A bards with kick, hmmm...
I just got a visual of a River Dance chorus line! Boy demm bards could do
some MAJOR damage. :D
Or maybe I have been watching to much PBS during the down time!
Keroauc Dharmabum
lvl 31 bard - and by the way, I am SOOOO tired of saying that I don't have
the mana song yet. It's invariably the FIRST question out of every casts
mouth when they sit down to med.
Rodcent Nife
----- Original Message -----
From: <John_Senior@...>
To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Are we Hybrids?
> From: John_Senior@...
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> I think bards getting bind would be good, however, I would prefer it if we
> had our melee skills raised so that we could be more effective in combat,
> we should have one more defence skill, Parry for example. And an attack
> skill like kick, I have legs, why can't I kick?? It's not like I'm asking
> for Double attack here, kick is an overlooked combat skill by alot of
> warriors, and if bards did get kick I'm not sure if they would all use it,
> this would involve another hotkey to mash away at. But to be honest at
> level 32 I don't usually mash the keys now I have mana song so it would be
> nice to have this skill addition.
>
> I say remove the daft instill doubt skill (what is the point?? We already
> have fear). And give us these skills
>
> Madagan Songweaver, Bard of 34 Songs <Lords of Chaos>
> Veeshan Server
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> "Robin Wise 3" <eurmali@...> on 18/01/2000 00:03:06
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> Subject: [eqbards] Are we Hybrids?
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> From: "Robin Wise 3" <eurmali@...>
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> >Message: 24
> > Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 15:24:46 -0600
> > From: Mike.Langlois@...
> >Subject: Re: Are we Hybrids?
> >
> <sorry for not inserting the original thread identifiers here>
> > >As much as I would love a bind song, it would go against how every song
> >works. Our songs are not permanent effects. They are not even long
> >lasting. In general, the effects we create only last for a few seconds
> >after we stop singing or playing our song. Binding is very different: it
> >is a permanent change to the environment.
> >
> > >The one exception to this is the charismatic catillion.
> >
> >I agree that all of our songs are temporary. But I would point out that
> >all spells in the game are temporary, with the exception of Bind.
> Magician
> >summoned items are no-rent, and all others are buffs, DD's, DoT's, Heals,
> >etc. There are no environment altering spells in the game that I know of
> >except Bind. Perhaps a case could be made for Mem Blur, but that's one
> >spell out of 700.
>
> Excellent example... and one which holds equally true for bards. When you
> play Solon's Song of the Sirens, you *permanently* erase the damage
> register
> of the charmed monster. This song removes, for the remainer of the
> monster's lifespan, all recollection of who did damage to it.
>
> The delineation of melee skills is compelling in my eyes as one reason
> bards
> are not hybrids. As John said, we're "not-a", or put another way we share
> characteristics of many classes without being classified as a member of
> that
> class. We're kinda like rogues (silly skills), kinda like enchanters
(some
> buffs, debuffs, and crowd control), kinda like shamans (some more buffs,
> minor healing). Yet we're not-a-fighter, not-a-healer, not-a-caster. We
> got plate mail for no other reason I can see than because we get hit so
> often - like clerics we were judged to be too fragile to drape in leather
> granted our huge taunt power and low hit points.
>
> I think Verant calls us hybrids only because they're trying to simplify
the
> description of classes. I think a more honest and accurate division would
> be as follows: there are 3 fighter classes (warrior, monk, rogue); 3
healer
> classes (cleric, shaman, druid); 4 caster classes (wizard, magician,
> enchanter, necromancer), 3 hybrid classes (ranger, paladin, shadowknight);
> and 1 bard class (bard). Our songs are NOT like the spells of any other
> class in the way they are implemented (pulses? what's a pulse? why would
> I
> weave spells?); we have unique nondisposable spell foci (instruments)
which
> are required for some spells (e.g. Shauri's Sonorous Clouding) and augment
> others; and almost every one of our spells improves linearly with the
level
> of the caster. Plus of course there's the fact that we only get one spell
> per level (well, in theory anyways). Ok, ok, they're songs, not spells -
> we
> differentiate our effects from all other casters', don't we? = )
>
> Regardless of whether bards are or are not hybrids, I think Verant's
> publicly expressed logic for why some classes get bind is easy to apply to
> bards. They claim that "casters" get bind because they die more often. I
> contend that bards die as often as any single casting class. Regardless
of
> arguments about travel time (e.g. bards don't need binding because they
run
> so fast - which would also eliminate druids from needing bind, as they can
> SoW, SoC, and port about), the reason why some classes have bind is
claimed
> to be due solely to the frequency of deaths of said class.
>
> Some food for thought, anyways...
>
> Aloro Silvertongue (E'ci)
> ~Flying Brethren~
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