1918-09-19 07 02 01 REPS 6245 0 Senate 1918-09-19 Mr. SPEAKER (Hon. W. Elliot Johnson) took the chair at 2.30 p.m., and read prayers. 6245 miscellaneous 6245 10000 0 0 SPEAKER, Mr. Mr. SPEAKER Yesterday I issued a writ for the election of a member to serve for the electoral division of Swan, in the place of Lord Forrest, deceased. The dates appointed in the writ are as follow: – Date of nomination, 4th October; date of polling, 26th October; date for return of writ, on or before 21st November. 6245 miscellaneous Assent to the following Bills reported: — Australian Soldiers' Repatriation Bill(No. 2) Defence Bill (No. 2) Defence (Civil Employment) Bill. Income Tax Assessment Bill. Appropriation Bill 1917-18. Supply Bill (No. 1) 1918-10. Apple Bounty Bill. 6245 papers The following papers were presented: — Railways—Break of Gauge—Report of Board of Commonwealth and State Engineers on Break of Gauge Devices (10th August, 1918) Wool Clip, 1917-18 Purchase by the Imperial Government through the Commonwealth Government—Statement by the Central Committee. Ordered to be printed. Cyclone Cairns and Innisfail districts, March, 1918—Report by Hon. F. W. Bamford, M.P., and Senator Crawford as to damage one and relief measures. Irish Convention—Report of Proceedings—(Paper presented to the British Parliament). Proportional Representation—Report of the Royal Commission with the scheme prepared by the Commissioners— (Paper presented to the British Parliament). Reform of Second Chamber—Conference—Letter from Viscount Bryce to the Prime Minister (Paper, presented to the British Parliament). The War.—(Papers presented to the British Parliament) - Board of Trade Departmental Committee—Reports re the position (after the war) of — Electrical Trades. Engineering Trades. Shipping and Shipbuilding Industries. Textile Trades. Commercial and Industrial Policy—Committee on—Interim Report on the Treatment of Exports from the United Kingdom and British Overseas Possessions and the Conservation of the Resources of the Empire during the transitional period after the War. Holland - Correspondence with the Netherlands Government respecting the Requisitioning of Dutch Ships by the Associated Governments. Correspondence between His Majesty's Government and the Netherlands Government respecting the treatment by the latter of Belligerent Merchant Vessels whose status has been changed as the result of an Act of War—Part I.— Cases of the steam-ships Maria and Hunts trick. Part 11.—German ships at Antwerp at the outbreak of the War. Report on the Export of Cement from the United Kingdom to Holland. Prisoners of War—Report on the Treatment by the Enemy of British Prisoners of War behind the firing lines in France and Belgium. Prisoners of War and Civilians—Agreement between the British and Ottoman Governments respecting. Arbitration (Public Service) Act—Awards of the Commonwealth Court of Conciliation and Arbitration, and other documents, in connexion with plaints submitted by— Commonwealth Legal Professional Officers Association (dated 28th June, 1918). Federated Public Service Assistants Association (dated 14th August, 1918). Commerce (Trade Descriptions) Act-Regulations Amended-Statutory Rules 1918, No. 217 - Customs Act - Proclamations prohibiting Exportation (except under certain conditions) - Broom Millet (dated 4th September, 1918). Butter (dated 28th August, 1918). Honey (dated 4th September, 1918). Phosphorus, Strychnine and its Salts, and Arsenic and its Water-soluble Salts (dated 31st July, 1918). Red Lead and White Lead (dated 14th August, 1918). Sausage Casings (dated 14th August, 1918). Proclamation (dated 10th July, 1918) revoking Proclamation (dated 26th July, 1916) prohibiting Exportation of Goods to Liberia. Regulations Amended-Statutory Rules 1918, Nos. 216, 226, 230. Defence Act-Regulations Amended- Statutory Rules 1918, Nos. 144, 145, 148 to 153, 157, 160, 161, 166 to 169, 183, 184, 201 to 204, 210, 212 to 214, 231, 232. Land Tax Assessment Act-Applications for Relief-Schedule of Relief granted to Taxpayers in all States. Lands Acquisition Act-Land acquired under, at - Broken Hill, New South Wales-For Defence purposes. Caulfield, Victoria-For Defence purposes. Drummoyne, New South Wales-For Defence purposes. Hobart, Tasmania-For Defence purposes. Maryborough, Queensland-For Defence purposes. North Sydney, New South Wales-For Defence purposes. Randwick, New South Wales-For Defence purposes. Ruthergien, Victoria-For - Defence purposes. Naval Defence Act - Regulations Amended-Statutory Rules 1918, Nos. 180, 181, 209, 234. Northern Territory- Ordinance of 1918-No. 10-Stock Diseases. Public Service Ordinance-Regulations Amended (two). Papua-Ordinances of 1918- No. 6.-Superannuation. No. 7.-Ordinance Interpretation. No. S.-Supplementary Appropriation (No.1) 1917-1918. No. 10.-Native Crown Servants. Post and. Telegraph Act – Regulations Amended-Statutory Rules 191, Nos. 94, 126 127. 136. 139. 158. 162, 176, 182, 189, 220, 223. Public Service Act - Appointments, Promotions, e - J. S. Buchanan, Postmaster-General's Department. F. T. Cull, Prime Minister's Department. L. G. I. French, Prime Minister's Department. J. M. A. Gough, Prime Minister's Department. M. T. Keely, J. E. Martin, D. C. Stevenson, Department of the Treasury. T. G. Leece, C. C. McGarry, F. Claremont, F. V. Becke, M. B. Harry, J. R. Jackson, W. B. Sheridan, W. E. Bradshaw, C. F. Robinson, W. Reid, W. G. C. L. Dix, H. W. Germon, H. IV. Lloyd, 'Postmaster-Genera I's Department. - P. J. McCormack, P. L. Johnston, Prime Minister's Department. C. MacNamara, Prime Minister's Department. J. L. MeC. Brain, Prime Minister's Department. M. C. Meeking, Prime Minister's Department. F. J. Murphy, Home and Territories Department. M1. H. Simpkins, Prime Minister's Department. A. B. Smith, Home and Territories Department. J. H. Starling, Prime Minister's Department. R. White, Postmaster-General's Department. Regulations Amended-Statutory Rules 1918, Nos. 174, 177, 188, 194, 196, 218, 221, 228. Railways Act – By-law No. 5. Seamen's Compensation Act- Regulations-Statutory Rules 1918, N. 163. Regulations Amended-Statutory Rules 1918, No. 198. War Precautions Act-Regulations Amended -Statutory Rules 1918, Nos. 89, 108, 111, 146, 147, 154, 170, 178, 195, 219, 224. Wool Clip, 1917-18, Purchase by the Imperial Government through the Commonwealth Government-Tables of Limits and other Papers. 