, two serial ports (one for modem on i4,\none for Miracle Piano on i3) and a printer port on i7, I have run out of\nlow interrupts.  What I would like is a mouse port with an interrupt of\n10, 11, or 12 (which ever interrupt the PS\/2 mouse port uses) in in ISA\ni486 computer.  I called technical support of Microsoft, Logitech, & ATI\n(checked what interrupts the mouse port on the ATI video cards can use)\nand they all said the only interrupts possible on these cards was ones\nlower than 7.  Does anyone know of any board for an ISA bus which will\nallow a mouse port (or even a serial port) with high interrupts?\n\nLoran Yourk             (708)979-9378\nAT&T                    lyourk@ihlpm.att.com\n","2328":"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] \"Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts\"\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 162\n\nC.Wainwright (eczcaw@mips.nott.ac.uk) wrote:\n: I\n: |> Jim,\n: |> \n: |> I always thought that homophobe was only a word used at Act UP\n: |> rallies, I didn't beleive real people used it. Let's see if we agree\n: |> on the term's definition. A homophobe is one who actively and\n: |> militantly attacks homosexuals because he is actually a latent\n: |> homosexual who uses his hostility to conceal his true orientation.\n: |> Since everyone who disapproves of or condemns homosexuality is a\n: |> homophobe (your implication is clear), it must necessarily follow that\n: |> all men are latent homosexuals or bisexual at the very least.\n: |> \n: \n: Crap crap crap crap crap.  A definition of any type of 'phobe comes from\n: phobia = an irrational fear of.  Hence a homophobe (not only in ACT UP meetings,\n: the word is apparently in general use now.  Or perhaps it isn't in the bible?  \n: Wouldst thou prefer if I were to communicate with thou in bilespeak?)\n: \n: Does an arachnophobe have an irrational fear of being a spider?  Does an\n: agoraphobe have an irrational fear of being a wide open space?  Do you\n: understand English?\n: \n: Obviously someone who has  phobia will react to it.  They will do their best\n: to avoid it and if that is not possible they will either strike out or\n: run away.  Or do gaybashings occur because of natural processes?  People\n: who definately have homophobia will either run away from gay people or\n: cause them (or themselves) violence.\n: \n\nIsn't that what I said ...\nWhat are you taking issue with here, your remarks are merely\nparenthetical to mine and add nothing useful.\n\n: [...]\n: \n: |> It would seem odd if homosexuality had any evolutionary function\n: |> (other than limiting population growth) since evolution only occurs\n: |> when the members of one generation pass along their traits to\n: |> subsequent generations. Homosexuality is an evolutionary deadend. If I\n: |> take your usage of the term, homophobe, in the sense you seem to\n: |> intend, then all men are really homosexual and evolution of our\n: |> species at least, is going nowhere.\n: |> \n: \n: So *every* time a man has sex with a woman they intend to produce children?\n: Hmm...no wonder the world is overpopulated.  Obviously you keep to the\n: Monty Python song:  \"Every sperm is sacred\".  And if, as *you* say, it has\n: a purpose as a means to limit population growth then it is, by your own \n: arguement, natural.\n\nConsider the context, I'm talking about an evolutionary function. One\nof the most basic requirements of evolution is that members of a\nspecies procreate, those who don't have no purpose in that context.\n\n: \n: |> Another point is that if the offspring of each generation is to\n: |> survive, the participation of both parents is necessary - a family must\n: |> exist, since homosexuals do not reproduce, they cannot constitute a\n: |> family. Since the majority of humankind is part of a family,\n: |> homosexuality is an evolutionary abberation, contrary to nature if you\n: |> will.\n: |> \n: \n: Well if that is true, by your own arguements homosexuals would have \n: vanished *years* ago due to non-procreation.  Also the parent from single\n: parent families should put the babies out in the cold now, cos they must,\n: by your arguement, die.\n\nBy your argument, homosexuality is genetically determined. As to your\nsecond point, you prove again that you have no idea what context\nmeans. I am talking about evolution, the preservation of the species,\nthe fundamental premise of the whole process.\n: \n: |> But it gets worse. Since the overwhelming majority of people actually\n: |> -prefer- a heterosexual relationship, homosexuality is a social\n: |> abberation as well. The homosexual eschews the biological imperative\n: |> to reproduce and then the social imperative to form and participate in\n: |> the most fundamental social element, the family. But wait, there's\n: |> more.\n: |> \n: \n: Read the above.  I expect you to have at least ten children by now, with\n: the family growing.  These days sex is less to do with procreation (admittedly\n: without it there would be no-one) but more to do with pleasure.  In pre-pill\n: and pre-condom days, if you had sex there was the chance of producing children.\n: These days is just ain't true!  People can decide whether or not to have \n: children and when.  Soon they will be able to choose it's sex &c (but that's \n: another arguement...) so it's more of a \"lifestyle\" decision.  Again by\n: your arguement, since homosexuals can not (or choose not) to reproduce they must\n: be akin to people who decide to have sex but not children.  Both are \n: as \"unnatural\" as each other.\n\nYet another non-sequitur. Sex is an evolutionary function that exists\nfor procreation, that it is also recreation is incidental. That\nhomosexuals don't procreate means that sex is -only- recreation and\nnothing more; they serve no -evolutionary- purpose.\n\n: \n: |> Since homosexuals have come out the closet and have convinced some\n: |> policy makers that they have civil rights, they are now claiming that\n: |> their sexuality is a preference, a life-style, an orientation, a\n: |> choice that should be protected by law. Now if homosexuality is a mere\n: |> choice and if it is both contrary to nature and anti-social, then it\n: |> is a perverse choice; they have even less credibility than before they\n: |> became prominent. \n: |> \n: \n: People are people are people.  Who are you to tell anyone else how to live\n: their life?  Are you god(tm)?  If so, fancy a date?\n\nHere's pretty obvious dodge, do you really think you've said anything\nor do you just feel obligated to respond to every statement? I am not\ntelling anyone anything, I am demonstrating that there are arguments\nagainst the practice of homosexuality (providing it's a merely an\nalternate lifestlye) that are not homophobic, that one can reasonably\ncall it perverse in a context even a atheist can understand. I realize\nof course that this comes dangerously close to establishing  a value,\nand that atheists are compelled to object on that basis, but if you\nare to be consistent, you have no case in this regard.\n: \n: |> To characterize any opposition to homosexuality as homophobic is to\n: |> ignore some very compelling arguments against the legitimization of\n: |> the homosexual \"life-style\". But since the charge is only intended to\n: |> intimidate, it's really just demogoguery and not to be taken\n: |> seriously. Fact is, Jim, there are far more persuasive arguments for\n: |> suppressing homosexuality than those given, but consider this a start.\n: |> \n: \n: Again crap.  All your arguments are based on outdated ideals.  Likewise the\n: bible.  Would any honest Christian condemn the ten generations spawned by\n: a \"bastard\" to eternal damnation?  Or someone who crushes his penis (either\n: accidently or not..!).  Both are in Deuteronomy.\n\nI'm sure your comment pertains to something, but you've disguised it\nso well I can't see what. Where did I mention ideals, out-dated or\notherwise? Your arguments are very reactionary; do you have anything\nat all to contribute?\n\n: \n: |> As to why homosexuals should be excluded from participation in\n: |> scouting, the reasons are the same as those used to restrict them from\n: |> teaching; by their own logic, homosexuals are deviates, social and\n: |> biological. Since any adult is a role model for a child, it is\n: |> incumbent on the parent to ensure that the child be isolated from\n: |> those who would do the child harm. In this case, harm means primarily\n: |> social, though that could be extended easily enough.\n: |> \n: |> \n: \n: You show me *anyone* who has sex in a way that everyone would describe as\n: normal, and will take of my hat (Puma baseball cap) to you.  \"One man's meat\n: is another man's poison\"!\n: \n\nWhat has this got to do with anything? Would you pick a single point\nthat you find offensive and explain your objections, I would really\nlike to believe that you can discuss this issue intelligibly.\n\nBill\n\n\n","2329":"From: Daniel.Prince@f129.n102.z1.calcom.socal.com (Daniel Prince)\nSubject: Placebo effects\nLines: 17\n\nI know that the placebo effect is where a patient feels better or \neven gets better because of his\/her belief in the medicine and \nthe doctor administering it.  Is there also an anti-placebo \neffect where the patient dislikes\/distrusts doctors and medicine \nand therefore doesn't get better or feel better in spite of the \nmedicine?\n\nIs there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a \nmedicine that he\/she sees improvement where the is none or sees \nmore improvement than there is?  If so, what is this effect \ncalled?  Is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor \ndoesn't believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than \nthere is?  What would this effect be called?  Have these effects \never been studied?  How common are these effects?  Thank you in \nadvance for all replies. \n\n... Information is very valuable but dis-information is MUCH more common.\n","2330":"From: mmc@cs.rit.edu (Mahendra M Chheda)\nSubject: How can I rotate text ?\nNntp-Posting-Host: mackinac\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\n\nHi,\n\nI am programming in XView, SunOS 4.1.2 & OpenWindows 3.0. I would like\nto rotate some text and display it. I did read the FAQ in comp.windows.x\nbut am not sure how do I translate it to XView. I would appreciate if\nsomeone can give me tips on how to do it. Thanx.\n\n\t- Mahendra.\n\nPS : As I am not a frequent news group reader, I would appreciate if\n     answers\/replies would be mailed to me. I will post a follow-up.\n\n-- \n\n***************************************************************************\n\tMahendra Chheda\t\t\t#\n\tmmc@cs.rit.edu\t\t\t#\n\tmmc7274@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\t#\n\t\t\t\t\t#\n\tOffice :\t\t\t#\tResidence :\n\tDept. of Computer Science\t#\t440 Kimball Drive\n\tRochester Institute of Tech.\t#\tRochester, NY 14623\n\tTel. 716-475-2079\t\t#\tTel. 716-292-5726\n***************************************************************************\n","2331":"From: yxy4145@ucs.usl.edu (Yu Yingbin)\nSubject: Does someone know what is the news group for IEEE.\nOrganization: Univ. of Southwestern La., Lafayette\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 2\n\n       yxy4145@usl.edu     Thanks a lot.\n\n","2332":"From: reznik@robios.me.wisc.edu (Dan S Reznik)\nSubject: Correction on my last posting (GLX & lack of cous on Dialog Widget)\nOrganization: U. Wisconsin-Madison, Robotics Laboratory\nIn-reply-to: reznik@robios5.me.wisc.edu's message of 22 Apr 93 18:22:55 CDT\nLines: 13\n\nOn the code I sent, please replace the line:\n\n   XtAddCallback(PopUpShell, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell);\n\nby\n\n   XtAddCallback(Button, XtNcallback, MyPopUp, (XtPointer)PopUpShell);\n\n--- \n\nThe rest (and my question) remains the same...\n\nDan\n","2333":"Subject: Re: Power, signal surges in home...\nFrom: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Robert Smits\nLines: 21\n\nvanderby@mprgate.mpr.ca (David Vanderbyl) writes:\n\n> drand@spinner.osf.org (Douglas S. Rand) writes:\n> \n> >   Hams can legally run up to 1500 watts.  It is very unlikely, however,\n> >   that a ham would be running that kind of power from a car.\n> >\n> >Not possible either.  You'd need about a 300 amp alternator for\n> >just the amplifier.\n> \n> It is too possible.  As the original poster said \"it is very unlikely\"\n> but definately possible.  (Can you say batteries?)\n\n\nI've even seen pictures of an installation where the ham pulled a little \ntrailer behind his car with a 4KW generator, and ran the full legal limit \nwhile mobile. I don't know what his gas mileage was like, though, or \nwhere he found resonators able to stand the gaff.\n\n\nemd@ham.almanac.bc.ca (Robert Smits Ladysmith BC)\n","2334":"From: iak@cs.joensuu.fi (Ismo K{rkk{inen)\nSubject: Re: Wallpaper in Windows 3.1\nOrganization: University of Joensuu\nLines: 23\n\nlouray@seas.gwu.edu (Michael Panayiotakis) writes:\n>>Is there any utility available that will make Windows\n>>randomly select one of your windows directory's .BMP\n>>files as the wallpaper file?\n\n>There are a couple.  I am personally using screenpeace, which is a\n\nIf you need just to change the wallpaper, then I've written a short\nprogram in VB that does this by using SystemParametersInfo-function.\nThe bad news is that you need VBRUN200.DLL to run it, and the DLL is\nsome 350kb (the program is about 7kb). The order of pictures depends\non the system date and the number of BMP-files in the directory, so\nthe picture remains the same if you execute the program multiple times\nduring the same day and the number of BMPs has not changed.\n\nIf you feel this is what you need then I could uuencode it and email\nit to you. (It is unavailable via ftp.)\n\n-- \n+--------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Ismo K{rkk{inen \/ 109740@joyl.joensuu.fi \/ iak@cs.joensuu.fi |\n|     Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!      |\n+--------------------------------------------------------------+\n","2335":"From: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)\nSubject: Re: Clinton's immunization program\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 10\nReply-To: an030@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Broward Horne)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) says:\n\n>All together now... c'mon, you know the words... \"Meet the new boss! Same as \n>the old boss!\"  And the chorus: \"We won't get fooled again!\"\n                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n    Hmmm.  Can I, eh,  get a little side bet on this one?\n\n\n\n","2336":"From: gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy)\nSubject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?\nOrganization: University of Virginia\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <15218@optilink.COM> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:\n#Yet, when a law was proposed for Virginia that extended this \n#philosophy to cigarette smokers (so that people who smoked away\n#from the work couldn't be discriminated against by employers),\n#the liberal Gov. Wilder vetoed it.  Which shows that liberals don't\n#give a damn about \"best person for the job,\" it's just a power\n#play.\n\nOf course Clayton ignores the fact that employers pay health\ninsurance, and insurance for smokers is more expensive than for\nnon-smokers. \n\n--\n-Greg Hennessy, University of Virginia\n USPS Mail:     Astronomy Department, Charlottesville, VA 22903-2475 USA\n Internet:      gsh7w@virginia.edu  \n UUCP:\t\t...!uunet!virginia!gsh7w\n","2337":"From: slg3x@cc.usu.edu\nSubject: X Color bitmap editor needed\nOrganization: Utah State University\nLines: 7\n\nHi Folks,\n\nDoes anybody know where I can find the \"Color\" bitmap editor\naround the public sites? Any information I do appreciate that.\n\n\nC.Chang\n","2338":"From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)\nSubject: Re: Bikes And Contacts\nOrganization: Icom Simulations\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.163450.1@skcla.monsanto.com>  \nmpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:\n\n> Michael (Manning)...Must be that blockhead of yours....the gargoyles\n> are the ONLY thing that work for me! ;*}\n> \n> \n> Michael (Menard)\n> \n> P.S. When you showin' up at Highland House? We'll compare sunglasses...\n\nLet's see how the weather is Saturday or Sunday. It sucks\ntoday. What time is good?\nYou're welcome to give any of the ones I have a try.  As\nfor the gargoyles, if you want mine you can have 'em.  I\nthink the bridge of my nose holds them too far from my face.\nSame deal for the two of my friends who tried them. For\npeople who use them with a full face helmet, all bets are\noff. Sorry if they fit you well and took my complaint\npersonally. Yes the Oakleys are much more desirable squid\nattire. Also the gargoyles aren't that ugly, even in my\nopinion, or I wouldn't have tried them.\n\n--\nMichael Manning\nmmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)\n\n`92 FLSTF FatBoy\n`92 Ducati 900SS\n\n","2339":"From: schmidt@auvax1.adelphi.edu\nSubject: Grounding power wiring, was Re: a question about 120VAC outlet wiring\nLines: 163\nNntp-Posting-Host: auvax1\nOrganization: Adelphi University, Garden City NY\n\nThere has been quite a bit of discussion about house wiring and grounding\npractices here.  A few points need to be clarified:\n\nThe Equipment GROUNDING conductor, Green, green with a yellow stripe, bare, or\nthe metal sheath or pipe of SOME wiring methods, is used as a safety ground, to\ncarry fault currents back to the circuit breaker panel, and to limit the\nvoltage on the metal case of utilization equipment or other metal objects.  It\nshould never (except for a few exceptions to be discussed later) carry the\nnormal operating current of a connected load.  Some equipment has filters in\nthe power supply which may cause some slight current flow through the grounding\nconductor.  \n\nMuch communications or audio equipment is sensitive to noise or slight voltages\non the grounding conductor, and may require special wiring of the grounding\nconductors to provide reliable operation  (\"orange\" outlets are often used for\nthis, with insulated grounding conductors wired back to the panel box, and in\nmany cases back to the service.  Anyone installing such a system should read\nboth the section on grounding in the National Electric Code and publications on\ninstalling quiet isolated ground systems.  The code requires the insulated\ngrounding conductors (green wires) to run with the current carrying conductors\nback to the panel box, and, if required, back all the way to the service\nentrance , where it is bonded to the service ground (water pipe or rod)  Many\nof these systems are installed illegally or unsafely, where they do not provide\na safe ground or a quiet ground or either. \n\nThe GROUNDED conductor of a circuit, often called the NEUTRAL, which is\nreferred to in the code as the \"identified\" conductor and is supposed to be\nwhite or natural grey.  This conductor is supposed to be connected to ground in\nmost electrical systems at a single point, generally at the service entrance\npanel.  This connection is through the Main Bonding Jumper.  (In many household\nservice panels, the main bonding jumper is actually a bonding screw which\nattaches the neutral busbar to the case of the panel)  \n\nThe Grounded conductor (neutral) is generally a current carrying conductor.  In\nthe case of a 120 volt circuit it is one of the two conductors completing the\ncircuit from the panel to the load device.  \n\nSince the grounded conductor (neutral) is only connected to the grounding\nconductor (bare or green) at the service entrance, if the load is any distance\nfrom the service and draws any significant current, there will be a small but\nmeasurable voltage between the grounded and grounding conductors at the load,\nunder normal operating conditions.  If you should (incorrectly) connect the\ngrounded (neutral) conductor to the grounding conductor at the load, some of\nthe neutral current will flow instead through the grounding conductor.  Since\nthere will now be current flowing through the grounding conductor, it will also\nno longer be quite at ground potential at the load end.  If the load equipment\nhas a metal case, which is connected to the grounding conductor through the \"U\"\nground plug, the metal case is now also no longer quite at ground potential. \nThe difference (under normal, non short-circuit conditions) may be only a few\ntenths of a volt, but it could also be a volt or two.  This normally does not\npresent a shock hazard.  \n\nHOWEVER, if you let the metal case of the grounded equipment come into contact\nwith an independently grounded object such as a water or gas pipe, a radiator,\na metal air conditioning duct or such, part of the neutral current will try to\nflow through this aalternate ground path.  If the contact is not solid, you\nwill get a significant arc (a low voltage, but possibly moderate current arc)\nUnder the wrong conditions, this arcing could start a fire.  It is possible in\nsome cases that the sneak ground current   could also flow through a wire of\ninadequate size, causing it to overheat.\n\nWith the incorrect non single-point grounding of the neutral, if there is a\nshort circuit from hot to neutral, the high short circuit current which may\nflow will cause a much higher voltage on the grounding conductor, which\nincreases the possibility for shock or fire.  \n\nAlso if you incorrectly multiply connect the neutral and ground, the voltage on\nthe ground system is seen as noise bu computer or audio equipment, often\ncausing malfunction.  I have spent some hours tracking down such shorts in\ntechnical facilities where they were inducing severe hum into equipment.\n\nThe Neutral is usually bonded to the ground at the distribution transformer as\nwell as at the service entrance of each dwelling.  This is done primarily for\nlightning protection, so that induced lightning currents have a short path back\nto ground, and also to assure that the currents drawn by shorts to grounded\nobjects like pipes draw enough current to trip circuit breakers or blow fuses\nquickly.  The bad side of this is that not all the neutral current from the\ndwelling goes through the neutral wire back to the transformer.  Some of it\nflows through the grounding electrode (water pipe, etc.) this may cause\ncorrosion in the pipes and possibly in things like underground fuel oil tanks,\nand it may also cause measurable AC magnetic fields due to the large loop\nbetween the \"hot\" conductors in the service and the neutral current in the\nwater pipe and ground.  There are those who feel these fields may be unhealthy. \n(don't flame ME on this, I'm just telling you where the field comes from, not\nit's health effect, as far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on this.)\n\nNote that the bonding jumper is only installed at the main panel, NOT at any\nsub distribution panels.  This is one reason why it is illegal to run service\nentrance cable with the sheath used as a neutral to a sub panel, you must have\na seperate insulated conductor for the neutral.  The sheath can be used in this\napplication only as the groundING conductor.  If the neutral is bonded to the\ngrounding conductor in the sub panel, say by forgetting to remove the bonding\nscrew, all the grounding conductors of the loads on that panel will be above\nground, with the possible problems listed above.\n\nThe code makes exceptions for ranges and dryers, as well as feeds from one\nbuilding to another.  In the cases of the range and dryer, the neutral may be\nused as the equipment ground under certain conditions, instead of a seperate\nwire.  Every time the code is revised, these exceptions come up for review. \nThese exceptions were, in fact the first required safety grounds, in the days\nbefore U ground outlets and such.  The appliance manufacturers don't want to\nhave to redesign their ranges and driers, and the contractors don't want to\nhave to run four wire cable (with four fairly heavy, expensive wires) in place\nof three wire to the appliances.  No question it would be safer with seperate\nneutrals to the stove, but the neutral current is low for most burner settings\n(since most current is in the 220 volt \"hots\" except at some low settings, the\nwires are large gauge, and there are few reported cases of injury or damage. \nSo far, the exceptions have survived. In the case of feeds between buildings,\nit's primarily for lightning protection.\n\nPeople doing wiring should be aware what is and what isn't a legal grounding\nconductor.  Obviously, the bare wire in \"romex\" 'with ground' is.  Anywhere\nthere is a green wire installed, such as in a portable cord, that is a good\ngrounding conductor.  The sheath of BX clamped in BX connectors in metal boxes\nis a legal grounding conductor (in the US). (BX has an aluminum band run under\nthe steel sheath to lower the resistance of the sheath.  You can just cut this\naluminum band off at the ends, you don't have to bond it to anything, it does\nits job by touching every turn of the BX sheath.) Conduit or EMT (thinwall\ntubing) is generally a legal grounding conductor, but may require a bonding\nlocknut where it enters a box or panel, particularly for larger pipes.  \n\n\"Greenfield\" (looks like big BX, but you pull your own wires in the empty\nsheath after you run it) is NOT a legal grounding conductor, as it doesn't have\nthe aluminum band to bond it, and the spiral steel has too much resistance and\ninductance.  You have to run a seperate green grounding conductor inside the\ngreenfield.\n\n\"Wiremold\" is also not a legal grounding conductor, as the paint on the boxes\noften prevents good contact, and the \"feed\" to the wiremold extension is often\nfrom a box in the wall that may not be well connected to the first wiremold\nbox.  I have personally discovered cases where the entire run of wiremold and\nthe cases of everything plugged into all the outlets on the run were \"hot\" with\n120 volts (Why do I get a shock every time I touch my computer and the radiator\nhere in the office?) because there was no ground wire in the wiremold and one\nof the outlets had shorted to the edge of the wiremold box.  You must run a\nground wire back in the wiremold from the outlets at least to the first box in\nthe original wiring (conduit, BX, etc.) where you can \"bond\" the wire to the\nbox with a screw, bnding clip, or whatever.\n\nOn another issue, while you should ground the green wire\/lug on GCFI outlets\nwhen ever there is a place to ground them, it is legal in the NEC to use them\nwithout a ground if no ground is available.  It is better to have the\nprotection of the Ground fault interrupter than no protection if you don't\ninstall it.  The interrupter doesn't depend on the ground to trip.  It is\ndesirable to connect the ground if available, because if the ground is\nconnected, the interrupter will trip as soon as a faulty device is plugged in,\nwhereas without the ground, it will not trip until someone or something\nprovides a ground path.  For those questioning the legal use of ungrounded\nGCFI's, read in the NEC, 210-7 (d) exception. (This is the 1990 code, my '93\ncode is in the city, but I know the rule hasn't changed.  It might be\nrenumbered though.) \n\nWe have only touched the surface concerning grounding ;-} , there is much more\nto this subject, but most of you have fallen asleep by now.  \n\nJohn\n-- \n*******************************************************************************\nJohn H. Schmidt, P.E.              |Internet: schmidt@auvax1.adelphi.edu\nTechnical Director, WBAU           |Phone--Days     (212)456-4218 \nAdelphi University                 |       Evenings (516)877-6400 \nGarden City, New York 11530        |Fax-------------(212)456-2424\n*******************************************************************************\n","2340":"From: rooi@duteca3.et.tudelft.nl (Mark de Rooi)\nSubject: Calculating a transformer - help needed\nOriginator: rooi@duteca3.et.tudelft.nl\nNntp-Posting-Host: duteca3.et.tudelft.nl\nReply-To: rooi@duteca3.et.tudelft.nl (Mark de Rooi)\nOrganization: Delft University of Technology, Dept. of Electrical Engineering\nLines: 18\n\nI want to convert a 500 Volt sinewave with frequency between 1 kHz\nand 10 kHz, to a 10 Volt sinewave with the same frequency, by\nmeans of a transformer. The secondary current will be .6 A (600 mA).\n\nWhat kind of transformer should I use (ferrite?)\nCan I buy one? If so, I need a partnumber and supplier\nIf I cannot buy one, how do I go about winding one myself?\nWhat core do I use, how big must it be in order not to saturate,\nwhat thickness copper wire, how many turns, etc.?\n\nI know little about analog electronics, so I hope some kind\nsoul here will help me out.\nPointers to relevant databooks will also be highly appreciated.\n\nThanks,\n\nMark de Rooi\nrooi@tpd.tno.nl\n","2341":"From: williams4000@iscsvax.uni.edu\nSubject: BOOK OF KELLS CORRECTION!!!\nOrganization: University of Northern Iowa\nLines: 11\n\nI aparantly mistyped the address for the ftp site which holds the images. The\ncorrect address should be:\n\njupiter.csd.unb.ca\n                ^^\nrather than jupiter.csd.unb.edu.  They are in the directory:\n\n\\pub\\library.info\n\nJon Williams\nUniversity of Northern Iowa\n","2342":"From: nextug@ac.dal.ca\nSubject: Powerbook 140-180 Batteries\nOrganization: Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada\nLines: 15\n\nA quick query for Powerbook gurus:\nTom Spearman, in a post on alternative Powerbook battery options\nmentioned that there exist 3 versions of their Powerbook 140-180\nbatteries: a 2.5 amp hour one (M5545\/A), a 2.8 amp hour one,\n(M5545\/B) and a 2.9 amp hour one (M5545\/C). Anyone out there\nknow how to determine which of these a battery is? I looked at my\nbattery and there is no obvious exterior indication. I contacted\nTom Spearman who had gleaned the information from MacUser and he\ndidn't know either. Anyone out there know the answer?\n\tThanks!\n\tChristopher Majka\n\tnextug@ac.dal.ca\n\nBTW, if you can reply via EMail I would be grateful. I don't\noften read this newsgroup. I will post a summary of answers.\n","2343":"From: altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim)\nSubject: Re: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL\nOrganization: California State University Sacramento\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <93105.152944BR4416A@auvm.american.edu> <BR4416A@auvm.american.edu> writes:\n>The trackbal on my PB140 no longer moves in the horizontal direction.  When I\n>called the nearest Authorized Apple Service person I was told that it probably\n>needed replacing and that would cost me over $150!  Ouch!\n>  Can anyone recommend a less expensive way to fix this problem?  One strange\n>symptom of the problem is that when I take the ball out of the socket and shine\n>a light into the hole I can make the cursor move horizontally by moving the\n>wheel with my finger, it works fine that way but won't work if I turn off the\n>light.  Any suggestions or comments?\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>Ben Roy .......just a poor college student.......internet<br4416a@american.edu>\n>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\nBen,\n\nSince you're obviously adept enough to understand how the trackball works,\nthe only thing short of repairing it that I can think of is a thorough\ncleaning of all the parts, and then checking for the proper placement of\nthe little blue rollers. Since they aren't fixed in position on their\nstainless steel pins, you might try sliding them into a slightly different\nposition. On my PowerBook 100, I can slide them almost completely out of\ncontact with the trackball. In fact, one of the notes from sumex on fixing\nthe trackball advocates sliding the roller so that its _edge_ contacts the\nball, not the center cylindrical area.\n\nI've done this with my PB100, and it does seem to improve the feel, but\nneeds to be adjusted from time to time. I just popped open one of our\noffice's PB170s, and while there isn't as much latitude for movement, one\ncould still adjust the roller slightly. If your PB140 is the same it might\nhelp.\n\nI would suspect the most likely culprit to be a slippery blue roller. If\nyou can take it out, clean it with a mild soapy solution, or isopropyl \nalcohol. Also, be sure the ball is grease-free.\n\nIf you drop the ball in minus the retaining ring, roll the ball and see\nif it is actually causing the axle to spin. \n\nIf all this still doesn't solve it, then maybe a new one is in order. :-(\nIt could be an electrical connection, in which case replacement would be\nnecessary. But my experience with both mice and trackballs has been that\ndirt has been the normal problem, not an electrical malfunction.\n\nHope this helps,\n\nMurray\n \n\n-- \nMurray M. Altheim      \"Ils ont l'orteil de Bouc, & d'un Chevreil l'oreille,\nInstructional Consultant    La corne d'un Chamois, & la face vermeille\nCSU, Sacramento          Comme un rouge Croissant: & dancent toute nuict\naltheimm@csus.edu       Dedans un carrefour, ou pres d'une eau qui bruict.\"\n","2344":"From: jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz)\nSubject: Re: The [secret] source of that announcement\nOrganization: Mount Holyoke College\nLines: 32\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: orixa.mtholyoke.edu\n\nIn article <MARC.93Apr17211937@oliver.mit.edu> marc@mit.edu (Marc Horowitz N1NZU) writes:\n>Just who is that, I asked myself, or rather, I asked the computer.\n>\n>    % telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov 25\n>    Trying...\n>    Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov.\n>    Escape character is '^]'.\n>    220 first.org sendmail 4.1\/NIST ready at Sat, 17 Apr 93 20:42:56 EDT\n>    expn clipper\n>    250-<csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov>\n>[...]\n>    221 first.org closing connection\n>    Connection closed.\n>\n>Well, isn't that interesting.  Dorothy Denning, Mitch Kapor, [...]\n\nEven more interesting: the SMTP server at csrc.ncsl.nist.gov no longer\nrecognizes the 'expn' and 'vrfy' commands...\n\n   telnet csrc.ncsl.nist.gov smtp\n   Trying 129.6.54.11...\n   Connected to csrc.ncsl.nist.gov.\n   Escape character is '^]'.\n   220 first.org sendmail 4.1\/NIST ready at Tue, 20 Apr 93 17:01:34 EDT\n   expn clipper\n   500 Command unrecognized\n\nSeems like sombody didn't like your snooping around, Marc.\n-- \nJurgen Botz, jbotz@mtholyoke.edu | Vending machines SHOULD respond to a [finger]\nSouth Hadley, MA, USA            | request with a list of all items currently\n--Unix is dead, long live Unix-- | available for purchase... -RFC1288\n","2345":"From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu\nSubject: NATURAL ANTI-cancer\/AIDS Remedies\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin Eau Claire\nLines: 224\n\n\n\n     The biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so EXTREMELY high and\nincreasing is that NATURAL methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still\nbeing SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED and SUPPRESSED by the MONEY-GRUBBING and POWER-\nMONGERING \"medical\" establishment.\n     Some examples of very low cost NATURAL ANTI-cancer Remedies are listed in\nthe following article:\n\n\n                          NATURAL ANTI-CANCER REMEDIES\n                                 A 3RD OPINION\n          \n               ( Some of these Remedies also work against AIDS. )\n\n\n          DISCLAIMER: This list was compiled from unorthodox sources \n          that have shown themselves to be reliable.  The compiler of \n          this list is NOT a doctor of any kind, but is exercising his \n          First Amendment Constitutional RIGHT of FREE SPEECH on the \n          subjects of his choice. \n\n\n          ( MOST of these Remedies can be found in ANY Grocery Store.  \n          MOST of the rest of them can be found in ANY Health Food \n          Store.  What is important is HOW they are used, and what \n          else is EXCLUDED DURING their use. )\n\n\n          (1) THE 7-DAY FAST. \n               1st day: Eat as much fresh fruit as you want, one kind \n          at a time, preferably grapes. \n               2nd day: Eat all the vegetables you want, at least half \n          raw, including GARLIC; also, whole kernel corn to help scrape \n          clean the intestinal linings. \n               3rd day: Drink all the fresh fruit and vegetable juice \n          you want.  Preferably start with 16 to 32 ounces of prune \n          juice WITH PULP, followed by a gallon of pure (NOT from \n          concentrate) apple juice, then grape juice.  (Stay close to \n          your home bathroom.) \n               4th day: Eat all the UN-salted nuts (NO peanuts) and \n          dried fruit you want, preferably raisins and almonds (ALMONDS \n          CONTAIN LAETRILE.). \n               5th day: ONE GALLON OF LEMONADE.  Squeeze the juice from \n          two lemons into a gallon of water (preferably distilled), and \n          add 2 to 4 tablespoons of locally-made honey, (NO sugar).  \n          Drink one glass per hour.\n          [EVERYone, including healthy people, should do this one day \n          every week, preceded by a large glass of prune juice WITH \n          PULP.] \n               6th day: Same as 5th day. \n               7th day: Same as 6th day. \n               All 7 days, eat ONLY the foods listed above for each \n          day, along with your usual vitamin and mineral supplements, \n          plus as much DISTILLED WATER as you want. \n\n          (2) THE GRAPE DIET. \n               Eat 2 to 3 ounces of fresh grapes every 2 hours, 8 AM to \n          8 PM, every day for six days.  Eat NOTHING else during the \n          six days, but drink as much DISTILLED WATER as you want. \n      \n          (3) APPLE CIDER VINEGAR.\n               Mix a teaspoon of pure apple cider vinegar (NOT apple \n          cider \"flavored\" vinegar.  Regular vinegar is HARMFUL.) in a \n          glass of water (preferably distilled) and drink all of it.  \n          Do this 3 or 4 times per day, for 3 weeks; then stop for a \n          week.  Repeat if desired.  Do this along with a normal \n          healthy diet of natural foods.  This remedy is especially \n          effective against those types of cancer that resemble a \n          FUNGUS, as well as against other kinds of fungus infections. \n        \n          (4) THE SEA-SALT & SODA BATH.  [Please keep an OPEN MIND.]\n               Fill a bathtub with moderately warm water so the level \n          comes up almost to the overflow drain when you get in.  \n          Immerse yourself in it for a minute, and then completely \n          dissolve in the bath water 1 pound of SUN-evaporated SEA-salt \n          (regular salt won't work.) and 1 pound of fresh baking-soda. \n               Soak in this bath for 10 to 20 minutes, while exercising \n          your fingers, toes, and limbs, turning sideways and onto your \n          stomach, dunking your head, sitting up and laying back down, \n          chomping your teeth together, etc.. \n               Among other things, the SEA-salt & Soda Bath neutralizes \n          the accumulated effects of X-rays, etc., as described in the \n          book \"Born To Be Magnetic, Vol. 2\", by Frances Nixon, 1973. \n               PRECAUTIONS: Only the ONE person using each bath should \n          prepare it and drain it.\n          For at least 30 minutes after taking the bath, stay away \n          from, and even out of sight of, other people.  (Your greatly \n          expanded Aura energy-field during that time could disrupt \n          other people's fields.)  Two hours after the bath, eat at \n          least 8 ounces of yogurt containing ACTIVE Yogurt Cultures.  \n          (The bath may kill FRIENDLY bacteria also.)  Better yet, take \n          a 2-Billion-bacteria \"Acidophilus\" capsule, which is also an \n          EXCELLENT DAILY REMEDY AGAINST THE EFFECTS OF \"A.I.D.S.\" \n          (because it kills all kinds of harmful bacteria in the \n          digestive tract, taking a big load off the remaining immune \n          system).  [Because this external bath can kill IN-ternal \n          bacteria, it may also be a CURE for \"Lyme disease\".]\n          Do NOT take this bath within a few hundred miles of a thunder \n          storm, within 3 days of a full moon, nor during \"Major\" or \n          \"Minor Periods\" as listed in the \"Solunar Tables\" published \n          bimonthly in \"Field & Stream\" Magazine, (because of the \n          measurable disruptive ambient environmental energy-fields \n          present at those times).\n          Do NOT take this bath more than four times per year. \n       \n          (5) MISCELLANEOUS NATURAL ANTI-CANCER REMEDIES: \n       \n               For skin cancer, apply STABILIZED Aloe Vera Jel to the \n               affected skin twice daily, and take 2 to 4 tablespoons \n               per day of STABILIZED Aloe Vera Juice internally, for \n               about 2 months. \n        \n               D.M.S.O. (Dimethyl Sulfoxide) causes cancer cells to \n               perform NORMAL cell functions. \n\n               ALMONDS (UN-blanched, UN-roasted) CONTAIN LAETRILE.  \n               To help prevent cancer, eat several almonds every day.  \n               To help cure cancer, eat several OUNCES of almonds per \n               day.\n               [NEVER take large concentrated doses of Laetrile orally.  \n               IT WILL KILL YOU!  Take it INTRAVENOUSLY ONLY.  (Cancer \n               cells contain a certain enzyme which converts Laetrile \n               into cyanide, which then kills the cell.  This enzyme is \n               ALSO present in the digestive system.)] \n\n               ANTI-OXIDANTS are FREE-RADICAL SCAVENGERS, and include \n               Vitamin E, Selenium (200 mcg. per day is safe for most \n               people.), Chromium (up to 100 mcg. per day), Vitamin A \n               (25,000 IU per day is safe for most people.), Superoxide \n               Dismutase (up to 4,000,000 Units per day), Vitamin C (up \n               to 3000 mg. per day), and BHT (Butylated Hydroxy-\n               toluene), [1 to 4 capsules of BHT every night at bedtime \n               will also MAKE ONE IMMUNE AGAINST HERPES (BOTH types), \n               suppress herpes symptoms if one already has herpes, \n               prevent spreading herpes to other people, but will not \n               cure herpes.  BHT MIGHT ALSO DO THESE THINGS AGAINST \n               \"A.I.D.S.\", which is really a form of cancer similar to \n               leukemia.]  (See the book \"Life Extension\", by Durk \n               Pearson and Sandy Shaw.) \n\n               HYDROGEN-PEROXIDE.  Dilute twelve(12) drops of 3% \n               hydrogen-peroxide in a glass of pure water (preferably \n               DISTILLED) and drink it.  Do this once or twice per day, \n               hours before or after eating or drinking anything else.  \n               Apply 3% hydrogen-peroxide directly to skin cancers \n               several times per day.\n               Use hydrogen-peroxide ONLY if you are taking a good \n               daily dose of some of the various anti-oxidants \n               described above. \n\n               VITAMIN & MINERAL SUPPLEMENTS are more effective, and \n               much less expensive, when COMBINED together in MEGA \n               doses into SINGLE tablets made from NATURAL sources. \n\n               Cancer cells can NOT live in a strong (100,000 Maxwell) \n               NORTH MAGNETIC FIELD, especially if it is pulsating on \n               and off.  [A strong south magnetic field is an \n               aphrodisiac.]  In my opinion, ALL types of ionizing-\n               radiation treatments for cancer should be REPLACED with \n               daily 30-minute doses of pulsating 100,000-Maxwell NORTH \n               magnetic fields. \n\n               Properly made and operated RADIONICS\/PSIONICS MACHINES \n               can both diagnose and cure all forms of cancer, as well \n               as most other medical problems.  Some Radionics\/Psionics \n               Machines can even take cross-sectional X-ray-like photos \n               of cancer tumors, etc., with-OUT X-rays! \n\n               INTERFERON tablets.\n\n               TAHEEBO TEA, (Lapacho). \n           \n               HOMEOPATHY can cure cancer, and many other medical \n               problems (even drug addiction!). \n\n               50 mg. per day of CHELATED ZINC can help prevent or cure \n               prostate trouble. \n\n               This list is NOT exhaustive. \n\n\n          The above NATURAL Remedies can CURE both diagnosed AND UN-\n          DIAGNOSED cancers, as well as PREVENT them, and also prevent \n          and cure many other medical problems including heart-\n          diseases.  They are NOT too simple and inexpensive to work \n          effectively. \n\n          Besides acting on a person biologically and chemically, these \n          remedies, especially The 7-Day Fast and The Grape Diet, send \n          a strong message to one's subconscious mind, PROGRAMMING it \n          to CURE the cancer. \n\n          In my opinion, if a person finds out that s\/he has cancer, \n          then s\/he should promptly try at least the first 4 remedies \n          described above, in sequence (starting with The 7-Day Fast), \n          BEFORE resorting to the UN-natural and expensive mutilations \n          and agonies [POISON, BURN, and MUTILATE!] of orthodox cancer \n          treatment [organi$ed-CRIME!]. \n          \n          \n          DISCLAIMER: This list was compiled from unorthodox sources \n          that have shown themselves to be reliable.  The compiler of \n          this list is NOT a doctor of any kind, but is exercising his \n          First Amendment Constitutional RIGHT of FREE SPEECH on the \n          subjects of his choice. \n\n\n          FOR MORE INFORMATION, contact Cancer Control Society, 2043 N. \n          Berendo St., Los Angeles, CA  90027, and\/or other organiza-\n          tions listed in the \"Alternative Medicine\" and \"Holistic \n          Medicine\" portions of the \"Health and Medical Organizations\" \n          Section (Section 8) of the latest edition of the \"Encyclope-\n          dia of Associations\" reference book in your local public or \n          university library. \n\n\n               UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this \n          IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. \n\n          \n                                   Robert E. McElwaine\n         \n\n","2346":"From: anthropo@carina.unm.edu (Dominick V. Zurlo)\nSubject: Re: [soc.motss, et al.] \"Princeton axes matching funds for Boy Scouts\"\nOrganization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque\nLines: 30\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.011255.7295@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> stank@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (Stan Krieger) writes:\n>Now can we please use rec.scouting for the purpose for which it was\n>established?  Clearly we netnews voters decided that we did not want to\n>provide a scouting newsgroup to give fringe groups a forum for their\n>anti-societal political views.\n\nOk, this is the only thing I will comment on from Stan at this time...\npart of this forum we call rec.scouting is for policy discussions and\nrelated topics.  This is a policy discussion, and involves related \ntopics.  this is not a \"fringe\" group discussion.  obviously, it \nengenders strong feelings from all sides of the issues at hand. \nWether a particular view is anti-societal or not is your opinion, \nand yours alone, don't try to make it seem otherwise. \nIf you do not wish to engage in this discussion, use a kill file. \nIf you wish to continue in this discussion, please do so, knowing \nfull well the implications that apply.\nI know for myself that I plan on continuing with the discussion when \ni have the wish to have input.  I for one am tired of people trying to \nsay that this is not a matter significant for this group!  It is, and \nquite so. Especially for those of us who feel the impact more closely.\n\n\n****************************************************************\n*  Dominick V. Zurlo              *    \"If the world's an      *\n*  WWW                            *    oyster, why am I        *\n*  Eagle Scout '87                *    allergic to Mollusks?\"  *\n*  blacklisted '88                *                            *\n****************************************************************\n\n\n","2347":"From: pp@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (peter.peng)\nSubject: need info on Mazda 626\nOrganization: AT&T Bell Laboratories\nDistribution: na\nKeywords: Mazeda 626\nLines: 15\n\n\n\nI test drove a Mazda 626 LX this past weekend and \nliked it.\n\nThe dealer offered it for $15K.\n\n1) Is this a good price?\n2) Any comments on 626 in general? \n\nPlease use email. Thanks \n\n\nPeter\natt!hotsoup!peng\n","2348":"From: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252)\nSubject: Looking for WMF Converter\nKeywords: WMF, windowsmetafile\nNntp-Posting-Host: couloir\nReply-To: buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252)\nOrganization: Interleaf, Inc.\nLines: 13\n\n\nI'm looking for any leads to the source of a good Windows\nMeta File converter or interpreter. I need this for use\noutside the Windows environment. PD sources preferred, but\nnot a requirement. Please reply to the address below.\n\n\nDavid Buchholz               Internet: buck@ileaf.com\nProduct Manager                  uucp: uunet!leafusa!buck\nInterleaf, Inc.                 voice: 617.290.4990 x-3252\n\n\n\n","2349":"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Expansion-lust\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 83\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.182614.2634@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:\n>In article  <1993Apr13.002118.24102@das.harvard.edu> \n> adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack) writes:\n\n>> In article <1993Apr12.184034.1370@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:\n\n>>>IMHO, it does not really matter who started any individual battle within \n>>>the Arabs\/Isreal war context. The real question is who\/what  started the \n>>>War. Does anyone have any doubts it was the creation of Israel on Arab \n>>>land ? \n>>\tHuh?  A war was started when several armies invaded Israel,\n>>vowing to drive the Jews into the sea.  Most Jews wanted to live in\n>>peace, and the Arabs who stayed in Israel were granted citizenship.\n\n> I am\n>surprised that you don't consider the acquisition of land by\n>the Jews from arabs, for the purpose of establishing an exclusive\n>state, as a hostile action leading to war.\n\n\tIt was for the purpose of establishing a state, not an\nexclusive state.  If the state was to be exclusive, it would not have\n400 000 arab citizens.\n\n\tAnd no, I do not consider the purchase of land a hostile\naction.  When someone wants to buy land, and someone else is willing\nto sell it, at a mutually agreeable price, then that is commerce.  It\nis not a hostile action leading to war.\n\n>As to whether the Jews wanted to live in peace, maybe.\n>However they wanted and still want an exclusively Jewish\n>state, where Jews are in control and Jews are the masters of\n>the land.  Living in peace is meaningless unless it means\n>living *WITH* someone else, as equal. For a native arab, this \n>does not leave many options.\n\n\tOh, you mean like both Jews and Arabs being citizens?  The\narabs who stayed are now citizens, with as much right to choose who\nthey vote for as the Jews.\n\n>Those palestinians who stayed, actually stayed despite of what \n>happened, and their number was somewhat tolerated as a defenseless\n>and ineffective minority.\n>If I were wrong, you'd have Israel recall all the\n>palestinian refugees (we're talking millions). After all,\n>they are civilians. \n\n\tHuh?  The people who left, did so voluntarily.  There is no\nreason for Israel to let them in.\n\n>Israel gave citizenship to the remaining arabs because it\n>had to maintain a democratic facade (to keep the western aid\n>flowing).\n\n\tIsrael got no western aid in 1948, nor in 1949 or 50...It\nstill granted citizenship to those arabs who remained.  And how\nis granting citizenship a facade?\n\n>>\tTell me something, Sam.  What makes land \"arab?\"\n\n>How shall I explain, Its a contract between the man and the\n>land.  Control isn't it. The Ottomans ruled 400 years, and\n>then left with barely a trace.  The concept of Land identity\n>is somewhat foreign to the mobile and pragmatic West.  It is\n>partly the concept of 'le sol natal', native soil.  I know\n>that jews had previous history in the region, but none in\n>recent memory.  I'm talking everyday life not archeology.\n\n\tTry again, you tell me what its isn't, but you fail to\nestablish what it is.\n\n\tAlso, Jews did have history in Israel for over a thousand\nyears.  There were lots of Jews slaughtered by Crusaders in Israel.\nThere was a thriving community in Gaza city from roughly 1200-1500.\nJews were a majority in Jerusalem from 1870 or so onwards.  Does that\nmake the land Jewish?\n\nAdam\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t       adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n\"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn't waste them on members of Congress...\"   -John Perry Barlow\n","2350":"From: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu (L. Detweiler)\nSubject: Privacy & Anonymity on the Internet FAQ (1 of 3)\nSupersedes: <net-privacy\/part1_733153240@GZA.COM>\nOrganization: TMP Enterprises\nLines: 1220\nExpires: 21 May 1993 04:00:06 GMT\nReply-To: ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: pad-thai.aktis.com\nSummary: Email and account privacy, anonymous mailing and posting, \n encryption, and other privacy and rights issues associated with use\n of the Internet and global networks in general.\nX-Last-Updated: 1993\/03\/04\n\nArchive-name: net-privacy\/part1\nLast-modified: 1993\/3\/3\nVersion: 2.1\n\n\nIDENTITY, PRIVACY, and ANONYMITY on the INTERNET\n================================================\n\n(c) 1993 L. Detweiler.  Not for commercial use except by permission\nfrom author, otherwise may be freely copied.  Not to be altered. \nPlease credit if quoted.\n\nSUMMARY\n=======\n\nInformation on email and account privacy, anonymous mailing and \nposting, encryption, and other privacy and rights issues associated\nwith use of the Internet and global networks in general.\n\n(Search for <#.#> for exact section. Search for '_' (underline) for\nnext section.)\n\nPART 1\n====== (this file)\n\nIdentity\n--------\n<1.1> What is `identity' on the internet?\n<1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet?\n<1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background?\n<1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address?\n<1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? \n<1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet?\n\nPrivacy\n-------\n<2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet?\n<2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet?\n<2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks?\n<2.4> How (in)secure is my account?\n<2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories?\n<2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows?\n<2.7> How (in)secure is my email?\n<2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings?\n<2.9> How do I provide more\/less information to others on my identity?\n<2.10> Who is my sysadmin?  What does s\/he know about me?\n<2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet?\n<2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet?\n\nAnonymity\n---------\n<3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet?\n<3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet?\n<3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet?\n<3.4> What is `anonymous mail'?\n<3.5> What is `anonymous posting'?\n<3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet?\n<3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet?\n\n\nPART 2\n====== (next file)\n\nResources\n---------\n\n<4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy?\n<4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography?\n<4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list?\n<4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups?  FAQs?\n<4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)?\n<4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy?\n<4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer?\n<4.8> What are references on privacy in email?\n<4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies?\n<4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program?\n\nMiscellaneous\n-------------\n\n<5.1> What is ``digital cash''?\n<5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''?\n<5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''?\n<5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools?\n<5.5> What is `security through obscurity'?\n<5.6> What are `identity daemons'?\n<5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy?\n\nIssues\n------\n\n<6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)?\n<6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)?\n<6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case?\n<6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)?\n<6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)?\n<6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act?\n<6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks?\n<6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace?\n<6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive?\n\nFootnotes\n---------\n\n<7.1> What is the background behind the Internet?\n<7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language?\n<7.3> Most Wanted list\n<7.4> Change history\n\n\nPART 3\n====== (last file)\n\nAnonymizing\n-----------\n\n<8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites?\n<8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity?\n<8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings?\n<8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers?\n<8.5> What is the value of anonymity?\n<8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed?\n<8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings?\n<8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius?\n\n\n* * *\n\n\nIDENTITY\n========\n\n_____\n<1.1> What is `identity' on the internet?\n\n  Generally, today people's `identity' on the internet is primarily\n  determined by their email address in the sense that this is their\n  most unchanging 'face' in the electronic realm.   This is your\n  login name qualified by the complete address domain information,\n  for example ``ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu''.  People see\n  this address when receiving mail or reading USENET posts from you\n  and in other situations where programs record usage.  Some obsolete\n  forms of addresses (such as BITNET) still persist.\n\n  In email messages, additional information on the path that a message\n  takes is prepended to the message received by the recipient.  This\n  information identifies the chain of hosts involved in the\n  transmission and is a very accurate trace of its origination.  This\n  type of identify-and-forward protocol is also used in the USENET\n  protocol to a lesser extent.  Forging these fields requires\n  corrupted mailing software at sites involved in the forwarding and\n  is very uncommon.  Not so uncommon is forging the chain at the\n  origination point, so that all initial sites in the list are faked\n  at the time the message is created.  Tracing these messages can be\n  difficult or impossible when the initial faked fields are names of\n  real machines and represent real transfer routes.\n\n_____\n<1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet?\n\n  The concept of identity is closely intertwined with communication,\n  privacy, and security, which in turn are all critical aspects of\n  computer networks. For example, the convenience of communication\n  afforded by email would be impossible without conventions for\n  identification.  But there are many potential abuses of identity\n  possible that can have very severe consequences, with massive\n  computer networks at the forefront of the issue, which can\n  potentially either exacerbate or solve these problems.\n\n  Verifying that an identity is correct is called `authentication',\n  and one classic example of the problems associated with it is\n  H.G.Well's ``War of the Worlds'' radio broadcast that fooled\n  segments of the population into thinking that an alien invasion was\n  in progress.  Hoaxes of this order are not uncommon on Usenet and\n  forged identities makes them more insidious.  People and their\n  reputations can be assaulted by forgery.\n\n  However, the fluidity of identity on the internet is for some one of\n  its most attractive features. Identity is just as useful as it is\n  harmful.  A professor might carefully explain a topic until he\n  finds he is talking to an undergraduate. A person of a particular\n  occupation may be able to converse with others who might normally\n  shun him.  Some prejudices are erased, but, on the other hand, many\n  prejudices are useful!  A scientist might argue he can better\n  evaluate the findings of a paper as a reviewer if he knows more\n  about the authors.  Likewise, he may be more likely to reject it\n  based on unfair or irrelevant criteria.  On the other side of the\n  connection,  the author may find identities of reviewers useful in\n  exerting pressure for acceptance.\n\n  Identity is especially crucial in establishing and regulating\n  `credit' (not necessarily financial) and `ownership' and `usage'. \n  Many functions in society demand reliable and accurate techniques\n  for identification. Heavy reliance will be placed on digital\n  authentication as global economies become increasingly electronic. \n  Many government functions and services are based on identification,\n  and law enforcement frequently hinges on it.  Hence, employees of\n  many government organizations push toward stronger identification\n  structures.  But when does identification invade privacy?\n\n  The growth of the internet is provoking social forces of massive\n  proportions. Decisions made now on issues of identity will affect\n  many future users, especially as the network becomes increasingly\n  global, universal, widespread, and entrenched; and the positive or\n  adverse affects of these actions, intended and inadvertent,  will\n  literally be magnified exponentially.\n\n_____\n<1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background?\n\n  Your email address may contain information that influences people's\n  perceptions of your background.  The address may `identify' you as\n  from a department at a particular university, an employee at a\n  company, or a government worker.  It may contain your last name,\n  initials, or cryptic identification codes independent of both.  In\n  the US some are based on parts of social security numbers.  Others\n  are in the form 'u2338' where the number is incremented in the\n  order that new users are added to the system.\n\n  Standard internet addresses  also can contain information  on your\n  broad geographical location or nationhood.  However, none of this\n  information is guaranteed to be correct or be there at all.  The\n  fields in the domain qualification of the username are based on\n  rather arbitrary organization, such as (mostly invisible) network\n  cabling distributions.  The only point to make is that early fields\n  in the address are more specific (such as specific computer names\n  or local networks) and the later ones the most general (such as\n  continental domains).  Typically the first field is the name of the\n  computer receiving mail.\n\n  Gleaning information from the email address alone is sometimes an\n  inspired art or an inconsistent and futile exercise.  (For more\n  information, see the FAQs on email  addresses and known\n  geographical distributions below.)  However, UNIX utilities exist\n  to aid in the quest (see the question on this).\n\n  Common Suffixes\n  ---------------\n\n  .us    United States\n  .uk    United Kingdom\n  .ca    Canada\n  .fi    Finland\n  .au    Australia\n\n  .edu   university or college\n  .com   commercial organization\n  .org   'other' (e.g. nonprofit organization)\n  .gov   government\n  .mil   military site\n \n_____\n<1.4> How can I find out more about somebody with a given email address?\n\n  One simple way is to send email to that address, asking.  Another\n  way is to send mail to the postmaster at that address (i.e.\n  postmaster@address), although the postmaster's job is more to help\n  find user ID's of particular people given their real name and solve\n  mail routing problems.  The sysadmin (i.e. `root@address') may also\n  be able to supply information.  Users with related email address\n  may have information.  However, all of these methods rely on the\n  time and patience of others so use them minimally.\n\n  One of the most basic tools for determining identity over the\n  internet is the UNIX utility 'finger'.  The basic syntax is:\n\n    finger user@here.there.everywhere\n\n  This utility uses communication protocols to query the computer\n  named in the address for information on the user named.  The\n  response is generated completely by the receiving computer and may\n  be in any format.  Possible responses are as follows:\n\n  - A message `unknown host' meaning some aspect of the address is\n    incorrect, two lines with no information and '???'.\n  \n  - A message 'In real life: ???' in which case the receiving computer\n    could not find any kind of a match on the username. The finger\n    utility may return this response in other situations.\n  \n  - A listing of information associated with multiple users. Some\n    computers will search only for matching user IDs, others will\n    attempt to find the username you specified as a substring of all\n    actual full names of users kept in a local database.\n  \n  At some sites 'finger' can be used to get a list of all users on the\n  system with a `finger @address'.  In general this is often\n  considered weak security, however, because `attackers' know valid\n  user ID's to `crack' passwords.\n\n  More information on the fields returned by `finger' is given below. \n  More information on `finger' and locating people's email addresses\n  is given in the email FAQ (such as the WHOIS lookup utility).  Just\n  as you can use these means to find out about others, they can use\n  them to find out about you.  You can `finger' yourself to find out\n  what is publicly reported by your UNIX system about you.  Be\n  careful when modifying `finger' data; virtually anyone with\n  internet access worldwide can query this information.  In one\n  amazing case, the New York Times writer J. Markoff uncovered the\n  identity of R. Morris, author of the Internet Worm,  through\n  the use of an anonymous tip and 'finger'.  See the book Cyberspace\n  by K. Hafner and J. Markoff.\n\n_____\n<1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet?\n\n  Generally, identity is an amorphous and almost nonexistent concept\n  on the Internet for a variety of reasons.  One is the inherent\n  fluidity of `cyberspace' where people emerge and submerge\n  frequently, and absences are not readily noted in the `community'. \n  Most people remember faces and voices, the primary means of casual\n  identification in the 'real world'.  The arbitary and cryptic \n  sequences of letters and digits comprising most email addresses are\n  not particularly noticeable or memorable and far from a unique\n  identification of an individual, who may use multiple accounts on\n  multiple machines anywhere in the world.\n\n  Currently internet users do not really have any great assurances\n  that the messages in email and USENET are from who they appear to\n  be. A person's mailing address is far from an identification of an\n  individual.  \n  \n  - Anyone with access to the account, e.g. they know the password,\n    either legitimately or otherwise, can send mail with that address\n    in the From: line.\n  \n  - Email addresses for an individual tend to change frequently as\n    they switch jobs or make moves inside their organizations. \n\n  - As part of current mailing protocol standards, forging the From:\n    line in mail messages is a fairly trivial operation for many\n    hackers.\n    \n  The status and path information prepended to messages by\n  intermediate hosts is generally unforgeable. In general, while\n  possible, forgeries are fairly rare on most newsgroups and in\n  email.  Besides these pathological cases abve there are many basic\n  problems with today's internet protocols affecting identification\n  on the internet:\n\n  - Internet mail standards, described in RFC-822, are still evolving\n    rapidly and not entirely orderly.  For example, standards for\n    mail address `munging' or `parsing' tend to vary slightly between\n    sites and frequently mean the difference between finding\n    addresses and bouncing mail.\n  \n  - Domain names and computer names are frequently changed at sites,\n    and there are delays in the propagation of this data.\n  \n  - Addresses cannot be resolved when certain critical computers\n    crash, such as the receiving computer or other computers involved\n    in resolving names into addresses called `nameservers'. \n  \n  - A whole slew of problems is associated with  `nameservers'; if\n    they are not updated they will not find name addresses, and even\n    the operation of what constitutes `updating' has different\n    interpretations at different sites.\n  \n  The current internet mailing and addressing protocols are slightly\n  anachronistic in that they were created when the network was\n  somewhat obscure and not widespread, with only a fraction of the\n  traffic it now sees.  Today a large proportion of internet traffic\n  is email, comprising  millions of messages.\n\n_____\n<1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet?\n\n  Some new technologies and standards are introducing facial images\n  and voice messages  into mail and these will improve the sense of\n  community that comes from the familiarity of identification.\n  However, they are not currently widespread, require large amounts\n  of data transfer, standardized software, and make some compromises\n  in privacy.\n\n  Promising new cryptographic techniques may make 'digital signatures'\n  and 'digital authentication' common (see below).  Also, the trend\n  in USENET standards is toward greater authentication of posted\n  information.  On the other hand, advances in ensuring anonymity\n  (such as remailers) are forthcoming.  See below.\n\n\nPRIVACY\n=======\n\n_____\n<2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet?\n\n  Generally, while `privacy' has multiple connotations in society and\n  perhaps even more on the internet, in cyberspace most take it to\n  mean that you have exclusive use and access to your account and the\n  data stored on and and directed to it (such as email), and you do\n  not encounter arbitrary restrictions or searches.  In other words, \n  others may obtain data associated with your account, but not\n  without your permission.  These ideas are probably both fairly\n  limiting and liberal in their scope in what most internet users\n  consider their private domains.  Some users don't expect or want\n  any privacy, some expect and demand it.\n\n_____\n<2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet?\n\n  This is a somewhat debatable and inflammatory topic, arousing\n  passionate opinions.  On the internet, some take privacy for\n  granted and are rudely surprised to find it tenuous or nonexistent.\n  Most governments have rules that protect privacy (such as the\n  illegal search and seizure clause of the U.S. constitution, adopted\n  by others) but have many that are antithetical to it (such as laws\n  prohibiting secret communications or allowing wiretapping). These\n  rules generally carry over to the internet with few specific rules\n  governing it.  However, the legal repercussions of the global\n  internet are still largely unknown and untested (i.e. no strong\n  legal precedents and court cases).  The fact that internet traffic\n  frequently passes past international boundaries, and is not\n  centrally managed, significantly complicates and strongly\n  discourages its regulation.\n\n_____\n<2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks?\n\n  - `Theoretically' people at any site in the chain of sites with\n    access to hardware and network media that transmits data over the\n    Internet  could potentially monitor or archive it. However, the\n    sheer volume and general 'noise' inherent to this data makes\n    these scenarios highly improbable, even by government agencies\n    with supposedly vast funding and resources.\n  \n  - Technologies exist to `tap' magnetic fields given off by\n    electrical wires without detection.  Less obscurely, any machine\n    with a network connection is a potential station for traffic\n    detection, but this scenario requires knowledge and access to\n    very low-level hardware (the network card) to pursue, if even\n    possible.\n  \n  - A company Network General Inc. is one of many that manufactures\n    and markets sophisticated network monitoring tools that can\n    'filter' and read packets by arbitrary criteria for\n    troubleshooting purposes, but the cost of this type of device is\n    prohibitive for casual use.\n\n  Known instances of the above types of security  breaches at a major\n  scale (such as at network hubs) are very rare. The greatest risks\n  tend to emerge locally.  Note that all these approaches are almost\n  completely defused with the use of cryptography.\n    \n_____\n<2.4> How (in)secure is my account?