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Message ID: 11320
Date: Mon Dec 6 19:43:05 GMT 1999
Author: Jeff Illian
Subject: RE: Bard Handicap of Sorts
> > Greetings! GM Cailleach here.the
> >
> > In regard to your wife's character's death, please let me explain the
> > resurrection
> > policies. The reason I'm doing this is so that you will see the
> > restrictions
> > guides are
> > under and hopefully, why they are under them.
> >
> > Resurrections are provided only for deaths where it can be verified by
> > guide, with the tools available to them, that the death was dueor
> > to a bug. In
> > refusing to perform a resurrection, they are not calling anyone a
> > liar, but they
> >
> > are indicating to you that they must be able to verify the bug
> > objectively,
> > without resorting to anyone's word on it. If they were to rely
> > solely on ANY
> > player's word, it would be a very short step from there to
> > playing favorites
> > with players, or just APPEARING to do so. This is a very
> > difficult situation
> > to recover from, as you can guess.
> >
> > In order to prevent even the appearance of favoritism, Verant built the
> > policies and procedures for guides so that they would have to be able to
> > determine by the location of the corpse, the appearance of the corpse,
> > some other completely objective method to confirm the existence of a bugWe
> > causing the death, they have to refuse.
> >
> > Any situation reported by one player against another is also this way.
> > have to personally witness the situation, OR have a report (created byto
> > the player, using the /report <playername> command) that we know is
> > not subject to tampering, so that we can take action. I
> > personally encourage
> > players to send me a /tell when they have an emergency that requires one
> > of us to come and witness something.
> >
> > In this situation, what I would have preferred to have the guide do is
> > find the corpse, let you know where it was located, make sure it wasn'tso-called
> > invisible to you, and maybe explaining the procedures a bit
> > better. I can't
> > imagine why the corpse was warped so far away unless that is the
> > "safe point" of that zone, though I don't believe it is.AND Another
> >
> Of course it upsets you, Jeff, but remember that we have to have objectiveguide's
> verification. Now, keeping that in mind, think about this from the
> point of view. Their first observation is the corpse in its finallocation.
> Theynor
> were not present to see where the character had been prior to the death,
> is there any mechanism by which they can check that. All they see is atrue.
> corpse in a location OTHER than the safe point (which they know very well
> because it is where they "zone into" an area), which gives NO indication
> whatsoever as to how the death occurred. SO, what they would have to do
> is to accept your word for it which they are PROHIBITED from doing, not
> because you would lie to them, but because if they believe you, an honest
> player, and DON'T believe a known scammer, in a situation where there
> is no objective proof one way or another, the known scammer-type has
> a legitimate case for claiming favoritism. It's unfortunate, but it's
> Please keep in mind that the guides don't have the benefit of having madeconclusions
> all the observations you made by being there and therefore their
> aren't going to be the same as yours without allowing for the scenarioTaneran Dreamweaver
> above. I'm very sorry, because I do understand about having precious
> little time to actually enjoy the game.
>
> Cailleach
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kimes, Dean W. [mailto:Dean_Kimes@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 11:58 AM
> To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Bard Handicap of Sorts
>
>
> From: "Kimes, Dean W." <Dean_Kimes@...>
>
> I believe he already stated he got into the lava because of going linkdead
> didn't he? I don't want to read that whole long thing again.
> Point is, the
> GM' / Guides won't even help get your corpse when you die from a bug. I
> actually had a guide accuse me of purposely dragging mobs to a
> point where,
> if I died, my corpse would fall beneath the world in W karana. WTF? Like
> its hard to find a corpse in w karana near the q hills zone.
>
> Kitasi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Keith [mailto:kalekona@...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 3:36 PM
> To: eqbards@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [eqbards] Bard Handicap of Sorts
>
>
> From: Randy Keith <kalekona@...>
>
> Why is it that people seem to have it in thier head that GM's and Guides
> must help you if you cannot get
> your corpse?
>
> The ONLY reason they assist in corpse retreival is if it is stuck
> in a wall.
> Or fallen through the world.
> Or lost due to a verifiable bug.
>
> If you fall in lava. It is YOUR responsibility to get it back. (Hope you
> made friends)
>
> To say that GM's are worthless cause they told you "tough sh*t" is lke
> saying "Dang. I cut my toe off with
> this knife. Perhaps I should sue the hospital cause they can't put it back
> on."
>
> If you plan to play around dragons, lava, gods. You SHOULD expect trouble.
>
> I have died underneath Nagafen, but have still gotten my corpse.
> I have had
> guildmates lose thier corpses
> on the other side of Fear. I have had guildmates lose corpses "I forgot
> where" in Sol B. But they have all
> been retrieved. No GM was even called because they all were of our own
> doing. (Lag related or not).
>
> What you need is a group of people that you can trust to assist
> you when the
> chips are down.
>
> Perhaps it is just me, but, if you lose your corpse in lava,
> don't go crying
> about the GM's not running to
> your aid. They are not supposed to help you.
>
> Take responsibility of your own problems. If the problem is indeed a bug,
> then by all means call a GM.
>
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