6246 miscellaneous Mr. KELLY presented a petition from the Proportional Representation Society of New South Wales, the Farmers and Settlers Association, the Women's Reform League, the Soldiers and Citizens Political Party, the Free -Trade and Land Values League, the National Council of Women of New South Wales, and the Vigilantes Society, praying the House to pass proportional representation into law. Petition received and read. 6247 question 6247 DESERTERS' DEPENDANTS—MOTHERS OF EX-NUPTIAL CHILDREN 6247 KNH 0 0 MATHEWS, James Mr. MATHEWS Has the Acting Prime Minister (Mr. Watt) any information to give us as to the intention of the Government with regard to paying their allowance to the dependants of soldiers who have deserted, and with regard to placing the mothers Of ex-nuptial children on the same footing as widowed mothers? 6247 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT About the matter last mentioned I have no information to give at present; the matter first mentioned is still the subject of negotiation between this Government and the Government of Victoria. 6247 6247 KWL 0 0 TUDOR, Frank Gwynne Mr. TUDOR I would like to ask the Acting Prime Minister (Mr. Watt), or the Minister in charge of price fixing, whether the Government can make any announcement as to the increase in the price of meat they have decided upon at the request of the squatters and butchers? 6247 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT it is not usual for my honorable friend to couch a question in such discourteous language. I suggest that, on second thoughts, and on reflection, he should give notice of the question to the Minister in charge of price fixing. 6247 6247 KHE 0 0 HIGGS, William Guy Mr. HIGGS In view of the arrangements which are being made in regard to Australian raw products, is it the intention of the Government to introduce at once a scientific Protectionist Tariff designed to protect Australian secondary industries? If the Government do not propose to at once amend the Australian Customs Tariff in such a manner as to give adequate protection to Australian industries, do they propose to make any such amendment during the life of the present Parliament? 6247 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I know that the honorable member's question deals with a very important matter, but it is hardly of a character that may be labelled urgent. If the honorable member will give notice of his question, it will be considered. 6247 bill Bill presented by Mr. GROOM, and read a first time. 6247 question 6247 6247 KZT 1 0 RODGERS, Arthur Stanislaus Mr. RODGERS Varying statements are made by Federal Ministers, and State Ministers, and also occasionally by Comptrollers in regard to the operation of the Wheat Pool, some of which have a very damaging effect on the value of wheat scrip. It has recently depreciated from this cause by as much as 2d. per bushel. In view of the great importance of the financial stability of this scrip will the Acting Prime Minister take counsel with the Wheat Board for the purpose of seeing whether an official weekly bulletin can not be issued giving information in regard to the operations of the Pool, not only the information; but also the essential facts upon which it is based, so that the holders of the scrip may form an estimate themselves as to its value? 6247 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT The proposition is somewhat novel. I have not heard it suggested that frequent information of an official character should be issued, and I am somewhat doubtful as to the possibility of giving facts that would be of service to the wheat-grower without knowing what is taking place at the other end of the world. Information can be given a to the quantity of wheat stored in Australia, the quantity shipped, and the quantity consumed each week, or each month, but, obviously, for various reasons, in war time, we cannot publish the facts in relation to the difficulty of shipping. It is what prospective buyers at the other end of the world think of our crop that governs all these matters, and clearly as I am not in a position to give that information I could not publish it. However, I will confer with the members of the Australian Wheat Board as early as practicable in order to see whether it may not be possible to do something in the direction of regular publications in order to stabilize the fluctuating wheat scrip. 6247 6247 KEV 0 0 FENTON, James Edward Mr. FENTON Is it the intention of the visiting French Mission to be in Melbourne next week when the Royal Agricultural Show will be held? 6248 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT From information I have received I am inclined to think that the French Mission cannot arrive in Melbourne at so early a date. In order to arrange for the maximum amount of sight-seeing of a vital kind within the shortest possible time, the itinerary of the Mission was arranged some time in advance of its arrival, and as it came to Sydney first, it was thought advisable that Queensland should be visited before the weather became too hot. The Mission will come down to Melbourne in clue course, and is timed to arrive here about 14th October next. It will then proceed to Tasmania, and return to Melbourne. in time to co-ordinate with another great festival which is held here in November. 