\n\n  By default, not very.  There are a multitude of factors that may\n  reinforce or compromise aspects of your privacy on the internet. \n  First, your account must be secure from other users. The universal\n  system is to use a password, but if it is `weak' (i.e. easy to\n  guess) this security is significantly diminished.  Somewhat\n  surprisingly and frighteningly to some, certain  users of the\n  system, particularly the administrator, generally have unlimited\n  access regardless of passwords, and may grant that access to\n  others.  This means that they may read any file in your account\n  without detection.\n\n  Furthermore, not universally known, most UNIX systems keep fairly\n  extensive accounting records of when and where you logged in, what\n  commands you execute, and when they are executed (in fact, login\n  information is usually public). Most features of this `auditing' or\n   `process accounting' information are enabled by default after the\n  initial installation and the system administrator may customize it\n  to strengthen or weaken it to satisfy performance or privacy aims. \n  This information is frequently consulted for troubleshooting\n  purposes and may otherwise be ignored.  This data tracks\n  unsuccessful login attempts and other 'suspicious' activities on\n  the system. A traditional part of the UNIX system that tracks user\n  commands is easily circumvented by the user with the use of\n  symbolic links (described  in 'man ln').\n  \n  UNIX implementations vary widely particularly in tracking features\n  and new sophisticated mechanisms are introduced by companies\n  regularly. Typically system adminstrators augment the basic UNIX\n  functionality with public-domain programs and locally-developed\n  tools for monitoring, and use them only to isolate `suspicious'\n  activity as it arises (e.g. remote accesses to the 'passwd' file, incorrect\n  login attempts, remote connection attempts, etc.).\n  \n  Generally, you should expect little privacy on your account for\n  various reasons:\n  \n  - Potentially, every keystroke you type could be intercepted by\n    someone else. \n\n  - System administrators make extensive backups that are completely\n    invisible to users which may record the states of an account over\n    many weeks. \n\n  - Erased files can, under many operating systems, be undeleted. \n\n  - Most automated services keep logs of use for troubleshooting or\n    otherwise; for example FTP sites usually log the commands and\n    record the domain originations of users, including anonymous\n    ones.\n\n  - Some software exacerbates these problems.  See the section on\n    ``X Windows (in)security''.\n\n  Indepedent of malevolent administrators are fellow users, a much\n  more commonly harmful threat. There are multiple ways to help\n  ensure that your account will not be accessed by others, and\n  compromises can often be traced to failures in these guidelines:\n\n  - Choose a secure password.  Change it periodically.\n  - Make sure to logout always.\n  - Do not leave a machine unattended for long.\n  - Make sure no one watches you when you type your password.\n  - Avoid password references in email.\n  - Be conservative in the use of the .rhost file.\n  - Use utilities like `xlock' to protect a station, but be\n    considerate.\n\n  Be wary of situations where you think you should supply your\n  password.  There are only several basic situations where UNIX\n  prompts you for a password: when you are logging in to a system or\n  changing your password.  Situations can arise in which prompts for\n  passwords are forged by other users, especially in cases where you\n  are talking to them (such as Internet Relay Chat).  Also, be  aware\n  that forged login screens are one method to illegitimately obtain \n  passwords.\n\n\n  (Thanks to Jim Mattson <mattson@cs.ucsd.edu> for contributions\n  here.)\n\n_____\n<2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories?\n\n  The most important privacy considerations are related to file\n  rights, and many lapses can be traced to their misunderstood nature\n  or haphazard maintenance. Be aware of the rights associated with\n  your files and directories in UNIX. If the `x' (`execute') right on\n  your parent directory is off for users, groups, and other, these\n  users cannot gain information on anything in your directories. \n  Anything less may allow others to read, change, or even delete\n  files in your home directory. The rights on a directory supersede\n  the rights associated with files in that directory. For a\n  directory, 'x' means that access to the files (or subdirectories)\n  in the directory is possible -- if you know their names.  To list\n  the contents of the directory, however, requires the 'r' right.\n \n  By default most accounts are accessable only to the owner, but the\n  initial configuration varies between sites based on administrator\n  preference.  The default file mode specifies the initial rights\n  associated with newly created files, and can be set in the shell\n  with `umask'.  The details of rights implementations tend to vary\n  between versions of UNIX.  Consult man pages on `chmod' and `ls'.\n\n  Examples\n  --------\n\n    traver.lance % ls -ld ~\n    drwx------ 15 ld231782     1536 Jan 31 21:22 \/users\/ld231782\/\n\n  Here is a listing of the rights associated with a user's home\n  directory, denoted by `~'.  The columns at the left identify what\n  rights are available. The first column identifies the entry as a\n  directory, and the next three columns mean that read, write, and\n  execute rights, respectively, are permitted for that user.  For\n  directories, the `x' right means that contents (file and\n  subdirectory names) within that directory can be listed. The\n  subsequent columns indicate that no other users have any rights to\n  anything in the directory tree originating at that point.  They\n  can't even `see' any lower files or subdirectories; the hierarchy\n  is completely invisible to them.\n\n    traver.lance % ls -l msg\n    -rw-r--r--  1 ld231782   35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg\n    traver.lance % chmod u=rw,g=,o= msg\n    traver.lance % ls -l msg\n    -rw-------  1 ld231782   35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg\n\n  Here the modes on the file `msg' were changed to take away rights\n  from `group' and `other'. \n  \n  Note that `ls -l <file>' requires both the 'r' right to get the list\n  of files and subdirectories, and the 'x' right to access the files\n  and subdirectories in order to get their size, etc. For example,\n  suppose the directory `foo' has rights dr--r--r--,  the following\n  is possible:\n\n    ls foo\n\n  These commands would fail independent of file rights:\n  \n    ls -l foo\n    ls -l foo\/file\n    cat foo\/file\n    cd foo\n\n  If the directory `foo' has rights d--x--x--x, the following are\n  possible if it is known beforehand that `foo' contains an 'r'\n  readable file named `file':\n  \n    ls -l foo\/file\n    cat foo\/file\n    cd foo\n  \n  The following commands fail:\n  \n    ls foo\n    ls -l foo\n  \n\n  (Thanks to Uwe Waldmann <uwe@mpi-sb.mpg.de> for contributions here.)\n\n_____\n<2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows?\n\n  X Windows is the primary software developed by the MIT Athena\n  project which is funded by U.S. government grants to develop\n  applications to harness the power of networks in enhancing\n  computational tasks, particularly the human-computer interface. \n  The software implements a client-server interface to a computer via\n  graphical windows. In this case the `client' is the application\n  requesting or utilizing  graphical resources (such as windows or a\n  mouse) and the `server' is the machine that provides them.  In many\n  situations the client is an application program running on the same\n  machine as the server.\n\n  The great utility of X Windows comes from its complete dissociation\n  of the client and server so that windows may be `broadcast' to a\n  server at a remote location from the  client. Unfortunately this\n  dynamic power also introduces many deep, intricate, and complicated\n  security considerations.  The primary security and privacy issue\n  associated with X Windows is that much more sensitive data may be\n  sent over a network, and over wider regions, than in the case where\n  the human is situated near the host computer.  Currently there is\n  no encryption of data such as screen updates and keystrokes in X\n  Windows.\n\n  Due to either intentional design decisions or unintentional design\n  flaws,  early versions of the X Window system are extremely\n  insecure. Anyone with an account on the server machine can disrupt\n  that display or read it electronically based on access to the\n  device unix:0.0 by any regular user.   There are no protections\n  from this type of access in these versions.   The problem arises\n  because the security is completely based on machine addresses\n  rather than users, such that any user at a `trusted' machine is\n  himself trusted. Quoting from X documentation (man Xsecurity):\n  \n  > Any client on a host in the host access control list is allowed\n  > access to the X server. This system can work reasonably well in\n  > an environment where everyone trusts everyone, or when only a\n  > single person can log into a given machine...This system does not\n  > work well when multiple people can log in to a single machine and\n  > mutual trust does not exist. \n  \n  With the access control list, the `xhost' command may prevent some\n  naive attempts (i.e. those other than the direct-access unix:0.0\n  evasion); the syntax as typed on the host machine is  ``xhost\n  +[name]'' where [name] is the domain name or internet address of an\n  authorized client machine. By default clients running nonlocal to\n  the host are disabled.  Public domain programs to disrupt a display\n  momentarily (such as 'flip' or slowly mirror the screen image, or\n  cause pixels to 'melt' down to the bottom) have been circulating on\n  the internet among hackers for several years and played as pranks\n  on unsuspecting or inexperienced users.  Much more serious security\n  breaches are conceivable from similar mechanisms exploiting this\n  inherent weaknesses.  (The minimal, easily-bypassed `trusted'\n  security mode of `xhost' has been jokingly referred to as ``X\n  Hanging Open, Security Terrible.''). \n\n  New versions of the X Window system (X11R5 and higher) by default \n  make server access as secure as the file system using a .Xauthority\n  file and 'magic cookies'.  Remote machines must have a code in the\n  .Xauthority file in the home directory that matches the code\n  allowed by the server.  Many older programs and even new\n  vendor-supplied code does not support or is incompatible with\n  `magic cookies'. The basic magic cookie mechanism is vulnerable to\n  monitoring techniques described earlier because no encryption of\n  keys occurs in transmission.  X11R5 also includes other\n  sophisticated encryption mechanisms.  Try `man Xsecurity' to find\n  out what is supported at your site.  Even though improved security \n  mechanisms have been available in X Windows since ~1990, local\n  sites often update this software infrequently because installation\n  is extremely complex.\n\n\n  (Thanks to Marc Vanheyningen <mvanheyn@whale.cs.indiana.edu>, \n  Jim Mattson <mattson@cs.ucsd.edu>, and Bill Marshall\n  <marshall@cs.iastate.edu> for contributions here.)\n\n_____\n<2.7> How (in)secure is my email?\n\n  By default, not very.  The characters that you are reading are\n  almost certainly encoded in ASCII, the American Standard Code for\n  Information Interchange that maps alphabetic and symbolic\n  characters onto numeric codes and vice versa.  Virtually every\n  computer system uses this code, and if not, has ways of converting\n  to and from it.  When you write a mail message, by default it is\n  being sent in ASCII,  and since the standard is virtually\n  universal, there is no intrinsic privacy.  Despite milleniums worth\n  of accumulated cryptographic knowledge, cryptographic technologies\n  are only recently being established that afford high priority to\n  privacy as a primary criteria in computer and network design.  Some\n  potential pitfalls in privacy are as follows:\n\n  - The most serious threats are instances of immature or unscrupulous\n    system operators reading private mail in the `spool files' at a\n    local site (i.e. at the source or destination of the message),\n    such as a university. \n  \n  - System administrators may also release files to law enforcement\n    agencies, but conventions and protocols for warrants involving\n    computer searches have still not been strongly established and\n    tested legally.\n\n  - Note that bounced messages go to postmasters at a given site in\n    their entirety.  This means that if you address mail with an\n    incorrect address it has a good chance of being seen by a human\n    other than the recipient.\n\n  - Typically new user accounts are always set up such that the local\n    mail directory is private, but this is not guaranteed and can be\n    overridden.\n\n  - Finally, be aware that some mailing lists (email addresses of \n    everyone on a list) are actually publicly accessable via mail \n    routing software mechanisms.  This `feature' can be disabled.\n\n  Most potential compromises in email privacy can be thoroughly\n  avoided with the use of strong end-to-end cryptography, which has\n  its own set of caveats (for example, unscrupulous administrators\n  may still be a threat if the encryption site is shared or\n  nonlocal).  See the sections on ``email privacy'' and ``email\n  policies.''\n\n_____\n<2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings?\n\n  As punishment or whatever, your system administrator can revoke\n  certain `privileges' such as emailing, USENET posting or reading\n  certain groups, file transferring, remote communications, or\n  generally any subset of capabilities available from your account. \n  This all is completely at the discretion of the local administrator\n  and under the procedures followed at a particular site, which in\n  many cases are haphazard and crisis-oriented.  Currently there are\n  virtually no widespread, uniform guidelines or procedures  for\n  restricting use to any internet services, and local administrators\n  are free to make arbitrary decisions on access.\n\n  Today punitive measures are regularly applied in various situations.\n  In the typical scenario complaint(s) reach a system adminstrator\n  regarding abuses by a user, usually but not necessarily preceded by\n  complaints to the user in email, regarding that person's\n  objectionable email or postings.  `abusive' posters to USENET are\n  usually first given admonitions from their system administrators as\n  urged by others on the `net'. (The debate persists endlessly on\n  many newsgroups whether this is also used  as a questionable means\n  of attacking or silencing `harmless crackpots' or censoring\n  unpopular opinions.)\n  \n  System administrators at remote sites regularly cooperate to\n  'squelch' severe cases of abuse.  In general, however, by tradition\n  Usenet readers are remarkably tolerant of diverse views and uses of\n  the system, but a colorful vocabularly of slang helps describe\n  their alternatives when this patience is sapped: the options\n  wielded by the individual user are to simply advance to the next\n  message (referred to as ``hitting the `n' key''), or to `plonk'\n  annoying posters (according to the Hacker's Dictionary, the sound a\n  jerk makes at the end of a fall to the bottom of a kill file).\n\n  In cases where punitive actions are applied, generally system\n  administrators are least likely to restrict email.  USENET postings\n  are much more commonly restricted, either to individual users or \n  entire groups (such as a university campus).  Restrictions are most\n  commonly associated with the following `abuses':\n\n  - harassing or threatening notes, `email terrorism'\n  - illegal uses, e.g. piracy or propagation of copyrighted material\n  - `ad hominem' attacks, i.e. insulting the reputation of the\n    poster instead of citing the content of the message\n  - intentional or extreme vulgarity and offensiveness\n  - inappropriate postings, esp. binary files in regular groups\n    `mail-bombing': inundating mail boxes with numerous or massive\n    files\n\n  Major problems originate from lack of distinctions in private and\n  official email or postings.  Most users have internet access via\n  accounts at businesses or universities and their activities on the\n  internet can be construed as representative of their parent\n  organizations. Many people put disclaimers in their `signatures' in\n  an attempt dissociate their identity and activities from parent\n  organizations as a precaution. A recent visible political case\n  involves the privacy of electronic mail  written by White House\n  staff members of the Bush administration.  Following are some\n  guidelines:\n\n  - Acquaint yourself with your company or university policy.\n  - If possible, avoid use of your company email address for private\n    communication.\n  - Use a disclaimer.\n  - Keep a low profile (avoid `flamewars' or simply don't post).\n  - Avoid posting information that could be  construed to be\n    proprietary or `internal'.\n\n  The following references are available from ftp.eff.com\n  (see also the section on ``internet use policies''):\n\n  \/pub\/academic\/banned.1991\n  \/pub\/academic\/banned.1992\n  ---\n    Computer material that was banned\/challenged in academia in 1991\n    and 1992 including USENET hierarchies.\n\n  \/pub\/academic\/cases\n  ---\n    This is an on-line collection of information about specific\n    computers and academic freedom cases. File README is a detailed\n    description of the items in the directory.\n\n  \/pub\/academic\/faq\/netnews.liability\n  ---\n    Notes on university liability for Usenet.\n\n_____\n<2.9> How do I provide more\/less information to others on my identity?\n\n  The public information of your identity and account is mostly\n  available though the UNIX utility `finger' described above. \n  \n  - You have control over most of this information with the utility\n    `chfn', the specifics vary between sites (on some systems use\n    `passwd -f').\n   \n  - You can provide unlimited information in the .plan file which is\n    copied directly to the destination during the fingering. \n    \n  - A technique that works at some sites allows you to find out who is\n    'finger'ing you and even to  vary the .plan file sent to them.\n    \n  - Your signature is determined by the environment variable SIGNATURE\n    \n  - USENET signatures are conventionally stored in the .signature file\n    in your home directory.\n    \n  Providing less information on your online identity is more difficult\n  and involved.  One approach is to ask your system adminstrator to\n  change or delete information about you (such as your full name). \n  You may be able to obtain access on a public account or one from\n  someone unrelated to you personally.  You may be able to remotely\n  login (via modem or otherwise) to computers that you are not\n  physically near.  These are tactics for hiding or masking your\n  online activities but nothing is foolproof.  Consult man pages on\n  the 'chmod' command and the default file mode.  Generally, files on\n  a shared system have good safeguards within the user pool but very\n  little protection is possible from corrupt system administrators.\n\n  To mask your identity in email or on USENET you can use different\n  accounts. More untraceable are new `anonymous posting' and\n  remailing services that are very recently being established.  See\n  below.\n\n______\n<2.10> Who is my sysadmin?  What does s\/he know about me?\n\n  The requirements and screening for getting a system administration\n  job (and thereby access to all information on a system) vary widely\n  between sites and are sometimes frighteningly lax, especially at\n  universities.  Many UNIX systems at universities are largely\n  managed by undergraduates with a background in computing and often\n  `hacking'.  In general, commercial and industrial sites are more\n  strict on qualifications and background, and government sites are\n  extremely strict.\n\n  The system adminstrator (root user) can monitor what commands you\n  used and at what times.  S\/he may have a record (backups) of files\n  on your account over a few weeks. S\/he can monitor when  you send\n  email or post USENET messages, and potentially read either.  S\/he\n  may have access to records indicating what hosts you are using,\n  both locally and elsewhere.  Administrators sometimes employ\n  specialized programs to  track `strange' or `unusual' activity,\n  which can potentially be misused.\n\n______\n<2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet?\n\n  For the numerous reasons listed above, privacy should not be an\n  expectation with current use of the internet.  Furthermore, large\n  parts of the internet are funded by the U.S. NSF (National Science\n  Foundation) which places certain restrictions on its use (such as\n  prohibiting commercial use).  Some high-level officials in this and\n  other government agencies may be opposed to emerging techniques to\n  guarantee privacy (such as encryption and anonymous services).\n\n  Historically the major threats to privacy on the internet have been\n  local. Perhaps the most common example of this are the widespread\n  occurrences of university administrators refusing to carry some\n  portion of USENET newsgroups labelled as `pornographic'. The\n  `alternative' hierarchy in the USENET system, which has virtually\n  no restrictions on propagation and new group creation, is\n  frequently targeted (although this material may appear anywhere).\n\n  From the global point of view traffic is generally completely\n  unimpeded on the internet  and only the most egregious offenders\n  are pursued.  For example,  verbatim transcriptions of copyrighted\n  material (such as newspaper or magazine articles) are posted to\n  USENET with regularity without major consequences (some email\n  complaints may ensue).  More astonishing to some is that currently\n  significant portions of USENET traffic, and less so internet\n  traffic, is comprised of sexually-explicit digitized images almost\n  entirely originating from copyrighted material (newsgroups such as\n  `alt.sex' regularly have the  highest traffic).\n  \n______\n<2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet?\n\n  Some argue that the internet currently has an adequate or\n  appropriate level of privacy.  Others will argue that as a\n  prototype for future global networks it has woefully inadequate\n  safeguards.  The internet is growing to become a completely global,\n  international superhighway for data, and this traffic will\n  inevitably entail data such as voice messages, postal mail, and\n  many other items of extremely personal nature. Computer items that\n  many people consider completely private (such as their local hard\n  drives) will literally be inches from global network connections.\n  Also, sensitive industrial and business information is exchanged\n  over networks currently and this volume may conceivably merge with\n  the internet.\n  \n  Most would agree that, for these basic but sensitive uses of the\n  internet, no significant mechanisms are currently in place to\n  ensure much privacy. New standards are calling for uniform\n  introduction of `privacy enhanced mail' (PEM) which uses encryption\n  technologies to ensure privacy, so that privacy protection is\n  automatic, and may significantly improve safeguards.\n\n  The same technology that can be extremely destructive to privacy\n  (such as with  surreptitious surveilance) can be overwhelmingly\n  effective in protecting  it (e.g. with encryption). Some government\n  agencies are opposed to unlimited privacy in general, and believe\n  that it should lawfully be forfeited in cases of criminal conduct\n  (e.g. court-authorized wiretapping).  However, powerful new\n  technologies to protect privacy on computers are becoming\n  increasingly popular, provoking some to say that ``the cat is out\n  of the bag'' and the ``genie can't be put back in the bottle''.  In\n  less idiomatic terms, they believe that the spread of strong\n  cryptography is already underway will be socially and technically\n  unstoppable.\n  \n  To date, no feasible system that guarantees both secure\n  communication and government oversight has been proposed (the two\n  goals are largely incompatible). Proposals for ``registration'' of\n  secret keys (by D. Denning on sci.crypt, for example) have been met\n  with hot controversy at best and ridicule and derision at worst,\n  mainly because of concerns for the right to privacy and objections\n  of inherent feasibility.  Electronic privacy issues, and\n  particularly the proper roles of networks and the internet, will\n  foreseeably become highly visible and explosive over the next few\n  years.\n\n\nANONYMITY\n=========\n\n_____\n<3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet?\n\n  Simply stated, anonymity is the absence of identity, the\n  ultimate in privacy. However, there are several variations on\n  this simple theme.  A person may wish to be consistently\n  identified by a certain pseudonym or `handle' and establish a\n  reputation under it in some area, providing pseudo-anonymity.\n  A person may wish to be completely untraceable for a single\n  one-way message (a sort of `hit-and-run'). Or, a person may\n  wish to be openly anonymous but carry on a conversation with\n  others (with either known or anonymous identities) via an\n  `anonymous return address'.  A user may wish to appear as a\n  `regular user' but actually be untraceable.  Sometimes a user\n  wishes to hide who he is sending mail to (in addition to the\n  message itself). The anonymous item itself may be directed at\n  individuals or groups.  A user may wish to access some\n  service and hide all  signs of the association. \n  \n  All of these uses are feasible on the internet but are currently\n  tricky to carry out in practice, because of all the tracking\n  mechanisms inherent to operating systems and network protocols. \n  Officials of the NSF and other government agencies may be opposed\n  to any of these uses because of the potential for abuse. \n  Nevertheless, the inherent facelessness of large networks will\n  always guarantee a certain element of anonymity.\n\n_____\n<3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet?\n\n  Anonymity is another powerful tool that can be beneficial or\n  problematic depending on its use.  Arguably absence of\n  identification is important as the presence of it.  It may be the\n  case that many strong benefits from electronic anonymity will be\n  discovered that were unforeseen and unpredicted, because true\n  anonymity has been historically very difficult to establish.\n\n  One can use anonymity to make personal statements to a colleague\n  that would sabotage a relationship if stated openly (such as\n  employer\/employee scenarios).  One can use it to pass information\n  and evade any threat of direct retribution.  For example,\n  `whistleblowers' reporting on government abuses (economic, social,\n  or  political) can bring issues to light without fear of stigma or\n  retaliation. Sensitive, personal, potentially damaging information\n  is often posted to some USENET groups, a risky situation where\n  anonymity allows conversations to be carried on completely\n  independent of the identities of the participants.  Some police\n  departments run phone services that allow anonymous reporting of\n  crimes; such uses would be straightforward on the network.\n  Unfortunately, extortion and harassment become more insidious with\n  assurances of anonymity.\n\n_____\n<3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet?\n\n  The chief means, as alluded to above, are masking identities in\n  email and posting. However, anonymous accounts (public accounts as\n  accessable and anonymous as e.g. public telephones) may be\n  effective as well, but this use is generally not officially\n  supported and even discouraged by some system adminstrators and NSF\n  guidelines.  The nonuniformity in the requirements of obtaining\n  accounts at different sites and institutions makes anonymous\n  accounts generally difficult to obtain to the public at large.\n\n  Many communications protocols are inherently detrimental to\n  anonymity.  Virtually every protocol in existence currently\n  contains information on both sender and receiver in every packet.\n  New communications protocols will likely develop that guarantee\n  much higher degrees of secure anonymous communication.\n\n_____\n<3.4> What is `anonymous mail'?\n\n  One approach to `anonymizing' mail has been to set up an `anonymous\n  server' that, when activated by email to its address, responds by\n  allocating and supplying an `anonymous ID' that is unique to the\n  person requesting it (based on his email address).  This will vary\n  for the same person for different machine address email\n  originations. To send anonymous mail, the user sends email directed\n  to the server containing the final destination. The server\n  `anonymizes' the message by stripping of identification information\n  and forwards the message, which appears to originate from the\n  anonymous server only from the corresponding anonymous user id. \n  This is the `interactive' use of anonymity or pseudonymity\n  mentioned above.\n\n  Another more `fringe' approach is to run a `cypherpunk' remailer\n  from a regular user account (no root system privileges are\n  required). These are currently being pioneered by  Eric Hughes and\n  Hal Finney <hal@alumni.caltech.edu>. The operator runs a process on\n  a machine that anonymizes mail sent to him with certain\n  characteristics that distinguish it from his regular incoming mail\n  (typically fields in the header). One has been implemented as a \n  PERL script running on UNIX.  Several of these are in existence\n  currently but sites and software currently are highly unstable;\n  they may be in operation outside of system administrator knowledge.\n  The remailers don't generally support anonymous return addresses. \n  Mail that is incorrectly addressed is received by the operator. \n  Generally the user of the remailer has to disavow any\n  responsibility for the messages forwarded through his system,\n  although actually may be held liable regardless.\n\n  These approaches have several serious disadvantages and weaknesses:\n  \n  - The anonymous server approach requires maintaining a mapping of\n    anonymous ID's to real addresses that must be maintained\n    indefinitely.  One alternative is to allow `deallocation' of\n    aliases at the request of the user, but this has not been\n    implemented yet.\n\n  - Although an unlikely scenario, traffic to any of these sites could\n    conceivably be monitored from the `outside', necessitating the\n    use of cryptography for basic protection,.\n\n  - Local administrators can shut them down either out of caprice or\n    under pressure from local, network, or government agencies.\n  \n  - Unscrupulous providers of the services can monitor the traffic\n    that goes through them.\n\n  - Most remailers currently keep logs that may be inspected. \n\n  - The cypherpunk approach tends to be highly unstable because these\n    operators are basically  network users who do not own the\n    equipment and are accountable  to their own system\n    administrators, who may be unaware of the use and unsympathetic\n    to the philosophy of anonymity when the operation is discovered,\n    regarding it as illicit use. \n\n  - In all cases, a high degree of trust is placed in the anonymous\n    server operator by the user.\n\n  Currently the most direct route to anonymity involves using SMTP\n  protocols to submit a message directly to a server with arbitrary\n  field information.  This practice, not uncommon to hackers, and the\n  approach used by remailers, is generally viewed with hostility by\n  most system administrators.  Information in the header routing data\n  and logs of network port connection information may be retained\n  that can be used to track the originating site.  In practice, this\n  is generally infeasible and rarely carried out.  Some\n  administrators on the network will contact local administrators to\n  request a message be tracked and its writer admonished or punished\n  more severely (such as revoking the account), all of this actually\n  happening occasionally but infrequently.\n\n  See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and \n  ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''.\n\n_____\n<3.5> What is `anonymous posting'?\n\n  Anonymous servers have been established as well for anonymous Usenet\n  posting with all the associated caveats above (monitored traffic,\n  capricious or risky local circumstances, logging).  Make sure to\n  test the system at least once by e.g. anonymous posting to\n  misc.test (however some operators don't recommend this because many\n  sites `autorespond' to test messages, possibly causing the\n  anonymous server to allocate anonymous IDs for those machines). \n  See the ``responsibilties associated with anonymous posting''\n  before proceeding.\n\n  Another direct route involves using NNTP protocols to submit a\n  message directly to a newserver with arbitrary field information.\n  This practice, not uncommon to hackers, is also generally viewed\n  with hostility by most system administrators, and similar\n  consequences can ensue.\n\n  See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and \n  ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''.\n\n_____\n<3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet?\n\n  As noted, many factors compromise the anonymity currently available\n  to the general internet community, and these services should be\n  used with great caution.  To summarize, the technology is in its\n  infancy and current approaches are unrefined, unreliable, and not\n  completely trustworthy.  No standards have been established and\n  troubling situations of loss of anonymity and bugs in the software\n  are prevalent.  Here are some encountered and potential bugs: \n  \n  - One  anonymous remailer reallocated already allocated anonymous\n    return addresses. \n  - Others passed signature information embedded in messages\n    unaltered. \n  - Address resolution problems resulting in anonymized mail bounced\n    to a remailer are common.\n  - Forgeries to the anonymous server itself are a problem,  possibly\n    allowing unauthorized users to potentially glean anon ID - email\n    address  mappings in the alias file.  This can be remedied with\n    the use of passwords.\n  - Infinite mail loops are possible with chaining remailers.\n  \n  Source code is being distributed, tested, and refined for these\n  systems, but standards are progressing slowly and weakly.  The\n  field is not likely to improve considerably without  official\n  endorsement and action by network agencies.  The whole idea is\n  essentially still in its infancy and viewed with suspicion and\n  distrust by many on the internet, seen as illegitimate or favorable\n  to criminality.  The major objection to anonymity over regular\n  internet use  is the perceived lack of accountability to system\n  operators, i.e. invulnerability to account restrictions resulting\n  from outside complaints.  System adminstrators at some sites have\n  threatened to filter anonymous news postings generated by the\n  prominent servers from their redistribution flows.  This may only\n  have the effect of encouraging server operators to create less\n  characteristically detectable headers.  Probably the least\n  problematic approach, and the most traditional to Usenet, is for\n  individual users to deal with anonymous mail however they prefer,\n  e.g. ignoring it or filtering it with kill files.\n  \n_____\n<3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet?\n\n  New anonymous protocols effectively serve to significantly increase\n  safeguards of anonymity.  For example, the same mechanism that\n  routes email over multiple hosts, thereby threatening its privacy,\n  can also be used to guarantee it. In a scheme called `chaining' an\n  anonymous message is passed through multiple anonymous servers\n  before reaching a destination.  In this way generally multiple\n  links of the chain have to be `broken' for security to be\n  compromised. Re-encryption at each link makes this scenario even\n  more unlikely.  Even more significantly the anonymous remailers\n  could be spread over the internet globally so that local weaknesses\n  (such as corrupt governments or legal wiretapping within a nation)\n  would be more unlikely to sacrifice overall security by message\n  tracing. However, remailers run by corrupt operators are possible.\n  \n  The future of anonymous services on the internet is, at this time,\n  highly uncertain and fraught with peril. While specific groups seem\n  to benefit significantly from anonymous posting capabilities, many\n  feel that unlimited newsgroup scope for anonymous posting is a\n  disruptive and dangerous idea and detracts from discussions in\n  `serious' groups.   The introduction of unlimited group anonymity\n  may have fundamental repercussions on Usenet conventions and\n  distribution mechanisms such as moderated and `alt' groups have had\n  in the past. For example, as part of new group creation, the\n  charter may specify whether `anonymous' posting is (un)welcome. \n\n  Nevertheless, the widespread introduction and use of anonymity may\n  be inevitable. Based on traffic statistics, anonymous services are\n  in huge demand. Pervasive and readily available anonymity could\n  carry significant and unforeseen social consequences.  However, if\n  its use is continued to be generally regarded as subversive it may\n  be confined to the underground.  The ramifications of widespread\n  introduction of anonymity to Usenet are still largely unknown. It\n  is unclear whether it will provoke signficant amounts of new\n  traffic or, instead of expansion, cause a shift where a greater\n  portion of existing traffic is anonymized.  Conceivably the\n  services could play a role in influencing future mainstream social\n  acceptance of Usenet.\n\n\n* * *\n\nThis is Part 1 of the Privacy & Anonymity FAQ, obtained via anonymous\n  FTP to pit-manager@mit.edu:\/pub\/usenet\/news.answers\/net-privacy\/ or \n  newsgroups news.answers, sci.answers, alt.answers every 21 days.\nWritten by L. Detweiler <ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu>.\nAll rights reserved.\n\n","2351":"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)\nSubject: Re: What is Zero dB????\nArticle-I.D.: rave.1pseebINNhn6\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.092913.18724@sei.cmu.edu> rsd@sei.cmu.edu (Richard S D'Ippolito) writes:\n>\n>In article <1pkveuINNduk@gap.caltech.edu>, Joseph Chiu writes:\n>\n>> The Ohmite company was the first to characterize resistances by numbers, thus\n>> our use of the Ohms...\n>\n>\n>Yeah, right.  And the company was started by George Simon Ohmite.\n\nThat's completely inaccurate.  The ohm was an original standard made equal\nto a the resistance of a standardized electric stove heating element.  That's\nwhere the song \"Ohm on the Range\" came from, of course.\n--scott\n","2352":"From: jpb@calmasd.Prime.COM (Jan Bielawski)\nSubject: Re: Clipper Chip. LONG follow up.\nOrganization: Computervision, San Diego, CA\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.030538.1@cc.curtin.edu.au> zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au (Paul Repacholi) writes:\n<> \n<> QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION'S\n<> TELECOMMUNICATIONS INITIATIVE\n<> \n<> Q:   Suppose a law enforcement agency is conducting a wiretap on\n<>      a drug smuggling ring and intercepts a conversation\n<>      encrypted using the device.  What would they have to do to\n<>      decipher the message?\n<> \n<> A:   They would have to obtain legal authorization, normally a\n<>      court order, to do the wiretap in the first place.  They\n<>      would then present documentation of this authorization to\n<>      the two entities responsible for safeguarding the keys and\n<>      obtain the keys for the device being used by the drug\n<>      smugglers.  The key is split into two parts, which are\n<>      stored separately in order to ensure the security of the key\n<>      escrow system.\n\nI apologize for being so dense but this sentence reads as if it\nwas lifted from a Luis Bunuel screenplay.  Am I missing something?\nWhy on earth would drug smugglers even _use_ the device then?\nObviously, they'll be using something like triple encryption DES instead.\nAs long as alternatives to Clipper remain legal, Clipper accomplishes\nabsolutely nothing, ZERO, as far as law enforcement is concerned.\nThe whole scheme is an absolute, total, incredible, waste of government\ntime and money AS LONG AS other encryption schemes that are any good \nremain legal.  In order for Clipper to work as intended all strong\ncryptosystems have to be outlawed.\n\n\tJan Bielawski\n\tComputervision, San Diego\n\tjpb@calmasd.prime.com\n\n","2353":"From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time\nLines: 36\n\nparr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:\n\n>>>My TOP 10 list of dumbest automotive concepts ever\n>>>\n>>>9. Back-up lights on Corvette - they're on the sides of the car!\n>>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n>>Sure would be interested to know what year(s) this was!\n>>I don't seem to recall ANY car with back-up lights on the sides, much\n>>less any Corvette.  I suppose I could be mis-interpreting what you are\n>>trying to say here.....\n\n>Just a quick comment. Backup lights mounted on the side\n>would actually be *extremely* useful for people backing out of\n>parking stalls...\n\nWhile I can't think of any Corvettes with side mounted backup lights,\nI know that Saab started using them about 15 years ago.  My 1975 Saab 99\ndidn't have them, but a friend's 1978 Saab 99 certainly did.  In addition\nto the confentional tail-light mounted backup lights, they had another\nset integrated into the front turn signal assembly.  For those of you who\ndon't remember, Saabs of that vintage had an enormous multicoloured plastic\ngrowth, about the size of a _National Geographic_ magazine, sticking out\nof the front fender, which incorporated amber \"parking lights\", amber side\nmarker lights\/reflectors, white \"cornering lamps\" (like American luxury\ncars) aimed towards the side of the road when you have your turn indicators\non, and white \"backup lights\" aimed towards the back of the car when you\nhave selected reverse gear.  The glossy brochure showed how these front\nmounted backup lights were useful for illuminating hazards (pot holes, kid's\ntoys, etc) that would be run over by the front of the car if you had the\nwheels turned while backing up.\n\nMart L. Molle\nComputer Systems Research Institute\nUniversity of Toronto\nToronto, Canada M5S 1A4\n(416)978-4928\n","2354":"Subject: Vonnegut\/atheism\nFrom: dmn@kepler.unh.edu (...until kings become philosophers or philosophers become kings)\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\nLines: 21\n\n\n\n   Yesterday, I got the chance to hear Kurt Vonnegut speak at the\nUniversity of New Hampshire. Vonnegut succeeded Isaac Asimov as the \n(honorary?) head of the American Humanist Association. (Vonnegut is\nan atheist, and so was Asimov) Before Asimov's funeral, Vonnegut stood up\nand said about Asimov, \"He's in heaven now,\" which ignited uproarious \nlaughter in the room. (from the people he was speaking to around the time\nof the funeral)\n\n\t \"It's the funniest thing I could have possibly said\nto a room full of humanists,\" Vonnegut said at yesterday's lecture. \n\n         If Vonnegut comes to speak at your university, I highly recommend\ngoing to see him even if you've never read any of his novels. In my opinion,\nhe's the greatest living humorist. (greatest living humanist humorist as well)\n\n\n   Peace,\n\n     Dana\n","2355":"From: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nSubject: Smith Corona Typewriter for sale, Model SCM 70 electric\nNntp-Posting-Host: cunixb.cc.columbia.edu\nReply-To: gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare)\nOrganization: PhDs In The Hall\nDistribution: ny,nj\nLines: 23\n\n\n        Smith Corona Typewriter for sale,\n\n        Model SCM 70 electric.\n\nGreat for forms, envelopes, labels, small things, etc. that you just\ncan't do with your microcomputer.\n\nBuilt like a tank, but not big nor that heavy.  A classic compact\nelectric, with padded storage bag.  No scratches, enamel paint chips\nor dents.  Cloth ribbon, 2 colours.  Will accept best offer near $70.\n\n(Selling for a friend, so these are her instructions not mine.\nRSVP to this account, though.  Make any other offers anyways,\nI'll pass them along.  A single sheet-feeder for the Macintosh\nImagewriter II would be acceptable in trade, for example.)\n\ngld\n--\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\nGary L. Dare\n> gld@columbia.EDU \t\t\tGO  Winnipeg Jets  GO!!!\n> gld@cunixc.BITNET\t\t\tSelanne + Domi ==> Stanley\n","2356":"Subject: Re: Postscript view for DOS or Windows?\nFrom: hjstein@sunrise.huji.ac.il (Harvey J. Stein)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: \/home\/staff\/hjstein\/.organization\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sunrise.huji.ac.il\nIn-reply-to: paladin@world.std.com's message of Thu, 8 Apr 1993 21:40:44 GMT\nLines: 6\n\nI've been using version 2.5.2 of ghostscript, and I'm quite satisfied\nwith it.  There are, actually, 3 versions:  a plain dos version, a 386\nversion, and a windows version.\n\nHarvey Stein\nhjstein@math.huji.ac.il\n\n","2357":"From: vbv@lor.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <Apr.22.00.56.15.1993.2073@geneva.rutgers.edu> hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za (Steve Hayes) writes:\n\n>A similar analogy might be a medical doctor who believes that a blood \n>transfusion is necessary to save the life of a child whose parents are \n>Jehovah's Witnesses and so have conscientious objections to blood \n>transfusion. The doctor's efforts to persuade them to agree to a blood \n>transfusion could be perceived to be arrogant in precisely the same way as \n>Christians could be perceived to be arrogant.\n\n>The truth or otherwise of the belief that a blood transfusion is necessary \n>to save the life of the child is irrelevant here. What matters is that the \n>doctor BELIEVES it to be true, and could be seen to be trying to foce his \n>beliefs on the parents, and this could well be perceived as arrogance.\n\nLet me carry that a step further.  Most doctors would not claim to be \ninfallible.  Indeed, they would generally admit that they could conceivably\nbe wrong, e.g. that in this case, a blood tranfusion might not turn out to \nbe necessary after all.  However, the doctors would have enough confidence\nand conviction to claim, out of genuine concern, that is IS necessary.  As\nfallible human beings, they must acknowledge the possibility that they are\nwrong.  However, they would also say that such doubts are not reasonable,\nand stand by their convictions.\n\n-- \nVirgilio \"Dean\" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics \n\t CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee\n    \"Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!\"   |    My boss is a \n   \"Not very well.  He doesn't look like one at all!\"  |  Jewish carpenter.\n","2358":"From: dlb@fanny.wash.inmet.com (David Barton)\nSubject: Re: \"Proper gun control?\" What is proper gun control? (was Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card)\nIn-Reply-To: bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:16:21 GMT\nNntp-Posting-Host: fanny.wash\nOrganization: Intermetrics Inc., Washington Division, USA\nLines: 15\n\n \/ iftccu:talk.politics.guns \/ hays@ssd.intel.com (Kirk Hays) \/\n   3:31 pm  Apr 13, 1993 \/ \n\n   >Some of the pro-gun posters in this group own no guns.  The dread\n   >\"Terminator\", aka \"The Rifleman\", owned no firearms for several\n   >years while posting in this group, as an example.  There are\n   >others.\n\nFor what it is worth, I own no firearms of any sort.  As long-time\nreaders of this group know, I am dedicated to the RKBA.\n\nThis is not about toys.  It is about freedom.\n\n\t\t\t\t\tDave Barton\n\t\t\t\t\tdlb@hudson.wash.inmet.com\n","2359":"Subject: Re: Broken rib\nFrom: jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca\nOrganization: The Old Frog's Almanac, Nanaimo, B.C.\nKeywords: advice needed\nSummary: thanx for the comeback\nLines: 7\n\nHello , I think you are probaly right, in spite of the movement\nit is getting better each day.  cheers\n\n           jc@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (John Cross)\n     The Old Frog's Almanac  (Home of The Almanac UNIX Users Group)    \n(604) 245-3205 (v32)    <Public Access UseNet>    (604) 245-4366 (2400x4)\n        Vancouver Island, British Columbia    Waffle XENIX 1.64  \n","2360":"From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nSubject: Re: ORGAN DONATION AND TRANSPLANTATION FACT SHEET\nReply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)\nOrganization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.150018.641@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com> dougb@ecs.comm.mot.com writes:\n\n>My wife cannot donate blood because she has been to a malarial region\n>in the past three years.  In fact, she tried to have her bone marrow\n>typed and they wouldn't even do that!  Why?\n>\nThe FDA, I believe.  Rules say no blood or blood products donations\nfrom anyone who has been in a malarial area for 3 years.  I was a platelet\ndonor until my Thailand trip and my blood bank was very disappointed\nto find out they couldn't use me for 3 years.\n\n>\n>When the secretary of state asked me if I wanted to donate my\n>organs I said no because I figured that no one would want them\n>given my history.  Was I correct?\n>\nNot necessarily.  The same rules may not apply to organ donation\nas to blood donation.  In fact, I'm sure they don't.\n\n\n\n-- \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\nGordon Banks  N3JXP      | \"Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and\ngeb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu   |  it is shameful to surrender it too soon.\" \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2361":"From: thssjxy@iitmax.iit.edu (Smile)\nSubject: FORSALE:   Used Guitar amp.\nArticle-I.D.: iitmax.1993Apr15.223158.15645\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Illinois Institute of Technology\nLines: 14\n\n\nTwo years old Crate Guitar Amplifier model G80XL. \n\t\n\t- Handles upto 80 Watts.\n\t- Dual Input.\n\t- Two channels.\n\t- Reverb.\n\t- Three band eq.\n\t- Distortion.\n\n\nI am asking $150.\n(send me a mail to \"thssjxy@iitmax.acc.iit.edu\" if you are interested.)\nPrices maybe negotiable.\n","2362":"From: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)\nSubject: Re: problem with xvertext package\nReply-To: brown@ftms.UUCP (Vidiot)\nOrganization: Vidiot's Other Hangout\nLines: 22\n\nIn article <1993Mar31.181357.28381@sierra.com> dkarr@sierra.com (David Karr) writes:\n<I might have a need in the future to display rotated text.  I noticed the\n<\"xvertext\" package on the net.  It looks very good, but it has one slight\n<problem.  The API to it assumes you have a font name, not an already loaded\n<font.  It shouldn't be too difficult to split up the function into two\n<interface routines, one with a font name, and one with an XFontStruct, but\n<I thought I would ask the author (Alan Richardson\n<(mppa3@uk.ac.sussex.syma)) first in case he was planning this already.\n<Unfortunately, his email address bounced.  Does Alan R. or the current\n<maintainer of \"xvertext\" see this?\n\nThe e-mail address you mentioned above is for use with the U.K.  As you know,\nthe Brits do everything backwards :-)  So, the real address from the states is:\n\n\tmppa3@syma.sussex.ac.uk\n\nGive it a try.\n-- \nharvard\\\n  ucbvax!uwvax!astroatc!ftms!brown  or  uu2.psi.com!ftms!brown\nrutgers\/\nINTERNET: brown@wi.extrel.com  or  ftms!brown%astroatc.UUCP@cs.wisc.edu\n","2363":"From: michal+@cs.cmu.edu (Michal Prussak)\nSubject: \"Illegal\" tint windows\nNntp-Posting-Host: gs58.sp.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 38\n\nI know it's a long shot, but maybe someone went through this and will have\nsome comments to share.\n\nThe story is this: I bought a car out of state, and I'm trying to get\nthe safety inspection in Pennsylvania. The problem is that the car has \naftermarket tint on all windows except the windshield. The tint is rather\nweak, and you can clearly see the inside of the car through the tint.\n\nThe inspection garage said that they won't pass it unless I get a\nwaiver from the state police. So I went to the state police - the\nofficer told me that aftermarket tint is illegal, and I can get a\nwaiver only for a pre-84 car or for a medical reason. I asked him to\nshow me the section of the vehicle code that says it's illegal.  He\nshowed it to me and the paraghaph said that you can't have tint, if\nyou can't see the inside of the car because of the tint. When I told\nhim that you can in fact see the inside very well, he shut the book\nand said \"It's just illegal, and in fact we can have someone give you\na ticket for it right now.\" Well, won't argue with that...\n\nSince the vehicle code says it's OK as long as you can see through the\ntint, I'd like to keep it (I'll re-read the vehicle code in the\nlibrary).  I'd also like to get some sort of paper from the police\nthat says it's OK, so I can get the inspection, and so that I won't\nget in trouble for the tint later on. I also wouldn't mind registering\na complaint against that officer - he really pissed me off.\n\nSo does anyone have any experience getting that sort of a paper from\nthe police, especially in Pennsylvania? Does anyone have any experience\nregistering a complaint against an officer? I called the station \nlater on today, but they basically said there is no place where I\ncould register a complaint against an officer... And if I do decide\nto keep the tint and get a ticket anyway, how much of a chance do\nI stand to succesfully appeal the ticket in court?\n\nAny comments about it will be welcome!\n\nMichal\n\n","2364":"From: sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik)\nSubject: Re: Objective morality (was Re: <Political Atheists?)\nOrganization: Cookamunga Tourist Bureau\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1qlf7gINN8sn@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith\nAllan Schneider) wrote:\n> Which type of morality are you talking about?  In a natural sense, it\n> is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't\n> adversely affect your own, I guess).\n\nHehehe, so you say, but this objective morality somehere tells you \nthat this is not the case, and you don't know all the rules of such\ntranscendental game systems...\n\nCheers,\nKent\n---\nsandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n","2365":"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)\nSubject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post\nOrganization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division\nLines: 73\n\nIn article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:\n>In article 26051@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:\n>>In article <1qc529$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:\n>\n>>>Single-track snow vehicles with front skis, and snow skis attached to\n>>>skiers' legs, deform the surface of the snow, creating their own bank.\n>>>Ice skates alter the phase of the ice, and also \"carve\" out their own\n>>>tracks.\n>>So what? \n>\n>So they have bugger all to do with motorcycles.  Hence, any apparent\n>similarity in handling characteristics may, or may *not* be analagous\n>in its underlying physics to that behind motorcycle handling\n>characteristics.\n\nOK, as one last attempt, I'll take a different tack.\n\nWe all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why\none can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is,\nis one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to\ndesign an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and\nsee which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of\nus who have bikes are familiar.\n\nLet's look at the one that, so far, has sparked no controversy on its\nown, gyroscopic precession. To examine this alone, we would have to\nget rid of the contact patch effect, by not allowing the contact patches\nto transmit any force. The wheels and steering mechanism would have to\nremain, and be attached to a vehicle with about the same weight as a bike,\nthrough suspension (so that the wheels transmit forces to the bike the\nsame way) similar to a bikes. An experiment would be to ride a bike along \na dry road to get moving and to get the wheels spinning, then change \nsurfaces to something that won't transmit forces through the contact \npatches, and try a steering manoeuvre to see if the bike leans. It \nprobably would, since some of us know how easy it is to fall down on ice, \nbut we wouldn't get a good idea of how well or what it feels like \nbecause, without the contact patches, we can't turn.  Maybe there's a \nbetter way. Besides, even ice doesn't get rid of the contact patch\nforces altogether, so we'd have to find a really frictionless surface.\nYou'd have to try it again with the wheels locked to really know if it\nwas the rotation that did it.\n\nLooking at the contact-patch effect only, however, is fairly simple.\nNow we have to find a vehicle that gets the about the same magnitude and\ndirection of cantact patch forces as a motorcycle, and transmits them\nabout the same way to the vehicle, but without rotating wheels.\nHow it gets the contact patch forces is irrelevant, we're just looking\nfor something that has contact patches that can go straight and not\nsideways, and skis or skates would do fine. I don't know of any snow-ski\nor skate bikes, but up here we have the Suzuki Wetbike that is arranged\nlike a motorcycle but has fat water skis where there should be wheels.\nI think the propellor is in front of the rear ski, or something like\nthat, but we could try it at a coast to get rid of most of its effect.\nNow I admit that this is second hand info (although I'd love to try\none of these), but the review in the local cycle rag and a guy in\na bike shop that sells them both say that this machine handles very\nmuch like a motorcycle, in that you countersteer it to turn.\nSo we have contact patches that transmit similar forces to a bike's,\na similar suspension arrangement, and no gyroscopes, but we do have\ncountersteering.\n\nConclusion: you don't need gyroscopes to countersteer vehicles that have\nmotorcycle-like contact patch arrangements. We still don't know what\nreal effect the gyroscopes have when they're there, but from my observations\nof how handlebar angle, force, etc. relate to steering in general, I'm \nwilling to bet that they're not the dominant factor in countersteering. \n\nIf you don't like this conclusion, then don't accept it, but my motorcycle's\nbehaviour is consistent with it. If someone can prove otherwise, go ahead.\n\nI've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV\n     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca\n                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada\n","2366":"From: casu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ching Tzu Andrea Su)\nSubject: Software Unlimited?\nArticle-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.195910.20328\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 12\nNntp-Posting-Host: top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n\n\nSorry to waste the bandwidth. Does anyone know a software mail order company \ncalled \"Software Unlimited\"? I ordered a software from them and they charged my\ncredit card but never did send the package to me.\n\nI call them many times but nobody answer the phone. I also check Computer\nShoppers and found they don't advertise anymore. If you know if they are still\nin business or you know how to contact them, please tell me.\n\nThank you very much.\n\nChing-Tze Su\n","2367":"From: tristant@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Tristan Tarrant)\nSubject: Paradise VGA\nOrganization: University of Sussex\nLines: 13\n\nI have a Paradise SVGA with 1Mb, the 90c030 chip (1D). The docs say that\nI can display the following modes : 640x480x32k colours and 800x600x32k cols\nif I have the RAMDAC HiColor Chip. I have checked the board and I do have\nsuch a chip. Now, the problem is that I can't get this mode to work !\nGraphics Workshop 6.1 claims that it can display 24 bit images dithered\ndown to 15 bit colour with my board, but it doesn't work. I have tried\nwriting some assembler code to get the modes working and I have found out\nthat each pixel is addressed by a word ( 16 bit ), but only the lower 8 bits\nare considered ( this happens in 800x600 mode, the 640x480 mode refuses to\nwork i.e. remains in text mode ).\nCould someone please help me.\n\nTristan\n","2368":"From: marshatt@feserve.cc.purdue.edu (Zauberer)\nSubject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...\nOrganization: Purdue University\n \n Can we please stick to AUTOMOTIVE topics . Thank you.\nLines: 1\n\n\n","2369":"From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC)\nSubject: How 2 Get Fontname from Fonstruct ???\nOrganization: NASA\/Goddard Space Flight Center\nLines: 11\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov\nOriginator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov\n\n\nAnyone know how an application can retrieve the name of the font from\nan application given an XFontStruct *? \nWould XGetFontProperty work if I passed XA_FONT_NAME? \nanyone know details of this?  Thanks in advance.\nBrian\n\n-- \nBrian Dealy                |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at  \ndealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov   |            | that's important,it's knowing\n!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy   |            | where it's not at...  B.Dylan\n","2370":"From: rjtapp@neumann.uwaterloo.ca (Riston Tapp)\nSubject: Re: Bruins vs Canadiens:\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.213513.7683@rose.com> jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes:\n>On April 14,  richard@amc.com (Richard Wernick) wrote:\n>\n>or Boston? You know Sinden's going to find some way of screwing up \n>even this good Boston team. He'll fire Suter or trade away a vital \n>star. (Admittedly, his last few trades have been good ones but how \n>long before his luck runs out and he starts making Esposito-for-\n>Ratelle type trades again?) \n>\n\nHow was this trade bad? I seem to recall Ratelle and Middleton making a pretty\ngood centre - right wing combination, and the Bruins also got Brad Park in the\ndeal (and they also lost Vadnais and somebody else). After the trade, the \nBruins were in two finals and one semi-final, all of which, of course, they \nlost to Montreal (which should please you to no end). I doubt, however, keeping\nEsposito would have made a difference in those series, as he did not for\nthe Rangers in '79 (or any of his years in Boston, for that matter).\n\nRiston\n-- \nRiston\n------\n            _  ___  _\n\t   \/\/^\/o o\\^\\\\\n","2371":"From: penev@rockefeller.edu (Penio Penev)\nSubject: Re: 486\/66DX2 (ISA) vs. 486\/50DX2 (EISA)\nReply-To: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu\nOrganization: Rockefeller University\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nX-Posted-From: venezia.rockefeller.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sol.ctr.columbia.edu\nLines: 14\n\nOn Fri, 16 Apr 1993 10:00:19 GMT Jesper Honig Spring (spring@diku.dk) wrote:\n\n| Can anyone give me their opinion on which system has got the best overall\n| system performance;\n\n| 486\/66DX2 with ISA-BUS or\n| 486\/50DX2 with EISA-BUS\n\n468DX2\/66 EISA\/VESA. Royal, among others, is celling such a system for $2010.\n\n--\nPenio Penev  x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu\n\nDisclaimer: All oppinions are mine.\n","2372":"From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares)\nSubject: Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting\nOrganization: Stratus Computer, Inc.\nLines: 144\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: rocket.sw.stratus.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.221646.2332@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:\n\n> >        You might have missed the U.S. News & World Report excerpt\n> > I posted.  It is fairly consistant with other such polls, finding\n> > that approximately 40-50% of households have at least one firearm.\n\n> \tOK ... a near-majority actually OWN firearms, but I will still\n> \tclaim that the VAST majority never needs to use them or even\n> \tthreaten anyone with them.\n\n500,000 to 1,000,000 self-defense incidents a YEAR doesn't count with you?\n\n>       What do they do right ... or are\n> \tthey just lucky ? \n\nMaybe they're just UNLUCKY.  If a rapist pulls a woman into an alley\nin Boston, chances are almost certain that she won't be counted \nas one of those self-defenders because our local constabulary didn't\nconsider it important that she be allowed to arm herself.  Even though\nthe shotgun she owns at home makes her show up in the \"gun owner\" column.\n\n>       In either case, this means the 'average\n> \tthreat level' in this country is rather low. \n\nIronic words for somebody who lives in Florida.  The \"average threat\nlevel\" in Florida has been REDUCED by a liberal CCW policy.  It's well\nknown that your local thugs like to target tourists precisely because \nthey are less likely to be carrying than your natives.  Come on up to\nBoston, or NYC, or Washington DC, and see how much diddlysquat the \n\"average threat level in the country\" means to a resident there.\n\n> \tI think you have weapons on the brain. I never said that these\n> \talternative means of self-protection involved any hardware.\n> \tWhy are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every\n> \tperson is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude\n> \tand (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents\n> \tmake themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when\n> \tstrangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups\n> \tlike 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative\n> \teffectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the\n> \tgood neighbors step up and say \"THAT'S the one officer ! He\n> \twas robbing Mr. Jones' house\". \n\nSometimes this works.  Sometimes it just lands your good neighbors \non the dance card for the next wave of drive-bys.  Someone here once\ntold a story about LA gangs moving into Phoenix.  I've misplaced the\noriginal text, but the story started with one resident calling the \ncops on a gang member.  Sure enough, a few nights later, there was a \ndrive-by performed at the resident's house.  Except that this time,\nunlike in LA, the entire street came out and returned fire, putting\nan end to the car's occupants.  The gang packed up and left.\n\nOf course, in LA, or in a place like Florida after the hurricane,\nyour first problem is to FIND an officer to step up to and tell\nanything.\n\n> \tIn short, the alternative to firepower is gangs ... or at\n> \tleast a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative.\n> \tReplace lead with flesh ... the flesh makes a better\n> \tconversationalist too and you can invite it over for a\n> \tblock party. \n\nLook, nobody is arguing this.  I have a fire extinguisher at home.  \nThat doesn't mean I can be careless about tossing my burnt matches \non the carpet.  I live carefully, monitor the woodstove, get my flue\ncleaned twice a year, and test my smoke alarms annually.  But if --\nDESPITE all this -- a fire does start, it's too late for any of\nthese things EXCEPT the extinguisher.\n\n> >        But legality and legitimacy also matter.  If a government's charter\n> > makes a rule, which the government then violates, it is violated the\n> > basis for its existance.  Enforcement of its will becomes a matter\n> > solely of force of arms.\n> \n> \tOliver North. The man is positively worshiped in many\n> \tall-American 'conservative' quarters. He and Big Ron\n> \tset-up a secret government and did all sorts of severely\n> \tillegal deeds - the kind of stuff you and I would be doing\n> \ttwenty-to-life for, yet he walks free. This BS happens all\n> \tthe time. In fact, it happens so much that no one really\n> \tcares anymore.  'Legitimacy' is a non-issue. Legality is\n> \ta non-issue. So long as we get T-bones and our MTV, who\n> \tgives a rats ass ? \n\nYou seem to be agreeing with your opponent.  You can't trust your\ngovernment to protect you from abusers and violators -- white-collar,\nblue-collar, epauletted, or tank-shirted.  Ultimately, no one has the\npower to enforce your \"rights\" but you.  Unless you've given up that \npower.\n\n> \tNo. I claimed that no one is interested in the statistical\n> \taspects of the argument. Pure emotion, like the abortion issue.\n\nToo many people fit that category, that is true.  Some of us like to\nbelieve that they are uninterested in the facts behind the case for gun \nownership because they've been conditioned to believe that there AREN'T \nany.  You seem content to underestimate the electorate; I'm willing to\ntry to raise their consciousness.\n\n> \tArgue away ... you can't win. \n\nI think we can.\n\nHCI was founded in what, 1980?  In the mid-80's, they ran a \"One \nMillion Strong!\" campaign for two years before reaching this goal.  \nMy understanding is that they \"reached\" it by the stratagem of including\nwide classes of people other than dues-paying members.  (I can't speak\nauthoritatively on this -- maybe somebody else has details.)  Then they\nstarted running a \"Two Million Strong!\" campaign for a while -- but they\nlet it slip into unannounced obscurity when it became clear that they\nsimply were never going to reach that level of membership.\n\nIn 1964, just after the commencement of the Dodd Hearings -- the starting\npoint of the modern gun-control movement, the NRA had a mere 625,000 members.  \nBy 1968, barely after the first murmurs of future registration, it had \nabout a million.  Today, it has over three million members, making it the\nthird largest membership organization in the country (next to AARP and AAA).\nAnd its membership is GROWING FASTER than at any previous time.  (Historical\nfigures from Kukla's \"Gun Control,\" pp. 61 and 420.)\n\nAs you say, many of the people in the middle of this debate are bemused\nby their T-bones and MTV.  That leaves hard-core gun-owners against \nhard-core gun banners.\n\nI know a number of ex-HCI members who have recently become NRA members.\nI've never heard of a single one who has gone the other way.\n\nYes, I think we can and will win this one.\n\n> \tFirearms-related mindless mayhem will be related to the\n> \tavailibility of firearms. If they become scarce and \n> \tand expensive, a different psychology will take hold.\n> \tI *think* they would be used far less to settle trivial\n> \tcomplaints. \n\nI think they would be used far less to hammer nails, as well, but,\nlike you, I can't give any citation showing that this utilization is\nCURRENTLY significant at more than an anecdotal level.  If you can, \nI'm waiting.\n-- \n\ncdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com   --If you believe that I speak for my company,\nOR cdt@vos.stratus.com        write today for my special Investors' Packet...\n\n","2373":"From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)\nSubject: Re: Clipper considered harmful\nLines: 12\n\n\tFrom: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\n\n\tYou obviously haven't read the information about the system. The chips\n\tput out serial number infomation into the cypher stream to allow\n\tthemselves to be identified. The system does not rely on registering\n\tpeople as owning particular phone units.\n\nAnd probably as a back door to allow re-generation of the secret key.\n\nHave we determined yet that S1 and S2 don't ever change?\n\nG\n","2374":"From: dmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Dean R Money)\nSubject: How difficult is it to get Penguin tickets?\nNntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 6\n\nThe subject line says it all.  Is it terribly difficult to get tickets\nto Penguins games, especially now that they are in the playoffs?  Would\nit be easy to find scalpers outside of the Igloo selling tickets?\n\nDean Money\ndmoney@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\n","2375":"From: bart@splunge.uucp (Barton Oleksy)\nSubject: Re: LA ON ABC IN CANADA\nOrganization: Ashley, Howland & Wood\nLines: 25\n\nplarsen@sanjuan (P Allen Larsen) writes:\n\n>In article <boora.735182771@sfu.ca> boora@kits.sfu.ca (The GodFather) writes:\n>>\tWas the ABC coverage of the Kings\/Flames game supposed to be the\n>>way it was shown in BC with CBC overriding the ABC coverage?  When I flipped\n>>to ABC, it was the same commentators, same commercials even.  My question\n>>is:  Was this the real ABC coverage or did CBC just \"black out\" the \n>>ABC coverage for its own?\n>>\n\n>Yes, it's called simulcast.  In Canada, when a Canadian station and an \n>American station are showing the same thing whether a sporting event or\n>Cheers on Thursday night, the Canadian signal is broadcast over the American\n>station. They even do this during the Superbowl, which has the best commercials\n>of any television.  What do we get here, dumb Canadian commercials, the same\n>ones we've seen for that last year or so.\n\nI'm in Edmonton, and while that's usually (or at least OFTEN) the case,\nhere we were \"treated\" to the actual ABC telecast of the Kings\/Flames\ngame.  