Bards are wonderfully powerful if there are no casters around.
My group is just the opposite, there are no non-casters around, guild wide
pretty much.
I am 23rd level. I don't play enough hours to gain even two levels in 3
weeks though.
I like Sol A a lot, but I can't be effective in Sol A. I can't really tank
and if a group is caster heavy they really have no other use for me. This
has done nothing but continue to foster my opinion that melee classes are
not useful until you get to the level where they artificially created a use
for them by giving critters insane resists. The cleric can tank as well for
this group as I can. His heals of himself when he tanks are sufficient
taunt to keep the mobs on him and the other casters can easily make it a
one-gob fight 90% of the time.
Kit
what level are you kit?
I leveled from 25 - 34 in 3 weeks in sol a. I don't think I totaled more
than 6 deaths for the entire span.
If you give me your level, I would be glad to tell you where I hunted, the
group makeup, what we had trouble with, etc. Personally I found sol a to be
my favorite zone. It's rarely crowded, has good loot, TONS of goblins to
pull, great exp and I found myself to be a very valuable member of the
group.
One group in paricular was bard (me), 2 monks, 2 rangers and 1 warrior. We
were about level 30 and camped in the bar. The carnage that we created was
unbelievable. We finished every single fight at full health, including one
where we had a mix of 8 inferno, fire and flame goblins, including 2 wizzies
and 2 shamen. It was by far one of the best displays of how powerful bards
are. I sang Hymn with lute, anthem and psalm of warmth and we were
unstoppable.
Draelon Stormsong
-----Original Message-----
From: Kimes, Dean W. [mailto:
dean_kimes@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 1:04 PM
To: '
eqbards@onelist.com'
Subject: RE: [eqbards] Attack speedups
I would try that, but the cleric would probably just let me die to prove his
point. In Sol A it is a big taunt. If I play Hymn and my two other songs I
definitely get the bulk of the attention. The last 6 times we have had
deaths in our Sol A groups, on 5 of them the deaths have gone like this.
1st death: me, 2nd death: other bard (lower level), 3rd death: other melee
person. The two bards have died a combined 15 times in our Sol A guild
groups. The other guildmembers have died a grand total of 6 times combined.
Every time there is a bad pull or we get trained its the bards that pay the
price. On one occasion the enchanter got waxed first by a wizard, but we
were not far behind even then.
Kitasi
-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin L. Crawford [mailto:
Lyrnia@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 10:45 AM
To:
eqbards@onelist.com
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Attack speedups
Hmm sounds like you're letting your group dictate how to play your class.
DONT buy into it. You know how to be a bard better than they do. Hymn is
NOT that big a taunt. Especially in today's dungeons. They're _hardly_
dangerous. I can walk the entire length of lower guk, live to dead side,
and I might actually pull a train of 3 critters.
Play your class the way you think it should be played. Generally I find out
who's doing what and then I go, OK, I'm going to be doing X. If they argue
I simply state "You be a (insert class here), I'll be a Bard. If you don't
like it, lets trade accounts".
That usually shuts them up.
Bottom line: You play your character, don't let others tell you how :)
Lyrnia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kimes, Dean W." <dean_kimes@...>
To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 4:41 PM
Subject: RE: [eqbards] Attack speedups
> From: "Kimes, Dean W." <dean_kimes@...>
>
> Our enchanter seems to have no trouble keeping both tanks Alacrity'd thru
> the night and still does crowd control. Yes I could give us all a
speedup,
> but since the only other person even meleeing is a cleric it wouldn't help
> much. My finger-twiddling is much better spent on Chant of Battle if the
> enchanter is there to Alacrity. If he's not then Anthem gets back in the
> mix. If bards excel at anything its that we can fill in as a substitute
> just-about-anything. Problem I'm starting to find is that I'm only able
to
> get into groups that are lacking something if there isn't a person looking
> to group who's better at that thing as a primary role. When I do get in
> lately its always as a tank.
>
> Last 3 nites: Don't chain, we're darknessing. Don't anthem we're
> alacritying. Don't Chant we're skin like something or othering. Don't
Hymn
> or you'll get too much attention and die. Didn't leave much of anything
for
> me to do but swing, bellow and go owie. Occasionally we'd pull a wizard
or
> shaman gobie and I'd throw the resistances in.
>
> Towards the end of the night I get asked in group tell, "Can't you do
> anything but Bellow? I thought bards had all kinds of cool songs." My
> reply? Didn't have one, told them "I am retiring to the OOT to
contemplate
> life while beating head on gargoyles for a while."
>
> Kit
> one very wet minstrel with a headache
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perhaps a Princess... [mailto:sarah@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 2:32 PM
> To: eqbards@onelist.com
> Subject: RE: [eqbards] Attack speedups
>
>
> From: "Perhaps a Princess..." <sarah@...>
>
> Swift Like the Wind costs a LOT of mana, and doesn't last as long as
> the lower level speed up buff. Add onto this that there is a speed
> beyond which a weapon can't get any faster. And Swift Like the Wind,
> in higher levels, isn't even used on people with haste sashes. Not
> worth it.
>
> So. Sometimes a minor speedup is good enough.
>
> Quicken is very definitely a combat buff. And fairly high mana. Grouped,
> I'd put it on my main tank and let a bard handle the speedup for the
> rest, preferring to use mana for crowd control, or other circumstances
> rather than keeping everyone Quickened.
>
> Just because it is better does not mean that it is always the best
> use of the enchanter's mana. Bards ARE Still needed.
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Sylly Songsynger [mailto:jgs@...]
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 11:56 AM
>
> >>From Eq Casters Realm:
>
> >Swift Like The Wind
> >---------------------
> >Target: Increase Attack Speed +160.
> >Description:Great for tanks when grouped. Increases the amount of times
you
> >will hit in a round against an enemy. In large/long battles it can make a
> >huge difference. Quite deadly when used in conjunction with Languid
> >Pace/Tepid Deeds. Combine these 2 spells when possible.. talk
> >about breaking
> >the odds. Slows down your opponent, increases your attack rate
> >This spell doesn't stack with Augmentation, but as such it provides over
> >double the attack speed for the target and is usually preferred anyway.
The
> >other important thing is that this spell helps increase combat skill gain
> >since you are making more skill rolls with your attack.
> >----------------------
>
> >So, when SLTW " provides over double the attack speed " - it hardly
matters
> >if VoV does a 35.271% increase or a 36.983% increase. Enchanter
> >speed buffs
> >are where it's at. I use Warsong because my enchanter wont give me SLTW.
> >She says she does not want me to die that quickly. But then again
Innoruuk
> >killed her and not me ;p
> >
> >Sylly Songsynger
> ><The Pantheon>
> >Bardette of 49 songs (yes, finally)
> >... somewhere on Innoruuk
> >http://www.sba.uwm.edu/jgs/sylly
>
>
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