6248 6248 KEA 1 0 KELLY, William Henry Mr. KELLY Has the Acting Prime Minister received any official confirmation of the news published in the press that the Soviets in Russia have declared war against the British Empire? Further, has the special representation of these Soviets in Australia been terminated since this declaration of war? 6248 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT We have no official information of the kind referred to by the honorable member. Beyond that I do not care to say anything at the present time. 6248 6248 K4F 0 0 CONSIDINE, Michael Patrick Mr. CONSIDINE Has the Acting Prime Minister any official information in regard to the cabled statements that there is a movement on foot to retain the services of the Prime Minister (Mr. Hughes) in England? If so, is it the intention of the Government to co-operate with that part of the Empire in order to secure the achievement of such a desirable state of affairs? 6248 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I think that, in the absence of the Prime Minister, the question Is framed in insulting terms. However, I will answer one portion of it. 6248 JSC 0 0 BRENNAN, Frank Mr. BRENNAN The honorable gentleman is very sensitive! 6248 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT If the leader of the party to which the honorable member for Batman belongs were absent, and sneers were levelled at him from this side of the House, I am sure the honorable member would be the first to defend his absent leader. 6248 JSC 0 0 BRENNAN, Frank Mr. BRENNAN My leader would not go away under false pretences. 6248 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT That is an equally insulting observation. 6248 10000 0 0 SPEAKER, Mr. Mr. SPEAKER I ask the honorable member for Batman to withdraw his imputation. 6248 JSC 0 0 BRENNAN, Frank Mr. BRENNAN Certainly. I withdraw it if it is offensive to any one. 6248 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT Ignoring what is objectionable in the question, and replying to one portion of it only, I can say, that we have received no information of the kind to which the honorable member for Barrier has referred. 6248 REPORTED GOVERNMENT PURCHASE 6248 JWG 1 0 FOWLER, James Mackinnon Mr. FOWLER It has been reported in the press that the Government have purchased certain extensive iron ore deposits in Tasmania. Will the Acting Prime Minister state, if that report is correct, what is the nature of the transaction, and the reasons for it? 6248 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I shall not give an extensive answer to the honorable member's inquiry, and should prefer the larger question which it involves to be placed upon the notice-paper. Dealing with the first part of the inquiry, I may say that we have not purchased any iron ore deposits, but that we have secured a twelve months' Option over what are known as the Blythe River iron deposits. If the honorable member desires further information, I ask him to give notice. 6248 SHOP NOTICES—PRICE OF SOFT FRUITS – CHAFF BAGS—PROSECUTIONS. 6248 KLM 0 0 MALONEY, William Robert Nuttall Mr. MALONEY Will the Minister in charge of price fixing state to whom application should be made for copies of notices of the prices fixed, which have to be exhibited in the shops where the goods to which they relate are offered for sale? 6249 KNF 0 0 MASSY-GREENE, Walter Mr. GREENE It has been freely advertised that such notices are to be obtained at every post-office throughout the Commonwealth. 6249 JUV 1 0 McWILLIAMS, William James Mr. McWILLIAMS Will the Minister in charge of price fixing lay on the table of the House the report of the Commission made last season as to the advisableness of fixing the price of soft fruits? 6249 KNF 0 0 MASSY-GREENE, Walter Mr. GREENE I am not quite sure to what extent the report contains confidential information. I shall examine it, and advise the honorable member later on. 6249 K4W 0 0 NICHOLLS, Samuel Robert Mr. NICHOLLS Is the Minister for Price Fixing aware that a large number of agents dealing in bags have charged an excessive price for chaff bags, and that many firms have withheld the distribution of such bags, and so compelled farmers to sell their haystacks at an unreasonably low price? 6249 KNF 0 0 MASSY-GREENE, Walter Mr. GREENE I am not, but if any individual ease is brought under my notice, proper action will be taken. 6249 JXA 0 0 CHARLTON, Matthew Mr. CHARLTON Is the Minister in charge of price fixing aware that in some cases where persons have been found charging prices in excess of those fixed by regulation, no action has been taken, while in others prosecutions have been ordered? Is it equitable that certain individuals should be picked out? If the honorable gentleman thinks it is not, will he see that every trader gets the same treatment? 6249 KNF 0 0 MASSY-GREENE, Walter Mr. GREENE Generally speaking, every man receives the same treatment. Where a more or less technical offence is committed, the usual course is to give a warning, but should the offence be repeated, a prosecution takes place. 6249 6249 KES 1 0 FALKINER, Franc Brereton Sadleir Mr. FALKINER In connexion with the forthcoming war loan, I desire to ask the Treasurer whether all subscriptions are to be paid into the Commonwealth Bank, as usual, or whether subscriptions will be allowed to remain in the banks that find the money for the subscriber until they are required by the Commonwealth Government? 6249 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT The matter referred to formed the subject of considerable discussion between myself and some of the commercial banks in the two principal cities of Australia. An arrangement has been effected, which I understand is agreeable to the banking community, that a more liberal system of transfer from the commercial banks to the Commonwealth Bank shall be allowed. Instead of the commercial banks being required to pay to the Commonwealth Bank instanter; on the instalment date, the amounts which they have collected in respect of their clients' subscriptions, there will be allowed a period over which that transfer will extend. In view of the number of days on which instalments are receivable there will be practically a gradual but continuous transfer, as required, from the commercial banks to the Commonwealth Bank. 6249 6249 KNH 0 0 MATHEWS, James Mr. MATHEWS Will the Acting Prime Minister lay on the Library table the correspondence which passed between himself and the proprietors of the Sydney Morning herald respecting the Press Delegation to London? 