I'm with whoever said it earlier - Don Witless (er, Whitman) is\na poor commentator, and not just for hockey.  Normally, if the Oilers\nwere still playing (augh), I would turn off the sound and listen to \nthe radio broadcast to get decent play-by-play announcing.\n\nBart, Edmonton\n","2376":"From: x90sanson@gw.wmich.edu\nSubject: What's the diff.between mouse.sys\/com??\nOrganization: Western Michigan University\nLines: 8\n\nWhat's the difference between loading mouse.com in autoexec.bat and\ndoing device=mouse.sys in config.sys??\n\nwhich one is better?\n\nThanks a lot\n\nenrique\n","2377":"From: gardner@convex.com (Steve Gardner)\nSubject: Re: Gov't break-ins (Re: 60 minutes)\nNntp-Posting-Host: imagine.convex.com\nOrganization: Engineering, CONVEX Computer Corp., Richardson, Tx., USA\nX-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer\n              Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and\n              not necessarily those of CONVEX.\nLines: 25\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.155733.114@pasadena-dc.bofa.com> franceschi@pasadena-dc.bofa.com writes:\n>In Viet Nam, Lt Calley was tried and convicted of murder because his\n>troops, in a war setting, deliberately killed innocent people. It is time\n>that the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to\n>standards at least as moral as the military's.\n\tHere! Here!  But any call for responsibility and accountability \n\tfrom police is invariably interpreted as being \"soft on crime\".\n\tBeing \"tough on crime\" and building more prisons and seizing more\n\tproperty is the politically astute thing to do these days.\n\n\n>Greed killed the rancher, possibly greed killed the Davidian children.\n>Government greed.\n\tAnd citizen complacency!\n\n>It is time to prosecute the leaders who perform these invasions.\n\tDon't forget the politicians that write the laws that make it\n\teasy for the police agencies to become corrupt.  The War on Some\n\tDrugs brought us this corruption and only an end to it (legalization)\n\twill stop the corruption.\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\tsmg\n\n\n","2378":"From: Mikael Fredriksson <Mikael.Fredriksson@macexchange.se>\nSubject: RE-Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???\nX-Mailer: TeleFinder (version 3.0)\r\nOrganization: Mac Exchange BBS\r\n             BBS +46-31-948290, FAX +46-31-948294\r\n             PL 3813,S-437 92 Lindome, Sweden\r\nLines: 5\n\n \rIn article <C5L39p.2qz@news.udel.edu>, johnston@me.udel.edu (Bill Johnston) writes:\r|> In article <1993Apr16.144750.1568@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> nodine@lcs.mit.edu (Mark H. Nodine) writes:\r|> >I don't know about the specific problem mentioned in your\r|> >message, but I definitely had SCSI problems between my\r|> >Q700 and my venerable Jasmine Megadrive 10 cartridge\r|> >drives.  My solution was to get Silverlining.  None of\r|> >the loops that involved blind writes worked to the drives;\nop that worked was the \"Macintosh\r|> >Software\" loop (whatever that means).\r|> \r|> I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem.  I had to get\r|> rid of my \"venerable\" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough \r|> cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing \r|> worth more than my whole computer ;).  The tech support guys\r|> at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers \r|> might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't \r|> format\/mount\/partition for A\/UX.  \r\nhat the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my\rMac Plus and my Powerbook 140.  It was for this reason I assumed\rthe problem had something to do with the Quadra.  Even with the\rQuadra, they mostly worked OK.  The problem occurred when I ejected\ra cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes\rsaying \"This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware\"\reven though there was no cartridge in the drive.\r\r\t--Mark\r\nt to format) I have this confirmed from Apple Computer in Sweden (I work for a Apple dealer as a service tech). We had problems that Quadras wanted to format a diskette or a Syquest when ther was nothing in the drive. This problem was fixed sytem 7.1\r\rMikael Fredriksson\r\r-------------------------------------------------\remail: mikael_fredriksson@macexchange.se\r\rMac Exchange BBS\rPL 3813\rS-437 92 Lindome\rSweden\rBBS +46-31-948290 (5 lines)\rFAX +46-31-948294\rFIDO 2:203\/211\r  \n<Disclaimer: Mac Exchange BBS cannot be held responsible for the contents of this message>\r\n","2379":"From: dennisk@cs.uoregon.edu (Dennis Kennedy)\nSubject: '72 Chevelle SS forsale\nOrganization: University of Oregon\nLines: 11\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: fp2-cc-25.uoregon.edu\n\nI don't want to sell this car, but I need money for college.\n1972 Chevelle Super Sport\nRebuilt 402, four speed, 12 Bolt positrac\nNumbers match\n110,000 original miles\nno rust\nLooks and runs excellent\n$5995 or best offer.\nCall Dennis at (503)343-3759\nor email dennisk@cs.uoregon.edu\n\n","2380":"From: HOLFELTZ@LSTC2VM.stortek.com\nSubject: Re: Krillean Photography\nNntp-Posting-Host: lstc2vm.stortek.com\nOrganization: StorageTek SW Engineering\nX-Newsreader: NNR\/VM S_1.3.2\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu>\ntodamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes:\n \n>In article <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu>, todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M. Huey) writes:\n>> I think that's the correct spelling..\n>\n>The proper spelling is Kirlian. It was an effect discoverd by\n>S. Kirlian, a soviet film developer in 1939.\n>\n>As I recall, the coronas visible are ascribed to static discharges\n>and chemical reactions between the organic material and the silver\n>halides in the films.\n>\n>--\n>         Tarl Neustaedter       Stratus Computer\n>         tarl@sw.stratus.com    Marlboro, Mass.\n>Disclaimer: My employer is not responsible for my opinions.\n>\n>I think that's the correct spelling..\n>        I am looking for any information\/supplies that will allow\n>do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures. I'm thinking\n>that education suppliers for schools might have a appartus for\n>sale, but I don't know any of the companies. Any info is greatly\n>appreciated.\n>        In case you don't know, Krillean Photography, to the best of my\n>knowledge, involves taking pictures of an (most of the time) organic\n>object between charged plates. The picture will show energy patterns\n>or spikes around the object photographed, and depending on what type\n>of object it is, the spikes or energy patterns will vary. One might\n>extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object within\n>the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature.\n>\n>\nTo construct a Kirlian device find a copy of _Handbook of Psychic\nDiscoveries_ by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder 1975 Library of\nCongress 73-88532.  It describes the necessary equipment and\n suppliers for the Tesla coil or alternatives, the copper plate and\nsetup. I used a pack of SX-70 film and removed a single pack in a\ndark room, then made the exposure, put it back in the film pack and\nran it out through the rollers of the camera forinstant developing\nand very high quality.  It is a good way to experience what Kirlian\nPhotography is really and what it is not.  As you know all ready,\nit is the pattern in the bioplasmic energy fieldthat is significant.\nVariations caused by exposure time, distance from the plate, or\npressure on the plate, or variations in the photo materials are not\nimportant.\n \nHard copy mail; Mark C. High\n                P O Box  882\n                Parowan,  UT\n                       84761\n \n \n","2381":"From: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nSubject: Armenian-Nazi Collaboration During World War II.\nReply-To: sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic)\nDistribution: world\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <2BC0D53B.20378@news.service.uci.edu> tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) writes:\n\n>Is it possible to track down \"zuma\" and determine who\/what\/where \"seradr\" \n>is? \n\nDone. But did it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, \nthe Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated \nin the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion\nand national origin? By the way, you still haven't corrected yourself.\nDuring World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and\ncringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication\nin Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1]\n\n\"Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews)\n when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it \n becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon\n method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical\n operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing.\" \n\nNow for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews -\nextracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San\nFrancisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published\nin the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian.\n\n \"...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities\n  against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the \n  murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian \n  neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish \n  and\/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see \n  the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors...\n  Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise \n  to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would \n  help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of\n  the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian!\n  I don't need your bias.\"  \n\n  Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California.\n\n[1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian\n    Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer:\n    June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38.\n\nSerdar Argic\n\n                           'We closed the roads and mountain passes that \n                            might serve as ways of escape for the Turks \n                            and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'\n                                                  (Ohanus Appressian - 1919)\n                           'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists \n                            a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)\n\n","2382":"From: bchase@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Bret Chase)\nSubject: Re: 68040 Specs.\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 23\nNNTP-Posting-Host: bigwpi.wpi.edu\n\nIn article <rayC5Myqo.o8@netcom.com> ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:\n>patrickd@wpi.WPI.EDU (Lazer) writes ...\n>>I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following:\n>>(if you only know one, that's fine)\n>>>>>>>>>stuff deleted<<<<<<<<<\n\nHave you tried the library?\nSince you go to WPI (so do I), go to AK and look on the first floor, a \nprofessor has posted an IEEE (i believe) spec sheet on the 68060 which\nis around 10 pages long.  I'm sure the library has the info you request, It's\njust a matter of finding it.\n\n\nHope this helps,\nBret Chase\n\n\n\n-- \ninternet:bchase@wpi.wpi.edu\t\t\tMacintosh!\nbellnet: (508) 791-3725                         Smile! It won't kill you!\nsnailnet: wpi box 3129                          :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)\n          100 institute rd.\t\t\tWorcester, MA 01609-2280\n","2383":"From: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard)\nSubject: Re: Ad said Nissan Altima best seller?\nOrganization: Sun Microsystems\nLines: 9\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM\nNNTP-Posting-Host: clesun.central.sun.com\n\n>I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that\n>Nissan claims that the Altima is \"the best selling new car namelplate in\n>the US\" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics\n>dept. would have been proud of that sentence.\n\n\nNote that the Corolla\/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new \n\"nameplates.\"  I guess Nissan doesn't even sell as many Altimas as\nToyota does Corollas, or there would be no \"nameplate\" qualifier.\n","2384":"From: \"Terence M. Rokop\" <tr2i+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: NCAA finals...Winner????\nOrganization: Freshman, Physics, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr4.165655.16932@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>\n\nktgeiss@miavx1.acs.muohi writes:\n\n>Lake State\/Maine in finals...WHO WON?   Please post.\n\nMaine 5, LSSU 4.\n\n\n\n                                                Terry\n","2385":"From: rbacalzo@quasar.sierra.com (Roger Bacalzo)\nSubject: Victoria, B.C. Hotel Room $40\/2 nights\nArticle-I.D.: sierra.1993Apr20.162758.11363\nOrganization: Sierra Geophysics, Inc.  Kirkland, WA\nLines: 27\n\nVictoria Hotel Reserv. 2 nights $40\n\nMID-WEEK (Sun - Thurs) Hotel reservation available for Victoria, Canada.\n2 nights\/3 days for $40.  Expires June 1, 1993.\n\nThis is a LETTER OF CREDIT (fully transferrable) issued by HOTELCO for\na hotel room in any of a number of available hotels in Victoria, Canada.\nHOTELCO is a reputable hotel booking company that provides hotel stays at \nlow prices.  This LETTER OF CREDIT normally works for weekends, too, but\nall weekends are booked solid for the summer.\n\nSo, check with HOTELCO directly for available dates at one of its member\nhotels to use this LETTER OF CREDIT before June 1.  HOTELCO can be reached \nat (206)485-5200 in Bothell or 1-800-645-8885 during regular business hours.\n\nThen, if you find an acceptable reservation date, contact me for this\nLETTER OF CREDIT.\n\nRoger Bacalzo\nrbacalzo@sierra.com\n(206)828-9094 (home)\n(206)822-5200 x360 (work)\n-- \nRoger Bacalzo\nSierra Geophysics\t\n11255 Kirkland Way      \t(206) 822-5200 ext. 360\nKirkland, WA  98033\t\trbacalzo@sibu.sierra.com\n","2386":"From: snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols)\nSubject: Re: Why Spanky?\nOrganization: Adobe Systems Incorporated\nLines: 18\n\nIn article <1ql93bINN1s5@postoffice1.psc.edu> boone@psc.edu (Jon Boone) writes:\n>       Spanky is too slow!  If he were quicker, he would still be here.\n>But with Slaught and Tom Prince, they didn't want to lose Prince in order\n>to bring up that 11th pitcher.  Slaught is about as good as Spanky and\n>Prince is coming along nicely!\n\nTom Prince is a 28 year old no-hit catcher.  Think of him as a young Dann\nBilardello.  I can't begin to fathom why the Pirates have been so afraid of\nlosing this guy, who's been in AAA most of the last 5 seasons.  The Pirates\nreleased Kirk Gibson last year because Prince was out of options, then\neventually sent Prince down anyway, and he cleared waivers without a peep.\nHe's another year older, and still can't hit; why do they think he wouldn't\nclear waivers now?  Why would they care?\n\nSherri Nichols\nsnichols@adobe.com\n\n\n","2387":"From: tas@pegasus.com (Len Howard)\nSubject: Re: Question from an agnostic\nOrganization: Pegasus,  Honolulu\nLines: 18\n\nHi Damon,  No matter what system or explanation of creation you wish\nto accept, you always have to start with one of two premises, creation\nfrom nothing, or creation from something.  There are no other\nalternatives.  And if we accept one or the other of those two\npremises, then again there are two alternatives, either creation was\nrandom, or was according to some plan.\n   If it was random, I am unable to accept that the complex nature of\nour world with interrelated interdependent organisms and creatures\ncould exist as they do.  Therefore I am left with creation under the\ncontrol of an intelligence capable of devising such a scheme.  I call\nthat intelligence God.\n   I also prefer the \"Creatio ex nihilo\" rather than from chaos, as it\nis cleaner.\n   There is obviously no way to prove either or neither.  We are and\nwe must have come from somewhere.  Choose whatever explanation you\nfeel most comfortable with, Damon.  You are the one who has to live\nwith your choice.\nShalom,                                  Len Howard\n","2388":"Subject: Re: Keeping Your Mouth Shut (was: Hard drive security)\nFrom: vkub@charlie.usd.edu (Vince Kub)\nReply-To: vkub@charlie.usd.edu\nOrganization: The University of South Dakota Computer Science Dept.\nNntp-Posting-Host: charlie\nLines: 82\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.143712.15338@cadkey.com>, eric@cadkey.com (Eric Holtman) writes:\n>In article <Apr13.011855.69422@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU> holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:\n>>\n>>I'm not a lawyer, so correct me if I'm wrong, but doing that could be\n>>considered obstruction of justice, which could land you in prison for\n>>quite a while.\n>>\n>>The thing that's great about the secret key is it is IDEA encrypted, so\n>>even if the FBI do get the key, they're SOL unless they know the magic\n>>word.  If they try to force you to give them your pass phrase, just say\n>>\"Oops, I forgot.\"  Since the burden of proof is still on the prosecution\n>>in this country, if you keep your mouth shut, how can they prove that you\n>>didn't forget your pass phrase.\n>>\n>\n>Well, I'm no lawyer, but I'll supply some ancedotal evidence which may\n>change your mind.  ** Note ** I do not agree AT ALL with what went on in\n>this case, and neither will most of you.  THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT \n>THAT IT *DID* HAPPEN.  Right here in America even.....\n>\n>About three or four years ago, there was a rather nasty custody case in\n>or around Washington D.C.  The upshot was, an ex-husband was suing for \n>visitation rights, which were granted.  The woman believed that the man\n>had been sexually molesting her children.  (much like Allen\/Farrow, but\n>not as famous).  Anyhows, she spirits away the kids and refuses to tell the\n>court where they are, and denies him visitation rights.\n>\n>She \"keeps her mouth shut\", and what happens?  She SITS IN JAIL for almost\n>a year, on CONTEMPT OF COURT, until the legislature passes a special law\n>limiting the time a person can be held.  If they hadn't passed the law, she'd\n>most likely still be there.  The kids were in New Zealand, I belive.\n>\n>Now (story finished, commetary starting)....  IMHO, the only reason the\n>legislature moved was because there was an outpouring of public sympathy\n>for this woman...  most people believed she was right, and were outraged.\n>Not likely to happen for Joe Random Drug Dealer, Child Molester or perfectly\n>innocent privacy lover, who might have something\n>to hide.  Innocent until proven guilty doesn't mean you get to walk out\n>of court humming a happy tune because the FBI can't read your disk.  Just\n>ask those held for contempt, those who can't make bail, etc, etc.\n>\n>Again.... I disagree totally with the concept of holding someone based\n>on suspicion, but people who keep thinking that it won't happen are bound\n>to get a rude shock when it does......\n>-- \n\n Also not a lawyer, etc. but if I remember correctly the Contempt of Court\nbusiness is used in order to compel cooperation with what is (perhaps\nquestionably, different issue) the legitimate business of that court. Quite\nliterally the party is found guilty of holding the court \"in contempt\". Now,\nthe original scheme as suggested here would be to have the key disappear if\ncertain threatening conditions are met. Once the key is gone there is no\nquestion of Contempt of Court as there is nothing to compell, the key is no\nlonger there to be produced.\n\n  Obstruction of justice would be a different issue but if the suspect in\nquestion would have some legitmate reason to protect his data from prying eyes\n(however extenuated) I think that this charge would be a hard nut to make. \n\n  Perhaps it is time for a lawyer to step in and clear this all up?\n\n\n             -=*=-    -=*=-     -=*=-     -=*=-    -=*=-\n                                 \nVincent A. Kub, WD0DBX            |  \"Saints should always be judged\n                                  |   guilty until they are proven\n    vkub@charlie.usd.edu          |   innocent.\" -Geo. Orwell\n                                  |\n     14 W.Cherry St. #2           |  \"It is good to die before one has\n  Vermillion, S.Dakota 57069      |   done anything deserving of death.\"\nphone or fax to (605) 624-8680    |       - Anaxandirdes\n                                  |            King of Sparta\n  -------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n-----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----\nVersion: 2.2\n\nmQBNAiudo1MAAAECAKRkUUWW+Tqsoa1nD+GaSbpXcDhSrHpMEBPjKlyiKuIjzaT6\nauO\/hnqW\/652YicVaJlXspb5D2giMc09TG2sGY0ABRG0CVZpbmNlIEt1Yg==\n=IuUb\n-----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----\n\n","2389":"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Re: My Gun is like my American Express Card\n <93104.173826U28037@uicv <PA146008.711.734832476@utkvm1.utk.edu>\nLines: 79\n\nIn article <PA146008.711.734832476@utkvm1.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu\n(David Veal) says:\n>>\n[stuff deleted]\n\nme:\n>>What seems to be happening here is the situation getting totally blown out of\n>>proportion.  In my post I was referring to your regular patrolman in a car\n>>cruising around the city vs. gang members.  Of course the police have access\n>>to the things that you mentioned but do they use tanks and such all of the\n>>time?  Of course they don't and that's the point I was trying to make.  Every\n>>day when I go out to lunch I always see cops coming in.  The majority that I\n>>see are still carrying revolvers.  Not that there is anything wrong with a\n>>revolver but if you're a cop that is up against some gang member with a\n>couple\n>>of automatics in his coat (I mean semi-auto handguns) you're going to be at a\n>>disadvantage even with training.\n>\nDavid:\n\n>      This is the \"arms race\" fallacy.  That somehow bigger guns make an\n>individual safer.  The problem is that for each corresponding level of\n>offensive power the is not an automatic level of defense increase.  The\n>problem is that there's a sort of lethality threshold that once you get\n>past you're only talking about a metter of degree.\n>\n>      Regardless of what cops are up against there's really no reason\n>for the average beat cop to have anything bigger than a pistol on him\n>as a personal weapon and maybe a rifle and a shotgun in the cruiser.\n>\n>      I mean, think about it.  Carrying a monster pistol or sub-machinegun\n>doesn't make the cop any less wounded if somebody shoots him.  A lot\n>of police departenments have switched to semi-automatics, as better\n>more reliable weapons, and more stopping power, but there's a point\n>of diminishing returns.\n>\nThis is a very, very good point.  Who cares what kind of gun you've got if\nyou're lying on the ground dead.\n\n>      And as far as automatics go, any gang member carrying around \"a\n>couple\" of automatics (an incredible rarity) is going to be far more of\n>a menace to himself and innocent bystanders than anything he might be\n>tryinh to aim at.  One auto is hard enough to control.  Anybody who\n>could control two is going to get the police officer regardless of\n>what the police officer is armed with.\n>\n[more stuff deleted.  mostly mine]\n>        My question is this:  What would a police officer gain from\n>having a sub-machinegun or similar personal weapon that he already\n>doesn't have with a 9mm or 10mm semi-automatic pistol?  I don't see\n>as how the police should be hosing around full-auto fire, nor has\n>my experience with police officers (or the stats regarding how many\n>police officers get killed by other cops) made me feel such would be a\n>good idea.  Precise fire is far more preferable.  Nor should they using\n>\"bigger\" guns.  Most standard sidearms have more then sufficient\n>stopping power when properly applied.  All more powerful weapons would\n>do is make the likelihood of death higher without really giving police\n>significantly more options.\n>\nAnother very good point that is well taken.  It seems that when lots of lead\nis flying (either the cops or the gangs) someone innocent always gets caught\nin the crossfire.\n>------------------------------------------------------------------------\n>David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group\n>PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu - \"I still remember the way you laughed, the day\n>your pushed me down the elevator shaft;  I'm beginning to think you don't\n>love me anymore.\" - \"Weird Al\"\n\nAll points made above are well taken.  I guess I am in the mindset of\n\"having more makes it better\" which is obviously not the correct mindset\nto take in this discussion.  Now that I think about the situation a\nlittle more carefully I see your point exactly David and I\nwholeheartedly (sp?) agree.  Like I said I'm just assuming that \"more\nbullets and\/or bigger bullets is better\".  Once again though I want to\nstate that I am a pro-gun individual and do NOT believe that gun control\nis really a viable option here in the United States regardless of the drivel\nthat I spout here :-)\n\nJason\n","2390":"From: jayne@mmalt.guild.org (Jayne Kulikauskas)\nSubject: Re: post\nOrganization: Kulikauskas home\nLines: 30\n\njono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden) writes:\n\n> My advice is this:  If you know someone that you have the hots for who is\n> NOT a Christian, befriend them and try to develop just a friendship with\n> them.  At the same time, witness and share the gospel with them, not so\n> that you can date them, but so that they can be saved.  Once they become a\n> Christian, then it is quite possible to let the relationship progress\n> beyond friendship.  However, if they don't accept Christ, you still have a\n> good friendship and you haven't wasted a lot of emotional energy and gotten\n> hurt.\n\nWhile I agree with most of Jon says (I deleted those parts, of course), I \nhave serious reservations about this advice.  Maintaining a `just \nfriends' level of relationship is much easier said than done.  People \nusually end up getting hurt.  This is especially likely to happen when \nthey start off with feelings of attraction.  \n\nWhen people feel attracted those feelings can cloud their judgement.  \nI've had the experience of going quickly from believing that I shouldn't \ndate non-Christians to believing that dating this man would be okay to \nbelieving that premarital sex is fine when people really love each \nother.  When the relationship ended my beliefs immediately returned to \ntheir original state.  \n\nThis is an especially extreme case because I was young and away from home \nand fellowship.  I don't think it would work exactly this way for most \npeople.  However, it's important not to underestimate the power of \nfeelings of attraction.  \n\nJayne Kulikauskas\/ jayne@mmalt.guild.org\n","2391":"From: sdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Steven D Marcotte)\nSubject: Data corruption\nOrganization: Kansas State University\nLines: 31\nNNTP-Posting-Host: matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\n\nI quit windows normally to run a special DOS app, got done with it\nand tried to start windows.  Ok got the title screen, Windows\nbackground, DOS with an error about loading PROGMAN.EXE.  Hum, yep\nPROGMAN.EXE is still there.  Must be bad, ok pull off PROGMAN.EXE\nfrom a backup tape, start windows, get the windows title screen,\nwindows background, DOS with the same error.  HUM!  Fire up the\ngood ol' Norton Disk Doctor, test, 500 lost clusters!  Ok, fix them,\nand look through them, doesn't look important.  Remove the Windows\ndirectory, and reinstall from disks.  Fire up windows, title screen,\nbackground, Program Manager, Success!  \n\nI have a 486\/50 (Amy) with 4 meg of RAM, 120 meg HD, SVGA, running under\nDOS 5.0, no special memory managers or stuff, just the basic Windows 3.1\nA 12 meg permanent swap file using 32-bit Access.  I mainly use Windows\nto run more that one DOS app at a time.  (ie downloading with Qmodem\nwith a DOS window open, and possibly POV running in the background.)  \n\nI've noticed that since I started using Windows a few months ago, lost\nclusters have gotten more and more common.  Although I don't like\nhaving data just disappear, it really haven't been a problem except\nfor today.  Has anyone else had any problems with lost clusters while\nrunning windows?  And what could I do to fix the problem, I'd sleep\nbetter knowing Amy wasn't loosing her marbles. :)\n\nSteven\n--\nSteven Marcotte\t\t\tsdoran@matt.ksu.ksu.edu\n\n\n\n","2392":"From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>\nSubject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations\nNf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500356:000:1777\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr    Apr 23 15:18:00 1993\nLines: 37\n\n\nFrom: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\nSubject: Hebrew labor: racist connotations\n\n\nAVODA IVRIT - HEBREW LABOR\n---------------------------------\n\n\"Hebrew labor\" is a concept which has served the Zionist movement\nfor a long time.  It has a double-barreled message: 1) The new Jew\nmust learn to do physical labor, i.e. working the land; 2) The\nland in this country must pass into Jewish hands, i.e. to the same\nnew Jew who has \"learned\" to work it. Both aspects of the\ntwo-pronged concept of \"Hebrew labor\" have racist connotations. On\nthe one hand, the diaspora Jew's lack of training in physical\nlabor is a myth shared by Zionists and antisemites.  On the other\nhand, its meaning in practice has been the displacement of the\nArab farmer from the source of his livelihood.\n\nThe occupation and the cheap Palestinian labor which streamed from\nthe occupied territories to the factories, orchards, and\nhot-houses of Israel relegated the myth of \"Hebrew labor\" to the\nhistory books and nostalgic memories of the Zionist Movement. It\nhas blossomed forth anew, however, as the government's answer to\nproblems caused by the closure of the territories. Today too this\nconcept has two functions: 1) to give a progressive look to the\nclosing of the Palestinian population.  Or in the words of\nEnvironment Minister Yossi Sarid, \"I have no tears for those who\nget rich off of cheap labor\". 2) to furnish an answer to the\nunemployed Israeli who complains of being obliged to work for\nwages that are lower than the unemployment insurance he receives.\n\nThe Israeli government is considering plans to import labor from\nthe far- East to replace native people, Palestinians, who work in\ntheir own country, thus creating conflicting interests between two\nethnical communities and ruling over them.\n\n","2393":"From: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo)\nSubject: Re: Title for XTerm\nReply-To: lanzo@tekelec.com (Mark Lanzo)\nOrganization: Tekelec Inc., Raleigh NC\nLines: 65\n\nIn a prior article naoumov@physics.unc.edu (Sergei Naoumov) writes:\n\n  > Hey guys!\n  > I work on many stations and would like this name and current logname\n  > to be in a title of Xterm when it's open and a machine name only\n  > when it's closed. In other words, I want $HOST and $LOGNAME to appear\n  > as a title of opened XTerm and $HOST when XTerm is closed.\n  > How can I do it?\n\n[Apologies if I'm answering something already answered in the FAQ.\nOur news feed has been losing a lot of articles lately - so I haven't\nseen the FAQ lately to check.]\n\n\nTwo ways:\n \n 1) When you start the xterm, you can use command line options:\n         -n ICON_NAME           To set the icon label\n         -T WINDOW_TITLE        To set the window title\n         -title WINDOW_TITLE    Equivalent to -T WINDOW_TITLE\n\n 2) You can use escape sequences to change things on the fly:\n\n    The basic escape sequence is:\n\tESC ] <P> ; <SOME_ARBITARY_TEXT> BEL\n\n    where ESC and BEL are the ASCII ESCAPE and BELL characters,\n    <P> is an ASCII decimal digit -- '2', '1', or '0', depending\n    on whether you are trying to set the window or icon title,\n    or both, and <SOME_ARBITARY_TEXT> is your desired label string.\n\n    Hence, this command will set the window & icon title:\n         echo \"\\033]0;YOUR_TITLE_GOES_HERE\\007\\c\" \n\n    To set just the icon title:\n         echo \"\\033]1;YOUR_TITLE_GOES_HERE\\007\\c\" \n\n    To set just the window title:\n         echo \"\\033]2;YOUR_TITLE_GOES_HERE\\007\\c\" \n\n    Of course, you may have to fiddle with exact syntax,\n    depending on how the echo command works on your system\n    and what shell you are using (I've shown System-V semantics\n    under Bourne or Korn shells).\n\n    [Hint for Sun OS users:  use \/usr\/5bin\/echo instead of\n    \/bin\/echo or Csh's built-in echo.  Otherwise you'll have\n    to embed literal ESC and BEL characters in the string\n    instead of using convenient octal sequences.]\n\n    If you want your titlebar updated continously, say to show\n    your current directory, hostname, or somesuch, then you'll\n    have to see if you can coerce your shell into spitting out\n    the appropriate escape sequences when it prompts for commands.\n    Sometimes you can just put the appropriate escape sequence\n    in the prompt string itself, sometimes not ...\n\n\n+-------------------------------------------------------+------- \/\/\/ -----+\n| Mark Lanzo   KD4QLZ  lanzo@tekelec.com   919-460-5576 |    \\\\\\\/\/\/       |\n+-------------------------------------------------------+---- \\XX\/ -------+\n\n    \n\n\n","2394":"From: cui@maccs.mcmaster.ca (Jun Cui)\nSubject: How to hold the control to a window object?\nKeywords: ObjectWindows, MS-Windows, SDK\nNntp-Posting-Host: maccs.dcss.mcmaster.ca\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, McMaster University\nDistribution: comp.os.ms-windows.misc comp.windows.ms\nLines: 30\n\n\/\/I'm using BC++'s ObjectWindows (version 3.1) and trying to get some data \n\/\/processed in a window object. However, when the calling program invokes \n\/\/the window object, it gives up the control to the window object, and keeps \n\/\/executing the next statement. I would like the calling program, after \n\/\/invoking the window object, to wait until the window object is closed. \n\/\/Can I do that? My program may look like:\n\nclass MyWindow : public TWindow\n{\n\t...\n};\n\nvoid MyCallingProg(...)  \/\/ Could the calling program be a C function?\n{\t...\n\tMyWindow *MyWinObj;\n\tMyWinObj = new MyWindow(...);\n\tGetApplication()->MakeWindow(MyWinObj);\n\tMyWinObj->Show(SW_SHOWNORMAL);\n\n\tnext statement;  \/\/ I want the program to wait here until MyWinObj\n\t...              \/\/ is closed so that I can get some data back from \n\t...              \/\/ MyWinObj. I specified the window style to be \n\t...              \/\/ WS_POPUPWINDOW, didn't help. Is there any other way \n\t...              \/\/ to execute the window object so that the calling \n   ...              \/\/ program won't give up the control? Any help would \n}                   \/\/ be appreciated.   Thanks.  -- Jun\nTo talk to the Lord with PS\/2 through MS-Windows\n\n\n\n","2395":"From: aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer)\nSubject: Re: Commercial mining activities on the moon\nOrganization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow\nLines: 27\n\nIn article <STEINLY.93Apr21152344@topaz.ucsc.edu> steinly@topaz.ucsc.edu (Steinn Sigurdsson) writes:\n\n>Seriously though. If you were to ask the British government\n>whether their colonisation efforts in the Americas were cost\n>effective, what answer do you think you'd get? What if you asked\n>in 1765, 1815, 1865, 1915 and 1945 respectively? ;-)\n\nWhat do you mean? Are you saying they thought the effort was\nprofitable or that the money was efficiently spent (providing max\nvalue per money spent)?\n\nI think they would answer yes on ballance to both questions. Exceptions\nwould be places like the US from the French Indian War to the end of\nthe US Revolution. \n\nBut even after the colonies revolted or where given independance the\nBritish engaged in very lucrative trading with the former colonies.\nFive years after the American Revolution England was still the largest\nUS trading partner.\n\n  Allen\n\n-- \n+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Lady Astor:   \"Sir, if you were my husband I would poison your coffee!\"   |\n| W. Churchill: \"Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it.\"             |\n+----------------------55 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX-----------------------+\n","2396":"From: teskey@plains.NoDak.edu (Dr. Snake Voivod)\nSubject: OS\/2 2.0 & Extended Services For SALE ***CHEAP***\nArticle-I.D.: ns1.C5sMIp.n1C\nOrganization: North Dakota Higher Education Computing Network\nLines: 27\nNntp-Posting-Host: plains.nodak.edu\n\nFor Sale:\n\nOS\/2 2.0 Extended Services -\n\n        * Extended Database support\n        * Extended Networking Support\n        * Remote Host support\n        * Extended Communication Support\n\nPLUS! A copy of OS\/2 2.0.  The ES package is brand new and uninstalled, all\nmanuals, disks, etc. are included.  The ES package retails for $495 with OS\/2\n2.0 selling for $79 or something like that.\n\nI'll let both of them go for $200.  My needs changed thus eliminating my\nneed for the package once I bought it.\n\nIf Interested, please Email me at:\n\nMark Teskey\nteskey@plains.nodak.edu\n============================================================================\nMark W. Teskey                            \n                                                                o\/\nINTERNET:                  teskey@plains.nodak.edu\t       <|   stayin'\nUUCP:                      ...!uunet!plains!teskey\t       \/ >  alive!\n============================================================================\n-- Hi! I am a .signature virus. Copy me into your .signature to join in! --\n","2397":"From: Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org>\nSubject: Desertification of the Negev\nNf-ID: #N:cdp:1483500361:000:5123\nNf-From: cdp.UUCP!cpr    Apr 25 05:25:00 1993\nLines: 104\n\n\nFrom: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\nSubject: Desertification of the Negev\n\n\nThe desertification of the arid Negev\n------------------------------------- by Moise Saltiel, I&P March\n1990\n\nI.      The Negev Bedouin Before and After 1948 II.     Jewish\nAgricultural Settlement in the Negev III.   Development of the\nNegev's Rural Population IV.    Economic Situation of Jewish\nSettlements in 1990 V.     Failure in Settling the Arava Valley\nVI.   Failure in Settling the Central Mountains VII.  Failure in\nMaking the Negev \"Bedouinenrein\" (Cleansing the Negev of Bedouins)\nVIII. Transforming Bedouin into Low-Paid Workers IX..    Failure\nin Settling the \"Development Towns\" X.      Jordan Water to the\nNegev: A Strategic Asset XI.     The Negev Becomes a Dumping\nGround XII.   The Dimona Nuclear Plant XIII.  The Negev as a\nMilitary Base XIV.  The Negev in the Year 2000\n\nJust after the creation of the State of Israel, the phrase \"the\nJewish pioneers will make the desert bloom\" was trumpeted\nthroughout the Western world. After the Six Day War in 1967, David\nBen-Gurion declared in a letter to Charles de Gaulle: \"It's by our\npioneering creation that we have transformed a poor and arid land\ninto a fertile land, created built-up areas, towns and villages in\nabandoned desert areas\".\n\nContrary to Ben-Gurion's assertion, it must be affirmed that\nduring the 26 years of the British mandate over Palestine and for\ncenturies previous, a productive human presence was to be found in\nall parts of the Negev desert - in the very arid hills and valleys\nof the southern Negev as well as in the more fertile north. These\nwere the Bedouin Arabs.\n\nThe real desertification of the Negev, mainly in the southern\npart, occurred after Israel's dispossession of the Bedouin's\ncultivated lands and pastures. Nowadays, the majority of the\n12,800 square-kilometer Negev, which represents 62 percent of the\nState of Israel (pre-1967 borders), has been desertified beyond\nrecognition. The main new occupiers of the formerly Bedouin Negev\nare the Israeli army; the Nature Reserves Authority, whose chief\nrole is to prevent Bedouin from roaming their former pasture\nlands; and vast industrial zones, including nuclear reactors and\ndumping grounds for chemical, nuclear and other wastes. Israeli\nJews in the Negev today cultivate less than half the surface area\ncultivated by the Bedouin before 1948, and there is no Jewish\npastoral activity.\n\nI. Agricultural and pastoral activities of the Negev Bedouin\nbefore and after 1948\n-------------------------------------------------- In 1942,\naccording to British mandatory statistics, the Beersheba\nsub-district (which corresponds more or less to Israel's Negev, or\nSouthern, district) had 52,000 inhabitants, almost all Bedouin\nArabs, who held 11,500 camels, 6,000 cows and oxen, 42,000 sheep\nand 22,000 goats.\n\nThe majority of the Bedouin lived a more or less sedentary life in\nthe north, where precipitation ranged between 200 and 350 mm per\nyear. In 1944 they cultivated about 200,000 hectares of the\nBeersheba district - i.e. 16 percent of its total area and *more\nthan double the area cultivated by the Negev's Jewish settlers\nafter 40 years of \"making the desert bloom\"*\n\nThe Bedouin had a very low crop yield - 350 to 400 kilograms of\nbarley per hectare during rainy years - and their farming\ntechniques were primitive, but production was based solely on\nanimal and human labor. It must also be underscored that animal\nproduction, although low, was based entirely on pasturing.\nProduction increased considerably during the rainy years and\ndiminished significantly during drought years. All Bedouin pasture\nanimals - goats, camels and sheep - had the ability to gain weight\nquickly over the relatively rainy winters and to withstand many\nwaterless days during the hot summers. These animals were the\nresult of a centuries-old process of natural selection in harsh\nlocal conditions.\n\nAfter the creation of the State of Israel, 80 percent of the Negev\nBedouin were expelled to the Sinai or to Southern Jordan. The\n10,000 who were allowed to remain were confined to a territory of\n40,000 hectares in a region were annual mean precipiation was 150\nmm - a quantity low enough to ensure a crop failure two years out\nof three. The rare water wells in the south and central Negev,\nspring of life in the desert, were cemented to prevent Bedouin\nshepherds from roaming.\n\nA few Bedouin shepherds were allowed to stay in the central Negev.\nBut after 1982, when the Sinai was returned to Egypt, these\nBedouin were also eliminated. At the same time, strong pressure\nwas applied on the Bedouin to abandon cultivation of their fields\nin order that the land could be transferred to the army.\n\nNo reliable statistics exist concerning the amount of land held\ntoday by Negev Bedouin. It is a known fact that a large part of\nthe 40,000 hectares they cultivated in the 1950s has been seized\nby the Israeli authorities. Indeed, most of the Bedouin are now\nconfined to seven \"development towns\", or *sowetos*, established\nfor them.\n\n(the rest of the article is available from Elias Davidsson, email:\nelias@ismennt.is)\n\n","2398":"From: mathew@mantis.co.uk (mathew)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Mantis Consultants, Cambridge. UK.\nLines: 12\nX-Newsreader: rusnews v1.01\n\nfrank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n> (b) I am neither a Christian nor a theist, but I believe in objective\n> morality in preference to a relativist soup of gobbledegook.\n\nWell, there are two approaches we can take here.  One is to ask you what this\nobjective morality is, assuming it's not a secret.\n\nThe other is to ask you what you think is wrong with relativism, so that we\ncan correct your misconceptions :-)\n\n\nmathew\n","2399":"From: glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang)\nSubject: Re: What is a Shadow Mask\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company Research Laboratory\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: slee01.srl.ford.com\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\n\nAndrew BW Colfelt (colfelt@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote:\n: \n: \n: Shadow mask is when you put your face into\n: main memory.\n: \n\nKeep your day job.\n\n","2400":"From: obrien@hri.com (Jim Obrien)\nSubject: IBM-PC XT switch settings\nOrganization: Horizon Research, Inc.\nLines: 7\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: obrien@bigbird.hri.com\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sparc28.hri.com\n\nI just got an IBM-PC XT with no documents. Its a true\nIBM, and I was wondering if anyone had the definitions\nof the 2 8 position dip switches? \n\n- thankx Jim\n\n\n","2401":"From: rubinoff+@cs.cmu.edu (Robert Rubinoff)\nSubject: Re: Gritz\/JBS\/Liberty Lobby\/LaRouche\/Christic Insitute\/Libertarian\/...\nNntp-Posting-Host: spino.soar.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <93105.230230U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:\n>Note that Bo Gritz was on the Populist party ticket with David\n>Duke (for veep) in 1988 until he found out that Duke was leading\n>he ticket, when he withdrew his candidacy.  So Gritz gave up his\n>chance to be Vice President of the US just to aviod supporting\n>Duke.\n\nI'd hardly call that \"giving up his chance to be Vice President of the US\";\nthe chance of the Populist Party ticket winning is essentially nil.  Still,\nit does imply that he doesn't want to be associated with Duke.\n\n  Robert\n\n\n\n","2402":"From: nancyo@fraser.sfu.ca (Nancy Patricia O'Connor)\nSubject: Re: Amusing atheists and agnostics\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nLines: 11\n\ntimmbake@mcl.ucsb.edu (Bake Timmons) writes:\n\n>Rule #4:  Don't mix apples with oranges.  How can you say that the\n>extermination by the Mongols was worse than Stalin?  Khan conquered people\n>unsympathetic to his cause.  That was atrocious.  But Stalin killed millions of\n>his own people who loved and worshipped _him_ and his atheist state!!  How can\n>anyone be worse than that?\n\nYou're right.  And David Koresh claimed to be a Christian.\n\n\n","2403":"Subject: ===> EPS display software?\nFrom: HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca\nOrganization: BC Systems Corporation\nNntp-Posting-Host: bcsc02.gov.bc.ca\nLines: 4\n\nDoes any one know of any shareware\/freeware software which lets one display\nEPS files on a PC with DOS and\/or Windows???\nYour reply would be much appreciated.   Thanks.\nHal Adam, HADAM@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca\n","2404":"From: shirriff@sprite.berkeley.edu (Ken Shirriff)\nSubject: Re: Clipper considered harmful\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 24\nDistribution: inet\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hijack.berkeley.edu\n\nIn article <15469@optilink.COM> brad@optilink.COM (Brad Yearwood) writes:\n>Finally, because there is essentially no possibility of intercepting in\n>realtime the scrutable content of communications between stolen instruments,\n>there will exist strong motivation to record and archive _all_ communications\n>in the network for ex-post-facto scrutiny (once some criminal act is\n>discovered, and the instruments involved have been identified).\n\nIt seems likely to me that that a large subset of encrypted communications\nwould be archived to tape so they could be read if sometime in the future\nprobable cause arises and a warrant is obtained.  I can even imagine this\nbeing found legal and constitutional, since nothing is actually listened to\nuntil a valid warrant is issued and the keys are obtained.\n\nImagine archiving all pay-phone conversations, so if someone turns out\nto be a drug dealer, you can listen to all their past drug deals.  And\narchive calls to\/from suspected Mafia members, potential terrorists,\nradicals, etc.  Imagine the convenience for the police of being able to\nget a warrant now and listening to all the calls the World Trade Center\nbombers made in the past year.\n\nSince archiving would be such a powerful tool and so easy to do, why\nwouldn't it happen?\n\nKen Shirriff\t\t\t\tshirriff@sprite.Berkeley.EDU\n","2405":"From: ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Netcom. San Jose, California\nLines: 25\n\nfrank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ...\n>Plus questions for you:  why do subjectivists\/relativists\/nihilists get so \n>het up about the idea that relativism is *better* than objectivism? \n\nTo the degree that relativism is a more accurate decription of the\ntruth than is objectivism, it provides more power and ability to\ncontrol events.\n\nAssuming, for the moment, that morals _are_ relative, then two\nrelativists can recognize that neither has a lock on the absolute\ntruth and they can proceed to negotiate a workable compromise that\nproduces the desired results.\n\nAssuming that there is an absolute morality, two disagreeing \nobjectivists can either be both wrong or just one of them right; there\nis no room for compromise.  Once you beleive in absolute morals,\nyou must accept that you are amoral or that everyone who disagrees\nwith you is amoral.\n\nGiven a choice between a peaceful compromise or endless contention,\nI'd say that compromise seems to be \"better\".\n\n-- \nRay Fischer                   \"Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth\nray@netcom.com                 than lies.\"  -- Friedrich Nietzsche\n","2406":"From: leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN)\nSubject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC?\nOrganization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility\nLines: 67\n\nIn article <C5w9J7.JLL@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG> angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers) writes:\n>In article <C5rx8B.Kzp@ecf.toronto.edu> leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes:\n>>In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes:\n>>>In article <C5o1yq.M34@csie.nctu.edu.tw> ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes:\n>>>>\n>>>>Dear friend,\n>>>>  The RISC means \"reduced instruction set computer\". The RISC usually has \n>>>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase \n>>>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about\n>>>>computer architecture for more information about RISC.\n>>>\n>>>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember\n>>>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large.\n>>>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not\n>>>as orthogonal is CISC.\n>>>\n>>>-- \n>>\n>>Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer.  That's why everyone\n>>is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC.  Personally, I think CISC will win out.\n>>Just take a look at the Pentium!  (Not that I like Intel architectures either,\n>>but that's another story...)\n>>\n>>bye!\n>>\n>\n>Do you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc?  or that it will outsell\n>them all?  If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the\n>pentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs\n>cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not\n>even on the same order)...  but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2)\n>about a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND\n>reordered its instruction itself so\n\nI'm not 100% sure, but I think the T800 was a 25MHz transputer?  so ya tie\na gazillion of them together to get 100mips.  (The newest is the T9000\nwhich kicks anyone's butt :)... haven't seen them used much though).\n\nAnyway, to respond, I think the Pentium (CISC) is better than the more advanced\nRISC (e.g., like the alpha, etc.  the 66MHz Pentium has approximately the\nsame \"performance\" as the superduper 133MHz Alpha - here, performance is the\nweird Specint92 that everyone refers to? - this is what I *heard* - the\nAlpha still kicks in the P5's butt in fp - again, this is what I *heard*).\nand in the computing world, if you sell lots of chips (like intel), and\nmake it faster (like intel), you are the winner (like intel), even though\nyou have a sucky architecture from over 10 years ago (like intel :0).\n\nIf you can make a \"CISC\" chip (superscalar, superduperpipelined, superfast)\nwith the ideas behind the \"RISC\" ideology, you got a CISC chip.  And then\nI admit I can't see the advantages of RISC over CISC...\n\nIf the latest technology is a generation behind, then it sucks (relatively\nspeaking).\n\nNow I may sound like I like intel, but I'll have to say that the P5 is some\nreal kick butt pile of Si and SiO2...\n\nBut I hope that Motorola really catches up with the 68K line... or I'm gonna\nstart crying...\n\nbrian\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nBrian \"Hojo\" Lee       | \"Hey, excuse me miss, could I have a .GIF of you?\"\nleebr@ecf.toronto.edu  |\nleebr@eecg.toronto.edu | (try Linux... the best and free UN*X clone!)\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2407":"From: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Tyson F Nuss)\nSubject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all tim\nOrganization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee\nLines: 23\nReply-To: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4\nOriginator: laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n\n> In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu>, bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu\n> wrote:\n>> \n>> 8. Saab 900 - ignition is on floor!?!\n\n\tActually, this started as a great idea.  Before steering-column\nlocks became popular, Saab installed a *gearshift* lock -- put the car\nin reverse, remove the key, and the car *stays* in reverse!\n\tAlso, suppose you get into your car, and a thug comes up and\ndemands your keys at gunpoint.  You hand them over, he gets in, and\nHAS NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THE KEY!  At this, he will run away (or perhaps\nshoot you anyway  %-}).  I heard this actually happened somewhere...\n\tBtw, I hear that the Saab 900's new successor will have the\nignition on the console, between the seats, where it belongs.\n\n%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\\%\n___    A      laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu\n| |   {*}     Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire   *and*\n| |  __V__    Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos\n|_|o_|%%%|0_  Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import\/luxury, 17 handrolling\n   |       |\n   |       |  These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either).\n   |_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig?\n","2408":"From: aj@sage.cc.purdue.edu (John Dormer)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nSummary: Misinterretation got us here today\nKeywords: constitution, misinterpretation, law\nOrganization: Purdue Daemons\nDistribution: na\nLines: 26\n\n  Misinterpretation, though it should be a crime in itself, is what\nUnited States lawyers use to make their bread and butter.\n\n  In Manchester, CT a few years ago, a small company wanted to run a\ngame system galled \"LaserGames,\" similar in many aspects to Photon\n(tm). Three lawyers and about a hundred citizens found an ancient law\nin Manchester's books which clearly from context was designed to\nprohibit travelling carnivals by enumerating the features of a carnival\nwhich they felt at the time made the prohibition obvious. Among these\nthings was \"shooting galleries,\" which is what the lawyers for the\nopposition to LaserGames wanted to harp upon. The judge took the two\nwords from this law, completely out of context, and ruled that\nLaserGames could not operate in Manchester.\n\n  Keep in mind that most travelling carnivals use projectile weapons in\ntheir shooting galleries, and not light beams. Clearly from context,\nLaserGames got shafted, but if the two words are applied, their denial\nof operating permission was justified.\n\n  If I had the text of the law I'd post it, but I'm afraid I don't\nremember it all well enough to even try. That little bit with the two\nwords stuck well, though.\n\n:\tJohn Dormer\n:\tjad@expert.cc.purdue.edu\n\n","2409":"From: mdell+@pitt.edu (Michael G Dellinger)\nSubject: Re: Stop predicting\nOrganization: University of Pittsburgh\nLines: 36\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.233148.9711@rose.com> jack.petrilli@rose.com (jack petrilli) writes:\n>On April 16,  cdkaupan@eos.ncsu.edu (CARL DAVID KAUPANG) wrote:\n>\n>C(--> It is really annoying to see all of these\n>C(--> predictions on the Net.  Who really cares\n>C(--> who you think will win?  Please stop with\n>C(--> the predictions, we all know the Caps are\n>C(--> going to win the Cup, so let it go at that.\n>C(--> \n>\n>Haa!!! That's one of the things I find **most** interesting in this \n>newsgroup. It's a good way of cluing into the \"collective wisdom\" of \n>the average hockey fans. That doesn't mean they're always right, \n>however. For example, the Habs are going to come out of the Adams and \n>hardly anyone believes that right now.\n>\n>- Jack\n>\n> * It's hard to be humble when you're perfect.\n\nWell, as long as we're being unduly cocky here, It's obvious that the Pens\nwill cone out of the Patrick Division *not* the Caps, and also that\nthey will win thier third Stanley Cup. \"Collective Wisdom\" is a very polite\nway of putting it, I don't know if I'd be so gracious.\nAnd, for what it's worth (Probably not much) I think the Habs will come out of\nthe Adams too.\n                       Not new, Long absent,\n                                       Mikey D.\n__\n*****************************************************************************\nMike Dellinger\nComputer Lab Consultant\nSutherland Hall Computer Lab and Grill\nUniversity of Pittsburgh\n****************************************************************************\n\n","2410":"From: SHOE@PHYSICS.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mark Shoesmith)\nSubject: Re: Let's talk sticks...\nLines: 35\nOrganization: University of Waterloo\n\nIn article <C50pt4.6CM@odin.corp.sgi.com> dptom@endor.corp.sgi.com (Tom Arnold) writes:\n\n>Okay you hockey playing fans\/finatics out there. I'm looking over the wide \n>range of aluminum sticks for the first time. I've been playing with pieces\n>of lumbar that seem to weigh alot and break after a few uses, so I'm \n>thinking of changing to an aluminum shaft so when I break the blade all I \n>have to do is change it. The problem is that there is such a wide reange of\n>models and selections out there that I'm not certain which to consider. Can\n>any of you post some of your suggestions and experiences with the aluminum \n>sticks? What is the difference between models? What do you like\/dislike about\n>them? And, which brands are best?\n>\n>\n\nI've had, and still have a few aluminum sticks.  I got my first when I was 15\n(a Christian), and broke the shaft halfway through the season, two years \nlater.  I bought another (a Canadian) at the beginning of the next season, \nand I still have it.  I also have an Easton, that a friend was getting rid \noff, after giving up the game.  I find that Easton blades are easier to get, \nbut all brands of blades are pretty well interchangeable.  Watch out for \ndried up bits of firewood, that some stores pass off as blades.  In my \nexperiences, the blades of an aluminum break more often than regular sticks, \nbut I've only ever broken one aluminum shaft.\n\nI like aluminum sticks.  The blades are quickly changed, even on the bench \nif you have to.  On the downside, the shaft won't break if you decide to \nimpale yourself on it :-)\n\nCiao,\nMark S.\n\n\"This is between me and the vegetable\"   - Rick Moranis in\n                                           Little Shop of Horrors\nMark Shoesmith\nshoe@physics.watstar.uwaterloo.ca\n","2411":"From: tribe831@snake.cs.uidaho.edu (Mr. Duane Tribe; Esq.)\nSubject: Underground encryption (was Re: text of White House announcement ...)\nOrganization: University of Idaho, Moscow\nLines: 28\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: snake.cs.uidaho.edu\n\nIn article <1qmugcINNpu9@gap.caltech.edu> hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney) writes:\n>It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals\n>are coming true.  If the government continues on this course, I imagine\n>that we will see strong cryptography made illegal.  Encryption programs\n>for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted\n>voice communications, will be distributed only through the\n>\"underground\".  People will have to learn how to hide the fact that\n>they are protecting their privacy.\n\nSome thoughts:\n\nHas any work been done on encapsulating encrypted data inside \"non-encrypted\"\ndata files?  Many file formats can be written with \"gaps\" in them to hide\nother data.  New file formats could be designed to have alternate data hidden\nby dispersing it amongst the \"legitimate\" data.  The hidden data would only\nshow up with the right key(s), and a file with hidden data would be\nindistinguishable from one without.  So, only the correct key(s) would reveal\nthe presence of an \"illegal\" document.\n\nIf I devise a custom file compression algorithm and only I and a friend have\nthe uncompressor, and otherwise the file appears to be total gigerish, do I\nhave the right to transmit the file?  Will we have to \"escrow\" all our data\nfile formats?  Are gangs required to escrow their hand signals, colors and\ncatch phrases?\n\nI think that it's important to evaluate the content of electronic speach by\nreplacing the media with pen and paper or verbal speach and then re-ask the\nquestion.\n","2412":"From: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nSubject: Re: Nature of God (Re: Environmentalism and paganism)\nReply-To: aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker)\nOrganization: The National Capital Freenet\nLines: 31\n\nIn a previous article, mcovingt@aisun2.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) says:\n\n>In article <Apr.13.00.08.44.1993.28424@athos.rutgers.edu> heath@athena.cs.uga.edu (Terrance Heath) writes:\n>That is not necessarily unorthodox.  When Christians call God 'Father', \n>we are using a metaphor.  The Bible in one place refers to God as being\n>like a mother.  God is neither a father nor a mother in the literal\n>sense; God has some of the attributes of both; the father metaphor is\n>usually used because (for most people at most times) it is the less\n>misleading of the two possibilities.\n\nI don't know which passage you are refering to, but the passage I have\noften seen cited as an example of a mother image of God is Isaiah 49:15\n\"Can a woman forget her sucking child \/ that she should have no \ncompassion \/ on the son of her womb? \/ Even these may forget, \/ \nyet I will not forget you.\" \n \nThis passage is *not* a mother image of God at all. The mother here\nis the image of the best human constancy can show, and it is \ncontrasted with the constancy of God. The mother figure here represents\nmankind, not God.\n-- \n==============================================================================\nMark Baker                  | \"The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but \naa888@Freenet.carleton.ca   | to irrigate deserts.\" -- C. S. Lewis\n==============================================================================\n\n[Luke 13:34   O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those\nwho are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together\nas a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not!\n\n--clh]\n","2413":"From: luriem@alleg.edu(Michael Lurie) The Liberalizer\nSubject: Re: Pleasant Yankee Surprises\nOrganization: Allegheny College\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.231903.4045@cs.cornell.edu> tedward@cs.cornell.edu  \n(Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:\n> In article <1993Apr15.200629.7200@alleg.edu> luriem@alleg.edu(Michael  \nLurie) The Liberalizer writes:\n> >\n> >     Actually, I kind of liked the Abott trade. We did trade the rookie  \nof  \n> >the year, SNOW, but with Don mattingly at first for another 8 years,  \nWhy  \n> >bother.\n> \n> I'd be willing to make two wagers:\n> 1) Snow doesn't win ROY.\n> 2) Mattingly is out of baseball within five years.\n> \n\n\n\nNo, You are quite correct, but I was using some wishful thinking.\nJT snow was wasting away, while Abbott can provide a great resourse for  \nthe team.\n","2414":"Subject: 1993 Honda Civic\nFrom: <LIBEMC@BYUVM.BITNET>\nOrganization: Brigham Young University\nLines: 8\n\nI'd like to converse with anyone who has purchased a 1993 Honda\nCivic about their experience.  I'm new to the car buying game\nand would like to know what price I can expect to pay for a sedan\nafter bargaining.\n\nThanks in advance,\n\n-- Ellen\n","2415":"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Symbiotics: Idiots-Antisemitism\nOrganization: Division of Applied Sciences, Harvard University\nLines: 27\n\n\nIn article <1483500355@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:\n\n>From: Center for Policy Research <cpr>\n>\n>Zionism and the Holocaust\n>-------------------------- by Haim Bresheeth\n>\n>The first point to note regarding the appropriation of the history\n>of the Holocaust by Zionist propaganda is that Zionism without\n>anti-semitism is impossible. Zionism agrees with the basic tenet\n>of anti-Semitism, namely that Jews cannot live with non- Jews.\n\n\tWrong.  Zionism *acknowledges* the fact that anti-Semites\nexist, and prevent Jews from living in peace.  That does not mean we\nagree that Jews are all greedy, that Jews kill Christian Children,\ncommited deicide, or anything else.  We acknowledge that there are\nmorons out there who do believe these things.\n\nAdam\n\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t       adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n\"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn't waste them on members of Congress...\"   -John Perry Barlow\n","2416":"From: frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Siemens-Nixdorf AG\nLines: 28\nNNTP-Posting-Host: d012s658.ap.mchp.sni.de\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.125245.12872@abo.fi> MANDTBACKA@FINABO.ABO.FI (Mats Andtbacka) writes:\n|In <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp writes:\n|> In article <30114@ursa.bear.com> halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:\n|\n|> #I'm one of those people who does not know what the word objective means \n|> #when put next to the word morality.  I assume its an idiom and cannot\n|> #be defined by its separate terms.\n|> #\n|> #Give it a try.\n|> \n|> Objective morality is morality built from objective values.\n|\n|      \"And these objective values are ... ?\"\n|Please be specific, and more importantly, motivate.\n\nI'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable.  I base\nthis on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly\nof their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition),\nalmost all would want to complain.  Therefore I take it that to assert or\nbelieve that \"Freedom is not very valuable\", when almost everyone can see\nthat it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert \"it is not raining\" on\na rainy day.  I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it\nit is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values\nsuch as this exist.\n\n-- \nFrank O'Dwyer                                  'I'm not hatching That'\nodwyer@sse.ie                                  from \"Hens\",  by Evelyn Conlon\n","2417":"From: klepa@leotech.mv.com (Kristen Lepa)\nSubject: New Duo Dock With Process\nLines: 15\n\n\n Seth> I fail to see any advantage whatsoever with this kind of\nset-up.\n Seth> What a DUMB idea.\n\nSo don't buy one.\n\nKristen\n\n\n This copy of Freddie 1.2.5 is being evaluated.\n\n\n * Origin: Leo Technology (603)432-2517\/432-0922 (HST\/V32)\n(1:132\/189)\n","2418":"From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)\nSubject: Plus minus stat...\nOrganization: University of Western Ontario\nNntp-Posting-Host: sms.business.uwo.ca\nLines: 65\n\nRoger Maynard shares his views, with the masses, on Bob Gainey\nand life in general:\n \n>In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA\n>(Greg  Ballentine) writes:\n \n>>The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to\n>>prevent goals from being scored- not to score them.  When\n>>Lemieux or Gilmour play their number one purpose is to score-\n>>defence is secondary- especially considering the line that\n>>plays against them is probably a defensive one.  That is why\n>>they are not Selke candidates.\n>>Gainey is the best defensive forward ever.  I stand by that\n>>assessment. He was a very good player who belongs in the hall\n>>of fame.  Did you ever watch him play? He never made a\n>>technical error.\n \n>I watched him over his entire career.  I have NEVER seen a\n>player, and that includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon,\n>screw up as many breakaways as Bob Gainey.  And I will never\n>forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey with his head down. \n>You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey.\n \nIt was Bryan Trottier, not Denis Potvin.  It was a vicious\n'boarding' from behind...Trottier was given a major.\n \nBut Roger, what the hell does this have to do with Gainey's skill\nas a hockey player?  If Probert smashes Gilmour's head into the\nboards next week, will that diminish your assessment of Gilmour's\nskills?\n \n>Gainey was a plugger.  And when the press runs out of things to\n>say about  the stars on dynasties they start to hype the\n>pluggers.  Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob\n>Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne\n>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard,\n>Dick Duff...and so on...\n \nI would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter.\n \nI think Gainey would be honoured to know that you've included him\non this list.  I also think you have a relatively naive view\nabout what wins a hockey game...pluggers are an integral part of\nany team.  The Selke is designed to acknowledge their\ncontribution...I think that most people understand that it's not\nthe Nobel Prize...so settle down.\n \n>cordially, as always,\n \n>rm\n \n>-- \n>Roger Maynard \n>maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n \ncongenially, as always,\n \njd\n \n--\nJames David\ndavid@student.business.uwo.ca\n\nj3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)\nWestern Business School  --  London, Ontario\n","2419":"From: mikec@sail.LABS.TEK.COM (Micheal Cranford)\nSubject: Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton,  OR.\nLines: 37\n\nJim Brown wrote :\n\n[ deleted ]\n>I feel that those who use the KJV as a basis for arguing Biblical \n>contradictions are either being intellectually dishonest (purposefully\n>wanting to show the Bible in the worst light possible), or they are\n>being mentally lazy and are taking the easy way out.  Either way, they\n>leave the theist the option of countering with, \"Well, that's just the\n>KJV, that's not what my XXX version says.\"\n[ deleted ]\n\n  Unfortunately, it's not that simple.  The KJV is preferred by the majority\nof fundamentalists (at least here).  The second part of your argument fails\nas well, since that statement can be used against any version (not just the\nKJV).\n\n[ deleted ]\n>I've based my argument on one of the best modern translations\n>available which is based on the work of the leading Biblical scholars.\"\n[ deleted ]\n\n  I would not find this statement to be very useful since it is an appeal\nto authority and the opposition will just claim that their authorities are\n\"better\".  A second tact that local creationists have used is to reply \"but\nthose scholars are atheists and cannot be believed\" (they will also use this\nphrase to describe any theologians that they don't agree with).\n\n[ deleted ]\n>>>\/GEN 30:39 And the flocks conceived before the rods, and brought forth\n>>>\/cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted.\n[ deleted ]\n\n  The verse being discussed clearly claims that sympathetic magic works (i.e.\nplacing stripped sticks in the cattle breeding grounds causes stripped and\nspotted calves to be born) and should be attacked on that basis (no biologist\nhas ever observed this claimed correlation).\n\n","2420":"From: <34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET>\nFollowups-to: talk.politics.guns\nSubject: Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE\nDistribution: usa\n <1993Apr19.202756.6889@msuvx2.memst.edu>\nLines: 11\n\nAh yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork\nto defend the burning of the children. Probably drooled all over themselves\nwhile watching the TV coverage.\n\nProbably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well.\n\nOh yeah, ATF\/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are\na few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute.\n\n\n\n","2421":"From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)\nSubject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!\nOrganization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.\nLines: 39\n\n\nIn article <sandvik-190493200858@sandvik-kent.apple.com>, sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:\n|> In article <1993Apr19.165717.25790@ra.royalroads.ca>,\n|> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:\n|> > \n|> > It is true what you stated above:  Jesus' saving grace is available to\n|> > everyone, not just Jews.  