> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 00:03:05 -0500
> From: "Tim Burke" <tjohnburke@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Welp... it was me :)
>
>
> >
> > Mages can summon a weapon every level. But Verant hasn't put the level
49
> > summon in the game yet. Only recently was the lvl 44 Summon Weapon
spell
> > put into the game. Still no word on the 49th spell. Mages are also
> > incomplete, according to your own definition.
> >
> Count the spells... a class that has over 120+ spells is missing 2...
> that's very different than a class with 50 missing three. BIG
DIFFERENCE!
Just doing a numerical count doesn't mean anything. Bards actually have
more useful spells than Mages. Bards don't get songs that are just an
upgrade to a previous song. Every other caster gets new spells that are
just upgrades to an older spell. Mages get 40 different Pet spells, 4 at
each circle. We get an upgraded DD spell every few circles. Once we get
an upgrade, the old spell goes to the back of the spellbook, where it is
almost never used.
If other casters got one spell that increased in power from lvl 1-50
instead of upgrades every circle or two, they would have many fewer spells
than Bards.
> Also, the two classes you mentioned have had what I would call
significant
> enhancements. Enhancements that noticabley changed the effectiveness of
> their class, and addressed MAJOR concerns. I'll stand by the statement
that
> although the recent enhancements make some songs more useful, Verant has
NOT
> addressed the major concerns of bards.
Everyone has their own idea as to what their major concerns are. For some
Bards, their major concern is to be able to "surf" while Seloing.
Why don't you list your major concerns?
-Your missing 3 spells have been addressed, they will be in the expansion.
> > Shaman had Alchemy bugged for 8 months before Verant could be convinced
it
> > was broken.
>
> You think after that Verant would learn from that mistake, and change the
> way they do things. Instead the lullaby post floats out there
unresponded
> to for 3 weeks?
Here is just a guess....
Verant doesn't want to respond to the Lillaby post until they can fully
test it themselves. Verant has screwed up many times by "testing" alchemy
or "testing" pet dual wield, and annoucing that nothing was broken, only to
find out later their tests were flawed.
> >
> > Bards get about the same attention as every other class. There is no
> > hatred of Bards at Verant, just as there is no special Bard Hate coded
in
> > the game.
>
> No, I don't think we are treated the same as other classes. What I see
is
> happening is bard issues being glanced over and pushed to the side. I
never
> said there was bard hatred at Verant, just that bards are a low priority
to
> Verant. Bottom-line - everything can't be that "A-1" priority. What I
> want to know is why bards aren't moved up that priority list more often?
Obviously you don't pay attention to any other class issues. Every single
class has huge threads on problems percieved in their class. Verant is
pushing aside 100's of issues not related to bards. Bards did get a new
spell with some other minor things. So they are dealing with Bard issues.
> >
> > Your problem is that you are only looking at it from your tiny little
Bard
> > portal. There are hundreds of things broken or missing in EQ. Verant
> > tries to fix them, but they do a very poor job. You seem to not care
> about
> > anything but fixing your Bard. Verant has to fix problems with every
> > class. They can't stop everything just to fix Bards.
> >
> Well, let me state the obvious... like any EQ player, I feel good
WHENEVER
> a game improvemt is implemented - whether it's an enhancement for another
> class or a quest fixed or a bug squashed. But yeah, your right... I have
> one character that I play - a bard. I wouldn't want to play any other
class
> but a bard. So I see things from that perpective. I am not asking them
to
> stop fixing everything to "... just to fix bards", I am simply asking
them
> to fix bards.
And Shadowknights are asking them to fix shadowknights, Rogues are asking
then to fix rogues, Paladins are ...... it goes on and on.
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> I am sure Verant and Sony are making A TON of money off this product, and
> considering that, should be able to make more resources available for
> product support. Again, your right - we can either complain louder or
quit.
> I enjoy the game the way it is, so I ain't quitting. But I am a paying
> customer, so I will be complaining louder. Hopefully it makes a
difference.
> It is not being selfish to get what you paid for.
You just got to lower your expectations when it comes to Verant. It's sad,
but I don't expect Verant to fix anything. When they do fix something, I
consider it a bonus. I've found my frustration level has gone way down and
I enjoy the game more.
I would like to see Verant to fix things, but I've realized that is not
likely to happen. Since EQ is currently the best, I've decided to live
with it and enjoy it as much as possible.
Wayne