6249 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I invite the honorable member to give notice of his question so that I may consider it. The correspondence was somewhat unique, and it would be necessary for me, before answering the honorable member's question, to go through it again to determine whether it is really confidential. 6249 KWL 0 0 TUDOR, Frank Gwynne Mr. TUDOR Is it not a fact that there was a threat to "sack" the editor if the "boss" was not allowed to go as a member of the delegation? 6249 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT One question at a time. Later: 6249 KWL 0 0 TUDOR, Frank Gwynne Mr. TUDOR Will the Acting Prime Minister inform the House how many members were comprised in the Australian Press Delegation to England, and what proportion of them were proprietors and not editors of newspapers; also, whether any representative of a Labour paper was sent from Australia? 6249 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I do not carry in my mind all the details as to the personnel of the delegation. I believe it includes some proprietors, but the majority of the delegates were chosen from the editorial staffs. The editor of one Labour paper was invited to make the trip, but for reasons known to the honorable member, he did not accept. In addition, Mr. Anstey, M.P., who was in England, was invited to join the delegation. I will supply the honorable member with any particulars lie requires. 6250 6250 KYV 0 0 RILEY, Edward Mr. RILEY Has the Acting – Prime Minister come to a final decision in regard to the important wool-tops industry at Botany, New South Wales? About 700 inert who were engaged in that industry are still out of employment, and no finality has yet been arrived at. 6250 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I think it was Queen Mary who said that, at her death, the word "Calais" would be found written on her heart. I believe that, on my death, the word wool-top" will be found written on - the lingering fragments of my brain. Using the word in its ordinary sense, finality seems to be impossible in this matter. Only this day I have been in consultation with others in yet another endeavour to secure a settlement. I have summoned - a conference of those most affected, including the chairman of the Central Wool Committee, to meet at Parliament House tonight with the object of trying to accomplish finality by some of the many means by which it should be possible. 6250 6250 JX7 0 0 CHAPMAN, Austin Mr. AUSTIN CHAPMAN Has the attention of the Minister for Trade and Customs been drawn to a statement in the press regarding a supposed conspiracy to smuggle a large quantity of honey out of this country; and, if so, will he state whether prosecutions are to follow? 6250 KK9 0 0 JENSEN, Jens August Mr. JENSEN It is a fact that such an attempt was made. The papers have been before me, and I am referring them to the Crown Law Office. 6250 6250 JSC 0 0 BRENNAN, Frank Mr. BRENNAN I wish to ask the Acting Prime Minister whether it is a fact that he, as acting head of the Government, has established the precedent of undertaking on behalf of the Commonwealth to pay the personal expenses of the Prime Minister (Mr. Hughes) in connexion with litigation in which he is involved in the Old Country? If so, does he not think it sufficient that the Commonwealth should be saddled with the expense of the Prime Minister's public misdeeds without being involved also in his private quarrels? 6250 10000 0 0 SPEAKER, Mr. Mr. SPEAKER Order! I remind honorable members that questions should be couched in respectful language, and must not convey imputation. I ask the honorable member for Batman (Mr. Brennan) to withdraw any imputation contained in his question. 6250 JSC 0 0 BRENNAN, Frank Mr. BRENNAN Certainly; I shall withdraw the latter part of my question, leaving the first part, to which no exception can be taken. 6250 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT Since the honorable member has withdrawn the latter part of his question I do not know what remains. If he will give notice I shall hide nothing, but will tell him the exact facts, and what the Government thinks of them. 6250 papers Mr. GREGORY presented the report of the Public Works Committee, together with minutes of evidence, relating to the proposed scheme for housing Commonwealth workmen at Lithgow. Ordered to be printed. 6250 question 6250 6250 KYA 1 0 PIGOTT, Henry Robert Maguire Mr. PIGOTT I should like to know whether nurses who accompany our Forces abroad will, on their return, have the same privileges as returned soldiers under the Repatriation Act? 6250 KFK 1 0 GROOM, Littleton Ernest Mr. GROOM Speaking from memory, I think that the provisions of the Repatriation Act apply to all nurses who go abroad with the troops. However, if the honorable member will repeat his question to-morrow, I shall, in the meantime, ascertain the exact situation. 6250 6250 KEX 0 0 FINLAYSON, William Fyfe Mr. FINLAYSON In view of the perturbations amongst tin miners in regard to the fixing of the price of tin, I should like to know what decision has been arrived at in the matter? 6251 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT At the request of the Prime Minister, I am dealing with this as a metal matter. The arrangements for an association of tin producers have been under consideration for some time. It was attempted in 1915, but then failed; but we have since developed the matter almost to the stage of completion, though I do not know exactly where, the matter rests today. I understand that an agreement is in course of being signed by which it is hoped that the price of tin and the power to sell will be very much better for the producer for the period of the war, and perhaps afterwards. 