In other words, everyone can have salvation but\n|> > not everyone will.  This option is now open to people other than just\n|> > Jews.  Of course, if the Jews don't accept the deity of Christ, I would\n|> > hardly expect them to accept anything that Christ said.  But I don't feel\n|> > any animosity towards them.  Even though they persecuted Jesus and his\n|> > disciples and eventually crucified Him, I bear them no ill will.  If anything,\n|> > I feel pity for them.  Jesus had to die to pay the price for our sins and\n|> > so the Jews were merely fulfilling prophesy.  Jesus knew He had to die even\n|> > before He began His ministry.  That demonstrates the great depth of His love\n|> > for us.\n|> \n|> Jesus certainly demonstrated the great depth of his love for the\n|> children who died today at the Davidian complex.\n|> \n|> Sorry, but the events today made me even more negative concering\n|> organized religion.\n|> \n\nI understand and sympathize with your pain.  What happened in Waco was a very\nsad tradgedy.  Don't take it out on us Christians though.  The Branch\nDavidians were not an organized religion.  They were a cult led by a ego-maniac\ncult leader.  The Christian faith stands only on the shoulders of one man,\nthe Lord of Lords and King of Kings, Jesus Christ.   BTW, David Koresh was NOT\nJesus Christ as he claimed.\n\nGod be with you,\n\nMalcolm Lee  :)\n\n|> Cheers,\n|> Kent\n|> ---\n|> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.\n","2422":"From: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com (Bill Vojak)\nSubject: UPI News Release\nOriginator: vojak@icebucket.stortek.com\nNntp-Posting-Host: icebucket.stortek.com\nOrganization: Storage Technology Corp.\nLines: 82\n\n\n  UPI Washington DC, Update Desk\t\t\t4\/15\/93\n\n  For the past several months the Clinton administration has been\n  stymied by mixed signals coming from the economy.  While most\n  leading indicators has shown an apparent improvement in the \n  economy, there has been no corresponding improvement in the area\n  of jobs creation.\n\n  The unemployment figures seem stalled at the 7% mark.  last month,\n  in an effort to understand this problem, President Clinton appointed\n  a blue ribbon panel to try to resolve the apparent conflicting\n  economic signals.  This panel was chaired by Vice President Gore.\n\n  Today the panel released their results, providing a shocking conclusion.\n  \"It's the guns\" Vice President Gore said.  Apparently NRA members, and other\n  \"gun-nuts\" are purchasing firearms at in record numbers, pulling the\n  economy out of the recession.  \"Their buying them five times faster than\n  ever before, and stockpiling left and right\", the Vice President said.  \n\n  However, since many domestic firearm and ammunition manufacturers have\n  been experiencing hard times during the past few years, including several\n  declarations of bankruptcy by many leading American gun makers, they have\n  not rushed to increase hiring to meet the new demand.\n\n  \"We want to see if this run will continue before hiring more people\", said\n  the President of Colt industries.  \"As long as Clinton is in office, we\n  suspect it will\", he added.\n\n  In response to this new information, President Clinton announced a new\n  Gun Control measure to be introduced into Congress this session.  It's \n  called the \"Ban-One-A-Month\" Gun Control Bill.  Under the terms of this law,\n  every make and model of all firearms will be written on individual index \n  cards.  The cards will all be put in a big hat and the President will draw\n  one card every month.  Sixty days later that gun will be banned from any\n  further manufacture\/importation or sale in this country, except to the\n  politically connected and to members of the National Police Force.\n\n  The President said, \"This law will benefit America two ways.  When the\n  Gun-Of-The-Month is announced every thirty days, the gun-nuts will run\n  out and buy thousands of them, boosting the economy even more.  In addition,\n  over the long run, we will get all of these icky-evil guns off of the\n  street.\"  He also announce the appointment of Sarah Brady to oversee\n  this program, citing her \"Honesty, and unbiased view on the subject\n  of gun control\".\n\n  Senators Metzenbaum, DeConcini, Feinstein, and Boxer have proposed an\n  amendment to the Bill which would add additional index cards containing\n  caliber designations for all know ammunitions.  \"Their stockpiling,\n  stockpiling, stockpiling\" screamed Metzenbaum during a press conference\n  at the national Headquarters of Handgun Control Inc.\n\n  Senators Simon, Metzenbaum, and Moyenhan also introduced an amendment\n  that would make all guns illegal to possess once the last card has been\n  drawn from the hat.  Senator Simon was quoted as saying, \"First we'll\n  fuck em, then we'll kick em out of bed in the morning\", during a press\n  conference he held in the second floor Mens Restroom of the Senate\n  building.  He of course was referring to the fact that he would allow\n  the people to purchase the guns to help the economy, but would require\n  the BATF to seize all of the guns in America sometime in the year 2008,\n  after all of the cards have been drawn.\n\n  The head of the BATF responded by saying, \"We will have to see if this\n  thing in Waco is over by then.  We may be too busy to seize all those\n  guns\".\n\n  US House Representatives Pat Schroeder and David Skaggs of Colorado\n  declared this proposed law as being \"reasonable gun control which won't\n  affect anybodys Constitutional right to own sporting guns\".\n\n  - end article -\n\n  For the humor impaired :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-) \n\n                                Bill Vojak\n                                vojak@icebucket.stortek.com\n\t\t\t\tNRA, ILA,\n                                Colorado Firearms Coalition\n------------------------------------------------------------\nThe CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!)\nThe CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!)\n------------------------------------------------------------\n","2423":"From: kudla@acm.rpi.edu (Robert Kudla)\nSubject: Re: Warning on Copy II PC Board + Help on Copying?\nKeywords: Mislead, Misinform, Misdirect, COPY\nArticle-I.D.: rpi.y3g53tr\nLines: 40\nNntp-Posting-Host: hermes.acm.rpi.edu\n\nIn <C4zwC0.6LK@acsu.buffalo.edu> v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH) writes:\n\n>Now, does anyone know a way to back up the masters of Word-Perfect 5.1 for\n>Windows, Windows 3.1, and Norton 6.0 so I can send another copy to my\n>permanent (non-college) address for safe-keeping?  Students keep borrowing\n>my masters, and I'm worried they'll get screwed up!  (Please don't tell me\n\nYou realize, of course, that inevitably some anal retentive moron is\ngoing to come along and wag his fingers and his jowls in outrage that\npersonal politics are more important than [SMCAP][BOLD][Font:God\n999pt.]The Law[smcap][bold][font].\n\nBut that's irrelevant to the problem here.  Windows came with my\nsystem, but on 5.25\" disks.  I hate using 5.25\" disks, so I copied\nthem over to high density 3.5\"'s using xcopy.  It worked fine.  In\nfact, for a while I was changing configurations and whatnot so much\nthat I decided to try putting them on the hard disk.  Not only can you\ncopy them over with one disk per directory, but if you want to, you\ncan simply copy them all into one directory.  Makes it a lot nicer\nwhen you're switching printer emulations around.\n\nNorton 6.0 I don't have much experience with, but when a friend's\nsystem crashed, we restored from a backup rather than from the\noriginals, and it worked fine.  This would imply that arj a -r norton\nc:\\nu would create a workable backup, and if you did a full install\nthe first time, you've got the whole thing.\n\nNever played with WP for Windows; I'm not too big of a fan of anything\nfrom Utah.\n\nGood luck....\n\nDisclaimer: Don't Copy That Floppy! (tm) Just Say No! (r) Respect Your Elders!\nFor The Wages Of Sin Is (sic) Death And A Hefty Legal Bill!  DO YOU OFFEND?\n\nRob\n--\nRob kudla@acm.rpi.edu Keywords - Oldfield Jane's Leather Yes Win3.1 Phish\nlight blue right Bondage r.e.m. DTP Steely Dan DS9 FNM OWL Genesis In the\nspaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control..... \n","2424":"Organization: Penn State University\nFrom: Andrew Newell <TAN102@psuvm.psu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Christian Morality is\n <C5prCA.590@news.cso.uiuc.edu>\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <C5prCA.590@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)\nsays:\n>\n>In <11836@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:\n>\n>>In article <C5L1Ey.Jts@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike\n>Cobb) writes:\n>\n>>  If I'm wrong, god is free at any time to correct my mistake.  That\n>>  he continues not to do so, while supposedly proclaiming his\n>>  undying love for my eternal soul, speaks volumes.\n>\n>What are the volumes that it speaks besides the fact that he leaves your\n>choices up to you?\n\nLeaves the choices up to us but gives us no better reason\nto believe than an odd story of his alleged son getting\nkilled for us?  And little new in the past few thousand\nyears, leaving us with only the texts passed down through\ncenturies of meddling with the meaning and even wording.\n...most of this passing down and interpretation of course\ncoming from those who have a vested interest in not allowing\nthe possibility that it might not be the ultimate truth.\nWhat about maybe talking to us directly, eh?\nHe's a big god, right?  He ought to be able to make time\nfor the creations he loves so much...at least enough to\ngive us each a few words of direct conversation.\nWhat, he's too busy to get around to all of us?\nOr maybe a few unquestionably-miraculous works here and\nthere?\n...speaks volumes upon volumes to me that I've never\ngotten a chance to meet the guy and chat with him.\n","2425":"From: royc@rbdc.wsnc.org (Roy Crabtree)\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nOrganization: Red Barn Data Center\nLines: 83\n\nIn article <bskendigC5rCBG.Azp@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n>visser@convex.com (Lance Visser) writes:\n>>\n>>\tThey cut off the water, there were no fire trucks present\n>\n>They refused to bring in fire equipment for fear that the firemen\n>would be shot at.\n>\n>>and the FBI\/ATF go blasting holes into the builing and firing gas munitions.\n>\n>They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released\n>non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building.\n\n\tTake a second look at \"non-toxic, non-flammable\":\n\n\t\tMACE (sold tothe public) is supposedly nontoxic.\n\t\tWhatthey do not tell you is that if you get mace directly\n\t\ton the linings of the lungs (such as a direct snort to\n\t\tthe face) above certain quantities, it reacts similarly\n\t\tto a mustard gas inhalation.\n\n\t\t\tI know:  my father and grandfather were exposed\n\t\t\tto poison gas in WWI and WWII; Dad went through\n\t\t\tthe side effects of any WEAPON, including those\n\t\t\t\"non-toxic\" aerosols.\n\n\t\tWHat the label ACTUALLY means is ::\n\n\t\t\tusually, it wont kill you\n\t\t\tit may give you permanent CSS asthsma\n\t\t\tbut that's better than blowing a hole in your\n\t\t\t\thead ...\n\n\t\tALL aerosols are flammable IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH OXYGEN\n\t\tAND HIT IT WITH THE RIGHT IGNITER.  SOme of the most\n\t\tnon-flammable substances known will BOOM or SEARFLAME\n\t\tif you hit it with the right combo.\n\n\n\t\tLet's take one:  a trash can fire.  Makes black smoke;\n\t\talready burned right?  Can't go boom, right?  Wrong.\n\n\t\tSuck that smoke (made up of paper that has carbonized,\n\t\tor burned about 35% of the fuel in it) into an air\n\t\tconditioning return, mix with about 5:1 air, and light\n\t\ta match.  200 feet of conduit is about the same, when\n\t\tfilled with that smoke mixture, as oh, say 200 pounds TNT\n\n\t\t\tTHAT is why the fire codes say NO OPEN CEILING\n\t\t\tTILES IN BUILDINGS.  Because 3-5 stories of\n\t\t\ta building have blown OUT by \"nonflammable _smoke_\"\n\n\tSo:\n\t\tTake a little \"nonflammable aerosol\"\n\t\tMix with gasoline or kerosene fumes\n\n\t\t\tNO electricity, remeber?  A bit of heating\n\t\t\ton the WACO plains?  Boil water to drink\n\t\t\tsince the water was cut off?\n\n\t\tliberally mix and allow to settle for 1-4 hours\n\n\t\tFumes vent down into the bus underground, and the Davidians\n\t\tmove the children UPSTAIRS to a saferoom (they had one,\n\t\tarmor plated, remember?) to BREATH, because kids get sick\n\t\tand die from tear gas.\n\n\t\tand along comes a tracer, a spark, what have you:\n\n\t\t\teveryone burns to death.\n\nTry thinking before opening mouth: it may not have happened the\nway the Gmen say it did.\n\n>\n>-- \n>_\/_\/_\/  Brian Kendig                             Je ne suis fait comme aucun\n>\/_\/_\/  bskendig@netcom.com                de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire\n>_\/_\/                            n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.\n>  \/  The meaning of life     Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.\n> \/    is that it ends.                                           -- Rousseau\n\n\n","2426":"From: lli+@cs.cmu.edu (Lori Iannamico)\nSubject: Re: Giveaways \nNntp-Posting-Host: lli.mach.cs.cmu.edu\nOrganization: School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon\nLines: 13\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.173826.29856@philabs.philips.com> jpc@philabs.philips.com (John P. Curcio) writes:\n>\n\n>That's probably because they couldn't find anyone to sponser it... Maybe USS\n>could sponser the Pittsburgh Penguins\/US Steel Steel Rod Night-- close enough?\n\nMaybe in the 60's, but not now.  Steel is a dead industry in Pgh. \n\nNo, a giveaway night in the 90's for Pgh would be \"Baboon Liver Night\"\nsponored by The Pittsburgh Zoo...\n\nLori\n\n","2427":"From: MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright)\nSubject: Re: Why not concentrate on child molesters?\nArticle-I.D.: auvm.93096.030733MCARTWR\n <1993Mar28.022903.13575@ncsu.edu> <93087.042722MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu>\n <Mar28.195002.34060@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>\n <93087.190106MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu> <7166@pdxgate.UUCP>\n <1993Apr5.233224.10069@lmpsbbs.\nOrganization: The American University - University Computing Center\nLines: 53\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.233224.10069@lmpsbbs.comm.mot.com>,\nbhv@areaplg2.corp.mot.com (Bronis Vidugiris) says:\n>\n>In article <7166@pdxgate.UUCP> a0cb@rigel.cs.pdx.edu (Chris Bertholf) writes:\n>)MCARTWR@auvm.american.edu (Martina Cartwright) writes:\n>)\n>)\n>)>The official and legal term for rape is \"the crime of forcing a FEMALE\n>)>to submit to sexual intercourse.\"\n>)\n>)Please, supply me with some references.  I was not aware that all states\n>)had the word \"FEMALE\" in the rape statutes.  I am sure others are surprised\n>)as well.  I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but\n>)was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only,\n>)uniformly throughout the U.S.\n>\n>I agree mostly with Chris.  It is (unfortunately, IMO) true that the *FBI*\n>figures for rape based on the 'uniform crime report' report only female\n>rapes. However, some states (such as Illinois) are not tabluated because they\n>refuse to comply with this sexist definition!\n>--\n>The worms crawl in\n>The worms crawl out\n>The worms post to the net from your account\n\nInsofar as several \"liberal\" jurisdictions are concerned, the essential\nelements of rape are gender neutral. Nonetheless, I decided to provide\na number of references to support my original argument. Black's Law\nDictionary (every law student\/lawyer's friend) defines rape as: Unlawful\nsexual intercourse with a female without her consent. The unlawful\nknowledge of a woman by a man forcibly and against her will. The Model\nPenal Code (the statute proposed by the National Conference of Commissioners\nof Uniform State Laws or other organization for adoption by state legislatures)\ndefines rape as: A male who has sexual intercourse with a female not his wife\nis guilty of rape if he (a) compels her to submit by force or by threat of\nimminent death.... (MPC @213.1(1)(a))\n\nIndeed the following jurisdictions\/states have statutes similar to the MPC:\n\nAlabama-- Code of Ala. @13A-6-61 (1992)\nArkansas--Ark.Stat.Ann. @5-14-103 (1993)\nDistrict of Columbia--D.C. Code @22-2801 (1992)\nGeorgia--O.F.G.A. @16-6-1 (1992)\nIdaho--Idaho Code @18-6101 (1992)\nMaryland--Md.Ann.Code.Art. 27 @462 (1992)\nMississippi--Miss.Code Ann. @97-3-71 (1993)\nNew York (check case law)--N.Y.C.L.S. Penal @130.35 (1993)\nNorth Carolina--N.C. Gen.Stat. @14-27-2 (1992)\nPuerto Rico--L.P.R.A. @4062 (1993)\n\nTa,\n\nMartina\n","2428":"From: kludge@grissom.larc.nasa.gov (Scott Dorsey)\nSubject: Re: R\/S Battery of the Month Club\nOrganization: NASA Langley Research Center and Reptile Farm\nLines: 9\nNNTP-Posting-Host: grissom.larc.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <JWATERMA.93Apr14214858@jade.tufts.edu> jwaterma@jade.tufts.edu (Jason Waterman) writes:\n>I talked to a friend who works for Radio Shack, and he said the deal\n>with the Red Batteries were that they had too much lead in them.\n>Condidering the Red Batteries had a life cycle shorter than a mayflies, \n>I think the EPA was worried about all those batteries being dumped out.\n\nPardon me, but why would carbon-zinc cells have any lead in them at all.\n--scott\n\n","2429":"From: renes@ecpdsharmony.cern.ch (Rene S. Dutch student)\nSubject: InterViews graphics package\nOrganization: CERN European Lab for Particle Physics\nLines: 7\n\n\nHello,\n\nI'm trying out the C++ graphics package InterViews. Besides the man pages\non the classes, I haven't got any documentation. Is there anything else\naround? Furthermore, can anyone send me a (small!) example program\nwhich shows how to use these classes together ? I would be very gratefull...\n","2430":"From: ks@n8pph52.nt.com (Kamlesh Shah)\nSubject: Question on Motif Diaog Shell Widget under vuewm...\nOrganization: bnr\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 16\n\nDear netters,\n\nI have noticed something rather weared (I think) about creating a dialog shell\nwidget while running HP Vue's vuewm.\n\nFor some reason, every time I create a dialog shell the foreground and backgroun\nd colors are different compared to my toplevel shell.\nI am not doing anything special\/different.\n\nDoes any body know anything about this problem?? How to fix it without hardcodin\ng the colors ?\n\nPlease respond to kamlesh@salzo.cary.nc.usa ....\n\nThanks !\n-Kamlesh\n","2431":"From: kirjy@strix.udac.uu.se (Jonathan Yuen)\nSubject: Re: European M\/C Insurance\nOrganization: Uppsala University\nLines: 5\nNNTP-Posting-Host: strix.udac.uu.se\n\nI moved to Sweden and I have to take all the tests again (written and\nroad) even though I had a valid US license for 12 some years...\nOf course I became a resident, and could drive on my US license until\nI became resident.  Don't know about Italy, it's different in the EEC.\n\n","2432":"From: khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan)\nSubject: Looking for a good book for beginners\nOrganization: GMI Engineering&Management Institute, Flint, MI\nLines: 10\n\nI wanted to know if any of you out there can recommend a good\nbook about graphics, still and animated, and in VGA\/SVGA.\n\nThanks in advance\n\n--\nMohammad R. Khan                \/    khan0095@nova.gmi.edu\nAfter July '93, please send mail to  mkhan@nyx.cs.du.edu\n\n\n","2433":"Subject: XGA-2 info?\nFrom: rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu (Rainer Leberle)\nDistribution: World\nOrganization: University of Missouri Kansas City\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu\nLines: 13\n\nHi,\nhas anyone more info about the XGA-2 chipset?\nHW-funcs, TrueColor, Resolutions,...\nAny boards with XGA-2 out yet?\n\nthanks\nRainer\n\n-- \nRainer Leberle\t                           rleberle@sparc2.cstp.umkc.edu\nUniversity of Kansas City, MO  \n\n>> New mail from clinton@whitehouse.dc.gov - (No Subject Specified)\n","2434":"From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent \"Woody\" Moss)\nSubject: Re: Changing oil by self.\nKeywords: n\nNntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5\nOrganization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.160922.8797@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, sorlin@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steven J Orlin) writes:\n|> \n|> In article <1993Apr15.135514.29579@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> rdb1@cbnewsj.cb.att.com\n|> (ronald.j.deblock..jr) writes:\n|> \n|> >You can avoid these problems entirely by installing an oil drain valve in\n|> >place of the bolt.  I have one on both of my cars.  There have been no\n|> >leaks in 210,000 miles (combined miles on both cars).\n|> \n|> Yes, but then someone would have no problem draining your oil in a parking lot.\n|> \n|> all they have to do is reach underneath, turn a valve, and forget the trip \n|> home.\n|> But there is less likelyhood they have a wrench with them.\n|> \n|> I personally recommend, installing a 'special' locking drain plug to keep\n|> vandals away. :---)\n|> \n|> steve\n\nI was worried about someone stealing my oil once also. I finally \ndecided to just have my drain plug welded shut. It works great !\nI figure that when I add three or four quarts when the oil light\ncomes on every month or so that it's just as good or better than\nthe old wives tale of changing the oil AND filter every 3000 miles.\nWorks for me, I must say. \n","2435":"From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan)\nSubject: List of large integer arithmetic packages\nOrganization: Michigan State University\nLines: 285\nNNTP-Posting-Host: scss3.cl.msu.edu\nSummary: C functions to do arbitrary-precision arith\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nThis is the file BIGNUMS.TXT from ripem.msu.edu, last updated April 1993.\n\nIn response to Email requests, I have assembled this list of\nlarge-integer arithmetic packages of which I have heard.\nMost of these are C function libraries, available in source form.\n\nFor your convenience, I have placed copies of\nsome of these on ripem.msu.edu (35.8.1.178).  They are\navailable for anonymous FTP in the directory \"pub\/bignum\".\nHowever, what I have may not be the most current version in all cases.\n\nHere they are, in no particular order:\n\nmp\n    Multiple Precision package that comes with some Unixes\n    \n    Multiple precision package accessed via -lmp flag on your\n    compiler.  Provides +, -, *, \/, gcd, exponentiation,\n    sqrt.  Comes with SunOS, NeXT Mach, BBN Mach 1000, \n    and probably a few others.  See \"man mp\".  \n    Object code only, of course.\n\nPARI\n    Henri Cohen, et al., Universite Bordeaux I, Paris, FRANCE\n    \n    Multiple precision desk calculator and library routines.\n    Contains optimized assembly code for Motorola 68020, \n    semi-optimized code for SPARC, and apparently rather slow\n    generic C version.  Does both integers and reals.\n    Does vectors and matrices as well as scalars.\n    Contains a number of advanced functions, some of which I've\n    never heard of.  (\"Weber's function\"?)\n    Has a factorization function, primality test, & other related stuff.\n    Plenty of TEX documentation.\n    Public domain, but you can't distribute modified versions.\n    Available via anonymous FTP from math.ucla.edu.  There seem to\n    be Mac- and NeXT-specific versions there in addition to:\n    Filename:  pari-1.35a.tar.Z\n    \nArithmetic in Global Fields  (Arith)\n    Kevin R. Coombes, David R. Grant\n    \n    Package of routines for arbitrary precision integers or\n    polynomials over finite fields.  Includes basic +, -, *, \/\n    and a few others like gcd.  Source code in C.\n    Distributed under the terms of the GNU public license.\n    Includes man pages and TEX documentation.\n    Filename:  arith.tar.Z\n\nArbitrary Precision Math Library\n    Lloyd Zusman   Los Gatos, CA\n    \n    C package which supports basic +, -, *, \/.  Provides for radix\n    points (i.e., non-integers).  Not as polished as the others here.\n    Posted to comp.sources.misc in October 1988.\n    Filename:  apml.tar.Z\n    \nBigNum\n    J. Vuillemin, INRIA, FRANCE, and others.\n    Distributed by Digital Equipment Paris Research Lab (DECPRL)\n    \n    A \"portable and efficient arbitrary-precision integer\" package.\n    C code, with generic C \"kernel\", plus assembly \"kernels\" for\n    MC680x0, Intel i960, MIPS, NS32032, Pyramid, and of course VAX.\n    This is probably one of the better-known packages of this type.\n    Implements +, -, *, \/, mod, plus logical operations OR, AND, XOR.\n    Both signed and unsigned arithmetic available.\n    Available via email from librarian@decprl.dec.com.\n    You will receive 5 shell archives.  Give your postal address\n    and you will also receive printed documentation from France.\n    Package includes TEX documentation.\n    Publicly available for non-commercial use.\n    I removed this from my archive when I heard a rumor that PRL\n    doesn't like others to distribute it.  However, BIGNUM *is*\n    distributed as part of ecpp (see below).\n\nLenstra's package\n    Arjen Lenstra   Bellcore\n    \n    Portable unsigned integer package written entirely in C.\n    Includes +, -, *, \/, exponentiation, mod, primality testing,\n    sqrt, random number generator, and a few others.  The package\n    was uncommented and undocumented; I have tried to add enough\n    comments to get by.  This is the only of these packages that I\n    have actually used.  It works well and is very portable.  \n    I haven't done any benchmarks against the others, but the code \n    looks clever & Lenstra is an accomplished number theorist.\n    Unlike the other packages here, this one requires you to allocate\n    storage statically--only a problem if your numbers are really huge.\n    Arjen has placed the code in the public domain.  \n    Filename:  lenstra.tar.Z\n\nlenstra_3.1\n    Arjen Lenstra,  Bellcore\n\n    An improved version of Arjen's package above.  This one\n    does signed arithmetic and dynamic allocation (which can be turned\n    off as an option). Has a few new routines, too.  \"lenstra_3.1\" contains\n    minor bugfixes to the previously-available \"lenstra_2\" and \"lenstra_3\".\n    Filename:  lenstra_3.1.c\n\nbmp  (Brent's Multiple Precision?)\n    R. P. Brent\n\n    1981 vintage FORTRAN code to do extended precision floating &\n    fixed point arithmetic.  Includes most of the mathematical\n    functions you'd find in a FORTRAN run-time library.\n    This code is an ACM algorithm, number 524.\n    To obtain, send a mail message to  netlib@ornl.gov\n    containing the line \"send mp.f from bmp\" or better yet, perhaps\n    just start with \"help\".\n\nSPX\n    Kannan Alagappan & Joseph Tardo, DEC\n    \n    This is a huge prototype public key authentication system\n    based on RSA.  I mention it here because those who have heard\n    of SPX have probably correctly guessed that it contains a large\n    integer package and I want to inform you that the large integer\n    package it contains is indeed DEC's BigNum from France.\n    You can get a beta test copy of SPX from crl.dec.com (192.58.206.2). \n    Use it only for testing, as it \"may\" expire on a certain date.\n    (I don't know whether this has expired yet.)\n\namp  (Antti's Multiple Precision?)\n    Antti Louko   alo@kampi.hut.fi\n\n    Multiple precision integer package in C.  Includes +, -, *, \/, %,\n    pow, mod, 1\/x mod y, random, sqrt, gcd.  Available for non-commercial\n    use.  The package includes \"share-secret\", a public key system based\n    on the Diffie-Hellman algorithm.\n    This is normally part of the well-known \"des-dist.tar.Z\",\n    but I have removed the DES part to avoid having to deal with \n    cryptographic export laws, and have named the result:\n    Filename:  amp.tar.Z\n\ngennum  \n    Per Bothner   U of Wisconsin-Madison\n\n    C++ routines and classes to do generic arithmetic, both\n    integer and rational.  \n    Formerly available on sevenlayer.cs.wis.edu.  However, it\n    seems to have disappeared.  Sorry.\n\nMIRACL\n    (By someone in Dublin, Ireland)\n\n    Integer and fractional multiple precision package.\n    Includes factorization, primality testing, encryption.\n    Not public domain, apparently.  It is available from the Austin\n    Code Works.  (See ads in Byte Magazine or Dr. Dobbs.)\n\nprecision\n    Dave Barrett  barrettd@tigger.colorado.edu\n\n    Multiple precision integer package in C with +,-,*,\/, sqrt, rand,\n    mod, pow, log.  Simple vector support.  Does dynamic allocation of memory.\n    Free as long as you don't sell it or any program that uses it.\n    Filename:  precision.tar.Z\n\nUBASIC\n    Prof. Yuji Kida, Rikkyo University, Nishi-Ikebukuro 3, Tokyo 171, Japan\n    kida@rkmath.rikkyo.ac.jp\n\n    Multiple-precision version of the BASIC programming language,\n    for MS-DOS.  Includes floating point.  Said (by Keith Briggs)\n    to be pretty fast.  Object only, I think.  ervin@morekypr.bitnet\n    says:  \"This is the best package that I know of for\n    fast arithmetic.  Has a version optimized for 386 machines.  Includes\n    routines to do MPQS, the fastest currently known general factoring\n    algorithm.  An additional file is at both sites to allow MPQS to use\n    hard drives so that it can factor up to 80 digits.  Many number\n    theoretical functions are included in UBASIC.  It allows over 2500\n    digits of precision.\"\n    Available via anonymous FTP from shape.mps.ohio-state.edu,\n    or simtel20.army.mil, or wuarchive.wustl.edu.\n\ncalc_v22\n    Unknown\n\n    MS-DOS C-like language that allows \"infinite\" precision.\n    Nice intrinsic functions.  ervin@morekypr.bitnet reports problems\n    when changing precision on the fly.\n    See simtel20 or wuarchive.\n\nbriggs_arith\n    Keith Briggs (kbriggs@mundoe.maths.mu.oz.au)\n\n    Turbo Pascal 5 source for routines that do multiple-precision\n    +, -, *, \/, sqrt, gcd, factoring, rand for integers; also includes\n    +, -, *, \/ and rand for rational numbers.\n    Filename:  briggs_arith.pas\n\nInstitute fur Experimentelle Mathematik\n    Dr Gerhard Schneider (?)\n\n    Fast C multiple-precision subroutine library.\n    I don't know anything about it; sl25@ely.cl.cam.ac.uk says\n    to contact MAT420@DE0HRZ1A.BITNET for more info.\n    Postal Address:\n    Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik\n    EllernStr 29\n    D4300 Essen-12    GERMANY\n\nLongInt\n    Markus Mueller (mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch)\n\n    \"Multi precision arithmetic written in MODULA-2, with the most time critical\n    parts written in Assembler. Includes basic arithmetics (+, -, *, \/, %) as\n    well as arithmetics MODULO a number. An additional module provides a\n    collection of procedures for primality testing, gcd, multiplicative\n    inverse and more. The package is part of a Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)\n    package which includes a PEM mailer, RSA key generator and Certificate\n    generation tools.\"\n\n    Source is in Modula-2, C, and assembler for Sun 3.  LongInt has\n    also been ported to MS-DOS under Logitech Modula-2 and Turbo\n    Assembler.  Availability:  free for university use (research and\n    education); otherwise, a source license is required.  To obtain,\n    write or email to:\n\n        Markus Mueller\n        Bertastrasse 7\n        CH-8953 Dietikon\n        Switzerland\n        email:  mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch\n\nbignum-1.2\n    Henrik.Johansson@Nexus.Comm.SE\n\n    Bignum package written in portable C.  Will in the future\n    conform to the Common Lisp functions that handles integers.\n    Currently includes +, -, *, \/, exponentiation, \"exptmod\",\n    comparison, random numbers, and gcd.\n    Filename: bignum-1.2\n\nGNU Multiple Precision\n    GNU (Free Software Foundation) multiple precision package.\n    I haven't looked at it yet.  This is current as of April 1992,\n    but there may be a more recent version by the time you read \n    this.  This package is very widely available on FTP sites.\n    Filename: gmp-1.2.tar.Z\n\nElliptic Curve Primality Proving \n    Francois Morian, France.\n\n    Large package to prove the primality of any prime.\n    Includes Inria's BIGNUM package. \n    Obtained from ftp.inria.fr (128.93.1.26).\n    Filename: ecpp.V3.4.1.tar.Z\n\nPGP (Pretty Good Privacy)\n    Philip Zimmermann   prz@sage.cgd.ucar.EDU\n\n    Intel-based crypto package that includes bignum routines in C,\n    said to be quite fast for Intel processors.  Unix and Mac\n    versions also available.\n    The crypto package violates RSA patents, but the bignum routines\n    can be used without fear of legal repercussions.\n\nBell's Arbitrary Precision Calculator\n    David I. Bell, Australia  (dbell@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au)\n\n    Arbitrary-precision calculator with good online help, C-like\n    language, many builtin functions, support for integers,\n    rational numbers (they work like floating point), complex numbers,\n    matrices, strings, lists, files, \"objects\".  Includes \n    gcd, primality testing, even trig functions.  Recommended.\n    (Large package, though.)  Obtained from comp.sources.unix.\n    Filename: calc-1.24.7.tar.Z\n\nBuilt-in support in other languages\n    Various\n\n    Multiple precision arithmetic is available in a number of \n    programming languages, such as Lisp and ABC (cf. mcsun.eu.net).\n    Perl (by Larry Wall, available from devvax.jpl.nasa.gov)\n    includes source, in Perl, for such a package, but it's probably\n    not suitable for serious use.\n    For some of these, source code may be available.  This list is\n    long enough, so I'm not going to pursue it aggressively.\n\nThanks to Ed Vielmetti and several others who contributed to this list.\n\nMark Riordan   mrr@ripem.msu.edu\n","2436":"From: farenebt@logic.camp.clarkson.edu (Droopy)\nSubject: AHL final standings\nOrganization: Clarkson University\nLines: 35\nNntp-Posting-Host: logic.clarkson.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nFINAL 1992-93 AMERICAN HOCKEY LEAGUE STANDINGS\n\nNORTHERN DIVISION\tW\tL\tT\tPTS\tGF\tGA\tLYF*\nProvidence Bruins\t46\t32\t2\t94\t384\t348\t56\nAdirondack Red Wings\t36\t35\t9\t81\t331\t308\t84\nCapital District Isles\t34\t34\t12\t80\t280\t285\t75\nSpringfield Indians\t25\t41\t14\t64\t282\t336\t94\nNew Haven Senators\t22\t47\t11\t55\t262\t343\t--\n\nSOUTHERN DIVISION\tW\tL\tT\tPTS\tGF\tGA\tLYF\nBinghamton Rangers\t57\t13\t10\t124#\t392\t246\t91\nRochester Americans\t40\t33\t7\t87\t348\t332\t86\nUtica Devils\t\t33\t36\t11\t77\t325\t354\t74\nBaltimore Skipjacks\t28\t40\t12\t68\t318\t353\t66\nHershey Bears\t\t27\t41\t12\t66\t316\t339\t83\nHamilton Canucks\t29\t45\t6\t64\t284\t327\t--\n\nATLANTIC DIVISION\tW\tL\tT\tPTS\tGF\tGA\tLYF\nSt John's Maple Leafs\t41\t26\t13\t95\t351\t308\t90\nFredericton Canadiens\t38\t31\t11\t87\t314\t278\t96\nCape Breton Oilers\t36\t32\t12\t84\t356\t336\t82\nMoncton Hawks\t\t31\t33\t16\t78\t292\t306\t74\nHalifax Citadels\t33\t37\t10\t76\t312\t348\t67\n\n*- Last year's point total\n#- League record total\t\t\t\n\n    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\n    + Bri Farenell\t\t\tfarenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu   +\n    + AHL, ECAC and Boston Bruins contact for rec.sport.hockey\t\t   +\n    + Adirondack Red Wings, Calder Cup Champs: '81  '86  '89  '92\t   +\n    + Clarkson Hockey, ECAC Tournament Champs: '66  '91  '93\t\t   +\n    + Glens Falls High Hockey, NY Division II State Champs: '90  '91       +\n    + AHL fans: join the AHL mailing list: ahl-news-request@andrew.cmu.edu +\n    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++\n","2437":"From: banz@umbc.edu (Rob Banz)\nSubject: Looking for an R5 Xserver for HP9000\/385\nOrganization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus\nLines: 14\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: umbc7.umbc.edu\nX-Auth-User: banz\n\n\nSubject says it all...\nAnyone know where I can find one.  Binaries are nice, but source would\ndo to.  \n\nThanks in advance,\n\n\n\n-- \nRob Banz (banz@umbc.edu)\n\t\"If we give people an alternative to Microsoft...it will have been\n\t a greater good.\"\t         -Steve Jobs (UnixWorld, April 1993)\n\t\"Yes, Bill, we are your father!\" -IBM OS\/2 Presentation, FOSE'93\n","2438":"From: paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann)\nSubject: Re: Gore throws out the first ball. And media coverage of it\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: HSH Associates\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:\n> \n> In article <C5E2JA.849@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n>> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for\n>> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed.\n>> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.)\n>> \n>> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except\n>> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that\n>> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to\n>> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game.\n>> \n>> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the\n>> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before.\n> \n> Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year.  (I was listening \n> on the radio).  This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that\n> he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS.\n\nIt's come to this, has it?  Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle?\nI'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan.\ndan-quayle!  Begone!\n\n------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ ------ \n\nPaul Havemann   (Internet: paul@hsh.com)\n\n   * They're not just opinions -- they're caffeine for the brain! *\n         ** (Up to 50 milligrams per cynical observation.) **\n     Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement: 1,000 mg.  Keep reading.\n","2439":"From: DonH@cup.portal.com (Don - Hirschfeld)\nSubject: Re: Toshiba 3401B CD-ROM:  Any problems?\nOrganization: The Portal System (TM)\nLines: 1\n\nI have the PAS16 \/ Toshiba 3401 combo and have no problems with it.\n","2440":"From: bauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de (Christian Bauer)\nSubject: Re: Q700 at 34.5MHz, it's fine...\nNntp-Posting-Host: christian.informatik.uni-ulm.de\nOrganization: University of Ulm\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <lee5.734735026@husc.harvard.edu>, lee5@husc8.harvard.edu\n(Patrick Lee) wrote:\n> \n> menes@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Rainer Menes) writes:\n> \n> \n> >I wonder why nobody has ever tried to replace the oscilator only, like on a Mac IIsi. As I understand the Newer Variable Speed Overdrive is only hardware, and alittle init which is use to adjust the speed. My idear is to replace the cristal oscilator wit\n> h a socket and than I can change the oscilator very easy. This will be alot cheaper the the Newer Variable Speed Overdrive. I would gues only 20$ to 50$ are need to do the upgrade. \n> \n> >Does someone on the net ever tried this variant of speeding up the quadra 700??\nIn the May issue of C't Magazine was an article about upgrading 040 models\nof apple. They simply change crystals and add a fan.\nHammerhead: Centris 610 was able to work with 25 MHz (cooler prefered)\n            and for 1000 DM you get an 68040 (33MHz) which works with the\n            appropriate crystal at full speed. (extra cooling required)    \n            Centris 650 like Quadra 700 with extra cooling 33MHz works on\n            most machines and for real power enthusiasts they used a\n            Quadra 950 at 40 MHz wow! But for better description you should\n            get this issue of C't (a german PC magazine!) \n\nChristian Bauer\n\nbauer@informatik.uni-ulm.de\n","2441":"From: ohayon@jcpltyo.JCPL.CO.JP (Tsiel Ohayon)\nSubject: How many israeli soldiers does it take to kill a 5 yr old child?\nOrganization: James Capel Pacific Limited, Tokyo Japan\nLines: 63\n\nJLE the Great writes:\n\n[JLE] Q: How many occupying israeli soldiers (terrorists) does it\n[JLE] take to kill a 5 year old native child?\n[JLE] A: Four\n[JLE] Two fasten his arms, one shoots in the face,\n[JLE] and one writes up a false report.\n\nA couple of months ago JLE wrote a terrible C program (it would never have \npassed compilation). This is one describes JLE the Great.\n\n---- 8< Cut Here and save to jle.c ----------- >8 ----------\n\n#include <stdio.h>\n#include <signal.h>\n\n#define\tLOSER\t\t0x01\n#define\tCHILDISH\t0x01\n#define\tUNHUMORISTIC\t0x01\n#define VULGAR\t\t0x01\n#define MOSSAD_AGENT\t0x01\n\n#define J_L_E\t\tLOSER | CHILDISH | UNHUMORISTIC | VULGAR | MOSSAD_AGENT\n\nstatic void\nabort()\n{\n\tprintf(\"Even if she wanted, JLE's mother couldn't abort this program\");\n\tprintf(\"\\n\\n\\n\\n\");\n}\n\nvoid\nmain()\n{\n\tsignal(SIGINT,abort);\n\tprintf(\"This program does not help Jewish-Arab relations  :-( \\n\");\n\n\tprintf(\"Hit ^C to abort \\n\");\n\n\/* Infinite loop, JLE never comes out of his world \t*\/\n\n\twhile(J_L_E);\n}\n\n---- 8< Cut Here ----------- >8 ----------\n\n\nTo compile this \"wonderfool\" program on a unix machine try.\ncc -o jle jle.c\nor \nmake jle\n\nthen type jle at your prompt.\n\nI tried it, it works great ...\n\n\nTsiel\n-- \n----8<--------------------------------------------------------------->8------\nTsiel:ohayon@jcpl.co.jp\t   | If you do not receive this E-mail, please let me\nEmployer may not have same | know as soon as possible, if possible.\nopinions, if any !         | Two percent of zero is almost nothing.\n","2442":"From: lee139@gaul.csd.uwo.ca (Steve Lee)\nSubject: STOP MAYNARD BASHING!!!! (was Re: Roger Maynard)\nOrganization: Computer Science Dept., Univ. of Western Ontario, London, Canada\nDistribution: world \nSummary: stop this nonsense!\nKeywords: not fair, inconsiderate post\nNntp-Posting-Host: asterix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.213024.8698@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA writes:\n>Does anyone recieve annoying email from Roger Maynard whenever they post an\n>article telling them to leave him alon and stop posting to the group??\n>These emails are filled with insults- more than are usual in Roger's posts\n>and have little if any hockey info.\n>I have recieved two in the last 2 days.\n>I am just wondering if I am special or Roger trys to bully everyone who\n>disagrees with him.\n>\n>Gregmeister\n>\n\nYou can't be serious!  I and many of my colleagues have not received any\nbad e-mails from Roger, in fact, Roger happens to have answered most if not\nall of my hockey questions and curiosities, so before you start flaming\nat me or Roger, better re-consider your nasty attitude towards Roger and the\nlike!\n\n\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nSteve Lee      *      University of Western Ontario      *      London, Canada \n                      lee139@obelix.gaul.csd.uwo.ca          \n_______________________________________________________________________________\n\n","2443":"From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)\nSubject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA\nOrganization: Elect Armts Div, US Army Armt RDE Ctr, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil\n\nIn article <C5p26B.A3x@world.std.com>, artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)\nwrote:\n> \n> OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept \n> leadership.\n> \n> My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the\n> formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years\n> ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups?\n\nYep. Both were started (nominally) simultaneously. Splitsville from the\nstart (ie, if my sources are correct, one guy was involved in the start of\nboth groups. true?)\n\n                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil\n \n   \"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,\ndifficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-\nboggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it.\"\n                                                    --gene spafford, 1992\n","2444":"From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)\nSubject: Re: Pantheism & Environmentalism\nOrganization: National Association for the Disorganized\nLines: 46\n\nby028@cleveland.freenet.edu (Gary V. Cavano) writes:\n\n>...does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the\n>environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into\n>pantheism?\n\n>I've debated this quite a bit, and while I think a legitimate\n>concern for the planet is a great thing, I can easily see it\n>being perverted into something dangerous.\n\n  Many pagans are involved in environmentalism--this is only natural, since\nrespect for the earth is a fundamental tenet of all pagan denominations.  This\ndoesn't mean that environmentalism is wrong, any more than supporting peace in\nthe Middle East is wrong because Jews and Muslims also work for it.\n\n  Nonetheless, paganism is certainly on the rise, and we as Christians should\naddress this and look at what draws people from paganism to Christianity.  Like\nit or not, pagan religions are addressing needs that Christianity should be,\nand isn't.  \n  I believe that paganism has hit upon some major truths that Christianity has\nforgotten.  This doesn't mean that paganism is right, but it does mean that we\nhave something to learn from the pagan movement.\n  First, paganism respects the feminine.  Christianity has a long history of\noppressing women, and many (if not most) male Christians are still unable to\nlive in a non-sexist manner.  The idea that God is sexless, or that Christ \ncould have been a women and still accomplished his mission, is met with a great\ndeal of resistance.  This insistance on a male-dominated theology (and the \nmale-dominated society that goes with it) drives away many young women who have\nhad to put up with sexist attitudes in their churches.\n  Second, paganism respects the physical world.  This is an idea with great\nramifications.  One of these is environmentalism--respect for our surroundings\nand our world.  Another is integration of sexuality.  Christianity has a long\ntradition of calling ALL sexual feeelings sinful and urging people to suppress\nand deny their sexuality.  This is too much--sex is clearly a part of human\nexperience and attempting to remove it is simply not a feasible option.  \nChristianity has only begun to develop a workable sexual ethic, and paganism\nis an attractive option.\n  I'm not advocating that Christian doctrines (no sex before marriage, etc.)\nshould be changed--just that Christians work toward a more moderate ethic of\nsexuality.  Denial of sexuality places as much emphasis on sex as unmoderated\nsexuality, and neither one does much to bring us closer to God.\n\nAlan Terlep\t\t\t\t    \"Incestuous vituperousness\"\nOakland University, Rochester, MI\t\t\t\natterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu\t\t\t\t   --Melissa Eggertsen\nRushing in where angels fear to tread.\t\t\n","2445":"From: \"Robert Knowles\" <p00261@psilink.com>\nSubject: Re: The nonexistance of Atheists?!\nIn-Reply-To: <1993Apr15.192037.1@eagle.wesleyan.edu>\nNntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1\nOrganization: Kupajava, East of Krakatoa\nX-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.3)\nLines: 26\n\n>DATE:   15 Apr 93 19:20:37 EDT\n>FROM:   kmagnacca@eagle.wesleyan.edu\n>\n>In article <bskendigC5JCwx.Jzn@netcom.com>, bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n>>\n>> [s.c.a quotes deleted]\n>> \n>> It really looks like these people have no idea at all of what it means\n>> to be atheist.  There are more Bobby Mozumder clones in the world than\n>> I thought...\n>\n>Well, that explains some things; I posted on soc.religion.islam\n>with an attached quote by Bobby to the effect that all atheists\n>are lying evil scum, and asked if it was a commonly-held idea\n>among muslims.  I got no response.  Asking about the unknown,\n>I guess...\n\nYou should have tried one of the soc.culture groups in the Middle East\nor South Asia area (they are a little more open than the Islam channel).  \nI think someone defined atheists as polytheists cuz they say we think the \nworld created itself (or something like that) so each particle is a God \nwhich created the other Gods.  The soc.culture.african is also nice for \nsome contrasting viewpoints on the benevolence of religion.  Especially \nwhen Sudan is mentioned.\n\n\n","2446":"From: wong@ws13.webo.dg.com (E. Wong)\nSubject: Help with 24bit mode for ATI\nOrganization: Data General Corporation, Westboro, MA\nLines: 16\n\nI finally got the vesa driver for my ATI graphics ultra plus (2M).  However,\nwhen I tried to use this to view under 24bit mode, I get lines on the picture.\nWith 16bit or below, the picture is fine.  Can someone tell me what was wrong?\nIs it the card, or is it the software?\n--\nThanks\n8)\n    _\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/_\/_\/    _\/    _\/    _\/_\/    _\/_\/_\/    _\/_\/_\/  \n   _\/\t     _\/    _\/  _\/    _\/  _\/    _\/  _\/    _\/  _\/    _\/ \n  _\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/    _\/  _\/ _\/ _\/  _\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/_\/_\/    _\/    _\/\n _\/        _\/    _\/  _\/ _\/ _\/  _\/    _\/  _\/  _\/    _\/    _\/ \n_\/_\/_\/_\/  _\/_\/_\/      _\/ _\/   _\/    _\/  _\/    _\/  _\/_\/_\/    \n                                                            \nuser's name:\tEdward Wong \t\t\t\t    \nInternet:     \twong@ws13.webo.dg.com\t\t \ntelephone:\t(508) 870-9352\n","2447":"From: casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Casgrain Philippe)\nSubject: Re: what do y'all think of the IIvx?\nOrganization: Universite de Montreal\nLines: 23\n\njfinete@cats.ucsc.edu (Joseph Manuel Finete) writes:\n>The IIvx...LCIII performance at a Centris 610 price. \n>And unless\n>you're running FPU-intensive software, the 610 will blow the doors off the\n>LCIII and the IIvx.\n\nFrom the benchmarks I've seen (was that in MacUser or MacWeek?) the FPU-less\nCentris 610 is _faster_ at floating-point operations (the kind of calculations\nthat get routed to an FPU) than a Mac IIfx!\n\nAnd a Mac IIfx (68030 @ 40MHz + FPU) is _the_ fastest 030-based Mac.\n\nTake note, of course, that benchmarks never tell the whole story... Get your\nfavorite program(s) and run them on both machines at the store.  They should\nlet you do that before you plunk down a hefty amount...\n\nVirtually,\nPhilippe\n--\n-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\nPhilippe Casgrain              Etudiant-Chercheur      Casgrain@ERE.UMontreal.CA\nDepartement des Sciences Biologiques                      Universite de Montreal\n#define disclaimer(caught) (caught ? \"I wasn't even there!\" : \"I didn't do it!\")\n","2448":"From: Steve.Hayes@f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org\nSubject: Confession & communion\nLines: 14\n\n04 Apr 93, David Cruz-Uribe writes to All:\n\n DC> Also, what is Orthodox practice regarding communion?  I read\n DC> a throw-away remark someplace that the Orthodox receive less\n DC> frequently than Catholics do, but was is their current practice?\n DC> Have their been any variations historically?\n\nI think Orthodox practice varies from place to place, from parish to parish and from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. In some parishes here in South Africa the only ones who receive communion are infants (i.e. children under\n 7). In our parish it is expected that one will have been to Vespers and confessional prayers the evening before, and that one will have been fasting. As we have to travel 70km to the church, we don'\nt receive communion every Sunday, but about every third Sunday.\n\nSteve\n\n--- GoldED 2.40\n","2449":"From: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)\nSubject: My Gun is like my Ame\nOrganization: Ye Olde Bailey BBS - Houston, TX - 713-520-1569\nLines: 23\nReply-To: jim.wray@yob.sccsi.com (Jim Wray)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\n\nMark Wilson responding to C.D. Tavares:\n\n\nMW>|So the laws exist, and the penalties are as you say, but nobody is ever\nMW>|prosecuted under these laws.  They are \"traded away\" for easy pleas.\n\nMW>Having such gun laws on the books is still better than nothing.\nMW>What would the DA have traded away in order to get the guilty plea if the\nMW>gun law had not been in effect.\n\nOur liberty?\n\nRight...don't even think about enforcing the law and imposing the prescribed\npenalty....let's hose the citizens instead.\n---\n . OLX 2.2 . Madness takes its toll - please have exact change\n                            \n----\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Ye Olde Bailey BBS   713-520-1569 (V.32bis) 713-520-9566 (V.32bis)     |\n|   Houston,Texas          yob.sccsi.com       Home of alt.cosuard       |\n+------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n","2450":"From: welchg@cs.unc.edu (Gregory Welch)\nSubject: Re: TechWorks -- What You Say?\nOrganization: The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill\nLines: 30\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sirius.cs.unc.edu\n\nWell, although this may be an uncommon occurrence (or not) I had a \"bad\"\nexperience with TechWorks.  This past summer I upgraded (increased) the memory in\na powerbook and a ci.   When I called to place the order for the PB RAM, I was\ntold by the sales person that they would give me a $50 rebate if I would return\nthe original RAM (which was also TechWorks RAM.)  I followed the instructions for\nreturning the old RAM, expecting to see a credit on my VISA within a few weeks.\n\nWell, months went by, and no credit.  After many calls (almost none of which were\never returned - arghhh) I finally found someone who told me \"Why we never\nreceived your old chips.\"  I then explained I the procedure that I had\nfollowed to return them, to which the person replied \"You mean you sent them\nUS Mail?\" (which I had, per the original sales person's instructions.)  I was\ntold that they their loss of US mail shipments is not uncommon (come on) and that\nI should have sent the stuff via FedEx, etc.  I reasoned that I had done exactly\nwhat I had been told to, but they would not budge, the people I spoke with were\nabsolutely no help.  I sent letters, copies of the original receipts, attempted\nto trace the package through the US mail, made *many* more phone calls to\nTechWorks, all to no avail (I wouldn't give-up because I was so disgusted.)\nSales\/support people, supervisors, there was nothing I could do to pursuade them\nto \"make it right.\"\n\nI finally (in total disgust) wrote a letter to my credit card company, asking\nthem to investigate the problem.   Three weeks later, the credit miraculously\nappeared on my statement.  I have not (in recent memory) been so disgusted with\nthe service that I received from a company.  In all fairness, they had no way of\nknowing that was not trying to rip them off, but I went to *such* great lengths\nto prove to them that this really happened.  Oh well, c'est la vie.  I will never\nbuy another product from them again.\n\n(There - had to get that off my chest!)\n","2451":"From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM\nSubject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!\nOrganization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.\nLines: 30\n\nFrom: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)\n\nI was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a Yamaha\n750 Twin (A.K.A. \"the vibrating tank\") when I heard a wierd noise off to my\nleft.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and\njerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left...\n\n(Rest deleted)\n\nAnyone else had this sort of experience?\n\n ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----\n\n                          Stolen Taglines...\n              * God is real, unless declared integer. *\n            * I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. *\n         * Black holes are where God is dividing by zero. *\n        * The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. *\n       * Earth is 98% full.... please delete anyone you can. *\n\n   Actually, hubcap attacks are fairly common, most cagers being too\n   incompetant to reinstall them properly after changing tires, or\n   to check them after collisions.  Luckily, few are as heavy as the\n   one that got you.\n\nAl Moore  DoD  734\n\nDon't forget the immortal\n\n        * swap file read error:  you lose your mind. *\n","2452":"From: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu (Andrew C. Stoffel)\nSubject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nOrganization: Plymouth State College - Plymouth, NH.\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.151912.18590@midway.uchicago.edu> am37@midway.uchicago.edu writes:\n\n>Unless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or\n>sysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files.\nYou can add sysedit (& regedit) to a program group... they are Windows\nprograms. \n>The sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini,\n>system.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited.\n\nIs it possible to get it to load other *.ini files ????\n\n>Drewster (am37@kimbark.uchicago.edu)\n>\n\n\n-- \n|E-mail  --> un*x: oddjob@oz.plymouth.edu |vms: andys@psc.plymouth.edu |\n|Disclaimer > Any \"end-user\" software that provides NO avenue for user |\n|of the week> modification or programmability is NOT user friendly.    |\n","2453":"From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)\nSubject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.\nArticle-I.D.: mksol.1993Apr22.204742.10671\nOrganization: Texas Instruments Inc\nLines: 62\n\nIn <C5tvL2.1In@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de> hoover@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Uwe Schuerkamp) writes:\n\n>In article <C5t05K.DB6@research.canon.oz.au> enzo@research.canon.oz.au \n>(Enzo Liguori) writes:\n\n>> hideous vision of the future.  Observers were\n>>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the\n>>pad with \"SCHWARZENEGGER\" painted in huge block letters on the\n\n>This is ok in my opinion as long as the stuff *returns to earth*.\n\n>>What do you think of this revolting and hideous attempt to vandalize\n>>the night sky? It is not even April 1 anymore.\n\n>If this turns out to be true, it's time to get seriously active in\n>terrorism. This is unbelievable! Who do those people think they are,\n>selling every bit that promises to make money? \n\nWell, I guess I'm left wondering just who all the 'light fascists'\nthink *they* are.  Yes, I understand the issues.  I don't even\nparticularly care for the idea.  But am I the only one that finds the\nsort of overreaction above just a *little* questionable?  You must\nfind things like the Moon *really* obnoxious in their pollution.\n\nA few questions for those frothing at the mouth to ask themselves:\n\n\t1) How long is this thing supposed to stay up?  Sounds like it\nwould have a *huge* drag area, not a lot of mass, and be in a fairly\nlow orbit.\n\n\t2) Just what orbital parameters are we talking about here?\nWhat real impact are we talking about, really?  How many optical\nastronomers are *really* going to be impacted?\n\n\t3) Which is more important; adding a few extra days of\n'seeing' for (very few) optical astronomers or getting the data the\nsensors are supposed to return along with the data for large\ninflatables (and the potential there for an inflatable space station)?\nThe choice would seem to be one or the other, since the advertising is\nbeing used to help fund this thing.\n\n\t4) If your answer to 3) above was \"the astronomers\", then feel\nfree to come up with some other way to fund the (to my mind) more\nimportant research data that would be gained by this WITHOUT SPENDING\nANY MORE OF MY MONEY TO DO IT.  In other words, put up or shut up.\n\n>I guess we really\n>deserve being wiped out by uv radiation, folks. \"Stupidity wins\". I\n>guess that's true, and if only by pure numbers.\n\nProbably so.  I'm just not sure we agree about who the 'stupid' are. \n\n>\tAnother depressed planetary citizen,\n>\thoover\n\nYeah, me too.\n\n-- \n\"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live\n in the real world.\"   -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nFred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.\n","2454":"From: howardy@freud.nia.nih.gov (Howard Wai-Chun Yeung)\nSubject: need shading program example in X\nOrganization: (Natl. Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD)\nLines: 7\n\nDo anyone know about any shading program based on Xlib in the public domain?\nI need an example about how to allocate correct colormaps for the program.\n\nAppreciate the help.\n\nHoward.\n\n","2455":"From: jrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu (Jeff Mason)\nSubject: AUCTION: Marvel, DC, Valiant, Image, Dark Horse, etc...\nOrganization: Univ. of Florida Psychology Dept.\nLines: 59\nNNTP-Posting-Host: elm.circa.ufl.edu\n\nI am auctioning off the following comics.  These minimum bids are set\nbelow what I would normally sell them for.  Make an offer, and I will\naccept the highest bid after the auction has been completed.\n\nTITLE                                                   Minimum\/Current \n--------------------------------------------------------------\nAlpha Flight 51 (Jim Lee's first work at Marvel)\t$ 5.00\nAliens 1 (1st app Aliens in comics, 1st prnt, May 1988)\t$20.00\nAmazing Spider-Man 136 (Intro new Green Goblin)         $20.00\nAmazing Spider-Man 238 (1st appearance Hobgoblin)\t$50.00\nArcher and Armstrong 1 (Frank Miller\/Smith\/Layton)\t$ 7.50\nAvengers 263 (1st appearance X-factor)                  $ 3.50\nBloodshot 1 (Chromium cover, BWSmith Cover\/Poster)\t$ 5.00\nDaredevil 158 (Frank Miller art begins)                 $35.00\nDark Horse Presents 1 (1st app Concrete, 1st printing)\t$ 7.50 \nH.A.R.D. Corps 1 \t\t\t\t\t$ 5.00\nIncredible Hulk 324 (1st app Grey Hulk since #1, 1962)\t$ 7.50\nIncredible Hulk 330 (1st McFarlane issue)\t\t$15.00\nIncredible Hulk 331 (Grey Hulk series begins)\t\t$11.20\t\nIncredible Hulk 367 (1st Dale Keown art in Hulk)        $15.00\nIncredible Hulk 377 (1st all new hulk, 1st prnt, Keown) $15.00\nMarvel Comics Presents 1 (Wolverine, Silver Surfer)     $ 7.50\nMaxx Limited Ashcan (4000 copies exist, blue cover)\t$30.00\nNew Mutants 86 (McFarlane cover, 1st app Cable - cameo)\t$10.00\nNew Mutants 100 (1st app X-Force)                       $ 5.00\nNew Mutants Annual 5 (1st Liefeld art on New Mutants)\t$10.00\nOmega Men 3 (1st appearance Lobo)                       $ 7.50\nOmega Men 10 (1st full Lobo story)                      $ 7.50\nPower Man & Iron Fist 78 (3rd appearance Sabretooth)    $25.00\n                      84 (4th appearance Sabretooth)    $20.00\nSimpsons Comics and Stories 1 (Polybagged special ed.)\t$ 7.50\nSpectacular Spider-Man 147 (1st app New Hobgoblin)      $12.50\nStar Trek the Next Generation 1 (Feb 1988, DC mini)     $ 7.50\nStar Trek the Next Generation 1 (Oct 1989, DC comics)   $ 7.50\nWeb of Spider-Man 29 (Hobgoblin, Wolverine appear)      $10.00 \nWeb of Spider-Man 30 (Origin Rose, Hobgoblin appears)   $ 7.50\nWolverine 10 (Before claws, 1st battle with Sabretooth)\t$15.00\nWolverine 41 (Sabretooth claims to be Wolverine's dad)\t$ 5.00\nWolverine 42 (Sabretooth proven not to be his dad)\t$ 3.50\nWolverine 43 (Sabretooth\/Wolverine saga concludes)\t$ 3.00\nWolverine 1 (1982 mini-series, Miller art)\t\t$20.00\nWonder Woman 267 (Return of Animal Man)                 $12.50\nX-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, X-Force card)     $20.00\nX-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Shatterstar card) $10.00\nX-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Deadpool card)    $10.00\nX-Force 1 (Signed by Liefeld, Bagged, Sunspot\/Gideon)   $10.00\n\nAll comics are in near mint to mint condition, are bagged in shiny \npolypropylene bags, and backed with white acid free boards.  Shipping is\n$1.50 for one book, $3.00 for more than one book, or free if you order \na large enough amount of stuff.  I am willing to haggle.\n\nI have thousands and thousands of other comics, so please let me know what \nyou've been looking for, and maybe I can help.  Some titles I have posted\nhere don't list every issue I have of that title, I tried to save space.\n-- \nGeoffrey R. Mason\t\t|\tjrm@elm.circa.ufl.edu\nDepartment of Psychology\t|\tmason@webb.psych.ufl.edu\nUniversity of Florida\t\t|\tprothan@maple.circa.ufl.edu\n","2456":"From: rytg7@fel.tno.nl (Q. van Rijt)\nSubject: Re: Sphere from 4 points?\nOrganization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory\nLines: 26\n\nThere is another useful method based on Least Sqyares Estimation of the sphere equation parameters.\n\nThe points (x,y,z) on a spherical surface with radius R and center (a,b,c) can be written as \n\n   (x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 + (z-c)^2 = R^2\n\nThis equation can be rewritten into the following form:  \n\n   2ax + 2by + 2cz + R^2 - a^2 - b^2 -c^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2\n\nApproximate the left hand part by   F(x,y,z) = p1.x + p2.x + p3.z + p4.1\n\nFor all datapoints, i.c. 4, determine the 4 parameters p1..p4 which minimise the average error |F(x,y,z) - x^2 - y^2 - z^2|^2.\n\nIn 'Numerical Recipes in C' can be found algorithms to solve these parameters.\n\nThe best fitting sphere will have \n- center (a,b,c) = (p1\/2, p2\/2, p3\/2)\n- radius R = sqrt(p4 + a.a + b.b + c.c).\n\nSo, at last, will this solve you sphere estination problem, at least for the most situations I think ?.\n\nQuick van Rijt, rytg7@fel.tno.nl\n\n\n\n","2457":"From: twa2@Ra.MsState.Edu (Todd W Anderson)\nSubject: Re: Diamond Stealth 24 giving 9.4 Winmarks?\nNntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nLines: 9\n\n\n   On my 486DX33 with the Stealth 24 VLB I get 11.4 WinMarks with ver. 3.11\n\n\n\n\n\n\n   \n","2458":"From: 00mbstultz@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu\nSubject: ALL-TIME PEAK PLAYERS\nOrganization: Ball State University, Muncie, In - Univ. Computing Svc's\nLines: 195\n\nLast week I posted the ALL-TIME GREATEST PLAYERS (and haphazardly misspelled\nseveral names--SORRY!)  This week, it's time for the greatest PEAK players.\nI evaluated the following players on 4 consectutive seasons which constituted\ntheir \"prime\" or \"peak\" years.  (3 was too few; 5 seemed to many--so I settled\nfor 4).  Sources, as usual, include Total Baseball 1993 and my own (biased)\nopinions.\nHere goes, feel free to comment.\n\n 1.  Ted Williams (includes season after war)--missed actual peak years\n 2.  Babe Ruth\n 3.  Walter Johnson\n 4.  Mickey Mantle\n 5.  Mike Schmidt  (actual peak year shortened by strike)\n 6.  Barrry Bonds  (currently at peak)\n 7.  Honus Wagner\n 8.  Ty Cobb\n 9.  Tris Speaker\n10.  Willie Mays\n11.  Lefty Grove\n12.  Sandy Koufax\n13.  Joe Morgan\n14.  Ed Walsh\n15.  Christy Mathewson\n16.  Lou Gehrig\n17.  Jimmie Foxx\n18.  Cal Ripken Jr.\n19.  Pete Alexander\n20.  Cy Young\n21.  Tim Raines\n22.  Rickey Henderson  (again, strike year '81 included)\n23.  Carl Yastrzemski\n24.  Jackie Robinson\n25.  Joe DiMaggio\n26.  Rogers Hornsby  \n27.  George Sisler\n28.  Eddie Collins\n29.  Hank Aaron\n30.  Stan Musial\n31.  Joe Jackson\n32.  Wade Boggs\n33.  Charlie Gehringer\n34.  Ernie Banks\n35.  Bob Gibson\n36.  Carl Hubbell\n37.  Robin Yount\n38.  Rod Carew\n39.  Chuck Klein\n40.  Willie McCovey\n41.  Frank Robinson\n42.  Tom Seaver\n43.  Roger Clemens  (arguably, still in peak)\n44.  Mel Ott\n45.  Frank Baker\n46.  Nap Lajoie  (peak came in suspect league)\n47.  Dizzy Trout\n48.  George Brett\n49.  Mordecai Brown\n50.  Ryne Sandberg\n\n1B  Peak\n 1) Gehrig\n 2) Foxx\n 3) Sisler\n 4) McCovey\n 5) Greenberg\n 6) Frank Thomas (projected--sorry)\n 7) Dick Allen\n 8) Johnny Mize\n 9) Eddie Murray (yes, Mr.Consistency had a peak)\n10) Bill Terry\n\n2B\n 1) Morgan\n 2) J.Robinson\n 3) Collins\n 4) Hornsby \n 5) Gehringer\n 6) Carew (treated as a 2B, even though played 1B)\n 7) Sandberg\n 8) Bobby Grich\n 9) Nap Lajoie\n10) Bill Herman, Mazeroski (tough call)\n\n3B)\n 1) Schmidt\n 2) Boggs\n 3) F.Baker\n 4) Brett\n 5) Ed Mathews\n 6) Ron Santo\n 7) Harland Clift\n 8) Ken Boyer\n 9) Buddy Bell\n10) Darrell Evans\n\nSS\n 1) Wagner\n 2) Ripken\n 3) Banks\n 4) Yount\n 5) John Lloyd (estimated)\n 6) Arky Vaughan\n 7) Barry Larkin  (still in peak?)\n 8) Lou Boudreau\n 9) Ozzie Smith\n10) Joe Sewell\n\nLF\n 1) Williams\n 2) Ba.Bonds\n 3) Raines\n 4) Henderson (actually had 2 peaks; 80-83 & 83-86)\n 5) Yastrzemski\n 6) Musial\n 7) J.Jackson\n 8) Ralph Kiner\n 9) Al Simmons\n10) George Foster\n11) Willie Stargell\n\nCF\n 1) Mantle\n 2) Cobb\n 3) Speaker\n 4) Mays\n 5) DiMaggio\n 6) Oscar Charleston (again, estimated)\n 7) Duke Snider\n 8) Ken Griffey Jr.  (personal assumption)\n 9) Kirby Puckett\n10) Richie Ashburn\n11) Dale Murphy (strike season?)\n\nRF\n 1) Ruth\n 2) Aaron\n 3) Klein\n 4) F.Robinson\n 5) Ott\n 6) Roberto Clemente\n 7) Tony Gwynn\n 8) Dave Parker\n 9) Reggie Jackson\n10) Harry Heilmann\n11) Jose Canseco\n12) Darryl Strawberry\n\n C\n 1) Josh Gibson (estimated)\n 2) Mickey Cochrane\n 3) Gary Carter\n 4) Johnny Bench\n 5) Roy Campanella\n 6) Yogi Berra\n 7) Bill Dickey\n 8) Gabby Hartnett\n 9) Elston Howard\n10) Ted Simmons\n11) Joe Torre\n\n P\n 1) W.Johnson\n 2) Grove\n 3) Koufax\n 4) Walsh\n 5) Mathewson\n 6) Alexander\n 7) Young\n 8) Gibson\n 9) Hubbell\n10) Seaver\n11) Clemens\n12) Satchel Paige (estimated)\n13) D.Trout\n14) Juan Marichal\n15) Mordecai Brown\n16) Joe Wood\n17) Dave Steib\n18) Jim Palmer\n19) Bob Lemon\n20) Fergie Jenkins\n\n RP\n 1) Who cares?\n\n\nI hope there are some surprises here: Raines above Muisial?  Carter above\n Bench?  Ripken above Banks?  Bonds above Mays?\nCheck the numbers of each player in comparison to the numbers of the rest\nof the players that year(s), and you'll see that I'm fairly close with\nthis ranking system (which is primarily based on Total Player Rating) for\nfour consecutive years.\n\nEnjoy,\nMike\n","2459":"From:  (iisi owner)\nSubject: iisi clock upgrades\nOrganization: cumc\nLines: 4\n\nAny new reports about iisi clock upgrade to 25 mhz,  33 mhz?\nAny failures?\n\n-a iisi owner with a slow mac and an itchcy soldering iron\n","2460":"From: pyeatt@Texaco.com (Larry D. Pyeatt)\nSubject: Re: Mix GL with X (Xlib,Xt,mwm)\nNntp-Posting-Host: 211.2.1.65\nOrganization: Texaco\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <27808.9304211039@scorpion.dps.co.uk>, gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) writes:\n|> \n|> pyeatt@Texaco.com writes:\n|> \n|> >> There is a widget already defined for GL.  It is the GlxMDraw (motif) or\n|> >> GlxDraw (athena) widget.  It is similar to a XmDrawingArea, except that it\n|> >> allows you to use GL calls to render into the window.  Look at glxlink,\n|> >> glxunlink, glxgetconfig, and glxwinset in the man pages.\n|> \n|> Where do I get hold of these widgets?\n|> \n|>  \tGerard O'Driscoll (gerard.odriscoll@dps.co.uk)\n|>  \tDu Pont Pixel Systems Ltd.\n\nThey come with every Iris now.  Nth also ships it with their latest\nversion of Nth Portable GL.  I just got the update a couple of weeks\nago.  I would assume that Silicon Graphics would license the source\nto you so that you can include it in your company's GL offering.\n\n-- \nLarry D. Pyeatt                 The views expressed here are not\nInternet : pyeatt@texaco.com    those of my employer or of anyone\nVoice    : (713) 975-4056       that I know of with the possible\n                                exception of myself.\n","2461":"From: buck@granite.ma30.bull.com (Ken Buck)\nSubject: Re: Do trains have radar?\nOrganization: Bull Information Systems Inc.\nLines: 16\n\nhhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:\n> I came upon a \n> train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over\n> the northbound lanes. [...] Just as I passed from underneath the trestle,\n> my radar detector went into full alert - all lights lit and all chirps,\n> beeps, and buzzes going strong.\n> Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what?\n\nrecently-manufactured locomotives have wheel-slip detection systems\nthat use frequencies shared with police radar (i forget which band).\nthese will set off your radar detector if you get close enough, though\ni believe the range is pretty short.\n\nBTW, railroad police sometimes use radar to check for speeding trains\n(just like regular police check for speeding cars), although the\nintent here is for safety, not revenue collection (unlike with cars).\n","2462":"From: \"Douglas Johnson\" <p00450@psilink.com>\nSubject: Unix crypt for DOS\nNntp-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1\nOrganization: Class Technology Corporation\nX-Mailer: PSILink-DOS (3.4)\nLines: 4\n\nI've recently moved from Unix to a DOS box and have a number of files \nthat I used crypt to \"protect\".  Does anyone know of a DOS version of \ncrypt?  I've found one, but it insists on six letter keys and I used \nsome shorter ones.  Thanks for your help.  -- Doug\n","2463":"From: neff123@garnet.berkeley.edu (Stephen Kearney)\nSubject: Re: Is Microsoft Windows really and Operating system?\nArticle-I.D.: agate.1pr6rm$t7f\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: garnet.berkeley.edu\n\n>Well, you may think that, but you are wrong.\n\nAh... The joys of networking. I just hope that you forgot the :->\n\n>If you don't like the file manager, DON'T use it!\n\nI don't. I use NDW.\n\n>I like the more modular nature of Windoze.\n\nIf you like things to be modular, I think you would love System 7.