Not sure what you are talking about here. Tinkerers are not their own
class, and probably won't be. If a gnomish wizard tinkers a pet, you have a
better wizard. This would be true for any class a gnome can be, although
the impact on magicians and necromancers would be less. The pet would have
to be fairly silly to pass the balancing stick of Verant. Lowering the cost
of the skill across the board would make it a little more useful, but that
probably won't happen with their current policy of taking hoards of plat out
of the game.
It isn't a matter of unbalancing the world, but the tinkerer. Why would you
play any other race (aside from roleplaying or class restrictions) if you
could be a tinkering gnome?
>From: <jcs0001@...>
>Reply-To: EQ_Tinkering@egroups.com
>To: <EQ_Tinkering@egroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [EQ_Tinkering] Re: The Creation of Clockwork Machines
>Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 20:48:50 -0500
>
>Good GOD.. 2 Million a MONTH???
>
>You would think that they could Really afford to flesh this thing
>out then.
>
>Clockworks couldn't BE a trade system. They would be PETS nothing more,
>nothing less. Although they could be very POWERFUL pets, that would
>offset the fact that a MASTER TINKERER (MT) wouldn't have available to him
>the amenities of other classes that can have pets. MASTER TINKERERS
>wouldn't have the ability to cast spells, although through their
>creations could approximate the effect of spells through their Tinkers.
>
>The issue of these things unbalancing the world through their sale
>wouldn't BE a factor because all that would have to be done is make the
>life of these Tinkers finite. Rebreathers and Aqualungs for example
>would disintegrate FASTER than they do now if not being used by a
>MASTER TINKERER. This would be due to an implied ability of the MT to
>perform the required maintenance on the objects he creates. (No ACTUAL
>maintenance would have to be performed mind you, just having the object
>in one's inventory would be enough to extend the life of a Tinker)
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Aranathes Bonethrower [mailto:aranathes@...]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 7:47 PM
>To: EQ_Tinkering@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [EQ_Tinkering] Re: The Creation of Clockwork Machines
>
>
>Heh, and the letter I sent in was just to improve the fireworks. =)
>
>Ghirardelli
>48 necro - e'ci
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gazamel Prime" <gazamel@...>
>To: <EQ_Tinkering@egroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2000 7:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [EQ_Tinkering] Re: The Creation of Clockwork Machines
>
>
> > I agree with much of what you have in this post. I
> > highly doubt, however, that they will include
> > clockwork pets on any scale beyond a novelty. Trade
> > skills weren't really meant to become this elaborate,
> > at least that's the message I've gotten from all of
> > the staff I've talked to at Verant.
> >
> > Just to clarify one point you made below.. you really
> > took a low guess at their revenue numbers.. Last I
> > heard, the monthly income from EQ is > 2M/month (there
> > are over 200k subscribed players)
> >
> > hrmmmm....
> >
> > Gazamel Prime
> > Champion of Ak'Anon, 54 medals
> > Master Tinker of 127 Aqualungs
> > Solusek Ro
> >
> > --- jcs0001@... wrote:
> > > Well, I definately hope that Virant does SOMETHING
> > > with the
> > > Tinkering, because as of 6PM Jun 20th there are
> > > roughly 50,000 people
> > > playing Everquest. Now, this is a low figure, as the
> > > TEST server is
> > > down and its not a weekend, where most servers
> > > average more than 2000
> > > people at a time, and not 1600 as it is right now.
> > >
> > > This means Verant is Making the profit from the
> > > actual SALES of
> > > Everquest AND at least FIVE-HUNDRED-THOUSAND dollars
> > > a month on top
> > > of that.
> > >
> > > Figures taken from:
> > > ... 50,000 people
> > > ...x $ 100 a year (assuming they pay PER six months
> > > and not per month)
> > > ......� 12 months
> > > ---------
> > > $ 500,000 PER MONTH
> > >
> > > My point being this. If they are making so much damn
> > > money a month,
> > > they can get off thier collective butts and do
> > > something about
> > > Tinkering. I know it has been said that it will be
> > > coming after the
> > > Poison Patch, but DAMN.
> > >
> > > Ya Know?
> > >
> > > Im talking Clockwork Pets Here.
> > >
> > > If the all the components of a corpse can be
> > > collected, then there
> > > should be corresponding brainboxes to them, and we
> > > should be able to
> > > create them.
> > >
> > > If people cry out "UNBALANCING!" then we should
> > > remind them that it
> > > takes THOUSANDS of plat to Level our skills, and
> > > that the components
> > > to the brainboxes for these things should be
> > > difficult to quest by
> > > corresponding to the Creature being Clockworked.
> > >
> > > (SC) Small Creatures : Brainboxes can be bought
> > > or made for 5-20pp
> > > (LC) Large Creatures : 25-55pp
> > > (SH) Small Humanoid : 60-125pp
> > > (LH) Large Humanoid : 130-250pp
> > > (VLH) VERY Large Humanoid : 255-500pp
> > > (VLC) VERY Large Creature : 1000-5000pp
> > >
> > > The large gap between VLH's and VLC's is because
> > > Ogres and Trolls
> > > wouldnt do NEAR as much damage as Krackens and
> > > Dragons.
> > >
> > > This should keep the VLH/VLC Clockworks from being a
> > > dime a dozen.
> > >
> > > Of course the actual costs and quest difficulties
> > > can be hashed over
> > > for balance, but this shouldnt cause any unbalancing
> > > issues if done
> > > right.
> > >
> > > Verant is being PAID to do it right, and keep us
> > > PAYING people happy.
> > >
> > > To make things more balanced, Tinkering could be
> > > made a Race-Specific
> > > Specialty-Class. This would work by keeping
> > > Tinkering a Gnome trait
> > > available to ALL GNOMES, but those Gnomes that
> > > choose to become a
> > > MASTER-TINKERER would have to coose to do so as a
> > > CLASS just like a
> > > Magic-User has to choose what type of caster he
> > > wants to be, a Gnome
> > > would have to choose between being a normal class of
> > > Gnome, or a
> > > MASTER-TINKERER.
> > >
> > > Gnomes that do this would be able to create the more
> > > elaborate
> > > Tinkers such as the VLC's and VLH's and the more
> > > sought-after pieces
> > > of equipment.
> > >
> > > If you are asking about the balance of having
> > > characters with Pet
> > > Clockwork Dragons or Krackens', then remember. These
> > > MASTER-TINKERERS
> > > have to spend hundreds of plat just to earn the
> > > SKILL to create these
> > > creatures, and then spend the time to collect the
> > > pieces of these
> > > creatures (How many dragons do you think it would
> > > take to kill, just
> > > to collect every single dragon piece? Thats a LOT of
> > > WORK), and then
> > > the pure plat and time to collect the pieces to
> > > thier brainbox!
> > >
> > > What if it fails? We are talking possibly 3-4 WEEKS
> > > Real time in lost
> > > Plat and Time, all in a blink of an eye.
> > >
> > > Sure, there would be lots of Clockwork rats and
> > > spiders, but who
> > > cares? My Enchanter's First-level apparition can
> > > demolish those! Its
> > > not like they would be the most sturdy of
> > > Clockworks...
> > >
> > > If you have taken the time to read this Very long
> > > Post,
> > >
> > > Please offer your opinion.
> > >
> > > Thank-you for your time.
> > >
> > >
> >
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