A bard soloing a blue at 35th! LOL!
At 32nd with maxed 1HB and maxed 1HS, a Staff of Writhing and a Silvery War
Axe I can kill a light blue if nothing abnormal happens and he's not a
caster. Taking on a blue or deep blue would be tantamount to suicide, at
best very, very risky. For me a solid blue mob would be a Lizard Fanatic in
Cazic-Thule. It would pound me into the mud one-on-one. No question. On
the other hand, a light blue would be a gator in the sewers. I *can* solo
one of those.
So you know how I chose to kill a Fan? I group and play Hymn, Anthem,
Binding, Clarity, Pixie Strike, Lullaby, etc. People like to have me in a
group because of all the "miscellaneous" stuff that I/we do. No
enchanter? - Pixie Strike that Herald while the meleers in the group kill
the Page.
To kill a solid blue mob a 35th bard would have to do a bit more than "kite
a little" to be comfortable. They'd have to GROUP.
Crier Sharpsong
> Well my Shaman is 35, and I have decent armor for my level
> nothing special. I have an observer staff and am maxed (I think) for my
> level in 2H blunt. And all I have to say is that buffed up to the hilt, I
> can MAYBE solo a blue in melee (not using DOT and DD)...but I doubt it.
> This is strict melee. Even when I use my spells, I still need to kite a
> little to be comfortable. My bard is only 17 and does just fine on a
> blue... I don't know how she will be at 35 yet.
>
> I guess my point (do I have one here?) is that my bard kicks
> ass in melee compared to my shaman (can't say about other hybrid
> classes or
> about other bards or other shaman). Shaman are best at niche filling -
> turning the tide of battle in our favor, whether by buffing,
> debuffing or a
> nicely placed heal or DD. Maybe bards are best at that too, with a slight
> emphasis on getting in there and fighting. But if my shaman is
> taking hits,
> I crumple just about as fast as a wizard :-)
>
> Tani 17th Bard
> Halana 35th Shaman
> Solusek Ro
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kimes, Dean W.
> [mailto:Dean_Kimes@...]
> Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 11:09 AM
> To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] RE: RE: Bellow
> song Damage
>
> From: "Kimes, Dean W."
> <Dean_Kimes@...>
>
> If you jump off a 10 story building you will
> fall. That is a fact.
> If you jump off a 10 story building you will
> die. That is not a fact.
>
> You are the only person I know who does not
> know the difference between a
> fact and an opinion.
>
> Maybe Bards eventually become better than
> Shamans in melee, but not at level
> 17. Dual wield was not sufficient to
> prevent me from being pummeled due to
> the numerous stuns I received. All shamans
> have slam. Sure it never goes
> up, but it is still sufficient to stun a
> 17th level bard.
>
> Bards are better than all hybrids in magical
> power? Under what microscope
> did you determine that? At lower levels its
> obviously true as the other
> hybrids have no magical power. Hmm lets
> examine them at higher levels.
> Paladin get Greater Heal, 400 hp that's 3
> minutes worth of Hymn with a lute
> and it takes them less time than that to
> meditate back the mana. They also
> get Revive at their utmost level of spell
> use. Not to mention Lay Hands.
> Rangers probably have the weakest line of
> spells getting nothing above Heal,
> though they do get Wolf Form, cool but not
> overly powerful. Shadowknights
> spells are fearsome. The Engulfing Darkness
> DoT line is devastating as it
> destroys our best defense, Acellerando and
> it stacks with their Heat Blood.
> They also now have the lifetap series. All
> this aside their Harm Touch
> alone is a devastating if slow to recharge
> weapon. We do have a greater
> number of spells than the other hybrids do
> though. Are our abilities
> obviously better, I would not say so.
> Better in a full group of six maybe,
> better in small groups, that's not apparent.
> Even if we were better it
> certainly would not be 5-6 times better and
> that's how the other hybrids
> relate to us in terms of melee skills.
>
> Now since I have stated that bards magical
> abilities might not be so much
> better than some of the other hybrids,
> rangers excluded as their spells are
> truly weak, feel free to call me a liar.
> That will just be one more
> definition you will need to look up on
> Merriam-Webster Online, right after
> 'fact'.
>
> To further turn your argument around:
> Bards cannot beat any caster consistently in
> pure magical combat. (though
> I've come close with Maxell MR)
> Bards cannot beat any other hybrid or melee
> type consistently in pure melee
> combat.
>
> Neither of those statements however true
> prove we are weaker than those
> classes any more than yours prove we are
> equal in power. In my opinion, we
> are weaker than several of the other
> classes. The weakness is not generally
> overbearing but that doesn't mean it
> shouldn't be corrected. To be honest I
> think a realignment of our skills would
> suffice to bridge the gap without
> modifications to our spells other than
> including the missing ones and fixing
> the broken ones. An added melee skill like
> Parry which succeeds more often
> than Dodge, and some raised caps on skills
> that are currently of debatable
> usefulness would help as well. Most
> Jack-of-all-trades are seen as
> self-sufficient characters while we are
> definitely not designed to be very
> capable on our own. We do best in groups
> due to the nature of our spells.
> It is this very grouping nature that further
> undermines the usefulness of
> our other skills as there will often be
> present others in the group whose
> skill so far overshadows ours in those other
> areas that we might as well not
> have the skill at all. There is no benefit
> to having Find Traps and Pick
> Locks when there is a rogue in the group
> with more than double your skill.
> If we were meant to be characters who could
> function on their own and do
> nearly everything, if not well, that would
> be different. However, we are
> not. We are meant to group and for every
> member we add to our group some of
> our skills become superfluous just as our
> magical powers become more potent.
>
> Kitasi
>
>
> From: "Wayne Sheppard"
> <mrwayne@...>
>
> 1. Bards are better than all Pure Casters
> and Priests in melee. (MAG, WIZ,
> ENC, NEC, CLR, SHA, DRU)
> 2. Bards are better than all hybrids in
> magical power. (PAL, RNG, SK)
>
> The above statements are facts and cannot be
> disputed. Every Bard should
> understand these facts.
>
> If someone tries to contradict one of the
> above statements, I will point
> them out as a liar. Especially to those
> Bards who have been on this list
> quite a while.
>
>
> As to the nature of my messages, in the past
> I have made some poor choices.
> But I've tried to do better. I looked at my
> last five messages and saw
> nothing out of the ordinary. I'd be glad to
> discuss any of my posts with
> you or anyone else in private, not on the
> list.
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
> > From: "G.W. Willman, IV"
> <gww6e@...>
> > Subject: RE: RE: Bellow song Damage
> >
> > Wayne,
> >
> > Just curious, what server do you play
> on and do you play a bard? The
> > reason I ask is because you emails are
> consistently sniping in nature and
> > generally flamebait. I'll be the first to
> defend your right to free
> speech
> > however I would ask that you perhaps
> temper somewhat your future remarks
> > with the fact this is a public forum meant
> for discussion -- closing doors
> > via naked accusations and bombastic
> proclamations offers little room for
> > such to take place on a mutually
> respectful level.
>
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