\nInstead of adding a line to your autoexec.bat, you just drop the\nicon into the extensions folder.\n\n>Just because one has had ignorance sold to one by the evil \n>fruit empire, one is not forbidden to learn about one's file \n>system below the level of the GUI.\n\nI'm still working on that one :-\/\n","2464":"From: acollins@uclink.berkeley.edu (Andy Collins)\nSubject: Voltage regulation and current limiting\nOrganization: University of California, Berkeley\nLines: 37\nNNTP-Posting-Host: uclink.berkeley.edu\nSummary: Need help!!!\n\nOne not-so-quick question to throw out there for you guys...\n\nFor our class project, we need to design and build a power supply\nto the following specs:\n\nVoltatge:  adjustable from 1-12V\nCurrent:   *limited* at 1A\n\nVoltage must stay within 2% of designated value for I from 0-1A\nAC ripple less than 5 mV (rms)\n\nOf course, we can't just use an adjustable voltage, current-limiting\nregulator chip ;^)\n\nOur problem is with the current limiting (i.e. we've found stuff to\ndo the rest of the parts of the circuit).  What the supply must do,\nif presented with a load which would draw more than 1A, given the\nsupply voltage, is reduce the voltage so that the current will equal\none amp.  Thus, if we were to short the thing with the ammeter, we\nshould read one amp.  If we measure the current through a 1 ohm \nresistor at 12V, we should read one amp (and the output voltage, by\nnecessity, must be 1V.\n\nThe only basic idea we have seen for the current limiter involves\na circuit which will pull current off of the base of the output \npower transistor, and therefore reduce the output.\n\nSo, does anybody have any ideas we could work from?\n\nThanks in advance.\n\nAndy Collins, KC6YEY\nacollins@uclink.berkeley.edu\n\nps: If anybody wants to flame this as a stupid project, I agree fully,\n    but I still have to do it, its graded ;^)\n\n","2465":"From: bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner)\nSubject: Re: Dear Mr. Theist\nNntp-Posting-Host: okcforum.osrhe.edu\nOrganization: Okcforum Unix Users Group\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\nLines: 20\n\nPixie (dl2021@andy.bgsu.edu) wrote:\n\n:      For all the problems technology has caused, your types have made\n: things even worse.  Must we be reminded of the Inquisition, Operation\n: Rescue, the Ku Klux Klan, Posse Comitatus, the 700 Club, David Duke, Salem\n: Witch Trials, the Crusades, gay bashings, etc.\n:      PLUS virtually each and every single war, regardless of the level of\n: technology, has had theistic organizations cheering on the carnage\n: (chaplains, etc.), and claiming that god was in favor of the whole ordeal. \n: Don't forget to pray for our troops!\n:      \n\nThis is really tedious. Every bad thing that's ever happened is\nbecause the malefactors were under the influence of religion - does\nanyone -really- believe that. I've seen it so often it must be a\npretty general opinion in a.a, but I want to believe that atheists are\nreally not THAT dishonest. Please, stick to the facts and, having\naccomplished that, interpret them correctly.\n\nBill\n","2466":"From: dewinter@prl.philips.nl (Rob de Winter)\nSubject: WANTED: Address SYMANTEC\nOriginator: dewinter@prl.philips.nl\nOrganization: Philips Research Laboratories, Eindhoven, The Netherlands\nLines: 17\n\nI am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which \ndistributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software.\n\nThe information I am looking for is:\n\nMail address\nPhone number\nFax number\nE-mail address\n\nThanks in advance.\n\n-- \n*** Nothing beats skiing, if you want to have real fun during holidays. ***\n***       Rob de Winter  Philips Research, IST\/IT, Building WL-1        ***\n***       P.O. Box 80000, 5600 JA  Eindhoven. The Netherlands           ***\n***       Tel: +31 40 743621  E-mail: dewinter@prl.philips.nl           ***\n","2467":"From: jigang@dale.ssc.gov (Jigang Yang)\nSubject: Re: internationalized menus & icon labels\nKeywords: icon, motif, openlook\nNntp-Posting-Host: dale.ssc.gov\nOrganization: SSC Lab\nLines: 15\n\n\n\n             I have a problem with icon pixmap. My application has to run\n   under openwindow and motif. I wrote my program in Motif with pixmap and\n   icons. It runs fine under motif\/motif window manager and X11R5\/mwm. But \n   the icon pixmap does not show up under openwin\/olwm and X11R5\/olwm.\n\n             Has anybody got into this kind of problem? Need a clue. An \n   example which works in both X11R5\/motif and openwindow will be great.\n\n-- \nJigang Yang, jigang@dale.ssc.gov, jyang@sscvx1.bitnet\n2550 Beckleymeade Ave. MS 4011  Tel: 214-708-3498\nDallas, TX 75237                Fax: 214-708-4898 \n \n","2468":"From: Peter.vanderveen@visser.el.wau.nl  (Peter van der Veen)\nSubject: Re: Fonts in POV??\nLines: 30\nOrganization: Wageningen Agricultural University\nX-Newsreader: FTPNuz (DOS) v1.0\n\nIn Article <1qg9fc$et9@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au> \"g9134255@wampyr.cc.uow.edu.au (Coronado Emmanuel Abad)\" says:\n> \n> \n> \tI have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it \n> RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image.\n> The fonts\/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with\n> them.  Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV??\n> \n> \n> Thanks,\n> \n> Noel\n> \nYes, there are serveral programs which can convert font files (eq the Borland\nfonts) to objects consisting of spheres, cones etc. \nI've used a program (forgot its name\/place, but i can look for it) which\nconverted these Borland fonts to three different raytracers. Vivid, POV and\nPolyray (which i like more (more flexibel\/faster\/use of expressions etc).\nThe program has a lot nice features.\nSo if interested give me a mail.\n\n \/*---------*\\*\/*-------------------------------------------*\\\n *|  ____\/|  *|*    PETER.VANDERVEEN@VISSER.EL.WAU.NL       |*\n *|  \\ o.O|  *|*    Department of Genetics                  |*\n *|   =(_)=  *|*    Agricultural University                 |*\n *|     U    *|*    Wageningen, The Netherlands             |*\n \\*---------*\/*\\*-------------------------------------------*\/\n","2469":"From: mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (Marc Gabriel)\nSubject: Re: How to Diagnose Lyme... really\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 44\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nGordon Banks (geb@cs.pitt.edu) wrote:\n: In article <1993Apr12.201056.20753@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> mcg2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (\nMarc Gabriel) writes:\n\n: >Now, I'm not saying that culturing is the best way to diagnose; it's very\n: >hard to culture Bb in most cases.  The point is that Dr. N has developed a\n: >\"feel\" for what is and what isn't LD.  This comes from years of experience.\n: >No serology can match that.  Unfortunately, some would call Dr. N a \"quack\"\n: >and accuse him of trying to make a quick buck.\n: >\n: Why do you think he would be called a quack?  The quacks don't do cultures.\n: They poo-poo doing more lab tests:  \"this is Lyme, believe me, I've\n: seen it many times.  The lab tests aren't accurate.  We'll treat it\n: now.\"  Also, is Dr. N's practice almost exclusively devoted to treating\n: Lyme patients?  I don't know *any* orthopedic surgeons who fit this\n: pattern.  They are usually GPs.\n\nNo, he does not exclusively treat LD patients.  However, in some parts of the\ncountry, you don't need to be known as an LD \"specialist\" to see a large\nnumber of LD patients walk through your office.  Given the huge problem of\nunderdiagnosis, orthopedists encounter late manifestations of the disease just\nabout every day in their regular practices.  Dr. N. told me that last year,\nhe sent between 2 and 5 patients a week to the LD specialists... and he is not\nthe only orthopedists in the town.\n\nLet's say that only 2 people per week actually have LD.  That means at the\n*very minimum* 104 people in our town (and immediate area) develop late stage\nmanifestations of LD *every year*.  Add in the folks who were diagnosed by\nneurologists, rheumatologists, GPs, etc, and you can see what kind of problem\nwe have.  No wonder just about everybody in town personally knows an LD\npatient.\n\nHe refers most patients to LD specialists, but in extreme cases he puts the\npatient on medication immediately to minimize the damage (in most cases, to\nthe knees).\n\nGordon is correct when he states that most LD specialists are GPs.\n\n-Marc.\n-- \n--\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\n              Marc C. Gabriel        -  U.C. Box 545  -\n              (215) 882-0138         Lehigh University\n","2470":"From: cutter@gloster.via.mind.org (cutter)\nSubject: Re: A Message for you Mr. President: How do you know what happened?\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Gordian Knot, Gloster,GA\nLines: 26\n\nbskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:\n\n> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice) writes:\n> >\n> >One way or another -- so much for patience. Too bad you couldn't just \n> >wait. Was the prospect of God's Message just too much to take?\n> \n> So you believe that David Koresh really is Jesus Christ?\n> \n\nYou know, everybody scoffed at that guy they hung up on a cross too.\nHe claimed also to be the son of God; and it took almost two thousand \nyears to forget what he preached.\n\n\tLove thy neighbor as thyself.\n\n\nAnybody else wonder if those two guys setting the fires were 'agent \nprovacateurs.'\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\ncutter@gloster.via.mind.org (chris)     All jobs are easy \n                                     to the person who\n                                     doesn't have to do them.\n                                               Holt's law\n","2471":"From: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM (Kenneth Melcher)\nSubject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?\nReply-To: kmelcher@rafael.Arco.COM\nOrganization: ARCO Exploration and Production Technology\nLines: 3\n\nMy dad has always blamed the Phillies collapse in '64 on me...  On Sept 21,  1964,  the Phillies had something like a 9 game lead with 12 to play.  I was born on Sept 21,  1964.  The Phils proceeded to lose something like 10 straight while the Cards won 10 straight (does anyone know hte exact numbers?),  and a pennant was blown.  To this day my dad likes to remind me that it all began when I was born!\n\nKRM\n","2472":"Nntp-Posting-Host: bones.et.byu.edu\nLines: 6\nSubject: PD 3D Viewer wanted\nSummary: 3D\nExpires: May 20, 1993\nOrganization: Brigham Young University, Provo UT USA\nFrom: qiaok@bones.et.byu.edu (Kun Qiao)\n\nI am looking for a public domain 3d viewer.  It does not have to be very\nfancy.  The features I want is simple wireframe display, flat shading, \nsimple transformation.  It would be nice to have hidden line.    \n\nAny information is appreciated.\n\n","2473":"From: Alexander Samuel McDiarmid <am2o+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610\nOrganization: Sophomore, Mechanical Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 22\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <C5115s.5Fy@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>\n\nExcerpts from netnews.comp.sys.mac.misc: 5-Apr-93 Re: HELP INSTALL RAM\nON CEN.. by Jason Harvey Titus@farad \n> From: jht9e@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Jason Harvey Titus)\n> Subject: Re: HELP INSTALL RAM ON CENTRIS 610\n> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1993 20:05:51 GMT\n>  \n>         I had asked everyone about problems installing a 4 meg\n> simm and an 8 meg simm in my Centris 610, but the folks at the\n> local Apple store called the folks in Cupertino and found that\n> you can't have simms of different speeds in one machine, even\n> if they are both fast enough - ie - My 80 ns 8 meg and 60ns 4\n> meg simms were incompatibable...  Just thought people might\n> want to know.....\n>                                         Jason.\n\n\n\noh boy am i confused, I thought the entire point of the 72 pin simms was\nthat you could use diffrent size simms so you could avoid having to use\nsets.  all horror stories not withstanding.\n\n                                                                -A.\n","2474":"From: smd@iao.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)\nSubject: Changing colors on a label - HELP\nOrganization: Ford Motor Company -- standard disclaimers apply\nLines: 21\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: smd@iao.ford.com (Steve Dahmen)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ope001.iao.ford.com\n\n\nI have a toggleButton widget (yes widget) and I have a routine\nwhich changes the color of the foreground and background of the\nlabel.  Well, the background changes alright, but the label\ntext does not redraw itself.\n\nI am guessing that I have to force it to redraw with an\nXExposeEvent sent to it via XSendEvent.  Is this the best\nway to get the text up again?  I can't seeem to get\nXSEndEvent to work right.... if this is a good approach,\nmight anyone have an example lying around to show me how to\ndo this?  I've RTFM all evening and did not find a decent\nexample.\n\nPS I keep getting Segmentation Faults in XSEndEvent, tho all\nthe values are as expected.\n\nThanks in Advance\n\nStephen M. Dahmen\n\n","2475":"From: rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (Yamanari)\nSubject: Turbomodem+ (Complete Pc) question\nNntp-Posting-Host: rac2.wam.umd.edu\nOrganization: University of Maryland, College Park\nLines: 43\n\n\n\tI'm trying to transfer some software between two machines \n\tand I'm having real trouble.  My own Intel 14.4k (\n\tv32\/v32bis\/v42\/v42bis) works fine--I just talk to it\n\tat 56k and everything comes out clear.  This other modem,\n\tat the other machine, is a \"Turbomodem+\" from \"The \n\tComplete PC\" (the machines are in seperate houses, \n\tso a direct serial link is impossible, and copying this\n\tmuch data to disk is a pain--easier to turn the machines\n\ton for a few hours and go see a movie--no, this is not\n\tpirated software).\n\n\tI am having no end of trouble trying to set it up.  It will\n\tdial and connect just fine--at 9600 baud.  But if I try to\n\tset the comm at 19k2, 38.4k or 56kbps, the stupid thing\n\tconnects, but just gives garbage (it connects 14.4k).  \n\tHis machine (a dx48633) has a 16550AFN UART, so that's\n\tnot the problem.\n\n\tIt seems to me that the stupid thing wants to talk to \t\n\ta comm program _at_ 14.400bps, even though it will take\n\tdialing instructions at 56k (and respond OK, etc. to \n\tother commands).  I don't have a comm program that can\n\tdo precisely 14.4k.  \n\n\tI looked at the manual but it was unclear.  All I know is,\n\tI didn't have this trouble with the Intel--it came\n\tready to connect this way.  Do I need to initialize it\n\tany way in particular?\n\n\tAlso, it's _using_ V.42bis and V.42 (and MNP5) when connecting\n\there (i.e., at 9600, since our tests at 14k4 are zip so far)\n\tbut it doesn't _say_ so there.  any ideas?\n\n\t(BTW:  I tried the initialization string that I use for\n\tmy modem, but it just gives ERROR on that one)\n\n\n-- \nMOSCOW: A grandfather who taught literature in an orphanage has gone on trial\nin Rostov-on-the-Don after confessing to more than 50 gruesome sexual murders\nwhose victims included children as young as eight.\n\t-- Events in modern history, from the Sunday Mail, 19-Apr-92\n","2476":"Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian M\nFrom: NUNNALLY@acs.harding.edu (John Nunnally)\n <kmr4.1587.734911207@po.CWRU.edu> <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> <1qksc2$2mr@fido.asd.sgi.com>\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Harding University, Searcy, AR\nNntp-Posting-Host: acs.harding.edu\nX-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24In-Reply-To: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com's message of 15 Apr 93 23:50:26 GMTLines: 67\nLines: 67\n\nIn <1qksc2$2mr@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com writes:\n\n> In article <1qkoel$5fr@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:\n> |> \n> |> Good question, my point was that a world with truth is better than a world\n> |> with falsehood.  A world in which it were possible to say \"yes, I am\n> |> holding a Jew\" (the truth) and you, me, the Jew, and the SS guy all sit\n> |> down to crack open a bottle of whiskey is better than the grim alternatives \n> |> you present. Obviously, this is not possible, and the best alternative seems\n> |> to be to lie.  That's because other values are involved, such as life.\n> |> Now that IS just my opinion - don't confuse the claim 'objective morality\n> |> exists' with the claim 'I have a lock on morals'.\n> \n> I think that at this point it would actually be quite easy to\n> confuse objective morality with relative morality.\n> \n> jon.\nActually, jon, that is quite true.  Christian people have caused\n\"objective morality\" to look very \"relative.\"  After all, that was the\npoint of the original question in this thread, i.e. can we toss out\nChristianity because it is so obviously inconsistent with its own\nprinciples?  If you will bear with me, I will attempt to explain this\napparent inconsistency from at least one Christian's viewpoint:\n\nIf God exists and is the creator of mankind as the Bible claims, then\nHe has a pretty well-defined concept of what makes people tick\nphysically, emotionally, etc.  GOD has an \"objective\" morality for us.\nThat is to say, He has no trouble understanding what is good for (or\ndetrimental to) the creature He created. \n\n\tGalatians 2:10-- For we [mankind] are His workmanship, created in\n\tChrist Jesus for good works [a morality], which God prepared\n\tbeforehand [a well-defined design], that we might walk in them.\n\nHowever, contrary to what many people assume (including the Pharasees\nof the Bible,) God's morality cannot be completely codified in a list\nof rules and regulations.  To some extent, every activity of a\nperson's life creates a new situation to which morality must be\napplied.  There never could be enough volumes to codify God's\n\"objective\" morality for us. \n\nThroughout history, mankind has tried to reduce morality to a list of\nrules (objectivity, if you please.)  In the Old Testament, we have\nboth principles and specific rules.  By the time of Jesus, most of the\nprinciples were obscured by the emphasis men had placed on the rules.\nVolumes of additional rules had been made to try to codify the\napplication of the principles.  We [mankind] weren't comfortable with\nthe \"subjectivity\" of principles. \n\n\tFor reference see Matthew 5 where Jesus explains the difference\n\tbetween the Law and the principles of the Law.  For example, in\n\tverses 21-22:  \"You have heard that the ancients were told,\n\t'You shall not commit murder'...and 'Whoever commits murder shall\n\tbe liable to the court.'  But I say to you that everyone who is\n\tangry with his brother shall be liable to the court...\"\n\nThe \"objective morality\" of God gets blurred by our inept\ninterpretation of it.  We [Christians] have made our biggest errors\nwhen we have allowed any one person or group of people decide EXACTLY\nwhat God intended for us.  If we [Christians] would stay committed to\nseeking God's will instead of trying to prove we already had it all\nfigured out, we might do a better job of allowing others to find God's\n\"objective morality\" for themselves.  If Jesus is who he said he\nwas\/is (and that's the fundamental question,) then HE IS \"objective\nmorality.\" \n\nJohn Nunnally\n","2477":"From: gotribe@cbnewse.cb.att.com (richard.g.barry)\nSubject: Re: Reds Without Sleeves (was Re: New Uniforms)\nArticle-I.D.: cbnewse.1993Apr6.220115.16282\nOrganization: AT&T\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993Apr6.204514.2180@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:\n> In article <12805@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes:\n> >\n> >\n> >Am I the only person who thinks the Reds sleeveless uniforms are\n> >ugly?  Yet another reason why they won't win the NL West! ;)\n> \n\n> If uniforms really were a deciding factor in pennant races, the '79 Pirates\n> would have never won anything; those have to be the ugliest uniforms I've\n> ever seen, particular the all-yellow set.\n> \n> Sherri Nichols\n> snichols@adobe.com\n> \n\nMy vote goes for the ('75?) Indians with their all-red uniforms.\nBoog Powell once said he felt like a big red blood clot.\n\nRich Barry\nbarry@ihlpe.att.com\n","2478":"Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, academic Computer Center\nFrom: Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu>\nSubject: Re: Statement to everyone on t.p.g\n <1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>\nLines: 43\n\nIn article <1993Apr19.201300.27080@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU>,\nandy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) says:\n>\n>Clue - Kratz' position isn't a defense against inaccuracy.\n>\n>I oppose gun control because it doesn't work.  If it did, I'd support\n>it.  In fact, I supported gun control before I did my homework.\n>\n>There's no demand for pro-gun people who don't know what they're\n>talking about.  In fact, they'd be much better off if they didn't say\n>anything.\n>\nAnd why is this Freeman?  Even if a pro-gun person doesn't know what they are\ntalking about there is always the possibility that they will learn a thing or\ntwo.  I am and will continue to post even if people get angry with what I have\nto say.  I have several good sources of material now that I know where to look\nso calm down.\n\n>There's lots of information flowing on tpg for those interested in\n>learning.  One can participate in those discussions without ranting\n>inaccurately.  Failure to do so has consequences.\n>\nAh, Freeman seems to forget from my statement that I am learning.  I have also\nasked several of the not-so-hostile folks on this group for sources of\ninformation to read.  Do you think, Freeman, that maybe this means I am\ninterested in learning?  I think it does because as you said people who don't\nknow anything won't be good for the pro-gun cause.\n\n>Another good habit to get into is to go read-only for a while, to take\n>the time to figure out how things work.\n>\nAnother good habit to get into is to realize that not everyone is you Freeman\nand accept mistakes.  Sure, maybe it could have been some type of\nmisinformation being slung by some anti-gun nut but it wasn't.  I made my\nstatement to inform everyone of this and everyone who replied said don't worry\nabout it but also to learn as much as you can.  They accepted my mistake and\ngave me sources of information and told me to read as much as possible.  I have\nread several posts of yours and have found them informative.  Why don't you\ngive me the same chance?\n\n>-andy\n\nJason\n","2479":"From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)\nSubject: Re: VHS movie for sale\nOrganization: Georgia Institute of Technology\nLines: 14\n\nIn article <1qvk1u$jnu@bigboote.WPI.EDU> martimer@jaguar.WPI.EDU (the random one...) writes:\n>>Dance with Wovies\t($12.00)\n>\t    ^^^^^^ what the  hell ios a 'wovie' ?? (wovy (sp))??\n\t\t\t\t  ^^^\n\t\t           what the hell is 'ios'? \n\nFix your own typos before you blame others....\n\n\n-- \nGO SKINS!    ||\"Now for the next question... Does emotional music have quite\nGO BRAVES!   ||   an effect on you?\" - Mike Patton, Faith No More \nGO HORNETS!  ||\nGO CAPITALS! ||Mike Friedman (Hrivnak fan!) Internet: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu\n","2480":"From: karn@unix.ka9q.ampr.org (Phil Karn)\nSubject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords\nNntp-Posting-Host: unix.ka9q.ampr.org\nReply-To: karn@servo.qualcomm.com\nOrganization: Qualcomm, Inc\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.233112.24107@colnet.cmhnet.org>, res@colnet.cmhnet.org (Rob Stampfli) writes:\n|> >Sadly, it does not. Suspects can be compelled to give handwriting and\n|> >voice exemplars, and to take blood and DNA tests.\n|> \n|> I am sure that Mike is correct on this point.  I am also pretty sure that\n|> administering \"truth serum\" would be ruled a violation of your right\n|> not to incriminate yourself.  But, what is the salient difference?\n\nYou can find the salient difference in any number of 5th amendment\nrelated Supreme Court opinions. The Court limits 5th amendment\nprotections to what they call \"testimonial\" evidence, as opposed to\nphysical evidence.\n\nThe whole question would hinge on whether a crypto key would be\nconsidered \"testimonial\" evidence. I suppose arguments could be made\neither way, though obviously I would hope it would be considered\ntestimonial.\n\nPhil\n","2481":"From: richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel)\nSubject: Re: VL-bus HDD\/FDD controller or IDE HDD\/FDD controller?\nIn-Reply-To: taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com's message of 20 Apr 93 13:30:17 GMT\nLines: 16\nOrganization: Grebyn Timesharing, Inc.\n\nIn article <62890018@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com> taybh@hpsgm2.sgp.hp.com (Beng Hang TAY) writes:\n\n>   Hi,\n>       I am buying a Quantum LPS240AT 245 MB hardisk and is deciding a\n>       HDD\/FDD controller. Is 32-bit VL-bus HDD\/FDD controller faster \n>       than 16 bit IDE HDD\/FDD controller card?\n\nNo, VL-bus IDE is no faster than ISA IDE.  The IDE interface is\nfundamentally nothing more than an extension of the ISA bus, and if\nyou hook it to VL-bus it'll work as fast as the slower of the two,\nmeaning ISA speed.\n\n>       I hear that\n>       the VL bus controller is SLOWER than a IDE controller?\n\nOn the other hand, I wouldn't expect it to be *slower*...\n-- \nRichard Krehbiel                                 richk@grebyn.com\nOS\/2 2.0 will do for me until AmigaDOS for the 386 comes along...\n","2482":"From: hakamata@dpcdc.sony.co.jp (Hakamata Atsushi)\nSubject: Need Info on font cartridge for HP LaserJet II\nReply-To: hakamata@dpcdc.sony.co.jp\nOrganization: Display Products Group, Sony Corporation, Tokyo, Japan\nLines: 11\nNntp-Posting-Host: 43.2.19.6\n\nI am looking for good add-on font cartridge for HP LaserJet II.\nI found in PC Magazine article IQ Enginnering and Pacific Data Products\nare well-known maker of cartridge for HP LaserJet series. But I couldn't find\nthe model name of these products.\n\nAny suggestions please.\n\nThanks in advance,\n\n  Hakamata Atsushi\n  Sony Corporation    Osaki Technology Center\n","2483":"From: nsl@doe.carleton.ca (Nelson Lup Shun Liu)\nSubject: Conner CP3204F info please\nKeywords: conner\nOrganization: Dept. of Electronics, Carleton University\nLines: 11\n\nI am looking for information about this drive.  Switch settings, geometry..etc.\n\nConner CP3204F\n\nPlease reply via e-mail.  Many thanks in advance!\n\n--\nNelson\nnsl@doe.carleton.ca\n","2484":"From: kubovich@iastate.edu (Mark W Kubovich)\nSubject: Common-mode noise and small signals\nKeywords: noise common mode\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 20\n\nI have never worked with really small signals before and have a few \nquestions about low level noise.  I have noticed that the waveform \nsynthesizer that I am using (Analogic 2020) has some relatively large\ncommon mode noise on it.  I am using this synthesizer to 'null' out another\ntransient waveform and am amplifying the difference (~200uV) several hundred \ntimes.  The 2020 has about 1-3 mVp-p of common mode noise and this tends to\nmake my measurements hard to repeat.  (The noise is not quite in sync with \nline frequency, and on a spectrum analyzer, the main component is about 64Hz).\n\nHow can I get rid of the noise?  When I look at the spectrum using an\nHP 3582A (audio range analyzer), the noise goes away the minute I switch to \n'isolation' on the input.  I am guessing the anlayzer has a diff amp on the \ninput since it will read accurately down to DC.\n\nAlso, if I use a differential amplifier (IA) to solve the problem, \nhow important is it to use one of these 'shield drivers' (an amp connected \nto the shield in sort of a feedback loop to remove trouble caused \nby different cable capacitances)?  If anyone can suggest a good IC IA for \nuse with transient signals with content from 1KHz to about 300KHz, I would\nappreciate it.  \n","2485":"Subject: curious about you\nFrom: Maria Alice Ruth <MAO111@psuvm.psu.edu>\nOrganization: Penn State University\nLines: 20\n\nPlease satisfy my curiosity. I'm interested in finding out who is using the\ne-mail system. Please do not flood me with mail after April 21st. Thanks!\nMaria Alice Ruth  mao111@psuvm.bitnet or @psuvm.psu.edu\n\n1. Are you male or female?\n\n2. How long have you been using the e-mail system?\n\n3. How do you have access (at work, at school, etc)?\n\n4. Who taught you how to use the system? Is that person male or female?\n\n5. Have you helped anyone to learn the system? Was that person(s) male or\n   female?\n\n6. Which net did you find my questions on?\n\n7. Which other nets are you interested in?\n\n8. How often do you read\/post to the system?\n","2486":"From: dwilson@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (David Wilson)\nSubject: VIDEO CAMERA, AMIGA 3000 For Sale as of 4\/16\nLines: 46\nOrganization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 46\n\nIf you are interested in (any of) the following, please contact me:\n        EMail           mbeck@vtssi.vt.edu\n        Phone           (703)552-4381\n        USMail          Michael Beck\n                        1200 Progress Street #5500E\n                        Blacksburg, Virginia 24060\n~~~~~~~~~~FOR SALE as of 12AM 4\/16\/93~~~~~~~~~~\n \n1       PANASONIC AF X8 CCD OmniMovie Camcorder\n                VHS HQ\n                High Speed Shutter\n                Flying Erase Head\n                ca. 3 years old, but only used VERY lightly\n                Date\/Time stamp\n                Counter\/Memory\n                Rec Review\n                Fade\n                Back Light\n                Auto\/Manual Focus\n                Built in microphone\/Jack for external microphone\n                Comes with:\n                        Sturdy aluminum\/hardplastic carrying case\n                                (20\" long X 13\" wide X 6\" high)\n                        Shoulder strap\n                        Power adaptor\/battery charger\n                        Battery pack\n                        Remote recording controller\n                        UHF\/VHF ---> cable adaptor\n                        Audio\/Video cables and adaptor\n                Aproximate dimensions (measured around outmost features)\n                        15\" long X 4\" wide X 8\" high (w\/ handle)\n                ASKING PRICE:  $BEST OFFER  ($700 new price)\n \n1       AMIGA 3000UX    25mhz, unix compatible machine w\/100 meg Hard\n                Drive, 4 meg RAM, no monitor, keyboard (ESC and ~ keys \n                broken)\n                ASKING PRICE:   $1500 OBO.\n \nmult.   PROTEON P1390 token ring cards          \n \nSOLD!!     AT&T Portable Cellular Phone, Model 3730\n                ASKING PRICE:   $SOLD FOR $350 (Listed at $600 new)\n \nSOLD!!  COMPAQ LTE\/286 laptop - contact for details\n                BEST OFFER SO FAR $SOLD FOR $475\n\n","2487":"From: kaminski@netcom.com (Peter Kaminski)\nSubject: Re: Krillean Photography\nLines: 101\nOrganization: The Information Deli - via Netcom \/ San Jose, California\n\n[Newsgroups: m.h.a added, followups set to most appropriate groups.]\n\nIn <1993Apr19.205615.1013@unlv.edu> todamhyp@charles.unlv.edu (Brian M.\nHuey) writes:\n\n>I am looking for any information\/supplies that will allow\n>do-it-yourselfers to take Krillean Pictures.\n\n(It's \"Kirlian\".  \"Krillean\" pictures are portraits of tiny shrimp. :)\n\n[...]\n\n>One might extrapolate here and say that this proves that every object\n>within the universe (as we know it) has its own energy signature.\n\nI think it's safe to say that anything that's not at 0 degrees Kelvin\nwill have its own \"energy signature\" -- the interesting questions are\nwhat kind of energy, and what it signifies.\n\nI'd check places like Edmund Scientific (are they still in business?) --\nor I wonder if you can find ex-Soviet Union equipment for sale somewhere\nin the relcom.* hierarchy.\n\nSome expansion on Kirlian photography:\n\nFrom the credulous side: [Stanway, Andrew, _Alternative Medicine: A Guide\nTo Natural Therapies_, ISBN 0-14-008561-0, New York: Viking Penguin, 1986,\np211, p188.  A not-overly critical but still useful overview of 32\nalternative health therapies.]\n\n  ...the Russian engineer Semyon Kirlian and his wife Valentina during the\n  1950s.  Using alternating currents of high frequency to 'illuminate'\n  their subjects, they photographed them.  They found that if an object\n  was a good conductor (such as a metal) the picture showed only its\n  surface, while the pictures of poor conductors showed the inner\n  structure of the object even if it were optically opaque.  They found\n  too that these high frequency pictures could distinguish between dead\n  and living objects.  Dead ones had a constant outline whilst living ones\n  were subject to changes.  The object's life activity was also visible in\n  highly variable colour patterns.\n\n  High frequency photography has now been practised for twenty years in\n  the Soviet Union but only a few people in the West have taken it up\n  seriously.  Professor Douglas Dean in New York and Professor Philips at\n  Washington University in St Louis have produced Kirlian photographs and\n  others have been produced in Brazil, Austria and Germany.\n\n  Using Kirlian photography it is possible to show an aura around people's\n  fingers, notably around those of healers who are concentrating on\n  healing someone.  Normally, blue and white rays emanate from the fingers\n  but, when a subject becomes angry or excited, the aura turns red and\n  spotty.  The Soviets are now using Kirlian photography to diagnose\n  diseases which cannot be diagnosed by any other method.  They argue that\n  in most illnesses there is a preclinical stage during which the person\n  isn't actually ill but is about to be.  They claim to be able to\n  foretell a disease by photographing its preclinical phase.\n\n  But the most exciting phenomenon illustrated by Kirlian photography is\n  the phantom effect.  During high frequency photography of a leaf from\n  which a part had been cut, the photograph gave a complete picture of the\n  leaf with the removed part showing up faintly.  This is extremely\n  important because it backs up the experiences of psychics who can 'see'\n  the legs of amputees as if they were still there.  The important thing\n  about the Kirlian phantoms though is that the electromagnetic pattern\n  can't possibly represent a secondary phenomenon -- or the field would\n  vanish when the piece of leaf or leg vanished.  The energy grid\n  contained in a living object must therefore be far more significant than\n  the actual object itself.\n\n  [...]\n\n  Kirlian photography has shown how water mentally 'charged' by a healer\n  has a much richer energy field around it than ordinary water...\n\n\nFrom the incredulous side: [MacRobert, Alan, \"Reality shopping; a\nconsumer's guide to new age hokum.\", _Whole Earth Review_, Autumn 1986,\nvNON4 p4(11).  An excellent article providing common-sense guidelines for\nevaluating paranormal claims, and some of the author's favorite examples\nof hokum.]\n\n  The crank usually works in isolation from everyone else in his field of\n  study, making grand discoveries in his basement.  Many paranormal\n  movements can be traced back to such people -- Kirlian photography, for\n  instance.  If you pump high-voltage electricity into anything it will\n  emit glowing sparks, common knowledge to electrical workers and\n  hobbyists for a century.  It took a lone basement crank to declare that\n  the sparks represent some sort of spiritual aura.  In fact, Kirlian\n  photography was subjected to rigorous testing by physicists John O.\n  Pehek, Harry J. Kyler, and David L. Faust, who reported their findings\n  in the October 15, 1976, issue of Science.  Their conclusion: The\n  variations observed in Kirlian photographs are due solely to moisture on\n  the surface of the body and not to mysterious \"auras\" or even\n  necessarily to changes in mood or mental state.  Nevertheless,\n  television shows, magazines, and books (many by famous\n  parapsychologists) continue to promote Kirlian photography as proof of\n  the unknown.\n\n-- \nPeter Kaminski\nkaminski@netcom.com\n","2488":"From: bryan@philips.oz.au (Bryan Ryan)\nOrganization: Philips Public Telecommunications Systems, Melbourne, Australia\nSubject: Re: RAMs &ROMs with ALE latches (for 8051's)\nLines: 28\n\nspp@zabriskie.berkeley.edu (Steve Pope) writes:\n\n>In article <1qg98sINNokf@sheoak.ucnv.edu.au> jeff@redgum.ucnv.edu.au (j. pethybridge) writes:\n>>\tHello again,\n>> I asked this a year ago, but i am still looking.\n>> I am getting sick of having to use a HC373 \n\n>Jeff, just use the damned 373.   Sure, there are oddball\n>latched memory chips, but do you really want to use them?\n\n>Sorry if I'm pedantic but: design your circuit using\n>reasonably available parts, and move on to more important\n>problems.\n\nWe're looking at a series of chips by WSI, the PSD3xx series. They have\n_mega_ address decoding logic on them, various ROM sizes (upto 1Mbit),\nvarious RAM sizes (upto 16 K), and 19 I\/O ports which can be chip select\nlines, I\/O or the buffered address lines.\n\nCute chip, 44 pin PLCC package.\n\nSecond sourcing may be a problem though :-(\n\n\nBryan Ryan, VK3TKX\nMelbourne, Australia\nbryan@philips.oz.au\n\n","2489":"From: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian Dealy - CSC)\nSubject: Re: Monthly Question about XCopyArea() and Expose Events\nOrganization: NASA\/Goddard Space Flight Center\nLines: 43\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: narya.gsfc.nasa.gov\nOriginator: dealy@narya.gsfc.nasa.gov\n\n\n|> (2nd posting of the question that just doesn't seem to get answered)\n|> \n|> Suppose you have an idle app with a realized and mapped Window that contains\n|> Xlib graphics.  A button widget, when pressed, will cause a new item\n|> to be drawn in the Window.  This action clearly should not call XCopyArea() \n|> (or equiv) directly; instead, it should register the existence of the new\n|> item in a memory structure and let the same expose event handler that handles\n|> \"regular\" expose events (e.g. window manager-driven exposures) take care\n|> of rendering the new image.  Using an expose event handler is a \"proper\" way\n|> to do this because at the time the handler is called, the Xlib Window is\n|> guaranteed to be mapped.\n|> \n|> The problem, of course, is that no expose event is generated if the window\n|> is already visible and mapped.  What we need to do is somehow \"tickle\" the\n|> Window so that the expose handler is hit with arguments that will enable\n|> it to render *just* the part of the window that contains the new item.\n|> \n|> What is the best way to tickle a window to produce this behavior?\n\nIf I understand your problem correctly, you want to have a way to send\nexposures to your manager widget when your app-specific code draws xlib\ngraphics on the window.\n\nIt sounds like you might want to send an exposure using\nXSendEvent and specifying a region. If you know the region you need to\nsend the exposure, generally you have the bounding rectangle of the objects,\nyou can use XCreateRegion to create a region, XUnionRectWithRegion to add the\nnew object polygons to the region, and then either use the region\nto clip your GC for the redraw or use XRectInRegion to test which of your\nother objects need to be redrawn. Keeping in mind that the stacking order\nof overlapping objects affects how they look.\n\nHope it helps\n\n-- \nBrian Dealy                |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at  \ndealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov   |            | that's important,it's knowing\n!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy   |            | where it's not at...  B.Dylan\n-- \nBrian Dealy                |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at  \ndealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov   |            | that's important,it's knowing\n!uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy   |            | where it's not at...  B.Dylan\n","2490":"From: carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion)\nSubject: Re: The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA\nLines: 20\nDistribution: ca\nNNTP-Posting-Host: beowulf.jpl.nasa.gov\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.162552.5510@gordian.com> mike@gordian.com (Michael A. Thomas) writes:\n>In article <1qjtmjINNq45@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov>, carlos@beowulf.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (Carlos Carrion) writes:\n>> \tI have come to the conclusion that the TV stations here in LA\n>> \tWANT a riot to happen when the verdict comes in.\n>\n>   Why is this surprising? Then the _Times_ can get a few more\n>Pulitzers the same way they did last year.\n\n\tI suppose ALL media want something to happen, otherwise what would\n\tthey report: that's their job. (duhhh to me!)\n\n\tBut it's not so much surprising that they want a riot as it is amazing\n\thow they carry that desire across in not so subtle ways (at least to\n\tme...)\n\ncarlos.\n\n\"I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position\n assigned to the white race\" - Abraham Lincoln\n      ...ames!elroy!jpl-devvax!{beowulf|pituco}!carlos\n","2491":"From: reedr@cgsvax.claremont.edu\nSubject: Re: proof of resurection\nOrganization: The Claremont Graduate School\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <Apr.23.02.56.33.1993.3165@geneva.rutgers.edu>, andrew@srsune.shlrc.mq.edu.au (Andrew McVeigh) writes:\n\n> The Bible's message is that we are to love all people, and\n> that all people are redeemable.  It preaches a message of\n> repentance, and of giving.  Unfortunately, all people have\n> deceitful hearts, and are capable of turning this message\n> around and contorting it in sometimes unbelievable ways.\n> This is also a fundamental Christian doctrine.\n\nAndrew,\n\n   How I wish this were true, and how I long for the day in which it will\nbe true.  But alas, it is not true of history.  The Bible does not have a \nmessage -- it has messages.  And some of those are messages of repentance and\ngiving, to turn the other cheek, and do unto the least of these.  But some\nof the messages are the complete opposite.  Like the isrealites order to \nwipe out other tribes including women and children down to cattle, and \npunished severely when they were less than complete about the job.  Like\njews who are said to have cried out in Matthew, \"His blood be upon our heads\nand our childrens heads\" A verse quoted in every pogrom from the crusades to\nthe holocaust.  Have these been misunderstood?  I think not.  They have only\nbeen understood too clearly.  It is essential that christians grasp firmly\nthe good the bible teaches, the meek carpenter from Nazareth is a potent \nsymbol for how we should be, his teachings we must take to heart, but we\ncannot ignore the other material in the bible which is not to our liking and\nsay those who live by that have misread it.  To say that is only to chose a\npoint of interpretation and declare it normative.  Such can be done with the\nsame legitmacy by anyone.  Instead we must let the text critique the text.\nUnderstanding that there is both good and bad in our sacred corpus, we test\nall things and hold fast to that which is good. \n> \n> \n> p.s. I believe that a line of questioning like you presented\n> is, strangely enough, compatible with becoming a Christian.\n> Certainly Christianity encourages one to question the behaviour\n> of the world, and especially Christians.  I praise God for\n> Jesus Christ, and the fact that we can doubt our beliefs\n> and still come back to God and be forgiven, time and time\n> again.\n> \n\nAt the risk of sounding heretical (well ok, more heretical) I don't think\nthat doubt is something which requires forgiveness, it is something which\nrequires introspection and reflection.  If that is a sin, then there can\nbe no salvation, for doubt is an inescapble part of being human.  Consider\nJob.  His friends had no doubt. Whereas Job had no doubt in himself but\ndoubted the wisdom and justice of God.  When God finally did appear he \nrebuked the friends and had job make sacrifices for them.  To be a Christian\nit to always have doubt, or not to have honesty.\n\nRandy \n","2492":"From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)\nSubject: Re: The Escrow Database.\nOrganization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5\nLines: 41\n\nPerry E. Metzger (pmetzger@snark.shearson.com) wrote:\n: Here is a disturbing thought.\n....good stuff elided....\n: Don't pretend that no one unauthorized will ever get their hands on\n: the escrow databases.\n: \n.......\n: secret. The escrow databases aren't the sorts of secrets that our\n: teachers told us about, but they are the sort of big secrets they\n: would lump into this category. Imagine trying to replace 100 million\n: Clipper chips.\n\nSounds to me like a *great* gimmick for a replacement market...every\nso often issue a \"Clipper Alert\" announcing that some key backup tapes\nare missing, that some Drug Lords got 'em, whatever. Then the owners\nof these $1200 Clipperphones have to trot down to their local Key\nEscrow Agency and buy new chips and have them programmed.\n\nMicrotoxin, the Clipper supplier, will make a killing...maybe this was\nthe real idea. (Anybody know if Janet Reno has stock in Microtoxin,\nVLSI Technology, or AT&T?)\n\nCould be a good opportunity to undermine this with some\ndisinformation: float rumors that the key database has been stolen.\nAll the chips need replacing. It angers people, undermines confidence\neven more, and kills sales.\n\nAfter the Waco Massacre and the Big Brother Wiretap Chip, any tactic\nis fair.\n\n-Tim May\n\n\n-- \n..........................................................................\nTimothy C. May         | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,  \ntcmay@netcom.com       | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero\n408-688-5409           | knowledge, reputations, information markets, \nW.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA  | black markets, collapse of governments.\nHigher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.\n\n","2493":"From: nave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov (Joe Nave)\nSubject: C=64 SYSTEM FOR SALE - MAKE OFFER...\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory\nDistribution: usa\nLines: 24\n\nFOR SALE:\n\n*** COMPLETE PACKAGE ONLY ***\n\n(1) COMMODORE C64 COMPUTER LIKE NEW IN THE BOX WITH POWER SUPPLY\n    AND OWNERS MANUALS \n(2) COMMODORE 1541C DISK DRIVE LIKE NEW IN THE BOX - AND OWNERS\n    MANUAL\n(3) COMMODORE 1702 COLOR MONITOR LIKE NEW AND OWNERS MANUAL \n(4) PANASONIC KXP-1091 DOT MATRIX PRINTER LIKE NEW AND OWNERS\n    MANUAL\n(5) PRINTER INTERFACE FOR PANASONIC PRINTER\n(6) FASTLOAD CARTRIDGE\n(7) HUGE STACK OF BOOKS ON C-64\/1541 PROGRAMMING\n\n\nMAKE A REASONABLE OFFER AND I'LL THROW IN 300+ DISKS OF SOFTWARE...\n\nPlease reply in e-mail.\n\n-- \nJoachim Nave\t\t\tnave@jato.jpl.nasa.gov\nJet Propulsion Laboratory\nPasadena, California\t\tDISCLAIMER: No, I don't speak for JPL!\n","2494":"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)\nSubject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.\nOrganization: DSI\/USCRPAC\nDistribution: na\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <Apr18.194927.17048@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>\nholland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:\n\n>Note that measures to protect yourself from\n>TEMPEST surveillance are still classified, as far as I know.\n\nI think this to be inaccurate. One can buy TEMPEST equipment commercially.\nEven Macs.\n\nDavid\n-- \nDavid Sternlight         Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n                         our information, errors and omissions excepted.  \n\n\n","2495":"From: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book)\nSubject: Stereo sound problem (?) on mac games\nOrganization: UC San Diego Chemistry\nLines: 62\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: dpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu (Doug P. Book)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: sdchemw2.ucsd.edu\nKeywords: sound stereo, Quadra, 900, PowerBook, 170\n\n\nHi.  I think I have a problem with the stereo sound output on my Quadra\n900, but I am not totally sure because my roomate has the same problem\non his PowerBook 170.  Any info or experience anyopne has would be\ngreatly appreciated.\n\nWhen I hook my Quadra up to my home stereo system, the following types\nof sounds (mono, as far as I can tell) all play fine through BOTH\nspeakers:\n\nsystem beeps  (already provided ones such as Indigo and ones I record)\n\nArmor Alley\nSpectre\nSpaceward Ho!\n\n\nBut, the following games only play out of the left channel:\n\nLemmings\nOut of This World  (awesome game, BTW)\nGlider 4.0\nOIDS\n\n\nBut still, STEREO system beeps do play in stereo, through BOTH speakers.\n(The one I'm specifically referrring to is Apocolyptic Beginning, which\nmy roommate downloaded from some ftp site (sumex?))\n\n\nAll of the symptoms are the same on my rommates 170 (he can't run\nOOTW because he doesn't have color).\n\nWe're both running system 7.1\n\n\n\nDoes anyone with Lemmings or the other three games I mentioned above get\nsound out of both speakers on a Mac II class, Quadra, LC, PowerBook 140 or\ngreater, Centris, SE\/30, etc... (stereo) machine?\n\nI used to have a Mac II, and I sort of rememeber Lemmings playing in\nstereo on that machine, not just on the left channel.  (I could be\nmistaken, though.  If there were a problem with the Quad 900's and PB\n170's, I am wondering why the system beeps still play in stereo?  If there\nisn't a problem with our machines, I wonder why the 4 games above are\napparantly written to support only one channel of stereo when they\ncould just use mono sounds so the mono sound would at least come out of\nboth speakers  (like Spectre, etc. do)?\n\nQuadra 900's and PowerBook 170's have the same ROMS (to my knowledge),\nso maybe this is a ROM problem?  (if so, though, why wouldn't System 7.1\npatch over this problem?)\n\n\n\n\nThanks for any help you can provide!\n\n\nDoug Book\ndpb@sdchemw2.ucsd.edu\n","2496":"From: cs173sbw@sdcc5.ucsd.edu (cs173sbw)\nSubject: RE: How is Cizeta V16T doing?\nLines: 22\nNntp-Posting-Host: sdcc5.ucsd.edu\n\n\n\nIn article <crh.734864478@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de> crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.dbp.de (Christian Huebner) writes:\n>I can remember reading a track competition in some car-magazine, which\n>featured the Testarossa, the Diablo and the V16T. The result was about\n>the same I would have expected: The Cizeta was not only the slowest of\n>the three,  but also dropped out halfway during it's test laps because \n>of smoking brakes. For a sportscar it showed ridiculous performance.\n>\nHm... I find this hard to believe.  V16T weights about the same as\nthe Red Head, but it has hell lot more horse power.  Perhaps it's\ndue to pre-production glitches?  Well, to me, it still got the most\nimposing styling among all the sports cars I have seen.\n\n>Bye...\n>\n>Chris  crh@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de\n>\n>Ferrari F40 - Best sportscar ever built!\nPersonally, I don't like cars that rely on turbo power.  I guess everyone\nhas their favorite car.  \n\n","2497":"From: bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za (Simon Bernstein)\nSubject: BOCA XGA3 woes\nOrganization: University of Natal (Durban), South Africa\nLines: 25\nNNTP-Posting-Host: shrike.und.ac.za\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\n\nHi.  I am having some interesting problems with my Boca graphics card, which \nis based on the Cirrus Logic chipset (I am not sure exactly which one).  The\nproblem is as follows:\n\nIf I use any Windows driver at 800x600 except for the 64K-colour driver (ie\n16 colour or 256 colour), the image on screen becomes too tall - no amount of\nresizing on the monitor will make it fit.  And if I use Excel with the 64K-\ncolour driver, it hangs as soon as it loads.  Anyone out there used this\ncard\/experienced anything similar.\n\nPlease reply by mail, and I will post any solutions here.\n\nRegards\n\n  - Simon\n\n\n--\n\n\n+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+\n|  Simon Bernstein              |    \"Man is condemned to be free\" (Sartre)  |\n|  University of Natal, Durban  +--------------------------------------------+\n|  bernstei@shrike.und.ac.za    |              Simonfish on IRC              |\n+-------------------------------+--------------------------------------------+\n","2498":"From: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler)\nSubject: Re: mouse on COM3 under Windows 3.1 ?\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)\nLines: 34\nReply-To: ak333@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Martin Linsenbigler)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\nIn a previous article, jpaparel@cs.ulowell.edu (Joseph Paparella) says:\n\n>I've pursued and researched this question over the last month or so because I have the same requirements you do......and the long and short of it is that the windows mouse drivers don't accept mice at any but com1 and com2 using irq4 or irq3 unless you buy special drivers from someone who has them.....I've talked to Mouse Systems who say their driver doesn't support other than com1 and com2 as above , but who claim to be releasing one that will SOON!??.\n>\n>The other alternative seems to be possible, but in one case prohibitively expensive, i.e. 4 port card for $600??????!!, and in the other, the author(s) of PowerBBS for Windows claim to have a 4 port serial card with buffered 16550 UARTS and drivers for windows to match (i.e. com3 irq5) for $120......\n>\n>The second paragraph is hearsay, because I haven't checked it out yet.....but intend to as soon as I can free up $120 <g>\n>\n>Hope this will save you some steps.\n>\n>\n\nI had this problem when I first loaded windows.  My I\/O card is for 2 HD's\n2 FD's 1 Parrelel 2 serial (1 for mouse and 1 for my external modem) and\na game port.  PROBLEM enters.  The DARN serial ports have no selection for \nCOM settings, they are stuck on 3 and 4.  \nGood card for HD's and FD's but lousy for serial. \n\nI called Microsoft and other places.  The long and short of it is\nWINDOWS wants com1 and 2 ONLY!, for mouse selection.\nI went out and bought a small I\/O card just for parrelel and serial.\nNow I have ALL 4 active COM ports and LPT1 and LPT2.\nThis Half card was less than $20.\n\nMouse on COM 1  external modem on COM 2,  I disabled the LPT2 so I could use\nthe interupt for my scanner card IRQ.\nC-ya..... \/\\\/\\artin\n \n-- \n  This communication is sent by    \/\\\/\\artin   University of Arizona Tucson\n  =========================================================================\n  ak333@cleveland.freenet.edu   mlinsenb@ccit.arizona.edu  mlinsenb@arizvms\n  DEATH HAS BEEN DEAD FOR ABOUT 2,000 YEARS ****** FOLLOW THE KING OF KINGS\n","2499":"From: mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu (Melissa N. Matusevich)\nSubject: Re: Emphysema question\nOrganization: Virginia's Public Education Network (Radford)\nLines: 13\n\nThanks for all your assistance. I'll see if he can try a\ndifferent brand of patches, although he's tried two brands\nalready. Are there more than two?\n\nMelissa\n\n---\n                        mmatusev@radford.vak12ed.edu\n\n\"After a time you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing\nafter all as wanting. It is not logical, but it is often true.\"\n\nSpock to Stonn\n","2500":"From: fjk6478@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Fred)\nSubject: Re: Luser!\nNntp-Posting-Host: vaxc.isc.rit.edu\nReply-To: fjk6478@ritvax.isc.rit.edu\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology\n\n>\n>Actually, now we have established that I don't believe what you believe, as\n>well as why I don't believe it.  And if it's boring, then I yield the last\n>word to you, if you want it.  You may say anything you like with\n>impunity--I am dropping the subject.\n>\n>--John L. Scott\n\n\n\nHow very kind of you!\n\n\n\n","2501":"From: johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy)\nSubject: Re: HC11 blues -> no can find\nOrganization: Macquarie University\nLines: 38\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au\n\nIn article <pat.734048757@fegmania.wustl.edu>, pat@fegmania (Patrick Niemeyer) writes:\n|> ree88132@zach.fit.edu (Keith Ledig) writes:\n|> \n|> >was told by other people that it just takes a long time.  I heard\n|> >rumors that the HC11 is very hard to get these days and is being\n|> >replaced by the 711 series.  The sales person is trying to push\n|> >the 711.  Can someone please tell me what is going on with these\n|> >microcontrollers.  I can't seem to get a straight answer.\n|> \n|> I too had trouble finding hc11's when I looked for them a while back.\n|> I'd be interesting in hearing if anyone knows about their availability now...\n|> \n|> Thanks,\n|> Pat\n\n\nThe HC711 is an EPROM version of the HC11. Raw HC11 parts have factory set\nROM images, and as such are useless to the hobbyist. HC811 parts have\nEEPROM, allowing for electrical erasure and reprogramming.\n\nSome Motorola parts (such as the HC705K1) have EPROM, making them user\nprogrammable, but come with options of either windowed or sealed. The\nmore expensive windowed packages allow multiple use, the plastic dip\nvarieties are one-time programmable, since there is no way of exposing\nthe EPROM array to light.\n\nJohnH\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n      |  _  |_   _   |_|  _   _|  _|              Electronics Department\n    |_| (_) | | | |  | | (_| (_| (_| \\\/           School of MPCE\n    ---------------------------------\/-           Macquarie University\n                                                  Sydney, AUSTRALIA 2109\n\n    Email: johnh@mpce.mq.edu.au, Ph: +61 2 805 8959, Fax: +61 2 805 8983\n\n----------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2502":"From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)\nSubject: Re: Drinking and Riding\nOrganization: University College of Wales, Aberystwyth\nLines: 11\nNntp-Posting-Host: 144.124.112.30\n\n\nIn article <1993Apr3.200529.2206@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:\n>In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:\n>{drinking & riding}\n>>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after\n>> you \"feel\" sober? What? Or should I just work with \"If I drink tonight, I\n>> don't ride until tomorrow\"?\n\nEven a half a beer will increase your confidence while slugging your reactions\nand judgement - not much maybe, but its hard enough to stay alive out there\nfor any length of time without stacking the odds. I'll not ride after ANY.\n","2503":"From: razor@swix.nvg.unit.no (Runar Jordahl)\nSubject: Re: Help! Need 3-D graphics code\/package for DOS!!!\nOrganization: University of Trondheim, Norway\nLines: 8\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]\n\nN020BA@tamvm1.tamu.edu wrote:\n:     Help!! I need code\/package\/whatever to take 3-D data and turn it into\n: a wireframe surface with hidden lines removed. I'm using a DOS machine, and\n: the code can be in ANSI C or C++, ANSI Fortran or Basic. The data I'm using\n: forms a rectangular grid.\n:    Please post your replies to the net so that others may benefit. IMHO, this\n: is a general interest question.\n:    Thank you!!!!!!\n","2504":"From: db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler)\nSubject: Re: Serbian genocide Work of God?\nOrganization: Freshman, Civil Engineering, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 61\n\nVera Shanti Noyes writes;\n\n>this is what indicates to me that you may believe in predestination.\n>am i correct?  i do not believe in predestination -- i believe we all\n>choose whether or not we will accept God's gift of salvation to us.\n>again, fundamental difference which can't really be resolved.\n\nOf course I believe in Predestination.  It's a very biblical doctrine as\nRomans 8.28-30 shows (among other passages).  Furthermore, the Church\nhas always taught predestination, from the very beginning.  But to say\nthat I believe in Predestination does not mean I do not believe in free\nwill.  Men freely choose the course of their life, which is also\naffected by the grace of God.  However, unlike the Calvinists and\nJansenists, I hold that grace is resistable, otherwise you end up with\nthe idiocy of denying the universal saving will of God (1 Timothy 2.4). \nFor God must give enough grace to all to be saved.  But only the elect,\nwho he foreknew, are predestined and receive the grace of final\nperserverance, which guarantees heaven.  This does not mean that those\nwithout that grace can't be saved, it just means that god foreknew their\nobstinacy and chose not to give it to them, knowing they would not need\nit, as they had freely chosen hell.\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t  ^^^^^^^^^^^\nPeople who are saved are saved by the grace of God, and not by their own\neffort, for it was God who disposed them to Himself, and predestined\nthem to become saints.  But those who perish in everlasting fire perish\nbecause they hardened their heart and chose to perish.  Thus, they were\ndeserving of God;s punishment, as they had rejected their Creator, and\nsinned against the working of the Holy Spirit.\n\n>yes, it is up to God to judge.  but he will only mete out that\n>punishment at the last judgement. \n\nWell, I would hold that as God most certainly gives everybody some\nblessing for what good they have done (even if it was only a little),\nfor those He can't bless in the next life, He blesses in this one.  And\nthose He will not punish in the next life, will be chastised in this one\nor in Purgatory for their sins.  Every sin incurs some temporal\npunishment, thus, God will punish it unless satisfaction is made for it\n(cf. 2 Samuel 12.13-14, David's sin of Adultery and Murder were\nforgiven, but he was still punished with the death of his child.)  And I\nneed not point out the idea of punishment because of God's judgement is\nquite prevelant in the Bible.  Sodom and Gommorrah, Moses barred from\nthe Holy Land, the slaughter of the Cannanites, Annias and Saphira,\nJerusalem in 70 AD, etc.\n\n> if jesus stopped the stoning of an adulterous woman (perhaps this is\nnot a >good parallel, but i'm going to go with it anyway), why should we\nnot >stop the murder and violation of people who may (or may not) be more\n>innocent?\n\nWe should stop the slaughter of the innocent (cf Proverbs 24.11-12), but\ndoes that mean that Christians should support a war in Bosnia with the\nU.S. or even the U.N. involved?  I do not think so, but I am an\nisolationist, and disagree with foreign adventures in general.  But in\nthe case of Bosnia, I frankly see no excuse for us getting militarily\ninvolved, it would not be a \"just war.\"  \"Blessed\" after all, \"are the\npeacemakers\" was what Our Lord said, not the interventionists.  Our\nactions in Bosnia must be for peace, and not for a war which is\nunrelated to anything to justify it for us.\n\nAndy Byler\n","2505":"From: hew@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu\nSubject: Monitor Shut-down on 13\" Hi-Res\nOrganization: Georgetown University\nLines: 11\nSummary: monitor shutoff on 13\" er's\nReply-To: m_torricelli@unhh.unh.edu\nDistribution: world\n\nTHere is a defect in the 13\" hi-res monitors, bring it to a dealer and \nthey will replace the flyback for free, I think.\n\n\n\tI just heard of this problem at work today and we are fixing \nthem for free.\n\n\n\t________________\n\t- \/ o r r\n\n","2506":"From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nSubject: Re: Would \"clipper\" make a good cover for other encryption method?\nOrganization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA  USA\nLines: 17\nDistribution: world\nReply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)\nNNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com\nX-Newsreader: InterCon TCP\/Connect II 1.1\n\nstrnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight) writes:\n> Chances are the government has thought of this, and \"just anyone\" won't \n> be permitted access to enough of the internals to make a \"fake\" clipper \n> chip. \n\nOnce the chips are released (in phones, or whatever), they are vulnerable to \nphsyical inspection and observation.  Now, I will grant that there will no \ndoubt be safeguards against \"peeling\" the chip, but the NSA has no monopoly \non cleverness.  The chip, and the algorithms it uses, will not remain secret \nfor very long.  Any university with a VLSI lab has the required equipment, as \ndoes any offshore semiconductor manufacturer.\n\n\nAmanda Walker\nInterCon Systems Corporation\n\n\n","2507":"From: ray@engr.LaTech.edu (Bill Ray)\nSubject: Re: The Bible and Abortion\nOrganization: Louisiana Tech University\nLines: 38\nDistribution: world,local\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ee02.engr.latech.edu\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\nJames J. Lippard (lippard@skyblu.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote:\n: Exodus 21:22-25:\n\n:        22 And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with\n:           child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further\n:           injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may\n:           demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide.\n:        23 But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint\n:           as a penalty life for life,\n:        24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,\n:        25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.\n\n: The most straightforward interpretation of these verses is that if\n: men in a fight strike a woman and cause her to miscarry, the penalty\n: is only a fine.  If, however, the woman is injured or dies, the\n: *lex talionis* doctrine of \"an eye for an eye\" applies.  This is the\n: Jewish interpretation, and is supported by Jewish commentaries on\n: these verses.\n:    This is quite an embarrassment for pro-lifer Christians, so there is\n: of course an alternate explanation.  The alternative interprets the\n: word \"miscarriage\" to mean \"premature birth\"--i.e., the child is born\n: alive--and \"further injury\" to mean injury to either the woman or\n: the fetus.  This is not a straightforward interpretation, it is not\n: (so far as I know) supported by any Jewish commentaries, and it does\n: not appeared to be supported by any other part of the Bible.\n\nWhat if any, historical reference do we have to abortion at this time?  Did\nthe ancient Jew have appropriate reference to understand abortion? (I am\ntruly asking, not making a point veiled as a question).  If there is \nlittle understanding of the medical procedure we know as abortion, it is\nnot surprising the Bible makes little reference to it, as it makes little\nreference to nuclear power and contamination.\n\nWhile your interpretation is a reasonable one, I see no reason to reject\nthe other out of hand.  The King Jimmy translation says \"if there is no\nfurther mischief.\"  This does not necessarily imply to the woman.  I know\nif my wife we expecting and someone cause her to spontaneously abort, we\nwould feel that a life was truly taken, not simply a process halted.\n","2508":"From: betz@gozer.idbsu.edu (Andrew Betz)\nSubject: Weaver trial update\nNntp-Posting-Host: gozer\nOrganization: SigSauer Fan Club \nLines: 13\n\nI've been running a daily summary of the Randy Weaver\/Kevin\nHarris trial from here in Boise.  These summaries are sent\nprimarily to mailing lists.  However, I was wondering if\npeople would be interested in seeing them here.  Post or\nemail.\n\nDrew \n--\nbetz@gozer.idbsu.edu\n*** brought into your terminal from the free state of idaho ***\n*** when you outlaw rights, only outlaws will have rights   ***\n*** spook fodder: fema, nsa, clinton, gore, insurrection, nsc,\n    semtex, neptunium, terrorist, cia, mi5, mi6, kgb, deuterium\n","2509":"From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)\nSubject: Re: <Political Atheists?\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 76\nNNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu\n\nkcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith \"Justified And Ancient\" Cochran) writes:\n\n>>>How many contridictions do you want to see?\n>>Good question. If I claim something is a general trend, then to disprove this,\n>>I guess you'd have to show that it was not a general trend.\n>No, if you're going to claim something, then it is up to you to prove it.\n>Think \"Cold Fusion\".\n\nWell, I've provided examples to show that the trend was general, and you\n(or others) have provided some counterexamples, mostly ones surrounding\nmating practices, etc.  I don't think that these few cases are enough to\ndisprove the general trend of natural morality.  And, again, the mating\npractices need to be reexamined...\n\n>>Try to find \"immoral\" non-mating-related activities.\n>So you're excluding mating-related-activities from your \"natural morality\"?\n\nNo, but mating practices are a special case.  I'll have to think about it\nsome more.\n\n>>Yes, I think that the natural system can be objectively deduced with the\n>>goal of species propogation in mind.  But, I am not equating the two\n>>as you so think.  That is, an objective system isn't necessarily the\n>>natural one.\n>Are you or are you not the man who wrote:\n>\"A natural moral system is the objective moral system that most animals\n> follow\".\n\nIndeed.  But, while the natural system is objective, all objective systems\nare not the natural one.  So, the terms can not be equated.  The natural\nsystem is a subset of the objective ones.\n\n>Now, since homosexuality has been observed in most animals (including\n>birds and dolphins), are you going to claim that \"most animals\" have\n>the capacity of being immoral?\n\nI don't claim that homosexuality is immoral.  It isn't harmful, although\nit isn't helpful either (to the mating process).  And, when you say that\nhomosexuality is observed in the animal kingdom, don't you mean \"bisexuality?\"\n\n>>>>Because we can't determine to what end we should be \"moral.\"\n>Are you claiming to be a group?  \"We\" usually implies more than one entity.\n\nThis is standard jargon.  Read any textbook.  The \"we\" forms are used\nthroughout.\n\n>>Well, I'm saying that these goals are not inherent.  That is why they must\n>>be postulates, because there is not really a way to determine them\n>>otherwise (although it could be argued that they arise from the natural\n>>goal--but they are somewhat removed).\n>Postulate: To assume; posit.\n\nThat's right.  The goals themselves aren't inherent.\n\n>I can create a theory with a postulate that the Sun revolves around the\n>Earth, that the moon is actually made of green cheese, and the stars are\n>the portions of Angels that intrudes into three-dimensional reality.\n\nYou could, but such would contradict observations.\n\n>I can build a mathematical proof with a postulate that given the length\n>of one side of a triangle, the length of a second side of the triangle, and\n>the degree of angle connecting them, I can determine the length of the\n>third side.\n\nBut a postulate is something that is generally (or always) found to be\ntrue.  I don't think your postulate would be valid.\n\n>Guess which one people are going to be more receptive to.  In order to assume\n>something about your system, you have to be able to show that your postulates\n>work.\n\nYes, and I think the goals of survival and happiness *do* work.  You think\nthey don't?  Or are they not good goals?\n\nkeith\n","2510":"From: tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer)\nSubject: Re: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed \nOrganization: Cornell Univ. CS Dept, Ithaca NY 14853\nDistribution: na\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <C5L6Dn.4uB@andy.bgsu.edu> klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein) writes:\n>fester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:\n>> \n>> I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P\n>> rated Baerga higher, actually.\n>\n>Finally, an objective source.  Alomar's a great player, but so is Baerga.\n>Nice to see the objective source cited rather than \"my dad's bigger than\n>your dad\" posts.\n\nI know.  You have this fucked up idea that anybody who prefers Alomar\nto Baerga must be a Jay-Lover and Indian-Hater.  Sorry, you got that\none wrong!  I hate the Jays and don't care one way or the other about\nthe Indians.  But objectively, Alomar had the better offensive year\nlast year, so I have to pick him.\n\nYou admit T&P as a reliable(?), objective source?  Then you will note\nthat they rated Alomar as the better offensive player, chosing Baerga\nover Alomar only because of his defense.\n\nThat's a joke!  (Alomar might not be a gold-glover, but he's certainly\nno worse than Baerga defensively.)\n\n-Valentine\n","2511":"From: meharg@kits.sfu.ca (Gersham William Meharg)\nSubject: Re: Centris 610 Video Problem - I'm having it also!\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nDistribution: comp\nLines: 16\n\nI also suffer from these video \"artefacts\". My configuration is a\nCentris 610, 4\/160, 1MB VRAM with a NEC 4FG. It only happens at\n832x624, in 8bit colour with virtual memory off during scrolling. This\noccurs when the VRAM SIMMS are installed as well as removed.\nIt seems that the 610 does not like 832x624.