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Message ID: 10738
Date: Tue Nov 30 18:33:50 GMT 1999
Author: Kimes, Dean W.
Subject: RE: RE: Great post on item balancing (Long)


From: "Wayne Sheppard" <mrwayne@...>

Clerics.

>Clerics get impossible Quest armor plus level 46+ Plane armor. I don't
think there >is anything else out there that is Cleric only
>(I could be wrong).

Huh? Impossible quest armor? To get the boots you have to kill... nothing
all it requires is time. To get the gauntlets you have to kill...
Babbinsbort, please. I have already killed him twice at 21st level in a
group where I was the highest level there at 20. Greaves, kill Maugrim.
Yay, he's tough, killed him in a level 19-21 group. Hint on both the
previous two (get a bard, they have a very hard time when everyone has an MR
over 100). The bracers are a pain. Not that hard really to kill Zahal,
just a lot of running need a ranger's help. The shield isn't that hard
either, Glacial Bear and Mino Sentry are not that tough. In fact so far
none of these mobs are as tough as the hill giant or griffin you have to
kill for every single piece of bard armor. The only cleric armor pieces
that might be impossible are the ones that require you to kill a heavily
camped spawn, and I bet you could get some of those for free from someone
wanting the Kedge totem for example.
There may not be other cleric only weapons, but there are other items that
are cleric plus a few others that are very handy. The Shining Star of Light
is the best weapon in the game at least until 15th level or so. Having
cleanse as a proc means never worrying about Poison or disease, etc. from a
mob. They sell regularly for 75pp while Dirks never go above 40pp, go
figure.

> My next point regards weapons. If they are trying to balance the items,
why
> is it I am still using the same weapons at 21st level I used at 12th
level?
> There really isn't anything much better than my dragoon dirk and screaming
> mace available for bards at my level.

>Thats the price you have to pay for playing on an aged server. Dirks are
everywhere >due to a flooded market when Dvinn used to drop
>it everytime. If you were on a new server, you wouldn't be seeing a Dirk
or Screamer >until the mid to high teens. Many of the
>people that played at the start used those weapons well into their 30's.

Problem is I was on the serve within a month of its startup. I still got a
dirk at level 12 by helping kill Dvinn. I also got a Screaming Mace by
doing the quest and helping kill Crush for the tunic at level 12. Also got
my own tunic immediately afterwards the same way. You could get either of
these in a good group at level 12-16, but then your next weapon that is
better is level 25+? That makes little sense and is not true for the other
melee or hybrid-melee classes. except maybe Rogues, not too sure what stuff
they get. I agree many have done this keeping those things until 30th, but
with new quest weapons and such it is only true now for a few classes or
non-questers. Maybe my group will break down and go Mucktail hunting and I
will upgrade to a PGT if I win the lotto, but it certainly isn't 200pp
better than my dirk. I just don't understand why they leave out levels
16-25 for some classes to get better equipment and not others unless its
because they only cater to their own internal class interests.

Kitasi