Well spoken SnowLynx. *stands and applauds*
Berrillian
Bard of the 10th Circle
Realm of Tarew Marr
Mark Simmons
simtek@...
SimTek Computers - Merritt Island, FL
Computer Renaissance 30200 - Orlando, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: JR McConnell <jr@...>
To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 1999 19:44 PM
Subject: [eqbards] Re: A lot of misinformation
> From: "JR McConnell" <jr@...>
>
> After having read the original message, and this further explanation I
feel
> very uncomfortable. A bard in the classical sense was a teacher of the
> masses, in their historical guise as first level Druids they where charged
> with helping the masses where the priests where unable to. Their stories
and
> songs contained news, moral lessons, and good advice on life, love, and
> happiness. For any to say you are wrong, and I do not have the time to
> correct is only self serving. Even the message I am replying to seems more
a
> justification that and explanation... Even to say Look at my 'experience'
is
> a misnomer for much 'experience' can be granted for being in the right
place
> at the right time. It does not mean one has learned anything.
>
> A bard never has to say here are my credentials, for they know it is in
> their words, songs, and actions where they will be found. A bard is a
> chronicler of others not themselves. Leaving it to others to decide on the
> value of their works. I am greatly distressed by this thread, but more
over
> the personal attack on others without offering help. For that shows one
that
> is more worried about being found inadequate rather than wishing to be a
> light in the darkness. For it is good to offer what one thinks is true,
and
> allow ones self to be corrected. rather than keep quiet and not know the
> true value of ones knowledge.
>
> It is easy to throw snipes, to be a source takes much more.
>
> I also an thankful this thread came up, for I had just sent a application
> to that guild. For it has allowed me to see I was wrong in applying. I am
> glad for it allows me to ask that the application be rescinded before
anyone
> puts any work into it. I can not belong to a group that would allow, and
> possibly foster this attitude. For a group is as strong as it weakest
> member. and all members reflect on the whole. I have nothing bad to say
> about them, and still believe them to be a good group, with good ideals.
it
> is just not for me.
>
> I wish I could find a guild that I feel comfortable with, and may some day
> will. Who knows maybe I will find a like group of people who seek service
to
> others over personal fame and recognition. I may someday find a group who
> think the same as I and we could form such a group our selves. but that is
> to time to choose...
>
> So please, if you have advise to offer, please do. If not please do not
> just defame, but rather allow others to offer the proper corrections. For
it
> will help the poster as well as the reader if a post (no matter how wrong)
> is made. so all can find the truth. To remain silent is to remain
ignorant.
> I am not saying that you do not have a right to your option, say what you
> feel you should, I only hope to say that others should not stop speaking
for
> worry of what another may say. For if I have a problem, that is what the
> 'Ignore' feature of my Mail client is for...
>
> - SnowLynx, Gentleman Bard of Freeport...
>
> PS - I have left the reply train mostly in tact (which is unlike I usually
> do, for I like to keep them short but) for those that do not have access
to
> the full train of thought that I am replying to. I am sorry, but felt it
> important in this respect. I will do my best to refrain from doing it
again.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Pickle [mailto:scottp@...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 5:11 PM
> > To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
> > Subject: [eqbards] Re: A lot of misinformation
> >
> >
> > From: Scott Pickle <scottp@...>
> >
> > Dear Berk,
> >
> > 'Tis sad to see a bard speak so harshly. You don't know me well, then.
My
> > intent is to prevent a novice bard from getting incorrect information.
> >
> > Being a founder of the Soerbaird, with members who have put hours of
time
> > into various Beta Phases, and much research into all things
> > Bardic, I would
> > say I have access to a lot of good information and research. I
> > need only to
> > turn to my fellow Soerbaird for accurate information I don't
> > already have. A
> > level 25 bard in our guild seems to be quite a rich source of
experiential
> > knowledge.
> >
> > Our guild is built to be a boon for Bards, and thus it's my
> > charge, as well
> > as the charge all Soerbaird to be helpful.
> >
> > I guess I don't think it's arrogant or selfish to ask people to
> > be accurate
> > rather than wrong. I don't think young bards want to be given incorrect
> > information. "Guesstimates" are fine, so long as they are posed
> > that way. My
> > contention was that people were posting incorrect information as truth.
> >
> > As for time, I give what time I have to providing a source of
> > information to
> > Soerbaird as well as to anyone interested. I built the Soerbaird
> > web site as
> > a resource for you or anyone else - as well as for my guild. I have
indeed
> > invested many hours into developing this information storehouse
> > for you and
> > anyone else.
> >
> > While it's only 1 week old, the site will soon be overflowing with
> > information for young and old bards alike. I can tell you the
> > leaders of the
> > Soerbaird spend little time powergaming, and much time tinkering with
> > quests, writing ballads, and testing techniques for bards.
> >
> > As you might imagine, it takes time to document research, and I'm always
> > grateful to those who do.
> >
> > Dendall, Ollave of the Aegis
> > http://www.soerbaird.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Rice [mailto:johnrice@...]
> > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 1:49 PM
> > To: eqbards@onelist.com
> > Subject: [eqbards] Re: A lot of misinformation
> >
> >
> > From: "John Rice" <johnrice@...>
> >
> > Why don't you enlighten all us poor dunces
> > with your incredible deductive prowess?
> >
> > Oh, what, you don't have the time?
> >
> > You would prefer to passively benefit only
> > from the most exacting research of others,
> > and not their guesstimates? Personally I follow
> > the big grain of salt rule for almost anything
> > that comes across my cable modem.
> >
> > My preliminary deduction is that you are selfish
> > and arrogant.
> >
> > Berk Half-Elven
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Pickle [mailto:scottp@...]
> > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 4:05 PM
> > > To: 'eqbards@onelist.com'
> > > Subject: [eqbards] A lot of misinformation
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Scott Pickle <scottp@...>
> > >
> > > I could spend hours trying to correct a lot of misinformation
> > being posted
> > > by some people. I would ask that if you aren't 100% sure about the
> > > information you give, don't post it as a statement, rather ask it as a
> > > question.
> > >
> > > It reveals to me there's a lot of poor deductive logic going on
> > with some
> > > players - drawing conclusions from game experiences that are
> > more based on
> > > coincidence than on good research.
> > >
> > > I don't care to try and correct some of these things - I just ask
that,
> > > going forward, people be more cautious about the things they declare
as
> > > truth.
> > >
> > > There's a big difference between:
> > >
> > > ---- "Hill Giants can outrun Selo's"
> > > and
> > > ---- "A Hill Giant seemed to outrun my Selo's, has anyone else
> > seen this?"
> > > The complicated thing is that one MAY have tested this fully, and
> > > thus could
> > > say:
> > > ---- "I tried running 10 times from a Hill Giant and here are the
> > > results...."
> > >
> > > - Dendall, Ollave of the Aegis
> > > http://www.soerbaird.com
>
>
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