\n\nDoes anyone *not* have these problems in the above mentioned\nconditions?\n\n-Gersham Meharg\nSFU Canada.\n\n-- \nGersham Meharg :  meharg@sfu.ca : SFU-Vancouver-Canada\n\n  \n","2512":"From: jackd@sad.hp.com (Jack Dauler)\nSubject: Re: Tires for Ford Ranger Pickup\nOrganization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD\/MWTD\/MID)\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1.4 PL6]\nLines: 3\n\n   I have had good luck with my Ranger and Yokohama 371 S+M tires.\n   The tires have been wearing well and even the few times i have hauled\n   heavy loads they have done well.     \n","2513":"From: gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch)\nSubject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)\nOrganization: GrinchCo\nLines: 29\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: venus.tamu.edu\nSummary: More on failed governments\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41    \n\nIn article <1993Apr18.200255.13012@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...\n>In article <18APR199314034390@venus.tamu.edu> gmw0622@venus.tamu.edu (Mr. Grinch) writes:\n>>In article <1993Apr18.172531.10946@isc-br.isc-br.com>, steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes...\n>>> \n:>:It would seem that a society with a \"failed\" government would be an ideal\n:>:setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented.  Now why do you suppose\n:>:that never seems to occur?...\n:>\n:>\n:>I fail to see why you should feel this way in the first place.  Constant\n:>combat isn't particularly conducive to intellectual theorizing.  Also,\n:>they tend to get invaded before they can come to anything like a stable\n:>society anyway. \n: \n:And the reason that the Soviet Union couldn't achieve the ideal of pure\n:communism was the hostility of surrounding capitalist nations...Uh huh.\n:Somehow, this all sounds familiar.  Once again, utopian dreams are \n:confronted by the real world...\n>Steve Hendricks                        |  DOMAIN:  steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM   \n\n\n\nSteve,  you're the one who suggested that a failed government should be an \nideal proving ground,  I never felt that way in the first place.  Quite the \ncontrary,  I think a better proving ground would be someplace that already\nhad a governemnt that would prevent outright acts of agression,  yet had a\nstrong spirit of individualism and initiative.  Someplace like... Texas :-)\n\nMr. Grinch  \n","2514":"From: atae@spva.ph.ic.ac.uk (Ata Etemadi)\nSubject: Please Ignore [Ideal Operating System (Was: DEATH BLOW TO UNIX)]\nNntp-Posting-Host: prawn.sp.ph\nOrganization: Imperial College of Science, Technology, and Medicine, London, England\nLines: 1\n\nWhoops!! Wrong group. Soooooooooooooooorry folks..\n","2515":"From: mouse@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu (der Mouse)\nSubject: Re: Creating 8 bit windows on 24 bit display.. How?\nOrganization: McGill Research Centre for Intelligent Machines\nLines: 59\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.093209.25719@fwi.uva.nl>, stolk@fwi.uva.nl (Bram) writes:\n\n> I am using an X server that provides 3 visuals: PseudoColor 8 bit,\n> Truecolor 24 bit and DirectColor 24 bit.\n\nLucky dog... :-)\n\n> A problem occurs when I try to create a window with a visual that is\n> different from the visual of the parent (which uses the default\n> visual which is TC24).\n\n> In the Xlib reference guide from 'O reilly one can read in the\n> section about XCteateWindow, something like:\n>     In the current implementation of X11: When using a visual other\n>     than the parent's, be sure to create or find a suitable colourmap\n>     which is to be used in the window attributes when creating, or\n>     else a BadMatch occurs.\n\n> This warning, strangely enough, is only mentioned in the newer\n> editions of the X11R5 guides.\n\nIt applies with equal force to earlier versions.  Presumably only\nrecently did the author(s) decide it was important enough to mention.\nThe necessity it refers to has always been there, but it's been\nimplicit in the way CreateWindow requests default some attributes of\nthe new window.\n\n> However, even if I pass along a suitable colourmap, I still get a\n> BadMatch when I create a window with a non-default visual.\n\n>   attr.colormap = cmap;\n>   win = XCreateWindow(\n[...]\n>           CopyFromParent,       \/* border width *\/\n>           8,                    \/* depth *\/\n>           InputOutput,          \/* class *\/\n>           vinfo.visual,         \/* visual *\/\n>           CWColormap,\n>           &attr\n>         );\n\nThis is because the warning you read is incomplete.  You have to\nprovide not only a colormap but also a border.  The default border is\nCopyFromParent, which is not valid when the window's depth doesn't\nmatch its parent's.  Specify a border-pixmap of the correct depth, or a\nborder-pixel, and the problem should go away.\n\nThere is another problem: I can't find anything to indicate that\nCopyFromParent makes any sense as the border_width parameter to\nXCreateWindow.  Your Xlib implementation probably defines\nCopyFromParent as zero, to simplify the conversion to wire format, so\nyou are unwittingly asking for a border width of zero, due to the Xlib\nimplementation not providing stricter type-checking.  (To be fair, I'm\nnot entirely certain it's possible for Xlib to catch this.)\n\n\t\t\t\t\tder Mouse\n\n\t\t\t\tmouse@mcrcim.mcgill.edu\n","2516":"From: erikb@idt.unit.no (Erik Brenn)\nSubject: graphics formats\nReply-To: erikb@idt.unit.no (Erik Brenn)\nOrganization: Norwegian Institue of Technology\nLines: 14\n\nI'm currently looking for information about different graphics\nformats, especially PPM, PCX BMP and perhaps GIF.\nDoes anyone know if there exist any files at some site\nthat describes these formats ???\n\nThanks !\n\n\n-- \n          ~~~                       \n         (o o)           | Erik Brenn ,email: erikb@idt.unit.no\n        (  O  )   oOOO   | Faculty of Computer Science & Telematics\n         \\\\_\/\/    \/ \/    | The Norwegian Institute of Technology, Trondheim\n-oOOO--------------------| Not to make sense, just cents ! \n","2517":"From: roney@selkirk.sfu.ca (Chris J. Roney)\nSubject: Re: div. and conf. names\nOrganization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada\nDistribution: na\nLines: 33\n\nepritcha@s.psych.uiuc.edu ( Evan Pritchard) writes:\n\n\n>\tNo, I would not want to see a Ballard division.  But to say\n>that these owners are assholes, hence all NHL management people are\n>assholes would be fallacious.  Conn Smythe, for example, was a classy\n>individual (from what I have heard). \n\n     Depends on what you mean by classy. From what I've heard about\nhim, he was about as classy as Harold Ballard.  Only difference was\nthat back then almost all the owners were like that, so he seemed okay\nby comparison.  Read the book \"Net Worth\" for one view of what Smythe\n(and Norris and Adams and Campbell) were like. \n\n>\tAlso, isn't the point of \"professional\" hockey to make money\n>for all those involved, which would include the players.  What I think\n>you might be saying is that the players have not made as much money as\n>should have been their due, and it is the players that are what make\n>the game great not the people who put them on the ice, so naming\n>division after management people rather than players is adding insult\n>(in the form of lesser recognition) to injury (less money than was\n>deserved).   \n\n\n     Even more specifically, I think what Roger was saying (and I said\nit previously too) is that these are NOT the people who made the\nleague great, so why should divisions, conferences etc. be named after\nthem instead of Morenz, Vezina, Howe, Orr etc., the people who DID\nmake it great.  Instead, the NHL has chosen to immortalize the men who\ngot rich off of the men who made the game great.  \n\n-- \nChris Roney  (e-mail chris_roney@sfu.ca)\n","2518":"From: roger@crux.Princeton.EDU (Roger Lustig)\nSubject: Re: New Home for the Bosox!!!\nOriginator: news@nimaster\nNntp-Posting-Host: crux.princeton.edu\nReply-To: roger@astro.princeton.edu (Roger Lustig)\nOrganization: Princeton University\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.132741.11322@scott.skidmore.edu> jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes:\n\n>> I agree, though I'd also be happy with a stadium that looks\n>> like new Comiskey. The new park was also made for baseball.\n>> Unlike Three Rivers, the Vet, Riverfront, etc., it's not a\n>> football park in which they also play baseball.\n\n>While we're on the multipurpose subject, let's not forget Shea, which\n>was designed to accommodate both the Mets & Jets.  It was the first\n>stadium (I think) to have the box seats on rollers so they could be\n>oriented at right angles for baseball & in parallel for football.\n\nNot the first.  RFK, olim DC Stadium, was built 2 years earlier.\nNowadays they don't move the seats back for the few exhibition\ngames; but the 3rd-base\/LF lower deck used to move.  It was all \nmetal, which was pretty noisy on Bat Day.\n\n>Of course, with the Jets gone to Jersey (and a truly good football\n>stadium), the Mets are saddled with a multipurpose stadium where,\n>because it's circular, the seats are almost always too far from the\n>action.  The Mets announcers--Kiner & Murphy in particular--have\n>always hyped it as \"beautiful Shea\n>Stadium,\" a tipoff to how unbeautiful it truly is.\n\nIt's vastly better than it was before they fixed it, though.  Back in\nthe late 70's it was a *dump*.\n\nRoger (don't you*like* jet noise?)\n\n\n","2519":"From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)\nSubject: Re: Solar battery chargers -- any good?\nNntp-Posting-Host: photon.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu\nOrganization: The Ohio State University\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.061736.8785@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> robert@Xenon.Stanf\nord.EDU (Robert Kennedy) writes:\n>I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any\n>guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them\n>with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a\n>person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use\n>it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)?\n>\n>    -- Robert Kennedy\n\nI have a cheap solar charger that I keep in my car.  I purchased it via\nsome mail order catalog when the 4 year old battery in my Oldsmobile would\nrun down during Summer when I was riding my bike more than driving my car.\nKnowing I'd be selling the car in a year or so, I purchased the charger.\nBelieve it or not, the thing worked.  The battery held a charge and\nenergetically started the car, many times after 4 or 5 weeks of just\nsitting.\n\nEventually I had to purchase a new battery anyway because the Winter sun\nwasn't strong enough due to its low angle.\n\nI think I paid $29 or $30 for the charger.  There are more powerful, more\nexpensive ones, but I purchased the cheapest one I could find.\n\nI've never used it on the bike because I have an E-Z Charger on it and\nkeep it plugged in all the time the bike is garaged.\n\nArnie Skurow\n","2520":"From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)\nSubject: Re: Drinking and Riding (eww, gross)\nOrganization: Ontario Hydro - Research Division\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <MJMUISE.38.733926270@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes:\n>\n>1 hr\/drink for the first 4 drinks.\n>1.5 hours\/drink for the next 6 drinks.\n>2 hours\/drink for the rest.\n\nIn my case it goes down after the first four, because the fifth one usually\nmakes me throw up the last two.\n\nNeedless to say, I don't drink very much anymore, as the last time that\nhappened was in the second year of my undergrad. I was a silly .edu breath,\nand pretty bad breath at that.\n\nI've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV\n     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca\n                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada\n","2521":"From: catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu (Tony Catone)\nSubject: Re: 17\" Monitors\n\t<C5GEH5.n1D@utdallas.edu>\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania\nLines: 14\nNntp-Posting-Host: compstat.wharton.upenn.edu\nIn-reply-to: goyal@utdallas.edu's message of 14 Apr 93 03:17:28 GMT\n\nIn article <C5GEH5.n1D@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:\n\n   Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a\n   high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony\n   1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from.  It\n   is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic\n   image, and the large image size, etc, etc...\n\nIt's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third\ndown, the other two thirds down) come from.\n\n\n- Tony\n  catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu\n","2522":"From: ari@leland.Stanford.EDU (Ari Ollikainen)\nSubject: Re: 5W30, 10W40, or 20W50\nArticle-I.D.: morrow.1psg9cINNn86\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA\nLines: 20\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mordor.stanford.edu\n\nIn article <jgladu-060493121851@128.249.27.63> jgladu@bcm.tmc.edu (grungy\/John F. Gladu) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr6.130550.13550@cs.tulane.edu>,\n>finnegan@invader.navo.navy.mil (Kenneth Finnegan) wrote:\n>> \n>> As an additional data point, I have run Castrol 20W50 exclusively\n>> in the following cars: 75 Rabbit, 78 Scirocco, 76 Rabbit, 78 Bus,\n>> 70 Beetle, 76 Bus, 86 Jetta GLI.  I've never had an oil-related\n>> problem.\n>\n>Add mine to that list:  '71,'72 SuperBeetles; '68,'69 Bugs; '61 dddPanel;\n>(cringe) '87 Toyota Tercel (It's my WIFE's car, honest:-).  I'm still\n>chicken about running it in the '90 Vanagon - that's got Castrol 10W40 in\n>it.\n\nI don't understand this last statement about the '90Vanagon...Our '90Vanagon\nOwner's Manual RECOMMENDS 20W50 !!\n\nAri Ollikainen(former VW fanatic: 62Bug, 62Bug+Porschepower, 64.5Porsche356SC,\n68BugAuto-Stick, 69Camper, 71Camper, 73Westfalia, 73VWPorsche914\/2.0,\n81Westfalia, 85Vanagon, 85Westfalia...and now only 90VanagonCarat)\n","2523":"From: envbvs@epb11.lbl.gov (Brian V. Smith)\nSubject: Re: I need source for splines\nArticle-I.D.: dog.30237\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: lbl\nLines: 21\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 128.3.12.123\n\nIn article <1ppvhtINN814@fmsrl7.srl.ford.com>, glang@slee01.srl.ford.com (Gordon Lang) writes:\n|> In the Xlib Programming Manual (O'Rielly Associates) it is pointed out\n|> that routines for drawing splines is not included in Xlib, but extensions\n|> are publicly available.  I need spline routines which work within the X\n|> environment.\n|> \n|> I have previously posted a similar request and got two responses, both\n|> directing me to the Interviews package at interviews.stanford.edu.  I\n|> got it, but it is too much.  It looks like too much work to try to\n|> identify, extract and modify relevant components.  I am looking for\n|> code that is not encumbered by a complex and extensive framework which\n|> is beyond our needs.  We just need the spline \"extensions\" to the Xlib.\n\nLook in xfig.  It has two types of spline algorithms and is relatively simple.\nXfig is available from export.lcs.mit.edu in\n\/contrib\/R5fixes\/xfig-patches\/xfig.2.1.6.tar.Z\n\n-- \nBrian V. Smith    (bvsmith@lbl.gov)\nLawrence Berkeley Laboratory\nI don't speak for LBL; they don't pay me enough for that.\n","2524":"Organization: University of Notre Dame - Office of Univ. Computing\nFrom: <RVESTERM@vma.cc.nd.edu>\nSubject: Re: Juggling Dodgers\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <mssC5Mx2v.C44@netcom.com>, mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) says:\n>\n>Lasorda juggled his lineup against the Pirates Friday night, and from\n>the results one might conclude that he will stick with the changes\n>for a while.\n>\n>Butler          reclaimed leadoff spot, probably for the whole season\n>Davis           wants to get his speed into play.  4-for-4 last night\n>Piazza          the kid is doing *everything* well.  very well.\n>Strawberry      the primadonna insists on batting cleanup\n\nhow do you know this? did lasorda say, before the game, \"here's the\nlineup i'm using.  i'm batting strawman fourth because the primadonna\ninsists on batting cleanup\"?\n\nif this is true (note that i don't think it is), lasorda should be\nfired for at least two reasons:\n\n         1) publicly humiliating his players;\n         2) knuckling under to his players wishes.\n\nhowever, i think that the more likely explanation is that lasorda\nwanted strawberry to bat fourth, and that you hate strawberry.\n\nbob vesterman.\n\n","2525":"From: marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson)\nSubject: Re: ASTROS FOR REAL?\nOrganization: IBM, Austin\nLines: 29\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.234838.4138@ccsvax.sfasu.edu> z_millerwl@ccsvax.sfasu.edu writes:\n>WHO THINKS THE ASTROS ARE GOING PLACES???\n>THEY'RE CURRENTLY FIRST PLACE.\n>THEY'RE 5-4, 5-1 ON THE ROAD! \n\nI AGREE, LUMBERJACK (except that they're in 2nd)!  They ARE going PLACES -\nSan Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Cincinnati, Denver, Atlanta, Miami,\nPhiladelphia, New York, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Chicago, St. Louis...and\npoints in between.  :-)\n\nBut,\nTHEY'RE 0-3 AT HOME!\n\nI'm just not used to an overly enthusiastic Houston fan.  I really shouldn't\ndiscourage it, so HANG IN THERE, LUMBERJACK!  (But, get ahold of that shift\nkey, will ya?)\n\nObBase:  Apparently the new owner (Drayton McLain (sp?)) doesn't particularly\nlike excuses.  An item in our paper (the Austin American-Statesman - \"If you\nread it here, it was somewhere else first\") said that he wouldn't take \ninjuries as an excuse for losing because that possibility should have been\naccounted for.  Uh, oh.  I don't want an owner that'll keep everybody on\nedge - I'd never gotten that feeling about him, but who knows?  Does \nanybody down there in the Houston area have a feel for how meddling of an\nowner McLain is going to be?\n-- \nMarc Stephenson\t           IBM AWS (Advanced Workstations & Systems - Austin,TX)\nDISCLAIMER: The content of this posting is independent of official IBM position.\nINTERNET->marc@austin.ibm.com      VNET: MARC at AUSVMQ        IBM T\/L: 678-3189\n","2526":"From: hodgen@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (Wayne Hodgen)\nSubject: Re: Weitek P9000 Future Plans\nOrganization: Uni Koblenz, Germany.\nLines: 48\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ozzy.uni-koblenz.de\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.000531.25096@jetsun.weitek.COM> robert@weitek.COM (Robert Plamondon) writes:\n>In article <1q0n5pINN60m@uniko.uni-koblenz.de> hodgen@ozzy.uni-koblenz.de (Wayne Hodgen) writes:\n>\n>>To sum up, when an accelerated board with 4MB VRAM (True Colour 1280x1024)\n>>AND A FAST VGA SIDE is available under $500, I will buy one.\n>\n>Me too!\n>\n>What's funny is, when we really CAN buy such a product, it probably won't\n>seem as mouth-watering as it does today.  \"What? No holograms? Get outta\n>here!\"\n\nI can wait 'cos I've already got an accelerated card. It does 1280x1024 but\nonly 16 colour. You may mock me, but such cards will be here quickly enough.\n\n>One of the odd things about the computer industry is that, since you can\n>always wait and get something better, some people wait forever.  I know\n>people who have deferred updating their original IBM PC for a decade,\n>because every time they look at what's available, they see something better\n>coming down the road.  I know people who've dumped their PCs into the\n>garage, but haven't replaced them, because they're afraid it isn't \"the\n>right time to buy.\"  They just gave up using computers.\n\nI only wait when the difference between my current system and the new stuff\nis big enough to warrant changing. For instance, I'll be upgrading my 486 33\nto a 486DX-2 66 EISA, VLB board RSN. The performance difference (under Linux)\nis great enough to be worthwhile. At the same time I'll be buying a new\ngraphic card and new SCSI controller. I'll be buying an S3 card 'cos they're\nfast enough, I have X11 drivers for them and it'll have 2MB VRAM just like\na Weitek 9000 card. It will also be MUCH cheaper. When affordable 4MB cards\narrive, I'll buy one.\n\n>Personally, my system at home needs a new disk subsystem, a much\n>larger monitor, a super-fast graphics board by you-know-who, a new\n>CPU board -- I probably won't keep much more than the case and the\n>mouse.  Come to think of it, I don't like that mouse very much.  So\n>when will I buy?  When my dream products hit the market? NO WAY!  I'm\n>gonna buy as soon as I have the MONEY!\n\nOver the last year I've done much the same. But now I need a 19\" monitor, more\nmemory (20MB just ain't enough), a GB disk (1.2GB and no space left...). Oh\nwell, stay single, don't smoke and you may afford it this year ;-)\n\n-- \nWayne Hodgen  | hodgen@infko.uni-koblenz.de | Opinions (c) Me 1991   | Intel SX\nUni Koblenz,  | (..!unido!infko!hodgen)     | Keeper of the Scrolls, |  Just\nRheinau 3-4,  | Voice: +49 261 9119-645     | Defender of the Net,   |   say\n5400 Koblenz. | Fax:   +49 261 9119-499     | His name is \"root\".    |    NO!!!\n","2527":"Subject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!!\nFrom: mafifi@eis.calstate.edu (Marc A Afifi)\nOrganization: Calif State Univ\/Electronic Information Services\nLines: 43\n\nstssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes:\n> Even the most extemist, one sided (jewish\/israeli) postings (with which I \n> certainly disagree), did not openly back plain murder. You do.\n> \n> The 'Lebanese resistance' you are talking about is a bunch of lebanese \n> farmers who detonate bombs after work, or is an organized entity of not-\n> only-lebanese well trained mercenaries ? I do not know, just curious.\n> \n> I guess you also back the killings of hundreds of marines in Beirut, right?\n> \n> What kind of 'resistance' movement killed jewish attlets in Munich 1972 ?\n> \n> You liked it, didn't you ?\n> \n> \n> You posted some other garbage before, so at least you seem to be consistent.\n> \n> Dorin\n\nDorin,\nLet's not forget that the soldiers were killed not murdered. The\ndistinction is not trivial. Murder happens to innocent people, not people\nwhose line of work is to kill or be killed. It just so happened that these\nsoldiers, in the line of duty, were killed by the opposition. And\nresistance is different from terrorism. Certainly the athletes in Munich\nwere victims of terrorists (though some might call them freedom fighters).\nTheir deaths cannot be compared to those of soldiers who are killed by\nresistance fighters. Don't forget that it was the French Resistance to the\nNazi occupying forces which eventually succeeded in driving out the\nhostile occupiers in WWII. Diplomacy has not worked with Israel and the\nLebanese people are tired of being occupied! They are now turning to the\nonly option they see as viable. (Don't forget that it worked in driving\nout the US)\n\n-marc\n\n\n--\n______________________________________________________________________________\nSome people are so narrow minded they can see through a crack in a door with\nboth eyes. \nMy opinions should be yours. My employer has no opinions.\n______________________________________________________________________________\n","2528":"From: cyberman@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Cyberman)\nSubject: Re: what to do with old 2\nLines: 19\nX-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r\n\n{Kris Gleason} said\n   \"Re: what to do with old 2\"\n      to <All> on 04-15-93  11:02\n KG> Yeah... keychains.  I have seen 64K simms with a silver \n KG> keyring attached, big seller at the computer store.  I'm\n KG> sure you could find a bunch of geeks^H^H^H^H^H^H computer\n KG> science majors around that would buy them for $10.  Maybe\n KG> $15, if you're lucky.\n\n    Untrue they would check JDR first and say 5.  That's how much\n    they are worth AT MOST.  My guess is they are worth 1 buck\n    a peice.\n\n                Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US\n             Mangled on Sat  04-17-1993  at 20:26:37\n\n... This tagline is a duplicate.   This tagline is a duplicate.\n___ Blue Wave\/QWK v2.12\n                                                                     \n","2529":"From: blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca (Jason Blakey)\nSubject: Site for projects\nNntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca\nOrganization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada\nLines: 6\n\n\tDoes anyone out there know of any ftp sites which deal with \nelectronics projects, plans, etc?  Any response appreciated.:)\nJB\n-- \n ............................................................................ \n                      Jason Blakey -> blakey@ug.cs.dal.ca \n","2530":"From: 9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au (The Desert Brat)\nSubject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster?\nOrganization: Cured, discharged\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <1pa0f4INNpit@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:\n\n> But really, are you threatened by the motto, or by the people that use it?\n\nEvery time somone writes something and says it is merely describing the norm,\nit is infact re-inforcing that norm upon those programmed not to think for\nthemselves. The motto is dangerous in itself, it tells the world that every\n*true* American is god-fearing, and puts down those who do not fear gods. It\ndoesn't need anyone to make it dangerous, it does a good job itself by just\nexisting on your currency.\n\n> keith\n\nThe Desert Brat\n-- \nJohn J McVey, Elc&Eltnc Eng, Whyalla, Uni S Australia,    ________\n9051467f@levels.unisa.edu.au      T.S.A.K.C.            \\\/Darwin o\\\nFor replies, mail to whjjm@wh.whyalla.unisa.edu.au      \/\\________\/\nDisclaimer: Unisa hates my opinions.                       bb  bb\n+------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+\n|\"It doesn't make a rainbow any less beautiful that we | \"God's name is smack  |\n|understand the refractive mechanisms that chance to   | for some.\"            |\n|produce it.\" - Jim Perry, perry@dsinc.com             |    - Alice In Chains  |\n+------------------------------------------------------+-----------------------+\n","2531":"From: nataraja@rtsg.mot.com (Kumaravel Natarajan)\nSubject: Dirty Diesels?\nNntp-Posting-Host: opal12\nOrganization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group\nDistribution: na\nLines: 17\n\nI heard the diesels are considered cleaner-burning than\ngas engines because the emit less of: Carbon Monoxide,\nHydrocarbons, and Oxides of Nitrogen.  (CO, HC, NOX).\n\nBut they can put out a lot of particulate matter.  I heard\nsomething about legislation being discussed to \"clean up\ndiesel emissions\".  Is there anything in the works to\ninstall \"scrubbers\" for diesels?  How about the feasibility\nof installing them on trucks and cars?  Would it be any\ndifferent than a catylitic converter?  I'd assume easier,\nsince we're removing particulate matter instead of converting\ngasses.  Let's hear people's opinions...\n\n-- \n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n-- Vel Natarajan  nataraja@rtsg.mot.com  Motorola Cellular, Arlington Hts IL  --\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2532":"From: rwang@gmuvax2.gmu.edu (John Wang)\nSubject: More Cool BMP files??\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA\nLines: 13\n\nHi, everybody:\n    I guess my subject has said it all.  It is getting boring\nlooking at those same old bmp files that came with Windows.  So,\nI am wondering if there is any body has some beautiful bmp file\nI can share.  Or maybe somebody can tell me some ftp site for\nsome bmp files, like some scenery files, some animals files,\netc....  I used to have some, unfortunately i delete them all.\n\nAnyway could me give me some help, please???\n\nthanks a lot!\n\njohn\n","2533":"From: emarsh@hernes-sun.Eng.Sun.COM (Eric Marsh)\nSubject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is\nOrganization: Sun\nLines: 14\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hernes-sun\n\nIn article <C5Hr14.Jxw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lis450bw@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (lis450 Student) writes:\n>My definition of objective would be absolute, or fixed, rather than\n> \n>  subjective, or varying and changing.\n>\n\nLets see what the dictionary has to say:\n\nobjective adj. 1. As having to do with a material object as distinguished\nfrom a mental concept. 2. Having actual existance. 3.a. Uninfluenced\nby emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on observable phenomenon.\n\neric\n\n","2534":"From: jkatz@access.digex.com (Jordan Katz)\nSubject: U.S. Space Foundation Speech\nOrganization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA\nLines: 94\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net\n\n\n                          Speech by Pete Worden\n                                    \n          Delivered Before the U.S. Space Foundation Conference\n                                    \n                       Colorado Springs, Colorado\n                                    \n                             April 15, 1993\n\n\n     What a delightful opportunity to cause some trouble.  For\nproviding me this forum I would sincerely like to thank the U.S.\nSpace Foundation.  My topic today is the Single Stage Rocket\nTechnology rocket or SSRT.  By I intend to speak of more.  How to\nlower the cost and make rapid progress.  SSRT is to my mind --\nand I hope to convince you -- the erupting a new rallying cry for\nour generation in space -- Faster, Cheaper, and Better.\n\n     Faster, Cheaper, Better and SSRT represent the passing of a\ntorch from one technical generation to another.  It is a new\nthing to be sure -- but it is also a relearning of old things\nfrom past masters.\n\n     When we rolled out the SSRT baby two weeks ago, so called\nexperts told us it violates the laws of physics -- it made no\nsense.  For example, Dr. Eberhart Rachtin - former president of\nthe Aerospace Corp., said of SSRT in the L.A. Times that it,\n\"defies the best principles of launching payloads into space.\" \nWell Dr. Rachtin -- you've made us mad!  What are these\nprinciples that SSRT defies?\n\n     Well I'll tell you.  It violates the principle that you need\na giant program office to build space hardware.  It violates the\n\"fact\" that it takes 20 years to build something new.  And it\nviolates the truism that you cant do anything significant for\nless than many billions of dollars.\n\n     It took some of the last generation's experts to teach us\nsome new\/old lessons.  Werhner Von Braun's first rocket was not a\nSaturn V.  General Schriever's ICBM's didn't take ten years to\ndemonstrate.  And the X-1 airplane didn't cost $1 billion.\n\n     It took one of the great engineers of the 1950's to remind\nus of these truths -- Max Hunter.  Max, to remind you, was a\nsenior engineer in the Thor IRBM program, and old faster, better,\ncheaper success story.  Max has been persistent in a vision of a\nsingle stage reusable space launch system since the 1960's. \nBecause he knew it had to be done in affordable steps - Build a\nlittle, Test a little.\n\n     Next he persuaded us to do a technology demonstration.  We\ndidn't solicit a bunch of requirements -- they'd just change\nevery few years anyway.  [ not included in the speech -- The\nALS\/NLS has such ephemeral requirements that it would better\nknown as \"Shape Shifter\" than \"Space Lifter.\"  We didn't spend a\nlot money -- this X-Rocket only cost $60 million.  When's the\nlast time we even built a new airplane for that?  And it didn't\ntake a lot of time to build -- McDonnell Douglas completed it in\n18 months.  Finally, the government program office consisted of\none very over-worked Air Force Major -- motivated in part by the\nthreat that he'd get to ride on it in a strapped-on lawn chair if\nit ran over cost or schedule.\n\n     As I described what SSRT is -- and isn't keep in mind its\nonly a first step.  There are several more steps -- and steps\nthat can easily fail -- before the U.S. can field an SSTO.  But\neach step should follow the same principles -- a small management\nteam -- a few years technology demonstration -- and a modest\nbudget.\n\n     Let me show a few details on SSRT and how it might evolve:\n(See charts)\n\n     I'm embarrassed when my generation is compared with the last\ngeneration -- the giants of the last great space era, the 1950's\nand 1960's.  They went to the moon - we built a telescope that\ncan't see straight.  They soft-landed on Mars - the least we\ncould do is soft-land on Earth!\n\n     But we do have an answer.  We can follow their build a\nlittle, test a little philosophy to produce a truly affordable\nand routine access to space.  I know there are nay sayers among\nyou -- those who say SSRT is a stunt.  It needs more thermal\nprotection, the engines are wrong, it would be better to land\nhorizontally, etc, etc.\n\n     I say to you -- we'll see you at White Sands in June.  You\nbring your view-graphs, and I'll bring my rocketship.  If we do\nwhat we say we can do, then you let us do the next step.  [ not\nincluded in the speech:  If we fail -- you still have your\nprogram offices, staff summary sheets, requirement analyses, and\ndecade long programs.]\n\n     I bet on my generation and Max Hunter's idea -- Any Takers?\n","2535":"From: T. Kephart <kephart@snowhite.eeap.cwru.edu>\nSubject: Re: LCIII problems (sideways HD's)\nOrganization: Case School of Engineering\nLines: 27\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: b62182.student.cwru.edu\nX-UserAgent: Nuntius v1.1.1d20\nX-XXMessage-ID: <A7F445923701F2E6@b62182.student.cwru.edu>\nX-XXDate: Fri, 16 Apr 93 11:14:26 GMT\n\nIn article <1qmgjk$ao5@menudo.uh.edu> , sunnyt@coding.bchs.uh.edu writes:\n> \tIts not a good idea to have a horizontally formatted hard disk in a  \n> vertical position.  If the drive is formatted in a horizontal position,\nit can  \n> not completely compensate for the gravitational pull in a vertical\nposition.   \n> I'm not saying that your hard disk will fail tomorrow or 6 months from\nnow, but  \n> why take that chance?  If you want more detailed info on the problem,\nplease  \n> mail me at:===> sunnyt@dna.bchs.uh.edu <===.  \n> \n\nSunny,\n\nI asked this question a while ago while contemplating placing my 650 on \nit's side.  I received a response from someone at Seagate (Sorry I \ntrashed the message) stating that most newer drives (Seagates at the \nleast) can very well compensate for gravity.  This means that a \nhorizontally formatted drive can be later placed vertically with no data \nintegrity problems.  The only way that newer drives cannot work is if you \nhave varying forces (shaking, bouncing, etc) so don't place the drive on \nit's side on a rocking chair :).  What constitutes a 'newer' drive I \ndon't know, try calling your drive manufacturer.  I have a Quantum LP240S \ninternal, and since I got it a month ago, I am guessing it's 'newer'.\n\n-t\n","2536":"From: brands@cwi.nl (Stefan Brands)\nSubject: * REPORT ON PRIVACY-PROTECTING OFF-LINE CASH AVAILABLE *\nOrganization: CWI, Amsterdam\nLines: 60\n\nI recently published a new privacy-protecting off-line electronic cash\nsystem as a technical report at CWI. Being a PhD-student at David\nChaum's cryptography-group, our group has a long history in research\nin the field of privacy-protecting cash systems.\n\nThe report is called CS-R9323.ps.Z, contains 77 pages, and can be\nretrieved from\n\nftp.cwi.nl   (192.16.184.180)\n\nfrom the directory pub\/CWIreports\/AA.\nThe postscript-file is suitable for 300dpi laserprinters.\n\n====================================================================\nABSTRACT (from coverpage): We present a new off-line electronic cash\nsystem based on a problem, called the representation problem, of which\nlittle use has been made in literature thus far. Our system is the\nfirst to be based entirely on discrete logarithms.  Using the\nrepresentation problem as a basic concept, some techniques are\nintroduced that enable us to construct protocols for withdrawal and\npayment that do not use the cut and choose methodology of earlier\nsystems. As a consequence, our cash system is much more efficient in\nboth computation and communication complexity than any such system\nproposed previously.\n  \nAnother important aspect of our system concerns its provability.\nContrary to previously proposed systems, its correctness can be\nmathematically proven to a very great extent. Specifically, if we\nmake one plausible assumption concerning a single hash-function, the\nability to break the system seems to imply that one can break the\nDiffie-Hellman problem. \n  \nOur system offers a number of extensions that are hard to achieve in\npreviously known systems. In our opinion the most interesting of these\nis that the entire cash system (including all the extensions) can be\nincorporated in a setting based on wallets with observers, which has\nthe important advantage that double-spending can be prevented in the\nfirst place, rather than detecting the identity of a double-spender\nafter the fact. In particular, it can be incorporated even under the\nmost stringent requirements conceivable about the privacy of the user,\nwhich seems to be impossible to do with previously proposed systems.\nAnother benefit of our system is that framing attempts by a bank have\nnegligible probability of success (independent of computing power) by\na simple mechanism from within the system, which is something that\nprevious solutions lack entirely. Furthermore, the basic cash system\ncan be extended to checks, multi-show cash and divisibility, while\nretaining its computational efficiency.\n====================================================================\n\nCryptographers are challenged to try to break this system!  \n\nI made a particular effort to keep the report as self-contained as\npossible.  Nevertheless, if you have any questions, please e-mail to\nme and I will try to reply as good as I can. Any comments are also\nwelcome!\n\nStefan Brands, \n--------------------------------------------------------\nCWI, Kruislaan 413, 1098 SJ Amsterdam, The Netherlands \nTel: +31 20 5924103, e-mail: brands@cwi.nl  \n","2537":"From: I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau)\nSubject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses\nOrganization: Technical University Braunschweig, Germany\nLines: 114\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.091139.823@batman.bmd.trw.com>\njbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:\n \n>> Didn't you say Lucifer was created with a perfect nature?\n>\n>Yes.\n>\n \nDefine perfect then.\n \n \n>> I think you\n>> are playing the usual game here, make sweeping statements like omni-,\n>> holy, or perfect, and don't note that they mean exactly what they say.\n>> And that says that you must not use this terms when it leads to\n>> contradictions.\n>\n>I'm not trying to play games here.  But I understand how it might seem\n>that way especially when one is coming from a completely different point\n>of view such as atheism.\n>\n \nTake your foot out of your mouth, I wondered about that already when I\nwas a Catholic Christian. The fact that the contradiction is unresolvable\nis one of the reasons why I am an atheist.\n \nBelieve me, I believed similar sentences for a long time. But that shows\nthe power of religion and not anything about its claims.\n \n \n>>>Now God could have prevented Lucifer's fall by taking away his ability\n>>>to choose between moral alternatives (worship God or worship himself),\n>>>but that would mean that God was in error to have make Lucifer or any\n>>>being with free will in the first place.\n>>\n>> Exactly. God allows evil, an evil if there ever was one.\n>>\n>\n>Now that's an opinion, or at best a premise.  But from my point of view,\n>it is not a premise which is necessary true, specifically, that it is\n>an evil to allow evil to occur.\n>\n \nIt follows from a definition of evil as ordinarily used. Letting evil\nhappen or allowing evil to take place, in this place even causing evil,\nis another evil.\n \n \n>> But could you give a definition of free will? Especially in the\n>> presence of an omniscient being?\n>>\n>\"Will\" is \"self-determination\".  In other words, God created conscious\n>beings who have the ability to choose between moral choices independently\n>of God.  All \"will\", therefore, is \"free will\".\n>\n \nThe omniscient attribute of god will know what the creatures will do even\nbefore the omnipotent has created them. There is no choice left. All is known,\nthe course of events is fixed.\n \nNot even for the omniscient itself, to extend an argument by James Tims.\n \n \n>>>If God is omniscient, then\n>>>clearly, creating beings with free moral choice is a greater good than\n>>>the emergence of ungodliness (evil\/sin) since He created them knowing\n>>>the outcome in advance.\n>>\n>> Why is it the greater good to allow evil with the knowledge that it\n>> will happen? Why not make a unipolar system with the possibility of\n>> doing good or not doing good, but that does not necessarily imply\n>> doing evil. It is logically possible, but your god has not done it.\n>\n>I do not know that such is logically possible.  If God restrains a\n>free being's choice to choose to do evil and simply do \"not good\",\n>then can it be said that the being truly has a free moral choice?\n>And if \"good\" is defined as loving and obeying God, and avoiding\n>those behaviors which God prohibits, then how can you say that one\n>who is \"not good\" is not evil as well?  Like I said, I am not sure\n>that doing \"not good\" without doing evil is logically possible.\n \nAnd when I am not omnipotent, how can I have free will? You have said\nsomething about choices and the scenario gives them. Therefore we have\nwhat you define as free will.\n \nImagine the following. I can do good to other beings, but I cannot harm them.\nEasily implemented by making everyone appreciate being the object of good\ndeeds, but don't make them long for them, so they can not feel the absence\nof good as evil.\n \nBut whose case am I arguing? It is conceivable, so the omnipotent can do it.\nOr it would not be omnipotent. If you want logically consistent as well, you\nhave to give up the pet idea of an omnipotent first.\n \n(Deletion)\n>\n>Perhaps it is weak, in a way.  If I were just speculating about the\n>ubiquitous pink unicorns, then there would be no basis for such\n>speculation.  But this idea of God didn't just fall on me out of the\n>blue :), or while reading science fiction or fantasy.  (I know that\n>some will disagree)  :)  The Bible describes a God who is omniscient,\n>and nevertheless created beings with free moral choice, from which\n>the definitional logic follows.  But that's not all there is to it.\n>There seems to be (at least in my mind) a certain amount of evidence\n>which indicates that God exists and that the Biblical description\n>of Him may be a fair one.  It is that evidence which bolsters the\n>argument in my view.\n \nThat the bible describes an omniscient and omnipotent god destroys\nthe credibility of the bible, nothing less.\n \nAnd a lot of people would be interested in evidence for a god,\nunfortunately, there can't be any with these definitions.\n   Benedikt\n","2538":"From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson)\nSubject: Argic\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\nHey Serdar:\n          Man without a brain, yare such a LOSER!!!\n---\nProLine:  cosmo@pro-angmar\nInternet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com\nUUCP:     uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo\n","2539":"From: ginkgo@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (J. Geary Morton)\nSubject: Big Block Dodge Carburetor\nOrganization: UNC Educational Computing Service\nLines: 11\n\n\nNAPA remanufactured large 4 barrel carburetor for 78-80\nbig-block 360\/440 Dodge.  Part #4-244.  New in box w\/manifold gasket.\nRetail: $345.00\nNAPA price: $250.00\n\nYour price $100.00 + shipping\n\ncontact Geary Morton <ginkgo@uncecs.edu>\nphones: 919-851-6565(h) 919-549-7017(w)\n\n","2540":"From: ns111310@LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Nathaniel Sammons)\nSubject: Re: 68LC040 vs. 68RC040 in Centris 650\nNntp-Posting-Host: casco.lance.colostate.edu\nOrganization: Colorado State U. Engineering College\nLines: 4\n\nI also use PhotoShop to edit photos, and do DTP work.\n\n-nate\n\n","2541":"From: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Jack Morrison)\nSubject: Fixed-point math library\nOrganization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory\nLines: 11\nDistribution: usa\nReply-To: jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov\nNNTP-Posting-Host: medusa.jpl.nasa.gov\n\nHas anyone written or seen a C library or C++ class for fixed-point math,\nor good articles about same?\n\nI pretty much know how to do this, but I have a few other wheels to invent\nat the moment...\n\nThanks!\n---\n\"How am I typing? Call 1-818-354-7782\"               jack@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov\nJack Morrison\/Jet Propulsion Lab\/MS107-102 4800 Oak Grove Dr, Pasadena CA 91109\n\n","2542":"From: d91-fad@tekn.hj.se (DANIEL FALK)\nSubject: RE: VESA on the Speedstar 24\nOrganization: H|gskolan i J|nk|ping\nLines: 39\nNntp-Posting-Host: pc5_b109.et.hj.se\n\n>>>kjb\/MGL\/uvesa32.zip\n>>>\n>>>This is a universal VESA driver.  It supports most video\n>>>boards\/chipsets (include the Speedstar-24 and -24X) up to\n>>>24 bit color.\n>>>\n>>>Terry\n>>>\n>>>P.S.  I've tried it on a Speedstar-24 and -24X and it works. :)\n\n>>Not with all software. :( For instance it doesn't work at all with\n>>Animator Pro from Autodesk. It can't detect ANY SVGA modes when \n>>running UniVESA. This is really a problem as we need a VESA driver\n>>for both AA Pro and some hi-color stuff. :(\n\n>Just out of curiosity... Are you using the latest version (3.2)?  Versions\n>previous to this did not fill in all of the capabilities bits and other\n>information correctly.  I had problems with a lot of software until I got\n>this version.  (I don't think the author got around to posting an \n>announcementof it (or at least I missed it), but 3.2 was available in the \n>directory indicated as of 3\/29.)\n\nI sure did use version 3.2. It works fine with most software but NOT\nwith Animator Pro and that one is quite important to me. Pretty\nuseless program without that thing working IMHO.\nSo I hope the author can fix that.\n\n\/Daniel...\n\n\n\n\n=============================================================================\n!!      Daniel Falk          \\\\  \" Don't quote me! No comments! \"          !! \n!!      ^^^^^^ ^^^^           \\\\               Ebenezum the Great Wizard   !! \n!!      d91-fad@tekn.hj.se     \\\\                                          !!\n!!      d91fad@hjds90.hj.se    \/\/  Also known as the mega-famous musician  !!\n!!      Jkpg, Sweeeeeden...    \\\\         Leinad of The Yellow Ones        !!\n=============================================================================\n","2543":"From: pom@anke.imsd.uni-mainz.DE (Prof. Dr. Klaus Pommerening)\nSubject: DES: init vector as additional key?\nKeywords: DES, CBC, CFB, key search \nNntp-Posting-Host: anke.imsd.uni-mainz.de\nOrganization: Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz\nLines: 15\n\nThe recent discussion in this news group suggests that a key search attack  \nagainst DES is quite feasible now. But normally DES is applied in CBC or CFB  \nmode where one chooses a random init vector of 8 bytes. Questions:\n\n - Makes it sense to handle the init vector as an additional key? Then we have  \na 56 + 64 = 120 bit key.\n \n - If yes: Is anything known about the security of this key scheme? Can we  \nbreak it faster than by exhaustive search through the 120 bit key space?\n\n--\nKlaus Pommerening\nInstitut fuer Medizinische Statistik und Dokumentation\nder Johannes-Gutenberg-Universitaet\nObere Zahlbacher Strasse 69, W-6500 Mainz, Germany\n","2544":"From: jack@multimedia.cc.gatech.edu (Tom Rodriguez)\nSubject: composite video - what are HD and VD?\nArticle-I.D.: multimed.JACK.93Apr6032642\nOrganization: Multimedia Computing Group\nLines: 19\n\n\n\tI've got an rgb Mistubishi monitor and on the back it has 5\nBNC connectors labeled like this:\n\n    composite\n  HD          VD\n  +           +        +       +       +\n             sync     red    green    blue\n\n\tI've used it as a straight RGB monsitor but i can't figure out\nhow to use it for composite.  Could someone explain what these markings\nmean?  Thanks for any help.\n\n\ttom\n--\nTom Rodriguez  (jack@cc.gatech.edu)\nMultimedia Computing Group - GVU Lab\nGeorgia Institute of Technology\nAtlanta, Georgia 30332-0280\n","2545":"Nntp-Posting-Host: sinober.ifi.uio.no\nFrom: michaelp@ifi.uio.no (Michael Schalom Preminger)\nSubject: Re: Zionism is Racism\nOrganization: Dept. of Informatics, University of Oslo, Norway\nLines: 18\nOriginator: michaelp@sinober.ifi.uio.no\n\n\nIn article <20APR93.23565659.0109@VM1.MCGILL.CA>, B8HA000 <B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA> writes:\n> In Re:Syria's Expansion, the author writes that the UN thought\n> Zionism was Racism and that they were wrong.  They were correct\n> the first time, Zionism is Racism and thankfully, the McGill Daily\n> (the student newspaper at McGill) was proud enough to print an article\n> saying so.  If you want a copy, send me mail.\n> \n> Steve\n> \nWas the article about zionism? or about something else. The majority\nof people I heard emitting this ignorant statement, do not really\nknow what zionism is. They have just associated it with what they think\nthey know about the political situation in the middle east. \n\nSo Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism?\n\nMichael\n","2546":"From: jbr1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Jarryl B. Ritchie)\nSubject: For Sale:  Cannondale 3.0 Road Bike w\/Dura Ace 56 cm\nNntp-Posting-Host: ra.msstate.edu\nOrganization: Mississippi State University\nLines: 12\n\nCannondale 3.0 Road Bike  56 cm\nBright Blue Color\nDura Ace 8 speed not STI, could be easily converted though.\n32 spoke wheelset, clinchers.\n\nComplete Bike $700 or best offer.  All offers will be considered\nthis bike has to go.  Desperate times call for desperate measures.\nWill consider parting out, write for details.\n\njay ritchie\njbr1@ra.msstate.edu\n\n","2547":"From: adam@endor.uucp (Adam Shostack)\nSubject: Re: Israeli Terrorism\nOrganization: Aiken Computation Lab, Harvard University\nLines: 46\n\nIn article <1rd7eo$1a4@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cy779@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Anas Omran) writes:\n>\n>In a previous article, tclock@orion.oac.uci.edu (Tim Clock) says:\n\n>>In article <1993Apr24.203620.6531@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU (\"Andi Beyer\") writes:\n\n>>Since one is also unlikely to get \"the truth\" from either Arab or \n>>Palestinian news outlets, where do we go to \"understand\", to learn? \n>>Is one form of propoganda more reliable than another?\n\n>There are many neutral human rights organizations which always report\n>on the situation in the O.T.\n\n\tA neutral organization would report on the situation in\nIsrael, where the elderly and children are the victims of stabbings by\nHamas \"activists.\"  A neutral organization might also report that\nIsraeli arabs have full civil rights.\n\n>The Israelis used to arrest and sometimes to kill some of these\n>neutral reporters.\n\n\tCare to name names, or is this yet another unsubstantiated\nslander? \n\n>So, this is another kind of terrorism committed by the Jews in Palestine.\n>They do not allow fair and neutral coverage of the situation in Palestine.\n\n\tTerrorism, as you would know if you had a spine that allowed\nyou to stand up, is random attacks on civilians.  Terorism includes\nsuch things as shooting a cripple and thowing him off the side of a\nboat because he happens to be Jewish.  Not allowing people to go where\nthey are likely to be stabbed and killed, like a certain lawyer killed\nlast week, is not terorism.\n\nAdam\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAdam Shostack \t\t\t\t       adam@das.harvard.edu\n\n\"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure\nwouldn't waste them on members of Congress...\"   -John Perry Barlow\n","2548":"From: walkup@cs.washington.edu (Elizabeth Walkup)\nSubject: Re: Menangitis question\nOrganization: Computer Science & Engineering, U. of Washington, Seattle\nDistribution: na\nLines: 19\n\nIn article <19439@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n>... the neiseria meningococcus is one of the most common\n>forms of meningitis.  It's the one that sometimes sweeps\n>schools or boot camp.  It is contagious and kills by attacking\n>the covering of the brain, causing the blood vessels to thrombose\n>and the brain to swell up.\n>\n>\t...\n>\n>It can live in the throat of carriers.  Don't worry, you won't get \n>it from them, especially if they took the medication.\n\nAssuming one has been cultured as having a throat laden with\nneiseria meningococcus and given (and taken) a course of ERYC \nwithout the culture becoming negative, should one worry about\nbeing a carrier?  \n\n-- Elizabeth\n   walkup@cs.washington.edu\n","2549":"From: awesley@vela.acs.oakland.edu (awesley)\nSubject: Re: That silly outdated Bill (was Re: Koresh and Miranda)\nOrganization: Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan, U.S.A.\nLines: 115\nNNTP-Posting-Host: vela.acs.oakland.edu\n\nscottj@magic.dml.georgetown.edu (John L. Scott) writes:\n\n\n: The issue has never been whether tanks were used in Detroit in 1967.  It\n: has been whether they fired their main guns.  \n\nNever?  This is incorrect.  Either you don't read very well or resort\nto falsehoods in an attempt to make a point.\n\nAt the risk of boring and belaboring the point, my claim was\nthe chain was regarding the tanks \"last used in Detroit in 48\".\nThe text follows.\n\n:  You did not merely claim that\n: tanks were used--you claimed that they fired their main guns to suppress\n: sniper fire and that they were \"quite\" effective at this.  \n\nIndeed, when Coffman claimed they were only used as APCs, I did say\nI had been told they did fire their main guns.  \n  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^\n: You continue to\n: back away from this claim and defend something else that nobody is\n: disputing.\n\nWell, the poster who I responded to did dispute the use of tanks\npost-48.  Rude of you to call Gary Coffman a nobody.  \n\n: \"Well, it's not the main gun.\"  Gee, that's only the entire point.  Are you\n: now going to admit that you were wrong?\n\nThat was the entire point to *you*.  What exactly did I claim?\n   --------------------------------------------------\n  \"I've heard eye-witness descriptions of tanks using their main guns\nto respond to sniper fire.  Quite effectively.\"\n   --------------------------------------------------\n\n  I wasn't wrong . . . I've heard those descriptions.  If you're\npaying attention, I've mentioned that I saw the tanks with my own\neyes, but the main gun firing was an account I heard.  That helps\npeople judge whether or not to kick in the, to use your words,\n\"bullshit filters\".  Stating that I *claimed* this is a falsehood.\n\n  What was it I claimed as fact?  Here's the entire post:\n  --------------------------------------------------\n>We haven't used tanks against the black ghettos since Detroit 1948. \n\nCorrection.  I know they used tanks in Detroit 1968.  I saw em, it\nwas well covered in the news at that time.  Gordon Lightfoot mentions\nit in his song \"Black Day in July\".\n  --------------------------------------------------\n\n  Since you don't dispute that and claim that nobody else does, that\nmeans I was right.  \n\n: I will never read of tanks firing their main guns in Detroit in the '67\n: riots.  There is simply no way that such an event could have taken place\n: without it being common knowledge even 26 years later.  The American\n: military firing shells from tanks in American cities on blacks would have\n: been *big* news.\n\n   So one would suppose.  Some folks think in happened in 48.  \n\nAwesley goes on:\n  You can also read of the troops using grenade launchers.\n\n: To fire fragmentary grenades?  I doubt that as well.  To fire concussion\n: grenades?  Perhaps.  To fire tear gas?  Certainly.  But you would be\n: perfectly willing to let us believe they fired frags, wouldn't you, since\n: it makes your other claim seem more plausible.\n\nJohn, again, strawman techniques.  Do you feel you're losing it so you\nhave to stretch what I said and knock that down?  What I read said\nnothing about what they fired.  And so I put nothing in there.  If you\nneed some help, let me know and I'l take your side of this for a\nwhile.  You're not scoring here, you're boring here. \n\n: If tanks had fired their main guns in Detroit, people would have been\n: screaming about it for the past two and half decades.  I would know about\n: it. \n\n   Glad to know you're such an expert.  Nice to hear some an\nauthority.  I especially appreciate your basis of knowledge -- if it\nhad happened, you would have know it.  Since you are such an\nauthority, you probably know that people did scream about an alleged\nmassive cover-up in the number of people killed in the Detroit riot.\nSome claimed 100+ dead, others said 300.  The offical number is 43 but\nthe Concise Columbia Encyclopedia says it was \"several\".  I've also\nheard some things about that but I won't dare repeat them.  You'd\nassert that I claimed they were truth.\n\n: Unless you also claim that the National Guard managed to cover it up. \n\n   Taking the tour after the riots, it was pretty easy to tell the \ndifference between Army and Guard troops.  Or so I recall from 26 \nyears ago.  And I seem to recall it was the Army running the tanks.\nSo it would have been an Army cover-up.\n\n   Another part of my memories was that while most damaged building\nwere burnt, some were in rubble.  Based on what I remember, I was and\nam inclined to believe an old sarge or two.\n\n: If your mind is open enough to believe that, well, good for you.  I prefer\n: to live in reality.   And here in reality, I find it hard to believe that\n: those tanks even had any shells, much less fired them.\n\n   Given the level in destruction in Detroit, I'm quite willing to believe\nthat they did fire their guns.\n\n   Now then, we've bored the shit out of anyone whose bothered to read\nthis far and all you've managed to say is that you don't believe the\naccount I cited.\n\n: --John L. Scott\n\n                                  -- wes\n","2550":"From: mike@starburst.umd.edu (Michael F. Santangelo)\nSubject: Re: Space Station Redesign, JSC Alternative #4\nOrganization: University of Maryland, Chesapeake Biological Laboratory\nLines: 47\nNNTP-Posting-Host: starburst.umd.edu\n\ndbm0000@tm0006.lerc.nasa.gov (David B. Mckissock) writes:\n\n...text of options \"A\" and \"B\" deleted...\n\n>Option C - Single Core Launch Station.\n>This is the JSC lead option. Basically, you take a 23 ft diameter\n>cylinder that's 92 ft long, slap 3 Space Shuttle Main Engines on\n>the backside, put a nose cone on the top, attached it to a \n>regular shuttle external tank and a regular set of solid rocket\n>motors, and launch the can. Some key features are:\n>  - Complete end-to-end ground integration and checkout\n>  - 4 tangentially mounted fixed solar panels\n>  - body mounted radiators (which adds protection against\n>    micrometeroid & orbital debris)\n>  - 2 centerline docking ports (one on each end)\n>  - 7 berthing ports\n>  - a single pressurized volume, approximately 26,000 cubic feet\n>    (twice the volume of skylab).\n>  - 7 floors, center passageway between floors\n>  - 10 kW of housekeeping power\n\nOnly 10KW?\n\n>  - graceful degradation with failures (8 power channels, 4 thermal\n>    loops, dual environmental control & life support system)\n>  - increased crew time for utilization\n>  - 1 micro-g thru out the core module\n\nHa!  \"North America Modular SPACE STATION construction\" :-)\nSame apprach, same reasoning: \"construction occurs under assembly\nline conditions, no random weather problems interupting site-work\non your home - better quality control\" -- sounds like first \"-\"\npoint above :-)\n\nSomehow I have a strange attraction for this idea (living in\na modular home maybe has altered my mind).  The only thing\nthat scares me is the part about simply strapping 3 SSME's and\na nosecone on it and \"just launching it.\"  I have this vision\nof something going terribly wrong with the launch resulting in the\ncomplete loss of the new modular space station (not just a peice of\nit as would be the case with staged in-orbit construction).\n\n--\n-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+\nMichael F. Santangelo                 + Internet: mike@cbl.umd.edu      [work]\nDept. Head-Computer & Network Systems +           mike@kavishar.umd.edu [home]\nUMCEES \/ CBL (Solomons Island)        + BITNET:   MIKE@UMUC  [fwd to mike@cbl]\n","2551":"From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney)\nSubject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption\nOrganization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena\nLines: 23\nDistribution: na\nNNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu\n\nbrad@clarinet.com (Brad Templeton) writes:\n\n>Their strategy is a business one rather than legal one.  They are\n>pushing to get a standard in place, a secret standard, and if they\n>get it as a standard then they will drive competitors out of the market.\n>It will be legal to sell better, untapable encryption that doesn't have\n>registered keys, but it will be difficult, and thus not a plan for\n>most phone companies.\n\nIf Brad's analysis is correct, it may offer an explanation for why the\nencryption algorithm is being kept secret.  This will prevent competitors\nfrom coming out with Clipper-compatible phones which lack the government-\ninstalled \"back door.\"  The strategy Brad describes will only work as long\nas the only way to get compatible phones is to have ones with the government\nchips.\n\n(It would be nice, from the point of view of personal privacy, if Brad\nturns out to be right.  As long as people still have the power to provide\ntheir own encryption in place of or in addition to the Clipper, privacy\nis still possible.  But the wording of several passages in the announcement\nmakes me doubt whether this will turn out to be true.)\n\nHal Finney\n","2552":"From: rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter)\nSubject: Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac.\nOrganization: Boeing\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <1qnm6fINN8tr@tamsun.tamu.edu> brentb@tamsun.tamu.edu (Brent) writes:\n>tsa@cellar.org (The Silent Assassin) writes:\n>>rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes:\n>>\n>>> Can you please offer some recommendations?\n>>\n>>It's really not that hard to do.  There are books out there which explain\n>>everything, and the basic 3D functions, translation, rotation, shading, and\n>>hidden line removal are pretty easy.  I wrote a program in a few weeks witht\n>>he help of a book, and would be happy to give you my source.\n>\n>I think he wanted to avoid reinventing the wheel.\n\n Yes, I want to concentrate on other development issues - I've created graphics\n libraries before, it's too time consuming... life's too short!\n\n>>\tAlso, Quickdraw has a lot of 3D functions built in, and Think pascal\n>>can access them, and I would expect that THINK C could as well.  If you can\n>>find out how to use the Quickdraw graphics library, it would be an excellent\n>>choice, since it has a lot of stuff, and is built into the Mac, so should be\n>>fast.\n>\n>Just to clarify, the 3D routines that are mentioned in various places\n>on the mac are in a libray, not the ROM of the mac.  A few years ago before\n>I knew anything about implementing graphics, I came across a demo of the\n>Apple GrafSys3D library and it actually did a lot.  However, it is quite\n>limited in the sense that it's a low-level 3D library; your code still has\n>to plot individual points, draw each line, etc ad nauseum.  It has nothing\n>on GL, for example, where you can handle objects.\n\n Thanks for the clarification... Before posting my original request I had looked\n into the Mac's 3D capabilities and dismissed them as low grade.\n\nBobC\n\n","2553":"From: v140pxgt@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Daniel B Case)\nSubject: Re: EIGHT MYTHS about National Health Insurance (Pt II)\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 147\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu\n\nIn article <1993Apr18.001116.19872@news.columbia.edu>, gld@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Gary L Dare) writes...\n>The difference in the litigation environment is reflected in the fees.\n> \n>Lack of defensive medicine and near-absence of malpractice is really\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n>why we spend less using the most expensive approach of pure insurance\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n\nThen why do we really need national health insurance then? Wouldn't it just make\nmore sense to find some way to cut down on the cost of malpractice insurance?\n\nAnd maybe that's not such a good thing. I also read somewhere that it is next to\nimpossible in Canada to litigate against the health system-class action suits\nare nearly impossible, and you can't sue the provincial health officials at all.\n\n> \n>Part of the deal for using the all-insurance approach like the French\n>and Germans do (hey, why don't they criticize France and Germany?  Is\n>it because too many people take French and German in college to make\n>the accusations stick? (-;) was to preserve the doctors independance.\n>Since the provincial wings of the CMA are the ones that go to bat when\n>the fee schedule hikes are presented, the politically-bent doctors\n>were just cackling when they realized the CMA would grow in strength\n>rather than diminish, especially when unopposed unlike in socialized\n>medicine approaches like Britain's National Health Service.\n\nOh no. Don't let the AMA know about this. They have enough power as it is. Ask\nmost Americans whether they'd like the doctors' lobby to get more powerful.\n\n>For non-life threatening things, market arguments adequately cover why\n>certain procedures are in scarcer demand.  I have MD friends who can't\n>make a living as specialists back in Manitoba not due to the insurance\n>rates but because they won't get enough customers -- the CMA medical\n>monopoly's grip on doctors licencing (as in the US) aside -- so they\n>must move to larger places.  However, this does not refute debunking\n>of waiting lines for urgent AND routine care, as has been done in the\n>U.S. by Consumers Reports, health policy studies cited by Prof. Dennis\n>E. Shea on USENET, CNN, NYT, etc.\n\nWell, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre outside Ottawa.\nTheoretically it's limited to service personnel, but some studies I've heard\nabout have suggested that about half the patients there are civilians who not\nonly have connections but aren't \"urgent\" at all.\n\nThe problem is, in a system where hospitals' annual budgets are approved by the\ngovernment, how do you keep political considerations out of medical decisions?\nI bet that if you're an MP or MPP, or good friends with one, you're put on any\nhospital's \"urgent\" care list no matter how minor your problem. Which is OK \nunless you're someone who gets bumped off the list for some bigshot.\n\n>>WOULDN'T NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE MEAN THAT AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW  \n>>FULLY INSURED MIGHT HAVE TO SETTLE FOR LESS?  \n>>\n>>In Canada, provincial insurance covers all health costs except dental  \n>>care, eyeglasses, prescription drugs, ambulance service, and private  \n>>hospital rooms, -- so many Canadians do end up buying some private  \n>>insurance. A policy to cover all of these things runs about #40 to $40  \n>>a month.  \n\nHmm. How much difference would it make in the figure of percentage of GNP spent\non health care if dentistry and optometry were included in the accounting? \nMaybe Canada spends proportionately just as much on health care as we do.\n\n> \n>Of course, the one thing to note is that in the Canada\/France\/Germany\n>case, private insurance *offloaded* the basic coverage to the public\n>sector.  They realized they were keeping low-risk\/high-profit extra\n>insurance for things like private\/semi-private rooms (vs. ward\n>accomodation), dental, glasses, etc. for corporate or personal\n>benefits, they'll have nothing to do with you if you want to be\n>covered for basic care.\n> \n>At that point, they wouldn't even consider a \"voucher\" approach\n>to broker the universal coverage and sell policies to make up\n>the difference in the federal guidelines and market stuff.\n\nSo what happens if the health care systems financially collapse. Bob Rae, the\nsecond least popular man in Ontario, warned Ontarians a few years ago that if\nthey didn't stop cross-border shopping in such huge numbers, \"the services they\nexpect from the province just won't be there in a few years\" (Fortunately for\nthem (and less fortunately for the retailers here in Western New York) the \nCanadian dollar went back to a more realistic value). He didn't say so, but I\nknew he meant the OHIP. What would happen if his warning turned out to be the \ntruth? Would the private insurers take up the slack? They'd be under no \nobligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again, but if what\nyou say is true, they'd be loathe to do so (and out of practice in handling \nsuch basic services, too).\n\n> \n>>******************************************************************  \n>>\n>>WOULDN'T FREE CARE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RUN TO THE DOCTOR FOR EVERY  \n>>ACHE AND PAIN?  \n>>\n>>People who get free treatment *do* go to the doctor and hospital about  \n>>a third more often than those who have to pay a share of their medical  \n>>bills.  \n>>\n>>Still, Canadians -- who pay nothing at the doctor's -- have a lower  \n>>per-person health bill than we do.\n> \n>It is \"free\" in that there are no deductibles nor copayments (two\n>things which I advocate to make the Canadian insurance look more like\n>real health insurance -- which actually it is).  I know that when\n>working in Alberta, Ontario and Quebec, I was aware that I was paying\n>for health insurance - e.g., in Toronto, OHIP fees were listed on my\n>pay stub; Manitoba did not collect at paycheque time, but only\n>annually at income tax time (built into the tax rate).  Only fiscal\n>naifs will proclaim that it's free, along with the Canadian Left for\n>that is part of their brainwashing agenda.\n\nWould that it were free. Americans would start another revolution if they had\nto pay taxes at Canadian rates.\n\n>>ISN'T THE PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE INDUSTRY JUST TOO BIG  \n>>AND POWERFUL TO KILL?  \n>>\n>>Dismantling the health segment of our insurance industry would be  \n>>\"politically thorny,\" in the quiet words of one advocate for a  \n>>national plan. Some 1,200 firms now sell more than $192 billion in  \n>>health insurance. They'd put up a hard fight. Not only has the industry  \n>>grown eightfold since Canada shut down its own health insurers, but \n>>our government leaves politicians more open to lobbyists than does  \n>>Canada's parliamentary system.\n> \n>Health insurance does exist in Canada and in Western Europe, its\n>just that it doesn't cover basic care.  You can opt out in Canada\n>and Germany, but you'll have to go uninsured as a result because\n>there are too few other people that do so --- i.e., no market.\n> \n>When private insurance realized how much money they'd make without the\n>risks involved in basic insurance (e.g., neurosurgery) versus deluxe\n>amenities (e.g., having to call Granada TV to replace a rental set on\n>the fritz in someone's private hospital room), they started to pat\n>themselves on the back for their social responsibility.  In Quebec\n>last spring, a consortium of private insurers publicly warned against\n>any thoughts of privatizing routine, low cost parts of that province's\n>public health insurance plan.\n\nAgain, I doubt Americans would like giving the insurance companies that much\npower. I half wonder if the Canadian health insurers didn't go along with the\nprovinces and the federal government years ago because they knew that there was\na good chance of the public system going bust in the long run, and then \nafterwards they could clean up (Okay, this sort of contradicts what I said\nhigher up. But it's another possibility). They'd have an added bonus when \narguing against government involvement in their industry-as they could then \npoint to its failure instead of just citing theoretical principles.\n","2554":"From: gaia@carson.u.washington.edu (I\/We are Gaia)\nSubject: Re: Plymouth Sundance\/Dodge Shadow experiences?\nOrganization: University of Washington, Seattle\nLines: 115\nDistribution: usa\nNNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu\n\nIn article <oprsfnx.735015349@gsusgi1.gsu.edu> oprsfnx@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Stephen F. Nicholas) writes:\n>daubendr@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Darren R Daubenspeck) writes:\n>\n>\n>>> they are pretty much junk, stay away from them.  they will be replaced next\n>>> year with all new models.  \n>\n>\n>>Junk?  They've made the C&D lists for years due to their excellent handling and  \n>>acceleration.  