6251 6251 JPV 0 0 BLAKELEY, Arthur Mr. BLAKELEY The Acting Prime Minister (Mr. Watt) recently informed me that steps had been taken to continue to fix the price of copper up to December. What steps, if any, are being taken by the Government to take a new contract, or enter into negotiations for the further continuance of the fixed price? 6251 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT This matter has been in the hands of the Prime Minister (Mr. hughes) in London, and has caused a good deal of concern. After much negotiation, the Prime Minister succeeded in inducing the Home authorities to extend the existing contract to the 31st December. Beyond that, according to the latest advices, he has not been able to persuade them to go. We hope, however, that, before the honorable gentleman leaves Great Britain, a further extension will have, been arranged. 6251 6251 KWL 0 0 TUDOR, Frank Gwynne Mr. TUDOR A promise was made in this House that when the butter production in Victoria was sufficient for home consumption the price would be reduced. In view of the fact that nearly 500 tons were produced last week, and we consumed only 300 tons, I should like to know when the price is going to be reduced to the figure at which it stood before we were compelled to, import from Queensland. 6251 KNF 0 0 MASSY-GREENE, Walter Mr. GREENE The price of butter has already been reduced. 6251 KWL 0 0 TUDOR, Frank Gwynne Mr. TUDOR But not to what it was before. 6251 KNF 0 0 MASSY-GREENE, Walter Mr. GREENE As soon as we are producing enough for the Australian consumption, all States will be brought to the same level. 6251 COMMISSIONER'S REPORT 6251 KES 1 0 FALKINER, Franc Brereton Sadleir Mr. FALKINER Are the Public Service officers adversely commented on in Commissioner Blacket's report on the Federal Capital administration, still in the Government employ? If so, is one or more of them on the Arsenal Board? 6251 KFK 1 0 GROOM, Littleton Ernest Mr. GROOM Who are to be connected with the Arsenal Board has not been finally settle. I ask the honorable member to place his question on the notice-paper for to-morrow. 6251 6251 K4F 0 0 CONSIDINE, Michael Patrick Mr. CONSIDINE Is it a fact that the Government have been in communication with the Imperial authorities lately with a view to ascertaining the exact state of the relations between the Russian Federal Socialist Soviet Republic and the Imperial Government? Can the Acting Prime Minister (Mr. Watt) give the House any statement with regard to the position? 6251 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I hardly think that that is a question that should be asked without notice. 6251 JWG 1 0 FOWLER, James Mackinnon Mr. FOWLER Is there a Soviet Russian Republic at the present time? 6251 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT That I cannot say. I suggest that matters which involve international relationship ought not to be made the subject of questions to Ministers without notice. 6251 6251 KHE 0 0 HIGGS, William Guy Mr. HIGGS Before the Government recedes from the position taken up with regard to the wool tops contract, will the Acting Prime Minister (Mr. Watt) make the House acquainted with the auditor's reports on the Government partnership with the Colonial Combing, Weaving, and Spinning Company, and Whiddon Brothers? 6251 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT The honorable member who asks the question knows a great deal about this matter, having elicited much information through the Department. This is a question that I do not think it advisable to answer offhand; indeed, at this stage I would rather not answer any questions at all regarding the matter, because I am hopeful to see it put into shipshape order, when I shall be happy to give any reasonable information required. 6252 6252 KZT 1 0 RODGERS, Arthur Stanislaus Mr. RODGERS In view of the very limited supply of tins in this country, and of the prospects of an exceptionally good honey harvest, will the Acting Prime Minister (Mr. Watt) endeavour to arrange with the Munitions Department to liberate sufficient supplies of tins for the honey industry? Further, when second-hand containers are collected and used by the genuine producer, as against the dealer or trader, will the Department forego the profit now asked from the ordinary collector? 6251 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I am not sufficiently acquainted with the conditions and prospects of the industry to give an answer; but if the honorable member will, in writing, make representations on behalf of the interests affected, I shall see that they are properly considered by the Department. 6252 MR. JUSTICE HARVEY'S REPORT 6252 JSC 0 0 BRENNAN, Frank Mr. BRENNAN Has the Minister representing the Minister for Defence received the report from Mr. Justice Harvey, of New South Wales, who presided over an inquiry respecting certain interned persons? If so, will that be laid on the table of the House or the Library for the perusal of honorable members? 6252 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT As Mr. Justice Harvey was appointed a Royal Commission, I ask leave to answer the question. Yesterday there came through the proper channels His Honour's report, which today I forwarded to the Acting Attorney General (Mr. Groom), and at the present time I think it is in the hands of the Minister for Defence (Senator Pearce). As soon as the Cabinet has had an opportunity to read and consider it, the report will be brought before Parliament in the ordinary way. 6252 6252 KNH 0 0 MATHEWS, James Mr. MATHEWS Seeing that the Administrator of the Northern Territory is in the southern part of Australia, and in view of the turmoil and chaos which at present there prevail, will the Government hold some sort of inquiry, and take evidence from residents of the Territory, with a view to obviating future trouble? 