Beatdrop - I posted the message detailing the pathing. I also made it quite
clear that I do not condone using the exploitative aspects of that pathing.
If knowledge frightens you, or you feel that you don't have the
self-restraint to keep from misusing your knowledge that's your problem.
Having a gun doesn't mean you have to fire it.
So am I hearing that the GMs on Karana feel that merely standing on the
stairs to allow a mob to come to you (which is standard mob behavior
elsewhere in Norrath) is an exploit? Damn. I would have thought that doing
so was merely a player's way of coping with an obvious pathing bug. Now
jumping off the stairs to freeze the mobs, yes.. that's an exploit. I'll
contact our Guides on Fennin Ro tonight and see what they say.
Crier
> From: <kim@...>
>
> Ewwww. Yuck yuck yuck. A trusted friend and a trusted
> guildmember and friend at odds about what went on. Please
> leave me out of it. I wasn't there when it happened, so don't
> make me take sides. All I can do is reiterate my position
> that I will not exploit bugs like this, except to test them so
> I can send in an accurate bug report.
>
> On Tue, 18 Jan 2000, SteelWolf wrote:
> >
> > Oh, let's be a little more exact in your re-telling please. An OOC
> > comment was made as follows: "I never thought I'd read about a exploit
> > on eqbards and see it being used in-game by a bard on that list". Three
> > members of your group replied they were not using any exploit, but you
> > were, since I am familiar with the exploit, and you WERE using it. How
> > do I know? I made the OOC comment, I was on another character. I never
> > sent you any tell, and never said you would be banned, as that is not in
> > my power to do so. A member of your party commented "exploits are part
> > of the game" to which I replied "and it is a part of the game, that when
> > used, is bannable without warning". This has been stated by Karana's
> > GM-Lead (Mennix) over server broadcast before, you may ask him how he
> > feels about people using the cazic temple pathing exploit to verify this
> > should you feel like it.
> >
> > I wouldn't want you to feel you didn't have a face for your accuser,
> > which is me. I don't know whether you read this list before using the
> > exploit at the Cazic temple or not, it doesn't change the fact your
> > group was using the exploit, and had been doing so for quite awhile
> > before I commented on it. Had you truely been naive to what you were
> > doing, I suspect any ooc comment from your group would have been along
> > the lines of "where?" not "no we aren't!" as was the case with groups in
> > other areas of the dungeon.
> >
> > To paraphrase John Kim, he said, "some people view the pathing bug
> > (exploit) as an annoyance, others as an opportunity. Obviously I will
> > never agree with you on this issue, since I view bugs and exploits
> > abusing them as an annoyance, while you view them as a opportunity.
> >
> > Ariell Thunderwolf, Karana
> >
> > Beatdrop Battledrum wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry about responding so late to this, I just got caught up on the
> > > list. All this weekend I was hunting in Cazic and one night 4 of us
> > > were doing the Temple. There was a group at the top and one on the
> > > outer area so we stayed on the first rung of the temple and were
> > > pulling when we noticed this bug. Mind you, I hadn't read the list
> > > yet, so I didn't hear about this exploit. One pull, we had two
> > > lizards and one started to run when we had it to the sliver, so he was
> > > heading down the last flight of steps where we killed him. The other
> > > group watched us fighting there on the steps for this pull and after
> > > the fight I get a /tell from one of the members suggesting that I
> > > shouldn't use that exploit. WTF? What exploit? He wouldn't tell me
> > > and I slightly forgot about it. Then while our ranger kept trying to
> > > pull and couldn't get the lizzies to follow him, I decided to try a
> > > charm pull, which did make it so I can pull the lizards.
> > >
> > > A few minutes later on OOC, the same guy that had sent me the /tell
> > > and one of his guildmembers, were basically accusing me of exploiting
> > > telling me I was gonna get banned, all because of the fact that I am a
> > > bard and the exploit was posted on this list... which he said later on
> > > in OOC. I tried to explain what I was and wasn't doing but they
> > > wouldn't listen.
> > >
> > > As a side note, I don't feel that this list is appropriate for posting
> > > exploits. I don't want to know about them nor do I want to use them.
> > > Just because it was posted here, a few people were accusing me just
> > > because I was a bard fighting in the area of the exploit. So please,
> > > I don't mind the spoilers, but I am sure other people on the list
> > > including myself don't want to hear about exploits.
> > >
> > > --
> > > ~Beatdrop Battledrum <Platinum Sphere>
> > > Child of Erollisi Marr
> > > Karana Server
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