They have been around since about, oh, 85 or 86, so they're not  \n>>the newest on the lot, and mileage is about five to eight MPG under the class  \n>>leader.  You can get into a 3.0 L v-6 (141 hp) Shadow for $10~11K (the I-4  \n>>turbo a bit more), and a droptop for $14~15K.  \n>\n>\n> As an ex-Fleet Mgr. of 3000 cars, they were amoung the most trouble free of\n>all models.  I bought one for my wife.\n>\n\n\n*nnnnnnnng* Thank you for playing, I cannot agree with this.  I believed\nthis and to put it nicely, it was a piece of junk!\n\nI loved this car, I babied it, I pampered it, and after 2 years, it just\ncouldn't stay together, I would say that not everyone will have the\nproblems that I had, but know this, it's not just the car, it is the\nability to get the car fixed, which will NOT happen at any\nchrysler\/dodge\/take your pick dealer.  I don't care if there are going to\nreform their dealers\/service with the intro of the LH cars, I will believe\nit when I see it.  Case and point, the local dodge dealer.  You drive up,\njust looking, you don't even get out of your door, when about 10 (yes 10)\nsalesman all eye you like their next meal, and literally pounce on you,\nand try to get you to make a deal, on everything your eye wanders towards.\nService is about 2 times worse than that.  I had an alignment problem, but\nthey tried to tell me that the K frame was bent, and about 2000 dollars of\nwork\/parts to fix it.  Let me tell you the problems I had, and I took care\nof this car, I put alot of miles on it in the first couple years, but took\nit to every checkup it needed, and many that shouldn't have been.\n\n1988 Dodge Shadow ES\n\nThese were replaced within the 4 years that I owned the car.\n\nEngine \n4 Alternators\nRear Suspension Torsion Bar\n2 Water pumps\n5 thermostats\nHall effect sensor\nMain computer\n4 Batteries\n\nThese were rebuilt\/repaired\n\nRadiator\nAutomatic Transmission\nPower Steering\n\n\nThose are just the things I can remember off the top of my head.  For\nabout a year before I sold the car, I said to myself, it's a good car, I\njust can't find anybody competent enough the fix it.  In the end, before I\ntraded it in for a Saturn, the power steering started acting up again.  I\njust stopped putting money into it.  I must have put at least $5000-$7000\nworth of repairs over it's lifetime.  I am sorry but Lee Iacocca can bite\nme.  Bullshit, whoever backs em best, is just afraid the stupid things are\ngoing to fall apart, and no one will buy them without assurance, why the\nhell do you think that LH has been nicknamed Last Hope.\n\nYou can do better, and I know people will disagree with me here, but\nJapanese, like Honda, or Toyota, or the only american car company that I\nfeel is a quality product, Saturn.  I will not touch another chrysler\nproduct again, no way.  I don't care how good the LH cars look good, and I\nwill admit they look promising, but not with the support that you get.  GM\nisn't much better, thank god, they don't control Saturn, like they do\ntheir divisions, or it would be just another marketing ploy.  \n\nDon't get me wrong, i will be watching my car (which I do like) like a\nhawk for the next 4 years.  I am much more hesitant to say it (or any) car\nis really good, until it has proved itself to me.\n\nBut since someone else pointed out C&D as a source.  I will note, because\nI used to read these magazines, that Car and Driver has never had a good\nthing to say about most Chrysler products (Shadow for one), always were\nthey moaning about the reguritated K-car, and engine.  Whereas Motor Trend\nalways thought they were great cars.  No car magazine is really objective.\n\nAnd although there are alot of people who don't like Consumers Reports, I\nwill use them to reinforce my argument (I already know about the big stink\nwith the Saturn crash tests, time will tell how good a car they are), the\nshadow\/sundance rate much worse than average, in fact none of the\nchrysler's rate a better than average, I think the best one is just\naverage.  Excluding the diamond star\/mitsubishi stuff and the LH's.  You\ncan find bad stuff about the Shadow.  Try as I might, when I researched\nthe Saturn, I could not find anything bad about it.  There is a great deal\nof information about this company, just because it is a new american\ncompany and it has created quite a stir in the automotive community, for\ngood reason.  Much more than the introduction of any new model lines of\nany established company.  I read an article, which had a sub-column, an I\nthink this imprinted on me more than anything else.  Some big wig in\nToyota said and I quote, \"We are watching them very closely.\"  Come on,\neverybody grow up, the foreign cars, especially the japanese have been\nkicking our butts, for good reason, the american car companies could not make\na good product or support the customer the way they want these days, to\nset in their ways, which is one of the reasons Saturn was created.  They\nare still struggling because they haven't learned yet.  They have the\nability, the workers are not inferior, the technology is not out of date,\nbut their attitude is, and they are just finding this out.  It's called\ncompetition gentleman\/women if you don't satisfy the demand of the\nconsumer, well your out..  \n\n*asbestos suit on*\n\nGaia\n\n","2555":"From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale)\nSubject: Re: islamic authority over women\nNntp-Posting-Host: nin\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England\nLines: 49\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.023044.19580@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n\n> One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say \"Mom\",\n> because of the love of their mom.  It makes for more virile men.\n> Compare that with how homos are raised.  Do a study and you will get my\n> point.\n\nOh, Bobby. You're priceless. Did I ever tell you that?\n\nMy policy with Bobby's posts, should anyone give a damn, is to flick\nthrough the thread at high speed, searching for posts of Bobby's which\nhave generated a whole pile of followups, then go in and extract the\nhilarious quote inevitably present for .sig purposes. Works for me.\n\nFor the guy who said he's just arrived, and asked whether Bobby's for real,\nyou betcha. Welcome to alt.atheism, and rest assured that it gets worse.\nI have a few pearls of wisdom from Bobby which I reproduce below. Is anyone\n(Keith?) keeping a big file of such stuff?\n\n     \"In Allah's infinite wisdom, the universe was created from nothing,\n        just by saying \"Be\", and it became. Therefore Allah exists.\"\n           --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #1\n\n     \"Wait. You just said that humans are rarely reasonable. Doesn't that\n      contradict atheism, where everything is explained through logic and\n      reason? This is THE contradiction in atheism that proves it false.\"\n           --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #2\n\n              \"Plus, to the believer, it would be contradictory\n                    to the Quran for Allah not to exist.\"\n           --- Bobby Mozumder proving the existence of Allah, #3\n\nand now\n\n   \"One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say \"Mom\",\n    because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men. Compare\n    that with how homos are raised.  Do a study and you will get my point.\"\n         -- Bobby Mozumder being Islamically Rigorous on alt.atheism\n\nMmmmm. Quality *and* quantity from the New Voice of Islam (pbuh).\n\nCheers\n\nSimon\n-- \nSimon Clippingdale                simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk\nDepartment of Computer Science    Tel (+44) 203 523296\nUniversity of Warwick             FAX (+44) 203 525714\nCoventry CV4 7AL, U.K.\n","2556":"From: davew@cs.umd.edu (David G. Wonnacott)\nSubject: Questions about insurance companies (esp. Geico)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742\nLines: 13\n\nI'm considering switching to Geico insurance, but have heard that\nthey do not assign a specific agent for each policy or claim.  I was\nworried that this might be a real pain when you make a claim.  I have\nalso heard that they try to get rid of you if you have an accident.\n\nI'm interestend in determining whether or not these things are true.\nHas anyone out there with Geico made a claim?  I'd be interested in\nhearing whether or not you were satisfied with the service and whether\nyou then had trouble renewing your policy.\n\nI'm also interested in any good or bad stories about Liberty Mutual or\nState Farm.\n\n","2557":"From: am37@ellis.uchicago.edu (Drewster)\nSubject: Re: Utility for updating Win.ini and system.ini\nReply-To: am37@midway.uchicago.edu\nOrganization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations\nLines: 16\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.085638.29338@news.uit.no> sp@odin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Svein Pedersen) writes:\n>I nead a utility for updating (deleting, adding, changing) *.ini files for Windows. \n>\n>Do I find it on any FTP host?\n>\n>Svein\n>\n\nUnless I am completely misunderstanding you, try using either Notepad or\nsysedit.exe (found in your system subdirectory) to edit you .ini files.\n\nThe sysedit.exe program is cool because it automatically opens you win.ini,\nsystem.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files to be edited.\n\nDrewster (am37@kimbark.uchicago.edu)\n\n","2558":"From: eshneken@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Edward A Shnekendorf)\nSubject: Re: Why does US consider YIGAL ARENS to be a dangerous to humanity\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 48\n\nanwar+@cs.cmu.edu (Anwar Mohammed) writes:\n\n>In article <4815@bimacs.BITNET> ehrlich@bimacs.BITNET (Gideon Ehrlich) writes:\n>>The readers of this forum seemed to be more interested in the contents\n>>of those files.\n>>So It will be nice if Yigal will tell us:\n>>1. Why do American authorities consider Yigal Arens to be dangerous?\n\n>ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including\n>the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry.  Perhaps you can answer\n>the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members\n>in California (and elsewhere??)?  Friendly rivalry perhaps?\n\nCome on!  Most if not all Arabs are sympathetic to the Palestinian war \nagainst Israel.  That is why the ADL monitors Arab organizations.  That is\nthe same reason the US monitored communist organizations and Soviet nationals\nonly a few years ago.  \n\n>Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? \n>Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations\/ethnic \n>minorities\/occupations that the ADL spied on.\n\nAll of these groups have, in the past, associated with or been a part of anti-\nIsrael activity or propoganda.  The ADL is simply monitoring them so that if\nanything comes up, they won't be caught by surprise.\n\n>>2. Why does the ADL have an interest in that person ?\n\n>Paranoia?\n\nNo, that is why World Trade Center bombings don't happen in Israel (aside from\nthe fact that there is no world trade center) and why people like Zein Isa (\nPalestinian whose American group planned to bow up the Israeli Embassy and \n\"kill many Jews.\") are caught.  As Mordechai Levy of the JDL said, Paranoid\nJews live longer.\n\n>>3. If one does trust either the US government or the ADL what an\n>>   additional information should he send them ?\n\n>The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already \n>have them.\n\nThey probably do.\n\n>>Gideon Ehrlich\n>-anwar\nEd.\n\n","2559":"From: wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W)\nSubject: Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE)\nOrganization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam\nLines: 20\n\necktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:\n\n>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20 \n>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better).  Vertical motion \n>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click \n>on something because my mouse jumps around.  I can be moving the mouse to \n>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly \n>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump \n>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!).  This is crazy!  I have \n>never had so much trouble with a mouse before.  Anyone have any solutions?  \n\n>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam!\n\nI think I have the same problem. I think it is caused by the rubber ball\nin the mouse, which doesn't roll so smooth. The detectors in the mouse\nnotice this and whoops, I hit a mine (using minesweeper :-) ).\n\nI think the solution will be buying a new mouse, and\/or using a mouse pad.\n\nWouter.\n","2560":"From: bbs.billand@tsoft.net (Bill Anderson)\nSubject: Handgun Restrictions\nOrganization: The TSoft BBS and Public Access Unix, +1 415 969 8238\nLines: 7\n\nI would like to know what restrictions there are on purchasing handguns \n(ie waiting periods, background check etc..) in the states of Nevada and \nOregon. Thanks.\n                                                -Bill\n\n--\nBill Anderson (bbs.billand@tsoft.net)\n","2561":"From: hhaldre@stacken.kth.se (Heikki Haldre)\nSubject: (Q) COMPAQ configuration. HELP!!\nOrganization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu\n\n\nHi All COMPAQ owners\n\nA friend of mine has COMPAQ (PORTABLE III), and he has lost all the manuals and\ndiskettes.\n\nPlease HELP him getting the machine's equipment definition (CMOS) memory\nconfiguration right. The machine says that some bytes of it are still \nincorrectly set up. It seems, that COMPAQ has some bytes defined not like\nthe 100% IBM compatible machines. If You have a COMPAQ, it\ncertainly has DIAGNOSTICs diskette with it. And this is needed. I can't\nreach quickly any COMPAQ dealers here.\n\nIf it is possible PLEASE email documentation, or some of its configuration\nsoftware.\n\nHeikki Haldre E-mail: hhaldre@sune.stacken.kth.se\n                  or  hhaldre@park.tartu.ee\n\n","2562":"From: callison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)\nSubject: Re: Do trains\/busses have radar?\nNntp-Posting-Host: uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu\nOrganization: Engineering Computer Network, University of Oklahoma, Norman, OK, USA\nLines: 32\n\nIn article <1993Apr15.111910.1@bronco.fnal.gov> colombo@bronco.fnal.gov (Rick 'Open VMS 4ever' Colombo) writes:\n>\n>I don't know about trains, but I've saw a sign on the back of a\n>Greyhound bus that warns you that your radar detector may be set off.\n>It doesn't explain why, but it does set off my radar detector.\n\nBecause Greyhound has apparently gotten around to installing their\nRADAR collision-prevention system. They use RADAR to monitor how close\nother vehicles are and how fast their relative speeds are, and signals\na warning to the driver if they're coming up on something too fast\nor are getting too close.\n\nThis is all I remember from the news reports a few months back; at\nthe time, they were only talking about the possibility of installing\nthe system. (They didn't mention how it worked in bumper-to-bumper\ntraffic, or how it discriminated between a Camaro approaching at\n120mph and ye olde bridge support in the median being approached \nat 60mph on a curve.)\n\nI do recall something about progressive stages of warnings, from\nflashing lights to audible warnings--ie, it goes from a red \"Too\nclose\" light to hysterically screaming \"WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!\"  :-)\n\n\t\t\t\tJames\n\nJames P. Callison    Microcomputer Coordinator, U of Oklahoma Law Center \nCallison@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu   \/\\    Callison@aardvark.ucs.uoknor.edu   \nDISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...\n\t\tThe forecast calls for Thunder...'89 T-Bird SC\n   \"It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away all he has \n\tand all he's ever gonna have.\" \n\t\t\t--Will Munny, \"Unforgiven\"\n","2563":"From: wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca (Wayne Smith)\nSubject: Re: SCSI on dos\nOrganization: The John P. Robarts Research Institute, London, Ontario\nKeywords: SCSI, DOS, streamer\nNntp-Posting-Host: valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca\nLines: 21\n\nIn article <1993apr19.072253.14522@dde.dk> ibh@dde.dk (Ib Hojme) writes:\n>\tI have a question concerning SCSI on DOS.\n>\n>\tI have a ST01 SCSI controller and two hard-disks conected\n>\t(id's 0 and 1). I'd like to connect a SCSI streamer, but I\n>\tdon't have software to access it. Does such a beast exist\n>\tas shareware or PD ?\n>\tAlso what if I want a third disk ? I know that DOs only can\n>\t\"see\" two two physical and four logical disks. Will it be\n>\tpossible to use extra disks ?\n\nContrary to what others might have thought, I actually did have a SCSI drive\nonce.  It was the Seagate 296N and the ST-02 controller.  I found that the\ncontroller couldn't keep up with a 1:1 interleave, so the best I could do\nwith the drive was a 2:1 interleave and a data transfer of about 450 k\/sec.\n\nI have had that drive\/controller coexist with MFM, RLL, and IDE drives\nbecause the ST-02 bios will kinda muscle itself in there with no help\nneeded from the computer's bios.  Dos will see many logical drives, much more\nthan 4 (I've had up to 10).  I've often wondered how many SCSI drives you\ncould hang off a ST-01\/02.\n","2564":"From: simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale)\nSubject: Re: note to Bobby M., again\nNntp-Posting-Host: nin\nOrganization: Department of Computer Science, Warwick University, England\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.213527.3706@ultb.isc.rit.edu> snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu (S.N. Mozumder ) writes:\n\n> How about people who are not religous?  Take the inner city.  There are\n> many people that care little for religion.  Lot of crime.  Lot of\n> murder.  This is the other end- lack of religion- that allows wrong to\n> happen.\n\nI lived in Tokyo for a year and a half, and one of the many reasons why\nI intend to go back indefinitely is the freedom one enjoys when one can\nwalk anywhere (and I mean *anywhere*) at any time of day or night and not\nfeel uneasy, even if one's from an ethnic minority as I was.\n\nClues for Bobby (why do I bother?): (i) Tokyo is a city, and inner Tokyo\nis an inner city; (ii) there is a negligible level of violent crime, and\na street murder will be a lead item on *national* TV news; (iii) the\npopulation is almost universally atheistic.\n\nNext time I go for a stroll around Beirut at night, I'll let you know how\nit compares.\n\n> Bobby Mozumder\n\nCheers\n\nSimon\n-- \nSimon Clippingdale                simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk\nDepartment of Computer Science    Tel (+44) 203 523296\nUniversity of Warwick             FAX (+44) 203 525714\nCoventry CV4 7AL, U.K.\n","2565":"From: wright@duca.hi.com (David Wright)\nSubject: Re: NATURAL ANTI-cancer\/AIDS Remedies\nOrganization: Hitachi Computer Products, OSSD division\nLines: 16\nNNTP-Posting-Host: duca.hi.com\n\nIn article <19604@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:\n|In article <1993Apr6.165840.5703@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:\n|>     The biggest reason why the cost of medical care is so EXTREMELY high and\n|>increasing is that NATURAL methods of treatment and even diagnosis are still\n|>being SYSTEMATICALLY IGNORED and SUPPRESSED by the MONEY-GRUBBING and POWER-\n|>MONGERING \"medical\" establishment.\n\n|That's not the half of it.  Did you realize that all medical doctors have\n|now been replaced by aliens?\n\nYup.  By the way, what planet are you from, and once you got here, did\nyou encounter those prejudices against foreign medical graduates?\n\n  -- David Wright, Hitachi Computer Products (America), Inc.  Waltham, MA\n     wright@hicomb.hi.com  ::  These are my opinions, not necessarily \n     Hitachi's, though they are the opinions of all right-thinking people\n","2566":"From: ianmc@spartan.ac.BrockU.CA (Ian McPherson)\nSubject: Re: chip \/ chipset for code 39 barcode?\nOrganization: Brock University, St. Catharines Ontario\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]\nLines: 26\n\nLLBGB@utxdp.dp.utexas.edu wrote:\n: Distribution: usa\n: Reply-To: lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n\n: While I'm on the net bugging everyone, is there such a thing as a chip\n: or chipset to decode Code 39 barcode?  I ask for a couple of reasons --\n: mainly I want a reasonably compact encoding scheme to write information\n: on magstripe cards and Code 39 appears to be about right.  (If the 'right'\n: way to do it is something else, and it's reasonably easy, can someone let\n: me know?)\n\n: I might not get a chance to reply too quickly to this or my earlier post,\n: but I'll get to them within a couple days, I think ..\n\n: thanx everyone!  <BGB>  lihan@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu\n\nHewlett Packard has a series of barcode decoder ICs HBCR-1800, HBCR-2000,\nand HBCR-2010 and they support 3of9  extended 3of9  interleaved 2of5  \nand UPC codes. The 2000 and 2010 pieces add codabar and code 128.\n\nThese chips support HP's barcode wands and slot readers.\n\nAn 1800 + a HEDS-3050 wand run about $150 CDN .\n\nIan.\n\n","2567":"From: kreyling@lds.loral.com (Ed Kreyling 6966)\nSubject: Sun-os and 8bit ASCII graphics\nOrganization: Loral Data Systems\nDistribution: comp.graphics\nLines: 7\n\nI would like to know if anyone has had any luck using the upper 128 ASCII\ncharacters on a Sun station.  I am trying to convert a fortran program to run\non a Sun.  When we write character buffers to the Sun which contain char(218)\nor char(196) or char(197) etc.  We get characters on the screen but they are\nnot the characters in the standard ASCII tables.\n\nAny ideas or help will be appreciated.\n","2568":"From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)\nSubject: Re: Who picks first?\nOrganization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences\nLines: 9\nNntp-Posting-Host: mail.sas.upenn.edu\n\nOttawa picks first, because they had fewer wins during the season, the\nfirst tiebreaker.\n\n--\n    Keith Keller\t\t\t\tLET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!\n\t\t\t\t\t\tLET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!\n\tkkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu\t\tIVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!\n\n            \"When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you.\" \n","2569":"From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)\nSubject: Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]\nKeywords: encryption, wiretap, clipper, key-escrow, Mykotronx\nOrganization: DSI\/USCRPAC\nLines: 57\n\n\nThough some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that\nthe government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only\nused for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file\nencryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced\nstandard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to\neasy-to-break inverters.\n\nNote that the big issue for the feds is the continued ability to wiretap.\nBefore we go off the deep end with long discusions about secure crypto for\ne-mail and files, let's focus on this.\n\nOne question that was not asked in the release is whether this proposal is\nlimited to telephony, or if the government intends to expand it.\n\nThough I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal\nless threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no\nsecure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a \"goat\" can\neavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and\ncordless phones.\n\n-------\n\nReading between the lines, I infer that the system is highly secure\nwithout access to the keys. This would meet the needs of U.S. businesses\nconfronted by rich and powerful adversaries, including French and Japanese\nsecurity services and rich Japanese companies. It allows the NSA to make\navailable some of its better stuff while protecting law enforcement needs.\n\nMost legitimate U.S. corporations trust the NSA, and would be delighted to\nhave a high-security system certified by them, even at the price of\ndepositing keys in escrow. I see no difficulty in creating a reliable\nescrow. Corporations entrust their secrets to attorneys every day of the\nweek, and that system has worked pretty well.\n\nFrom my point of view this is a fair starting point. There are concerns that\nneed to be addressed, including the reliability of the escrows. But in\nreturn we get access to high-security crypto. Many have suggested that DES\nand other systems may be breakable by the NSA and hence others similarly\nskilled and endowed. There is at least a good possibility (which should be\nchecked) that the proposed system is not so breakable. It doesn't have to\nbe, nor does it have to have trapdoors, if the government can get the keys\npursuant to a legitimate court order. Thus they can protect legitimate\ncommunications against economic adversaries, while still being able to\neavesdrop on crooks pursuant to a court order.\n\n------\n\nIn discussing this, let's try to avoid the nastiness, personal attacks and\nnoise of some previous threads. This is a substantive and technical issue,\nand personal remarks have no place in such a discussion.\n\n-- \nDavid Sternlight         Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of\n                         our information, errors and omissions excepted.  \n\n\n","2570":"From: suopanki@stekt6.oulu.fi (Heikki T. Suopanki)\nSubject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses\nIn-Reply-To: jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com's message of 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST\nLines: 17\nReply-To: suopanki@stekt.oulu.fi\nOrganization: Unixverstas Olutensin, Finlandia\n\t<1993Apr3.183519.14721@proxima.alt.za>\n\t<1993Apr5.112430.825@batman.bmd.trw.com>\n\n>>>>> On 5 Apr 93 11:24:30 MST, jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com said:\n\n:> God is eternal.    [A = B]\n:> Jesus is God.      [C = A]\n:> Therefore, Jesus is eternal.  [C = B]\n\n:> This works both logically and mathematically.  God is of the set of\n:> things which are eternal.  Jesus is a subset of God.   Therefore\n:> Jesus belongs to the set of things which are eternal.\n\nEverything isn't always so logical....\n\nMercedes is a car.\nThat girl is Mercedes.\nTherefore, that girl is a car?\n\n-Heikki\n","2571":"From: rei@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp (Rei Hamakawa)\nSubject: Xavier (AV Extension to InterViews)\nArticle-I.D.: tsl.1993Apr27.043112.25052\nOrganization: C&C Systems Research Labs, NEC Corporation, Kawasaki, Japan\nLines: 58\nNntp-Posting-Host: hyperion.tsl.cl.nec.co.jp\n\nDear Folks:\n\nIt's a pleasure to be able to announce the release of a new freeware program, \nXavier, an audio and video  extension to InterViews.\n\nXavier(eXtension AV class for IntERviews) is a C++ class library\nthat adds multimedia capability to InterViews. It allows composite\nmultimedia objects to be built from media objects.\n\nSpecifically, it adds audio and video objects to the classes available\nin InterViews 3.0.1\/3.1, and it does so without changing the\nsource code for the original classes (though several configuration\nfiles for InterViews need to be changed via a patch file). \n \nCurrently, the Xavier audio classes are only supported on SUN\nworkstations with an audio interface, such as the SPARCstation2.\n\nXavier has been tested in the following environments:\n\nSUN:\n  Machine : SPARCserver470 SPARCstation-IPC\n  OS      : SUN-OS4.1.1 or later\n  C++     : SUN C++ ver2.1\n\nNEC(EWS):\n  Machine : EWS4800\/210,230\n  OS      : EWS-UX\/V(Rel4.0) WSOS41 Release5.1,Release5.2\n  C++     : C++ Release3.1\n\nIt can be obtained via anonymous ftp from \n\n         interviews.stanford.edu in \/pub\/contrib\/\n          (Xavier.large-demo.tar, and Xavier.tar)\n\nWe are preparing a mailing-list for information regarding Xavier.\nIf you are interested, please contact\n               \n                   xavier@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp. \n\nI will add your e-mail address to our list.\n\n[Reference]\no Rei Hamakawa, Hizekazu Sakagami, Jun Rekimoto:\n  Audio and Video Extension to Graphical Interface Toolkits,\n  The Third International Workshop on Network and Operating\n  System Support for Digital Audio and Video, San Diego, 1992\n\n***********************************************************************\n* _                                                                   *\n*  \\ \\      Rei Hamakawa (e-mail: rei@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp)               *\n*   |o|                                                               *\n*   |o|     C & C Systems Research Laboratories                       *\n*   |o| __  NEC Corporation                                           *\n*  O| || \/  1-1, Miyazaki 4-Chome,      TEL : +81-44-856-2271         *\n*  O| || |  Miyamae-ku, Kawasaki,       FAX : +81-44-856-2232         *\n*  O| \\\/ |  Kanagawa 216 JAPAN                                        *\n*    \\__\/                                                             *\n***********************************************************************\n","2572":"From: bm562@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Richard L. Trionfo)\nSubject: Re: WFAN\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 92\nNNTP-Posting-Host: hela.ins.cwru.edu\n\n\n    I hope that this comes off as a somewhat unbiased assesment\nof WFAN and WIP(I go to school in Philadelphia, and I listen to\nboth stations on a consistant basis.)  Now that the fan has Mike\nLupica on from 10 to noon, they have a person who can get the \nbig name guests for interviews, and not just of local importance\nHe did have Dave Cheketts and Fred Wilpon on his show, but he \nhad Bob Costas and Magic Johnson on too.  \n  Now here are my opinions of the two stations competing talent:\nMorning show:\n  In my opinion, I think Imus is much better than Bruno, Cataldi, \nand Morganti, even though I would feel different if Morganti\nhad a better crew of people to work with.  To me, WIP tries\nto copy Imus but make it all sports as a theme.  In terms of\nsports, Imus lacks the blanketing of the airwaves, but he\ninterjects humor and politics into his show.\n10 AM to 12 Noon:\n  I think Chuck Cooperstein and Lupica are equal in their\nabilities to host a radio show, but I think Chuck has the\nadvantage over Lupica in terms of dealing with the caller\nwho is asking about who the local team is going to draft\nin the sixth round.  Lupica and the other hosts on FAN get\nbetter interview guests, but I heard the PD of WIP say that\nthey were not interested in interviews with celebrities unless\nit was a major story.\n  I would consider this even because they are two different\nstyles of host.\n\n12 Noon to 2 PM:\n  At this point, I would have to give a big advantage to \nJody McDonald over Len Berman because Lenny has only been\non for a couple of weeks.  I just think JM has the ability\nto transcend the \"homer\" mentality of the Philadelphia fan\nbase.  This is most evident when the IGGLES(Philadelphia \nspelling) play the Cowboys because JM is a huge Dallas fan.\nWhere else can you have people call up and predict a 93-0\nscore without the egging of the hosts(re:WIP morning 'guys')\nI do agree that JM was great on the FAN weekend overnight\nand I miss hearing him over the current crop of rotating\nhosts.  I feel that JM is the best sportstalk host on \neither station by a good margin.  If you are in NY and\nyou can't get WIP, JM does fill in on the weekends sometimes.\n\n2PM to 4PM:\n  This is the time when JM goes up against Francesa and \nRusso(fatso and froot loops) and I become the most divided\nin my loyalties.  Mike and the dog are very entertaining,\nbut they often go an hour or so without calls or even 10\nto 20 minutes without talking about sports.  MATD do\nget great guests and that is the basis for their show, so\nit is like the 10 to 12 debate.  Another plus is the\nappearances by Mike and Chris on Imus in the Morning, which\nare often hilarious.  \n\n4 PM to 7 PM:\n  MATD go up against Fredericks and Missanelli.  I like\nMike Missanelli but I just can't stomach Steve Fredericks.  \nI know that SF came from Philly originally, but when he\nwas at the FAN, he was a NY homer as much as he is a Philly\nhomer now.  I don't listen to WIP much after 4 PM unless there\nis a game on that night, but you will see later for the \nreason.  That is why I give the advantage to FAN.\n\n7 PM to Midnight:\n  S&M are on WIP until 8 and then it is the man who makes\nEli that calls MATD all the time seem like a novice on\ncharges of racism, G Cobb.  This man is so grating on my\nnerves that if I listen to him for a few minutes I go\nnuts.(I know that is biased, but listen to his show)\nOn FAN, there is usually a game on, Knicks, Rangers, Mets\nJets, or St. John's basketball.  If the game is on the\nwest coast, then it is usually Howie Rose.  Of course\nI think dead air would be better than G Cobb on WIP, but\nWIP does air Sixers and Flyers games during the season.\n(If this is the sports station, why did they lose the\nIGGLES to WYSP(home of Howard Stern in Phil.))\nDuring the summer, it\nis all talk on WIP.\n\n\nOverall, I would have to give the advantage to WFAN, with\nthe exception of 10 to 12, and 2 to 4 where it is even, and\n12 to 2 where WIP has the advantage.   \n\n\n\n            Rich\n-- \n  \"You've read the hat, now see the movie.\"\n                   -Imus in the morning \n  \"A blurb? You're a blurb!\"\n                   -Seinfeld\n","2573":"From: shaig@Think.COM (Shai Guday)\nSubject: Re: was:Go Hezbollah!\nOrganization: Thinking Machines Corporation, Cambridge MA, USA\nLines: 80\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: composer.think.com\n\nIn article <Apr16.190846.63631@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan) writes:\n|> In article <SHAIG.93Apr15220200@composer.think.com>, shaig@composer.think.com (Shai Guday) writes:\n|> \n|> That is what is so hard of South Lebanon, Israel is\n|> not fighting an army with well drawn battle lines, but a guerilla\n|> tyoe resistance which by definition and necessity blends with\n|> the local populace.  Not because they are evil cowards that\n|> use women and children as shields, but because that is the only\n|> way one can fight a more powerful better equipped occupying army.\n\nWhile that is currently true from their perspective, it is also\nworthwhile to note that in such cases the populace often does suffer\nfrom attempts to control the guerillas.  Furthermore, there were\ncases in the past of Palestinian gun emplacements being situated\nwithin villages.  The argument that can be made for small arms\nfire can not be made for field pieces.\n\n|> Hizbollah and Amal are now the main two militias.  Though\n|> Hizbollah people tend to be more committed to resistrance\n|> operation and better motivated by religious conviction.\n\nAs I recall, Amal was primarily nationalistically \"Lebanon for\nthe Lebanese\" motivated.  I think that the difference between them\nwas also a matter of funding and support.  One question does\ncome to mind however, \n\nGiven that you claim the Hizbollah to be more committed etc... and\nthat their stated position is:\n\t1.  No peace talks.\n\t2.  No peace talks.\n\t.\n\t.\n\t.\n\t.\n\tN-1. No peace talks.\n\tN.  No Israel\n\nif we assume that Lebanon and Syria are sincere in their desire for\npeace, why hasn't the Hizbollah been disarmed?\n\n|> I hope you are right on Israeli willingness to withdraw, but I still\n|> contend that withdrawal would be the better course for Israel's\n|> security, since it would reduce its  military losses, and I claim\n|> that the Lebanese and Syrian gov'ts would be able to prevent any \n|> further attacks on Northern Israel.\n\nBearing in mind the above and that military losses are more palatable\nthan civilian ones, I am sure you can understand why Israel is slow\nto act in that manner.\n\n|> |> No, the Syrian gov't is more than happy to have Israel sink into another\n|> |> Lebanese morass.  I could elaborate if necessary.\n|> \n|> Hmm...  Here we disagree on what serves Syria interests better.\n|> I think Syria wants to have Lebanon all to itself.  It would\n|> be willing to guarantee Northern Israel's security in return for\n|> Israeli withdrawal.  I don't think Syria wants Israel to be\n|> involved in its protectorate of Lebanon.  Syria is sitting at the\n|> negotiating table because it has come to accept that and wants\n|> to get a political resolution.  A renewal of hostilities\n|> along the Lebanese front could put the whole ME peace negotiations\n|> back in question.\n\nI agree that Syria wants Lebanon to be part of its greater Syria.\nI don't necessarily see that the Syrians would be unhappy to see\nIsrael up to its neck in another Lebanese morass afterwhich Syria\ncould continue on its merry schedule when Israeli public opinion\nwould lead to a second pullout.\n\n|> I agree that the loss of any human life is deplorable and regrettable.\n\n<*sigh*>\n\nWhy can't some gov'ts negotiate as easily as some people?\n\n-- \nShai Guday              | Stealth bombers,\nOS Software Engineer    |\nThinking Machines Corp. |\tthe winged ninjas of the skies.\nCambridge, MA           |\n","2574":"From: bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay)\nSubject: Re: Deir Yassin\nNntp-Posting-Host: darch\nOrganization: Rochester Institute of Technology, Rochester, NY\nLines: 103\n\nIn article <1r94f9$ge3@morrow.stanford.edu> AS.VXF@forsythe.stanford.edu (Vic Filler) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr19.204243.19392@cs.rit.edu>,\n>bdm@cs.rit.edu (Brendan D McKay) writes:\n>>\n>>I have previously posted quotations by Irgun participants that\n>>totally destroys Begin's whitewash.  I have no particular desire\n>>to post it yet again.\n>>\n>>Brendan.\n>>(normally bdm@cs.anu.edu.au)\n>\n>You apparently think you are some sort of one-man judge and jury who\n\nSo what are you?\n\n>can declare \"total\" victory and then sit back and enjoy the\n>applause.  But you've picked the wrong topic if you think a few\n>rigged \"quotations\" can sustain the legend and lie of the Deir\n>Yassin \"massacre.\"\n\nI don't think that, you are just making noise.\n\n>You have a lot to learn when it comes to historical methodology.\n\nThat's true.  I try to learn from people who know more than me,\nnot from useless farts.\n\n>At the most basic level, you should know that there is a big\n>difference between weighing evidence fairly and merely finding\n>\"quotations\" that support your preset opinions.\n\nOf course, I have said that more times in this group than\nanyone else, I'd think.\n\n>If you have studied the history of Israel at all you must know that\n>many of the sources of your \"quotations\" have an axe to grind, and\n>therefore you must be very careful about whom you \"quote.\"  For\n\nQuite true, that's why I am so careful in selecting quotes.\n\n>example, Meir Pa'il, whom you cite, was indeed a general, a scholar,\n>and a war hero.  But that doesn't mean everything that comes out of\n>his mouth is gold.  In fact (and here your lack of experience\n>shows), Pa'il is such a fanatic, embittered leftist that much of his\n\nOh bullshit.  Fanatic my bum.  Prove your blah or cork it.\n\n>anti-Israel blathering (forget about anti-Irgun blathering) would be\n>considered something like treason in non-Israel contexts.  But of\n>course you don't consider this AT ALL when you find a juicy\n>\"quotation\" that you can use to attack Israel.\n\nHow would you know what I consider?  Read my mind?\n\n>Benny Morris (of Hashomer Hatzair) represents himself as a \"scholar\"\n>when he rehashes the old attacks on the Irgun.  Don't be fooled.\n>It's just the old Zionist ideological catfight, surfacing as an\n>attack on the (then-) Likud government.  If you will look closely at\n>the section on Deir Yassin in his book on the War of Independence,\n>you will see his \"indictment\" to be pure hot air.  And this is the\n>BEST HE CAN DO after decades of digging for any sort of damning\n>evidence.  Unfortunately for him, because his book parades itself as\n>\"scholarly,\" he is forced to put footnotes.  So you can clearly see\n>that his Deir Yassin account is based on nothing.\n\nI looked very closely at a large number of sources.  You have no\nidea what you are talking about.\n\n>The Deir Yassin \"massacre\" never took place as the propagandists\n>tell it, any more than the Sabra and Shatila \"massacres.\" Do you get\n\nThat's true about the accounts of both Irgun and Arab propagandists.\nLike Begin, for example.\n\n>the feeling people like to blame the Jews for \"massacres,\" even if\n\nNo, I never got that feeling.  I got rather opposite feelings\nabout people like you, though.\n\n>they have to make them up?  It must sound spicy.  Even some Jews\n>like to do it, for reasons of their own.\n\nHonesty?  Perhaps you would explain the testimony from members\nof the Irgun, to be found in their own handwriting in the\nIrgun Archives in Tel Aviv, that the wounded Arabs were killed,\nthat a group of 80 prisoners was massacred, that Lehi proposed\nexterminating everybody at the pre-raid meeting.  Exactly what\nreasons can you propose that this testimony should be rejected\nin favour of Begin's?\n\n>Please, don't confuse any of you Deir Yassin \"massacre\" stuff\n>with facts or scholarship.  You should stick to Begin's version\n>unless you find something serious to contradict it.\n\nThis is very funny.  You carried on about unsupported evidence,\npropagandists, axes to grind, and you end up telling us to stick\nto the account of the leader of the alleged killers.  You are\nobviously a hopeless case, as everyone can plainly see.\n\n>Vic\n\nBrendan.\n\n","2575":"From: michael@iastate.edu (Michael M. Huang)\nSubject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?\nOrganization: Iowa State University, Ames IA\nLines: 21\n\nMSG is common in many food we eat, including Chinese (though some oriental\nrestaurants might put a tad too much in them).  I've noticed that when I\ngo out and eat in most of the Chinese food restaurants, I will usually get\na slight headache and an ununsual thirst afterwards.  This happens to many\nof my friends and relatives too.  And, heh, we eat Chinese food all the\ntime at home :) (but we don't use MSG when we're cooking for ourselves)\n\nSo, when we put one and one together, it can be safely assumed that\nMSG may cause some allergic reactions in some people.\n\nStick with natural things.  MSG doesn't do body any good (and possibly\nharms, for that matter).  So, why bother with it?  Taste food as it should\nbe tasted, and don't cloud the flavor with an imaginary cloak of MSG.\n\n-michael\n\n-- \nMichael M. Huang               | Don't believe what your eyes are  telling you.\nICEMT, Iowa State Univ.        | All they show is  limitation.   Look with your\nmichael@iastate.edu            | understanding, find out what you already know,\n#include <standard.disclaimer> | and you'll see the way to fly. - J. L. Seagull \n","2576":"From: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk\nSubject: An 8051 simulator - is example code available?\nReply-To: L.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk (Lloyd Wood)\nOrganization: Loughborough University, UK.\nLines: 25\n\nHello world,\n \nI'm attempting to write an 8051 simulator on an IBM PC for teaching\npurposes, so that first-year elec-eng students can 'see' the workings\nof the microcontroller as it performs operations - logical ands, for\nexample, being shown on a bit-by-bit basis (1 AND 1 = 1) so that the\nstudents can see that it's not really a mystical process, but totally\nlogical, for example. Every instruction should show some 'working',\nand not just alter register\/memory\/port contents.\n \nDoes anyone know of any freely-available example simulation code,\nin Pascal or Modula-2, that would show me where I'm going wrong\nin writing my simulator? [I'm using Ayala's -The 8051 Microcontroller-\nas a reference - the simulator supplied with the package is overkill\nfor simple teaching purposes, I feel, and there's no source code to help\nyou roll your own.]\n \nPlease email me if you can help, or if you know of somewhere more \nappropriate I should be posting this  - I rarely scan these groups.\n \nThanks,\n \nLloyd Wood\nL.H.Wood@lut.ac.uk \n\n","2577":"From: v063kcbp@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (MITCH)\nSubject: Thanks! (Backing Up Masters)\nKeywords: Misled, Confused, Advice, Comprendo!\nOrganization: University at Buffalo\nLines: 8\nNews-Software: VAX\/VMS VNEWS 1.41\nNntp-Posting-Host: ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu\n\n\n\tJust a quick THANKS to the many who explained the backing up of my\nmasters.  Apparently they are NOT copy-protected; I just used a program that\nis unable to handle high-density (old shit).  I was surprised to hear that\n\"NO programs on high-density disks have copy protection,\" which someone\nback there said.  Huh!  Learn something new every day!\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t- Mitch\n","2578":"From: u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw (jih-shin ho)\nSubject: disp135 [0\/7]\nOrganization: National Chiao Tung University\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\nLines: 285\n\n\n\nI have posted disp135.zip to alt.binaries.pictures.utilities\n\n\n******   You may distribute this program freely for non-commercial use\n         if no fee is gained.\n******   There is no warranty. The author is not responsible for any\n         damage caused by this program.\n\n\nImportant changes since version 1.30:\n    Fix bugs in file management system (file displaying).\n    Improve file management system (more user-friendly).\n    Fix bug in XPM version 3 reading.\n    Fix bugs in TARGA reading\/writng.\n    Fix bug in GEM\/IMG reading.\n    Add support for PCX and GEM\/IMG writing.\n    Auto-skip macbinary header.\n\n\n(1) Introduction:\n  This program can let you READ, WRITE and DISPLAY images with different\n  formats. It also let you do some special effects(ROTATION, DITHERING ....)\n  on image. Its main purpose is to let you convert image among different\n  formts.\n  Include simple file management system.\n  Support 'slide show'.\n  There is NO LIMIT on image size.\n  Currently this program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display.\n  If you want to use HiColor or TrueColor, you must have VESA driver.\n  If you want to modify video driver, please read section (8).\n\n\n(2) Hardware Requirement:\n  PC 386 or better. MSDOS 3.3 or higher.\n  min amount of ram is 4M bytes(Maybe less memory will also work).\n  (I recommend min 8M bytes for better performance).\n  Hard disk for swapping(virtual memory).\n\n  The following description is borrowed from DJGPP.\n\n  Supported Wares:\n\n  * Up to 128M of extended memory (expanded under VCPI)\n  * Up to 128M of disk space used for swapping\n  * SuperVGA 256-color mode up to 1024x768\n  * 80387\n  * XMS & VDISK memory allocation strategies\n  * VCPI programs, such as QEMM, DESQview, and 386MAX\n\n  Unsupported:\n\n  * DPMI\n  * Microsoft Windows\n\n  Features: 80387 emulator, 32-bit unix-ish environment, flat memory\n  model, SVGA graphics.\n\n\n(3) Installation:\n  Video drivers, emu387 and go32.exe are borrowed from DJGPP.\n  (If you use Western Digital VGA chips, read readme.wd)\n  (This GO32.EXE is a modified version for vesa and is COMPLETELY compatible\n   with original version)\n+  *** But some people report that this go32.exe is not compatible with\n+      other DJGPP programs in their system. If you encounter this problem,\n+      DON'T put go32.exe within search path.\n\n  *** Please read runme.bat for how to run this program.\n\n  If you choose xxxxx.grn as video driver, add 'nc 256' to environment\n    GO32.\n\n  For example, go32=driver x:\/xxxxx\/xxxxx.grn nc 256\n\n  If you don't have 80x87, add 'emu x:\/xxxxx\/emu387' to environment GO32.\n\n  For example, go32=driver x:\/xxxxx\/xxxxx.grd emu x:\/xxxxx\/emu387\n\n  **** Notes: 1. I only test tr8900.grn, et4000.grn and vesa.grn.\n                 Other drivers are not tested.\n              2. I have modified et4000.grn to support 8, 15, 16, 24 bits\n                 display. You don't need to use vesa driver.\n                 If et4000.grn doesn't work, please try vesa.grn.\n              3. For those who want to use HiColor or TrueColor display,\n                 please use vesa.grn(except et4000 users).\n                 You can find vesa BIOS driver from :\n                   wuarchive.wustl.edu: \/mirrors\/msdos\/graphics\n                   godzilla.cgl.rmit.oz.au: \/kjb\/MGL\n\n\n(4) Command Line Switch:\n\n+   Usage : display [-d|--display initial_display_type]\n+                   [-s|--sort sort_method]\n+                   [-h|-?]\n\n    Display type: 8(SVGA,default), 15, 16(HiColor), 24(TrueColor)\n+   Sort method: 'name', 'ext'\n\n\n(5) Function Key:\n\n    F2 : Change disk drive\n\n+   CTRL-A -- CTRL-Z : change disk drive.\n\n    F3 : Change filename mask (See match.doc)\n\n    F4 : Change parameters\n\n    F5 : Some effects on picture, eg. flip, rotate ....\n\n    F7 : Make Directory\n\n    t : Tag file\n\n    + : Tag group files (See match.doc)\n\n    T : Tag all files\n\n    u : Untag file\n\n    - : Untag group files (See match.doc)\n\n    U : Untag all files\n\n    Ins : Change display type (8,15,16,24) in 'read' & 'screen' menu.\n\n    F6,m,M : Move file(s)\n\n    F8,d,D : Delete file(s)\n\n    r,R : Rename file\n\n    c,C : Copy File(s)\n\n    z,Z : Display first 10 bytes in Ascii, Hex and Dec modes.\n\n+   f,F : Display disk free space.\n\n    Page Up\/Down : Move one page\n\n    TAB : Change processing target.\n\n    Arrow keys, Home, End, Page Up, Page Down: Scroll image.\n      Home: Left Most.\n      End: Right Most.\n      Page Up: Top Most.\n      Page Down: Bottom Most.\n      in 'screen' & 'effect' menu :\n        Left,Right arrow: Change display type(8, 15, 16, 24 bits)\n\n    s,S : Slide Show. ESCAPE to terminate.\n\n    ALT-X : Quit program without prompting.\n\n+   ALT-A : Reread directory.\n\n    Escape : Abort function and return.\n\n\n(6) Support Format:\n\n  Read: GIF(.gif), Japan MAG(.mag), Japan PIC(.pic), Sun Raster(.ras),\n        Jpeg(.jpg), XBM(.xbm), Utah RLE(.rle), PBM(.pbm), PGM(.pgm),\n        PPM(.ppm), PM(.pm), PCX(.pcx), Japan MKI(.mki), Tiff(.tif),\n        Targa(.tga), XPM(.xpm), Mac Paint(.mac), GEM\/IMG(.img),\n        IFF\/ILBM(.lbm), Window BMP(.bmp), QRT ray tracing(.qrt),\n        Mac PICT(.pct), VIS(.vis), PDS(.pds), VIKING(.vik), VICAR(.vic),\n        FITS(.fit), Usenix FACE(.fac).\n\n        the extensions in () are standard extensions.\n\n  Write: GIF, Sun Raster, Jpeg, XBM, PBM, PGM, PPM, PM, Tiff, Targa,\n         XPM, Mac Paint, Ascii, Laser Jet, IFF\/ILBM, Window BMP,\n+        Mac PICT, VIS, FITS, FACE, PCX, GEM\/IMG.\n\n  All Read\/Write support full color(8 bits), grey scale, b\/w dither,\n      and 24 bits image, if allowed for that format.\n\n\n(7) Detail:\n\n   Initialization:\n      Set default display type to highest display type.\n      Find allowable screen resolution(for .grn video driver only).\n\n   1. When you run this program, you will enter 'read' menu. Whthin this\n      menu you can press any function key except F5. If you move or copy\n      files, you will enter 'write' menu. the 'write' menu is much like\n      'read' menu, but only allow you to change directory.\n+       The header line in 'read' menu includes \"(d:xx,f:xx,t:xx)\".\n+         d : display type. f: number of files. t: number of tagged files.\n      pressing SPACE in 'read' menu will let you select which format to use\n        for reading current file.\n      pressing RETURN in 'read' menu will let you reading current file. This\n        program will automatically determine which format this file is.\n        The procedure is: First, check magic number. If fail, check\n        standard extension. Still fail, report error.\n      pressing s or S in 'read' menu will do 'Slide Show'.\n        If delay time is 0, program will wait until you hit a key\n          (except ESCAPE).\n        If any error occurs, program will make a beep.\n        ESCAPE to terminate.\n      pressing Ins in 'read' menu will change display type.\n      pressing ALT-X in 'read' menu will quit program without prompting.\n\n   2. Once image file is successfully read, you will enter 'screen' menu.\n      Within this menu F5 is turn on. You can do special effect on image.\n      pressing RETURN: show image.\n        in graphic mode, press RETURN, SPACE or ESCAPE to return to text\n        mode.\n      pressing TAB: change processing target. This program allows you to do\n        special effects on 8-bit or 24-bit image.\n      pressing Left,Right arrow: change display type. 8, 15, 16, 24 bits.\n      pressing SPACE: save current image to file.\n        B\/W Dither: save as black\/white image(1 bit).\n        Grey Scale: save as grey image(8 bits).\n        Full Color: save as color image(8 bits).\n        True Color: save as 24-bit image.\n\n        This program will ask you some questions if you want to write image\n        to file. Some questions are format-dependent. Finally This program\n        will prompt you a filename. If you want to save file under another\n        directory other than current directory, please press SPACE. after\n        pressing SPACE, you will enter 'write2' menu. You can change\n        directory to what you want. Then,\n\n        pressing SPACE: this program will prompt you 'original' filename.\n        pressing RETURN: this program will prompt you 'selected' filename\n                      (filename under bar).\n\n\n  3. This program supports 8, 15, 16, 24 bits display.\n\n  4. This Program is MEMORY GREEDY. If you don't have enough memory,\n     the performance is poor.\n\n  5. If you want to save 8 bits image :\n       try GIF then TIFF(LZW) then TARGA then Sun Raster then BMP then ...\n\n     If you want to save 24 bits image (lossless):\n       try TIFF(LZW) or TARGA or ILBM or Sun Raster\n       (No one is better for true 24bits image)\n\n  6. I recommend Jpeg for storing 24 bits images, even 8 bits images.\n\n  7. Not all subroutines are fully tested\n\n  8. This document is not well written. If you have any PROBLEM, SUGGESTION,\n     COMMENT about this program,\n     Please send to u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw (140.113.11.13).\n     I need your suggestion to improve this program.\n     (There is NO anonymous ftp on this site)\n\n\n(8) Tech. information:\n  Program (user interface and some subroutines) written by Jih-Shin Ho.\n  Some subroutines are borrowed from XV(2.21) and PBMPLUS(dec 91).\n  Tiff(V3.2) and Jpeg(V4) reading\/writing are through public domain\n    libraries.\n  Compiled with DJGPP.\n  You can get whole DJGPP package from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites.\n    For example, wuarchive.wustl.edu: \/mirrors\/msdos\/djgpp\n\n\n(9) For Thoese who want to modify video driver:\n   1. get GRX source code from SIMTEL20 or mirror sites.\n   2. For HiColor and TrueColor:\n        15 bits : # of colors is set to 32768.\n        16 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc010.\n        24 bits : # of colors is set to 0xc018.\n\n\nAcknowledgment:\n  I would like to thank the authors of XV and PBMPLUS for their permission\n    to let me use their subroutines.\n  Also I will thank the authors who write Tiff and Jpeg libraries.\n  Thank DJ. Without DJGPP I can't do any thing on PC.\n\n\n                                            Jih-Shin Ho\n                                   u7711501@bicmos.ee.nctu.edu.tw\n","2579":"From: winfrvk@dutiws.twi.tudelft.nl (R.v.Kampen)\nSubject: Re: Original IBM PC specs\nOrganization: Delft University of Technology\nLines: 15\n\nIn article <1993Apr9.101944.3200@ucbeh.san.uc.edu> hoffmamc@ucbeh.san.uc.edu writes:\n>A hard drive with XT-type controller can be added, but I recommend not trying a\n>full -height 5 1\/4\" hard drive, as I have run into trouble with the 63.5w\n>supply not having the oomph to spool up those big heavy platters.\n>\none way to get the system going with one floppy drive and one hard\ndisk on a 63 watt power supply is to first disconnect the power from\nthe floppy drive than turn on the pc, you will notice the hard drive\nhaving a real difficult time getting up to speed, but it manages.\nwhen booting is finished, plug in your floppy drive, now it will work.\n\n(ok I know this is not very user friendly, maybe you are better off\nbuying a 486-66 with 300 watt power supply or something like that)\n\nwillem\n","2580":"From: hades@coos.dartmouth.edu (Brian V. Hughes)\nSubject: Re: LCIII->PowerPC?\nReply-To: hades@Dartmouth.Edu\nOrganization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH\nDisclaimer: Personally, I really don't care who you think I speak for.\nModerator: Rec.Arts.Comics.Info\nLines: 10\n\nmirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu (David Joshua Mirsky) writes:\n\n>Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.\n>I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.\n>Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS\n>slot.  Is that true?\n\n    Don't believe the hype. There is no such thing as a PowerPC slot.\n\n-Hades\n","2581":"From: ipser@solomon.technet.sg (Ed Ipser)\nSubject: Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful, Study Finds\nNntp-Posting-Host: solomon.technet.sg\nLines: 94\n\n\n\n  Government-Mandated Energy Conservation is Unnecessary and Wastful, Study Finds\n\n  Washington, DC -- The energy tax and subsidized energy-efficiency\n  measures supported by President Clinton and Energy Secretary Hazel\n  O'Leary are based on faulty assumptions, a new study from the Cato\n  Institute points out.\n\n    According to Jerry Taylor, Cato's director of natural resource studies,\n  we are not running out of sources of energy. The world now has almost 10\n  times the proven oil reserves it had in 1950 and twice the reserves of\n  1970. Proven reserves of coal and natural gas have increased just as\n  dramatically.\n\n    When standards of living, population densities, and industrial\n  structures are controlled for, the United States is no less energy\n  efficient than Japan and more energy efficient than many of the Group\n  of Seven nations.\n\n    Energy independence provides little protection against domestic oil\n  price shocks because the energy economy is global. Moreover, since the\n  cost of oil represents only about 2 percent of gross national product,\n  even large increases in the price of oil would have little impact on the\n  overall U.S. economy.\n\n    Market economies are, on average, 2.75 times more energy efficient per\n  $1,000 of GNP than are centrally planned economies.\n\n    Utilities' subsidized energy-efficiency measurs, known as demand-side\n  management programs, encourage free riders, overuse of competing resource\n  inputs, an competitive inequities. Furthermore, DSM programs do not\n  reduce demand.\n\n    Taylor concludes that government-mandated energy conservation imposes\n  unnecessary costs on consumers and wastes, not conserves, energy; that\n  subsidizing energy-conservation technologies will stymie, not advance,\n  gains in energy conservation; and that central control over the lifeblood\n  of modern society--energy--would transfer tremendous power to the state\n  at the expense of the individual.\n\n    \"Energy Conservation and Efficiency: The Case Against Coercion\" is no.\n  189 in the Policy Analysis series published by the Cato Institute, an\n  independent public policy research organization in Washington, DC.\n\n\n\nAvailable from:\n  Cato Institute\n  224 Second Street SE\n  Washington, DC  20003\n\n\n\n---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n\n\n\n\n                        The Cato Institute\n\n    Founded in 1977, the Cato Institute is a public policy research\n  foundation dedicated to broadening the parameters of policy debate\n  to allow consideration of more options that are consistent with the\n  traditional American principles of limited government, individual\n  liberty, and peace.  To that end, the Institute strives to achieve\n  greater involvement of the intelligent, concerned lay public in \n  questions of policy and the proper role of government.\n    The Institute is named for Cato's Letters, libertarian pamphlets\n  that were widely read in the American Colonies in the early 18th\n  century and played a major role in laying the philosophical foundation\n  of the American Revolution.\n    Despite the achievement of the nation's Founders, today virtually\n  no aspect of life is free from government encroachment.  A pervasive\n  intolerance for individual rights is shown by government's arbitrary\n  intrusions into private economic transactions and its disregard for\n  civil liberties.\n    To counter that trend the Cato Institute undertakes an extensive\n  publications program that addresses the complete spectrum of policy\n  issues.  Books, monographs, and shorter studies are commissioned\n  to examine the federal budget, Social Security, regulation, military\n  spending, international trade, and myriad other issues.  Major policy\n  conferences are held throughout the year, from which papers are\n  published thrice yearly in the Cato Journal.\n    In order to maintain its independence, the Cato Institute accepts\n  no government funding.  Contributions are received from foundations,\n  corporations, and individuals, and other revenue is generated from\n  the sale of publications.  The Institute is a nonprofit, tax-exempt,\n  educational foundation under Section 501(c)3 of the Internal Revenue\n  Code.\n\n  The Cato Institute\n  224 Second Street S.E.\n  Washington, DC  20003\n","2582":"From: jgealow@mtl.mit.edu (Jeffrey C. Gealow)\nSubject: Standard Colormaps\nOrganization: MIT Microsystems Technology Laboratories\nLines: 49\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mtl.mit.edu\n\nI'm working on an X11R5 application and have concerns regarding \nstandard colormaps.\n\nThe X11R5 documentation says: \"Usually, a window manager creates \nthese colormaps.\"  I wonder what window manager the writer had \nin mind.  Neither twm or mwm seem to create standard colormaps.\n\nOf course, one can use xstdcmap to create standard colormaps.  \nHowever, xstdcmap doesn't seem to try very hard to avoid \nconflicts with the default colormap.  When I use standard \ncolormaps created by xstdcmap, the rest of my display goes black.  \nSo it seems as if use of standard colormaps causes the very \nproblem standard colormaps are intended to avoid.  Perhaps \nif every application used standard colormaps, things would \nbe wonderful.  But not many applications seem to use \nstandard colormaps.\n\nFinally, the operation of the functions XmuGetColormapAllocation, \nXmuStandardColormap, and XmuCreateColormap seem inconsistent \nwith the section 14.3 of the X11R5 XLIB documentation.\n\n    According to the section 14.3 of the X11R5 XLIB documentation (p. 436):\n\n    For GrayScale colormaps, only the colormap, red_max, red_mult, and \n    base_pixel members are defined.  The other members are ignored.  \n    To compute a GrayScale pixel value, use the following expression:\n\n            (gray * red_mult + base_pixel) &0xFFFFFFFF\n\n    XmuGetColormapAllocation, defined in mit\/lib\/Xmu\/CmapAlloc.c, is \n    used by XmuLookupStandardColormap, defined in mit\/lib\/Xmu\/LookupCmap.c\n    to select red_max, green_max, and blue_max values for the \n    call to XmuStandardColormap.  When the RGB_GRAY_MAP property is \n    specified, XmuGetColormapAllocation sets red_max to 30% of the \n    total number of cells in the gray scale, sets green_max to 59% \n    of the total number, and sets blue_max ot 11% of the total number.\n    Referring to section 14.3, one would expect XmuGetColormapAllocation \n    to set red_max to the total number of cells in the gray scale.\n\n    When the RGB_GRAY_MAP property is specified, XmuStandardColormap, \n    defined in mit\/lib\/Xmu\/StdCmap.c, sets red_mult, green_mult, \n    and blue_mult all equal to 1.  Referring to section 14.3, \n    one would expect green_mult and blue_mult to be ignored.\n\n    When red_mult, green_mult, and blue_mult all equal 1, \n    XmuCreateColormap, defined in mit\/lib\/Xmu\/CrCmap.c, constructs \n    a gray map. The sum of red_max, green_max, and blue_max gives \n    the maximum gray value.  Referring to section 14.3, on would \n    expect red_max to give the maximum gray value.\n","2583":"From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)\nSubject: Re: Wings take game one\nKeywords: The Detroit Red Wings - 6 ; The Toronto Maple Leafs - 3\nOrganization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON\nLines: 19\n\nIn <1qvos8$r78@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> vergolin@euler.lbs.msu.edu (David Vergolini) writes:\n\n>  The Detroit Red Wings put a lot of doubter on ice tonight with a 6 - 3\n>washing of the Toronto Maple Leafs.  All you Toronto fans have now seen the\n>power of the mighty Red Wing offense.  Toronto's defense in no match for the\n>Wing offense.  As for the defense, Probert, Kennedey and Primeau came out\n\nDid they move Probert back to defense?  Why did I see him parking his ass\nin front of Potvin all night?  Somebody is going to have to discipline\nProbert if the Leafs want to win the series.  Perhaps a fresh Clark should\nhit the ice at the end of a long Probert shift and straigten him out for\na while...\n\n\n-- \n\ncordially, as always,                      maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca \n                                           \"So many morons...\nrm                                                   ...and so little time.\" \n","2584":"From: cka52397@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (CarolinaFan@uiuc)\nSubject: Re: Most bang for between $13,000 and $16,000\nArticle-I.D.: news.C51s16.ACz\nOrganization: University of Illinois at Urbana\nLines: 17\n\nrmt6r@faraday.clas.Virginia.EDU (Roy Matthew Thigpen) writes:\n\n\n>Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six.\n>it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and\n>ABS, with four wheel disk breaks.  The LH cars won Automobile \n>magazines \n>\"automobile of the year\" award, and are quiet impressive.\n\n\tIs the 24v LH under $16K, though?\n\n\n-- \nChintan Amin  The University of Illinois\/Urbana Champaign mail: llama@uiuc.edu\n******************************************************************************\n*\"Because he was human      Because he had goodness      Because he was moral*\n***************They called him insane...\"  Peart \"Cinderella Man\"*************\n","2585":"From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)\nSubject: Re: New Study Out On Gay Percentage\nOrganization: Pendor, UnLtd.\nLines: 35\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: nwfocus.wa.com\nComments: \nOriginator: elf@halcyon.com\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.200354.8045@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>\n     rscharfy@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Ryan C Scharfy) writes:\n\n>Actually, I bet you more gay\/bi men are as not as promiscuous as gay men, \n>because more of them could have the \"option\" of living a straight life, and \n>with social pressures, probably would at least try.\n\n   Geez, where have you been, Ryan?  I proposed this theory *months*\nago.  Let's take it one step further, even.  If, as the surveys show,\nup to 33% of all men have *had* a homosexual encounter, then there must\nbe an even *larger* percentage of people who have had homosexual erotic\nfantasies.  But if less than 10% of the population is gay, what can we\nsay about these people who don't identify as gay but have demonstrated\ngay potential.  Obviously, a large chunk of these people *chose* (or,\nmore accurately, were forced to choose by force of religion and social\nsanction) to put those feelings aside, to be heterosexual.\n\n   Obviously, Cramer and Kaldis fall into this category.\n\n   These people are the ones who are so hung up on \"choice.\"\nObviously, since *they chose*, everyone must have, and homosexuals are\njust flaunting their \"perversion\" by choosing not to go along with what\nsociety has dictated.\n\n   Of course, I'm that most awful of perverts.  I chose, I gleefully\nadmit that I was heterosexual until I met the right man and *chose* to\nindulge in my homoerotic potential.  Take that!\n\n      Elf !!!\n--\nelf@halcyon.com  (Elf Sternberg)\n\n   \"The purpose of writing is to inflate weak ideas, obscure pure\nreasoning, and inhibit clarity.  With a little pratice, writing can be\nan intimidating and impenetrable fog!\"  - Bill Watterson's Calvin.\n","2586":"From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)\nSubject: Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2\nIn-Reply-To: denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu's message of 19 Apr 93 18:23:27 -0400\nReply-To: pmetzger@lehman.com\nOrganization: Lehman Brothers\nLines: 102\n\n\ndenning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Quisling) writes:\n\n   Each chip includes the following components:\n\n      the Skipjack encryption algorithm\n      F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips\n      N, a 30-bit serial number\n      U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip\n\nHmmm. A thirty bit serial number. And, we are told, the unit key U is\nderived deterministically from this serial number. That means that\nthere are only one billion possible unit keys.\n\n   To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is\n   first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1.\n   S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a\n   64-bit block R1:\n\n\t   R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] .\n\n   Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and\n   N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed:  \n\n\t   R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1] \n\t   R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] .\n\n   R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The\n   first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2.  The\n   rest are discarded.  The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2.  U1 and U2\n   are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow\n   agencies.\n\nHmmm. We must assume that generating the unit key U from the serial\nnumber N rather than generating it from a randomly selected U1 and U2\nis an intentional way of assuring a \"fail safe\" for the government --\nU is completedly determined given S1, S2 and N. If S1 and S2 do not\nchange they constitute effective \"master keys\" (along with F), the\ntheft of which (or the possession of which by various authorities)\ncompletely obviates the security of the system. However, more\ninterestingly, we know, for a fact that if S1 and S2 are fixed no\nmatter what the keyspace for U is no more than 2^30. Why not pick U1\nand U2 at random? Why this interesting restriction of they key space\nif it NOT to provide an additional back door?\n\nI find it disturbing that at the very best my security is dependant on\napproximately 30 bytes worth of information that could be written on\nthe back of a napkin.\n\nEven if S1 and S2 change periodically, the rationale behind this\nrestriction in the size of the keyspace seems strange if one is\nassuming that the goal is security -- and makes perfect sense if the\ngoal is an illusion of security.\n\nIf S1 and S2 do not change, even if they remain secret I wonder if\nthey can somehow be back-derived given enough unit key\/serial number\npairs. We are assured that this cannot happen -- but no one\nunderstands how Skipjack works outside of government officials and,\nsoon, foreign intelligence services that gain the information via\nespionage. Presumably we will eventually have the information as well\n-- reverse engineering gets more and more advanced every year -- but\nby the time we know it may be too late.\n\n   As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are\n   written onto three separate floppy disks.  The first disk contains a\n   file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part\n   U1.  The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values.  The third\n   disk contains the unit keys U.  Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent\n   2 takes the second disk.  The third disk is used to program the chips.\n   After the chips are programmed, all information is discarded from the\n   vault and the agents leave.  The laptop may be destroyed for additional\n   assurance that no information is left behind.\n\nNone of this makes me feel the least bit secure. The silly notion of\n\"destroying the laptop\" appears to be yet another bizarre distraction.\nWe all know that you can't read data from DRAM that has been turned\noff for more than a few moments. On the other hand, what we don't know\nis why there is a need to generate the unit keys from S1 and S2 in the\nfirst place other than to weaken the system. We don't know if the\nagents in question would resist a million in cash a piece for their\ninformation -- its probably worth hundreds of million, so you can make\nthe bribe arbitrarily hard to resist. And to tell you the truth, doing\nthis in a \"vault\" rather than in Joe Random Tempest-shielded Room\nwith a laptop computer seems like melodrama designed to make\nhigh-school dropouts from Peoria impressed -- but it does very little\nfor most of the rest of us.\n\n   The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the\n   room instead of two.  The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2,\n   and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to\n   the escrow agencies.