6252 KCO 1 0 GLYNN, Patrick McMahon Mr. GLYNN I do not know to what "turmoil" the honorable member refers; there are always disturbances in the elements, even in the Northern Territory. I can assure the honorable member, in respect to the last series of questions I received regarding this matter, numbering twenty-two, that I find it almost impossible to answer the whole of them, because some of them are almost equivalent to statements concerning things which do not exist. However, I shall give the honorable member information in regard to some of the points to which he drew attention. 6252 SERVICE OF RETURNED OFFICERS 6252 KFE 1 0 GREGORY, Henry Mr. GREGORY Will the Minister representing the Minister for Defence lay on the table the papers relating to the statement alleged to have been made by General Birdwood that he did not desire officers who had been returned to Australia to be again sent to the Front? 6252 L1P 1 0 WISE, George Henry Mr. WISE I will convey the honorable member's request to the Minister for Defence. 6252 6252 KEV 0 0 FENTON, James Edward Mr. FENTON Will the Minister for Home and Territories inform the House of the position in regard to the development of the oil resources in Papua, and also state whether any effort is being made by the Government to discover oil within the boundaries of the Commonwealth? 6252 KCO 1 0 GLYNN, Patrick McMahon Mr. GLYNN Development in Papua is proceeding under the old arrangement. The Government received from private enterprise two offers worthy of consideration, and I have been investigating them for some time. I hope shortly to be in a position to decide what can be done in regard to them. 6253 6253 KEX 0 0 FINLAYSON, William Fyfe Mr. FINLAYSON Has the Cabinet yet considered the advisableness of introducing a measure for the prohibition of the liquor traffic during the war, in order to assist the Empire? 6253 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT Not yet. 6253 6253 KEX 0 0 FINLAYSON, William Fyfe Mr. FINLAYSON In view of the anticipated serious shortage in the cotton production of the world, and of the immense possibilities of cotton culture in Papua and the Northern Territory, does the Minister for Home and Territories contemplate any steps to take advantage of this splendid opportunity for the encouragement of Australian production? 6253 KCO 1 0 GLYNN, Patrick McMahon Mr. GLYNN Some steps in that direction have been taken. For some time past, I have been inquiring into this matter, and have obtained from the Imperial Institute information regarding the quality of the cotton grown in both Papua and the Northern Territory. The reports were favorable regarding the Northern Territory product, and comparisons with some of the American cotton are favorable to the Australian article. The main difficulty is the cost of labour. Certain machinery, about which I obtained information three years ago, has been found not as effective as people expected, and, therefore, cannot be substituted for manual labour. I assure honorable members that this matter is receiving very careful attention. 6253 SALE OF WHEAT TO JAPAN—CENTRAL WHEAT BOARD AND ADVISORY BOARD—OFFER OF FREIGHTS 6253 L0P 1 0 SAMPSON, Sydney Mr. SAMPSON asked the Acting Prime Minister, upon notice— Whether he will lay on the table of the House the papers, if any, containing negotiations for the sale of wheat to Japan during the period of the war? 6253 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT There have been no general negotiations for the sale of wheat to Japan. All the sales have been individual transactions, and the wheat has been sold in the ordinary way. 6253 L0P 1 0 SAMPSON, Sydney Mr. SAMPSON asked the Acting Prime Minister, upon notice— Whether the Government have decided to increase the direct representation of wheat growers on the Central Wheat Board and Advisory Board by the appointment of representatives of such growers from each of the wheat growing States? 6253 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT Last week, the Cabinet decided that the several State Governments represented on the Australian Wheat Board be asked to arrange for the appointment to the Board of a farmers' representative from each of the States. 6253 L0P 1 0 SAMPSON, Sydney Mr. SAMPSON asked the Acting Prime Minister, upon notice— Whether further inquiry has been made into the statement made by Mr. Clement Giles, the wheat-growers' representative on the Central Wheat Board, in a letter read to this House on 25th April, 1918:—" That he was informed, while in London, in August or September, 1915, that an offer of over 1,000,000 tons of freight had been made at 75s. a ton to the Federal Government, and refused;" and, if so, with what result? 6253 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT There is no record of any such oiler in the Government Departments of which I am aware. I have been investigating the matter, but my inquiries are not yet completed. I hope to be - in a position to fully answer the question of the honorable member within a few weeks. 6253 APPLICATIONS FOR DISCHARGE. 6253 KFE 1 0 GREGORY, Henry Mr. GREGORY Mr. GREGORY asked the Assistant Minister for Defence, upon notice - Is it a fact that applications for discharge made by members of the Australian Imperial Force who enlisted in 1914, and have been continuously at the Front, have been refused? If so, does the Minister consider that it is just to these men to refuse their applications while, it is alleged, there are many persons employed in the Defence Department eligible' for service who have not seen active service? How many eligible are now employed by the Department in Australia— (a) officers; (b) others? 