>
> well, the outcome in 99.9% of the fights is the same, i (and my group) win.
> for
> a while last night our monk was linkdead. we continued fighting. the outcome
> was
> the same every time (we won). does that mean that monk melee is meaningless?
> and what about the 90% of the population who don't get to 55 and don't get
> cantana?
>

The perception of effectiveness is what I'm talking about, not the absolute
effectiveness. You could "enchance" the group by chain casting invigor from
your vambraces all night, but it wouldn't be much fun.

>
> totally untrue. i was in karnors last night and pulling skeletal berserkers
> and
> curates and sentries of sathir and the ever present dogs. group was wiz, me,
> warrior, warrior, warrior, monk. we did non stop pulls. got singles or
> doubles
> every time (i was doing the pulling since it's more considerate to lament the
> mobs on the way back than feigning them onto the other group fighting while
> feign splitting).

Camping the front quarter of karnors is not what I'm talking about when I
say "getting things done". I'm speaking of going deep into the higher level
dungeons. Take that karnors group and head off into the back castle and
explore it. Then tell me you were as capable as a balanced group of equal
level.

>
> ok so tell THEM about it. posting it on this list does not get it to THEM.
>

You have a point. Never-ending complaining is irritating. I think part of
the idea is that people are trying to build support for this point-of-view.
A logical way to do that is to communicate with people who are likely to
share the same view as you do. At some point it becomes moot. So, take
heart, that point is nearly here.