\n\nWhat would this provide? Lets say the escrow agencies are the ACLU and\nthe NRA and their agents personally take back the disks and are always\nhonest. Who cares? The NSA must be laughing out loud, because they\nhave the algorithm to regenerate U given N and likely don't need to\nsteal they keys as they effectively already have them.\n\n--\nPerry Metzger\t\tpmetzger@shearson.com\n--\nLaissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.\n","2587":"From: Young-Soo Che <yc25+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: NHLPA poll (partial stats\/results)\nOrganization: Freshman, H&SS general, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 6\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <1800@muller.loria.fr>\n\nAll these people who send in their polls should take a closer look at\nNJD, they are a very deep team, with two very capable goalies, and\nexcellent forwards and defensemen.  Shooter in Richer, an all around do\nit all in Todd, chef Stasny-master of a thousand dishes, power play\ncaptain-Stevens.  Take a look at the numbers, or play with them and see\nfor yourselves.\n","2588":"Subject: Re: Cable TVI interference\nFrom: ganter@ifi.unibas.ch (Robert Ganter)\nOrganization: Institut fuer Informatik\nNntp-Posting-Host: schroeder.ifi.unibas.ch\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <1qevrf$4t@hpscit.sc.hp.com>  writes:\n> \n> As is typical nowadaze, you will probably have to do somebody else's job\n> for them. Although this shouldn't be needed, you might take a few minutes\n> to wander around the neighborhood with an HT sniffing for cable leakage\n> on your freq. after shutting down your system for a while. \n> \n> If you are fortunate enough to the find the hole, call the cable company and\n> get the highest link in the chain of command you can. Explain the problem,\n> whose job it really is to maintain THEIR equipment, and how much of a nice\n> guy you are to have tracked down THEIR problem for them.\n> \n> You may have been lucky and made a new contact that could be helpful in the\n> future.\n> \n> You should always try the 'honey' approach before bringing out the\n> Jack Nicholson impressions.....  >:-)\n> \n> This has worked for me in the past with the power company when tring to \n> find loose\/noisy high voltage lines\/hardware. Only once did I have to\n> tell them I was narrowing the problem down to a specific pole by bumping\n> a whole line of poles with my car. Got 'em out there THAT NIGHT. And, they\n> didn't have to meet Jack!\n> \n> As a disclaimer, THEIR method for finding loose hardware was usually\n> whacking the poles with a huge sledgehammer after their high tech arc-\n> finding 'scope couldn't find the problem.\n> \n> \n> \n> Bill\n> wb6 rotten zucchini garden\n\nHere in switzerland, the situation is exactly the same. The cable tv companies  \neven tried to stop amateur radio in switzerland in the beginning of cable  \ntv(they seem to be too stupid to know anything about international frequency  \nconferences or so). Even today, they use the cheapest possible coax running  \ninto problems they can't solve anymore. As Bill noted, the only way is to look  \nfor a solution with the neighbours *BEFORE* calling for the cable tv guys or  \nthe fcc. The chance to find neighbours with some sense for reason is by far  \nbigger than with these people (especially the first ones). As anywhere in an  \nadministration people don't like, if You tell them to work for the money they  \nget...\nThe problem is, that radio amateurs don't have the power to put trough their  \nrights in all cases. So let's hope they start soon with optical fibers and get  \nout of our freqencies.\n\n\nCheers   Robert  (HB9NBY)\n--\nRobert Ganter\t\t\t\/------------\\\nUniversitaet Basel\t\t| I am a fan |\nInstitut fuer Informatik\t| of my plan |\nBasel\/Switzerland\t\t\\------------\/\nganter@ifi.unibas.ch\namateurradio: HB9NBY\tpacket: HB9NBY@HB9EAS.CHE.EU\n","2589":"From: dr_bobo@ponton.hanse.de (Boris Pruessmann)\nSubject: RE: VGA-Scrolling ?\nOrganization: Ponton European Media Art Lab, Hamburg\nLines: 12\n\nHi !\n\nIf you want to have Soft-Scrolling on your VGA, you have to change some \nintern registers of the CRTC. But it is a little bit difficult to explain, \nso I would suggest, you take a look at \"The Programming of the \nEGA\/VGA-Adapter\" by Addison-Wesley. You will find all useful descriptions \nfor every available VGA-Register.\n\n-Boris\n\n---\ndr_bobo@ponton.hanse.de                 ---> Boris Pruessmann\n","2590":"From: vic@mmalt.guild.org (Vic Kulikauskas)\nSubject: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell)\nOrganization: Kulikauskas home\nLines: 11\n\nOur Moderator writes:\n\n> I'm inclined to read descriptions such as the lake of fire as \n> indicating annihilation. However that's a minority view.\n...\n> It's my personal view, but the only denominations I know of that hold \n> it officially are the JW's and SDA's.\n\nI can't find the reference right now, but didn't C.S.Lewis speculate \nsomewhere that hell might be \"the state of once having been a human \nsoul\"?\n","2591":"From: markus@octavia.anu.edu.au (Markus Buchhorn)\nSubject: Re: HDF readers\/viewers\nOrganization: Australian National University, Canberra\nLines: 22\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: 150.203.5.35\nOriginator: markus@octavia\n\n\nI wrote...\n> \n> G'day all,\n> \n> Can anybody point me at a utility which will read\/convert\/crop\/whatnot\/\n> display HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA \n> and it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage\n> approaches and minimalist documentation :-)\n\nand it has since turned out that all the mirror sites I looked at were \nfooled by a restructuring at the original site - zaphod.ncsa.uiuc.edu - \nand hence were in a mess. That and a pointer to 'imconv' should get\nme started. Ta muchly.\n\nCheers\n\tMarkus\n-- \nMarkus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility\nemail = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au\nAustralian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia.\n[International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]\n","2592":"From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton\/Gore '92)\nSubject: CLINTON: President's Public Schedule 4.15.93\nOrganization: Project GNU, Free Software Foundation,\n    675 Mass. Ave., Cambridge, MA  02139, USA +1 (617) 876-3296\nLines: 51\nNNTP-Posting-Host: life.ai.mit.edu\n\n\n\n                         THE WHITE HOUSE\n\n                  Office of the Press Secretary\n                                                                  \nFor Immediate Release                              March 14, 1993\n\n\n          PUBLIC EVENTS ON THE PRESIDENT'S SCHEDULE FOR\n          THURSDAY, APRIL 15, 1993\n     \t     \n     10:20 am EST   The President meets with Leadership of Law \t  \n               enforcement organizations -- The Rose           \t  \n     Garden\n     \t       \t    \t \n     \t       \t    \t      OPEN PRESS\n\n     3:00 AM EDT    The President meets with the National      \t  \n     \t  Ambassador for the March of Dimes Birth      \t    \t \n     Defects Foundation -- The Oval Office\n     \t  \n     \t       \t    \t TV POOL, OPEN STILL PHOTO, WRITING POOL\n     \n     3:15 AM EDT    The President meets with Mosaic Minstrels of \n     \t       \t    New York, NY -- The Rose Garden\n\n     \t       \t    \t OPEN PHOTO, WRITING POOL\n\n     3:30 AM EDT    The President meets with the Berwick, PA, \t  \n     \t       High School Bulldogs, AAA State Football      \t  \n     \t  Champions -- The South Lawn\n\n     \t       \t    \t OPEN PHOTO, WRITING POOL\n\n     \t       \t               UPCOMING EVENTS ON THE PRESIDENT'S \nSCHEDULE\n\n     \t       \t    \t \n     \t       \n     \t       April 16, 1993      The President meets with \t \n     \t       \t    \t      Japanese Prime Minister  \t    \t \n     \t       \t    \t Miyazawa, The White House\n\n     \t       April 26, 1993      President Clinton meets with   \n     \t       \t    \t      President Amato of Italy, The \t \n     \t       \t    \t      White House\n\n                            -30-30-30\n\n\n","2593":"From: hambidge@bms.com\nSubject: Re: Some more about gun control...\nReply-To: hambidge@bms.com\nOrganization: Bristol-Myers Squibb\nLines: 51\n\nIn article <C5L0n2.5LL@ulowell.ulowell.edu>, jrutledg@cs.ulowell.edu (John Lawrence Rutledge) writes:\n>\n>So the phrase \"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall \n>not be infringed\" must either qualify or explain the phrase \"a well \n>regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state.\"  \n\n[stuff deleted]\n\n>Since \"the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be\n>infringed\" does not describe, modify or make less harsh anything and\n>it has nothing to do with grammar or some sort of position or task.\n>By process of elimination it must fall into definition #3.  And since\n>#3 deals with legal power, the same thing the Constitution does, it\n>must be the correct definition in this case.  Therefore, \"the right \n>of the people to keep and bear Arms\" gives legal power to the \"well \n>regualated militia\" and this legal power \"shall not be infringed\".  \n\nAh, clarification by obfuscation.\n\nActually, the words \"A well regulated Milita, being necessary to the\nsecurity of a free state\" is a present participle, used as an\nadjective to modify 'militia', which is followed by the main clause of\nthe sentence, the subject being 'the right', the verb 'shall'.  It\nasserts that the right to keep and bear arms is essential for\nmaintaining a milita.  The sentence doesn't restrict the right, or\nstate or imply possession of the right by anyone or anything other\nthan the people.  All it does is make a positive statement regarding a\nright of the people. The PEOPLE, as in you and me, as in the First,\nFourth, Ninth, Tenth, as well as the Second amendment.\nThe existence of this right is assumed - it is not granted by the\namendment. There is no stated or implied condition relating the right\nto bear arms to the necessity of a well-regulated militia to the security of\na free state.\nIn other words, the entire sentence says that the right to keep and\nbear arms is UNCONDITIONAL.\n\n\n>So in effort not to force my views and not \"to destory our Liberties and\n>Rights,\"  I state that nothing I have written, or will write, in\n>the matter of \"Liberties and Rights\" is the final word.  For I am only\n>one person among many and the final word on \"Liberties and Rights\" cleary\n>and irrevocably belongs to the many.\n\nThe final word on liberties and rights should not belong \"to the\nmany\".  That is why we have a Constitution.  Otherwise, a tyrrany of\nthe majority can ensue from \"popular\" opinion, a concept which you\nshould be familiar with from the Federalist papers.\n\nAl\n[standard disclaimer]\n\n","2594":"Subject: .GL and .FLI specs\nFrom: arthur@qedbbs.com (Arthur Choung)\nOrganization: The QED BBS, Lakewood CA\nLines: 6\n\nCan somebody point out to me where I can find the specs for .GL and .FLI files\nfound on PC's?\n\n------------------------------\narthur@qedbbs.com (Arthur Choung)  or  qed!arthur\nThe QED BBS -- (310)420-9327\n","2595":"From: dsc3jfs@imc10 (John F Skoda)\nSubject: How do I change the Text cursor in xterm\nOrganization: {not speaking for the } National Naval Medical Center\nLines: 20\nNntp-Posting-Host: imc10.med.navy.mil\nX-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]\n\n\n I have just finished building X11R5 on a 386 running Interactive Unix (SysVR3)\nand I am having a problem with xterm.  On any font larger that 5x7 it messes up\ncharacters that are types, the cursor seems to be \"too\" large, or splits into\na 1\/2 reverse video, 1\/2 outline block (which changes when the pointer is moved\ninto the window).  I am trying to use monospaced fonts (not -p- fonts).  Is\nthere any way of changing the appearence of the block cursor is an Xterm?\n\n Thanks\n    \n\n--\n------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n-- John F Skoda                            | Windows NT, OS\/2 for the 90's. \n-- electronic learning facilitators, inc.  | C++, Cobol for the 21st century.\n-- Bethesda, MD                            | Use Ada, Unix, and other socially\n-- dsc3jfs@imc10.med.navy.mil\t\t   | unacceptable systems. \n-- dsc3jfs@imc30.med.navy.mil              | (and before you flame, I'm an\n-------------------------------------------| Expos fan... ...need I say more?)\nwith DISCLAIMER_PACKAGE;\n","2596":"From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)\nSubject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)\nKeywords: CB900C, purchase, advice\nOrganization: North Carolina State University, Project Eos\nLines: 33\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.142831.13635@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:\n>--\n>In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu \n>(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:\n>|>>\n>|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull\n>|>>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,\n>|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).\n>|>>\n>|>>\tDoes this count?\n>|>\n>|>Yes.  He thought about it.\n>|>>\n>|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s \"HAHAHHA\" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press\n>|>>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t return...)\n>\n>Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even \n>tried to get my FAQ's straight.  Don't holler BOHICA at me!\n> \nAround here, even mentioning the DoD without a number in your .sig\ncan get you soundly FAQed.  Notice, however, that I myself did\nnot FAQ the careful monk.  He was, after all, waiting to press return.\n\n\nJack Waters II\nDoD#1919\n\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~\n~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~\n~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\n\n\n","2597":"From: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux)\nSubject: Re: LCIII->PowerPC?\nReply-To: andrem@pyrtech.mis.pyramid.com (Andre Molyneux)\nOrganization: Pyramid Technologies, Mt. View, California.\nLines: 34\n\nIn article <1qksuq$1tt8@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu>, mirsky@hal.gnu.ai.mit.edu\n(David Joshua Mirsky) writes:\n|> Hi. I own an LCIII and I recently heard an interesting rumor.\n|> I heard that the LCIII has a built in slot for a PowerPC chip.\n|> Is this true? I heard that the slot is not the same as the PDS\n|> slot.  Is that true?\n|> \n|> Thanks\n|> David Mirsky\n|> mirsky@gnu.ai.mit.edu\n\nWell, I also have an LC III.  Popping the top revealed:\n\n\tOne \"socket\" for an additional VRAM SIMM\n\n\tOne \"socket\" for a 72-pin RAM SIMM\n\n\tOne socket for a flat-pack FPU\n\n\tA processor-direct slot (PDS) identical to the LC\/LC II, but with\n\tan additional set of connetions to one side (for the full 32-bit\n\tdata path that the LC\/LC II lacked\n\nThat's it.  I guess a board with a PowerPC chip could be made that would fit\nin the PDS, but that's the only place.\n\n+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+\n| Andre Molyneux   KA7WVV     \"Insert your favorite disclaimer here\"       |\n+-----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+\n|      -=-------- PYRAMID TECHNOLOGY CORP |Internet:                       |\n|    ---===------ 3860 N. First Street    |  andrem@pyramid.com            |\n|  -----=====---- San Jose, CA            |Packet:                         |\n|-------=======-- (408) 428-8229          |  ka7wvv@n0ary.#nocal.ca.usa.na |\n+-----------------------------------------+--------------------------------+\n","2598":"From: agr00@ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)\nSubject: Re: Info about New Age!\nReply-To: agr00@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com (Anthony G Rose)\nOrganization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA\nLines: 12\n\nIn article <1qvnu9$a8a@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> hawk@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu writes:\n>Greetings!  Could anybody here give me any information about New Age religion?\n>About the history, the teachings, ...???  Or may be suggestions what books I \n>should read in order to get those info?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.\n\n\nContact:   WATCHMAN FELLOWSHIP\n           P.O. Box 171194\n           Holladay, UT 84117-1194\n\nAsk for their book:  The New Age and Space Age Heresies\n                     The New Age In Our Schools\n","2599":"From: ski@wpi.WPI.EDU (Joseph Mich Krzeszewski)\nSubject: Re: Krillean Photography\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute\nLines: 12\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\n\nI seem to recall that there was an article in Radio Electronics about this\nsubject. In fact I have a copy of the article in front of me, but I can't\nfind anywhere in the article a refrence as to what month it was in. The system\nthey describe uses an automobile ignition coil for the high voltage. The \narticle even includes some information on what kind of film to use and where \nto get it. \n\nHope this helps.\n\nJoseph M. Krzeszewski\nski@WPI.wpi.edu\n\n","2600":"From: marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu (Kevin Marshall)\nSubject: Re: some thoughts.\nOrganization: Virginia Tech Computer Science Dept, Blacksburg, VA\nLines: 72\nNNTP-Posting-Host: csugrad.cs.vt.edu\nKeywords: Dan Bissell\n\nbissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:\n\n>\tSome reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows.  Who would \n>die for a lie?  Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar?  People \n>gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing \n>someone who was or had been healed.  Call me a fool, but I believe he did \n>heal people.  \n\nAnyone who dies for a \"cause\" runs the risk of dying for a lie.  As for\npeople being able to tell if he was a liar, well, we've had grifters and\ncharlatans since the beginning of civilization.  If David Copperfield had\nbeen the Messiah, I bet he could have found plenty of believers.  \nJesus was hardly the first to claim to be a faith healer, and he wasn't the\nfirst to be \"witnessed.\"  What sets him apart?\n\n>\tNiether was he a lunatic.  Would more than an entire nation be drawn \n>to someone who was crazy.  Very doubtful, in fact rediculous.  For example \n>anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see \n>this right away.\n\nRubbish.  Nations have followed crazies, liars, psychopaths, and \nmegalomaniacs throughout history.  Hitler, Tojo, Mussolini, Khomeini,\nQadaffi, Stalin, Papa Doc, and Nixon come to mind...all from this century.\nKoresh is a non-issue.\n\n\n>\tTherefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the \n>real thing.  \n\nTake a discrete mathematics or formal logic course.  There are flaws in your\nlogic everywhere.  And as I'm sure others will tell you, read the FAQ!\n\n\n>\tSome other things to note.  He fulfilled loads of prophecies in \n>the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone.  This in his betrayal \n>and Crucifixion.  I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I \n>write I will use it.\n\nOf course, you have to believe the Bible first.  Just because something is\nwritten in the Bible does not mean it is true, and the age of that tome plus\nthe lack of external supporting evidence makes it less credible.  So if you\ndo quote from the Bible in the future, try to back up that quote with \nsupporting evidence.  Otherwise, you will get flamed mercilessly.\n\n\n>\tI don't think most people understand what a Christian is.  It \n>is certainly not what I see a lot in churches.  Rather I think it \n>should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's \n>sake.  He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the \n>same.  Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives \n>over to him.  That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a \n>real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at.  But \n>just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes \n>time.  We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.  \n>It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in \n>a while.  We box everything into time units.  Such as work at this \n>time, sports, Tv, social life.  God is above these boxes and should be \n>carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for \n>ourselves.  \t  \n\nJust like weight lifting or guitar playing, eh?  I don't know how you \ndefine the world \"total,\" but I would imagine a \"total sacrafice [sp]\nof everything for God's sake\" would involve more than a time commitment.\n\nYou are correct about our tendency to \"box everything into time units.\"\nWould you explain HOW one should involove God in sports and (hehehe)\ntelevision?\n-- \n---                      __  _______                              ---\n||| Kevin Marshall       \\ \\\/ \/_  _\/  Computer Science Department |||\n||| Virginia Tech         \\  \/ \/ \/     marshall@csugrad.cs.vt.edu |||\n--- Blacksburg, Virginia   \\\/ \/_\/                  (703) 232-6529 ---\n","2601":"From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)\nSubject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die\nOrganization: CS Dept, University of Texas at Austin\nLines: 29\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: cash.cs.utexas.edu\n\nIn article <1qmi34$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:\n>In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:\n[...]\n>>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we\n>>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or\n>>how long it would take me to push my horn button??\n>\n[...]\n>\n>The answer is 161.33 feet.\n>\n>---\n>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,\n[...]\n\nTry something like 24.2 feet. \n\nEdGetACalculator\n\n\n\n-----\nTommy McGuire\nmcguire@cs.utexas.edu\nmcguire@austin.ibm.com\n\n\"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,\nidentifying it as personal and as independent of IBM....\"\n\n","2602":"From: schock@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Craig Schock)\nSubject: Re: Smiths birthday goal was LEAFS GO ALL THE WAY !!!\nOrganization: University of Calgary Computer Science\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <C5JunA.4vH@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) writes:\n>In article <C4wty9.40u@mcs.anl.gov> mwm@aps.anl.gov writes:\n>>In article 5KL@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca, kwk2chow@descartes.uwaterloo.ca (KEVIN C.) writes:\n>>> (Thanks for the goals by Steve Smith) \n>>I don't see why more people don't blame grant fuhr for the goal that smith \n>>put in his own net, it's common to play the puck back to your own goalie when\n>>deep in your own end and under little or no pressure from the offensive team.\n>>If fuhr had been in position the puck would have never crossed the line.\n>>\n>>Mike McDowell\n>\n>I have to disagree with you on this one.  It is anything BUT common.  In the\n>4 or 5 years I have been watching hockey I have NEVER seen this happen EVER.\n>\n>I am not sure what league you have been watching.  :-)\n>\n>Anyone else agree with this?\n\nYes, Colin... I have to agree with you here...  I've put the puck in\nmy own net the same way Smith did... (only once, mind you :-) and it\nwas definitely my fault.  It is NOT a common play to play the puck the\nway that Smith did.  \n\nLuckily, for me...  when I did it... it was only a scrimmage :-)\n\nCraig\n","2603":"From: klopfens@andy.bgsu.edu (Bruce Klopfenstein)\nSubject: Ind. Source Picks Baerga Over Alomar: Case Closed \nOrganization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh.\nDistribution: na\nLines: 13\n\nfester@island.COM (Mike Fester) writes:\n> \n> I'd say you could make a good for them being about equal right now. T&P\n> rated Baerga higher, actually.\n> \n> Mike\n> -- \nFinally, an objective source.  Alomar's a great player, but so is Baerga.\nNice to see the objective source cited rather than \"my dad's bigger than\nyour dad\" posts.\n\nBK\n\n","2604":"From: Nanci Ann Miller <nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu>\nSubject: Re: Bible Quiz\nOrganization: Sponsored account, School of Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA\nLines: 14\n\t<kmr4.1582.734882394@po.CWRU.edu>\nNNTP-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu\nIn-Reply-To: <kmr4.1582.734882394@po.CWRU.edu>\n\nkmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan) writes:\n>         Would you mind e-mailing me the questions, with the pairs of answers?\n> I would love to have them for the next time a Theist comes to my door!\n\nI'd like this too... maybe you should post an answer key after a while?\n\nNanci\n\n.........................................................................\nIf you know (and are SURE of) the author of this quote, please send me\nemail (nm0w+@andrew.cmu.edu):\nIt is better to be a coward for a minute than dead for the rest of your\nlife.\n\n","2605":"From: dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian)\nSubject: Re: Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #010\nOrganization: S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.050956.25141@freenet.carleton.ca> aa624@Freenet.carleton.\nca (Suat Kiniklioglu) [a.k.a. Kubilay Kultigin] writes:\n\n[KK] david\n\nYes?\n\n[KK] give it a rest. will you ???\n\nNo.\n\n[KK] it is increasingly becoming very annoying...\n\nBarbarism is rather annoying for you, now isn't it, especially when it comes \nfrom from a country, Azerbaijan, that claims Turkey as its number one ally, \nprotector, and mentor!\n\n\n-- \nDavid Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org   | \"How do we explain Turkish troops on\nS.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies |  the Armenian border, when we can't \nP.O. Box 382761                      |  even explain 1915?\" \nCambridge, MA 02238                  |              Turkish MP, March 1992 \n","2606":"From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)\nSubject: What about No-Fault?\nOrganization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Group, Seattle\nLines: 14\n\n\nInsurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage.  Since the\nmajority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we\nwould have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system?\n\nWith a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the\nlegal costs out of the system.  But it looks like motorcyclists would\nget screwed.\n\n\n-- \nMichael \"Chuck\" Bain                       meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com  \n----------------------------------------------------------------------\n\t\t     \"Semi-Loud Pipes Save Lives\"\n","2607":"From: ddf@mips.com (Dee Dee France)\nSubject: European\/Russian Hockey team addresses?\nOrganization: Silicon Graphics, Inc\nLines: 56\nNNTP-Posting-Host: ralph.mti.sgi.com\nOriginator: ddf@ralph.mti.sgi.com\n\nDoes anyone have the addresses to any of the following hockey teams\nlocated in the Czech\/Slovak Republics, Finland, Russia or Sweden?\nAny information on how to find these addresses would also be appreciated.\n\nAik\nAssat\nBrynas\nBudejovice\nChelabinsk\nDjurgarden\nDynamo\nEskulap\nEspoo\nFarjestad\nFrolunda\nHPK\nHV-71\nHifk\nIlves\nJYP HT\nJihlava\nJokerit\nJokp\nKalpa\nKhimik\nKladno\nKristall\nLada\nLeksand\nLitvinov\nLukko\nLulea\nMalmo\nMetallurg\nModo\nOlomouc\nPardubice\nRed Army\nRogle\nSkoda\nSlovan\nSoviet Wings\nSparta\nSpartak\nTPS\nTappara\nTrencin\nTuto\nVantaa\nVasteras\nYaroslavl\nZlin\n\n-- \nDee Dee France\nddf@sgi.com \n","2608":"From: jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com (Jon Ogden)\nSubject: Re: Losing your temper is not a Christian trait\nOrganization: Motorola LPA Development\nLines: 26\n\nIn article <Apr.23.02.55.47.1993.3138@geneva.rutgers.edu>, jcj@tellabs.com\n(jcj) wrote:\n\n> I'd like to remind people of the withering of the fig tree and Jesus\n> driving the money changers et. al. out of the temple.  I think those\n> were two instances of Christ showing anger (as part of His human side).\n> \nYes, and what about Paul saying:\n\n26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:\n(Ephesians 4:26).\n\nObviously then, we can be angry w\/o sinning.\n\nJon\n\n------------------------------------------------\nJon Ogden         - jono@mac-ak-24.rtsg.mot.com\nMotorola Cellular - Advanced Products Division\nVoice: 708-632-2521      Data: 708-632-6086\n------------------------------------------------\n\nThey drew a circle and shut him out.\nHeretic, Rebel, a thing to flout.\nBut Love and I had the wit to win;\nWe drew a circle and took him in.\n","2609":"From: pk@wet.UUCP (Philip King)\nSubject: PC, NETWORK and OFFICE EQUIPMENT - LONG (Repost, Lower Prices!)\nKeywords: PC,LAN,Novell,ethernet,IBM,laser,copier\nDistribution: na\nOrganization: Wetware Diversions, San Francisco\nLines: 161\n\n\nNEW POSTING, LOWER PRICES!!  MAKE OFFERS ON ANYTHING THAT SEEMS INTERESTING!!\n\n\n\nA company I'm associated with is closing out some inventory and office\nequipment.  Here's what's available:\n\n\nQuan.          Item                     Description               Price ea.\n\n\n        ******* NEW ADDITIONS!! ********\n\n1             NOVELL              * 100 USER * version of         BEST OFFER\n              NETWARE 2.15        ADVANCED NETWARE 286, with\n              TTS, SFT II         System Fault Tolerance level    (Remember\n                                  II (Disk Duplexing, Mirroring),  v2.2 sells\n                                  Transaction Tracking (Fault      for $3000\n                                  Tolerant File System), etc.      for 100\n                                  Just the manuals alone take      users!\n                                  up a foot and a half of shelf\n                                  space!\n\n1             HAYES LANSTEP       HAYES Peer-to-Peer LAN            $40\n              Starter Package     OPERATING SYSTEM and email.\n                                  NetBIOS compatible, expands\n                                  up to 128 users. UNOPENED.\n\n1             Canon NP1010        Great little COPY MACHINE -       $200\n                                  makes great copies (just needs\n                                  toner)  Reduce, Enlarge, etc.\n                                  Very Good Condition, a bargain!\n \n(End of new items)\n\n2       Bytex RingOut             Token Ring Cable and MAU     (Was $750)\n                                  testing and certification\n                                  tool.  This is the standard  NOW: $625\n                                  HANDHELD TESTING UNIT used\n                                  by large companies such as\n                                  Coca Cola and American Express\n                                  to certify their physical layer.\n                                  Current retail price: $1495.\n                                  These are demo or NEW.\n\n1       Microtest Lanmodem        Excellent MODEM SERVER for Novell (Was\n                                  Networks.  Supports \"Remote LAN    $900)\n                                  Node\" indial, modem pooling, and\n                                  LAN to LAN asynchronous routing.   NOW:\n                                  Ethernet version.  Current retail  $750\n                                  price: $2000\n\n13      Microtest Lanport         Standalone ETHERNET PRINT    WAS: $200\n        AUI --> COM1              SERVER for Novell Networks\n                                  (The Intel NetportII is      NOW: $150 ea.\n                                  based on this.  Original\n                                  retail: $595)  Most of\n                                  these are BRAND NEW.\n\n12      Microtest Lanport         See above                           \"\n        BNC --> COM1\n\n11      Microtest Lanport         See above                           \"\n        BNC --> COM1, COM2\n\n3       Microtest Lanport         See above                           \"\n        AUI --> COM1, COM2\n\n4       Microtest Lanport         See above                           \"\n        AUI --> LPT1\n\n1       Microtest Lanport         See above                           \"\n        BNC --> LPT1\n\n\n2       Token Ring MAU            8-port IBM 8228 clone             $100\n\n5       Milan MIL-03P             AUI to 10BaseT Mini TRANSCEIVER (WAS: $50)\n                                                                   NOW: $40\n\n1       QMS SmartWriter 8\/3X      HP LaserJet PLUS Compatible    (WAS $400)\n                                  LASER PRINTER.  8 ppm, 300 dpi.\n                                  Based on the Canon Engine, it   NOW: $325\n                                  has serial and IBM TWINAX ports.\n                                  Emulates HP, Epson FX, IBM\n                                  Proprinter, Diablo, and Qume.\n                                  Downloads HP fonts.  Reliable!\n\n2       IBM Quietwriter 2         Quiet, letter-quality PRINTER.    $100\n                                  1 sheet at a time feed.  Have\n                                  extra ribbon cartridges.\n\n1       IBM Tractor Feed          For the Quietwriter above.        $25\n\n3       IBM PC\/XT Compatible      Misc PC\/XT compatible COMPUTERS,  (WAS:\n                                  some are \"PCs Limited\" (original  $150)\n                                  DELL Computer Co.), some are\n                                  \"Tech PC\/XT\".  These come with    NOW:\n                                  at least a 20 MB hard disk, a     $125\n                                  360 KB floppy, monochrome video\n                                  card, keyboard, and 640 kb of\n                                  memory.\n\n3       IBM PC\/AT or Compatible   Some of these are original IBM (WAS: $200-\n                                  AT's, some are TURBO clones.         $250)\n                                  Clone brands include Tandon,\n                                  Acer, and Everex.  Standard     NOW: $175-\n                                  equipment is the same as above,      $200\n                                  except most have 30-40 MB hard\n                                  drives, and 1 1.2 MB floppy.\n\n4       Amber Monitor for PC      IBM Compatible Monochrome TTL     $20\n                                  type, brands vary, including\n                                  Samsung, Magnavox, and ADI.\n                                  (Mostly want to stay local on\n                                  these - too hard to ship)\n\n2       IBM 5151 Green Monitor    Ubiquitous IBM PC Display,        $20\n                                  Monochrome TTL type.\n                                  (Local - see above)\n\n1       Zenith ZFL181-92          LAPTOP PC. Full-Size and Full-  (WAS $300)\n                                  Travel keyboard, XT compatible,\n                                  Backlit Supertwist (?) Display,  NOW: $250\n                                  Dual 720k floppies.\n\n1       Accton EtherCoax-8W       8-bit, BNC ETHERNET INTERFACE   (WAS: $60)\n                                  card for PC compatibles.  This\n                                  unit is nicely made (mostly      NOW: $45\n        (Also have 1 used, BO)    surface mount) clone of the\n                                  ubiquitous Western Digital\n                                  WD-8003E.  NEW in box with disk.\n\n6       Western Digital WD8003E   The \"real McCoy\" version of the   $50\n                                  above.  Drivers are available\n                                  for just about anything.  Used.\n                                  Surprising performance for an 8\n                                  bit card.  No DMA hassles.\n\n1       Hedaka 2400 Modem         Internal, for PC Compatibles.  (WAS: $35)\n                                  In box, almost new, works fine.\n                                                                  NOW: $25\n\n1       Hayes 1200B Internal      Internal 1200 real HAYES modem    $15\n                                  for PC compatibles.  Untested.\n\n\n\nTerms on the above are C.O.D., shipping extra.  As usual, offers are welcome,\nbut I think most of these prices are more than fair.  Most of this equipment\nis tested and working perfectly, unless otherwise noted.\n\nPlease contact me via email as follows:\n\npk@wet.com  {netcom,hoptoad}!wet!pk\n\n\n\n\nThanks!\n","2610":"From: jtchern@ocf.berkeley.edu (Joseph Hernandez)\nSubject: Re: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE SCORES?\nOrganization: JTC Enterprises Sports Division (Major League Baseball Dept.)\nLines: 38\nNNTP-Posting-Host: monsoon.berkeley.edu\n\nIn article <1qp1m9INNfjg@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:\n>In article <1993Apr17.050311.10098@news.yale.edu> (Sean Garrison) writes:\n>} [Stuff about upated inning scores deleted.]\n>at just that exact time to see the message. even results after the game\n>is over are not necessary, thanks to Mr. Hernandez who posts daily\n>standings and results here every day.\n\nAm I supposed to take that as a compliment or a put down? Just wondering.\nI do this as a service to the entire baseball world on USENET, especially\nfor those in the East Coast who can't get final scores for West Coast games\nin their newspapers or late TV newscasts. This is helpful to fans in other\ncountries who either receive only weekly scores or updates by the week. Also,\nmany have requested for this kind of service previously but it was only\navailable through BBS's or some pay news services. By the way, mine is free\nof charge and has no copyright restrictions.\n\n>if you want to send updates and scores, set up a private mailing list\n>and use that.\n\nRemember I only post final scores and the updated standings once a day to the\nrec.sport.baseball newsgroup. Other than that, everything is done through\nprivate e-mail. Currently, there are 986 people on my mailing list that\nbranches off into other mailing lists available for many others. And the list\ngrows by an average of 35 people a day.\n\nIf people on USENET really don't want to see the postings I do to\nrec.sport.baseball on a daily basis, please just let me know. If the response\nis overwhelming against the posts, I won't do it anymore. \n\nThanks for your time.\n\nJoseph Hernandez\n-- \n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\nJoseph Hernandez          |    RAMS  | |    \/.\\  ******* _|_|_  \/ |   LAKERS\njtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU  |   KINGS  | |__ |   | DODGERS _|_|_  | |   RAIDERS\njtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU  |  ANGELS  |____||_|_| *******  | |  |___|  CLIPPERS\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n","2611":"From: kahn@troi.cc.rochester.edu (James Kahn)\nSubject: Re: David Wells\nNntp-Posting-Host: troi.cc.rochester.edu\nOrganization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY)\nLines: 9\n\nIn article <1993Apr5.124526.10219@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> carrd@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com writes:\n>Has David Wells landed with a team yet?  I'd think the Tigers with their \n>anemic pitching would grab this guy pronto!\n\nThey did.  For $950K.\n\nJim\n\n\n","2612":"Subject: Re: Traffic morons\nFrom: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)\nDistribution: world\nOrganization: Winona State University\nNntp-Posting-Host: stafford.winona.msus.edu\nLines: 28\n\nIn article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>,\nryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:\n> \n> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)\n> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks\n> \n> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to\n> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was\n> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I\n> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the\n> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).\n> \n> NMM>Did I do the right thing?\n\n\timho, you did the wrong thing.  You could have been shot\n or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit\n out of you.  Consider that the person is foolish enough\n to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too.\n\n Just get the heck away from the idiot.\n\n IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_\n file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court.\n It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp.\n\n====================================================\nJohn Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona\n                    All standard disclaimers apply.\n","2613":"From: nahess@mir.gatech.edu (Nicholas A. Hess)\nSubject: Hitatchi Raster Format (HRF)?\nOrganization: USGS Center for Spatial Analysis Technologies\nLines: 19\nNNTP-Posting-Host: mir.gatech.edu\nKeywords: HRF\n\n Our shop uses a package called CADCore - very good - to scan and\nsubsequently vectorize original maps into digital maps. The problem is that\nonce the raster file is loaded into the CADCore package, a header is added\nto the .HRF file which makes it unreadable by the supplied converter. We\nwould like to be able to ship some of the already-altered raster images for\nfurther use on our workstations. So, here are my questions:\n\n (1) What is the Hitachi format? - I need this format so I can recognize\nprecisely what to strip out. I strongly suspect that it's a compressed\nformat - if so, then t might not be possible for me to strip out the\noffending header.\n\n (2) Are there any UNIX packages that read and recognize HRF? It would be\nreally nice to find some sort of \"hrftopbm\" converter out there. ;)\n\n I've already searched some of the more well-known ftp sites which contain\ngraphics formats documentation, with no luck. So, if you know, or knwo\nsomeone who knows - please email! Thanks.\n\n","2614":"From: alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung)\nSubject: Re: Adcom cheap products?\nOrganization: Megatest Corporation\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr16.105738.20864@hippo.ru.ac.za> webb@itu1 (90-29265  Webber  AH) writes:\n> ...stuff deleted...\n>\n>I was also sceptical about the amps being built in the far-east\n>  or where-ever.  But if you look in the amp and see what components\n>  they use and how it was designed, you can easily see why the\n>  amplifiers sound so brilliant.\n\nGood point...also, I wouldn't be surprised that the components\nthey use off-shore are of inferior quality.  As long as it was\nproperly designed and robust, premium components are used, it\nshouldn't matter where it is assembled.\n\n>I cannot see why people say the amplifier won't last - not with\n>  those quality components inside.  Sure the amp runs very fairly\n>  hot - but that's how you get an amp to sound incredibly good.\n\nAn amp that runs hot has no bearing on how it's gonna sound.\nThe amp you have probably is running Class-A the whole day.\n\nActually, I'd be wary of excessively hot amps, 'cauz even though\nthe components inside may be rated to run that way, excessive \nheat will dramatically shorten the life of *any* electronic component\nregardless of quality.  In fact, an amp that does run hot to the touch is\nbecause either the engineer or manufacturer of that amp wanted\nto skimp on heatsinking or cooling to save costs!  Hmmmmm....\n\naaron\n\n.\n","2615":"From: dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger)\nSubject: Re: Do trains have radar?\nOrganization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ\nLines: 30\n\nIn article <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>, hhtra@usho72.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) writes:\n\n|> \n|>  While taking an extended Easter vacation, I was going north on I-45\n|>  somewhere between Centerville, TX and Dallas, TX and I came upon a \n|>  train parked on a trestle with its locomotive sitting directly over\n|>  the northbound lanes.  There appeared to be movement within the cab \n|>  and out of curiosity I slowed to 85 to get a better look.  Just as I\n|>  passed from underneath the trestle, my radar detector went into full \n|>  alert - all lights lit and all chirps, beeps, and buzzes going strong.\n|>  I thought I had been nailed good but no police materialized.\n|> \n|>  Could this have been caused by the train's radio or what?\n|> \n|> \n|>  TRAVIS\n\nBoy, Travis..\n\nWere you LUCKY!!.. you went under the new Texas Rangers\nStealth Patrol Car! Good thing you slowed down!\n\nNewsgroups: rec.autos\nDistribution: world\nReferences:  <1993Apr13.111652@usho72.hou281.chevron.com>\nFrom: dje@bmw535.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Don Eilenberger)\nOrganization: \nSubject: Re: Do trains have radar?\nKeywords: \n","2616":"From: r0506048@cml3 (Chun-Hung Lin)\nSubject: Re: JPEG file format?\nNntp-Posting-Host: cml3.csie.ntu.edu.tw\nReply-To: r0506048@csie.ntu.edu.tw\nOrganization: Communication & Multimedia Lab, NTU, Taiwan\nX-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL3\nLines: 20\n\npeterbak@microsoft.com (Peter Bako) writes:\n: \n: Where could I find a description of the JPG file format?  Specifically\n: I need to know where in a JPG file I can find the height and width of \n: the image, and perhaps even the number of colors being used.\n: \n: Any suggestions?\n: \n: Peter\n\nTry ftp.uu.net, in \/graphics\/jpeg.\n--\n--------------------------------\n=================================================================\nChun-Hung Lin ( \u00aaL\u00abT\u00a7\u00bb )                     \nr0506048@csie.ntu.edu.tw    \nCommunication & Multimedia Lab.\nDept. of Comp. Sci. & Info. Eng.\nNational Taiwan University, Taipei, Taiwan, R.O.C.\n=================================================================\n","2617":"From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602\/621-9615)\nSubject: Re: 14 Apr 93 God's Promise in 1 John 1: 7\nOrganization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.\nLines: 30\n\nI had said:\n\n> Merlyn, you missed the point too.  Christianity is a relationship.  I have\n> a relationship with my God.  I <<know>> Him.  \n>\n> Consider your mother Merlyn.  You know your mother.  What would you think\n> of me if I asserted that your mother is 9 feet tall, murdered your father,\n> and sexually abused you when you were a kid?   Would you, who knows your\n> mother well, think was a blind arrogant idiot to proclaim such things?\n\nMerlyn LeRoy says:\n \n>This analogy is not good; for example, there are plenty of people who\n>\"know\" god as well as you do, but don't agree on things like:\n>\n>1) how many children he\/she has\n>2) whether he\/she approves of polygamy\n>3) whether Mohammed was one of his\/her prophets\n>\n>Now, if you AND all these other people who ABSOLUTELY KNOW what god is\n>like can't agree on basic attributes like these, at least one of you\n>who \"knows\" what this god-thing is like must be wrong; therefore,\n>subjective certainty is worthless regarding knowledge of this god.\n>\n>On the other hand, I don't know any large groups of people who claim\n>absolute knowledge of my mother and who disagree about her basic\n>attributes.  This is the difference between real people and imaginary friends.\n\nMeryln, therefore by your logic, since your people disagree about\nthe characteristics of your mother, you mother must be imaginary.\n","2618":"From:  (Austin Jacobs)\nSubject: BOB KNEPPER WAS DAMN RIGHT!\nNntp-Posting-Host: berkeley-kstar-node.net.yale.edu\nOrganization: University of Yaleta\nLines: 17\n\nDon't you GUYS think so?  I mean, c'mon!  What the heck are women doing\neven THINKING of getting into baseball.  They cause so many problems.  Just\nlook at Lisa Olson.  Remember that feisty reporter that entered the New\nEngland Patriots locker room?  She started crying like a LITTLE GIRL!  I\njust don't think women belong in a man's sport.  Before you smart guys\nflame me for this, I know the given example was about football.  Who cares?\n It still applies to other MALE sports.  How can we have women umpires? \nJeez!  Look at Pam Postema.  Just because she's a woman, everybody on the\nface of the earth thinks it's great that she's getting an opportunity to\nump.  If you even watched the games and had an IQ greater than that of\nroast beef, you'd see that she is not nearly as good as most AAA umpires.\nBesides, she is probably more worried about cracking a fingernail with a\nfoul tip off of Wade Boggs' bat. Or Jose Oquendo's bat. Either way, there\nare too many complications.\n\n\n\u00d1Austin Jacobs (Bob Knepper Fan Club Member #12)\n","2619":"From: jpw0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (JASON PAUL WALTERS)\nSubject: Re: GW2000 and SIMMS\nOrganization: Lehigh University\nLines: 24\n\nIn article <113956@bu.edu>, nshah@acs2.bu.edu writes:\n>I have a gateway2000 483\/33 local bus system.  It has 4 slots for SIMMS\n>that either have to use 4 or 16MB simms.  My question:  I just\n>received a 4x9 70ns simm and it has ~30 pins.  The slot on the\n>motherboard has at least 70 or so pins.  Did I get the wrong simm\n>or can I still use my simm , although not all the pins on the slot would\n>be flilled.  I have never encountered such a long slot for simms before.\n>Anyone have suggestions?  I can't get a hold of Gateway yet.  Thanks\n>Please post to the net or :   nshah@acs.bu.edu\n>\nYes, You bought the WRONG SIMMS.....You need 1X36 or 4X36, which are 72 pin\nSIMMS.....These are better anyway becuase the send\/receive data in 4byte\n(32bit+4bit parity, one for each byte) Chunks. You will undoubtedly see these\nSIMMS becoming more widely used in the near future.\n\nJason\n-- \n\n\n                                   ****************************\n                                   *      Jason Walters       *\n                                   *     JPW0@LEHIGH.EDU      *\n                                   *JPW0@PL122.eecs.LEHIGH.EDU*\n                                   * a.k.a.   Modem Mouth     *\n","2620":"From: d91-hes@tekn.hj.se (STEFAN HERMANSSON)\nSubject: re: Vesa on the Speedstar 24\nOrganization: H|gskolan i J|nk|ping\nLines: 8\nNntp-Posting-Host: pc9_b109.et.hj.se\n\n\n\n\tJust posting to John Cormack.\nI wanted to tell you that there is a \"slight\" difference between \nSpeedstar 24 and Speedstar 24X\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\/Stefan\n","2621":"From: mrizvi@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Mr. Mubashir Rizvi)\nSubject: Re: No humanity in Bosnia\nOrganization: Univ. Western Ontario, London Ont. CA\nKeywords: Barbarism\nNntp-Posting-Host: cad8.gfx.engga.uwo.ca\nLines: 11\n\nIt is very encouraging that a number of people took so interest in my posting.I recieved a couple of letters too,some has debated the statement that events in Bosnia are unprecedented in the history of the modern world.Those who contest this statement present the figures of the World War II.However we must keep in mind that it was a World War and no country had the POWER to stop it,today is the matter not of the POWER but of the WILL.It\nseems to be that what we lack is the will.\nSecond point of difference (which makes it different from the holocast(sp?) ) is that at that time international community\ndidnot have enough muscle to prevent the unfortunate event,\ntoday inspite of all the might,the international community is not just standing neutral but has placed an arms embargo which\nis to the obvious disadvantage of the weeker side and therefore to the advantage of the bully.Hence indirecltly and possibly\nunintentionally, mankind has sided with the killers.And this,I think is unprecedented in the history of the modern world.\n\nM.Rizvi\n   \n\n","2622":"From: weinss@rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu (Stephen Andrew Weinstein)\nSubject: New Religion Forming -- Sign Up\nSummary: Read it.  Worthwhile.  Laughs & serious questions about real religion.\nKeywords: Eveism, religion, \nNntp-Posting-Host: rs6101.ecs.rpi.edu\nOrganization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY\nLines: 102\n\nLet me begin by saying I think this is the world's first religion to use\nthe net as its major recruitment medium.  Therefore, even if this\nreligion does not take off, its founding members will be very important\nhistorically as this method of soliciting membership will eventually become \ncommon.\n\nThe basis of this religion is to apply various aspects of current conventional\nmorality to the characters in Genesis and Exodus but assume that the Bible's\naccounts of the facts and historical events is correct.\n\nFor example,\n\nStory of Adam and Eve:\nAdam and Eve are in Garden of Eden naked and ignorant.  Have unlimited\nsupply of food provided, but no clothing, jobs, or knowledge.  God says\nnot to eat fruit of tree of knowledge.  They do anyway, then try to hide \nin bushes.  God finds them and forces them out of Garden.\n(There are several different stories on what they were doing while naked in\nthe bushes that might have angered God.)\n\nTraditional Philosophy:\n1. The only reason you need knowledge or a job is to eat.  If someone else will\nprovide you with food, then you can be stupid and unemployed and it's OK. This\nis why married women usually didn't work until recent decades.\n2. Authority figures, such as God, whoever was behind the Vietnam War, Hitler \nand slaveowners, are always right and should be blindly followed without \nquestion by ordinary people, who can't make decisions for themselves.\n\nInterpretation of events based on Traditional Philosophy:\nThey were not supposed to eat the fruit.  They should have done whatever God\ntold them to.  Like small children, they had their needs provided for and were\nobligated to do whatever their \"Father\" said to.  Being forced to leave the \nGarden and work in order to obtain food was a punishment.\n\nLessons from Traditional Interpretation:\n1.  Ignorance is good.  Knowledge is bad, but tempting.\n2.  Having food provided for you for nothing (read \"welfare\") is ideal.  Get-\nting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn is punishment.\n3.  Public nudity is good.  Covering up is bad.\n4.  Authority figures are intrinsically right.  Normal people are dumb and \nshould do whatever they are told without question.  They should not think for \nthemselves.\n5.  People in subordinate positions are especially obligated to refrain from\nlearning.  For example, it should be illegal for slaves to learn to read.\n\n1990's philosophy:\n1.  People should seek education and employment outside the home, unless\nnamed \"Hillary Clinton\" or \"Murphy Brown\".\n2.  People should use common sense.  They should not kill other people \n(binding of Issac, wars, Holocaust, etc.) just because they are told to.\n\nInterpretation of events based on current philosophy:\nThey were supposed to eat the fruit.  God gave wanted them to seek knowledge\nrather than be handed it on a silver platter.  Once they had gained knowledge\nand (by seeking it) showed their ability to make mature decisions for them-\nselves, they no longer needed to be treated like little children and were \nREWARDED by being allowed into the \"real world.\"\n\nLessons from new interpretation:\n1.  Ignorance is bad.  Knowledge is good, but must be sought.\n2.  Having food provided for you for nothing (read \"welfare\") is at best\na temporary measure.  Getting a job and feeding yourself with what you earn\nis ideal.\n3.  Public nudity is bad.  Covering up is good.\n4.  Authority figures are often wrong.  Normal people are intelligent and\nshould consider whether the instructions are really a good idea and \"alter\nor abolish\" bad governments.  They should think for themselves.\n5.  People in subordinate decisions are often discouraged from knowledge\nbut should seek it anyway, and all the harder.  For example, poor children \nwithout good schools should work especially hard in order to make a better\nlife for their children (and themselves).\n\nI have tentatively named this new philosophy \"The Church of Eveism\" because\nEve's decision to eat the apple is man[sic]kind's first good decision, instead\nof its first bad one, as traditionally believed.  She is therefore clearly\na protagonist.  God at first appears evil, for telling people not to seek \nknowledge but on deeper analysis is also a protagonist.  As God rewarded the\ndecision to defy him, and provided the tree in the first place, the intention\nand desire were clearly to have the knowledge be obtained, but to delay it \nuntil it was actively sought.\n\n---End serious discussion.  Begin humor.--\n\nSave this post to disk (or file server).  Someday it will be considered the\nmost important writing since the 10 Commandments.  You want an original copy.\n\nStay tuned for the RFD on soc.religion.eveism...\nCan I get a tax deduction for money I donate to this organization?\n\n--Return to serious discussion when posting follow-ups.--\n\nStephen Weinstein\nweinss@rpi.edu\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n","2623":"From: klute@tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de (Rainer Klute)\nSubject: Re: imake - help needed\nOrganization: CS Department, Dortmund University, Germany\nLines: 18\nDistribution: world\nNNTP-Posting-Host: tommy.informatik.uni-dortmund.de\n\nIn article <1993Apr20.101306.21536@def.bae.co.uk>, paul@def.bae.co.uk (Paul\nByrne) writes:\n|> Can someone please give me some pointers to setting up imake in a SUN\n|> OPENWINDOWS\n|> enviornment ? I've checked through all the documentation but can not\n|> find any clues.\n\nSun's OpenWindows imake is broken. I suggest installing imake-pure, MIT's\nX11R5 imake. You can get it from ftp.germany.eu.net in file\n\/pub\/X11\/misc\/imake\/imake-pure.tar.Z (117807 Byte).\n\n-- \n  Dipl.-Inform. Rainer Klute      I R B :  immer richtig beraten\n  Univ. Dortmund, IRB\n  Postfach 500500         |)|\/    Tel.: +49 231 755-4663\nD-W4600 Dortmund 50       |\\|\\    Fax : +49 231 755-2386\n\n  new address after June 30th: Univ. Dortmund, D-44221 Dortmund\n","2624":"From: maverick@wpi.WPI.EDU (T. Giaquinto)\nSubject: General Information Request\nOrganization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, MA 01609-2280\nLines: 11\nNNTP-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu\n\n\n\tI am looking for any information about the space program.\nThis includes NASA, the shuttles, history, anything!  I would like to\nknow if anyone could suggest books, periodicals, even ftp sites for a\nnovice who is interested in the space program.\n\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\tTodd Giaquinto\n\t\t\t\t\tmaverick@wpi.WPI.EDU\n\t\t\t\t\t\n","2625":"From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)\nSubject: Re: Good Grief!  (was Re: Candida Albicans: what is it?)\nOrganization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest)\nLines: 26\n\nIn article romdas@uclink.berkeley.edu (Ella I Baff) writes:\n\n>   >If anybody, doctors included, said to me to my face that there is no\n>   >evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety.\n>   >For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as\n>   >I am concerned.\n>\n>This doesn't sound like Candida Albicans to me.\n\nNo, just a little anger.  Normally I don't rip people's lips off, except\nwhen my candida has overcolonized and I become:  \"Fungus Man\"!  :^)\n\nJon\n\n-- \n\nCharter Member --->>>  INFJ Club.\n\nIf you're dying to know what INFJ means, be brave, e-mail me, I'll send info.\n=============================================================================\n| Jon Noring          | noring@netcom.com        |                          |\n| JKN International   | IP    : 192.100.81.100   | FRED'S GOURMET CHOCOLATE |\n| 1312 Carlton Place  | Phone : (510) 294-8153   | CHIPS - World's Best!    |\n| Livermore, CA 94550 | V-Mail: (510) 417-4101   |                          |\n=============================================================================\nWho are you?  Read alt.psychology.personality!  That's where the action is.\n","2626":"From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)\nSubject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!\nOrganization: UniSQL, Inc., Austin, Texas, USA\nLines: 17\n\nIn article <1993Apr14.200933.15362@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes:\n>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:\n>>ps.  I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and\n>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.\n>\n>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.\n\n\nSqueaky BMW riders.\n\n\n\n-- \nRay Shea    \t\t \"they wound like a very effective method.\"\nUniSQL, Inc.\t\t                                 --Leah\nunisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                   some days i miss d. boon real bad. \nDoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     \n","2627":"From: carols@ohsu.edu (Carol Suelzle)\nSubject: re: Help with WinQVT\nArticle-I.D.: ohsu.1993Apr15.164424.465\nOrganization: Oregon Health Sciences University\nLines: 17\nNntp-Posting-Host: 137.53.130.7\n\n\n\n>This is the qvthost.rc file.\n>137.112.5.2\n>137.112.199.50\n>\n>\n>\n\nThe host file requires the names that you'll be using in addition to the ip address\n\nsucb as\n\n100.0.0.1 name.server.name\n100.2.2.1 name.router.name\n\nCarols@ohsu.edu\n","2628":"From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)\nSubject: Re: WC 93: Results, April 18\nOrganization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden\nLines: 72\nNntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se\n\ndstein@oak.math.ucla.edu (David Stein) writes:\n>  What's going on?  The Russians and the Czechs are unable to beat easy\n>opponents, and the Swedes beat Austria only 1:0?!?\n>\n It's the \"opening-game effect\" maybe. Pros arrive late, nervousness for\n rookie WC players, and problems to get the lines clicking may make things\n hard to get it going against these \"worse\" nations.\n I'd guess that the better team you face in the opening game, the better\n it is, since the chances of an upset are greater then.\n\n Some other reasons why the \"worse\" teams are so tough to beat was presented\n by Hans \"Virus\" Lindberg (former coach in Switzerland).\n\n 1) The \"worse\" teams (referring to France, Switzerland, Austria, Italy etc)\n    have now usually world class goalies.\n\n 2) Their defensive play have become much more disciplined, they take much\n    less unnecessary penalties.\n\n 3) They use four lines which makes it harder to make them \"run out of gas.\"\n\n 4) The ice quality in the German WC rinks is poor.\n\n>  The only convincing winner was... Germany.  Wierd.\n>\n Another weird thing was that the Czechs played entertaining hockey..\n err.. just kidding, David.\n\n>p.s. Alex, I would like to see the Czech roster, including, if possible,\n>the clubs from which the players come.  How many are \"Finnish\", \"German\", \n>or \"Swiss\"?\n>\n Alex? That's a new name for me ;)\n\n OK, I forgot the Czech roster at home yesterday, but now I have it.\n I don't know the teams for all players, so I would appreciate if\n you guys could fill in the blanks for me (especially I think some\n of these players play in Finland).\n\n The Czech Republic\n ------------------\n\n Goaltenders:\t 1. Petr Briza\t\t(Finland somewhere, right?)\n\t\t 2. Roman Turek\t\tMotor C. Budejovice\n\n Defense:\t 3. Leo Gudas\t\t?\n\t\t 4. Milos Holan\t\tTJ Vitkovice\n\t\t 5. Drahomir Kadlec\t?\n\t\t 6. Bedrich Scerban\tBrynas, Sweden\n\t\t 7. Antonin Stavjana\tHV 71, Sweden\n\t\t 8. Miroslav Horava\tMoDo, Sweden\n\t\t 9. Ales Flasar\t\tTJ Vitkovice\n\t\n Forwards:\t10. Petr Rosol\t\t?\n\t\t12. Kamil Kastak\tHV 71, Sweden\n\t\t13. Richard Zemlicka\t?\n\t\t14. Jiri Kucera\t\t?\n\t\t16. Jan Caloun\t\tHC Litvinov\n\t\t18. Petr Hrbek\t\t?\n\t\t19. Tomas Kapusta\t?\n\t\t20. Otakar Janecky\t(Finland?)\n\t\t21. Roman Horak\t\tMotor C. Budejovice\n\t\t22. Martin Hostak\tMoDo, Sweden\n\t\t24. Radek Toupal\t?\n\t\t26. Jiri Dolezal\t?\n\n\n Staffan\n--\n ((\\\\  \/\/| Staffan Axelsson            \n  \\\\  \/\/|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se    \n\\\\_))\/\/-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey  \n","2629":"From: dleonar@andy.bgsu.edu (Pixie)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Hell\nLines: 35\n\nIn article <Apr.7.01.55.50.1993.22771@athos.rutgers.edu>,\nvbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) wrote:\n\n> \n> \t\"We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant\n> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His\n> truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance\n> of those absolutes.\"\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\tPardon me, a humble atheist, but exactly what is the difference\nbetween holding a revealed truth with blind faith as its basis (i.e.\nregardless of any evidence that you may find to the contrary) as an\nabsolute truth, fully expecting people to believe you and arrogance?\n\n     They sound like one and the same to me.\n\n     And nearly every time I meet a christian (or for that matter, any\nother theist) who tries to convert me, I find this proven over and over\nagain.\n\n     I see no wisdom whatsoever in your words\n\n\n                                       Unfaithfully yours,\n\n                                       Pixie\n\n\n     p.s.  If you do sincerely believe that a god exists, why do you follow\nit blindly?  \n\n     Do the words \"Question Authority\" mean anything to you?\n\n     I defy any theist to reply.      \n","2630":"From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)\nSubject: Kawasaki ZX-6 engine needed\nReply-To: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: UT SAE \/ Longhorn Racing Team\nLines: 14\nOriginator: lusky@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu\n\nI'm looking for a 1990-91 Kawasaki ZX-6 engine.  Just the engine,\nno intake, exhaust, ignition, etc.  Preferably in the central texas\narea, but we haven't had much luck around here so we'll take whatever we\ncan get.  Please reply via mail or call (512) 471-5399 if you have one\n(or more...  really need a spare).\n\nThanx\n\n-- \n--=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=-- \n    \\ \"Turbos are nice, but I'd rather be blown!\" \/\n     \\    89 Jeep Wrangler - 258\/for sale!       \/ \n      \\        79 Rx-7 - 12A\/Holley 4bbl        \/ \n       \\________67 Camaro RS - 350\/4spd________\/ \n","2631":"From: steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks)\nSubject: Re: Just what is in the Jobs\/Pork bill?\nSummary: Answer: Local communities decide what to do with block grants\nDistribution: usa\nOrganization: Just a Boomer, Inc.\nLines: 73\nNntp-Posting-Host: thor.isc-br.com\n\nIn article <C5L5uM.IsF@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:\n>This was in Wed. WSJ.\n>\n>[start]\n>The white house, seeking to mount public pressure on GOP senators, bombarded\n>news outlets in some senator's home states with news releases warning that\n>certain projects may not be funded if the $16billion stimulus bill isn't\n>passed.\n>\n>None of the projects mentioned are actually in the bill, rather they are\n>part of a wish list that may be funded from the $2.56 billion in\n>Community Development Block Grants.\n>\n>...\n>\n>[end]\n>\n>I could have sworn I heard a bunch of Clintonites going on and on, raving\n>about how dishonest it was that the Rebublicans were taking items from this\n>wish list in order to ridicule this bill. Now that Clinton is using that\n>same list in order to garner support for the bill, are you guys going to\n>do the honorable thing and say that Clinton is being dishonest.\n\nAs one of the \"Clintonites\" cited above, I'll try to clarify since this\nis not a case of Clinton's \"dishonesty.\" (I won't necessarily defend him\non other issues.)  \n\nThere were NEVER any specific projects included in the Community\nDevelopment Block Grant portion of the President's proposal.  Congressional\nRepublicans, in an effort to discredit the stimulus package, selected what\nthey felt were silly sounding projects from a wish-list of POTENTIAL \nprojects prepared by the US Mayors' Conference before the stimulus package\nwas ever proposed.  (The document in question was designed to pressure the\nWhite House to increase the size of the block grant proposal submitted\nto Congress.  It didn't work.)\n\nThe $2.56(?) billion proposed in the stimulus package came nowhere close\nto covering the total estimated cost of the original wish-list.  If it\nwere passed, communities would have to select which projects to fund and\nat what level.\n\nIn the case of Spokane, Wa., Tom Foley's home district, no one ever\nexpected to be able to refurbish a local swimming pool (one of the \nRepublicans' examples) FROM THE FUNDS AVAILABLE IN THE STIMULUS\nPACKAGE since the estimated cost of doing so exceeded the total \namount of block grant funds the city would receive from the stimulus \npackage for ALL projects.  \n\nThe plan, instead, was to use the money on public housing construction\nand remodeling to cope with a severe housing shortage.  (Yup, there are\nplaces where that is true.)  The swimming pool improvements were near the\nbottom of a long list of priorities prepared by the city.  The $3 million\nor so to be received would cover only a few of the most pressing\npriorities.\n\nIf the block grants are cut from the stimulus package, it is these projects\nthat will be affected by the lack of funds.  And that is why the Clinton\nadministration has been publicizing the issue.\n\nA final point.  One may or may not like community block grants.  It is\nworth noting, however, that Congressional Republicans' opposition to them\nis new.  Since the Nixon administration, Republicans have generally \nsupported such grants as an alternative to targeted federal spending,\narguing that local governments are far better able to determine spending\npriorities than \"Washington bureaucrats.\"  \n\nIs it clear now?  Or is this all too complicated to understand?\n\njsh\n--\nSteve Hendricks                        |  DOMAIN:  steveh@thor.ISC-BR.COM   \n\"One thing about data, it sure does cut|  UUCP:    ...!uunet!isc-br!thor!steveh\n the bulls**t.\" - R. Hofferbert        |  Ma Bell: 509 838-8826\n","2632":"From: vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.)\nSubject: Re: The arrogance of Christians\nOrganization: Case Western Reserve Univ. Cleveland, Ohio (USA)\nLines: 56\n\nIn article <Apr.10.05.32.29.1993.14388@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:\n>vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:\n>\n>No, IMO, Mr. Stowell missed the point.\n>\n>> \t\"We affirm the absolutes of Scripture, not because we are arrogant\n>> moralists, but because we believe in God who is truth, who has revealed His\n>> truth in His Word, and therefore we hold as precious the strategic importance\n>> of those absolutes.\"\n>\n>Mr. Stowell seems to have jumped rather strangely from truth to absolutes.\n>I don't see how that necessarily follows.  \n>\n>Are all truths also absolutes?\n>Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)?\n>\n>If the answer to either of these questions is no, then perhaps you can \n>explain to me how you determine which parts of Scripture are truths, and\n>which truths are absolutes.  \n\nThe answer to both questions is yes.\n\nAll Scripture is true, being inspired by God.  The evidence for this\nclaim has been discussed ad nauseum in this group.\n\nSimilarly, all truth is absolute.  Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a \ncontradiction in terms.  When is something absolute?  When it is always\ntrue.  Obviously, if a \"truth\" is not always \"true\" then we have a\ncontradiction in terms.  \n\nMany people claim that there are no absolutes in the world.  Such a\nstatement is terribly self-contradictory.  Let me put it to you this\nway.  If there are no absolutes, shouldn't we conclude that the statement,\n\"There are no absolutes\" is not absolutely true?  Obviously, we have a\ncontradiction here.\n\nThis is just one of the reasons why Christians defy the world by claiming\nthat there are indeed absolutes in the universe.\n\n>There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical \n>Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding \n>Biblical interpretation.\n\nSo?  People sometimes disagree about what is true.  This does not negate\nthe fact, however, that there are still absolutes in the universe.  Moreover,\nevangelical Christianity, at least, still professes to believe in certain\ntruths.  Man is sinful, man needs salvation, and Jesus is the propitiation\nfor mankind's sins, to name a few.  Any group that does not profess to\nbelieve these statements cannot be accurately called evangelical.\n\n\n-- \nVirgilio \"Dean\" Velasco Jr, Department of Electrical Eng'g and Applied Physics \n\t CWRU graduate student, roboticist-in-training and Q wannabee\n    \"Bullwinkle, that man's intimidating a referee!\"   |    My boss is a \n   \"Not very well.  He doesn't look like one at all!\"  |  Jewish carpenter.\n","2633":"From: jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger)\nSubject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]\nOrganization: Boston University Physics Department\nLines: 23\n\nIn article <1993Apr10.124753.25195@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes:\n\n>Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote:\n\n>>Well, it seemed slightly incongruous to find the Union Jack flying\n>>at City Hall in Belfast. \n\n>May I ask why?  It's there not because the British want it there (NI\n>is just one big expensive problem), it's there because that is\n>what the majority of the population of NI want.  Is there some\n>problem with that?\n\nThe majority of those who can open their mouths in public perhaps.\nThere seems quite alot of incentive for the British to have control\nof NI, like using the North Channel and Irish Sea as a waste dump (I was\nappalled at the dumping I saw in the harbor in Belfast). It is my\nunderstanding that quite alot of radioactivity enters the water --\nit'd be quite a problem if NI got its independence from Britain and\nthen stop