Sorry, didn't get back to email until this afternoon. This is a good
explanation of my point, and no it was not directed at Shada. As a
further post to the list said, other than easy camps like the karnors
zone line, high level play in Kunark requires near optimum groups unless
you want to spend a lot of time either evacing or doing CR, and in those
groups, the only effective way to play our class is reduced to being a
mana/hp battery. Even then, the group _will_ have an enchanter, and
clarity/clarity2 is enough that a bard becomes an expendable luxury
who's spot could easily be filled by someone who would make the group
more effective. I had great hopes that their reevaluation of lullaby
might let bards actually be an alternative to the enchanter, without
which most groups wont go near places like Howling Stones or deep in
Sebilis, but as usual Verant doesn't want to give us that kind of power,
leaving us ineffective there, as much as we are ineffective at slowing
mobs.
On Thu, Sep 21/00, Mike Merck <mmerck@...> wrote:
>
> I think the problem is that most of us have already re-evaluated our
> playlists and determined that in 95% off all balanced groups, the most
> effective thing you can do is be a mana/hp battery. The Cantana/Nivs/Mana
> song combo is so powerful, it's almost always the "best" thing you can do.
> Unfortunetly we are all too used to being effective in a variety of ways,
> not just one way. Even if you melee while singing the "battery" songs, you
> aren't scratching the mobs. Test it, fight a certain number of fights
> meleeing and not meleeing. You'll percieve absolutely no difference in
> outcomes. So You might as well just turn on your gamepad macro and go watch
> a movie.
>
> Sure, we still shine in broken, unbalanced groups, but those very same
> groups can't really "get anything done" in kunark. At least not when you
> compare them to groups that are balanced.
>
> So, yeah. It's their world. They make the rules. This doesn't mean that
> people don't have the right to tell them that the rules they have made for
> the bard class squeeze the fun out of it at higher levels.
> >
> > Nice come back. That is exactly how I play (yea right) What the
> > hell does this bug fix have to do with the songs I play? It actually
> > forces me to rethink what songs I sing! For instance, do I play
> > Celerity to get closer to max haste or do I play McVaxius? In case
> > you missed something, this fix actually makes haste spell upgrades
> > worth something! (Does this sound like a movie watching mana bard?)
> >
> > I think that you got it backwards. Many of you think that this just
> > adds to the "nerfing us to total mana batteries" BS! This makes me
> > re-evaluate my line up.
> >
> > P.S. Thanks for ASSuming you know my playing style.
> >
> >
> > --- In eqbards@egroups.com, jhenders@b... wrote:
> >> It is nice to see it's got buy in from those that like to watch
> > movies
> >> while playing the mana song though.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 20/00, "Garramone, Michael (CCI-Las Vegas)"
> > <garramone@l...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I couldn't agree less =b
> >>>
> >>> Shada
> >>>
> >>>>> Goodness, people bitch way too much about VI. What part of,
> > "You're
> >>>>> in our world now" did you people not understand? Was that not
> > a clue
> >>>>> when you started playing this game? Max haste was a known bug
> > that
> >>>>> EVERYONE was exploiting. They fixed it, get over it.
> >>>>
> >>>> I couldn't agree more.
> >>>>
> >>>> ---Windleaf Mistsong
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