6254 L1P 1 0 WISE, George Henry Mr. WISE The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow: - Yes; unless the circumstances are of a very distressful, financial, or domestic nature. The reasons, briefly, why these applications could not be approved are: — The men enlisted for the period of the war. Shortage of reinforcements. As regards those who were returned on furlough, the military authorities overseas relied on their return to service, otherwise it would not be possible to continue the granting of furlough to their comrades, who had equal claims. The Minister would have been most happy to have been in a position to grant discharges to all the soldiers who had served continuously since 1914, but, owing to the lack of sufficient reinforcements, and the urgent need for as many men as could be obtained, this has not been possible. There is not a great number of persons employed in the Department eligible for active service, as will be seen from the reply to question No. 3. Figures distinguishing officers from others are not available, but a return recently furnished showing an analysis of persons engaged in the Department on the 1st July last, is as follows: — The number of eligibles debarred includes officers, and others with special knowledge required for Defence purposes in Australia. From time to time, permission is given for some of these to enlist where suitable arrangements can he made to replace them, but care has to be taken that the number is not reduced to such an extent as to prejudicially affect the efficiency of the Department. The number of those eligible, but not debarred, has been reduced to a minimum, representing only .5 per cent. of the total employed in the Department. These consist mainly of permanent civilian employees, youths eighteen or nineteen years of age, and persons enlisted for Home Service and retained owing to their special qualifications in accountancy, or other branches of the work of the Department. 6254 6254 KLG 0 0 MAHONY, William George Mr. MAHONY asked the Acting Prime Minister, upon notice — Is it a fact that the Government contemplates the repeal of the Arbitration (Public Service) Act and the Commonwealth Public Service Act? Is it a fact that the Government has appointed, or contemplates the appointment of, a Committee or Board to inquire into and advise the Government relative to the repeal of such Acts? If so, will the Government give the personnel of the Committee? If these Acts are repealed by the Government, what is proposed in lieu thereof, in order to give effective administration to the respective Departments? 6254 KXG 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT Many difficulties, have arisen in connexion with the administration of the Commonwealth Public Service in consequence of the operation of the Commonwealth Public Service Act and the Arbitration (Public Service) Act. The Government, therefore, propose to review the position of the Commonwealth Government Departments in connexion with the various Acts by which they are governed, and in their relation to the Arbitration Court, with the object of removing and preventing the overlapping conflict of jurisdiction, and ascertaining what steps are necessary to satisfactorily re-adjust the present system, in the light of the experience which has been gained since the passing of the Acts which bear upon the situation. As a preliminary step, Mr. D. C. McLachlan, formerly Public Service Commissioner, has been invited to examine the existing situation, and to furnish a report on the subject, with a view of bringing, if possible, all Departments of the Commonwealth under one form of administration. 6254 APPOINTMENT of MR. RALPH KING 6254 KLG 0 0 MAHONY, William George Mr. MAHONY asked the Assistant Minister for Trade and Customs, upon notice— Is it a fact a Mr. Ralph King, of Peterson and King, accountants, 86 Pitt-street, Sydney, has been appointed a Price Fixer? If so, what particular qualifications has Mr. King over well-known public accountants of long experience and large practice? In view of the far-reaching financial effects of price fixing, and its direct effect on interests and businesses, does he consider that a practising accountant, whose clientele may be affected by his decision, should have such arbitrary power? 6255 KNF 0 0 MASSY-GREENE, Walter Mr. GREENE The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow: - Yes. The Government is satisfied Mr. King's appointment is a suitable one. He has no arbitrary power, and can only recommend. 6255 MAINTENANCE OF DEPENDANTS. 6255 KLG 0 0 MAHONY, William George Mr. MAHONY asked the Assistant Minister for Defence, upon notice — What provision, if any, is made by the Government for the maintenance of the dependants of Australian munition workers, navies, or other war workers who may die or be incapacitated while on duty in Great. Britain? If no provision is made, will the Minister favorably consider the placing of the dependants of such workers on the same basis as dependants of members of the Australian Imperial Force? 6255 L1P 1 0 WISE, George Henry Mr. WISE The answers to the honorable member's questions are as follow:- Munition workers and navvies are not under a contract of service with the Commonwealth Government, but are despatched to Great Britain for employment under the Ministry of Munitions in England upon munition and war work. The Commonwealth Government accepts responsibility for death or incapacity as the result of an accident during the period of the voyage; the men being dealt with under the provisions of the Seamen's Compensation Act, but no responsibility is accepted by the Commonwealth in respect of the men whilst they are in Great Britain. The men, who are, in the majority of. cases, employed with private firms, are, however, in the event of death or incapacity as the result of accident whilst at work, dealt with under the provisions of local industrial legislation, the firm or Department by which they are employed being responsible, similarly as in the case of all British workmen. This question has already received careful consideration, and the Government do not propose to extend the operation of the War Pensions Act to the dependants of other than enlisted men. 6255 adjournment 6255 3.24 KXG Balaclava Acting Prime Minister and Treasurer 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I wish to put before the House the following, statement: - Recent information concerning the progress of the war has been of the most encouraging character. During the past month rapid and important advances have been made by the Forces of Freedom on the Western Front, justifying the expressions of hope and confidence which have been uttered by the civil and military authorities of Britain and the Allied nations. The Government observes with pride the important part played by our Australian soldiers in these historic movements, and it congratulates the nation on the cheering fact that the casualties amongst our troops have been comparatively light. Notwithstanding this grateful change in the military - outlook, the Government trusts that there will be no slackening of war efforts amongst the people. The prosecution of the war to a victorious end is still the prime duty of Parliament and the nation. During the adjournment the man-power problem has received careful attention. The arrangements for the voluntary recruiting ballot are nearing completion, and the campaign will be launched in a few days. The Prime Minister and the Minister for the Navy are still in Britain. Their work at the War Cabinet and the Empire Conference has been of the utmost consequence to the future of the Commonwealth. They are at present endeavouring to remove the great and increasing difficulties surrounding the sale and shipment of our products, upon which so much depends for the preservation of our prosperity. The members of the National French Mission, headed by General Pau, have arrived in Australia, and are the welcome guests of the Governments of the Commonwealth and the States. Everywhere they are received with popular enthusiasm, and the Government trusts that the visit will cement enduring ties between the people of this country and the great Republic of France. It is not proposed at this stage to describe the work of administration since Parliament rose. That will be outlined in the Budget, which will be presented next week. But the Government desires to record its pleasure at the success which has attended its efforts to secure the return on furlough of the veteran Australian troops who embarked for service in 1914. It is the intention of the Government to make the present session essentially a business one. To that end Amending Standing Orders will be brought down, which, if adopted, will substantially expedite public business. The Government invites the co-operation of honorable members in the consideration and passage of important legislative measures between now and the end of the year. Our growing financial burdens arising out of the war will necessitate additional taxation. Proposals for raising the revenue required will be described and submitted in the Financial Statement. In fulfilment of the repatriation policy of the Government, a Bill to provide for the housing of returned soldiers will be introduced. An extensive Electoral Bill will also be brought in, which will co-ordinate the electoral machinery of the Commonwealth and the States, consolidate the many existing Electoral Acts, provide for preferential voting for the election of members to the House of Representatives, restore a modified form of postal voting, and remedy other defects shown by experience to exist in the present electoral machinery. A Bill making provision for the statutory management of the Government line of steamers will be introduced. To secure equitable contributions by the people to the war loans, in accordance with their means, a measure has been framed, and will be presented for consideration. Price fixing has now assumed considerable proportions, and it is felt that the time has arrived to place this upon a more satisfactory basis during the war than that of a War Precautions regulation. Steps having that end in view will accordingly be taken. To establish conditions essential to the conduct of continuous and operation - economical of shipbuilding, the Government entered into agreements with a number of industrial unions. A Bill will be introduced to give effect to the promise made to the Conference, and to the provisions of the agreements with the unions. Action has been taken for the creation of an Institute of Science and Industry. A Bill will be submitted to give effect to this scheme. The intention is to secure full co-operation between the Commonwealth and States in this important matter. Legislation will be introduced providing for the adequate control of waters in the vicinity of Naval Establishments, Arsenals, Dockyards, c. A measure to encourage the manufacture of black steel sheets and galvanized sheets in the Commonwealth has also been framed. Other measures remedy for your consideration are Bills to amend the Defence Act, the Naval Defence Act, the Maternity Allowance Act, the Service and Execution of Process Act, as well as Bills for the purpose of administrative amendments to the Customs Act, the Distillation Act, the Excise Act, and the Spirits Act. These, with proposals for which leave to introduce has already been given, will be the subjects of deliberation before Parliament again rises. I move - That the paper be printed. 6256 3.31 KWL Yarra 0 0 TUDOR, Frank Gwynne Mr. TUDOR In accordance with the custom that has prevailed from the beginning, when statements like that which we have just heard, setting out the Ministerial programme for what is practically a session, have been made, I move — That the debate be now adjourned. 6256 3.32 KXG Balaclava Acting Prime Minister and Treasurer 0 0 WATT, William Alexander Mr. WATT I desire, for personal reasons, to oblige – the honorable gentleman, and I do not wish to impale on the horns of duty any other honorable member opposite; but the statement was so simple, non-contentious and non-rhetorical, that I hoped that honorable members might agree to it right away. I trust that if the debate be adjourned, honorable members will see that our business is advanced a stage tomorrow. Motion agreed to; debate adjourned. 6256 15:33:00 House adjourned at 3.33 p.m.