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Message ID: 20323
Date: Wed Jul 5 21:51:43 BST 2000
Author: Adam Wasserman
Subject: RE: [eqbards] getting new friends
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Wasserman" <wassermana@...>
To: <eqbards@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 2:58 PM
Subject: RE: [eqbards] getting new friends
> I still disagree. I have both a ranger and a bard.
>
> In combat, my ranger
>
> Kicks
> Taunts
> Snares (once per mob)
> Flame Licks occaisionally for additional taunt
>
> That's about it. In the 23 levels of my ranger, I've never had trouble
> chatting while fighting, and I rarely miss a beat with any of my buttons.
>
> In combat my bard
>
> Sings song 1
> Sings song 2
> Sings song 3
> Occasisionally sings song 4
> Assists several times
> Launches pet when charming
> Targets all over the place to keep things charmed / mezzed
> Switches Instruments if doing an all song attack
>
> In 47 levels, I've never been able to get out a single sentance during
> combat, unless it was 3 words or less.
>
> In terms of pure button pushing, if I push 2 buttons every 3-6 seconds,
that
> adds up to WAY more than pushing 2 buttons every 6-12 seconds (taunt and
> kick refresh to the best of my recollection) with an occasional extra
button
> press to throw off a spell.
>
> Put it to the test, count the button pushes with your ranger in an average
> 60 second fight, vs those of your bard. Unless you're a 1 song wonder
(which
> I doubt) I'd put my money on the bard every time to have more button
pushes.
>
> Drae
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin L. Crawford [mailto:Lyrnia@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 2:50 PM
> To: eqbards@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [eqbards] getting new friends
>
>
> heh believe what you want. I didn't say primary tank. Rangers are NOT
> primary tanks. Rangers are 2ndary and as such they should ALWAYS watch
> EVERYONE (including the bard) because they're the next best tank in the
> group (unless there is an SK or Pally)
>
> Snare isn't quite as easy as you think unless you just don't bother
snaring
> every critter. Its not easy to pop-target 6 mobs to make sure they're
> snared then get back on the right one. Trust me there is a LOT of button
> pushing if you're a GOOD ranger, just like there is if you're a GOOD bard.
>
> Me and the bard I run with (when I'm not playing my bard) have a blast. I
> pop-snare an entire room while they beat on me and he sings Largo's then
he
> AE fear's while AE dotting I beat up one at a time and we rake in XP hand
> over fist.
>
> I'm sorry that you don't agree but obviously you have a different style
with
> your warrior than I do with my ranger. As a Ranger I see it as my job to
> make sure every un-engaged mob stays OFF every other party member and is
> either rooted, snared or otherwise occupied so that the casters can do
their
> jobs without being killed (and a bard, in this case, is considred a caster
> by me).
>
> Bottom line:
> Bards have to time their button presses, others don't. That does not mean
a
> bard is pushing more buttons. And if your bard is pounding Sense heading
> during combat then he's a fool. The ranger CAN do it without reducing his
> overall effectiveness, so he does. In fact I'll sometimes even pop
tracking
> just to see what's around. A bard can't do that while trying to twist 3
> songs because of timing. Does that mean a bard is hitting more buttons?
> Nope, just means they have to time their button presses. I don't so I
tend
> to pound buttons non-stop as a ranger.
>
> Matter of fact, I would say that when playing my ranger my fingers never
> stop moving unless we're resting between fights. Even then I'm hitting
> track now and then to see if a named has popped.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Big Daddy Legba" <legba@...>
> To: <eqbards@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 1:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [eqbards] getting new friends
>
>
> > Sense Heading: That goes for any character, not just rangers...
Perhaps
> > bard have a slightly higher int which would help a small amount.
> >
> > Make sure you have the correct target? What class doesn't have to do
> that?
> >
> > Snare: Not exactly tough to do, when you get the snare breaks message,
> cast
> > it again.
> >
> > Hit Kick: Yup
> >
> > Taunt: Why would you hit taunt all the time? It only works when the
> monster
> > is on someone else. And again when it light up you hit it. Very easy.
> >
> > Keep an eye on casters: I do this more as a bard than my roomate does
as
> a
> > warrior. Why? because he's the tank, I want to stay on the main
monster,
> > let the extra mellees help the casters.
> >
> > No offense taken, but I can't disagree more with what you said. My
first
> > char was a warrior, who is the exact same thing, minus the snare...
> >
> >
> >
> > Hit Sense heading constantly to max skill
> > Make sure you have correct target
> > Make sure target stays snared (esp painful if there's a magician in the
> grou
> > **curses all magicians and their stupid earth pets**)
> > Hit Kick when button recycles
> > Hit Taunt whenever button recycles (unless there is a warrior in the
> group)
> > Keep an eye on the casters to make sure nothing jumps them. If it does,
> run
> > over, taunt it away and stick-root it.
> >
> > No offense guys. I've played 3 bards over 20th level (beta, test and
> > release server) (Beta to 30, Test to 51, Release server to 46) and, yes,
> we
> > have a lot of button pushing to do. But all other hybrids have it just
as
> > bad, if not worse:
> >
> >
> >
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