Man you got of easy. I had a verifiable bug windows box to send in and they
walked me step by step thru what I could have done via hacking the program
file to cause the game to page fault. When I pointed out that even I had
been stupid enough to do that they could easily tell from the register
values and ban me. They said that'd be too late I'd have already been
rez'd. What the heck difference would it make to be rez'd only to be banned
a few days later?
Also their comments to you were pure bunk. They (Verant GM's and guides)
are very aware that a corpse can fall into a wall in one part of a zone and
appear out the other side somewhere else entirely. This is really bad in
Ak'Annon. I had a friend who died from the falling bug where you tried to
get out of the water and fail, falling to your death. I could see her
corpse under the water near the mines of malfunction where she died. I had
it targeted while she looted it... at the zone point into Steamfont where it
was sticking thru the wall.
Kitasi
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Illian [mailto:
jeff@...]
Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 12:43 PM
To:
eqbards@onelist.com
Subject: RE: [eqbards] Bard Handicap of Sorts
From: "Jeff Illian" <
jeff@...>
I had a similar experience when my wife's character died from a 131hp fall
near Blackburrow in Everfrost after zoning out of Permafrost (and if you
didn't know, that is across the zone). I got into with the Guides and the
Prexus GM for days after they refused to ressurect her and I too was
basically "accused" of dragging the corpse in an indirect way. Of course,
in the process it sounds like one of my mistakes was actually succeeding in
finding her corpse with my bard while waiting for our petition to go
through, although had I not found it, I don't think it would have made a
difference. Here are some excerpts from some e-mails from Cailleach, the
Prexus GM, regarding the subject.
> > Greetings! GM Cailleach here.
> >
> > In regard to your wife's character's death, please let me explain the
> > resurrection
> > policies. The reason I'm doing this is so that you will see the
> > restrictions
> > guides are
> > under and hopefully, why they are under them.
> >
> > Resurrections are provided only for deaths where it can be verified by
the
> > guide, with the tools available to them, that the death was due
> > to a bug. In
> > refusing to perform a resurrection, they are not calling anyone a
> > liar, but they
> >
> > are indicating to you that they must be able to verify the bug
> > objectively,
> > without resorting to anyone's word on it. If they were to rely
> > solely on ANY
> > player's word, it would be a very short step from there to
> > playing favorites
> > with players, or just APPEARING to do so. This is a very
> > difficult situation
> > to recover from, as you can guess.
> >
> > In order to prevent even the appearance of favoritism, Verant built the
> > policies and procedures for guides so that they would have to be able to
> > determine by the location of the corpse, the appearance of the corpse,
or
> > some other completely objective method to confirm the existence of a bug
> > causing the death, they have to refuse.
> >
> > Any situation reported by one player against another is also this way.
We
> > have to personally witness the situation, OR have a report (created by
> > the player, using the /report <playername> command) that we know is
> > not subject to tampering, so that we can take action. I
> > personally encourage
> > players to send me a /tell when they have an emergency that requires one
> > of us to come and witness something.
> >
> > In this situation, what I would have preferred to have the guide do is
to
> > find the corpse, let you know where it was located, make sure it wasn't
> > invisible to you, and maybe explaining the procedures a bit
> > better. I can't
> > imagine why the corpse was warped so far away unless that is the
so-called
> > "safe point" of that zone, though I don't believe it is.
> >
AND Another
> Of course it upsets you, Jeff, but remember that we have to have objective
> verification. Now, keeping that in mind, think about this from the
guide's
> point of view. Their first observation is the corpse in its final
location.
> They
> were not present to see where the character had been prior to the death,
nor
> is there any mechanism by which they can check that. All they see is a
> corpse in a location OTHER than the safe point (which they know very well
> because it is where they "zone into" an area), which gives NO indication
> whatsoever as to how the death occurred. SO, what they would have to do
> is to accept your word for it which they are PROHIBITED from doing, not
> because you would lie to them, but because if they believe you, an honest
> player, and DON'T believe a known scammer, in a situation where there
> is no objective proof one way or another, the known scammer-type has
> a legitimate case for claiming favoritism. It's unfortunate, but it's
true.
> Please keep in mind that the guides don't have the benefit of having made
> all the observations you made by being there and therefore their
conclusions
> aren't going to be the same as yours without allowing for the scenario
> above. I'm very sorry, because I do understand about having precious
> little time to actually enjoy the game.
>
> Cailleach
Taneran Dreamweaver
<Clan Jax>
Bard of the 30th song
Prexus
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kimes, Dean W. [mailto:Dean_Kimes@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 1999 11:58 AM
> To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Bard Handicap of Sorts
>
>
> From: "Kimes, Dean W." <Dean_Kimes@...>
>
> I believe he already stated he got into the lava because of going linkdead
> didn't he? I don't want to read that whole long thing again.
> Point is, the
> GM' / Guides won't even help get your corpse when you die from a bug. I
> actually had a guide accuse me of purposely dragging mobs to a
> point where,
> if I died, my corpse would fall beneath the world in W karana. WTF? Like
> its hard to find a corpse in w karana near the q hills zone.
>
> Kitasi
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Keith [mailto:kalekona@...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 1999 3:36 PM
> To: eqbards@onelist.com
> Subject: Re: [eqbards] Bard Handicap of Sorts
>
>
> From: Randy Keith <kalekona@...>
>
> Why is it that people seem to have it in thier head that GM's and Guides
> must help you if you cannot get
> your corpse?
>
> The ONLY reason they assist in corpse retreival is if it is stuck
> in a wall.
> Or fallen through the world.
> Or lost due to a verifiable bug.
>
> If you fall in lava. It is YOUR responsibility to get it back. (Hope you
> made friends)
>
> To say that GM's are worthless cause they told you "tough sh*t" is lke
> saying "Dang. I cut my toe off with
> this knife. Perhaps I should sue the hospital cause they can't put it back
> on."
>
> If you plan to play around dragons, lava, gods. You SHOULD expect trouble.
>
> I have died underneath Nagafen, but have still gotten my corpse.
> I have had
> guildmates lose thier corpses
> on the other side of Fear. I have had guildmates lose corpses "I forgot
> where" in Sol B. But they have all
> been retrieved. No GM was even called because they all were of our own
> doing. (Lag related or not).
>
> What you need is a group of people that you can trust to assist
> you when the
> chips are down.
>
> Perhaps it is just me, but, if you lose your corpse in lava,
> don't go crying
> about the GM's not running to
> your aid. They are not supposed to help you.
>
> Take responsibility of your own problems. If the problem is indeed a bug,
> then by all means call a GM.
>
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