I do love the way we are so much more effective in groups. With a group of
five they really notice when I leave to go sell stuff. That was the first
time I ever had anyone complain that my bard running off to sell was a
hindrance to the group. It felt good. Usually I'm just good for laughs and
keeping the clerics from having to retarget for healing all the time. They
hardly ever have to heal anyone but me! Of course I think they really like
those Beetle-Eye pies I try to keep handy ;)
Kitasi of E'ci
From: "Kyle Q" <
kyleq@...>
One thing I think bears mentioning here, is there really is no use comparing
our class to others (especially if you are using an incredibly ambiguous
term such as power) A bards power scales upward with the size of his/her
group, as far as I'm aware we are the only class that this holds true for.
For example, solo, my healing song heals 10 points of damage max per
round....with 2 people 20...with 3 30....etc etc. Everyone else's abilities
are fixed. Same with our Anthem type spells. If Im solo, the net benefit is
negligible, however the more people you add to the group, the more valuable
it becomes. A 10% speed bonus to one person is not nearly as effective as a
10% speed bonus for 4 people. Your net effectiveness scales up quickly when
you start adding more people.
Feel free to tell me I'm wrong though =) I just dont think there is any
point to comparing us to casters or melee classes. We are a truly unique
class =)
Dank McGillicuty
Out of retirement and loving it (NO MORE SoW/Selo's bug....THANKS
VERANT!!!!)
----- Original Message -----
From: Kimes, Dean W. <Dean_Kimes@...>
To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: [eqbards] RE: RE: Bellow song Damage
> From: "Kimes, Dean W." <Dean_Kimes@...>
>
> If you jump off a 10 story building you will fall. That is a fact.
> If you jump off a 10 story building you will die. That is not a fact.
>
> You are the only person I know who does not know the difference between a
> fact and an opinion.
>
> Maybe Bards eventually become better than Shamans in melee, but not at
level
> 17. Dual wield was not sufficient to prevent me from being pummeled due
to
> the numerous stuns I received. All shamans have slam. Sure it never goes
> up, but it is still sufficient to stun a 17th level bard.
>
> Bards are better than all hybrids in magical power? Under what microscope
> did you determine that? At lower levels its obviously true as the other
> hybrids have no magical power. Hmm lets examine them at higher levels.
> Paladin get Greater Heal, 400 hp that's 3 minutes worth of Hymn with a
lute
> and it takes them less time than that to meditate back the mana. They
also
> get Revive at their utmost level of spell use. Not to mention Lay Hands.
> Rangers probably have the weakest line of spells getting nothing above
Heal,
> though they do get Wolf Form, cool but not overly powerful. Shadowknights
> spells are fearsome. The Engulfing Darkness DoT line is devastating as it
> destroys our best defense, Acellerando and it stacks with their Heat
Blood.
> They also now have the lifetap series. All this aside their Harm Touch
> alone is a devastating if slow to recharge weapon. We do have a greater
> number of spells than the other hybrids do though. Are our abilities
> obviously better, I would not say so. Better in a full group of six
maybe,
> better in small groups, that's not apparent. Even if we were better it
> certainly would not be 5-6 times better and that's how the other hybrids
> relate to us in terms of melee skills.
>
> Now since I have stated that bards magical abilities might not be so much
> better than some of the other hybrids, rangers excluded as their spells
are
> truly weak, feel free to call me a liar. That will just be one more
> definition you will need to look up on Merriam-Webster Online, right after
> 'fact'.
>
> To further turn your argument around:
> Bards cannot beat any caster consistently in pure magical combat. (though
> I've come close with Maxell MR)
> Bards cannot beat any other hybrid or melee type consistently in pure
melee
> combat.
>
> Neither of those statements however true prove we are weaker than those
> classes any more than yours prove we are equal in power. In my opinion,
we
> are weaker than several of the other classes. The weakness is not
generally
> overbearing but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be corrected. To be honest
I
> think a realignment of our skills would suffice to bridge the gap without
> modifications to our spells other than including the missing ones and
fixing
> the broken ones. An added melee skill like Parry which succeeds more
often
> than Dodge, and some raised caps on skills that are currently of debatable
> usefulness would help as well. Most Jack-of-all-trades are seen as
> self-sufficient characters while we are definitely not designed to be very
> capable on our own. We do best in groups due to the nature of our spells.
> It is this very grouping nature that further undermines the usefulness of
> our other skills as there will often be present others in the group whose
> skill so far overshadows ours in those other areas that we might as well
not
> have the skill at all. There is no benefit to having Find Traps and Pick
> Locks when there is a rogue in the group with more than double your skill.
> If we were meant to be characters who could function on their own and do
> nearly everything, if not well, that would be different. However, we are
> not. We are meant to group and for every member we add to our group some
of
> our skills become superfluous just as our magical powers become more
potent.
>
> Kitasi
>
>
> From: "Wayne Sheppard" <mrwayne@...>
>
> 1. Bards are better than all Pure Casters and Priests in melee. (MAG, WIZ,
> ENC, NEC, CLR, SHA, DRU)
> 2. Bards are better than all hybrids in magical power. (PAL, RNG, SK)
>
> The above statements are facts and cannot be disputed. Every Bard should
> understand these facts.
>
> If someone tries to contradict one of the above statements, I will point
> them out as a liar. Especially to those Bards who have been on this list
> quite a while.
>
>
> As to the nature of my messages, in the past I have made some poor
choices.
> But I've tried to do better. I looked at my last five messages and saw
> nothing out of the ordinary. I'd be glad to discuss any of my posts with
> you or anyone else in private, not on the list.
>
>
> Wayne
>
>
> > From: "G.W. Willman, IV" <gww6e@...>
> > Subject: RE: RE: Bellow song Damage
> >
> > Wayne,
> >
> > Just curious, what server do you play on and do you play a bard?
The
> > reason I ask is because you emails are consistently sniping in nature
and
> > generally flamebait. I'll be the first to defend your right to free
> speech
> > however I would ask that you perhaps temper somewhat your future remarks
> > with the fact this is a public forum meant for discussion -- closing
doors
> > via naked accusations and bombastic proclamations offers little room for
> > such to take place on a mutually respectful level.
>
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