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Message ID: 11179
Date: Sat Dec 4 04:14:52 GMT 1999
Author: Dark
Subject: Re: Bard sit in or Mana Song walkout or whatever (long, possibly rant ish)


Ahh well the problem here and why I usually ignore most low levels
complaints not because your low level but because you usally don't have the
info. Every class goes through weak period and overall a level 50 bard is
extremly powerful and a great group member. I also play a level 50 necro and
I guaruntee you every class has it weak points. I almost quit my necro at
level 34 because they go through a extremly weak period at 30-43. Onec they
hit 44 they get pretty good and by 49 they become the most powerful solo
class in the game which is what was promised for the necro class. Bards on
the otherhand are not supposed to be great at any one thing they are the
jack of all trades and in the end they can do a bit of everything.

Naeeldar

-----Original Message-----
From: Donny Dane <ddane@...>
To: eqbards@onelist.com <eqbards@onelist.com>
Date: Friday, December 03, 1999 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [eqbards] Bard sit in or Mana Song walkout or whatever (long,
possibly rant ish)


>From: "Donny Dane" <ddane@...>
>
>See Comments Below:
>----- Original Message -----
>From: SteelWolf <steelwolf@...>
>To: <eqbards@onelist.com>
>Sent: Friday, December 03, 1999 7:23 PM
>Subject: Re: [eqbards] Bard sit in or Mana Song walkout or whatever (long,
>possibly rant ish)
>
>
>> From: SteelWolf <steelwolf@...>
>>
>> I find this uninformed. We are perhaps the most versatile class in the
>> game. People that can find nothing but faults in their class make me
>> think one thought - you are playing the wrong class. We have so many
>> ways at our disposal to do almost anything, it's truely terrifying.
>>
>> Dodge is capped at 125 for a reason - a bard is not a tank. This is also
>> why we don't get bash, parry, or double attack. When dodge caps at L24
>> you already should have begun occupying roles in your party other than
>> tank. Just look at how a bard solo's in the 40+ range to see how true
>> this is. Do you tank a blue or higher monster to kill it? of course not.
>> You use charm or chains and fear as two possible options.
>
>Of course, even if you are not the tank, songs move you up on the agro list
>*every* time they pulse.
>So, not a tank, just a punching bag. With no way of defending ourselves.
>BTW, I'm only 20th, but i've observed this quite a bit.
>>
>> If you aren't able to effective employ Lullaby, or it seems ineffectual,
>> ask constructively how others use it in this forum. Personally when I
>> solo, if there is any chance I'll fight a caster, Lullaby is memm'd. It
>> may very well be mem'd while I am grouped as well. There is nothing like
>> repeatedly interrupting a jin frogluk shaman attempting to cast heal to
>> make your group immediately value your presence.
>umm...how about :
>mob nods, mob smacks the crap out of you.
>mob nods, mob stuns you.
>start lullaby
>mob nods, mob smacks the crap out of you.
>
>While fighting, solo, either melee or caster, in the Karanas and Lake Rathe
>area, at level 19th, and 20th, I NEVER saw a mob interrupted in the least
by
>this song. How can I ask a constructive question about how I might better
>use it when it does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING except make me superagro to the mob?
>This song is so completely useless at 20th, that I have unmemmed it. It
>only get's me killed, does not interrupt either melee or casters. The
song,
>IMO, is COMPLETELY BROKEN now.
>
>> Pixie chase not useful?
>> i've watched a bard hold a bok ghoul knight in place for 2 minutes while
>> the other 5 in the group fought and killed a second bok and the ghoul
>> lord. Many of our songs at the level we get them are very weak, but
>> unlike most classes, whose spells have damage caps, our songs continue
>> to increase in power without limit. A L50 Bard is truely one of the most
>> formidable and broad-spectrumed options to play.
>
>Wouldn't know - been playing since day two of release, and am still only
>20th level. I guess I'm sorry I didn't try to powerlevel up, so I could
>have actually used some of the songs before they nerfed them to
uselessness.
>Of course, they seem to have fixed others, so maybe I still have something
>to look forward to.
>
>>
>> Ariell Thunderwolf, Karana
>>
>> P.S. The ill-effect on bards produced by levitation was reported as a
>> bug, it will be corrected next patch.
>>
>>
>> <big snip>
>>
>
>MacGrough
>20th Song Bard
>Solusek Ro Wanderers
>
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