Yeah, as I said in my last message, this is just what some members of my guild are arguing for Dragon
raids. No Bards. And even with six bards in the guild level 45 and up, we're having a hard time arguing
the point. We're *supposed* to be the most powerful *grouping* class in the game, but our songs have been
nerfed to the point where, even in a *full* group, someone else does it better. Have you seen the
discussions on other boards where people are asked to list their ideal parties, or the player type they
would choose to group with first? If we're the best grouping class, we should be way up on those lists,
shouldn't we? Instead, most people out there don't even put bards down as an alternate for the sixth
slot! I'm getting a complex.

Kenross Cantoforjado, 45.8 songs, Innoruuk

Ryan Honeyman wrote:

> I don't feel we are keeping balanced with other classes, but
> until we claim that - Verant will not see a problem. Everquest is
> turning toward a cleric + warrior game, strategies/abilities/spells or
> songs are really not meaningful in that scenario. When a group of
> people hunting gods, dragons, etc can say 'We really don't need a bard
> for this.', 'We need better tanks, and better healing, bards will just
> lag us.', 'I would rather have a warrior with decent gear instead of a
> bard.' - something is seriously wrong balance-wise.